The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Rise of Rupert Lowe ｜ Guest： Harry Robinson ｜ 2⧸25⧸26

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody. How's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great

00:00:03.960 stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy. The UK has been in an

00:00:09.300 electoral bind. They've been constantly looking for the politician that will lead them out of

00:00:13.740 the left-wing madness that has consumed their country. But despite offers from different right

00:00:18.560 wing figures, even people starting new parties like Nigel Farage, they've seen failure after

00:00:24.080 failure. But finally, a new champion has emerged. The right wing in the UK seems very excited about

00:00:31.820 the rise of Rupert Lowe. But many people in the United States haven't heard of him. Kind of came

00:00:36.500 out of nowhere to them. They don't know what's going on. So I wanted to have somebody on to discuss

00:00:40.640 this important moment in UK politics. Joining me to discuss it is one of our favorite Lotus Eaters. 1.00

00:00:46.800 Harry, thank you so much for coming on, man. Thank you very much for having me on, Oron. It's great

00:00:51.880 to be here. Fantastic. And guys, we are pre-recorded today. I am traveling, so we can't answer your

00:00:58.780 questions, unfortunately, at the end. Just wanted to let you know that. Appreciate the support, but we

00:01:02.720 can't go through Super Chats today. So Harry, a lot of people are suddenly seeing excitement about

00:01:09.260 Rupert Lowe starting a new party. They're pretty confused because for them, Nigel Farage is like

00:01:14.820 the new right-wing guy. We just got a new right-wing party. We get that maybe the conservatives in the UK

00:01:20.060 aren't sufficiently right-wing, but wasn't Nigel Farage the answer? Don't we like Nigel Farage?

00:01:25.940 What happened here? Well, Nigel Farage has always been a bit of a charlatan, and we at Lotus Eaters

00:01:32.240 have been a bit hot and cold with Nigel Farage for a very long time. And it's also other parts of the

00:01:37.280 reform party, such as Richard Tice, who's kind of the right-hand man of the party. You know, we had

00:01:43.520 Dan and Beau of the Lotus Eaters were both separately standing as potential MPs for reform

00:01:51.280 back about two years ago, and various circumstances with both of them led to, for both of them to be

00:01:58.340 delisted as candidates and kicked out of the party. Beau, for instance, was the most shocking one,

00:02:04.060 which is that reform as a party have put themselves up kind of implicitly, at the very least, even if not

00:02:11.940 explicitly. Implicitly, they are the protest party, they're the anti-immigration party, which does

00:02:18.180 suggest mass migration, right? And at the time that Beau was in the party, they had a mass migration

00:02:24.700 policy, or it was part of their manifesto that they were going to promise to do mass deportations.

00:02:30.000 So Beau wrote up an article, I think it was for the Mallard magazine in Britain, saying, okay, here's how

00:02:37.120 it would work then. If we want mass deportations, here's how it would work. It's not going to be easy,

00:02:41.940 it's not going to be pretty, and this will be a theme that we come back to in a moment. It will

00:02:45.740 be difficult, and there will be hardships. The Guardian will run newspaper headlines, and the BBC

00:02:51.080 will show footage of crying women being taken from their homes, but it's necessary if we want to save

00:02:56.800 our country from the multicultural fate that we're experiencing right now. Too much for reform. So for 1.00

00:03:02.580 having the absolute gall to explicitly lay out the implications of their own policy,

00:03:08.740 he got kicked out of the party. Similarly with Dan, I forget the exact details, but something was

00:03:15.100 said, I think on his Twitter account, that was beyond the pale for reform. So they kicked him out

00:03:20.540 of the party and stopped him from standing as a candidate. So we have our own direct personal

00:03:25.780 history with reform in that way. So I just want to be clear with that before I say anything else.

00:03:31.080 But yeah, Nigel Farage is weak. There are a number of examples over the past few years of him being

00:03:37.860 interviewed and giving public statements where he explicitly says that mass deportations,

00:03:44.100 things that are necessary to save England and Britain more broadly from a demographic crisis,

00:03:49.620 are not on the table. Now he gives various excuses for this, various reasons. The most notorious one

00:03:55.660 is from last year, I believe, when he was speaking with GB News America. And the wonderful chap who

00:04:04.460 does the interviews for them, his name has suddenly just escaped my mind. Let me know if you remember,

00:04:09.300 if you remember, where he was on that. And he was asked, you know, are you going to do,

00:04:15.520 he was just asked straight up, are you going to do mass deportations? Are you going to do what

00:04:19.200 needs to be done? And he just went, it's impossible. It's impossible. And then when he was on the

00:04:24.160 Winston Marshall show, he was asked about Muslims in the country, and what he would do about them,

00:04:31.180 you know, Rupert Lowe, for those who are unaware of who he is, as the head of the Restore Party,

00:04:37.360 just last week, got done fronting and coordinating what was called the rape gang inquiry. And of course,

00:04:44.120 that mainly involved Pakistani Muslims, the grooming gang crisis, the scandal and controversy that

00:04:50.640 happened in this country, over the course of decades, he was asked, are you going to do anything

00:04:55.220 about these people about these communities? Are we going to see a removal of these communities? And he

00:05:01.360 said, Oh, it's impossible. I can't do anything like that. And we can't do anything that's going to

00:05:06.360 alienate potential Muslim voters in the future. So in a number of ways, the party more broadly,

00:05:13.040 but Nigel Farage himself has been shown to be weak and not having the strength of character,

00:05:19.800 or even the vision to do what's necessary for this country. I don't even necessarily think

00:05:27.040 personally that they want to do it, that Nigel Farage wants to do it. I think on a very obvious

00:05:33.380 level, he's kind of a 1980s liberal Thatcherite. So he does see some things to do with greater

00:05:40.140 diversity in the country as being automatically good. So that there's just a number of issues

00:05:45.040 with him straight off. Yeah, I mean, from the outset of that party, and you can correct me if

00:05:49.640 I'm wrong, because I'm certainly not as up on UK politics as you. But from the beginning of that

00:05:54.260 party, while as you said, it was kind of set up as the nationalist party, it was set up as,

00:05:59.400 you know, the party that was going to try to stop immigration, these kind of things,

