The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Leftist Civil War ｜ 11⧸13⧸23

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00:00:30.340 Hey everybody, how's it going?

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00:00:33.380 I am Oren McIntyre.

00:00:35.320 So today I want to talk to you a little bit about the ongoing leftist civil war

00:00:40.740 that we seem to have brewing over on the progressive side.

00:00:44.780 Now the question of the conflict in Gaza has created a split between

00:00:49.860 kind of the more woke vanguard of the left

00:00:53.600 and then the more establishment part of the left that tends to be more pro-Israel

00:00:59.660 that kind of thing.

00:01:00.780 And this war has really developed in a very interesting way.

00:01:04.660 You have a lot of people claiming cancellations.

00:01:07.120 You have different congressmen being censured.

00:01:10.720 You have actions being taken by both sides to kind of tamp down what's happening.

00:01:15.120 But I want to explain to you why this kind of shows us the role that wokeness plays inside the leftist coalition.

00:01:23.640 I have a long-standing bet with my friend Academic Agent over whether or not wokeness will be put away, 1.00

00:01:29.580 whether the more mainstream elements of the regime will be able to put a halt to an ideology

00:01:35.100 that is very destructive, is obviously very bad for the host nations that have embraced it.

00:01:41.460 He thinks they will. I think they won't.

00:01:43.860 I want to explain a little bit today about why I think that's not going to happen,

00:01:48.380 specifically in the context of this kind of ongoing ideological conflict

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00:03:31.100 All right, so how does Wokeness play into this current conflict inside the left?

00:03:37.760 We see this internecine warfare between these leftist factions,

00:03:41.000 and you're probably wondering, is this a serious split?

00:03:45.220 Is this the end of the left?

00:03:47.300 Is this going to crack up the coalition?

00:03:49.480 I mean, there's all these powerful forces inside the left clashing with each other.

00:03:54.040 Surely that's got to be good for the right whenever the left are fighting.

00:03:57.220 That's got to be a good sign for their opponents, right?

00:04:01.620 I want to break this down and explain kind of the context in which this is happening.

00:04:06.220 Now, first, we've seen a number of people make claims about people getting fired due to their pro-Palestinian support.

00:04:13.680 A lot of people saying that I've been censored at my university or by my large company because I voiced this support for Palestine,

00:04:24.140 and this shows my tribulations through this, the way I'm being persecuted because of my beliefs, this kind of thing.

00:04:31.240 A lot of people on the left want to try to blame this on conservatives.

00:04:35.420 Now, it's kind of funny because I've watched a lot of people who have tried to blame what's happened to them on conservatives

00:04:42.000 do this while being employed by incredibly radically left companies.

00:04:46.300 For instance, the parent company of, for instance, Rolling Stone.

00:04:51.280 There are people who said they've been fired from that due to their pro-Palestine stance.

00:04:56.240 Now, maybe that's true. Maybe that's not. Maybe you're just blaming the current thing for why you got fired.

00:05:02.120 But if that's true, the Rolling Stone and its parent company are obviously not very right-wing organizations.

00:05:09.300 These are not organizations that are populated by extremely conservative people, by people of the right.

00:05:15.300 That's just not the case.

00:05:16.720 And surely when it comes to universities, I kind of doubt that almost anyone is actually being punished there.

00:05:22.200 But to the extent that that's happening, again, these are not right-wing organizations.

00:05:26.700 These are hard left-wing organizations.

00:05:29.180 And so to the degree at which there are actually cancellations happening, there are actually costs being paid,

00:05:35.900 that cost is being paid to left-wing organizations.

00:05:40.140 They're being paid to progressive organizations.

00:05:44.080 Universities, Rolling Stone Magazine, these are radically left-wing organizations.

00:05:48.640 So if they are actually punishing people because of their pro-Palestinian beliefs,

00:05:53.600 it's not because they've adopted a conservative stance on things,

00:05:57.200 that they're being canceled by a conservative cancel culture.

00:06:01.160 That's just not the case.

00:06:02.420 Not that the right couldn't or shouldn't do so if they had the opportunity,

00:06:06.380 but they simply don't.

00:06:07.840 They're not the ones in power in this scenario.

00:06:10.540 So what's actually happening is this is kind of left-on-left violence, right?

00:06:14.760 This is internecine warfare between left-wing factions.

00:06:18.080 So who are these factions?

00:06:19.720 Well, you have a more establishment left-wing.

00:06:22.240 And that more establishment left-wing is going to be people like your Nancy Pelosi's.

00:06:26.260 They're going to be the people who are running these major organizations for the most part,

00:06:30.240 the ones who are still kind of the legacy, leftover, old left faction that are kind of in charge of much of this.

00:06:38.860 And that faction tends to be pro-Israel.

00:06:41.260 They tend to be people who are in favor of protecting the state of Israel and kind of what it does, those kind of things.

00:06:49.600 And then you have kind of the new leftist vanguard, the more woke portion of the left.

00:06:54.740 And they tend to be those that are newer rivals.

00:06:58.980 They tend to be newer immigrants or people who have climbed the ladder inside kind of the intersectional left over the last decade or two.

00:07:07.500 And these people tend to be more pro-Palestine for a couple of reasons.

00:07:12.840 One, they tend to be people who have immigrated into the West.

00:07:17.840 And so they tend not to be as wrapped up kind of in the idea of, I guess, the creation of Israel as kind of a post-World War II haven.

00:07:26.660 They tend to have less of a connection to that narrative that has run through much of the West.

00:07:32.960 And they also tend to be from places, you know, that are Muslim.

00:07:38.500 There are many Muslim immigrants involved in kind of that immigration.

00:07:44.120 And so they have their own kind of cultural bias, their own ethnic bias over what side they would be on.

00:07:51.740 Again, they're not just kind of ideologically driven entirely.

00:07:56.300 They're driven by kind of their history and their allegiance to their faith and their allegiance to the culture that they left.

00:08:02.960 And they also tend to have adopted that narrative of colonialism, right?

00:08:11.020 They tend to look at just as the woke narrative on people of European descents.

00:08:17.080 Whites has been that they are colonizers. 0.98

00:08:19.020 They are oppressors. 1.00

00:08:20.000 They are the settlers.

00:08:21.340 They are the people who come in and control things.

