The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Problem of Cognitive Stratification

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00:00:30.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:32.060 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:34.140 I am Oren McIntyre.

00:00:37.240 I wanted to talk to you about a problem today

00:00:40.660 that I think our society is facing in ever-increasing ways.

00:00:45.980 Something that really impacts the way that we organize our society,

00:00:50.980 the way that we understand how we should be grouped together

00:00:54.000 and how our economy should work,

00:00:56.580 our relationships should work,

00:00:59.400 our spirituality should work.

00:01:01.540 All of these things are shaped by elites.

00:01:05.140 We know if you're a fan of this channel,

00:01:08.300 if you've watched it before,

00:01:09.940 you know that we're big believers in elite theory

00:01:12.280 on this channel,

00:01:14.260 that elites drive societal change,

00:01:17.460 that they shape the way that society functions.

00:01:20.540 They're not the only thing.

00:01:21.740 It's not that there's no influence from the popular masses

00:01:25.840 or just reality itself,

00:01:27.720 but the culture of elites,

00:01:30.020 the way that they think,

00:01:31.180 you know,

00:01:31.400 because they are the ones that spend so much time

00:01:33.860 influencing every one of our institutions,

00:01:35.960 every one of our interactions,

00:01:37.700 there tends to be a heavy emphasis on what they understand

00:01:41.920 and what they believe.

00:01:43.460 And that becomes really important when more and more of your society is managed.

00:01:49.640 The more of your society that falls under the sway of government or institutions,

00:01:54.840 large scale,

00:01:55.880 things like that,

00:01:57.140 the more it matters what the elite think,

00:01:59.800 because they're no longer just affecting an area.

00:02:03.300 They rule a specific place

00:02:05.300 or they only interact with their community,

00:02:07.940 a city,

00:02:08.500 or maybe even a state.

00:02:09.800 They impact the entire nation,

00:02:11.300 sometimes the entire empire in the case of the United States.

00:02:14.920 And so it becomes increasingly important

00:02:16.540 how they think about other people,

00:02:19.980 the way they see other people,

00:02:21.700 the way that they model other people's behavior

00:02:24.620 becomes incredibly important

00:02:25.900 because if they are the ones planning the economy,

00:02:28.820 planning the way that society should run,

00:02:31.420 logistics organization,

00:02:33.300 then they will necessarily impact other people of lower classes.

00:02:39.220 And if they don't understand the needs of those people,

00:02:42.240 if they don't understand the way that those people live their lives,

00:02:45.780 then you end up in a very unhealthy place

00:02:48.740 where average people or lower working class type people

00:02:53.740 end up having their lives managed by people

00:02:56.200 who cannot imagine the way in which they exist,

00:03:00.820 the things that drive those people,

00:03:02.360 the things that motivate them,

00:03:03.680 the way that their lives actually function.

00:03:06.280 And I'm going to get into an example today

00:03:08.280 that kind of recently came up,

00:03:10.920 popped up in kind of the conservative Twitter sphere.

00:03:13.380 But again,

00:03:13.780 I don't want to focus on Twitter drama.

00:03:15.960 That's really just a springboard

00:03:17.560 to discuss a larger issue

00:03:19.720 that I think is really impacting us.

00:03:22.040 So if you're wondering,

00:03:23.680 hey, Oren,

00:03:24.440 why do you have all those apples hanging out in the picture there?

00:03:28.760 What's going on with that?

00:03:31.540 If you have been online,

00:03:33.580 you may have seen this.

00:03:34.780 If not,

00:03:35.100 I'll just explain it real quick.

00:03:36.720 This is a chart that is supposed to display

00:03:39.500 kind of the idea of modeling an image in your mind,

00:03:44.380 right?

00:03:45.020 If you go to the average person

00:03:48.020 and you say,

00:03:48.840 think about an apple,

00:03:50.500 they're going to be able to model it

00:03:53.020 somewhere along this continuum,

00:03:54.840 right?

00:03:55.380 One is kind of somebody

00:03:56.820 who can completely reproduce

00:03:59.080 in high detail

00:04:00.900 a perfect facsimile

00:04:02.980 of the apple.

00:04:04.560 They can not just think about it,

00:04:06.700 but they could rotate it.

00:04:07.740 They could make changes to it

00:04:09.180 and it would keep its integrity in detail.

00:04:11.440 They are able to model

00:04:12.980 with a high degree of accuracy

00:04:15.400 what a real object looks like

00:04:18.680 and they can manipulate it,

00:04:19.940 change it,

00:04:20.460 and still maintain that level

00:04:22.420 of kind of fidelity of the object.

00:04:25.420 And at the five in there,

00:04:27.160 you have someone who totally cannot visualize the apple.

00:04:32.160 Like if you say,

00:04:32.900 think about an apple,

00:04:33.800 they know what it is.

00:04:35.560 They can think about different aspects of it.

00:04:37.580 They could recall to mind perhaps

00:04:39.020 the flavor of an apple,

00:04:40.500 the crisp sound it makes

00:04:41.760 when you bite into it,

00:04:42.940 but they do not have the ability

00:04:44.280 to bring that object into mind

00:04:47.060 and manipulate it.

00:04:48.900 Now, there's a term for this.

00:04:51.260 It's called a aphotasia, I believe.

00:04:54.240 Sorry, I know I'm probably saying that wrong.

00:04:56.460 The point being is that that's not,

00:04:59.500 you know,

00:05:00.160 the inability to rotate

00:05:02.280 or model that apple entirely accurately

00:05:05.460 is not necessarily a complete indication

00:05:08.900 of intelligence,

00:05:09.580 though it is often treated that way.

00:05:11.820 But there are intelligent people

00:05:12.920 who are just unable to conjure the image

00:05:15.820 and rotate the shape, right?

00:05:18.500 And this is supposed to be,

00:05:19.580 again, a lot of people will say

00:05:21.160 it's a function entirely of intelligence.

00:05:23.120 I'm sure somebody who is far more

00:05:24.780 well-versed in IQ research,

00:05:28.040 that kind of thing,

00:05:28.600 someone like Ed Dutton

00:05:29.380 or Charles Murray

00:05:30.060 could probably tell you more about that.

00:05:32.040 I am not an expert in that area

00:05:33.600 and I'm not going to pretend to be,

00:05:35.340 but that is often the way

00:05:36.460 that people understand it.

00:05:37.860 Either way,

00:05:39.000 it is very clear

00:05:40.140 that intelligence has some correlation

00:05:43.720 to mapping things

00:05:45.840 and modeling things, right?

00:05:47.480 We can see this low IQ people

00:05:50.680 are often unable to think

00:05:52.740 into the future,

00:05:54.100 unable to delay gratification

00:05:55.800 and able to kind of think about through,

00:05:58.380 think their way through

00:05:59.520 more complex understandings of issues.

00:06:03.400 You know,

00:06:03.600 this is the same thing

00:06:04.660 you hear people talk about,

00:06:05.740 like the hypothetical,

00:06:07.140 you know,

00:06:07.940 if someone has an internal monologue,

00:06:10.780 whether or not they're able

00:06:11.780 to kind of have this ability to hear.

00:06:14.100 If you have these things,

00:06:15.340 if you can model the apple,

00:06:16.820 if you have the internal monologue,

00:06:18.840 if you have the ability

00:06:20.000 to think through hypotheticals,

00:06:21.560 what you had for breakfast,

00:06:22.440 that kind of stuff,

00:06:23.500 if you have this stuff available to you,

00:06:26.500 you probably don't even think about it, right?

00:06:28.220 Like you don't think about these

00:06:29.180 as any kind of superpower.

00:06:30.640 It's just something your brain does

00:06:32.800 and it's probably done

00:06:33.580 in your entire life.

00:06:35.100 You didn't work for it.

00:06:37.040 You didn't earn it.

00:06:37.960 You didn't create this thing

00:06:39.520 because you studied real hard

00:06:41.180 in a book or flexed this muscle.

00:06:43.120 It's just something you can do, right?

00:06:45.380 And because you can do that,

00:06:46.520 it gives you an ability

00:06:47.720 to kind of model things,

00:06:49.220 understand things,

00:06:50.120 abstract things

00:06:51.040 in a way that others can't.

00:06:52.860 Now, to be clear,

00:06:53.940 that does not make you a better person.

00:06:56.120 But your ability to model something

00:06:58.820 does not make you morally better.

00:07:01.540 It has no impact on that.

00:07:04.640 It simply means you have this ability,

00:07:07.380 just like the guy who can run extremely fast

00:07:11.120 or the particularly beautiful woman.

00:07:14.040 These are things

00:07:14.680 that they are often born with.

00:07:15.960 They have to train it to some level,

00:07:17.360 but they're born with it.

00:07:18.640 It's a mix of both nature and effort.

00:07:21.860 You can be proud about the effort,

00:07:23.880 but ultimately the nature is a gift.

00:07:26.120 And it's a blessing when you have it,

00:07:27.700 but it doesn't make you better or worse.

00:07:29.580 It's just that's a human reality about people.

00:07:32.660 But if you don't have

00:07:33.940 the ability to model these things,

00:07:36.400 then you don't know it, right?

00:07:38.200 Like you don't understand the problem

00:07:40.220 of not being able to model it.

00:07:42.800 And the really funny thing is,

00:07:44.360 of course, elites like to think of themselves

00:07:46.300 as very high IQ.

00:07:47.800 And oftentimes that's true, right?

00:07:49.260 A lot of them were put into those positions

00:07:51.800 because they're intelligent.

00:07:52.560 Not so much anymore,

00:07:53.700 obviously with DEI

00:07:54.880 and kind of selecting for political loyalty,

00:07:57.800 we see a lot more of people being selected

00:08:00.600 who don't have that high degree of intelligence.

00:08:03.660 But at some level,

00:08:04.960 when there was a meritocracy,

00:08:06.680 and there's still a lot of momentum of that,

00:08:08.840 sorry, I know there's DEI

00:08:10.260 at NASA or SpaceX or whatever,

00:08:12.800 but you're still probably relatively smart

00:08:14.560 if you're doing those jobs,

00:08:16.000 as long as you're not running

00:08:17.440 like the HR department or something.

00:08:18.880 And so there is still a certain level

00:08:20.780 at which like IQ does tend to accumulate

00:08:23.800 at kind of these elite levels,

00:08:26.440 doing these elite jobs,

00:08:27.880 planning things for the future.

00:08:29.840 If you're working in kind of these different departments

00:08:32.960 or you're creating these things

00:08:34.580 in corporations or in government

00:08:36.280 or all these other places,

00:08:37.380 you're responsible for leading in these areas.

00:08:40.260 You probably have some level of IQ,

00:08:43.480 at least, you know,

00:08:44.340 even if you're not a super genius,

00:08:45.800 you're probably running above room temperature.

00:08:48.800 You're probably at least a midwit, right?

00:08:50.980 Like you're at least running above the median on that.

00:08:55.300 However, a really interesting thing,

00:08:57.480 a really interesting problem has occurred.

00:09:00.240 As we have taken IQ

00:09:03.240 and made that like the premier thing we select

00:09:06.820 for when we select elites,

00:09:09.480 there's a problem has been created, right?

00:09:11.940 Because IQ is problem solving ability

00:09:14.620 and it's incredibly valuable.

00:09:16.420 I'm not going to undersell you

00:09:17.660 on the importance of IQ.

00:09:19.320 However, it's not the only thing.

00:09:21.580 And throughout human history,

00:09:23.500 high IQ is correlated with a lot of good traits,

00:09:26.660 but it wasn't the only thing someone selected for.

00:09:29.360 Throughout much of history,

00:09:31.060 the ability to, you know,

00:09:32.580 be very strong or be very fast,

00:09:35.620 you know, have other abilities

00:09:37.880 that were critical to survival.

00:09:41.360 You know, in the Middle Ages,

00:09:42.820 your ability to beat someone to death with a sword

00:09:44.820 was pretty important.

00:09:46.000 Being a brilliant tactician is good,

00:09:47.780 but that wasn't the only thing you were selected for, right?

