The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Shadowy Agency That Managed the Civil Right Revolution ｜ Guest： Academic Agent ｜ 6⧸11⧸25

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody. How's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great

00:00:03.640 stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy. Last week, Academic

00:00:08.640 Agent released a video on a bombshell report outlining the activities of the Community

00:00:14.580 Relations Service, which is a shadowy organization that, despite its rather benign name, actually

00:00:20.180 might be responsible for stage managing a large part of the Civil Rights Revolution,

00:00:26.320 including handling different scenarios where there are riots going on and where people's

00:00:32.400 family members are killed by minority people in the United States and ultimately handling the 1.00

00:00:38.440 backlash to that. Lots of secrecy, but this thing broke open wide. I actually ended up doing a thread

00:00:43.860 responding to his video on Twitter, and that actually went very wide as well, all the way to

00:00:49.560 the point where I got contacted by the Trump administration about this program. So, Academic

00:00:55.420 Agent, thanks for putting this together, and thank you for coming on today.

00:00:59.840 Yeah, cheers, Aaron. I mean, there's only a few times in my life that I've read a book that has

00:01:05.180 been mind-blowing. I mean, one time was James Burnham's Machiavellians, which completely transformed

00:01:13.980 how I think about politics and everything, basically. I'm sure you had the same experience

00:01:19.960 when you read that book. Another book is a book called Who Paid the Piper, which basically just

00:01:27.020 shows how much of politics has been man-managed and is, you know, essentially a kind of top-down

00:01:35.820 enterprise. And I thought, well, that was a mind-blowing book. But then this book, which was called

00:01:43.840 America's Peacemakers, it only came out in 2020, basically spilled the beans on this community

00:01:53.600 relations service, a secret or quasi-secret agency. I mean, it's not secret in so much as it admits it

00:02:01.900 exists, it exists, right? It's secret in so much as it doesn't reveal, it won't kind of divulge

00:02:10.900 what it's been up to, and actually has powers way beyond what you'd expect. You know, on the surface,

00:02:18.920 it's there to mediate between racial communities in America. But in practice, it is basically man-managed

00:02:32.200 protests, civil rights, race relations, to an extent that is extraordinary. I mean,

00:02:40.800 we used to have these debates, Aaron, about how much is top-down and how much is emergent and so

00:02:46.240 on. I remember there was this phrase they used to describe people like Alex Jones. You know,

00:02:51.680 they talk about the paranoid style in American politics, like, you know, the John Birchers and

00:02:57.220 so on, everything's a conspiracy. Reading this book, I could not help but think about the paranoid

00:03:03.820 style of American government, because they leave nothing, and I mean nothing, to chance.

00:03:11.740 The way I describe most of what they've done, if you can imagine race relations between the black 1.00

00:03:20.100 community and the white community in America, and incidentally, throughout this book, black is

00:03:26.820 capitalized, capital B, white is a little, white is going a little W. Very difficult not to spot that. 0.83

00:03:35.220 And that, I think, basically tells the whole story of the book, because really what the CRS has been

00:03:45.540 since 1964, when it came into being through the Civil Rights Act, through Title 10, has been a tilt,

00:03:54.140 basically, whenever there's any dispute, political dispute, struggle for power between these two

00:04:00.620 groups, the CRS more or less puts its foot on the scale to ensure that the black community get the

00:04:09.360 better of it, including giving them on-the-ground political advice, telling them of things they would

00:04:15.980 otherwise not be aware of, covering up or covering for violence, to minimize what they call white backlash.

00:04:28.140 In one notable case, even kind of playing down murder. So that's one part of what they did.

00:04:38.780 And then another part of what they did is basically man-managing the black community 0.99

00:04:44.540 to ensure that they stay on the kind of Martin Luther King Jr. reservation or side of things,

00:04:52.620 rather than going Malcolm X, if you want to put it that way. So yeah, I just found it really, I mean,

00:05:01.980 not just an eye-opener, just jaw-dropping how open they are in this book. Go on, Aaron.

00:05:09.340 I was just gonna say, and I love the fact that, you know, this super secretive organization that has

00:05:14.300 all these special privileges, which we'll talk about in a second, we wouldn't have known most of what

00:05:19.340 they've been doing if they didn't just explain it like Bond villains, right? Like they just,

00:05:23.340 they were so proud of the work that they had done that they didn't recognize what it would sound like

00:05:28.540 to everyone else. So they just bragged about it and broke this veil of secrecy that they had given

00:05:35.500 to them by the Civil Rights Act. And that's the only reason we know. And I do want to get deeper

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00:06:40.540 All right. So AA, let's start at the beginning because a lot of people may not have seen your video

00:06:47.580 or the thread. They may not be familiar. What is the CRS? Like we know ostensibly it's supposed to

00:06:54.380 exist to like, you know, smooth these things over. And like, what was it created? Where was it created?

00:06:59.420 And why does it get its powers? And what are these, what are these secret protections it has that makes

00:07:04.600 it so hard to know what's going on if they hadn't read a book about it?

00:07:07.100 Well, I mean, they started with one of the other remarkable things, Owen, is that even though

00:07:13.580 Civil Rights Act was signed in 1964, they'd been planning this agency as far back as 1959.

00:07:20.220 When Johnson, Lyndon B. Johnson was a senator. And the I mean, there are this whole cast of characters

00:07:29.100 who are basically civil rights activists that then plan this department. And essentially what they do

00:07:35.660 is they set up a little, a little fiefdom, a little protected agency within the federal government

00:07:43.820 that lots of people don't know, you know, even still, I mean, I was at an event last week, I mentioned

00:07:49.820 it to five or six different Americans, they'd never heard of it. Most people have never heard of this.

00:07:55.020 And it's up until two weeks ago, I had never heard of this. And so they planned it in the late 50s.

00:08:05.580 And they tried various different ways to get this to exist. And then finally, they smuggled it into

00:08:13.420 Title 10 of the Civil Rights Act when it was passed in 1964. And I mean, in theory, it's there to promote

00:08:22.140 civil rights. Okay, and it's there, you know, the Civil Rights Act sets up various protective

00:08:29.340 characteristics for different groups. So, you know, there's the black community later on,

00:08:35.420 there's the LGBT plus plus plus, you know, that gets added on later. Sex, gender gets added at some

00:08:45.420 point. You know, so you know what you know what the Civil Rights Act is there for. But this agency,

00:08:53.580 the CRS is there, basically to ensure that things are always pushed in that direction.

00:09:04.620 You know, when Curtis Yarvin said years ago, Cthulhu, you know, always swims left.

00:09:12.940 What he didn't mention, or perhaps he didn't know, is that there is a government agency, a secret one,

00:09:19.260 this CRS, that's there to absolutely make sure that it goes that way. And I mean, one of the really striking

00:09:26.780 things when you read the accounts, because they go through lots of really important events that

00:09:32.780 happen in American history, like Selma, there's a whole chapter on this, and various other things

00:09:39.740 that happen. What they don't tell you is that the civil rights side, so UK, they would have been real

00:09:47.900 activists, they would have been organic and grassroots people. But in all the official accounts, they don't

00:09:54.060 say, well, actually, also, there were these kind of like spooks on their side, giving them advice,

00:09:59.740 calling plays, smoothing things over with the media, actually bullying and threatening the media,

00:10:06.140 to make sure that it was their side that won out. And of course, in each of these cases,

00:10:11.660 there was organized political resistance, coming from, you know, the white community, you could say,

00:10:18.380 of that time. And of course, they weren't getting this extra special leg up, or help. They were being

00:10:26.060 painted in the worst possible light, imaginable, including, you know, where there's violence,

00:10:34.300 making sure that their violence is played up, making sure the violence on behalf of the civil rights 0.93

00:10:41.820 activists is always played down, things like that. So that is, I mean, I don't know if there's anything

00:10:48.140 you want to add it, add to what I mean, would you agree, that's basically what they, what they're

00:10:53.900 there? Oh, no, yeah. From what I saw that that's definitely the case. And it's wild, because of

00:10:58.220 course, you know, you and I have talked about this so often, but it's still very well held in, you know,

00:11:03.660 most even conservative circles in the United States, that the civil rights movement was this like organic

00:11:09.660 struggle that the United States went through to overcome years of, you know, the Jim Crow and all

00:11:15.340 these different race relations problems, and things just kind of developed because there's this natural 1.00

00:11:19.980 desire for the, you know, things to move that direction. And actually, no, the whole thing is planned

00:11:26.300 top down, literally by the government, using agents to go in and leverage these different, the big thing,

00:11:32.620 you know, and we'll, we'll talk about that for sure. But a big part of this is the media narrative

00:11:37.260 control, right? Like, it's making sure that TV stations only hire the type of people who are going to

00:11:43.500 take cues from the CRS, making sure that, like you said, the different aspects of any given

00:11:50.460 altercation are played up. So the white, any white violence is, is heightened and any minority violence 0.58

00:11:56.700 is, is suppressed. The news of that is definitely toned down, making sure that different families

00:12:02.700 give exactly the type of statements that these people want in order to, in their eyes, advance the

00:12:08.700 cause. And so this is an explicitly political organization from its founding, always with an

00:12:14.780 end in mind. And in the background, constantly putting, as you said, their thumb on the scale to

00:12:20.300 make sure things turn out in a particular way. So just a high degree of confirmation with the elite

00:12:26.460 theory idea that none of this stuff, like, don't be wrong, there's always some level of organic interest in

00:12:33.580 activists, these kind of thing. They're always pushing something that actually exists, but they

00:12:37.820 are heightening it to a degree and giving an advantage to such a degree that it just, you know,

00:12:42.700 it blows everything out of proportion. And that's really, I think, a big highlight of, of the report

00:12:48.140 here. Yeah. I mean, this is going to sound unusual, but I don't know if people can remember the old

00:12:52.620 Willy Wonka film, you know, the Gene Wilder one. If you remember in that, in that movie, when the kids win

00:12:58.700 the golden ticket, there's this weird little character called Slugworth who, who appears and

00:13:04.220 whispers in their ear. This is really the vibe that these guys get. So it's like, okay, all these

00:13:09.420 people like Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and so on, they could have been real, they could have been

00:13:14.220 organic. But then like this little character appears on the side and starts whispering in their ear,

00:13:20.620 giving them advice, calling their plays, and then perhaps even more sinister, shaping their movement.

