The Auron MacIntyre Show - The State of National Conservatism ｜ 7⧸19⧸24

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00:00:30.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:32.140 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:34.000 I am Oren McIntyre.

00:00:36.740 So obviously the last few days

00:00:39.100 have been the RNC convention.

00:00:41.940 A lot of people were interested to see

00:00:43.520 how this would go after Donald Trump's

00:00:46.260 obviously almost miraculous dodge of a bullet

00:00:50.120 and how people would react,

00:00:52.240 what the festivities would be like,

00:00:53.860 would this impact the president to,

00:00:56.020 you know, possibly the next president.

00:00:58.360 Would this change his outlook?

00:01:00.920 Would he come in with a different demeanor?

00:01:03.280 And how would the Republican National Committee

00:01:06.780 itself go ahead and structure a day like this

00:01:09.080 after everything that had happened?

00:01:11.360 We'll be getting into that.

00:01:12.860 We'll also be getting into NatCon 4.

00:01:15.760 I attended that event last week.

00:01:17.160 I actually spoke at it last week

00:01:19.620 and it was actually supposed to be

00:01:21.460 what I was going to be talking about this Monday,

00:01:23.800 but obviously events over the weekend changed plans.

00:01:26.900 So I shuffled it down the schedule a little bit,

00:01:29.420 but I still want to talk about it

00:01:30.720 because I do think it's an important event.

00:01:32.940 It's an interesting scenario

00:01:34.080 where you have a lot of people

00:01:35.760 who obviously want a change

00:01:38.020 in the conservative movement.

00:01:39.680 They see the necessity of a change

00:01:41.980 in what is currently constituting

00:01:44.360 mainstream conservatism.

00:01:46.360 But there are many different factions involved.

00:01:48.940 They all share a few overlapping priorities.

00:01:51.540 They all know that Con Inc. is broken.

00:01:54.200 They tend to have a more populist,

00:01:56.360 nationalist-focused message.

00:01:58.660 However, there's a lot of jockeying for position,

00:02:01.320 many different people trying to exert influence.

00:02:04.160 I'm interested to break down some of the personalities,

00:02:07.180 some of the people,

00:02:07.940 some of the things I experienced there

00:02:09.700 and explain what I think is going on with that movement

00:02:12.580 and whether I think it could be the future of the right.

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00:03:45.720 All right, guys.

00:03:48.040 So let's begin with

00:03:49.460 the Republican National Convention.

00:03:51.720 I did not watch much of day one

00:03:54.180 or even, I'll be honest, most of day two.

00:03:57.540 Look, if this isn't your job

00:03:59.240 and you're watching all

00:04:00.380 of the Republican National Convention,

00:04:02.320 then, I don't know, get a hobby,

00:04:04.740 go for a run, you know, meet a lady.

00:04:07.660 I don't know what to tell you.

00:04:09.540 Find some more worthwhile pursuits.

00:04:11.620 Some of this matters, of course.

00:04:13.380 This is really a three-day pep rally.

00:04:16.140 A lot of people were posting

00:04:17.040 about how cringe this was on Twitter.

00:04:19.260 Oh, the convention is cringe.

00:04:21.020 Of course it's cringe, guys.

00:04:22.340 That's what it's for.

00:04:23.800 This is not high art.

00:04:25.100 That's not what these things are about.

00:04:26.940 This is about getting people excited.

00:04:28.940 This is about raising

00:04:30.000 everybody's level of attention

00:04:33.500 so that they can go ahead

00:04:34.460 and push out the vote,

00:04:35.760 encourage people, this kind of thing.

00:04:37.040 And it's really not about

00:04:39.760 putting on the most complex performance.

00:04:42.620 So, yeah, you've got a lot of people.

00:04:44.400 Many people didn't think she'd be there.

00:04:46.620 I think day one,

00:04:47.420 they had this Amber Rose person. 0.84

00:04:49.080 I'm not super familiar with her,

00:04:50.640 but she's got, like, the face tattoos. 0.97

00:04:52.640 Apparently, she is famous 0.82

00:04:55.380 for dating rappers, I guess.

00:04:57.900 A lot of people did not like her being there.

00:05:00.000 It didn't seem like the core audience

00:05:03.860 for a lot of the GOP,

00:05:05.580 but at the same time,

00:05:06.740 obviously, you're doing mass politics.

00:05:09.120 You don't like democracy?

00:05:10.320 Great. Me neither.

00:05:11.180 But as long as you're doing democracy

00:05:13.040 and you're doing mass politics,

00:05:15.280 unfortunately, you often appeal to,

00:05:18.020 I guess, these groups.

00:05:19.640 These are people who are not

00:05:20.760 generally going to go ahead

00:05:23.020 and vote for the GOP,

00:05:24.640 but might feel welcomed

00:05:25.980 by somebody like her.

00:05:27.420 I don't know.

00:05:27.820 I don't know the wisdom of that.

00:05:29.940 This is not something that I think

00:05:31.320 is just great in general,

00:05:32.560 but I understand

00:05:34.360 why someone like that

00:05:35.420 ends up on stage,

00:05:36.760 especially day one.

00:05:38.260 Day two, the highlight

00:05:39.980 was, of course, J.D. Vance's speech.

00:05:42.620 J.D. Vance's speech

00:05:44.140 drew some criticism

00:05:46.060 from both the liberal

00:05:48.000 and conservative spheres

00:05:49.400 for people who are uncomfortable

00:05:51.000 with just the basic idea

00:05:52.840 that America is a nation

00:05:53.940 and not an economic zone.

00:05:55.420 I'm actually going to do

00:05:56.280 a whole episode on that

00:05:58.020 on Monday, breaking it down,

00:05:59.380 so I'm not going to get in-depth

00:06:00.540 on that here now,

00:06:02.260 but I just want to say

00:06:03.520 that his speech was good.

00:06:05.280 It's the kind of thing

00:06:05.860 I want to hear.

00:06:06.980 I'm glad that he is somebody

00:06:08.440 who is behind Trump.

00:06:10.280 I had said that

00:06:11.580 of the people on the short list,

00:06:12.980 I thought he was the best.

00:06:14.740 I suggested that it was good

00:06:16.060 to pick somebody like J.D. Vance

00:06:17.420 because you want somebody

00:06:18.360 that they fear.

00:06:19.900 I said that before

00:06:20.700 Donald Trump got shot at,

00:06:23.300 and that becomes

00:06:24.220 even more important

00:06:25.200 after he's been shot at

00:06:26.580 because obviously

00:06:27.300 when you have opponents

00:06:28.300 that are willing,

00:06:29.220 he's radical political violence

00:06:30.840 in their efforts

00:06:32.000 to eliminate someone

00:06:33.300 from the political stage.

00:06:34.860 Having a guy like Vance

00:06:36.520 who is ideologically aligned

00:06:38.680 with Trump

00:06:39.120 and perhaps actually well

00:06:41.300 to his right on many issues

00:06:42.820 is really critically important.

00:06:45.200 A lot of people

00:06:45.680 are skittish on Vance

00:06:46.760 because he had one of these

00:06:48.780 come-to-Jesus MAGA moments.

00:06:50.960 I get that.

00:06:52.060 I understand.

00:06:53.280 Your selections are not perfect,

00:06:55.220 but I do think that ultimately

00:06:57.460 he is the right choice,

00:06:58.580 and he mirrored a lot

00:06:59.940 of the things

00:07:00.840 in his acceptance speech

00:07:02.560 that he had in his speech

00:07:05.340 at the National Conservatism Convention,

00:07:07.540 which, like I said,

00:07:08.220 I attended, I spoke at,

00:07:09.860 and I'll get more into that

00:07:11.000 when I get to his speech,

00:07:12.540 but very interesting.

00:07:13.980 I'm not sure that J.D. Vance

00:07:16.220 was selected before that shooting.

00:07:18.540 We don't know all the inner workings

00:07:20.680 of that decision.

00:07:21.740 We don't know all the behind the scenes,

00:07:23.100 but I've got a feeling

00:07:24.400 that perhaps J.D. Vance

00:07:25.860 was the post-attempted assassination choice,

00:07:29.520 not the pre-that-event choice,

00:07:31.920 and so I think that the dynamic there

00:07:33.880 is very interesting.

00:07:35.740 So his speech was obviously

00:07:36.840 a huge part of day two,

00:07:39.280 and then last night

00:07:40.540 we got a couple of very notable speeches.

00:07:44.060 We got Tucker.

00:07:45.160 Tucker is great.

00:07:46.260 Tucker is always great.

00:07:48.340 He does a great job

00:07:49.760 of weaving in a lot

00:07:51.600 of very relatable

00:07:52.580 anecdotes,

00:07:53.880 speaking a lot about faith,

00:07:55.660 speaking a lot about

00:07:56.540 who we are as people,

00:07:58.220 and he just did a great job

00:08:00.000 of doing what he does best,

00:08:02.320 which is being incredibly likable,

00:08:04.040 making some funny points

00:08:05.300 or some thoughtful points,

00:08:07.240 but ultimately keeping things

00:08:08.940 relatively pleasant

00:08:11.660 while saying important things.

00:08:13.000 He's got that gift

00:08:14.040 of delivering

00:08:14.840 very difficult truths

00:08:16.260 with a smile,

00:08:17.160 and that's something

00:08:17.720 that matters a lot

00:08:18.920 when you're trying

00:08:20.060 to communicate

00:08:21.040 what are very difficult things

00:08:23.240 to people

00:08:24.020 who you don't want

00:08:25.160 to be terrified,

00:08:25.800 don't want to be fear-mongered to.

00:08:27.820 A lot of people

00:08:28.660 will characterize Tucker

00:08:30.340 as some kind of fear-monger

00:08:31.640 on the left,

00:08:32.540 but he really is very good

00:08:34.000 at avoiding that.

00:08:35.280 It's a skill

00:08:35.840 that's very valuable,

00:08:36.960 and not enough people

00:08:37.700 actually recognize it

00:08:39.440 as something

00:08:39.920 that's very useful.

00:08:41.700 Hulk Hogan

00:08:42.420 was on stage.

00:08:43.660 Obviously,

00:08:43.960 you can tell

00:08:44.500 from the picture

00:08:45.160 that I have up there.

00:08:46.760 Hulk Hogan

00:08:47.220 was very entertaining.

00:08:49.340 As somebody

00:08:50.200 who's a child

00:08:51.140 of the late 80s,

00:08:52.060 early 90s,

00:08:52.900 Hulk Hogan

00:08:53.360 was an unescapable

00:08:54.360 fixture of culture.

00:08:56.200 I watched pro wrestling

00:08:57.440 as every kid

00:08:58.400 I knew did

00:08:59.400 at that time,

00:09:00.520 and so Hulk Hogan

00:09:01.280 was an icon.

00:09:03.080 I grew up

00:09:03.480 with all of those

00:09:04.260 Macho Man

00:09:05.740 and The Ultimate Warrior

00:09:06.700 and all those guys

00:09:08.020 that you would

00:09:09.280 associate

00:09:10.040 with that time period,

00:09:11.880 and Hulk

00:09:12.660 getting up on stage

00:09:13.620 and doing

00:09:14.060 the shirt tear

00:09:15.900 taking off

00:09:17.560 his jacket

00:09:18.160 that he was wearing

00:09:18.780 over the t-shirt

00:09:19.520 and then ripping off

00:09:20.620 his Hulk shirt

00:09:21.300 to reveal the Trump shirt.

00:09:22.960 It's beautiful.

00:09:23.960 It's exactly

00:09:24.800 what you'd expect,

00:09:25.880 but the moment

00:09:26.920 is still a little bit

00:09:27.700 of magic.

00:09:28.540 Yeah, it's cheesy.

00:09:29.540 Yeah, it's a little dumb,

00:09:31.120 but it's also fantastic.

00:09:33.360 So that was definitely

00:09:34.560 something that drew

00:09:35.180 a lot of attention,

00:09:36.000 and of course,

00:09:37.180 you had Trump's speech

00:09:38.100 itself.

00:09:39.180 Now, Trump's speech

00:09:40.260 was good.

00:09:41.340 There's a lot of

00:09:41.940 good stuff in it,

00:09:42.920 especially the early

00:09:44.380 section of

00:09:45.580 Trump's speech.

00:09:46.880 He spoke specifically

00:09:47.980 about the power of God

00:09:49.620 and that he would not

00:09:50.920 be here if it was not

00:09:51.780 for God.

00:09:52.420 He did a great job

00:09:53.760 of calling for unity.

00:09:56.020 It was something,

00:09:57.200 a moment,

00:09:57.760 you know,

00:09:58.080 you have to think

00:09:58.660 about this.

