The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Transgender Leviathan ｜ Guest： Pedro Gonzalez ｜ 12⧸15⧸22

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00:01:30.000 Hey, everybody. How's it going?

00:01:34.380 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

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00:01:40.760 So I'm happy to welcome back Pedro Gonzalez.

00:01:43.760 Thank you for coming on, man.

00:01:45.720 Oh, man. Thanks so much for having me back.

00:01:47.480 It's good to be back. It's been too long.

00:01:49.320 Absolutely.

00:01:49.800 Of course, most of you guys already know about Pedro.

00:01:53.280 He's, you know, editor over at Chronicles.

00:01:55.380 His writing appears everywhere.

00:01:56.860 He's been on pretty much every show on cable news at this point.

00:02:00.340 But if you haven't for some reason, but if you haven't for some reason, make sure you're checking out all his stuff.

00:02:04.860 Now, Pedro did a report.

00:02:06.860 Now, Pedro did a report, which I think is really good.

00:02:09.620 Because a lot of times, you know, we see these clips.

00:02:12.760 We see everything that's going on with the media.

00:02:14.960 We see all the hype, libs of TikTok, all this stuff, the outrage on cable news channels.

00:02:21.260 But it's really good for someone to go through and kind of put this thing together, kind of weave together what's going on.

00:02:27.840 In this case, Pedro was talking about the transgender leviathan. 1.00

00:02:32.240 It's a report you can check out over at American Principles Project.

00:02:37.040 I think you also did a separate article somewhere, Washington Examiner or somewhere, I think.

00:02:43.500 Yeah.

00:02:44.240 Okay, great.

00:02:45.360 So if you want to read the report for yourself, you can check it out there.

00:02:47.860 Or you kind of want to get the shorter version with the article, you can check that out.

00:02:53.700 But in this report, Pedro does a really good job of explaining kind of not just the nature, the ideological nature of this movement.

00:03:03.800 But he also follows kind of the structural and monetary parts of the movement, which I think are really important for people to understand.

00:03:10.700 Because I think a lot of times it's really easy for people to get stuck in the shocking nature of what's going on and not understand kind of the mechanisms that are driving a lot of what's happening here.

00:03:24.020 But go ahead and get started here, Pedro.

00:03:27.500 Let's look at the beginning.

00:03:28.840 You talk a little bit about patient zero and why it's important to understand kind of where this movement came from.

00:03:35.100 Can you lay that out for people real quick?

00:03:36.440 Yeah.

00:03:38.240 So patient zero for trans kids in the United States was a man named David Reamer.

00:03:44.500 So David Reamer, the story is always a little bit difficult to tell because David Reamer had three names throughout his life.

00:03:51.900 He was born Bruce Reamer.

00:03:54.020 He spent the first 15 years of his life living as Brenda Reamer.

00:03:58.860 And then at the age of 15, took the name David Reamer.

00:04:05.440 And so David Reamer was the subject of a radical experiment called the John Joan case by an influential psychologist and sexologist at Johns Hopkins University named John Money.

00:04:20.240 Now, Money was a really interesting character because, like I said in my report, I actually published two pieces based on the report.

00:04:31.780 One, the Washington Examiner, and one at my substack at contra.substack.com.

00:04:36.740 And the piece that I published in my substack focuses on money.

00:04:41.720 So Money was interesting because he was influential, like I said, in the field of psychology and sexology.

00:04:47.860 But the thing about Money was is that he was a really good marketer.

00:04:51.460 He was really good at using the media to spread his ideas.

00:04:54.780 And that seems to be the consensus around him is that this guy was not necessarily known for really sound, solid clinical work, but more that he was just capable of using the media to spread the things that he was arguing and saying and insisting.

00:05:12.960 And so Money was really trying to prove a general theory about humans.

00:05:17.900 He is most known for his research into intersex conditions.

00:05:22.100 These are people that are born with basically both sex organs.

00:05:27.100 And he wrote a dissertation on this.

00:05:28.800 But he was actually really more interested in proving a general theory about humans.

00:05:32.640 And that is that the the main factors that make up our identity have more to do with nurture than nature.

00:05:44.760 And that's again, that's really that kind of the elemental drive behind someone like Money.

00:05:49.740 And in the 60s, he had this I don't want to say it's not really luck, because obviously David Reamer would not say it was it was luck for him.

00:06:01.920 But but but but it was interesting because money basically said it would be completely unethical to perform a sex change on on someone like this, someone born with normal sex organs, that it would really have to be a kind of accident of nature that would allow someone to perform a radical experiment like this, because at the time it was still taboo.

00:06:22.980 And so that ended up happening in the 60s, Bruce Reamer, when he was right after he was born, he underwent a circumcision that was totally botched and it severely damaged his penis and his parents in their desperation had heard about money through the media.

00:06:42.080 They had heard about the stuff that he was doing with with sex reassignments and with people born with, you know, these odd physical sexual conditions.

00:06:50.980 And this doesn't really make sense to us because, you know, we're we're we're standing at the bottom of the slippery slope looking up.

00:06:59.520 But at the time, the parents hoped maybe that if their son could be transitioned into a girl, he could have something of a normal life as long as he never knew that he was born a girl or a boy.

00:07:12.200 Right. And so the family met with money after hearing about the stuff that he was doing in the media.

00:07:17.960 And they asked that question. If we transition him or first of all, can you transition him to a girl?

00:07:23.680 And second of all, will he have a normal life? And of course, money was money was enthusiastic about this because this is exactly what he had said he'd been looking for.

00:07:31.480 Right. This kind of freak accident because Reamer also had a twin brother named Brian.

00:07:36.880 So this is this is even better. Right. Because now you basically have two subjects that you can experiment on.

00:07:41.260 And the family, the Reamers were initially kind of hesitant.

00:07:46.060 You know, they were hopeful, but still reluctant because this is radical. Right.

00:07:49.880 This is this has never been done. This kind of surgery on a on a child had never been done before.

00:07:54.120 Not one born with normal sex organs and all that.

00:07:58.240 But money badgered them. Basically, he accused them at one point of procrastinating.

00:08:03.440 Again, very similar to today. Right. Like you need to transition your kid as soon as they exhibit any kind of confusion about their bodies.

00:08:10.640 Otherwise, you're putting them in danger. And so money badgered them.

00:08:14.440 And eventually they they gave in. 0.99

00:08:17.680 And so at 22 months old, David Reamer had his penis and testicles removed and had rudimentary female genitals constructed by money and took the name Brenda. 0.99

00:08:30.360 Brenda as part of the John. It was called the John John case to protect the identities of David and Brian. 0.97

00:08:36.620 And as part of the experiment, Brenda was never told that Brenda had been born a boy.

00:08:43.860 And so so Brenda was given girls clothing, was raised as a girl. 0.93

00:08:48.960 The family treated Brenda as a girl. All the friends did as well.

00:08:53.060 It was it was part of this whole experiment. Right.

00:08:55.320 But this is where it gets really horrific as as part of this whole we're going to turn you into a girl thing. 0.99

00:09:03.360 And money believed that it was necessary for kids to basically be exposed to like pornographic and sexual material as part of affirming that what he called their gender schema.

00:09:14.180 Again, kind of prefiguring what we see today. Right.

00:09:17.100 Looks like gender genderqueer showing up in high school and middle school libraries. 0.90

00:09:20.960 And what is the argument for these graphic novels that depict, you know, queer sex and stuff? 0.72

00:09:27.740 The argument is that kids need this stuff to to to learn about sexuality, to affirm their gender schema.

00:09:34.640 So money was ahead of his time in a lot of ways, unfortunately.

00:09:38.620 And so as part of that, money would actually have the twin brothers basically simulate sexual acts.

00:09:46.020 And so he would, for example, have Brenda get on his couch at his office, get on on on Brenda's knees and then have Brian.

00:09:54.740 And they're six years old at the time. Keep in mind.

00:09:56.760 So two six year old brothers doing this stuff.

00:09:59.320 Brenda on on Brenda's knees and then Brian would be instructed to come up behind Brenda.

00:10:05.060 And simulate sexual acts. 0.80

00:10:07.200 And then in one case, Brenda was instructed to lay on Brenda's back and then money told Brian to lay in between Brenda's legs.

00:10:17.040 And according to Brian Reamer, on at least one occasion, money photographed him doing this, took a polarity picture of them simulating these sexual acts.

00:10:24.840 And if the kids didn't want to do this stuff, whether it was performing the sexual acts or inspecting each other's genitals as instructed by money, he would snap at them.

00:10:33.000 But around the parents, he was really nice. But in private, he would bark at the kids if they refused to do any of this stuff.

00:10:39.460 This is all documented in a book. I draw heavily from this book called As Nature Made Him.

00:10:43.780 It's by a journalist named John Colapinto, who really did most of the work in exposing this stuff in the 90s.

00:10:50.020 I think the first big article was in Rolling Stone.

00:10:54.520 And so, yeah, I mean, this sounds insane. Maybe not today, actually.

00:10:58.040 Right. But I mean, it's horrific. Right.

00:11:02.520 And Brenda was miserable throughout Brenda's entire adolescence, like never took to being a girl.

00:11:08.540 And in fact, was actually the more dominant of the two twins and was basically a tomboy.

00:11:14.640 And just but always suffered emotionally, academically, socially, just always felt like there was something wrong.

00:11:21.200 And then finally, at 15, Brenda finds out, actually, you were born a boy and took the name David because he identified with David from the Bible because he had felt like he'd been up against Goliath his whole life.

00:11:32.160 And when the truth came out of the John Jones case, which money had marketed as a total success, it was promulgated as such by the New York Times Book Review.

