The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Rise and Fall of Infowars ｜ Guest： Harrison Smith ｜ 5⧸11⧸26

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00:00:30.200 all right guys if you're like me you heard of info wars when you were young it was always

00:00:36.020 supposed to be this kind of thing that your cranky uncle was listening to but over time

00:00:41.980 as things got crazier and crazier it seemed like alex jones and the rest of his crew were making

00:00:47.540 predictions that almost seem prescient over and over again the things that everything thought

00:00:51.920 were outrageous actually ended up being true and slowly but surely InfoWars became one of the

00:00:57.980 largest platforms on the right wing now it's been shut down due to lawsuits but is it really over

00:01:04.640 what's its legacy joining me today to talk about InfoWars is a longtime host on the network Harrison

00:01:10.460 Smith thank you so much for coming on man thank you so much for having me I really appreciate it

00:01:15.020 absolutely so I guess let's start at the beginning like I said early on a lot of

00:01:21.660 people knew about InfoWars but kind of in this you know kind of abstract sense it was like a

00:01:26.860 coast to coast you know is that that show that came on late at night they talked about aliens

00:01:31.260 or cattle mutilation or something over there that they had heard stories about crazy rants or

00:01:36.840 conspiracy theories but as the internet blossomed as we started to see the rise of kind of this

00:01:43.120 democratization of content guys like Alex Jones broke through and you started to hear other voices

00:01:49.080 from InfoWars become more interesting, more mainstreamed often. And it slowly became the

00:01:55.920 fact that we were seeing a new force in kind of the news sphere, something that wasn't conventional,

00:02:02.680 that was very off the beaten path, but continued to kind of build a certain level of respectability

00:02:07.060 for itself. So can you talk a little bit about the founding of InfoWars? When did it get started?

00:02:12.340 What was involved? Did it start as this large online platform? What happened with InfoWars?

00:02:18.340 Where do we begin? Yeah, well, let me start by first and foremost, I think the most important

00:02:23.180 thing to understand is that we are still around. I mean, all of InfoWars, the whole crew, the whole

00:02:28.320 spirit, we left all the equipment there. In case anyone from The Onion is listening, they're trying

00:02:32.080 to sue us right now, claiming we're stealing equipment or something. I'm not even sure what

00:02:35.600 they're claiming now. It's been a series of nonsense. But all of the people are over now

00:02:41.360 at the Alex Jones Network, and you can find us at alexjoneslive.com. So InfoWars.com is no longer

00:02:46.900 in existence unfortunately it's alexjoneslive.com so we start we are still operating i still do the

00:02:52.100 war room every day 3 to 6 p.m alex jones still hosts his show the alex jones show from 11

00:02:57.300 to 3 every single weekday so we are still you know operating just not under the banner they've

00:03:02.900 captured our flag i guess you could say so infowars started with alex jones just going on

00:03:09.620 what's it called cable access cable access news in austin and just sort of taking advantage of

00:03:14.580 these free resources to broadcast his ideas. And he got a radio show around 1994. I think 1999 was

00:03:22.060 when Infowars itself was actually founded as a website and a resource. And yeah, he absolutely

00:03:27.200 pioneered the concept of alternative media, the concept of uncontrolled, independent media. He

00:03:33.240 had the wherewithal and the understanding to know that what he was doing was dangerous. And while

00:03:37.420 people didn't really take him that seriously before, it wasn't until 2016 when Trump won.

00:03:42.540 And it was literally one week after the election that you saw the first article ever in mainstream news that related Alex Jones to Sandy Hook.

00:03:49.880 And that whole ball got rolling.

00:03:51.800 Alex Jones obviously has survived numerous censorship attacks because of the Alex Jones store that we run on.

00:03:58.600 And we don't have any sponsors that can withdraw support.

00:04:01.120 And he really just had a very clear-eyed vision of the way things were going and how powerful and useful alternative media would be and its weaknesses.

00:04:09.620 How if you weren't, if you didn't own your platform, you could be removed.

00:04:13.060 If you were dependent on sponsors, they could withdraw sponsorship or get you to say what they wanted.

00:04:17.720 And so we set up a totally independent, self-funded, funded by the audience operation that still continues to operate.

00:04:23.960 And it's just amazing to know that this guy, just some random dude, and, you know, he could have been your next door neighbor.

00:04:28.780 Like, there was nothing special about Alex Jones in terms of his birth or, you know, he wasn't born into wealth, born into a major position.

00:04:35.700 He was just a dude.

00:04:36.420 He was a dude that read the papers that the people in power sent to each other but didn't want us to read, and he figured out their plans, and he started talking about them.

00:04:44.820 And after a decade or two, they started noticing him, and after three decades, they realized what a danger he was.

00:04:51.020 And so he's gone from talking about these figures off in the Ethereum, controlling things and manipulating things to now just actually fighting them toe-to-toe, head-to-head.

00:05:01.680 it's really an amazing story and it's unfortunate that he's so maligned and lied about in mainstream

00:05:07.520 press because really what the story is is this classic story of americana of entrepreneurship

00:05:12.080 of capitalism really at the end of the day because that's what we rely on we sell products people

00:05:16.540 want to buy it that's capitalism and because we depend on that they've been incapable of actually

00:05:22.160 stopping us or really slowing us down to a sizable degree it's always funny because obviously alex

00:05:28.540 jones is known for his bombastic style right the man is a showman he's an entertainer he knows that

00:05:34.140 he is not just reading the news he's delivering uh something that is supposed to capture people's

00:05:39.820 imagination at the same time i think a lot of people would look at that really uh bombastic

00:05:46.160 style and they would assume there's no substance behind it okay well this is just a guy who's

00:05:50.080 going out there to be sensational he's going out there doing a lot of screaming and of course

00:05:54.200 Alex Jones had misses you know we all do over time that's the nature of political punditry of

00:05:59.320 being in the game this long but over time the things that Alex Jones were saying sounded saner

00:06:05.980 and saner to people because early on the idea that oh there's these you know people trying to

00:06:10.440 make this one world government and there's this elite that's manipulating what's going on I mean 0.73

00:06:15.240 don't get me wrong these are ideas that had not originated with Alex Jones you had the Birchers

00:06:20.820 and these other societies out there

00:06:22.540 that were long pushing

00:06:24.720 against this obvious

00:06:26.760 globalist agenda.

00:06:28.960 But Jones put it in a way that was

00:06:30.680 dynamic, that was entertaining, that was engaging,

00:06:32.860 that brought people in, and it

00:06:34.720 seemed like the world caught up

00:06:36.580 with Alex. Over time,

00:06:39.260 I always say this to people,

00:06:40.680 they say, how did Alex Jones get so much

00:06:42.620 right? Is he a genius? Does he

00:06:44.600 have some kind of prophecy? Does he stare

00:06:46.640 into a crystal ball? I say, no, I think

00:06:48.480 Alex just assumed that

00:06:50.820 our elites were evil and corrupt and everything they did was to hurt us and when you start with

00:06:56.660 that world view you're actually going to be right far more often than you're going to be wrong you

00:07:01.460 might get a few things wrong but your batting average is going to be pretty high overall

00:07:06.340 yeah that's exactly right and of course you know he'll tell you himself he says i read their white

00:07:10.180 papers i mean they talk about this pretty openly and amongst themselves right but they don't expect

00:07:16.020 other people to go and read those white papers i mean they're technical they're kind of complicated

00:07:20.100 So there's this there's this way where it's not like they actually don't censor it.

00:07:25.180 They don't like stop people from reading it.

00:07:26.980 They just don't advertise it.

00:07:28.440 And I think what Alex did was just took them seriously, just said, this is what they say they're doing.

00:07:33.340 I think they're going to do it.

00:07:34.440 And then you see the evidence pile up that, yeah, they absolutely are doing it.

00:07:37.840 And the thing about Alex being bombastic, it's like, sure, if there's some guy running around the parking lot, jumping on cars and screaming, you're going to be like, that guy's crazy.

00:07:45.540 If he's being chased by a rabid dog, you know, a dog foaming at the mouth.