00:06:03.440 it immediately filled itself its leadership ranks with a number of Muslim and Indian immigrants. Now,

00:06:09.280 there isn't inherently a problem necessarily with someone having a position that's going to further

00:06:15.620 your cause joining the ranks. But it seemed like most of the people they were adding were moderating

00:06:21.760 or completely reversing any interest that the UK right had in taking serious action on the immigration

00:06:29.500 issue. So it wasn't just that he's been milly mouthed and unwilling to commit to important steps,

00:06:35.700 or, you know, you could say maybe there's just a political realistic understanding of what can get

00:06:40.260 done. He's actually filling the party with people who would actively working against the agenda that

00:06:45.560 most people who want to support the party were ultimately supporting. Yeah, I mean, most notoriously,

00:06:51.600 there was Zia Yusuf, who is a Muslim man who became chairman of the party, who I believe bought his way

00:06:59.040 into that position by putting a 300,000 pound donation into them. So he immediately bought his

00:07:06.300 way into the party. And there are lots of concerns, understandably, about a Muslim man being so heavily 1.00

00:07:12.980 involved in the like, in the top decision making of that party. And because of the controversy, he was

00:07:20.000 asked to step back, or he chose to step back from that role as chairman last year, but has already come

00:07:27.640 back into, into the spotlight just today, as we're recording this, because he was announced at a

00:07:34.520 reform, as a reform conference, as being part of reform shadow cabinet. For those who are aware of

00:07:40.840 the American viewers right now, in the UK, as part of the parliamentary system, we have the government,

00:07:46.040 and we have the opposition, the government has a cabinet which has the ministerial roles, like, like,

00:07:52.440 for instance, foreign minister, head of the Home Office, Secretary, Chancellor of the Exchequer,

00:07:58.200 which is basically the person in control of the economy. And we have the opposition who have their

00:08:02.680 own shadow cabinet, which is just the people that they will put into those positions if they are in

00:08:07.720 government. Yeah, when you tell an American that you have a shadow cabinet, they assume there's some

00:08:11.640 kind of Illuminati QAnon thing happening. There's not, there's not a similar concept reflected in the

00:08:18.360 United States. I mean, maybe, but you know, this is all quite out in the open.

00:08:23.000 So, uh, Rupert Lowe has a personal history with Nigel Farage as well. And I don't know if this video

00:08:29.720 is recent or if it just started circulating again today. Uh, but they had a video of Nigel Farage

00:08:34.760 on stage with several other speakers and he's being questioned and he says, yeah, basically we threw

00:08:39.560 Rupert Lowe out of the party because he said we would need to deport Muslims and that's just too far for

00:08:44.920 us. We just, we just can't be in that situation. Uh, was that, you know, a, a, a recent, uh,

00:08:52.120 recording? Was that one that was pulled out from a while ago? No, that was today. That was as part,

00:08:58.760 yeah, that was part of the reform conference that was going on where they were making all

00:09:04.040 of these announcements with the shadow cabinet. Uh, a journalist got up and asked the question that

00:09:08.760 everybody was thinking, which is Rupert Lowe has just announced that Restore Britain, his think tank

00:09:13.880 movement that he organized last year has become a party. Uh, they seem to be a direct rival to you.

00:09:20.120 What do you have to say on this? And Nigel Farage got up and he answered the question.

00:09:24.520 And at first he said, oh, you know, well, actually, uh, Rupert Lowe's really litigious.

00:09:30.440 He sues everybody. He sued me back in 2019 when he was involved in Southampton,

00:09:35.080 he sued people back in the day. So you can't trust him that way. Besides there are like 11

00:09:39.640 other centre-right upstart parties that are coming to take my crown. So it doesn't really

00:09:44.120 matter. And he could have just left it at that. He could have just left it at that,

00:09:48.040 but he had to add in the moral condemnation as well, which is, as you said, he then said,

00:09:54.680 referring back to when Rupert Lowe was in the party and was kicked out of the party,

00:10:00.680 the, yeah, his stance on mass deportations was, I believe the words that he used were,

00:10:07.080 beyond the pale and beyond the realm of decency and morality. So Rupert Lowe, at the time when he

00:10:15.160 was still in reform, so again, for everybody who doesn't know, Rupert Lowe kind of emerged on the

00:10:21.560 political scene in a major way, uh, around the end of 2024 and the beginning of 2025. Before then,

00:10:28.360 he had been a candidate standing for things like Nigel Farage's prior Brexit party. And he had also

00:10:34.760 been known just more generally on the public stage as, um, heavily involved in the Southampton football

00:10:40.600 club, uh, of all things. Um, but it was really late 2024, early 2025, when he was putting out all

00:10:48.760 of these large posts on Twitter about the things that he was doing. He was trying to get, he was just

00:10:54.120 sending, going through in his capacity as an MP for reform at the time. He was speaking to all of the

00:11:00.920 different, um, all of the different ministers in government, trying to speak to all of the

00:11:06.440 different positions and departments of government and ask the Home Office, for instance, what was

00:11:11.720 being done about grooming gangs, what had been done in regards to a grooming gang inquiry. Can we get

00:11:17.160 some records on what was said to the public at the time? Can you get some, any sort of action taken

00:11:23.160 for these things that are of paramount public importance for how the country has been run and

00:11:27.800 will be run in the future? And he started to get a little bit of a momentum off the back of it. And he

00:11:33.080 was very unapologetic that how he saw reform's mission was as a protest party that if they were

00:11:39.960 to enter government would need to, as the name suggests, reform the systems, reform the government from

00:11:45.560 within and also in the process of doing so, enact mass deportations. They needed to take this foreign 1.00

00:11:53.640 population, especially that had been brought into the country, especially under Boris Johnson's

00:11:58.920 conservative government, the Boris wave, and they needed to be taken out of the country. They needed

00:12:04.520 to be sent back to where they came from. There needed to be huge reforms on the ECHR and a number of other

00:12:09.800 systems within this country that ensure that these people come in. And then all of a sudden out of

00:12:15.480 nowhere, Zia Yusuf and the rest of the reform party alleged that Rupert Lowe has been accused of

00:12:23.640 bullying his own staff members within his office and that he had tried to start a fight with Zia Yusuf.