00:13:28.780 Making sure that their movement goes in a certain direction as well. And that's the really striking

00:13:34.380 thing is, is the double control. It's not simply there as a kind of putting the kibosh on any momentum

00:13:42.540 that white activists might have, or the white backlash might have, but also making sure that

00:13:49.100 the civil rights movement basically runs on these guard rails, right? And they can't ever get beyond,

00:13:57.580 you know, get beyond a certain set of really specific talking points.

00:14:03.420 Um, and another thing, um, that we should probably talk about our own is that if anybody's lived through

00:14:12.060 the past 10 years and, and, and witnessed things like BLM, you know, the summer of love in 2020,

00:14:18.700 you know, I remember distinctly back then we said like, look, you've got to understand a lot of

00:14:22.700 people were freaking out and saying BLM are revolutionaries. You know, they're, they're taking

00:14:27.020 over. This is, this is it now. This is the communists are coming. And, and, and some of us back then said,

00:14:32.380 look, you've got to understand, uh, BLM are not revolutionaries. They are counter revolutionaries,

00:14:38.860 basically shock troops, storm troopers for what we call the regime or for the government.

00:14:44.540 And what this book does is really just give you receipt after receipt after receipt. Um,

00:14:52.940 and I, I got a saying, it's Greta Thunberg all the way down. And this is really like that as a book,

00:14:59.900 I, I, I just couldn't believe it, Aaron. Um, um, I just couldn't believe how, how little is left to

00:15:06.940 chance, uh, by these people. One theory I've got is that the reason they wrote this book in 2020

00:15:14.860 is because at that point there was such hubris on the, on the left. And there was such, I think they,

00:15:20.780 they thought they had finally won during the summer of love during George Floyd. And the tone of the

00:15:27.260 book is like, oh, it's an urgent moment now in American history type thing. Let's explain to you

00:15:33.340 what we've done in the past, probably thinking like not a single Trump support is ever going to

00:15:39.020 pick up or discover this book. Um, you know, you pro if you don't want people to read it,

00:15:43.740 you probably shouldn't publish a book explaining what you've been up to, you know, it reminds me of

00:15:49.500 the, the time magazine article, right? Like the, the, where they just came out and said, yes,

00:15:53.660 there is a shadowy oligarchic conspiracy to, uh, to, to get rid of Donald Trump and install Joe Biden.

00:16:00.700 Right. It's just like you said, it's yeah. End of history, victory lap. Okay. You know,

00:16:04.780 we, we've reached the summit, uh, politics is over, uh, everyone agrees with us now,

00:16:09.500 or the people who don't agree with us are going to be out of power forever. So now we can just lay

00:16:13.660 all the cards on the table. Not only can we admit it, we, we can do it as if we are, we're the heroes,

00:16:18.220 because everyone's going to laud us for, for engineering this scenario that we all love so much. But,

00:16:23.500 uh, uh, I had asked earlier, but we didn't quite lay it out.

00:16:28.060 This organization has a level of secrecy and protection that is just insane, right? Like

00:16:33.900 they're, they're not subject to FOIA requests as I understand, or they get limited information

00:16:38.460 out of FOIA requests. They can refuse to testify all kinds of stuff. And so the, the only way that

00:16:43.740 we would know any of this is because of the book. Otherwise they, they destroy their, their notes.

00:16:48.780 They don't keep logs of what the agents are writing down and what they're doing. Uh, it's,

00:16:53.660 it's, it's just wild that this, you know, something that is supposed to be about public

00:16:57.820 relations and helping the public in theory, in practice has that level of, of security and

00:17:03.500 secrecy. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, it's, it's, it's almost kind of FBI level, not quite because

00:17:09.580 they don't have law enforcement powers, the same as the FBI does, but they pretty much have almost

00:17:16.300 everything else, you know? Um, and, uh, I mean, one of the things I found really interesting

00:17:22.220 is that if Congress, if, uh, let's say some, uh, Republican Senator watches this and was like,

00:17:29.180 right, I'm going to haul up that CRS. And, you know, sometimes Ted Cruz has those sessions where

00:17:33.900 he just kind of has a go at people. They could just refuse that. And the Congress wouldn't have

00:17:39.260 any right to, you know, get them to testify. They could just say, no, we have secrecy. I always found

00:17:45.180 that really remarkable. You know, if the government says, oh, well, it's a secret. Oh, well, okay,

00:17:49.340 then it's a secret. Nobody's allowed to know. It's just kind of some real democratic accountability

00:17:54.380 there. That's, that's our democracy, uh, at work. So, uh, let's talk a little bit about the training

00:18:00.860 and the shaping of the movement, because I think that's a really important, you, you, you made the

00:18:04.140 point that it's the control of both sides, right? So, uh, in the book, uh, from, as, as I'm aware,

00:18:09.660 the, the guy, one of the guys who founded the CRS and helped to write the book, uh, uh, Bertrand Levine,

00:18:14.300 uh, he basically says the purpose of this organization is to bust up Lily White Towns,

00:18:20.780 right? That that's what they're there to do is you will be integrated at gunpoint. Basically,

00:18:27.420 we're going to go in and we're going to force this. It's not about organically. Hey,

00:18:30.540 some black people want to live in this neighborhood. No, we're going to go in there. 1.00

00:18:33.580 We exist. And they've done this with planting mosques in completely Christian towns, pushing 1.00

00:18:38.620 trans stuff. It's not just the race stuff, but obviously that was where it was. It was

00:18:43.260 founded and where majority of its work was done. But when they're going in to break up these towns

00:18:48.300 and to, uh, create the situation, like you said, they're, they're controlling anything,

00:18:53.740 any opposition white, uh, Americans might have to the way that their, uh, towns were being manipulated,

00:18:59.420 the way that their politics were being manipulated. They're playing up any white violence 0.75

00:19:03.420 against minorities and making sure to cover up any black or other minority violence against whites.

00:19:09.340 But very interestingly, they're trying to make sure the civil rights movement never becomes a black 0.96

00:19:13.340 nationalism movement because they know that then that's not useful to them anymore,

00:19:18.140 right? Like they, they need a specific type of civil rights activists to exist because otherwise the, 0.93

00:19:23.740 the, uh, heritage Americans might get a little antsy about what's going on with the civil rights movement.

00:19:28.540 Yeah. I mean, I think one of the key things to understand is that the, the remit for this

00:19:33.340 organization came out of the moment of desegregation. And I mean, we've all seen the images of people,

00:19:40.940 you know, being marched at gunpoint school and things like that. That was the mindset at the time.

00:19:47.420 And something that Lyndon B. Johnson in particular was keenly aware of that this actually needed to be

00:19:52.860 managed, um, in such a way that basically people don't, don't have a choice. Um, and that thinking

00:20:01.180 seems to endure right the way through the eighties and the nineties. I mean, one of the things I

00:20:06.860 distinctly remember, um, was a campaign by Oprah Winfrey, I don't know if you, uh, of, but basically

00:20:14.780 bussing activists into an all white town in Georgia. And then she had a kind of camera crew down there

00:20:21.500 saying, look, this is the most racist town in America. And, um, you know, they, they, uh, had

00:20:28.380 interviews with people who were living in this town, basically saying, well, look, uh, we don't

00:20:32.940 want any outsiders living here type of thing. And then scores and scores of non-white activists 0.99

00:20:41.340 shipped into that area. And I think actually became like a national, like, like a kind of, uh,

00:20:46.300 uh, you know, uh, a story that had national import where all of a sudden people in New York and

00:20:53.100 California had this as a concern that there was this one town that existed that, you know,

00:20:58.460 didn't have any, um, and see, this is the thing. I look back on things like that now and you can't

00:21:06.060 help but wonder, okay, was this then? In fact, there was one this past weekend hour on, uh, with this

00:21:12.060 stuff happening in LA. Yeah. Do you remember there was the, the guys waving the Mexican flags

00:21:17.900 and then all of a sudden it was like, oh, well you better start waving American ones too. And

00:21:22.220 the American ones were kind of pristine and newly opened and then still have the creases and everything.

00:21:27.580 Yeah. And I couldn't help but think, was that the CRS doing it then? Because how has that happened?