00:11:43.440 It was it was it was concretized in all kinds of medical textbooks as this example, you know, where we were able to use scientific techniques to change a boy into a girl and improve their mental and physical health outcomes.

00:11:56.740 Like it became a kind of it was described by one of money's academic rivals who helped expose this stuff as a kind of religious totem that even when the truth came out, this thing was a complete failure and money lied about it in a book that that this experiment became central to.

00:12:15.400 Even when it was proven that all of this from the beginning was a lie and money knew it, that the people that really believed in the John Jones experiment would not accept that it was that it was a failure.

00:12:27.760 I think his last name is Diamond. I can't remember his first name.

00:12:32.040 But this rival of money said that people believed in the John Jones case with a kind of religious fervor, like you could not dissuade them that this was a failure.

00:12:41.120 And money went to the grave, insisting that all of the criticism against him was actually just conservative bigotry.

00:12:48.400 And it was. Yeah, of course. And so David tried to live a normal life.

00:12:54.900 He got married, he adopted kids. But in 2004, after struggling with depression for his entire life, he committed suicide.

00:13:01.740 He shot himself and had a shotgun two years after Brian Reamer had overdosed on antidepressants.

00:13:06.860 And of course, there's all this speculation. Well, OK, David was like having problems with his wife.

00:13:11.440 He was struggling financially. It's like, hmm, I wonder what the root cause of all of that trauma was.

00:13:15.960 Right. I wonder what the root cause of Brian Reamer's depression was.

00:13:19.840 I mean, it makes you angry that people actually try to, like, complicate this more than it more than it needs to be.

00:13:26.040 Right. And like I said, money went to the grave, basically insisting that he was just the target of the latest social conservative outrage.

00:13:34.440 And he enjoyed NIH funding for his entire life. And I think that's a really key thing here.

00:13:40.360 Well, apart from all the sexual stuff, there are two key things.

00:13:44.620 One is, and I note in my report, is that.

00:13:47.040 Yeah, sorry. Well, just one second before we dive into the to the to the rest of this, because I know you've done a lot of work on this and you're prepared to lay it all out.

00:13:53.900 But but I just there's a lot of information there. I want people to process for a second.

00:13:57.860 So what you're saying is from the very beginning of this movement, from the very beginning, from the very genesis of this, we see both an ignoring of the scientific facts surrounding it.

00:14:11.000 We the the failure, the the story about what happened, even though once it was proven false, continued to be perpetuated because it needed to be for the movement to continue.

00:14:20.620 Yes. And also at the very beginning of this, we see the presence of exploitation of children, like not just not like direct predation and enforcement of kind of this deep sexualization at a very early age of these children.

00:14:35.520 Yes, that's right.

00:14:36.320 And I saw that, you know, someone in the chat there, they're saying, yeah, I'm legitimately uncomfortable watching this or listening to this.

00:14:44.600 And I totally understand, guys, you should be like this is horrific, like Pedro had said.

00:14:49.720 But at the same time, you can't look away because this stuff is is continuing, right?

00:14:54.820 Full force. This is now a full scale industrial industry, which is what Pedro is going to explain a little more here.

00:15:00.560 So sorry, I interrupted there. You were talking about my mind. I was like, man, I'm going on and on.

00:15:06.920 No, that's right. And there are so many aspects of this case that prefigure everything that that we're kind of swimming in today down to the fact that, you know,

00:15:19.900 even when we could prove that the John Jones case was a failure, people refused to accept that.

00:15:24.220 But it's one of these things. I mean, you see this all the time, right?

00:15:27.160 Maybe another example of this, not not related to transgenderism, but just this kind of idea of how myths are more powerful than facts.

00:15:34.800 Is this the the whole narrative that that Trump said that there were good people on both sides or something like that?

00:15:41.300 Remember at Charlottesville? Yeah.

00:15:43.160 And I don't remember the specifics of it, but basically the lies that Trump was explicitly excusing like Nazis or something like that.

00:15:50.200 And although he, I think, condemned them or something along those lines, we get it.

00:15:54.880 But the point is, is that he's being he's being accused of saying something that he didn't say.

00:15:59.200 And although there's literally like, you know, video evidence of the fact that that's not true, it's still true.

00:16:05.420 Like people will still talk about it today. I think you often comment on this like that.

00:16:08.960 Maybe that's that's one example that I just gave.

00:16:10.560 But I think you you have pointed out other examples where like, you know, although we have tons of evidence that a leftist narrative is totally false, it just continues to be true.

00:16:19.120 And it's repeated enough times that it becomes true.

00:16:22.460 And I think that's that's that's something that you saw with the John Jones case.

00:16:26.280 And then also when people were confronted with the facts, they just know.

00:16:30.260 I believe that this is true. I believe that basically we've developed the scientific scientific techniques to turn men into women and women to men.

00:16:37.660 But another aspect of this is that, again, trust the science. Right.

00:16:42.780 Well, one of the drugs that was used as an effeminizing hormone for David Reamer is no longer used as part of the of the process of transitioning,

00:16:53.160 because now we know that there's tons of evidence that it actually it actually increased the likelihood of of of of cardiovascular disease, blood clots.

00:17:04.300 Sorry, I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head, but it's it's a very common effeminizing hormone.

00:17:10.060 I wrote about it in my report. I can't. It's a ethanol estridol.

00:17:16.480 I think I might have butchered it. But but basically we no longer use it because we saw actually in transsexual patients that it dramatically increased the likelihood of these people coming down with blood clots.

00:17:29.560 But at the time, it was like a, you know, like a wonder drug that we gave to these people to turn them into in the case of like David Reamer to turn them into a girl.

00:17:39.200 And again, that's something that you see today. Right. Like drugs like Lupron.

00:17:44.100 There was an article in The New York Times recently about about puberty suppression for trans youth.

00:17:48.740 And by the way, I didn't share that article because I didn't care that The New York Times was saying that because it's like you're a little bit late to the game.

00:17:58.320 New York Times. Also, you helped spread this like The New York Times was part of this whole John Jones thing. Right.

00:18:05.320 So, yeah, that's why I don't celebrate when outlets like The New York Times will kind of halfheartedly criticize this stuff.

00:18:12.480 Well, it's part of the game. Right. It's the same thing they did with covid.

00:18:15.120 They push totalitarian, horrific stuff. They, you know, destroy the lives of people and they damage children.

00:18:22.580 And then they go back two years later and they start writing stories about, oh, you know, the the the ability of of underprivileged children to learn has been permanently.

00:18:34.140 It's like, yeah, because you made this happen. Right.

00:18:36.520 Yes. But because they get to control the information, they get to play both sides of the dialectic.

00:18:40.520 They get to advance the whole horrific thing, but they get to blame it on other people.

00:18:44.980 And then they go get to go back and take the side of the victims that they created at the end of the whole process.

00:18:51.260 Yeah. Well, actually, we can get to Lupron later, but I'll just I'll just mention that.

00:18:55.320 Basically, this drug that was used to effeminize David Reamer, we no longer use it because it's dangerous for these types of treatments.

00:19:04.460 Right. And it's the same thing with modern drugs that we now use in place of that, like Lupron, which we can get into later.

00:19:10.960 But the second aspect that we can take or the third aspect that we can take away from the John Jones case is the fact that a lot of John Money's work was funded by the federal government through the NIH.

00:19:23.700 And I think this is important because, like you said, we want to dismiss this. Right.

00:19:28.420 Like, well, it's a culture war issue doesn't affect me.

00:19:31.280 They're going to actually it doesn't matter. It's completely irrelevant if you don't want anything to do with this issue because it's being funded with your money.

00:19:39.260 The people that are conducting research, arguing that one children who want to transition but can't because their parents won't let them should be taken out of those homes under court orders.

00:19:51.940 The same people that are doing that research, like John Money, are doing the research with NIH grants.

00:19:59.840 So you don't actually get a choice here. There is no opting out of this whole thing.

00:20:04.680 Like, you can pretend that it's not happening or you can, you know, there are other things that I want to worry about or whatever, like pocketbook issues.

00:20:11.880 Well, this is actually being funded with your pocketbook, whether you like it or not.

00:20:15.540 So those are kind of the three major lessons from the John Jones case.

00:20:19.240 Well, and it tells us, especially like you're talking about with that funding, that this is not some kind of fully organic movement. Right.

00:20:27.480 This is not some ground up, you know, groundswell of people who felt this and this was moved along.

00:20:33.780 This was actively funded by politicians. This was this was this cause was advanced, particularly by people who wanted to see it move forward.

00:20:43.760 They wanted this to be an option so that they could advance this agenda.

00:20:48.840 This is not some random thing that just popped up out of the ether.

00:20:52.100 It's not some organic cultural movement that occurred because of some change in the zeitgeist.

00:20:57.360 This is a top down manufacturing of a situation funded with taxpayer dollars.

00:21:01.780 Yeah, no, that's right. And I think what's astonishing is that because you often hear this, well, like how many trans people are there in America?

00:21:10.320 How many trans kids are there in America? A lot more than just like five or 10 years ago, actually.

00:21:14.960 Yeah, it's actually growing at a really alarming rate.

00:21:17.560 And on the one hand, that's kind of this like this kind of tactical indifference. Right.

00:21:23.340 First, we don't care about it because it's a non-issue. And then once it becomes a big enough issue, then we have to pass laws to guarantee people's right to transition at an earlier and earlier age.

00:21:34.900 And I think one of the reasons why that logic is so pernicious is exactly that, yes, the rate of of minors who identify as trans. 1.00

00:21:45.980 I write about this stuff in my report. It has increased dramatically in a short period of time.

00:21:51.480 But if you look carefully at the data, most young people who experience gender identity disorder, what we now call gender dysphoria, most of these people, their confusion, their dysphoria will resolve on its own.