00:12:31.320 And for that reason, he had been, I believe, at first suspended and later kicked from the party,

00:12:36.360 pending an investigation into it that also came with police charges. So they had levied police charges

00:12:44.680 against him for trying to assault the then chairman, Zia Yusuf. Now, these charges eventually got

00:12:52.360 dropped, but obviously it led to a lot of public, like a lot of harassment in Rupert's personal life.

00:12:58.040 Rupert's also a farmer and interesting fact for the Americans out there, you are allowed to own guns in

00:13:03.960 England, but most of the guns in England are owned by farmers. Rupert Lowe owns a lot of guns and they

00:13:10.840 confiscated all of his guns as part of this, which led to a wonderful little moment when he did,

00:13:16.440 when the, when the whole criminal charges were dropped, when he got all of his guns back and

00:13:20.280 there was a wonderful picture of him carrying all of his guns in a wheelbarrow back into his farm.

00:13:25.240 It was, I'm sure I bring a tear to all of your eyes right now. I can see it warms your heart,

00:13:30.280 hearing a story. Honorary American, yeah, walking through there, yeah.

00:13:33.480 Yeah, it was beautiful. But this is kind of contrary to everything that Nigel Farage said just

00:13:40.360 today. Because at the time, the story that the public was, was sold, that what we were told was

00:13:47.320 that Rupert Lowe was a bully and he was violent and he was arrogant and he was trying to assault his

00:13:53.640 colleagues. And that's why he had to be removed from the party. What we heard today from Nigel 0.93

00:13:59.160 Farage himself was that it was actually a moral condemnation regarding his views on extreme mass

00:14:06.440 deportations that led to the party removing him. He said, because I knew that it was morally

00:14:11.800 reprehensible, we had to kick Rupert Lowe out of the party. So, I mean, that's, if nothing else,

00:14:18.360 it goes to show not only the weakness of their stance on such things, but also the dishonesty.

00:14:25.560 The dishonesty of the way that they treated Rupert Lowe in that whole affair and tried to weaponize

00:14:31.320 the criminal system against him. Well, in a lot of ways, it also signals the level

00:14:37.800 of danger that they feel with a guy like Lowe around. Like, it's very clear that he threatens

00:14:43.240 their right flank rather significantly. If you can tell only by the fact that Nigel Farage

00:14:48.680 basically assassinated his own political career live on stage today. So, there's that. It feels

00:14:56.040 in a way like Farage is almost a William F. Buckley figure in that he's there to present himself as the

00:15:03.480 new way to oppose the left, the new way to fight back, the guy who's making waves. But his primary

00:15:09.640 concern is actually gatekeeping, keeping things well within the fenced understanding, keeping people

00:15:18.840 on the reservation while putting himself out there as a reformer, as someone who's going to make any

00:15:24.360 kind of changes and thereby controlling the narrative that is allowed to enter into British politics.

00:15:31.400 I've had the pleasure of going to your country here a few times in the last few years. And the thing

00:15:37.080 I've been struck by in most political situations where I've been introduced is that everyone under 35, 0.96

00:15:44.760 I'd say, in the UK, is radically, radically, radically to the right of the leadership of even

00:15:53.160 what is supposed to be their right wing parties. There's a huge disconnect in America between the GOP

00:15:59.160 and, you know, the actual voter. But the gulf is just not the same when it comes to, you know,

00:16:06.680 the understanding that there's at least a decent amount of the GOP and their voters that overlap in

00:16:12.120 the mainstream. For the UK, it seems very much not the case. So, I can understand why they feel the need

00:16:18.680 to have this level of containment. Now, in the United States, obviously, we have a two-party problem.

00:16:24.200 You can't just start a new party in the US the same way you can in Britain. The dynamics with our

00:16:31.560 voting system just make it prohibitive. You basically have to go and, like, skin suit the GOP.

00:16:37.800 You can't just, you know, zero seats them the way you guys did to the Conservatives and go somewhere

00:16:43.560 else. But can you talk a little bit about that dynamic in the UK? A lot of people are trying to

00:16:48.040 push the idea that Rupert Lowe is splitting the vote and guaranteeing left wing victory. Is that a valid

00:16:53.640 concern in your electoral system or do you think there really is a future for his movement?

00:16:58.680 Well, there's a few things that I need to address there. First of all, in terms of the split in

00:17:03.800 public opinion versus elite opinion in this country, there was a poll done quite recently that showed

00:17:10.600 the elite opinion within the political parties, every single one of them, going from, you know,

00:17:18.200 Labour and the Greens, which you would expect to the Tories and reform, were all well to the left

00:17:24.280 of the average man on the street. So there is statistical evidence of everything that you've

00:17:29.240 said there. And also, just on anecdotal evidence, I could go into any pub in the country, I can guarantee

00:17:35.560 you this, any pub in the country and strike up a conversation with anyone, and the 90% chance would

00:17:43.320 be that they are going to, by the end of a conversation, be espousing views well to the

00:17:48.840 right of any mainstream party in the UK. So that's just a fact that, yes, this country

00:17:55.880 is not represented at all in its views and opinions by the elites. And this is something that Farage is

00:18:03.880 trying his best to kind of sidestep with a lot recently. And you've seen it a lot with some of

00:18:10.200 the public messaging that's come out from regime dissident media, you could say, you know,

00:18:17.880 something that wants to look dissident that is also still regime at the same time. So some of the

00:18:23.800 people who on talk TV, for instance, like Alex Phillips, coming out and saying that, oh, well,

00:18:30.120 this is just all to do with online, like, this is an online phantom, essentially, that all of his

00:18:36.520 engagement is fake, it's all bots, or people who are in this online echo chamber that doesn't

00:18:41.320 translate out into the real world. And you get a number of other reform shills saying the same thing.

00:18:46.760 But the fact of the matter is that they are trying to ignore that most of those people who are engaging

00:18:52.440 will be real. And it doesn't, it does reflect what most normal people think. I know people, I mean,

00:18:59.000 you and I were both into into heavy metal, I know loads of like, heavy metal people, which for a

00:19:04.360 long time has been a subculture that's been appropriated by left wing attitudes and left wing

00:19:11.000 talking points. A lot of people that I know who exist within the kind of alternative culture,

00:19:16.520 I can have a conversation with them. And within about five minutes, they'll be on my side on most

00:19:21.160 things, because what we believe is simply common sense, it's inevitable that it is all common sense.

