The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Strange Victimization of OJ Simpson ｜ Guest： The Good Ol Boyz

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00:00:37.080 So, O.J. Simpson died last week, and there was a very strange response by the news media.

00:00:44.760 It felt like everyone was doing that Norm MacDonald meme.

00:00:48.280 Well, I think the real terrible thing was the murder.

00:00:51.960 Everyone, of course, remembers O.J. Simpson for the murder trial that was hugely famous.

00:00:58.320 And kind of the aftermath of that.

00:01:00.940 But it seemed like in all of the news headlines, the most important thing was the victimhood of O.J. Simpson.

00:01:07.380 He had been a victim of the system.

00:01:09.100 And this trial revealed all this racial strife in the United States for the first time.

00:01:14.760 Very laughable in a lot of ways, but very tragically revealing in others.

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00:01:35.520 So, I don't know about you, but I was of this age where this is one of the first, like, large public events to break through into my consciousness.

00:01:46.520 I was in—actually, I was still in elementary school when this happened.

00:01:50.420 And so, it was one of those things where all the adults suddenly wanted to rush and watch everything that was happening with it.

00:01:57.260 The teachers at school wanted to, like, roll out the TV on the old tray, you know, the old cart that they had and turn it on so they could watch different aspects of the trial.

00:02:07.060 But most of us didn't really understand what was going on.

00:02:10.860 And so, I want to dive into all of this, you know, the kind of remembering the OJ trial, the impact that it had, and why the news media responded the way it did.

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00:03:28.760 So, I don't know about you.

00:03:30.620 I'm known for kind of being cynical, especially when it comes to the news media.

00:03:36.420 There's not a lot that really surprises me when they're particularly horrific.

00:03:41.720 But I got to say, the OJ one did catch me a little bit by surprise.

00:03:46.220 I mean, the man is, again, famous mostly at this point for murdering a woman.

00:03:51.480 And you think that in today's political environment, that would matter, right?

00:03:57.360 That that's the victimhood, that that would be kind of the big deal.

00:04:01.780 However, every headline was kind of was about the racial aspect, which I think says something about the way that our public consciousness, our public religion has shifted.

00:04:12.080 We had people on CNN saying that, well, you know, really, black America just wanted to watch a rich black person get away with murder.

00:04:21.020 You know, we had pundits talking about how important it was for a black person to get away with killing their spouse.

00:04:29.600 We had the AP talking about how really it was the murder trial that robbed OJ Simpson of the American dream.

00:04:38.160 Were you guys surprised that this was the narrative that was immediately adopted by the media?

00:04:42.520 I was surprised that the media basically mourned, mourned his death with tears and jubilee and sort of, well, you know, because he's the one that gave them all jobs.

00:05:00.580 I mean, OJ, Juice, his, the, I mean, even if you're a zoomer, your entire world is, is, I mean, is basically created by Juice and like the closest thing we've had to this is George Floyd in terms of, I mean, the trial had so many effects.

00:05:24.560 Like, uh, I don't know if you guys, like, do you guys remember watching, like being what news was like before the OJ trial?

00:05:33.920 I mean, you, you could tune into C-SPAN and like, they would start off like on Monday with a letter to like a letter to the editor written in the Washington Post or whatever, which would be discussed all week.

00:05:48.000 And like, uh, so 24 hour news cycle, Juice, reality TV, Juice, uh, sort of, uh, the thing about reality TV, and this was reported on by, by everybody was that, uh, so everyone's always kind of known that, um, uh, reality is stranger than fiction.

00:06:08.860 And, uh, you know, we have a lot of very talented people in places like, you know, Hollywood and television, stuff like that.

00:06:14.720 Uh, they're very expensive.

00:06:16.460 It costs a lot of money to pay them.

00:06:18.280 And, um, you don't have to, you could just point a camera at, at sort of crazy people.

00:06:24.200 It's like Dennis Rodman or, you know, any of these, these sort of, uh, random sort of alcoholic psychopaths, athletes and stuff.

00:06:33.920 And, uh, you don't have to pay people.

00:06:36.000 It's a lot cheaper.

00:06:37.320 Uh, this is why, you know, we got rid of bands.

00:06:39.620 Like you ever see these old, um, uh, you ever see like Dion and,

00:06:44.720 uh, what was Dion's backing band, Merrick?

00:06:48.180 Uh, Dion, uh, the, the Wanderers guy?

00:06:52.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:06:53.940 I don't remember.

00:06:54.940 I just remember Dion.

00:06:56.240 Uh, Dion, you ever see him, like his backing bands, like 40 guys, right?

00:07:01.440 That's expensive.

00:07:02.700 You can replace all those guys with a DJ.

00:07:05.140 Well, this reality TV was, uh, a version of that.

00:07:08.320 And so they, they got rid of all these wonderful, they got rid of all these TV people and they

00:07:12.640 replaced them with news people, all these news people, all these assholes, sorry, all

00:07:18.380 these a-holes you see on TV, like all this stuff started with juice.

00:07:22.420 I mean, there, there, there was not, none of this stuff really exists.

00:07:25.120 You had a little, you have like Sally, Jesse and stuff like that, but it was like, um, even

00:07:30.820 them, they didn't really know what they were doing.

00:07:33.100 Like, uh, how Geraldo Rivera was like the guy that was like, he was there before and

00:07:38.680 he adapted.

00:07:39.500 I think he, isn't, he's still going.

00:07:41.380 Yeah.

00:07:41.900 Yeah.

00:07:42.140 Him and Phil Donahue, uh, was the other, yeah.

00:07:44.640 They were kind of like the two debate or, uh, they would kind of do the soap opera style

00:07:50.920 news.

00:07:51.600 You're right to say that this shifted everything.

00:07:53.940 I didn't really immediately think about the way that this was connected to the, the 24

00:07:58.940 hour news cycle, but obviously this was the birth of, of, uh, kind of the news channel,

00:08:04.540 the CNN and other, other 24 hour news stations is, is just before this.

00:08:09.340 And so this is really the event that actually gets people to watch that regularly.

00:08:13.480 Of course, it also gives us the birth of the Kardashians, uh, because the patriarch of that

00:08:18.160 family is connected to this.

00:08:19.840 And so in a lot of ways, this shifts the, the news industry, the shifts, the entertainment

00:08:24.740 industry, and, uh, it really had an incredible level of cultural penetration.

00:08:30.380 Like I said, I was too young to remember OJ Simpson really as a star athlete and maybe

00:08:36.340 just a little bit, uh, you know, appearing in a few movies.

00:08:40.300 Uh, but all of a sudden he was everywhere.

00:08:42.240 Like I said, the, the, I remember being at a birthday party at my friend's house when I

00:08:47.060 was in elementary school and all the adults made a stop, whatever we were doing so they

00:08:50.700 could watch the Bronco chase on the TV.

00:08:54.160 Uh, every time there was a development in the courtroom, you know, it was like school

00:08:58.320 stopped.

00:08:58.960 It was this nationwide event in, in a way that we just rarely see these things anymore.

00:09:03.940 I don't know if you guys remember, uh, pogs.

00:09:06.220 I don't know if you're, yeah, the pog game where you had to like slam these bottle caps

00:09:11.220 with the, with, with a slammer and everything.

00:09:12.780 And the pog, some of the pogs had like, don't squeeze the juice on them with like OJ's numbs

00:09:19.080 or like, that's the level that it got to like a kid's toy, which otherwise would not be

00:09:24.540 connected to anything like this was had that had like jokes from that printed on it.

00:09:28.780 That it was a level of kind of ubiquity.

00:09:31.380 This trial had throughout pop culture.

00:09:34.260 Well, the, the golf war kind of birthed, I guess, 24 hour cable news.

00:09:39.320 But I think the OJ trial was the first time they realized not just that you could, you

00:09:44.560 know, you can run that crap 24 seven and people will watch it, but how many people will

00:09:48.960 watch it?

00:09:49.600 For example, the Bronco chase was watched by more people that year than the super bowl.

00:09:53.200 I remember, I remember that distinctly when I was a kid, I mean, I didn't care about the

00:09:58.400 news, but I saw, you know, I looked over the television and they're watching this, this

00:10:02.720 halfback being chased through Southern California.

00:10:07.860 More importantly, how many people watch the trial every day for like half a year?

00:10:14.640 And this wasn't just like something like Sally, Jesse, Raphael, whatever that was kind of

00:10:19.800 stuff for board housewives.

00:10:20.980 Like a lot of people watch the OJ trial and followed it.

00:10:24.420 It certainly created the true, you know, the true crime genre of, you know, think about

00:10:31.820 if you add up like Nancy Grace, people like that, the serial podcast, even today, I think

00:10:38.180 one of the, like the top three podcasts are true crime, right?

00:10:42.840 Like it's, if it's not the top three there, it's loaded with them.

00:10:47.540 Yeah.

00:10:47.700 People love this stuff.

00:10:48.760 And then they, no one realized that people would watch this crap before OJ Simpson.

00:10:53.960 Juice is, there's a lot of things about him that, that's like, um, you have to remember,

00:10:59.060 I have to remind myself because, uh, all of us were too young.

00:11:02.240 Um, really like to, uh, like one, like one thing is like, even, I don't know how big the

00:11:08.000 NFL is, is, uh, it's always been like the, I don't know how long the NFL is, uh, you could

00:11:14.320 say it's the biggest sport, but, um, uh, I don't like these days, uh, running backs are

00:11:19.500 basically disposable people, right?

00:11:21.280 They just like, uh, there's no, I don't know.

00:11:24.280 I don't think running backs win MVPs and stuff anymore.

00:11:27.160 You know, uh, they have all this West coast offense.

00:11:30.020 It's now the quarterback is, is the kind of the guy, uh, but that wasn't the case back

00:11:34.980 in the old, back in the old days, uh, the running, like running backs were huge.

00:11:39.860 And OJ was basically, he was the best.

00:11:44.400 He rushed for 2000 yards, which is completely insane.

00:11:48.060 You think about all the, well, I mean, so that's a, that's a huge deal.

