The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Predictable Cancellation of Jon Stewart ｜ 10⧸24⧸23

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00:00:37.140 So I saw last week that they announced that Jon Stewart's show over on Apple TV is over.

00:00:45.280 He launched this new show.

00:00:47.140 It's, you know, he's one of the bigger names on Apple TV.

00:00:49.760 There's not a whole lot going on on Apple TV.

00:00:52.120 But he, you know, he's one of the bigger names over there.

00:00:54.280 And so they launched this show that's basically a rehash of The Daily Show there.

00:00:59.140 And I think it was always kind of doomed from the beginning.

00:01:01.980 I'm going to be talking about that here.

00:01:03.640 We're kind of going to go through the rise and the fall of Jon Stewart.

00:01:07.200 I think that he is a comedian that was for a specific time, reached a certain zenith.

00:01:12.040 And coming back to that formula at this point, kind of in our political cycle, what was kind

00:01:19.760 of doomed from the start.

00:01:21.120 But before we get into all that, guys, I want to tell you a little bit about what's happening

00:01:25.400 with The Blaze.

00:01:26.860 Theblaze.com is, they're launching a new website.

00:01:30.780 I think we've all been to conservative news websites.

00:01:33.740 We all know that they're usually just covered in ads, like often really ugly ads.

00:01:39.040 And you just can't read anything.

00:01:40.480 You can't find anything.

00:01:42.020 And the reason they had to do that was for their monetization model.

00:01:45.400 Look, we all know that big tech is against conservatives.

00:01:48.960 They're against the right wing.

00:01:50.700 You know, they don't want anything that's off the narrative.

00:01:52.820 And so it's very hard for companies to set up ad revenue with them.

00:01:57.400 And so you always had these ads everywhere.

00:01:59.440 And it was just a big hassle.

00:02:00.880 And the good news is that they're launching this new website and they're getting rid of

00:02:04.320 all that stuff.

00:02:05.120 They're going completely ad free and it looks much better.

00:02:08.500 It's much better layout.

00:02:09.580 It's much cleaner.

00:02:10.520 I really like the way that they have the op-ed stuff set up.

00:02:13.240 You can find everything much better.

00:02:14.620 It's just a much better experience.

00:02:17.360 So you should definitely go check that out.

00:02:19.240 It's nice because, you know, along with obviously just the ugliness of ads, the constant fear of

00:02:26.160 demonetization meant that you had to worry about what was getting published on the website.

00:02:30.100 You have to worry about whether even the ads you have on there are going to get pulled.

00:02:34.760 And most importantly, forgetting all the money, you know, whatever money people are making,

00:02:38.720 most importantly, big tech uses demonetization to censor stories.

00:02:44.480 So by getting a story demonetized, that means that it gets put down in the algorithm.

00:02:50.380 It gets deranked.

00:02:51.300 It gets deprioritized.

00:02:52.980 And the big stories that you want out there, stuff about things like COVID or Hunter Biden's

00:02:57.560 laptop that you know should have been known by the public, they get censored because they

00:03:02.180 get shoved down in the algorithm because they've already been hit with the demonetization

00:03:05.540 strike.

00:03:06.280 So the nice thing about the new model is it allows the Blaze to run the kind of stories

00:03:09.740 at once without you having to kind of wade through everything.

00:03:12.920 Of course, that means that, you know, they're relying on your support, you know, and that

00:03:17.320 comes through, of course, a subscription to the Blaze TV, but also you can just subscribe

00:03:22.200 to portions of the website.

00:03:23.360 Look, most stuff is still not behind a paywall, but most stuff is still there for you.

00:03:27.120 And it just looks better.

00:03:28.020 It's just nicer to read.

00:03:28.900 So that convenience is there for you either way.

00:03:31.020 But if you want to support them, if you want to throw, you know, something to the Blaze

00:03:33.980 because they're out there providing good services and they're doing it without making you

00:03:38.280 have to look at all these terrible ads and not getting demonetized and controlled by big

00:03:42.360 tech, then you can go check out theblaze.com.

00:03:44.920 I think you're really going to like the new layout.

00:03:47.320 So, guys, let's go ahead and talk a little bit about Jon Stewart.

00:03:51.360 So I think if you grew up at a time like I did, you know that Comedy Central and The

00:03:58.320 Daily Show had a big impact on culture.

00:04:01.520 I grew up as I'm a late Gen X or early millennial, depending on kind of what scale you use.

00:04:09.140 But I grew up right in that sweet spot for kind of the rise of The Daily Show.

00:04:14.180 First, you get that first season or two with Craig Kilbourne and then

00:04:17.000 Jon Stewart comes on the scene.

00:04:18.660 And that's really where the whole thing took off.

00:04:21.540 And I still remember fondly episodes of that show, you know, the one where they had George

00:04:28.320 Bush and Al Gore and they had the election and they were tabulating the votes and they

00:04:34.980 had to appeal to to the Legion of Doom and Justice League and stuff.

00:04:40.360 I can still remember those bits.

00:04:41.660 They were very funny there.

00:04:43.080 And I think they were genuinely funny, to be fair.

00:04:45.340 Like, obviously, The Daily Show was very biased.

00:04:48.480 And that was kind of the beauty of its Trojan horse.

00:04:51.400 It's its cultural Trojan horse. 0.91

00:04:53.960 Guys like me, even though, you know, I was raised very conservative, I had I had listened

00:04:59.280 to conservative talk radio for years on my own.

00:05:01.560 My parents didn't really listen to it, but I was, you know, a very normal person who just

00:05:05.460 listened to conservative talk radio when they were a kid.

00:05:07.700 And so so I like I knew a lot of this bias was there.

00:05:12.380 I knew that I didn't agree with many of the points being made, but it was just presented

00:05:17.000 in such a slick and funny package that I didn't really care.

00:05:20.380 And I grew up, you know, even though I was conservative, my understanding of a lot of

00:05:25.140 political communication, like so many people in my generation, was formed by things like

00:05:29.940 The Daily Show and The West Wing.

00:05:32.380 I know that's super cringe at this point, but it's just true.

00:05:35.320 Like that's just how even conservatives kind of saw the world.

