The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Rise of the Tranissaries ｜ Guest： Kevin Dolan

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00:00:35.600 All right, guys. So we are continuing to discuss the ongoing events surrounding Charlie Kirk's assassination.

00:00:42.840 Obviously, this is the most important story going on right now and could be one of the most important stories of our lifetimes.

00:00:50.360 I think that's not really an overstatement at all. And so I really think that it is worth keeping an eye on what is going on and the different developments.

00:00:58.280 One of the things that I was surprised about yesterday is when the inevitable announcement, one I think we all knew was coming,

00:01:04.340 that the motivation behind the shooting was very likely connected to trans ideology,

00:01:09.060 that the assassin, alleged assassin in question, had been living with a trans woman

00:01:16.360 and was obviously very sympathetic to the attitude that many trans people have towards Charlie Kirk and his opposition to trans ideology.

00:01:25.640 That really made it clear, I think, ultimately, that this is now one of many shootings that has been inspired by the obsession with trans ideology.

00:01:34.200 And this is driving people towards violence. They're being radicalized online in places like Discord around this.

00:01:40.920 So we're going to be talking around the trans angle here and why this is so important in this crime.

00:01:46.960 I also want to discuss announcements we got from J.D. Vance and Stephen Miller on what we're going to be doing in response to this.

00:01:54.160 They both came out with very strong statements, which I was very heartened to see.

00:01:57.500 I think everyone was waiting for that strong statement saying we will do something.

00:02:01.880 This is not both sides. There is real repercussions coming and we finally got it.

00:02:06.600 So we're going to be talking about all that. Joining me today to discuss this is Kevin Dolan.

00:02:11.160 He is the head of the exit group. Kevin, thank you so much for coming on, man.

00:02:15.400 Great to be here, man. Thank you.

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00:03:17.040 All right, Kevin, before we dive into the new revelations and the implications that trans ideology and its effect on terrorism has for the wider American body politic, I want to play this video from Sam Hyde.

00:03:31.860 A lot of people, of course, think of Sam Hyde as a comedian.

00:03:34.140 Of course, he is.

00:03:34.900 But in these moments, Sam also has very important insights.

00:03:39.440 And this is a longer video.

00:03:41.420 It's about two minutes.

00:03:42.280 But I think it's just worth playing in its totality because it is so powerful.

00:03:46.060 The things that are so important.

00:03:47.760 And I think it's just well worth listening to.

00:03:50.460 So we're going to play that real quick.

00:03:51.800 Jesus is you.

00:03:54.780 This is your sister, your wife, your daughter.

00:03:58.680 But this right here is you.

00:04:02.780 This is your sister, your wife, your daughter.

00:04:08.660 This is you.

00:04:11.120 This is your sister, your wife, your daughter.

00:04:16.500 But this is you.

00:04:18.040 And this is their reaction when you are killed.

00:04:25.760 This is the joy they feel when your sister is raped.

00:04:32.400 When your children are castrated, brainwashed to hate you.

00:04:38.660 This is their ecstasy when the floor of the subway car is awash in your blood.

00:04:50.100 This is you.

00:04:52.280 Make no mistake, that is a symbol that is you.

00:04:57.500 But this won't last long.

00:05:00.260 They can't help themselves because they're so ugly and so low

00:05:06.860 that the only joy they can experience, the only good that they can envision

00:05:12.420 is to take something beautiful or innocent down to their level.

00:05:19.300 And when they can't do it, the next best thing is blood.

00:05:25.780 This is Charlie's family.

00:05:28.940 And these are his children who will never be able to hug their dad.

00:05:36.860 And grow up with a murdered father.

00:05:39.660 And these are the people who smugly revel in this.

00:05:45.480 And they won't stop with just Charlie.

00:05:50.220 The boats are burned.

00:05:52.260 There's nobody coming to help.

00:05:54.580 The barbarians are at the gate.

00:05:56.360 This is the fall of ancient Rome that we are living through currently.

00:06:03.040 And what happens in the next two weeks is going to determine the future of mankind.

00:06:11.080 That's not hyperbole.

00:06:13.240 That's just how it is.

00:06:14.320 So, a very powerful statement from Sam Hyde here.

00:06:20.380 I think just cutting to the core of why this impacts people so deeply.

00:06:27.340 We'll get on to Charlie and his qualities and why he was such an effective actor

00:06:32.520 and all the other things that have, you know, the praise that has been heaped upon him

00:06:36.680 very correctly for his role as a father and as a role model and as a leader.

00:06:41.620 But I think what Sam is hitting here and why these two events with the murder of Irina in North Carolina

00:06:50.440 and then the murder of Charlie Kirk, the reason these things back-to-back are so powerful

00:06:58.700 is there's no way you can't see yourself in these, especially in the murder of Charlie Kirk.

00:07:06.040 He held the politics of your grandfather, of your dad, of your uncle.

00:07:10.340 He is the kind of guy who feels like you could have been on the football team with him,

00:07:16.860 that he could leave, you know, be down the street and lead the Boy Scout troop.

00:07:22.300 You know, that's who Charlie Kirk feels like to the average person.

00:07:26.500 And the fact that so many people are now celebrating his death and clearly wishing for more

00:07:32.320 is, I think, the reason that this has cut everybody to their core.

00:07:36.780 Absolutely. It's all of the, there's like five bullet points, right, that all of the leftists

00:07:49.220 are saying, like, this is why he had it coming. And every single one of those, you know, you can

00:07:54.980 see how they are contextualized. There's a great thread somebody posted, like, here's what he's

00:07:59.680 actually saying in all of these bullet points. And some of them he was just completely misquoted

00:08:05.040 to say the opposite of what he was saying. But he was up against fundamental, factual questions

00:08:17.820 that, about which there can be no compromise. The trans issue being obviously the most salient

00:08:26.460 in terms of who killed him and why. And the reason I bring that up is to say that much of how he is

00:08:37.600 being praised, at which I agree with the spirit of it, but it is sort of painting us into this corner,

00:08:46.420 which is to say that, like, what makes us better than our enemies is that we don't fight,

00:08:53.120 we talk. All we do is talk. We're all about dialogue. Charlie was all about dialogue.

00:08:58.880 And that, I feel, misrepresents his work. And when you are in our position and the truth is the only

00:09:08.140 advantage you have, failing to completely tell the truth is always a strategic error.

00:09:14.640 Because Charlie was, yes, I think he hoped to persuade every single person he talked to. He

00:09:24.420 wanted to come to a peaceful accord with everyone. He wanted to untangle the knot for people and help

00:09:31.760 them see. But he was also one of the most effective political organizers of our generation. And he didn't

00:09:38.820 get that way by waiting for 100% consensus. He didn't get that way by expecting or needing

00:09:47.480 to convince absolutely everyone. He wanted to get Trump elected. He wanted to get mass deportations.

00:09:57.100 He wanted to get all these things that are still hotly, hotly contested. Because I think Charlie also

00:10:05.380 recognized that many of these questions are irreducible, irreconcilable. We just have to win.

00:10:11.900 And I think that his assassination is showing us the extent to which, because he did, he framed

00:10:20.540 every single one of these issues in the most sympathetic and the most universalizable way you

00:10:26.640 possibly could. He was extending as much of an olive branch as you could possibly extend to people who

00:10:35.040 have these beliefs about trans ideation, trans ideology, without compromising on the fundamental

00:10:42.940 question, which is, this is not a real thing. And so he came up to the limits of dialogue.

00:10:52.760 And, and he found those limits. And that's, that's sort of where we are. We are at the limit of dialogue.

00:10:59.320 No, I think it's really important because as you said, a lot of people are framing this

00:11:04.360 as well, Charlie Kirk, you know, he only believed in free speech and he never believed in political

00:11:11.340 power or, you know, it was all about the marketplace of ideas. But actually, if you look at Charlie Kirk,

00:11:16.220 that's not the case. As you say, he was pushing some on some third rails in the United States that

00:11:24.200 were probably not just going to get solved by talking it out. I mean, this is a guy who literally

00:11:29.460 was on Doug Wilson's podcast like a week before he was shot talking about how the Civil Rights Act has

00:11:35.880 to go. Yeah, that's not, it's not exactly squishy, middle of the road, Mitt Romney rhetoric, you know,

00:11:43.140 all immigration, he said, legal and illegal needs to be stopped. Yeah, these are not, these are not

00:11:48.580 positions that were acceptable to be spoken out loud 10 years ago in the Republican Party.

00:11:56.500 And Charlie Kirk made it clear in one of his very last posts on Twitter, that the left needed to be

00:12:03.960 shut down, that it's assassination culture, that it's violence culture was an imminent threat to the

00:12:10.420 people of the United States. So we don't have to guess about what Charlie Kirk would think about the plan

00:12:15.460 to silence the people who are currently cheering for his death. I don't think we have to guess

00:12:21.200 what Charlie Kirk believed about shutting down Antifa, shutting down BLM, shutting down the NGOs

00:12:27.100 that are funding them. We do not have to guess about what he thought about this. What would his

00:12:32.360 ideology tell him to do? What would his beliefs and principles lead him to? What would be the conclusion

00:12:37.000 that he would draw? He told us, and his conclusion was, the left needs to be shut down, that these

00:12:43.580 terrorists need to be shut down, that these people need to be removed from polite society and their

00:12:48.120 ability to inflict violence on the body politic needs to end. And so I think that's a great point

00:12:54.800 that while I will continue to say that his manner, his way of going about persuasion and interacting

00:13:03.860 with other people was far gentler and far more compassionate and far more in the spirit of debate

00:13:12.040 and trying to convince people with words, Charlie was aware that there were limits to these strategies.

