The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Purging of the John Birch Society ｜ Guest： Alex Newman ｜ 2⧸2⧸26

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy, though I fear that my guest's camera may have cut off here, so we'll get to that in a second. Oh, there he is. All right. Today we're going to be talking about the John Birch Society. You might have heard the name in passing. Many people will discuss the Buckley Purges of the right wing. Some will say it as a celebration. Others will say it as a celebration.

00:00:30.000 If it's some kind of travesty for the conservative movement, but very few people actually get into the history of these purges. Who's involved? What were groups like the John Birch Society? Why were they turned away by the mainstream gatekeepers at the time? And why are many of them returning back in different forms today? Joining me today to discuss this is a journalist and author, Alex Newman. Thank you so much for coming on.

00:00:52.420 It's an honor to be here. Thanks for having me, Oren.

00:00:54.920 Absolutely. So before we jump into the John Birch Society, maybe you can give people a little bit of background on what you do, since people are probably unfamiliar with some of your work.

00:01:05.560 Well, thanks again for having me. And I'm a journalist. I write about a lot of different issues. I serve as senior editor at the New American Magazine, which is an affiliate of the JBS.

00:01:12.860 And in that capacity, I've actually spent a lot of time studying this very issue. In addition to that, I write for and have written for a huge array of publications in the United States around the world, including some establishment minded publications.

00:01:26.000 My work has been in Newsweek. I write regularly for the Epoch Times and a lot of other publications.

00:01:31.700 I also do a lot of books. My latest one, Woke and Weaponized, How Karl Marx Won the Battle for Education and How We Can Take It Back with Robert Borton, CEO of Classical Conversations.

00:01:42.160 And a homeschool dad, six children, Christian and Patriot. But my job is journalism.

00:01:48.460 And so I do my best to try to get the facts and explain them in a way that people can understand them.

00:01:52.860 The rare patriot journalists. So, so few. So, so many are needed.

00:01:57.560 All right. Well, Alex, let's dive into the topic at hand then, since it sounds like you are the perfect person to discuss it with.

00:02:04.220 I guess we'll just start from the beginning. Who were the Birchers? What is the John Birch Society? Why was it founded? 0.89

00:02:12.540 So the JBS was started in 1958 by a candy manufacturer named Robert Welch.

00:02:18.040 He looked around at the situation in the United States, an incredibly brilliant individual, homeschooled.

00:02:23.540 He was basically done with school by the time he was 12, enrolled at the University of North Carolina, got his degree by the time he was 16 and then went to Harvard.

00:02:31.180 And as part of his homeschooling, he read everything he could find in terms of history books.

00:02:34.900 And he realized that we had a big problem in this country.

00:02:38.880 He argued that we were facing an organized attempt to really destroy the United States as a free society in an effort to build a totalitarian one world system, which, you know, granted in 1958 wasn't common knowledge.

00:02:53.560 We didn't have the Internet. People didn't know about George Soros and the Rockefellers, all this stuff.

00:02:58.220 So he convened a group of very successful businessmen in Indiana, gave them a presentation about the nature of the threat that he saw.

00:03:06.920 And he really had in mind kind of the Soviet Union, the communist infiltration of American institutions, and argued that if we were going to survive as a free society,

00:03:15.080 we needed an organized effort to oppose that and to promote what he described as less government, more responsibility, and with God's help, a better world.

00:03:24.320 Some of the co-founders would be, of course, very recognizable to people, Fred Koch, the patriarch of the Koch dynasty that created Koch Industries.

00:03:33.960 You know, we all know Charles Koch, the libertarian today.

00:03:37.160 Alfred Kohlberg, a very successful Jewish businessman, just titans of industry, very, very well-known, powerful figures in their day.

00:03:45.260 And that was really the goal, organized resistance to this tyrannical agenda to preserve and protect our constitutional republic and our God-given freedoms.

00:03:53.680 But very early on, the commies figured out that this was a formidable group.

00:03:58.080 You know, membership was rising rapidly. It went up to about 100,000.

00:04:01.700 And the commies realized, oh, this is not going to be good if these people get traction.

00:04:06.880 And so they launched an organized smear attempt.

00:04:10.840 The Communist Party propaganda mouthpiece in the United States People's World ran a hit piece.

00:04:15.240 Some of those lies were then regurgitated in establishment publications.

00:04:18.900 But the JBS is still here. It has been, as my friend Gary argues, the vanguard of the Americanist cause.

00:04:25.640 It's named after the great John Birch.

00:04:28.780 People should know who he is, although very few people do.

00:04:31.540 He was a Christian missionary.

00:04:32.600 He was born from missionary parents in India, ended up going to China to try to preach the gospel there and bring people to Christ.

00:04:40.120 World War II broke out while he was there.

00:04:42.780 And a lot of people will know Doolittle.

00:04:45.640 And their airplanes basically crash-landed behind enemy lines.

00:04:49.280 Captain John Birch rescued them.

00:04:50.860 And so he was then commissioned as an intelligence officer with the U.S. Army,

00:04:54.740 kind of served in the OSS, the precursor to our intelligence agencies.

00:04:59.500 And he was actually murdered by the Chinese communists, who at that time, at least according to the establishment, were our allies.

00:05:05.940 Right. We were supposedly allied with them.

00:05:08.100 So they murdered him.

00:05:08.880 The U.S. government tried to cover it up.

00:05:10.820 And great, great American, great man of God.

00:05:14.800 And so the government tried to conceal that.

00:05:16.780 Robert Welch found out about it.

00:05:18.060 So he asked John Birch's parents, can we name our society after your son?

00:05:22.680 They said yes.

00:05:23.520 They became honorary life members.

00:05:25.360 And so that's kind of the genesis of this.

00:05:28.820 And, you know, for now 60, what is it, 67 years, the JBS has been working really through education to try to raise the level of understanding among Americans and now increasingly worldwide of the threats that our freedoms face and how we can protect our liberties in the face of this really organized attack.

00:05:46.340 Well, as you say, this is certainly an organization that's well ahead of its time today.

00:05:52.040 The fact that our elites are working together to create a one world government is kind of the most obvious thing in the world.

00:05:57.980 They just kind of announce it.

00:05:59.040 They hold organized organized meetings about it to celebrate it and, you know, kind of clap each other on the back for their efforts to create exactly that kind of organization.

00:06:08.760 So it seems far from wild now, but one wonders why it was even smeared as wild then.

00:06:14.720 I think we look at the way that the McCarthy era is treated and kind of the misnomers that swirl around kind of the state of America's relationship with communists inside of the country.

00:06:29.620 You look that even guys like James Burnham were writing, I think it was a web of subversion is the book about communist infiltration.

00:06:37.480 You know, mainstream guys who had access to the National Review were acknowledging this truth.

00:06:41.640 So why was the fact that the Birchers were talking about being anti-communist?

00:06:45.880 Why did that stick out among the different conservative coalitions?

00:06:50.760 Well, early on, JBS found a lot of support with major conservatives.

00:06:54.520 In fact, Robert Welch was friends with William Buckley.

00:06:56.760 He actually helped him start National Review, gave him money to start National Review.

00:07:01.020 And so, you know, there was a lot of synergy there.

00:07:03.740 But Robert Welch realized that what we were dealing with here was not just a communist conspiracy.

00:07:09.500 You know, communist conspiracy was OK.