00:22:05.620 So a boy will end up being a boy and a girl will end up being a girl unless you begin the process of transitioning them. 0.96

00:22:12.140 And again, we're always accused of wanting to like under subject people to things like conversion therapy.

00:22:19.440 Right. Which is this idea that we want to like elect like Mike Pence, electrocute people, zap them. 0.91

00:22:25.860 Well, puberty suppression, the first part of the transition sequence, like survey after survey and data set after data set show that basically once you begin the process of suppressing puberty,

00:22:36.340 which is followed by administering crostics hormones and the medical surgical interventions like mastectomies.

00:22:40.940 Once you begin the process of suppressing puberty, the likelihood that a kid is going to go on to the next step and each step is more irreversible and destructive than the last.

00:22:50.980 The likelihood that they're going to move forward increases dramatically.

00:22:54.460 So whereas you have, you know, a generation of young people that are kind of understandably confused about their bodies, but ultimately they'll be OK.

00:23:02.340 You know, they'll make it out. The moment that you introduce like stuff like puberty suppression,

00:23:06.420 then the chances of them moving on to these more destructive steps dramatically increases.

00:23:10.660 And that's why that whole logic of like, well, what's the big deal? Why do you care? That's why it's so pernicious.

00:23:15.480 And I think oftentimes it is. If it's not in bad faith, it comes from just an ignorance of exactly how dangerous this stuff is and how top down it is.

00:23:24.580 I think it is bad faith. I think it is directly bad faith.

00:23:27.160 I think it's people who want to treat the body like meat Legos and they want to treat the identity of people as if something because we hear this all the time.

00:23:34.800 Right. Like people say this as if it's not some horrific, you know, Frankenstein thing they're just throwing out there.

00:23:41.520 Oh, you know, if they if you if you get a mastectomy, you just get you just get, you know, they could put back on if you change your mind.

00:23:47.720 Right. Like, oh, this is something we can just go back and do another surgery as if there's no physical, mental, emotional,

00:23:53.520 spiritual cost to people by just completely rending apart the things that make you a human and make you who you are.

00:24:01.320 Right. I think these people, like you said, this each step in the process commits these people to something deeper and deeper.

00:24:08.380 And I think that's a feature, not a bug. Right. Because they know that not only are they going to get customers for life,

00:24:15.640 not only is big pharma going to get customers for life who are going to be massive profit centers for these people,

00:24:22.360 but they also know they have political foot soldiers for life, because once you've made that kind of deep ideological commitment at a very young age,

00:24:30.940 that's basically irreversible. Where else are you going to go? Right. Like, what else are you going to do?

00:24:35.460 I think I think this really is very malicious. And I think that it people who are treating it as no big deal or something that can just be fixed with a minor surgery or,

00:24:46.980 you know, just suspending, you know, some kind of medication. It's absolutely pernicious. It's not. I don't think it is.

00:24:54.260 And, you know, there, I'm sure there's people out there who are just parroting back the talking points who are trying to do it in some kind of good faith.

00:25:02.040 But I don't think the people pushing it are at all.

00:25:05.240 No. And that's exactly a central point to my report, which is that I go over all of the different data and all of different studies,

00:25:17.180 or at least the major ones that kind of lay the foundations for justifying these treatments in young people,

00:25:23.800 like the Dutch protocol, for example. And I go over all of these things and I show that either they're fundamentally flawed from the beginning.

00:25:34.660 They don't apply to the current populations, like the Dutch protocol, or they're proven outright wrong later.

00:25:44.680 So and I think you can see that that's true, not just because it's obvious whether, you know, you have eyes to see and ears to hear,

00:25:52.060 but also when you look at England, Finland, and Sweden, we often make fun of Europeans because we think that they're weird.

00:25:58.160 But they're actually either sharply curtailing these medical interventions for minors or stopping them altogether because they're realizing exactly that.

00:26:06.360 Like this stuff is insane. It's dangerous. And the consequences of it, of these treatments are often irreversible.

00:26:14.000 Like we're scarring young people for life. But the United States is going full speed ahead.

00:26:19.320 And so what I argue is, is that I think part of this, because obviously my report is about transgenderism,

00:26:26.660 but I think it's part of a, it's part of a system or a part of a larger issue, which is a healthcare system that does,

00:26:34.100 I mean, this sounds like a lefty talking point, but it's totally true. A system that runs on profit.

00:26:38.100 And, and I mean, because that's really what you're talking about when you're talking about transgenderism,

00:26:43.880 you're talking about, you know, someone who does like a, someone who's doing female to male transitioning and it needs a double mastectomy. 0.62

00:26:51.880 You're talking about thousands of tens of thousands of dollars just for that one treatment. Right.

00:26:56.280 And that's not even getting into hormone therapy, which typically is like a lifetime thing and costs thousands of dollars per visit to the clinic,

00:27:05.980 depending on what your insurance looks like, or if you have insurance, you're talking about a lifetime consumer for the, for the medical industry.

00:27:12.920 And I think that's, that's probably a huge reason why this is not, I mean, it is, I argue this,

00:27:19.620 but I'm saying this larger issue of how the healthcare system is set up in the United States.

00:27:23.940 But I argue in my report that that is, that is a driving factor. It's a factor. It's not the main factor.

00:27:31.320 I think it's important to note that oftentimes interest, the monetary aspect and the structural aspect,

00:27:38.160 will align neatly with what basically true believers want.

00:27:44.680 There is a kind of confluence basically between ideologues and interest groups and, and behind ideologues.

00:27:50.720 Often you, you can find, you know, an interest group that is happy to make this crazy person in San Francisco their,

00:27:57.940 their mouthpiece because they really believe in it. But at the same time that, you know,

00:28:02.240 like Lupron that manufactures the, or sorry, AbbVie Pharmaceuticals, which manufactures Lupron,

00:28:09.260 the top, or it's, it's one of the top two drugs that's used in puberty suppression.

00:28:15.640 There's a reason that, that AbbVie will pay doctors to travel around the country and talk about Lupron Pediatric.

00:28:23.580 And oftentimes when you follow the money, like I did in my report, you can connect doctors who are,

00:28:30.720 I think, actually true believers to pharmaceutical companies like AbbVie, who are also paying them

00:28:36.440 to, to go around and talk about why Lupron is perfectly safe for kids.

00:28:40.980 So you've always been picky about your produce, but now you find yourself checking every label to make sure it's Canadian.

00:28:47.340 So be it.

00:28:48.420 At Sobeys, we always pick guaranteed fresh Canadian produce first.

00:28:52.300 Restrictions apply. See in-store or online for details.

00:28:57.900 Yeah, I think that that's a really important point because a lot of people will just point to the ideology or just point to the money.

00:29:05.120 And it's really important, you know, Gaetana Mosca said that political formulas require the, the, it's, you,

00:29:11.580 it's not enough to just have naked power or interest out there.

00:29:14.600 Most of the time they're most, most people need to have an ideological investment.

00:29:19.300 And that doesn't mean that these things don't interact.

00:29:21.740 They do constantly motivate each other.

00:29:23.540 The ideology motivates the profit and the profit motivates the ideology, but it's not enough to go around and just say, well, these people are cynical profiteers or go around and say, well, these people are only true believers.

00:29:34.840 There is both.

00:29:35.940 It is always both.

00:29:36.980 The material motivations and the ideological motivations.

00:29:40.840 They work hand in hand.

00:29:42.020 They feed back to each other, right?

00:29:43.680 It's a, it's a closed feedback loop that accelerates this kind of stuff.

00:29:47.060 And on top of that, I think it's really important to note that, you know, you talk a lot and we'll get deeper into this.

00:29:53.920 I'm sure you talk about the big medical, but we have to remember, and, and, you know, patronage theory of politics here, shout out to the good old boys.

00:30:01.180 You know, the patronage theory of politics here, every part of the civil rights revolution for the left comes with patronage.

00:30:10.300 Every bit of this, the reason they always need a new cause, the reason they always need to find a cause du jour is that every time you switch the cause, every time you further the revolution, there's a whole new set of people who get paid.

00:30:23.600 There's a whole new infrastructure that needs to be swapped in, not just on the medical side, but remember they're, these people are writing books.

00:30:30.660 They're going out and giving lectures.

00:30:32.600 They're creating lesson plans for schools.

00:30:35.040 They're creating action plans for corporations.

00:30:37.420 They're giving speed speeches to these people, corporate gigs.

00:30:40.620 They're doing all of this stuff.

00:30:42.020 All this, all of a sudden this thing just goes from being surgeries and these people making lots of money in the medical realm to be an entire industry spread out across every aspect of our culture.

00:30:53.140 And all of it filters back to people who are supporting a specific ideological political side.

00:30:58.800 No.

00:30:59.520 Yeah.

00:31:00.060 I mean, you don't, you, that doesn't even get into the kind of like enforcement or safety structure that also has to, to, to go behind this stuff.

00:31:10.080 Like, I mean, that we're all aware of the fact that the FBI and the DOJ are, you know, monitoring parents that show up to school board meetings to protest this, the, basically the, the promotion of trans ideology in K through 12 education.

00:31:22.520 Right.

00:31:22.800 Like these people are viewed as, as kind of like terroristic threats.

00:31:26.980 There have been pediatric associations that have basically asked the federal government to step in and stop people like me or parents or concerned parents from criticizing them.

00:31:38.500 And under, of course, the, the pretext that somehow this exposes them to like actual threats or something like that.

00:31:45.280 I mean, all of this really just amounts to a gigantic jobs program.

00:31:50.140 Like you need administrators, you need enforcers, you need social workers.

00:31:57.240 There was a parent who, when I was, I was talking about this at a, on a panel in Washington, DC.