00:07:48.840 okay he's not crazy he's actually doing exactly what he should be doing and that's sort of how 0.92

00:07:52.560 it goes with Alex where it's like yeah if you think he's just crazy and screaming about nonsense

00:07:56.580 of course he seems crazy but when you realize like no what he's saying is like the missiles

00:08:01.020 are incoming you need to protect yourself we need to take this seriously and when you realize the

00:08:05.900 threats he's talking about are very real and very destructive of course you need to be running

00:08:10.440 around you know pulling your hair out and yelling at people because everybody's asleep to this and

00:08:14.540 one of the main powers of the mainstream media is to report on things in a way that makes everybody

00:08:20.260 accept it, right? So they might report on the same thing Alex Jones is reporting on, but where Alex

00:08:24.380 Jones is going, look, you know, here's why they're doing this. They're doing this to, you know, kill

00:08:28.400 your spirit, to shut down America, whatever it is. But here are the mainstream media and it's, well,

00:08:32.880 yes, the data centers are going in and some people are upset about it, but our elite tell us that

00:08:37.340 they're absolutely necessary. And so they just sort of deliver it in a way that normalizes it

00:08:42.080 and makes it sound like the powers that be have it in hand and no need for you to worry, 1.00

00:08:46.460 where Alex Jones is going, no, they're depending on you being weak and stupid. 1.00

00:08:49.880 You're not weak and stupid. You need to stand up for yourself. 1.00

00:08:52.360 And really the activism, the call to action, the tag of Infowars has forever been,

00:08:57.760 you are the resistance, right? If you're hearing this, you are the resistance.

00:09:00.340 You are the Paul Revere. Go out and get active. Go get involved. Go run for office.

00:09:03.820 Go hold a protest. They really don't want that.

00:09:06.580 They're fine if you just talk about what they're doing.

00:09:08.320 They really don't want you inspiring people to stand up to what they're doing

00:09:11.820 because then you can stop it and we've seen that over the last decade or so i mean the political

00:09:16.220 landscape has been completely thrown into turmoil because people just aren't taking what they're

00:09:20.380 being given anymore so it's really a powerful thing well and you know alex's delivery because

00:09:26.280 from the beginning he's not fitting into this like stuffy mold of respectability also allowed him to

00:09:32.660 simply bypass so much of what the access media media relies on right jones didn't care about

00:09:39.760 getting influential politicians on the podcast making sure as you pointed out that you know

00:09:45.640 sponsors were going to stick around and be a slave to uh you know that kind of income just the fact

00:09:52.520 that he set himself up in this way where it was just about speaking about what he wanted to speak

00:09:57.440 about rather than kowtowing to any given authority meant that he could go places other people wouldn't

00:10:03.180 go and again nobody has 100 batting average on this but the the fact that he was willing to

00:10:08.800 investigate these things to talk about these things openly meant that he was just first on

00:10:13.900 the scene for so many because as you say you know today our elites have to be a little more careful

00:10:18.460 covering their tracks though it's amazing how little they still do that but back then you know

00:10:23.840 the internet wasn't as powerful as ubiquitous as it is today the idea that you know people would

00:10:29.320 scour these documents and take them seriously just wasn't considered and so jones with this just

00:10:35.260 approach of saying, I don't care about access to the other media opportunities. I don't care

00:10:41.140 about access to politicians. I don't care about this funding from sponsors. I'm just going to be

00:10:47.080 able to explore, talk about whatever I want to. In a way, he is the progenitor of so many of the

00:10:52.500 podcasters today who felt like they had to break away from any given structure of different networks

00:10:59.900 and sponsors and all these things to ultimately do what they wanted to do jones knew this long

00:11:05.320 ago and that gave him like this first actor advantage in so many areas however this also

00:11:11.560 meant that infowars ran into a lot of censorship now before we saw the big deep platforming it was

00:11:19.660 interesting that i think infowars got a big boost as it expanded so obviously alex jones is the

00:11:25.860 figurehead he's the guy who's best known but also at this time uh you know we saw people start to

00:11:31.320 blow up who were working for or associated with info wars paul joseph watson became this huge name

00:11:36.940 especially on twitter you saw uh guys like yourself uh i think owen shore was part of your your guys

00:11:42.600 team and so they're not just alex anymore there's a constellation of guys and not all of them had

00:11:48.840 alex's style there were different deliveries there were different investigation methods

00:11:52.200 And so InfoWars went from just being this one personality-based product to being this stable of people with different approaches, different ways to frame the issue, but all are ultimately investigating these more niche understandings, these things that were often considered kind of off the beaten path, but are reliably bringing forward these stories that are just many times months ahead, years ahead of everyone else.

00:12:21.000 Info Wars tomorrow's news today.

00:12:23.040 But no, you're exactly right.

00:12:24.560 And it's one of the great attributes of Alex that he's always, you know, attracted people,

00:12:29.120 had this gravitational pull for people that were serious about this and talented in this realm.

00:12:33.760 I mean, the list of people that either got started at Info Wars or Info Wars had them on when nobody else would.

00:12:39.520 I mean, you brought up Paul Joseph Watson.

00:12:41.240 I mean, Savannah Hernandez got started here.

00:12:43.040 She's a force of nature all on her own, of course.

00:12:45.020 Owen Schroyer obviously, you know, brought a lot to the table.

00:12:47.560 Now he's often independent.

00:12:49.060 But you can go back to Jason Bermas and, you know, people from 20 years ago that are working with Infowars that are still, you know, doing what they do now.

00:12:57.160 Alex Stein used to call into my show.

00:12:59.040 Nobody, nobody knew who he was.

00:13:00.340 He had a channel on Bandai Video, the channel, the website that we created when YouTube kicked us off.

00:13:06.500 But nobody knew who Alex Stein was.

00:13:08.320 And he would call in and do prank calls where he would pretend to be mad because his illegal immigrant house workers kept dying because he was making them get vaccines.

00:13:17.380 And I mean, it was, it was hysterical, but nobody knew who he was. So again, I'm not taking credit

00:13:21.380 for these people to start, but it's just, it's, it's always been this place that's willing to

00:13:24.780 experiment, willing to let people come in. Hey, you don't have a pedigree and you don't, you know,

00:13:29.360 come with a big, you know, thick resume. Well, who cares? You're talented. You're smart. You know

00:13:33.140 what you're talking about. Come on, show us what you got. If it works, it works. You keep doing it.

00:13:36.760 If it doesn't, all right, well, you tried and it didn't work out. It's that sort of really

00:13:40.580 libertarian mindset that, I mean, I got hired as a cameraman and editor here at InfoWars and just

00:13:45.320 of started making my own stuff and nobody stopped me so you know i became a show host and that's

00:13:50.440 really how it works so there's always been this creative sort of solar system uh around alex and

00:13:57.080 it was of course you know the internet that allowed alex to you know blow up like this and

00:14:02.680 be the first and and foremost and out front the tip of the spear when it comes to this new uh

00:14:08.440 landscape that we operate in the new media landscape because in the old media landscape

00:14:12.760 they could just ignore things right if they didn't want something to go national story to go national

00:14:16.600 they just didn't cover it and okay it'd stay local and maybe people hear about it but not really

00:14:20.680 then the internet you know broke up and they they really did have to change their strategy because

00:14:24.600 people like alex jones you know bilderberg 20 30 years ago said it didn't exist said you're crazy

00:14:30.200 you don't know what you're talking about there's no big meeting with billionaires and heads of

00:14:33.320 state and kings and queens and media moguls getting together in secret and not recording

00:14:37.720 anything and not saying what they're you know talking about that's crazy they used to deny it

00:14:42.420 outright then people like Alex Jones basically hammered the door down and said no we know exactly

00:14:46.520 what you're doing here's video of all these people going in proved that existed so now

00:14:50.740 Bilderberg's got a website they you know put out a list of their uh you know talking points and what

00:14:56.280 they'll be meeting about so it went from no no nothing to see here there's you know there's

00:14:59.920 nothing happening to of course we're doing this but it's because we love you and it's a good thing

00:15:04.500 and you're crazy for thinking billionaires and kings and queens and media moguls shouldn't be

00:15:08.660 meeting in secret on a mountaintop in Switzerland. That's totally a good thing. So, I mean, we've

00:15:13.900 forced their hand and they've had to change their tactic. But it's a good reminder that while we

00:15:18.520 talk about these big overarching conspiracies with these incredibly powerful forces, they're still

00:15:23.100 human beings and they still have to contend with human will. And you can expose their operations

00:15:26.900 and they have to change their plans to deal with that new reality. So it's a good reminder. These

00:15:32.860 guys are powerful but they're not all powerful they're not omnipotent you know a lot of people

00:15:38.080 will look at Alex and despite everything he's accomplished and the the things that you and the

00:15:43.760 rest of the crew there have done they'll look at the network and say okay ultimately this is just

00:15:47.840 some conspiracy rag it's it's not you know it's not real it's not you know gonna have any real