00:08:24.440 That has kind of been their narrative and their reason why they think it's okay to hate people due to the color of their skin if they're white.

00:08:30.800 And they have all internalized a lot of that narrative, and they have also now applied it to Israel.

00:08:37.840 Israel is a state that is carved out of what was once Palestine.

00:08:42.140 You know, obviously, there's a lot of history there.

00:08:44.640 The Jewish people have owned it at different times.

00:08:49.240 The Arabs people have owned it at different times.

00:08:52.640 You know, it's been owned by the Romans and the Christians of all kinds of stripes.

00:08:56.120 That area has been very contentious for a long time.

00:09:00.300 Ownership has been up in the air for a very long time.

00:09:03.260 And so it's all about kind of where and when you want to draw your history.

00:09:07.040 But for the current narrative, it's very clear that kind of Israel is the oppressor and the Palestinians are the oppressed. 0.53

00:09:13.480 And therefore, those who kind of have this woke ideology immediately feel themselves drawn to the more Palestinian side of this conflict. 0.74

00:09:22.840 And so what you're seeing is the clash between these two groups.

00:09:26.480 And it's very interesting because, you know, the left has captured most of the critical nodes of power inside the United States.

00:09:36.020 They have almost complete cultural hegemony.

00:09:39.280 It's kind of hard to overstate how much they control a lot of what's going on in the United States and the wider West.

00:09:47.500 And so it's really hard for the left in some ways because, well, obviously, it's not hard for them because they're winning all this stuff and they control all this stuff.

00:09:55.380 It's hard for them because they've got a narrative built in to the leftist idea of the eternal revolution and being oppressed.

00:10:05.160 Right. That's part of it. A core part of leftism is being oppressed by the oppressor.

00:10:11.340 And what allows for the permanent revolution of leftism is the fact that you're kind of always the underdog.

00:10:17.700 You're always the downtrodden. You're always the oppressor.

00:10:19.960 Well, if you're in control of every system in the United States, if you're in control of the culture, if you're in control of the media, if you're in control of academia, if you're in control of corporations, which they are, then it's hard to look like the underdog.

00:10:34.600 Right. It's hard to look like the oppressed.

00:10:36.640 And so you need a new reason or you need a different narrative that kind of brings around the idea that you are under attack. 0.98

00:10:46.160 Now, the media will come around and they'll dust off MAGA supporters, you know, from like January 6th or something or some guys who are in some kind of, you know, stupid group or something. 0.94

00:10:57.320 And they'll kind of parade them around and show trials and try to make them look really scary. 0.96

00:11:02.360 Oh, look, you know, it's an attack on our democracy.

00:11:04.920 Yada, yada, yada. But eventually that stuff just kind of looks weak.

00:11:09.960 Like you can keep pretending that like evangelical Christians are just about to establish their theocracy or whatever.

00:11:17.320 But really, eventually it makes it clear that these people don't really hold power.

00:11:22.260 They keep going to jail. They keep getting arrested.

00:11:24.920 They keep getting fired from their jobs and all the leftists keep controlling everything.

00:11:29.240 And so eventually it just kind of becomes obvious that these aren't real threats to the revolution.

00:11:35.460 And if these aren't real threats to the revolution, I mean, they're don't get me wrong.

00:11:39.420 They're still going to hold up Red America as the evil thing that they have to suppress in order to control everybody. 0.84

00:11:45.280 They're still going to talk like that. But but you need more credible threats, right?

00:11:49.260 You need more credible threats. You need to build that oppression narrative.

00:11:52.280 The Christians can't do it. 1.00

00:11:53.920 The people in the Republican Party can't do it.

00:11:57.080 So, like, obviously, there's got to be some way in which you can kind of convince people that the revolution can still continue.

00:12:04.400 So what Wokeness does, it allows the revolution to continue by allowing the more radical kind of gay race communists in the West to eat the neoliberal tail of the movement. 0.91

00:12:15.820 So you've got the kind of the establishment liberals, they're kind of the neoliberals, those who embrace, you know, global capital and these kind of things, but but are also kind of for the status quo.

00:12:29.560 And then you have your more radical ran vanguard, and they're the ones pushing, you know, trans kids and and, you know, oppressor, oppress narratives, colonization narratives, decolonization narratives. 0.55

00:12:43.080 And so the thing you want to do if you want to keep the revolution going is you have the vanguard kind of continue to attack the establishment.

00:12:52.080 It's not really a new pattern for a communist revolution.

00:12:54.760 I mean, you know, stop me if you've heard this one.

00:12:57.440 The revolution eats their own, right?

00:12:59.220 It's not a new thing.

00:13:00.560 That's kind of the path that all communist revolutions take.

00:13:04.300 If you if you continue the revolution, if you allow the revolution to be the driving force of your political power, eventually you have to start eating the establishment, too.

00:13:13.080 You have to eat the last revolutionary so that the new revolutionaries can continue to generate power.

00:13:19.140 So it's not new that it's happening in the United States or the wider West.

00:13:24.080 But the wokeness in particular is a particularly American strain.

00:13:28.880 Right. So, you know, in China or in Russia, you would have had more like kulaks and you would have had a more economic enemy, those kind of things. 0.99

00:13:37.220 I mean, Pol Pot would have had people with glasses, you know, but but in America, there's particularly this narrative of racial strife.

00:13:45.240 Of course, this is part of the Gramscian import of Marxism, making sure to focus on things like like like race or gender, you know, biological sex, whatever.

00:13:56.420 Or in instead of dealing with class differences, that kind of thing.

00:14:01.320 This is kind of the mutation that allowed the revolution to take more hold in the West than than in kind of the class and economic revolution did.

00:14:10.820 But but even though it's again, it's not the revolution in its own is not unique.

00:14:14.940 But that particular aspect, the wokeness is something that that I think was created specifically to be more effective in the West.

00:14:23.780 So by kind of linking the classically pro-Israel institutional liberals to conservatives, the woke can kind of recast themselves as victims of oppression.

00:14:34.300 They get to be renegades who are once again punished by a McCarthy reactionaries.

00:14:39.940 That's right. You get to you get to say, oh, look at the look at this. I'm being fired from my job.

00:14:44.600 I'm being kind of singled out for what I'm doing.

