In this episode, Oren explains the role that "wokeness" plays in the ongoing leftist civil war, and why it's not good for the left. He also explains why "wokeess" is bad for the right.
00:08:21.340They are the people who come in and control things.
00:08:24.440That has kind of been their narrative and their reason why they think it's okay to hate people due to the color of their skin if they're white.
00:08:30.800And they have all internalized a lot of that narrative, and they have also now applied it to Israel.
00:08:37.840Israel is a state that is carved out of what was once Palestine.
00:08:42.140You know, obviously, there's a lot of history there.
00:08:44.640The Jewish people have owned it at different times.
00:08:49.240The Arabs people have owned it at different times.
00:08:52.640You know, it's been owned by the Romans and the Christians of all kinds of stripes.
00:08:56.120That area has been very contentious for a long time.
00:09:00.300Ownership has been up in the air for a very long time.
00:09:03.260And so it's all about kind of where and when you want to draw your history.
00:09:07.040But for the current narrative, it's very clear that kind of Israel is the oppressor and the Palestinians are the oppressed.
00:09:13.480And therefore, those who kind of have this woke ideology immediately feel themselves drawn to the more Palestinian side of this conflict.
00:09:22.840And so what you're seeing is the clash between these two groups.
00:09:26.480And it's very interesting because, you know, the left has captured most of the critical nodes of power inside the United States.
00:09:36.020They have almost complete cultural hegemony.
00:09:39.280It's kind of hard to overstate how much they control a lot of what's going on in the United States and the wider West.
00:09:47.500And so it's really hard for the left in some ways because, well, obviously, it's not hard for them because they're winning all this stuff and they control all this stuff.
00:09:55.380It's hard for them because they've got a narrative built in to the leftist idea of the eternal revolution and being oppressed.
00:10:05.160Right. That's part of it. A core part of leftism is being oppressed by the oppressor.
00:10:11.340And what allows for the permanent revolution of leftism is the fact that you're kind of always the underdog.
00:10:17.700You're always the downtrodden. You're always the oppressor.
00:10:19.960Well, if you're in control of every system in the United States, if you're in control of the culture, if you're in control of the media, if you're in control of academia, if you're in control of corporations, which they are, then it's hard to look like the underdog.
00:10:34.600Right. It's hard to look like the oppressed.
00:10:36.640And so you need a new reason or you need a different narrative that kind of brings around the idea that you are under attack.
00:10:46.160Now, the media will come around and they'll dust off MAGA supporters, you know, from like January 6th or something or some guys who are in some kind of, you know, stupid group or something.
00:10:57.320And they'll kind of parade them around and show trials and try to make them look really scary.
00:11:02.360Oh, look, you know, it's an attack on our democracy.
00:11:04.920Yada, yada, yada. But eventually that stuff just kind of looks weak.
00:11:09.960Like you can keep pretending that like evangelical Christians are just about to establish their theocracy or whatever.
00:11:17.320But really, eventually it makes it clear that these people don't really hold power.
00:11:22.260They keep going to jail. They keep getting arrested.
00:11:24.920They keep getting fired from their jobs and all the leftists keep controlling everything.
00:11:29.240And so eventually it just kind of becomes obvious that these aren't real threats to the revolution.
00:11:35.460And if these aren't real threats to the revolution, I mean, they're don't get me wrong.
00:11:39.420They're still going to hold up Red America as the evil thing that they have to suppress in order to control everybody.
00:11:45.280They're still going to talk like that. But but you need more credible threats, right?
00:11:49.260You need more credible threats. You need to build that oppression narrative.
00:11:53.920The people in the Republican Party can't do it.
00:11:57.080So, like, obviously, there's got to be some way in which you can kind of convince people that the revolution can still continue.
00:12:04.400So what Wokeness does, it allows the revolution to continue by allowing the more radical kind of gay race communists in the West to eat the neoliberal tail of the movement.
00:12:15.820So you've got the kind of the establishment liberals, they're kind of the neoliberals, those who embrace, you know, global capital and these kind of things, but but are also kind of for the status quo.
00:12:29.560And then you have your more radical ran vanguard, and they're the ones pushing, you know, trans kids and and, you know, oppressor, oppress narratives, colonization narratives, decolonization narratives.
00:12:43.080And so the thing you want to do if you want to keep the revolution going is you have the vanguard kind of continue to attack the establishment.
00:12:52.080It's not really a new pattern for a communist revolution.
00:12:54.760I mean, you know, stop me if you've heard this one.
00:13:00.560That's kind of the path that all communist revolutions take.
00:13:04.300If you if you continue the revolution, if you allow the revolution to be the driving force of your political power, eventually you have to start eating the establishment, too.
00:13:13.080You have to eat the last revolutionary so that the new revolutionaries can continue to generate power.
00:13:19.140So it's not new that it's happening in the United States or the wider West.
00:13:24.080But the wokeness in particular is a particularly American strain.
00:13:28.880Right. So, you know, in China or in Russia, you would have had more like kulaks and you would have had a more economic enemy, those kind of things.
00:13:37.220I mean, Pol Pot would have had people with glasses, you know, but but in America, there's particularly this narrative of racial strife.