00:19:27.320 And so they want to try and dismiss this as all an online phenomenon, when it does reflect the views

00:19:31.720 of this country and clearly is something that they are going to have to worry about. But and returning

00:19:37.240 to the thing about the electoral system, the fact that you can start a party, that that is something

00:19:43.160 that you can do. And that was the initial appeal of reform is that they started as this protest vote,

00:19:49.080 they could siphon votes away from the conservatives, which they definitely did in the 2024 election,

00:19:56.040 it was part of the whole zero seats campaign, which is we don't want people voting for the Tories.

00:20:00.520 If you want to vote for a vaguely right wing aligned party, then you can vote for reform

00:20:05.960 instead. But the problem is that since then, we don't necessarily just have a two party system,

00:20:11.160 but we do still have a uniparty in a similar way to America, in that there are functionaries,

00:20:17.400 that we have Whitehall, which is the houses that house all of the buildings that house all of the

00:20:23.640 departments that the government has, which in a similar way to America will have a kind of permanent

00:20:28.840 bureaucracy in it. That permanent bureaucracy is largely Blairite. So they'll carry on that kind of

00:20:35.640 ideology that Blair puts in there, which has to be definitely contended by any government that comes

00:20:41.400 in and wants to reform, but also the ministers themselves can switch parties. And we've seen

00:20:47.880 this recently with a number of huge defections from the Tory party to reform. So some of the most

00:20:56.280 obvious ones, you had people like Suella Braverman, who was part of the Tory government, defected over to 1.00

00:21:01.640 reform. We had Nadeem Zahawi, who was part of Boris Johnson's government, defected over to reform. You have

00:21:09.560 had Nadine Doris, another Boris Johnson alumni, defected over to reform. Most notoriously now,

00:21:19.480 we have had Robert Jenrick jump ship over to reform after saying all through last year that he wasn't

00:21:27.080 going to do it and kind of having a mini public feud with Nigel Farage at the same time where they were

00:21:33.880 throwing insults at one another. The problem with this is that they are basically, and as well of course,

00:21:40.040 there's the talks that they would be willing to form a patriotic alliance at the next election to keep

00:21:48.760 Labour out of government in 2029. But that just means that you're just recreating the Tory party,

00:21:55.080 because you've already taken in most of a lot of former ministers from the Boris Johnson and even the

00:22:00.200 Rishi Sunak governments. And the problem with that is as well, you carry over the Tory

00:22:05.560 super structure with the party, which is all controlled by a man called Michael Gove, who's

00:22:10.520 a very sinister character in himself. If you're familiar, as I hope many of you will be with

00:22:15.720 Jonathan Bowden, there's a very notorious Jonathan Bowden quote where he said that he'd spoken to

00:22:21.480 Michael Gove about the things that were happening in the country and the changes that were happening in

00:22:26.600 mass migration. And Michael Gove said, yes, yes, it's all terrible what's happening in this country.

00:22:31.000 It's awful, isn't it? But we can't do anything about it. It wouldn't be British to do anything about it. 0.74

00:22:36.200 So this kind of like structural weakness, this structural inactivity, going with the flow, just

00:22:43.240 letting the ratchet keep on turning is inbuilt with the Tory party. And it just allows, if they

00:22:49.400 do this whole alliance with the two of them for the next election, it just allows that whole Goliath, 0.96

00:22:54.920 that Leviathan monster to reform just with kind of Nigel Farage at the head of it, which doesn't seem to

00:23:01.480 make that much of a difference. But also, you know, with Robert Jenrick, for instance, he tried over

00:23:06.040 the past few years to build himself up as the dissident Tory. He was the alternative to the Tory

00:23:13.080 party structures, to the Tory usual. He was going to rebuild a Tory party and make it based. He was

00:23:19.880 going to come out and say all of the harsh truths and say everything that needed to be said about mass

00:23:24.440 migration. He could make change, OK? The problem is that he was the immigration minister under Boris

00:23:33.240 Johnson. He was the guy letting all of these people in. Like, there was the whole thing,

00:23:39.720 there was the big controversy last year where after the fall of Afghanistan, a load of Afghans got let

00:23:46.120 into the country without the public knowing on a technicality that only got reported on last year.

00:23:51.640 Back in 2022, they just got let in. None of us knew. None of us were told about it.

00:23:56.600 That happened under Jenrick. And he wrote articles for newspapers saying about why we needed to accept

00:24:02.840 these needy Afghans in, right? And then all of a sudden, he just wanted to rebrand himself as,

00:24:08.520 oh, I'm the dissident anti-immigration Tory. It's just, it's dishonest. It's dishonest on its face.

00:24:15.160 You can't trust these people. And then Nigel Farage is letting these people in like it's some kind of win.

00:24:19.880 The whole system is built and structured in a way that is trying to keep things as they are.

00:24:27.640 Restore does seem to be a break from that because they're not being run by the same sorts of people.

00:24:34.040 They're not letting themselves be infested by these kinds of Tories and be restructure themselves in

00:24:40.520 favor of the Tory superstructure.

00:24:42.280 Yeah, I think that is a key difference. You know, obviously, in the United States, we have a

00:24:48.760 similar problem in that, you know, whether it be the Tea Party or then the MAGA movement,

00:24:55.880 there are always these attempts to push back against kind of the establishment conservative

00:25:00.840 Republican understanding. And these new congressmen come in or senators come in, political actors come in.

00:25:07.160 They're promising everything, but there's nowhere else for them to go but to plug into

00:25:12.680 the superstructure of the Republican Party into the GOP and conservative Inc.

00:25:17.640 And so very quickly, we see this co-op thing, you know, things shift. Remember,

00:25:21.640 Ted Cruz was a Tea Party conservative. You know, he was one of these guys who was going to come in and

00:25:26.760 and shake everything up. And even when you look at the Trump administration, I mean, I genuinely think

00:25:31.800 there are I mean, I know for certain personally, there are many people in the Trump administration

00:25:36.280 who are genuinely trying to change what's happening in D.C., what's going on. They really do.