00:14:47.920 And that shows that once again, I'm on the edge. I'm the rebel.

00:14:52.140 You know, they wouldn't be coming after me if I wasn't saying something dangerous.

00:14:55.080 And so all of a sudden you can kind of reestablish your cred as a revolutionary with with the with the left if you kind of glom on to the Palestinian cause.

00:15:05.880 Now, I think this is amazing because you can look at headlines from things like Vice magazine and they literally had a I believe it was vice.

00:15:14.140 They had a headline that said it feels like the new McCarthyism, how Israel and the Hamas war is redefining the limits of free speech.

00:15:22.480 And they're saying, you know, it feels like like the rules of free speech are changing before your eyes.

00:15:27.560 Now, you have to you have to have an amazing ideological blindness to believe that this is just a work of raw ideological delusion to think that these people who might may or may not actually be getting fired for their pro-Palestinian stances are the only people getting fired for their political beliefs that this is something new.

00:15:48.780 This is the new McCarthyism. This is the new persecution.

00:15:51.560 This is changing the rules of the game. Of course, anyone on the right knows that they are being fired left and well, right for their political beliefs.

00:16:00.180 Guys can be fired from their own companies.

00:16:03.400 You know, the guy with Oracle and Papa John and, you know, all these people, they can get fired from their own companies.

00:16:09.360 They can lose control of their own companies for having the wrong political beliefs or stances, these kind of things.

00:16:14.780 It's very easy for people to get persecuted at a large, you know, Fortune 500 company or just on social media.

00:16:20.940 You know, they can they can get fired by proxy for just having the wrong idea somewhere.

00:16:25.880 So, of course, anyone living in the real world knows that people on the right have to shut up constantly.

00:16:30.800 They have to sense themselves constantly.

00:16:32.500 They have to rewrite their own thoughts constantly in the desperate hope that they're not going to get fired for this stuff.

00:16:39.500 And so, you know, the idea that this is suddenly a war on free speech, that this is suddenly a war on the ability to kind of speak your mind when it comes to politics is insane.

00:16:50.860 But if you're on the left and you thought like all of that stuff is justified and people on the right aren't real people, well, this might be the first time in a long time you've actually cared about free speech.

00:16:59.280 And all of a sudden it's the return of free speech arguments and people at Rolling Stone or, you know, Hollywood Reporter or, you know, Fortune 500 company, they have to be able to say, you know, yay, Palestine.

00:17:10.320 And if they get fired for that, well, this is the return of actual, you know, speech enforcement speech codes.

00:17:17.880 Again, people on the right have been completely decimated for saying that, you know, men and women are different and, you know, men can't become women.

00:17:24.960 It's still up in the air whether or not, you know, content will get removed or people get banned from social media for saying things like that.

00:17:31.860 But, of course, none of that matters because it wasn't left wing.

00:17:34.540 And so now that the oppressor narrative, the oppressor oppressed narrative can come back.

00:17:39.320 And once again, people on the left are the ones that are actually, you know, pushing things and changing things.

00:17:46.740 Now, it's really interesting because this, of course, puts left wing Jews in a tight spot if you're a progressive Jewish person.

00:17:53.840 And Yuram Harzoni actually had a thread on this that was very interesting yesterday.

00:17:58.300 But, you know, they were part of the progressive alliance and they generally, of course, want to continue to be part of the progressive alliance.

00:18:07.080 And one of the ways they continue to do that, even though progressive Jews and Muslims should, in theory, of course, be at odds. 0.92

00:18:14.480 Right. Like that that would make sense that, you know, most Muslim countries aren't big fans of Jews.

00:18:20.040 And I think a lot of progressive Jews are perfectly aware of that fact.

00:18:24.380 But the reason there was always kind of detente between them is they could kind of point everyone in the progressive coalition at conservative America and be like, well, as long as you go ahead and, you know, hate these people, as long as you go ahead and fight against these people, as long as you're trying to disassemble kind of traditional America.

00:18:42.560 Well, then you don't have to look at each other and you don't have to figure out if there's any kind of problems between you.

00:18:47.340 But, you know, now that we've got the shift in mass immigration, bringing in a lot more people from many of these Arab countries or other Muslim countries that would kind of innately side with Palestine and you have a lot more of this colonization narrative.

00:19:05.420 All of a sudden there's this shift. And, you know, these people who have been sitting in a coalition together suddenly realize that there's more of a faction there than than perhaps they had paid attention to originally.

00:19:19.000 So in addition to kind of the colonization narrative that's grown in power as a critical part of woke ideology, it's also been difficult to kind of ignore the Israeli-Palestine narrative when it comes to this colonization issue.

00:19:35.700 And it's a different dynamic. You know, you've got a lot of people who were defending Israel out of habit, probably in the establishment left, but it's been made clear to them that actually the vanguard, the people who are kind of pushing things more and more towards a woke direction, are on kind of Team Palestine.

00:19:55.500 And if you've been part of a leftist purity spiral, if you've been part of kind of this revolutionary fervor, then you know that you want to be on the vanguard side and not really on the establishment side.

00:20:11.280 When it comes to the question of who's going to win a showdown between the establishment and the vanguard, the establishment might be able to, quote unquote, kind of put the woke away for a while.

00:20:23.060 However, eventually the vanguard usually triumph. They end up pulling people the direction that they want. They may lose in the short term. They may not have as many of the jobs or those kind of things.

00:20:38.500 But it's clear that the way to win a war of kind of ideological purity is to always move towards the woke direction.

00:20:47.500 And so this leaves a lot of people in the kind of who are progressive Jews or who were part of kind of the leftist establishment who kind of instinctively wanted to defend Israel.

00:20:59.660 It leaves them in a situation where they're going to kind of be on a side that they know is eventually going to lose momentum.

00:21:06.080 And if you want to see how that works, you can look kind of what happened with Rashida Tlaib.

00:21:11.280 So obviously, you know, you've got someone like Rashida Tlaib and she's got the Palestinian flag around and she's waving it around.

00:21:18.180 And to be clear, it's wildly inappropriate for people of any political party or any, you know, nationality to be waving a flag that is not the American flag in Congress or pretty much anywhere else, really.