00:09:50.140 There were other things

00:09:51.740 that would turn you into an elite

00:09:54.260 in many of those scenarios.

00:09:56.040 But in our increasingly complex

00:09:58.920 and information-based order,

00:10:02.420 in an order where we tend to select

00:10:04.740 for the ability to manipulate numbers

00:10:06.420 or abstract ideas, words on a page

00:10:09.140 or, you know, something on a spreadsheet somewhere,

00:10:12.540 IQ becomes more and more

00:10:14.000 the only selection tool we use.

00:10:17.220 Now, obviously that's not entirely correct.

00:10:19.680 Again, I know DEI exists, nepotism exists.

00:10:23.440 A lot of people who go to Harvard

00:10:24.600 don't just go there

00:10:25.260 because they have the highest IQ.

00:10:27.380 They don't just have the best SAT scores.

00:10:29.500 I get that.

00:10:30.240 I'm not telling you that,

00:10:32.000 oh, the elites are always brilliant

00:10:33.300 and they're always the smartest people.

00:10:34.980 And if you're not in the elite,

00:10:36.280 then you're stupid.

00:10:37.180 And I'm not saying any of that.

00:10:38.800 I'm simply saying,

00:10:39.600 when you look at what our sorting mechanism is

00:10:43.020 for who's going to be in the ruling class, right?

00:10:45.340 What is it at this point?

00:10:46.880 It's universities.

00:10:48.440 And universities make everyone take an IQ test to enter.

00:10:53.300 Now, again, a lot of people fudge it.

00:10:55.040 A lot of people are legacy or the DEI

00:10:58.320 or there's some other way

00:10:59.800 that they get around that straight meritocratic.

00:11:02.560 But like at the core of the entrance

00:11:05.500 into our cognitive elite is this IQ score, right?

00:11:09.780 And that is how we sort

00:11:10.960 who's going to be in the big important jobs,

00:11:14.280 who's going to run the Fortune 500 companies

00:11:16.580 and the banks and, you know,

00:11:18.100 make media and entertainment

00:11:19.540 and all of these things.

00:11:20.660 And who is not, right?

00:11:22.080 It tends to be this IQ thing.

00:11:25.720 And that sounds good, right?

00:11:28.200 These are people who are selected for that ability.

00:11:31.380 They should be the best at what they do.

00:11:33.780 They're very intelligent, right?

00:11:35.420 However, the problem with IQ selection

00:11:38.220 is that it has a way of pulling people

00:11:42.080 out of their communities

00:11:44.700 and the connections with other people.

00:11:46.840 And that makes for a elite

00:11:49.340 that cannot understand the average person.

00:11:51.860 Now, I know what you're saying.

00:11:52.760 Or in elites that don't understand the average person.

00:11:55.200 Wow, that's new.

00:11:56.280 That's novel.

00:11:57.040 I get it.

00:11:57.480 Yes, I know throughout history,

00:11:59.580 you know, elites are famous

00:12:01.140 for eventually, you know,

00:12:02.940 kind of falling out of touch

00:12:04.500 with the average people.

00:12:06.400 You think of something

00:12:07.120 like the French Revolution, right?

00:12:08.500 That's the first thing that pops into mind.

00:12:09.840 But don't forget the French Revolution.

00:12:11.900 One of the reasons the elites

00:12:12.820 were so out of touch with the people

00:12:14.840 is that previous to the revolution,

00:12:17.000 Louis XIV built the Palace of Versailles

00:12:18.820 and pulled all the lords away from,

00:12:21.480 you know, touch with kind of the common people

00:12:23.940 and made them all spend their time at the court, right?

00:12:26.500 If you want to separate the aristocracy

00:12:29.560 from kind of the land

00:12:31.020 that they're supposed to be watching over,

00:12:32.420 the peasants that they're supposed to be,

00:12:34.000 have a duty to,

00:12:35.060 and that they're supposed to be tied to,

00:12:36.640 that's a great way to gain more power as a ruler,

00:12:38.760 but it's also a great way to cut off

00:12:40.380 kind of your elite's connection with the people.

00:12:43.080 So I'm not saying that this doesn't exist

00:12:44.740 throughout history.

00:12:45.800 The longer an elite goes,

00:12:47.620 you know, the more insulated they become,

00:12:49.720 the more they tend to be out of touch

00:12:51.520 with the common man.

00:12:53.140 I understand this phenomenon.

00:12:54.720 However,

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00:13:26.140 The way it's done in our current iteration

00:13:29.300 is very specifically tied to IQ, right?

00:13:33.060 Again, this is how people are selected

00:13:35.340 to go into these scenarios.

00:13:38.520 And the problem is that we should be able to model, right?

00:13:41.860 The IQ is supposed to give you the ability

00:13:43.760 to turn the apple around

00:13:45.120 and see what's going on

00:13:46.420 and investigate, abstract these things, right?

00:13:48.740 That you should be able to, in theory,

00:13:51.480 as a high IQ elite, grasp the common man, right?

00:13:56.360 That would make sense.

00:13:58.520 However, the problem we are running into

00:14:01.480 is more and more of our cognitive elite

00:14:04.580 have just not had contact with the real world.

00:14:08.740 They have not been placed into contact

00:14:10.940 with the average man.

00:14:11.740 If you were a lord in kind of the Middle Ages,

00:14:14.980 you had to have some level of contact

00:14:17.080 with your peasantry, right?

00:14:18.780 You lived among them.

00:14:20.620 You were in charge of that fiefdom

00:14:23.860 that was your land

00:14:25.940 that you were given a charge over for the king,

00:14:29.040 for kind of the higher nobility.

00:14:30.900 And so you did not spend all of your time,

00:14:34.780 unless you had like a Louis XIV situation,

00:14:37.040 you did not spend all of your time

00:14:38.200 at court with the king.

00:14:39.500 You spent most of your time amongst the people, right?

00:14:42.300 That gives you a understanding

00:14:44.280 of the day-to-day rhythm of the people.

00:14:47.880 What are their customs?

00:14:49.320 What are their folkways?

00:14:51.020 What do they do, you know, in their free time?

00:14:54.140 How do they spend holidays?

00:14:55.900 What do they celebrate?

00:14:57.320 What do marriages look like?

00:14:59.380 What's the dynamic between husband and wife?

00:15:02.140 How's the education?

00:15:03.480 How is the economics in that area?

00:15:05.760 You had to be immersed in all of that, right?

00:15:08.500 This is why our founding fathers

00:15:11.300 believed that federalism was the best way

00:15:14.260 to keep government accountable, right?

00:15:16.120 You wanted the government to be as close

00:15:18.240 to the people as possible.

00:15:19.640 You didn't want everybody focused in Washington, D.C.

00:15:23.680 You didn't want all your decisions made in L.A. or New York.

00:15:27.500 You wanted your decisions made close to the people

00:15:30.520 they affected,

00:15:31.560 because you can't really be super far away

00:15:35.140 and understand people.

00:15:36.840 You have to live in their experience.

00:15:39.800 Yeah, I know.

00:15:40.380 We're using lefty language.

00:15:41.900 Whatever.

00:15:42.260 Get over it.

00:15:43.020 You have to live the experience.

00:15:44.940 You have to have the way of being.

00:15:47.020 You have to actually go through

00:15:48.920 what other people go through

00:15:51.200 to completely understand it, okay?

00:15:54.080 That is something that even the founders knew.

00:15:57.380 That's not some left-wing thing.

00:15:59.840 That's just the reality of ruling.

00:16:02.960 That's just the reality of power.

00:16:04.880 If you want people that care about you,

00:16:07.680 if you want rulers and leaders

00:16:10.220 who understand what's going on,

00:16:13.380 they can't just model it abstractly, right?

00:16:17.120 They have to be involved in the community.

00:16:20.980 And of course, again,

00:16:23.300 wealth and power have always concentrated.

00:16:26.220 Nothing new about that.

00:16:27.660 But at a certain level,

00:16:30.980 we used to have leaders

00:16:34.460 seated throughout different areas, right?

00:16:38.340 You had communities.

00:16:40.280 And yes, some of the best and brightest

00:16:42.620 would move on.

00:16:43.620 They would move out.

00:16:44.460 They would go somewhere else.

00:16:45.420 But the vast majority of the people,

00:16:47.020 even the most intelligent ones,

00:16:48.600 stayed in the area.

00:16:49.660 The idea that you were constantly moving,

00:16:51.880 you're constantly chasing another job

00:16:53.640 or an opportunity was foreign

00:16:55.980 for a lot of people.

00:16:57.260 You set down roots.

00:16:59.320 And those roots meant that

00:17:00.860 even if you were above average intelligence,

00:17:03.240 you didn't immediately just escape

00:17:05.300 your lot in life

00:17:07.660 in a particular class

00:17:08.860 or a particular area.

00:17:09.760 You stayed there

00:17:10.900 and you bettered it.

00:17:11.920 You became a leader.

00:17:13.040 You became somebody

00:17:13.780 that other people looked up to

00:17:15.360 and modeled.

00:17:16.580 You know, you had the rich guy

00:17:18.020 at the end of the street

00:17:19.360 with a Cadillac,

00:17:20.320 but he was still on your street.

00:17:22.880 He was still,

00:17:24.060 yes, he owned the sawmill

00:17:25.460 everybody worked at,

00:17:26.880 but you saw him at church on Sunday.

00:17:30.380 You saw him at the marketplace.

00:17:32.260 There wasn't a separate market

00:17:33.460 where only people like him went.

00:17:35.520 Everyone had,

00:17:36.520 the community was small enough.

00:17:37.680 People are in touch enough

00:17:38.580 to where you could see the leader.

00:17:40.760 You could see the guy who owned thing.

00:17:42.320 You could see the guy

00:17:43.020 who was running the show

00:17:44.020 and he had to be

00:17:45.220 somewhat accountable to you.

00:17:46.940 Now, could he be Mr. Potter?

00:17:48.220 Yeah, sure.

00:17:49.080 Right?

00:17:49.880 From It's a Wonderful Life.

00:17:51.140 However,

00:17:52.480 there was still

00:17:54.180 a certain level of shame

00:17:56.140 and a certain level

00:17:57.340 of responsibility

00:17:58.260 that was foisted upon

00:18:00.240 nobility, right?

00:18:01.960 Noblesse oblige.

00:18:02.980 You had to see the people

00:18:04.280 who your decisions

00:18:05.580 were impacting

00:18:06.340 on a regular basis

00:18:07.720 and that meant you understood

00:18:09.500 the way that their life worked.

00:18:10.860 Even if you were

00:18:11.920 a little more out of touch

00:18:13.260 because you were an elite,

00:18:14.500 you still had to see them

00:18:15.960 from day to day.

00:18:17.620 However,

00:18:18.040 the way we do things now

00:18:20.200 is we aggressively test

00:18:22.880 constantly

00:18:23.880 everyone in the United States

00:18:25.980 to try to suck

00:18:27.140 the best and the brightest

00:18:28.040 out of those areas, right?

00:18:30.660 A lot of people

00:18:31.300 will call this

00:18:31.780 brain drain, right?

00:18:37.940 You take the best

00:18:39.280 and the brightest

00:18:39.720 out of, you know,

00:18:41.380 Ohio and Colorado

00:18:43.340 and Mississippi

00:18:45.040 and you suck them in

00:18:47.220 to schools in California

00:18:48.840 and New York

00:18:49.820 and a lot of people

00:18:51.480 in the chat

00:18:52.300 are recognizing

00:18:52.900 what we're talking about here.

00:18:54.100 This is also called

00:18:55.100 the IQ shredder, right?

00:18:56.420 Something that I have discussed

00:18:57.640 with Nick Land

00:18:58.780 on this channel before.

00:19:00.600 The danger of pulling

00:19:02.020 all of your intelligence

00:19:03.760 and dropping it in

00:19:05.000 to these places

00:19:06.040 that just grind it up, right?

00:19:07.640 You're not making anything real.

00:19:09.620 You're not leading

00:19:10.760 real human beings.