00:11:52.480 I'm not trying to blow up juice and say that, uh, Oh, this is a great guy.

00:11:56.520 I'm trying to like, why, why, like, why, what were the?

00:12:00.020 The things that sort of snowballed.

00:12:01.780 So you had him as like this California guy, you know, he was from San Francisco and then

00:12:07.020 he plays at USC and he's the best running back like ever his career.

00:12:13.900 Like he starts in the pros and 68.

00:12:16.500 And so like, uh, whatever, anything you do in America, uh, if you do it, if you did it

00:12:22.440 from 1968 to 1972, it's magnified times a hundred, I don't know why, but like, if you had a big

00:12:29.260 hit or something, uh, and it happened from 68 to 72, uh, I guess this is when everyone

00:12:34.420 got back from the Vietnam war, whatever.

00:12:36.840 That is why we're stuck with the Eagles forever.

00:12:38.700 Is that the, yes.

00:12:40.760 Um, and so, you know, he, and he, he's there by the way, there's a funny thing about this.

00:12:46.980 So, and he, he immediately gets going in Hollywood and it's weird.

00:12:51.920 Cause like, you don't really think of him as like as big star, but I mean, he was always

00:12:56.080 doing stuff.

00:12:57.180 Uh, you know, he was supposed to be the terminator.

00:13:00.980 They were going to, he was, they were going to make him the terminator, terminator one.

00:13:05.180 But, uh, uh, Cameron said, nobody will believe this guy is a killer.

00:13:12.240 He's such a nice guy.

00:13:14.480 Um, and so you got that stuff going, but I mean, I think that like some of the real important

00:13:19.480 things about this is, uh, you know, America was kind of stuffy and I always think about this

00:13:26.220 with Rome and stuff like that.

00:13:27.840 People understand Rome the wrong way.

00:13:29.680 Like, you know, they'll say like, um, Oh, people in Rome were like wild sex perverts

00:13:34.280 and stuff.

00:13:34.620 And like, when you read the Romans, like, uh, you don't get that at all.

00:13:38.460 You get the exact opposite.

00:13:39.500 Like they will accuse people.

00:13:41.420 They'll say like, uh, they will like, they will like use this as a slur.

00:13:45.800 They'll say, uh, you're a sex pervert or whatever.

00:13:48.160 Uh, some people are dumb.

00:13:49.900 They'll take that the wrong way.

00:13:50.900 No, they're saying like, um, uh, they have like a, a, a cultural thing about this.

00:13:55.380 America was pretty damn stuffy at like anything from like our upper middle class and up were,

00:14:02.720 I mean, I'm not saying like they, we, we were, uh, I don't know if you say snotty stuffy.

00:14:08.620 Uh, uh, I mean, we were a pretty reserved people.

00:14:11.980 Look at watch, watch someone like Tom broke off on TV or something and just look at his

00:14:18.020 mannerisms and America thought this is the most relatable person.

00:14:21.040 And this is a very, you know, the, the, but that's not what Americans were.

00:14:25.440 But when people saw the OJ trial, uh, all these people, like, I think everyone sat around

00:14:31.460 and said, you know, America's changed a lot.

00:14:34.280 And these people, you know, this is where you got, if you watch, watching the OJ trial,

00:14:39.940 watching these programs, like, um, Howard Stern and, uh, uh, someone brought it up in the

00:14:47.120 comments, who was the guy, the Chicago, I think he was the mayor of Chicago or something

00:14:51.340 at some point.

00:14:51.880 No, he was the mayor of another town, but, um, uh, Springer, um, Springer and stuff.

00:14:57.040 America was changing and people were ready to tolerate stuff that, that, you know, back

00:15:02.280 in the old days, like, uh, uh, if there was, you know, GZ talks about that, like, if there

00:15:07.980 was underwear in a scene, they would have, they would replace the underwear with just like,

00:15:13.100 like, uh, uh, cloth that, that, that, that just looks like random cloth because, uh, Americans

00:15:18.920 would be, would be like, what are they showing underwear on the screen?

00:15:22.420 That's ridiculous.

00:15:23.720 And that's only a short amount of time later.

00:15:26.000 I think this is where, this is where TV, lots of people just sat around and said, well,

00:15:30.740 you know, maybe your America's ready for, uh, something a bit more like this, the country

00:15:36.520 had, had actually changed.

00:15:38.560 And this is where America got a lot sleazier is what you're saying.

00:15:42.140 Yeah.

00:15:42.900 And like, it's, we were basically, I think people in Hollywood and stuff like that, they

00:15:47.640 realized we could tolerate a lot more.

00:15:50.460 And this is where you saw, uh, well, you saw what people like the Kardashians were doing

00:15:55.820 on TV and stuff, that kind of stuff.

00:15:57.820 Um, like, you know, who, we all know that, you know, all kinds of wild stuff was going

00:16:02.860 on in Hollywood, but they were very careful and about what they presented to us.

00:16:08.260 You know, they, they thought, oh, these Americans will ride if they, you know, they see a

00:16:11.660 pair of underwear on the TV and they realize, oh, these Americans, they'll, they'll suck

00:16:15.260 up the trashiest stuff there is.

00:16:17.360 They love it.

00:16:18.300 Well, I don't think that it was like a conscious decision.

00:16:21.820 They like, okay, well, I guess we can push the boundaries further.

00:16:24.540 Here's what I think happened.

00:16:25.780 First of all, you, the people who prevent, like, you know, the people who were complaining

00:16:29.920 about the underwear or, you know, what loose, how Lucille Ball should not have a, a two person

00:16:35.500 bed and on the camera, that was a very dedicated minority of people who would write letters

00:16:41.580 and exert social pressure on the TV networks and people who were show creators.

00:16:47.840 Like, you know, the guy in my PFP here, Rod Serling complained about this endlessly.

00:16:52.660 If he pissed off, you know, the precursors to the evangelicals, they would write the studio

00:16:59.240 and scare them and, and the make, bring him to heel.

00:17:02.080 Now we have a lot of familiarity with that today and the shoes on the other foot now, unfortunately.

00:17:07.700 And B you have, it's just like a mechanical thing where there, when there were three networks,

00:17:14.060 there was a limit to how much stuff could be on.

00:17:16.940 There was a limit to how much content you could blast out in the people's brains.

00:17:21.480 Cable completely eradicated that there was no limit, which meant that there just like

00:17:26.420 any, like, if you, if you're a sport, like you're talking about sports, you're a sports

00:17:29.740 fan, whenever there's expansions, whenever there's new talent pools, there's this dilution

00:17:34.980 that is inescapable.

00:17:37.700 And that's what happened in the nineties with cable TV.

00:17:40.440 It diluted, it diluted the entire media landscape and yeah, they've realized, Hey, we can get

00:17:46.180 away with a lot of stuff now.

00:17:47.360 And they're those people who were writing letters in the fifties and sixties, they're

00:17:51.420 not around anymore.

00:17:52.280 They don't care.

00:17:53.000 We can get away with this.

00:17:54.020 Nobody's going to stop us.

00:17:55.360 It's dirt cheap to produce.

00:17:57.380 And you know, here we are today.

00:17:59.260 So you social media, reality TV, that's what you get.

00:18:04.340 What you get, what you pay for real quick.

00:18:06.320 I do want to stick on this.

00:18:07.820 Like, I do want to stick by this point real quick of the, like, uh, look at, look at everyone

00:18:13.380 has seen and remarked upon a little bit.

00:18:15.860 It's, it's one of those things like, um, uh, they're used to like, uh, like these little

00:18:21.200 scenes that you see that sort of your brain is like, you know, something's there, but

00:18:24.800 you're not sure.

00:18:25.200 Like, uh, like, you know, in the nineties, whenever you see pictures in Africa, there would

00:18:30.920 be flies on people's face.

00:18:32.700 And like that really bothered people, but no one really talked about it.

00:18:36.160 It's kind of a hard thing to get into.

00:18:37.480 Well, the American thing, like, uh, a particular scene for America was like, uh, looking at

00:18:43.020 the Yankees games and every single person there is wearing like this 12 piece suit.

00:18:48.760 Even if you know, they ain't got two nickels to rub together.

00:18:51.300 Or once again, watching like all these discussions on TV or, or, you know, people like Tom Brokaw

00:18:57.480 or something, we were a pretty damn, like we were a very, I mean, uh, you, you, you want

00:19:06.920 to present yourself as the, as this, uh, stuffy person.

00:19:11.460 You know what I'm saying?

00:19:12.500 That we were just, that was just kind of what we were, what we were like.

00:19:16.620 Yeah.

00:19:17.140 We had some standards, I suppose.

00:19:19.160 Yeah.

00:19:19.960 And I do agree that, that there, I don't think, I mean, to me, the, the, the, the, the way

00:19:25.200 this worked was just, I don't think it was planned.

00:19:27.980 It was just, Hey, this feels fine.

00:19:30.560 And we did this.

00:19:31.720 It was crazy, but it worked out.

00:19:34.460 It was fine.

00:19:35.600 Let's give it a little more.

00:19:37.140 And the thing, it was just so much cheaper.

00:19:39.980 This, all these, all these TV stations racking up record profits.

00:19:45.120 Uh, people were tuning in nonstop and it was the cheapest thing in the world for the TV

00:19:49.940 station to produce.

00:19:51.180 Yeah.

00:19:51.660 It really does create this shift in what a media personality is.

00:19:56.660 You know, there used to be a pretty hard line between somebody who, uh, was an actor, someone

00:20:02.820 who, you know, did prepared content and was performing on camera.

00:20:06.460 And a news person who was somebody who was supposed to be, you know, cultivating trust and delivering

00:20:13.120 very important information.

00:20:14.860 And obviously, like you said, that this wasn't the only thing that launched cable news, but

00:20:20.040 it was the first thing that allowed a lot of these personalities to emerge.

00:20:25.240 Suddenly news commentator became something that, uh, was, was more, more about entertainment

00:20:32.060 and more, you know, you, you were not just delivering facts.

00:20:36.540 It was your job to hold people's attention and, uh, you know, suss out different aspects

00:20:42.000 that were salacious of the trial.