00:05:38.960 That's how they saw political communication.

00:05:41.440 It just shaped the zeitgeist of a lot of people.

00:05:45.420 And so with Jon Stewart in that role, I think it really gave the rise of infotainment.

00:05:51.820 Now, don't get me wrong.

00:05:53.020 News media had been a form of entertainment for a very long time.

00:05:56.960 Of course, people got together around the TV and watch the evening news.

00:06:00.600 People bought newspapers.

00:06:01.720 There were newsreels in front of movies.

00:06:05.080 You know, consumption of news had always been a product and therefore to some level

00:06:09.080 entertainment that had been true for a very long time.

00:06:11.720 But what we started to see with the rise of things like The Daily Show was that comedy

00:06:17.680 had to be infused in your politics.

00:06:20.100 You had a little more infotainment, a little more bombastic stuff with guys like Rush Limbaugh

00:06:25.720 and talk radio that that kind of got away from the stodgy newscaster idea of journalism.

00:06:33.780 But you didn't really get this constant injection of irony, never taking anything too seriously

00:06:40.280 until you really got to The Daily Show, I think.

00:06:43.200 I think that was that was kind of a critical transition to the way Americans saw news.

00:06:47.640 And that made it the perfect vehicle for that age because it was this deeply cynical look at things.

00:06:54.760 Politics had always been something very serious.

00:06:56.940 Even when you got to talk radio, it was still treated as if it was something that was very serious.

00:07:01.980 It was understood that politics altered the course of the nation.

00:07:06.340 It impacted the way that that the nation was going to grow in the moral direction and the moral vision.

00:07:12.340 You know, it is understood these were significant things of weight.

00:07:15.480 But of course, what had been very useful for the left, especially, I mean, almost exclusively, really,

00:07:22.500 was the need to demystify these things to make them less sacred, right, to make them less serious.

00:07:27.620 So being serious about culture was highly mocked in the 80s.

00:07:32.520 You saw the religious right get mocked relentlessly in the 80s for taking culture seriously.

00:07:38.480 Oh, why do you care what people do in their own bedrooms?

00:07:41.000 Why do you care about what music's playing or what's on TV, right?

00:07:45.080 So the attempt by parents or Christians or anyone, really, to take culture seriously was considered a problem.

00:07:54.900 And then by the time we got to The Daily Show, that had moved into the realm of the political.

00:08:00.360 Politics had been solved.

00:08:01.460 We've gotten to kind of the end of history, right, especially once you have Barack Obama.

00:08:05.900 You don't need to take politics seriously anymore.

00:08:09.840 It's just something to laugh at.

00:08:11.560 You don't really need to address the arguments of the other side.

00:08:15.000 You're not in an exchange of ideas with someone who might have a relevant viewpoint, a different way to see the world.

00:08:22.400 You just dismiss them by laughing at them, right?

00:08:25.320 And this was kind of the style that Jon Stewart took.

00:08:29.200 He was famous for a couple different things.

00:08:32.960 One is the snarking to the audience, right?

00:08:35.340 It's the looking and snarking.

00:08:36.820 He didn't really deliver a refutation of anything like a politician would say.

00:08:41.840 You know, they just aggressively edited things to make them look as absurd as possible.

00:08:46.020 And then Jon Stewart would just kind of mug at the camera without really making any kind of joke, but just an absurd face.

00:08:53.400 And the audience would respond to that.

00:08:55.440 They would laugh.

00:08:56.100 And, you know, just having kind of that seal clapping behind him constantly was a big feature of the show.

00:09:02.380 So that was one thing was the mugging for the camera.

00:09:04.920 Another thing he got famous for was kind of this clown nose on, clown nose off approach to things.

00:09:10.980 So even though you weren't supposed to take politics seriously, in theory, Jon Stewart knew that actually politics was deadly serious.

00:09:20.200 And he played this very well, right?

00:09:21.960 So he'd be joking.

00:09:23.320 He'd be doing these bits.

00:09:24.720 And then all of a sudden he would pause and he would give a sermon.

00:09:29.000 He would give a speech, a fiery oratory in the manner that, you know, a talk radio host would do.

00:09:35.020 He would adopt that affectation in many ways, and he would inject a very serious moment into things.

00:09:42.380 He especially did this during interviews.

00:09:44.080 So whenever he was in an interview with someone who disagreed with him, a rival, a conservative or something, you know, he would constantly be mocking.

00:09:51.920 He'd be laughing.

00:09:53.100 If they came back with a good point, he would just give them the, hey, man, I'm just a comedian.

00:09:57.620 You know, that's not really the way I think about things.

00:10:01.560 You know, we're just joking here.

00:10:02.820 Don't take everything so seriously.

00:10:04.140 But the minute he trapped somebody in a point, he went for the throat.

00:10:08.020 He suddenly became a preacher.

00:10:09.620 He suddenly became a moralizer.

00:10:11.780 He suddenly brought a fiery vengeance on to whoever he had just caught in his trap.

00:10:16.200 So he had this clown nose on, clown nose off thing where it was, you know, I'm just a comedian.

00:10:20.960 I'm just joking.

00:10:22.200 None of this is serious until I think I can make a point and advance the ball.

00:10:26.380 And then I'm going to get cutthroat.

00:10:28.640 Everything is deadly serious.

00:10:30.360 I'm going to have my audience condemn you.

00:10:31.940 I'm going to have everyone attack you.

00:10:33.140 And that was a constant tactic.

00:10:35.000 And then, of course, he was also very famous for, like, aggressively editing interviews.

00:10:40.360 They'd have somebody on.

00:10:41.860 They would cut out a lot of the parts where Stewart did poorly or lost or something inconvenient came up.

00:10:46.940 They would only bring in things where he did well.

00:10:49.600 You know, hour-long interviews got cut down to less than 10 minutes.

00:10:53.460 This was a very consistent tactic used by Stewart to kind of bring about, you know, this air of invincibility.

00:11:02.220 If you can just get on and be smug and you can mug for the audience and you can, you know, use this clown nose off, clown nose on kind of defense mechanism, then you can just control the world.