00:15:53.460 threat to the people in power that kind of thing but when you look at Alex Jones like the proof is

00:15:58.900 just in the pudding here like this is a guy who was the canary in the coal mine when it came to

00:16:04.400 deplatforming it was insane that it wasn't just that alex jones got knocked off of one platform

00:16:11.380 it's not like oh youtube yo they cancel his monetization because he said something naughty

00:16:16.100 on a video there was a clear obvious simultaneous multi-platform multi-corporation conspiracy i

00:16:24.920 mean there's no other way to describe it this is a conspiracy on every level a honest to god

00:16:30.600 conspiracy to silence alex jones and the rest of info where wars to the point where you know you

00:16:36.640 had him taking off all of these platforms simultaneously attacks on banking all kinds

00:16:41.580 of other structures and at the time that happened it was the the excuse was the sandy hook you know

00:16:49.120 incident right is this idea that well he said something about sandy hook being fake and this

00:16:53.780 is so terrible and the parents are so offended that ultimately he just can't be allowed back on

00:17:00.860 air now feel however you want about the events surrounding sandy hook or any statements that

00:17:07.940 alex made i guess you can clarify those as well while we're here but ultimately the point is if

00:17:13.960 this guy wasn't a threat you would not have seen all of these people move simultaneously and

00:17:20.380 everyone on the right was scared to say anything they were too scared oh alex jones is he's too

00:17:26.200 radical he's too out there he's untouchable we can't come to his defense and so in a moment of

00:17:31.500 incredible cowardice basically this this test to see can we disappear someone from the right from

00:17:38.140 the internet can we completely shut off his ability to make a living to speak to operate his

00:17:43.600 show to do anything can we shut that down and expect zero pushback and the answer was yes and

00:17:49.500 so these people decided well now that we've seen we can do it to alex jones yeah you might have

00:17:53.260 thought he was the farthest right guy in the world you might have thought he was the craziest

00:17:56.260 most dangerous guy in the world which almost looks comical in retrospect but at you know at the time

00:18:01.520 that was the the line and people bought it hook line and sinker and so as long as you could sell

00:18:06.540 that idea then you can just move a little bit closer a little more moderate oh well actually

00:18:11.440 this guy's also really dangerous this guy's too dangerous and we just saw this cascade effect

00:18:15.860 across all of these platforms so i guess there's a couple things wrapped up in there but if you

00:18:20.520 want to discuss the sandy hook you know controversy feel free uh but also just you know this idea of

00:18:26.540 alex as this untouchable who was allowed to uh kind of be canceled and that creating this domino

00:18:33.020 effect that led to the mass cancellation of so many on the right especially when we were leading

00:18:37.220 up to something like covet yeah absolutely yeah when it comes to sandy hook the thing you have

00:18:41.960 to understand and i put out a video like this and you can you can do it yourself you can search it

00:18:45.780 yourself. You can go to Google News and you can search the terms Alex Jones and Sandy Hook and

00:18:49.700 you can set a time frame. From the moment the massacre happened to the election of Donald

00:18:54.680 Trump, there's not a single mainstream media article that has the words Alex Jones and Sandy

00:18:58.900 Hook in the title or even in the body anywhere in the Paris. It wasn't his thing. It was never his

00:19:04.220 thing. So, oh man, sorry, there's so many different angles to go on this. But the thing to understand

00:19:09.560 is that this was a purely political attack and they say it was a political attack and they brought

00:19:14.040 people up to testify during the trial about how politically effective Alex is and was and how that

00:19:21.220 was the reason they need to take him off the air. I mean, they had a disinformation expert come up

00:19:25.080 and, you know, read these 10,000 studies about Alex Jones and say, you know, on the run up to

00:19:30.940 2016, he was more influential than Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck combined by a factor of two. You

00:19:36.880 know, it's like his influence in 2016 is the reason he was targeted. They'll come up with

00:19:41.700 excuses they come up with ever whatever excuses they want sandy hook is very convenient because

00:19:45.700 you know the way it's presented is so sort of unto well i'm not going to defend that so of course

00:19:49.600 they're going to make people back off but i don't even know if that was the reason they gave for

00:19:53.580 kicking alex off uh in 2018 when we got kicked off of all the platforms they all kind of gave

00:19:58.120 different reasons remember twitter at the time kicked him off because he was he made fun of

00:20:02.740 oliver darcy who was like the cnn you know censorship guy and he said he looked like a

00:20:07.080 possum that was coming out of the rear end of a dead cow and they kicked him off for bullying

00:20:10.460 Right. So they always came up with a different excuse or usually come up with a different excuse for why they're kicking Alex off.

00:20:16.040 The real reason at the end of the day is because he was politically effective, is politically effective because he has such a large audience and is able to, you know, wield such influence in the political sphere.

00:20:26.060 And because he tells people to get active and get involved and to not, you know, sit on the sideline and be a spectator.

00:20:31.460 This is not a spectator sport. This is your life and you have to fight for it.

00:20:34.480 But the other thing to understand about Sandy Hook and kicking him off the Internet in 2018 was that once you kick him off the Internet, you can say whatever you want about him, and he has no ability to fight back.

00:20:44.400 So they kick him off first, and then they can run with all the smears, and nobody has an ability to find him.

00:20:49.820 Now, again, luckily, we didn't go down in 2018 because of the audience supporting us at the Infowars store at the time.

00:20:55.380 Now it's the AlexJonesStore.com.

00:20:57.180 they kept us afloat because you can just imagine you they must have been popping the champagne and

00:21:02.200 you know cheersing each other going he's off every platform it's a matter of time now how long do you

00:21:06.880 think it'll last a month two months at the most no we're still here do what is almost 10 years

00:21:11.800 later right so we're we've survived because we knew that attack was coming they kicked him off

00:21:16.200 at least in part so they could disparage and discredit him and not give him an ability to

00:21:20.960 respond. And at the same time, they banned every other person's videos or content about Sandy Hook

00:21:27.720 because the thing to understand about the Sandy Hook conspiracy was it was probably the biggest

00:21:32.260 conspiracy in the world for a while. I mean, it was 9-11 JFK, the Sandy Hook shooting, and it wasn't

00:21:38.600 Alex Jones that led that charge. Alex Jones was way down the list of people who were influential

00:21:43.320 in popularizing that conspiracy theory. There are documentaries where you'll have two dozen

00:21:48.500 contributors journalists and all sorts of people making this document they never mention alex jones

00:21:52.820 he never comes up he's not a contributor he was not the person who started or was the main driving

00:21:58.020 force behind the sandy hook conspiracy that was a bunch of other people and it used to be that if

00:22:02.500 you went on youtube and searched sandy hook or sandy hook conspiracy or whatever page upon page

00:22:06.820 upon page upon page of people talking about it i mean people made their whole careers off of it

00:22:11.380 they delete all of that and then they go actually it was all alex jones he's the one that came up

00:22:14.980 up that he's the one that popularized and started this idea it's it's a total red herring it's a

00:22:20.260 total false flag really in a way it's a legal false flag and then you get into the actual you

00:22:25.680 know trial itself and it is beyond absurd the way that uh it was manipulated and in my opinion my

00:22:31.580 personal and non-professional opinion completely rigged against simple wars and alex jones and it's

00:22:36.320 a playbook that they're now using against people like mike lindell uh he was you know targeted with

00:22:41.420 a lawsuit gave him a default judgment and a default judgment means you lose without getting

00:22:46.100 a without being able to defend yourself and while it's usually wielded against like usually it's

00:22:51.800 against like deadbeat dads who just like do not respond to the court summons so the court goes

00:22:55.780 all right he won't even respond to us we don't even know where he is or what state he's in so

00:22:59.280 you know we're going to decide on the in the plaintiff's favor and the you know you have the

00:23:02.780 plaintiff's favor uh for it to happen on a first amendment issue with a major you know the

00:23:08.820 consequences of this trial being so massive, totally unprecedented, totally, in my opinion,

00:23:14.980 illegitimate. And I think people should look into what actually happened during the trial because

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00:23:50.580 Yeah, again, you can feel however you want

00:23:53.200 about Alex Jones

00:23:54.200 or what he said about this topic,

00:23:56.520 but you should recognize

00:23:58.660 just the insane, obvious,

00:24:01.460 like coordinated railroading here.

00:24:03.040 What was the judgment?

00:24:04.560 Like infinite billion dollars?