00:07:11.100 You could say that, you know, you could be in Congress and safely say, hey, there's a communist conspiracy.

00:07:15.020 They're trying to infiltrate our institutions.

00:07:16.800 But Welch eventually realized that this was even bigger than that.

00:07:20.100 He realized that there was even a power behind the communist movement that really was diabolical in the truest sense of the word with a plan to overthrow freedom and overthrow free societies.

00:07:33.260 And there came a point where William Buckley, there's a lot of ideas about why this, why he may have done this.

00:07:39.780 But there came a point where William Buckley said, nope, that's too far.

00:07:43.440 And so he actually used his magazine, National Review, to denounce the John Birch Society.

00:07:48.060 First, Robert Welch.

00:07:49.240 He specifically said, I'm not attacking the Birchers. 1.00

00:07:51.480 They're nice people, you know, great stuff.

00:07:52.800 But their leader, Robert Welch, has got a problem.

00:07:56.060 And, you know, he argued that the JBS was too conspiratorial.

00:07:59.880 As you pointed out, today we all see this, right, that there is a totalitarian effort to build a one world government.

00:08:04.920 But if you go back to the 70s, that was not obvious.

00:08:09.040 Welch did predict that as we got closer to the end stage of this, they would do the equivalent of what he said was the equivalent of running naked through the streets.

00:08:16.800 And I think we're getting close to that phase now where, you know, whereas what they once said, oh, you're being a kook.

00:08:21.960 How dare you say there's a plan to create a world system?

00:08:25.000 They would say, hey, why wouldn't you want a world system?

00:08:27.360 Right. If we don't have a world system, we're going to have chaos.

00:08:29.860 We're going to have war, et cetera, et cetera. 0.97

00:08:31.160 So I think we're in that stage. But William F. Buckley, I think if conservatives today knew all the facts about his record, they would be pretty concerned.

00:08:41.000 Right. William Buckley notoriously was a defender of the United Nations.

00:08:45.620 The best thing you could say about the U.N. is that a waste of money for the Dictators Club. 0.99

00:08:49.900 He was a proponent of what he described as a totalitarian bureaucracy within our shores to combat the alleged communist.

00:08:56.360 How you combat tyranny with tyranny. It's kind of like covid. Right. Doesn't really make sense.

00:09:01.140 You can't comply your way out of it. And so all these things combined.

00:09:05.560 And he went on this tirade and suggested that Robert Welch was basically going overboard.

00:09:11.500 And one thing in particular that I think really set off Buckley and some of his allies was what started as a private letter.

00:09:18.380 You can buy a copy of it today. I would encourage people to do it. It's called The Politician.

00:09:21.840 And Robert Welch essentially examined Eisenhower and said, we have a problem here.

00:09:26.720 Right. And he looked at a whole bunch of things. He looked at Operation Keelhaul, where Eisenhower led the effort to deport millions of Soviet refugees back to Joseph Stalin so that they could be murdered, tortured, butchered, etc.

00:09:38.280 He basically handed Cuba to Fidel Castro on a silver platter.

00:09:43.720 Now, once Castro announced that he was a communist, he said, wow, only a prophet could have predicted that Castro was a communist because you had The New York Times saying he was a freedom fighter.

00:09:52.520 You had Herbert Matthews, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, deep state headquarters here, saying he was a George Washington of Latin America.

00:09:59.240 But Robert Welch warned he's a communist. The U.S. ambassador to Havana, Earl Smith, said U.S. government stopped supporting this guy.

00:10:06.740 He's a communist. So the arguments against Eisenhower really drove Buckley and some of the other kind of establishment conservative gatekeepers crazy.

00:10:15.380 But I want to add this here, Oren. A lot of people don't realize this is that, well, Welch attacked Eisenhower.

00:10:20.340 He was a war hero. Well, the only person to serve two terms in Eisenhower's administration, Secretary of Agriculture Ezra Taft Benson, agreed with Robert Welch.

00:10:31.660 In fact, he said Welch is correct in his assessments of Eisenhower.

00:10:36.440 He encouraged people to read that letter and he ended up calling the John Birch Society the most effective non-church organization in the global fight against communist slavery.

00:10:45.360 So there's a lot of facts that people don't know. If they did know, they'd be very alarmed.

00:10:49.720 And and, you know, today the spin masters have concocted a narrative out of thin air.

00:10:54.380 Right. Every once in a while you'll you'll see. And I assume it's mostly ignorance.

00:10:57.260 But every once in a while you'll see some neoconservative writer in The New York Times or The Washington Compost say that Welch was exiled from the conservative movement by Buckley over anti-Semitism or racism, something like that.

00:11:09.740 Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, while Welch was arguing against segregation,

00:11:16.240 William Buckley was promoting segregation in the pages of his magazine.

00:11:20.000 He had a whole article that he did in his magazine National Review that he called on on Negro inferiority and white superiority,

00:11:27.020 where he argued that blacks were inherently backwards and shouldn't be allowed to vote, white to be justified in using violence to prevent them to vote.

00:11:34.280 So they've really distorted the history. 0.98

00:11:35.960 Every once in a while you hear the anti-Semitism smear, which is totally silly.

00:11:40.320 There actually have been Jews involved in the JBS, including at the leadership level from the time of Welch's first meeting.

00:11:46.140 But that gives you some of the kind of the context behind the attacks, the smears and what the media likes today to call the purge of the extremists by the respectable gatekeepers like William Buckley.

00:11:57.600 Yeah, it's interesting because, like I said, it's almost never discussed in any real sense.

00:12:03.500 It's just, well, Buckley got rid of the kooks like the, you know, the JBS.

00:12:07.460 And usually if they bother to explain it at all, the explanation is, oh, well, they they called Eisenhower a communist.

00:12:16.300 They called him a communist agent. And and that's why they were expelled.

00:12:20.980 Did he actually end up accusing Eisenhower of being an agent of Soviet Russia?

00:12:26.740 He did not. Actually, he gave this whole dissertation.

00:12:30.660 Again, it started as a private letter that he circulated among friends.

00:12:34.080 But once it became public, he published it as a book.

00:12:36.480 But he lists all of these different things really troubling, right?

00:12:39.560 Giving China to the communists, giving Cuba to the communists, deporting all the Soviet, expanding the size and scope of government. 0.89

00:12:45.760 And he said there are several possible scenarios that could explain what's going on here.

00:12:50.360 One of those scenarios, he said, was that Eisenhower was a dedicated agent of the communist conspiracy.

00:12:55.580 Another was that he was being used and manipulated by communists.

00:12:59.400 But ultimately, when you look at the role of Eisenhower in advancing the cause of communism,

00:13:05.340 you have to seriously consider those scenarios and say, you know, which one is the most likely to be true.

00:13:10.420 And I would encourage people before just relying on what you learn in your fake history textbook or what you heard on Wikipedia or the fake news about Eisenhower,

00:13:17.560 go back and read the information that Welch compiled in this document.

00:13:21.260 Again, today, you can get it as a book called The Politician and make up your own mind.

00:13:25.040 And you tell me if you have an other explanation other than what Welch came up with, the different scenarios that could explain it.

00:13:30.960 I would love to know it. Frank, I don't know what was in Eisenhower's heart.

00:13:34.720 I know he had a reputation as a war hero from World War Two.

00:13:37.440 But you have to explain these things. You have to explain Eisenhower's role in handing Eastern Europe to the communists,

00:13:44.480 in handing refugees back to Stalin, in handing the most populated nation on Earth to the communists.