00:11:14.300 You can control all the ways that people kind of understand politics.

00:11:18.300 And this was very effective.

00:11:19.660 In fact, it was so effective that it's kind of spun out into multiple other shows.

00:11:24.300 Most of those were less effective.

00:11:26.220 You had, like, the terrible Samantha Bee one that was just an embarrassment. 0.99

00:11:30.260 You did have the British one who suddenly escaped my mind. 0.95

00:11:35.340 John Oliver.

00:11:37.020 You had the John Oliver one.

00:11:38.260 He was one of the more amusing pundits when he was on the show.

00:11:41.000 That one was a little more successful, though he still has a terrible show that is not very, you know, that uses all of the same tactics that John Stewart did.

00:11:48.980 He's still doing the same kind of song and dance routine all this time later.

00:11:54.560 It's lost a lot of its effectiveness.

00:11:55.840 And that was one of the big problems the Daily Show started to run into is people just got wise to the game.

00:12:02.600 You know, conservatives stopped giving interviews.

00:12:04.340 People stopped showing up to this.

00:12:06.140 They, you know, because they just knew they were going to be deceptively edited.

00:12:09.440 They knew that they were going to get lied to.

00:12:11.440 They knew that they were going to be manipulated.

00:12:13.380 And there's just no reason to really, you know, show back up to this.

00:12:17.060 And so that started to affect the quality of the show.

00:12:19.340 But I think in general, even though, you know, the quality of the show did go down, John Stewart eventually kind of stepped away on top.

00:12:28.060 You know, yes, the quality had declined.

00:12:31.180 However, he realized kind of where the Daily Show was going.

00:12:35.700 He knew that this was not going to be a vehicle.

00:12:38.060 And so so he gracefully exited at the time where, yeah, you could see maybe there might be a decline, but it was still something that was well regarded.

00:12:45.620 He was still seen as influential.

00:12:47.280 He was still seen as well loved.

00:12:48.980 And so he kind of he kind of got out at the right moment.

00:12:53.080 And, you know, the incept Trevor Noah has just never been funny at all.

00:12:59.500 I think I've seen a thousand Trevor Noah clips, you know, get played over social media in the time that he's been a part of that show.

00:13:06.880 And I don't know that I've ever laughed once.

00:13:08.760 I mean, again, I knew Stewart was biased.

00:13:10.920 I knew that, like, he was cynical.

00:13:12.720 I knew that he was lying about a lot of stuff and he was being deceptive, but at least there were funny moments, you know, like there's still at least objectively funny moments.

00:13:20.720 They weren't all, you know, he did a lot of mugging for the camera.

00:13:22.920 He did a lot of manufacturing labs with with kind of audience noise and stuff.

00:13:27.000 But there were genuinely funny skits and things involved somewhere in the Daily Show.

00:13:32.680 I was just completely absent from Trevor Noah.

00:13:34.880 He's just talentless.

00:13:36.120 And I don't know how he got, you know, selected for that other than, I don't know, he hit enough diversity boxes or something, I guess.

00:13:43.860 But it just just never been funny.

00:13:46.100 It was never very interesting.

00:13:48.080 And obviously, the the mystique of the Daily Show has declined significantly.

00:13:54.100 It's no longer the kind of this central cultural force that it tended to be, you know, at the time I was watching it when I when I was younger in high school and in college.

00:14:04.220 They're just there's just has lost all kinds of event television that it used to be at that time.

00:14:12.240 It lost that cultural power and status.

00:14:14.400 I want to talk a little more about that, guys.

00:14:16.380 I want to get into kind of why that ended up getting lost in kind of the Meilu here.

00:14:24.280 Sorry, just one second.

00:14:25.820 But I want to go ahead and get into I want to get into kind of why Jon Stewart's reemergence, what was was a failure.

00:14:43.860 Obviously, when you go out on top like that, you have a lot of cultural cachet.

00:14:48.240 When you go out on top like that, it's like Jordan stepping out at the height of things, you know, he can't do this forever.

00:14:56.060 So it's best to kind of step away while you while you kind of still have that momentum, still have that aura of invincibility around you.

00:15:04.060 And again, this guy was very, very key to forming the political imaginations of even conservatives at the time.

00:15:10.320 The way that we should address politics, the way that we should value things, this is all this is all a standard that Stewart set.

00:15:18.640 And when he walked away, that model for infotainment politics, that model for kind of kind of making things less sacred, less less serious, constantly mocking that kind of stuff.

00:15:32.860 That was still kind of the paradigm.

00:15:35.200 That was still the way that you should deliver your show if you wanted to be successful.

00:15:40.060 That was that was viewed as kind of the top, the top way to kind of get your message across, even if Stewart was losing his step, if the show is losing his step.

00:15:48.240 But when he came back from when he came back from kind of that hiatus, that's where obviously things kind of fell apart for him.

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00:18:34.780 All right, guys, so Jon Stewart comes back, and obviously, like I said, you should know when to fold him, right?

00:18:42.780 Stewart was on the top of his game.

00:18:45.360 He was seen as this luminary part of the end of history, you know, one of these guys who wielded a lot of influence, well-loved and well-respected, especially by progressives.

00:18:58.080 Yeah, he went out on top, and that's where he should have stayed.

00:19:00.580 But as so often the case, they can't just stay out of the ring, right?

00:19:05.460 He could have done movies somewhere.

00:19:08.020 He could have done other things.

00:19:10.020 You know, he was a comedian, obviously.

00:19:11.780 Go out on tour.

00:19:12.640 He can do big-budget movies.

00:19:16.300 That's another career path.

00:19:17.660 You know, you don't need to go back to what you were doing before.

00:19:20.340 I know you were famous for it, but, you know, there's no reason to return back to that.

00:19:25.020 Well, you've already pumped it dry, and at this point, you've already handed the baton to somebody else, and Trevor Noah, even though it was a failure.

00:19:30.600 And there's multiple people copycatting you, you know, Samantha Bee and John Oliver.

00:19:35.420 So there's really no reason to kind of reconstitute your show in another place, but that's exactly what he did.

00:19:43.020 See, the landscape had changed after Stewart had left.