00:13:45.240Of course, this is part of the Gramscian import of Marxism, making sure to focus on things like like like race or gender, you know, biological sex, whatever.
00:13:56.420Or in instead of dealing with class differences, that kind of thing.
00:14:01.320This is kind of the mutation that allowed the revolution to take more hold in the West than than in kind of the class and economic revolution did.
00:14:10.820But but even though it's again, it's not the revolution in its own is not unique.
00:14:14.940But that particular aspect, the wokeness is something that that I think was created specifically to be more effective in the West.
00:14:23.780So by kind of linking the classically pro-Israel institutional liberals to conservatives, the woke can kind of recast themselves as victims of oppression.
00:14:34.300They get to be renegades who are once again punished by a McCarthy reactionaries.
00:14:39.940That's right. You get to you get to say, oh, look at the look at this. I'm being fired from my job.
00:14:44.600I'm being kind of singled out for what I'm doing.
00:14:47.920And that shows that once again, I'm on the edge. I'm the rebel.
00:14:52.140You know, they wouldn't be coming after me if I wasn't saying something dangerous.
00:14:55.080And so all of a sudden you can kind of reestablish your cred as a revolutionary with with the with the left if you kind of glom on to the Palestinian cause.
00:15:05.880Now, I think this is amazing because you can look at headlines from things like Vice magazine and they literally had a I believe it was vice.
00:15:14.140They had a headline that said it feels like the new McCarthyism, how Israel and the Hamas war is redefining the limits of free speech.
00:15:22.480And they're saying, you know, it feels like like the rules of free speech are changing before your eyes.
00:15:27.560Now, you have to you have to have an amazing ideological blindness to believe that this is just a work of raw ideological delusion to think that these people who might may or may not actually be getting fired for their pro-Palestinian stances are the only people getting fired for their political beliefs that this is something new.
00:15:48.780This is the new McCarthyism. This is the new persecution.
00:15:51.560This is changing the rules of the game. Of course, anyone on the right knows that they are being fired left and well, right for their political beliefs.
00:16:00.180Guys can be fired from their own companies.
00:16:03.400You know, the guy with Oracle and Papa John and, you know, all these people, they can get fired from their own companies.
00:16:09.360They can lose control of their own companies for having the wrong political beliefs or stances, these kind of things.
00:16:14.780It's very easy for people to get persecuted at a large, you know, Fortune 500 company or just on social media.
00:16:20.940You know, they can they can get fired by proxy for just having the wrong idea somewhere.
00:16:25.880So, of course, anyone living in the real world knows that people on the right have to shut up constantly.
00:16:30.800They have to sense themselves constantly.
00:16:32.500They have to rewrite their own thoughts constantly in the desperate hope that they're not going to get fired for this stuff.
00:16:39.500And so, you know, the idea that this is suddenly a war on free speech, that this is suddenly a war on the ability to kind of speak your mind when it comes to politics is insane.
00:16:50.860But if you're on the left and you thought like all of that stuff is justified and people on the right aren't real people, well, this might be the first time in a long time you've actually cared about free speech.
00:16:59.280And all of a sudden it's the return of free speech arguments and people at Rolling Stone or, you know, Hollywood Reporter or, you know, Fortune 500 company, they have to be able to say, you know, yay, Palestine.
00:17:10.320And if they get fired for that, well, this is the return of actual, you know, speech enforcement speech codes.
00:17:17.880Again, people on the right have been completely decimated for saying that, you know, men and women are different and, you know, men can't become women.
00:17:24.960It's still up in the air whether or not, you know, content will get removed or people get banned from social media for saying things like that.
00:17:31.860But, of course, none of that matters because it wasn't left wing.
00:17:34.540And so now that the oppressor narrative, the oppressor oppressed narrative can come back.
00:17:39.320And once again, people on the left are the ones that are actually, you know, pushing things and changing things.
00:17:46.740Now, it's really interesting because this, of course, puts left wing Jews in a tight spot if you're a progressive Jewish person.
00:17:53.840And Yuram Harzoni actually had a thread on this that was very interesting yesterday.
00:17:58.300But, you know, they were part of the progressive alliance and they generally, of course, want to continue to be part of the progressive alliance.
00:18:07.080And one of the ways they continue to do that, even though progressive Jews and Muslims should, in theory, of course, be at odds.
00:18:14.480Right. Like that that would make sense that, you know, most Muslim countries aren't big fans of Jews.
00:18:20.040And I think a lot of progressive Jews are perfectly aware of that fact.
00:18:24.380But the reason there was always kind of detente between them is they could kind of point everyone in the progressive coalition at conservative America and be like, well, as long as you go ahead and, you know, hate these people, as long as you go ahead and fight against these people, as long as you're trying to disassemble kind of traditional America.
00:18:42.560Well, then you don't have to look at each other and you don't have to figure out if there's any kind of problems between you.
00:18:47.340But, you know, now that we've got the shift in mass immigration, bringing in a lot more people from many of these Arab countries or other Muslim countries that would kind of innately side with Palestine and you have a lot more of this colonization narrative.