00:09:59.840 Donald Trump,

00:10:00.300 if Donald Trump

00:10:00.880 is who the media

00:10:01.700 said he was,

00:10:02.520 if Donald Trump

00:10:03.060 was this super scary

00:10:04.760 authoritarian leader.

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00:10:21.580 And with live TV,

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00:10:24.660 It's kind of like

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00:10:37.000 And that was really

00:10:37.900 the core of what

00:10:39.300 he wanted his administration

00:10:40.280 to be.

00:10:41.300 He had the perfect moment

00:10:42.820 to call for something radical.

00:10:45.300 He had the mandate

00:10:46.340 of his followers.

00:10:47.520 He had just survived

00:10:48.940 an assassination attempt.

00:10:50.180 It's very clear

00:10:50.940 that the left

00:10:51.900 is willing to use

00:10:53.320 violence to go ahead

00:10:54.920 and eliminate him.

00:10:56.380 They fear him that much.

00:10:57.660 If he wanted

00:10:58.720 to drive

00:11:00.060 his

00:11:01.000 followers

00:11:02.580 to the kind

00:11:04.240 of fervor

00:11:05.400 that the left

00:11:06.460 pretends

00:11:07.120 that Trump is after,

00:11:08.680 he absolutely

00:11:09.240 could have done that.

00:11:10.000 He had the perfect

00:11:10.700 moment to do that.

00:11:11.860 But instead,

00:11:13.060 the speech was about unity.

00:11:14.460 The speech was about

00:11:15.660 honoring

00:11:16.160 his crowd.

00:11:17.720 He spoke a lot about

00:11:18.600 how the crowd

00:11:19.320 was brave

00:11:20.040 when the gunshots

00:11:21.380 rang out,

00:11:22.060 that they didn't run,

00:11:23.220 they didn't stampede

00:11:24.020 out of there,

00:11:24.560 which is very true.

00:11:25.460 It's an amazing thing.

00:11:26.600 There is

00:11:28.260 a lot of truth

00:11:29.200 to the fact

00:11:29.580 that everyone

00:11:30.240 was captivated

00:11:31.420 in that moment

00:11:32.820 to see if Trump

00:11:33.620 was okay.

00:11:34.460 They're not running

00:11:35.160 for their own lives.

00:11:36.280 They're not trampling

00:11:36.980 each other.

00:11:37.560 That could have

00:11:38.100 very easily

00:11:38.820 been a disastrous

00:11:39.980 moment,

00:11:40.640 but instead,

00:11:41.780 everyone was transfixed

00:11:43.240 to see if Trump

00:11:44.240 was okay,

00:11:44.700 and the minute

00:11:45.040 he pops up

00:11:45.840 and is okay,

00:11:47.640 the crowd

00:11:48.420 is elated

00:11:49.440 instead of,

00:11:50.860 again,

00:11:51.120 just running

00:11:51.560 for their lives,

00:11:52.280 panicking,

00:11:52.880 trampling each other,

00:11:53.700 hurting each other.

00:11:54.320 That could have been

00:11:55.120 a huge disaster.

00:11:56.760 In fact,

00:11:57.160 you have to think

00:11:58.060 that perhaps

00:11:58.660 the shooter

00:11:59.540 or anyone

00:12:00.640 involved in the shooting

00:12:01.700 was planning on that,

00:12:03.540 was hoping

00:12:04.060 that that would be

00:12:04.960 the result

00:12:05.460 after Trump

00:12:06.140 is wounded,

00:12:06.900 but Trump's

00:12:07.900 incredible instinct

00:12:08.660 to stand up

00:12:09.560 and rally his people

00:12:10.640 and let them know

00:12:11.360 that he's okay

00:12:12.020 saves the crowd

00:12:13.760 from that panic,

00:12:14.600 and he gave a lot

00:12:15.340 of credit to them.

00:12:16.460 He also took the time

00:12:18.420 to make sure

00:12:19.120 and honor

00:12:19.720 the volunteer fire chief,

00:12:22.540 Cory Capriter,

00:12:23.160 and the other people

00:12:26.260 who were injured

00:12:27.100 in that shooting.

00:12:29.620 So he spent

00:12:30.260 a lot of time

00:12:31.120 focusing on

00:12:32.860 how great

00:12:33.540 his supporters are,

00:12:34.480 how great

00:12:34.780 the country is,

00:12:36.100 how sad it is

00:12:37.600 to see the loss

00:12:38.400 of life,

00:12:39.240 how everyone

00:12:39.740 needs to come together.

00:12:40.800 This was a lot

00:12:41.800 of his early speech.

00:12:43.660 Now,

00:12:44.280 the speech

00:12:44.660 was very long.

00:12:45.660 It went about

00:12:46.200 an hour and a half,

00:12:47.240 and it started

00:12:48.160 to meander

00:12:48.640 and circle back

00:12:49.560 on itself

00:12:50.080 on a regular basis.

00:12:51.060 Anyone who has seen

00:12:52.060 a Trump rally

00:12:53.280 seen the way

00:12:54.040 that Trump

00:12:54.420 kind of just

00:12:55.020 riffs on stage,

00:12:57.360 there was a lot

00:12:58.040 of that.

00:12:58.480 Obviously,

00:12:58.860 he had prepared remarks,

00:13:00.100 but he was also

00:13:00.680 willing to stop

00:13:01.820 in the middle

00:13:02.180 of those remarks

00:13:02.920 and kind of

00:13:03.780 go different directions,

00:13:05.060 focus on different things.

00:13:06.760 And so,

00:13:07.620 a lot of the left

00:13:09.020 or people

00:13:10.020 who just hate Trump

00:13:11.040 like Barry Weiss

00:13:11.840 got on and said,

00:13:12.940 oh, well,

00:13:13.460 the speech is a disaster.

00:13:15.300 The speech was too long.

00:13:16.460 It was too boring.

00:13:17.760 It made it very clear

00:13:18.780 that any Democrat

00:13:19.580 could beat Trump.

00:13:20.900 That's a lot of cope.

00:13:22.380 That's a lot of cope.

00:13:23.620 Is it the greatest speech

00:13:24.720 of a convention ever?

00:13:25.780 No.

00:13:26.420 Could he have benefited

00:13:27.660 from some brevity?

00:13:29.180 Maybe.

00:13:29.940 However,

00:13:30.380 as my friend

00:13:31.480 and often co-host

00:13:32.600 The Prudentialist

00:13:33.300 pointed out

00:13:34.380 on Twitter,

00:13:36.100 the length of that speech

00:13:37.420 has a subtext.

00:13:38.540 The subtext

00:13:39.600 of the length

00:13:40.100 of that speech

00:13:40.840 is,

00:13:42.000 here is a guy

00:13:42.540 who can go

00:13:43.540 forever.

00:13:45.160 Here is a guy

00:13:45.760 who can get shot at,

00:13:47.340 stand up on stage

00:13:48.420 a few days later,

00:13:49.820 deliver an hour

00:13:50.420 hour and a half

00:13:51.140 speech,

00:13:51.880 not just off

00:13:52.460 the teleprompter,

00:13:53.160 but with plenty

00:13:53.700 of riffing.

00:13:54.640 He brought

00:13:55.140 the uniform

00:13:56.840 of the firefight

00:13:58.740 chief that was killed

00:14:00.060 on the stage

00:14:01.300 and honored it.

00:14:02.200 He worked a whole

00:14:04.300 bunch of different

00:14:05.160 aspects into

00:14:06.320 what he was doing.

00:14:08.180 Biden,

00:14:09.280 if he's distracted

00:14:10.340 from a teleprompter

00:14:11.020 for more than 10 seconds,

00:14:12.340 just poops his pants 1.00

00:14:13.080 on stage.

00:14:14.080 So again,

00:14:15.020 yes,

00:14:15.440 was the speech long?

00:14:16.640 Sure.

00:14:17.000 Was it unfocused

00:14:17.900 in certain areas?

00:14:18.980 Yes.

00:14:19.680 But does the ability

00:14:21.540 to make that

00:14:23.340 kind of presentation

00:14:24.360 after being shot

00:14:25.360 say something

00:14:26.280 about the man,

00:14:27.800 about his ability

00:14:28.540 to bounce back

00:14:29.300 from this,

00:14:29.720 whether or not

00:14:30.180 he's scared,

00:14:31.280 whether or not

00:14:31.840 he has the endurance

00:14:32.880 after everything

00:14:33.720 that happens?

00:14:35.060 Yeah,

00:14:35.220 that goes ahead

00:14:35.740 and answers

00:14:36.140 a lot of those

00:14:36.700 questions.

00:14:37.380 So I think

00:14:37.820 that that probably

00:14:38.540 went in,

00:14:39.700 that factored

00:14:40.140 into the length

00:14:40.820 of Trump's speech.

00:14:42.600 So I would say,

00:14:43.600 was it bad?

00:14:44.780 No.

00:14:45.380 Was it amazing?

00:14:46.560 No.

00:14:47.020 I think it struck

00:14:47.800 a balance between

00:14:49.020 having a strong

00:14:50.620 beginning,

00:14:51.620 the right kind

00:14:52.120 of things

00:14:52.380 that he was honoring,

00:14:53.480 the right kind

00:14:53.820 of things

00:14:54.040 he was focusing

00:14:54.660 on.

00:14:55.820 He didn't spend

00:14:56.500 a lot of time

00:14:56.980 talking about Joe Biden.

00:14:58.620 He tended to talk

00:14:59.760 about what he was

00:15:00.340 going to do

00:15:00.640 for the country,

00:15:01.460 the way that things

00:15:02.260 had gone wrong

00:15:02.820 and the way he was

00:15:03.340 going to set them right.

00:15:04.420 I think overall

00:15:05.040 it was a solid performance

00:15:06.220 with the added benefit

00:15:07.920 again of proving

00:15:09.460 that he has the stamina

00:15:10.800 necessary to go ahead

00:15:12.460 and continue

00:15:13.100 the presidential campaign

00:15:15.700 into the rest

00:15:18.420 of the election.

00:15:19.160 So it'll be interesting

00:15:20.660 to see what the numbers

00:15:23.300 are coming out of this.

00:15:24.640 It's so wild

00:15:25.720 to try to understand

00:15:26.600 what polling

00:15:27.160 even looks like

00:15:28.280 at this point.

00:15:29.460 You really are

00:15:30.440 in a scenario

00:15:31.280 where both

00:15:33.740 of the party's

00:15:35.500 candidates are hated

00:15:36.480 by the media.

00:15:37.980 The left is trying

00:15:39.060 to drive Joe Biden

00:15:40.220 out of office

00:15:41.900 so badly

00:15:43.040 or at least away

00:15:43.760 from the campaign

00:15:44.520 so badly

00:15:45.140 and that's so very clear.

00:15:47.200 They're running

00:15:47.560 an article

00:15:48.460 basically every hour

00:15:49.760 on the hour

00:15:50.400 talking about

00:15:51.000 how Joe Biden's done.

00:15:52.520 His family's trying

00:15:53.140 to figure out

00:15:53.640 how to bail him

00:15:54.140 out of there.

00:15:54.880 The party's trying

00:15:55.400 to figure out

00:15:55.860 how to replace him.

00:15:57.040 He's going to announce

00:15:57.680 any moment now

00:15:58.460 to the point of this

00:15:59.260 at this point

00:16:00.380 where just the left

00:16:01.420 is just lying

00:16:02.080 like the press

00:16:03.480 is just straight up

00:16:04.200 lying at every moment.

00:16:06.060 They're just yeah

00:16:06.520 yeah we heard

00:16:07.200 from some

00:16:08.120 ninth tier staffer

00:16:09.540 that Joe Biden's

00:16:10.580 completely done

00:16:11.480 he's over.

00:16:12.300 They just run

00:16:12.680 every one of these

00:16:13.580 stories that they can

00:16:14.760 because what they're

00:16:15.240 trying to do

00:16:15.860 is induce Joe Biden's

00:16:17.660 removal.

00:16:18.800 They're trying to say

00:16:19.340 well if we just run

00:16:20.200 this often enough

00:16:21.060 eventually Joe Biden

00:16:22.280 will have to back

00:16:22.940 away.

00:16:23.820 But Joe Biden

00:16:24.460 is at this point

00:16:25.340 where one

00:16:26.140 he's too senile

00:16:27.000 to really care

00:16:27.840 about the pressure

00:16:28.600 that the press

00:16:29.220 is putting on him

00:16:30.220 and two

00:16:31.080 his family

00:16:32.000 is so desperately

00:16:33.180 addicted

00:16:33.740 to the power

00:16:34.860 to the prestige

00:16:36.240 to the protection

00:16:37.520 from things like

00:16:38.460 criminal prosecution

00:16:39.280 that come with

00:16:40.200 Joe Biden

00:16:40.760 as being president

00:16:41.660 that they're not

00:16:42.520 going to leverage

00:16:42.960 him out either.