00:19:12.140 You're just taking

00:19:13.360 all the smartest people

00:19:14.300 who would have improved

00:19:15.120 the condition in Arkansas

00:19:17.220 or in Nebraska

00:19:19.060 and instead

00:19:20.040 you're pulling them

00:19:20.960 into New York

00:19:21.680 and California

00:19:22.560 and Washington

00:19:23.520 and you're saying,

00:19:24.720 okay, you just

00:19:26.020 do a bunch of math,

00:19:27.600 you know, figure out

00:19:28.200 a bunch of financial derivatives,

00:19:29.780 spend all your time

00:19:30.920 doing that

00:19:31.580 and don't, you know,

00:19:32.700 don't get married,

00:19:33.380 don't have kids,

00:19:33.940 you're too busy,

00:19:34.580 blah, blah, blah.

00:19:35.300 You burn it out.

00:19:36.040 Like, if you want to learn

00:19:37.200 more about the IQ shredder,

00:19:39.060 you can go back

00:19:39.620 to my video on that.

00:19:40.600 I'm not going to spend

00:19:41.080 a lot of time on it here

00:19:41.980 but these are very

00:19:42.940 similar ideas, right?

00:19:44.540 They run parallel

00:19:45.480 to each other.

00:19:46.720 Now, this phenomenon

00:19:48.680 that we're talking about here

00:19:50.420 was noticed by

00:19:52.620 two different thinkers

00:19:54.580 but ones that I think

00:19:56.100 are both important

00:19:56.940 on the issue,

00:19:57.960 Christopher Lash

00:19:58.780 and Charles Murray.

00:20:00.540 Charles Murray, of course,

00:20:01.440 wrote The Bell Curve

00:20:02.320 and he wrote Coming Apart.

00:20:03.760 I highly recommend

00:20:04.920 both of those books

00:20:05.820 and in Coming Apart

00:20:08.040 specifically,

00:20:08.920 though he talks about it

00:20:09.760 in Bell Curve,

00:20:11.420 of course, as well.

00:20:12.540 He talks about,

00:20:13.380 Murray talks about

00:20:14.280 the dangers

00:20:15.100 of cognitive stratification.

00:20:17.580 He talks about

00:20:18.320 how worried he is

00:20:19.620 about this process

00:20:20.860 because you're draining

00:20:22.560 all of the intelligence

00:20:23.740 out of kind of

00:20:24.480 these Midwestern towns,

00:20:25.680 all these places

00:20:26.100 that have already been

00:20:26.820 economically abandoned.

00:20:28.540 You're abandoning them

00:20:29.560 from talent as well, right?

00:20:31.160 You're robbing them

00:20:32.080 of the talent

00:20:32.980 that would have

00:20:33.440 rejuvenated these areas,

00:20:34.700 would have led them

00:20:35.340 into new and interesting

00:20:36.340 and dynamic situations

00:20:38.040 and you're just

00:20:38.820 sucking them into

00:20:40.040 personal finance

00:20:42.100 or whatever

00:20:43.080 kind of industries

00:20:44.820 in large cities.

00:20:46.220 And his worry

00:20:46.980 was not just

00:20:48.040 that you were pulling

00:20:49.540 this kind of

00:20:51.000 cognitive elite

00:20:52.240 out of places

00:20:53.040 they could have helped,

00:20:54.040 but you're also

00:20:54.860 making sure

00:20:56.100 that these people

00:20:56.780 who would have been

00:20:57.880 kind of in the gene pool

00:20:59.200 in their areas, right?

00:21:00.160 Like, you've got a smart guy.

00:21:02.180 He is doing a lot

00:21:04.020 of great things

00:21:04.800 in Arkansas.

00:21:05.360 He marries a woman

00:21:07.140 who is kind of

00:21:08.300 below his socioeconomic standing.

00:21:10.200 They have children.

00:21:11.300 They increase

00:21:11.860 the intelligence

00:21:12.500 in the area.

00:21:13.720 Instead,

00:21:14.280 you're just pulling him out

00:21:15.420 and you're dropping him

00:21:16.680 into a college

00:21:17.460 where he's going to marry

00:21:18.540 another college student

00:21:19.840 who's also probably high IQ.

00:21:21.780 And that's eugenic, right?

00:21:23.340 In a sense,

00:21:23.960 that's, you know,

00:21:24.420 a lot of people

00:21:25.040 cringe at that word,

00:21:26.580 but that's what it means, right?

00:21:28.220 Is, you know,

00:21:28.780 you're taking

00:21:29.320 two highly intelligent people

00:21:31.080 and you're making sure

00:21:31.760 that they have

00:21:32.160 even more highly

00:21:32.920 intelligent children.

00:21:34.140 And that's great,

00:21:34.800 but you're removing them

00:21:36.320 from the place

00:21:36.840 that was already starved

00:21:37.960 for talent,

00:21:38.600 already starved

00:21:39.360 for leadership,

00:21:40.280 already starved

00:21:41.040 for intelligence.

00:21:42.260 And you're concentrating them

00:21:43.840 and you're making them

00:21:44.840 even more intelligent

00:21:46.040 by having them breed.

00:21:47.360 And then,

00:21:48.180 so more and more

00:21:49.380 intelligent people

00:21:50.200 are kind of concentrating

00:21:52.320 in these IQ shredder cities,

00:21:54.740 these centers

00:21:55.300 of cognitive stratification.

00:21:57.820 they're being pulled

00:21:59.520 out of their hometowns.

00:22:00.780 They're being dropped

00:22:01.500 into these areas.

00:22:02.440 They're only having children

00:22:03.600 with each other, right?

00:22:04.560 They're only selecting

00:22:05.240 for each other.

00:22:06.000 They're getting more intelligent.

00:22:07.340 They're pulling the intelligence

00:22:08.300 out of the areas

00:22:09.140 that are becoming

00:22:09.740 less and less intelligent

00:22:11.180 because you're taking

00:22:12.080 all the intelligent people

00:22:13.300 that would have had kids

00:22:14.040 in that area

00:22:15.040 and you're dropping them

00:22:16.320 in the big cities.

00:22:18.520 A lot of times,

00:22:18.960 these people don't even have kids

00:22:20.020 because the big cities

00:22:20.640 really depress birth rates.

00:22:23.240 They make sure

00:22:23.680 very few people

00:22:24.280 can afford to have children

00:22:25.360 because of all kinds

00:22:26.220 of different issues,

00:22:27.280 career and everything else,

00:22:28.620 all of that.

00:22:29.780 And so you end up

00:22:30.500 in this scenario

00:22:31.260 where the gaps

00:22:32.580 get wider and wider, right?

00:22:34.100 The stratification

00:22:34.920 of the cognitive ability

00:22:37.180 gets wider and wider.

00:22:38.920 More and more concentration

00:22:40.140 of high IQ

00:22:40.840 in these IQ shredder areas

00:22:43.560 and more and more of it

00:22:45.340 hollowed out

00:22:46.260 from kind of the middle

00:22:47.600 of places like,

00:22:49.160 you know,

00:22:49.320 the United States.

00:22:50.820 And that's a huge problem,

00:22:52.220 not just because

00:22:53.440 of all of the brain drain

00:22:54.860 and everything else

00:22:55.780 we just talked about,

00:22:56.920 all the economic impacts,

00:22:58.480 everything else.

00:22:59.200 The other big problem

00:23:00.700 with doing that

00:23:02.320 is you also create

00:23:03.540 a scenario

00:23:04.180 where more and more

00:23:05.480 of the people

00:23:06.080 who are running

00:23:07.360 these organizations

00:23:08.420 have no connection

00:23:10.380 to anyone

00:23:11.080 who has to live

00:23:12.440 a working class existence.

00:23:14.120 It's not just that,

00:23:15.660 like,

00:23:15.900 they have never really

00:23:17.240 had to do the job.

00:23:18.540 It's that they don't know

00:23:20.340 anyone who's ever

00:23:21.480 really had to do a job.

00:23:22.900 They don't have friends

00:23:24.240 and family members

00:23:25.580 who have had to do

00:23:27.000 that kind of work.

00:23:27.960 They're just wildly

00:23:29.200 disconnected

00:23:30.180 from what that lifestyle

00:23:32.240 is like.

00:23:34.320 And so when you ask them,

00:23:36.200 okay,

00:23:36.680 what should we do

00:23:37.420 with economic policy?

00:23:38.840 What should we do

00:23:39.680 with education?

00:23:40.940 What should we do

00:23:41.860 with all these things

00:23:43.140 that are critical institutions

00:23:45.200 that have a very big effect

00:23:48.660 on how people live their lives?

00:23:50.360 they can only really

00:23:52.660 create the world

00:23:54.580 that they live in.

00:23:56.120 Like,

00:23:56.640 the high IQ people

00:23:57.580 who are supposed

00:23:57.980 to be able to model

00:23:58.700 all this stuff

00:23:59.380 have a really difficult job

00:24:01.080 modeling the life

00:24:02.860 of a lower IQ person.

00:24:04.580 And again,

00:24:05.000 I want to make clear

00:24:06.520 as we're talking about this,

00:24:07.640 I'm not saying

00:24:08.740 that these people

00:24:09.300 are stupid.

00:24:11.300 I'm not saying

00:24:11.920 that these people

00:24:12.540 are morally worse.

00:24:14.640 These are just,

00:24:16.300 you know,

00:24:16.700 this is just the reality

00:24:17.900 of intelligence

00:24:19.240 and the way

00:24:19.780 that it works, okay?

00:24:20.800 So it's not like,

00:24:21.460 ah, well,

00:24:22.200 these, you know,

00:24:23.080 high IQ people,

00:24:24.500 they're the betters

00:24:25.140 and anyone left

00:24:26.100 in the middle of the country,

00:24:27.120 they're just so much worse

00:24:28.100 and, you know,

00:24:29.020 these better people

00:24:29.920 can't model the lives

00:24:30.960 of these worse people.

00:24:31.880 I am not saying

00:24:32.680 that at all, right?

00:24:33.900 Because as we're going

00:24:34.540 to get to in a moment,

00:24:35.700 when the low IQ people

00:24:38.240 lose all of the,

00:24:40.160 like, you know,

00:24:41.840 when they lose

00:24:42.360 the motivation

00:24:42.960 to keep all the machines

00:24:44.460 running,

00:24:44.900 all the machinery

00:24:45.540 of the country running,

00:24:48.400 the high IQ people

00:24:49.820 are going to be

00:24:50.500 in a real problem,

00:24:51.860 a real mess, right?

00:24:53.400 So one of the problems

00:24:55.560 that we're really facing

00:24:57.200 right now

00:24:57.740 is that the majority

00:24:58.720 of the people

00:24:59.360 who are in charge

00:25:01.480 of the United States

00:25:03.080 have a very difficult time

00:25:05.060 imagining the existence

00:25:06.880 that people who are not

00:25:10.360 in charge live day to day.

00:25:12.300 Like, they just don't under,

00:25:13.300 and it's not,

00:25:14.040 and again,

00:25:14.580 it's not just that

00:25:15.380 they're out of touch

00:25:16.200 like every elite

00:25:16.900 is out of touch,

00:25:17.640 and it's not just

00:25:19.000 that they are callous

00:25:21.840 to the lives

00:25:22.800 of those people

00:25:23.500 and are only arranging society

00:25:24.920 for their own benefit,

00:25:25.820 though, again,

00:25:26.660 both of those things

00:25:27.540 are very real.

00:25:28.940 It's that a lot of them

00:25:30.140 are genuinely interested

00:25:31.840 in the well-being

00:25:33.060 of the average person,

00:25:34.120 but they just can't grasp

00:25:36.280 the life of the average person,

00:25:38.260 and I run into this

00:25:39.640 all the time.

00:25:41.060 Even when I'm talking

00:25:41.960 to conservative leaders

00:25:43.320 who are supposed to be

00:25:44.500 the representation

00:25:45.200 of Red America,

00:25:46.600 right?

00:25:47.120 These conservative thought leaders

00:25:48.620 and influencers

00:25:50.020 and politicians,

00:25:51.640 they're supposed to be

00:25:52.800 the ones who are plugged in

00:25:54.340 and connected

00:25:54.820 to these communities.