00:21:33.340 Um, and it explained so much of the stuff that we saw like during BLM, who was leaving

00:21:39.820 pallets of bricks there. Now I'm not saying necessarily it was the CRS, but I'm saying,

00:21:47.020 now that you know this and all that this sort of thing goes on, it kind of, you know, we weren't

00:21:52.860 going mad. We did, when we saw that footage and now explain, well, how come all their signs are so

00:21:58.380 pristine and like made as if a corporation made them? Well, this kind of answers a lot of these

00:22:04.380 questions because, you know, in our imagination world, like, is this, uh, George Soros did,

00:22:09.420 is this actually maybe it's just the American government. Well, it's like USAID, right? It's

00:22:14.700 like, is what this organic? Well, no, actually it's just a, a export directly of the U S government.

00:22:21.180 And the same seems to be true for, uh, civil rights violence. Um, so let's talk about a couple

00:22:27.100 of the projects, uh, that they have, that we know they're a part of again, would we could speculate,

00:22:32.460 uh, you know, where they've been. And once you've seen this, it's, it's, you know, it's not a

00:22:38.060 conspiracy theory if it's real, right? The conspiracy is, is absolutely real. So once you've seen it,

00:22:42.540 you're just speculating about how far it goes, especially since we couldn't even find out with

00:22:47.260 congressional testimony, how far this goes. So that's the best you can do, but we do know that

00:22:51.740 they're involved in a few things. So, uh, you know, you outlined, uh, the fact that they were

00:22:56.860 involved in, uh, working with activists in the sixties, of course, uh, they were working with

00:23:02.060 disciples of Saul Alinsky, um, basically allowing riots, but making sure that they didn't overflow

00:23:08.140 to the point where they would agitate. They also have, uh, the Mercer project where they literally

00:23:12.460 to this day, still train left-wing activists again on your tax dollars on, on how to agitate in these

00:23:19.500 civil rights protests and get all this done. So again, none of this is completely organic.

00:23:24.380 None of this is just bubbling up that this organization is behind the scenes working with

00:23:30.060 radical leftists, Saul Alinsky, uh, disciples training new ones out there all the time to

00:23:35.900 ensure that when a protest, it's the ground, these trained individuals are ready to manipulate the scene.

00:23:42.780 Yeah. Uh, yes. And, uh, and like I said, I mean, you'd have to go through the book case by case,

00:23:48.700 but it's pretty much any major incident in American history involving race, Rodney King,

00:23:56.780 uh, Selma, like I mentioned. Uh, I mean, there, there, there are a number of, uh, pretty high

00:24:03.580 profile cases where all the way up to Trayvon Martin in the, in the modern day, right?

00:24:07.660 Uh, absolutely. Uh, unless the thing is that as far as I know, Aaron, they're still going now.

00:24:13.580 Um, and this is one of the things that occurred to me was, you know, in all this time, not a single

00:24:20.780 Republican thought, yeah, we better shut this down or we better amend like when they had majorities 1.00

00:24:27.180 in, in Congress or, you know, when you had the situation where the Republican president,

00:24:31.980 uh, with, with both houses, they never thought, oh, we better do something about this. Just like

00:24:36.940 some sort of amendment. Or is it the case that you, nobody can touch the civil rights act at all?

00:24:43.660 And that's why it's been left. I mean, you would know better than me.

00:24:47.020 I think it's, I think it's that the civil rights act is actually so, uh, uh, politically difficult to,

00:24:54.260 to deal with. But also I think that most Republican presidents probably just saw this as,

00:25:00.140 oh, it's a, it's a civil rights organization. That's fine. Like they, because to them, civil rights

00:25:04.400 equals good. Right. And this is one of the things, one of the difficult, uh, you know,

00:25:08.560 mountains we're trying to climb here. You know, one of the reasons that thread blew up is I wrote it

00:25:13.140 in reaction to Chris Ruffo saying, okay, I know there are people out there advocating for the

00:25:17.580 repeal of the civil rights act. Why should we get rid of it? What's the actual case? Cause we know 0.60

00:25:21.940 this is this giant mountain to climb. And the answer is stuff like the CRS, which is baked deep into

00:25:28.260 the government. Again, this is just what we know now, right? This could go much deeper. They could be

00:25:32.940 more organizations. There could be more manipulation, but this is just what we know.

00:25:37.060 And I did actually, and this is how wild, you know, this blew up. I did get contacted by the

00:25:42.760 Trump white house. The, the office of management and budget wanted to let me know that this organization

00:25:48.160 was on their radar. Cause to be fair, uh, guys like, um, uh, uh, guys like, uh, raw egg nationalists

00:25:54.880 have been reporting on this previously. I think this was the most extensive report that revealed the

00:26:00.960 most that we had, I think, because I don't think he knew about the book, but he, but, but this was

00:26:05.580 already on the Trump administration's radar because of that reporting. And so they were already planning

00:26:10.520 to defund it. And so that is now in the bill that is actually in the bill that's sitting around

00:26:15.980 waiting to get passed, uh, is a defunding of the CRS. However, you can't remove it because it is a

00:26:22.440 statutory requirement of title 10. So you would actually have to repeal, uh, this, the civil rights act

00:26:28.740 or amend the civil rights act. If you actually wanted to get rid of it to this point, the only

00:26:32.980 thing the Trump administration can do without legislative action is that defunding. Yeah.

00:26:38.120 I mean, I would say though, that the civil rights act has been amended several times because it

00:26:42.920 keeps on being added to, right. So back in 1964, there was no such thing as a trans, as a transgender

00:26:49.000 blah, blah, blah. That was added to. Um, and in fact, I gave a talk last week where I was looking

00:26:54.800 into this cause I was asking the question to what extent is woke downstream from, from law. Right. Uh,

00:27:02.100 and why is it that it went so crazy after 2009, 2010? And one of the things I found was, um, this

00:27:09.180 anti-hate crime legislation that Obama put through in 2009. It's, it's the name of two senators, um,

00:27:17.060 where, where basically they said, well, it's not enough to be neutral as an institution or to be

00:27:23.360 reactive. You now have to be proactive. Uh, and that happened in 2009 and that had, uh, implications

00:27:31.520 for things in the civil rights act. So the civil rights act has been added to or amended or changed

00:27:39.180 since 1964. So, I mean, what I'm saying is that what I would say to Chris Ruffo, for example,

00:27:46.740 is that, well, okay, maybe it doesn't need to be a full repeal of the civil rights act. Maybe we can

00:27:51.520 just take this bit out, for example, you know, baby steps. Well, let's, let's talk a little more

00:27:58.640 about what they do here because the other really interesting pro project they have is, uh, operation

00:28:04.220 rumor control, which again, continues to, to operate to this day and has a significant hand in

00:28:10.200 manipulating the media understanding. Again, they know how important it is to control the message,

00:28:15.620 control the frame, control the narrative. Can you lay out what operation rumor control does and how

00:28:20.340 it got so much influence in like local media? Yeah. I mean, this, this is basically what we'd

00:28:27.500 recognize today as fact checking before fact checking. Um, they, they would basically go in

00:28:35.060 and let's say, I don't know. Um, I mean, there were actual cases like, Oh, a fight had broken out

00:28:41.280 between two sets of protesters or, you know, uh, a group of black activists had beaten up like a white

00:28:47.620 student as a, some example. Okay. Um, and while you know how things are, rumors can go around in

00:28:54.660 different places. They would basically step in and be like, right. Uh, all of these sorts of

00:28:59.520 things are misinformation. Here's what actually happened. Um, and they, they'd actually go in and

00:29:05.460 intervene, tell media organizations what the kind of true official position is, uh, in each case,

00:29:13.740 uh, in a, in a manner that is really quite similar to the fact checking that we've seen

00:29:20.180 Trump for Trump for the past 10 years. Um, I mean, who knows, maybe, maybe it was them telling

00:29:25.620 writers, I have no idea, but, um, that's basically what they did. Um, another thing they did at some

00:29:33.380 point was, um, they were very keen on having black representation on screen and making sure that

00:29:43.520 the depiction, uh, of black people in media was not negative, which, which again, would today we

00:29:54.380 think of as all, this is woke, this is DEI and so on. But they were, they were doing this stuff back

00:29:58.920 in the early seventies, um, with threats and black males. And, uh, at one point they even boast about, 0.99

00:30:06.020 uh, you know, threatening to revoke the, something called an FCC license, which is a broadcast

00:30:13.060 license essentially, and actually telling various different activist groups that this secret power

00:30:21.620 or this hidden power exists so that they have leverage in all of those negotiations, in all of

00:30:28.420 those positions. Um, and media moguls, even if they were initially reluctant to do any of this stuff,

00:30:35.500 they were basically bullied into complying. And this was in the early seventies, this was in the nineties

00:30:41.020 or the two thousands. This was a very long time ago. Yeah. So the, to be clear, once again,

00:30:46.380 uh, they were literally blackmailing, uh, news stations and saying, you have to hire exactly the

00:30:51.700 kind of people we want you to hire and be malleable to our type of, uh, manipulation of different

00:30:57.800 stories. Take our fact checks on board when you look at different stories. Cause if you don't,

00:31:02.440 we'll pull your FCC license. You won't be able to operate as a broadcaster in the United States

00:31:06.600 anymore. So the news was literally held at gunpoint until it complied with what the community relations

00:31:13.680 service wanted put out there as a narrative. Absolutely. Yeah. So one of the most insidious

00:31:21.600 things that the CRS, uh, does is it manages the way that grieving families respond to the murder of

00:31:31.120 their loved ones. So, uh, we've seen this pattern before. We've always thought it was strange,

00:31:37.040 but we didn't know for sure what was going on. But you know, there's this, uh, crime, a minority, 1.00

00:31:43.240 uh, uh, person does some kind of crime to a white family. Uh, as always, we have to downplay it.