00:32:03.260 And when I started talking about how the courts are increasingly getting involved in this, she actually, she made me want to look into this, this other topic even more, but basically she said that there's also a kind of incentive system for, for the courts to get involved.

00:32:17.900 And to work with social workers and physicians and this stuff.

00:32:21.500 And she laid it out for me because she said, she's had to, she's, she's dealt with this stuff as someone who's involved as an activist on this front.

00:32:27.900 And it was just fascinating because I never thought about that.

00:32:31.260 It's funny because like, you know, the left will talk about the incarceration system and how it like, it's for profit and like the court system for profit, but somehow they don't talk about the weaponization of the courts.

00:32:41.120 Because to, to separate children, I mean, I'm being sarcastic.

00:32:45.740 I know that they don't talk about it because they don't care.

00:32:48.160 It's, it's different rules for different groups of people, but it's just fascinating because you, you really, I mean, that's why I called my report.

00:32:55.420 The Transmitter Leviathan, because it's 10,000 words, 40 pages long, but it's still just a glimpse of the problem.

00:33:01.880 And really, like the more steps you take back, the, the vaster its size and scope becomes.

00:33:09.100 And you realize that all of the attempts to kind of dismiss this and to downplay it, they become increasingly absurd when you realize just how massive this thing is.

00:33:20.800 Well, and you document the, the specific funding corruption of science, right?

00:33:25.120 The same people who would say, well, of course, you know, cigarette companies pay off scientists to discover that cigarettes don't cause cancer are more than happy to fund the people who discover that, you know, these drugs don't have any ill effects or, you know, are in some way beneficial to those who are in theory transitioning.

00:33:43.500 Yeah. Yeah. There was, there was, there was, there was a doctor in my report who in 2009 told the Chicago Tribune about the benefits of puberty that Lupron deprives users of that range from bone density to reproductive health.

00:34:04.940 So this is in 2009. And in 2010, the same doctor authors, a study that submitted to the FDA on Lupron's use among children.

00:34:17.340 And people noted that this study conspicuously omitted some of the more serious side effects of Lupron.

00:34:24.360 Well, it turns out that if you look at, there were two databases that I use.

00:34:30.500 One is a now defunct ProPublica database that tracked basically doctors who receive money from, or doctors and medical associations that receive money from pharmaceutical companies.

00:34:43.780 And there's a newer database and I use both of them.

00:34:46.280 And what I found was is this particular doctor who in a short period of time went from like this Lupron is actually a pretty serious drug with serious side effects to, you know, offering a study that omits some of the more egregious side effects.

00:35:01.400 Well, the guy had received hundreds of thousands of dollars from AbbVie specifically or specifically for Lupron for this drug.

00:35:11.740 And when you actually look at this newer database that I cite and which provides more granular data, you can see that the guy had received tons of money specifically in connection to Lupron Depot Pediatric, which is the drug that's used for kids.

00:35:26.400 And so again, like that doctor might be a true believer.

00:35:32.260 I have no idea.

00:35:33.040 He probably does believe in this stuff now, right?

00:35:35.600 Because I think if you, if you, there, there are two things that can happen.

00:35:39.880 One is you can start being a true believer or two, you can say the lie enough times you'll start to believe in it because there's also money involved.

00:35:47.400 But, but, but that's my central point is that this is, there is an infrastructure to this that makes, that is precisely why this issue is not slowing down.

00:35:58.200 And another example is a doctor that's based out of San Francisco.

00:36:03.340 His last name is Rosenthal.

00:36:04.500 And he recently wrote an article, I think for the San Francisco Chronicle, uh, about a bill in Idaho that, uh, if it would have been signed into law, it would have completely banned, um, transition therapy for minors, puberty suppression, cross-sex hormones, medical, uh, surgical interventions.

00:36:23.400 And again, this doctor probably actually believes in this stuff.

00:36:26.440 He, he argued that these treatments are lifesaving.

00:36:28.700 He said they're nothing short of lifesaving.

00:36:30.200 He probably actually does believe in that stuff, but he's also received money from, uh, from, from AbbVie Pharmaceuticals in connection to Lupron.

00:36:39.300 And I also found that his research into early medical interventions for trans youth received a $5.7 million grant from the NIH.

00:36:49.480 So I'm sure that Dr. Rosenthal in California probably really does believe in this stuff, but there's also, you know, a good amount of money and, uh, and employment involved in, in, in promoting these ideas.

00:36:59.800 And again, I think that's why it's not slowing down.

00:37:03.660 So Pedro, are you telling me that scientists and the peer review process are not some kind of a holy sanctification that means that their words are the unchallengeable writ of the deity that then can lead us to the correct moral conclusions in all cases?

00:37:20.160 That's very confusing.

00:37:21.260 I've, I've been informed otherwise.

00:37:22.660 I don't, yeah, no, I, I, I love this stuff because it's, it's kind of fun to be in our position right now.

00:37:29.120 Um, because we're, in some ways we're occupying the kind of like, you know, the, the muckraker, uh, position that the left used to occupy in terms of kind of looking at, you know, how power really works in this country.

00:37:40.840 Um, and it's just hilarious because it just shows how fraudulent, uh, the left is as a supposed countervailing force and check on power.

00:37:49.480 It's just, it's not that at all.

00:37:51.100 Um, another good example of this is earlier this year, the, the Biden administration cited a report by the Trevor Project, which is a nonprofit LGBT advocacy organization.

00:38:01.960 And it cited a report by the Trevor Project that argued that these interventions are necessary for young people in order to improve their mental and physical health outcomes.

00:38:11.100 It's like, oh man, that's, that's compelling.

00:38:12.980 It's a nonprofit, uh, that does like nonpartisan objective fact-based research.

00:38:17.680 Well, the Trevor Project has received tens of thousands of dollars from, from AbbVie Foundation, which is the, uh, the giving arm of AbbVie Pharmaceuticals, which like I've laid out makes Lupron, which is used as part of the transition sequence.

00:38:32.640 So you, you kind of see this, this cycle of, I'm sure the people at the Trevor Project really believe it, uh, in this stuff, but they're also getting tons of money to say it.

00:38:41.700 So that helps. Right. And then it, it, it totally belies the idea that, that, um, that this is a totally grassroots thing, uh, that these people are just kind of the scrappy underdogs of our time.

00:38:54.520 You have the, the white house is endorsing this stuff.

00:38:58.560 And, and like Biden a few days ago when signing the, uh, the inaccurately named respect for marriage law, uh, he said that, uh, we need to, to do something about these, these laws in the States that are targeting trans youth.

00:39:13.480 Like it's a, it's a complete inversion of, of reality. Um, that again, these, the, the, the ideologues, the ones that are pushing this stuff, the interest groups, they're actually kind of the, the, the underfunded, you know, uh, skeleton crew that's taking on like the big, well-funded bigots like us.

00:39:32.080 So I want to talk about a couple of things there that you hit. Cause, cause there's a couple important things there.

00:39:38.100 I think first you talked about the Trevor project and kind of their influence. And if I, I believe the, uh, Matt Damon clone who steals women's, uh, clothes was also a member of the Trevor project or work for them in some capacity before becoming like an official in like nuclear waste disposal, uh, for,

00:40:02.060 the Biden administration, which is really fascinating, I think, because at the same time we look at a guy like Yul Roth over at Twitter who did a lot of research in like, you know, uh, whether or not minors should be on grinder, uh, as like a graduate thesis.

00:40:18.120 And somehow that person is qualified to like censor the president of the United States. It seems, you know, I'm going to Charlie day here for a moment. I'm going to, I'm going to throw the, you know, all the charts up here and connect the,

00:40:31.840 the red lines it, but it seems like there's a very weird pattern of people who are plugged in to certain levels of activism or activism for this movement, having access to extremely powerful positions that otherwise it doesn't seem like they would be qualified for with no other explanation than kind of the social cachet that comes with being activists in this movement.

00:40:59.760 Am I a crazy person here?

00:41:02.020 No, you're right. It's like an affirmative action program for crazy people. Um, but, but I mean, something that is, um, something that you can glean from this, I think it's actually really fascinating and horrifying ways is what a couple of well-positioned ideologues and true believers can do. 0.96

00:41:23.160 Like a handful of people in positions of power can fundamentally change, uh, everything about this country.

00:41:32.420 Like Roth is a great example of this. I think, you know, he wasn't the only, you know, crazy person at Twitter, but he was, you know, uh, one of the main ones, one of the chief ones.

00:41:42.040 And he had a tremendous amount of influence over what we could see and say on the platform, um, to the point where I think you could, you could argue accurately that it was, you know, able to influence the outcome of elections.

00:41:54.360 Just a handful of, of, of, uh, of highly active true believers can really change the dynamic in this country, uh, when they're put in somewhere like the white house or at the head of a platform like Twitter.

00:42:08.560 Um, and, and again, any time that you attempt to, to, you know, point out, um, what it is they're doing or expose them or whatever, they go from being someone who holds a tremendous amount of power over you to in an instant being like a victim.

00:42:26.980 Um, like Roth right now claims to be in hiding and fearing for his life and safety, um, because people have pointed out that he wrote in his PhD dissertation that, that basically it's such a ridiculous, the, the counter argument to people like me is ridiculous because basically on the one hand, Roth documents his use of grinder.

00:42:48.500 Uh, and the funny thing about grinder is, is that, well, everyone knows exactly what it is.

00:42:53.940 It's a hookup app.

00:42:54.940 Like, it's not like, like I met my wife on, um, playing a fish.

00:42:59.340 This is a fun, fun fact about me.

00:43:00.940 Right.

00:43:01.380 So like I met my wife on a, on a dating website.