00:16:43.840 I mean in a way

00:16:44.620 Hunter Biden

00:16:45.720 really is in the

00:16:46.760 Julius Caesar moment

00:16:47.900 right.

00:16:48.200 You either stay

00:16:48.940 either win office

00:16:50.040 stay in office

00:16:50.760 or you get

00:16:52.440 arrested.

00:16:53.080 You get indicted

00:16:53.680 or I mean he's

00:16:55.300 been found guilty

00:16:56.740 but you actually

00:16:58.300 have those penalties

00:16:59.800 fall on you

00:17:00.440 because you don't

00:17:00.820 have anyone to

00:17:01.320 bail you out

00:17:01.920 with some kind

00:17:03.360 of pardon.

00:17:04.520 So you really

00:17:05.340 have a scenario

00:17:05.960 where there is no

00:17:06.760 incentive for Biden

00:17:07.920 or his family

00:17:09.420 to go ahead

00:17:10.160 and leave

00:17:10.980 and the public

00:17:11.520 pressure is really

00:17:13.080 just not useful

00:17:14.360 against them

00:17:15.080 because of their

00:17:16.160 very singular

00:17:16.820 position inside

00:17:18.400 the Democratic

00:17:19.300 apparatus.

00:17:20.040 of the party

00:17:20.940 and the wider

00:17:21.700 kind of oligarchy

00:17:23.060 that operates

00:17:23.820 the United States

00:17:25.120 but the left

00:17:25.700 definitely wants

00:17:26.180 him out

00:17:26.440 so it's really

00:17:26.920 fascinating to

00:17:27.800 watch these

00:17:28.800 factions of the

00:17:29.680 cathedral just

00:17:30.440 absolutely go to

00:17:31.500 war against each

00:17:32.180 other because

00:17:32.800 Democratic presidents

00:17:33.600 are used to

00:17:34.860 usually having the

00:17:36.120 press on their

00:17:36.920 side.

00:17:37.300 In fact they rely

00:17:38.360 on it.

00:17:39.000 You know somebody

00:17:39.380 like Donald Trump

00:17:39.980 knows the press

00:17:40.700 is going to hate

00:17:41.300 him any given

00:17:42.580 moment but somebody

00:17:43.900 like Joe Biden

00:17:45.220 does not.

00:17:46.060 In fact they're

00:17:46.540 banking on the

00:17:47.520 press to even

00:17:48.000 make him look

00:17:48.680 like he kind

00:17:50.540 of acted as

00:17:51.640 the president

00:17:52.140 and now they

00:17:52.880 don't have that

00:17:53.480 anymore.

00:17:54.300 So what happens

00:17:55.180 when a Democratic

00:17:56.020 president actually

00:17:57.040 has to go to

00:17:57.780 war with the

00:17:59.460 press?

00:17:59.900 I mean sure

00:18:00.420 reporters every

00:18:01.320 once in a while

00:18:01.920 will get on to

00:18:02.940 a president for

00:18:03.540 not being

00:18:03.900 progressive enough

00:18:05.240 but you're in a

00:18:06.240 scenario where

00:18:07.280 the entire press

00:18:08.180 has declared

00:18:08.860 all-out war

00:18:09.840 against this guy.

00:18:11.100 How does that

00:18:12.080 function?

00:18:12.820 How does the

00:18:13.320 Democratic presidents

00:18:14.080 even operate

00:18:15.180 when one of

00:18:16.260 the main parts

00:18:17.800 of the cathedral

00:18:18.300 one of the main

00:18:18.820 parts of the

00:18:19.280 total state

00:18:19.980 is not on

00:18:21.560 their side?

00:18:22.220 How does that

00:18:22.680 even work?

00:18:23.440 And there's a lot

00:18:23.960 of irony in the

00:18:24.920 fact that either

00:18:25.940 the left through

00:18:27.380 trying to actually

00:18:28.800 kill Donald Trump

00:18:29.840 or the left

00:18:31.400 through trying to

00:18:32.100 remove Joe Biden

00:18:32.980 is actively trying

00:18:34.200 to remove both

00:18:35.200 of the party's

00:18:36.300 candidates

00:18:36.740 simultaneously.

00:18:38.120 At the same

00:18:39.220 time the

00:18:40.160 establishment is

00:18:41.940 attempting to

00:18:42.600 remove both of

00:18:43.840 the major

00:18:44.200 candidates.

00:18:44.860 One which was

00:18:45.380 their hand-picked

00:18:45.920 puppet and one

00:18:46.920 which is their

00:18:47.700 enemy but neither

00:18:49.260 one is acceptable

00:18:51.080 and both have to

00:18:52.080 be replaced

00:18:53.100 because you know

00:18:53.800 our sacred

00:18:54.760 democracy.

00:18:55.500 The only way to

00:18:56.000 protect democracy

00:18:57.240 is to encourage

00:18:59.340 someone to

00:19:00.400 wildly take shots

00:19:02.000 at Donald Trump

00:19:04.200 and also drive

00:19:05.500 Joe Biden out

00:19:06.700 of running

00:19:07.920 for another

00:19:08.720 term.

00:19:09.400 That's how we

00:19:10.000 protect democracy.

00:19:11.400 Make sure that

00:19:11.820 both of the

00:19:12.580 candidates who

00:19:13.160 have been elected

00:19:13.720 in their

00:19:14.500 respective

00:19:15.000 primaries

00:19:15.560 cannot actually

00:19:17.020 run for

00:19:18.060 president.

00:19:18.900 That is the

00:19:19.480 plan of the

00:19:20.660 left going

00:19:21.260 forward.

00:19:22.080 The regime

00:19:22.460 is so unstable

00:19:23.560 it's insane.

00:19:25.560 I spend a lot

00:19:26.100 of time trying

00:19:26.660 to figure this

00:19:27.200 stuff out.

00:19:27.980 I do a lot

00:19:28.540 of criminology

00:19:29.740 here trying to

00:19:30.720 map out power

00:19:31.560 structures and

00:19:32.380 understand who's

00:19:33.020 influencing who

00:19:33.740 what's driving

00:19:34.300 what.

00:19:35.360 But this is a

00:19:36.080 wild moment

00:19:36.780 where we really

00:19:38.700 get to see these

00:19:39.700 different factions

00:19:40.620 decisions of

00:19:41.620 the ruling

00:19:43.100 total state

00:19:43.780 go at each

00:19:45.320 other in this

00:19:46.540 moment.

00:19:47.080 It's a

00:19:47.700 fascinating thing

00:19:48.660 to behold.

00:19:49.560 All right,

00:19:49.760 well, that is

00:19:50.540 the RNC and

00:19:52.280 some of the

00:19:52.640 dynamics of

00:19:53.360 post-Trump's

00:19:54.740 speech.

00:19:55.460 I want to dive

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00:19:56.580 said, to the

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00:21:28.020 All right, so let's talk

00:21:31.240 about the National

00:21:33.220 Conservatism Convention.

00:21:35.480 So NatCon has gone on

00:21:37.040 for four years now and

00:21:40.020 it's an event that was

00:21:41.460 put on by the Edmund

00:21:42.720 Burke Foundation.

00:21:44.980 Yeram Hazoni is the guy

00:21:46.520 who heads this and it's

00:21:48.500 been trying to bring

00:21:49.480 together several different

00:21:51.560 factions of people who

00:21:54.180 are uninterested in

00:21:57.000 kind of the

00:21:58.020 conservative movement

00:21:59.020 as it stands, but

00:22:01.360 aren't really sure how

00:22:03.180 to go ahead and

00:22:04.240 coalesce that

00:22:05.080 opposition.

00:22:06.280 You could say more or

00:22:07.960 less it's the Trump

00:22:09.200 light folks.

00:22:10.080 It's the Trump and

00:22:10.840 Trump light folks who

00:22:12.300 are against kind of the

00:22:13.640 the more entrenched

00:22:15.380 conservative establishment,

00:22:17.940 though, as we'll get

00:22:19.720 into, there is a

00:22:20.900 decent amount of

00:22:21.440 crossover between the

00:22:22.720 conservative establishment

00:22:23.740 and NatCon.

00:22:24.700 So this is not kind of

00:22:26.460 the the the far

00:22:27.720 reaches of the right.

00:22:29.040 This is not, you know,

00:22:29.880 a lot of guys who are

00:22:31.480 kind of seriously

00:22:33.040 questioning the system,

00:22:34.120 but it is people who

00:22:35.160 are pushing back against

00:22:36.280 I think kind of the

00:22:37.520 Cato style neocon

00:22:40.720 consensus that you have

00:22:42.460 in a lot of the

00:22:44.040 mainstream conservative

00:22:45.380 movement.

00:22:46.700 So I was there because I

00:22:48.160 was speaking that what

00:22:49.620 they do is they have like

00:22:50.480 you have your main

00:22:51.180 speakers in the main

00:22:52.040 hall and then they

00:22:52.720 break people into

00:22:53.560 panels and each one of

00:22:55.240 the panelists gives a

00:22:56.440 speech and then you

00:22:57.340 actually have a

00:22:58.180 question and answer

00:22:58.820 session with the panel

00:23:00.260 and it was really great

00:23:01.100 because I was on a

00:23:02.540 panel with Paul

00:23:03.600 Gottfried and Jeremy

00:23:05.100 Carl.

00:23:06.240 You know, obviously

00:23:06.920 Paul is is is a huge

00:23:09.640 influence in much of

00:23:11.500 many of these spheres.

00:23:13.320 So I've had him on

00:23:14.200 several times.

00:23:14.980 I've had Jeremy Carl

00:23:15.920 on several times, but

00:23:17.220 it was great to see

00:23:18.060 them both in person

00:23:19.520 honor to be able to

00:23:20.780 kind of speak with

00:23:22.080 them on this panel

00:23:23.660 that was put together

00:23:24.400 by Clifford

00:23:25.360 Humphries and our

00:23:27.740 panel was on

00:23:28.780 surviving late

00:23:29.680 liberalism.

00:23:30.420 So I think that was

00:23:31.120 pretty a pretty good

00:23:33.280 collection of people

00:23:33.960 to discuss that,

00:23:34.640 though.

00:23:34.900 I do appreciate that

00:23:35.780 Paul Gottfried

00:23:36.340 immediately launched

00:23:37.640 into his speech to

00:23:39.000 explain why late

00:23:40.100 liberalism isn't a

00:23:41.060 thing and gave

00:23:42.100 everybody a scholarly

00:23:43.020 refutation of the term,

00:23:44.960 which was which is

00:23:46.180 very good.

00:23:46.680 Exactly what I would

00:23:47.440 have expected from

00:23:49.720 him.

00:23:50.500 It was really nice

00:23:51.220 because I got to meet

00:23:52.080 a lot of people in

00:23:53.380 person that you only

00:23:55.180 have had again so many

00:23:56.840 people who have been

00:23:57.580 on my show, but I've

00:23:59.760 never got to meet in

00:24:00.740 real life.

00:24:02.680 Ernst Van Sale from

00:24:04.560 Conscious Caracal from

00:24:05.680 South Africa Afro

00:24:06.720 Forum was there known

00:24:08.900 him for a long time,

00:24:09.860 but of course don't get

00:24:10.920 to South Africa very

00:24:11.820 often.

00:24:12.140 And so it was

00:24:12.500 fantastic to meet him

00:24:14.080 in person.

00:24:14.880 I got to meet Lomez

00:24:16.800 Bennett.

00:24:18.840 I got to meet all

00:24:20.240 kinds of people.

00:24:21.380 Who else was there?

00:24:23.020 Nate Hockman.

00:24:24.280 A lot of people that

00:24:25.120 again, I had had on the

00:24:26.740 show several times, but

00:24:28.380 it was great to finally

00:24:29.540 meet in person, even

00:24:30.980 people who haven't had

00:24:31.780 on the show, but I've

00:24:32.440 always wanted to

00:24:32.900 connect with NS

00:24:34.460 Lyons.

00:24:35.200 If you're not familiar

00:24:36.080 with NS Lyons work, he

00:24:37.340 does a lot of great

00:24:38.480 things on Substack.

00:24:40.420 He also writes a lot on

00:24:41.880 managerialism, so we're

00:24:43.720 definitely people who are

00:24:44.540 very interested in each

00:24:46.020 other's work because

00:24:46.840 there's a lot of

00:24:47.880 overlapping influence

00:24:49.040 there.

00:24:49.960 We're examining the

00:24:51.160 same topic to a large

00:24:53.240 degree.

00:24:54.460 So it was very nice to

00:24:55.680 meet all those people.

00:24:57.120 There's people there

00:24:57.960 that I had met before,

00:24:59.060 but it was nice to

00:24:59.660 catch up with, guys

00:25:00.480 like Carl Benjamin.