00:19:05.420All of a sudden there's this shift. And, you know, these people who have been sitting in a coalition together suddenly realize that there's more of a faction there than than perhaps they had paid attention to originally.
00:19:19.000So in addition to kind of the colonization narrative that's grown in power as a critical part of woke ideology, it's also been difficult to kind of ignore the Israeli-Palestine narrative when it comes to this colonization issue.
00:19:35.700And it's a different dynamic. You know, you've got a lot of people who were defending Israel out of habit, probably in the establishment left, but it's been made clear to them that actually the vanguard, the people who are kind of pushing things more and more towards a woke direction, are on kind of Team Palestine.
00:19:55.500And if you've been part of a leftist purity spiral, if you've been part of kind of this revolutionary fervor, then you know that you want to be on the vanguard side and not really on the establishment side.
00:20:11.280When it comes to the question of who's going to win a showdown between the establishment and the vanguard, the establishment might be able to, quote unquote, kind of put the woke away for a while.
00:20:23.060However, eventually the vanguard usually triumph. They end up pulling people the direction that they want. They may lose in the short term. They may not have as many of the jobs or those kind of things.
00:20:38.500But it's clear that the way to win a war of kind of ideological purity is to always move towards the woke direction.
00:20:47.500And so this leaves a lot of people in the kind of who are progressive Jews or who were part of kind of the leftist establishment who kind of instinctively wanted to defend Israel.
00:20:59.660It leaves them in a situation where they're going to kind of be on a side that they know is eventually going to lose momentum.
00:21:06.080And if you want to see how that works, you can look kind of what happened with Rashida Tlaib.
00:21:11.280So obviously, you know, you've got someone like Rashida Tlaib and she's got the Palestinian flag around and she's waving it around.
00:21:18.180And to be clear, it's wildly inappropriate for people of any political party or any, you know, nationality to be waving a flag that is not the American flag in Congress or pretty much anywhere else, really.
00:21:35.420But specifically, if you're if you're a congressional representative, if you're a senator, you should not be wearing, you know, Ukrainian flags or Palestinian flags or Israeli flags on your lapels.
00:21:47.340You shouldn't be putting them in your profiles. You shouldn't you know, you are supposed to be there to represent Americans.
00:21:52.680And no matter where they, in theory, came from the idea, if any of this is going to work, if you're going to be and it might not.
00:21:59.720But if any of this kind of, you know, if immigration things are going to work, you have to have a scenario where once people are here, their their loyalty is to America and they are Americans.
00:22:09.120And, you know, they coalesce as one identity as an American and the people who are representing them represent America and not America plus Israel or America plus Palestine or America plus Ukraine or America plus wherever you should be an American and that should be the end of it.
00:22:27.720However, obviously, you know, there's nothing magical about crossing into the United States and many people bring, you know, kind of their previous identities, previous traditions, previous culturals, previous loyalties with them once they're kind of in the United States.
00:22:43.400However, Rashida Tlaib is somebody who obviously is very vocally pro-Palestinian and she was recently censured by the Congress.
00:22:52.440Now, getting censured by Congress doesn't really do anything.
00:22:55.700Technically, it's supposed to be a big deal, but it's not a huge deal.
00:23:00.060However, the interesting dynamic is how she got censured.
00:23:27.120Well, because the vast majority of them probably wanted to be seen as part of the vanguard or not taking a stance on the issue.
00:23:33.880They recognize that actually it might hurt me to come out as kind of against Rashida Tlaib or kind of against Palestine because the vanguard is pushing.
00:23:44.640A lot of people think that there's this kind of clash in the left, but really, again, it serves as kind of the internal revolution that allows the narrative to continue.
00:23:55.940And it also allows them to kind of pull everything leftward.
00:24:00.000And so it's far more likely that Nancy Pelosi is going to take steps towards Rashida Tlaib than Tlaib is going to take steps towards Nancy Pelosi.
00:24:10.220And so you're going to see that dynamic play out kind of over and over again.
00:24:15.180It plays out at the highest levels in Congress, but it's going to play out far more dynamically in places like universities, which are actually far more likely to cave to the vanguard than something like the United States Congress.
00:24:30.340So I think over time, you're going to see that the kind of this this Palestinian side, this woke side, that's going to win out in kind of this leftist civil war now for a lot of.
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00:25:14.020Republicans or right-wingers, you might be thinking to yourself, oh, well, this is great, right?
00:25:18.700I mean, it's great that the left is battling itself.
00:25:21.660It's great that they're fighting amongst themselves.
00:25:23.740Because this internal battle is going to do damage.
00:25:29.500And so isn't that great for the right?
00:25:31.360Doesn't that kind of put the right where it wants to be with the left kind of eating its own?
00:25:36.320And now the right is going to win this thing.
00:25:39.060But I want you to think back because it's not that long ago, right?
00:25:42.880If you look back to kind of the evolution of what we now call wokeness, you can look back to all the way to, I think, its origin at the very least, which is the 1960s and kind of the civil rights revolution.
00:25:57.200And you can look at what happened inside in those institutions.
00:26:01.440A lot of people thought that those institutions were tearing themselves apart.
00:26:05.460That, you know, the university, the students are attacking the campus, blah, blah, blah.