00:43:04.760 Grinder is not a dating website.

00:43:05.880 Like everyone knows that grinder is vice news has this really funny line about what grinder is.

00:43:11.360 Like it uses GPS technology to locate the nearest person next to you who wants to hook up.

00:43:16.820 And so like, so Roth was using that and documenting it as part of his, there's a whole, there's a lot to unpack here, but that was his PhD.

00:43:23.940 And then he argues, well, miners are already using these platforms, not just grinder, but they're already, they're using platforms like Twitter and Facebook in a way that you would use grinder to, to explore their sexuality as, as you would say.

00:43:38.380 So instead of driving them out, we should basically just accommodate different use cases.

00:43:43.660 Like it's, it's, I, I wrote about this in my sub stack, um, just the incredible amount of euphemisms that he uses, like youth case, uh, use cases, exploring sexuality, stuff like that.

00:43:53.060 Um, uh, the young adult community, which increasingly accused, uh, includes people under 18.

00:43:59.280 Um, and, but, but that basically what Roth is saying is we, we can't prevent people who are legally minors from interacting with these, uh, not just these ideas and content, but implicitly these people.

00:44:15.780 So we should just accommodate their presence on these platforms.

00:44:19.460 And you can see that what that looks like in reality is Twitter has a massive child porn problem, uh, problem to the extent that in the last few years that Twitter actually could not roll out.

00:44:32.600 It's, it's, it's, they wanted to have a competitor program to, uh, only fans basically to monetize adult content, but an internal team found that it would be basically really risky for them to do that because there is so much content on Twitter that can be described as child sexual exploitation.

00:44:49.920 So I think that the issue was that you'd run the risk of like accidentally monetizing that.

00:44:54.280 So, because there's no way to like, they didn't have the tools to verify, you know, who's, are the people in this video over 18?

00:45:01.460 And in some cases, uh, in the last year or so, uh, one family has sued Twitter because, um, a kid who was under 18, uh, got involved in some like really shady stuff and a video of him having sex with another minor ended up on Twitter and Twitter refused to take it down.

00:45:19.820 And it was seen, uh, hundreds of thousands of times and the family is suing Twitter.

00:45:25.320 There's a federal lawsuit out.

00:45:27.000 Um, so again, you can kind of see that, that, that, uh, you know, I don't know. 0.98

00:45:31.460 Um, what these ideas look like when they go from being just euphemisms that we giggle at to actual policy, you're talking about double mastectomies about removing a boy's testicle and penis, uh, testicles and penis, or the proliferation of like child porn on Twitter. 0.98

00:45:51.020 Like the reality is always much more horrific than these goofy euphemisms that we hear from, from these people. 0.98

00:45:57.660 Yeah.

00:45:58.180 And like you, you talked about, uh, earlier in our discussion, it's always through this process of it's not happening.

00:46:04.280 It's not real.

00:46:05.020 You don't need to worry about it until you hit a critical mass of it happening.

00:46:09.200 And then it's, well, of course it's happening.

00:46:11.140 And now we have to create some safe way, some kind of exception, some kind of allowance for it, for it to continue to occur.

00:46:17.040 They do this over and over again.

00:46:19.100 Right.

00:46:19.640 And the whole time they're mocking the people who warned about it the entire time.

00:46:22.960 And this is a very common, and actually I just did a piece on this that should probably be out in the blaze here in the next, in the next few hours, uh, about coding the culture war as low class coding people who would warn about this stuff as ridiculous.

00:46:37.780 Oh, this isn't really happening.

00:46:39.220 You're so foolish for noticing this slippery slopes, not real that, you know, there, there's no logical consequence for this thing happening, waiting until you get a critical mass of it happening. 0.98

00:46:48.660 And then saying, Oh yes, of course we are. We always knew this was going to happen. Actually, it's great that it's happening. This is what everybody wanted the whole time. Right. 0.99

00:46:55.620 And just shaming anyone who dares to notice, you know, like you said, the, the, the attempts to just scream bigot at anyone who might point out the very obvious and horrific stuff that's going on has been really effective.

00:47:08.200 But, you know, obviously we're hoping that that's coming to an end.

00:47:11.700 And I think there are, there are signs showing that, you know, there is a diminishing return on how often you can kind of run through this tactic.

00:47:19.520 But the other thing I wanted to touch on that you, you mentioned there when you were talking is the embrace by the white house of this stuff, right?

00:47:27.380 Like Joe Biden, who was like, you know, 15 years ago talking about how you didn't really need a constitutional amendment to protect marriage because it was already law and you were never, ever going to see someone redefine marriage.

00:47:39.640 Don't be ridiculous is now standing at the podium of the white house talking about the importance of like getting rid of laws that protect children from mutilation.

00:47:49.420 I've said this many times on Twitter and, and it's already come true. 0.94

00:47:54.140 This is going to be used to separate children from parents.

00:47:57.420 This is going to be used to punish wrong thinkers and strip them of their children.

00:48:01.480 And I think it's really clear that the white house and the, and the left is planning to do this.

00:48:07.060 They're, they're, they are going to eventually mobilize in a way that makes sure to punish anybody who kind of disagrees with the regime by like, by making sure that this civil rights issue of protecting trans kids.

00:48:19.420 Trans kids is used to strip, you know, and to be clear, there are no trans kids. 1.00

00:48:23.380 That's another thing, but, but, but we'll be used to strip parents of their rights. 1.00

00:48:29.060 And so I think it's a lot of Republicans are really uncomfortable.

00:48:34.260 A lot of conservatives are still uncomfortable with saying things like this stuff needs to be illegal.

00:48:38.780 There needs to be criminal penalties.

00:48:41.900 We see a lot of people, even people on, you know, the so-called new right who are trying to wave people away from this.

00:48:48.480 Oh, it's not, it's a, it's nothing.

00:48:50.340 The left isn't really pushing this stuff.

00:48:52.040 You should be focusing on, I don't know, labor relations or something like that.

00:48:56.320 I see, I see a lot of this from people who are supposed to be very influential in kind of new movements.

00:49:02.840 And this stuff needs to be taken very, very seriously.

00:49:06.420 These people will try to smuggle this stuff in the back door again, if possible, they're pushing very hard for it.

00:49:12.880 And I think people need to become very comfortable with saying this stuff is, is, should be illegal.

00:49:18.560 There should be incredibly serious criminal penalties for this stuff.

00:49:22.240 And there should be no retreat, retreat from that position.

00:49:26.140 Yeah.

00:49:26.440 Well, it's funny because you, in moments of clarity, will hear the left say what they really, what they really think.

00:49:33.960 And early on with Elon taking over Twitter, there was this tweet from a leftist who said something like, I get why Elon hates the left.

00:49:45.300 We, we took his wife and transed his daughter, transed one of his kids.

00:49:49.480 I don't know if it was his daughter or son.

00:49:50.500 Um, but it was a moment where it was like, wow, they actually are like, this person is admitting what we all say, uh, that they, they understand that the things that they want are simply horrific to us.

00:50:03.860 Like she's literally bragging about, you know, taking someone's child and, and basically brainwashing them and mutilating them. 0.60

00:50:10.920 And she understands that how horrific that must be for a parent.

00:50:15.200 Um, it's just like, I, I, I actually have so much more respect for that person, uh, than, than the people that lie to me.

00:50:23.460 It's like, I get it.

00:50:24.420 Like, because it is an act of war on a parent, right?

00:50:27.260 That's exactly right.

00:50:28.340 Um, no, it's, I, and like I said, I appreciate those moments of clarity, but I, and I think, again, one of the things that I draw to my report is that, um, you just have to pay attention to these people and their moments of honesty.

00:50:43.580 Uh, there's a, uh, there's a doctor.

00:50:45.740 And if you hear me not naming doctors specifically, it's because there are so many different doctors and drugs in my report that I, I don't want to like give you a wrong name.

00:50:54.680 And then you go in there and look at it and you, you realize that I misnamed the person.

00:50:58.340 It's all, it's all in there.

00:50:59.300 Just read it.

00:51:00.120 But there's a doctor, um, who was at a conference.

00:51:05.360 Um, and she, this, this is a fairly recent conference in the last five years or so.

00:51:11.020 And, and, uh, in the audience are these different physicians and psychologists and a person asks, well, what happens if a child is recommended, um, for, you know, beginning the process of transitioning and we have a parent that doesn't want to go along.

00:51:29.440 Um, and so this doctor answers very frankly and says on several occasions, I've had to deal with what she describes as recalcitrant, recalcitrant parents.

00:51:38.600 And she says, it's not my first line, not, in other words, not my first option, but she says, I will get the courts involved.

00:51:46.040 And, and then another doctor who's also on the stage, uh, chimes in and says, yeah, there, there, um, she says, we've also had to deal with this in the state that she lives.

00:51:55.740 And she says, um, we're spending a lot more time these days talking to courts and social workers.

00:52:02.600 Um, she says, we're, we're teaching judges what transgenderism is.

00:52:07.300 So, so basically by the time that you get to the court, the judge is not on your side because now the judge has already been armed by this person with a PhD, right.

00:52:18.260 Who works for like a prestigious clinic and is associated with like, you know, some prestigious university, um, has, and has told them that transgender, uh, transitioning is life-saving.

00:52:29.740 And so like you, you've already lost by the time that you get into the court.

00:52:33.060 And, uh, sorry, one second.

00:52:35.580 I know you're a Sam Francis guy.

00:52:37.160 Have you read Leviathan and its enemies?

00:52:39.500 It's been a long time.

00:52:41.480 Okay.

00:52:42.320 Well, cause, cause Francis specifically talks about this, about how the managerial elite basically hijacked the justice system because there's, because judges basically become unable to make rulings without the expertise of the managerial elite.