00:19:46.780 One of the reasons Stewart became as big as he was was that there was still very few options when it came to television.

00:19:55.920 I mean, you had cable TV, so, you know, we're not talking about the four-channel era of the 1950s or 60s, but you still had most people focused on cable, television, there weren't as many channels, there certainly weren't streaming services, the internet wasn't as big a thing.

00:20:13.760 And so there was this general cultural moment around The Daily Show.

00:20:18.400 It was the way that everybody processed news, and Stewart was so well-respected because he kind of served that function almost as America's news anchor, for better or for worse, well, most definitely for worse.

00:20:30.920 He became the Walter Cronkite of kind of his time, that next evolution of what would be a common cultural touchstone.

00:20:40.600 And when he came back, that wasn't the case.

00:20:43.220 Like I said, the market was flooded with all these, these lookalike programs or literally the same program under Trevor Noah.

00:20:50.300 And so he's entering a flooded market that was defined by something he had already done.

00:20:54.360 And on top of that, he's joining a streaming service, Apple TV, trying to put together the streaming service.

00:21:00.240 And they want to do something, I guess, you know, HBO had John Oliver and then it had Bill Maher.

00:21:08.320 And so they kind of wanted to do something similar with Jon Stewart for their show.

00:21:14.340 Makes sense, right?

00:21:15.160 He's the guy, he's the originator of this kind of entertainment.

00:21:17.920 So reasonable, I guess, at least on Apple's part, to think this guy should be part of this.

00:21:22.620 The problem is the landscape had changed radically under, you know, under Stewart's feet.

00:21:30.340 Not only did the digital decentralization mean that he could no longer rely on that kind of cultural force to drive interest to his program and kind of give him the weight that he needed to kind of push things forward.

00:21:44.940 But he also had a huge problem in the fact that the political winds had changed.

00:21:50.540 There was no longer this need to take things less seriously.

00:21:54.240 Again, Stewart built his career on basically laughing at politics, not taking political challengers seriously, not really addressing issues.

00:22:05.120 He made people look stupid.

00:22:07.260 That was his job and made people laugh at serious issues and not really address them.

00:22:12.400 That was his whole focus.

00:22:13.840 But that's not what the left was doing anymore.

00:22:16.100 See, Stewart's comedy was very good at dismantling what was left of conservative culture.

00:22:21.720 When you were tearing apart Christians and conservatives and patriotism and the military and all these things, when you were destroying all these foundational parts of our culture, Stewart was the right weapon for that because his ability to mock and be unserious and grant the whole thing an air of absurdity was very powerful.

00:22:45.560 However, that was no longer the mode that the left was in.

00:22:49.260 The culture had fundamentally changed.

00:22:51.720 And now progressives were looking towards wokeness.

00:22:55.340 They were looking to create a positive vision.

00:22:59.440 I mean, not that we would see it that way, but in their minds, they were trying to build up a new way to live, a new moral vision to follow.

00:23:10.100 They were done tearing down.

00:23:11.900 I mean, they're still tearing down.

00:23:13.000 They're still deconstructing.

00:23:13.980 But the power of deconstruction had waned and they were looking for a way to assemble a new vision, a new woke vision that could replace kind of religion and family and truth and beauty with something else that could still kind of bind the culture together.

00:23:31.380 And so Stewart was perfect for the moment in which deconstruction was the key, where he was still had a chance to throw, you know, things at people who looked more powerful than him to make he could make people who were supposed to be powerful look absurd.

00:23:48.220 That was a powerful thing he was able to do, obviously, like this guy basically just made a fortune making fun of George W. Bush.

00:23:55.540 It's not that hard, but he was the right man for the job at the time.

00:23:59.720 Again, the world had changed and that's no longer the world that Jon Stewart is asked to perform in.

00:24:06.320 In the new world, Jon Stewart has to glom on to wokeness.

00:24:11.840 He has to affirm the new dictates of kind of the world we're in now.

00:24:17.820 And that's where he really stumbled.

00:24:19.380 That got very painful.

00:24:21.040 He was still trying to do some of the comedy he did, tearing down, you know, these people that he used to.

00:24:26.280 But it just no longer had the weight.

00:24:28.680 It no longer had the power that it once had because those people no longer had the power they once had.

00:24:33.740 It was too clear that he was just punching down constantly, that he was just attacking people who were socioeconomically, just, you know, social status.

00:24:42.280 Everything was just below his own.

00:24:44.400 It was very clear that the establishment was on Stewart's side at this point.

00:24:50.400 And so the idea that he could harass the powerful, he could bring them low, he could make them look absurd, that just wasn't there anymore.

00:24:56.960 And again, it's not what the left wanted anymore.

00:24:58.600 They didn't want politics to be absurd anymore.

00:25:01.300 They wanted them to be serious.

00:25:03.940 They wanted politics to be holy.

00:25:05.820 That's a big part of what wokeness is.

00:25:07.720 The funny thing about, of course, wokeness is the more holy you try to make it, the more absurd things get.

00:25:12.760 But, you know, obviously their worldview is warped, so they don't see that.

00:25:16.800 But that was the new world in which Stewart existed, is a world in which you needed to create a positive moral vision.

00:25:23.860 And you needed these things to become re-sacralized in a political context.

00:25:29.280 So everything was very serious all of a sudden.

00:25:31.780 It was very, very important to treat issues of race and sexual identity and everything else as just the most important things a person could imagine.

00:25:40.860 And insulting them, making light of them, bringing any kind of levity to the situation, that was a huge issue.

00:25:47.480 And you could see it in Stewart's performance.

00:25:50.100 He looked tired and haggard most of the time.

00:25:53.660 You know, he had lost kind of that jovial nature that he had constantly brought even to the most serious issues, issues of war and everything else that he had once joked about.

00:26:04.160 This guy was joking about, you know, dead children in foreign nations, and he had no problem keeping a joviality about him during that.

00:26:13.000 But all of a sudden, he couldn't make jokes about, you know, someone's attempt to become a woman.

00:26:18.880 These things that are obviously absurd, he could no longer bring any kind of comedic context to.

00:26:25.360 And you could tell that this really was wearing on Jon Stewart.