00:25:42.120 They are true American nationalists. They do truly want to see America succeed above all.

00:25:47.320 But they are fighting not just the left, but their entire bureaucratic structure and honestly,

00:25:51.880 most of the conservatives and GOP as well, because there's just so much of this baked in.

00:25:56.760 So you have guys like Ben Shapiro who were never Trump the entire time. And now for the last year,

00:26:03.080 Ben's been letting us know that he gets to decide who's part of the conservative movement. Actually,

00:26:07.960 William F. Buckley was right to get keep all those people who ended up being entirely correct about

00:26:13.080 the problems of the United States out of the party so that we never addressed anything. You know,

00:26:17.080 we see guys like Lindsey Graham become central somehow to the foreign policy of the administration,

00:26:22.680 even though he represents basically everything that Trump voters were moving against when he was

00:26:29.000 elected. And so, you know, the difference here and I've seen Curtis Yarvin say this. I know a lot of

00:26:35.080 people soured on Curtis Yarvin, but I think this is just a really good observation by him. His pushback

00:26:42.200 against the Trump administration the entire time is that they have just not been radical enough that

00:26:47.240 they have just not been committed. He's like you need. And this is a funny coming from a guy who

00:26:51.880 pushes Machiavelli in politics all the time. But he says, you just need to come out and be hyper

00:26:56.280 honest, like tell people these problems are to the core. It's the whole system. We got to burn the whole

00:27:02.280 thing down and build it back up again. And you need to give me radical power in order to take radical

00:27:08.200 steps. And I'm not going to tell you it's easy and I'm not going to tell you it's simple and I'm not going

00:27:12.760 to tell you it's pleasant, but I am going to tell you the truth. And that's what's going to make it worth it.

00:27:17.160 And the difference here seems to be that Rupert Lowe, at least at the outset, anything can change.

00:27:23.600 But the outset, that seems to have been the message. I've heard endlessly that these young

00:27:29.440 millennials and Gen Z kids, they're so spoiled. They don't want to sacrifice anything. They don't 1.00

00:27:33.980 want to do anything. And uniformly, the response I have seen, especially from young British men,

00:27:40.860 has been to say, yes, I am on board with all of this. Rupert Lowe is putting out commercials saying,

00:27:46.260 none of this is going to be easy. None of this is going to be simple. We are going to have to fight

00:27:50.300 like hell and it's going to hurt. And the response has been, let's do this. Let's go. And I think that

00:27:56.660 at least that mindset early on, right now, Trump is trying to convince the boomers that they can keep

00:28:02.720 every dollar of value in their house until they're 99.

00:28:06.700 Oh, I couldn't believe it when I saw that clip, honestly.

00:28:11.120 But the refreshing shift from Rupert Lowe is, no, you're going to sacrifice and it's going to be

00:28:17.580 worth it because the problems we're facing are real. We're not going to properly manage your

00:28:21.500 stock portfolio while we fix this problem. We're going to fix the problem. I think that's the

00:28:25.780 level of seriousness that people are looking for.

00:28:27.700 Yeah. Just to address as well what you were saying about the party superstructures,

00:28:32.560 the interesting difference with British politics is, as discussed, you don't have to,

00:28:38.120 if you already have enough of a reputation and capital behind you, you don't actually have to

00:28:43.260 subsume yourself into a larger structure like the Tory party. Reform just chose to do that.

00:28:49.560 This was a conscious decision that they made to join hands with a lot of the people who were part

00:28:55.700 of these last disastrous governments and keep the door open for an alliance with them

00:29:00.700 in the future, basically spitting in the face of the constituents that they'd gathered over the past

00:29:06.100 few years. But yeah, with Rupert Lowe, it is refreshing. And, you know, I also put this down

00:29:12.180 to the fact that he is surrounded. And this is another important part. Farage surrounds himself with

00:29:17.880 yes men. He surrounds himself with people who are going to stroke his ego and tell him that every

00:29:23.280 decision that he makes is an amazing decision. Just think about this, right? Okay. Nobody around

00:29:29.900 Farage had either said or had the power to stop him from carrying on with his disastrous cameos

00:29:38.480 that he does. He is on the Cameo app. You can pay 80 euros to get Nigel Farage to say anything that you

00:29:47.400 want, right? And Nigel Farage will say anything that you want, okay? There was one that came out just a

00:29:54.780 few weeks ago, where if you've heard of the band, the disgraced band, The Lost Prophets, their lead

00:30:01.620 vocalist, Ian Watkins, is probably the most notorious child abuser in all of British history for the 21st

00:30:09.520 century, right? Nigel Farage got paid on Cameo to say, oh, here's a send out to my good friend,

00:30:16.840 Ian Watkins, rooting for you, buddy, right? And nobody around him either told him that's a bad idea

00:30:25.780 or had the power to look at that and say, Nigel, you need to stop. So the people around these people

00:30:32.820 are very important. Rupert's surrounded by a lot of very good, reliable people, people that I know

00:30:39.180 and have met personally and do trust to be making good decisions and advising him to go in the right

00:30:47.120 direction. And this initial video that they put out of Rupert on his farm with this kind of, you know,

00:30:54.240 it's very British. There's a gray overcast sky. It's a man in a plain coat and farm trousers and

00:31:02.740 wellington boots walking around and saying, listen, guys, it's going to suck. But a lot of people 0.96

00:31:08.820 are going to have to go. It's like millions are going to have to go. It's going to be grim. It's

00:31:15.420 going to be difficult and there's going to be suffering. But England is essentially saying

00:31:19.460 Britain says that you must do your duty, right? And one is the refreshing honesty of that. There's

00:31:26.120 not speaking out of both sides of your mouth like Farage does. There's not this endless history of

00:31:30.960 betrayal and backstabs like Farage has. It's also kind of a call for what young men want,

00:31:38.060 which is a sense of purpose, because otherwise, what do you have? You have your BS job. You have

00:31:44.720 your little Dino box with a tiny garden and you have the promise that the country will continually

00:31:51.200 get worse and worse and worse and then you die. And the politicians at the same time will call you

00:31:57.000 lazy. Again, just going back to Farage, another thing that he did last week was that he hit out

00:32:01.680 against the idea of working from home. He said it's complete nonsense and we don't want all of it.

