The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Left's Newest Martyr Is Another Fraud ｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 8⧸17⧸26

00:00:00.000 hey everybody how's it going thanks for joining me this afternoon i've got a great stream with

00:00:13.860 a great guest that i think you're really going to enjoy so this guy jason our day blew up all

00:00:20.040 of a sudden apparently he was like the youngest black professor to ever be at cambridge he was

00:00:25.700 this phenom this rising star he had all these achievements uh even had simon and schuster

00:00:31.000 writing a book about him i think they're actually still going through with that you'll see why that

00:00:35.560 might be awkward here in a second but what was found out by our day or found out about people

00:00:41.260 by our day is that it turned out a lot of his work was plagiarized and if you look back at

00:00:46.060 uh the rest of his life not only was his work plagiarized but it seems like he was

00:00:50.580 just a completely obsessive liar constantly spinning stories about his achievements

00:00:55.840 it's very clear that he was only placed in this situation because of the color of his skin 0.88

00:01:01.000 now after he has apparently ended his life due to the shame of this moment the media is trying to

00:01:08.720 turn him into a victim there are many people out there now saying that he was lynched in public

00:01:14.740 because he was a black man we're going to talk about that today and joining me of course is

00:01:20.220 jay burden thanks for coming on man yeah aaron thanks for having me on i'm looking forward to

00:01:24.520 it of course so obviously we know that academia is a place that is teaming with progressives who

00:01:32.740 desperately want to hit certain quotas uh if you've spent any time in college if you've thought

00:01:38.380 about a career in academia or any way or i mean let's just be honest if you thought about a career

00:01:42.480 at any company in the united states you know that hitting certain diversity goals is is key and if

00:01:49.180 you're a white guy out there you're probably going to be at the bottom of the stack when it comes to

00:01:53.420 resumes even if you have equal ability or even better ability than many people you're competing 1.00

00:01:57.940 against so it's no surprise that in many situations we see the ardor artificial elevation of minorities 0.81

00:02:04.720 in these situations of course we know that harvard was caught like massively rigging uh their uh

00:02:12.160 intake when it comes to applicants. They were weighting the scores of black applicants radically

00:02:17.680 more, basically giving them hundreds and hundreds of free points worth on the SAT comparatively when

00:02:24.520 it came to white or Asian students. So we know admissions are rigged. You can tell from the

00:02:29.200 people who are put in charge. We, of course, had Chris Rufo, known for getting Claudine Gay 0.97

00:02:35.520 canceled at Harvard due to the fact that she was a plagiarist. And so it's not surprising. I bet

00:02:40.960 you that even just in general in academia, plagiarism is anywhere, is everywhere. But it's

00:02:46.180 not surprising that a guy like Jason Arday ends up in the position he's in, right? This is the

00:02:50.920 culture that has been created in the university system. We always elevate the minority. We always

00:02:57.140 elevate those who check off these DEI requirements, no matter what their accomplishments. But what we

00:03:05.720 haven't really seen is the consequences of that on the individuals themselves we've seen the

00:03:11.240 consequences from a you know lack of capable people in these positions but normally a lot

00:03:16.760 of these people just kind of walk away they bounce back they go somewhere else apparently

00:03:21.040 our day was so shaken by this i mean we still don't know for sure he's just been found dead

00:03:25.900 but the assumption seems to be that this was a case of uh suicide and so ultimately uh we're

00:03:32.640 seeing a scenario where this guy raised a lot of attention by the way he went out over this and a

00:03:39.000 lot of people are trying to turn him into the victim at every point i guess we shouldn't be

00:03:44.000 shocked by this but the man was caught completely manufacturing this stuff and not only did he

00:03:49.620 manufacture this he went after people and tried to get them fired or thrown in jail for noticing

00:03:54.980 his lies like he has a history of trying to get litigious about accusations of his dishonesty so

00:04:01.960 So I guess, are you surprised that this is the tack that these people ultimately took?

00:04:07.740 No, of course not.

00:04:10.260 We're all aware of the fact that there is no objective sense of standards coming from the regime.

00:04:18.180 There are different rules for different people.

00:04:20.660 For instance, we've been talking quite a bit about this idea of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.

00:04:25.520 You need to be personally accountable.

00:04:28.280 And, well, that is the message towards you and I are.

00:04:31.200 That's what we are told to do. But if you are a patron of the regime, seemingly you never have

00:04:37.400 to take responsibility. You can not only be elevated to an incredibly high position if you

00:04:43.040 flatter progressive sensibilities, but even when you are found out for lying and you take your own

00:04:49.800 life, which let's be clear, you should not do, but it again is blamed on the other, the external

00:04:58.920 records, white supremacy, this sort of dark matter that seems to explain all unexplainable

00:05:05.960 political realities, the thing that has to be there to balance the equation from the progressive

00:05:12.180 point of view. So even then, in a situation where he presumably has died by his own hand,

00:05:17.180 that still cannot be his fault. People like Jason Arday occupy a completely different political

00:05:24.660 social reality than you or I do. If we were caught lying, of course we would lose our jobs. We would

00:05:30.720 be expunged. That's even assuming we could get a job at Cambridge, which is a secondary point.

00:05:36.860 But we see that even in death, he has been turned into a sainted figure. And I think it bears

00:05:45.240 repeating that the fact that he was hired in the first place reflects very, very poorly upon this

00:05:50.460 institution. Because I'll be honest, I don't follow British academic scandals particularly

00:05:57.040 closely. This wasn't on my radar until fairly recently. But when I was doing research on

00:06:02.960 what this guy had claimed to do, these aren't the sort of little lies, a little exaggeration

00:06:09.200 to make a story more interesting. Each one of these is something that would be exceptional

00:06:15.040 in its own right and exceptional bordering on impossible. One, of course, you have his

00:06:22.400 idea that he did not know how to read until he was 11 or 12. He was, or sorry, he was nonverbal

00:06:29.160 until he was 11 or 12. He couldn't read until he was 18. You're like, I mean, I guess there

00:06:33.980 are people like that. Very few of them become Cambridge professors, but I guess it's at least

00:06:39.160 mathematically possible, right? It could have happened. But when you compile the idea that

00:06:44.000 he's supposed to have run 600 miles in 10 days, that he's supposed to have worked at colleges

00:06:50.280 that you could very easily check to see if he's worked at, claiming to have written a

00:06:54.900 book that never came out, to have worked in Africa, all of these things that are easily

00:07:00.640 verifiable, like this wouldn't fly if you were trying to get a job at Walmart, let alone

00:07:06.320 allegedly the most prestigious academic institution in the nation, if not the world.

00:07:10.900 yeah so this is an incredible list you brought up you brought up some of the things that he's

00:07:17.600 lied about uh but i just wanted to bring up this you know someone had compiled all of the things

00:07:22.400 he said because it is you know when people say oh well he lied a little bit on his resume oh well

00:07:27.400 everybody lies on their resume or okay well we get he was woke and so they they elevated him

00:07:32.420 uh and he probably did some of the plagiarism thing but ultimately you know how bad could it

00:07:37.120 be no i want people to grasp like the totality of how pathological this guy is so as you say

00:07:43.760 he claimed he was diagnosed as with autism as a child that he was not able to speak until 11

00:07:51.680 that he didn't learn to read until he was 18 but he still managed to acquire multiple degrees he

00:07:59.580 claimed to have had a career as apparently a a pro snooker player which is like a very very

00:08:07.360 random thing to lie about he lied about being on uh on uh tv shows that he could not have been on

00:08:15.460 because he was not old enough to exist when they were on television uh he lied about running 30

00:08:22.720 marathons in 35 days the last nine being on a broken leg right like

00:08:30.900 as you say if that if that was true by itself just that story all by itself you could make an

00:08:39.160 entire movie about the incredible heroic effort done here uh you know and of course as you say

00:08:45.820 you know he claimed about writing books that never came out he claimed to have attended schools and

00:08:51.880 acquired master's degrees from them when there was no record of him even being there this guy 0.90

00:08:56.740 is a complete pathological liar like he is not just some guy who fudged a little bit to get into 0.97

00:09:04.360 Cambridge and got the benefits of the DEI regime this is a man who lied every time his mouth was 1.00

00:09:10.540 open and there's no way that the people at Cambridge did not know this man was a liar

00:09:17.600 like there's no way you hear all of these stories like we all have this friend right jay you've got

00:09:23.380 to have this friend where you know he comes in and every time you meet him he's got a new

00:09:27.540 wild story about the most ridiculous thing he's ever done he's claimed to achieve all these things 0.98

00:09:32.520 you know we all know this guy and everyone in the group knows that person is a liar they they 0.94