00:26:28.980 He wasn't made for this time.

00:26:31.500 Guys like Bill Maher can still get away with a little bit of that shtick because Bill Maher has couched himself as kind of the anti-woke liberal, right?

00:26:43.460 So he's – it's delusional.

00:26:45.660 You know, conservatives shouldn't fall for it.

00:26:47.860 People should stop pretending that Bill Maher is on their side.

00:26:51.140 But the reason Bill Maher still kind of works is Bill Maher can still rail against the most absurd leftist stuff because he's taken this position of, okay, I'm a liberal, but there's a line at which we cross into this positive vision thing that I'm not on board with.

00:27:06.860 And so he still gets to attack the positive vision.

00:27:09.720 It's just instead of attacking the positive vision of religion, traditional morality, the church, the family, you know, American patriotism, all that stuff, instead he gets to attack the positive vision of wokeness.

00:27:21.720 And that's working for him to some degree.

00:27:23.640 He still has some jokes that are funny, not as much as people tell – you know, he's just not as funny as people pretend he is.

00:27:29.520 But at least he still has got some things that land, and at least he still says some things that are correct.

00:27:34.280 And so he still has some cultural relevance because he gets to have leftists on.

00:27:39.100 He gets to play kind of their game and speak their language to some extent.

00:27:45.220 But then he also still gets to kind of throw slings and arrows at people who are clearly more powerful, and so that bit still works for him.

00:27:53.720 Jon Stewart doesn't have that option.

00:27:55.100 He's completely bought in to left-wing propaganda.

00:27:57.760 He's not willing to take a stance against political correctness.

00:28:01.300 I mean, he's said words here and there, but it's very clear by the way that he's been conducting himself that he's bought in to all these new narratives.

00:28:10.080 And it's become a disaster for him because the show was already suffering from, again, like his just inability to be jovial, and it's already a tired formula, and there's already a million competitors.

00:28:22.360 There's already all those problems with kind of the way that Jon Stewart was attempting to do the new show.

00:28:28.220 But on top of that, Jon Stewart started doing, like, struggle sessions.

00:28:33.700 He stopped being the guy who was joking, and he became the joke.

00:28:38.840 People would come on and berate Jon Stewart for, you know, all kinds of privileges that he had.

00:28:46.660 And he took on the guilt of everyone.

00:28:49.720 You know, he did shows about the problem of whiteness. 0.64

00:28:52.760 He did these anti-white tirades and cast himself as one of these people and that he was punishing himself.

00:28:59.360 And so all of a sudden, this, you know, this show that was all about, at one point, this formula that was all about breaking down standards, breaking down morality, breaking down positive visions and mocking the seriousness of politics and mocking the, you know, the idea that you would take your culture or what's happening to your country seriously.

00:29:20.460 That got turned around, and now there's a show that was almost entirely about Jon Stewart just berating, you know, himself and people he associated himself with while also attacking, you know, just everything that he once did, everything he once stood for.

00:29:40.400 It's like Jimmy Kimmel, who once used to be on The Man Show and now does all these politically correct jokes.

00:29:44.840 It had that same feel where there's a really struggle session is the name for it.

00:29:48.160 There's just this constant need to say to the audience, I'm guilty, I'm the one at fault, you know, and I need to be a better ally and I need to listen.

00:29:57.560 It's like a constant HR mea culpa that he was just doing over and over and over again.

00:30:02.640 And it just lost anything of value.

00:30:05.060 It became very clear that, you know, he was just not able to do anything.

00:30:09.220 And he tried to get back into, you know, the rhythm of going on and bringing in conservatives and cutting up the interview and making them look stupid.

00:30:18.160 But like I said, at this point, everyone knew the game.

00:30:21.000 Everyone of any kind of real standing knew not to get involved.

00:30:24.320 So increasingly, Stewart went from, you know, getting major conservative authors who wanted to hop their book and major conservative politicians who thought they would own points with or earn points with the youth.

00:30:35.140 And he started getting just, you know, random state senators from, you know, flyover states in the middle of the country.

00:30:41.840 It was just absurd.

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00:31:16.560 And so Stewart really ran into this problem where there was just no mojo.

00:31:21.140 There's no formula left.

00:31:22.440 He had exhausted all of the weapons that he had in his arsenal.

00:31:27.600 And they had just lost all of their cultural cachet.

00:31:31.960 He no longer had that centralized ability to drive the narrative like he did when he was on Comedy Central.

00:31:37.320 And that was really the only show doing what he was doing.

00:31:40.020 It was already tired and repeated by so many other people.

00:31:42.780 He could no longer make the jokes that he used to make.

00:31:45.280 He had become overly serious.

00:31:46.620 He had lost that kind of playful banter thing that he relied on so much when he had the show originally.

00:31:52.780 And so the Apple TV show was just floundering in many ways.

00:31:56.540 Now, don't get me wrong.

00:31:57.640 Again, Apple TV doesn't have that much original programming.

00:32:02.560 Certainly not in the realm of comedy news.

00:32:05.160 And so they were still willing to continue the show.

00:32:08.460 It was moving into its third season.

00:32:10.960 However, Stewart started running into some problems.

00:32:14.300 Most notably, the one was that he and Apple were no longer aligned on certain things.

00:32:20.860 Stewart wanted to do shows criticizing China.

00:32:23.260 He wanted to talk about some subjects like AI.

00:32:25.420 And Apple was just not comfortable with his public disagreement with a lot of things that they were moving the direction of.

00:32:32.520 Obviously, Apple is very reliant on kind of this relationship with China and the Chinese government.

00:32:40.180 China is famously not yet doesn't really, you know, broker deals with people who constantly berate them, who constantly bring insults towards them or criticize them.

00:32:50.460 And so Apple looked at what Stewart was planning to do, and they said, we need you to stop doing this.

00:32:55.740 And that caused kind of Stewart to walk away.

00:32:58.900 And, you know, to some degree, good for him.

00:33:01.060 You know, there's a level of principle there.

00:33:03.160 But I think he also saw the writing on the wall.

00:33:05.220 He also kind of knew that the show was floundering, that he had lost a step, that his time had kind of passed him by.