00:20:44.680 What were people wearing?

00:20:45.900 What's the background of everybody?

00:20:47.860 You start to get the, the emergence of personalities that are built up and influence their culture.

00:20:53.840 All the seeds of that kind of enter into the, to, to, I think the, the public consciousness

00:20:59.200 at this time.

00:21:00.000 Um, but of course, along with the fact that this trial really changed the way that, uh,

00:21:06.920 a lot of news media portrayed events, it also, I think hearkens back to, to kind of the,

00:21:14.100 uh, a cycle, you know, we look at the riots of 2020, we look at the deification of someone

00:21:20.880 like George Floyd, and it's easy to forget that this is actually not very new, that this

00:21:27.440 is something that, uh, has, has happened multiple times in the past.

00:21:31.540 Maybe, maybe George Floyd's, uh, being sainted is, it feels different because of kind of how

00:21:38.020 unknown and how like, obviously degenerate this guy was as where Simpson was seen as this clean

00:21:45.080 tech guy in a lot of ways.

00:21:46.600 He was accomplished.

00:21:48.300 He was an actor.

00:21:49.060 He was a, a, a record setting, uh, legendary athlete.

00:21:53.800 So the fact that he was kind of given this amount of attention, uh, made a little more

00:22:00.580 sense to people.

00:22:01.560 So this, so the, this, and that happening to someone like George Floyd or, uh, you know,

00:22:06.220 Trayvon Martin seems more extreme in some ways, but in others, this is a continuation of

00:22:10.940 a very long process.

00:22:12.160 They have to remember that this trial is taking place just a few years after the LA riots

00:22:17.200 and the, and kind of the buzz around this, uh, trial the whole time is, is this going

00:22:22.560 to create another riot situation?

00:22:24.060 If, if, if OJ is found guilty, if, if the entire United States, if all of black America

00:22:29.920 was watching this trial and this man is, is found guilty, whether he's actually guilty

00:22:34.240 or not is immaterial.

00:22:36.020 The real question is, will this create civil unrest because it's such a highly publicized

00:22:41.360 trial?

00:22:42.900 Yes.

00:22:43.540 And you know, there's, there's so many ways that this trial is super important.

00:22:48.400 A lot of ways.

00:22:48.900 I know there's some people listening as they're shouting at their screens saying, why, why

00:22:52.120 aren't you discussing this other?

00:22:53.100 And, you know, just to touch on a couple of them, uh, racial politics, massive here.

00:22:58.960 And there's, there's so many things to talk about, you know, with that and LA, you know,

00:23:04.600 LA in like the fifties is a cow town, you know, by, by the time of the LA riots,

00:23:11.800 it is, uh, you know, well, you know, it was sort of halfway in between, uh, it's a cow

00:23:19.640 town and the LA riots.

00:23:21.120 LA is the coolest place in the world.

00:23:23.160 This is where, you know, this is where like the electric guitars and hot rods and all this

00:23:28.340 kind of stuff came out.

00:23:29.260 LA was, is, was, is the most American city.

00:23:33.300 It's the most American city.

00:23:34.900 Cause it's not really a city.

00:23:36.600 It's like just this, it's like, uh, uh, you know, you don't live downtown LA, you know,

00:23:42.320 you live in Pasadena with it, with a, with a house in a backyard and you drive a, you

00:23:47.440 drive a, uh, a car and stuff.

00:23:49.340 No, it's not the most American city.

00:23:50.820 It's the most 20th century city, but I get what you're saying.

00:23:54.500 Yeah.

00:23:54.920 Like you're not going to have, there's no LA in France.

00:23:57.740 You know what I mean?

00:23:59.340 Right.

00:23:59.520 L LA is like, like a Orlando and stuff.

00:24:02.420 And so you look at, look at LA.

00:24:05.020 So, uh, you have, you have the riots and you have, uh, the riots have, which is what

00:24:12.460 we're, I mean, so it's coming out.

00:24:15.280 Like, so there's been interviews now that like, uh, there's a lot of stuff about this,

00:24:19.300 about this stuff that like white people didn't understand.

00:24:22.340 And one of the things we found out is that, uh, black people really didn't like OJ that

00:24:29.040 much.

00:24:29.540 They saw him as bait.

00:24:31.160 Like he was kind of a sellout, uh, which I mean, in a way of like, you know, it's not

00:24:36.140 like, it's not like he, it's not like he, he, uh, he was, I mean, he was never really

00:24:41.100 a hood guy.

00:24:42.280 You know what I mean?

00:24:42.640 Like he was, uh, he was the opposite.

00:24:45.440 Yes.

00:24:46.020 Right.

00:24:46.360 And so, uh, you know, it was like an Obama figure, right.

00:24:50.620 Clean cut, articulate, et cetera.

00:24:53.120 Right.

00:24:53.540 And, but you know, like what, what, uh, the, the, basically to make a long story short,

00:25:00.680 uh, that, that is like, so like, so is, uh, you know, Kobe doesn't really, Kobe like grew

00:25:07.360 up overseas and stuff.

00:25:08.920 Uh, what, what really they don't like about, uh, uh, OJ is the interracial, uh, marriage,

00:25:16.060 which, um, is more controversial in that community than you might know, but, uh, they said they

00:25:21.160 didn't really care.

00:25:21.840 This is, they want to be payback for these LA riots and stuff.

00:25:24.360 But, uh, you, I would just take, here's a snapshot from the LA riots I think is important

00:25:28.940 to look at.

00:25:29.360 So you have someone like, who's that history podcaster, uh, Dan Carlin, Dan Carlin, Carlin

00:25:36.620 was like a, uh, a reporter for the LA times during the riots.

00:25:42.080 And he was like walking the streets while this was happening.

00:25:45.300 Now, if you ask Dan Carlin, I have heard Dan Carlin say that he honestly believed, so

00:25:52.740 he would man the phones.

00:25:54.280 Like they have like a phone, people call in and say, here's the news or whatever.

00:25:57.200 Uh, can you come look at this news?

00:25:59.620 He said that while he was working there, like there would be all these phone calls all the

00:26:05.160 time.

00:26:05.960 And like, he believed that, uh, the LAPD, which you could have, we could talk about LAPD

00:26:13.480 for four hours.

00:26:14.500 LAPD is a force in and of itself.

00:26:17.140 I mean, it's a huge deal.

00:26:18.880 Like they're very innovative.

00:26:20.400 They did their own.

00:26:21.180 It's not just like another police force, but anyways, uh, that LA that like, Hey, there'd be

00:26:26.960 some, some black mother, you're like, well, the LAPD just PD came by and they beat the

00:26:31.200 ass out of my black son for no reason, blah, blah, blah.

00:26:34.180 And he claimed he believed this stuff.

00:26:36.520 Well, uh, LA riots happens.

00:26:38.760 And what someone like Dan Carlin did and not just picking him out for no reason, because

00:26:43.920 Dan Carlin represented an entire movement.

00:26:46.480 Uh, what Dan Carlin did is all these, there was a lot of white people in LA that after

00:26:54.380 the riots happened, they created Boulder, Colorado.

00:26:57.540 They created, uh, Seattle.

00:26:59.740 I mean, there's Seattle existed, but it didn't exist like before all these people just left.

00:27:05.220 They were scared of LA at this point.

00:27:08.300 You had stuff like Reginald Denny getting killed and stuff.

00:27:11.160 Uh, he didn't get killed, but yeah.

00:27:14.060 Well, he didn't.

00:27:15.560 No, I'm pretty sure Reginald Denny.

00:27:17.040 Yeah.

00:27:17.340 Reginald Denny survived.

00:27:18.640 Okay.

00:27:19.140 Gotcha.

00:27:19.700 But he got the tar beat out of him.

00:27:21.440 Yeah.

00:27:21.900 Right.

00:27:22.300 So this is where, you know, you had all these like, uh, nice liberal white people saying

00:27:26.200 like, yeah, the police here are corrupt.

00:27:28.780 They just beat the ass out of black people randomly.

00:27:31.680 Uh, but I also, I'm leaving cause I'm scared of black people in LA.

00:27:36.520 I'll say this about the trial.

00:27:39.280 I, from my perspective, I lived in the same place I live now, rural Virginia.

00:27:44.260 And the common view that people had was that he would be found guilty because the, like,

00:27:52.980 there was so much evidence against him that it would be basically impossible for him.

00:27:56.200 For anybody not to convict them.

00:27:57.580 And then what would happen would be, there would be another LA riot that that was going

00:28:01.540 to happen.

00:28:02.100 That's what everybody here believed was going to occur.

00:28:06.480 And, and there was open speculation in the media about whether or not, because like if

00:28:12.260 you, if, if for the zoomers out there, the LA riots, I mean, the inciting incident supposedly

00:28:18.740 was the not guilty verdict of the cops who beat the crap out of, uh, Rodney King.

00:28:23.940 And that, that, that set off a, how's it was a three, four day riot that ended up having

00:28:30.980 the national guard show up.

00:28:32.440 So like everybody said, yeah, this is going to happen again with this happened two years

00:28:35.800 ago, whatever.

00:28:36.580 We're going to see a repeat of this.

00:28:38.080 Like this wasn't even a question.

00:28:39.520 Like, yeah, they're definitely going to riot when he's convicted.

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00:29:13.600 Yeah.

00:29:14.160 It's one of those things, like I said, you, you hear commentators today talk about the

00:29:18.500 importance of the racial reckoning of, of 2020 and how, you know, this is a, a sea change

00:29:24.700 in the way that, you know, race relations, all these happen.

00:29:27.580 And you kind of realize like, actually all you need to do is have a memory like every 20

00:29:33.380 to 30 years.

00:29:34.140 It seems like actually this, this just came comes and cycles back in again.

00:29:38.580 And, and, and you can have all the reckonings you want, but it seems, it doesn't seem to

00:29:42.900 change the underlying dynamic there.

00:29:45.120 And it really is amazing.

00:29:46.640 Like you said, H.J.

00:29:48.400 Simpson was not really accepted by a lot of the black community.