00:21:35.420 But specifically, if you're if you're a congressional representative, if you're a senator, you should not be wearing, you know, Ukrainian flags or Palestinian flags or Israeli flags on your lapels.

00:21:47.340 You shouldn't be putting them in your profiles. You shouldn't you know, you are supposed to be there to represent Americans.

00:21:52.680 And no matter where they, in theory, came from the idea, if any of this is going to work, if you're going to be and it might not.

00:21:59.720 But if any of this kind of, you know, if immigration things are going to work, you have to have a scenario where once people are here, their their loyalty is to America and they are Americans.

00:22:09.120 And, you know, they coalesce as one identity as an American and the people who are representing them represent America and not America plus Israel or America plus Palestine or America plus Ukraine or America plus wherever you should be an American and that should be the end of it.

00:22:27.720 However, obviously, you know, there's nothing magical about crossing into the United States and many people bring, you know, kind of their previous identities, previous traditions, previous culturals, previous loyalties with them once they're kind of in the United States.

00:22:43.400 However, Rashida Tlaib is somebody who obviously is very vocally pro-Palestinian and she was recently censured by the Congress.

00:22:52.440 Now, getting censured by Congress doesn't really do anything.

00:22:55.700 Technically, it's supposed to be a big deal, but it's not a huge deal.

00:23:00.060 However, the interesting dynamic is how she got censured. 1.00

00:23:05.460 Yes, it's technically bipartisan.

00:23:07.460 You needed it to be bipartisan.

00:23:09.280 However, only 22 Democrats sided with Rashida or sided with the Republicans to censor her. 0.94

00:23:16.760 So the vast majority of Democrats did not actually take action to speak out against or punish her for her kind of pro-Palestinian.

00:23:25.700 Why is that?

00:23:27.120 Well, because the vast majority of them probably wanted to be seen as part of the vanguard or not taking a stance on the issue.

00:23:33.880 They recognize that actually it might hurt me to come out as kind of against Rashida Tlaib or kind of against Palestine because the vanguard is pushing.

00:23:44.640 A lot of people think that there's this kind of clash in the left, but really, again, it serves as kind of the internal revolution that allows the narrative to continue.

00:23:55.940 And it also allows them to kind of pull everything leftward.

00:24:00.000 And so it's far more likely that Nancy Pelosi is going to take steps towards Rashida Tlaib than Tlaib is going to take steps towards Nancy Pelosi.

00:24:10.220 And so you're going to see that dynamic play out kind of over and over again.

00:24:15.180 It plays out at the highest levels in Congress, but it's going to play out far more dynamically in places like universities, which are actually far more likely to cave to the vanguard than something like the United States Congress.

00:24:30.340 So I think over time, you're going to see that the kind of this this Palestinian side, this woke side, that's going to win out in kind of this leftist civil war now for a lot of.

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00:25:14.020 Republicans or right-wingers, you might be thinking to yourself, oh, well, this is great, right?

00:25:18.700 I mean, it's great that the left is battling itself.

00:25:21.660 It's great that they're fighting amongst themselves.

00:25:23.740 Because this internal battle is going to do damage.

00:25:28.060 It has to do damage.

00:25:29.500 And so isn't that great for the right?

00:25:31.360 Doesn't that kind of put the right where it wants to be with the left kind of eating its own?

00:25:36.320 And now the right is going to win this thing.

00:25:39.060 But I want you to think back because it's not that long ago, right?

00:25:42.880 If you look back to kind of the evolution of what we now call wokeness, you can look back to all the way to, I think, its origin at the very least, which is the 1960s and kind of the civil rights revolution.

00:25:57.200 And you can look at what happened inside in those institutions.

00:26:01.440 A lot of people thought that those institutions were tearing themselves apart.

00:26:05.460 That, you know, the university, the students are attacking the campus, blah, blah, blah.

00:26:08.880 And, yeah, for a time, it looked like the, you know, kind of the deans of those universities, the establishment of those universities were fighting back against the students in some way, shape, or form.

00:26:20.600 However, over time, we saw that actually the students, the wokeness, the progressives, the more radical leftists were actually winning.

00:26:29.560 Even though there was a contest inside those institutions, the more radical elements, while they seemed to be pushed out at the time, their indelible mark kind of stood.

00:26:42.860 And the people who were more radical are the ones who came back and became professors.

00:26:46.620 They're the ones that became faculty.

00:26:48.820 They're the ones that kind of set the tone going forward.

00:26:51.040 And so those institutions, while they resisted, in theory, radicalization somewhat in the 60s, they obviously became far more radical over time.

00:27:02.320 And we can see this manifest itself again in the 2000s with kind of the social justice movement, right?

00:27:10.740 This is often seen as the precursor to the current wokeness, even though I think it goes back far further.

00:27:15.980 And I think a lot of people look at that movement on, you know, at the time, I remember distinctly when all this was happening on campuses with kind of the, you know, the different far leftist factions that were shutting down speakers and holding demonstrations and things in the kind of early to mid 2010s.

00:27:38.120 And in a lot of situations, people just looked at that and they said, oh, well, this is the same as the 1960s.

00:27:43.600 And they were right about that, but they didn't understand the way in which they meant it.

00:27:46.600 They thought, oh, well, in the 1960s, all these kids had to grow up and get jobs.

00:27:50.620 And so, you know, eventually this stuff just kind of went away.

00:27:54.040 Of course, it didn't go away and it actually became kind of the core doctrine of the United States.

00:27:59.620 And the same thing happened again in the in the 2010s.

00:28:02.920 All of these SJWs, as they were called at the time, the social justice warriors who were supposed to be these campus radicals that were going to realize that they needed to grow up and get a real job and move on and adopt kind of more bourgeoisie norms and those kind of things.

00:28:19.680 What actually happened is they just took their radical ideology and they carried it into the real world with them rather than the real world knocking the ideology out of the rather the radical progressives.

00:28:31.480 The radical progressives carried that into the the boardroom.

00:28:37.240 And because, of course, universities are the breeding ground for our ruling class, you know, for better or for worse, definitely worse, in my opinion, because that is the place where we train young leaders, where we train the next generation of people who are going to be CEOs.

00:28:53.220 They're going to sit on boards, they're going to run military branches, they're going to run for office, like the people who are going to make the media and they're the people who are going to write the books like they're all going to college.