00:33:12.940 He was no longer relevant in the world of today.

00:33:16.500 I literally cannot think of a single time someone shared a clip of the problem with Jon Stewart as if it was some kind of good thing, you know, as if it was funny and it was something, you know, it was only it was only because it was cringe or he had done another ridiculous segment or it was stupid or it was another struggle session as the only only reason that it was ever around.

00:33:37.660 And so it was very clear as cultural relevance was gone.

00:33:39.920 And it was a good time, good reason to fold things up.

00:33:43.740 And it's really appropriate that Stewart be canceled by somebody like Apple, because that just represents so much about what's happening in the progressive movement right now.

00:33:54.960 Guys like Stewart, while Stewart obviously was very rich and very famous and gained a lot of power by working with huge media companies, he existed at a time where the left could still pretend that they were the underdogs.

00:34:07.840 And he could still do things like rail against big corporations, even though he was on a big corporation, you know, like he could still do that kind of stuff.

00:34:15.540 And it would still be plausible to some extent that the narrative still felt culturally relevant.

00:34:22.320 And now it's so clear that progressives own corporate America woke, woke, you know, woke, woke capital is just a real thing.

00:34:32.940 It's obvious to everybody that these are the people who are kind of controlling everything.

00:34:38.620 Your bank will confirm your pronouns, you know, that Apple is out there making donations to BLM.

00:34:45.400 Is it riots across the country?

00:34:47.420 These are the kind of people who will do everything they can to double down on the woke narrative, which is probably why Stewart felt pressured to kind of do the struggle session episodes in the first place.

00:34:58.500 However, at the same time, they're willing to bow to totalitarianism and censorship from something like the Chinese government.

00:35:07.980 And so it's very clear that, you know, they're only progressive in the sense that it gives them some level of cultural cachet and power.

00:35:15.700 I mean, they are I think there are true believers in these corporations.

00:35:19.320 I think they are captured by the ideology, but it's just very clear that the principle of we don't take these things seriously or, you know, we have a commitment to truth or something like that.

00:35:30.540 All that goes out the window the minute that, you know, business with China might be disrupted.

00:35:34.780 And so they're totally willing to tell that one of their main talents whose job it is to mock power that he really needs to sit down and, you know, shut up when it comes to China, because at the end, of course, John Stewart's job isn't to mock power.

00:35:48.920 John Stewart's job was to align with power even way back in The Daily Show is very clear.

00:35:54.480 John Stewart was picking up the corpses of what had once been powerful in the United States by the time that he became popular.

00:36:03.000 And that was so true of the 80s, 90s, early 2000s.

00:36:07.900 It was very clear that Christianity and the traditional family and conservatism, you know, just just patriotism, all of these things were being hollowed out.

00:36:17.900 But at least the kind of the skeletons of the skyscrapers still looked intimidating.

00:36:23.600 Yeah, I mean, the buildings were crumbling and all of this stuff was was really ultimately not in power anymore.

00:36:28.980 But at least you could still point to the skeletons and of these giants and say, oh, well, there's something that holds influence and people might actually believe you.

00:36:38.200 But even in Stewart's original run, that just wasn't true.

00:36:41.000 It was very clear that he was on the side of power.

00:36:43.760 He was aligned with power, at least a power that was ascending at the time.

00:36:47.000 And he was just, you know, picking at things that were dead or dying.

00:36:51.220 But now it's become so clear that that's the case.

00:36:53.700 And there's just not even skeletons.

00:36:55.180 The bones have been grounded to dust at this point.

00:36:57.880 And it's so clear that he's just there in service of corporations and the progressive agenda.

00:37:03.480 And he can't even pretend anymore.

00:37:05.260 And so it's a very fitting way for Jon Stewart's reentry into this kind of comedy arena to go.

00:37:12.400 It's a fitting end for it because he was just always destined to follow this arc.

00:37:18.520 He's a guy who saw himself as a jester.

00:37:20.620 He saw himself as a truth teller.

00:37:22.280 He saw himself as a rebel.

00:37:23.880 But it was always so hollow.

00:37:25.680 And it was always so cynical.

00:37:27.540 It was always so clear that he was using rhetorical devices and mockery in one sense, but then trying to be self-righteous in another.

00:37:35.500 And now he's the very guy who the progressive movement is saying they don't want on board anymore.

00:37:42.620 And, you know, predictably, he's just not relevant.

00:37:45.840 And he gets discarded because he's running into corporate barriers, corporations that are happy to buy into his progressive narrative, but are not going to push back against some place like China, which is essential to their operation.

00:38:00.720 So, yeah, I think that's it, guys.

00:38:02.280 Like, I just wanted to kind of explain this this this fall from grace of Jon Stewart, you know, why he became popular at the time, why he was so influential and why he ended up reentering into a marketplace that simply could not sustain his kind of comedy more.

00:38:19.320 The time for his kind of irreverence has passed.

00:38:23.160 And now these comedy shows so-called are just lectures.

00:38:27.580 There's just more lectures that we get from people who play a laugh track every once in a while or do do a gag and then go right back to their moralizing.

00:38:36.080 And you think that given Stewart's, you know, history of delivering those kind of speeches, maybe he'd slot into that, but it just doesn't work.

00:38:44.080 And he just ends up, again, going through these struggle sessions as he tries to prove his woke bona fides to a group of people who've already kind of passed him by.

00:38:52.700 But we do have a number of super chats here, guys.

00:38:55.320 So I'm going to go ahead and switch over to the super chats here real quick.

00:39:00.480 Let's see.

00:39:01.100 Creeper weirdo here.

00:39:02.340 Thank you, sir.

00:39:03.160 You know, the thing I hate.

00:39:04.200 Well, if you if you look upside down, close one eye and staple your tongue to your leg, the left is crap that hates you and your way of life has some vague theme, right wing themes and ideas.

00:39:16.140 Yeah, I hear what you're saying, man.

00:39:17.500 There's a lot of people who just say, OK, well, you know, this thing is secretly based.

00:39:22.660 If you just yeah, this guy has been insulting religion.

00:39:24.900 Yeah, he's been destroying the family.