00:29:51.000 There was a lot of tension, uh, famously, uh, Johnny Cochran, his lawyer, you know, one

00:29:56.660 of the many amazing personalities that exploded out of this kind of soap opera drama in the

00:30:02.300 courtroom, uh, famously went in and changed, redecorated OJ Simpson's house so that when

00:30:09.180 the jurors show up, they didn't find a bunch of pictures of him, uh, you know, hanging out

00:30:15.020 with Donald Trump.

00:30:15.980 And yeah, it's, it was a lot, a lot of pictures of him, uh, with not a lot of black people

00:30:21.260 and they, a naked picture of Paula was a Paula Barbieri, his, his girlfriend, there's a giant

00:30:27.260 naked portrait of her that they replaced with, uh, I believe they took, uh, in, uh, shoot

00:30:33.240 Norman Rockwell painting.

00:30:35.140 Yeah.

00:30:36.100 Yeah.

00:30:36.320 Yeah.

00:30:36.540 I think it was one that became one that was supposed to be like a symbol of the end of

00:30:40.380 segregation, public schools or something like that.

00:30:42.760 And so, yeah, they, they completely redid his house to make him look, uh, you know,

00:30:47.260 more, more black to, to, to be, to be more part of a community.

00:30:50.720 And so there really was this, you know, effort of the, the prosecution to play into this dynamic

00:30:57.280 for a guy who really didn't fit into that struggle or that, that identity or that community

00:31:03.580 really had gone out of his way to kind of distance himself as much as possible from that

00:31:09.040 dynamic. But once they realized that this was going to have a significant weight on the

00:31:14.700 jury and that, that the fact that a riot could come and this kind of thing, uh, was, was probably

00:31:20.060 going to change the way that the jury understood, uh, the decision they were going to make, they

00:31:24.800 played very heavily into this.

00:31:26.700 And so, uh, again, just all of these things that we think of as, uh, modern inventions of,

00:31:32.800 uh, kind of the current racial tensions or, uh, the, the things that we're told of that

00:31:36.780 that we're coming to a head because of, uh, kind of, kind of all the dynamics and in 2020,

00:31:41.540 these kinds of things actually are very old and actually are things that, uh, don't seem

00:31:45.680 to go away no matter how much is, uh, you know, done or how many inroads are made and

00:31:51.020 how many, you know, how many deals are cut and how much wrecking, how many reckonings we

00:31:54.920 have. Uh, they, they just seem to be dynamics that are recurring over and over again.

00:31:59.580 And so I think it, like I said, it was just very funny to watch a lot of people be shocked

00:32:03.840 that this guy who, who very obviously, you know, murdered a woman, uh, is, is really

00:32:10.700 treated with cape gloves.

00:32:11.860 And the most important thing for the media and many others is, uh, that, you know, his

00:32:18.100 trial shows the tensions between those things.

00:32:20.900 And the thing that everybody really wanted in the media was to, to watch this guy walk.

00:32:26.180 Uh, that was far more important than anything when it comes to actually holding someone accountable

00:32:31.540 for violence against women, which is supposed to be something that we care about.

00:32:35.240 The only thing that really changes about this is power's reaction to it and how far they're

00:32:41.980 willing to take it. You know, in the sixties, you have a race riot and, you know, 20 people

00:32:46.600 get shot by the national guard and, you know, the, the L word media, it says, Oh, this is tragic.

00:32:54.920 You know, this didn't ever happen, blah, blah, blah. Uh, this is ultimately, this is, this

00:33:00.600 is the fault of the white establishment, but they don't say it in those terms that they,

00:33:05.620 they frame it a lot more gently because regular people just simply are not prepared in 1960 to

00:33:13.080 accept that your city just gets burnt down every, every generation because, you know, the

00:33:19.280 Democrat party politics, when the nineties roll around, it was funny because there was this

00:33:24.380 push and pull. There were people who were angry at Bush and, and, uh, was it Gates, the police

00:33:29.800 chief for initially for not stopping the riots and not using the police and national guard

00:33:36.240 effectively to which were like, really what you're saying is you didn't bring in the national

00:33:40.640 guards to crack heads and shoot people fast enough. But then afterwards they said, well,

00:33:44.740 actually this all happened because the LAPD is evil and racist. Uh, we just, every generation,

00:33:51.280 they get closer to like their true feelings about the rhetoric. And like now in our generation,

00:33:57.280 we've seen it come like with George Floyd and everything that's happened. Now, uh, police

00:34:02.820 officers will be put on, will be put on trial and face life in prison for, you know, doing

00:34:09.140 what police officers are supposed to do. I guess I want to say, well, we're, we're kind of

00:34:15.140 approaching the point where what they think and what they say are kind of the same, but that's

00:34:21.060 probably not true. We probably have not even plumbed the depths of this yet. I, 20 years from now,

00:34:27.160 I, it, there, there are foreign examples, but I won't bring them up, but it could always get a lot

00:34:34.140 worse. Yeah. It does feel like there's a, you know, there was a revolution started much earlier

00:34:40.500 where a much more competent set of elites had to start this, uh, kind of long march through the

00:34:47.360 criminal justice institutions. And like you said, start conditioning people to the idea that this

00:34:53.540 just happens to your city. And they had to use very different rhetoric and justifications and

00:34:58.220 they could only allow so much of it. And over time, uh, you know, this has become something that

00:35:03.280 people have been conditioned to just accept. This is just part of life. This is what happens.

00:35:06.940 In fact, not only does it happen, you probably deserve it. Uh, you know, and, and every iteration

00:35:12.520 of this gets a little more blatant, you know, in, in the kind of the LA riots, you had the rooftop

00:35:17.320 Koreans and the rooftop Koreans become a meme because they're allowed to protect themselves,

00:35:22.780 right? Like there's a, there's a dynamic there where, um, they're, they're still allowed to see

00:35:27.760 themselves as a community that, that doesn't just get run over in this situation. And this kind of

00:35:33.260 leads us to then like the Kyle Rittenhouses, uh, of, of kind of the 2020, uh, movement and,

00:35:39.620 and, uh, with the two, uh, the two, uh, the couple in Atlanta, I'm trying to remember their name off the

00:35:45.140 top of my head. Uh, but, but these kind of become the new, you know, new icons. Now it's, it's basically

00:35:50.320 illegal for them to protect themselves. Uh, the, the, the next iteration of the rooftop Koreans are,

00:35:56.040 are basically completely illegal. And now we're to the point where, you know, we're, we're watching

00:36:00.220 these, uh, you know, pro-Palestinian, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, protests kind of hold up traffic to

00:36:08.020 airports and everything. And just, no one feels like they can do anything. Like there's, there's,

00:36:12.100 everyone has given up. The police officers know they're only there to protect the lawbreakers

00:36:16.360 and everyone else knows that's why they're there. They're not there to stop any crime.

00:36:19.940 They're only there to stop the people who would stop crime. Uh, and this is just considered kind

00:36:24.040 of part of life. This is the way that we, we kind of view our interactions with the regime,

00:36:29.080 with law enforcement, uh, with kind of, uh, foot soldiers of political leftist political power.

00:36:34.900 Now, uh, the, the only, the only reason to even pay the, the, the, uh, you know, the salaries

00:36:40.860 of police officers at this point is so that they can stop you in case you see a crime and

00:36:45.600 would like to keep it from occurring. Okay. I want to read a, uh, quote here. Um, which was,

00:36:52.480 I mean, this was on the tip of everyone's tongue in 1995, which, uh, is, uh, well,

00:36:59.420 it's something people are thinking about a lot now. So this is from, uh, Michael Lynn,

00:37:03.200 a professor at the university of Texas, Austin, um, on the history of trial by jury in the United

00:37:10.300 States. He, uh, he wrote from independence until the civil rights revolution. The jury was a means

00:37:16.440 by which white bigots legally lynched Indians, blacks and Asians, or acquitted their white

00:37:22.280 murders. Today, black urban black juries all too often put race above justice in the same manner.

00:37:31.120 Uh, well, so we've seen this, um, and I mean, this is, uh, now they don't even, we don't even

00:37:38.920 get to the, now we don't even get to the jury. I mean, we've gotten to this point, uh, where,

00:37:43.720 you know, they fixed it at the, uh, the level of the, um, uh, the, uh, I'm just making, uh,

00:37:50.920 putting you on trial to begin with. Uh, but like, uh, just, you tried almost everything about where

00:37:57.500 we're at today is wrapped up somewhere in the OJ trial. Like there's a couple things that's not

00:38:05.500 there. Like, um, but, uh, here's, here's one that, uh, you didn't see coming, uh, was first off OJ's

00:38:12.620 from San Francisco, San Francisco is like San Francisco became like, you know, it was the

00:38:20.660 new superpower in America, which like brought us this entire new, uh, massive industry and,

00:38:27.560 and, uh, just a power center there, you know, just looking at politics, how many of our, of

00:38:33.600 our leading politicians are birthed out of there or, uh, their primary donors are sponsored out of

00:38:39.260 there. Well, it wasn't always that way. Like, you know, LBJ, uh, which was like, you know, the,

00:38:44.380 the, the super, the, the big, super liberal mega force from, from the before time, you know,

00:38:49.860 uh, he was like his primary donors were from like Houston, Texas. I'm talking about like,

00:38:55.480 it was like a Brown and rude or something instead of like, you know, you know, some thing, but

00:38:59.420 check this out. Uh, OJ's dad was transgender. Sorry. What? OJ's dad was transgender.