00:31:49.600 So the CRS hits the scene, they get control of the media narrative, and then they go to the family.

00:31:55.960 And usually it's an older male member. They're told to go out there. Often they're reading a

00:32:01.840 prepared statement, but it's not prepared by them. They didn't write it out. It's, it's something the

00:32:06.340 CRS has helped to coach them through. And the narrative is always the same. Oh, let's not worry

00:32:11.520 about the race. I don't want this to be about racial issues. I don't want there to be any backlash

00:32:16.480 to what happened here. I want to make sure that we're focusing on the good things about my relative

00:32:21.460 who died. Let's not talk about any tensions that might exist between racial communities

00:32:26.100 in here. It's, it's really all the crime is not the focus. The focus is how saintly my, uh, uh,

00:32:33.600 you know, child or my husband or wife or whoever was. And ultimately we need to forgive. It's all

00:32:39.460 about forgiveness. Lots of people noticing how weird this is, how the people look like they're kind

00:32:44.860 of like out there at gunpoint and they, you know, frog march out there. But this is something that has

00:32:50.100 happened reliably because this is something CRS is producing. Right. Yeah, absolutely. I mean,

00:32:55.520 in this country, we have a nudge unit that does this sort of thing and we discovered who they were

00:33:01.820 as well. But one of the famous cases here was that, do you remember there was that bombing in the, in the,

00:33:06.080 in the, um, in the Manchester stadium, I think it was Ariana Grande. Um, and, and, and basically making

00:33:14.840 sure that there was no anger after that. And they actually use the Oasis song, don't look back in

00:33:20.720 anger. So it's been like a kind of running joke that whenever there's a disaster in Britain,

00:33:26.060 everybody has to get the candles out and sing, don't look back in anger. Um, but the playbook

00:33:31.560 here is exactly the same, uh, as, as that. Um, and, uh, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's really insidious.

00:33:41.720 Like one of the examples you mentioned, raw reg nationalists. Um, there was a, there was a, 0.93

00:33:46.660 there was a, uh, uh, white guy, uh, who was killed by a group of Somalis. And I looked into

00:33:54.660 that story. I was like, I wonder how that was actually reported in the local press as we were

00:34:00.200 talking about. And if you, if you look up the headlines, it says things like man dies after

00:34:06.960 struggle. So you basically get zero information in a headline. It just sounds neat. It just sounds

00:34:14.440 like, well, maybe he had a bit of a scuffle and, oh, he's died of injuries. What it does

00:34:19.480 not say is who did it or what it was about or anything like that. And that is very much

00:34:25.800 the sort of thing they do because what they were trying to prevent was any sort of backlash

00:34:31.040 against the quote unquote Somali community or Somalis in general. Um, yeah.

00:34:38.740 Well, that was the most wild revelation of that was it, you know, normally the CRS has

00:34:44.200 to go and deploy on the ground, right? Like they got, okay, this, uh, event happened. We

00:34:48.680 need to rush, uh, in there and talk to the community and manage the media and get ahold of

00:34:54.920 the family and all this stuff. But the, the big thing about what happened in, in Lewiston,

00:34:58.740 in Maine was they, at least as far as we can tell the Somalis there had been brought there

00:35:04.500 by the government, the government. Yeah. This is one of those resettlement projects we've

00:35:08.140 seen with Haitians and in, in the middle of the country and this kind of thing. So this

00:35:11.780 is another one of the forced immigration, forced integration scenarios. And because the government

00:35:16.760 was already involved in basically injecting these Somalians into this, it's Maine, you know, 1.00

00:35:22.680 there's, there's not a lot of black people in Maine, uh, you know, if you're not familiar

00:35:26.600 with the area here in the United States. Uh, but the, the fact is that they were already

00:35:31.100 purposely diversifying that neighborhood and they expected there to be a lot of tension

00:35:38.020 between the Somali community that was being dropped into Maine and the locals there. And

00:35:43.780 so the CRS was already on the ground because they expected violence. So it's not that they

00:35:49.560 rushed in and, Oh, we've got a case of flare up. We've got to get involved. They had already

00:35:54.440 created this artificial community, this artificial diversity. They expected violence out of this

00:36:00.940 diversity. And then when it occurred, they stage managed the whole thing to play it down. And once

00:36:06.260 again, get ahold of the family, manipulate the news media, the whole thing back to front.

00:36:12.920 What's really troubling about this, uh, this book our own and the tone of it, because it's written

00:36:17.460 by one of the founders of it, like the people who've been doing it, you know, since the sixties,

00:36:23.380 one of the, one of the things I found was that it was almost like no white concerns are valid

00:36:31.600 whatsoever. So, I mean, there's one account where the, where the students get into an altercation

00:36:37.540 and a white student basically, you know, gets beaten up. And, uh, then some of his friends are

00:36:46.560 like, well, they start getting angry and just the way it's written about it's as if like, well,

00:36:52.320 none of the people like really nobody has the right to be except, uh, to be upset about that

00:36:58.640 white kid being beaten up. Right. It's just written in such a way as if like, yeah, all of your concerns

00:37:05.580 are racist, but they're de facto already bad and racist. And then on the other hand, if you're from 0.50

00:37:13.500 the black community, all your concerns are absolutely valid. You've got a right to be angry. 1.00

00:37:18.460 You've got a, and, and this, this, I mean, in this country, we talk about two tier justice

00:37:23.960 or, you know, there's a nickname for Keir Starmer, two, two tier Keir. But it, for me,

00:37:30.220 it was really difficult not to see a complete, um, two different standards of expectations and

00:37:40.120 behavior, uh, and, and even kind of like moral, moral judgment placed on these two different

00:37:48.820 communities by a government agency. Uh, which I mean, if I was American, I'd find it even more

00:37:54.400 troubling than I do now. Cause it's, it's basically saying like, well, if you're, if you, if you happen

00:38:00.660 to be in that small W white part of America, uh, you're basically a second-class citizen. 0.60

00:38:06.920 Well, and again, it's hard to draw any other conclusion.

00:38:11.580 Well, and, and again, the, the amazing thing is that they manufactured so many of these situations.

00:38:17.020 So it's not just like they're handling some organic problem that bubbled up. Like they wanted

00:38:22.700 to disrupt white towns. They wanted to introduce racial tension. They wanted to artificially 0.71

00:38:29.040 diversify the United States and continue to do so to this day, to be clear, guys, like this is not

00:38:34.580 some ancient history we're uncovering. This is a, a, a organization that has actively been involved

00:38:40.320 to this day in manufacturing a particular type of community in the United States, knowing,

00:38:46.800 expecting violence, expecting the tension. And then, like you said, putting their thumb always on the

00:38:52.880 scale of minorities, always on the scale of immigrants, always on the scale of progressive clients.

00:38:59.040 So all of the things, you know, about race relations in the United States, all of the flare-ups, all of

00:39:04.620 the, the stories about all these horrible things white people did. And, you know, a lot of this

00:39:10.320 can be entirely manufactured by the CRS and has been. And so much of what you know about history and much

00:39:18.400 of what you know about race relations in the modern day, entirely manipulated always with the intention,

00:39:24.100 as, as you say, of putting the white community on the bottom and elevating every other community,

00:39:31.680 even, even when it goes beyond race, when it goes to trans kids and, and, and, and the other stuff.

00:39:37.180 Yeah. I mean, it's, it's basically, I mean, there's this tone as if to say, if you want to protect

00:39:43.800 the town you grew up in, or keep it looking the way that it did as you grew up, or you don't want

00:39:49.400 any newcomers there, or you, I don't know, object to the fact that, you know, importing a new group

00:39:57.840 like those Somalis may increase crime or something, you basically don't have a right to any of those 1.00

00:40:03.680 things. And there's a kind of a, there's almost like an aggression there, where it's like, how dare

00:40:10.520 you have a problem with what we're trying to do here. That's, that's, that's how it comes across

00:40:15.520 to me anyway. And it's a, yeah, I mean, basically it's a national scandal.

00:40:22.220 It should be. And honestly, it should be. And honestly, we're going to stay on this. It's being

00:40:28.640 buried right now. Obviously there's a lot going on in the news cycle right after this broke and,

00:40:33.460 you know, Rufo was sharing it out and lots of people were sharing it out. Obviously we have the

00:40:37.480 Trump Musk, you know, a breakup. And then right after that, we have obviously the continued LA

00:40:42.540 riots. However, that's probably a good time for us to transition a little bit to a discussion of

00:40:48.060 that because obviously as far as we know, because that budget has not been passed, the CRS could

00:40:54.360 still be active right now, could be on the ground in LA right now, likely is on the ground in LA right

00:40:59.940 now. And we have no idea what they're doing and Congress can't ask them, can't force them to

00:41:05.280 testify. Freedom of information, information act. Uh, it will not bring most of this to light.