00:25:02.000 I also got to meet

00:25:02.960 Wade Stotts.

00:25:03.940 I got to meet

00:25:04.800 Connor from the

00:25:07.960 Lotus Eaters.

00:25:08.620 Again, it was very

00:25:10.540 much a right-wing

00:25:11.480 Twitter space, but in

00:25:12.620 real life.

00:25:13.220 So it was great to get

00:25:14.460 together, guys like

00:25:15.240 William Wolfe, Jack

00:25:16.760 Posobiec, again, just

00:25:17.820 guys that interact with

00:25:19.080 all the time on

00:25:20.500 Twitter, but never got

00:25:21.940 to get together.

00:25:23.220 In some ways, it was

00:25:24.120 almost distracting

00:25:24.900 because there's so many

00:25:26.440 people to meet and so

00:25:27.780 many conversations to

00:25:28.820 have, and I was often

00:25:30.220 getting pulled out to

00:25:31.240 do different meetings

00:25:34.140 or different interviews

00:25:35.580 and things.

00:25:36.080 So I didn't actually

00:25:36.740 get to sit in and

00:25:38.220 listen to as many of

00:25:39.220 these panels and

00:25:40.420 talks as I would

00:25:41.640 have liked, but still

00:25:42.720 a great, great, I

00:25:43.680 guess that's a lot of

00:25:44.400 what these things are,

00:25:45.780 right?

00:25:45.960 They're opportunities to

00:25:46.780 network, and I did

00:25:47.640 meet a lot of very

00:25:48.500 interesting people who

00:25:49.220 are working on

00:25:49.760 incredible projects.

00:25:51.640 There is, you know,

00:25:52.540 I've gone to the OGC

00:25:54.280 conference, which is

00:25:55.660 definitely much more

00:25:56.840 of the Dissident

00:25:58.540 Right conference, the

00:25:59.680 old Glory Club

00:26:00.420 conference, and now

00:26:01.460 I've been to the

00:26:02.060 NatCon conference, which

00:26:03.700 is very much the

00:26:05.440 more establishment, but

00:26:08.060 not part of the

00:26:08.840 establishment, kind of

00:26:09.680 the guys who are on

00:26:11.020 the outside, but

00:26:12.380 trying to figure out

00:26:12.960 how to reform the

00:26:13.680 establishment in D.C.

00:26:15.600 So it's an

00:26:16.060 interesting contrast, the

00:26:17.820 energy, the focus, but

00:26:20.220 in both cases, I can

00:26:21.200 tell you that I met

00:26:21.880 great people, and

00:26:23.640 they were all working

00:26:24.660 on really important

00:26:25.520 projects, and that's

00:26:26.920 what's great about

00:26:27.700 these so often is when

00:26:29.080 you get people in a

00:26:29.940 room, often a lot of

00:26:31.780 the kind of online

00:26:33.260 Twitter stuff falls

00:26:34.220 away, and people

00:26:35.340 become friendly very

00:26:37.160 quickly and get to

00:26:38.240 work on important

00:26:38.920 things.

00:26:39.780 So these in real

00:26:41.580 life meetings are

00:26:42.920 critical, they're

00:26:43.960 important, and they

00:26:45.460 think they start a

00:26:46.900 lot of projects that

00:26:48.180 are very essential

00:26:49.600 that need to get

00:26:50.600 done.

00:26:51.420 So one of the things

00:26:52.340 that you start to

00:26:53.400 notice when you go in

00:26:54.980 there is that there

00:26:56.960 are many different

00:26:58.200 factions in this

00:27:00.700 national conservatism

00:27:02.200 banner, right?

00:27:03.300 You have a lot of

00:27:03.960 people from different

00:27:05.840 parts of a

00:27:06.820 conservative movement,

00:27:07.900 they have different

00:27:08.580 interests, they all in

00:27:10.640 one way or another

00:27:11.520 are trying to break

00:27:13.660 away from the

00:27:15.000 establishment.

00:27:15.940 They have something

00:27:16.680 about kind of the

00:27:17.720 old fusionism

00:27:19.420 version of

00:27:21.000 conservatism, the

00:27:21.960 William F.

00:27:22.460 Buckley style

00:27:23.120 conservatism that

00:27:24.300 they don't like, that

00:27:25.020 they want to see

00:27:25.540 change, but some of

00:27:27.060 them have different

00:27:27.980 emphasis.

00:27:29.440 Many of them are

00:27:30.160 are trying to feel

00:27:31.820 out who could be

00:27:33.020 their allies, who

00:27:34.000 might be potential

00:27:34.720 enemies, and you

00:27:35.720 can really see that

00:27:36.920 in the room, that

00:27:38.120 all these different

00:27:38.960 people are kind of

00:27:40.980 working towards one

00:27:42.840 similar goal, which

00:27:44.140 is remaking what the

00:27:45.920 Republican Party is

00:27:46.880 now, remaking what the

00:27:47.780 conservative movement

00:27:48.660 is now, but many of

00:27:50.460 them have very

00:27:51.060 different ideas of

00:27:52.320 what that should be.

00:27:53.440 A few speakers that

00:27:55.820 I thought were

00:27:56.360 interesting, that are

00:27:57.280 worth highlighting, they

00:27:59.120 had Saurabh Sharma, I

00:28:01.240 think I'm saying

00:28:02.600 that right, sorry

00:28:03.120 if I'm not, this is

00:28:04.320 a guy who works at

00:28:05.220 American Moment, he's

00:28:06.600 doing a very

00:28:07.160 important set of

00:28:08.480 things with making

00:28:10.680 sure that we can

00:28:11.220 staff the next Trump

00:28:13.120 administration, if

00:28:14.180 that's a real thing,

00:28:14.920 hopefully.

00:28:16.200 He's a very

00:28:16.840 intelligent guy, I've

00:28:17.600 got to speak with

00:28:18.440 him before, I think

00:28:19.820 he's doing important

00:28:20.400 work.

00:28:20.760 He did, however, give

00:28:21.540 a speech about why

00:28:23.220 it's important to have

00:28:23.860 an international

00:28:24.520 coalition of

00:28:25.760 nationalists.

00:28:26.580 Now, in some ways, I

00:28:27.920 agree with this,

00:28:28.580 right, and we'll

00:28:30.660 get into why this is

00:28:31.680 a larger problem with

00:28:32.960 the conference in a

00:28:34.240 second, but in some

00:28:36.660 ways, it's clear that

00:28:37.740 you do need to have

00:28:39.040 alliances, international

00:28:40.480 alliances, even if you

00:28:42.600 are wanting to be a

00:28:43.560 nationalist, right, you

00:28:44.600 are a superpower, you

00:28:47.040 are the superpower, and

00:28:49.240 that doesn't just go

00:28:50.220 away because you have a

00:28:52.260 changing of the guard

00:28:53.080 inside the conservative

00:28:53.880 movement, so you need

00:28:55.180 to understand how to

00:28:55.980 interact with other

00:28:57.700 nationalist movements

00:28:59.060 and gain what you can

00:29:01.100 from them, their

00:29:01.720 support, their

00:29:02.460 understanding, perhaps

00:29:03.460 even looking at some,

00:29:04.880 you know, some notes as

00:29:05.940 to what you're doing.

00:29:07.040 However, he, Saurabh was

00:29:08.940 going kind of beyond

00:29:09.680 that, and he was saying

00:29:10.520 what we really need is

00:29:12.180 almost a network of

00:29:13.180 non-governmental

00:29:14.200 organizations, much like

00:29:15.920 the left have, where

00:29:16.940 these based bureaucrats

00:29:18.180 can kind of hide out when

00:29:19.720 they're not in power.

00:29:20.440 So there's like a place

00:29:21.460 for base nationalist

00:29:23.000 bureaucrats to go when

00:29:25.460 they're not in charge.

00:29:26.820 I understand what he's

00:29:27.860 saying there, but that

00:29:28.920 worries me.

00:29:29.880 I wrote a whole book

00:29:30.820 about why I think

00:29:31.920 ultimately the bureaucratic

00:29:33.960 structure that exists for

00:29:35.360 our country right now is

00:29:36.900 actually what drives

00:29:37.840 globalism, and I think

00:29:39.080 we're just talking about

00:29:40.080 creating based globalism,

00:29:42.640 which I don't think is a

00:29:44.540 great move.

00:29:45.000 Now, don't get me wrong.

00:29:45.720 We do have to seize

00:29:46.460 control of the Leviathan

00:29:47.800 before we could even

00:29:50.120 think about dismantling

00:29:51.020 it, if that's the right

00:29:52.000 call.

00:29:52.480 So I agree with him up

00:29:54.280 to the point where we

00:29:55.260 need to train up our own

00:29:56.680 bureaucrats to seize

00:29:57.860 these positions when Trump

00:30:00.300 comes to power, these

00:30:01.100 kind of things.

00:30:01.980 I think he's doing good

00:30:02.880 work there.

00:30:03.320 This is not me deriding

00:30:04.520 his project in general,

00:30:05.720 but I do think that there

00:30:07.040 is a conceptual problem

00:30:08.220 with trying to create a

00:30:09.960 global nationalist

00:30:11.940 elite.

00:30:13.380 I don't think that that

00:30:14.500 quite works the way he

00:30:15.620 would hope.

00:30:16.440 Another panel that was

00:30:17.180 very interesting,

00:30:18.460 was a panel with

00:30:19.640 John Yoo and Will

00:30:21.440 Chamberlain.

00:30:22.120 I've had Will on the

00:30:22.780 show before.

00:30:23.260 I got to meet him in

00:30:23.900 person.

00:30:24.200 That was nice.

00:30:25.780 Will and I disagree on

00:30:27.100 some things, but in

00:30:28.220 general, I think he does

00:30:29.040 good work, and especially

00:30:31.180 coining the seize the

00:30:33.160 endowments was a great

00:30:34.860 job by him.

00:30:36.320 His panel was on the

00:30:38.260 criminalization of

00:30:40.740 Donald Trump, basically

00:30:42.080 the way that the Justice

00:30:43.880 Department has turned the

00:30:45.520 United States government

00:30:47.360 and its laws into just

00:30:49.640 weapons of political

00:30:51.040 convenience.

00:30:52.260 I think it was basically

00:30:53.880 the uniform opinion of

00:30:55.580 that panel that also had

00:30:56.860 guys like Eastman on it

00:30:58.220 that basically the

00:31:00.440 president, the right has

00:31:01.880 to start doing to the

00:31:02.620 left with the left's doing

00:31:03.560 to the right.

00:31:03.980 And that was really nice

00:31:04.580 to hear because some of

00:31:05.900 the guys like John Yoo

00:31:06.680 are, they're pretty

00:31:07.380 mainstream.

00:31:07.800 So, you know, hearing

00:31:09.500 guys like that talk a lot

00:31:11.340 like, you know, more like

00:31:13.540 guys in our sphere was

00:31:14.640 nice.

00:31:15.200 They understood even if

00:31:17.480 some of the people who are

00:31:18.580 still squeamish inside the

00:31:20.600 commentariat of the right

00:31:21.780 don't understand this, many

00:31:23.520 of these guys who are

00:31:24.220 operating in the legal

00:31:25.480 spheres recognize that

00:31:27.980 there has to be strength.

00:31:30.460 There has to be consequences

00:31:32.040 for what the left are doing

00:31:34.100 with the justice system.

00:31:35.660 And that means that the

00:31:36.300 right has to start

00:31:37.100 indicting and taking

00:31:38.680 people to court and

00:31:40.600 putting people in jail if

00:31:41.700 necessary until the left

00:31:43.140 stops what they're doing.

00:31:44.320 So that was that was very

00:31:45.500 encouraging to hear from

00:31:47.480 a couple of guys who are

00:31:49.440 often, you know, somewhere

00:31:50.940 in the middle on some of

00:31:51.960 these things.

00:31:53.300 That evening, we had a

00:31:54.380 speech from Josh Hawley.

00:31:55.920 The Josh Hawley speech was

00:31:57.000 very interesting because I

00:31:58.100 spent a lot of my time

00:31:59.840 because I was invited by

00:32:02.400 a lot of the guys kind of

00:32:04.700 in the Christian sphere.

00:32:05.720 That's how I ended up on

00:32:06.500 the panel.

00:32:07.100 In the Protestant 0.77

00:32:08.140 Christian sphere, we spent 0.64

00:32:10.460 a lot of time debating

00:32:11.400 Christian nationalism, its

00:32:13.060 merits, the use of the

00:32:14.160 term, the goals.

00:32:15.240 And these guys know that

00:32:16.280 generally I'm on board with

00:32:17.740 the goals of the

00:32:20.200 movement.