00:39:06.740 It's all there. OJ Simpson's father was a transsexual. Uh, well, he was, he was, he was

00:39:14.600 doing some, he was into cross-dressing about Bruce Jenner or no, I'm talking about, I'm

00:39:21.760 talking about OJ. Now they, they look, they had different words back then. I don't want

00:39:27.120 to violate the civil rights act, but wow. Okay. Yeah. I just looked this up. Uh, oh, you

00:39:32.840 can say this. He was a well-known drag queen in the Bay area. Sure. Wow. Okay. Deep war

00:39:40.620 there. I did not know. Very progressive. It's all there, man. It only, but I was going

00:39:45.700 to say the only thing that's not really there, especially in the context of California and

00:39:49.840 especially in the context of black people in California is Hispanics because I mean, as

00:39:57.580 powerful as black, as blacks were becoming in, in California politics, you have people

00:40:03.460 like, uh, who's that moron, that old, old black lady, uh, Congresswoman in, in LA. Maxine

00:40:11.980 Waters. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she's, she's done. I mean, you look at, look at her, her, where

00:40:19.060 she's, um, her district or whatever. I mean, I'm sure she'll last for a while longer. Cause

00:40:23.660 she's got like an organized group, whatever, but, um, uh, they're gone. They'll be all

00:40:28.520 being replaced by Hispanics. Uh, black people, black people's political power in, in, in

00:40:34.720 California is going to be done in no time. And it's going to get, uh, Hispanics are kicking

00:40:40.660 their ass out.

00:40:41.680 I want to step back for a second with you, the Michael Lynn quote, which, uh, uh, by, by the

00:40:46.680 way, GOB guest, Michael and got to disagree with him a little bit. He's, he's right on the

00:40:51.620 basic point. But the, the real point here is that the concept of a jury trial trial by

00:40:57.260 jury, your peers, they have to be your peers. They have to be people that you share, that

00:41:00.940 you share a common, if not ancestry, then a common culture with you have to, you have

00:41:06.960 to feel that you are all the same kind of thing. You're all the same people you're in

00:41:11.160 this together. Because if you, if you don't, what you, what you really have is like, it's

00:41:15.300 the equivalent of a military tribunal. So when you're going on, when you're being tried

00:41:19.540 by people who not only don't simply like empathize with you, your existence as a human

00:41:25.540 being, but maybe don't like you, that's not really a trial anymore.

00:41:29.660 Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, even still though, like, let's say you do have trial by jury,

00:41:36.120 but you're in a multicultural situation. Right. Like it doesn't like, what's it matter?

00:41:43.680 Like, um, you know, uh, what, like what, what if, what if the major league baseball, like

00:41:49.400 when, when they, when they were, uh, you know, there's, there's been these recent scandals

00:41:52.460 with the, the, the, the pitchers fixing the, uh, the, the, the ball, you know, there's

00:41:56.280 putting the, uh, uh, slick stuff on the ball. What if the only people that, that sort of

00:42:01.580 that adjudicated that was like, uh, if you were Yankees picture was fellow Yankees, right?

00:42:06.520 The other Yankees say, well, he's, well, he didn't do anything. You know, there's a certain

00:42:11.500 kind of like, um, uh, you'd go like, there's a reason that every multi ethnic empire basically

00:42:19.180 had their judicial systems start inside the tribes. Right. So if the Romans didn't go,

00:42:24.960 you didn't go directly on trial with, you know, the Roman governor, you started inside, you know,

00:42:29.960 Jesus starts inside, uh, you know, the, the, the local governance first before the, they take

00:42:35.620 you to Pontius Pilate. So this is a long standing, uh, you know, thing that, that people

00:42:41.480 have understood throughout history. They, they always had, you know, the community try them

00:42:46.800 first before I went to a, like a larger Imperial official governance. Yeah. If you don't care

00:42:51.580 that there's more like this, you know, this is the whole thing about, you know, the ghetto,

00:42:55.080 like, uh, uh, drug dealers in the ghetto are, are, are, are, are murderers and stuff like that.

00:43:01.380 If they don't care that there's murderers running around their neighborhood, I mean, we can try

00:43:07.160 to do something, but you're not really going to have a society where it matters. I mean,

00:43:11.860 you know, you, you could take a look at this. Um, uh, the Klan would, uh, Lynch white people

00:43:19.420 that, that, that were doing things that like, they just would like criminal stuff or, or stuff like

00:43:24.640 that. Uh, you know what I mean? Like, uh, uh, even in the midst of this sort of, this sort of thing,

00:43:30.000 um, or you'll see this, you'll see this in, in prison gangs and stuff, you know what I mean?

00:43:35.720 Um, but like we could expect that out of prison gangs, but not out of the basic American people.

00:43:41.520 And it's because a lot, you know, the media is not, the media is not free from, from, uh, from,

00:43:48.260 uh, blame here. I mean, a lot of this is because people feel so the media just keeps feeding people

00:43:54.600 being put upon, being put upon, you know, you see this stuff. I was watching this stuff today,

00:43:59.980 they're talking about, uh, Oh, you know, Beyonce is going to do country music. And they're just

00:44:05.360 feel one of like, Oh, you know, how these white people are going to take it? Blah, blah, blah.

00:44:09.600 It made me think of, uh, a Charlie pride sold a lot of records, white people wearing a cowboy hat.

00:44:15.820 Uh, and it was fine. Are you going to look at Marvel's like, Oh, how are you going to like this? Um,

00:44:20.160 this, uh, uh, Black Panther movie, white people, huh? How are you going to deal with that? Well,

00:44:25.060 you know, we, you had inclusion, you had blade, but you don't want to be included. You,

00:44:29.560 you want to be pissed off. You want to be angry at everybody. I remember Darius Rucker. It seems

00:44:34.980 fine. Yeah. And all everybody, like that is the ultimate thing. I mean, that is what you see in

00:44:41.520 gender politics, racial politics. Everybody wants to be angry. It's angry. Everybody wants to be

00:44:48.680 pissed off. Uh, the man stole something from me, blah, blah, blah. And, uh, America owes way too many

00:44:57.240 people too much. Um, and yeah, it's, it's a huge problem. We got to stop telling people,

00:45:03.460 uh, all this crap about how much they they're owed by America.

00:45:09.460 Yeah. I mean, good luck with that. I mean, I agree with you, but yeah, there's no politician

00:45:13.740 that's, you know, the, the, this is the, you know, you are the patronage guy, right? You,

00:45:18.000 you explain this for a living.

00:45:19.560 I just want to say for the record and it comes, it's important because when we, when

00:45:24.380 you talk about the breakdown of jury trials, like this is obviously where you're going to

00:45:28.680 head, you know, the term lynching, it comes from, it comes from Virginia during the war

00:45:34.520 of independence where some, some fellas named Lynch set up some little drum head tribunals

00:45:40.640 for loyalists. And they didn't really follow the letter of English law when they were dealing

00:45:46.000 with. And that was where the term came in. They weren't, they weren't hanging brothers

00:45:50.840 from trees and like, you know, 1780. It was, it was purely like dealing with political matters

00:45:58.000 between people loyal to the crown and people who were patriotic. That that's what it comes

00:46:02.580 from. And yeah, the vast majority of people in American history who were lynched were white

00:46:07.720 people because when you're lynched, if you're out, if you're out West where there's, you know,

00:46:11.900 there's a Marshall, there's a sheriff, maybe a hundred miles away. You, you deal, you dealt

00:46:17.500 with these things yourself. Yeah. Lynch is a great name, by the way. That's like a good action

00:46:23.440 movie name. You know, Jake Lynch, uh, but, um, along the same lines, uh, you know who invented

00:46:30.560 the toilet? No, I don't. Thomas Crapper. Okay. I've heard that before. Is that actually true?

00:46:39.060 Yeah. I've always preferred the, uh, you know, the Robin Hood men tights, uh, naming convention.

00:46:45.760 I always assumed that that was the way that actually came out, but yeah, a lot of, like I said,

00:46:51.980 it, we, I guess we can kind of, kind of, uh, go on this forever, but the, the main thing I wanted

00:46:58.560 to capture was just the, the absurdity of pretending like any of this stuff is right. We were, we,

00:47:07.480 we are, it's easy. I think even for a lot of conservatives, a lot of right-wingers to be

00:47:13.400 pulled into this narrative that, uh, all of these tensions are, are bursting forth because of,

00:47:18.940 you know, postmodern neo-Marxists or, you know, whatever we're, uh, whatever we're selling,

00:47:25.240 you know, and if, if it was, if it just wasn't for the Frankfurt school, you know, none, none of

00:47:29.540 this would be happening right now. Uh, but, uh, these, these tensions are old and tragically, uh,

00:47:35.300 this pattern is recurring, uh, and the OJ trial is just one of many examples where we have seen

00:47:43.100 this pattern. The events of 2020 are not, you knew they're not unique. Uh, they're actually just

00:47:48.880 part of a long running dynamic inside the United States. Uh, and they're not things that get solved

00:47:55.420 because we like get more base institutions or, you know, have, uh, you know, get, get rid of,

00:48:02.960 uh, the teaching of Marx and every university. Uh, and, and the fact that the news media can amplify

00:48:09.660 and highlight this and play, you know, and, and make, you know, OJ Simpson into a victim all these

00:48:16.700 years later, even with all of these dynamics that we we've kind of seen play themselves out, I think

00:48:22.720 just should tell people something about, uh, the role that unfortunately race relations in the media

00:48:29.460 have played in the public discourse and the way that it primes people to accept outright violence,

00:48:36.580 uh, from people. Uh, it's a very dangerous thing. And I think sitting around and pretending that it's

00:48:42.620 all just Marxism, um, you know, it's not like, it's not that the left isn't Marxist. They are in many

00:48:47.960 ways, but, but pretending that's the, the factor. And if we can just roll back, you know, the, the,

00:48:52.980 the works of Derrida or something that, that we fix this problem, I think is deluding ourselves

00:48:58.220 into addressing things that are far more controversial and far more difficult to, to

00:49:03.620 fix. There was a guy on the jury who was involved with the black Panthers, whatever in the sixties.

00:49:08.200 And he gave like a black power salute at some point during the, during the reading of the

00:49:13.640 verdict or after or whatever. And one of the other jurors, a nice old, she's now now a nice

00:49:18.360 old black lady just said, yeah, we, we knew he did it, but it was revenge. But these people,

00:49:23.040 they weren't like, uh, deep scholars of Karl Marx or whatever. They were people who were

00:49:29.120 wrapped up in ethno-narcissism and they did, they enacted what they felt was revenge against

00:49:37.880 people who owed them something. Um, as for how you prevent this, like, there are things that

00:49:45.060 like, obviously, uh, not having Marsha Clark be the prosecutor. Uh, he would probably, OJ

00:49:51.140 would have been in, uh, would have died in jail. Uh, the, the DA not moving the trial

00:49:56.300 from Santa Monica to LA, where instead of being literally tried by a jury of his peers,

00:50:02.420 like rich people in, in, uh, in Beverly Hills, he was tried by people in LA, in LA, LA County.