00:41:11.340 So we can only speculate, but looking at what's happening right now, uh, in the United States

00:41:17.980 with the LA riots, what is your take? Because I think that this is actually really devastating for

00:41:24.140 the Democrats. This is the first thing they were able to really glom onto after Trump's win. They've

00:41:29.300 kind of been reeling. They don't know what to do. They decided to make like, uh, the deportation of a

00:41:34.340 gangbanger and a wife beater, like their, their top issue. And now with the LA riots, it's just so

00:41:40.180 clear that what we have here is a absolute need to mass support these people and to clean out the

00:41:46.940 federal bureaucracy and the state governments as well, because California is just allowing these

00:41:52.140 people to burn things down. They're basically, uh, you know, people have done threads, data Republican

00:41:56.420 laid this out, the number of organizations, many of which that are state funded, which are actually

00:42:00.700 organizing this. It's just insane. Yeah. I mean, I, I mean, for my, for my money,

00:42:06.140 I think Gavin Houston may have just cooked his chances of being president because I mean, how can

00:42:12.360 I put, I mean, I'm probably, I can probably say this from, you know, thousands of miles away over

00:42:16.460 this side of the pond, but I just don't understand how it can be the official position of elected

00:42:22.760 representatives in, you know, state level government or national level government, or how it can be the

00:42:29.400 position of one of your two main political parties that citizenship just doesn't matter.

00:42:38.220 You don't have a country if citizen, if, if, if a passport doesn't mean anything, right. Or if,

00:42:44.220 or if you're just rewarding people for sneaking across the border. Um, and this seems to be the

00:42:50.060 official position of that mayor who's in the, uh, in, in, in LA and, and now of Gavin Newsom. It's just

00:42:56.880 like, I mean, I have had the thought before is like, I didn't understand how the Democrat party

00:43:02.520 can be allowed because it surely has to be a record. Like they have to take an oath. Don't they

00:43:07.360 surely has to be a prerequisite to be an official at any level in the American government or, or, or

00:43:15.700 a state level that you, at least in the constitution of the United States of America. It's the classic.

00:43:22.140 Yeah. That you believe in the nation of America and that being an American citizen actually matters

00:43:27.500 for something. So, so, so, so this is a total non-star. It's just a nonsensical position for the

00:43:33.220 Democrats to have. Um, and I mean, I've been saying it for years now, all the Democrats have to do is

00:43:38.820 not be insane, but they just can't do it. And I, I mean, it would be the easiest thing in the world

00:43:44.820 for Gavin Newsom just to be like, right, we need to restore law and order. Actually, Donald, I'll work with

00:43:49.840 you on this one because clearly the situation is out of control. Didn't do it. And look at them

00:43:54.740 now. I mean, it's just, it's just, I mean, they've, they've managed something I thought

00:44:00.340 impossible, Aaron, which is to be more insane than our Labour party over here. You say what

00:44:05.660 you want about Keir Starmer, at least he kind of vaguely believes in the, in the notion of

00:44:11.420 law or being a British citizen actually meaning something. That doesn't seem to be a position

00:44:16.780 in the Democrat party at the moment. It's just not a viable position.

00:44:22.100 Well, and it's so wild because these are the same people who went on and on about the fact

00:44:26.640 that like Russia bought, I don't know, like five grand worth of Facebook ads during the

00:44:31.200 election and they were manipulating the election and we had to sanction Russia and we have to 0.90

00:44:35.220 go to war with Russia over this. But then you have the president of Mexico who literally

00:44:41.520 said, these are my people. Like the, the, the immigrants just weighing late or laying waste 1.00

00:44:47.880 to the propositional nation, a hundred percent being like, these are my people. These are my

00:44:53.120 countrymen. Their job is to send money back to us. And so you guys are trying to tax the money

00:44:58.360 they're going to send back to us to keep our economy going. So we're going to encourage these 0.99

00:45:03.160 protests. We're actually going to tell them to continue and put more pressure on the U S

00:45:07.760 government just outright admitting that the Mexican diaspora in the United States is not a bunch of

00:45:12.760 people who came here for better lives. And yeah, they want to chase the American dream. No, it's

00:45:17.840 people who think of themselves as Mexicans who will always be Mexicans, who the Mexican government

00:45:22.460 considers to be basically agents inside the United States working for their interests. How, how can you

00:45:30.180 as a American political party align yourself with that and survive? It's just absolutely madness.

00:45:36.660 I mean, will it ever get to a point where just the American people, government, anybody with a sense

00:45:43.880 just says like, look, look, this party, this, this Democrat party has clearly lost its way to a point

00:45:48.840 has become corrupt to a point where we just can't allow them anymore. Right. I'm not saying there can't

00:45:54.220 be a left-wing political party in America. I'm just saying like this Democrat party that stands now.

00:45:59.440 I mean, it's a problem that you, you, you, you lit it's, I mean, what would the word is treason?

00:46:05.900 Basically it's treason. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. There's, there's no other way to describe what's

00:46:13.040 going on there. It's a criminal organization. It's treasonous. Uh, there, there's simply no other

00:46:19.200 way to, to frame that. And they're obviously now trying to spread these protests across the United

00:46:24.200 States. They're looking to do the BLM chain, right? This is, this is the new BLM. This is the

00:46:28.540 new suburb of love they're hoping for. And I think that's just insane. And, and again, um, you know,

00:46:35.260 we know so much of this is top down, right? We know so much of this is managed, but at this point,

00:46:40.020 you have to say that if there is an adult in the room, if there are sane people, they simply don't

00:46:45.440 control this anymore because there is no way anyone with any kind of political acumen is looking at

00:46:52.080 at what's happening in LA and saying, you know what the democratic party needs? 10 more of these

00:46:56.560 riots. That's what's going to do it. That's when it's going to defeat Trump. Like I just, I think

00:47:00.720 it's, uh, I think it's self-destructive. I think they're, they're committing political suicide.

00:47:05.420 Is there any, um, is there any kind of legs to the idea that, cause I, Gavin, every time I see

00:47:12.100 Gavin Newsom, he's like goading Trump to arrest him as if he's like a student activist or something.

00:47:16.760 Is there any, uh, is there any possibility of any of these people actually being arrested by the

00:47:20.700 federal government for dereliction of duty or something? Because they seem to be asking for

00:47:25.560 it. My guess is if the Trump administration was going to go after someone, it would not be

00:47:30.160 arresting the officials because of the optics involved. However, what they could do, and I

00:47:34.840 think they should do is start arresting organizers and activists. So you, you are involved in, uh,

00:47:40.840 the furtherance of criminal activity. You're involved in organizing violence. Uh, we're just going to

00:47:46.380 snatch you off the street. We're just, we see you out there. We see you, uh, you know,

00:47:50.800 facilitating this, handing out money, handing out, uh, you know, signs, building these shields that

00:47:56.500 they carry around as signs. We're just going to snag you and detain you because you're dangerous.

00:48:01.200 You cannot be allowed to operate in this area. Uh, I think that would be probably the way to go

00:48:05.840 roll up these NGOs involved, roll up the, the activists, because if you go directly after the

00:48:11.320 political opposition, that looks bad. However, the activists, I think are pretty fair game.

00:48:16.720 One, one thing I have been cheered, cheered by is that unlike 2020, um, it seems like Trump's not

00:48:24.460 messing around this time. I mean, last I saw the Marines have gone in and that they were actually

00:48:29.500 dying down a little bit. So, I mean, that's been great to see, to be honest, because they shouldn't

00:48:35.960 be allowed. I mean, why should these people be allowed to just get away with burning things down,

00:48:41.100 causing chaos, burning cars, you know, um, especially if some of them, and I'm sure some

00:48:48.280 of them are, aren't even legally here. Oh no, of course not. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. And, and, and I'm

00:48:56.100 also very heartened by the Trump administration's response this time. Last time, I think the idea

00:49:01.180 was, well, one, we don't know how to handle this, but also two, uh, you know, it's going to look bad

00:49:06.080 for us to break up these riots. It's going to look bad, uh, for us to go in on this stuff. This

00:49:10.640 time, the Trump administration knows that actually letting these things burn out is not an option

00:49:15.240 that it will just destroy them. Also, I think this is, but to be honest, I think this is a dynamic,

00:49:19.840 uh, the fact that these are Hispanic riots instead of black riots matter because while, you know, 0.67

00:49:26.640 the left loves its minorities, let's be honest, black Americans have this kind of political shield

00:49:32.400 in the United States. They have the sacred status as the oppressed minority that grants you, 0.99

00:49:36.900 you know, uh, basically a plot armor when it comes to anything that's going on.

00:49:41.480 So the summer of love could operate the way it did. You know, there's lots of white Antifa guys 0.80

00:49:46.560 out there, but it's the black rioters that really give it cover this time. Obviously there are still 1.00

00:49:51.400 some black rioters out there, but the majority of people involved are not black. And I think that 0.75

00:49:56.420 actually matters quite a bit as to what the Trump administration can do in this arena.

00:50:01.460 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I was, I was watching some, um, uh, liberal coverage of this, uh, yesterday,

00:50:09.140 uh, you know, in our, in our media, horrible channel called LBC, which is kind of shitlib central.

00:50:15.540 I don't know why I watch it because my blood pressure can't really handle it, but they, they

00:50:20.580 actually mentioned that Trump was actively being undermined in 2020, that he wanted to do it. And

00:50:26.480 people like Millie and, and other, other individuals then were undermining him or

00:50:31.760 wouldn't give him the clearance that he wanted. Whereas, and they were saying this was a bad

00:50:36.480 thing, obviously, um, uh, that now all of those kind of checks and balances aren't there in Trump

00:50:43.940 2.0 because he's got his own people there and he's kind of made sure that there, there's not going

00:50:49.760 to be any insubordination, you know, in the liberal media, they think this is a fact that they think this

00:50:54.280 is fascism by the way. Yeah. Fascism by the way is anytime, anyone who's not a leftist uses power

00:51:02.040 is fascism. But yeah, I don't really understand the, the liberal media position either. Cause they

00:51:07.600 seem to be also on the side of the, of the protests in this country. It's bizarre.