00:25:56.080 They're not the people

00:25:56.940 from L.A.

00:25:57.660 usually.

00:25:58.200 They're not the people

00:25:59.000 from New York.

00:26:00.940 They're not the people

00:26:01.900 who are, you know,

00:26:04.020 representing kind of

00:26:04.980 the urban elite

00:26:05.880 most of the time.

00:26:06.540 They're often the people

00:26:07.360 who are supposed

00:26:07.860 representing, you know,

00:26:09.660 Iowa and Ohio

00:26:10.720 and, you know,

00:26:11.920 Montana and all these places,

00:26:13.860 and yet still,

00:26:15.240 they are very bad

00:26:17.320 at grasping, like,

00:26:18.500 what the average guy

00:26:19.820 at Walmart is thinking

00:26:21.280 and doing, right?

00:26:22.960 They just have not

00:26:24.200 had conversations with

00:26:25.940 and are not, you know,

00:26:27.080 married to

00:26:27.840 or related to

00:26:30.100 anyone who

00:26:31.500 really lives these lives.

00:26:34.000 And so when issues

00:26:35.240 like this come up,

00:26:36.160 they just kind of

00:26:37.260 fall on their faces.

00:26:38.600 And so the example

00:26:39.580 I want to use today

00:26:40.540 is a discussion

00:26:41.180 that kind of broke out

00:26:42.160 on Twitter.

00:26:43.800 Again, not really

00:26:44.980 highly interested

00:26:45.780 in the Twitter drama.

00:26:46.660 Just want to use it

00:26:47.240 as a springboard

00:26:47.940 for kind of this

00:26:49.020 larger discussion.

00:26:51.580 So a little bit of context.

00:26:54.100 I already did an episode

00:26:54.900 on this,

00:26:55.720 but the H-1B thing

00:26:57.800 was a huge blow up

00:26:59.800 after, you know,

00:27:01.080 during and after Christmas,

00:27:02.180 particularly Vivek Ramaswamy

00:27:04.400 and Elon Musk,

00:27:06.580 by the way,

00:27:07.120 Ramaswamy has not tweeted

00:27:08.320 since the beginning

00:27:09.420 of the year.

00:27:10.540 Take that,

00:27:11.220 take what you will

00:27:12.060 with that.

00:27:13.080 However,

00:27:14.020 you know,

00:27:14.680 these guys really

00:27:15.480 got into it

00:27:16.200 with kind of the

00:27:16.760 average MAGA Republican

00:27:18.640 about H-1B visas.

00:27:20.920 And the big argument

00:27:22.440 was like,

00:27:23.160 well,

00:27:23.780 we just don't have

00:27:24.540 enough intelligent Americans.

00:27:26.220 Americans don't work

00:27:27.100 hard enough.

00:27:27.800 Americans aren't smart enough.

00:27:29.180 And we need

00:27:30.280 to bring in

00:27:31.120 a bunch of people

00:27:32.160 from outside

00:27:32.960 the United States

00:27:33.780 to do these jobs.

00:27:35.020 Now,

00:27:35.480 this goes against

00:27:36.200 everything that

00:27:37.120 the right has ever said

00:27:38.660 or even,

00:27:39.260 you know,

00:27:39.540 everyone,

00:27:41.360 every politician

00:27:42.060 has ever said

00:27:42.660 when it comes to

00:27:43.900 immigration,

00:27:47.200 right?

00:27:47.420 The argument

00:27:47.920 for immigration

00:27:48.380 was always,

00:27:49.240 well,

00:27:49.600 immigrants are doing

00:27:50.240 jobs that Americans

00:27:51.040 just don't want to do,

00:27:52.180 right?

00:27:52.340 They're picking fruit

00:27:53.360 or, you know,

00:27:54.280 taking out trash

00:27:55.400 or, you know,

00:27:56.080 painting buildings

00:27:57.020 or something,

00:27:57.700 just menial labor

00:27:58.860 that you're not

00:27:59.940 going to want to do.

00:28:00.740 And so that's

00:28:01.760 why they need

00:28:02.380 to come in.

00:28:03.040 But then,

00:28:03.660 you know,

00:28:03.940 as soon as we're like,

00:28:04.780 well,

00:28:04.940 let's fix the

00:28:05.800 illegal immigrant problem,

00:28:07.600 the script flipped.

00:28:08.720 And all of a sudden,

00:28:09.200 it's like,

00:28:09.480 oh,

00:28:09.660 well,

00:28:09.780 we need a lot

00:28:10.360 of legal immigrants.

00:28:11.360 Well,

00:28:11.480 why?

00:28:11.760 Are they picking fruit?

00:28:13.960 I thought we just

00:28:14.660 had that debate.

00:28:15.540 They're like,

00:28:15.840 oh,

00:28:15.980 no,

00:28:16.180 they're programming computers.

00:28:18.360 They're going to launch rockets.

00:28:20.180 You know,

00:28:20.340 all those jobs

00:28:21.040 that you got degrees

00:28:21.920 for that you wanted

00:28:23.080 to do,

00:28:24.120 well,

00:28:24.720 actually,

00:28:25.320 we're going to bring

00:28:25.960 other people in

00:28:26.640 to do them

00:28:27.160 because you're

00:28:28.360 just too lazy.

00:28:29.240 Now,

00:28:29.680 we know that,

00:28:30.660 yes,

00:28:30.900 we've depressed

00:28:31.400 your wages

00:28:31.920 through immigration,

00:28:32.500 and we know

00:28:33.340 that you've been

00:28:34.160 selected out of

00:28:35.280 university educations

00:28:36.320 due to DEI,

00:28:37.420 and we know

00:28:37.920 it's impossible

00:28:38.440 for you to get

00:28:38.880 an interview

00:28:39.320 because,

00:28:40.140 you know,

00:28:40.280 you're like a white dude

00:28:41.220 or you're straight

00:28:41.860 or you're male

00:28:42.320 or whatever.

00:28:42.720 Like,

00:28:43.180 we know that,

00:28:44.500 but we're not going

00:28:45.440 to take any of that

00:28:46.060 account,

00:28:46.560 and we're not going

00:28:46.960 to help you.

00:28:47.540 We're not going

00:28:47.860 to,

00:28:47.940 like,

00:28:48.120 train Americans

00:28:48.800 to do these jobs.

00:28:49.780 We're not going

00:28:50.280 to enter,

00:28:50.920 like,

00:28:51.100 a tech boot camp

00:28:51.780 or something.

00:28:52.120 We're just going

00:28:52.660 to give these jobs

00:28:53.540 to foreigners,

00:28:54.940 and it's because

00:28:56.500 you're lazy

00:28:57.020 and you're stupid,

00:28:57.820 right?

00:28:58.020 And that did not

00:28:58.800 go over well

00:28:59.640 with the Republican base.

00:29:01.940 Well,

00:29:03.040 uh,

00:29:03.500 what's better

00:29:05.680 than a well-marbled

00:29:06.580 ribeye sizzling

00:29:07.480 on the barbecue?

00:29:08.680 A well-marbled

00:29:09.560 ribeye sizzling

00:29:10.460 on the barbecue

00:29:11.080 that was carefully

00:29:11.980 selected by an

00:29:12.920 Instacart shopper

00:29:13.840 and delivered

00:29:14.300 to your door.

00:29:15.400 A well-marbled

00:29:16.280 ribeye you ordered

00:29:17.240 without even

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00:29:34.740 It got a little

00:29:35.660 worse,

00:29:36.140 uh,

00:29:36.520 yesterday because,

00:29:37.680 uh,

00:29:37.900 a couple of guys,

00:29:38.700 and I want to make

00:29:39.140 it clear at the

00:29:39.660 outset of this,

00:29:40.380 I like most of the

00:29:41.960 people I'm about

00:29:42.560 to discuss,

00:29:43.200 so this is not me

00:29:44.280 like,

00:29:45.160 they are the worst

00:29:45.720 people,

00:29:46.240 they are the enemy,

00:29:47.280 you gotta go after

00:29:47.960 these people,

00:29:48.580 blah, blah, blah,

00:29:49.160 but they're just

00:29:49.820 wrong.

00:29:50.520 They're just

00:29:50.980 stuck in like

00:29:52.580 the worst

00:29:53.340 conservative

00:29:54.480 boomer mentality,

00:29:55.540 just the same

00:29:56.580 thing that the

00:29:57.420 right has been

00:29:57.880 telling young

00:29:58.680 people my

00:29:59.280 entire life,

00:30:00.620 and it just

00:30:01.060 has to stop,

00:30:01.900 and so we're

00:30:02.280 having this

00:30:02.700 conversation not

00:30:03.580 to condemn

00:30:04.060 anybody,

00:30:04.500 uh,

00:30:05.580 and not,

00:30:06.220 not to like

00:30:06.740 send in,

00:30:07.180 you know,

00:30:07.480 in any,

00:30:08.000 uh,

00:30:08.380 you know,

00:30:08.600 hostility,

00:30:09.200 it's just,

00:30:09.820 we can't do

00:30:11.100 this,

00:30:11.400 right?

00:30:11.600 Like,

00:30:11.900 people need

00:30:12.480 to understand,

00:30:12.940 just like Elon

00:30:13.460 needs to understand,

00:30:14.400 like,

00:30:15.220 we're glad you're

00:30:15.840 part of the

00:30:16.160 coalition,

00:30:16.520 but this is

00:30:17.220 not the way

00:30:17.940 to address this

00:30:18.720 issue,

00:30:19.020 right?

00:30:19.480 So,

00:30:19.780 yesterday,

00:30:21.460 it kind of

00:30:22.220 kicked off

00:30:22.780 because,

00:30:23.360 um,

00:30:23.820 there was this

00:30:24.420 one account

00:30:25.060 that had said,

00:30:25.720 like,

00:30:25.920 I hope,

00:30:26.520 like,

00:30:26.700 all these

00:30:27.060 24-year-olds

00:30:28.100 just completely

00:30:29.140 fall out of

00:30:30.440 the job market

00:30:31.360 and they,

00:30:32.080 like,

00:30:32.260 fail.

00:30:32.680 I would rather

00:30:33.080 burn down

00:30:33.720 society,

00:30:34.420 uh,

00:30:35.240 than,

00:30:35.540 like,

00:30:35.620 kind of see

00:30:36.040 these people

00:30:36.540 succeed,

00:30:37.060 and,

00:30:37.440 uh,

00:30:37.600 that made

00:30:37.840 a lot of

00:30:38.100 people angry.

00:30:38.820 Now,

00:30:39.220 he made

00:30:39.480 some other

00:30:39.840 comments,

00:30:40.360 and,

00:30:40.680 like,

00:30:40.880 one of them

00:30:41.220 was like,

00:30:41.540 oh,

00:30:41.800 well,

00:30:42.220 you know,

00:30:42.500 full employment

00:30:43.260 and things

00:30:43.840 aren't so bad

00:30:44.400 out there,

00:30:44.940 and,

00:30:45.600 you know,

00:30:45.740 you can get

00:30:46.600 stuff done,

00:30:47.320 and Chris Ruffo

00:30:48.020 kind of jumped

00:30:48.500 in and said,

00:30:48.980 well,

00:30:49.120 you were right

00:30:49.620 about this.

00:30:50.340 Now,

00:30:50.900 I don't think

00:30:51.340 Ruffo was

00:30:51.880 agreeing ultimately

00:30:53.300 with him about,

00:30:54.320 like,

00:30:54.820 I hope all the

00:30:55.380 24-year-olds burn

00:30:56.500 and I would burn

00:30:57.120 down the system

00:30:57.740 to keep you guys

00:30:58.460 from succeeding.

00:30:59.680 I think he was

00:31:00.520 trying to agree

00:31:01.520 with kind of the

00:31:02.540 idea that there's

00:31:03.180 still opportunity

00:31:03.800 in the United

00:31:04.380 States,

00:31:04.860 but the way

00:31:05.500 that he did it

00:31:06.400 was just really

00:31:07.200 bad.