00:26:08.880And, yeah, for a time, it looked like the, you know, kind of the deans of those universities, the establishment of those universities were fighting back against the students in some way, shape, or form.
00:26:20.600However, over time, we saw that actually the students, the wokeness, the progressives, the more radical leftists were actually winning.
00:26:29.560Even though there was a contest inside those institutions, the more radical elements, while they seemed to be pushed out at the time, their indelible mark kind of stood.
00:26:42.860And the people who were more radical are the ones who came back and became professors.
00:26:48.820They're the ones that kind of set the tone going forward.
00:26:51.040And so those institutions, while they resisted, in theory, radicalization somewhat in the 60s, they obviously became far more radical over time.
00:27:02.320And we can see this manifest itself again in the 2000s with kind of the social justice movement, right?
00:27:10.740This is often seen as the precursor to the current wokeness, even though I think it goes back far further.
00:27:15.980And I think a lot of people look at that movement on, you know, at the time, I remember distinctly when all this was happening on campuses with kind of the, you know, the different far leftist factions that were shutting down speakers and holding demonstrations and things in the kind of early to mid 2010s.
00:27:38.120And in a lot of situations, people just looked at that and they said, oh, well, this is the same as the 1960s.
00:27:43.600And they were right about that, but they didn't understand the way in which they meant it.
00:27:46.600They thought, oh, well, in the 1960s, all these kids had to grow up and get jobs.
00:27:50.620And so, you know, eventually this stuff just kind of went away.
00:27:54.040Of course, it didn't go away and it actually became kind of the core doctrine of the United States.
00:27:59.620And the same thing happened again in the in the 2010s.
00:28:02.920All of these SJWs, as they were called at the time, the social justice warriors who were supposed to be these campus radicals that were going to realize that they needed to grow up and get a real job and move on and adopt kind of more bourgeoisie norms and those kind of things.
00:28:19.680What actually happened is they just took their radical ideology and they carried it into the real world with them rather than the real world knocking the ideology out of the rather the radical progressives.
00:28:31.480The radical progressives carried that into the the boardroom.
00:28:37.240And because, of course, universities are the breeding ground for our ruling class, you know, for better or for worse, definitely worse, in my opinion, because that is the place where we train young leaders, where we train the next generation of people who are going to be CEOs.
00:28:53.220They're going to sit on boards, they're going to run military branches, they're going to run for office, like the people who are going to make the media and they're the people who are going to write the books like they're all going to college.
00:29:06.620And because all those people were progressive, radically progressive, they took all that into a ruling class and the politics of the radical left in the college once again became the politics of our ruling class in the boardroom, in the media, in everywhere you can imagine.
00:29:24.160And so I think I would be careful of that, assuming that just because a leftist civil war is occurring, that just because we can see a fissure kind of forming between these two groups in the left, assuming that that means that our enemies are just going to destroy each other.
00:29:39.800Because we always say that, right? The revolution needs its own. The revolution needs its own. Oh, look at the leftists. They're coming after each other again.
00:29:45.960But what happens? Well, the left keeps getting farther left and the middle keeps going further left. And let's be honest.
00:29:54.160The right keeps going further left. And so these purity spirals leftward don't end up destroying progressivism. Instead, they end up dragging the entirety of the culture along with them, right?
00:30:05.640And this is kind of the ratchet demonstration that I've, you know, the illustration, rather, that I've given you guys so many times.
00:30:13.840Today's liberals become tomorrow's conservatives. And so even if we see a lot of kind of these establishment leftists
00:30:21.000shed themselves from the more radical progressive movement, those people don't just fall out of power.
00:30:30.960They move from kind of the left-wing camp over to the right-wing camp. We call this neoconservatism.
00:30:37.860Today, neoconservatism is attached to the idea of going to endless wars. And I use it that way sometimes, too.
00:30:44.000But that wasn't originally kind of what the movement was. Yes, Trotskyites that came over, former communists,
00:30:51.080they did have this idea of the global revolution. And so they were kind of foreign policy interventionists
00:30:57.800that wanted to go to war. But also a large amount of them were just people who got mugged.
00:31:02.420You know, the old saying, a conservative is a liberal that got mugged. And that was really true.
00:31:08.460A lot of people who were subject to violence inside of large American cities, some of them Jewish,
00:31:16.960ended up moving from the left to the right because they realized that kind of the leftist coalition
00:31:24.120was not protecting them. The way that the left is handling things like violent crime was not working
00:31:29.560in American cities. And so the neoconservative movement formed from a lot of people who took
00:31:35.620many leftist priors, but they brought them into the conservative movement. And that ended up being
00:31:42.040something that drove conservatives for a very long time. In fact, to this day, you know, a large amount
00:31:48.580of the kind of moneyed establishment inside the Republican Party inside the right is neoconservative
00:31:55.620in its direction, even if they're not war hawks, though many of them are, as I think we saw from
00:32:00.740everything that happened in Ukraine, they tend to be people who have kind of this neoconservative
00:32:07.480bent of open markets, free markets will kind of solve everything. It's all about economic liberalism.