00:13:19.280 And while he was pushing as hard as he could to resolve these issues in the manner that he thought

00:13:23.520 was best, he was not unaware and in fact had explicitly told people on his Twitter account that

00:13:30.860 this was not going to be the only way that we had to deal with this problem.

00:13:34.220 Yeah. And the reason that you want to be maximally persuasive and to generate maximal consensus,

00:13:42.960 you do actually. And the reason that you want that is so that the implementation of the changes that

00:13:51.360 need to be made, you're not going to wait for a hundred percent consensus, but they can be orderly,

00:13:56.400 they can be broadly understood, they can be legal and lawful, and they can be, you know, performed by the

00:14:02.360 legitimate authorities, which means that they can be so, so, so much more peaceful in the broad sense.

00:14:10.220 They will involve coercion, right? They will involve people being made to do things they don't want to

00:14:15.860 do, like stop talking about murdering people, stop planning to murder people. Those people have to be

00:14:23.480 stopped with force, but you can, you can get maximum consensus. So that is done in an orderly and illegal

00:14:33.380 and a lawful way, which is what we are all hoping and praying comes out of this from the Trump

00:14:39.080 administration, which is the will to make sure that all of this necessary work of, of, of, of putting

00:14:48.740 these things down, uh, can be done under color of law. And in a way that the, the, the body politic will

00:14:56.600 accept.

00:14:57.980 And I really think that's the free, the, the critical phrase there under the color of law, right? That we are the

00:15:04.560 side of order. We are the side of authority and hierarchy. And that means that we have a certain

00:15:11.540 understanding about how we should go about this. It doesn't mean it shouldn't happen, but it needs to happen in a

00:15:17.260 certain order so that people will accept its legitimacy. And that is the critical part here.

00:15:22.920 And the worry was that that would not happen, right? That was the largest worry is what happens

00:15:28.000 if the civil magistrate does not recognize his duty to bring swift justice in this moment and the scope

00:15:35.520 at which just justice must, must be rendered, right? That is why I have from the moment I heard about

00:15:41.440 this been advocating for a full send destruction of the leftist terror network at every level,

00:15:48.600 but always under the color of law. The spiral of violence is something that I think is going to be

00:15:55.860 completely devastating if it occurs. And the best way to avoid that is with a powerful response from

00:16:03.020 the legitimate governing authority. So that said, we're going to get to the videos of Stephen Miller

00:16:09.400 and J.D. Vance talking about how that needs to occur and how that will be done. But before we do,

00:16:16.260 I wanted to talk about, of course, the trans issue. So we knew that anti-fascist ideology,

00:16:23.580 Antifa ideology, was part of the motivation here. This was obviously scrawled on the bullets of this

00:16:30.000 guy. He's wearing DSA t-shirts, member of the Democratic Socialist Party, or at least supporting the

00:16:36.040 Democratic Socialist Party. This is a guy who was very obviously active in radical left-wing discord

00:16:42.900 groups. And we had a feeling that it was likely linked to trans ideology because Charlie Kirk had

00:16:50.240 been so loud about that issue. And literally while he was being shot, he was discussing the issue of

00:16:57.180 the dangers that came with trans people owning firearms, being allowed to operate in society,

00:17:03.480 allowing this ideology to continue. But now we know that in fact, the alleged assassin was living

00:17:10.720 with a troon and that that was very likely a big part of why he was motivated to do what he was doing.

00:17:22.780 Now, I made a post on Twitter about the concept of Tranniseries. You and I are very online,

00:17:28.420 so we know this terminology. I didn't coin this, but it bops around in certain circles.

00:17:34.720 And the explanation of the Tranniserie is the idea that this is the new age Democratic left-wing

00:17:40.620 Janissary. For those who don't know, this is what the Safavids did to Christian children. They drafted

00:17:47.860 them. Basically, first they were stolen. Some parents would surrender them thinking that it would give

00:17:52.800 them some kind of social benefit, if that sounds familiar, trans ideology for you. But a lot of

00:17:58.480 them had their Christian children stolen and forcibly converted to Christianity down to the actual

00:18:05.140 castration of these boys to make sure that they could not have children and would only be loyal

00:18:13.520 to this ideology. And they became the elite soldiers of that Islamic caliphate. And so in many ways,

00:18:21.340 the trans ideology does the same thing. It drives children away from their parents. Some parents

00:18:28.560 will offer their children up as sacrifices to this ideology to receive the political benefits. But

00:18:36.020 many of them have their children stolen by the courts or just by this ideology. Obviously,

00:18:40.880 the children, their goal is to castrate themselves. They give themselves over completely this ideology,

00:18:46.620 and they have to, in order to validate this identity, live in a fantasy world. And a fantasy

00:18:51.620 world is built entirely on hatred for other people. They need to kill Republicans. They need to kill

00:18:58.700 conservatives because those people are coming for this new identity that defines their life. And so

00:19:05.240 these people become the foot soldiers of the Democratic Party. And make no mistake, it is the Democratic

00:19:11.440 Party they are a part of. They are the violent terrorist arm of the Democratic Party, and they

00:19:16.420 are being bred on purpose for the reason of deploying them on the enemies of the left.

00:19:23.640 And so I think it's just really critical that people understand that, yes, we need to go after all

00:19:29.140 these other networks and everything, but also at the core of this problem is an ideology that is

00:19:34.220 destroying the children of this country and has to come to an end. So it means we need to not just get rid

00:19:40.360 of the funding and all this stuff. We need to ban trans surgery, or I should just say,

00:19:45.800 transmutilation should be illegal across the United States. We can make a constitutional amendment

00:19:51.600 if we need to avoid any kind of legal restrictions or whatever, but this needs to happen, and it needs

00:19:57.440 to happen now. Yeah, the commonality that I see, and there was some question about, was it an older

00:20:07.400 fellow? Was it a trans person? We were a little bit surprised that it was a chaser. It wasn't

00:20:12.720 somebody who was actually trans themselves currently. But the commonality I see is that

00:20:19.820 the radicalized trans shooters and the radicalized, like the guy with the dyed hair who tried to shoot

00:20:28.140 at Trump, a lot of these people are people who have made irreversible decisions in the light of this

00:20:40.360 ideology, whether it's about mutilating themselves, mutilating a child, or just sort of getting to the

00:20:47.880 end of the road of the progressive life path. And the only way that they can confront

00:20:59.640 the horror of that is to sort of change what it means in retrospect. And that means that

00:21:11.580 in a way, the upsetting of the consensus on trans issues, or the sort of relitigating of the liberal

00:21:23.140 boomer hippie, you know, worldview, relitigating that sort of destroys the whole meaning that they

00:21:33.880 ascribe to their life, their sense that they were on the right side of history. And for the trans in

00:21:40.400 particular, it's not only that, it's, it's, it's that they've, they've, yes, they've made these

00:21:44.700 irreversible, you can hear about trans moms, and just the bloodthirst from these people about

00:21:50.680 this issue with respect to JK Rowling, or any of these other sort of outspoken anti trans activists.

00:21:57.400 It's because they can't confront what they've done. There's no confronting what they've done.

00:22:02.280 And in this case, you know, you can look at

00:22:07.940 what needs to happen to a kid who, you know, for whatever reason, tells their parents, you know,

00:22:18.720 I think I'm a girl. And it's like, either, like, if they're right, then failing to medically intervene

00:22:29.160 is to consign this innocent child to a lifetime of alienation and suffering. Right? And if they're

00:22:39.000 wrong, then obviously, to mutilate this child is this unbelievable crime. And it's similarly

00:22:44.060 existential and irreversible. And this is, and now this gets to this question of dialogue,

00:22:52.260 what is there to talk about, with respect to this issue? It does not have any clinical etiology

00:23:00.760 that you can point to, it doesn't have symptoms, where you can say, that's what you know, we can

00:23:06.640 we can confirm, or more importantly, disconfirm trans ideation based on, you know, they don't act like a

00:23:14.040 woman, or they don't dress a certain way, or like, like, queer theory requires them to reject all of

00:23:19.300 that. It's this completely invisible thing. And you can either believe that it's invisible, but real

00:23:25.840 or invisible, but fake. And so there's no, there's no factual debate to be had. And I want to contrast

00:23:33.760 this idea of dialogue, that is propounded by, you know, Charlie Kirk, which was much more about like,

00:23:41.700 let's, let's prove that this is not accurate. Like, he did that he and you know, Matt Walsh does

00:23:48.220 something similar with what's a woman, like he just dead to rights laid it out like that there is

00:23:52.960 no, there's nothing here to argue about. There's no factual basis for this. You can't even argue

00:23:59.300 about it without talking in circles. And that was good work and important work. But that's not going

00:24:05.760 to convince these people. Right? It's on the level of, you know, we have to sacrifice our children

00:24:12.540 to the sun or the sun won't rise like the Aztecs. And if you've got, you know, I read a 2022 Pew

00:24:18.920 research survey, it was like 38% of people claim to believe that, you know, your, your gender could,

00:24:26.000 could not reflect your, uh, your, uh, assignation at birth of your sex. And it's like, if you've got

00:24:32.460 that many people who believe the equivalent of like, yeah, we have a moral duty to castrate children.