00:51:14.360 Well, it's just an admission of the deep state, right? It's just a total admission that the deep

00:51:18.720 state is real. And that's what they expected to govern with because they're like, well, of course,

00:51:22.520 anytime Trump tries to do something, his own executive branch will stop him because it's

00:51:27.920 actually full of our guys. And there is, it doesn't matter what you do. Your elections don't

00:51:32.080 matter at all because we control the apparatus. We control the actual executive branch. We control

00:51:37.960 all the government agencies. So it's cute that you want to elect somebody like Donald Trump,

00:51:41.640 but ultimately he's not going to be able to do what he wants to do because we expect we built into

00:51:46.000 the system, the idea that these guys are going to stand up to him this time. You know, a lot of people

00:51:50.320 gave Trump a lot of guff, like Pete Hegseth, a former Fox news host into this position. But you

00:51:57.060 know, the reason he did that is because these guys owe the system, nothing. Yeah. People like Tulsi

00:52:02.680 Gabbard, people like RFK jr. People like Pete Hegseth. Yeah. They might be wild. They might not be as

00:52:08.100 buttoned down as you like. They may not give you the exact ideological answer you want, but every one

00:52:12.480 of them shares the same trait. The people who run these organizations used to be hated by these

00:52:18.460 organizations. So they're not here to ingratiate themselves in with the DOD or any of this stuff.

00:52:23.980 They're there to do what Trump tells them to do. And so finally, they're actually getting stuff done.

00:52:29.960 One of the strangest things about the coverage I saw, though, was this idea that

00:52:34.540 Trump kind of doesn't need to do this. And he's basically deliberately trying to make things worse

00:52:42.320 to capitalize on the situation and that he's loving it and that his supporters are just loving the

00:52:47.760 violence. Almost like Trump made this happen. It was even suggested that he needed a distraction

00:52:53.960 from the Elon Musk thing. And so it was almost like watching it was almost like Trump had made

00:52:59.960 this happen in some way. I don't know if that's being mirrored by the likes of MSNBC and CNN over

00:53:06.540 there, but it's a bizarre. It's like nobody has any agency in this situation apart from

00:53:12.080 Trump. I don't get it. It's like it's not like Trump asked these people to go out and

00:53:16.900 riot like he made it happen. It was sounding pretty blue and on, to be honest, the stuff

00:53:22.660 I watched. So I find that angle very strange.

00:53:26.620 They've got to do that because what else are they going to say, right? Like they can't just

00:53:29.820 be like, yes, of course, actually, there are basically forward and combatants on your

00:53:34.300 soil doing damage in the name of retaking Mexico or retaking California for Mexico and screaming 0.82

00:53:41.020 La Raza, the race, as they do it. Like that's a little too obvious, right? So they've got to 1.00

00:53:46.840 spin some kind of narrative. And yeah, the only thing they've got is, well, Trump manufactured

00:53:50.900 all of the stuff artificially, which is something that can only be believed by like a crazy wine

00:53:56.660 ant watching MSNBC or LBC. So, so that's, that's, that it's not playing with anybody else,

00:54:02.720 right? The only people it can go to is the core constituency of hard left-wing progressives

00:54:08.300 who need the world reframed for them. It's, I don't think that that narrative is taking

00:54:13.340 any kind of real claim on the rest of the United States or maybe Britain. I don't know

00:54:19.100 how it plays over there, but I don't think it plays well here.

00:54:22.620 Yeah. Well, I mean, it's the same everywhere. Our normal people see it, you know, for what

00:54:27.720 it is, but you know, there's a, there's a liberal elite in every country. Another thing I noticed

00:54:35.100 they did is that they played pure friend enemy distinction with it. You know, oh, well, these

00:54:40.760 are our clients. Therefore it's bad if the police go hard on them, but let's not forget

00:54:46.180 when it was a anti-lockdown protest, when it was truckers in Canada, when it was the Southport

00:54:53.340 riots, they, you know, they couldn't get enough of it then. January 6th. Yeah. And the ultimate,

00:54:58.880 January the 6th, they couldn't get enough of it then. That's protecting democracy, right?

00:55:04.260 Whereas, you know, if it's, if it's, you know, the National Guard's being called on these guys,

00:55:10.860 well, that's fascism. So there was a lot of that going on. Where I think things are good 0.95

00:55:17.020 now though, is that I don't think anybody's listening to them anymore. I think anybody, I think

00:55:21.180 the number of people who actually believe that is shrinking all the time.

00:55:26.660 Well, uh, we have a number of super chats built up, so we should probably get to those, but it's

00:55:31.860 been great talking to you about this. Obviously this is, I think a huge new story. I think we need

00:55:36.700 to continue to push this into, uh, the popular zeitgeist. I think we need to talk about repealing

00:55:43.240 or replacing, uh, parts of the civil rights act that protect organizations like this and mandate

00:55:48.780 their existence. And so, uh, we're, we're not going to let this one get buried. Uh, but before

00:55:53.640 we go to the questions of the people, uh, where can people find your great work?

00:55:57.740 Well, I, I have a YouTube channel academic agent, which you'll find on YouTube, which is

00:56:02.240 whack it in. Uh, I have a sub stack, which is called the forbidden, uh, texts. And I'm on,

00:56:08.040 I'm on Twitter as well as, uh, academic agent on X, which sounds a bit boomery, but somebody 0.88

00:56:15.600 taken, somebody taken the name academic agent. So I had to call myself that, um, with rolling

00:56:21.580 rat gone, you know, there's only so many options. Yeah, exactly. And somebody's taken that now

00:56:26.680 as well. All right, guys, let's, uh, yeah, make sure you're, I'm sure most of you have

00:56:34.080 already, uh, subscribed to academic agent, but if for some reason you have not make sure

00:56:37.860 to check out his work and, uh, you know, you've got some college courses over there. People

00:56:40.800 could try out, right. They should. Yeah. Trivium, uh, uh, uh, uh,

00:56:45.600 foundations of Shakespeare is the latest one by it now as many hundreds, thousands of people

00:56:51.500 have done. Excellent. All right. Let's see here. We've got, uh, Brom Zwingle who says,

00:56:57.140 uh, uh, uh, talking with Orin, maybe my future mother-in-law will finally check out AA's work. 0.97

00:57:02.780 She's already watches and loves Orin. Well, AA of course has been on many times and I've been

00:57:07.460 on his channel. So, uh, yeah, absolutely. Crossover is there. Uh, based future says what particular

00:57:14.740 cigar did, uh, will you be sending AA? Uh, as, as we already discussed guys, we did call

00:57:20.060 the cigar slam. I think, uh, we, we can see that both, uh, you know, much of this is top

00:57:25.260 down and managed, but also, uh, much of this is out of control. The people managing it don't

00:57:29.840 seem to have, uh, great instincts any longer, uh, or restraint. So I think, uh, both of us

00:57:35.220 proved points in that particular discussion. I think the Democrats have shown that they just

00:57:40.240 cannot moderate, even if they want to, they, they're just too, they're just too mental.

00:57:44.440 This, this, uh, LA thing would have been the time, especially if Gavin Newsom wants to be

00:57:50.640 the president. And he was, he was already trying, he was already trying to do that. I don't know

00:57:54.800 if you remember this, but Gavin Newsom was dialing back the rhetoric, dialing back some of the

00:57:59.560 woke rhetoric. He was attempting to, he was having conversations with guys like Charlie Kirk

00:58:03.700 woke on his podcast. He was trying to tack back to the center. And then this just blew.

00:58:08.960 So like, like I said, you, they know they should put the woke away. They know that's the right 1.00

00:58:13.400 move, but they just can't that like, they literally like even a guy like Newsom, who's

00:58:17.780 an entirely, you know, a, uh, moral political animal ultimately can't control, can't walk away

00:58:24.720 from it because that's what his party wants.

00:58:27.160 The problem they've got and a similar thing happened in this country, right? Keir Starmer is

00:58:31.520 trying to use the Tony Blair playbook. He's trying to, he gave a speech a couple of weeks

00:58:35.680 back and was compared to Enoch Powell, right? This is how far Labour are trying to, you know,

00:58:41.160 That was an amazing moment.

00:58:42.120 Right. Strategy. He said, you know, uh, immigration has been a disaster. Uh, it's called the islands

00:58:48.220 of stranger speech. If you're an American, you haven't watched it. It's a, it's a kind of

00:58:52.380 historic speech that he gave, but the trouble is, is that six months ago riots took place and

00:58:59.180 he came out and locked up a pile of people and called anybody who was concerned about

00:59:03.340 it far. Right. So, so this is the trouble. It's things keep on happening that are catching

00:59:09.020 the left on the hop, you know, what, while they're trying to do this transition. So they're

00:59:14.240 being forced into going back to, you know, that they're kind of their stupid woke mode while 1.00

00:59:21.300 they're trying to do this transition. And, and of course, everybody remembers it in real 0.99

00:59:25.140 time. You know, it's Kiyosama can't walk. He's going to have to come out and say, I apologize

00:59:30.280 to the nation for, uh, you know, calling you all far right. And, uh, but I don't know, like,

00:59:35.540 how does Gavin Newsom walk this back? He can't, he can't walk it back. Right. So it's kind of.