00:24:05.840 like you know nine trillion dollars in monopoly money like it was like it's comical like you like

00:24:13.840 i think alex jones could rob a bank every you know two days for the next you know 15 years and not

00:24:20.560 hope to pay off uh you know whatever the insane amount of that judgment was and so obviously

00:24:26.040 that's what has put you in this current situation where you guys have had to kind of migrate uh you

00:24:31.660 know the the network though i i think it says a lot about jones and his his uh you know persistence

00:24:38.980 the persistence of the staff and everyone else involved there you know there's a lot of people

00:24:43.320 who get canceled off of these platforms and that's just it for them you know they give up they they

00:24:48.380 they walk away uh you or you know there's guys like stephen molyneux who you know continues to

00:24:53.840 plug away in obscurity after you know that that deep platform he's still out there doing his work

00:24:58.600 but just can't get anything to his audience that kind of thing it's incredible that through all of

00:25:03.520 this jones and info wars has just been able to continue to come back always been able to reach

00:25:09.080 its audience always find a way to reconstitute itself and that's really heartening you know for

00:25:15.480 as someone who now makes their living talking about things on the internet knowing that you

00:25:19.920 know if you work hard enough if you're willing to build that audience to build those parallel

00:25:24.740 systems to put the work in to recognize that you're never safe but you always need to have

00:25:29.520 these multiple ways to get out reach people stay in contact that you can survive this that that

00:25:35.640 despite all of it and you know we watched the covid regime all of the censorship there's no

00:25:40.560 longer any question about the like wild insane coordination that elites go through in order to

00:25:46.680 cancel people who are telling the truth so again it's just incredible to watch alex be the first

00:25:52.420 got into that and yet still survive that in a way that so many bigger people you know didn't and

00:25:58.340 also provide this model that allows people to know that they can make it through too if they kind of

00:26:03.580 have the wherewithal and they have the foresight yeah and again you know all credit goes to first

00:26:09.000 of all alex jones for you know being able to foresee this and putting plans and preparation

00:26:13.160 in place so that we could survive this stuff but you know first and foremost it really is the

00:26:17.460 audience and they're supporting us and just like keeping up and you know sharing the information

00:26:22.220 all that stuff. And, you know, it's another key aspect of Alex Jones's success. He always said

00:26:25.940 this stuff's free to air, shared. It's about the information. It was, you know, we didn't hide

00:26:29.440 things behind a paywall. We didn't, you know, do anything like that. It's how do we get the most

00:26:34.080 amount of information to the most amount of people? What do we need to fund that? And that's

00:26:37.840 where all the funding goes. So, of course, I'd encourage and ask people to support us at

00:26:41.540 thealexjonesstore.com because it's still hard. You know, there's a sort of mix between half the

00:26:45.620 people are going, ah, this is all fake. They keep saying they're being shut down, but they never go

00:26:49.740 down it's like well yeah because we're fighting because they attack and we fight back and we win

00:26:53.860 and so we survive until the next time they attack it's you know this is just how it works we're not

00:26:58.240 playing it up you know god forbid i want to just focus on the news i don't want to talk about what's

00:27:02.760 going on with info wars all the time it just is actually you know important for people to

00:27:06.940 understand because this is an attack on the first amendment in a very real way so the you know the

00:27:11.600 audience being there to uh give us the the breathing room and the and the ability to set up

00:27:16.760 you know, where we are now, which is this sort of smaller, it's, I call it our cocoon, right?

00:27:20.880 Because we were, we were a grub. Now we're in this cocoon. We're in this carapace. We're in

00:27:24.860 this small sort of offsite studio. And soon we will emerge as a dangerous and poisonous moth

00:27:29.920 to wreck our revenge. But, you know, we, we have to sort of, you know, duck and dodge and dive and

00:27:35.540 try to, you know, pursue our ends regardless of all the attacks. So you got half the people going,

00:27:39.680 ah, this is all fake. It's not fake. It's real. And you see now it's all shut down.

00:27:43.180 And the other half, I think, just goes, eh, they'll always survive.

00:27:46.680 You know, they're, you know, yeah, they're under attack, but they'll make it through.

00:27:49.700 It's like, well, we really make it through by the skin of our teeth and just like, you know, by brutalizing ourselves and working, you know, until the wee hours of the morning every night just to get this stuff done.

00:27:58.880 Of course, I'm not talking about me.

00:28:00.060 I'm talking about the crew here that slaves away constantly and never gets enough credit for it.

00:28:04.700 So it really has been an all-hands-on-deck operation.

00:28:07.340 and it's only because the audience sees that and supports us through this and knows that what we're

00:28:11.620 doing is really in a powerful way fighting back and showing them that it doesn't work you can't

00:28:16.440 do it this way right they tried to they thought they'd take us out in 2018 just cancel us off and

00:28:20.940 we proved to them because of your support out there because of our audience support we proved

00:28:25.100 to them you can't just destroy an idea this way you can't just destroy an organization this way

00:28:29.280 and so the bad guys have decided all right we'll try this different way to destroy you and we're

00:28:33.700 showing them once again that doesn't work either the first amendment is stronger than their

00:28:37.420 manipulation and again during the trial and all around the trial and all this the lawyers who were

00:28:42.220 you know arguing were saying take alex jones's microphone away they weren't you know couching

00:28:48.080 it in the argument of fiscal loss which is the way the law is written right well he gained this money

00:28:52.980 by doing this dishonest thing so therefore he owes this no no they said make the punishment so

00:28:57.820 painful he goes away forever and can never be on air again i mean that was the purpose of their

00:29:03.160 attack against us it had nothing to do with money money was the tool to get to the censorship that

00:29:08.000 they couldn't get legally or through big tech or through the government or anything else like that

00:29:12.480 so these people are gnawing away at the fundamental you know foundational beliefs of our country and

00:29:17.660 we're not going to let them get away with it and we're going to keep surviving as long as we have

00:29:21.260 your support so again alexjonesalive.com is the new website alexjonesalive.com infowars lives on

00:29:27.220 in a different form we are not infowars anymore we're the alex jones network but alexjonesalive.com

00:29:31.680 is where you can go you know find and support us because we're not going away we will not go

00:29:35.380 quietly into that you know dark night and uh there's a phrase the ancient romans used to use

00:29:41.240 which was the vanquished uh are never defeated if they not if they do not believe themselves so

00:29:46.740 so we refuse to acknowledge that we've been defeated so we never will be we refuse to

00:29:50.760 surrender so we'll never lose it's just as simple as that well and there's this really interesting

00:29:55.740 you know almost Streisand effect with the cancellation of Alex Jones because over the

00:30:01.300 years he had slowly but surely built up these you know relationships in the conservative or

00:30:08.060 right-wing media sphere and even when he was gone he was friends with people like uh you know Joe

00:30:13.520 Rogan he would show up on you know Steven Crowder's show and so there was this like slow kind of

00:30:19.980 adoption of well now that he's this forbidden fruit we kind of we need to have him on we need

00:30:24.980 talk about it and there's almost a you know the effect that many people are noticing now with

00:30:29.580 Nick Fuentes we're like no matter how hard you try to cancel this person and these are I have

00:30:34.540 very different opinions on both of both of these people but the effect is the same either way

00:30:38.140 you know no matter how you try to cancel these people know how to try to silence them you're

00:30:41.920 building a mystique you're building like interest and so when Jones returned finally after this

00:30:48.000 hiatus and was welcomed back to places like Twitter there's almost this triumphal return

00:30:53.000 is almost like an elder statesman stepping back on people versus oh alex is back and we can and

00:30:58.500 it was almost as if he had suddenly become this like well respected and you know again that was

00:31:03.520 like happening behind the scenes all the time but it was like he he disappeared as a dangerous

00:31:07.220 conspiracy theorist and returned emerge as like this leader this guy who is now respected and

00:31:13.460 leading a serious news organization you guys started getting you know very serious guests

00:31:18.200 that kind of thing like the stature of people who are willing to go on and discuss things in

00:31:22.720 program just kept rising and rising and in a way the cancellation of alex jones normalized alex

00:31:28.880 jones as like a prominent figure inside the conservative media space yeah it's kind of

00:31:34.960 interesting how that how that happens of course it would have been nice if he had been held up like

00:31:39.440 that back then i remember i went with alex one time uh where we stormed into the senate chamber

00:31:44.480 because they were holding a conference or you know a hearing of some sort on censorship and it was

00:31:49.680 like you know ben shapiro and a couple of these people who'd never been canceled off anything

00:31:54.080 they keep talking about alex jones but he's not a lot he's not invited in it's like what

00:31:58.000 you know where's the respect that you know this guy here's the target of the censorship and you

00:32:02.400 won't even advocate for him or let him tell you you know how it's going on so it would have been

00:32:06.800 nice to like you know treat him with the respect he deserved back then but i'm not complaining

00:32:11.200 it's nice that people have come around it's nice people recognize that he was right the whole time

00:32:15.360 And you talk about Joe Rogan and even people like Tucker Carlson, I mean, you can attribute their awakening directly to Alex Jones.