00:29:06.620 And because all those people were progressive, radically progressive, they took all that into a ruling class and the politics of the radical left in the college once again became the politics of our ruling class in the boardroom, in the media, in everywhere you can imagine.

00:29:24.160 And so I think I would be careful of that, assuming that just because a leftist civil war is occurring, that just because we can see a fissure kind of forming between these two groups in the left, assuming that that means that our enemies are just going to destroy each other.

00:29:39.800 Because we always say that, right? The revolution needs its own. The revolution needs its own. Oh, look at the leftists. They're coming after each other again.

00:29:45.960 But what happens? Well, the left keeps getting farther left and the middle keeps going further left. And let's be honest.

00:29:54.160 The right keeps going further left. And so these purity spirals leftward don't end up destroying progressivism. Instead, they end up dragging the entirety of the culture along with them, right?

00:30:05.640 And this is kind of the ratchet demonstration that I've, you know, the illustration, rather, that I've given you guys so many times.

00:30:13.840 Today's liberals become tomorrow's conservatives. And so even if we see a lot of kind of these establishment leftists

00:30:21.000 shed themselves from the more radical progressive movement, those people don't just fall out of power.

00:30:30.960 They move from kind of the left-wing camp over to the right-wing camp. We call this neoconservatism.

00:30:37.860 Today, neoconservatism is attached to the idea of going to endless wars. And I use it that way sometimes, too.

00:30:44.000 But that wasn't originally kind of what the movement was. Yes, Trotskyites that came over, former communists,

00:30:51.080 they did have this idea of the global revolution. And so they were kind of foreign policy interventionists

00:30:57.800 that wanted to go to war. But also a large amount of them were just people who got mugged.

00:31:02.420 You know, the old saying, a conservative is a liberal that got mugged. And that was really true.

00:31:08.460 A lot of people who were subject to violence inside of large American cities, some of them Jewish,

00:31:16.960 ended up moving from the left to the right because they realized that kind of the leftist coalition

00:31:24.120 was not protecting them. The way that the left is handling things like violent crime was not working

00:31:29.560 in American cities. And so the neoconservative movement formed from a lot of people who took

00:31:35.620 many leftist priors, but they brought them into the conservative movement. And that ended up being

00:31:42.040 something that drove conservatives for a very long time. In fact, to this day, you know, a large amount

00:31:48.580 of the kind of moneyed establishment inside the Republican Party inside the right is neoconservative

00:31:55.620 in its direction, even if they're not war hawks, though many of them are, as I think we saw from

00:32:00.740 everything that happened in Ukraine, they tend to be people who have kind of this neoconservative

00:32:07.480 bent of open markets, free markets will kind of solve everything. It's all about economic liberalism.

00:32:12.860 You know, that will kind of solve every situation. Well, we should probably have some laws against

00:32:17.320 crime. You know, we can't just let every felon out after two years due to racial injustice. We do

00:32:23.960 actually have to keep some level of order. And so that's kind of how the liberal establishment

00:32:29.020 becomes the conservative establishment. The ratchet always moves one direction, you know,

00:32:34.100 the these cast off centrist liberals move over and become central rightists. And because they have a

00:32:42.400 lot of clout and connections, they often move into kind of positions of authority. And then they end up

00:32:48.340 shifting the conservative movement to the left. And now large chunks of the conservative movement,

00:32:53.880 you know, we're just what liberalism was 20 or 30 years ago, which is why, you know, the famous quote

00:33:00.200 from Ronald Reagan, you know, I didn't leave the left, the left left me gets repeated so often by

00:33:05.300 people who join the right. Well, if if you didn't leave the left, and the left left you, that means

00:33:11.840 you're still left wing. That means you're still if you didn't leave the left, okay, they got more radical,

00:33:17.320 but you still stayed left wing, which means you're still much further left than the people who were

00:33:21.260 conservative. And if the people who were left keep moving over to the conservative camp,

00:33:26.060 and they keep drowning out the ideas that were once conservative, then that drags the entire thing

00:33:30.960 to the left. So that's kind of the key is this this internal, this eternal revolution that wokeness

00:33:38.840 allows, allows the whole neocon cycle to start over again, the woke, the woke faction drags the wider

00:33:47.460 Democratic Party, radically left, the establishment liberals understand their kind of dangerous

00:33:54.520 position, some of them become more radical, most of them will become more radical, honestly, and will

00:33:59.340 join the woke progressives. But some of them will keep kind of their establishment liberal bona fides and

00:34:05.260 will move themselves over to the conservative movement, the conservative movement will welcome them in

00:34:10.880 because man, more people, right? Amazing. This is how we win. The left is crazy. And this is how we win.

00:34:15.960 And so those people come over to the right and they like get positions of leadership, they gain

00:34:21.240 influence, they start driving the conversation. And all of a sudden, you have a scenario in which

00:34:27.080 the right is adopting many of the beliefs that the left held 20 years ago, and hopes that this will make

00:34:34.620 them more electoral appealing to all these people who are being cast off by the progressives. Now, I do

00:34:40.500 have, you know, I know this can sound kind of dire. However, I do have some good news for you. While

00:34:46.580 Cthulhu does always swim to the left, there is a into this, like there is only so much you can eat up

00:34:55.060 this way. There's only so far you can go radically to the left. There's only so many of your revolutionaries

00:35:00.900 you can consume before things get wild. Now, we've seen this in many other left wing revolutions, you know,

00:35:07.120 Stalin is able to stabilize, you know, the Russian communism for a good while, because he basically 0.69

00:35:15.300 stops the revolution. He says, nope, we're done now. We're done purity spiraling. He actually brings

00:35:20.780 in for better, you know, for lack of a better word, right wing, the right wing version of communism.

00:35:26.400 He brings that in and kind of solidifies things. So there is that possibility. That's the bad ending.

00:35:33.840 Obviously, we don't we don't want, you know, a left wing dictator to kind of stabilize the revolution,

00:35:40.000 even though that I guess that's better than than completely complete destruction in the minds of

00:35:45.060 many people. But it's bad overall, unless you think living under Stalin is a good ending. However,

00:35:51.240 there is, of course, the other one, which is basically the revolution pushes the institutions to

00:35:57.020 the breaking point. Nothing works anymore. And people look for someone who is much more right wing to come in.