00:09:38.740 acknowledge who they are and those lies are almost never as grandiose as the ones being told by

00:09:45.220 jason here and so you have this scenario where everyone had to have been in on the fact that

00:09:51.780 this guy was a complete fraud i mean his academic work was in sociology and guess what you'll never

00:09:58.640 guess the area of study he focused on racism and he went around and interviewed people about 0.74

00:10:04.120 experiencing racism and then gave commentary on it that was his academic work so this guy was in

00:10:09.980 a nonsense discipline literally owned he had a degree in race communism and worked teaching

00:10:15.840 race communism and uh you know was was just pathologically lying about it so everybody is

00:10:21.760 in on this again simon and schuster prepared to write a book about this man's life taking these

00:10:27.960 claims at face value obviously like we are talking about a problem that is just built in the system

00:10:36.720 top to bottom i mean this is emperor's new clothes level of stuff right like he is naked completely

00:10:43.120 but because he is a black man everyone is required to pretend he is actually wearing

00:10:48.600 fine clothes and no one is allowed to step out now the guy who ultimately revealed his uh you know

00:10:56.900 his plagiarism was a guy named nathan kofnes uh now that's significant for a few reasons one uh

00:11:04.140 Nathan Kofnes is an academic who is famous for his enthusiastic embrace of race realism,

00:11:10.660 the idea that races are different genetically and have different talents and intelligences.

00:11:15.980 And so that gives people the stick to say, well, this is this is racism because the guy

00:11:22.040 who uncovered the the, you know, the level of fraud here, that guy is himself racist.

00:11:28.880 And so therefore, everything is tainted by this tree and we can put all this together

00:11:33.500 There's some kind of grand conspiracy against our day.

00:11:36.920 The other reason I just bring that up is because ultimately, I don't like Nathan Coughness.

00:11:42.020 He's been really, really crappy to friends of mine, mutual friends of ours like Dave Green.

00:11:46.460 I don't think he's a good person. 0.53

00:11:48.360 I think he's actually quite petty and not good at all, clearly willing to attack and lie about people.

00:11:55.700 But ultimately, this is not Nathan Coughness' fault.

00:11:59.020 He's not responsible for what happened here.

00:12:01.340 in this case at least he did nothing wrong and whatever you feel about his views or his personal

00:12:07.240 uh you know conduct the plagiarism was real real enough for cambridge to take it to take it finally

00:12:13.480 seriously after it being outed but ultimately they're going to try to they're trying to use

00:12:18.780 that you know reference point coughness as uh kind of the the key issue because if we actually

00:12:25.220 take a look at academia especially the promotion of minorities in academia you're going to quickly

00:12:31.320 find that all of these people are propped up for the most part that if you know because we know

00:12:36.400 that the admissions have been artificial and the elevation of these people is artificial and so if

00:12:41.340 Jason Arday is found to be illegitimate as a scholar well this doesn't just indict Cambridge

00:12:47.860 or you know the people who are in charge of his ascension or even the people who participate in

00:12:53.460 it it indicts the entire system because the entire system is arrayed to produce exactly this outcome

00:12:59.960 And if it turns out to be fake beginning to end, and this is endemic throughout the system, well, you have a real problem on your hands.

00:13:09.080 Well, definitely. And look, we understand this, that the regime has an ability to hollow out an institution, to make it into a skin suit, as someone once said. 0.83

00:13:21.220 And it's so clear this is what's happened to higher levels of education, really to all education.

00:13:26.860 This is no longer a system for producing and educating the best and brightest.

00:13:35.600 It is a patronage network.

00:13:37.820 Certainly, this guy received more accolades for, shall we say, somewhat mediocre scholarship

00:13:43.160 than many other competent, capable people.

00:13:47.520 You get a lot of money from a book deal for Simon & Schuster.

00:13:50.960 It's a lucrative thing, let alone, of course, the social prestige of being this sort of

00:13:55.940 cultural figure. We understand there are any number of these sort of court academics who get

00:14:01.380 to run around and charge lots of money for speaking engagements. It is a patronage network.

00:14:07.140 It is not really an institute of higher education. Sure, you can go, and if you match up to certain

00:14:13.160 criteria, some of which are academic, many of which are not, you will get a gold star.

00:14:18.800 But is that why that institution was created, to hand out gold stars? I mean, kind of,

00:14:24.060 from a certain perspective, always, you know, having a degree from Cambridge, at least previously,

00:14:28.800 was something that had a certain amount of social status attributed to it. But functionally, it was

00:14:34.620 to, well, educate people, people who would be doing important things. And the liberal mind has

00:14:42.180 this sort of completely backwards understanding of institutions and also of place. And we will

00:14:48.620 oftentimes point out the fallacy of the magic dirt, the idea that you can take someone from

00:14:54.240 anywhere, stick them on American soil, and they become just as American as apple pie.

00:14:59.660 We are running the exact same experiment with the same results in education. The idea that if

00:15:05.920 someone walks through the doors, if they're handed the paper, the magic paper, they will become

00:15:10.980 exactly the same sort of person as the graduating class of Cambridge from 1926 or 1916,

00:15:20.040 let's be honest, 1616, right? That you can magically transform the sort of person produced

00:15:27.800 by an institution. And that has been an abject, complete, and total failure because they're no

00:15:33.300 longer searching for greatness, searching for exceptional individuals. They're using it to,

00:15:40.280 well, launder their feelings through education. It sure would be nice if we had more people like

00:15:48.040 this in prestigious positions. Well, I know what we'll do. We will simply give them prestige,

00:15:54.540 regardless of if they deserve it or not. And well, sure, Jason Arday is perhaps the most

00:15:59.100 egregious recent example. There are many more like him, many more that weren't quite as blatant

00:16:05.520 with their lives. And sure, we can talk about how that's unfair, how that's immoral, and it

00:16:10.720 certainly is. But also, we have to understand that things like higher education ideally serve

00:16:16.240 a purpose in a society. They are there for a reason, to cultivate an elite. And if your elite

00:16:22.180 is, well, no longer elite, they're basically confidence men. They're hucksters. They're the

00:16:27.720 kind of guys who, in a more just society, would be trying to sell you fake Rolexes instead of,

00:16:33.160 oh i don't know being professors with book deals from simon and schuster it shows that there's

00:16:37.840 something deeply wrong that institution no longer performs its required service

00:16:43.660 yeah i think that is an incredibly important point uh as we have said many times on this channel

00:16:52.400 uh the idea of the political formula is really important to understanding power and regime

00:16:59.280 gitano mosca said that all regimes need a political formula that's not just a noble lie

00:17:06.160 but something that everyone buys into the rulers and the rule that explains why the people who are

00:17:12.120 in charge are in charge and if you don't have that then you can use brute force for a while

00:17:17.960 but your power is going to become brittle and eventually it's going to break down

00:17:20.700 now in the west largely but especially in the united states our political formula has been

00:17:26.580 liberal meritocracy uh we used to have situations where people are in charge because of how they

00:17:33.480 were born you know they had the right bloodline or they were uh worthy aristocrats owned property

00:17:39.080 something you know there's some contingency on which uh you know that they have inherited

00:17:44.680 their power uh but we wanted to say that we broke away from that that our our civilization is

00:17:50.320 different. And that instead of birth or wealth or some other happy accident ultimately gifting

00:17:57.860 the hierarchy power, instead, everyone in the hierarchy has earned that power through

00:18:04.420 meritocracy. And the thing that conveys that legitimacy, how do we know a meritocratic guy

00:18:10.600 from some prole who shouldn't be ruling because he's doing plumbing or HVAC repair? Oh, well,

00:18:16.520 because they went through college. College makes you elite. Once you have a college degree,

00:18:21.520 especially the right type of college degree, you have transcended into a different class,

00:18:26.180 which makes you more eligible to rule. You have a right to rule, especially if you gain certain

00:18:33.600 status inside those circles. And so it's your professionalism to be competent, to compete at

00:18:41.880 the highest levels to be selected for this is what legitimizes the rule of our elites well

00:18:48.440 if you decide that actually our elites don't look right you know our elites are kind of male and

00:18:55.440 kind of pale and uh they have this nasty habit of all kind of coming from the same areas and the

00:19:01.700 same uh stock and uh you know having the same beliefs well then you need to you need to do 1.00

00:19:06.920 things to artificially mix that up as you're saying here and so you change those requirements

00:19:13.060 not that they were ever 100 objective but now you have to lean harder on the scale and of course the

00:19:19.400 more people demand representation and of course more and more people do because you keep importing 0.97

00:19:23.720 more and more foreigners the more representation that is demanded the heavier you have to lean on 0.98