00:59:40.920 And again, he's, he's trying to play the middle, but it's just not working. And his, you know,

00:59:45.500 ultimately the, his foot soldiers are demanding of him that he hold to the ideology that he sold

00:59:52.300 to them previously. So again, he knows, he knows he shouldn't be doing this. He tried to

00:59:57.060 escape it, but he just got pulled back in. Uh, Broman Hank says to the people in chat asking

01:00:03.060 about Sagar Slam, this has been retconned and is no longer canon by order of management.

01:00:08.480 We, uh, we, we, uh, Stalin the Sagar Slam. It's just been pushed out of the picture off the boat.

01:00:14.220 You know, I will say that I, I was on an event last week, uh, which was all about woke rights.

01:00:20.020 And there were tons and tons of graphs and things like that showing that on paper,

01:00:25.520 at least it peaked in 2020, 2021 with the summer of love with, uh, and, uh, if there was a guy,

01:00:32.540 Eric Kaufman, who you may have heard of, he's got loads and loads of stats. The trouble that the

01:00:38.240 trouble they've got, uh, which you have correctly identified and which a lot of speakers at this

01:00:43.480 event were saying is that it's like how the people on the ground level, the people who bought into this

01:00:52.920 stuff, the people who've actually transitioned, for example, or the people who've like made their

01:00:57.900 name in this, how do you walk this stuff back now? How do you moderate from where you've been?

01:01:03.500 Um, and how do you like, so on the actual ground level, like at the level of an individual college

01:01:11.600 or university or institution where these people are still in situ, it's like, they've got the idea.

01:01:19.260 So, so I was basically right on, they want to do it, but I think you were right on, it's going to be

01:01:26.660 tricky to actually do it because they just can't stop being crazy.

01:01:30.520 Well, I've sat in these meetings. I was in, I was teaching at a public high school. I have sat

01:01:37.700 there while a, you know, morbidly obese 60 year old, uh, you know, woman cries that her trans babies 0.91

01:01:46.080 might be taken away from, like, I know who these people are. I've looked them in the eyes.

01:01:50.740 It, they, they would die before they walked away from this ideology. It's literally all they have.

01:01:56.280 So that's why I made the prediction. I did. I never, you know, ultimately you were always

01:02:00.500 right about what the elites would do, but I, I had a feeling in my bones, like, no, they've,

01:02:07.200 they, they've gone too far. Too many people have built their entire, maybe in a generation,

01:02:12.080 they could walk away from this, but there is no way they could just do a pivot on it. It just,

01:02:16.860 there's, there's too much in the system that lives. It would be like trying to get rid of

01:02:21.400 the civil rights movement from the left. It is the left at this point, right? That, that,

01:02:26.380 that, and now the civil rights movement has become this, and there's just nothing they can do about

01:02:30.740 it, even if they want to, even if they know they should. Matt Gradier said, why would white people

01:02:35.120 in the government in the fifties set up a secret agency to oppress their own people on behalf of

01:02:40.240 minorities? Was it something different at the inception and involved in, and it evolved into this?

01:02:45.900 Well, all I'll say is, is that with the exception of Lyndon B. Johnson, a lot of the people who were

01:02:53.340 involved could be considered, you know, as part of one minority group or another. I'll just separate

01:02:59.280 it that way. They would not see the people they were manipulating as their people. It'd be probably

01:03:04.480 the right way. Exactly. And you can, you can read the book and have a look to see who's,

01:03:09.040 who's involved. They're pretty open about it.

01:03:10.960 Perspicacious Heretic says, what was the point of all this? It seems to have hurt all the

01:03:16.720 communities involved. What was the, what about integrating people in this way gains power? Oh,

01:03:22.380 everything, man. So if you break apart cohesive, I wrote a book about this. If you break apart

01:03:28.040 cohesive communities, you gain power as the government. If you break apart those natural,

01:03:33.920 organic social organizations, it frees up the energy and the dependence that the government requires,

01:03:40.780 in order to take power. So everything about destroying holistic organic communities

01:03:45.960 gains you power. It might destroy functionality eventually. And that's what we're hitting the

01:03:52.020 wall with when it comes to the competency crisis and other things. But in the short term, that's how

01:03:57.040 you gain the power is by breaking down those alternative communal structures that would otherwise

01:04:01.700 take, you know, take on power that the government couldn't have access to.

01:04:06.100 Yeah. I mean, we've talked so many times before about Bertrand de Juvenal and the high, low,

01:04:13.340 middle mechanism. This is one of the, one of the clearest applied examples of it, because it's

01:04:19.160 literally like, you know, I've talked before about rival castles. Every, any, every single one of

01:04:25.400 those lily white towns is a potential rival castle. So they're literally using these minority groups as 0.93

01:04:33.560 human weapons in a way. Um, I mean, it's, it's kind of in microcosm, what happens in the bigger

01:04:42.880 picture with it, with mass immigration. It's exactly the same play. It's you're bringing in

01:04:48.740 people outside America's big enough that internal immigration is probably not talked about enough.

01:04:54.940 Right. But it's, you, it's basically using internal immigration as a way to completely transform areas. 0.71

01:05:02.000 And, um, I mean, really it's political power. It is tipping the scales, um, of political power

01:05:10.920 towards the minority groups and away from the white groups in order to capture town after town, 0.93

01:05:17.320 state after state, county after county. Um, yeah, it's kind of really sinister.

01:05:23.860 Absolutely. Uh, Sergeant, uh, would I, uh, says, AA, thanks. Uh, uh, thanks everything. I see

01:05:32.720 a lot of challenges to the boomer truth regime, but not enough crediting your work.

01:05:39.200 Certainly a lot of, well, all I'll say is that the, I mean, boomer truth regime is just the name I've

01:05:47.360 given to the waters that we swim in. The fact is the water's still there. So many, many, many other

01:05:55.320 people will be able to see the truth of what those waters are. So it's like, I wouldn't necessarily say

01:06:01.960 that I would always need to be credited when somebody figures out that our foreign policy has

01:06:07.520 been basically Winston Churchill ever since 1945. Every single war is world war two. Again, you know,

01:06:15.560 every enemy is Hitler, uh, you know, anybody who's against any war is automatically Neville Chamberlain.

01:06:22.060 You know, we all know this stuff. And then on the flip side, any limitation to, um, individual,

01:06:29.060 uh, expression or, you know, uh, me being able to, uh, you know, have a, have a kind of any restraint

01:06:39.880 on my individuality, my individual expression, um, is seen as bad. Whereas letting it go in an

01:06:48.000 unlimited way is seen as the ultimate good. I think like, because that is the society that we live

01:06:53.540 in, lots and lots of people are going to be able to see the same thing. Right.

01:06:57.060 Paladin YYZ says, I think that AA is trying to say is that woke was put away, but, uh, but it had,

01:07:05.680 but it, uh, I'm not sure what that, uh, probably had not been for unlawful interference to the

01:07:12.100 contrary. And, uh, what amount of, uh, that a Monte Cristo would be nice.

01:07:17.460 Well, I requested a padron, if you remember, but I actually, I actually have my hands on a padron

01:07:24.000 and I was considering like bringing, having one like on air, but, um, no, I think that the whole

01:07:31.600 ecstasy, one of the reasons why I wanted to stop talking about the bet, Aaron, is because

01:07:37.660 it started out as a, as a genuine kind of intellectual and academic question as to how things work and

01:07:46.400 what were the limits of top down power and to what extent, um, you know, is idea to what extent

01:07:54.140 are the elites pragmatic or ideological and all of these sorts of questions. And basically what

01:07:59.940 happened is that when we made the bet, I felt that all of the positions got too entrenched and the

01:08:05.580 genuine, like the interesting bit seemed to go missing. So I was like, right, well, let's stop doing

01:08:10.500 this. Cause so, you know, every time we, we talk, it doesn't turn into a battle over,

01:08:16.160 a battle over this because ultimately as with many things that, you know, the truth is

01:08:22.240 somewhere in between.

01:08:23.900 We did our pro wrestling work a little too well and people started getting so thoroughly on one

01:08:30.360 side or the other that you couldn't say anything without half of the fans coming in and screaming

01:08:35.440 at you. And we couldn't do the analysis anymore because it was more about people screaming at each

01:08:40.120 other than it was about us actually breaking stuff down. That's why we put the cigar slam away.

01:08:44.200 Yeah. This is, this is, uh, something that happens is a known phenomenon in pro wrestling

01:08:48.780 when a work turns into a shoot or it becomes like real, you know, then it's like Bret Hart

01:08:54.120 actually thinks he's the real world champion. You know, you know, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels

01:08:58.720 actually hated each other because you know, the lines get blurred. Um, and, uh, you know,

01:09:04.400 I thought, well, you know, we, we don't want to, we were only doing it for box office type

01:09:10.020 thing. So, uh, we're friends. We're not looking to like blow each other up over this.