00:32:06.500 He appealed to like the kind of boomer biases that you get where they just want to say all 0.89

00:32:11.440 these young'uns are too lazy. They don't want to put in a real hard day's work like I had to 1.00

00:32:16.620 back when I was a kid. And he came out saying under reform, we're going to get rid of working 0.95

00:32:20.980 from home. It's nonsense. You need to be working in an office. So again, for the youth vote, what is

00:32:25.920 that? What is that? It's the promise that you're going to have to spend loads of money on a commute

00:32:31.220 where you're going to have to interact with a load of strangers of foreign extraction who might be

00:32:36.120 dangerous. You know, just a few months ago in Canterbury, we had a terror attack on a train.

00:32:41.360 So, you know, if you're going on a train or if you're going in the tube in London,

00:32:44.720 flip that coin, buddy. Let's see what your luck is today. And you're going to have to spend loads of

00:32:50.780 money on food. You're not going to get as much time with your family. You probably won't be able to

00:32:55.800 afford a family in the first place. So who even cares, right? That's kind of what reform are

00:33:00.180 offering young people. And then they're also saying, also, we kind of won't deport people

00:33:04.280 anyway. Whereas Rupert is offering them a mission. He's offering them a sense of purpose,

00:33:09.260 and he's not sugarcoating it. And that's one of the things is the aesthetics of it were kind of

00:33:14.100 perfect for Britain. It wasn't, you know, like the, it seems bizarre to me, but the whole fireworks and

00:33:21.500 pro wrestling aesthetic of American politics works for Americans and for American voters.

00:33:27.740 For me as an Englishman, it seems bizarre. Politics should be dour, grim, serious men in suits,

00:33:36.040 talking seriously about serious matters. It shouldn't necessarily be Hulk Hogan coming on stage

00:33:41.960 and ripping the shirt off. It's awesome from an outsider perspective, bizarre as it is. You know,

00:33:46.700 I look at it and go, that's different. You know, that's not how we do it over here.

00:33:50.240 But reform have kind of tried to appeal to that same, um, my hair's going slightly crazier as I go

00:33:55.500 on. That's fine. Uh, reform have tried to appeal to that confetti and fireworks, big American maggot 0.59

00:34:02.280 aesthetic. For me, it is, is much more appealing and much more homely and sincere to see Rupert Lowe,

00:34:09.600 a farmer on his farm, talking to you about the necessity of what the, what the world demands right now.

00:34:16.660 That works a lot better for me and everybody I've spoken to about it has, uh, has said the same

00:34:22.880 thing. Yeah. In a way you can feel like adopting the American political aesthetic is its own kind of

00:34:29.520 nod that you're going to stay plugged in to the system, as opposed to bring something specifically

00:34:35.060 British and particularly, uh, English to that understanding of kind of what you're doing as a

00:34:40.800 nation. But this comes, I think, to the core of the problem for both of our countries at the moment,

00:34:45.520 which is of course, you know, uh, immigration and demographic transformation. Uh, one of the big

00:34:51.900 things driving the right wing split in the UK is that despite no matter how many times the

00:34:57.700 British vote to end mass migration and get, uh, you know, some level of relief, uh, from the people

00:35:05.680 coming in, uh, nothing happens. Right. And then this is just a massive problem. This is why, uh,

00:35:11.020 Rupert Lowe's, you know, announcement that millions of us go home is a radical, you know,

00:35:15.980 for people in the United States, proportionally that's tens of millions have to go home. You know,

00:35:20.040 that's the level of, of deportations that he is suggesting. And so that, that really does shift

00:35:26.060 the game because when you look at the United States and you look at the desire of really both

00:35:33.720 parties to find new constituency groups, uh, they've been very comfortable with moving in,

00:35:39.080 you know, pretty much anyone from anywhere, declaring them real Americans and, uh, you know,

00:35:43.640 just, just moving forward with it, assuming that that's going to somehow secure them victory.

00:35:47.240 In fact, right now we're having a very interesting discussion that parallels one that's happening in

00:35:52.100 your country. There's been, uh, famously a few, I, you know, I can name several different dust

00:35:57.160 steps over what is an Englishman? What does it mean to be English? Is, is, is the English

00:36:01.560 an ethnicity? Is it, is it the overarching identity of the British Isles? Is it, you know,

00:36:07.200 something that's entirely, uh, able to be adopted by anyone anywhere, or does it have something to do

00:36:12.600 with distinct heritage? Simultaneously here in the U S, uh, we had, uh, Jeremy Carl, friend of mine

00:36:18.700 and fantastic Patriot trying to get confirmed, uh, for the Trump administration. And because he wrote a

00:36:24.000 book, uh, about, uh, basically white people being targeted and being discriminated against after,

00:36:29.660 uh, the civil rights regime, uh, they have painted him as some kind of rabbit ethno nationalist.

00:36:35.300 And, you know, he was famously asked, what is white culture? As if these people don't spend

00:36:40.420 every single day talking about how evil white culture is and how, how white culture has to be 0.98

00:36:46.060 suppressed or, you know, uh, gotten rid of. So like, it's not that they don't know what white 0.98

00:36:50.540 culture is. It's not that they don't know that it exists. It's not that they're confused or

00:36:54.600 wasn't there a display at the Smithsonian breaking down white culture precisely. So,

00:37:00.600 so this, this feigned ignorance, this playing the hatchling, uh, that the left is doing on this

00:37:05.700 very much mirrors what we're seeing in Britain, uh, on this question to the point where,

00:37:10.380 you know, Britain is simultaneously pretending it doesn't know who the English are while

00:37:17.040 specifically running government programs to drive the English out of the English countryside.