00:32:12.860You know, that will kind of solve every situation. Well, we should probably have some laws against
00:32:17.320crime. You know, we can't just let every felon out after two years due to racial injustice. We do
00:32:23.960actually have to keep some level of order. And so that's kind of how the liberal establishment
00:32:29.020becomes the conservative establishment. The ratchet always moves one direction, you know,
00:32:34.100the these cast off centrist liberals move over and become central rightists. And because they have a
00:32:42.400lot of clout and connections, they often move into kind of positions of authority. And then they end up
00:32:48.340shifting the conservative movement to the left. And now large chunks of the conservative movement,
00:32:53.880you know, we're just what liberalism was 20 or 30 years ago, which is why, you know, the famous quote
00:33:00.200from Ronald Reagan, you know, I didn't leave the left, the left left me gets repeated so often by
00:33:05.300people who join the right. Well, if if you didn't leave the left, and the left left you, that means
00:33:11.840you're still left wing. That means you're still if you didn't leave the left, okay, they got more radical,
00:33:17.320but you still stayed left wing, which means you're still much further left than the people who were
00:33:21.260conservative. And if the people who were left keep moving over to the conservative camp,
00:33:26.060and they keep drowning out the ideas that were once conservative, then that drags the entire thing
00:33:30.960to the left. So that's kind of the key is this this internal, this eternal revolution that wokeness
00:33:38.840allows, allows the whole neocon cycle to start over again, the woke, the woke faction drags the wider
00:33:47.460Democratic Party, radically left, the establishment liberals understand their kind of dangerous
00:33:54.520position, some of them become more radical, most of them will become more radical, honestly, and will
00:33:59.340join the woke progressives. But some of them will keep kind of their establishment liberal bona fides and
00:34:05.260will move themselves over to the conservative movement, the conservative movement will welcome them in
00:34:10.880because man, more people, right? Amazing. This is how we win. The left is crazy. And this is how we win.
00:34:15.960And so those people come over to the right and they like get positions of leadership, they gain
00:34:21.240influence, they start driving the conversation. And all of a sudden, you have a scenario in which
00:34:27.080the right is adopting many of the beliefs that the left held 20 years ago, and hopes that this will make
00:34:34.620them more electoral appealing to all these people who are being cast off by the progressives. Now, I do
00:34:40.500have, you know, I know this can sound kind of dire. However, I do have some good news for you. While
00:34:46.580Cthulhu does always swim to the left, there is a into this, like there is only so much you can eat up
00:34:55.060this way. There's only so far you can go radically to the left. There's only so many of your revolutionaries
00:35:00.900you can consume before things get wild. Now, we've seen this in many other left wing revolutions, you know,
00:35:07.120Stalin is able to stabilize, you know, the Russian communism for a good while, because he basically
00:35:15.300stops the revolution. He says, nope, we're done now. We're done purity spiraling. He actually brings
00:35:20.780in for better, you know, for lack of a better word, right wing, the right wing version of communism.
00:35:26.400He brings that in and kind of solidifies things. So there is that possibility. That's the bad ending.
00:35:33.840Obviously, we don't we don't want, you know, a left wing dictator to kind of stabilize the revolution,
00:35:40.000even though that I guess that's better than than completely complete destruction in the minds of
00:35:45.060many people. But it's bad overall, unless you think living under Stalin is a good ending. However,
00:35:51.240there is, of course, the other one, which is basically the revolution pushes the institutions to
00:35:57.020the breaking point. Nothing works anymore. And people look for someone who is much more right wing to come in.
00:36:03.840And kind of reform the country, fix these institutions, make things work again, make things
00:36:09.200safe again. At some point, people want to be able to walk the streets. They want to be able to shop at
00:36:13.500the grocery store. And they're less interested in trying to figure out where you fit on the oppression
00:36:18.400scale of gender identity. It might take a while, it takes a long time, and things have to get very bad
00:36:24.060for a lot of that to happen. However, I think that that that is something that is a possibility there
00:36:32.340there is a end to the leftist revolution, it does kind of run out of steam eventually. So I just wanted
00:36:38.200to explain that guys kind of how the the current leftist civil war isn't necessarily I don't want to
00:36:45.160say it's good or bad. It's just part of the it's part of the dialectic. It's part of the system,
00:36:50.040part of the ratchet. It has some upsides, it has some downsides, we should understand the
00:36:55.600mechanics that are at play in this, and not think that just because leftists are fighting, it's good
00:37:00.500for us. But also realize that, you know, while while the ratchet is kind of brutal, and it is it does
00:37:07.100do a lot of damage, there is an end to this there there is only so far that wokeness can run. One of the
00:37:13.660reasons that my buddy academic agent thinks that wokeness will get put away is because of its incredibly
00:37:18.720destructive nature. He basically is looking for managerial Stalin, right? So rather than Stalin,
00:37:24.380the communist, he's looking for like a Tony Blair figure who's a hyper competent manager,
00:37:29.220who just says, Okay, you know, the radical left are just dismantling the country, things are too far,
00:37:35.600we can't land planes, we can't get groceries, we can't pump gas, this is going to destroy civilization,
00:37:41.940we're going to stop the revolution right here. Dial things back a few notches, go back to fresh
00:37:47.040prints as, as academic agent would say, and kind of get things back to a form of liberalism or
00:37:54.080progressivism that was at least manageable, and could allow the country to prosper to some degree,
00:37:59.260have decent lives, that kind of thing. I don't think that's going to happen. I think the mechanical
00:38:03.300advance is necessary to wokeness. But of course, only time will tell. We've got a cigar resting on
00:38:11.200this bed. So I expect to be smoking a fine cigar at the end of this. But but we'll certainly have
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00:39:39.760All right, guys. So let's go ahead and take a look at your questions here. Mint20 for $10. Thank you
00:39:45.720very much, sir. No wasting capital attempting to help one side of the conflict and no attempting
00:39:52.320to onboard whoever loses as a new part of the right. Much like the actual conflict in the ME,
00:39:57.900let them fight each other. Yeah, I'm with you there. And I think that's the right approach.