00:52:59.020 And so anyone who controls them, therefore de facto controls the justice system because no judge would go against basically the best practices and advice of someone who is supposed to have expertise in an area.

00:53:10.580 So if you generate the idea of expertise and, uh, and can they manage your elite in the area of transgenderism, then you can hijack all of the court process that surrounds it because all the experts will already be on your side and they'll inform all the positions of the judges. 0.61

00:53:27.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's terrifying.

00:53:29.980 Right.

00:53:30.240 And, but, but here's the, the kicker though, is that the first doctor, the one that says that we've, I've had to do this personally, uh, numerous times getting the courts involved.

00:53:40.120 Um, she conducted research into, um, medical interventions for trans youth and she actually authored a study that was funded with NIH money that argues that, uh, girls as young as 13, um, should have access to mastectomies as part of transitioning.

00:53:58.000 So again, you don't get to opt out, like she's doing that research.

00:54:02.320 It's, it's incredible, right?

00:54:04.260 Um, she's doing that research with your money. 1.00

00:54:06.780 And if your kid for some, you know, unfortunate reason decides that they're trans one day, uh, trans one day because of something they saw on TV or heard, or heard from a peer, um, and you end up in court that, that judge's head has been filled by things, uh, and, and can like cite studies that were made by this doctor.

00:54:26.980 Like you, so you really see that there is no opting out of this issue and, and you can roll your eyes on it and think that it's, you know, coded for like low class Americans and whatever.

00:54:37.340 Um, it, it doesn't, it doesn't change the fact that it's happening and it's going to get worse.

00:54:41.380 And I think that, I mean, there are so many other elements to this that, that I, I only touch on this stuff barely in my report because obviously I'm focusing on the more structural aspect of this, but I think a person that can, that can be convinced that, um,

00:54:55.660 a person that can, that can be convinced that if they take enough drugs and subject themselves to, to, to mutilations, um, can, can, you know, fundamentally change their identity is a person that is completely unmoored from reality and is therefore easy to control.

00:55:13.280 Uh, it's a person that ultimately has no agency and the ideal subject of, of the modern total state, you know, uh, and you can see this also in their consumer behavior.

00:55:23.380 Um, there is such thing called, uh, compensatory consumption.

00:55:27.980 And I talk about this, um, and I cite a Chinese scholar who, who notes that, that compensatory consumption is this, this behavior where you react to perceived threats by spending money.

00:55:42.500 Right. So someone says, you know, like Marjorie Taylor green wants to erase trans people.

00:55:48.520 And, and then you see a, a, a product that's advertised specifically to trans people, like makeup or like a pair of socks or whatever, that person who, who feels like they're being put upon, um, is, is much more likely than someone who's not trans or whatever to, to buy that product.

00:56:06.400 So it's, they're extremely easy to manipulate and control, which again is fantastic.

00:56:12.000 If you have something to sell or if you have a, you know, a country to subjugate. 0.99

00:56:17.940 Yeah. A woke capital is after your kids, because if they can completely deracinate them and completely strip them of identity, they become the perfect consumer and they become the perfect widget in any given, uh, corporate cog, right?

00:56:31.820 They can be sold anything they can, they can wear those identities and discard them each time having to rebuy everything they can be demand, you know, demands can be made to them at every moment, uh, when it comes to working and that kind of thing, because they have no ties to family or culture or faith or anything that might inhibit their ability to, to, to constantly have no other devotion, but to the corporation.

00:56:54.180 Yeah. There's a, there's a, there's a reason that the corporations are more than happy to immediately plug kind of into, uh, into this giant Leviathan because it, there is a massive amount of profits, not again, on just on the medical end or just on the patronage in, but also in the corporate end for all this stuff.

00:57:12.640 And so, yeah, I think it is. Um, I think you're right about that, uh, guys, we're going to get to the, uh, super chats here in a second. So if you have any questions for myself or Pedro, go ahead and drop in there. I see we've already got a few, but, uh, while we're getting ready for that, Pedro, can you go ahead and tell people kind of where to find you? If you've got anything big coming up, they should be looking for.

00:57:33.580 Yeah. So I'm on social media, pretty much everywhere. I'm under the same handle, uh, E M E R I T I C U S and Meriticus. My substack, uh, is that contra.substack.com. I, I send out roundups to my work. I send out stuff as I publish it elsewhere. It's kind of like a hub for everything I do. And I've got a column at chroniclesmagazine.org. And, um, that's really it. I, I really, um, I wrote this report for two people.

00:58:01.480 Again, it's an americanprinciplesproject.org. I wrote it for, um, on the one hand, people who are in a position to do something about it. So, uh, policy, basically policy people. Um, and on the other hand, for people that kind of want to arm themselves, um, with, you know, with, I hate to use the F word here, facts, because it's so overused, right? Like facts and logic, facts and logic. But I, I think it, those things matter for, for people who are kind of like,

00:58:30.020 that they feel that something is fundamentally wrong. Um, with, and that somehow this issue is much more important that they're being told by the left or right, but they don't really know why that is. Like I wrote this report for people like you. Um, so yeah, I really encourage you to, to check it out because, um, it's, it's designed to be comprehensive, but also concise, you know, 10,000 words. It's, it's, it's readable and it's not a, it's written almost like a novel, not a boring white paper.

00:59:00.020 Yeah. Like I said, there's, there's a lot of sensational stuff out there. It's, it's very easy to find it, but it is very valuable to have those receipts and have them laid out in a way that makes sense. And people can reference it because like you said, it doesn't convince everybody. There are the diehards who will just stare this stuff in the face and say, whatever, I don't care. It's not happening or it's not true or it's good anyway. And, and they'll just ignore it. But there are those people who are on the fence. So there's, are those people who are skeptical and saying is okay. Maybe everything's not right, but is, is maybe these people are being hyperbolic.

00:59:30.020 Maybe there's, there's no real thing behind this, but having a report like yours that lays it out in a very concise way, makes it very easy to follow, makes it easy for people to understand and really does show the goods I think is, is essential. So I'm really glad that you ended up doing that.

00:59:45.940 Also guys, before we get started with the super chats, if you haven't already, the show is now on all the podcast platforms. So if you want to go over there and subscribe on places like iTunes or Spotify, really appreciate if you go ahead and leave a rate and, and you know, a review that really helps everything. Appreciate that from you guys here.

01:00:07.120 So let's see, we've got a Nerkash here for $10. Thank you very much, sir.

01:00:12.380 He said, I did a video breaking down genderqueer two years ago. The book is tragically more revealing than the author intended. It's clear she's on the spectrum as misguided as a kid, which seems fairly common. 0.98

01:00:24.120 Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure of course about that aspect, but I do know that this book is really horrific.

01:00:31.720 I think parents have been banned specifically from like showing or reading parts of it during school board meetings due to the graphic nature of it. So it's, it's so graphic.

01:00:42.660 It can't be read out at the meaning of adults.

01:00:45.000 So graphic, it can't be read by adults, but it's, but it's targeted at children. Yeah.

01:00:49.640 It's essential, right? They don't just say it's, it's essential. It has to be in the, children must have access to this, right?

01:00:57.380 It really, really shows you where these people are at. So it's good to have people like Nerkash doing, you know, showing what that's like, because I, again, I think a lot of people just don't believe this.

01:01:07.440 You, you got to, okay, crazy person. And again, this is what we talked about with the, with the coding is low class. This is always how people treat this stuff. Oh, okay. Crazy person. Yo, you've got this conspiracy theory. You've got this slippery slope nonsense. One thing's going to logically need to do another. And all of a sudden, yeah, kids are going to get, you know, transitioned to 12. I mean, we saw so many times people lying about this, right? Oh, we don't give puberty blockers to kids that young. Oh, we don't transition. No one under, you know, 16 or 18 gets a transition, right?

01:01:35.840 And then we see reports coming out celebrating the fact that 13 year olds are getting, we know they're lying. They're lying all the time. And at this point, if you fall for the, that stuff and you're kind of aware of it, that's on you, right? You know, like you've got to, you've got to be more resistant to this stuff.

01:01:52.240 You can't let the name calling. You can't let the, the low class code and you can't let this stuff dissuade you from, from looking at the truth. Cause again, this stuff is very difficult and it's totally understandable that people don't want to look at it. I don't want to look at it, but we can't, we can't turn away. This stuff is happening to kids. These are vulnerable people who are being preyed upon by cynical actors, even if they are true believers, people who are wishing to do harm in, in some way. And then you just can't ignore that.

01:02:19.500 Yeah. We've got RCW here for five pounds. Thank you very much. A great guest. We'll see Pedro out. Hopefully he gets some think tank funding ASAP and actions are taken. Yeah. I mean, again, Pedro is all over the place. So it's doing great work and I'm sure people will be working on or looking at the support. Like Pedro said, that was the purpose of it, right? Was to make sure that people who do take policy action are familiar with the facts of these issues.

01:02:47.460 Well, and to be clear, the American principles project, they made me, I should have mentioned this at the beginning, but they actually made me a senior fellow as part of this whole initiative. And it's been well received. I mean, the panel that I was in, it's bizarre, right? Because like I'm, I'm originally from California and I live in Ohio now. I've never lived or worked in Washington, DC, but I went to DC recently to do a panel on the report.

01:03:10.900 And there was a guy from Heritage there named Jay Richards. And he was really impressed with it and basically said that he was going to kind of help distribute it because he, it's interesting to see that there are people in these more mainstream institutions that actually get it. You know, like I've, I've bashed Heritage myself, but it kind of tells you that there is some change that's happening.