00:31:07.620 It was just

00:31:07.940 really poorly

00:31:08.940 worded.

00:31:09.380 The context

00:31:09.920 was really bad.

00:31:10.920 His response

00:31:11.520 to people

00:31:11.940 who were like,

00:31:12.860 dude,

00:31:13.060 what are you

00:31:13.400 talking about

00:31:14.080 was not great,

00:31:15.060 and specifically,

00:31:17.080 he kind of said,

00:31:18.700 oh,

00:31:18.940 well,

00:31:19.540 you could get

00:31:20.740 a job managing

00:31:21.520 a Panda Express

00:31:22.700 or a Chipotle,

00:31:24.100 and look at this.

00:31:24.800 I've got a job

00:31:25.800 listing that says

00:31:26.560 Chipotle is paying

00:31:27.780 managers $75,000

00:31:30.660 to $100,000,

00:31:32.020 and who can't

00:31:32.720 live off $100,000?

00:31:34.060 If you're a young

00:31:35.400 man and you don't

00:31:36.200 have a wife and

00:31:36.960 you don't have kids

00:31:37.680 or whatever,

00:31:38.340 you can still get

00:31:39.160 out there and

00:31:39.800 go become a

00:31:40.440 Chipotle manager

00:31:41.300 and make all

00:31:42.000 this money and

00:31:42.660 you'll just be

00:31:43.160 living the

00:31:43.620 American dream.

00:31:45.180 And a lot of

00:31:46.000 guys like Matt

00:31:47.080 Walsh kind of

00:31:48.400 bandwagoned onto

00:31:49.500 this and it was

00:31:50.120 time for all of

00:31:51.480 the classic

00:31:52.600 conservative talking

00:31:54.940 heads to do

00:31:55.700 their, pull

00:31:56.420 yourself up by

00:31:57.280 your bootstraps,

00:31:58.200 bucko, clean up

00:31:59.340 your room, make

00:32:00.580 something of your

00:32:01.300 life, stop being

00:32:02.160 a lazy good for

00:32:02.920 nothing, get out

00:32:04.280 there and get

00:32:04.800 yours and whatever.

00:32:06.460 That was kind of

00:32:07.340 the response.

00:32:08.240 And it was, it

00:32:09.160 was really tone

00:32:10.020 deaf.

00:32:10.440 Okay.

00:32:10.880 And I want to be

00:32:11.640 clear at the

00:32:13.180 outset that work

00:32:15.540 hard, do a good

00:32:17.300 job.

00:32:19.300 Don't be above

00:32:20.360 difficult work is

00:32:22.120 good advice in a

00:32:24.520 one-on-one situation,

00:32:25.660 right?

00:32:26.060 If I have a buddy

00:32:26.940 and he's broke and

00:32:28.600 he's sitting around

00:32:29.140 saying, there's just

00:32:29.940 no opportunities, I

00:32:31.460 can't do anything, I

00:32:32.880 can't get anywhere.

00:32:33.840 Where my response

00:32:34.980 to him is going to

00:32:35.580 be like, yeah, man, I

00:32:37.000 hear you.

00:32:37.880 It's hard out there.

00:32:39.560 There's a lot of

00:32:40.340 stuff working against

00:32:41.180 you, but ultimately

00:32:42.360 you have to make

00:32:43.640 decisions.

00:32:44.060 And the only thing

00:32:44.760 you can really

00:32:45.340 control is not the

00:32:46.220 world.

00:32:46.560 It's not, you know,

00:32:47.520 what's holding you

00:32:48.260 down.

00:32:48.680 It's not the

00:32:49.240 restrictions or

00:32:50.000 what's working

00:32:50.480 against you or the

00:32:51.160 system.

00:32:51.460 The only thing you

00:32:52.360 control is kind of

00:32:53.200 your effort and your

00:32:54.260 response, right?

00:32:55.560 And that doesn't

00:32:56.100 justify the system

00:32:57.200 that you're like

00:32:58.140 working inside of,

00:32:59.280 but ultimately the

00:33:00.440 only agency you have

00:33:01.740 is your willingness

00:33:03.120 to kind of work and

00:33:04.860 get in there and get

00:33:05.660 after it.

00:33:06.180 Right.

00:33:07.060 And that means you

00:33:07.660 might have to take a

00:33:08.260 job that you don't

00:33:08.920 like, but ultimately

00:33:10.100 like that's better than

00:33:11.300 just sitting around and

00:33:12.840 like, you know, playing

00:33:15.020 video games and

00:33:15.900 whatever, like that is

00:33:17.160 a better existence for

00:33:18.300 you and we'll get you

00:33:18.900 somewhere.

00:33:19.160 Right.

00:33:19.400 That's, that's good

00:33:20.140 one-on-one advice.

00:33:21.860 Right.

00:33:22.960 However, if your job is

00:33:25.060 literally to shape

00:33:26.100 public policy, you're not

00:33:28.460 giving advice to like

00:33:29.420 your buddy who's down

00:33:30.600 on his luck.

00:33:31.740 And depressed, you're

00:33:32.640 talking to the nation.

00:33:35.040 You're talking to the

00:33:36.200 wider audience.

00:33:38.120 You need more than, well,

00:33:40.500 just kind of clean up

00:33:41.280 your room, bucko.

00:33:42.020 Right?

00:33:42.600 Like again, Jordan

00:33:44.180 Peterson's advice.

00:33:45.240 Great for you, the

00:33:46.780 individual, not great.

00:33:48.680 If you treat that as the

00:33:50.040 answer to society's

00:33:51.400 problems, because then

00:33:52.920 that ignores, it's a

00:33:54.660 free pass to ignore the

00:33:56.940 problems that have been

00:33:59.360 visited upon the current

00:34:01.320 generations by previous

00:34:03.120 generations for the profit

00:34:05.700 and benefit of those

00:34:06.920 generations.

00:34:07.440 And this is not a hate a

00:34:08.660 boomer moment.

00:34:09.500 Okay.

00:34:09.800 I want to be clear.

00:34:10.920 There, there are plenty of

00:34:12.280 great boomers out there who

00:34:14.220 understand the problems that

00:34:15.920 younger people are going

00:34:16.800 through.

00:34:17.780 But unfortunately there's a

00:34:19.620 certain mentality of

00:34:20.860 entitlement as if, you know,

00:34:24.120 everything was built by, you

00:34:27.220 know, uh, people who were

00:34:28.600 born in the 1940s and fifties

00:34:30.880 and really, uh, they, they

00:34:33.080 created civilization all by

00:34:34.580 themselves and they're just

00:34:35.780 gifting it to everyone.

00:34:36.680 I was like, no, you were born

00:34:38.740 in a very particular time when

00:34:40.420 America had like conquered the

00:34:42.100 world and was, it had

00:34:43.580 incredible opportunities and

00:34:44.920 before all kinds of mass

00:34:46.480 immigration and other

00:34:47.360 restrictions were placed on the

00:34:48.720 ability of the average person

00:34:49.920 to succeed.

00:34:50.520 And so you benefited from a

00:34:52.320 lot of this stuff.

00:34:52.860 And that doesn't mean that

00:34:53.740 your accomplishments aren't

00:34:54.920 impressive, but it just

00:34:56.460 means that your scenario will

00:34:58.080 not be duplicated by the

00:34:59.460 current generation.

00:35:00.360 And I want to be clear.

00:35:01.400 I am not a zoomer, right?

00:35:03.160 Like most of this is pointed

00:35:04.340 at zoomer men and I am not a

00:35:06.720 zoomer.

00:35:07.080 I'm a, I'm a millennial.

00:35:08.400 In fact, I'm an early

00:35:09.080 millennial.

00:35:09.600 I'm kind of right on that

00:35:10.520 line.

00:35:10.860 I, you know, just a few years

00:35:12.100 after gen X.

00:35:13.360 So I am closer really to gen X

00:35:15.820 than millennial.

00:35:16.780 However, I've seen a lot of

00:35:18.260 these problems in my own

00:35:19.320 generation, right?

00:35:20.060 I've seen, you know, these

00:35:21.320 problems, uh, are, were, are

00:35:23.160 worse for zoomers, but they

00:35:25.180 existed beforehand.

00:35:26.760 Right.

00:35:27.240 And so I've seen the

00:35:28.260 precursors to this and I've

00:35:31.040 seen a lot of people, a lot

00:35:32.580 of men, my age and younger,

00:35:33.880 uh, really struggle with

00:35:36.380 purpose and meaning and

00:35:37.760 finding their place.

00:35:38.840 And there's a lot of reasons

00:35:40.420 for that.

00:35:40.840 The most frustrating, the

00:35:41.840 one, I think the one that a

00:35:43.520 lot of people got angry

00:35:44.680 about, and I think this is

00:35:45.580 why there was so much of a

00:35:47.140 response to kind of what

00:35:48.220 Rufo and Walsh and them

00:35:49.780 were saying was that

00:35:51.440 ultimately a lot of people

00:35:52.780 were promised that if they

00:35:54.380 went to college and worked

00:35:55.840 hard, that was the path to

00:35:57.740 success.

00:35:58.200 It's not guaranteed.

00:35:59.160 Like you, you gotta, you

00:36:00.400 gotta make your own way, but

00:36:02.200 this is, this is the, the

00:36:03.820 path that you traveled in

00:36:05.660 order to get to, uh, kind of

00:36:07.960 that upward mobility, that

00:36:09.300 American dream.

00:36:10.020 Um, and the problem was that

00:36:12.300 that path had become

00:36:13.300 increasingly difficult and

00:36:14.880 expensive, right?

00:36:16.600 You still have like

00:36:18.460 grandparents telling like the

00:36:20.160 story about how they paid

00:36:21.220 for college with a summer

00:36:22.220 job.

00:36:22.560 And that's great, man.

00:36:23.840 That's awesome.

00:36:24.820 I'm glad that they had that

00:36:25.860 experience and they were able

00:36:26.880 to do that.

00:36:27.480 I worked since I was 14.

00:36:30.540 My first job was at a subway.

00:36:32.680 I rode my bike because

00:36:33.960 obviously I didn't have a

00:36:34.760 car, uh, up to the subway and

00:36:37.480 worked, um, you know, making

00:36:39.380 sandwiches and it's a good

00:36:41.140 experience, man.

00:36:42.060 I have worked as I worked in

00:36:44.080 fast food.

00:36:44.640 I worked as a waiter.

00:36:45.840 I worked in retail.

00:36:47.080 I worked construction.

00:36:48.620 Uh, I worked a lot of jobs that

00:36:51.020 really are not great.

00:36:52.260 Call centers.

00:36:53.040 You know, I worked in those

00:36:55.420 jobs and it's a good

00:36:58.520 experience when you're young,

00:36:59.680 it teaches you to get through

00:37:01.920 difficult situations, not be

00:37:03.780 too proud, you know, keeps you

00:37:05.500 humble, helps you connect with

00:37:07.620 the people that you're, that

00:37:09.140 you're going to be working

00:37:09.760 with the rest of your life.

00:37:11.040 Those are good experiences.

00:37:12.800 However, I was never under the

00:37:14.360 illusion that I was going to

00:37:15.720 just pay for college by like

00:37:17.860 working a subway job, right?

00:37:20.180 That's just not how that

00:37:21.460 worked.

00:37:21.720 I worked through all the

00:37:22.440 college.

00:37:22.780 I helped pay down a good

00:37:24.700 amount of what I had to do.

00:37:26.660 And, you know, my parents were

00:37:27.680 kind, I was blessed.

00:37:28.620 My parents were kind enough to

00:37:29.520 help me with the rest, you

00:37:30.820 know, uh, but, but that is

00:37:33.060 not like everybody's situation

00:37:35.420 and it has only become more

00:37:36.720 expensive, right?

00:37:37.560 College has skyrocketed in costs.

00:37:40.560 And so a lot of kids who went

00:37:42.340 to college, even if they were

00:37:44.400 working, even if they went to

00:37:45.600 a state school, you know, they

00:37:46.640 didn't, they didn't just go to

00:37:47.880 and out of state college and

00:37:49.380 take out $200,000 in loans or

00:37:51.940 whatever, cause they couldn't

00:37:53.000 be bothered to work.