00:19:29.620 the scale until eventually you are basically entirely weighting the scales in favor of people 0.99

00:19:36.360 who in no way shape or form actually competed in a meritocratic system and instead are crafting the

00:19:41.820 elite in basically what is a hereditary manner you're you're going through and selecting people

00:19:47.420 because of the color of their skin because those type of people deserve to be elevated into the

00:19:52.060 elite and to help to hold power and so you're entirely undermining not just your mission of

00:19:58.980 educating people yeah that's long in the dust right but what you're really undermining is your

00:20:03.580 entire political formula you're revealing the lie that the competent people are in charge the

00:20:10.040 adults are in the room but the people at the top of the hierarchy are there because they earned it

00:20:14.780 they were selected for their merit that is clearly not the case and it's getting to the point where

00:20:21.080 basically no one believes this at this point you went through obviously all the DEI campus stuff

00:20:27.640 everybody saw the great awokening and what happened there but then of course we also saw

00:20:32.500 what happened during the covid and the lockdowns and at that point it became clear that all of

00:20:38.000 these professionals you know whether they're in some frivolous thing like uh you know sociology

00:20:43.660 or if they are in hard sciences like medicine they will still lie to you to protect the system

00:20:50.380 they will still manipulate everything shamelessly they have no fealty to truth they have no

00:20:55.520 fealty to their uh you know their area of study or their expertise uh their expertise is

00:21:01.040 functionally useless because when the question of should i choose what is true due to my expertise

00:21:06.540 or should i choose what is politically popular because of the system elevated me almost all of

00:21:11.640 them will choose the latter and when you know that the institution is not producing people of quality

00:21:17.700 and the people that it is producing are willing to throw all of their expertise and findings away

00:21:22.800 you've basically blown up the entire substructure of your power base like there's nothing left

00:21:30.180 to rest that power upon. And so when you've kind of manufactured the situation, I mean,

00:21:36.400 the universities still matter because they convey, you know, they credential people and that conveys

00:21:44.000 a level of status at this point still. But no one is fooling themselves into thinking that

00:21:49.060 these institutions really carry any significant academic weight anymore. And so, I mean,

00:21:54.780 will this hurt universities yes at some level but the real thing is everyone is just kind of

00:22:00.700 watching the shambling corpse of academia continue forward because nobody knows what else to do in

00:22:06.400 order to credential people and you know reorder the hierarchy to like repair our political formula

00:22:13.000 like this this is a fatal wound to our political formula and there seems to be little to no effort

00:22:18.260 to actually heal it it seems like we're just going to keep going until the wheels fall off

00:22:22.640 well and one i do think it's funny that they have effectively re-engineered a hereditary monarchy

00:22:31.660 or hereditary aristocracy from first principles now i would say your great grandpa was pretty

00:22:38.340 good at riding a horse and killing people with a sword is slightly better maybe not ideal of a

00:22:43.900 basis for picking your elites than you know an arbitrary concentration of melanin but you know 0.88

00:22:49.620 I get it. I'm a little bit out there as far as politics goes. But also, this core problem that

00:22:55.840 the political formula is falling apart, that it has been mortally wounded, is why you and I spend

00:23:02.900 so much time arguing with a certain stripe of conservative, a certain stripe of conservative

00:23:10.720 who loves these institutions, and rightfully so. At one time, they were great, but cannot recognize

00:23:18.760 the political reality has shifted, that you simply cannot act as if these institutions,

00:23:26.220 these features of whether politics or culture are still healthy because they are not.

00:23:31.520 And they want to pretend as if they are, pretend as if we can still rely on market forces to

00:23:37.040 correct this. And I understand the appeal, right? I too have an attachment to these pieces of

00:23:44.220 American culture, these pieces of American society. But at a certain point, the project is

00:23:49.800 recognizing what is, looking at it dispassionately and saying, well, this problem must be fixed.

00:23:57.540 How can it be fixed? Instead of sort of wish casting, projecting what you wish were the case

00:24:04.060 onto a seemingly fatally wounded system and by extension political formula.

00:24:12.100 well i want to take a look at the reaction because as we mentioned uh the effort has

00:24:18.940 been launched to turn this guy into a martyr to turn him into a victim uh you can imagine the 0.91

00:24:24.460 you know the media is ridiculous on this but i want to show you the most ridiculous of all which 0.85

00:24:29.180 you could probably expect is going to be ibram x kindy share this real quick 0.95

00:24:35.560 so kendy uh is obviously himself just a race a race communist right like that's that's his only

00:24:44.800 his only function uh nobody takes him serious as seriously as an academic uh he exists to write 0.68

00:24:51.780 books about why white people are bad and everybody else is good and while you should be punished for

00:24:57.940 the color of your skin and so unsurprisingly we have uh his posts here on twitter and he says

00:25:03.580 the death of jason arday hit so close to home and i had no words yesterday but i both woke up with

00:25:09.540 words yes stunning and brave uh to be a prominent anti-racist black scholar is to know that you're

00:25:17.280 a target almost totally surrounded by resentments you know that at any point the attacks can come

00:25:24.220 like lynch mob and if you die from the attacks the media still calls the attacks on you

00:25:29.960 accusations to wash their hands of your blood your lynchers announced your death as if they

00:25:36.140 had no role in your lynching my latest in the emancipator only with time to delve deep into

00:25:43.360 what i'm sure is a enlightening uh read there so a couple amazing things about this statement

00:25:50.100 first uh the idea that a black race academic is the most targeted person on a college campus

00:25:59.020 might be the most provably 0.88

00:26:01.720 insane thing that anyone has ever

00:26:03.760 said out loud. Obviously

00:26:05.860 these are people who have special

00:26:07.740 plot armor. They are only in

00:26:09.700 their positions because of

00:26:11.820 their race. They were elevated specifically

00:26:13.720 because that's a desirable trait

00:26:15.600 the university wants to have.

00:26:18.040 So they automatically have

00:26:19.680 advantages at every level.

00:26:21.720 The university wants to hire them. They do not

00:26:23.720 want to fire them. They want to ignore all

00:26:25.640 complaints about them as we learned that

00:26:27.760 jason already had multiple complaints against him and they the people who did so were threatened

00:26:32.220 uh because they brought legitimate concerns against the guy but on top of this uh we literally

00:26:39.900 just saw carly charlie kirk assassinated on a university campus that's what being a target

00:26:45.800 actually looks like that's what being lynched in public on a campus for your politics actually

00:26:52.660 looks like we also can come up with a thousand examples from peak woke like charles murray

00:26:57.980 being chased off by a crowd of you know savage uh college students uh you know people in his

00:27:03.800 entourage getting uh wounded by these people hurt by these people uh the fact that there's a violent

00:27:09.940 response to a guy who has a book of statistics uh is is insane but this is a common occurrence

00:27:16.040 on the left so trying to play the big victim in this moment is obviously wild on top of this

00:27:22.500 the use of lynching is hilarious uh this guy again we don't know for sure but very likely

00:27:29.720 ended his own life um i will not make any jokes as to how that might have happened uh that said

00:27:36.060 uh ultimately you have a scenario where you're trying to turn a self-inflicted wound into

00:27:43.440 something that is going to ruin the lives of everybody else who pointed out he shouldn't be

00:27:48.260 there that ultimately at some level uh it is the people who noticed the lie noticed the grip

00:27:54.800 noticed that this guy was taking advantage of a system that was built for him and to hurt everyone

00:28:01.700 else around him those people are the problem and so what you know he wants to make clear here is

00:28:07.420 if you notice that a a minority is abusing the system abusing a privilege is ultimately doing

00:28:16.160 poor work or stealing other people's work well then you you are someone who is the same as a

00:28:21.960 racist who lynched someone back in i don't know 1870 or something the implication here is simply

00:28:27.780 noticing the bias in the system and calling out bad behavior is itself a act of deadly physical

00:28:34.600 violence well of course i don't know if you're aware or on but uh robin williams he was lynched

00:28:42.820 Kurt Cobain was lynched, Cleopatra, Anne Hero, any number of people apparently I thought just

00:28:49.080 killed themselves, they were actually lynched. And look, this is deliberately emotive language.

00:28:54.360 He knows exactly what he's doing here, right? He is taking something that many people have

00:28:58.520 a visceral reaction to and, well, using that to cover up something that is personally embarrassing

00:29:03.920 to him. I don't pretend to have a lot of knowledge of Mr. Kinsey's academic work,

00:29:10.740 but certainly right he has been accused of not having the highest standards but also it is

00:29:17.020 embarrassing to his narrative that someone like him right running sort of the same grift got exposed

00:29:24.000 as a massive fraud and well took the coward's way out and that's a very uncomfortable situation to

00:29:29.760 be in that oh wait hey this guy who was basically saying all the same same things that i did turned

00:29:35.260 out to be a massive fraud and had no reason to be in his position well that could be uncomfortable

00:29:40.480 or actually, wait, no, I can blame everyone else.