01:03:35.340 Even if it's kind of subtle, even if it's kind of subtle, that people are waking up and seeing that actually this is an, this is an existential issue.

01:03:40.860 So, so it's been well received from what I've heard. And I have heard that it's making the offices and some are making the rounds and some congressional offices, which is good. It's good to hear. Cause yeah, I mean, it does feel like sometimes like no one is, is listening and just kind of shouting into the void.

01:03:57.960 So it's nice when organizations like APP and even some allies at organizations like Heritage are saying, we hear you and we're going to help you get the message out. So.

01:04:07.620 Yeah. And, and, and I want to be clear for people. You are, you are not crazy. You are right. Your, your skepticism is real for established conservative organizations. Like you are completely legitimate in your concern of capture, but I will say, as I have now had the opportunity to interact with more of these than I had ever had before.

01:04:30.900 There is a surprising number of people kind of leaning in and being like, by the way, I think some people are right about this stuff. Like, I think, you know, like, like, I think kind of you guys out there who have been kicking this around for a while.

01:04:45.020 I, I think we agree with you more than we, you know, like we see this, we want to take action on it. That doesn't mean, you know, that this is going to change overnight. That doesn't mean that you should start trusting every neocon think tank that's been sitting around the beltway.

01:04:59.660 I'm not saying that at all, but, but just for those who are, for those, you know, I, I get a lot of people tell me constant black pillar, right?

01:05:07.660 So I'm going to, I'm going to deal the, the, the, the odd white pill here. Okay. I'm going to give you the bit of hope that don't, don't buy in to, to all the mainstream conservative organizations necessarily.

01:05:18.760 I'm not saying that, but there are, this is getting talked about. There are people who are listening to spheres that you wouldn't expect.

01:05:27.100 And they know things that you wouldn't expect them to know. And they talk about articles and thinkers and things you wouldn't expect them to talk about.

01:05:33.600 That doesn't mean things change overnight, but it is like Pager said, when you find people like that in those organizations, it's worth talking to them, right?

01:05:43.700 Because these are people who do have far reaching contacts, that kind of thing. And, and even if, again, you can't give things your total trust, it does matter that people like that are listening. That means something.

01:05:55.560 I did see one person say something here that actually, I kind of wanted to talk to you a little bit. And if you don't want to talk about it, it's okay. Cause it was kind of off topic, but I, but you, you've mentioned it. We, we kind of back and forth and about it a little bit.

01:06:10.260 People who are making public apologies or making, making, making public forgiveness to like their child's murders, because those people have to be, or be of like a particular level of diversity.

01:06:26.680 This seems to be a thing that's coming up more and more often. And you have kind of blown up on about it a few times. And I think we kind of have similar feelings about it. Do you want to share those a little bit?

01:06:38.580 Yeah. Well, the example that I think is, is so illustrative, or it's the perfect example of this issue is that the Molly Tibbetts killing, right? The dad not only told people to don't use Molly's death to push your, your racist immigration views, but also what are Mexicans, if not better Iowans with better food?

01:07:04.620 You know, like it was just the most bizarre eulogy. Like his daughter has just been murdered. Maybe sexually assaulted before she was murdered. Like that, that part is kind of unclear, but she's been brutally murdered. And your reaction is Mexicans are better, better than Iowans because they make delicious tacos. What is wrong with you? Yeah.

01:07:28.300 Like I, I, I, I couldn't, it's just a hard to like wrap your brain around that. And then you had the killing of Elijah DeWitt, who was this, this young kid who literally looks like a Chad meme.

01:07:38.400 And he, he had just spoken to a university about going to play football there when he was essentially executed in a Dave and Buster's parking lot on a date with his girlfriend. Police said that they don't know what, what was said in this exchange before shots were fired.

01:07:56.460 But they said that from the time that Elijah DeWitt encountered the people who would kill him, it was like two seconds. So it's, it seems like this was planned. Right.

01:08:07.080 And the girlfriend and the girlfriend and the parents all instantly forgave the killers. And the dad specifically said, we don't know their backgrounds. Like we don't know their socioeconomic status.

01:08:20.900 It's just like, you can see that there's something deeply wrong with the, and like, and of course I forgive them. And then the latest thing was this white woman whose son, her five-year-old son was snatched by this black guy who was conservative. 0.97

01:08:36.080 And conservative media was calling him Somali. I mean, I'm sure that like his parents or his grandparents were from Somali, but he's a black guy.

01:08:44.560 In Minnesota, mall of America, snatched this five-year-old kid and threw him off a balcony. And later he admitted to the authorities that he said, I was, he said, I was looking for someone to kill. 0.71

01:08:52.720 And so he throws a five-year-old kid off the balcony. And then like the kid has to go through emergency, like brain trauma surgery to save his life. And he has a skull fracture, broken arms, broken legs.

01:09:03.120 And, you know, he's, he has this like harrowing recovery. And the mom is just like, I forgive the man that did this. And then in court, when he was sentenced, he was just totally remorseless.

01:09:15.040 Like no, no, no, no remorse, no regrets, nothing to say. And, and, and like, every time I point this out, the reaction is always the same.

01:09:26.480 It's like blue check pastors calling me like a fake Christian or something. And then like, I, I just, I don't respond.

01:09:33.000 I just, I search through their tweets for the word racism or bigotry. And sure enough, it's like the systemic racism is in the church.

01:09:40.720 Like Christians need to talk more about racism. It's like, okay. Yeah. But the point is, is like, I get it. 1.00

01:09:45.900 Like forgiveness can be a virtue. And it obviously isn't a central aspect of, of Christian doctrine.

01:09:52.600 But the, the point that I always make to people is that this is a very, it's not clear to me that forgiveness is, is actually the operative thing here.

01:10:01.920 It seems like there's something else in that up and something else seems to be like this kind of conditioning that white people have undergone that teaches them that they should just either be kind of indifferent or apathetic.

01:10:13.340 Certainly just let it go. It's not worth the trouble. If, if, you know, your attacker has enough diversity points and you should certainly forgive them to avoid, you know, the social stigma that might come if you don't forgive them.

01:10:24.420 So, so in other words, it's not really forgiveness. There's something else going on.

01:10:28.300 And the other aspect of this is like, okay, I forgive you. You should still get the death penalty. 0.82

01:10:35.400 That, I mean, like, that's really how I feel. And historically that's actually been a fairly Christian thing to do.

01:10:40.500 There's just like, there are these apocryphal stories of like the conquistadors, you know, baptizing indigenous people before they came them so that they're, you know, so that they're saved.

01:10:50.820 But, but, but like my challenge to people that will tell me like, oh, you're a fake Christian because you don't believe in forgiveness.

01:10:57.380 I'm like, okay, I would forgive someone who tried to kill my kids or, you know, did kill them.

01:11:02.580 It'd be really, really difficult, but I can bring myself to maybe say, I forgive you if they ask for it, which is already, that's already asking too much.

01:11:11.460 That's part, that's, but that's what, yeah, that's a necessary part of forgiveness that people keep, you know, skipping over here.

01:11:17.520 Yeah.

01:11:17.740 Yeah.

01:11:18.100 But so if you ask for it and death penalty and 99% of the people that are like, will attack me when I do this stuff, they don't support the death penalty.

01:11:25.860 And they support, of course, like, you know, giving these, these guys like another chance to get out of prison early so that they can reoffend and then kill someone else's kids.

01:11:34.580 And so, I mean, that, that's the, the whole issue in a nutshell.

01:11:38.640 So.

01:11:39.800 Yeah, no, I agree a hundred percent.

01:11:41.940 Like, I'm sorry, but if you, what you got out of Christianity is you forgive someone who murdered your child without them even bothering to ask, you do it publicly. 0.82

01:11:52.780 So you're performing for everyone.

01:11:54.600 Right.

01:11:55.120 And you do it and you do it to basically mitigate justice.

01:12:00.000 And let's not forget that justice is also essential part of what happens next.

01:12:04.680 Then, yeah, you're, you're not doing this, like you said, because you're motivated by your Christianity.

01:12:09.340 Or if you are, you're, what you're motivated by is a very deep perversion of Christianity.

01:12:14.600 That, that's not what, what's happening here.

01:12:16.800 What's being, what's happening is you're performing socially for a crowd.

01:12:20.460 Right.

01:12:20.960 And then it's really horrific.

01:12:22.360 It's, it's a terrible thing to see.

01:12:23.820 I remember a few years ago, and I'm going to get the details wrong because it's kind of slipped my mind at this point.

01:12:29.840 But there was a young boy who was like on his bike or something.

01:12:33.180 And like some guy just like blasted him out of nowhere.

01:12:36.640 And when the whole story broke, the big thing was like the guy claimed there or a crowd or people around him, someone claimed that the kid might have said a racial slur.

01:12:48.460 And so the whole time, yes, exactly.

01:12:52.520 The mom, the mom of this, this, this poor mother.

01:12:55.380 And, and, you know, I, I'm not, I'm not bagging on her because who knows in that position.

01:13:00.140 Right.

01:13:00.400 But like this poor mother in that scenario is spending all of her time saying, oh no, my child wasn't a racist. 0.94

01:13:06.480 As if that's the operative concern here.

01:13:09.440 If that's the most important thing.

01:13:11.360 Like if, if he had been, oh, then it would have been okay, but he wasn't.

01:13:14.660 So now we need to care.

01:13:15.540 No, this is, this is horrific thing.

01:13:17.700 And yeah, watching people sit around and pretending like this is Christianity, like it's, it's, it's horrible.

01:13:23.800 I have the same reaction you do.

01:13:26.260 All right.

01:13:26.760 We got one, I got another super chat there where we're talking.

01:13:30.700 Trey 50 Daniel for $10.

01:13:32.340 Thank you very much.