00:24:38.040 Like there's no modus vivendi. There's no way of, of compromising and living together

00:24:42.580 on that basis. And that's, that's what, what so many people find troubling about, like, for instance,

00:24:47.840 uh, governor Spencer Cox's comments from Utah about these issues. It's like, he's, he's looking

00:24:54.340 for a compromise, but the only way that you can like, how, how could you possibly compromise

00:24:59.140 on this and say like, well, you know, some people can castrate their kids if they have this specific

00:25:03.880 weird belief system, but you know, you'd have to essentially like abolish the whole concept of

00:25:09.780 child abuse. There's nothing else you could do to a kid that's more damaging. Right. And so it's

00:25:14.600 like, it's like, you, you, you can't argue on the facts. You can't come to some negotiated settlement.

00:25:21.900 And so to bring it back to this, like, you know, blood for the sun, God thing, it's like,

00:25:26.960 you just have to defeat these people. You have to stop them. And then they have to see that the sun

00:25:32.660 still comes up when we stop killing kids. And that like, that's the only, like, that's the way

00:25:38.500 to make peace. That's the only way it can happen. I think that's exactly correct. And I think, uh,

00:25:45.620 JD Vance agreed with you today. He was hosting the Charlie Kirk show, a very moving, uh, moment given

00:25:53.680 how close he was to Charlie Kirk and what an incredible difficulty it is to fill that chair in a

00:25:59.300 moment like this. Uh, but he said, uh, something that I think shuts down this both sides, find a

00:26:06.440 compromise thing that we're hearing from Spencer Cox and, and many others in this moment, uh, this,

00:26:12.580 oh, well, you know, we really need to come together. And JD Vance said, no, actually there is no coming

00:26:17.280 together until justice is done. There are positions we cannot allow in our society. There is no conversation

00:26:24.560 with them. There is no discussion with them. There is only the destruction and defeat of them. Uh, so

00:26:30.080 let me play that real quick. These people violent. I hope not, but are they guilty of encouraging

00:26:35.840 violence? You damn well better believe it. We can thank God that most Democrats don't share these

00:26:42.000 attitudes. And I do while acknowledging that something has gone very wrong with a lunatic fringe,

00:26:49.740 a minority, but a growing and powerful minority on the far left. There is no unity with people who

00:26:58.780 scream at children over their parents politics. There is no unity with someone who lies about what

00:27:04.460 Charlie Kirk said in order to excuse his murder. There was no unity with someone who harasses an

00:27:10.380 innocent family. The day after the father of that family lost a dear friend, there is no unity

00:27:16.620 with the people who celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination. And there is no unity with the

00:27:22.140 people who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers, who argue that

00:27:28.460 Charlie Kirk, a loving husband and father deserved a shot to the neck because he spoke words with which

00:27:36.460 they disagree. Are these people violent? So again, JD Vance, just laying out here for all

00:27:43.500 the squishy Republicans calling for peace and unity that no, in fact, that is not the solution

00:27:49.100 to this problem, that there is a line you cannot cross. And after that line is crossed, discussion

00:27:55.340 is over and we need to fix this problem, which is, like you said, very important because so many,

00:28:02.140 it's incredible no matter how much violence is done in the United States. Look, I know you said this

00:28:08.460 many times and it's a great, uh, it's a great analogy. The GOP or Indian agents, you know, for,

00:28:13.180 for red America, for conservatives, their, their entire purpose is to mislead, uh, conservatives into

00:28:19.180 believing they have political representation when they don't. And so for so long, you know, you and I and

00:28:25.580 everyone involved in the right has just been, you know, completely incensed and had their eyes rolled to

00:28:30.860 the back of their head when it came to any GOP representative talking because they were all cowards and they were all

00:28:37.020 liars and they were all soulless and they were all just complete scum. And we're seeing that with so many of

00:28:42.700 them yet again, you know, today, guys like Cox, but many others running to the microphone to say, oh, well,

00:28:48.700 you know, one more time, if I could just sell my constituents down the river one more time so that what doctors

00:28:55.740 can can mutilate just a few more kids. Like these people are absolutely soulless scum. So many of them.

00:29:01.740 However, it is good to see that finally we have a few guys who know at the very least where we're at.

00:29:10.060 Maybe they're not going to do everything that we think should be done, but at the very least,

00:29:13.900 they are willing to say what needs to be said and address the problem. And I think that's just

00:29:18.620 really critical, uh, because, uh, at this moment, again, without, without justice from the civil

00:29:26.540 magistrate, violent retaliation will come and you can't really blame them when there is no political

00:29:33.020 solution. You need to provide political solutions. The job right now of the GOP is to provide that

00:29:38.380 there is a real political solution to this problem, because if, if there isn't, then we will be looking

00:29:44.220 for not political solutions. And so I think it's critical in this moment that guys like JD Vance

00:29:49.180 recognize the rhetoric is not about lowering the temperature. The rhetoric is about ending this

00:29:55.500 terrorism once and for all. Absolutely. I never thought that we would hear

00:30:02.060 the kind of talk that we just heard from JD Vance, uh, in my lifetime. I, I don't think I could love

00:30:08.220 that guy anymore. Um, and it's, it's, uh, and, and, you know, it is awful that it had to come to this.

00:30:22.140 Um, but it seems clear that, that, that, you know, Trump takes this personally, JD Vance takes this

00:30:30.780 personal and hopefully that, uh, hopefully that generates change. Um, I, I think, go ahead.

00:30:39.340 No, no, no. By all means, please continue. Well, I just, I, I think that you're, you're absolutely

00:30:43.820 right that, that it, it, it is not about, um, the choice is not between political conflict and

00:30:55.660 political comedy at this point. The choice is between, uh, disorganized amateurish hideous political

00:31:06.780 conflict and orderly lawful. The, the people who have the power to make change here have such an

00:31:22.140 opportunity. They have such an opportunity to, to correct this in a way that, I mean, like the, the,

00:31:30.620 the, the tools that we have at our disposal, um, that have, you know, that have been just used against

00:31:38.140 the right for, for making jokes online for the last, you know, 15, 20 years. Um, those tools can solve

00:31:46.460 this problem in a very peaceful, gentle way, uh, certainly relative to the alternatives.

00:31:56.140 Yeah. Um, but, and it's, and it's, you know, I, I don't think actually, I actually don't believe

00:32:00.940 that, um, what's going to happen is that, you know, they're going to have their schizo shooters

00:32:11.180 and, you know, we're going to get our own schizo shooters. I think, I think the right,

00:32:17.340 you've looked at the, the, the trajectory over the last decades, we've never identified, you know,

00:32:22.740 because there've been, there've been, you know, uh, uh, left-wing political candidates, left-wing,

00:32:26.220 you know, uh, public figures, um, who have been targeted for violence and you've never seen it.

00:32:31.980 There is no equivalence. You have never seen, um, just the mass of one,

00:32:41.020 one political faction celebrate the way that, you know, and, and I'm not going to say that, like,

00:32:47.340 every time these things happen, that we all, you know, banded together with this maudlin,

00:32:52.460 you know, contrition, and we're so sorry for saying these things that led to this violence.

00:32:56.380 We don't feel any connection to it because these, these are insane people. Um, and, and they had an

00:33:03.340 opportunity, I think, uh, to, to, to do the same, you know, they didn't have to love Charlie Kirk.

00:33:11.020 But, but this, this celebration of his murder was, was just beyond the pale and, and to, to think that

00:33:16.700 it was, you know, you, you could have prior to this been like, you know, there's some crazies.

00:33:25.100 There's always crazy. Right. And that's what they tried to say. Um, but they tell on themselves,

00:33:31.340 they tell on themselves, they, they identify, and maybe they don't identify with like the specific,

00:33:36.780 particular, weird thing that all these people are about, but they identify with the violence.

00:33:43.020 The violence is good. We want the violence. And, and the reason I don't think that we're going to see

00:33:48.140 that on the right is that that only serves the faction of entropy. It only serves the faction of

00:33:59.020 chaos. There, there, we don't have that, that nihilistic self-destructive spiteful streak in us.

00:34:09.500 And, uh, and, and you can see that in terms of like the, the, the people who, who they always

00:34:17.340 bring up as like, well, these are the people that it's comparable to. They're not, they're people that

00:34:21.020 most of us had never heard of. They're not like some big, you know, antagonist to our politics,

00:34:25.580 the way Charlie Kirk was. It's, it's, it's, it's nobodies. It's people who are often very

00:34:29.660 like telegenic and innocent and did nothing wrong. And it's like, yeah, no, of course we don't

00:34:33.740 identify with that. Why would we have anything to do with that? And that, and I think it's,

00:34:37.340 I just think it's critical to point out that it's not tit for tat. It's not morally equivalent.

00:34:45.100 We are not the same and the same tactics are not going to be used.