00:50:09.060 So maybe stuff like that, you could have, you could have avoided all this. Now I know like

00:50:14.020 in the grand scheme of things, uh, nobody really cares. Lady got her head almost cut

00:50:20.960 off by her ex-husband. Not, not the biggest new, normally not the biggest news story in

00:50:26.560 the world. But like if, if anybody in the LA, uh, the prosecutor's office had even the

00:50:32.580 slightest conception of, of human nature, uh, this, we, this would not be a story. This

00:50:37.540 would have been a guy who died in jail for, for murdering his wife after cooling his heels

00:50:42.540 for 40 years. Uh, it's a great point. So the thing about ethno-narcissism and in the thing

00:50:47.940 about his peers, uh, you know, the, the thing about the peers, it's kind of like, uh, this

00:50:52.480 is something libs will accuse us of rightly with respect to Trump. And this was also said

00:50:58.200 about, uh, Andrew Jackson. Like, um, they'll say like, uh, you know, uh, these, these MAGA

00:51:04.440 chuds, they don't care how like brutish and, and thuggish that, that this guy, uh, Trump

00:51:10.980 is because they just feel like, um, well, they're just inflicting him upon us in, in

00:51:16.800 Washington, DC. You know, like they don't live there. You're, you don't, you're not

00:51:21.040 part of the government. You don't understand all of the trouble this guy brings. And it's

00:51:25.140 like, yeah, yeah, it is. It's kind of true. And then by the same token, OJ doesn't live

00:51:31.280 in the hood. He kind of never lived in the hood. And they're like, yeah, well, F those

00:51:34.480 rich white people. Uh, because like what I'm getting at is that, uh, and this is something

00:51:40.260 that, you know, it has to like, uh, you know, you almost have to remind yourself

00:51:43.680 like, you know, if you have like people in, in like, you know, even in primitive

00:51:49.100 societies, like if you have any sense at all, uh, you don't want, regardless of

00:51:55.280 who's of who, of how, of, you know, their family and all this crap and, and, and are

00:52:00.580 they the same race as you blah, blah, blah. Uh, people that do stuff like, uh, uh, you

00:52:05.560 know, driving around the house of your ex-wife and cutting her head off, uh, you, you have

00:52:11.100 to do something. You know, those, those people, they're not really fit to, to walk

00:52:14.200 around in regular society. Uh, they're messed up that, you know, they got something

00:52:17.460 wrong with them, by the way, you know, he was put upon, uh, what was, you know, the

00:52:22.020 situation he was in wasn't a good situation. You don't feel good about that

00:52:25.680 situation. Uh, if he had, you know, if he had saw Ron Goldman or whatever the hell,

00:52:30.400 you know, you know, uh, at, at the coffee shop and they had words and, um, you know,

00:52:37.840 and he punched him there and he died or something. Uh, I could basically understand

00:52:42.020 that, but, but what he did was that's like, oh, well, sorry, bro. Uh, we don't, you, you

00:52:48.620 don't really have the impulse control to, you know, be in, be in regular society. You

00:52:53.040 can't really do that. That, that, that, that's, uh, that's kind of too far. You

00:52:56.700 know, we just, we don't, if you let people do that, you don't have a society. You, you

00:53:01.940 just, you can't do stuff like that. Uh, which, uh, should be obvious, but, uh, you

00:53:06.200 know, it's this whole, whole feeling put upon, by the way, real quick. Uh, I wonder

00:53:11.160 how you felt about this. Um, I felt like everybody in the right wing was, um, uh,

00:53:17.040 behind Rufo in this latest conversation between Rufo and, um, and, uh, Curtis

00:53:23.260 Jarvin and Jarvin and, um, I don't know, man, I felt like, uh, they're, they're,

00:53:30.560 they're, they're much too quickly dismissing Jarvin's points about this

00:53:34.320 stuff. Yeah. I'm going to do a deep dive on this on Friday, so I don't want to

00:53:38.540 spoil it here, but, uh, I think that, uh, that constitutionally, uh, I'm behind

00:53:45.960 Rufo, like just, just, uh, and I don't mean by the document constitution. I mean,

00:53:50.480 just like his, his attitude, his, uh, his approach, the, his fighting spirit,

00:53:55.600 they're all things that like, I want to be a part of. And I think those are all

00:53:58.780 very positive things that Rufo brings to the table. And Jarvin was far too glib,

00:54:04.100 uh, and dismissive and ugly in the whole thing. But I think, uh, the core of

00:54:10.000 Jarvin's, um, some of, some of the core of Jarvin's, uh, critique was very valid.

00:54:16.680 And I don't think that, uh, Rufo sufficiently addressed it. Um, and I don't

00:54:22.000 think he can, um, not because he's, you know, intellectually incapable or

00:54:26.680 anything, but simply doing so would mean giving up, um, uh, a piece of, of

00:54:32.140 moral ground that he wants to stand on. So there's something I like about

00:54:35.480 Rufo, which is this, this aspect where you're just like, well, I just got it.

00:54:39.160 I got to do this. I got to be in this conflict. I got to fight. I got to have

00:54:42.980 these, you know, these one battle at a time. I'm, I'm keeping my eyes straight,

00:54:47.240 straight ahead. I'm not thinking about the big picture. And I know people

00:54:51.120 complain about, we don't think enough about the big picture, but I don't think

00:54:54.920 that's really true. I think that if you go on Twitter, you see a lot of people

00:54:58.440 who are, who are idea guys and they are thinking all the time about the grand

00:55:02.340 scale of the universe. And Jarvin, Jarvin is one of them, uh, for good reason.

00:55:08.200 If you read, you are a lot of it. Stuff's in there is brilliant. The inherent

00:55:12.620 problem is, is that he tries to attribute things to like some essential quality of

00:55:17.060 Americans or certain religions or whatever, when really it's grappling with

00:55:22.500 human nature. And I don't think, I don't, I'm not sure that Mr. Jarvin believes in

00:55:28.400 human nature the same way we do, which is like, this is just kind of a

00:55:31.680 fundamental conflict you have between worldviews. And that is like, that's his,

00:55:37.560 that's his blind spot. And that's why, you know, the, the glib stuff, well, he

00:55:42.100 just doesn't see the, the, the world the same way that we do.

00:55:46.760 Jarvin's fatal flaw is that he thinks he's a systems analyst and he thinks that

00:55:51.200 he can just switch out the software and the hardware doesn't matter. Uh, so he,

00:55:56.120 he's like, okay, well it's running on this system. And if I put it in a different

00:55:59.240 system, uh, then it'll just work better. And that solves the problem. Uh, that,

00:56:03.280 that's the thing he gets wrong in that essay. Uh, but, uh,

00:56:07.100 Rufo has an equally dangerous problem in that he's not willing to, uh,

00:56:13.360 admit, uh, serious changes and Syria, uh, and, and fatal flaws, uh, that

00:56:19.920 probably were present. Um, and, uh, and just pretending like they're not there

00:56:25.640 and trying to incorporate them into, or scale them into a global empire, uh,

00:56:30.400 is also due.

00:56:31.320 Yeah. Not everybody can be Douglas MacArthur. You gotta have some, you gotta have

00:56:34.680 some people under him, people who are good at winning battles and, and,

00:56:37.720 and, and, you know, grinding it out, you know, that's.

00:56:41.740 Yeah. But, uh, you know, there's a lot of people that work themselves to death

00:56:45.400 and crappy jobs because, uh, you gotta work smart. Uh, it's not just,

00:56:49.240 just hard work. I don't know. I think that you're like Jarvin's, um, uh, I, I do think

00:56:55.080 that he made some great points. I'll be looking forward to that. And I, I, um, you know,

00:57:00.360 he's being an ass, but you know, the, the position he's taking there is a perfect

00:57:05.100 position to be an a-hole. This is something that we've seen. Um, uh, it's

00:57:09.140 sort of the jester, or if you're an American and you've ever watched a

00:57:12.600 presidential debate, you know, there's someone standing on that stage that

00:57:16.200 knows that they can't win. And so they're allowed to bring up all the dirty

00:57:21.420 laundry and say all the dirty stuff that no one's allowed to say. And people are

00:57:26.020 going to say, Oh God, did he really go there? Uh, oh my gosh. But, and that's

00:57:31.840 what Jarvin's getting to do. And so, uh, yeah, but, um, by the way, yeah. Uh, by

00:57:38.600 the way, I don't know if we have time for this, but, um, uh, another thing that your

00:57:43.440 show is, uh, done a great job on, you may, may maybe revisit this as well. You know,

00:57:48.280 you had a, you had a, uh, a podcast about, uh, you, you came out against the

00:57:54.760 cannibalism. It's a bold position to be sure. Yeah. And you know, we discussed

00:58:00.560 this last time we're on the show. Uh, there was, uh, some cannibalism going on

00:58:05.340 in America. Well, did you see the list latest cannibalism story? I can't say

00:58:10.400 that. Oh, it was wonderful. This is the most perfect American story. Um, uh, Amtrak

00:58:18.740 train in Southern California. So it's just got everything. An Amtrak train in Southern

00:58:24.520 California struck and killed a pedestrian last week, severing their leg from their

00:58:30.460 body via the force of the impact. This was in Bakersfield, you know, just a thousand

00:58:35.760 degrees. It's just that everything is just sun baked and roasted in, uh, uh, you know,

00:58:41.640 nobody's got any money. Everyone's angry in Bakersfield. Okay. So a train is going

00:58:46.260 down the tracks in Bakersfield, California. Um, just left the Amtrak station. Uh, there's

00:58:52.860 a hobo on the train, you know, sleeping on the tracks. The train goes by, just zips

00:58:59.320 his leg right off. As it happened, there were people there and you know, there's, there's

00:59:05.500 their CCTVs and stuff like that. So as soon as it happened, hobos scurried over to the

00:59:13.620 leg and started eating it. Like, uh, I've been waiting for this for so long. Like, uh,

00:59:24.420 you know, I hope it will get another chance. Uh, if there, if we give, hopefully we got

00:59:30.840 an election coming up, we're going to have a bunch of, uh, race riots in America. What

00:59:34.940 I've been waiting for, you see when they surround the cars, like in, you know, Manhattan, all these

00:59:39.240 places. Sure. Yeah. It's like this stupid, like I want the people that surround the car

00:59:45.360 to eat the people in the car, the, the, the true final realization of the zombie apocalypse.