00:32:23.320 I mean, there's video of Alex Jones and Joe Rogan in the 1990s going around the Texas state capitol with George W. Bush or George H.W. Bush masks, I guess, at the time.

00:32:33.480 You know, so, I mean, it's like you think about the biggest people in media today, Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, would have to be up there in the top, you know, five, if not, or the top ten, if not the top five.

00:32:43.860 And yet they both have a position that is directly attributable to their, you know, the Alex Jones influence.

00:32:50.460 And Tucker Carlson will tell you the same thing.

00:32:51.760 It was Alex Jones who really woke him up to asking questions about things like 9-11.

00:32:55.960 And now I think if you go ask people about what happened on 9-11, I think a majority of people would say we don't have the full story.

00:33:02.080 I don't know when that changed, right?

00:33:03.720 Over the last 20 years, that majority shifted, but it wasn't one moment.

00:33:08.000 It wasn't one documentary or one revelation that caused that.

00:33:10.900 it's this slow burn effect that that is really um extremely powerful so uh yeah when he came back

00:33:18.100 you know it was great to see everybody you know welcoming back and god bless elon musk for

00:33:22.380 taking back x i mean i really think we take that for granted it was really really bad back in the

00:33:28.080 day i mean i remember for years every time i'd open x i was like let's see you know i might not

00:33:32.680 have an account anymore and often i didn't i mean the fact that elon brought that back has been

00:33:36.780 absolutely incredible the fact he brought alex jones back has been game changing so you know we

00:33:41.180 we gotta i see people get mad at elon sometimes i got my own suspicions but opening up x has been

00:33:46.340 absolutely fantastic and we really owe him a eternal debt of gratitude for that now harrison

00:33:52.260 i've i've noticed something and i imagine you've noticed it too uh all of a sudden uh we've had

00:33:58.220 this discussion about the danger of podcasts podcasts are actually the most dangerous thing

00:34:04.660 in the world. We have to control them. We have to silence them. And most of that discussion is now

00:34:10.520 coming from the right. We had, or at least conservative establishment, right? We had

00:34:15.820 this push from the left that we needed to control the internet. We need to shut it down. We have to

00:34:20.460 shut down these conversations. We need to make sure that only our thoughts are available in the

00:34:25.200 mainstream media. And when Trump went on this last tour to try to secure his second term,

00:34:33.380 he jd vance so many others were only able to do that because of the podcasters in fact

00:34:39.000 endless amounts of digital ink were spilled you know crying sobbing videos were made by left-wing

00:34:44.980 influencers there were literally literally 20 million dollars was given to some like incredibly 0.99

00:34:51.240 obese woman to figure out why bros want to listen to podcasts and won't just listen to whatever 1.00

00:34:57.400 feminists tell them online anymore and so the scramble after the election of donald trump this 1.00

00:35:02.860 this landslide this this mandate this sea change in american electoral politics was directly 0.58

00:35:09.400 attributed by most of the left and the mainstream media to appearances on podcasts because they were

00:35:15.660 disintermediated there's no longer this gatekeeping that you could talk to theo vaughn you could talk

00:35:19.980 to joe rogan you could talk to all these people and speak to millions of guys who never would

00:35:24.980 have voted never would have gotten politically engaged and all of a sudden your message is

00:35:28.680 bypassing the mainstream media even the fake you know fox news types type you know right-wing

00:35:33.960 control stuff and going directly to the people and that was seen as just this absolute dangerous

00:35:40.080 travesty for the left but now we're hearing that actually from the right we have to shut this down

00:35:46.560 that there are too many questions are being asked too many conspiracy theories are out there

00:35:50.540 now harris i'm somebody who thinks there has been abuse in this area i think there are irresponsible

00:35:56.180 actors i think there are people who act in bad faith but i think this is a consequence of

00:36:02.360 controlled opposition this is a consequence of controlled media yeah i get that not everybody

00:36:08.240 who picks up a microphone and starts a podcast is going to be the most well-sourced most professional

00:36:13.200 most honest person out there but guess what all the people who were supposed to be they lied they

00:36:18.740 manipulated they destroyed the economy they locked us in our houses they destroyed our ability to go

00:36:23.560 to church to to go to the funerals of our loved ones like after a complete shattering of the

00:36:29.420 epistemological framework that wants to find the american landscape people are going to look for

00:36:34.840 truth and they're going to look in places that they wouldn't have expected that's why i think

00:36:39.180 info wars has exploded in its relevance but i think it's also why all these other podcasts have

00:36:44.400 suddenly become so important and so i get the concern that like people might be irresponsible

00:36:49.020 or acting poorly at the end the only people to blame are the establishment media right like these

00:36:54.100 are the people that ultimately set us on this path what what are your thoughts about the the

00:36:58.140 podcast and their danger to our sacred democracy yeah it's it's ridiculous now you related it to

00:37:04.540 the trust the science which is exactly the right thing no the reason people don't trust science

00:37:08.360 because all the scientists lied to us for so long in such an obvious way it's the exact same thing

00:37:13.360 happening with media and of course the irony is that just like the left did right in 2024 when

00:37:20.880 Trump was going on the podcast circuit and so was J.D. Vance the left was saying this is dangerous

00:37:26.460 this isn't good we shouldn't allow this while also desperately seeking out their own Joe Rogan

00:37:31.240 desperately trying to mimic the success that Trump was having and totally failing to do so

00:37:35.640 call me daddy would you know springs to mind but it's because they because the thing people love

00:37:40.420 podcasts is that they're real they're they're actual people actually expressing themselves

00:37:45.760 and so it's almost like the Democrats looked at that and went you know their sincerity and their

00:37:50.740 their realness is what is attracting people how do we fake that how do we fake the realness you

00:37:56.080 know appropriately it's like no you don't understand you're missing the core component

00:37:59.160 like it doesn't work that way and the right wing is doing it now so while they're simultaneously

00:38:03.220 going these podcasts this is crazy this is too dangerous Fox News is like totally reshuffling

00:38:08.740 its whole uh like online presence to be more podcast centric they're hiring on a bunch of

00:38:13.560 people to basically mimic and try to do what we've been doing the whole time uh they're all doing it

00:38:18.820 really cnn is like yeah we're i think it was jake tapper was like we're gonna start doing the first

00:38:22.760 hour of our show out of my office back here so it's more informal and it's like yeah they're

00:38:26.600 trying to ape they're trying to mimic they're trying to wear the skin suit of the real independent

00:38:31.100 out there podcasters and it's just not going to work but it it shows that that's what they're

00:38:35.420 really scared of is not the podcast form in its nature because they want to mimic it it's what we

00:38:41.680 talk about and the fact that we're not controlled and we're not overseen by institutions and we don't

00:38:45.460 have corporations pulling us this way or that it is sort of a brave new world because it is more of

00:38:51.400 a personality type of game that's being played now where you kind of got to know the person you

00:38:56.340 got to know where they're coming from what their biases are so then you can actually parse the

00:39:00.160 information for yourself knowing the relevant context of how it's being presented to you which

00:39:04.360 just how we probably should have always been interpreting the media anyway, because it's not

00:39:07.740 like these big institutions are absent that that bias or that personal input. It's just more masks

00:39:13.420 and more sort of hidden under layers of, you know, bureaucratic doublespeak. So, yeah, it's it just

00:39:20.420 couldn't be more obvious. They don't like podcasts because podcasts are dangerous because they aren't

00:39:24.400 controlled because they're telling the truth. And of course, I think it goes directly back to Israel 0.99

00:39:28.160 and the eighth front that they consider, you know, the American media landscape and the fact that,

00:39:32.960 you know, why did TikTok get sold? Why did CBS News get sold? You know, the pressure on X has

00:39:38.040 been enormous. And a lot of that has been to maintain support for Israel when Americans are 0.56

00:39:43.700 sort of slipping out of their grasp, so to speak. So I think it goes a lot to that. And at the end

00:39:49.160 of the day, we have a First Amendment and we have to exercise it. We have to use it and we have to

00:39:53.220 fight for it. And we can't let these people use whatever excuse it is. Is it hate, you know,

00:39:57.680 quote unquote, hate speech? I mean, now you've got Trump using the term hate speech. Something

00:40:00.860 has gone horribly wrong right we've we were completely missing the mark when you have you

00:40:05.140 know formerly pam bondi the the you know head of the doj saying hate speech and trump is talking

00:40:10.280 about hate speech there's no such thing as hate speech that literally doesn't exist so i'm very

00:40:15.540 concerned that the right wing is now falling into this and i think i think personally it mostly has

00:40:19.460 to do uh with the lack of support for israel and the scrambling to try to um shore that up and fix

00:40:26.800 that issue. Yeah, you know, I obviously money is a huge influence on politics. People are bought

00:40:34.700 and sold. There's nothing there's nothing new about that. And so I totally understand the

00:40:40.180 accusations of both sides saying, hey, well, this guy's own this controlled opposition.