00:36:03.840 And kind of reform the country, fix these institutions, make things work again, make things

00:36:09.200 safe again. At some point, people want to be able to walk the streets. They want to be able to shop at

00:36:13.500 the grocery store. And they're less interested in trying to figure out where you fit on the oppression

00:36:18.400 scale of gender identity. It might take a while, it takes a long time, and things have to get very bad

00:36:24.060 for a lot of that to happen. However, I think that that that is something that is a possibility there

00:36:32.340 there is a end to the leftist revolution, it does kind of run out of steam eventually. So I just wanted

00:36:38.200 to explain that guys kind of how the the current leftist civil war isn't necessarily I don't want to

00:36:45.160 say it's good or bad. It's just part of the it's part of the dialectic. It's part of the system,

00:36:50.040 part of the ratchet. It has some upsides, it has some downsides, we should understand the

00:36:55.600 mechanics that are at play in this, and not think that just because leftists are fighting, it's good

00:37:00.500 for us. But also realize that, you know, while while the ratchet is kind of brutal, and it is it does

00:37:07.100 do a lot of damage, there is an end to this there there is only so far that wokeness can run. One of the 0.96

00:37:13.660 reasons that my buddy academic agent thinks that wokeness will get put away is because of its incredibly

00:37:18.720 destructive nature. He basically is looking for managerial Stalin, right? So rather than Stalin,

00:37:24.380 the communist, he's looking for like a Tony Blair figure who's a hyper competent manager,

00:37:29.220 who just says, Okay, you know, the radical left are just dismantling the country, things are too far,

00:37:35.600 we can't land planes, we can't get groceries, we can't pump gas, this is going to destroy civilization,

00:37:41.940 we're going to stop the revolution right here. Dial things back a few notches, go back to fresh

00:37:47.040 prints as, as academic agent would say, and kind of get things back to a form of liberalism or

00:37:54.080 progressivism that was at least manageable, and could allow the country to prosper to some degree,

00:37:59.260 have decent lives, that kind of thing. I don't think that's going to happen. I think the mechanical

00:38:03.300 advance is necessary to wokeness. But of course, only time will tell. We've got a cigar resting on

00:38:11.200 this bed. So I expect to be smoking a fine cigar at the end of this. But but we'll certainly have

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00:39:39.760 All right, guys. So let's go ahead and take a look at your questions here. Mint20 for $10. Thank you

00:39:45.720 very much, sir. No wasting capital attempting to help one side of the conflict and no attempting

00:39:52.320 to onboard whoever loses as a new part of the right. Much like the actual conflict in the ME,

00:39:57.900 let them fight each other. Yeah, I'm with you there. And I think that's the right approach.

00:40:03.260 Unfortunately, a lot of people have trouble with this level of discipline, but it really needs to

00:40:07.540 be instituted on the right. First, understand that you're not winning a whole lot by backing one side

00:40:15.680 or the other. If you can somehow increase tensions, force divisions, then with little to no cost for

00:40:26.340 yourself, then maybe that's worth it. But in general, it's not really your side. You're not

00:40:32.800 really helping yourself by making one side stronger or the other. The most important thing is not trying

00:40:37.740 to onboard a bunch of people who get thrown out after this, right? You don't want a bunch of people

00:40:42.900 coming around and putting them in leadership positions just because they used to be on the

00:40:47.320 other side. This is a really bad habit that the right has. Again, I didn't leave the left. The left

00:40:52.040 left me. This is something that the right does all the time. And it's a mistake. You need to

00:40:57.140 understand. Yes, there could be serious converts. There could be people who really, truly do see the

00:41:02.200 light after this. And they do say, OK, I need to change my ways. However, you'll be able to tell

00:41:07.220 the difference because the people who are like, well, I didn't leave the left and I was right this

00:41:12.920 whole time and I still believe everything I believe. Those are people who are unrepentant.

00:41:17.600 Those are people who don't think they did anything wrong. Those are people who think that

00:41:21.500 you should have conformed to them. And they're only over here because the people standing next

00:41:25.400 to them got too radical. They're not actually your allies. You will every once in a while get

00:41:29.960 someone who truly says, look, I was completely wrong. I'm doing a 180. I'm throwing all of my

00:41:35.400 beliefs in the garbage because they were all bad. And I am now on your side. I've met a couple of 0.91

00:41:40.620 those people. They do exist. You still maybe not rush them to the front of the line when it comes to

00:41:44.980 leadership. However, their conversion is far more sincere.

00:41:47.880 A life of Brian here for 499. With the Spanish revolt, we can now witness just how impotent 0.94

00:41:54.180 a massive disorganized mass can be. Yes. For those who don't know, there is a kind of a large

00:42:00.300 scale protest against the kind of socialism in Spain. I don't know all of the details,

00:42:06.400 so I don't want to speak with a ton of authority. But it is very clear, I think, for a lot of people

00:42:11.660 when they look at events like this, that while you might see popular movements, I mean,

00:42:16.100 you think about Bolsonaro, then you think about what happened with Trump, you see what happens

00:42:21.020 then in Spain. We repeatedly see that just showing up in mass, having a big protest, those kind of

00:42:26.880 things, that is not sufficient. That is not an actual plan. It might be at some point a necessary

00:42:33.300 part of an overall kind of change in what is happening, but that does not in and of itself

00:42:39.880 actually drive change. And so it's a mistake to go out and kind of involve yourself

00:42:44.360 in large disorganized movements that have no real objective and are very likely to get punished by the

00:42:51.220 regime. You really want to make sure, again, I'm not saying that these things can never be successful,

00:42:56.700 but when they're successful, they are attached directly to a well-planned movement that is prepared

00:43:01.020 to take power, not kind of loosely moving towards dissatisfaction against a regime that has the

00:43:08.660 ability to punish you and does so regularly. Cooper Wheater for $2. I don't want to send soldiers

00:43:14.000 to war. That is all. I mean, yeah, I'm with you, man. In this case, I understand what you're saying.