00:29:43.260 It's actually, it's not me.

00:29:44.840 It's not what I think.

00:29:45.820 It's not any position I have ever taken

00:29:48.320 that has led to this result.

00:29:49.780 Some might say inevitably, it's actually you.

00:29:52.620 It's your fault.

00:29:54.220 You noticed. 0.99

00:29:55.420 And by noticing, you killed him. 0.96

00:29:58.400 Well, obviously that's laughable. 0.55

00:30:00.420 I mean, sure, some progressives did make the argument

00:30:03.040 that you shouldn't call the cops on someone

00:30:05.180 breaking into your house or stealing your car

00:30:07.320 because if they're harmed, that's your responsibility.

00:30:09.880 but well most normal people don't think that way they're like no obviously it was his fault

00:30:17.960 on two levels both that he got himself into a situation where he became a public laughingstock

00:30:23.700 and also in all likelihood to be fair we don't have a coroner's report but if he did check out

00:30:31.420 himself, quite literally, that's on him. The sui in suicide means you do it yourself.

00:30:39.700 Not that, again, a bunch of people killed you. There's a different term for that.

00:30:45.680 Lynching certainly is one, murder is another. These are different concepts.

00:30:49.460 And obviously, this isn't an argument. This isn't a syllogism. This isn't set out with perfect

00:30:54.720 logical consistency, it's an emotional attack. It's designed to push away the focus from an

00:31:02.340 uncomfortable reality to an arena that people like Kendi are more than capable of operating in,

00:31:08.340 which is basically being a huckster, right? Using someone's good nature, someone's natural aversion

00:31:15.900 to vigilante killings, horrific photos of people who've been killed, and using that to, ironically

00:31:22.820 enough, whitewash what would be a very clear case of, well, fraud, of lying. And again,

00:31:32.080 in a just society, this guy would be exactly that, a confidence man, a huckster, right?

00:31:39.020 You can imagine him selling fake deeds 200 years ago or whatever. But the fact that he has not only

00:31:46.620 been pushed to such a high level, but is being defended again by the same class of people,

00:31:52.820 Elites like Kendi, who have access to institutions, who have access to honors that you or I don't, and let's be honest, probably couldn't, even if we were saying the exact same things that he were, for fairly obvious reasons. 0.85

00:32:06.180 And so look, you and I are examining this statement, not simply to point out that it's not well thought out, that it's stupid, that it doesn't make sense, but to expose a tactic.

00:32:16.800 This one is particularly easy to identify because it's such a ridiculous situation, but this exact same tactic of deliberately using hyper emotive language, of deliberately using something that causes most people to recoil, to associate with very bad things, to cover up something that's, well, much less clear cut. 0.86

00:32:39.480 that isn't what you've seen in hollywood it's actually just a guy being embarrassed for

00:32:45.220 something that he did wrong very publicly wrong you know the amazing thing is that at some point 0.86

00:32:54.320 he probably could have just landed on his feet you know claudine gay is not you know eating tuna

00:32:59.100 fish sandwiches uh you know home alone i believe she's still employed in academia today uh so

00:33:05.860 really the fact that he went to this radical step uh is kind of its own uh story maybe he knew that

00:33:13.440 things were worse for him maybe he knew his lies went deeper or maybe the shame was just too much

00:33:18.620 but remember that even if he had actually paid a a professional and social price for this it

00:33:26.300 probably would not have been permanent it probably wouldn't even been that prominent and he probably

00:33:29.860 would have landed back on his feet working in academia somewhere else just a year or two later

00:33:34.580 uh so that that is an indictment of the system itself and i don't want to beat this to death

00:33:40.920 because i think we've pretty much covered this as thoroughly as possible there's only you know

00:33:44.640 you can't do a whole hour of what a hypocrite these people are but ultimately uh well i guess 0.71

00:33:49.580 you can there are plenty of i was about to say aaron you can make yourself very rich doing 0.73

00:33:54.720 exactly that very true uh but but i guess i'll just tie this up in a bow saying that ultimately

00:34:00.020 uh the reason that uh kindy is freaking out the reason that academia is scrambling the reason the

00:34:06.000 media is trying to cover this is it true there this truly is an indictment of the entire institution

00:34:10.860 to the core there is no world in which uh jason uh um i've got his last name our day our day thank

00:34:20.380 you i was trying to say aldi and that's not right that's a grocery store uh but uh there's no way

00:34:25.200 that he is some singular figure okay there's it's not like oh well you randomly search and find uh

00:34:32.800 you know plagiarism and then you search our day and you find plagiarism there's you could probably

00:34:37.320 unravel the entire academic establishment and certainly probably most of the diversity hires

00:34:42.700 with this tool and they are desperately trying to cover and and trying to shame anyone who might

00:34:49.640 try to look into any of this because if it continues this really could like completely

00:34:54.060 unspool the idea of academia it strikes at the very core of their beliefs the core structure

00:35:00.040 again of their twisted version of our political formula and if they don't scare everyone away

00:35:05.400 from asking more questions about what's going on here well there's no way they can actually defend

00:35:10.380 the structure of what they have uh that said uh the other thing i wanted to discuss today

00:35:15.380 was jeremy boring uh jeremy boring has been on a tear of the last few weeks apparently uh you

00:35:23.560 he started his own podcast and at first you know whatever but it seems like the podcast has

00:35:28.300 basically just become a platform for bringing every kind of classical lib uh lol cow that he

00:35:35.180 can onto the platform to tell us all about the dangers of the woke right and the evils of power

00:35:40.400 and how young people are all nazis and you know we we've gone through all this stuff a million

00:35:45.280 times you guys are very familiar with this line of reasoning from james lindsey or joel barry or 0.74

00:35:50.700 all of these clowns that just really want to make sure that the right loses forever and that you know

00:35:56.340 that is your goal your noble goal as a conservative is to hand your country over to third world 0.99

00:36:01.960 barbarians and like you know twisted demented leftists like that that's the only honorable 0.88

00:36:07.280 thing that you can do we've all heard this rhetoric before now i also don't want to belabor this too 0.89

00:36:12.600 long because i didn't do a full episode i could you could have done a full episode on this but

00:36:16.620 the funny thing is i already did uh so um jeremy boring talked about uh carl schmidt because of

00:36:24.080 course carl schmidt while really being one of many many figures that we have talked about

00:36:29.900 intellectually when it comes to the new right uh he has the advantage of being a nazi at some point

00:36:35.440 in his life and so therefore uh there is a a feeling that you can use carl schmidt as if he

00:36:42.240 is the foundation of everything the new right

00:36:44.300 has ever talked about which he obviously is

00:36:46.260 not in any way shape or form but because

00:36:48.360 he has been referenced by people like

00:36:50.160 myself in my book ultimately you

00:36:52.180 can use his association with

00:36:54.160 the third right to smear and destroy

00:36:56.460 any effort to like I don't know

00:36:58.240 have an actual political movement

00:37:00.100 have a real American identity

00:37:01.760 secure power and win things and make life

00:37:04.180 better for Americans Carl Schmidt is

00:37:06.120 the key to stopping this and so

00:37:08.060 Jeremy Boring

00:37:08.840 talked about the friend enemy distinction

00:37:11.840 now as i said i have already uh i've already done a full episode i've done multiple episodes on the

00:37:18.040 friend enemy distinction specifically but i did a full episode with um a philosopher with michael

00:37:25.320 millerman discussing specifically how people misunderstand the friend enemy distinction

00:37:30.740 so if we do here is too short for you there is an entire hour-long podcast explaining in detail

00:37:37.480 why jeremy boring is wrong but i want to take just this two minute clip that he had that he put out

00:37:43.100 himself this is you'll see it's his edited reel he thought this was a clever thing to say out loud

00:37:47.620 uh and it would prove that all these people are evil and they shouldn't be able to speak in public 0.53

00:37:52.580 because uh you know mid-century germans were bad bring this up real quick 0.65

00:37:59.000 there's mr boring let's hear him out there's a political thinker who's become fashionable in

00:38:07.380 certain corners in recent years his name is carl schmidt a german jurist whose 1932 book

00:38:12.640 the concept of the political has become the basis for a new pattern of post-liberal right-wing

00:38:17.740 thought so first and foremost uh his book has become central it's the it's the inspiration for