00:13:50.200 And, you know, I think Americans are owed an explanation here. 0.90

00:13:55.480 And if it was just innocent mistakes, OK, so be it. But let's see the evidence.

00:13:59.880 One of the other things that's usually cited for the reason that an organization like the John Birch Society is so dangerous is that people will say,

00:14:08.440 oh, they oppose the Civil Rights Act, which is always a strange attempt to even disqualify someone, of course,

00:14:15.400 because, you know, so did Barry Goldwater, who is still held up as a titan of the conservative movement.

00:14:21.900 People often, you know, kind of hold them up as the last true kind of libertarian option for conservatives.

00:14:28.080 And so it did the JBS oppose that. And if so, why is that devastating when other conservative heroes held the same position on principle?

00:14:38.060 Yeah, it's a very good question. And ironically, a lot of the people who bring that up are Democrats,

00:14:41.160 and they must forget that almost the entire Democratic Party also opposed the Civil Rights Act for different reasons, of course.

00:14:47.600 Now, Welch and the John Birch Society opposed the Civil Rights Act for a very simple reason.

00:14:51.800 It was unconstitutional and it remains unconstitutional.

00:14:55.580 For those non-constitutional scholars, go pick up a copy of your Constitution, read Article 1, Section 8.

00:15:02.380 It's got all the powers that have been delegated to the U.S. Congress and find anything on there that authorizes the Congress to tell businesses what they have to do,

00:15:11.400 that tells people they cannot have freedom of association.

00:15:15.260 Now, Welch was always very opposed to segregation and to racism.

00:15:19.360 In fact, he would kick racists out of the society.

00:15:21.660 There were many, many Black Americans, including some of the greatest Black Americans of that time, were proud members of the John Birch Society, people like George Schuyler.

00:15:29.920 And what's really funny about this, Oren, the main piece of evidence that they use to say,

00:15:33.840 well, the John Birch Society opposed the Civil Rights Act is a flyer that the Birch Society put out that says, what's wrong with civil rights?

00:15:40.440 And they just show that little piece of it, right?

00:15:43.320 Well, right underneath it, it says nothing, right?

00:15:46.180 Civil rights are good.

00:15:47.440 We're opposed to a civil rights act because it dramatically expands the size and the scope of government far beyond what the Constitution allows.

00:15:55.400 And of course, we see today that the Civil Rights Act was the battering ram that they used to enforce a whole bunch of other crazy stuff.

00:16:02.420 Most recently, it was used by Biden and Obama for the transgenderism and the homosex stuff.

00:16:06.980 It has been used as a bludgeon against conservatives, against institutions.

00:16:12.640 And as Welch very frequently pointed out, racism was ending.

00:16:16.920 Racism and segregation and all these things were on their way out the door, except for the fact that the establishment was stirring this stuff up precisely for the purpose of accumulating and usurping more power in the hands of a centralized federal bureaucracy.

00:16:29.860 And all those predictions that were made, if you go back and read them, what you'll find is they've all come true, something that people don't want to talk about.

00:16:38.440 And, you know, yes, the JBS did oppose some of the high profile civil rights leaders.

00:16:42.980 And I think if people knew the reasons why, they'd say, wow, that's a good point.

00:16:46.940 I wish I had known that.

00:16:48.060 A lot of the civil rights leaders were either themselves card carrying members of the Communist Party USA or were surrounded by card carrying members of the Communist Party USA.

00:16:57.680 And that even includes some of the people that you can't talk about, like Martin Luther King is, you know, his handlers, his chief speech writer.

00:17:03.620 We've got all this now from the federal documents.

00:17:05.880 We're involved with the Communist Party.

00:17:08.180 So the Birch Society has always been clear.

00:17:10.160 We support what the Declaration of Independence says, that all men are created equal, that they're endowed by their creator with unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

00:17:19.400 But that doesn't grant the federal government the power to micromanage businesses.

00:17:23.780 It doesn't grant them the power to interfere with freedom of association.

00:17:27.080 And if you want something like that, well, let's have a debate.

00:17:30.200 We can pass a constitutional amendment as outlined in the Constitution itself.

00:17:33.780 Well, and it's just obvious that every, you know, fear about this was realized to the point where it's now 2026 and I can't get conservatives to say, well, maybe we need to roll back parts of the Civil Rights Act.

00:17:49.080 Because we're so used to being able to dictate to every organization, every company, every educational institution in the United States exactly how it's going to staff itself, how it's going to conduct its business, how it's going to operate.

00:18:03.180 They can't even imagine a world in which the government does not have the power to force all of these things down.

00:18:09.100 Again, that's the conservative part of the society.

00:18:12.220 So I guess with all of this anti-communist work, why did Buckley ultimately, do you think, turn?

00:18:21.460 You kind of said, well, at some point he decided they were too much.

00:18:24.760 But was there any animating specific, if it wasn't Eisenhower, if it wasn't, you know, some of these other things, why was the JBS so dangerous?

00:18:34.240 Why would he want an anti-communist organization espousing what are basically mainstream conservative beliefs at the time?

00:18:41.040 Why would he want to run them off?

00:18:43.020 Yeah, that's a very good question.

00:18:44.220 And I don't know what was going on in the man's heart and in his mind, but there are some very troubling signs involving William Buckley.

00:18:51.280 He was a member of what's called the Skull and Bones Society at Yale University.

00:18:55.900 This should be a well-known organization.

00:18:58.420 Both Bushes were members. 0.70

00:18:59.940 John Kerry is a member.

00:19:01.540 They recruit a tiny little handful of people out of Yale every year, about 15 each year.

00:19:06.140 And the really strange organization, massively overrepresented on the Supreme Court, in the Congress, among CEOs.

00:19:14.220 And that's kind of strike one.

00:19:16.700 Strike two, he was involved in the Council on Foreign Relations.

00:19:19.940 This is really the primary globalist institution in America.

00:19:24.540 It is not a secret society.

00:19:25.900 I mean, they have a website.

00:19:26.700 You can see their membership list on the Internet today.

00:19:29.140 But incredibly influential.

00:19:30.560 Hillary Clinton, when she was secretary of state, gave a little talk at their when they opened their new office in Washington, D.C.

00:19:36.820 And she said, oh, it's great to have an outpost of the Council on Foreign Relations here in D.C.

00:19:40.360 Now I won't have to go as far to be told what I should be doing and how I should be thinking about the future.

00:19:45.340 So do we think that the leader of the conservative movement would be involved in the same organization that tells Hillary Clinton what she should be doing and how she should be thinking?

00:19:55.240 That's a little bit suspicious.

00:19:57.080 The CFR is a very shady organization.

00:20:00.180 I would encourage people to look into it.

00:20:02.000 It's something that I've had my eyes on for a very long time.

00:20:04.520 And unfortunately, they bring in a lot of fake conservative gatekeepers.

00:20:09.740 A lot of rhino leaders come into the CFR. 0.99

00:20:12.580 But if you read their own magazine, you'll see what the goal is.

00:20:15.000 It is to subvert the sovereignty of the United States.

00:20:17.880 The great Admiral Chester Ward, who spent 16 years as a member and then defected, ended up writing a whole book about it.

00:20:24.220 It's called Kissinger on the Couch.

00:20:25.920 He wrote it with Phyllis Schlafly.