00:59:51.460 Like we've made the joke that we're approaching it, but you want to see it formalized.

00:59:54.840 Well, yeah. And like, like, it's not like I'm, I'm, if you watch it, they all sort of

01:00:00.660 like lumber around, like, like the super, you ever, you seen this at the super slow pace

01:00:05.920 and stuff. They don't even act like people when they're doing this thing surrounding the

01:00:09.740 car. It's like political activism, I guess. But, uh, these, uh, quote unquote, political

01:00:15.400 activists that we're supposed to act like are, are, um, you know, they're human beings.

01:00:20.080 Maybe, uh, they're not bug, bug beef, depersoning, uh, you know, uh, liberal political activists.

01:00:29.400 Very basic. Well, I mean, if, if people acted like that, you know, at your work or something,

01:00:33.660 you know, you'd call the police say that there's some guy who's on, who's on drugs or

01:00:37.580 something. I don't know what the whole, I don't know what all the lumbering is, but they

01:00:41.620 sort of like just move in this weird, strange way and stuff. I want them to pull a guy, pull,

01:00:47.540 you know, pull some, uh, uh, you know, somebody on vacation here from Europe or something and

01:00:53.540 pull them out of the Land Rover, just eat them on the street there. That'll be, we'll have

01:00:58.640 broken to the next level. Thank you.

01:01:00.140 Well, guys, now that we've gotten to, I think the pinnacle of political punditry, uh, let's

01:01:06.160 go ahead and transition over to the questions of the people. But before we do, can you tell

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01:01:29.020 Spotify, the, you know, the, the, the good stuff you got to get on Patreon.

01:01:33.440 I'm just glad that I could bring this discourse to the blaze. You know what I mean? Like, I

01:01:37.140 feel like this is, this is the hard hitting stuff. Glenn Beck's audience probably just doesn't

01:01:41.340 get enough of this. So I, yeah, I'm glad I can really turn them on.

01:01:44.940 I'm beeping for the chalkboard.

01:01:47.680 Well, yeah, I'm trying to, I'm trying to incite, uh, I'm trying to incite you to, uh, you

01:01:53.720 know, do another one of those, uh, don't please stop eating people, uh, uh, shows or whatever.

01:01:57.920 That was a highlight with, uh, with, um, ostracon. That was a great one.

01:02:02.700 I I I'll always, I'll always think that. Yeah. Also we'll be on Twitch, uh, tomorrow night,

01:02:08.080 uh, bog underscore beef, uh, uh, on Twitter on X and, um, our, our merchants at WBS apparel.com

01:02:19.300 white boy summer. Excellent. All right, guys, let's switch over here to the questions of the

01:02:25.340 people. Uh, Arthur T says forgot, uh, forgotten is how regional America was during this time.

01:02:31.480 Social media, 24, seven news cycles weren't a thing. The trial was tell by as nationally

01:02:35.520 a first and to see the different reactions of the verdict was an awakening of sort. Yeah,

01:02:42.020 that's it's true. You know, obviously we say this all the time, but the regional character

01:02:46.920 of America has been dissolving ever more rapidly. And there had been events before the OJ trial,

01:02:53.280 of course, that did bring the different, uh, regional, uh, aspects of the United States

01:02:58.280 together, did give it a more unified culture. Uh, but you definitely did have a moment where

01:03:04.720 in the OJ trial, a lot of people who were not familiar with some of these dynamics, who were

01:03:09.660 not familiar with some of these tensions, uh, at a national level suddenly recognize that. And it

01:03:16.920 became aware. They became aware of the fact that a guilty man who murdered his wife might walk free

01:03:22.320 just to alleviate some of these tensions. And regionally, that was quite an awakening for many

01:03:27.240 people who are probably not familiar with that aspect of, of kind of, uh, some of America's social

01:03:32.340 dynamic. We've got a Cooper weirder here says I'm a wrestling fan. My OJ was Chris Benoit. Was he

01:03:41.240 the one who murdered his family? Cause he was on steroids. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They said that his

01:03:47.680 brain was like a four year old. He, his, um, this is one of those things that, you know, when they do

01:03:53.680 the top rope moves or whatever, I always thought like, I just never, I guess I didn't really think

01:03:58.600 about it. Like, I guess I thought like, well, wrestling's fake. So when they do a move off the

01:04:03.480 top rope, like, I don't know, it's fake or whatever, but, uh, you know, I like macho man,

01:04:09.000 there's this video going around where, uh, uh, my, when macho man's getting older, uh, is what

01:04:15.580 happens is rest. So when they do the elbow drop of the top rope, like macho man would do, uh, basically

01:04:21.020 someone is getting that impact. And when, and when he's younger, when the wrestlers are younger,

01:04:25.600 basically they land on their knees and as macho man getting older, his knees hurt. And so he starts

01:04:32.040 landing more on the elbow. Uh, he did an elbow drop on a guy on a little nature and like it, IRL,

01:04:40.700 uh, uh, punctured his lung and just like did massive damage to him. Uh, and so like, uh, there's a ton

01:04:47.860 of impact from these top rope moves. So that Ben Waugh guy, his finishing move was jumping off the top

01:04:54.820 rope, landing on his head on the other wrestler. And you know, the guy that he was sort of

01:05:01.800 inspired by do this. He told him, he said like, don't do this. You're going to scramble your brain.

01:05:07.040 Like he said, your, uh, your brain, your head is not meant to handle this. Do not do this. And he,

01:05:12.780 that was this finishing move. And, uh, yeah, he said that there was just nothing left his brain.

01:05:17.480 Horrible to be sure. All right. So we've got a paladin YYZ says, uh, still can't, uh, get past the

01:05:25.240 idea that there was formaldehyde in the blood drops found at the scene. If that's true, they got it from

01:05:30.820 the blood OJ gave them difficult to just dismiss that. I got to say it's been a long enough time

01:05:36.920 where I'm not like up on all the OJ conspiracy deep lore. If there's like a, you know, if there's

01:05:42.380 a nine 11 was an inside job thing for, for OJ, I just don't know all of the details to refute that

01:05:49.260 or, or, you know, speculate that one way or another. Yeah. I mean, the alternative is this

01:05:55.060 somebody else murdered his wife and the LAPD instantly decided to frame him for the murder.

01:06:00.080 And then OJ, for some reason became suicidal and went on a long ride and threatened to kill

01:06:05.760 himself and read a suicide note to people. And yeah, that's, uh, to me, that's pretty easy to

01:06:11.180 dismiss, but you know, that's just how I feel about it. Yeah. It feels like OJ would be a very

01:06:15.400 strange target. If you're going to pick anybody, uh, for, for this kind of set up, but, uh,

01:06:20.480 a creeper reader says OJ leads to Jerry Springer. Is that what you guys are saying? Yeah. I don't

01:06:25.340 remember the exact low there. Jerry was, was existed. What, what TV executive realized.

01:06:33.180 So think about Jerry Springer show is, uh, it got great ratings and it was very, very cheap. Uh,

01:06:40.140 that formula basically expanded all across, all across TV through news stations, news stations

01:06:49.600 just became Jerry Springer after, after OJ, because people just could not stop watching this.

01:06:56.580 And like, they weren't just watching the trial. They're watching all of these, like, uh, you know,

01:07:00.740 these charismatic analysts, the top mom lady, all the stuff, uh, uh, you know, checking in what's

01:07:07.040 going on, checking in. Uh, that's, that's just not how like news just did not work the same way.

01:07:12.500 And if you should, if you listen to this channel, you should know that, uh, news is not just what

01:07:17.840 happened in the weather and stuff. This is how you control democracy.

01:07:20.960 When I was a kid, I had to, my parents worked, so I would stay with my grandparents after I got

01:07:25.700 off the school bus. And that, that entire half of a year, when the trial was on, my grandfather

01:07:31.160 watched every second of it. Uh, he was a guy who only watched sports ever. That's all he ever watched.

01:07:37.320 He watched ladies golf or if that was on TV, he wouldn't, you couldn't get him to watch a sitcom

01:07:41.960 or a movie, but he was enraptured by that. What, what, what happened was they discovered

01:07:47.040 that you can market this to literally everybody. Everybody will tune into this. You can, you, uh,

01:07:53.320 hit all new markets and you can just produce the stuff so cheaply. That was the big, big thing.

01:07:58.980 The average, the average person might not have watched Jerry Springer at that time, but they

01:08:05.180 watched the true crime stuff. And yeah, here we are today.