00:37:53.820 Like a lot of people who still

00:37:55.720 worked and did the right thing

00:37:57.560 and were smart about it still

00:37:59.220 ended up a scenario where

00:38:00.420 they're paying a lot of money

00:38:02.040 and end up in debt to get this

00:38:04.180 degree.

00:38:04.500 But finally they've got the

00:38:05.780 degree, right?

00:38:06.400 Finally, they got the degree

00:38:07.500 and they're going to break in,

00:38:09.240 right?

00:38:09.880 What do they discover?

00:38:11.160 Oh, well, sorry.

00:38:12.280 Uh, actually most of the jobs,

00:38:14.360 uh, that you were going to use

00:38:15.840 this college degree for, uh,

00:38:17.500 they've, they've either been

00:38:18.480 outsourced and we brought a lot

00:38:19.680 of foreign labor in to do them.

00:38:21.280 You got to compete with them.

00:38:22.280 Oh, and by the way, uh, because

00:38:23.960 they're foreign labor, they meet

00:38:25.280 DI requirements that you don't

00:38:26.800 meet.

00:38:27.140 So sorry, you don't get a job

00:38:28.680 here.

00:38:28.940 Right.

00:38:29.700 And so a lot of people are just

00:38:32.060 grieving the loss of this,

00:38:34.140 like thing that they poured eight,

00:38:36.940 12 years of their life into large

00:38:38.640 amounts of money into, to find

00:38:40.740 out that it doesn't do anything.

00:38:41.640 Now I get it.

00:38:42.540 Like there are, you know, dumb

00:38:43.680 kids who got degrees in modern

00:38:45.900 dance, uh, and went $200,000 into

00:38:48.500 debt and never worked a day in

00:38:49.740 their life.

00:38:50.140 And they're like, oh, I can't

00:38:51.000 make, you know, $500,000 a year

00:38:53.480 with my modern dance degree.

00:38:55.280 Yeah, I get it.

00:38:56.400 Okay.

00:38:56.700 I understand that.

00:38:57.720 I understand why you're

00:38:58.580 mocking those kids.

00:38:59.540 There's also plenty of kids who

00:39:00.860 got degrees in engineering or, or

00:39:03.860 even worse.

00:39:04.680 Like they got degrees in things

00:39:05.780 like accounting that didn't even

00:39:07.200 require a degree when their

00:39:08.780 parents went to college.

00:39:10.060 Certainly didn't require a degree

00:39:11.380 when their grandparents went to

00:39:12.780 college, it costs them nothing to

00:39:14.460 enter those fields.

00:39:15.220 They got an apprenticeship.

00:39:16.260 They worked for a few years.

00:39:17.660 Boom.

00:39:18.200 They were like a professional,

00:39:19.900 right?

00:39:20.120 They, they, that was kind of how

00:39:21.500 that worked.

00:39:23.060 And those kids are spending, you

00:39:24.760 know, large amounts of money and

00:39:26.100 time to get degrees and then find

00:39:28.120 out, oh, sorry, like some guy on

00:39:29.960 an H1B is picking up that

00:39:31.340 accounting job, that entry-level

00:39:32.780 accounting job.

00:39:33.500 Cause, uh, we, we just couldn't

00:39:34.800 find Americans to do the job,

00:39:36.040 except you sitting here in front of

00:39:37.740 me.

00:39:38.120 So what we're going to do is, uh,

00:39:40.240 well, I guess you, you just

00:39:41.280 need to find another way forward.

00:39:42.600 Right.

00:39:42.880 And so when you got a bunch of

00:39:45.560 conservative commentators and

00:39:47.980 influencers saying, oh, well,

00:39:49.340 sorry guy.

00:39:50.180 Like, I know that you worked really

00:39:51.780 hard and you did, you followed the

00:39:53.240 rules, you got the grades, you did

00:39:55.300 the work, but, uh, what you should

00:39:58.680 really be doing is getting a job at

00:40:00.020 Panda express.

00:40:00.980 Like, look at the money that you can

00:40:02.300 make as a manager at Panda express.

00:40:04.060 You could still make that money.

00:40:05.420 Isn't that great that that

00:40:06.680 opportunity is out there for you?

00:40:08.180 Well, no, it's actually not great.

00:40:10.360 Uh, if you're someone who like

00:40:12.720 actually trained and got an education

00:40:14.660 and went really hard in the paint to

00:40:16.880 like get access to a specific type of

00:40:19.600 job, no, it's actually not good.

00:40:21.480 And that's not entitlement that that

00:40:24.140 word was getting thrown around a lot.

00:40:26.120 Oh, all these guys are entitled.

00:40:27.740 They're, they're too good to do these

00:40:29.140 jobs.

00:40:29.580 No, no, that's wrong.

00:40:31.420 Again, I I've worked a lot of, you

00:40:33.420 know, manual labor, you know, food

00:40:35.900 service, I am very familiar with

00:40:38.180 these jobs.

00:40:38.820 I was never too good for them.

00:40:40.580 Okay.

00:40:41.320 I did these jobs.

00:40:42.960 So I am not saying this as like some

00:40:45.340 pristine, you know, nepo baby who

00:40:47.840 just, you know, glided into, uh, you

00:40:50.780 know, whatever I'm doing now and just

00:40:52.640 can't connect.

00:40:53.880 Uh, I, I have done these jobs, my

00:40:56.580 aunts and uncles and cousins and

00:40:59.520 friends do these jobs.

00:41:01.340 Okay.

00:41:01.780 I never moved to LA.

00:41:03.080 I never moved to New York.

00:41:05.340 I never disconnected from my

00:41:07.640 friends, family, and community.

00:41:09.240 I'm not surrounded by a bunch of

00:41:10.960 bunch of people who all rotate

00:41:12.320 shapes and, and, you know, write,

00:41:14.280 uh, you know, uh, write abstract,

00:41:17.420 um, you know, theory or something for

00:41:19.240 a living.

00:41:19.800 I'm surrounded by people who do

00:41:21.040 normal jobs.

00:41:21.900 These are still my friends.

00:41:23.200 You know, I, you know, friends who

00:41:24.900 stock shelves, friends who do

00:41:26.640 construction.

00:41:27.500 Like these are the people, you know,

00:41:29.200 you know, family members who were

00:41:31.380 UPS drivers, I know the jobs that

00:41:33.440 these people are talking about.

00:41:34.840 I'm not speaking about them out of

00:41:36.980 complete ignorance.

00:41:38.260 And yes, you know, if you are working

00:41:40.880 a UPS job for 20 years as a union

00:41:43.640 member and you get the best routes

00:41:45.320 and stuff, you can make good money.

00:41:47.420 You can't, you can actually pay for

00:41:50.360 a family in this kind of thing.

00:41:52.100 However, that is a lot of work and

00:41:57.460 you have to do, you have to put in

00:41:59.020 a lot of time.

00:42:00.180 You have to be part of the union,

00:42:01.940 right?

00:42:02.220 Like these things can happen, but

00:42:04.340 also like, I know the people who

00:42:05.740 broke their legs and threw their

00:42:06.880 back out and couldn't be at work

00:42:08.200 for years because of that.

00:42:09.440 And then the strikes and everything

00:42:10.980 else, like it, it's good.

00:42:13.100 If that's how you raise a family,

00:42:15.300 there is nothing wrong with that.

00:42:17.060 There is no shame in that you are

00:42:18.940 an honorable member society doing

00:42:20.820 good work, but I'm sorry.

00:42:22.740 Like Matt Walson, Chris Rufo are

00:42:24.600 not telling their kids to go like

00:42:26.380 become UPS drivers for a living.

00:42:27.940 That's just not reality, right?

00:42:30.280 Like that's because they're part

00:42:31.560 of the elite class and they know

00:42:33.360 it and they would never direct

00:42:34.620 their children to like ultimately

00:42:36.260 make that their end game, right?

00:42:37.940 There is a lot of good reason to

00:42:40.260 work those kinds of jobs.

00:42:41.460 Like, especially when you are

00:42:43.520 trying to ascend the ladder, right?

00:42:45.300 Drudgery in a lot of those jobs

00:42:47.760 is difficult, but rewarding.

00:42:49.240 As long as you know, you're

00:42:50.100 building a better future for your

00:42:51.600 kids and the kids after them.

00:42:53.980 But if you can't get married and

00:42:55.240 you can't have kids, then there's

00:42:57.520 not as much motivation to do that.

00:42:58.980 And if you already had parents

00:42:59.880 that climb that ladder, the whole

00:43:02.100 point was for that to be passed

00:43:03.340 on to you.

00:43:03.960 The point is not to be working 80

00:43:06.080 hours a week at Chipotle for the

00:43:07.940 rest of your life and your

00:43:09.800 descendants lives and their kids

00:43:11.320 and their kids and their kids.

00:43:12.320 You're not supposed to become like

00:43:13.680 some kind of feudal Chipotle slave.

00:43:16.560 The reason to work like that is to

00:43:19.160 create a future for your kids, to

00:43:21.040 create opportunity.

00:43:22.540 But if you're telling everyone, oh,

00:43:23.620 we'll just go back to square one

00:43:24.800 because we brought in too many

00:43:25.920 people to be engineers at Tesla from

00:43:27.640 India.

00:43:29.540 Well, what are they supposed to

00:43:30.900 think?

00:43:31.680 How are they supposed to invest in

00:43:32.760 the future when that is what you

00:43:34.440 are offering to these people?

00:43:35.940 Another really important thing that

00:43:37.580 people were just like throwing

00:43:39.000 around corporate manager jobs like

00:43:40.560 first, these salaries are fake, right?

00:43:42.280 Like, sorry, no one is making I

00:43:44.540 mean, I shouldn't say no one.

00:43:45.880 Someone is making $100,000 as like a

00:43:49.240 general manager of a Chipotle.

00:43:51.200 But, you know, that's because Rufo is

00:43:52.960 like in Washington, right?

00:43:54.140 Like I went to the Florida average.

00:43:56.520 It was like $50,000 a year, right?

00:43:59.240 Which doesn't sound terrible if you're

00:44:01.280 thinking in 1990 money.

00:44:03.260 But inflation has doubled the cost of

00:44:06.360 living in most of the important metrics

00:44:08.940 and tripled it in some housing, health

00:44:12.420 care, food, education, all the

00:44:15.600 critical things that you need to like

00:44:16.980 operate a household and have

00:44:18.440 children, they're all radically more

00:44:20.760 expensive.

00:44:21.600 So sorry, but like $50,000 is more

00:44:25.760 like $25,000 or $20,000 in 1990.

00:44:30.400 If someone told you they're making

00:44:31.820 $20,000 in 1990 in Florida, you'd be

00:44:35.540 like, oh man, that's not good.

00:44:37.020 And guess what?

00:44:38.020 Housing prices in Florida are way out

00:44:40.600 of proportion.

00:44:41.160 They're even more inflated than they

00:44:43.680 are in other areas.

00:44:44.360 So that, you know, $50,000 is your

00:44:47.040 average Chipotle manager salary in

00:44:48.920 Florida.

00:44:49.240 Well, the average house is, you know,

00:44:51.760 depending on what source you're looking

00:44:53.140 at, $380,000 to $400,000.

00:44:56.960 Okay.

00:44:58.360 You're never setting up a down payment

00:45:00.780 like that.

00:45:01.640 You're not going to create a scenario

00:45:04.380 where the average person is going to be

00:45:07.240 able to have a home and attract a spouse

00:45:10.200 and have children, which is like the

00:45:11.940 building block of conservative society.

00:45:14.300 So if you give a crap about families, if

00:45:17.520 you pretend to care even a little bit

00:45:19.820 about the family values and the, you know,

00:45:22.500 reproducing the very scenario that creates

00:45:24.520 the voters you rely on, then you need to

00:45:27.880 have families and you are advocating for a

00:45:30.820 system that does not produce them.

00:45:32.660 It just doesn't.

00:45:34.200 Sorry.