00:43:19.660 You know, the United States should not be involving itself in Ukrainian conflicts or the conflict

00:43:26.780 between Israel and Palestine. There's just no reason for the United States to be involved in 0.53

00:43:31.620 these foreign wars like this. I would be careful just saying that, however, that I never want to

00:43:37.800 send soldiers to war. I'm not one of these people who's just anti-war. I think that war 0.72

00:43:43.580 is a part of the human condition and it's going to happen and it's terrible when it does, but it's also

00:43:50.080 just part of life and pretending that war is something that we can just eliminate. 0.97

00:43:55.520 John Lennon style is just as dumb as saying we need to go to war all the time. However, 0.99

00:44:01.120 I do think we need to be very careful about the wars we engage in and that's kind of why it matters

00:44:06.560 that you're loyal first and foremost to your own country because you want to make sure that when you

00:44:11.900 go to war, the blood and treasure being spent is spent in the interests of the people of the nation

00:44:17.380 and not any others, not the elites of that nation, not the corporations of that nation,

00:44:22.140 not any other foreign power, but only for the interests of the people themselves.

00:44:28.480 And that's hard to do when you have people who are not really interested in the future of the

00:44:33.400 country. Thuggo here for $7. I think the funniest part was trying to make Palestine woke to get Red 1.00

00:44:40.260 America to accept Israel's problems as their problems. Well, I don't think you had to work that

00:44:46.580 hard, to be honest. There is a large amount of loyalty, I think, to Israel in much of the

00:44:56.760 establishment conservatism. Again, I think Israel has the right to defend itself. I think the things

00:45:03.820 that Hamas did were horrific. However, I just don't want to be involved in any way, shape or form. 0.98

00:45:09.500 This is not our place. This is not our country. I wish them the best. But I don't think you had to

00:45:16.260 work really hard to get the Palestinians to be labeled as woke. Now, again, that might seem a 0.98

00:45:22.080 contradiction because you're like, oh, well, I mean, many of these Muslim countries are incredibly

00:45:27.420 religious and incredibly religiously conservative. And so therefore, shouldn't they clash

00:45:31.620 with gender warriors and communists? And yeah, they should in theory. But as long as you can keep that 0.98

00:45:38.020 central enemy, again, just kind of Red America, then you don't have to worry about the different 0.86

00:45:42.320 contradictions. So I think a lot of that, you know, no matter how you feel about the two sides

00:45:47.900 involved, I think a lot of those lines did fall naturally for better or for worse. Let's see.

00:45:53.960 Cooper Weirdo here for $2. I don't know, but this war, but about this war, but yeah, I'm not sure what

00:46:01.360 that one means. I think that's a joke there, man, but I'm not quite sure of the reference. But

00:46:04.860 thank you very much for your donation there. Staffer speaks for $10. Thank you very much.

00:46:14.320 Diversity hire here at this time, at this time, which would be best, converting your local GOP

00:46:23.180 into adopting positions of the dissident right, working inside the global American empire,

00:46:28.420 Dems and Uniparty as a saboteur. Love your work. Well, thank you very much, man. I appreciate it.

00:46:32.780 So that's a very interesting question. Entryism, for the purpose of sabotage, is an interesting

00:46:40.820 idea. However, I'm going to go with the old accelerationist line that you can't do more

00:46:45.460 damage to the global American empire than it's already doing to itself. Yeah, you could get

00:46:51.300 involved and you could try to make the malicious decisions, I guess, or take it down from the inside.

00:46:56.340 But I'm a little doubtful about really your ability to, as one person do that. I think you're far more

00:47:03.100 likely to get converted, honestly, into the lifestyle or the sympathies of those inside those

00:47:10.500 organizations than it is for you to kind of change us. I will say there are many people I know who are

00:47:18.040 inside the kind of the mainstream Republican Party, the National Republican Party, who are working hard

00:47:25.080 to try to move things to the right. So I don't want to completely dismiss, I would say joining the

00:47:30.860 Dems or any of that stuff, that that's a failing effort. I will say there are people and it's usually

00:47:36.400 not the head people. It's usually, you know, guys working in the office, it's staffers, those kind of

00:47:41.220 things. They're trying to pull things to the right. And in some cases they do succeed and God bless them

00:47:45.540 for it. If you can put up with it, that might be a valuable thing. But in general, I would say you're

00:47:50.780 better off making the community around you more conservative, making the community around you

00:47:57.620 stronger, involving yourself in your church, in your local politics. Sheriff, guys, control the

00:48:04.040 county sheriff. You don't understand how important that role is, especially when you see kind of these

00:48:10.500 radical leftist things like trying to get rid of the Second Amendment and such. The county sheriff is a

00:48:16.740 key position. So I think in general, that is a better use of your time. However, for those who

00:48:21.800 do have the talent or inclination to enter into the mainstream GOP, I think there are some interesting

00:48:28.140 things happening there. I think there are some forces on the new right that are making some headway,

00:48:32.400 but it's certainly an uphill battle. And I would not rest all of my faith in those because I don't

00:48:38.100 think at the end of the day, they have your best centrist at heart. Let's see,

00:48:44.040 Deuce Boogaloo for $50. Well, thank you very much, man. I really appreciate that. Very generous

00:48:49.000 here. Can you explain the libertarian response to Israel-Palestine? Why do they feel compelled to

00:48:53.460 create moral equivalency in every conflict and even defend those who'd end up in a, who'd end them in a

00:48:59.840 second? Why do they refuse to acknowledge any evil that is the U.S. government? I think that's in

00:49:04.520 general because libertarians just hate the state. And because they hate the state, all actions of the

00:49:12.960 state are the wrong actions. And so all people acting against the state must be on the right

00:49:18.840 side. I think that really is kind of the knee-jerk response for, now again, I don't want to say this

00:49:24.900 is every libertarian. I know of a lot of people who call themselves libertarian, who do not have

00:49:29.500 necessarily this reaction. But for kind of this general libertarian anti-statist response, I think

00:49:37.160 that that is kind of where that comes from. That they see the American government as first and

00:49:42.300 foremost the enemy. And to be fair, the American government does a lot more damage than most foreign 0.99

00:49:46.700 countries to most Americans. So it's not entirely unfounded. But I think that does cause them to

00:49:53.920 then again, you know, kind of bring that to the Israel-Palestine conflict. Again, I think that in

00:50:01.740 general, unless you are an Israeli or a Palestinian, this really shouldn't be something that you're