00:20:27.520 And what he explains in there is that the main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is to promote the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and our submergence, he says, into an all-powerful one-world government.

00:20:40.560 He says the term of revulsion carrying the worst meaning among CFR members is America first.

00:20:47.580 And this is from an admiral in the U.S. Navy defecting and saying these things.

00:20:52.400 So the CFR is very shady.

00:20:53.900 Why would William Buckley be involved in a group like that?

00:20:56.760 That's strike two.

00:20:58.500 Last but not least, he had a long and very mysterious career with the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:21:04.400 You see he was stationed in Mexico working for the CIA.

00:21:07.960 Is that the kind of person, secret society, globalist organization membership, and intelligence community operations who should be considered the leader of the conservative movement?

00:21:19.700 You look at the public policy positions he took.

00:21:22.000 He supported abortion.

00:21:23.180 He supported, like I said, totalitarian bureaucracy.

00:21:25.840 He supported our continued membership in the United Nations.

00:21:28.760 It seems like on all the key issues, he was on the wrong side and neutralizing conservative efforts to stop that.

00:21:35.580 Just recently, it came out that he was the man responsible for purging everybody who was asking hard questions about immigration, mass migration in the early 1990s.

00:21:45.460 So it wasn't just the JBS.

00:21:47.080 He also went after, you know, Ayn Rand.

00:21:49.100 And obviously, I'm not an objectivist.

00:21:51.060 I'm not an Ayn Rand disciple, but I love her books.

00:21:53.580 And I think what she had to say deserves to be heard.

00:21:55.940 She made some very compelling philosophical arguments about freedom and free markets.

00:22:00.900 So Buckley, to me, and again, this is my personal opinion, but Buckley, to me, seemed to be kind of a gatekeeper working for the establishment, working for the insiders, working to make sure that conservatives could talk conservative, but never really become an effective resistance against this organized effort to subvert our freedom.

00:22:19.100 So very, I'd say, probably about six months ago, Tucker Carlson discussed William F. Buckley and his purges.

00:22:30.220 I think maybe Dave Smith was the guest at the time.

00:22:33.040 And this created quite the uproar all of a sudden.

00:22:36.660 How could you speak poorly about William F. Buckley, hero of the conservative movement? 0.97

00:22:40.920 You know, the guy who conserved nothing and led us to chopping off children's genitals. 0.94

00:22:47.300 I don't know the argument, I guess, ultimately for William F. Buckley, except he was there.

00:22:51.600 But you did see a lot of people get really offended about the idea that Buckley's purges had not been ethical, that his gatekeeping was not something to be proud of.

00:23:01.340 One of those guys was somebody like Ben Shapiro, you know, just kind of scoffing.

00:23:05.540 How could you question the sanctity of William F. Buckley and his purges?

00:23:10.040 Why is even, you know, after we see the truth about communist infiltration, we can go back now.

00:23:17.200 We have the records.

00:23:18.420 We have the evidence.

00:23:20.000 When you look at the obvious fact that one world governments are kind of the general point of every Western nation now is to try to forge some kind of one world government.

00:23:29.420 When you have that level of evidence where people are actively doing the very thing that the John Birch Society predicted, why is someone like Ben Shapiro saying, yeah, these guys were dangerous?

00:23:38.380 Great thing that Buckley got rid of them.

00:23:40.360 How can we have that much evidence in the modern world and still the kind of the mainstream conservatives line is get them to get rid of those dangerous kooks?

00:23:48.100 Yeah, it's a very good question, Orrin.

00:23:50.180 And I think the people who make those arguments can be broadly divided up into two categories. 0.98

00:23:55.360 There are the people who are just ignorant. 0.90

00:23:56.720 And, you know, I have been in and around institutional conservatism my entire career. 0.96

00:24:02.860 I've worked for a lot of the big organizations.

00:24:05.240 I've had good relations with a lot of the people at the D.C. think tanks.

00:24:08.760 And, you know, a lot of them, they graduate from college and they go through their training programs and they hear about this great guy, William F. Buckley, who kind of helped advance the conservative cause.

00:24:18.500 And so they don't really know the details of it.

00:24:20.700 They just know that, well, hey, that's what I'm supposed to think.

00:24:22.680 And so, you know, I don't know any different. So I'll just go along with that.

00:24:26.060 Then you have the people and I don't know which category Ben Shapiro might fall into.

00:24:29.020 But then you have the people who I think are serving the same kind of role as William F. Buckley, people who are deliberately using language that appeals to conservatives, people who are deliberately trying to gain the trust of conservatives, not for the purpose of conserving anything or at least nothing beyond 10 or 20 years.

00:24:49.900 Right now, conservatives want to conserve the same crazy ideas liberals were spouting 10 or 15 years ago.

00:24:55.040 That's where we are. And I think it's a perfect illustration of this.

00:25:01.460 Right. And we have conservatives defending multi trillion dollar federal budgets. 1.00

00:25:05.860 This would have been unthinkable 15 or 20 years ago.

00:25:09.120 We have conservatives trying to conserve the very things that the liberals were pushing less than two decades ago.

00:25:15.480 And so I think the establishment, if you will, the insiders, as Robert Welch called them, they've always understood that Americans are a generally speaking conservative Christian Bible believing people.

00:25:29.100 And if you're going to take over America, you can't just use the liberals.

00:25:32.120 I mean, liberals, almost a dirty word among normal Americans, you know, the kind of people who fix your truck and keep the roads running, the normal people that they need votes from.

00:25:40.900 So there's there's always been, at least in the modern era, an effort to prop up fake leaders to at the very least neutralize people who might oppose this conservatives, Christians, true patriots, and in some cases even use them for destructive purposes.

00:25:59.220 The Soviet Union was really, really good at this. Right.

00:26:01.600 They would prop up fake leaders and say he's the leader of the resistance to communism or the resistance to Stalin or whatever.

00:26:07.460 They'd attract all the people and then maybe divert them into something harmless or worse, round them all up later.

00:26:13.200 So we would be very naive not to realize that the enemies of freedom are organized, that these are the kinds of strategies that they use.

00:26:20.240 And by the way, they continue to use to this day.

00:26:22.760 And I suspect that William Buckley fell in that category.

00:26:25.500 And I suspect that a lot of the people today who are conserving the liberal ideas of 10 or 20 years ago are in that same camp.

00:26:36.400 They are agents, witting or unwitting, for those who want to steal our freedom and create this one world system.

00:26:42.460 So I think a lot of people would look at kind of post-World War II and the environment around that.

00:26:50.400 And we know at some level there was a large amount of communist infiltration.

00:26:55.860 We can recognize that now.

00:26:57.820 But I think a lot of people would look at someone like William F. Buckley or just kind of the general conservative, you know, capture apparatus, control apparatus.

00:27:06.480 Why they would be working so hard to kind of move America in this direction.

00:27:14.680 Was there no true resistance to communism or globalism?

00:27:19.860 Was the entire American right kind of post a Buckley purge simply, you know, some kind of containment operation, some kind of controlled opposition?

00:27:31.740 What was the mentality there?

00:27:33.560 Does a guy like Buckley think he's actually saving the American right or is it is it nefarious?

00:27:39.720 Is it really just a web of control to try to keep any actual opposition to kind of globalization from coming to the forefront?

00:27:49.280 In my opinion, Buckley was a dedicated gatekeeper for the establishment.