00:45:34.800 Money's not the only issue as to why people

00:45:37.020 aren't having children.

00:45:37.980 That's a much longer discussion, but it's

00:45:40.400 one of them.

00:45:41.680 And, and most importantly, the ability to

00:45:44.180 have status, right?

00:45:46.180 Like this matters a lot of another problem

00:45:49.440 with throwing around all these like corporate

00:45:50.980 fast food manager jobs is that most of them

00:45:54.360 are working for chain restaurants, right?

00:45:56.320 There is nothing wrong with food service.

00:45:58.620 There's nothing dishonorable, nothing below

00:46:02.080 you about food service.

00:46:03.180 If it is in service of you advancing yourself,

00:46:06.760 right?

00:46:07.820 All human beings, but particularly young men

00:46:10.960 need agency, right?

00:46:13.480 They need to master something.

00:46:16.100 They need to own it.

00:46:17.860 Excuse me.

00:46:19.060 That's, that's what makes work meaningful

00:46:21.460 for them.

00:46:22.560 So if you are working long hours in food

00:46:26.300 service, but you're doing it because you own

00:46:28.040 a diner or it's a part of a family diner

00:46:31.520 that you're going to own, that is a much

00:46:33.760 different experience than just working at

00:46:37.400 some nameless, faceless fast food chain.

00:46:40.300 That doesn't give a crap about you.

00:46:41.760 We'll fire you at a whim.

00:46:43.640 The minute you get sick, the minute there's

00:46:45.080 some kind of problem, like, and you're not

00:46:47.300 going to inherit the store.

00:46:48.540 Like it belongs to someone else.

00:46:49.920 The name is someone else's everything.

00:46:51.780 You, you can't make decisions.

00:46:53.060 It's all wrapped up in the bureaucracy.

00:46:54.980 It is the lack of the power process for

00:46:58.480 those who are familiar with that term.

00:47:00.120 There are a lot of people have discussed

00:47:02.020 this from, you know, Kaczynski to, uh, uh,

00:47:05.120 uh, you know, to Baudrillard.

00:47:06.620 There are a lot of people who have noticed

00:47:08.020 this, this malady of kind of the current

00:47:10.500 human condition.

00:47:11.920 If you have a scenario where you're telling

00:47:15.980 young men, Oh, involve yourself in this,

00:47:18.160 right?

00:47:18.920 Uh, you can make your money here.

00:47:20.460 Okay, maybe you might be able to make an

00:47:22.840 okay living, but you have no agency.

00:47:25.700 You have no authority.

00:47:26.880 You have no vision.

00:47:28.260 You have no future.

00:47:29.380 And therefore you have no status, right?

00:47:34.200 One of the keys to the American existence was

00:47:38.280 the idea of having that individual sovereignty

00:47:43.440 in your ability to own something.

00:47:45.800 Right?

00:47:46.140 I mean, obviously they're competing visions,

00:47:48.620 but the Jeffersonian understanding of the

00:47:50.020 United States was the citizen farmer.

00:47:51.980 Every man owned his own plot of land and

00:47:54.740 was self-sustained.

00:47:55.880 And that's what gave him the authority to

00:47:58.240 vote in and be a part of and have sovereignty

00:48:00.580 in a Republic because he was an armed citizen

00:48:03.240 with his own holding, able to care for his

00:48:06.520 family.

00:48:07.060 That is what made him a man and what made

00:48:09.720 him a citizen made him worthy of having a

00:48:12.280 voice in the government, right?

00:48:13.400 Like that is part of the American dream.

00:48:15.180 And that's why the middle class was so

00:48:17.280 important to the American dream, because it

00:48:19.640 wasn't just about making a dollar amount.

00:48:21.900 It wasn't just, Oh, I hit 50,000 or a hundred

00:48:24.160 thousand dollars.

00:48:24.880 I'm part of the middle class being middle

00:48:27.220 class meant owning a home, owning a car, and

00:48:30.380 usually eventually owning a business.

00:48:32.800 It was the independence.

00:48:35.100 It was the bourgeois nature, right?

00:48:37.920 Of it, that, that ability to be landed, to

00:48:41.960 own something, to have separation from the

00:48:45.100 system and that middle class existence carved

00:48:48.800 out a very special existence for Americans

00:48:52.660 because they took that excess wealth and free

00:48:56.580 time and everything else.

00:48:58.200 And they put it back into community, right?

00:49:00.980 They built churches, they built clubs, they built

00:49:04.560 fraternities, they built all these social organizations

00:49:08.460 that were critical and allowed the government to

00:49:10.820 stay small because there was all this web of

00:49:13.600 institutions that carried people through difficult

00:49:16.200 times and took care of the community.

00:49:17.940 And it kept things local because everyone was

00:49:20.260 invested in and tied into that community.

00:49:23.580 If you re proletaria, re proletarianize the entire

00:49:29.960 American middle class, if you make them all subject

00:49:33.120 to wages and corporations, rather than giving them

00:49:36.160 ownership over their homes and cars and businesses, then

00:49:40.680 you are stripping away that very critical social glue that

00:49:45.140 held America together and defined it.

00:49:47.360 Okay.

00:49:48.320 And if all of your prospects for young men is like, Hey,

00:49:52.100 well, I mean, why don't you just go work for this

00:49:53.960 corporate chain in the, like the lowest status job

00:49:56.560 possible?

00:49:57.160 At least you'll make some money again.

00:49:59.340 If I'm one-on-one with a friend and I'm looking at it,

00:50:02.700 I'm like, dude, it's either you work at Panda Express

00:50:05.420 or you're homeless.

00:50:06.860 You need to go to Panda Express.

00:50:08.800 It's either you work at Panda Express or you can't feed

00:50:10.980 your kids.

00:50:11.360 You need to go work at Panda Express.

00:50:12.640 That is absolutely advice.

00:50:14.180 I give one-on-one to a friend who I've earned the right

00:50:18.680 to say that to.

00:50:19.580 I know him.

00:50:20.440 I know his kids.

00:50:21.220 I know his situation.

00:50:22.720 I know his options.

00:50:24.860 And before I say that to him, I'm still, before I give him

00:50:27.580 that tough love, I'm still going to tell him, but I hear your

00:50:31.780 problems.

00:50:32.440 I see the issues you're facing.

00:50:34.520 I sympathize.

00:50:36.160 And that way he knows the context that that advice is coming in.

00:50:40.460 But when you look at a bunch of people you don't know who have

00:50:43.720 been systematically removed from our economy, from our educational

00:50:49.660 institutions, from the ability to make money, people have been lied to about the money and

00:50:56.300 time they're investing in college degrees and all this thing, when you look at them and

00:50:59.780 you're just like, well, maybe you could just like work a job like this.

00:51:03.320 They get very angry, right?

00:51:06.540 They have an emotional reaction.

00:51:08.280 It's not that there is no truth in that tough love, but there has to be love in that tough

00:51:14.220 love.

00:51:15.120 The love has to exist.

00:51:16.600 The trust has to exist.

00:51:17.720 You have to show me that you understand the condition of the common man before you start

00:51:24.600 preaching to them.

00:51:26.240 That's what people want to hear.

00:51:27.800 It's not that they don't want to be led.

00:51:29.140 It's not that they don't want to be challenged.

00:51:31.240 The reason that Vivek's speech on how Americans are lazy and stupid was so terribly received is

00:51:40.260 because he's an immigrant.

00:51:42.540 Well, he's not, he's born in America, but he is a second generation, I believe, uh, you

00:51:47.140 know, uh, uh, American, uh, you know, born here, but like he comes from outside.

00:51:53.380 He is Hindu.

00:51:54.420 He's supporting a culture that is not American and he's comparing his immigrant culture to

00:52:00.200 America and saying, well, the immigrant culture is better, right?

00:52:04.140 Like he, he is saying that this immigrant culture is better than the United States.

00:52:07.960 And so it feels alien.

00:52:09.740 It feels like an attack.

00:52:11.140 It is a attack coming from outside the culture.

00:52:14.740 Hey, I'm an immigrant.

00:52:15.780 I'm something different.

00:52:16.780 And because my people are smarter and better, we did things better.

00:52:19.820 And therefore we should take all the jobs and you guys who are dumb and lazy, uh, you

00:52:26.820 need to improve your culture.

00:52:27.960 And until then I'm going to fill all those jobs with people who have my culture.

00:52:31.360 Like people feel that very viscerally.

00:52:34.380 It's a very similar thing when you have these conservative talking heads who've spent most

00:52:38.820 of their lives, you know, uh, living in, in, uh, you know, kind of metropolises, uh, these

00:52:44.440 IQ shredder cities, going to elite institutions, drawing large paychecks.

00:52:48.980 You know, I worked hard.

00:52:50.740 Yes.

00:52:51.640 But I also got very lucky.

00:52:53.060 Okay.

00:52:53.600 I'm not going to pretend that, uh, I grew up some poor black child, right?

00:52:58.680 Like my dad was a lawyer, but he became a lawyer because he joined the military and

00:53:03.100 they paid for it.

00:53:03.960 And before that came from working class stock, you know, my grandpa was a mechanic, uh, you

00:53:08.780 know, that like, you know, that this, my mother, grandfather was a, uh, supply sergeant,

00:53:13.700 an enlisted man in, in the air force his entire life.

00:53:16.960 Okay.

00:53:17.520 Like they were hardworking.

00:53:20.040 They were good people.

00:53:21.300 They were intelligent, but they weren't exactly world leaders.

00:53:24.860 Okay.

00:53:25.600 So I have a lot of family members who are still in kind of those roots in that background

00:53:30.620 and they're awesome people and they deserve to be treated that way.

00:53:34.220 They deserve to be understood and treated with respect and told, Hey, yes, maybe you can

00:53:41.100 do better.

00:53:41.560 Maybe there is some tough love.

00:53:42.880 You need to hear about certain things, but ultimately I understand that inflation is

00:53:46.800 destroying the value of your dollar.

00:53:49.840 I understand that the pathways to upward mobility that were laid out for you have failed.

00:53:55.120 I understand it's very difficult for you to get a home and start a family and we're going

00:54:00.060 to address those issues.

00:54:00.980 But while we're addressing those issues, if you've got to take a job at Panda express,

00:54:04.940 take it.

00:54:05.480 All right, fine.

00:54:07.240 That that's a much better message, but that's not the message that people got.

00:54:11.140 And that's why the reaction came.

00:54:12.860 And I think, again, a lot of this comes from this cognitive stratification.

00:54:17.120 It's a bunch of guys who just don't have a lot of people around them who live in that

00:54:21.580 scenario.

00:54:21.960 They're just, they just don't know people who are in these industries who have been through

00:54:26.400 this stuff.

00:54:27.200 Yeah.

00:54:27.600 I got friends who are making tons of bank doing, uh, uh, construction, but guess what?

00:54:35.700 They're like the top 5% and the rest of the people in construction are burned out.

00:54:40.400 They, they, you know, they, they fall off a roof.

00:54:42.780 Uh, they, you know, they, they spend a lot of their life lugging heavy stuff all around.

00:54:46.380 They get permanent injuries that work's still got to get done.

00:54:49.200 I'm not decrying any of that, but I'm just saying like, sorry, not everybody who goes

00:54:53.200 into, goes into the trade ends up making 200, $300,000 a year as a plumber.

00:54:58.120 Some do, and it's awesome for them.

00:55:00.140 And you should do that if you can, but that is not a blanket solution anymore than college

00:55:04.900 is a blanket solution.

00:55:06.040 And we need to address those issues.

00:55:08.360 We need to address housing.

00:55:09.800 We need to address immigration.

00:55:10.820 We need to address the college monopoly on credentialing.

00:55:14.840 Like we need conservatives to put their money where their mouth is and actually hire conservatives

00:55:19.300 instead of hiring very not conservative people for very conservative jobs.

00:55:24.600 Like, I don't know what else to say.

00:55:26.480 Like when you behave like that, you can't be surprised when you get the response that

00:55:30.740 you do, because you're saying one thing with your mouth and then you're walking an entirely

00:55:34.460 different walk and people notice and they don't like it and you get bad reactions.