00:38:25.500 a pattern of thought um first no like again carl schmidt is one guy uh who i who to be fair had a

00:38:35.360 lot of brilliant observations his work matters that's why it's been by the way taught uh by

00:38:40.620 progressives in you know uh legal theory for for decades and decades and decades uh this guy is not

00:38:47.320 just some obscure academic uh you know who was in the third reich that uh that the new right picked

00:38:53.260 up and dusted off this is a respected scholar uh you know yes like he had bad associations so did

00:39:00.020 heidegger but guess what there's still entire philosophy courses dedicated to him so did plato

00:39:04.920 tyrant of syracuse over there by the way we still teach plato uh aristotle you know tutored alexander

00:39:10.960 the great who killed millions of people still still considered a very important you know

00:39:16.240 philosopher so it turns out we are actually allowed to study people who may have not always

00:39:21.040 had the best friends while they were alive that said uh the uh idea that carl schmidt is like the

00:39:27.300 foundation of a post-liberal order uh is just absolutely ludicrous again he is one of many

00:39:34.960 many thinkers who have been referenced he's not even referenced that often uh but he is the most

00:39:39.740 dangerous one he's the one that could be most easily uh used in propaganda against the new

00:39:45.620 right and so that's why jeremy picks him out here even though he has no idea what carl schmidt has

00:39:50.360 really ever said well and i mean to that point while we're even just constraining ourselves to

00:39:56.720 the idea of legal theory. The idea that you and I are personally responsible for the political

00:40:03.600 associations of Machiavelli or Demestra, that we should be forced to denounce the Gelfs because

00:40:10.460 Machiavelli is from Florentine, which was on one side of that issue from hundreds of years ago.

00:40:17.640 It's absurd. Again, much like Kendi, this is masquerading as an argument, but functionally,

00:40:24.560 it's an underhanded rhetorical tactic, which is you are in some way associated with this thing

00:40:30.240 that I don't like, so you are exactly the same. And this is a common strategy among these,

00:40:37.440 what would you even call them? Liberal conservatives, IDW types, whatever. You know,

00:40:43.000 the sort of people kind of congregating around figures like, well, Barry, Lindsay, Boring,

00:40:48.840 etc. That circle, whatever you want to call them, is that they assume or at least they act as if a

00:40:55.460 bibliography and a genealogy are the same thing. That if you read or reference someone, you are

00:41:01.940 ultimately descended or derived from them in the same way that you are from your family.

00:41:06.960 There's a continuity there. I, for example, will reference Foucault all the time on issues of legal

00:41:13.040 theory. Now, Aron, I am not a French pedophile. I don't really have a lot in common with people

00:41:20.800 who like Foucault, but well, if you are interested in this subject, you have to be familiar with

00:41:28.340 what other people have said. You have to be a part of the conversation. This is actually a

00:41:34.520 very fundamental part of capital L liberal thought. If you've ever seen the famous painting

00:41:41.320 in the Vatican, the school of Athens with all of the different philosophers, what are they doing?

00:41:46.700 They're talking. It is a great conversation. Ideas are bouncing off each other. And you cannot

00:41:52.960 simply put blinders on and say, well, I don't want to talk about that. So I just will pretend

00:41:59.240 like it doesn't exist. And if you have touched it, even if you reject it, or even if you take

00:42:05.480 some things and leave others, I don't know the sort of things adults do when they encounter ideas,

00:42:10.360 you are tainted. You have become irrevocably ruined by your association with a guy who lived

00:42:17.580 in Germany in the 1930s. And this is particularly absurd when you look at figures like, I don't know,

00:42:23.800 Ernst Younger, a man who is incredibly popular in philosophy departments, who is sort of a

00:42:29.520 sensation of the 1960s for a number of different reasons, a very diverse thinker. But guess what

00:42:36.240 army he served in. The same one, because he was German. Again, the idea that simply by being

00:42:45.320 vaguely associated with a guy who had certain political affiliations, you are responsible or

00:42:51.600 you are the same thing is absurd. This is not an argument. This is not what anyone actually thinks.

00:42:57.640 It is simply a way to, much like Kendi, distract from a very real issue. In this case, it is not

00:43:05.380 the same issue as Jason Arday. But the issue is that the political formula is broken. It's not

00:43:13.160 working. And so when people are looking for other political formulas, when they're looking for other

00:43:19.020 things that explain the situation that we're in, people look to Schmidt and they say, oh,

00:43:24.740 that theory of power makes more sense than the ones we're taught in public school.

00:43:30.120 I wonder if that could be scaled. I wonder if we can use that idea.

00:43:33.620 And the conservative comes in to say, no, no, no. If you do that, you're literally Hitler.

00:43:39.520 It's not helpful. It's not really an argument. Well, and I'm almost exhausted making this point,

00:43:47.160 but nevertheless, I will persist. These people, of course, call guys like you and I the woke right.

00:43:55.260 This idea that we're the mirror image of the woke left. They are literally playing guilt

00:44:01.380 by association games in

00:44:03.180 academic circles

00:44:04.720 to smear and cancel people

00:44:07.480 like that's the goal

00:44:08.740 is to say well there is a guy

00:44:11.280 here who has said this thing

00:44:13.160 and because he was at one point

00:44:15.360 a part of this organization and you referenced

00:44:17.320 his academic work at one point

00:44:18.960 therefore by the transit of property

00:44:21.280 you believe everything that

00:44:23.560 a Austrian painter

00:44:24.960 put into practice in

00:44:27.240 mid-century Germany like that's

00:44:29.200 very obviously what's going on here

00:44:31.380 It is the most woke tactic you can imagine.

00:44:34.660 And the fact that this has been pointed out to them a trillion times and they're still doing it means they know what they're doing.

00:44:41.480 They know they're deploying woke tactics.

00:44:43.620 They know they're using exactly the left's cancellation strategy and guilt by association.

00:44:48.520 Jeremy Boring is perfectly, perfectly aware of what he is doing.

00:44:52.560 He knows that he is using leftist tactics to slander people and get them canceled, but he does not care.

00:44:58.700 Because for Jeremy, the specific political distinction that determines all actions

00:45:05.360 is that of friend and enemy.

00:45:09.980 Schmidt argued for what he called the autonomy of the political.

00:45:14.260 Politics is severed from the moral order and put in its own category,

00:45:17.960 answerable to nothing above it.

00:45:20.020 And inside that category sits what Schmidt called the friend-enemy distinction.

00:45:24.080 All of politics reduced to rewarding friends and punishing enemies.

00:45:28.700 okay so again entire video on why this is wrong exists we're not going to be able to do the

00:45:36.680 the full hour here but the nuggets here for for people to make nuggets of this discussion uh first

00:45:44.080 uh the friend enemy distinction does not say you can just do whatever you want to your enemy

00:45:50.400 and give everything you want to your friends in fact these are entirely separate statements

00:45:56.660 I have talked about how politics is about rewarding your friends and punishing your enemies.

00:46:02.380 That part is true.

00:46:04.100 That said, this is not what the friend-enemy distinction says.

00:46:08.080 This is not Carl Schmitt's implication.

00:46:10.260 He did not say that there is no morality in politics or that all morality is completely subservient to politics.

00:46:19.560 That is not what Carl Schmitt said.

00:46:21.780 uh also uh what jeremy boring is doing is taking a set of memes that he has seen online and mixing

00:46:30.940 them together and vomiting them out as some kind of criticism of carl schmidt now to be fair i have

00:46:38.780 made some of those memes uh but as with all memes the memes are half a joke because that's what

00:46:45.840 memes are they're not meant to convey highly sophisticated ideas right they are a quick

00:46:52.360 reaction on twitter in fact i stopped using those memes specifically because i was so tired of

00:46:58.200 people you know misconstruing or mixing this up that i just don't use anymore because i don't

00:47:03.320 think it's helpful even though i think they were good memes and they were funny like ultimately

00:47:06.960 people took these memes i guess very very seriously and tried to pretend like they were

00:47:11.860 conveying the entirety of a complex academic idea. And Jeremy is not responding to the things

00:47:17.740 Carl Schmitt wrote. He does not know what Carl Schmitt said. He has not spent time studying or

00:47:22.620 understanding or analyzing the text. Jeremy Boring is just vomiting back the things that he saw on

00:47:28.860 the internet that he thinks will look like an actual refutation of what's going on.