00:40:45.680 They're getting paid. But in the meantime, well, of course, there's some level of truth to that.

00:40:51.540 What it's done is allowed everybody to more or less stop talking about the issues, 0.62

00:40:55.400 to stop actually addressing what the truth is so yeah maybe this guy's bought and owned by israel

00:41:01.020 but that other guy is owned by qatar and so everyone's just owned and we don't actually need

00:41:04.780 to discuss anything more you're you're a russian agent you're a chinese agent you're an agent of

00:41:09.640 israel you're an agent of whatever and so like there's just this constant accusation but never

00:41:14.420 any real need to address this and this gets more more absurd because i'm sure you're feeling this

00:41:20.260 since you brought it up obviously Israel is the is the big issue right now that that has

00:41:26.500 really rocked all of politics but specifically the right at the moment and I don't want to talk 1.00

00:41:32.960 about this man I don't care like I don't I don't care about some stupid country in the Middle East 0.86

00:41:37.620 man it matters to me as much as Madagascar but like when the Secretary of State walks out and 0.99

00:41:42.700 says yeah we went to war because Israel wanted to go what what's left to say right like what what

00:41:49.520 what is even left to say like that when it's being announced yeah we're doing this because

00:41:54.280 Israel wanted us to do it we weren't going to do it but then Israel said we're going to go do this

00:41:59.420 and if you don't they're going to shoot you anyway so you better do it like when that happens what

00:42:04.380 am I supposed to do as an American who loves their country cares about sovereignty was promised no new

00:42:10.360 foreign wars right like how else do I explain how we got here Donald Trump convinced me to to be

00:42:18.160 against foreign wars i was a neo guy and donald truck walked onto stage and made a case that was

00:42:23.620 so powerful that i was like oh i am healed of my neo conservatism like it's over i don't have to

00:42:29.320 live like this anymore and now i have people look me in the face and be like this is always what

00:42:34.680 trump was saying this is exactly what we were talking about the whole time of course we went

00:42:38.440 we were going to go to war in the middle east on behalf of a foreign country again i don't want to

00:42:42.540 talk about this harrison but i don't know what else to do at this point you can't tell me people

00:42:46.620 are obsessed with israel when we're literally fighting a war and the guy who leads the state

00:42:51.420 department says this is why we're fighting the war this country they told us to like what else

00:42:57.280 do i do no that's exactly right and of course you know when i'm talking about the censorship and

00:43:02.580 stuff it's it's mark levin out there he's the champion of the right you know out there uh 0.99

00:43:07.040 donald trump says he is maga and he's out there going you stupid little podcast you think it's 0.99

00:43:11.860 going to change the world not if we have anything to say about it we're going to say of course i'm 1.00

00:43:15.720 okay with deep platform and it's like what the hell i mean it's just completely completely 100

00:43:21.580 percent diametrically opposed to what mag is supposed to represent what america first is

00:43:26.520 supposed to represent and yeah then the absurdity of of the secretary of state and the the president

00:43:31.160 himself and israel themselves all saying it but then you're not supposed to believe it it's absurd

00:43:35.880 i mean i mean this is nonsense and then yesterday we have bb netanyahu sort of saying the same thing

00:43:39.880 on you know i think you've had a little bit too much to think right you know maybe slow down on

00:43:44.700 that it's this social media landscape is really making people not like Israel we've got to do

00:43:49.280 something about that and as an American the only answer to that is just to like you know go well

00:43:54.620 really sir you think that's so you know free speech works in this country I mean it's been

00:43:59.020 inverted now where people are saying we need to you know restrict anti-semitic speech because

00:44:04.320 it's a violation of Jewish people's right to the first amendment to you know write a freedom of

00:44:09.840 expression of their religion. I think that's a complete inversion. We have a right to worship as 1.00

00:44:15.100 we want freely. It's a beautiful thing. Incumbent in that right is the right to criticize or mock

00:44:20.980 or disparage any other religion. These aren't like, you can't have one without the other. So

00:44:25.720 I love that people in this country can worship freely how they want without having to get

00:44:29.800 approval from the government. And I also love that you can criticize those churches. You can

00:44:34.020 criticize those religions or the people practicing them or the practices themselves. That's the first

00:44:38.580 amendment and anybody for whatever reason coming to this country and telling us we need to change

00:44:43.860 how we think about free speech is your enemy is my enemy is all of our enemies so it's very simple

00:44:49.100 and has nothing to do with who they are unless that is the reason they're giving for why they're

00:44:53.560 pursuing censorship which in the case of mark levin and others it's like they're like we have

00:44:57.300 you know first to support israel we need censorship and it's like that's not gonna work and you're not

00:45:01.580 gonna browbeat me by calling me a name like racist or anti-semitic we just we're over that

00:45:05.860 we've been over it for 10 years i'm not even sure why they thought it would work

00:45:08.440 it's kind of weird i'm sorry but it just enrages me because i for decades decades harrison i watched 0.95

00:45:16.960 the federal government corporations educational institutions tell me that white people are evil 0.99

00:45:23.440 that christians are the worst people in the world that whiteness is a disease that needs to be 1.00

00:45:28.300 eliminated that christianism that or that christianity is some kind of evil patriarchal 1.00

00:45:33.080 religion that must be driven from our land it was taught in university classes it was taught

00:45:38.100 in high schools and middle schools they made movies about it they made music about it they 0.92

00:45:42.740 did everything they could for decades and decades and decades they actively rejected white american

00:45:48.220 christians going to college they refused to let them in they refused to hire them specifically

00:45:53.820 based on their race and their religion and then when we finally get around to like oh we need to

00:46:00.820 protect somebody the answer is we have to protect people who support the state of israel again feel

00:46:06.820 free to support the state of israel that's fine feel free to worship how you like but if we're

00:46:11.820 gonna use the power of the state to stop like the persecution of any given people how could it not be

00:46:18.720 the people who are like native to this country the people who founded this country the founding

00:46:23.460 stock of this country the heritage americans how is it that we are going to sit there and give a

00:46:28.720 free pass to literally teaching actual blood libel about white american christians for decade after

00:46:35.420 decade or after decade and then someone's protesting you know the you know current israeli

00:46:42.120 uh you know actions in gaza and all of a sudden we can magically like completely crush the

00:46:48.820 institutions that are doing it you know the harvard professors you know barry weiss magically

00:46:54.500 gets control of a major network to ensure that you know there's a particular censorship regime

00:46:59.420 going on there over exactly one issue like it's just insane to watch this mobilization and i'm

00:47:04.760 sorry i just can't close my eyes to this stuff it's it's absolutely ludicrous to ask me to do so

00:47:11.760 so when i see these priorities switched up i think like the average person my question becomes 0.95

00:47:15.580 why and anyone who i ask this question to you just sells like shut up bigot shut up anti-semit

00:47:21.280 like nothing nothing for an actual answer they will never answer this question i have asked

00:47:26.660 plenty of people people who have even worked on anti-white issues why can't we address this before

00:47:31.600 we address anti-semitism they will not answer the question they just refuse now yeah well it's it's

00:47:36.960 deck it's literally decade upon decade of concentrated propaganda that we've been fed

00:47:41.920 from the moment we went to you know elementary school for the first time up through graduation

00:47:46.400 you had to you know comport yourself with these ideas if you even wanted to be successful at all

00:47:50.300 so i mean this stuff has been hammered into us but you're exactly right the universities are the best 0.88

00:47:54.140 example right they literally are teaching classes for decades how to destroy whiteness whiteness

00:47:59.520 is evil you you appeal to the government you go why are they allowed to do this and they go hey

00:48:03.680 academic freedom what can we do we don't want the government going in and dictating to colleges and

00:48:08.160 of course it's like a libertarian as a freedom loving person you go gee i really don't want the