00:34:49.740 Yeah. It's funny because of course, you know, that the left needs to both sides, this thing,

00:34:54.380 right? Like that's the, the first move is to, oh, well, it's both sides doing this,

00:34:58.220 both sides doing this. And I've, I've seen them try to bring up, oh, well, Paul Pelosi

00:35:02.940 was attacked by who, by a radical Republican. No, Josh Shapiro was attacked by who? Oh,

00:35:10.380 by a leftist terrorist. Actually, you know, right. Melissa Hortman was killed. Okay. By a Tim Wall's

00:35:16.220 appointee, right? Like every one of these people that they're listing, oh, Democrats are taking,

00:35:21.260 you know, there's violence being done to them too. Yes. By other Democrats, the most dangerous

00:35:27.260 thing in America to a democratic politician is a democratic radical terrorist, right? Like that,

00:35:33.420 that's all of the, now, of course there has been right wing, you know, there, there are actual

00:35:38.460 examples of right wingers out there, but like you said, no one is jumping behind any of these people.

00:35:42.940 No one is celebrating any of this stuff. Like I didn't see a lot of people coming out and saying,

00:35:47.020 well, you know, Gabby, you know, Gabby Gifford, you know, I didn't agree with her on everything.

00:35:51.980 And she really set the tone and we, you know, you shouldn't have shot her, but really at the end of

00:35:56.380 the day, like, no, it was just like, no, this is terrible. And of course you shouldn't do this.

00:36:00.540 And I don't need to give you a list of all the, you know, 14 reasons why I shouldn't have done this,

00:36:06.140 but I finally give you the one where I say, oh, well, okay, but it's bad. Like you just know,

00:36:10.300 it's just bad. And that, that should be very simple. That condemnation should be very simple.

00:36:15.260 And you can tell how the left is just incredibly, uh, not they, they're, they don't,

00:36:21.660 they don't feel bad about this at all. You look at some of the streamers like Hassan Piker and

00:36:26.700 destiny, and they're literally on their streams out there calling for the murder of Republicans.

00:36:31.500 Even now, even now destiny is live on his stream. No hesitation. These people don't expect any kind

00:36:38.700 of consequence. They don't expect to be fired. They don't expect to be debanked. They don't expect to

00:36:42.860 get deplatformed. They don't expect to get canceled. They don't expect to be harassed.

00:36:47.020 None of it. None of it. They think they can get on there and literally openly call for the murder

00:36:52.460 of their political opponents right after an assassination without any consequence. And,

00:36:58.860 and it's not just the guys who are calling for the open violence. You look at someone like crystal ball,

00:37:03.260 who's just a terrible human being, just a terrible human being goes out and says how, you know,

00:37:07.900 her first response. Okay. Killing Charlie Kirk is bad, but right. Like immediately just the but,

00:37:14.300 but you know, the, the thing that really matters is conservatives are scary. They're doing cancel

00:37:18.700 culture. So it's not the murder of the guy. It's not, it's not the children who had to watch their

00:37:23.820 father get blown away in front of them. The, the, the real travesty is that some screeching blue haired

00:37:30.620 woman on, on Tik TOK might lose her job caring for children after cackling about the murder of a,

00:37:38.060 her political opponent. Like that's the real travesty, but you can literally find like 20 tweets

00:37:44.460 and several interviews where crystal ball says exactly the same thing about Republicans. They

00:37:49.260 should be beaten in the streets. They should be, they should be canceled. They should be fired. They

00:37:53.340 should be debanked. They should, you know, so the don't, you know, there are, there are Democrats.

00:37:58.940 There are people who consider themselves on the left that do really decry this, that don't support

00:38:03.820 it. I don't want to pretend like this is every single person on the left, right? But don't make

00:38:08.460 a mistake. The activist class, the leaders, the people, the, the, the media members, they might give

00:38:14.060 you 10 seconds of, Ooh, don't do this for now. Cause we don't want any consequences for what we've

00:38:19.500 been pushing for a decade. But let me tell you, every one of those people, they don't mean it for a

00:38:24.540 second. Like they are, they're on board with this and they will be pushing it the minute they think

00:38:28.460 they can. Absolutely. Absolutely. And you know, they've been doing it since, I mean, since Nixon,

00:38:34.460 basically, which is, which is our enemies are Nazis. Anything you do to a Nazi is morally permissible,

00:38:43.820 but, but we deplore violence against our political enemies. And it's just, it's completely hypocritical.

00:38:48.540 They are explicit. And, and, you know, the best you can say, the best argument you can make

00:38:54.220 in their defense is that they're unserious about it. And they go, yeah, they're not really Nazis,

00:39:02.380 but it's all in the game. And it's for, it's for getting suburban white women to come out and vote,

00:39:06.540 but they've seen over and over and over again, how people are connecting those dots.

00:39:14.300 Like they're not hard dots to connect. These are Nazis. Anything is permissible against the Nazi.

00:39:21.340 Therefore, and you know, they're counting on people who, you know, don't have as much to lose

00:39:27.660 and don't have as, as firm a grip on reality. Um, and, and, you know, if, if, if they condemned it

00:39:35.180 after the fact, even then you could say, well, maybe they, you know, it's just, it's just kayfabe.

00:39:41.080 They're just trying to drum up votes. They don't mean it, but then, but then when a schizo goes out

00:39:45.720 and does it, they go, great. That was awesome. We love that. The, the, the idea that the dots aren't

00:39:52.040 meant to be connected, that it's all just rhetoric, that it's all kayfabe. It's just professional

00:39:56.520 wrestling there for the, for the rubes to get them. No, obviously not. You're exactly right. Like

00:40:01.880 the, the, the, the, this is, you cannot let them get away with this. You cannot let them get away

00:40:06.920 with, Oh, well, we're just doing this for the, no, these people are ordering deaths. They're

00:40:11.800 ordering deaths and they know it. And then that that's the, the, the word fascist, the, the

00:40:17.100 application of the word fascist, the charge of Nazism or fascism has to become akin to openly calling

00:40:24.200 for the lynching of a black person. It has to carry that level of stigma. It has to destroy

00:40:30.200 your reputation, destroy your employability. You can't be touched by a bank. Like it needs to carry

00:40:37.420 that level of social sanction because in the United States and the wider Western world, Hitler

00:40:42.480 and the Nazis have become the secular equivalent of Satan and demons. And you don't make deals with

00:40:49.000 Satan. You slay demons. Like that's it. These people that when the left calls conservatives ontologically

00:40:55.700 evil, they don't know what that means, but that is what it means, right? Like that is what they

00:40:59.780 actually mean is that you are incapable of being a good person. You are inhuman. And by definition,

00:41:07.420 the enemies of humanity must be slain by the pro humans. Ironically, this was Carl Schmitt's point,

00:41:13.900 right? Like, like that, that using that, that he who uses the term, uh, uh, humanity is cheating.

00:41:20.080 They are trying to make everyone believe that everything they do is righteous because they stand

00:41:25.200 for humanity and you do not. And you are the enemy of humanity and anything done

00:41:29.320 by you is therefore evil and is justifiable to do anything to you to make it stop. That is

00:41:35.940 the mentality. And that has to end. And, and Steven Miller here, I'll play the clip from Steven

00:41:40.980 Miller real quick. He says the Trump administration is not screwing around on this one, which I was

00:41:45.100 very heartened to see. This is, you know, he's on Charlie Kirk show. He's talking to the vice

00:41:49.780 president. This is a policy announcement, right? This is as good as a press conference where he

00:41:54.580 announces this strategy. Let's play this real quick, which is that we need to have an organized

00:41:59.120 strategy to go after the left wing organizations that are promoting violence in this country. And

00:42:04.240 I will write those words onto my heart and I will carry them out. If people ask me, you know,

00:42:10.240 what emotions I'm feeling right now, this is something people say, I mean, you kind of know

00:42:13.120 the answer. There's incredible sadness, but there's incredible anger. And the thing about anger is

00:42:20.200 that unfocused anger or blind rage is not a productive emotion. But focused anger, righteous

00:42:26.580 anger directed for a just cause is one of the most important agents of change in human history.

00:42:31.660 And we are going to channel all of the anger that we have over the organized campaign that led to this

00:42:41.560 assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks. So let me explain a little

00:42:45.700 bit what that means. So I've got 30 seconds to be quick, Steven, the organized doxing campaigns,

00:42:52.300 the organized riots, the organized street violence, the organized campaigns of dehumanization,

00:42:57.700 vilification, posting people's addresses, combining that with messaging that's designed to trigger

00:43:02.800 inside violence and the actual organized cells that carry out and facilitate the violence. It is a vast

00:43:07.960 domestic terror movement. And with God as my witness, we are going to use every resource we

00:43:13.060 have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security, and throughout this government to identify,

00:43:17.440 disrupt, dismantle, and destroy these networks and make America safe again for the American people.

00:43:21.940 It will happen. And we will do it in Charlie's name. Thank you, Steven.