00:55:39.840 I think we need more people who are tied into these communities and with remote work, that

00:55:45.920 should be very easy, right?

00:55:48.800 Now there's no reason that you need to concentrate everybody in New York or LA or DC.

00:55:54.880 You can actually have people live in the areas that they're trying to influence the people

00:55:59.580 they're supposed to be representing and working for.

00:56:02.400 Like you don't have to go to all of these cities and become highly cosmopolitan and, you

00:56:09.660 know, live your life trying to get to different cocktail parties rather than connecting with

00:56:14.580 people.

00:56:14.800 Like you have that option now.

00:56:16.540 All right, guys, let's go to the questions of the people real quick here.

00:56:22.000 Jacob says, everyone asks, how do you, how do you like them apples?

00:56:25.620 But nobody asks, how can, or how do you rotate them apples?

00:56:29.600 Yes, the far more important question and you visualize them apples, a tiny stupid demon

00:56:35.900 says the most important ideas in the bell curve, in the bell curve is, is where they talk about

00:56:41.780 how much society stratifies on IQ.

00:56:44.540 Everybody I know thinks like me.

00:56:46.440 So surely everybody I don't know does too, right?

00:56:49.900 Yes.

00:56:50.220 That's exactly the phenomenon we're talking about, right?

00:56:52.400 I have this particular IQ.

00:56:55.280 Everyone must understand the world the way that I do.

00:56:57.880 Completely oblivious to the fact that actually intelligence radically defines the way you

00:57:02.840 live your life, the way you perceive the world, the way you interact with others.

00:57:06.260 And the only way you can see those differences is being in those communities.

00:57:10.140 You can't model them abstractly.

00:57:12.320 You just have to be in them.

00:57:14.340 You got to touch the grass in the communities where you're actually going to govern.

00:57:18.540 You can't just tell people from afar, Hey, well, have you tried working at the UPS?

00:57:23.740 Like you need to know people who have been through that and to, to be able to advise

00:57:27.720 them personally in a way that actually matters to them.

00:57:31.540 A perspicacious heretic says a lot of people look back on their hometown and say, I'm glad

00:57:37.300 I left.

00:57:37.980 Look how bad it's gotten here.

00:57:40.340 Not realizing it's because they left.

00:57:42.020 Exactly.

00:57:42.640 Right.

00:57:42.840 It is that you are pulling people out who would have improved that town, who would have

00:57:47.040 provided leadership, who could have been the George Bailey, right?

00:57:50.240 In that moment, you're pulling them out and you're saying, Nope, just send them to college.

00:57:53.600 Never come back.

00:57:54.300 Never look back again.

00:57:55.420 That's what Christopher Lash talks a lot about in his book is how much of the way that we

00:57:59.960 kind of farm elites out of our average neighborhoods decimates them.

00:58:04.220 The, the, the hollowing out of the middle class, the rust belt, the working class.

00:58:08.120 Those are not accidents.

00:58:09.540 Those are not unavoidable things.

00:58:12.340 They are a very specific phenomenon that is encouraged by the way that we have created

00:58:17.720 our society.

00:58:18.360 And when you ignore that and just say, Hey, why don't you go get a fast food job?

00:58:22.740 You're missing a lot.

00:58:25.180 Nathan, uh, look, uh, look low says, I don't want to work in a restaurant my whole life.

00:58:30.980 Elites learn to code.

00:58:32.500 Now I learned to code and I can't find a job.

00:58:34.260 Elites go work in a restaurant.

00:58:35.520 Right.

00:58:35.960 Precisely.

00:58:36.440 Right.

00:58:36.620 Hey, I, you know, we're phasing out these, uh, jobs.

00:58:40.420 They're, they're not going to be here anymore, but you could go learn to code and you'll

00:58:43.240 be valuable.

00:58:43.800 Okay.

00:58:44.160 I went to college.

00:58:45.120 I got the degree.

00:58:45.960 I learned to code.

00:58:46.680 Where's my job.

00:58:47.440 Oh, oh, we gave it to someone else.

00:58:49.460 You didn't think you were entitled to it.

00:58:50.980 Right.

00:58:51.240 We gave it to a foreigner.

00:58:52.640 Who's going to make less money.

00:58:54.040 Uh, cause you're lazy, even though you did exactly what we told you to do, but have you

00:58:57.660 considered going back and doing the job we told you to abandon?

00:59:00.800 Like there's a reason people are angry and the right to be, uh, K max McDonald says, learn

00:59:08.400 to code now switch to learn to make a sandwich.

00:59:10.520 Yeah.

00:59:10.860 I said from learn to code to, uh, learn to fry.

00:59:14.020 How does conning always find a way to stop seeing what, uh, what a problem immigration is.

00:59:18.060 That is always how, uh, they appear out of touch.

00:59:20.840 Yep.

00:59:21.320 Again, that's bang on.

00:59:23.360 Exactly.

00:59:23.720 Right.

00:59:24.320 If people who it's not that they had no truth in, in part of what they were saying, they

00:59:29.560 were so tone deaf in the way they were saying it and the people they were saying it to had

00:59:34.280 endured so much of this garbage again, from people who are often talking down to them from

00:59:39.100 positions where they have never been through these difficulties.

00:59:43.920 It's going to make people angry.

00:59:46.400 A tiny stupid demon says just read a canonical of Leibovitz and I'm halfway through after virtue.

00:59:51.640 So this is timely, uh, struck by McIntyre's idea that managerialism is fundamentally impossible.

00:59:56.900 Bring on the simplification.

00:59:58.200 Yes, I discussed that in my book, the total state.

01:00:01.140 Um, uh, you should read after virtue virtue.

01:00:03.420 It's an amazing book, but I specifically expound on, uh, you know, his, his managerialism, uh,

01:00:08.460 critiques, which you wouldn't expect in a, uh, a book that is primarily about Aristotelian,

01:00:13.080 uh, virtue, uh, ethics, but, but he does have a excellent, uh, chapter on it.

01:00:19.020 Uh, Florida Henry says boomers may be the first generation history where the saying respect

01:00:24.080 your elders won't apply again.

01:00:25.940 I don't want to just make this like straight up boomer hate again.

01:00:28.840 Like a lot of the guys who were making this criticism in, uh, online yesterday, we're not

01:00:33.940 boomers in age, you know, Rufo and Walsh that may be in mentality in this area.

01:00:38.980 Uh, uh, but you know, they, they are millennials that are, are kind of giving the same old

01:00:43.760 song and text.

01:00:44.420 And this is what I'm trying to break conservatives up.

01:00:46.700 Again, I don't hate these people.

01:00:48.560 In a lot of cases, I like these people.

01:00:50.980 They just got to break out of this, man.

01:00:53.040 They got to break out of this.

01:00:54.080 It's the mentality is poison.

01:00:55.780 Okay.

01:00:56.180 It doesn't help anyone.

01:00:57.580 It's gross.

01:00:58.680 It, it insults, uh, you know, young people who are working really hard and trying to

01:01:02.740 figure things out.

01:01:03.400 And again, it doesn't mean they don't ever need to hear tough love.

01:01:06.360 It just means you got to put in the work, man.

01:01:09.220 You got to build the credit.

01:01:10.620 You got to have that relationship.

01:01:12.120 You got to be willing to say, I have taken action on these like seven issues, but until

01:01:16.340 we get to it, here's the tough thing.

01:01:18.340 You got to pull through this.

01:01:19.580 That's a much easier message to hear, but if you don't preface it with that stuff, it just

01:01:23.880 sounds callous.

01:01:26.440 Uh, blue wizard rope says we are all sky King now.

01:01:31.500 Uh, sorry.

01:01:32.300 I don't know if I, uh, maybe that's a lyric or something.

01:01:35.540 I don't, I don't have that reference right away, but thank you for the super chat.

01:01:38.520 Sorry.

01:01:39.220 And George Hayduke says, uh, take on white collar, uh, take on white collars turning blue.

01:01:44.860 I know a lot of grad degree holders becoming carpenters, welders, electricians, good pay

01:01:49.400 and potential autonomy.

01:01:50.760 Again, there are people who find that, right?

01:01:52.620 There are people who go through the grind of these, uh, you know, these academic careers

01:01:56.760 and find that it's just not worth it.

01:01:58.180 They're not making enough money.

01:01:59.580 Uh, it's not practical.

01:02:01.200 Uh, it's just not fulfilling.

01:02:02.640 And they end up doing blue collar work because they're very intelligent.

01:02:05.400 They can easily pick up a trade, these kinds of things.

01:02:07.380 And for them, that's great, right?

01:02:09.200 Like more power to them.

01:02:10.340 There is nothing wrong with being a carpenter or a welder or an electrician.

01:02:14.720 There just isn't.

01:02:15.660 Those are honorable professions.

01:02:17.180 There's absolutely nothing wrong with adopting them.

01:02:19.720 But if you're trying to build a movement, if you're trying to tell people, Hey, we're going

01:02:23.500 to give you a future and we want you to be able to aspire.

01:02:26.720 We're going to make, we're going to create conservative leaders.

01:02:29.700 We're going to build them up.

01:02:31.320 Uh, we're going to put conservatives in important institutions.

01:02:33.660 We're going to take over those institutions that have been marched through.

01:02:36.780 Can't just do it with electricians and welders and carpenters.

01:02:40.040 And you need those people.

01:02:41.080 Okay.

01:02:41.320 Because guess what?

01:02:42.460 All the, uh, you know, white papers in the world, all the think tanks in the world,

01:02:46.740 all the media, uh, empires in the world don't function without those people.

01:02:51.480 And you need to respect them long haul truckers making your life possible and they deserve

01:02:58.540 your respect.

01:02:59.940 But at the same time, we're not pretending that long haul truckers are making all the

01:03:04.940 decisions that change your educational system that determine our judiciary branch and its

01:03:10.400 makeup that, that, you know, re reform the, the, uh, executive branch.

01:03:16.120 Like that is just not the case and everyone knows it.

01:03:19.680 So if you're complaining about the quality of talent inside a conservative movement that

01:03:24.940 doesn't allow you to fill positions, well, then maybe you should invest in it rather than

01:03:31.020 just saying, oh, well, I guess we'll hire a bunch of liberals to do the job instead.

01:03:34.720 Right?

01:03:35.200 Like, or we'll just send all the, uh, promising conservative talent to go, you know, be a welder

01:03:40.220 again, nothing wrong with being a welder, but you can't do investigative gate of reporting

01:03:44.600 if you're welding.

01:03:45.180 Okay.

01:03:45.620 So you have to have a recognition that there are lots of really great honorable positions

01:03:53.860 that are not ever going to achieve a certain level of impact on a macro bureaucracy, but

01:04:02.880 we'll have a giant impact on their community and they can be leaders and contribute powerfully

01:04:08.120 in that capacity.

01:04:09.120 And that is awesome.

01:04:10.100 And they should be honored for that, but we, we have to have a reality involved, right?

01:04:16.520 You just can't tell people that, uh, sorry, we're not going to solve any of your problems,

01:04:20.860 uh, but hope, hope you tough it out, you know, uh, at a fast food chain, my entire life, you

01:04:27.380 know, conservatives said, well, we can't raise minimum wage because, uh, you know, that's

01:04:31.360 not what fast food workers are.

01:04:32.820 It's not a profession that you do your entire life.

01:04:34.940 It's a, it's a stop gap that you do until you get a new, a real job, a good job.

01:04:38.880 Right.

01:04:39.400 And now they're like, well, yeah, of course you should work at fast food until you're,

01:04:43.540 you know, 50.

01:04:44.560 Come on guys.

01:04:45.300 We got to have some level of consistency here.

01:04:47.780 Otherwise people just feel like the rug is being pulled out from under them because it

01:04:51.080 is.

01:04:51.500 And that's garbage and people deserve better and you should treat them better and be more

01:04:55.080 thoughtful about the way you address these issues.

01:04:57.500 All right, guys, I'm going to go ahead and wrap this up.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - January 15, 2025

The Problem of Cognitive Stratification ｜ 1⧸15⧸25

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