00:39:26.240 Yeah, he's been elevating all these terrible things for a long time.

00:39:29.800 But, you know, if you squint at it the right way and you go through all these gymnastics, there might be some baseness in there somewhere.

00:39:36.280 Yeah, that gets really tiring.

00:39:37.520 Again, I really get tired of that with Bill Maher.

00:39:39.720 Yes, good for him.

00:39:41.380 At least he's not Jon Stewart.

00:39:42.760 Every once in a while he does actually say something, you know, to someone in power that might be considered transgressive.

00:39:51.460 But in general, he still hates the right.

00:39:53.340 He's not your friend.

00:39:54.260 These people are not your allies.

00:39:55.520 Don't pretend they are.

00:39:57.600 Tom, thank you very much, sir.

00:39:59.120 I think you're probably won that cigar.

00:40:01.440 It doesn't even look like they're going to put trans stuff away, which would be easy. 1.00

00:40:05.920 Yeah.

00:40:06.100 For those who don't know, I have a longstanding bet with my friend, Academic Agent, whose YouTube channel I've been on many times and he's been on here.

00:40:16.180 And our bet is that that the regime will not will whether or not they will put the woke away.

00:40:21.740 Academic Agent AA, he believes that the regime is capable of limiting itself, that ultimately it is run for power.

00:40:29.040 And profit and not ideologically.

00:40:30.880 And so once it becomes clear that wokeness is kind of no longer a useful ideology, as it should already be, because we see how terrible it is and how much it costs everybody, how it's just destroying civilization, and it's destabilizing the hold that the regime has on people. 0.72

00:40:48.280 Then they should just put it away and transition to some other narrative.

00:40:51.280 They've had other narratives in the past.

00:40:52.580 Why not?

00:40:53.640 My argument is no, they can't do that because they are ideologically captured by wokeness.

00:40:59.300 Wokeness is actually a functionally required by the regime to continue the expansion of their managerial power.

00:41:07.260 They need to break down all of these moral and cultural and identity barriers so that they continue to expand their power.

00:41:17.140 And wokeness is kind of a key part of that.

00:41:19.160 It dissolves families.

00:41:20.360 It dissolves civilizational things that are necessary, but also keep the power.

00:41:26.860 So they're kind of ripping up the floorboards to keep the engine going.

00:41:30.840 That's kind of the point they're at now.

00:41:32.340 But they have to.

00:41:33.960 There's no escape from it.

00:41:35.740 And that's become increasingly clear, especially here recently with the inability of the left to contain kind of the pro-Hamas movements that have arisen on their side.

00:41:46.380 If the left can't put that away, it's very unlikely that they'll put anything else away.

00:41:51.420 I think that they are in a runaway train.

00:41:54.540 You will see, of course, ebbs and flows.

00:41:56.800 There will always be some effort to put the woke away by the saner parts of the left.

00:42:01.460 But they will not be able to do it.

00:42:03.420 And I think the last couple of weeks has been an excellent demonstration of their inability.

00:42:10.040 Kruvo Weirdo again here.

00:42:11.500 Maybe it's because I'm 29.

00:42:13.160 But is anyone fooled by Stewart anymore aside from coping centrist that is?

00:42:19.520 Yeah, man.

00:42:20.000 Again, I think that his mystique is gone.

00:42:23.480 He was the right guy in the time when I was young.

00:42:26.620 But I just think that at this point, the formula is tired.

00:42:30.920 And it's not even that people see through it, though.

00:42:35.000 I mean, I think more conservatives see through it.

00:42:37.920 But the leftist, Joe, it's just not even sufficiently pious for them anymore.

00:42:42.220 Like I said, Stewart is irreverent.

00:42:45.600 And they want piety.

00:42:46.940 They want fiery preachers. 0.96

00:42:48.120 They want after school specials.

00:42:49.780 That's the only thing that's acceptable as leftist programming anymore.

00:42:53.340 They can't do comedy.

00:42:54.700 And so they just do after school specials parading as comedy.

00:42:59.200 And Stewart just could never pull that off.

00:43:01.120 And I think that's why him doing these struggle sessions is so painful.

00:43:04.240 Because you know that this guy doesn't take this stuff seriously.

00:43:07.760 He can't take this stuff seriously.

00:43:09.160 He didn't make his bones taking this stuff seriously.

00:43:11.860 And so it's just so awkward to watch him try to do the thing that now leftists are doing.

00:43:17.560 It just doesn't work.

00:43:19.820 Thuggo here.

00:43:20.800 Thank you, sir.

00:43:21.360 Remember when the left canceled him for saying COVID came out of a Wuhan lab?

00:43:25.440 He looked like he went through a torture camp.

00:43:27.020 Yeah.

00:43:27.440 And that's another thing, right?

00:43:28.540 He has every once in a while run afoul.

00:43:31.720 And he said something that was obvious.

00:43:33.640 So credit to him there.

00:43:35.240 He did push back on the wet market narrative back when that was not allowed at all.

00:43:41.580 But again, he kind of knows his time has kind of run out on that stuff.

00:43:48.560 Especially on the cultural end of it.

00:43:50.100 He might push back on a few things.

00:43:51.640 But especially when it comes to the woke cultural stuff.

00:43:55.180 That you got to hate white people.

00:43:57.300 You got to make amends for everything.

00:43:59.560 You got to worship the trans ideology. 0.94

00:44:02.320 He's on board with all that stuff.

00:44:03.760 And so I just don't think that he's going to be able to recover from that.

00:44:07.760 I think it's pretty clear that he's destroyed his reputation as somebody who can tell truth.

00:44:13.040 Even if occasionally he does do so in ways like the one you're mentioning there.

00:44:18.800 George W.

00:44:19.820 Hey, Duke.

00:44:20.360 Thank you very much, sir.

00:44:21.500 The Daily Show became the model for all future discourse.

00:44:24.820 Remember all those anti-SJW response videos?

00:44:27.300 We live in the world.

00:44:28.220 Stuart made.

00:44:28.760 That's a really good point, man.

00:44:30.000 Even people who oppose progressivism now have difficulty doing it in any way other than the way that Stuart advanced progressivism.