00:48:12.020 government telling colleges what they can do is this is kind of tough and then it's well there's

00:48:16.340 you know some students protesting in favor of palestine it's like right well seize their

00:48:20.080 endowments you know crush them make them and it's like okay you always had the ability to do

00:48:24.820 something you just didn't want to which is sort of the universal you know situation in america

00:48:30.000 which is why it's so frustrating and so infuriating it's like none of these problems are real the crime

00:48:35.460 problem is not a real problem that it's not like a hurricane where it's just like bunker down man

00:48:40.320 there's nothing you can do but try to survive this it's like no the policies are leading directly to 1.00

00:48:45.020 these consequences and we could change the policies at any moment we just don't want to immigration

00:48:49.400 crime i mean the war in iran all of these are problems that we just decided to inflict on

00:48:54.380 ourselves one day and we could choose to end them at any moment. Look at Naya Bukele and the way 0.98

00:48:59.380 he's cleared up a much, much, much worse situation in El Salvador with simple law and order. I mean,

00:49:04.620 that's the absurdity is that in order to get America back on track, I think we need to do

00:49:08.640 two things. I think we need to mass deportations and we need, which really goes into the second

00:49:13.760 thing. So really it's just one thing. It's ruthless enforcement of the law, already existing 0.57

00:49:18.280 laws. We don't need new laws. We don't need to imagine a new form of government. What if socialism

00:49:22.840 work to this time like no all of the problems that we have could be solved with a ruthless

00:49:27.360 application of the already existent law we're just not doing it it's it's infuriating it's it's

00:49:32.820 yeah mind-blowing and frustrating and we shouldn't stand for it no you're exactly right none of these

00:49:37.740 things are like it's not like we need some new political technology to figure this out we know

00:49:41.760 how to fix crime we know how to fix education we know how to fix foreign policy we know how to do

00:49:46.900 all of this stuff and like you said it's very clear and evident that we had the power to do this

00:49:51.320 Because the minute that the people who actually have influence in the United States get attacked, oh, look, magically, we have the ability to deal with all of these things that we said were impossible to deal with 10 minutes ago.

00:50:03.920 And so it just becomes the point where people become really fed up.

00:50:09.160 Now, I know you're hard out, and we've got a few questions from the audience, so I want to get to this real quick before you have to go.

00:50:16.200 But what do you think is going to happen with the right at this point? 0.71

00:50:21.420 I want to believe, personally, there's still time to wind down the war in Iran. 0.62

00:50:25.880 There's still time to continue the ramping up of deportations.

00:50:29.560 Look, I have a lot of problems with foreign policy right now with Donald Trump.

00:50:34.940 But it's undeniable that the borders are closed and mass deportations are happening that wouldn't be happening otherwise. 1.00

00:50:40.900 That J6 protesters were pardoned. 0.99

00:50:43.820 That USAID was shut down. 1.00

00:50:45.800 like there are real tangible improvements to my life and the life of the people I care about

00:50:52.680 because Donald Trump is in office. At the same time, I get the backlash that he and his

00:50:57.400 administration are facing right now as gas heads to $5 a gallon in my area. So what are we to do

00:51:04.660 here? People are telling me I need to ally with the Democrats. I need to start voting for the

00:51:09.420 left because that'll show the Republicans what's going on. I hear other people saying I just need

00:51:14.760 to shut up and follow trump no matter what no matter what happens it's it's never never question

00:51:19.940 everything just trust the plan don't be a panic and i feel like it's reasonable to have a middle

00:51:24.480 ground harrison i feel like it's reasonable to say i think trump has done good things i want to see

00:51:30.200 more good things but this big problem with israel and the and the war has sidetracked that and so

00:51:36.660 i'm not getting as many of the good things as we really need to and so i want to continue to

00:51:41.520 encourage that while also pointing out that this is a huge problem and it has to change. But for

00:51:46.420 some reason, everyone tells me that's the one position I'm not allowed to have. What do you

00:51:50.660 think? Can the right survive this? Should we all abandon Trump? Is it time to just vote for Kamala

00:51:54.540 Harris in 2028? What should we be doing here? Well, look, the weird thing is Trump is never

00:51:59.500 going to be a candidate again, ever, right? So it's very weird to me to have a thing like CPAC

00:52:05.800 happen last month. And there's gigantic pictures of Trump's head everywhere. It's like he's never

00:52:10.060 going to be a candidate again? Where is that next wave of fresh blood to actually support the MAGA

00:52:15.020 agenda? And everything is all confusing and topsy-turvy. Now, I have people in my ex being

00:52:19.360 like, hey, idiot Trump just won on tariffs or whatever it is, even though he didn't win on 1.00

00:52:24.300 tariffs. It's always confusing. But it's like, hey, idiot MAGA is succeeding. And I'm like, 1.00

00:52:29.540 I like that. What are you talking? Why are you acting like you're winning when you're saying

00:52:33.240 Trump? I want Trump to win. I want him to win for America. I want him to do the things he promised

00:52:37.340 to do so it's this weird thing where people are like acting like we're enemies but we're not

00:52:42.180 enemies i don't know man it is so chaotic and i think an underlying um problem here is we need

00:52:48.040 to identify and sort of solidify what are our principles on the right what do we actually

00:52:52.860 believe because right now there's this weird kind of dichotomy that's been set up that says

00:52:56.980 if you support israel you're a republican and if you don't you're not and that's it that's all that

00:53:01.860 matters like thomas massey is like the you know the republican party manifest right he is like

00:53:07.620 the libertarian king and yet people are like he's basically a democrat because he doesn't support

00:53:13.740 israel and it's like is that it is that the meanwhile you've got people like shabos kasten

00:53:17.120 bomber um who's the uh dershowitz alan dershowitz just wrote a big thing going i'm a republican now

00:53:22.320 even though i'm still for welfare and i'm still for transgenderism i'm still for everything i

00:53:26.320 believe as a democrat but israel israel makes me a republican it's like is that it is that

00:53:30.680 the party it's amazing how powerful the friend enemy distinction is right like like i've been

00:53:36.340 i've been decried so often for like recognizing this like i'm an evil person for noticing that

00:53:42.200 carl schmidt is right about this but the reason is not because carl schmidt was like you know a

00:53:47.000 nazi or whatever which he was and it's bad but like the reason is it's too useful of a tool

00:53:51.860 right what what is alan dersh's real politics what what makes him choose one side or the other

00:53:58.760 Israel. That's it. It's it. Every you could believe in everything else. He could believe in welfare. He can believe in opening up the prisons. He can believe in mutilating children and abortion. None of that matters. He believes he's pro-Israel, therefore Republican. That's it. That's the entirety of the political coalition. They're trying to redefine. And I'm sorry. It's like I did not sign on to Israel first. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I'm sorry. Like, I don't care. You can be pro-Israel. You can have that opinion.

00:54:27.380 and i can still find common cause with you on everything else but if you can't see that that

00:54:32.640 being your only binding agent for your political coalition is poisonous and destructive then i

00:54:39.540 don't know what else to tell you and that's why people are treating you like an enemy that's why 0.93

00:54:43.360 i'm watching people go with the woke writer the retard writer the spurg writer all these names 0.86

00:54:47.700 all they're doing is creating a friend enemy distinction right down the middle of the right 0.92

00:54:52.040 wing and they're doing it on purpose because they want to shuttle off all those people who 0.63

00:54:56.900 were actually part of the MAGA coalition Ben Shapiro didn't give one crap about Donald Trump

00:55:00.760 he hated Donald Trump you you think Mark Levin liked Donald Trump no he hated him Lindsey Grant 0.65

00:55:05.980 all of them campaigned against him said they were never Trump you know declared him to be this

00:55:11.360 terrible person but now that they think he's doing what Israel wants to do all of a sudden friend

00:55:15.920 enemy distinction boom line up right behind him can't get enough they're the real MAGA it's so 1.00

00:55:21.080 obvious it's so stupid it's so evil and it's so destructive to what people voted for i want the 0.99

00:55:27.400 trump administration to be doing things domestically and when they do that and they 1.00

00:55:30.940 still do they're still winning things domestically but this iran policy is overshadowing that so

00:55:36.560 desperately and slowing down the ability to do what needs to get done and that's what frustrates

00:55:41.300 people like me it's not oh man i i can't believe i hate trump now i want to vote democrat i know

00:55:46.500 there are some people out there saying that but they're just valuable because they lump

00:55:49.700 all of us together into that rather than actually saying oh you know these are people who actually

00:55:54.260 have always supported trump i support trump every time he's run for president but all of a sudden

00:55:58.820 i'm anti-trump yeah and i'll just i'll just say you know uh something to that i think you know

00:56:04.040 obviously uh fuentes is sort of leading the vote for democrat thing and i understand where he's

00:56:08.420 coming from not that i think you should vote for democrats and i don't know if i could bring

00:56:11.500 especially out in texas with james tallarico like god forbid you know i could never vote for

00:56:16.020 Democrats. But I think people are getting the wrong impression where it's like we're Democrats

00:56:19.560 now. I think the idea of like, look, if the vote is all we have, if that's it, if that's our ability,

00:56:25.340 then you can't just always give it to the same party all the time, no matter what they do.