00:27:54.060 There's a really good book on this written by my late friend John McManus.

00:27:57.460 It's called William Buckley Pied Piper for the establishment where he lays out a devastating case against William Buckley.

00:28:04.100 You know, ignorance can be forgiven.

00:28:06.420 Being misdirected can be forgiven.

00:28:08.620 But being a conscious enemy of the movement you claim to be leading, that's unforgivable as far as I'm concerned.

00:28:15.480 And I think William Buckley really fell into that category.

00:28:17.720 Again, when you look at his history, when you look at his connections, when you look at the people who propped him up, you know, today, if we saw a conservative all over PBS, all over the pages of the Washington Compost, if the New York Times told us this is the leader of conservatism, we'd say that's ridiculous.

00:28:34.400 Since when does the New York Times define the leader of conservatism for us?

00:28:38.780 And we would all recognize that.

00:28:40.400 But if you go back to the 70s, back to the 80s, we didn't have the Internet then, right?

00:28:44.540 People were very naive.

00:28:46.200 People didn't realize the scope of the line.

00:28:49.140 So I think really when you look at Buckley and some of the other fake conservative leaders that have been propped up for us, I have to conclude that they were agents for the insiders, that they were wittingly and consciously working to neutralize real conservatism.

00:29:03.340 And I think that's why the obsession with purging the John Birch Society and other dissident groups that might have actually posed a real threat.

00:29:11.180 Now, they like to pretend like they succeeded in purging them.

00:29:14.400 Of course, that was never true.

00:29:15.780 Right. Despite William Buckley's best efforts, the John Birch Society continued.

00:29:18.980 There were governor and there's still hard to this day.

00:29:21.040 There are birchers everywhere in Congress, in the state legislatures. 1.00

00:29:24.480 There have been birchers who've been at the highest levels of the U.S. military, the governors, CEOs of major companies. 0.85

00:29:30.300 There are birchers everywhere. 1.00

00:29:31.660 Not all of them, you know, run around bragging about it.

00:29:33.940 It's kind of a quiet effort.

00:29:36.200 But he never really succeeded.

00:29:38.520 And if you look at the history of the Birch Society, it's distributed well over a billion pieces of literature, even among kind of establishment and establishment adjacent conservatives.

00:29:47.720 A lot of them read the John Birch Society's publications.

00:29:50.660 A lot of them read the books published by the John Birch Society.

00:29:53.580 And this is well known, even in kind of establishment conservatism.

00:29:56.500 So as much as they like to pretend they like to promote this narrative that Buckley purged anyone, the reality is that's simply not true.

00:30:04.980 And some leftists, incidentally, or are starting to recognize this over the last few years.

00:30:09.040 You've had a lot of high profile leftists.

00:30:11.960 G. Tier, one of the big editors over at Mother Jones and New Republic, did a really interesting thing where he said Trumpism is Birchism.

00:30:19.720 And the John Birch Society won and conservatism is now basically the John Birch Society.

00:30:24.920 And you've had a lot of people saying that people like Matthew Dalek just did a big book on this.

00:30:29.500 More and more, they're starting to recognize that the purges were more a narrative, a fiction concocted by people like Buckley and his establishment promoters than actual reality.

00:30:39.760 Yeah, and I definitely want to get in with you to just kind of talk a little bit about what the JBS is doing today.

00:30:47.960 We'll definitely do that here a little bit towards the end of our discussion.

00:30:52.140 But I did want to ask you this.

00:30:54.220 I'm somebody who is obsessed with the work of James Burnham, the manager of Revolution, his understanding of the way that our politics developed.

00:31:02.760 I wrote a book called The Total State, which built upon this.

00:31:07.440 And it's my, you know, at least in my understanding, the one world conspiracy, I guess you could call it, the desire towards one world government is both, I think, something that, you know, obviously has always been a dream of a certain type of person, especially a leftist.

00:31:24.420 But this is this idea of unifying the world and creating this one world government has been a long running theme in secret societies and other things for hundreds, if not thousands of years.

00:31:36.220 So that's not new in and of itself.

00:31:38.640 But I think what we're experiencing post the Industrial Revolution, post the Managerial Revolution, is a large amount of incentives that drive pretty much every government towards globalization, the economic realities, the geopolitical realities, the acceleration in technology, transportation.

00:31:57.960 All of these things shorten the distance we need to interact with each other, which also means it shortens the distance governments need to control one another, interact with one another.

00:32:08.680 Our elite classes now share more with each other than they do with the people that they rule over, building this kind of natural disdain for the people that are below those who see themselves as elevated and those that see themselves as educated and worthy of controlling the globe.

00:32:25.840 And so I don't know if it's so much a conspiracy, though, I do think conspiracies happen all the time.

00:32:32.040 You know, the old joke is a conspiracy is called lunch, right?

00:32:34.820 Like, I think that that's, you know, that those things happen.

00:32:37.400 I think, of course, guys like Bill Gates get together with a guy like Jeffrey Epstein and a guy like Bill Clinton and they talk and they make plans.

00:32:44.160 But I don't know if there has to be necessarily like a super nefarious one world plan so much as a incentive structure in our managerial, you know, kind of development, which draws us to this.

00:32:57.420 And so I wonder, you know, you mentioned that the Birchers saw communism.

00:33:00.800 They were anti-communism, but they saw that the one world government drive was beyond communism.

00:33:06.020 It wasn't just communism.

00:33:07.400 And I think that makes sense because today a lot of people will just mix up the two.

00:33:11.900 They'll just say, oh, well, there's a one world government.

00:33:13.880 And so, like, Klaus Schwab is also a communist.

00:33:16.960 And it's like, like, I can see it if you turn your head slightly, but I don't know if there's the same thing.

00:33:22.580 So I guess that's a lot of words to ask you a very basic question.

00:33:26.700 Do you think that the current one world government we push now, is that a descendant of communism?

00:33:33.320 Does it have communist aspects?

00:33:35.480 Is it entirely free of communist infrastructure?

00:33:39.420 Have we transcended communism into something else, a managerialism driving us towards this global one world government?

00:33:45.920 What would many in the JBS say about kind of this development over time, which has proven their thesis right, that we are absolutely moving towards a one world government, but maybe not directly under, say, a strict communist understanding?

00:33:58.840 Yeah, and I think that's a very good point, Oren, and I would agree 100 percent.

00:34:02.620 And I know most birchers would as well.

00:34:05.200 If you look at the powers that have been promoting communism, that have been using communism as a weapon to tear down societies, tear down the family, tear down the church so that you can build back better, to use the modern lexicon, they're not communists themselves.

00:34:19.340 And I think part of this stems from a misunderstanding of communism itself.

00:34:23.580 The traditional understanding of communism by your average Joe on the street is that this is some kind of ideology in favor of some kind of economic system.

00:34:31.080 I think that's a flawed understanding.

00:34:32.880 Welch actually called it a smokescreen for a cabal of power-hungry megalomaniacs who wanted to take over. 0.99

00:34:39.480 And so they use this, quote-unquote, ideology to enlist the support of useful idiots so that they can kind of convince themselves that they're doing something good, all the while the masters behind the scenes know that they're just useful idiots and that many of them, come revolution time, will end up being wiped out as well. 0.98

00:34:54.640 So you look at, and there's a lot of pieces of evidence I could bring in here. 0.99

00:34:58.420 David Rockefeller is a really interesting example.