01:13:32.940 Says Yuri Bezbinov talks at length about ideological, ideological subversion.

01:13:38.160 It's how, it's how once they get to this consensus, the people convinced of it can be presented with facts and still believe in the lie.

01:13:48.220 Yeah, that's right.

01:13:49.600 If people have not seen the Yuri Bezbinov videos, they're very good.

01:13:53.280 They're, they're kind of famous on kind of the right wing, you know, they, they, they circulate through Twitter and YouTube all the time.

01:13:59.940 So if you haven't seen those, you should check them out.

01:14:01.700 It's a guy who was like in the, I believe he was in the Soviet union and, you know, he's talking about all the techniques that they use.

01:14:07.300 But yeah, there's, there's something that like a lot of people are really uncomfortable with and that's kind of why they lose in the scenario we're in that's really cutthroat.

01:14:15.840 And it's that a lot of truth is only self-evident because it's like culturally contingent.

01:14:20.940 Like you need the, the culture and the values around that truth to make itself evident.

01:14:27.260 And if you don't have them, then people will believe complete lies.

01:14:31.540 The, the, the kind of inevitability that the truth wins out has, there's some validity to it, but you have to understand that it's fighting through a lot of propaganda that, that will bury it.

01:14:42.600 The truth is that the, I believe a zero HP Lovecraft did like a little story about this.

01:14:48.060 He said the, you know, the, and he kind of lays it all out, but the, the abbreviated version of it is, you know, the, the boy who, you know, yells that they were, has no clothes ends up, you know, murdered.

01:14:59.140 He ends up executed.

01:15:00.520 Um, yeah, the, the, the story is not that everyone, the shackle or the, uh, the scales fall from their eyes and then the truth is seen.

01:15:08.100 Um, instead what happens is that that kid is executed and, uh, just, just something to remember when you're expecting that just saying something that's obvious and true is going to win out.

01:15:17.960 Because actually we've got a very, like we talked about multiple times here, a very concerted effort of propaganda that's made it to push really hard to make sure that, uh, truth, that obvious things aren't revealed.

01:15:29.220 It's been a while since, I'm sorry.

01:15:31.640 Oh no, go ahead.

01:15:32.580 I was going to say, it's been a while since I read the allegory of the cave, but I'm pretty sure this is what happens or, or Plato says it, or Socrates rather says that it's, it's, it's very likely that the person who exits the cave and then comes back and tells people where in the cave.

01:15:48.560 No one believes it, that just gets murdered.

01:15:49.760 Yeah.

01:15:49.920 Yeah.

01:15:50.180 They would get, they would be murdered because the truth would be so shocking and horrific to the, to the people that are only accustomed to seeing shadows that they would just react with anger and violence.

01:15:58.340 Sure.

01:15:58.740 So that's absolutely right.

01:16:01.600 Uh, KS here, uh, uh, for one 99. 0.69

01:16:05.240 Thank you very much.

01:16:05.920 Says, but what can we do about this other than complain?

01:16:09.400 It's a really good question, right?

01:16:10.840 A lot of people have this frustration.

01:16:12.820 What can they do?

01:16:13.760 Yeah.

01:16:14.040 Well, I, I, um, in my report, uh, I concluded by talking about this, like, sorry, just, I keep, I keep, uh, shilling my report.

01:16:22.360 Go for it.

01:16:22.680 That's why we're here, buddy.

01:16:23.360 But in conclusion, that's, that's what I get to is that basically we need to create, you're, you're already seeing the states kind of take action, which I think is where a lot of the really interesting stuff can happen right now.

01:16:35.920 Like you don't necessarily need control of the white house to start taking action.

01:16:39.500 Like you can actually start doing this now.

01:16:41.480 Uh, and I, I talk about stuff that we've seen in, in mainly in, in Texas and Florida, uh, that goes beyond this ridiculous, like, well, we just want our, uh, our, our, our girl sports free of dudes.

01:16:53.440 Like that's, you've already lost.

01:16:55.460 Like if, if that's the line in the sand that you're drawing, you've lost, like you, you, you've already been defeated.

01:17:01.500 But in, in Texas and Florida, you're seeing like, uh, in Texas, they're talking about investigating the off-brand usage and marketing of these drugs with regard to trans kids.

01:17:12.640 And in Florida, you, you've seen, uh, probably the most aggressive approach of any state in terms of taking on, uh, transgenderism as an ideology.

01:17:21.120 Um, but basically we need to create the legal infrastructure where it becomes impossible to like anyone who attempts to administer, uh, medical intervention for so-called trans youth, or even like anyone who attempts to administer it, uh, faces fines.

01:17:45.060 Uh, they lose their license to practice medicine or they go to jail or all three.

01:17:49.720 And the same has to, yes.

01:17:52.180 And the same has to go for clinics.

01:17:53.820 Like if clinics administer any aspect of these treatments, the ideally those clinics should also have, uh, their ability to do anything revoked, uh, and be open to legal liability.

01:18:07.840 And then even going even further and any organization or institution or individual or whatever that attempts to market these treatments to kids has also, has to be a lot of work.

01:18:19.720 We need to be open to, uh, legal liability.

01:18:22.240 Uh, I talk about this more, uh, in smarter words in terms, uh, and, and, and more detailed in the conclusion of my report, but basically it needs to be like lobotomies or something.

01:18:34.180 Like if you do, on the one hand, we regard it as, as quackery, as dangerous quackery.

01:18:38.740 And on the other hand, uh, it becomes functionally impossible to perform any of this stuff legally in the United States.

01:18:46.680 Um, and I mean, there are examples of this stuff, like obviously lobotomies, lobotomies are one.

01:18:51.540 Um, it wasn't so long ago that, uh, we had physicians and physicists who I always give this example, because I think it's, it's fascinating.

01:19:00.340 Um, accredited physicians and physicists believed that you could use radioactive radium to, uh, improve your sexual health.

01:19:08.780 So radium, um, it, most people know of, you know, radium girls, these women that would, um, lick these paintbrushes and then paint with this radioactive material that would go in the dark. 0.99

01:19:19.340 Uh, and, and they would have these horrible, um, what cancer obviously, but also their, their jaws would basically just deteriorate.

01:19:26.420 Um, well, we also, uh, gave women radium suppositories.

01:19:30.740 Um, and also we had these, these things called radio endocrinators, basically these credit card size things that we, men would be told to tuck them under their scrotum when they go to sleep and that it would improve their, their sexual performance.

01:19:45.620 All it did was sterilize them just like transgenderism. 1.00

01:19:48.380 Um, but for a time accredited physicians and physicists were pushing this stuff.

01:19:53.480 Now, if someone did that, they would not be allowed to practice medicine and they would probably go to jail.

01:19:58.700 And that's ultimately the end goal for me for transgenderism.

01:20:02.600 And there are concrete policy steps that we can do now, uh, which is again, why I wrote the report.

01:20:08.400 So.

01:20:09.180 Absolutely.

01:20:10.240 Uh, kids been here to help me out.

01:20:12.560 Uh, the, the name of the kid was cannon hidden.

01:20:15.000 Thank you very much.

01:20:15.740 Yeah.

01:20:15.960 So that was the, the kid who was killed a few years ago.

01:20:19.240 And then, um, uh, Mike Farron here says same with the grand inquisitor.

01:20:23.680 Yeah.

01:20:23.800 That's another great example.

01:20:25.300 Deska FC, the, uh, brothers to Mars of the great, the grand inquisitor, uh, death.

01:20:29.640 It doesn't matter if Christ comes back.

01:20:31.240 He has to hide the truth, uh, to kind of keep things going here.

01:20:34.620 Uh, one more super chat came up, uh, Alexandra. 0.97

01:20:39.940 Sorry, I'm going to butcher this.

01:20:41.840 Astrowaski, Astrowaski, uh, for 50 of whatever they have in Poland, uh, as a Polish, thank you very much.

01:20:48.920 As a Polish observer of American affairs, I wonder if Americans realize how far generations have pushed to their insanity.

01:20:56.240 People in my country simply don't believe me when I tell them what's happening.

01:20:59.820 Yeah.

01:20:59.980 It sounds like a horror story. 0.99

01:21:01.560 It sounds like an absolutely ridiculous made up thing. 0.95

01:21:04.620 Um, which is why I think so much of it, they get away with so much because who, who would believe this? 0.97

01:21:10.740 Right.

01:21:10.980 I think, I think your, your most fervent, uh, 1980s Southern Baptist grandma who was talking about the fire and brimstone that would follow could not have imagined, uh, us being where we are.

01:21:23.500 And so, yeah, it's very easy, uh, for, for that to, you know, to seem absolutely insane for people not to believe, which again is good.

01:21:32.000 That's why you have people like Pedro put these reports together, have the receipts so that when someone says, no, that's insane, there's no way you're making that up.

01:21:39.220 You can go right to it and you know the truth.

01:21:42.220 All right, guys, well, let's go ahead and wrap it up.

01:21:45.400 Once again, make sure to check out all of Pedro's stuff.

01:21:47.420 If you're new here, of course, make sure to subscribe again.

01:21:50.540 If you want to go ahead and check out, uh, the podcast, really appreciate that rating and that review.

01:21:56.720 And like I said, I should have a new piece up on the blaze here soon.

01:21:59.600 It may already be up while we've been talking.

01:22:01.080 I'm not sure I'll have to check here in a second.

01:22:03.020 Thanks everyone for coming by.

01:22:04.300 We had some great questions, great discussion.

01:22:06.560 And as always, I'll talk to you next time.

The Auron MacIntyre Show - December 15, 2022

The Transgender Leviathan ｜ Guest： Pedro Gonzalez ｜ 12⧸15⧸22

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