00:47:34.400 Oh, a hundred percent. And the very frustrating thing about this is that, look, memes are useful,

00:47:43.560 right? It's helpful to convey an idea quickly in a snappy way, but we understand this with

00:47:49.420 any form of philosophy, right? I'm sure in a previous era you saw, you know, libertarian

00:47:55.700 memes and yeah, sure. We can make fun of libertarians for all the appropriate reasons,

00:48:00.220 But there is a big gap between some deep fried image of a snake with glowing laser eyes and actually reading Hoppe. There's a distinction there. And oftentimes in defending this posture, people like Boring and others will say, oh, you're just like the communist who said, oh, have you read Marx? That's the line of attack.

00:48:23.800 Like, oh, are you saying I need to spend hours and years studying this in order to have an opinion?

00:48:30.020 No, but if you are making a specific claim, Schmitt says this, Marx says this, that is not based in fact, asking, are you even sure what you're talking about is reasonable.

00:48:44.180 Like, you can disagree with Schmitt in a way that indicates you have read Schmitt.

00:48:50.180 That's entirely possible.

00:48:51.400 There are areas in which I disagree with Schmidt. You have to at least wrestle with his ideas,

00:48:57.200 but there's nothing that says you must follow him like scripture. But at a certain level,

00:49:01.940 if you're making factually incorrect statements, if you were just mischaracterizing the man on such

00:49:09.040 an egregious level that it seems as if you have really no familiarity with his work, asking,

00:49:14.620 have you read Schmidt, is entirely reasonable. It seems like what almost anyone would say.

00:49:20.260 yeah that's exactly right i don't expect podcast hosts to read all the philosophy okay i get it

00:49:27.960 like that that's kind of what i try to do uh but you know that's why you know i'm doing something

00:49:33.360 slightly different i do not expect your average comedian or podcast host to have gone through and

00:49:39.420 done the academic research that's not the question here if jeremy boring just said i don't think

00:49:44.000 carl schmidt's right about this and moved on that would be fine just like if he said i think carl

00:49:48.760 marx is wrong about economics that's okay you don't have to read das kapital man i'll give you

00:49:52.560 that one i think the evidence is kind of in on on that being something where you don't have to read

00:49:57.420 that seriously however if you said that the labor theory of value is the theory that if you you know

00:50:05.800 throw cats at a wall at some point eventually you will produce a chevy corvette okay well now

00:50:16.240 you've made a very specific claim about the theory in question and whether or not it works

00:50:22.960 and it probably doesn't but if you're going to make a specific claim on the labor theory value

00:50:27.640 you need to know what it is and so jeremy boring here is not just saying you know what i don't

00:50:32.900 think i like the style of politics that you know uh that that is promoted by carl schmidt and even

00:50:39.520 though i don't know his work that well i think i can surmise that this is like not the best thing

00:50:43.620 that that would be one assertion that would be reasonable instead he is specifically referencing

00:50:49.960 a theory he does not know has not read does not understand and saying that this theory is the

00:50:56.820 basis for everything i don't like about people i want to cancel which means he is using that theory

00:51:02.740 as a reason to remove people from the conservative movement even though he doesn't know the basic

00:51:09.060 words in the actual theory. That's the problem. You don't have to read every guy. You don't have

00:51:14.760 to read the theory. It's okay. But if you're going to specifically state your claim on the idea that

00:51:21.820 the theory here is the reason people should be canceled, you have to at least know what the

00:51:25.900 theory is. That's just a prerequisite. Now, just as it's not wrong to have family loyalties and

00:51:31.940 natural affections for your own people, it's not wrong to recognize friends and enemies in politics.

00:51:36.540 I certainly have enemies, and I spend a considerable amount of time fighting them.

00:51:40.400 That isn't what Schmidt is selling.

00:51:42.240 Schmidt takes the one true thing and makes it the only thing.

00:51:45.660 Rewarding friends and punishing enemies stops being a piece of politics

00:51:48.700 and becomes the entire point of politics, the highest good,

00:51:52.440 the thing every other consideration bows to, which is exactly what it is.

00:51:56.240 So again, this is not the friend-enemy distinction.

00:51:59.100 Like, this is not even close to the friend-enemy distinction.

00:52:02.920 Again, whole video on this, hour long.

00:52:05.360 But to break this down as quickly as possible, Carl Schmitt is not giving you a prescriptive idea here.

00:52:13.720 He's giving you a descriptive idea.

00:52:15.540 He is noticing the way that politics and political coalitions form, not telling you, here's how you should then behave.

00:52:23.480 However, even in that, his point is that the friend and enemy coalition is existential.

00:52:29.280 that politics is about working ultimately to protect a central identity of a group and the

00:52:37.780 people who get to determine what that identity is are sovereign they are the people who are

00:52:43.040 actually defining the group as such the political realm as such it is not the idea that nothing else

00:52:49.820 matters that there is no morality that there's nothing above this but it is explaining that

00:52:54.420 this is the ultimate delineation in politics and until you recognize this right and this is and to

00:53:01.680 be clear this is just the hobbesian line okay carl schmidt is just in a lot of ways taking things

00:53:06.800 from thomas hobbes you can disagree with thomas hobbes but if you reference thomas hobbes no one's

00:53:11.240 going to lose their mind carl schmidt is not saying anything like radically different from

00:53:16.420 hobbes or demastra here he is simply bringing it into a modern context which is why by the way i

00:53:22.040 I use more Demeister than I've ever used Schmidt.

00:53:24.280 But again, Demeister was not a national socialist.

00:53:27.520 So Jeremy Boring can't use Demeister to attack me or you or Matt Walsh, who for some reason has suddenly been brought into this.

00:53:37.100 And so ultimately, that is the whole motivation.

00:53:41.140 Not that there's anything insightful about what he just kind of blurted out in reference to the friend-enemy distinction.

00:53:47.400 well and the deep irony is that that basic formulation uh is not from schmidt

00:53:55.840 you can find it going back to the socratic dialogues or the it's a pretty old idea in

00:54:03.760 plato yeah yeah like again you can like or dislike schmidt but saying that one he is the unique

00:54:11.200 originator of this formulation and then therefore can be used as a stick to beat everyone who

00:54:16.580 you know mentions it it's clearly not honest this is also setting aside and i realize aaron you and

00:54:23.440 i have an immense capacity to nerd out about political theory and i'm going to consciously

00:54:27.260 resist that they're playing really fast and loose here with what politics is and if we're talking

00:54:33.780 about daily politics the kind of tax rate stuff versus existential politics right the politics

00:54:40.420 that says it's a zero-sum game.

00:54:43.700 If I win, you don't get to live how you want to live.

00:54:46.820 It is a risk to you and your way of life.

00:54:49.540 That is obviously not a distinction

00:54:52.480 that Mr. Boring seems to be getting into

00:54:54.680 in this two-minute clip,

00:54:55.800 but that is important

00:54:56.820 because he is deliberately producing

00:55:00.740 a line of reasoning intended

00:55:05.960 for existential politics

00:55:07.360 and applying it to the least consequential things

00:55:10.340 possible like oh isn't this ridiculous if you you know treated your you know local pta a lot or

00:55:16.900 local pta meetings like you know a battle or meeting with genghis khan like yes of course

00:55:22.500 these are different orders of like this is radically different completely different scale

00:55:27.940 again to make it look ridiculous does the person want next to me want a three percent increase in

00:55:35.300 property taxes is a very different question than does the person next to me want to steal my child 0.96

00:55:40.340 mutilate their genitals and ultimately make sure I never see them again if I disagree with that

00:55:45.580 action right like those are fundamentally different questions and calling them all politics is 0.99

00:55:52.080 basically what Jeremy Boring is doing here and pretending that all of them should be treated

00:55:55.340 exactly the same is the sleight of hand as you point out that he is utilizing how it works in

00:56:00.320 an honor culture where loyalty to the tribe outranks truth outranks justice outranks everything

00:56:05.720 Schmidt didn't invent anything of course all he did was take the oldest and most basic arrangement

00:56:10.180 on earth, laundered it through a German law faculty, and then sold it back to the West as

00:56:14.540 some sort of sophisticated political theory. The friend-enemy distinction is just a permission

00:56:19.020 structure. It's the logic that tells a nation that its enemies are owed nothing. And once a

00:56:23.800 people believes that, well then there's no atrocity that can't be justified. Schmidt himself, it should

00:56:28.340 be noted, was a card-carrying Nazi. And that's the grim world that Candace and Tucker and Hassan 0.72

00:56:33.740 Piker and all the rest of them are driving us toward. They get there by different means, but

00:56:37.720 they all get to the same place see you either believe in objective truth you believe in an

00:56:42.580 impartial system you believe in the primacy of justice over tribe and over wealth and over might

00:56:46.900 or you so uh candace owens notable political philosophy enjoyer uh we can confirm that

00:56:55.200 obviously jeremy boring uh implying that she is only doing what she's doing because

00:57:00.700 she has discovered carl schmidt okay um couple problems here uh so the idea that uh you can just

00:57:11.140 do any that this is permission structure uh funny enough one of the most famous carl schmidt quotes

00:57:17.780 is literally about how saying that he who uses the word humanity cheats because that person is

00:57:24.340 looking for a permission structure to do whatever they want to the people they don't like by

00:57:30.300 declaring someone inhuman or maybe even a nazi you have permission to treat someone however the

00:57:38.140 way because they are a enemy of humanity meaning they are no longer human that was carl schmidt's

00:57:43.660 point who literally made the opposite argument that you need to be very careful about how you

00:57:50.700 utilize language because it could in fact allow you to treat anyone any way you want with no

00:57:57.480 concern for morality or truth, that's actually insane. You're literally saying the exact opposite

00:58:04.080 of what Carl Schmitt said. You are lying. Jeremy Boring is a liar, though I doubt Jeremy Boring

00:58:09.540 knows he's lying because I doubt he has read that passage. I doubt he has read Carl Schmitt.