00:44:40.020 And that's interesting in a couple ways.

00:44:42.320 So yes, like on one hand, yes, people are mimicking Stuart.

00:44:47.100 And that did set the nature of the discourse.

00:44:49.500 You're 100% right about that.

00:44:50.660 However, it's interesting because also the roles have, you know, God forgive me for saying this, been reversed.

00:44:57.740 The right is now the one that is trying to resist the false piety of the left.

00:45:03.800 And so in many ways, comedy is now the tool of the right.

00:45:07.400 I wrote about this a little bit when I talked about Doug Mackey and his wildly unjust political incarceration here recently.

00:45:16.100 I mean, Doug Mackey is going to be in jail because he made fun of the regime.

00:45:21.820 And that's the way that things work.

00:45:23.880 Now, memes are just way more effective at attacking the false piety of the left than arguments.

00:45:30.080 We do all this like, I'm going to debunk things.

00:45:32.800 I'm going to bring all these facts and logic.

00:45:34.500 And look, I sit here and make arguments all the time.

00:45:36.620 I'm not, you know, but mockery is much more powerful, which is why I also make memes on my Twitter account.

00:45:42.480 And the reason is that the world is already so absurd and there is already no logic behind things.

00:45:50.240 And we're already just walking out on air.

00:45:52.920 And so because of that, it's very clear to people that everything's absurd.

00:45:56.700 And so going out there and proving that things are absurd doesn't do anything.

00:46:00.960 Oh, a man can't become a woman. 1.00

00:46:02.580 Well, of course they can't.

00:46:04.240 They never could.

00:46:05.360 Everyone knows that in their core being.

00:46:07.380 But we're all just standing out, you know, again, levitating in thin air, pretending that this isn't the case.

00:46:14.220 Eventually you're going to fall down, but you're not going to do that because people make logical arguments.

00:46:18.160 You do it by making people look absurd.

00:46:19.880 And that's why comedy is more effective now against the left.

00:46:23.440 However, I do think, while I do think that, you know, mockery is essential and should continue, you know, continue to mock the left, guys.

00:46:30.780 Make the memes.

00:46:31.860 The memes will flow.

00:46:32.920 While I think meme warfare is still essential, I think that there does need to be a reintroduction of the sacred into the argument.

00:46:42.560 I think that for too long, conservatives have attempted to make functional, logical arguments, which should still be made, but they would not include appeals to the sacred and appeals to the true and the good and the beautiful.

00:46:56.920 And the inability to make those appeals had made their technocratic arguments uninteresting and just ineffective.

00:47:06.060 And while I think that it is essential that you continue the comedy, eventually that deconstruction will also not be enough in the same way that the left's deconstruction was not enough.

00:47:15.080 And they had to start trying to replace that deconstruction narrative with some kind of positive project like wokeness.

00:47:21.960 Wokeness is the attempt at a positive, cultural, religious reconstruction of the good and true and the beautiful.

00:47:29.320 It's an inversion of the things.

00:47:30.440 It's a perversion of them.

00:47:31.720 It's a terrible, horrific, grotesque version of them.

00:47:34.300 But that is what it is.

00:47:35.360 It's their attempt to do that.

00:47:36.980 And I think that you can deconstruct that through comedy and that's useful.

00:47:41.140 But I think ultimately you have to bring something real.

00:47:45.320 You have to bring something that people can actually believe in and actually build lives and faith and families and communities on.

00:47:53.460 And you can't just do that on memes.

00:47:55.000 You can build loose communities on memes, but you cannot build a true civilizational ethos on that kind of stuff.

00:48:03.080 And so you do have to switch that eventually.

00:48:04.800 Eventually, let's see.

00:48:07.720 George, hey, Duke.

00:48:09.160 Remember, hashtag cancel Colbert.

00:48:11.280 Pepperidge Farms does.

00:48:13.180 Honestly, I don't.

00:48:14.240 I actually don't remember that.

00:48:15.600 Sorry.

00:48:16.140 Maybe that's a real thing.

00:48:17.000 Maybe you're making a joke there.

00:48:18.200 I'm not sure.

00:48:19.340 But I am unfamiliar with that.

00:48:21.800 My bad.

00:48:22.180 Sorry.

00:48:23.020 Let's see here.

00:48:23.820 Tex-Mex.

00:48:24.620 May the era of tonight's show puppets come to an end.

00:48:27.440 Yeah, between your or from your mouth to God's ears, for sure.

00:48:33.700 And so, yeah, I'm with you, man.

00:48:36.620 Hopefully that we don't have to endure this anymore.

00:48:39.740 Tiny Rick, I appreciate your super chat, but we are trying to keep the channel monetized.

00:48:44.980 And so I am going to avoid reading that one out.

00:48:47.180 But thank you for your support.

00:48:49.740 And Creeper Weirdo, again here.

00:48:51.480 Meme magic, not enough?

00:48:53.340 Yeah, I know.

00:48:54.440 So I'm not trying to downplay the meme magic.

00:48:57.120 The meme magic must continue.

00:48:58.960 I'm with you on that.

00:49:00.260 I'm just saying that we will have to go one step beyond.

00:49:05.020 The jokes are there.

00:49:06.360 Keep making the jokes.

00:49:07.420 I will also continue to keep making the memes.

00:49:10.080 However, we do have to go ahead and build something new.

00:49:13.680 I think that's essential.

00:49:15.060 And I think we should get started on it.

00:49:16.940 I think that's going to be our critical task going forward.

00:49:19.400 All right, guys.

00:49:20.460 Well, I'm going to go ahead and wrap everything up.

00:49:24.840 Thank you so much for coming on.

00:49:26.240 Lots of great super chats today.

00:49:28.120 Great interacting with you guys.

00:49:30.260 And make sure that you go ahead and check out the new Blaze website.

00:49:33.840 Like I said, really cleaned up.

00:49:35.040 I think you guys will enjoy it.

00:49:36.560 Thanks for coming by, everybody.

00:49:37.960 And as always, I will talk to you next time.

The Auron MacIntyre Show - October 24, 2023

The Predictable Cancellation of Jon Stewart ｜ 10⧸24⧸23

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