00:43:25.000 So Steven Miller here, that was, they cut off a little bit at the beginning. He's responding to

00:43:30.640 Charlie Kirk's posts, some of the last posts that he had on Twitter, the ones we mentioned,

00:43:34.360 where he said, Hey, uh, you know, the, the left wing is getting violent. They are creating these

00:43:39.580 networks. We need to shut down these NGOs. We need to shut down this wider network. And he says,

00:43:43.780 we are going after all these people. We're going after the Antifa networks, the BLM cells. We're going

00:43:49.460 after the actual groups themselves and the people who are organizing them, but we're not just stopping

00:43:53.900 there. We're going after the NGOs. We're going after the funders. We are chasing down every single

00:43:59.560 lead we can on this. Now, obviously we're going to have to see how this develops and we'll

00:44:04.180 continue to support this and demand it and call it out if it's not done. But this is exactly the

00:44:09.980 kind of language that we needed to hear. I was afraid we weren't going to hear it. And I am

00:44:14.100 relieved to hear that we have, this is exactly what we needed to hear. Again, the administration

00:44:18.780 has made good on this. It's not just enough promise you have to deliver. But that said,

00:44:23.160 at this point, this is as much as the administration can do rhetorically. I mean, this is, this is what

00:44:28.860 every one of us wanted them to say. We're not just going, we're not just going after the criminal,

00:44:33.620 not just a few people who happen to be involved. We're going after all of it, the organizations,

00:44:39.180 the cells, the connections, the money, every aspect of this, we are going to take it down.

00:44:45.220 You know, JD Vance comes in and says, we're not no unity with these people. There's no peace without

00:44:49.640 justice. We need to see this end. You know, we're, we're, we are only going to be able to work with

00:44:54.860 these people after they have completely renounced these ideologies. And so this is, this is strong

00:45:00.420 rhetoric from the Trump administration. This is exactly what we wanted to see. And then we want

00:45:04.360 to see it executed, obviously. Yeah. I mean, these, these, this Mike Cernovich made a really good

00:45:11.940 point, which is that whoever the killer is, it doesn't matter. They're a patsy. Like they are,

00:45:17.800 they are part of an apparatus that, that justified and facilitated and, and, and sheltered and endorsed

00:45:27.200 and subsidized these people and the people they work with and the people they learn from for as long

00:45:34.180 as you and I've been alive. And, uh, to, to, yeah, to just target the like dozen weirdos in his group chat,

00:45:45.580 uh, uh, is nowhere near enough to address this problem. Not even close, not even close. The people

00:45:53.760 who are responsible for this ultimately are the organized political left and the billionaires who

00:46:01.220 fund them. That's where it comes from. Uh, they, the one, uh, the one opportunity we have that I think

00:46:09.960 will close if we don't act fast is that all of these people have such expectation of impunity

00:46:21.660 that they have been communicating openly about all of these intentions and all of like everything that

00:46:31.700 we've been talking about all this time. They've been communicating openly about it in public,

00:46:36.740 let alone in private. I mean, for since forever and, uh, assuming that we act vigorously to stop

00:46:46.820 this, they're going to stop doing that. They're going to go underground. And so, uh, you know,

00:46:52.140 I, I said last night, like we have to, we have to act against as much of this as we can possibly

00:46:57.180 catch while it's still out in the open because they're going to scurry, you know? And so, uh,

00:47:02.580 yeah, it has, it has to be vigorous. It has to be aggressive. It has to be quick. And, uh, frankly,

00:47:08.700 I mean, it's going to be a test of the Trump administration's control over the intelligence

00:47:15.140 and law enforcement bureaucracy. And that may be sort of where the house cleaning has to start.

00:47:19.740 Yeah. You know, they need to take a very close look at, at, at, at who knew about this person

00:47:26.020 and when, uh, who knew about other individuals who, you know, like, like the assassin of, of,

00:47:33.940 uh, or the attempted assassin of Donald Trump, you know, it's, I, I said the other day, like,

00:47:38.620 it's shocking that like, we know more about each of the like 10,000 school teachers who shit talk

00:47:44.840 Charlie Kirk, uh, last weekend when we know about that kid and that like in his apartment being like

00:47:51.120 wiped to a white glove finish, uh, you know, the day after the assassination, like that's crazy.

00:47:57.720 Something's really rotten. And so, yeah, it, it, it, it is not just a handful of loonies and it's not

00:48:05.580 even just, you know, a sick system throwing around these memes and then, you know, a handful of crazies

00:48:15.820 happen to pick it up. That's a tempting framing as well, but no, there are people, there are people,

00:48:21.120 with, with, with names and bank accounts and addresses who are directly responsible. And I

00:48:26.080 hope the Trump administration holds them accountable. Absolutely. And if they don't,

00:48:30.480 then we will be holding them accountable. But for the moment, I want to say, this is the rhetoric that

00:48:35.600 we were hoping for. This is the approach we were hoping for. This is the strength that we were hoping

00:48:39.940 for. So I want to praise them when they're doing the right thing. And when we're seeing, uh, you know,

00:48:44.800 a preparation, at least for the action that we're hoping to see, if it doesn't follow,

00:48:48.440 then that will be its own problem. And we will address it as such then. But right now

00:48:52.720 that's where the Trump administration is at. Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk is very clearly

00:48:59.140 one of, if not the main reason that JD Vance is the vice president right now. I don't think this

00:49:04.840 one's coming off the radar guys. Like I don't, I don't, I don't think this one's coming off the

00:49:08.640 radar for them. So that said, Kevin, we have quite a few questions from the audience. Uh, before we

00:49:14.120 pivot over to the questions of the people, is there anything you want people to check out?

00:49:17.840 Now's a great time to be organizing. Uh, where should they be organizing?

00:49:21.820 Yeah. So I run, I run exit group, which is a fraternity for guys who are concerned about this

00:49:26.760 and other, uh, you know, values aligned issues. Uh, we did have a, a, an impromptu get together,

00:49:33.100 uh, the, the day of the shooting. We we've, uh, one of our guys hosted a, a vigil on the Capitol

00:49:38.480 steps in Salt Lake. We're going to be doing some other things, uh, in the near future that, uh,

00:49:42.520 if you want to learn more about that at blog.exitgroup.us, I'll be talking about those

00:49:46.360 things. Um, and yeah, I'm just encouraging everybody to, to get connected with, um,

00:49:52.380 everybody in exit to get connected with their local chapter, be around values aligned people

00:49:59.360 who are sane and responsible and can help you contextualize all this. It's, it's been a,

00:50:05.160 it's been an emotionally trying moment and being able to get together with guys and talk

00:50:11.540 and, uh, sort out things that, uh, are not wrong for you to say that, but would be unsafe for you

00:50:22.160 to say maybe around your family or around your, uh, your, your, your office, you know, find people

00:50:28.600 you can talk to. Cause I think it's, you know, and I, you know, I don't think anybody's going to do

00:50:31.900 anything bad, but just for your own wellbeing and for your own, uh, for your own peace, um, go to

00:50:38.240 church, talk, talk to your friends and, uh, you know, get your mind right on this.

00:50:42.960 Yeah. Jonathan Kieberman was on, uh, earlier and he said, you know, everyone is trooning out

00:50:47.640 politically in the sense that everyone is, is, uh, you know, pulling away from the real world.

00:50:53.520 They're, they're not engaging. They're not grounding themselves. And, uh, I think that's

00:50:58.340 critical right now. Uh, you know, exit is a great group. Of course, I'm always pitching the old

00:51:02.460 glory club as well. Just get yourself plugged in to these networks that are going to allow

00:51:07.820 you to talk with guys who are, who are values aligned, who have wisdom, who have roots in

00:51:14.280 community, who have families, who have faith in God, and are going to be able to walk you

00:51:18.940 through how to unpack this in real life. Not just being angry on Twitter, not just yelling

00:51:24.140 at people online or in discord or isolating yourself in a room somewhere like this guy did

00:51:29.820 when he was driven towards the violence that he had get in community. We're not telling

00:51:34.060 you, you know, uh, you know, don't be angry, but be with people who are going to help you

00:51:39.600 turn that anger into something that is going to benefit your community, change things, make

00:51:45.000 a difference. Don't just be angry, be angry in a direction that brings about positive change,

00:51:51.560 connects you with your community, brings you closer to God, like that turn that energy towards

00:51:57.420 these things, because that's the stuff that's going to allow you then to help when larger

00:52:02.420 political efforts need to be made across the country, uh, which might be coming with the

00:52:07.400 administration. So, uh, I, I can only second, uh, that advice. All right, guys, let's go to

00:52:12.720 the super chats here real quick. We've got, uh, Zolti here with just a very kind, uh, donation.

00:52:19.940 Thank you very much. Appreciate that. Very generous of you. Wild Speaker says,

00:52:23.320 put on the armor of God, vice president's orders. Yeah. Again, I am one of the things I am also

00:52:29.280 heartened by to be very clear. Uh, obviously GOP presidents will throw around, you know,

00:52:34.520 God, we believe in God, blah, blah, blah, blah. Charlie Kirk was delivering a hot gospel to the

00:52:41.760 people who needed it when he was at his events. Yes. So many times when he was talking, he was not

00:52:48.680 just answering the question. He was immediately following up with, and you need to trust in,

00:52:53.560 you know, the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior. He was constantly drawing people to God. And I think

00:52:59.020 that's inspiring many others, including vice president Vance to not just give the lip service

00:53:03.100 to one nation under God or God bless America, but to make clear and explicit calls for spiritual

00:53:08.820 renewal, joining of churches, the mending of families, salvation. These things are powerful

00:53:14.920 and they are part of the problem part. Yeah. Not just a part, a massive part of our issue is a

00:53:20.940 spiritual sickness. And I am very glad to see so many people now strongly speaking in favor of

00:53:26.540 fighting that as well. Can I weigh in on that real quick? Yeah. Yeah. By all means. People on the left

00:53:33.040 and increasingly on the right are going to tell you that Christianity is quietism and that, uh, and that

00:53:39.660 the, the, the, the, the gospel centered thing to do is to, you know, lay down and take it and, um,

00:53:46.920 go read the gospels, go read the words of Jesus, go, go read the way he dealt with people with whom

00:53:53.420 he disagreed. Um, and go model that.