00:58:14.820 I doubt he has any informed opinion about what Carl Schmitt actually said in his work. That said,

00:58:21.480 also this is just clearly clearly nothing but an attempt to tie everybody into the same

00:58:29.320 gaggle of people he hates everybody who is associated with this i mean jeremy boring

00:58:35.180 doesn't believe candace owens has read carl schmidt he doesn't believe hasan piker or tucker

00:58:39.700 carlson are driven by carl schmidt so why is he tying them in here well you see jeremy boring

00:58:45.760 is creating a friend and enemy distinction he is trying to put everybody who he disagrees with

00:58:52.720 in the untouchable out group and they are nazis and we know what we can do with a nazi you can 0.98

00:58:58.120 punch a nazi charlotte crook was assassinated because he was a nazi so i want to be really 0.91

00:59:03.100 clear here jeremy boring is creating a permission structure where violence can be done to people who 0.84

00:59:09.340 disagree with him politically jeremy boring is doing what he thinks carl schmidt was doing

00:59:14.980 with a friend-enemy distinction. Can we also acknowledge, and I'm not trying to

00:59:21.920 derail this stream, but given the comments, Auron, you and I heard from Jeremy Boring about

00:59:30.520 certain other nations, the irony of saying, can you believe in a tribal system that holds that

00:59:39.360 there's nothing wrong you can possibly do to your enemies and you have no responsibility to your

00:59:44.640 political enemies. Oh, also, we need to support this war halfway across the earth. You're like,

00:59:50.700 all right, dude, come on, man. Like, come on. I understand there are certain people who object to

00:59:57.900 the moral framing of Schmitt. But when these critics themselves embody their own stereotypes

01:00:05.800 of Schmittian politics, it becomes impossible to point out. It's not like you and I are cutting

01:00:12.720 this guy into a million different pieces, you know, stitching together different quotes to

01:00:16.840 make him look bad. Just watch it. It is clear, not only does he have no idea what he's talking about,

01:00:23.460 but he has no real principles. The principles that he himself is lauding as better than Schmitt,

01:00:31.140 that he is lauding as the ultimate kind of pinnacle of objective morality, he makes no

01:00:38.640 attempt to stick to. He has his own, ironically enough, Schmidian exception, something for which

01:00:45.280 his stated principles will bend. And so, again, you can look at Schmitt and say there are things

01:00:51.600 I dislike or I like about him. But when you are criticizing him, inaccurately, I might add,

01:00:58.080 while embodying his exact political framing, I'm sorry if I don't take you seriously. 0.94

01:01:03.780 It's ridiculous. It's genuinely a ridiculous situation. 0.94

01:01:06.900 well and at the end here he basically is appealing to liberalism right he says look you need to not

01:01:12.400 care about tribe you need to not care about identity what you need to care about is objective

01:01:16.680 standards objective values objective morals institutions that's what matters that's what

01:01:23.040 makes you american or whatever is that you ultimately embrace this stuff that's what we

01:01:27.820 believe unless you're a country in the middle east in which case you don't get validated by

01:01:35.580 your institutions you aren't actually upholding to this objective way you should treat people

01:01:40.500 you are allowed to define yourself as an ethno state and you are allowed to prefer your tribe

01:01:46.380 against others as you point out jeremy boring has a literal state of exception to these principles

01:01:53.260 those principles of jeremy apply to you as an american conservative they do not apply to

01:02:00.100 nations in the middle east that he has decided have this special exception it is the literal

01:02:06.880 schmidtian political miracle that intercedes on the behalf of those who you have deemed above

01:02:14.700 these principles so it's incredible that he appeals to exactly this idea of liberalism but

01:02:21.480 as you point out 10 seconds later he would have to turn around and say actually there's a particular

01:02:26.020 exception because for some reason Israel is just different than everyone else well and it's this

01:02:31.500 very tactical framing because figures like boring and others have criticized the woke left they have

01:02:38.940 to when addressing us adopt this framing that all of our institutions are perfectly liberal that

01:02:45.980 they're working exactly as designed but look at our first story look at you know Jason or day

01:02:51.880 however we say his name I'm sorry I don't know how to pronounce really anyone's name

01:02:55.900 But you look at that and you're like, oh, well, I thought that we didn't advance people on the basis of their tribe. I thought that we didn't make decisions based off of, one might say, some sort of line in the stand distinction.

01:03:11.800 And well, if we already are, functionally, like look at our institutions, well, what

01:03:20.140 leg are we standing on here?

01:03:21.440 It would be better if we weren't.

01:03:23.680 I mean, sure, in an abstract sense, maybe if that's even possible.

01:03:28.560 But functionally, our enemies to the left are Schmittian.

01:03:33.560 They understand that is how power works. 0.98

01:03:36.900 They are operating on those terms.

01:03:39.500 It's sort of like, you know, a sport or whatever.

01:03:42.380 You know, once we figured out the way to do a long jump is that weird back arch thing.

01:03:46.860 Well, if you want to do it the old way, just kind of running and hopping, there's no way

01:03:51.580 you're going to the Olympics.

01:03:52.820 You were using the wrong technology.

01:03:55.280 You're using the wrong method.

01:03:56.820 And so at a certain point, if you want to win, if you want to protect your way of life,

01:04:03.360 you have to adopt to the war that you're fighting, not the war you wish you were fighting.

01:04:08.040 And many people make fun of generals in the First World War, sending cavalry charges at machine gun nests, and then adopt that exact same mechanism when we're talking about politics.

01:04:21.440 And again, Aron, you and I are not the ideologues here.

01:04:25.500 You and I are not the lunatics possessed by theory, desperate to make reality conform to our high-minded series of ideals.

01:04:33.880 We're interested in results.

01:04:35.540 we're interested in saving this country and saving a culture. And if you're committed to that goal,

01:04:41.400 well, you're going to look for every available tool. And if one presents itself, well, that's

01:04:46.640 how we do this. I think it's very important to recognize that these conservatives are the

01:04:51.240 ideologues. They are the ones trying to contort reality to meet their professed principles,

01:04:57.800 not us. And they love to revert to classic conservative critiques of left-wing radicals.

01:05:04.680 They say, oh, you're utopian. Oh, you're an ideologue. Oh, you have all this theory,

01:05:09.760 but it doesn't turn out in real life. And they're trying to use that exact same tactic on people

01:05:14.540 who it clearly does not apply to. Yeah, obviously this is a losing strategy.

01:05:21.080 I think everybody sees this. I mean, at this point, honestly, I think that

01:05:26.340 the Jeremy Boring show is becoming a public service because it's just a parade of people

01:05:33.080 that are going to lay out why the previous tactics have failed entirely and destroy the

01:05:39.700 reputations of people who ultimately embrace this again when you we've roped you know guys

01:05:44.420 like matt walsh and john doyle into this at this point i mean you're you're just basically building

01:05:49.540 a coalition against you you know it's a do you want to be losers forever because that's what

01:05:54.760 jeremy boring is selling you he's selling you that we it's your duty to lose that you are as 0.95

01:05:59.760 a conservative or a beautiful loser and that just doesn't it doesn't work anymore so i think at this

01:06:04.800 point uh it's just very helpful because he's just gonna have a bunch of people on to all tell you

01:06:09.820 why you should lose forever and why your homeland should be sold out and why you should never have

01:06:14.340 a family or a home and it's all your fault and uh what you want to eat burritos like that that's 0.51

01:06:18.900 going to be the tone going forward uh and there's you know just the fact that all of this is

01:06:24.280 overlapped with a bunch of people who are basically never trump uh you know uh one desperately needed

01:06:29.360 a war in the Middle East. I mean, there are too many points of obvious overlap to think that any

01:06:34.960 one of these is an isolated incident. They all move together in the same direction for the same

01:06:39.740 reason. That said, we have a pile of super chats that we need to get to. So Mr. Burden, before we

01:06:44.620 get to the voice of the people, where can everyone find your work? Yeah. So you can find me on the

01:06:51.080 Jay Burden show, anywhere you listen to podcasts, but on an episode every single day. And I will say

01:06:57.080 I'm actually quite grateful to Mr. Boring because his shows are effectively a subsidy for me.