00:40:03.260Unfortunately, a lot of people have trouble with this level of discipline, but it really needs to
00:40:07.540be instituted on the right. First, understand that you're not winning a whole lot by backing one side
00:40:15.680or the other. If you can somehow increase tensions, force divisions, then with little to no cost for
00:40:26.340yourself, then maybe that's worth it. But in general, it's not really your side. You're not
00:40:32.800really helping yourself by making one side stronger or the other. The most important thing is not trying
00:40:37.740to onboard a bunch of people who get thrown out after this, right? You don't want a bunch of people
00:40:42.900coming around and putting them in leadership positions just because they used to be on the
00:40:47.320other side. This is a really bad habit that the right has. Again, I didn't leave the left. The left
00:40:52.040left me. This is something that the right does all the time. And it's a mistake. You need to
00:40:57.140understand. Yes, there could be serious converts. There could be people who really, truly do see the
00:41:02.200light after this. And they do say, OK, I need to change my ways. However, you'll be able to tell
00:41:07.220the difference because the people who are like, well, I didn't leave the left and I was right this
00:41:12.920whole time and I still believe everything I believe. Those are people who are unrepentant.
00:41:17.600Those are people who don't think they did anything wrong. Those are people who think that
00:41:21.500you should have conformed to them. And they're only over here because the people standing next
00:41:25.400to them got too radical. They're not actually your allies. You will every once in a while get
00:41:29.960someone who truly says, look, I was completely wrong. I'm doing a 180. I'm throwing all of my
00:41:35.400beliefs in the garbage because they were all bad. And I am now on your side. I've met a couple of
00:41:40.620those people. They do exist. You still maybe not rush them to the front of the line when it comes to
00:41:44.980leadership. However, their conversion is far more sincere.
00:41:47.880A life of Brian here for 499. With the Spanish revolt, we can now witness just how impotent
00:41:54.180a massive disorganized mass can be. Yes. For those who don't know, there is a kind of a large
00:42:00.300scale protest against the kind of socialism in Spain. I don't know all of the details,
00:42:06.400so I don't want to speak with a ton of authority. But it is very clear, I think, for a lot of people
00:42:11.660when they look at events like this, that while you might see popular movements, I mean,
00:42:16.100you think about Bolsonaro, then you think about what happened with Trump, you see what happens
00:42:21.020then in Spain. We repeatedly see that just showing up in mass, having a big protest, those kind of
00:42:26.880things, that is not sufficient. That is not an actual plan. It might be at some point a necessary
00:42:33.300part of an overall kind of change in what is happening, but that does not in and of itself
00:42:39.880actually drive change. And so it's a mistake to go out and kind of involve yourself
00:42:44.360in large disorganized movements that have no real objective and are very likely to get punished by the
00:42:51.220regime. You really want to make sure, again, I'm not saying that these things can never be successful,
00:42:56.700but when they're successful, they are attached directly to a well-planned movement that is prepared
00:43:01.020to take power, not kind of loosely moving towards dissatisfaction against a regime that has the
00:43:08.660ability to punish you and does so regularly. Cooper Wheater for $2. I don't want to send soldiers
00:43:14.000to war. That is all. I mean, yeah, I'm with you, man. In this case, I understand what you're saying.
00:43:19.660You know, the United States should not be involving itself in Ukrainian conflicts or the conflict
00:43:26.780between Israel and Palestine. There's just no reason for the United States to be involved in
00:43:31.620these foreign wars like this. I would be careful just saying that, however, that I never want to
00:43:37.800send soldiers to war. I'm not one of these people who's just anti-war. I think that war
00:43:43.580is a part of the human condition and it's going to happen and it's terrible when it does, but it's also
00:43:50.080just part of life and pretending that war is something that we can just eliminate.
00:43:55.520John Lennon style is just as dumb as saying we need to go to war all the time. However,
00:44:01.120I do think we need to be very careful about the wars we engage in and that's kind of why it matters
00:44:06.560that you're loyal first and foremost to your own country because you want to make sure that when you
00:44:11.900go to war, the blood and treasure being spent is spent in the interests of the people of the nation
00:44:17.380and not any others, not the elites of that nation, not the corporations of that nation,
00:44:22.140not any other foreign power, but only for the interests of the people themselves.