00:54:00.240 Chan, the man says the Reddit sign up of the new motive is working. Shake my head. I mean,

00:54:05.160 I don't really know what that means. Are you talking about them blaming it on Nick Fuentes or something? I don't,

00:54:09.660 I don't know. I think it was like, uh, he's a, he's an irony accelerationist nihilist gamer who

00:54:16.300 played. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. They were banging, man. The Gropers hate Trump. And so he was

00:54:21.500 a Trump booster and that's why they took him out. Yeah. They, they were trying that honestly. So

00:54:25.400 here's, they did try that and it will work for a certain percentage of their people. Like they'll

00:54:29.380 just buy in. There's nothing you can do about that. But I did see like guys, even like Will Stancil

00:54:33.800 having to walk back like his attempts to, to, to push this. So I don't know, man. Like it,

00:54:39.520 it will look, there will always be a certain percentage of these people who will just parrot

00:54:43.560 that no matter what. But I, I don't know that this is capturing the larger, uh, man, you know,

00:54:49.800 popular imagination. Yeah. Uh, Randall shirker says, I'm still waiting for the discord logs.

00:54:57.520 Kirk was a victim of a conspiracy. It's only a matter of time until someone else gets hit by it. Yeah.

00:55:02.800 To be clear, a couple of things here. First, if it's feels like this hit is a conspiracy to be clear,

00:55:07.540 it is like, if things don't add up, if it seems like one guy couldn't have pulled this off alone,

00:55:12.020 he didn't. And we will find out more about that guys. The reason it looks like a conspiracy

00:55:16.320 is because it is, it's a criminal conspiracy to commit political terror. Like very clearly like

00:55:22.140 that. There's no question there also. And I, and thank you for bringing this up Randall. Cause I

00:55:25.920 forgot to say it when we were during the stream, discord is complicit in this. Okay. Discord bans a

00:55:32.920 hundred right wing group chats before breakfast. They monitor their platform relentlessly. Your dad

00:55:38.860 is not safe there. They, they, they know what you are saying and they ban right wingers all day,

00:55:44.860 every day over what they say in group chats. They know that leftist terrorists are organizing on

00:55:51.480 discord. They know, they know what they are saying and they allowed this assassination. Discord is now

00:55:58.420 criminally involved in the facilitation of the murder of Charlie Kirk. And they were people

00:56:04.080 involved should be severely, severely penalized. And they report to the intelligence agencies,

00:56:10.520 not just the U S intelligence agencies, the European intelligence agencies and others.

00:56:15.280 Um, people knew, or if, if they didn't directly knew they, they consciously and deliberately and

00:56:23.340 selectively turned off surveillance. That's the only explanation. Right. They, they, they know,

00:56:29.640 Hey, we are on these guys teams. So if they're planning to murder people better to have plausible

00:56:34.080 deniability, right? They're going to shut down every single right wing group chat and they're

00:56:38.040 going to allow every single left one. And oops, looks all that stuff. We were worried about the

00:56:42.160 right. Doing turns out the left was doing it because we were specifically allowing them to do it.

00:56:45.880 They know what they're doing. They know exactly what they're doing. That's the minimum level of

00:56:49.700 complicity that I think is right. Right. Right. Yeah. If we're, if we're giving them the best,

00:56:54.520 the best in most charitable interpretation, it's that they were intentionally cultivating an

00:56:58.700 environment where they knew leftists could plan a murder. That's the best outcome. I think it's

00:57:03.480 probably far worse, but that's, that's the best and most generous explanation. Randall again says,

00:57:08.900 also you can tell Charlie's views on various topics were evolving a shame. We won't get to see

00:57:13.460 where he'd go in five, 10 years time. Yeah. Again, many people have commented on this. We were

00:57:18.000 talking about this with Jonathan a few episodes ago, but obviously Charlie Kirk was a guy who was

00:57:23.980 hiding his power levels or not so much hiding his power levels, but a guy who was careful

00:57:27.400 about his communications, thoughtful about his rhetoric. I know this makes a lot of people angry

00:57:31.960 about Charlie Kirk. And I guess you could just be an adult, right? Like, I guess you could just,

00:57:37.100 you could just be an adult. And, and it's not about being the edgiest boy. It's about being the most

00:57:41.860 effective. And the reason they shot Charlie Kirk is he was effective and that can burn your soul. You can

00:57:47.100 get angry. You can get in all the group chats you want and yell, whatever, but guess what? Charlie

00:57:51.500 Kirk is far more effective than you. And that's why they shot him. So, uh, he, he only was getting

00:57:57.560 more wise and more right wing and more serious over time. He already was, but he was only getting more

00:58:03.260 of those things. And so, yeah, no, no surprise. Like I said, Charlie Kirk last few weeks had been,

00:58:09.140 I heavily questioned Israel's involvement in, you know, then these wars. And I really think that the,

00:58:15.080 you know, the, the civil rights act is a mistake. And I really think we need to end all immigration

00:58:19.060 legal and illegal. I like, this is, I need, we need to shut down all these left-wing networks.

00:58:23.920 We need to go after left-wing, uh, terror. Like, this is not a guy who did not know what was going

00:58:29.040 on. I'm sorry. That just doesn't make sense. And he, he, he was the best positioned. He was the

00:58:35.020 person in the highest, uh, sort of vantage had the most ability to affect change. And he was saying

00:58:42.820 things that, you know, all of us would say. And, and, uh, yeah, it's, it's, um, it's such a tragedy.

00:58:51.540 Tiny Rick says, I used to joke that Charlie Kirk was as left-wing as I got. The truth is he was the

00:58:57.160 best of us. Godspeed again. So many of us, you know, of course feel this way. Uh, you know, I've

00:59:02.500 always had a, my, my position on Charlie Kirk was always doing good work. We should say a little more,

00:59:07.300 or, you know, wouldn't blog, but what are you going to do? Right? Like, like everyone's going

00:59:12.580 to have, Oh, this guy didn't have my exact position on one thing or another, you know,

00:59:16.760 Sam Hyde said in his video, uh, you know, we, someone might've had a, a, a disagreement with

00:59:21.140 Charlie Kirk, but that's inside business, right? That's, that's inside business with that. That

00:59:25.160 is within our movement. This guy is a console of Rome, right? That's it. Yeah. That's all you

00:59:30.720 need to know at the end of the day. That's right.

00:59:35.680 Philosophical thirst worm says it shouldn't just be leftist. You wouldn't believe the scale of

00:59:44.380 Ukrainian refugees taking heads, cheering this on more Ryan Rouse coming probably. Yeah. I don't

00:59:50.220 really understand the Ukrainian angle. I've seen people make that assertion, honestly, from the

00:59:55.340 people saying it, it seemed like a lot of people who just had partisan, uh, feelings about the Ukrainian

01:00:00.100 war. Uh, I think this one is pretty obvious. The people who have been saying that,

01:00:05.680 Charlie Kirk needs to die for years and hating Charlie Kirk for the positions he was espousing

01:00:10.060 when it was shot, shot him. Like I get it again. It is a conspiracy guys. I'm not telling you it

01:00:15.420 isn't a conspiracy. It's absolutely a conspiracy. I just think it's a conspiracy of people who like,

01:00:21.060 you know, we're doing it because they believe what they've been saying for many years.

01:00:25.160 Yeah.

01:00:28.220 Manayud says, uh, Kirk was a good man. He was a God fearing American and, and this, I call him a brother.

01:00:34.640 The time is not for infighting. Uh, yeah, we are all Charlie and, and, you know, uh, I'll, I'll say

01:00:40.460 this. So I think it was a day or two ago. I saw somebody who has been very uncharitable to me

01:00:47.880 and has been yelling about the woke, right? And the dangers of the power and all this stuff.