00:32:20.460 If I'm not a huge fan of

00:32:22.640 adopting the name and

00:32:24.200 some of the other issues

00:32:25.240 that surround it.

00:32:26.140 But one of the things that

00:32:27.380 I warned them out

00:32:27.980 repeatedly was that the

00:32:29.600 broadness of the term

00:32:31.060 Christian nationalism opens

00:32:33.020 it up to being co-opted

00:32:34.780 very easily.

00:32:36.820 And Josh Hawley kind of

00:32:38.360 proved my point a little

00:32:39.220 there live while we were

00:32:41.700 all sitting and listening

00:32:43.080 to his speech because

00:32:44.820 Hawley declared himself a

00:32:46.600 Christian nationalist during

00:32:48.020 the speech, which to be fair,

00:32:49.440 you know, to be due to

00:32:50.320 respect the Hawley, that's an

00:32:51.560 edgy thing for the for the

00:32:53.200 press right now.

00:32:53.860 Right.

00:32:54.060 That's a very terrifying

00:32:54.900 thing for them. 0.95

00:32:56.140 So coming out and saying

00:32:57.220 that that was the case,

00:32:58.200 that he supported this

00:32:59.160 was a big move on his

00:33:01.220 part.

00:33:01.860 However, Josh Hawley's

00:33:03.320 Christian nationalism was 0.83

00:33:04.900 not Stephen Wolf's

00:33:06.440 Christian nationalism.

00:33:07.380 In fact, it seemed to

00:33:08.480 directly decry Stephen

00:33:10.780 Wolf's Christian 1.00

00:33:11.860 nationalism.

00:33:12.720 Josh Hawley wanted to make

00:33:13.660 it very clear that

00:33:15.140 Christianity itself was the 1.00

00:33:17.500 only necessary prerequisite

00:33:19.280 for America to be a

00:33:21.160 nation, which is kind of

00:33:23.200 exactly my concern over the

00:33:25.500 title.

00:33:26.640 Hawley is, of course,

00:33:27.760 correct that Christianity 1.00

00:33:28.640 is a founding principle of

00:33:30.420 the United States.

00:33:31.240 It's a the finding the

00:33:33.060 founding moral vision of

00:33:34.980 the United States.

00:33:35.880 In order to continue as a

00:33:37.840 country, as a people, we

00:33:39.120 will need Christianity. 0.94

00:33:41.280 And it is it is

00:33:42.800 absolutely necessary.

00:33:44.400 However, Ethiopia is a 0.97

00:33:46.500 Christian nation and Armenia

00:33:47.620 is a Christian nation.

00:33:48.720 So Christianity itself 0.79

00:33:50.640 cannot be sufficient to

00:33:53.580 be to identify

00:33:55.080 the United States as its

00:33:57.040 own nation.

00:33:58.060 To clarify, I'm not saying

00:33:59.220 Christianity is not 1.00

00:34:00.000 sufficient for you as an

00:34:01.780 individual.

00:34:02.420 It's absolutely critical.

00:34:04.500 However, for the

00:34:06.300 definition of a nation, it

00:34:07.320 is not enough to by itself

00:34:09.400 explain what America is.

00:34:11.900 And for Hawley to kind of

00:34:13.880 use it that way really

00:34:16.440 confirmed a lot of my

00:34:17.840 concerns about the way that

00:34:20.260 that term is going to get

00:34:21.240 used, the way it's going to

00:34:22.200 get manipulated.

00:34:22.680 And remember, Hawley's

00:34:24.680 position will be staked

00:34:25.980 out as the media as the

00:34:27.220 most radical one.

00:34:28.800 So even though Hawley was

00:34:30.280 made was largely

00:34:31.260 redefining the term and

00:34:33.800 taming the term and

00:34:35.720 making the term as

00:34:37.700 kind of broad and

00:34:41.000 you know, taking the teeth

00:34:44.760 out of the term, even

00:34:46.760 though he was doing that,

00:34:47.620 that will still be seen as

00:34:48.800 the most radical thing.

00:34:50.180 And that's what the left

00:34:50.800 will push as the most

00:34:51.740 radical thing.

00:34:52.880 So what it does is set an

00:34:54.800 anchor, create an anchor

00:34:56.320 for what critical or

00:34:59.340 rather what Christian

00:35:01.120 nationalism will be.

00:35:02.960 And that is a huge

00:35:03.880 problem.

00:35:04.600 People need to understand

00:35:05.600 the power of anchoring

00:35:06.340 and framing.

00:35:07.100 Done many episodes on this.

00:35:08.760 I tried to communicate

00:35:09.840 that.

00:35:10.340 I hope I hope I was

00:35:11.680 successful.

00:35:12.740 But but that's one of my

00:35:14.500 problems with with Hawley's

00:35:16.040 speech.

00:35:16.300 Now, Hawley did have a lot

00:35:17.780 of other great stuff in

00:35:19.200 his speech.

00:35:19.880 He did talk about the

00:35:21.220 need to avoid foreign 1.00

00:35:23.320 wars.

00:35:23.800 He talked about the need

00:35:24.580 to care about the

00:35:26.220 American middle and

00:35:27.360 working class.

00:35:28.200 He talked about the need

00:35:30.880 to care about Christianity 1.00

00:35:32.600 and the public square and

00:35:34.100 that we are not a secular

00:35:35.300 nation.

00:35:35.760 These are all great things

00:35:36.860 from him.

00:35:37.340 I don't want to

00:35:37.780 characterize his speech as

00:35:38.820 bad all the way through.

00:35:40.500 It wasn't.

00:35:41.020 There was a lot of good

00:35:41.800 things in there.

00:35:42.840 However, I just wanted to

00:35:43.940 focus on, you know,

00:35:45.000 because we're focusing on

00:35:45.840 the different factions at

00:35:47.740 NatCon.

00:35:48.280 I wanted to point out

00:35:49.240 what's going on there.

00:35:51.400 So another one that I

00:35:52.620 think was of note was the

00:35:55.360 first panel of the day on

00:35:57.200 or rather one of the first

00:36:00.200 get togethers on the second

00:36:02.600 day, which was a bunch of

00:36:04.300 senators who individually

00:36:06.420 aren't bad guys like Mike

00:36:07.900 Lee or Rick Scott, Jim

00:36:10.720 Dement.

00:36:11.400 But when they got together,

00:36:12.860 the purpose of this like all

00:36:14.960 senatorial panel, and this is

00:36:16.200 the only one that was kind

00:36:16.960 of all politicians, all the

00:36:18.580 other panels were like,

00:36:19.840 maybe you had a politician,

00:36:20.980 maybe you had a host of the

00:36:22.280 show, maybe you had an

00:36:23.120 academic, maybe you had a

00:36:24.340 preacher.

00:36:25.320 This was the only one that

00:36:26.740 was all politicians that I

00:36:28.680 can think of.

00:36:29.700 And the purpose of this

00:36:31.000 panel was supposed to be

00:36:32.860 the weaponization of our

00:36:36.060 justice system.

00:36:37.720 It was supposed to be about

00:36:38.880 the attack on Donald Trump.

00:36:40.800 And they spoke about that for

00:36:42.320 about 10, maybe 15 minutes.

00:36:44.920 They talked a little bit

00:36:47.200 about Donald Trump.

00:36:48.580 They talked a little bit

00:36:49.580 about, for instance, abortion

00:36:51.080 protesters getting locked up,

00:36:52.480 which is good, but they only

00:36:53.580 really talked about it for a

00:36:54.540 minute or two.

00:36:55.300 And then they spent the vast

00:36:56.940 majority of that session

00:36:59.540 talking about taxes.

00:37:01.980 Oh, you know, we got to get

00:37:03.140 the tax burden out.

00:37:04.060 Can you think about earmarks?

00:37:06.020 Oh, my gosh, we're trying.

00:37:07.180 Yeah, I know how to run a

00:37:08.380 business.

00:37:08.740 I came from the business world.

00:37:09.940 Sorry, like I have Rick Scott

00:37:12.080 flashbacks because I used to he

00:37:13.880 was the governor when I was a

00:37:15.520 journalist and I had to sit

00:37:16.540 through that speech about a

00:37:17.960 thousand times, including in

00:37:19.460 press gaggles with the

00:37:21.000 governor.

00:37:21.420 But but it just was kind of a

00:37:24.100 joke.

00:37:24.480 It really it really felt like,

00:37:26.600 oh, this is the old

00:37:27.600 Republican Party that doesn't

00:37:29.040 know what time it is, doesn't

00:37:30.740 understand what's going on.

00:37:31.980 They managed to talk for like

00:37:33.480 10, 15 whole minutes out of

00:37:35.460 over an hour about the actual

00:37:37.260 topic of, you know, well, our

00:37:39.340 constitutional crisis that is

00:37:41.160 occurring.

00:37:41.960 And then they just retreated back

00:37:43.520 to their favorite topic, which

00:37:44.700 is like low taxes, man.

00:37:46.180 We just need to adjust the tax

00:37:47.740 rate.

00:37:48.440 Of course, you know, I want to

00:37:50.080 cut government spending, too.

00:37:51.380 Sure.

00:37:51.720 But that's that's really not

00:37:53.180 not the point right now.

00:37:56.400 So another panel that I think

00:37:58.660 was really important was the

00:38:00.760 Albert Mueller, Doug Wilson

00:38:02.280 one.

00:38:03.200 This was the meeting of two

00:38:07.000 guys from two very big

00:38:09.320 Protestant organizations.

00:38:11.720 Obviously, Doug Wilson is

00:38:13.720 probably best known as a

00:38:15.700 proponent of Christian

00:38:17.920 nationalism.

00:38:18.480 And then Mueller is a guy who

00:38:20.640 is very highly placed in the

00:38:22.720 Southern Baptist Convention.

00:38:24.700 I believe he is in charge of

00:38:25.860 the seminary, something like

00:38:27.160 that.

00:38:27.880 And sorry, I'm not as up on on

00:38:29.780 all of the the inter church

00:38:32.380 politics as I should be.

00:38:34.200 But these guys came together

00:38:35.560 and this was a very interesting

00:38:36.620 one, because while

00:38:37.760 Mueller seemed to be saying I'm

00:38:39.920 not a Christian nationalist, he

00:38:41.360 spent the rest of the time

00:38:42.120 agreeing with Doug Wilson on

00:38:43.780 basically everything.

00:38:45.380 In fact, they spent a lot of

00:38:47.040 time explaining that there is

00:38:48.920 no secular nation, that there

00:38:51.120 is never going to be such thing

00:38:52.380 as a secular nation, that the

00:38:54.360 government should be embracing

00:38:55.800 biblical teaching and biblical

00:38:57.580 truth whenever possible, that

00:38:59.320 public displays of allegiance to

00:39:02.180 biblical values are critical and

00:39:04.600 that Christianity is the only 1.00

00:39:06.700 acceptable binding faith of the

00:39:09.820 of the nation, which is

00:39:11.340 important because, again, your

00:39:12.560 own Pozzoni is obviously a 0.99

00:39:13.780 Jewish guy and there's a large

00:39:15.120 number of people involved in

00:39:17.220 this that are going to be

00:39:17.860 organizing it.

00:39:18.780 And so it's really nice, of

00:39:20.740 course, to have that Protestant 1.00

00:39:22.700 Christians were prominently

00:39:23.860 featured on this and we're

00:39:25.540 hashing out what this looks like.

00:39:27.580 And and and, you know, your own

00:39:29.340 was saying, like, no, like,

00:39:30.900 obviously the future of this

00:39:32.260 country has to be Christian. 1.00

00:39:34.100 You know, that that is that's

00:39:35.300 what's going to happen.

00:39:36.660 So it was good to see that that

00:39:38.820 unity over that, the fact that it

00:39:41.100 seemed like Wilson was, if

00:39:43.260 anything, dragging everyone to

00:39:45.180 kind of a right on this issue, if

00:39:47.160 you want to call it the right when

00:39:48.860 it comes to kind of how to

00:39:51.020 understand the Christian 1.00

00:39:52.100 nationalist debate.

00:39:52.980 But overall, I think that was

00:39:54.740 very good.

00:39:55.240 That was very clarifying.

00:39:57.420 Well worth, well worth the

00:39:59.360 time.

00:39:59.760 There's another panel on

00:40:01.680 separation of church and

00:40:02.900 state.

00:40:03.600 R.R.

00:40:03.940 Reno was on that.

00:40:04.780 I enjoyed his book, The

00:40:06.760 Strong Return of the Strong

00:40:08.020 Gods.

00:40:08.460 You can you can watch my video

00:40:09.620 on that.

00:40:10.240 We're kind of reviewing that

00:40:11.040 book if you'd like.