00:44:28.480And that's hard to do when you have people who are not really interested in the future of the
00:44:33.400country. Thuggo here for $7. I think the funniest part was trying to make Palestine woke to get Red
00:44:40.260America to accept Israel's problems as their problems. Well, I don't think you had to work that
00:44:46.580hard, to be honest. There is a large amount of loyalty, I think, to Israel in much of the
00:44:56.760establishment conservatism. Again, I think Israel has the right to defend itself. I think the things
00:45:03.820that Hamas did were horrific. However, I just don't want to be involved in any way, shape or form.
00:45:09.500This is not our place. This is not our country. I wish them the best. But I don't think you had to
00:45:16.260work really hard to get the Palestinians to be labeled as woke. Now, again, that might seem a
00:45:22.080contradiction because you're like, oh, well, I mean, many of these Muslim countries are incredibly
00:45:27.420religious and incredibly religiously conservative. And so therefore, shouldn't they clash
00:45:31.620with gender warriors and communists? And yeah, they should in theory. But as long as you can keep that
00:45:38.020central enemy, again, just kind of Red America, then you don't have to worry about the different
00:45:42.320contradictions. So I think a lot of that, you know, no matter how you feel about the two sides
00:45:47.900involved, I think a lot of those lines did fall naturally for better or for worse. Let's see.
00:45:53.960Cooper Weirdo here for $2. I don't know, but this war, but about this war, but yeah, I'm not sure what
00:46:01.360that one means. I think that's a joke there, man, but I'm not quite sure of the reference. But
00:46:04.860thank you very much for your donation there. Staffer speaks for $10. Thank you very much.
00:46:14.320Diversity hire here at this time, at this time, which would be best, converting your local GOP
00:46:23.180into adopting positions of the dissident right, working inside the global American empire,
00:46:28.420Dems and Uniparty as a saboteur. Love your work. Well, thank you very much, man. I appreciate it.
00:46:32.780So that's a very interesting question. Entryism, for the purpose of sabotage, is an interesting
00:46:40.820idea. However, I'm going to go with the old accelerationist line that you can't do more
00:46:45.460damage to the global American empire than it's already doing to itself. Yeah, you could get
00:46:51.300involved and you could try to make the malicious decisions, I guess, or take it down from the inside.
00:46:56.340But I'm a little doubtful about really your ability to, as one person do that. I think you're far more
00:47:03.100likely to get converted, honestly, into the lifestyle or the sympathies of those inside those
00:47:10.500organizations than it is for you to kind of change us. I will say there are many people I know who are
00:47:18.040inside the kind of the mainstream Republican Party, the National Republican Party, who are working hard
00:47:25.080to try to move things to the right. So I don't want to completely dismiss, I would say joining the
00:47:30.860Dems or any of that stuff, that that's a failing effort. I will say there are people and it's usually
00:47:36.400not the head people. It's usually, you know, guys working in the office, it's staffers, those kind of
00:47:41.220things. They're trying to pull things to the right. And in some cases they do succeed and God bless them
00:47:45.540for it. If you can put up with it, that might be a valuable thing. But in general, I would say you're
00:47:50.780better off making the community around you more conservative, making the community around you
00:47:57.620stronger, involving yourself in your church, in your local politics. Sheriff, guys, control the
00:48:04.040county sheriff. You don't understand how important that role is, especially when you see kind of these
00:48:10.500radical leftist things like trying to get rid of the Second Amendment and such. The county sheriff is a
00:48:16.740key position. So I think in general, that is a better use of your time. However, for those who
00:48:21.800do have the talent or inclination to enter into the mainstream GOP, I think there are some interesting
00:48:28.140things happening there. I think there are some forces on the new right that are making some headway,
00:48:32.400but it's certainly an uphill battle. And I would not rest all of my faith in those because I don't
00:48:38.100think at the end of the day, they have your best centrist at heart. Let's see,
00:48:44.040Deuce Boogaloo for $50. Well, thank you very much, man. I really appreciate that. Very generous
00:48:49.000here. Can you explain the libertarian response to Israel-Palestine? Why do they feel compelled to
00:48:53.460create moral equivalency in every conflict and even defend those who'd end up in a, who'd end them in a
00:48:59.840second? Why do they refuse to acknowledge any evil that is the U.S. government? I think that's in
00:49:04.520general because libertarians just hate the state. And because they hate the state, all actions of the
00:49:12.960state are the wrong actions. And so all people acting against the state must be on the right
00:49:18.840side. I think that really is kind of the knee-jerk response for, now again, I don't want to say this
00:49:24.900is every libertarian. I know of a lot of people who call themselves libertarian, who do not have
00:49:29.500necessarily this reaction. But for kind of this general libertarian anti-statist response, I think
00:49:37.160that that is kind of where that comes from. That they see the American government as first and
00:49:42.300foremost the enemy. And to be fair, the American government does a lot more damage than most foreign
00:49:46.700countries to most Americans. So it's not entirely unfounded. But I think that does cause them to
00:49:53.920then again, you know, kind of bring that to the Israel-Palestine conflict. Again, I think that in
00:50:01.740general, unless you are an Israeli or a Palestinian, this really shouldn't be something that you're