01:00:52.280 And he was complaining that, uh, you know, what, look at how dangerous it is now for

01:00:59.040 conservatives. And of course he's right. But you know, the whole time guys like me and Kevin have

01:01:03.580 been saying, no, you need to understand what's coming. You need to know what time it is. You

01:01:07.040 need to understand that we need to, you know, uh, exercise power. And these people have been

01:01:11.420 attacking us as crazy and leftists for doing so. And I, you know, I snapped off a, you know,

01:01:17.000 oh, can we do something now? Is it okay now? Or is it left to left wing? And you know, everything

01:01:22.500 about that is true. Right. But I ended up deleting the tweet. And the reason I deleted the tweet is

01:01:27.500 very simple. This is not about minor beasts right now. This is not about, you know, one upping your

01:01:33.040 opponents and showing who was right or wrong. And I told you, Sue, I mean, yes, there are correct

01:01:38.260 arguments and I'm, I'm, I'm happy to make them and it's worth pointing them out. But I don't want

01:01:43.060 this to be a moment where we are using this to try to position ourselves. The important part right

01:01:50.740 now is that Charlie Kirk is dead and that his children do not have a father and his wife is

01:01:55.240 grieving him. Like that's what matters. And what matters is he died in the service of Christ in this

01:02:00.180 country. And that's what matters. And it doesn't mean that we don't have to shut up the squishes at

01:02:05.260 some point when things need to get done. But I don't, I really, you know, I don't want to be

01:02:10.920 responsible for using Charlie Kirk's death to like hash out some kind of internecine warfare

01:02:16.860 personally. So as long as you are on the side of making sure that justice comes for Charlie

01:02:22.900 Kirk, you're on my side right now. And that's all that matters.

01:02:26.720 Incredibly clarifying to see where people's guns are pointed right now.

01:02:31.300 Right.

01:02:34.700 All right here. Creeper Weirdo says the conspiracy theories around Kirk's assassination

01:02:38.880 irritate me. It's a bunch of distractions and waste of time, energy on stupid hyper fixation.

01:02:43.640 Yeah. Again, I am, I want to be clear. There is a conspiracy theory. If it feels, you know,

01:02:48.260 there is a conspiracy. If it feels like a conspiracy, it is a conspiracy. It was a conspiracy that was

01:02:52.600 funded by foreign actors. It was a conspiracy that where money was funneled through NGOs into this

01:02:58.260 country where people were radicalized with the intention of getting people murdered, where they

01:03:02.840 organized online in protected spaces meant to facilitate their radicalization.

01:03:07.920 And they worked together to generate this assassination. It is a conspiracy, but I just

01:03:13.780 don't think it's, I don't think it's Israel. I don't think it's Ukraine. I don't think it's

01:03:17.400 Qatar. Like, sorry guys. I don't like, I get it. Israel, Israel, whatever. Okay. Yeah. I don't like

01:03:23.280 a lot of what Israel does either, but also be a human being. Okay. Like just for, for 10 seconds,

01:03:29.220 maybe this isn't about you and your personal political hobby horse horse. And like the thing that

01:03:34.300 you've been trained, like a monkey to point to every time something goes wrong, maybe this time

01:03:38.680 it's just crazy leftists work together because they hate you and they want to kill you. And that's

01:03:43.700 the actual conspiracy involved.

01:03:49.060 Uh, let's see here. Randall says,

01:03:51.940 kaput jurat lupinum, uh, may his be a wolf's head. Uh, sorry, I'm not super familiar with that

01:03:58.780 reference, but appreciate the super chat. Uh, super Joe's midlife crisis says, will nationalization

01:04:05.000 of academia work? David should be a suggestion of this on Charlie Kirk stream. And I've been

01:04:08.980 pondering the effectiveness of this idea. I mean, we just need to dismantle the universities and guess

01:04:12.980 who said that Charlie Kirk, like Charlie Kirk said straight up, but he spends all of his time

01:04:18.560 on university campuses. And in his, uh, interview with Doug Wilson, one of his last ones, he said,

01:04:24.120 yeah, we, they can't be saved. We have to dismantle the, the entire network piece by piece,

01:04:29.140 the entire network of academia has to go. There's no, you know, these are, these are personnel

01:04:36.640 problems. These are not policy problems. You can't tell people who went to leftist, you know,

01:04:45.760 grade schools and then leftist colleges and then got hired by a leftist HR manager and who have been

01:04:51.800 leftists in their positions the whole time. Hey, you, you're not allowed to say the word gay.

01:04:57.660 Like those, they, they're not going to listen to you. They don't, they don't value your authority.

01:05:04.740 They don't think it's legitimate. And, uh, their, their attitude toward, toward what needs to happen

01:05:11.080 for these kids, um, you know, agree or disagree is sincerely felt. And they don't, that's more important

01:05:18.140 to them than, you know, whatever toothless penalty you ascribe to that. And they'll find another way

01:05:24.040 to find a loophole. You have to, yeah, it's, I mean, it's, it's essentially the level of change

01:05:32.960 that happened in Germany in 1946 or, or, or Japan. Like you, you have to completely root these people

01:05:40.780 out and, uh, and give them other things to do because it's, it's, it, you, you, you cannot

01:05:46.780 tolerate people who hold it. It's not, it's not, you know, expressions or shibboleths or articulations

01:05:53.380 of the ideology. You can't tolerate the people who hold those ideologies being in positions of

01:05:58.900 responsibility. Yeah. There's a, you know, uh, many people have, as you, you referenced there,

01:06:04.560 the, the de-Nazification of Germany or Japan post-World War II, you need to run that program

01:06:10.000 in reverse on the left, right? Like that, that has to be what happens here. If you want to,

01:06:15.420 uh, unseat this ideology and people have to simply get, you know, understand that's where

01:06:21.520 you're at. Their, their half measures will not get you there. Uh, thirstworm says JD and Miller are

01:06:27.720 saying good things, but their priorities will crash against the shore of antisemitism resolutions

01:06:31.760 and most Isley Cantina judges. Look, I understand that, um, we have all seen Republicans fail

01:06:39.700 so many times that the frankly correct answer is to be cynical and to be doubtful. Um, I'm with you

01:06:48.120 in many ways, but at the same time, if you would declare your defeat beforehand, you are allowing

01:06:55.180 and creating the pathway for it, right? I, I, I want you to hear this very clearly and very carefully.

01:07:02.020 There is a wisdom in knowing the failures that you have, your movement has had previously.

01:07:10.440 The fact that it has not been sufficiently committed to the correct terms and pushing

01:07:14.440 for those things and not blindly expecting these people to do them. However, there is another form

01:07:20.780 of this, the nothing other happens ideology. That is an ideology of defeat. I want to be right

01:07:26.300 more than I want to win. Well, guess what? Sometimes winning means not making the safe prediction.

01:07:33.260 In fact, most of the time winning means saying I'm doing the impossible. So yes, are we up against

01:07:39.920 the impossible? Absolutely. Now get it together and make it happen. I don't want to hear excuses.

01:07:45.520 Yeah. Uh, they're going to use the antisemitism resolution. That just tells me you're bad at judo

01:07:50.100 because you know what you should be doing. Hey, if you can do this for antisemitism, you can surely

01:07:55.080 do it for a dead Charlie Kirk. Oh, look, I solved your problem. If we can end left-wing violence on

01:08:01.460 campuses for Israel, we can certainly do it for the United States of America. Look, I just took your

01:08:07.040 rhetoric and I spun it around. So stop complaining to me about how this can't get done and get it done.

01:08:13.200 Okay. I hear you. I don't trust any of these people farther than I can throw them. So I'm going to

01:08:17.880 throw them. Okay. It's that, it's that simple. The tech, right. Has it saying, uh,

01:08:23.700 pessimists sound smart and optimists make a billion dollars? That's right. That's right.

01:08:32.300 Man, you'd says, I think about Kirk's kids, uh, and my heart breaks a little bit more,

01:08:36.500 uh, hug a loved one, uh, friends because Lord can call us home at any time. Pray for peace. Yeah.

01:08:42.060 Once again, of course the, the, the center of this tragedy is not advancing anyone's political

01:08:46.660 positions. It is the loss of Charlie Kirk and what his family are now going through. So absolutely

01:08:52.700 center yourself, love your family and find God, you know, find God, because you never know when

01:08:58.720 that moment is coming. You may think you have forever and you don't. So take the time, do what

01:09:03.360 Charlie Kirk wanted you to do. Find Christ, take this moment. And if, if you are not in a relationship

01:09:07.720 with Christ, you need to be in one. And if you are not talking to your family or you're isolated,

01:09:14.260 you need to, to dig into community and need to connect with people. Do not sit alone during

01:09:19.280 this time. Do not sit alone and angry during this time. Absolutely. Kripper Weirder says,

01:09:25.360 so bring back dark MAGA memes. Is it time? Uh, no, in this case, I think we need the white hat memes.

01:09:30.900 I, I don't, I want, I want justice for Charlie Kirk. I want, I want righteous justice for Charlie

01:09:36.680 Kirk through the state, through the, the, the magistrate as, uh, as righteous arbiters of,

01:09:43.100 of what should be coming for these people, not as people acting outside the law.

01:09:48.720 Yeah. I, I, I, I know, and like the dark MAGA guys, and I don't think that this is, uh,

01:09:53.480 I don't think these positions are exclusive, but, um, but what I'm saying,

01:09:58.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, totally, totally. Um, but what I've been thinking about is if you want

01:10:06.220 our side to act effectively and in concert, the biggest, the biggest weapon that the enemy had

01:10:18.460 over the prior generation of people like us was being able to genuinely inculcate in people's hearts

01:10:28.820 that they were bad people for believing the things that they believe. And what has to change

01:10:35.160 is we have got to recognize and believe in our guts, in our bones, that we're the good guys.

01:10:44.220 And, um, that, that the world we are building is a better world. And, uh, you know, there are,

01:10:53.400 there are short term respects in which, uh, there are zero sum conflicts that are battles to be fought.