00:37:21.760 And so it's just interesting that once again, simultaneously, we have this exact discussion

00:37:28.180 occurring across, you know, the, the ocean, uh, you know, mirroring the idea of, you know,

00:37:34.100 can we actually define who we are as a people while the left pretends that, you know, they're,

00:37:40.140 they're not basically using their monopoly on this discourse, the extreme taboo of any, uh,

00:37:45.880 European descended people recognizing itself as a distinct group, uh, as this, you know,

00:37:51.060 way to bludgeon people out of having an honest conversation. Uh, um, yeah, of course. I mean,

00:37:57.200 and, and this is, this is the problem we've seen today following the announcements with, uh, with

00:38:03.100 restore the, uh, as I mentioned earlier, a lot of the people surrounding reform, a lot of their kind

00:38:08.700 of media mouthpieces have been coming out asking the same question. Alex Phillips, who shall we say

00:38:14.220 has a intimate and personal history with Nigel Farage herself was coming out and say, asking stupid 1.00

00:38:21.580 questions like, Oh, I just don't understand it. If Britain is, if British is something to do with 0.97

00:38:27.020 ancestry, does that mean that my stepsister isn't British? To which the question becomes then, well,

00:38:34.020 does she have any British ancestry or any of her direct ancestors, English, Scottish, Welsh,

00:38:40.040 and even, you know, they don't like you saying this, but it's true. Even maybe Irish, you know, 1.00

00:38:46.040 they don't like you getting lumped in there, but you know, plenty of you signed up for the empire,

00:38:50.060 lads. Sorry, sorry, sorry to break it to you. You know, she's playing, she's playing the hatchling.

00:38:54.680 And this is after somebody put a Basil the Great on Twitter, put up an amazing post earlier back in

00:39:00.660 October. She was posting about the necessity of getting over quote unquote racist genetics. And she's

00:39:08.140 starting to throw out this term when it benefits her politically. And well, she believes it does,

00:39:14.640 it benefits her in terms of the frame games that she plays, but she knows damn well, everything that

00:39:20.760 being British means, because she was speaking as soon as recently as October, about the necessities

00:39:26.440 of D taboo, of getting rid of the taboo around the idea of race and genetics. So again, you can go on

00:39:33.620 23andMe, ancestry, whatever, you can give a little sample of your DNA, and it will tell you an exact

00:39:39.700 genetic breakdown of your mix. And you don't have to go that far, because anybody who is English 1.00

00:39:45.580 or British already knows that they are, and they don't have to keep reaffirming it again and again

00:39:50.060 and again. It is to do with ancestry, it's to do with your heritage and culture, in much the way,

00:39:57.080 same way that in America you have heritage Americans who can trace their ancestry back to the

00:40:02.180 Mayflower. It's very similar to that, except we go back further. You know, we go back to a thousand

00:40:09.160 years ago, we go back to the Anglo-Saxon invasions, we go back to, I mean, I'm almost entirely pure

00:40:17.140 English, but that still means that I will have a fair Celtic admixture within that. Nobody's pure 0.98

00:40:22.800 Anglo-Saxon in this country. So that Celtic admixture will go back potentially tens of thousands

00:40:28.080 of years on these isles. But they just pretend not to understand that, and it's very disheartening

00:40:34.420 when you get the Tories with Rishi Sunak, who is Indian, saying that he is English. You get the

00:40:41.940 Labour putting forward these horrendous policies, like you've discussed recently, with Operation Scatter,

00:40:48.600 and the idea that they're going to try and breach the rural countryside and the shires with greater

00:40:55.260 diversity because they worry that otherwise our national landscapes and national landmarks will

00:41:01.800 become irrelevant because a bunch of foreigners who got off the boat yesterday aren't interested 1.00

00:41:07.300 in looking at them. So they need to, I don't know, add vape shops and barber shops to make sure that

00:41:12.640 these people are going to be interested in going to see Stonehenge or some rubbish. And then at the

00:41:17.520 same time you get reform coming out and saying, oh yeah, you know, I bashed my head against the wall

00:41:24.860 earlier today, and I completely forgot what genetics are, and I forgot what being English is about.

00:41:29.680 I guess being English is just about getting the passport. And Alex Phillips, when it was on Talk

00:41:34.420 TV, was speaking to Charlie Downs, who is, you know, somebody that I know personally. He's a good chap.

00:41:40.460 He's a very honest chap. He was on Talk TV speaking about this, and she was trying to ask him,

00:41:47.100 why does Britishness have to do with ancestry? Why does it have to have anything to do with that?

00:41:51.820 And she was basically trying to get him to say something that she could twist around as being

00:41:55.560 quote unquote racist. So when it suits them, these people in reform, or at least their media

00:42:02.100 mouthpieces, again, this doesn't apply to all of the members. There are plenty of honest members

00:42:06.900 in reform, but these media mouthpieces will revert to type. They will go to the same liberal dishonest

00:42:13.080 frame games to try and paint you as being an evil bigot if it suits them. But again, that's one of the

00:42:18.580 things that is refreshing about Restore is that their headline media, like faces in the media,

00:42:25.960 people like Charlie Downs, are unapologetic, both in saying that Britishness as an identity

00:42:31.700 is to do with your ancestry, Scottish, Welsh, English, Irish. And he also ties it further to our

00:42:38.180 Christian heritage. You know, we've been Christian since about what, the sixth or seventh century.

00:42:43.880 That's a heritage that goes back over a thousand years as well. So it's wonderful to hear someone

00:42:49.240 speak in both ancestral terms and broader religious cultural terms as well, because it speaks to a

00:42:55.920 very certain moral underpinning that you just don't get with these other parties.

00:43:00.420 Yeah, people pretend like this is so complicated when it's absolutely not. Is it heritage or is it

00:43:11.780 belief? Is it history or is it shared tradition? And the answer is yes. Yes, of course. Like the

00:43:21.560 answer is all of those things. And everyone understands this when they look at a family.

00:43:25.540 You know, is someone who is a child adopted into a family, can they become part of that family?

00:43:31.980 Well, yes. Yes, they can. But will it be the same as a child who is naturally born into that family?

00:43:37.820 Certainly not at first and not for a long time and maybe not ever. And that's OK. Like ultimately,

00:43:43.220 you do your best to blend those things together because you've made a choice to adopt that person.

00:43:48.660 But that's the key. You made the choice to bring them in and make them part of it.