00:50:07.380kind of heavily emotionally involved in. You don't have a real stake in the game, and you don't even
00:50:14.760have like a spiritual or emotional stake in the game. And so really, it feels like you're kind of
00:50:19.360being an emotional weapon for a side that probably doesn't care about you at all. Either way, I don't
00:50:25.900think either side really cares about you. And so I wouldn't really care about either side. But I know a lot of
00:50:31.700people disagree with that, but that's just my opinion. Let's see. Thuggo, for $5, Wokeness can be put
00:50:38.700away because it's fake top-down change designed and enforced by institutions. All right. So this is a
00:50:44.180good challenge. Thank you for donating and giving me a good challenge here. So is Wokeness a top-down
00:50:52.160change designed and enforced by institutions? Yes, it is. That's true. However, it has sat in the
00:50:59.100American kind of mind in kind of the consciousness for so long that I don't think it's entirely top-down
00:51:07.940anymore. I think that while there are parts of Wokeness that are very artificial, I think that
00:51:15.040it has wormed its way into, unfortunately, the hearts and minds of a number of people. And while
00:51:21.140it is fake and top-down, most things are top-down that change and, you know, but most attitudes
00:51:29.880are enforced by institutions. I agree with you that there is a breaking point at which you can't
00:51:36.760force any more, that you will just destroy the nation and institutions because of the artificial
00:51:42.660nature of what you're pushing. However, that won't be Wokeness getting put away so much as
00:51:48.980just it breaking down. So I disagree that it can be put away because while you're right that it is
00:51:56.740fake and top-down and enforced by institutions, those people are the ones with power. Those are
00:52:01.160the ones that drive opinion and they're going to be the ones that continue to kind of enforce
00:52:05.800ideology so they're only going to accelerate. If you're sitting around waiting for the people to
00:52:10.500like entirely free themselves from institutions, again, we can just kind of push at the several
00:52:15.360examples we gave recently, you know, just a few minutes ago of all of these popular movements
00:52:20.540they're supposed to be pushing back but don't seem to actually convert into any real change because
00:52:25.400they don't have the support of elite institutions and that really is key.
00:52:30.780Mint 20 here, again, for five dollars. Waiting for Nancy Pelosi or someone to be featured as based
00:52:36.160and red-pilled on someone's channel because she lost this conflict. God protect us all.
00:52:41.360Yeah, again, so the interesting thing is I think that you'll see Nancy Pelosi dragged
00:52:46.980into the position. I don't think she's going to convert. There will be people who convert. There
00:52:51.220will be people who are genuinely shocked about, you know, a bunch of Palestinians, you know,
00:52:56.360marching in their neighborhood and chanting from the river to the sea. But in general,
00:53:01.640I think most leftists are just going to go with this. They're just going to ratchet that direction
00:53:05.380that's been the pattern over and over again. I think Nancy Pelosi as a competent leader,
00:53:10.740I mean, say what you want about her. She's a survivor. She knows how to wield power. She
00:53:15.480knows how to stay in the good graces of her party. She's probably going to continue to represent
00:53:19.540that establishment leftist position. However, that establishment leftist position will slowly
00:53:25.400but surely shift in the direction of the vanguard. And I think that will be the case with Pelosi.
00:53:30.860But yes, you should always be on guard against people who are trying to say these people are now
00:53:35.200based because they lost that showdown. Sharky for five dollars is Israel's ability to legally ban
00:53:41.400American boycotts against them proof of their ability to manipulate American policy contrary to
00:53:47.080public opinion. Obviously, the fact that there are any limits on American boycotts
00:53:54.880placed there because, you know, to keep you from boycotting a foreign country shows some level of
00:54:03.580influence, right? Like there's just no way that you can deny that. Obviously, if there are laws
00:54:08.460specifically designed to protect a foreign country and only a specific foreign country in a specific
00:54:16.020scenario, it's hard to say there is no influence there. And so I think that's why I think a lot of
00:54:22.380people expected Palestinians to lose this, expected the more radical elements of the left to lose this
00:54:29.560because they thought that that influence would be sufficient to keep the leftist vanguard in line,
00:54:34.880to keep kind of that establishment leftism would serve as a governor and kind of keep the wokeness
00:54:40.400from pushing too hard. The reason I wanted to talk about this is that doesn't seem to be the case.
00:54:45.440People who predicted that the that that was kind of going to keep this from advancing turned out it
00:54:51.940seems to be wrong. And that makes for a very interesting dynamic. And that's why I wanted to kind of
00:54:57.360examine this because a lot of people who assumed that, you know, I think it's undeniable that
00:55:02.040there's a certain level of influence involved when you have laws like that, people who thought that
00:55:06.340it was overwhelming, it would be that it was the driving force and would remain the driving force
00:55:10.480in perpetuity. You know, it was kind of the death star of the left. I don't think that's true. And I
00:55:15.820think you can see that because we're looking at kind of the collapse of that idea in real time,
00:55:20.640when it comes to the fact that most establishment leftists are kind of having to bend the knee here
00:55:27.560a little bit to the Palestinian cause. All right, guys, well, I'm going to go ahead and wrap this up.
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