00:35:00.400 I don't think anybody could fairly accuse him of being a communist.

00:35:03.340 He certainly was a big-time globalist.

00:35:05.320 He was the leader of the Council on Foreign Relations.

00:35:07.320 And yet he was almost always in everywhere very fond of communists.

00:35:11.660 Him and Fidel Castro were like two peas in a pod.

00:35:14.460 He went over to communist China in the early 1970s, and he comes back in 1973, writes in the New York Slimes a piece called From a China Traveler, where he says, and I'm quoting almost word for word here,

00:35:24.980 that the social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most successful in human history.

00:35:32.640 They had murdered about 50 million people up to that time.

00:35:35.420 Now, do we believe that David Rockefeller was ready to give all his wealth to the proletariat? 0.82

00:35:39.700 Of course not.

00:35:40.560 Of course not, right? 0.97

00:35:41.280 That's silly.

00:35:42.080 So you go to one individual who helped shed a lot of light on kind of the workings of this establishment, if you will.

00:35:49.540 He was a mentor to Bill Clinton.

00:35:51.280 He was a professor at Georgetown University called Carol Quigley.

00:35:53.940 And he wrote a book that's very important.

00:35:55.600 I have it right behind me.

00:35:56.820 It's called Tragedy and Hope, A History of the World in Our Time.

00:35:59.500 And he kind of brags that he's been close to these people all his life.

00:36:02.860 He's been close to their institutions.

00:36:04.560 He says he agrees with their goals.

00:36:06.600 And he describes the end goal as a political and economic system that can dominate the politics of every country and the economy of the world as a whole.

00:36:15.600 It would be in the hands of a tiny elite with the apex of the system being the Bank for International Settlements,

00:36:21.260 where basically everything would be decided at secret meetings and conferences.

00:36:24.340 And again, this is a guy who says he likes this.

00:36:25.980 He's in support of it.

00:36:27.280 His chief difference of opinion, he said, is that they want to be secret.

00:36:30.360 He thinks they ought to be known.

00:36:31.540 And he talks about this interesting relationship that these powers, as he describes them, the Anglo-American establishment have with communism.

00:36:38.680 He says they frequently collaborate and cooperate with communists and have no aversion to it.

00:36:45.500 So I think that's really the way to understand it.

00:36:48.860 You know, I think the most important book ever written about communism that I know of was called Marx and Satan.

00:36:54.820 It was written by a Romanian pastor who was tortured by communist savages for over a decade in Romania.

00:36:59.620 And what he found was that Marx himself was not like the atheist, you know, conspirator that we're led to believe.

00:37:06.280 The guy was in partnership with Satan.

00:37:08.640 So you kind of take everything that God teaches in the Bible.

00:37:11.040 Don't murder.

00:37:11.800 Don't steal.

00:37:12.820 Don't covet.

00:37:13.680 You flip it exactly upside down.

00:37:15.600 And that's what drives these people.

00:37:17.880 And I should point out, you know, when it comes to this idea of conspiracy, I grew up with these people, Warren.

00:37:23.120 I went to the most elite international schools in the world.

00:37:25.920 I grew up with the children of the people who are pushing this agenda forward.

00:37:29.620 And most of them, if you ask them, they think of themselves as good people.

00:37:33.220 They have different reasons for why they want this.

00:37:35.460 You know, we're going to end war. 0.62

00:37:36.900 You know, we're so much smarter than everybody else.

00:37:38.780 This is going to be for their own good.

00:37:40.780 That's the world I come out of.

00:37:42.460 I obviously reject both of those ideas.

00:37:45.080 But it goes back to what the Bible teaches.

00:37:47.300 You know, the idea of dividing mankind up into nations was not a human innovation.

00:37:52.000 Right.

00:37:53.040 God told people after the flood, he said, you know, spread out across the whole face of the earth and, you know, be fruitful and multiply.

00:38:00.120 And they said, no, we're good.

00:38:01.100 We're just going to stay here and, you know, just build this big, huge tower.

00:38:03.460 And God eventually forces the issue.

00:38:05.240 And twice in the scriptures, in Deuteronomy 32, in Acts 17, it says God divided mankind.

00:38:10.440 He fixed the borders among the people.

00:38:13.260 And so I think what we're really dealing with here is a diabolical effort to overturn all that is good, to smash any institution that is a rival to the total state.

00:38:23.940 And communists are kind of useful in it.

00:38:26.180 And we see this throughout history.

00:38:27.400 Karl Marx was financed by the League of the Just.

00:38:29.200 The Soviet Revolution was financed by Wall Street, as documented by the great Stanford historian, Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution.

00:38:35.960 His name was Anthony Sutton.

00:38:37.500 Marvelous book.

00:38:38.540 And then we spent decades building up the Soviet threat. 0.90

00:38:41.620 We helped the communist Chinese take power and we betrayed our ally Chiang Kai-shek. 0.90

00:38:45.820 So over and over and over again, you see this pattern.

00:38:48.260 And so I agree with you.

00:38:49.100 You know, there's not some overarching communist conspiracy.

00:38:52.460 Communism is not an ideology at all.

00:38:55.120 It's a smokescreen for a cabal of megalomaniacs trying to tear down national sovereignty, individual liberty, and ultimately Christian civilization. 0.65

00:39:03.480 Well, I think, yeah, and 10 years ago, this is probably why people treated the Birchers that way at the time.

00:39:09.940 But 10 years ago, if you had said, oh, well, you know, this is we're really what we're really battling is a satanic inversion of, you know, God's natural order.

00:39:17.180 People would have been like, oh, OK, crazy pants. 0.91

00:39:19.380 Now it's like, yeah, probably.

00:39:21.000 Yeah, yeah, that sounds right.

00:39:22.640 As the Church of Satan, you know, celebrates abortions and child mutilations and, you know, a state house somewhere with the sanction of the government, it's hard to, you know, ignore that.

00:39:33.180 Increasingly, the spiritual warfare aspect becomes more and more difficult.

00:39:37.080 But this does lead us to an interesting, I think, problem a little bit for the Birchers here, which I'd like to bring up to you and see what you think about this.

00:39:44.860 But, you know, one of the points that Burnham made, of course, was that communism and fascism and liberal democracy were all just kind of racing towards totalitarianism.

00:39:54.940 They all needed their own version of totalitarianism.

00:39:57.540 But whether you're FDR or Hitler or Stalin, you're all trying to solve the same problem, one of massification and scale, right?

00:40:04.340 Like that, whatever your ideology is, you're more or less throwing that out the window to create, you know, these kind of modern states.

00:40:11.980 And one of the things I've noticed is that, you know, obviously Karl Marx was famously said he was a fan of free trade because it dissolved national borders.

00:40:22.620 He was hoping that ultimately the dissolution of national borders, the destruction of, you know, this is why communists supported feminism because it destroyed the family.

00:40:31.500 And families are natural, you know, they naturally prohibit the breaching of borders.

00:40:39.500 They, you know, go ahead and support the natural formation of nations and peoples and those kind of things.

00:40:45.360 And so they want these things to break down and destroy it.

00:40:47.600 And so in some ways, kind of the unfettered free market seems to have a level of breaking down those very barriers, ones which Marx was hoping to build on.

00:41:01.120 Now, ultimately, it failed for him.

00:41:02.540 And, you know, the Russian Revolution was not one that was spurred on by any kind of capitalism.