00:56:29.680 That doesn't make any sense. And if the strategy is, hey, look, 2028 is the real one. 2028 is the

00:56:35.500 presidential election. We have to win that. So maybe, you know, OK, it gets gridlocked. They

00:56:41.620 win in 2026 they get the the house but we have the senate so they can't really pass anything

00:56:46.240 you know it's a strategy i think people are misinterpreting it as just like well i'm a 0.76

00:56:51.120 democrat now let's flood america with third worlders i think it's a little bit more sophisticated 0.61

00:56:55.700 than that and i think it's a valid um strategy to pursue in the current you know manifestation 0.63

00:57:02.140 of our two-party system i i sort of get where he's going and i just think uh at the end of the

00:57:07.140 day we do need to define like what is right-wing even mean what do we actually believe what are we

00:57:12.380 actually going for and like same thing with me I'm like as far right as you can possibly get on 0.51

00:57:16.840 most issues but because I don't support Israel people are like so you're like AOC and it's just

00:57:21.820 like what no what it's it is generally crazy and it's it's all false dichotomies right because the

00:57:26.680 same thing happens with Islam and Judaism where it's like oh you're not in favor of Israel killing 0.97

00:57:32.200 all of their neighbors you just love muslims and are a secret muslim and it's like okay hold on 0.93

00:57:37.280 nobody says that rock is working with paper just because you know they both fight scissors it's 0.89

00:57:41.400 like these are three forces here i'm an american christian that's what i care about i really don't

00:57:46.720 care about these other two and i refuse to abide by this false dichotomy they set up that says

00:57:51.140 you're either one or the other no i'm a third thing i'm american i'm an american christian

00:57:55.000 that's what i support ultimately like i said i really think that voting for democrats is a

00:57:59.900 terrible mistake but i at at some point if the administration doesn't deliver or if people think

00:58:06.660 that the congress isn't delivering i don't blame them when they don't show up to the polls at the

00:58:10.280 very least right even if they're not voting democrat like at some point you are hurting

00:58:14.080 your own turnout by not delivering on these things obviously the trump administration has

00:58:17.880 delivered on more than the congress has but there are still big issues there and so you're going to

00:58:22.860 you're going to naturally suppress your own turnout and impact your own election if you're not

00:58:26.860 delivering on those promises but that said i know you got to go here i've got a few questions from

00:58:31.260 the audience do you have time for that or do you gotta leave we do my show starts at 3 p.m exactly

00:58:36.020 so uh we have all in all right let's jump into that then uh oh and before we get started actually

00:58:41.720 let people know i know you've mentioned a few times but just so they have it where should they

00:58:45.140 find you where can they find the alex jones all the new stuff yeah well we we always stream on

00:58:49.760 rumble uh on rumble and x and make sure you're following us on x at aj in live at aj in live

00:58:55.720 That's Alex Jones Network at AJNLive is where you can find us.

00:58:59.020 At RealAlexJones, of course, we always stream on his platform.

00:59:02.820 I'm at Harrison H. Smith.

00:59:03.900 You can follow me on X.

00:59:05.460 So I do the War Room 3 to 6 p.m. Central Time every Monday through Friday.

00:59:09.640 It's a call-in show, so give us a call.

00:59:11.340 Let us know what you think.

00:59:12.560 And, yeah, greatly appreciate it.

00:59:14.260 But AlexJonesLive.com is the URL.

00:59:17.060 AlexJonesLive.com is basically if you used to go to InfoWars.com,

00:59:20.840 now you go to AlexJonesLive.com, and that's where you find us.

00:59:24.560 Excellent.

00:59:24.920 make sure you guys check them out i've been on harrison's show great guy make sure that you are

00:59:28.840 following them so you can find all the new content there sean wyland says the arc of history is long

00:59:33.720 but bends towards alex jones being correct yes i love that the alex jones is right jar is now the

00:59:39.380 meme i had a comment early on where that got involved i was in the tim cast studio last week

00:59:44.620 they have a physical jar there now that you have to put the money in for alex jones right it's uh

00:59:50.160 it's fantastic that that's come around and you know one of my favorite things like a lot of people

00:59:54.540 are aware of the um the where the justin bieber rant where he's going oh you care about justin

00:59:59.720 bieber and he's flipping out what he was talking about back then that was like 2011 or something

01:00:04.360 and he's going justin bieber is being set up as a as an idol so that he can lead your kids down

01:00:10.320 the climate change socialism route and who was talking about climate change in 2011 as this big

01:00:16.940 like world conspiracy now we all recognize that but like the alex jones clips the classic clips

01:00:22.440 are full of stuff like that where you go oh wait he's not just ranting about justin bieber for no

01:00:26.500 reason he's pointing out the method by which the media is indoctrinating kids into supporting the

01:00:30.840 climate change agenda which is an anti-human agenda he called this 20 years before anybody

01:00:34.740 else even knew it existed it's stuff like that is amazing so yes alex jones was right is right

01:00:40.200 and continues to be right even the things you think he's wrong about you wait a few years yeah

01:00:44.320 you'll you'll i mean they were actually turning the frogs gay so and they were actually exact

01:00:48.620 Exactly. That's exactly the type of thing. 0.98

01:00:51.760 Manahude says,

01:00:52.720 Alex Jones deserves a statue in Dallas, Texas.

01:00:55.240 When we win in honor of his fearless crusade

01:00:57.760 against evil in high places,

01:00:59.740 he is a great American us, I guess, U.S.

01:01:03.800 Yes, fantastic.

01:01:05.340 Maybe perhaps one day,

01:01:06.260 though, make sure not to make it out of gold.

01:01:08.200 I think we hopefully learned that lesson here recently.

01:01:10.460 But it could be like in the square

01:01:12.620 and you could be pointing at the grassy knoll.

01:01:14.300 That could be a good spot for you.

01:01:15.500 There you go. There you go.

01:01:16.520 Book repository.

01:01:17.840 Yeah, exactly.

01:01:18.620 he also says uh there's a war for your mind an info war and then weird e-curb says uh the

01:01:24.880 political climate used to be way different when few people would even say the term illuminati

01:01:29.440 jones was screaming at he's a living legend yeah again it's one of those things where the record

01:01:33.580 just speaks for itself you can feel how you're about the delivery and everything else but you

01:01:39.360 know when you measure jones up against so many other paid professional political uh pundits and

01:01:45.500 actors and predictors prognosticators he's just come out on top more than often i think because

01:01:49.820 he just has that mindset the the elite are evil and anything that they could do to hurt us they

01:01:55.240 are actually doing and that's just a beautiful heuristic for him over and over again and i'll

01:02:00.860 say it's not just the the people sort of in the middle are being drawn to the edge by alex jones

01:02:05.320 and sort of what you're describing but it's also the people that are you know on the on the far

01:02:09.620 side like the sblc thing coming out and showing that the sblc had been funding these wild you

01:02:13.620 know racist groups i mean alex has been saying that the entire time he's on air and a lot of

01:02:18.040 people now i recognize that may have been more like we're a white country we need to white people

01:02:22.020 white white now they're going well hey look it's you know actually we need everybody on board this

01:02:26.620 is actually a fight of humanity against this like the cabal of psychopaths uh maybe race isn't the 0.83

01:02:31.860 most important thing maybe we actually need to focus on the and so it's like from all ends of

01:02:36.200 the spectrum everybody gravitates towards alex jones because he staked his flag in america in

01:02:40.600 classic Americana, American nationalism, and we haven't moved. And everybody else is slowly but

01:02:45.880 surely making their way towards our center mass. So it's a really beautiful thing.

01:02:50.760 Absolutely. All right, guys. Well, thank you so much for watching. Of course, head over and check

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - May 11, 2026

The Rise and Fall of Infowars ｜ Guest： Harrison Smith ｜ 5⧸11⧸26

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