00:40:13.100 And he was on there along with

00:40:15.280 Josh Hammer and a couple other

00:40:16.740 guys.

00:40:17.600 And same thing.

00:40:18.680 There seemed to be a very much

00:40:20.060 a consensus on there that

00:40:22.980 separation of church and state

00:40:24.980 was, as we understand it now,

00:40:27.320 is a failure, that it did not

00:40:29.060 work, that the version of

00:40:31.520 kind of this that we have

00:40:33.840 instantiated in all of our

00:40:35.240 institutions today are what let

00:40:37.060 the wokeness come in and 0.97

00:40:38.720 control our country and that a 1.00

00:40:41.280 return to public Christianity is 0.92

00:40:43.320 necessary to go ahead and

00:40:45.940 return America to a better

00:40:48.680 state.

00:40:49.440 So, again, another panel that

00:40:51.580 was very much front and center

00:40:53.780 saying separation of churches

00:40:55.380 say has failed.

00:40:56.480 Christianity needs to be a 1.00

00:40:57.840 critical part of what the

00:41:00.240 conservative movement is going

00:41:01.300 to be going forward.

00:41:02.640 So there are multiple

00:41:03.660 representations of that.

00:41:05.780 Now, very interestingly, Marco

00:41:07.660 Rubio was supposed to give the

00:41:09.540 closing address that night.

00:41:11.500 However, Trump was in Florida at

00:41:14.660 that time at a rally and we heard

00:41:16.720 that Marco Rubio was not going to

00:41:19.360 be able to make it to Nat

00:41:22.120 Khan to give that speech and

00:41:23.540 Vivek Ramaswamy would be giving

00:41:25.220 a speech instead.

00:41:27.580 Now, of course, that's very

00:41:28.220 interesting because at the time

00:41:30.220 we didn't know who would be the

00:41:32.380 vice presidential pick for Trump

00:41:33.800 and Marco Rubio was rumored to be

00:41:35.800 on the short list.

00:41:37.080 And there was a lot of speculation

00:41:38.100 that the reason that Marco Rubio

00:41:40.940 was not able to show up was that he

00:41:43.380 was about to be announced as the

00:41:45.260 vice presidential pick.

00:41:47.000 I'm not sure what happened there.

00:41:49.320 Now, you know, that was the

00:41:50.260 speculation.

00:41:50.760 It was very clear that Rubio felt

00:41:52.760 it was more important to be in

00:41:54.160 Florida, perhaps at the time.

00:41:56.140 But whatever, however that went

00:41:57.920 down, whatever the politics were

00:42:00.700 behind the scenes, Rubio did not

00:42:03.300 get picked, was not announced as a

00:42:05.020 vice presidential pick at that time.

00:42:07.160 And Ramaswamy gave the speech.

00:42:09.760 Now, Vivek's speech was interesting

00:42:11.380 because, again, there's a lot to

00:42:13.200 like and a lot to dislike.

00:42:14.620 Vivek gave a speech that was

00:42:16.780 focused on the administrative

00:42:18.480 state, which I like a lot.

00:42:20.500 I like that he is aware of the

00:42:22.380 problems there.

00:42:23.280 He understands the issues involved

00:42:25.020 in managerialism, which he called

00:42:26.760 out by name repeatedly.

00:42:28.660 He talked about how the

00:42:30.720 managerial regime cannot be

00:42:32.740 reformed and can only be

00:42:33.880 dismantled.

00:42:34.660 We can't actually use it

00:42:35.900 ourselves except in dismantling

00:42:38.000 it, which I tend to agree with.

00:42:40.040 So a lot to like there.

00:42:41.660 A lot of things that I was glad he

00:42:43.440 focused on, he took the time to

00:42:45.180 focus on.

00:42:46.020 However, Vivek always has a hole

00:42:49.120 in his game.

00:42:50.200 Right.

00:42:50.700 And it's this hole, unfortunately,

00:42:52.280 that you would expect.

00:42:53.660 He's like, we got to shut down

00:42:54.680 illegal immigration.

00:42:55.540 We got to shut down illegal

00:42:56.380 immigration.

00:42:57.300 But Vivek is very pro

00:42:58.720 legal immigration.

00:43:00.300 He's very much a fan of skilled

00:43:02.880 immigration, specifically skilled

00:43:04.460 immigration from India.

00:43:05.780 Who would have guessed?

00:43:07.200 And so he's got a big blind spot.

00:43:10.080 He likes to talk a good game

00:43:11.420 about how we need to protect

00:43:12.520 American jobs.

00:43:13.780 He likes to talk a good game

00:43:15.340 about how we need to revivify the

00:43:17.800 economy and take down the

00:43:18.940 managerial state.

00:43:20.280 But he does have problems with

00:43:21.880 what he called protectionist

00:43:24.180 nationalism, which all nationalism

00:43:27.100 is going to be.

00:43:28.140 But Vivek wanted to draw a line.

00:43:29.900 And so what he called his version

00:43:31.380 of nationalism was libertarian

00:43:33.540 nationalism, which is cringe.

00:43:37.240 But libertarian nationalism is fine

00:43:39.960 with a large amount of skilled

00:43:43.480 immigration.

00:43:45.720 You know, surprise, surprise.

00:43:48.400 And so, again, this is my point.

00:43:50.900 This is the same thing that we felt

00:43:52.080 with Josh Hawley.

00:43:53.120 We have a version of nationalism

00:43:55.940 that calls itself nationalism,

00:43:59.120 but seems to be very much like

00:44:02.380 other versions of conservatism

00:44:04.600 we've heard before, or at least

00:44:05.860 in important ways.

00:44:08.000 And so I think it's very

00:44:09.580 interesting to see these

00:44:11.200 dynamics play out.

00:44:12.100 Hawley is trying to describe

00:44:14.360 Christian nationalism, or he

00:44:15.940 wants to stake a claim of

00:44:17.000 Christian nationalism, but he 0.87

00:44:18.060 also wants to redefine it.

00:44:19.580 Vivek creates his own version of

00:44:21.060 nationalism, libertarian

00:44:22.260 nationalism, which seems to

00:44:24.480 favor a pattern of immigration

00:44:26.780 that could help him and many

00:44:29.420 people who he cares about.

00:44:32.060 And so, like I said, just

00:44:33.100 interesting to see these

00:44:34.100 shifting dynamics inside the

00:44:35.820 movement at any given time.

00:44:38.440 The next guy who gave a great

00:44:41.120 speech, I thought, was Jack

00:44:42.240 Posobiec.

00:44:43.260 Jack is somebody who is willing

00:44:45.840 to talk about the use of power,

00:44:48.440 and that was very much the

00:44:50.300 primary role of his speech, was

00:44:52.440 to talk about why the right

00:44:54.520 should be using power, why it

00:44:56.100 shouldn't be scared of power, why

00:44:57.640 it's important.

00:44:58.320 And if you, he had a great

00:45:00.900 line in there, if you have

00:45:02.560 power without principles, you're

00:45:04.560 a tyrant.

00:45:05.240 If you have principles without

00:45:07.160 power, you're delusional. 0.76

00:45:09.020 And that's exactly the balance

00:45:10.420 that I think needed to be

00:45:11.700 struck, explaining to people

00:45:12.940 that wielding power does not

00:45:14.340 mean an abandonment of

00:45:15.180 principles, but you can only

00:45:17.120 have the enforcement of your

00:45:19.940 principles if you're willing to

00:45:21.120 use power.

00:45:21.960 The only way that you can keep

00:45:23.420 your principles in the primary

00:45:26.100 seat, in the driver's seat, is if

00:45:28.320 you are the ones wielding

00:45:29.500 power.

00:45:29.980 So I think that was a good

00:45:31.120 speech by him.

00:45:32.080 It was something that a lot of

00:45:33.780 people on the right need to

00:45:34.820 hear.

00:45:35.420 Some of the echoes very much

00:45:36.620 what I have been saying.

00:45:37.940 So it was great to talk to him

00:45:39.720 and great to hear his speech.

00:45:41.860 Got to go on his show.

00:45:43.320 If you haven't seen that, you

00:45:44.280 can check it out.

00:45:45.440 Another one that I really

00:45:46.920 enjoyed was Lomez.

00:45:49.720 Lomez was there.

00:45:50.560 Obviously, he is now known as

00:45:51.960 Jonathan Heberman, and he

00:45:54.340 was part of a panel on the

00:45:57.180 importance of arts and

00:45:58.320 journalism.

00:45:59.700 Amanda Milnes was supposed to 0.99

00:46:00.640 be there, but she couldn't make

00:46:01.700 it, but there's several other

00:46:03.380 interesting speakers on that

00:46:06.000 panel.

00:46:06.820 He spent a lot of time talking

00:46:08.340 about the importance of going

00:46:10.540 ahead and promoting the

00:46:12.980 cultural influence of

00:46:14.460 conservatism, obviously, as

00:46:15.800 somebody who has worked as a

00:46:18.080 literary professor, somebody who

00:46:19.560 is working as a publisher.

00:46:21.300 He is somebody who is well

00:46:22.360 aware with many of those

00:46:24.320 necessities.

00:46:25.040 I thought he did a great job.

00:46:26.920 It was great to meet him in

00:46:27.920 person as well.

00:46:28.820 Again, somebody who I've been

00:46:30.680 back and forth with on Twitter,

00:46:32.020 had him on the show several

00:46:33.580 times, but it was very nice to

00:46:35.180 go ahead and meet him in

00:46:37.000 person when I thought he had an

00:46:38.360 important panel.

00:46:39.700 The other really important

00:46:41.140 panel, perhaps the most

00:46:42.720 important panel there, which I

00:46:44.920 did not get to see in person, and

00:46:46.220 I have to catch the bits

00:46:47.480 online, sadly.

00:46:49.260 But it had some of my favorite

00:46:50.320 people.

00:46:50.820 But yet again, I was pulled out of

00:46:51.960 so many things.

00:46:52.420 I didn't get to go to so many

00:46:54.040 of these.

00:46:54.820 But the Alternative Political

00:46:56.400 Structures panel, it had the

00:46:59.400 other Ernst from Afroforum.

00:47:02.480 Apparently, everybody in South

00:47:04.500 Africa is just Ernst. 0.97

00:47:05.780 It's like Tom or something

00:47:07.940 there.

00:47:08.740 But he is the leader of, I

00:47:12.720 believe, the Solidarity Movement

00:47:13.860 is what it's called there.

00:47:15.400 But he did a great job.

00:47:18.140 It was interesting talking to

00:47:19.680 both the Ernst's, you know,

00:47:22.480 Conscious Karakal, the younger 1.00

00:47:24.680 Ernst, spent a lot of time

00:47:26.540 saying, you know, we've been to

00:47:28.300 these events before.

00:47:29.220 People have been aware of South

00:47:30.340 Africa before, but mainly it was

00:47:31.780 because of how bad things were.

00:47:34.160 Right.

00:47:34.300 There was the focus was on why

00:47:36.180 South Africa went, well, south,

00:47:38.800 why things have gotten as bad as

00:47:40.220 they've gotten.

00:47:41.340 That has been the main focus.

00:47:43.440 This time, he said, when he was

00:47:45.300 going around talking to people,

00:47:46.960 everyone wanted to know what they

00:47:48.420 were building, what they were

00:47:49.780 doing, how they were creating

00:47:51.520 parallel institutions, how they

00:47:53.640 were able to go ahead and

00:47:55.400 circumvent so many of the

00:47:58.040 difficulties that they've had in

00:47:59.800 dealing with the government.

00:48:01.260 And so I thought that was really

00:48:02.620 great that they showed that

00:48:04.160 mentality shift from people

00:48:05.320 people asking what's going on

00:48:08.160 down there.

00:48:08.900 Why is it so bad?

00:48:10.060 How did things get this bad?

00:48:11.340 How did things fail?

00:48:12.500 And said the shift was here is

00:48:15.220 how we are making things work.

00:48:17.340 Here's how, in spite of

00:48:18.500 everything, we are going to make

00:48:20.020 things better.

00:48:20.840 And that was, of course, the focus

00:48:22.580 of that panel as well.

00:48:24.060 They also had NS Lyons on there

00:48:26.660 talking about parallelism.

00:48:28.320 Again, these are this is a focus of

00:48:30.520 things I've talked about.

00:48:32.120 It's in my book as well.

00:48:33.540 So I think these guys are on the

00:48:35.000 right track.

00:48:35.920 Very important.

00:48:37.180 And then finally, the last speech

00:48:38.480 I want to talk about at NatCon was

00:48:40.580 J.D. Vance's speech.

00:48:42.380 J.D. Vance, obviously, we didn't know

00:48:44.220 it at the time, but he ended up

00:48:46.460 being the presidential or the

00:48:48.220 vice presidential nominee.