00:41:06.940 It happened in a backwater, which seems to be the case in a lot of communist instances.

00:41:12.000 So obviously this is a massive flaw with this theory, but ultimately the idea was that, you know, capitalism would kind of hollow out the characteristics of the nation and then communism could swoop in and globalize everything after kind of feasting on the excess that capitalism had created.

00:41:29.880 And so now that we see the main way that this kind of global conspiracy is deployed, seems to be more neoliberal economics than perhaps classically Marxist understanding.

00:41:42.560 What are then the implications for people like the JBS who want to support economic freedom, but also recognize that there has to be a level of preference for one's people, one's nation, one's tradition, one's God that might inhibit this free exchange.

00:41:58.980 And if you don't have that, then eventually the Marxists can just come in and clean up what's left of your nation once it's been pulled apart.

00:42:05.520 Yeah, Marx was absolutely right about how free trade could be used and weaponized to undermine freedom, undermine national sovereignty and ultimately undermine free markets.

00:42:14.680 And I think it's important here to point out that unfettered free markets combined with human nature, which is the Bible says the heart is desperately wicked, can lead to serious problems.

00:42:25.280 You know, free markets are not perfect. And if you allow wicked human beings to pursue whatever their desires are, you're going to end up with slavery and assassination services and things like this.

00:42:35.640 So we have to start with the fundamental premise that our founding fathers discerned from the scriptures.

00:42:39.780 They called it a self-evident truth. But we all have rights that come from God.

00:42:43.600 God gave us a right to life. God gave us a right to liberty.

00:42:45.780 God gave us a right to own property. And all of that framework needs to be combined with the moral code that we learn from the Christian system, from the biblical law, from the Ten Commandments that were given to Moses on Mount Sinai.

00:43:01.680 And when you separate the two, you end up with a really significant problem.

00:43:05.100 And I think the evildoers understand this very well. Today, we see the so-called idea of free trade being used to actually put nations in chains under the guise of free trade.

00:43:15.740 The European Union is a really good example. Hey, we're going to have free trade.

00:43:18.560 Oh, and by the way, now we have a super national government that's going to veto your own elected parliament's national budget. 0.75

00:43:24.600 So they're using this concept of free trade absolutely to hollow out our national sovereignty, to build this international patchwork of regional governments.

00:43:33.140 And so Marx had some things right. Obviously, he had some things very wrong.

00:43:37.920 You know, Gramsci later came back and said, well, why don't the advanced capitalist countries fall for this?

00:43:41.760 Well, they got churches and families, so we got to infiltrate the cultural institutions.

00:43:46.120 But ultimately, I mean, we have to recognize that this is really a battle against evil.

00:43:51.460 And I don't think a lot of conservatives and even libertarians understand it.

00:43:56.200 I think if we just present superior philosophical and rational arguments,

00:43:59.820 then all the commies and all the destroyers of civilization are going to say, oh, OK, I'll come join your side now.

00:44:05.480 That's not going to happen. A lot of these people are actually evil. 0.94

00:44:09.700 And a lot of these people will exploit anything, whether it's free speech or free markets or anything to advance that.

00:44:15.480 And so that's why it's critical, as John Adams said, right?

00:44:17.420 Our Constitution is fit only for a moral and religious people. 0.99

00:44:21.060 It's wholly inadequate for the government of any other.

00:44:23.460 You really cannot have a free society.

00:44:25.860 You cannot have liberty if it's divorced from those principles that underpin what we used to call Christendom or the free world.

00:44:32.800 Now, today, we often call it the West.

00:44:36.020 So before we go to the questions of the audience, Mr. Newman, what is the JBS up to now?

00:44:42.200 How can people join, get involved if they want to join?

00:44:45.420 Well, what the JBS has always done is it picks the key issues that are essential for the survival of our country, for the survival of our freedom.

00:44:53.700 And then it concentrates the efforts of its members all across the country and its supporters across the country to really move the ball down the line.

00:45:00.960 So some of the ones working on right now get us out of the United Nations.

00:45:04.420 Right. There's a great bill in both houses of Congress, the Defund Act, the disentangling or yeah, it's not just defund.

00:45:10.700 It's disentangling entirely from the United Nations Debacle Act.

00:45:13.460 So that's one that the JBS is pushing really, really hard right now.

00:45:16.900 Another is to save our children from public schools, from government indoctrination.

00:45:20.800 We keep handing our children over to these systems.

00:45:23.320 We're going to lose the next generation and it will be very difficult to ever recover from that. 1.00

00:45:28.040 We're fighting efforts right now to to change the Constitution.

00:45:31.740 There are forces that they were trying to use liberals before.

00:45:35.000 Now they're trying to use conservatives to convene a big conference that would open up our Constitution to being changed. 0.90

00:45:40.620 So we're pushing back on that, pushing against some of these very free trade agreements that we were just talking about that have been used to undermine our national sovereignty, pushing to end the Federal Reserve.

00:45:51.060 Right. They basically captured our money system and they've used it now for generations to hollow out the middle class and basically buy up all our companies and our assets under the guise of free markets to go back to what we were just discussing.

00:46:04.620 So those are some of the key ones right now.

00:46:06.580 People can find out more at JBS dot org.

00:46:08.800 You can kind of see what we're about, you know, what what projects are being worked on right now.

00:46:13.100 There's a lot of different affiliates.

00:46:14.760 The New American Magazine, where I serve a senior editor, is one.

00:46:18.280 There's the Law Enforcement Charitable Foundation working with law enforcement across the country.

00:46:21.920 We produce the law enforcement intelligence brief.

00:46:24.260 Goes out to every police chief and sheriff in the country.

00:46:26.660 There's a school that's an affiliate.

00:46:28.120 I'm on the board of that.

00:46:28.800 It's called the Freedom Project Academy.

00:46:30.680 I've got over a thousand students around the world.

00:46:33.640 K through 12 online classical Christian school.

00:46:35.980 So lots of different options for people to get involved in their own way.

00:46:39.920 And I would encourage people to just go check it out and see what you think.

00:46:42.660 There you go, guys.

00:46:43.840 Publications, schools, everything you would need to know about getting involved and understanding what the JBS is all about.

00:46:51.120 All right.

00:46:51.580 Let's go to the questions of the people real quick.

00:46:54.520 Cherry Coke Nixon says growing up means being disillusioned about Bill Buckley and Reagan.

00:46:59.640 JBS becoming a Dillon song shows corporate media treated it as the QAnon of its time.

00:47:07.800 I don't.

00:47:08.280 Is it in a Dillon song?

00:47:09.240 I'm trying to remember all of a sudden.

00:47:10.640 Yes.

00:47:11.160 Do you know which one?

00:47:12.280 I do.

00:47:12.660 Bob Dillon made a song kind of making fun of the JBS, you know, acting like JBS was extreme and kooky.

00:47:20.880 And I think it's interesting that before he died, Bob Dillon did that famous interview where he kind of admitted that he had sold his soul to the chief commander.

00:47:29.420 You know, clearly a reference to Satan.

00:47:31.520 So, you know, do with it what you will.

00:47:33.460 Uh, Jay Warville says William Buckley did, uh, far more damage and, uh, neutered the right, uh, than the left ever did.

00:47:43.340 I mean, yes, obviously if you're controlling the ability to push back against the left, you're going to make sure that, uh, you have no real opposition, which is going to create the most damage possible.