01:08:08.720 I mean, we are participants in the take economy, you know, we could be, could be the descendants

01:08:13.920 of the OJ, uh, trial in, in some, some fashion, uh, you know, dressing it up with our fancy

01:08:20.520 intellectualism, but there's a, uh, another sort of funny echo with America. Do you know

01:08:25.700 if he was on police squad? He was in the naked gun movie. He wasn't in the show. He was in

01:08:30.960 the naked gun movie. Okay. So, uh, like to like last year, the year before, whatever, I, I, I always

01:08:37.020 love the naked gun movies. Uh, he's fun. Like, uh, OJ basically gets horribly maimed and killed

01:08:42.560 and all the naked gun movies. Yeah. And so I was like, yeah, I want to go check out this police

01:08:47.220 squad thing. Cause you, if you watch those movies, you sort of get the idea. You're like, oh, there

01:08:50.500 was a TV series. You watched a police squad. So you're like, wow. I like the movies is a whole

01:08:55.180 TV series of the naked gun. I watched like the first episode and I was like, this is the funniest

01:09:00.880 thing I've ever seen. This is absolutely brilliant. And I like, I was like, they made

01:09:07.400 like, uh, like one season of it or something. Why, why do they do that? Allegedly? We had

01:09:16.180 the conversation about this a long time ago. Allegedly one of the reasons why they canceled

01:09:19.920 it was a network executive said this show, like this show is too, too smart for the average TV

01:09:26.520 viewer. They're not going to get it. They're not going to enjoy it. So that's why they cancel

01:09:30.760 it. That was, that was the story. I, I think, you know, that is very funny in relate in relation

01:09:37.960 to all the OJ stuff. But, uh, you know, I, what it feels like to me is it was expensive

01:09:42.860 cause it was, it was lit like a, like a movie and stuff like that. Anyways, that all goes

01:09:48.100 on to like, what, like OJ gave us reality TV, gave us all these, these characters, um, by the

01:09:53.980 way, our guy, Donald Trump is a reality TV guy. Uh, I don't, I don't know if he becomes

01:10:01.460 president without juice. Again, his picture had to be removed from juices house. A picture

01:10:07.080 of him and Trump had to be removed, uh, so that he didn't seem too white. Um, Ed here

01:10:12.720 says, uh, an unrecognizable group, uh, harmed by OJ. Of course, our fans of the naked gun

01:10:19.280 series. I would never look at Nurbur. Okay. Uh, Paladin YYZ says, uh, Bukele's war was

01:10:25.400 a fantastic show. Why is that? Uh, why is, uh, why is it that every time a Chad populace

01:10:31.380 rises to save his people, he has a great mustache. Bog and Oren have great mustaches. What are

01:10:37.680 you guys doing in 2028? Yeah. I mean, I, I have to go up against the macho man here in

01:10:43.940 the PFP. So I'm going to lose, uh, for, for the great mustache, uh, you know, kind of

01:10:49.340 populace, uh, showdown. Uh, but, uh, yeah, that does seem to be a prerequisite. If Trump

01:10:56.600 had had a more fantastic mustache, we might be living in a very different America.

01:11:01.520 Have you seen the AIs where they give, uh, uh, Trump a beard?

01:11:05.800 Looks great. Yeah. I saw that.

01:11:07.540 Oh yeah.

01:11:07.800 It looks really cool. Not everybody has, uh, not everybody has, I don't have a, uh,

01:11:12.840 I, I, I, I, I, every time I try to grow a beard, it gets itchy and like the first two

01:11:18.320 or three days I give up on, I'm like, uh, F this. Uh, but, um, yeah, I don't have a, I

01:11:23.440 don't have a beard, but here's what I'll say about the mustache though. Um, you know, if

01:11:27.700 you look at the great aristocrats who like part of their job was being cool and looking

01:11:32.540 badass, like your job is to be the most badass looking human being possible. What do they

01:11:38.960 do? They have some big ass mustaches.

01:11:44.520 All right, here we've got Evan M. Did you, uh, did you that the reporter in the helicopter

01:11:49.820 during the Bronco chase became the stunning and brave woman who grabbed Ben Shapiro by the

01:11:55.140 collar? Is that true? Cause that's an amazing piece of lore. If that's correct, is the, the,

01:12:00.260 the guy who grabbed him in the, uh, Dr. Drew interview. Is that the, is that the case?

01:12:06.460 I'm not sure. I'm not familiar with that, that happening. Well, there was the famous,

01:12:11.480 so he, he's on CNN or something where with Dr. Drew and, uh, he says he won't use the pronouns

01:12:18.340 and, uh, uh, a trans, uh, whatever, uh, uh, uh, is like, Oh, you're going to call me

01:12:25.700 misses and like grabs him. Uh, you know, it looks like a, it looks like a fullback and like grabs

01:12:30.700 him, uh, yokes him up. And like, it was like a, um, it had like this, uh, uh, well, you know,

01:12:38.400 the old black and white movies that had like the, the physical comedy, right? There was like this

01:12:43.280 chart, like, uh, uh, uh, three stooges aspect to it because, um, Ben Shapiro's a small fellow.

01:12:50.520 You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know how big this person was, but they

01:12:56.300 looked, you know, you look like Andre, the giant grabbing the comparison. Yeah. Yeah. It was

01:13:00.520 fantastic. Great. Great. You can actually see like the neck hair, you know, as he's like

01:13:05.520 lifting. Yeah. Yeah. Right. The dynamic. Shapiro looked like he was getting chokeslammed by the

01:13:12.200 undertaker. Uh, there's nothing I love by the way, more than, um, Alex Jones doing the it's ma'am.

01:13:25.120 It is amazing. The man is a meme factory to be sure. All right. Creepy weirdo says,

01:13:28.980 are you guys saying that, uh, uh, they put the woke away? They started the fresh Prince. Uh,

01:13:34.480 then we could return to the zombie fresh Prince checkmate or yeah, I keep feeling better and

01:13:39.480 better about the, um, uh, about my cigar, uh, Warhammer officially went woke yesterday. Uh,

01:13:46.760 so, you know, games workshop is, you know, uh, finally gave in to their, uh, their, their

01:13:51.960 lib tendencies. Uh, and so we didn't even get into that, but, uh, but I feel like the woke

01:13:56.980 continues, uh, to march forward, but. Yeah. Uh, well, you know, part of me has, has, has

01:14:03.800 no real, uh, sympathy for, um, people that would play such a brain dead faction, like,

01:14:10.520 uh, uh, like, uh, uh, custodies, uh, you know, you just go sit on the center, uh, uh, the center

01:14:17.480 dot and just, uh, uh, uh, you know, win the game or whatever. But, um, I don't know, you

01:14:22.700 know, as a space Marines player, you know, it just feels good. Yeah. Now we're officially

01:14:26.400 the men's division. Yeah. I mean, as someone who's played, uh, played Eldar for a long time

01:14:32.340 and as, you know, I play an army whose only weakness is bullets. Uh, so, uh, I've never

01:14:37.160 under, I never stood the ability to, uh, you know, have a army that could take a hit, but

01:14:41.480 I guess I don't play anything now. I haven't played 40 K in quite a while. I got, I did

01:14:45.440 some commentary on this and I, I finally got the Sargon reply. Oh, nice. I, I was posting,

01:14:51.740 which by the way, um, I can't think of, I can't remember the model's name, but I mean, uh, you

01:14:55.680 know, in my opinion, it's going to take them a long time to wokeify a Warhammer. I mean, even

01:15:01.480 if you wanted to, um, what is like, uh, the big centerpiece of, uh, Slaanesh's, uh, chaos

01:15:09.280 demons is, well, I mean, if you were a, like a, even just a progressive liberal, but especially

01:15:16.780 if you were someone to believe in like gender equality, or in fact, like a, uh, uh, transgender

01:15:21.800 rights or something, you would see the art of that model as something deeply offensive,

01:15:27.960 deeply offensive for sure. And, uh, furthermore, like throughout the series and you could take

01:15:36.040 a look at like, uh, uh, what the backstory. And so anyways, I wrote like, I was like, okay,

01:15:40.440 so the backstory behind the Drukhari is that, um, uh, they were normal elves until their civilization

01:15:47.260 fell into, uh, sexual, uh, depravity. And they started worshiping the God of transgenderism.

01:15:53.180 That's literally their origin story. Yes. And, uh, it made them, you know, uh, these pleasure

01:15:59.220 seeking people and destroyed their, their, their civilization. How, where, how do you

01:16:03.240 wokeify that? Where do you go from there? You got a long way to go to dig yourself out

01:16:07.880 of that hole. I mean, in the same way that you just go ahead and insert like, you know,

01:16:12.180 dudes in wheelchairs into D and D like you're, you're right. That the, the lore is inherent.

01:16:17.480 I mean, the entire 40 K storyline is, you know, basically the emperor is like this Reddit atheist

01:16:24.460 who tries to wipe out all religion and then discovers actually that not only is religion

01:16:29.880 real, but the realist gods around are like the gods of chaos who are all like the worst

01:16:35.240 aspect of leftism. And so like the, the, the Imperium of man has to become a base religious

01:16:41.120 order that like constantly battles against, uh, you know, the worst impulses of the leftoids.

01:16:46.700 It's, uh, it's hard. You think it's impossible to make that woke. And you're right. That you can't

01:16:51.500 actually maintain the lore and make it work, but they'll just destroy it. They'll, they'll just

01:16:55.760 destroy everything that it actually, uh, was about as someone who doesn't know anything about 40 K.

01:17:01.540 When I hear, uh, the storyline or the, the elves begin to worship transsexual guys and, and, and fall

01:17:07.980 into ill repute sounds like a 2025 dime square social media narrative. Well, no, I mean, it's, it's,

01:17:16.280 it's, it's, it's the cyclical view of history is like, it is the like, uh, total victory, by the way.

01:17:23.420 That's right. This is the future Yarvin wants. Like this is the, you know, this is the 40 K, uh,

01:17:29.800 terrible, uh, war hammer is like, it's the final boss of nerd, uh, Lord literature is, it is the best.

01:17:38.100 It is the highest standard. It's, it's basically, it beats everything else. And why? Because it's so

01:17:43.300 heavily informed by, uh, basically military history, world history, and like, uh, uh, the,

01:17:49.260 the cyclical view of history. Yeah. I mean, when, when half of what you're doing is just ripping off

01:17:54.340 the most base elements of things like Dune, uh, you're, you're going to end up in that scenario.

01:17:58.640 Uh, all right. Cooper weirdo here says, uh, Paw Patrol politics. Yeah. That was the reference that,

01:18:03.840 that Yarvin made the insult that he was making to Rufo again. I'll, I'll definitely get into that in

01:18:08.520 depth on Friday. And he also follows up with the problem with police squad is that you have to watch

01:18:13.980 it TV executives. Uh, that, that is a real problem. Uh, if you want people to pay attention to your

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - April 15, 2024

The Strange Victimization of OJ Simpson ｜ Guest： The Good Ol Boyz ｜ 4⧸15⧸24

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