00:48:49.780 But his speech was exactly what I

00:48:52.860 wanted to hear from him.

00:48:55.540 He talked about how America is a

00:48:58.120 nation, and he said specifically

00:48:59.940 America is a people.

00:49:01.980 It's not an economic zone.

00:49:03.820 He said, you know, I want to be

00:49:04.880 buried in the cemetery next to my

00:49:08.220 kin.

00:49:08.840 This is where I come from.

00:49:10.660 These are my people.

00:49:11.520 This is not just a set of ideas.

00:49:14.980 This is not just a piece of paper.

00:49:17.440 This is a history.

00:49:18.980 This is a heritage.

00:49:20.280 This is a people.

00:49:21.460 This is a place.

00:49:22.720 This is what makes America what it

00:49:24.800 is.

00:49:25.800 And while we can have people come

00:49:27.600 and we can have people join at its

00:49:29.820 core, if America is to be something

00:49:33.360 that matters, if it's to endure going

00:49:35.580 forward, we have to reconnect and

00:49:37.540 understand it as a real nation and not

00:49:40.200 just this economic zone for global

00:49:42.680 elites to stage whatever project

00:49:44.620 they're going to run next.

00:49:46.120 So that was a very good thing to hear

00:49:47.620 from Vance.

00:49:48.320 Again, knowing, you know, now that we

00:49:50.360 can see into the future a little bit,

00:49:51.800 know that he ended up being selected.

00:49:54.140 I do wonder when that decision

00:49:57.420 actually took place.

00:49:58.320 Did he already know that he had been

00:50:00.200 tapped for this position?

00:50:02.480 Was that something that happened after

00:50:04.360 Trump went through the crucible of

00:50:06.360 almost being killed?

00:50:08.120 Very interesting thing to I would

00:50:11.120 like I would like to know one day,

00:50:12.680 but we don't know right now.

00:50:14.380 Either way, I thought he gave it gave

00:50:15.660 a good speech.

00:50:16.200 Is he perfect?

00:50:16.860 No.

00:50:17.760 You know, is it everything that many

00:50:19.400 people in the distant right wanted to

00:50:20.640 be?

00:50:21.080 No.

00:50:21.800 But is he a guy who he's a guy who's

00:50:23.740 read Curtis Yarvin knows him?

00:50:25.340 Well, a guy who has follows, you

00:50:28.400 know, guys like BAP and ROG

00:50:30.000 Nationalist and myself on Twitter.

00:50:33.000 You know, this is a guy who is

00:50:34.780 plugged in. He is aware of many of

00:50:37.320 the things we're talking about.

00:50:38.780 He swims in these waters.

00:50:41.040 And I think that it is a good move

00:50:44.120 of the short list of people that

00:50:46.100 Trump was was picking.

00:50:47.260 That absolutely was going to be my

00:50:49.100 pick. And I'm glad that that's what

00:50:51.420 ended up happening.

00:50:52.640 All right, guys, we're going to go

00:50:53.720 ahead and move over to the

00:50:55.740 questions of the people real quick.

00:50:59.780 The weirdo says the I shouldn't be

00:51:02.800 here. Yes, you should.

00:51:03.880 The weirdo moment was really

00:51:04.700 powerful. It got me.

00:51:06.260 I'm willing to admit that.

00:51:07.420 Yeah. Yeah.

00:51:07.960 When Trump said that, you know, I

00:51:09.540 shouldn't be here.

00:51:10.300 And the crowd says, yes, you

00:51:12.220 should be.

00:51:12.940 He says, no, I really shouldn't.

00:51:14.780 I should be dead.

00:51:15.640 And it's only because of God that

00:51:17.900 I'm not dead right now.

00:51:19.260 Yeah, that's a real moment.

00:51:21.140 You know, people that get on stage,

00:51:23.340 they say things.

00:51:24.060 Are they sincere?

00:51:25.240 You never know for sure.

00:51:26.340 Uh, but I, I think it's hard to live

00:51:29.280 through an event like that, um, and

00:51:33.360 not be changed by it.

00:51:34.840 And I think it's entirely possible

00:51:36.580 that Trump is being sincere in at

00:51:39.060 least that realization.

00:51:40.080 Uh, and I certainly hope that's the

00:51:41.660 case.

00:51:42.860 Uh, masculine, uh, Fenty says

00:51:46.460 Trump and co better be ready for

00:51:48.020 racist, sexist, homosophobic, full 0.70

00:51:49.580 court press by media establishment

00:51:51.760 when Kamala is installed.

00:51:53.820 Yeah.

00:51:54.020 Obviously if Kamala ends up being the 1.00

00:51:55.780 candidate, that's all it's going to

00:51:57.340 be about.

00:51:57.860 Oh, he hates the women. 0.99

00:51:59.160 Oh, he hates anybody of color, blah,

00:52:00.980 blah, blah.

00:52:01.660 That's going to be, uh, the constant

00:52:03.820 refrain.

00:52:04.760 Uh, but then, you know, how's that

00:52:06.180 any different?

00:52:07.040 After the man got shot, they

00:52:08.400 immediately went back to calling him

00:52:09.520 a Nazi. 0.68

00:52:10.040 So what are they going to do?

00:52:11.980 Turn up their rhetoric to 11 again.

00:52:14.480 That's the problem.

00:52:15.340 It's kind of diminishing returns at

00:52:17.740 this point.

00:52:18.920 Uh, let's see.

00:52:19.880 Criepy weirdo says anti Biden

00:52:21.140 hyperstition from the left.

00:52:22.540 Yes, I was, I was, I didn't want to

00:52:24.160 use too much, uh, neoreactionary

00:52:25.900 terminology, but yes, it's absolutely

00:52:28.060 the press trying to hyperstition a

00:52:30.340 Biden, uh, uh, uh, a Biden, um,

00:52:34.780 concession.

00:52:35.700 Well, not a big concession, but, uh,

00:52:37.600 stepping down.

00:52:38.280 I can't think of words at the

00:52:39.300 moment, but they were absolutely

00:52:40.380 trying to bring that into existence.

00:52:43.020 Uh, and they, they seem to have

00:52:44.880 failed up until this point, but we

00:52:46.380 will see.

00:52:49.180 Uh, tiny stupid even says if we use

00:52:51.300 reason and logic, we can talk our

00:52:53.140 senile candidate into stepping down.

00:52:54.920 I feel like there's a flaw in that

00:52:56.340 somewhere.

00:52:56.740 Yeah, it's a, it's a fair point.

00:52:58.800 Right.

00:52:59.440 Um, and, and that really is a huge

00:53:01.060 problem for them.

00:53:01.960 Uh, they, they put somebody in

00:53:04.100 there who simply was incapable of

00:53:06.480 caring, uh, which worked to their

00:53:08.420 advantage for a while, but now is a

00:53:10.840 huge problem.

00:53:11.380 They're having a difficult time

00:53:12.440 influencing him again, his, his

00:53:14.620 really surrounded by a group of

00:53:17.040 people who are entirely dependent

00:53:18.320 on him, continuing to hold power.

00:53:20.120 Uh, they have no incentive to

00:53:21.500 leverage him out and he is so

00:53:23.080 senile he couldn't care less.

00:53:24.560 And so that really puts you in a

00:53:26.160 position where, you know, are, are

00:53:28.580 you even going to be able to get

00:53:29.660 rid of this guy?

00:53:31.960 Uh, let's see, uh, Cooper

00:53:34.180 Reader says regarding CN, there's

00:53:35.860 Doug Wilson just saying, uh, I'm

00:53:37.740 not sure exactly, but yeah, I mean,

00:53:39.200 Doug is great.

00:53:40.360 Uh, got to say hi to him briefly.

00:53:42.180 I thought his speech was great.

00:53:43.960 Uh, he's been very kind in

00:53:45.420 recommending the book, uh, regularly,

00:53:47.120 uh, from, from all I can tell,

00:53:49.540 it seems like a really cool guy.

00:53:51.360 Uh, again, my problems with

00:53:53.200 Christian nationalism are tactical.

00:53:54.880 They are not about the people 0.94

00:53:56.260 involved or in the goals.

00:53:58.080 I think, uh, those are pretty

00:53:59.240 much spot on.

00:54:01.960 Uh, let's see, uh, Robert

00:54:04.640 Weinsfeld says, uh, plus one J

00:54:06.620 here saying that the USA is past

00:54:08.160 and future is Christian.

00:54:09.240 Well, thank you very much, sir.

00:54:10.460 I appreciate that.

00:54:11.700 Uh, and like I said, you are not

00:54:12.880 the only one.

00:54:13.860 Uh, so, uh, it's great to hear

00:54:15.760 that that is going to be the

00:54:16.880 truth going forward.

00:54:17.960 Uh, good to understand that,

00:54:19.660 that people have to kind of grasp

00:54:21.140 that, uh, as we decide what

00:54:23.240 nationalism is going to be,

00:54:24.420 it's in inescapable to go ahead

00:54:26.200 and talk about how it must be

00:54:29.020 Christian in nature in the

00:54:30.300 United States, at least.

00:54:31.960 Uh, Robert says again, do you

00:54:33.640 think that the DR is purity

00:54:35.260 testing the Trump GOP like a

00:54:36.760 bunch of libertarians?

00:54:37.900 Seems like we've made a lot of,

00:54:39.120 uh, headway within the Trump

00:54:40.420 camp.

00:54:40.800 Yes, they are.

00:54:42.120 And, you know, at the same,

00:54:43.700 so here's the thing.

00:54:45.600 I am not one of these guys who

00:54:47.640 is everything needs to be

00:54:49.440 uniform all the time.

00:54:51.400 Uh, it's, it's not, oh, I

00:54:53.080 think that everyone has to give

00:54:54.540 unwavering support, uh, support

00:54:56.640 to Donald Trump at all times.

00:54:57.740 I don't do that.

00:54:58.420 I have lots of problems with

00:55:00.080 Donald Trump.

00:55:00.620 I have lots of issues.

00:55:01.920 I think he falls short on in

00:55:03.400 many areas.

00:55:04.700 And I certainly would not demand

00:55:05.840 that of him or anyone else

00:55:07.520 associated with him.

00:55:09.060 However, I think it is very

00:55:10.560 clear that many of our guys are,

00:55:13.380 um, are moving up in those

00:55:18.300 areas or are being noticed in

00:55:19.560 those areas.

00:55:20.100 I think we are influencing a lot

00:55:21.560 of that.

00:55:21.940 And I think that the desire to

00:55:24.560 purity spiral is bad, but most 0.90

00:55:27.360 of the people I see doing this

00:55:28.500 are more chiding.

00:55:30.280 There are certain subgroups,

00:55:32.160 which I'm not going to get

00:55:32.880 into, which are going hard in

00:55:34.840 the paint against Donald Trump.

00:55:35.940 And man, does that look bad

00:55:36.920 right now?

00:55:37.480 Right.

00:55:37.740 They were already doing this

00:55:38.820 before.

00:55:39.820 And after everything that

00:55:40.940 happened with Trump, uh, that's,

00:55:42.840 that's obviously, uh, something

00:55:44.760 that is not, uh, not working well

00:55:47.500 for them.

00:55:47.920 Uh, but I do think that

00:55:49.920 ultimately, uh, it's worth

00:55:51.680 having some pushback.

00:55:53.140 Uh, I think it is worth having

00:55:54.860 some, some pushback against,

00:55:56.660 uh, kind of what the Trump

00:55:59.480 administration is doing or what

00:56:00.780 the future possible Trump

00:56:03.140 administration is doing, what

00:56:04.440 that camp is doing.

00:56:05.620 Uh, and so I don't think there's

00:56:07.320 any problem with criticism.

00:56:08.260 I don't think there's any problem

00:56:09.460 with saying, Hey, we'd like to

00:56:10.900 see more or something from you.

00:56:12.480 Uh, the left's Vanguard is

00:56:13.820 constantly harrowing the

00:56:15.480 mainstream and, or harrowing

00:56:17.340 the mainstream and trying to

00:56:18.120 get them to, uh, change

00:56:19.740 things.

00:56:20.340 Uh, and so I don't think

00:56:21.340 there's any problem with that

00:56:22.760 so much.

00:56:23.220 It's when people completely

00:56:24.160 kamikaze themselves in, uh, 0.80

00:56:27.200 avoidance, uh, or, or in

00:56:29.680 criticism of Trump.

00:56:32.040 I think that's a mistake.

00:56:33.700 Let's see here.

00:56:34.420 Life of Brian says, how did

00:56:35.740 Mark Ripito get to you?

00:56:37.620 I'm sorry.

00:56:37.880 I'm trying to remember.

00:56:38.600 I was trying, that's why I

00:56:39.340 got distracted there.