00:47:53.820 Nixon says, uh, the CRA VRA to quote Oliver.

00:47:57.580 However, it's the current year.

00:47:59.540 Yeah.

00:47:59.720 Well, it continues to be, uh, with us and cause quite a bit of problems, uh, which, you know, I know it's a far climb and many people will mock me for it, but I'm going to continue to be pushing that the CRA needs to go.

00:48:11.400 Uh, and until we get that done, we simply cannot have a free America living under the actual constitution.

00:48:16.880 We will simply be ruled by this second constitution.

00:48:22.040 Uh, let's see here.

00:48:23.120 Nixon also says murdered JBS chairman, Larry McDonald equals Patriot.

00:48:27.040 I'm not familiar with that history.

00:48:28.560 Could you clue us in real quickly about what that, what he's talking about there?

00:48:31.960 Yeah, this was a horrific tragedy.

00:48:34.380 I'll try to give the abbreviated version.

00:48:35.840 So in 1983, Congressman Larry McDonald was, uh, the chairman of the John Birch society, a great Patriot.

00:48:43.240 He was a Democrat, but don't hold that against him.

00:48:45.140 He was a very conservative Democrat, a hardcore constitution, probably the most constitutionalist member of Congress, maybe with, with, uh, Congressman Ron Paul.

00:48:53.040 And, um, he got on an airplane.

00:48:55.520 He was on his way to Korea, South Korea to celebrate freedom.

00:48:58.320 And the show Soviets shot his plane out of the sky.

00:49:01.660 This was in September of 1983.

00:49:05.020 Uh, they claimed that they killed everybody on board.

00:49:07.900 Uh, we have very good reason to believe and very strong evidence that the plane actually made an emergency landing.

00:49:12.700 Uh, that he was kidnapped by the Soviets, uh, taken to Moscow, uh, terrible things.

00:49:18.600 Um, but yeah, uh, and, and I think the reason they had to take out McDonald, he was basically unstoppable.

00:49:24.300 Uh, I mean, he had, I think 250 members of Congress show up at his funeral.

00:49:27.560 There was a lot of talk of him becoming president.

00:49:30.400 Uh, he famously debated, uh, uh, William Buckley.

00:49:33.140 Uh, he was becoming very, very well known.

00:49:35.300 They threw everything at him to try to dislodge him from his congressional district and they were unable to.

00:49:40.480 And I think if he had not been taken out like this, there was a very real chance he could have been president or at least caused such a splash that it would be impossible for the evildoers to proceed.

00:49:52.700 Manny Ud says, uh, the more I read about history, the more I realize we have been here before.

00:49:58.300 Yes, that's why they encourage you not to read history because then you might be able to figure out what's going on.

00:50:03.620 And it's amazing what you can do with just a little bit of context.

00:50:06.920 All of a sudden the news isn't quite so confusing.

00:50:09.200 Political maneuvers aren't quite so inexplicable.

00:50:13.000 Buggo says, uh, does JBS believe in American exceptionalism?

00:50:17.880 Uh, no question that, uh, members of the Birch Society and the leadership believe that America is an exceptional nation.

00:50:23.940 Uh, that's one of the reasons why we focus so much on the constitution, the, the wisdom of the founding fathers, the declaration of independence, which of course they didn't invent all this stuff.

00:50:32.020 This was synthesized from, as you said, an in-depth study of world history of the Bible, but, uh, that made America very exceptional.

00:50:40.540 Uh, you know, today, obviously we have gone far afield.

00:50:43.840 Uh, we have, uh, started trying to destroy the foundations of our country.

00:50:47.400 And so if that continues, we will not be exceptional for much longer, but, uh, as currently constituted, we have a marvelous constitution framed by incredibly brilliant individuals.

00:50:56.080 And that makes our nation very, very exceptional.

00:50:59.760 Manahute says, Bill Buckley Jr.

00:51:01.880 Uh, compared all of Ayn Rand's works to a miscarriage after her death.

00:51:05.720 Say what you will about her writing or her philosophy, but she did not deserve to be treated this way.

00:51:12.080 Yeah, it's true.

00:51:14.140 Um, and, uh, yeah, they recently at the national review attacked Phyllis Schlafly.

00:51:17.740 I mean, yeah, really, what, what is going on over there?

00:51:21.220 It's, it's, I mean, at this point, I'm pretty sure that you can just say the national review is well on the side of inverted hierarchies.

00:51:30.060 We'll just put it that way.

00:51:31.640 Uh, man, you'd also says Ephesians 6, 12, for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

00:51:43.580 Amen. Absolutely. Something we must remember at all times, uh, to the chicken says, how about, uh, getting out of the five eyes system?

00:51:54.540 Yeah. I mean, as far as the JBS, the JBS has always held to the same belief as the founding fathers that we, we don't want permanent alliances.

00:52:01.360 We don't want entangling relationships with other governments. Um, you know, America should stand on its own.

00:52:06.200 We should be an example and a role model to the world, but especially when you consider the current state of the UK with the takeover by the Fabians, Australia,

00:52:13.580 uh, these are nations that are rapidly leaving the fold of kind of Anglo-Saxon Christian traditional history.

00:52:20.320 And, um, you know, I don't know that we need to be sharing intelligence with or collaborating in that way with governments that castrate children and kill babies and, uh, are working to sell out their populations for a one world tyranny.

00:52:31.640 You know, Alex, it's been really amazing. Cause I spent my whole life hearing from conservatives, how deeply, deeply we care about, uh, you know, the, the founding fathers and their beliefs and these things.

00:52:42.720 And then I, you know, quote those pesky lines from George Washington's farewell address about not having these long extended foreign, you know, uh, alliances.

00:52:53.300 And all of a sudden those rock rip conservatives who care very deeply about, uh, the principles of our founders, they have all these reasons why we just should actually ignore those entirely and throw it in the trash.

00:53:05.300 And actually it turns out maybe I'm an anti-Semite and maybe I'm some kind of isolationist, or maybe I'm a fascist for some reason.

00:53:12.760 It's so strange how George Washington's words continue to be so dangerous to people who pretend to be conservatives today.

00:53:20.280 It's, it's, it's really like turning light on a vampire. It's been amazing thing to watch over and over again, but I probably don't have to tell you that.

00:53:26.760 These are probably things you're, you're very familiar with, but it has been a wonder to behold.

00:53:30.760 I never thought I'd make so many conservatives angry with George Washington, but it really is incredible.

00:53:35.680 And then of course, George Washington was just one among many who called this out.

00:53:38.840 And, you know, as free people, we can support any other country or government we want, but that doesn't mean that our government has to be involved in taking our money at gunpoint or worse, borrowing it from communist China to give to other countries.

00:53:49.620 It's foolishness. Our founders were exactly correct.

00:53:52.440 And then finally, Mr. Nixon said, chat loves having Alex Newman on come again.

00:53:58.200 Well, yes, I think this has been a fantastic conversation and I have no doubt that we will see Mr. Newman on the show once again.

00:54:05.600 Well, Alex, thank you once again for coming on. It has been fantastic. Very informative.

00:54:09.700 I hope people now have a better understanding of what the JBS is all about, the history, the interactions with different conservative luminaries like, like Mr. Buckley and perhaps how they can plug in if they would like to get involved.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - February 02, 2026

The Purging of the John Birch Society ｜ Guest： Alex Newman ｜ 2⧸2⧸26

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