01:11:00.780 Um, but the world will be better if we win for everyone. Um, we, we, we are, uh, you know,

01:11:14.580 the stones of the field. We're in league with the stones of the field, right? We are on nature's side.

01:11:20.440 We are on the side of reality. We're on the side of truth.

01:11:23.020 And, uh, yeah, I, I think there's, I think there's, um, there's value in

01:11:31.200 the edgy optics, uh, at a certain point to kind of break people of the habit of mind of cringing

01:11:38.180 constantly and seeking approval. I think we've grown past it. I think it's time for us to say like,

01:11:47.260 no, no, actually, you know, uh, I'm the guy who has a wife and a kid, a wife and kids. And I live

01:11:54.520 in a beautiful place and I live around beautiful people. And, and, and we, we have civilization and

01:11:59.300 we're trying to protect it. We're trying to keep it safe. And we're trying to, we're trying to save

01:12:03.320 our country. Um, I think that, I think you're absolutely right. That's what's called for now.

01:12:07.440 It's time to be righteous and normal. It's, it's, it's, it's time.

01:12:12.820 Because you are, and you always have been.

01:12:14.980 Yes, that's exactly right.

01:12:17.260 Uh, Carl, uh, Johansson says, uh, the public, uh, usually rejects violence. So doing nothing

01:12:23.320 here might be the best move. Look at BLM. Sometimes doing nothing is the best policy,

01:12:28.400 your thoughts. So I hear what you're saying, but, uh, what happened after BLM is Joe Biden

01:12:34.240 took power and everyone was thrown in jail and our border was thrown open. So yes, I think

01:12:41.100 people in general are uncomfortable with violent violence. I do think there is a point at which

01:12:45.880 too much violence does create a call, uh, from the public for action, but this is the time.

01:12:53.220 This is the call for action. Um, I think if that, if we just let this sail by the left will cover

01:13:00.100 their butts, they'll pretend like they are calling for peace for a few months and they'll be right back

01:13:04.520 where they started, just like they were with Trump. Uh, the public, uh, didn't like the assassination

01:13:09.900 of Trump. I think it did help him win, uh, the, the landslide victory that he did. But if this is

01:13:16.040 not locked in, if those gains aren't made, if there's not systemic changes that come with the

01:13:20.200 public opinion, the public opinion means nothing. If there is nothing you have learned from my show,

01:13:25.200 please remember public opinion is fickle and can be completely manipulated by the people in charge.

01:13:30.560 It does. It's not that it doesn't matter, but that it is a mercurial thing that you must seize

01:13:36.020 the moment on when it's with you. And so we must seize the moment. Now, now is not the time to sit

01:13:41.380 back and let public opinion drive the politics a certain direction. No, public opinion is with us.

01:13:46.580 And so we act swiftly with the maximum legal force that can be leveraged in this moment.

01:13:53.580 Uh, by way of analogy, um, and this sort of draws the distinction between, um, I, Curtis was just

01:13:59.960 talking about the distinction between force and violence. Yes. Um,

01:14:04.200 in, uh, and you, you know, you can take this, uh, for what it's worth. I don't love the CCP any more

01:14:11.920 than anybody, but, um, one of the things they did that I thought was really smart during the Hong Kong

01:14:17.580 protests was they didn't shoot protesters. They didn't, you know, beat them up with billy clubs.

01:14:24.420 They sprayed them with blue paint and followed them home. You know, they, they absorbed the battering,

01:14:32.060 the violence of the protest. And then, you know, a week and a half later, you got to knock on the

01:14:38.380 door in the middle of the night. He went to jail and it was clean and it was quick and it was low

01:14:43.980 drama and it was low media footprint. And I think that very, very similar things can happen here.

01:14:51.240 You know, uh, uh, again, these surveillance tools exist. Um, you may hate them. You may think they

01:15:00.660 shouldn't exist. They exist. They're here and they can either be used for pro-civilizational ends or

01:15:08.160 left in the hands of the anti-civilizational people, uh, who currently operate them.

01:15:14.100 Baked potatoes. It's, uh, uh, it hurts to hear, uh, uh, it hurt to hear, but Sam Height's take on the

01:15:23.260 constitution in his video has resonated with me. And I think more people, uh, will follow, uh, look,

01:15:31.800 um, I don't know if you're new to this channel, but, uh, Sam Height's take on the constitution is

01:15:38.180 exactly, um, uh, you know, it's not novel around here. Uh, I wouldn't have phrased it the way that

01:15:44.620 Sam Height phrased it in that video. Uh, but obviously I am not here saying be super precious,

01:15:50.260 uh, and just wave around your constitutional rights and they will protect you. Um, obviously I wrote

01:15:55.520 literally an entire book on the subject. So, um, I'm, I, I hear you, uh, we're not arguing for,

01:16:02.280 uh, you know, just, just run up and tell them you've got the right to free speech and it'll be just

01:16:06.340 fine. Um, we're telling you, uh, just when you bring the hammer on these guys and you should

01:16:11.700 crush them to pieces, when you bring the hammer, make sure to wrap it in, you know, in law. That's

01:16:18.020 all, that's all, that's all we're saying. When Sam talked about, uh, dear Grok, would it be helpful

01:16:25.120 to wrap the, to, to wave the constitution in front of people in South Africa who are trying to boil you

01:16:30.780 alive in your bathtub? That was just one of the funniest bits I've ever heard. I, so like, yeah,

01:16:36.100 the, the constitution, the value and the beauty and the thing that we should, the thing that we

01:16:41.040 should cling to, I think is the, uh, the spirit of freedom that it created. I mean, it existed as

01:16:52.880 a religion in the minds of the people who ran the country for a while. That was the value of the

01:16:57.660 constant. That's what it bought us. Right. Was people felt constrained by custom and by social

01:17:04.420 pressure and by sincere belief, uh, to limit their exercise of legitimate power. And that

01:17:14.020 led to a lot of cultural flowering and a lot of good things and a lot of, uh, a lot of

01:17:20.120 beauty. And, uh, that's all still real. Um, but the constitution does not live in the hearts

01:17:26.060 of our rulers anymore. And, uh, and it is not, it does not defend itself. And so, yeah, you, you,

01:17:33.680 you have to, uh, it was always intended to bind the state and not the people. And now the people

01:17:43.440 are trying to get some things done with the state and they can't allow it to bind them. They, they,

01:17:47.900 they, they have to do what needs to happen. Constitutions, as you point out, are, are in the

01:17:52.800 hearts of people. They might be reflected on paper at some point, but there is no such thing as a paper

01:17:57.720 constitution that that is just something that is written down. And if it's not in the hearts of the

01:18:02.280 people, it does not matter. So that that's what constitutions are and that's how they work. And

01:18:06.880 they don't work any other way. Uh, freelancer says it's a very Jobian how God, uh, took Charlie away

01:18:14.860 from his family and all of us when he was at his best, uh, when he was the best of us, Job 121,

01:18:21.020 right there, Job 38, 41 is his answer. Again, you know, I, I certainly don't want to dwell on this

01:18:29.140 too often, but having, you know, lost, you know, immediate family members, uh, I'll just say that,

01:18:35.060 um, that is a abyss to stare into most certainly. And the questions are always heavy. Uh, but the

01:18:42.140 answer is always, uh, that God created the world and the order under you, which you live and is ordering

01:18:48.340 those things for good in ways that you don't understand. Um, and, um, that doesn't make it

01:18:53.640 easier. And it doesn't mean that your grief or anger is in any way, uh, invalid or less. Uh,

01:19:00.560 but it does mean, uh, that with faith in God, you can make it through any of these things.

01:19:06.160 And, uh, Job 38, 41, I believe is, um, though the worms destroy my flesh and the flesh,

01:19:11.820 I'll see God. And I think that is the answer.

01:19:17.560 Society man says just a friendly reminder that the civil rights act explicitly makes an exemption

01:19:21.840 for communists. Good, important, important thing to know.

01:19:27.820 Uh, Chan, the man says, would like to see a video on, uh, Christian conversion. Uh, I mean,

01:19:35.520 I've certainly talked about, uh, Christianity and Christian conversions. You'd have to be a little

01:19:39.360 more specific, but it could be an interesting topic. If you want to give me a little more on that,

01:19:43.140 uh, Senator Brundlefly says when our Lord entered the temple and found it polluted by money changers

01:19:48.940 and beasts, they asked them to leave. Did he cry? Did he simply walk away? No, he drove them out.

01:19:54.520 And yes, of course the, the point is we're not going to be cowering in front of this. We're not

01:19:59.140 going to be saying, Oh, how could you, you violated the Lord's law. No, we'll be driving this out and

01:20:03.580 we'll be driving it out with righteous authority in this case. Uh, you know, through hopefully the Trump

01:20:08.380 administration, this is one of the beauties of being in power guys. Sometimes elections don't

01:20:12.660 matter this time they could. So let's make it matter and let's not have any excuses about it.

01:20:17.800 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up. As always, it's a pleasure speaking with

01:20:21.640 Kevin. Thank you so much for coming on and everybody make sure to check out his work and exit. If it's

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - September 15, 2025

The Rise of the Tranissaries ｜ Guest： Kevin Dolan ｜ 9⧸15⧸25

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