01:07:04.720 These are, it's low hanging fruit and I am not too proud to, to take it. I've done, I think,

01:07:11.820 two episodes on Jeremy Boring and I'll be honest, I might be doing a third. So point is Jay Burden

01:07:18.080 show anywhere you listen to podcasts. And again, Aaron, thank you so much for having me.

01:07:21.460 yeah if you if you want to get a steady stream of uh you know replying to jeremy boring then

01:07:28.280 jay burton has you covered he is he is your source he's he is dealing it out all right uh

01:07:34.180 let's see here cherry coke says uh cherry coke nixon says how many our days have been scammed

01:07:39.460 into elite institutions how many are involved in stem and put lives at risk at the altar of

01:07:44.300 wokeness well the good news is probably not so many of the latter uh most of those guys don't

01:07:48.480 actually make it into stem fields that said i'm sure there are some that are and it's incredibly

01:07:53.920 dangerous and you're right like this is just uh this is the competency crisis right like we all

01:07:58.960 know that the elites who have been manufactured are faulty and they will uh ultimately not be

01:08:04.620 able to do the job hold the system together uh you know forge a civilization that we need

01:08:08.720 uh and so this is an incredibly dangerous situation um that's why it has to be fixed

01:08:13.520 we can't just turn a blind eye to this we can't just say oh well ultimately it's not a big deal

01:08:17.600 it's just some sociologist no like this is where we actually manufacture credentials we decide that

01:08:23.640 people have the right to rule uh this is where we decide who should be in charge of the our

01:08:27.840 civilization and if we don't fix this it's going to have a catastrophic effect it already is starting

01:08:32.940 he also says gigantic public vigil for our day today in england over 150k raised for his funeral

01:08:40.660 just uh just so far uh gold you know floyd like golden casket in the works no more likely probably

01:08:47.240 the buying of a home and a car. But yeah, the fact that I think I saw last I saw it was almost

01:08:52.840 $200,000 for a guy killing himself. By the way, he left the wife and kids behind. So this is not

01:08:58.960 a victimless crime. Yeah. So, I mean, this is in no way a victimless crime. Hopefully that's where

01:09:05.760 the money goes to. I mean, it's not their fault that, you know, this guy did what he did. Hopefully

01:09:11.100 it's not going to some grifting to, you know, some other family members or some people who

01:09:15.080 want to get rich off of it but the fact that it's raised that much is insane

01:09:18.140 uh ian briggs says yarvin spoke about the genetic heresy and how it rec how its recognition

01:09:27.200 requires regime collapse kofnis is trying to prove him wrong do you think researchers like

01:09:32.200 him can succeed um so the problem with this is we already have the evidence the bell curve was

01:09:42.240 written a long time ago kids uh this was kind of the the mistake the alt-right made when they showed

01:09:47.760 up on the scene they had a bunch of data and they had been told that winning arguments is how you

01:09:52.980 win the marketplace of ideas so if you've got the data and you've got the arguments well then how

01:09:58.600 are people going to ultimately argue with the fact that there are differences in populations

01:10:02.480 genetically and that produces different results in fields like academia and the answer that everyone 0.99

01:10:08.660 brought to that argument was you're a racist and we should kill you and turns out that's actually 0.96

01:10:14.200 a really good argument uh and so even though uh there's not a lot of i mean i really don't ever 0.98

01:10:22.200 see anyone bring any scientific data to refute charles murray's thesis or anything else in you

01:10:28.940 know this uh the iq debate or the genetic debate um i think yarvin's right that if you undermine

01:10:35.360 that belief structure ultimately that would collapse the entire system but that's why they

01:10:39.980 don't care like they don't care what the research says they don't care what the science says they

01:10:44.400 don't care what the studies say and i think this is the problem that kaufnes as a self has run into 0.56

01:10:48.140 he's just an incredibly disagreeable human and has made an enemy out of everyone who should be

01:10:53.140 on his side because like the fact that he's pursued this doggedly is mainly racked up to

01:11:00.080 the fact that he just is impossible incapable of reading social views uh and so you end up in the

01:11:06.140 scenario where you could be right about something and still lose uh which you know is something i

01:11:10.600 try to teach libertarians all the time you don't you you you being right is not sufficient and you

01:11:15.920 need to have that drilled in your head uh sean wyland says the emperor wears no clothes exactly

01:11:23.820 exactly uh uh marcos it says dei complex delinda est yes let's hope so uh mark uh marcos says also

01:11:37.040 quick we must voluntarily repudiate and condemn the entirety of the roman republic lest we be 0.70

01:11:42.080 branded uh branded uh clodians or are associated with catiline yes uh the cancel culture all the 0.78

01:11:49.380 way back to rome uh weirdy curb says it amazes me they think that the one ring meme lands uh yeah

01:11:58.520 i just did a little screed about this on uh twitter but uh guys like james inzi were running

01:12:03.700 around doing the you know it's the one ring and it's power and you're the woke right if you want

01:12:07.800 to grab the ring uh and uh you know just briefly um guys the lord of the rings is a story about a

01:12:14.180 man who destroys the world uh or or you know makes the world worse because he refuses to take

01:12:19.800 state power and only when he finally learns to take his rightful place as the literal king

01:12:25.500 in the book return of the king is the is is the land healed uh jr tolkien was a supporter

01:12:32.420 francisco franco he is in every way shape or form what james lindsey would call the woke right so

01:12:37.500 james lindsey trying to use a meme from lord of the rings to denounce exactly the kind of thing

01:12:42.360 that well tolkien was talking about in the lord of the rings let's never say that the left can't

01:12:49.400 you know stop owning themselves well exactly and one this is from many of the same people who 0.99

01:12:56.100 rightfully made fun of lefties for calling trump voldemort 10 years ago you're like oh you idiot 0.99

01:13:03.360 you've taken a minor plot point or a character from a fiction novel and turned it into political 0.99

01:13:08.660 theory no wait nope here we are again doing exactly the same thing i will not get into a

01:13:14.840 detailed rant on the politics of lord of the rings but like let us be known that reading is

01:13:21.600 so impossibly wrong again right like the whole point of it is we need a king

01:13:29.620 a king selected by right of blood to set everything to right like that is the conclusion

01:13:36.180 complete with the magical sword to rule and everything like just like we are it's not being

01:13:41.400 subtle here um but yeah no i actually i did i believe do a whole episode with middle earth

01:13:46.560 mixer on this topic so once again if you want to see us rant about the politics of middle earth

01:13:50.780 for an hour uh you can do that as well uh marcos says uh has jeremy ever heard of lucius cornelius

01:13:58.300 Sulla. No, I imagine he has not.

01:14:00.740 But we are a fan of making

01:14:02.320 lists around here. 0.94

01:14:05.820 Cyberchud

01:14:06.220 says, I hope you both will do the right

01:14:08.320 thing and disavow NASA for their association

01:14:10.420 with Operation Paperclip.

01:14:12.520 Yeah, that's exactly the same comparison I actually

01:14:14.400 make in my book when I talk about Schmidt.

01:14:16.540 Obviously, you know, because 0.97

01:14:18.460 a bunch of Nazi scientists got us 0.88

01:14:20.340 to the moon, we don't disavow 0.84

01:14:22.340 our ability to get to the moon. In fact,

01:14:24.300 we still think of it as quite a bit of pride.

01:14:26.100 the fact that they came up with the theories and the science to do that does not actually taint

01:14:30.060 that um same can be true schmidt you can correctly think his associations were very bad but still

01:14:37.900 recognize that when he's right about theory he's right about theory and the use of correct theory

01:14:42.260 is ultimately still the way to go truth is truth even if it's spoken by someone who doesn't have

01:14:47.360 the best intentions and spartan says uh an unwinnable war for jeremy's friends and twenty

01:14:55.600 dollar burritos for his enemies yes yes well done all right guys we're gonna go ahead and wrap this

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - August 17, 2026

The Left's Newest Martyr Is Another Fraud ｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 8⧸17⧸26

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