01:09:14.600 Yeah, exactly. Right. Uh, Charlie Mickey says, both of you guys, uh, make great stuff. Thank

01:09:20.800 you for the stream. Well, thank you very much guys. Appreciate it. Uh, pal and YYZ says if

01:09:25.360 only a power could be achieved through the collection of receipts on your enemies. Well, sometimes

01:09:30.360 it can, to be fair at the very least, uh, you can, you can make advances with it. So I think

01:09:35.720 you can de-legitimize, it can be a de-legitimization process. Exactly. Um, you know, to expose things

01:09:42.620 that had been presented to the public. I mean, let's face it, it tricked the public many, many,

01:09:47.040 many, many times. If they, if they think narrative control is important, then you breaking the

01:09:51.340 narrative control is important. That's I think pretty straightforward. Uh, Daniel Hall says BLM 0.89

01:09:56.820 was unleashed during the Floyd riots on behalf of private equity by the CRS and Democrats. Local

01:10:02.680 businesses were targeted, forcing owners to walk away. Blackrock started buying commercial

01:10:06.360 property. Yeah. I don't think we still talk enough about the fact that the BLM riots were

01:10:11.360 a financial tool and a tool of power, not just for the wokeness and the social disruption and all of

01:10:16.720 the culture war stuff, but literally fiscally, it was a coup to destroy what was left of middle 0.53

01:10:21.820 America. It is Sam Francis's, uh, prediction that basically hard property of the middle class

01:10:28.520 needs to be destroyed for Leviathan to gain the type of strength it's looking for.

01:10:32.680 They, they were just playing it out in real life.

01:10:36.620 Yeah. Um, I don't want to say too much more because the one time I talked about that,

01:10:41.740 one of the few streams I had taken off YouTube, was that name, uh, Chris, Christine fits or

01:10:46.280 something. I just remembered that, um, me and, uh, Steven Carson back in the day reviewed that.

01:10:52.400 And it's one of the very few videos that was wrenched down off YouTube for some reason.

01:10:55.980 I still don't know why. Uh, so yeah, I'm aware, I'm aware of that theory though. And that for some

01:11:02.240 people have mapped it out. Maybe, uh, maybe me and Mr. Carson can recreate that and see what

01:11:07.000 happens. Yeah. Uh, dash here says, I wonder, uh, what the CRS does for intra-minority crime. They seem

01:11:15.500 to have let the, uh, the Mexicans win the LA race war. Compton is Hispanic now. Yeah. That is 0.95

01:11:20.860 another interesting dynamic is that the black community and the Hispanic community do not get

01:11:25.420 along, especially in, uh, LA because of the tensions there. Um, the CRS doesn't really have

01:11:31.980 to downplay minority crime. And, uh, because, uh, the media is already trained not to cover this 0.91

01:11:37.400 intra-minority crime. It, crime really doesn't matter for the media until it spills out into 0.58

01:11:42.780 white neighborhoods. I know that sounds like a progressive talking point, but it's really true. 1.00

01:11:46.820 I, I, again, I've been a news reporter. I have been in the room when they decide what to cover

01:11:51.780 and where. And, uh, the, honestly the like sheriff's office barely even bothers to put out reports

01:11:57.060 of intra-minority crime. They almost never even do press conferences about those. Uh, because really

01:12:03.120 the idea is if you can just kind of have them in a corner and they're not hurting anyone else,

01:12:07.500 then kind of let them do what they want. And this only got amplified after BLM and the, and what Steve

01:12:12.900 Saylor, uh, called the Ferguson effect, uh, because really cops just learned that you, you just don't

01:12:18.260 police minority neighborhoods. That that's the answer to it. The, the, the overriding concern 0.99

01:12:22.500 from what I gleaned, uh, reading this book, uh, on the CRS is what we might describe as perception

01:12:28.900 management, but the perception really is of white America. That's who they care that that those are the

01:12:36.100 of minds they're trying to form and keep contained. It's, it's white backlash. Um, it is, uh, white 0.68

01:12:44.180 perception of, of, of race. That's what they care about the black community in terms of them actually

01:12:50.660 caring about the black community. It's like, yeah, just don't go Malcolm X guys. Okay. You can, 0.78

01:12:56.500 you can write a bit, but just don't, not too far because then, you know, the, the rednecks might 1.00

01:13:03.940 get angry type thing. Um, but really a lot of the focus I would say is on white America,

01:13:10.260 as opposed to black American to, to be really frank and like, just really blunt about it.

01:13:14.500 The purpose of the CRS is to say, uh, our police aren't probably going to handle, handle these

01:13:19.780 problems, but we don't want, uh, you know, uh, a bunch of, you know, uh, white guys to get together

01:13:26.180 with shotguns and line up and fight back that that's what they're there to prevent. They're there to

01:13:30.980 prevent, like the police might try to manage the, the right a little bit, but ultimately they're not

01:13:36.100 really going to get in there and mix it up. But if the neighborhood shows up to try to push back,

01:13:40.420 that's what the CRS is there to prevent. Uh, Matt Greer says, uh, did you, uh, all see Gavin

01:13:47.460 Newsom's tweet appealing to the founders and how they were horrified by Trump? Uh, then he immediately

01:13:52.420 followed up by tweeting the same thing in Spanish. I did not, but that is an amazing moment. Uh,

01:13:58.100 I might have to go back and check that out. That's amazing. Uh, creeper weirdo says blue

01:14:02.980 anon needs to be mocked more. It's so bad. I mean, yeah, they're, they're, uh, they talk about, 0.97

01:14:08.180 uh, conspiracy theories on the right, but there's are, are even more insane. QAnon has nothing

01:14:13.460 on what the left actually believes about the United States and its political enemies.

01:14:17.780 But, but increasingly it's just the liberal media, but that they are very close. I mean,

01:14:23.380 there's a guy in this country, Rory Stewart saying, you know, what, what is it that Trump wants?

01:14:28.020 You know, it's like, well, it can never be, he's actually reacting to a real thing. 0.72

01:14:33.460 It's always, he's manufactured this, you know, because he's secretly a fascist or something.

01:14:39.780 Kyle Jones says, great analysis, gents. Uh, Oren, please set up a discussion between 0.82

01:14:44.180 AA and Dave Smith on free markets. AA's discussion with Dan of Lotus Eaters are great.

01:14:48.420 It's Dave's only autistic take. Actually, that would be fascinating. I would love to see

01:14:52.580 you and Dave Smith have a discussion on a lot of levels. Actually, you, you, you guys would have

01:14:57.220 a very interesting discussion, I think on, on foreign relations and a lot of other things as well.

01:15:01.060 So I would definitely enjoy that. I just want to say that despite his libertarianism,

01:15:07.620 I came from a libertarian background. So I'm, it's like, I can never be too

01:15:12.340 harsh and libertarians because I'm having to go at myself from like five, six years ago.

01:15:16.260 I do think Dave Smith has done some great stuff in past six months or so. He's really, uh,

01:15:21.940 being quite brave. I think, uh, in, in, in some of his, uh, you know, I, I saw him on Tucker. I saw

01:15:28.580 his various debates and things. He's one of the people who's making interesting things happen

01:15:34.340 over there. So yeah, I kind of like him.

01:15:36.580 Kyle Jones- Enrico Palazzo says, uh, more AA less Doug Wilson AA saved my life.

01:15:43.460 Well, see the beauty of the show is you can see both Doug Wilson and AA in the same space.

01:15:48.660 If you don't understand the value of that, then you don't understand the value of, of messaging.

01:15:53.620 Uh, let's see here. Uh, CherubCow says, thanks. Well, thank you very much, sir. Definitely appreciate that.

01:16:00.660 Uh, CyberChud says, please do more streams together. Thank you. Yes. We'll, we'll try to do this, uh,

01:16:06.260 on a more regular basis. I know a lot of people enjoy the crossover.

01:16:09.780 Uh, BloodBase here was just a donation. Thank you very much, sir. Same with Will, uh, William McDuff,

01:16:15.940 uh, there. Appreciate it. Uh, let's see here. Perspicacious Heretic again says, I don't really

01:16:20.980 care what is causing woke to decline as long as it goes away onto the next abomination.

01:16:27.540 Well, they sure did try to do the economic Marxism pivot, but I don't, I don't think it took,

01:16:32.660 but the Bernie Sanders is not coming back. I don't, I don't think they can trot that

01:16:36.020 warhouse force out one more time. Uh, Enrico again says, uh, the London stand screw job.

01:16:42.100 I don't know that one, but it's wrestling, right? That was a, that was a Montreal screw draw was a,

01:16:46.980 was a famous event in pro wrestling history. Uh, Paladin again says in an interview with

01:16:53.300 Gene Simmons, he remarked that both the British rockers were much more flamboyant and theatrical.

01:16:58.340 They had catchphrases like buy it now and get out thoughts. I'm not sure if anybody ever

01:17:04.740 described me as flamboyant, you know, no, I would not say that many descriptors. That would not be

01:17:10.980 one. Maybe you need like a feather boa, you know, get the whole thing going on.

01:17:17.220 Uh, Michael Robertson says great stream guys. This stuff is very important, but most importantly,

01:17:21.460 get out. And on that note, you are the final super chat. So, uh, let's, let's go ahead and get

01:17:28.180 out as it were. Uh, thank you once again, AA for coming on. It's been a pleasure talking with you.

01:17:32.740 If for some reason you have not read his books or, uh, taken a course or anything like that,

01:17:38.420 you should most definitely check it out. If it's your first time on this channel,

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - June 11, 2025

The Shadowy Agency That Managed the Civil Right Revolution ｜ Guest： Academic Agent ｜ 6⧸11⧸25

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