00:43:53.320 They weren't forced upon you. If they were, then there's simply no way that you're ever going to

00:43:57.560 blend together as a family. These are obvious. Like, can you have an adopted child that is as

00:44:02.920 valuable to you as a child of your own blood? I think you can get pretty close. I think for some,

00:44:07.600 the answer is yes. But it's obviously harder. It obviously takes a lot of work. You kind of want

00:44:12.760 that child to already be somewhat like your family. Like these things are all doable, but we

00:44:18.440 understand this concept. It's not radical or foreign or alien to us. We're simply intentionally

00:44:24.740 complicating it because we want to throw that one taboo about understanding any kind of European

00:44:31.580 identity. Like that has to be off limits. So that way we can't have the discussion. If we're having

00:44:37.220 the discussion, I think the answers are very obvious and ultimately very reasonable and traditional

00:44:42.100 across the ages.

00:44:43.180 Yeah. And to build on your analogy about adopting somebody into your own household,

00:44:48.000 one of the other things in that situation as well is when you meet people like this,

00:44:51.940 they also do have a great interest and desire to reconnect with their biological family if they're

00:44:58.520 out there somewhere. There's this whole identity crisis that can arise with such a thing. It's quite

00:45:03.400 tragic in situations where families have been abandoned, where somebody's been abandoned from

00:45:07.520 their biological family. But we see this kind of mirrored in what we're talking about with mass

00:45:11.820 migration as well, which is White Papers Policy Institute. I was speaking with their director,

00:45:19.080 Sian Quinn, last week in an interview that will go out soon, probably by the time this goes out.

00:45:23.580 And she was citing statistics on these polls that are done amongst different generations of immigrants.

00:45:28.700 And by the time you get to a third generation of immigrant, I think something like radical between 1.00

00:45:33.820 60 and 70% of them want to return to the country that their original family came from. They feel this

00:45:41.540 yearning to return back to their homeland. And that's perfectly natural. That's good. There's nothing

00:45:46.800 prejudicial about that. There's nothing bigoted or hateful about that. That's simply them wanting to

00:45:54.240 return to their natural home. I respect that. And I appreciate that. And I do want to help people do that

00:46:00.380 because the thing that they always say with mass deportations, they don't have to be scary. You can

00:46:05.540 offer people legitimate routes who want to take that opportunity to go back to their homelands

00:46:11.820 to do so. It doesn't need to be people like stormtroopers knocking over people's doors and dragging them out

00:46:18.060 into the streets. It can be much more peaceful with that. And she was citing in America with Trump,

00:46:24.820 there have been some policies like the voluntary repatriation where people have accepted monetary

00:46:30.100 funds so that they can return to their original country of origin. And lots of people have taken

00:46:35.780 that up. So it can be a very positive thing for both sides. And I think that Rupert Lowe has also

00:46:42.820 spoken about the possibility of doing such a thing with Restore as well. Because ultimately,

00:46:49.780 there's no benefit to anybody in destroying the British countryside and destroying British pub culture 0.94

00:46:57.780 because Muslims in this country don't like to go drinking and don't like that they can go into a 1.00

00:47:04.220 pub and see a dog because they're afraid of dogs. That you're making everything worse for everybody 0.54

00:47:10.540 by doing that. The natural... We're also getting the you can't have dogs in America because of Muslims 1.00

00:47:16.580 argument, which, and God forgive me, please don't make me do this. I had to defend Randy Fine

00:47:23.620 on this issue, which hurt my soul. But he was right on this. Like, we don't need Muslims here 1.00

00:47:31.540 to, you know, like, I care far more about having my dog than I do about having a Muslim be comfortable 1.00

00:47:37.860 in my country. But hopefully that's the only thing Randy Fine will agree on.

00:47:42.580 Fingers crossed. If you start to agree on a bit more, I'm going to start having some questions.

00:47:46.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then it's time to start to worry. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:48.580 A wellness check there. But yeah, no, I... Sorry, go ahead.

00:47:52.580 There's just nothing beneficial about it. And even from a... If you want to get all, like,

00:47:58.340 squishy and liberal from it, from a humanitarian perspective, is it not kinder to reunite these

00:48:04.580 people with their homelands that already has a culture that's more accommodating and natural to

00:48:09.940 them in the first place? All right, Harry. Well, I think it is fascinating the changes that are

00:48:17.060 occurring in your country. I am very excited to see many of my friends in the UK so excited over

00:48:24.340 Rupert Lowe. I know it's been a long slog for you guys, and there's still plenty more work to do.

00:48:28.980 But I am very happy for my friends to have an important symbol to rally behind and someone who

00:48:36.020 they feel like ultimately is pushing for the good of the country. So before we go, can you let everyone

00:48:41.460 know where they can find your work? Well, you can find me on lotuseaters.com, both the website and

00:48:47.940 the podcast of the Lotus Eaters YouTube channel. I've got lots of interesting content coming out on there

00:48:54.580 soon. So I have quite a few videos. I have the long-awaited Star Wars prequel defense with AA,

00:49:02.500 which I know from the posts that AA has been putting up has actually caused riots. People have

00:49:07.940 been really clamoring for that one. Carl's been trying to hide it from the people, but the people

00:49:11.540 will get what they want. I've got some more film content coming out where I'm talking about the

00:49:16.020 films of David Lynch. I've got the interview with the White Papers Policy Institute. And very, very soon,

00:49:22.340 perhaps a documentary series related to 1960s American civil rights and their permeation

00:49:31.700 throughout the Western world, related mainly to the gay pride stuff, will be coming out very soon.

00:49:39.380 There's not been an official announcement done yet, but look out for March. There will be something

00:49:45.620 very exciting to watch out for then that has been cooking in the oven for a bloody long time. I hope it's

00:49:50.900 worth the wait for you all. I also have heard rumor that there might be secret, top secret,

00:49:57.860 Harry Robinson metal licks floating around somewhere that one day we might hear, but we'll have you back

00:50:03.380 on if that ends up, you know, if the rumors are ultimately proven true, we might have to have to

00:50:08.980 talk about that here soon. But thank you so much for coming on, man. If anybody is, for some reason,

00:50:13.380 not watching the Lotus Ears, trying to keep up with what's going on in the UK, you should most

00:50:18.900 definitely do that and watch Harry. And of course, if it's your first time on this channel, you need to

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - February 25, 2026

The Rise of Rupert Lowe ｜ Guest： Harry Robinson ｜ 2⧸25⧸26

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