00:50:07.380 kind of heavily emotionally involved in. You don't have a real stake in the game, and you don't even

00:50:14.760 have like a spiritual or emotional stake in the game. And so really, it feels like you're kind of

00:50:19.360 being an emotional weapon for a side that probably doesn't care about you at all. Either way, I don't

00:50:25.900 think either side really cares about you. And so I wouldn't really care about either side. But I know a lot of

00:50:31.700 people disagree with that, but that's just my opinion. Let's see. Thuggo, for $5, Wokeness can be put

00:50:38.700 away because it's fake top-down change designed and enforced by institutions. All right. So this is a

00:50:44.180 good challenge. Thank you for donating and giving me a good challenge here. So is Wokeness a top-down

00:50:52.160 change designed and enforced by institutions? Yes, it is. That's true. However, it has sat in the

00:50:59.100 American kind of mind in kind of the consciousness for so long that I don't think it's entirely top-down

00:51:07.940 anymore. I think that while there are parts of Wokeness that are very artificial, I think that

00:51:15.040 it has wormed its way into, unfortunately, the hearts and minds of a number of people. And while

00:51:21.140 it is fake and top-down, most things are top-down that change and, you know, but most attitudes

00:51:29.880 are enforced by institutions. I agree with you that there is a breaking point at which you can't

00:51:36.760 force any more, that you will just destroy the nation and institutions because of the artificial

00:51:42.660 nature of what you're pushing. However, that won't be Wokeness getting put away so much as

00:51:48.980 just it breaking down. So I disagree that it can be put away because while you're right that it is

00:51:56.740 fake and top-down and enforced by institutions, those people are the ones with power. Those are

00:52:01.160 the ones that drive opinion and they're going to be the ones that continue to kind of enforce

00:52:05.800 ideology so they're only going to accelerate. If you're sitting around waiting for the people to

00:52:10.500 like entirely free themselves from institutions, again, we can just kind of push at the several

00:52:15.360 examples we gave recently, you know, just a few minutes ago of all of these popular movements

00:52:20.540 they're supposed to be pushing back but don't seem to actually convert into any real change because

00:52:25.400 they don't have the support of elite institutions and that really is key.

00:52:30.780 Mint 20 here, again, for five dollars. Waiting for Nancy Pelosi or someone to be featured as based

00:52:36.160 and red-pilled on someone's channel because she lost this conflict. God protect us all.

00:52:41.360 Yeah, again, so the interesting thing is I think that you'll see Nancy Pelosi dragged

00:52:46.980 into the position. I don't think she's going to convert. There will be people who convert. There

00:52:51.220 will be people who are genuinely shocked about, you know, a bunch of Palestinians, you know, 1.00

00:52:56.360 marching in their neighborhood and chanting from the river to the sea. But in general,

00:53:01.640 I think most leftists are just going to go with this. They're just going to ratchet that direction

00:53:05.380 that's been the pattern over and over again. I think Nancy Pelosi as a competent leader, 0.83

00:53:10.740 I mean, say what you want about her. She's a survivor. She knows how to wield power. She 1.00

00:53:15.480 knows how to stay in the good graces of her party. She's probably going to continue to represent 0.97

00:53:19.540 that establishment leftist position. However, that establishment leftist position will slowly

00:53:25.400 but surely shift in the direction of the vanguard. And I think that will be the case with Pelosi.

00:53:30.860 But yes, you should always be on guard against people who are trying to say these people are now

00:53:35.200 based because they lost that showdown. Sharky for five dollars is Israel's ability to legally ban 0.79

00:53:41.400 American boycotts against them proof of their ability to manipulate American policy contrary to

00:53:47.080 public opinion. Obviously, the fact that there are any limits on American boycotts

00:53:54.880 placed there because, you know, to keep you from boycotting a foreign country shows some level of

00:54:03.580 influence, right? Like there's just no way that you can deny that. Obviously, if there are laws

00:54:08.460 specifically designed to protect a foreign country and only a specific foreign country in a specific

00:54:16.020 scenario, it's hard to say there is no influence there. And so I think that's why I think a lot of

00:54:22.380 people expected Palestinians to lose this, expected the more radical elements of the left to lose this

00:54:29.560 because they thought that that influence would be sufficient to keep the leftist vanguard in line,

00:54:34.880 to keep kind of that establishment leftism would serve as a governor and kind of keep the wokeness 1.00

00:54:40.400 from pushing too hard. The reason I wanted to talk about this is that doesn't seem to be the case.

00:54:45.440 People who predicted that the that that was kind of going to keep this from advancing turned out it

00:54:51.940 seems to be wrong. And that makes for a very interesting dynamic. And that's why I wanted to kind of

00:54:57.360 examine this because a lot of people who assumed that, you know, I think it's undeniable that

00:55:02.040 there's a certain level of influence involved when you have laws like that, people who thought that

00:55:06.340 it was overwhelming, it would be that it was the driving force and would remain the driving force

00:55:10.480 in perpetuity. You know, it was kind of the death star of the left. I don't think that's true. And I

00:55:15.820 think you can see that because we're looking at kind of the collapse of that idea in real time,

00:55:20.640 when it comes to the fact that most establishment leftists are kind of having to bend the knee here

00:55:27.560 a little bit to the Palestinian cause. All right, guys, well, I'm going to go ahead and wrap this up.

00:55:34.380 But thank you, everybody, for coming by. If this is your first time here, of course, please make sure

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00:55:52.900 with the algorithm. A couple things, guys. I was over at the Blaze last week, and so you can catch

00:55:59.120 me on a number of shows over at the Blaze. I was a guest on Stu's show. I was a guest on James

00:56:04.660 Bullis' show, Zero Hour. I was a guest on The News and Why It Matters with Sarah Gonzalez. So you can

00:56:11.120 check out different appearances there. Also, of course, please make sure you check out the new Blaze

00:56:15.840 website. My columns are appearing there. I've got a new column that should be coming out in the next

00:56:21.800 day or two. I just turned it in. So make sure that you are checking there so that you can catch all of

00:56:27.080 my work. Thank you once again for coming by, guys. Had a lot of great questions from the chat. And as

00:56:32.340 always, I will talk to you next time.

The Auron MacIntyre Show - November 13, 2023

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