00:56:40.780 I know, I know that name, uh,

00:56:43.180 but, and I've probably spoken

00:56:44.520 with this person, but now I am

00:56:46.900 forgetting.

00:56:48.340 Oh yes.

00:56:49.240 Yes.

00:56:49.600 The strutting strength.

00:56:51.120 Um, yes.

00:56:52.500 I made an appearance on that

00:56:53.640 podcast.

00:56:54.540 Uh, I just got, I just, you

00:56:56.040 know, just got booked, uh, when

00:56:57.380 it came with the, with the

00:56:58.140 book press.

00:56:58.800 Um, but that was definitely an

00:57:00.620 interesting conversation to be

00:57:01.960 sure.

00:57:02.520 Uh, let's see here.

00:57:05.000 Uh, Bruce gender, uh, says, uh,

00:57:07.900 no, uh, Knowles recently

00:57:09.340 debated an atheist on if the

00:57:11.740 United States was founded as a

00:57:12.740 Christian nation.

00:57:13.300 To me, this is something where

00:57:14.700 you lose by debating like

00:57:16.240 trans kids.

00:57:16.940 Yeah.

00:57:17.360 It's, it's one of those things

00:57:18.440 that debate is to lose it.

00:57:21.000 The idea that there's any kind

00:57:22.600 of debate over whether or not

00:57:23.980 the founding of the United

00:57:25.040 States is Christian is just 1.00

00:57:26.120 insane.

00:57:26.820 Yes.

00:57:27.260 We're certain members of the

00:57:29.660 founding fathers, um, DS or

00:57:32.400 were they, uh, unconventional

00:57:34.380 Christian? 0.80

00:57:35.120 Yes, that's true.

00:57:35.880 But all of them were heavily,

00:57:37.820 heavily influenced by the

00:57:39.040 Christian faith.

00:57:39.720 And outside of the core group

00:57:42.620 of the founding fathers, pretty

00:57:43.800 much everybody else was

00:57:44.780 Christian.

00:57:45.480 Uh, so the idea that the

00:57:47.240 United States is, uh, like

00:57:49.020 some kind of deistic, almost

00:57:51.300 atheistic nation is just 0.96

00:57:52.780 insane.

00:57:53.420 It's obviously false.

00:57:55.240 Is it worth going ahead and

00:57:57.660 bringing that to light?

00:57:58.640 Should you do episodes on it?

00:58:00.240 Should you bring that history

00:58:01.540 to light?

00:58:01.980 Sure.

00:58:02.340 Absolutely.

00:58:02.880 And I do that.

00:58:03.520 If you want to go back and

00:58:04.700 check, uh, with guys like, uh,

00:58:07.120 Ryan turnip seed, he did a

00:58:08.440 great job explaining, uh, many

00:58:10.120 of the Christian founding, uh,

00:58:11.840 running to the parts of a

00:58:12.680 Christian founding of our, uh,

00:58:14.580 nation and why separation of

00:58:16.400 church and state doesn't work

00:58:17.440 the way that a lot of people

00:58:18.220 think it does.

00:58:19.060 Uh, so I think that it's worth

00:58:20.580 explaining that, but would I

00:58:22.060 get into a formal debate with

00:58:23.720 that?

00:58:24.000 No, probably not.

00:58:25.040 But I also just find in general

00:58:27.040 debates, almost useless.

00:58:29.080 Don't get me wrong.

00:58:30.020 I'm willing to talk to people.

00:58:31.300 I've talked to plenty of

00:58:32.120 people who disagree with me.

00:58:33.460 You know, I've sat down with,

00:58:35.240 uh, you know, or digitally sat

00:58:37.500 down with guys like Peter

00:58:38.440 Boghossian and others who hold 0.94

00:58:40.860 a much different worldview than

00:58:42.220 me.

00:58:42.640 I don't have a problem talking

00:58:43.720 to people, but debating in the

00:58:46.240 modern era is just a bunch of

00:58:48.420 people.

00:58:48.800 They're just being sophists.

00:58:50.340 They're just sitting there and

00:58:51.420 spewing a bunch of stuff,

00:58:52.760 trying to look intelligent,

00:58:53.800 uh, trying to filibuster,

00:58:55.360 trying to redefine frames.

00:58:56.780 Can I do that stuff?

00:58:58.040 Sure.

00:58:58.420 Yeah.

00:58:58.640 Yeah, of course.

00:58:59.400 Yeah.

00:58:59.560 I can sit there, read a friend,

00:59:00.900 redefine frames on people.

00:59:02.300 I can dunk on people.

00:59:03.160 Like, obviously I do that on

00:59:04.760 Twitter.

00:59:05.020 I, that's a skill that I

00:59:06.360 have, but honestly, I just,

00:59:08.020 in person, I find it gross.

00:59:09.780 I find it a waste of time.

00:59:11.180 If I'm, if I'm going to make

00:59:12.240 someone look stupid, I just do

00:59:13.420 it on Twitter.

00:59:14.140 Uh, and then when I talk to

00:59:15.120 people in real life or

00:59:16.320 digitally, I want to get down to

00:59:18.100 like where we could agree,

00:59:19.220 where we can find common

00:59:20.060 ground, how we can solve

00:59:21.180 things, how we can at least

00:59:22.440 clarify our differences.

00:59:24.000 That's far more productive.

00:59:25.880 I, you know, Twitter is a

00:59:27.320 space where you can never have

00:59:28.240 debates, so I don't bother

00:59:29.260 having debates there.

00:59:30.300 But when I'm in a place where I

00:59:31.920 can't actually have a

00:59:32.660 discussion, I'd rather have a

00:59:33.620 discussion rather than trying

00:59:35.480 to get into some kind of

00:59:36.640 formal argument with people.

00:59:37.920 I just, I don't find it very

00:59:39.080 productive.

00:59:40.220 Uh, let's see.

00:59:42.160 Uh, uh, Thomas Squires says,

00:59:45.440 do you think that the WWE

00:59:46.920 approach to the convention

00:59:48.400 will be effective at actually

00:59:49.940 getting a white working class 0.93

00:59:51.300 people to vote?

00:59:51.900 Because most do not.

00:59:53.760 Could be, could be, uh,

00:59:55.080 again, uh, like I told people

00:59:56.860 on, on Twitter, uh, you know,

00:59:58.600 the conventions are pep rallies.

01:00:00.940 That's what they're for.

01:00:01.900 Someone's like, for who?

01:00:02.560 It's like, for the guy at

01:00:03.840 Walmart, that, that's who

01:00:05.020 they're for.

01:00:05.920 You know, a lot of, I could

01:00:08.460 probably write an entire book

01:00:09.360 on this, but a lot of people

01:00:10.480 who do political commentary

01:00:12.140 or political analysis for a

01:00:13.640 living need to spend more

01:00:15.000 time at Walmart.

01:00:16.420 And I don't say this as a man

01:00:18.140 of the people.

01:00:18.900 I don't say this as a populist.

01:00:20.300 I, I wrote an entire book

01:00:21.880 about elite theory.

01:00:23.000 I, you know, my entire channel

01:00:24.340 is dedicated to explaining

01:00:25.960 elite theory.

01:00:26.620 I'm obviously somebody who

01:00:27.800 believes that primarily elites

01:00:30.140 drive culture and drive

01:00:33.120 political decisions.

01:00:34.280 However, there is a reciprocity.

01:00:37.420 It's not just elites.

01:00:38.620 There is a certain level of

01:00:39.740 interaction with the average

01:00:40.620 person.

01:00:41.540 And one of the things that so

01:00:43.140 many people miss when they're

01:00:44.340 trying to do effective

01:00:45.100 political messaging is they

01:00:46.740 are constantly trying to

01:00:47.960 sound smart when they do

01:00:49.800 political messaging, which is

01:00:51.620 cool.

01:00:52.000 It has its uses.

01:00:52.920 Sometimes I try to sound

01:00:53.860 intelligent too, but also I

01:00:56.380 recognize that when you're

01:00:57.840 trying to reach a large

01:00:59.380 amount of people, when

01:01:00.080 you're trying to go wide

01:01:01.000 and sometimes, you know, I'm

01:01:02.380 not always trying to go

01:01:03.100 wide.

01:01:03.380 Sometimes I go wide and then

01:01:04.880 I go narrow.

01:01:05.520 I try to bring in a lot of

01:01:06.460 people on something and then

01:01:07.660 I try to explain a more

01:01:08.520 complex thing to the, you

01:01:10.280 know, the people who are

01:01:10.940 willing to kind of come

01:01:11.720 along and join on and pay

01:01:13.380 more attention.

01:01:14.180 But if you are intending to

01:01:15.480 go wide, then you need to 0.69

01:01:17.460 understand what the average

01:01:18.900 person is speaking about,

01:01:20.560 what their average person is

01:01:21.480 concerned about, and most

01:01:22.800 importantly, what their

01:01:24.440 culture is like.

01:01:25.460 And you may not like that

01:01:27.300 culture, but you better

01:01:29.520 learn it if you want to

01:01:30.660 rule people.

01:01:31.860 And let's not be weird or,

01:01:34.140 you know, let's, let's not

01:01:35.760 be self-effacing like, well,

01:01:39.080 that's what you're talking

01:01:39.720 about when you're talking

01:01:40.260 about politics is how

01:01:41.480 could, uh, how could you get

01:01:43.100 in a position to rule

01:01:43.940 something?

01:01:44.900 And if you want to

01:01:45.800 understand how to do that,

01:01:47.220 you need to speak the

01:01:48.000 language of the people that

01:01:49.540 you're supposed to be

01:01:50.080 talking to.

01:01:51.160 And the average person at

01:01:52.380 Walmart, you know what?

01:01:53.460 They knew who Amber Rose

01:01:55.300 is.

01:01:55.620 They knew who Hulk Hogan

01:01:56.600 is.

01:01:57.220 They knew who Dana White

01:01:58.340 is.

01:01:58.700 They knew who Kid Rock is.

01:02:00.200 They have no clue about

01:02:02.580 your obscure policy

01:02:04.420 position.

01:02:05.400 They do not care.

01:02:07.240 They do not care about the

01:02:09.520 specifics of your trade

01:02:10.940 policy or even about the

01:02:13.760 importance of particularities

01:02:15.820 inside a, uh, inside an

01:02:18.380 immigration policy.

01:02:19.360 Those things matter.

01:02:20.460 I care about those things,

01:02:21.740 obviously.

01:02:22.240 But when you're

01:02:23.240 communicating with the

01:02:24.180 masses, that is not the

01:02:26.280 way to do it.

01:02:27.580 Now, it doesn't mean that

01:02:28.980 it's not the job of the

01:02:29.700 elites to elevate culture.

01:02:31.420 Some, sometimes that's an

01:02:32.660 important aspect of what

01:02:33.660 you're doing.

01:02:34.600 And if you're a ruling

01:02:35.680 elite, you should absolutely

01:02:36.960 be doing it.

01:02:38.380 When you're recruiting

01:02:39.400 elites, you should a hundred

01:02:40.820 percent or, or people who

01:02:42.500 are, you know, going to be

01:02:43.440 somewhere mid tier, you

01:02:44.780 should absolutely be

01:02:45.860 winnowing.

01:02:46.460 You should not just be

01:02:47.280 opening the gates to

01:02:48.080 everybody.

01:02:48.500 You should not bring in 1.00

01:02:49.140 everybody who loves Hulk Hogan

01:02:51.080 or some rapper or

01:02:52.260 something.

01:02:52.820 That's not your job.

01:02:53.980 But when you are

01:02:54.840 specifically having an event

01:02:56.560 to speak to the masses,

01:02:57.820 yeah, that's what you're

01:02:59.700 going to do.

01:03:00.420 That's what you're going to

01:03:01.160 do.

01:03:01.540 And it's okay.

01:03:02.620 It's okay to speak on

01:03:03.760 different levels.

01:03:04.880 It's okay to have multiple

01:03:06.560 strategies.

01:03:07.100 It's okay to go low

01:03:08.540 resolution to high

01:03:09.320 resolution.

01:03:10.180 These things are okay.

01:03:11.980 Don't be above it.

01:03:13.120 Don't be above understanding

01:03:14.620 the Walmart shopper.

01:03:15.840 You are not better than

01:03:17.400 these people.

01:03:19.100 But if you're going to be

01:03:20.400 in charge of these people,

01:03:21.540 you need to go ahead and

01:03:22.720 understand them.

01:03:23.800 That's really critically

01:03:25.000 important.

01:03:25.900 And a lot of people in

01:03:26.860 politics don't get this.

01:03:28.480 They do not understand this.

01:03:30.420 And that's a huge failure on

01:03:32.360 their part.

01:03:33.380 All right, guys, I'm going to

01:03:34.300 go ahead and wrap this up.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - July 19, 2024

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