The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Trump Administration Fumbles the Epstein Scandal ｜ 7⧸7⧸25

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00:00:30.560 Hey, everybody. How's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:34.040 I am Oren McIntyre.

00:00:36.300 Sorry about the no camera today, but I'm a little under the weather.

00:00:40.840 Wanted to make sure that I could cough and slam my mute button without you guys having to watch me hack up all over the place.

00:00:47.060 But this was such a day packed full of news.

00:00:50.660 Such an amazing amount of things happened in just the last day or two that I couldn't really skip this one because it's super important.

00:00:57.600 So bear with me here.

00:01:00.000 I'm a little sick, but I think we can probably make it through this one together.

00:01:05.020 So obviously a lot of huge news has come out.

00:01:09.820 The number one thing that most people are currently focused on is the Jeffrey Epstein scandal.

00:01:17.420 We have heard over and over again from people in the Trump administration, Pam Bondi and Kash Patel, that there are documents, that they have evidence, that we are going to know what happened, that the secrets will finally be revealed.

00:01:34.600 We have heard this repeatedly.

00:01:36.600 And yet today we learned that the Department of Justice is saying with the FBI that ultimately they have found no lists.

00:01:47.140 There's never any evidence of blackmail by Jeffrey Epstein.

00:01:51.560 And of course, that Jeffrey Epstein was not murdered, that he did legitimately commit suicide.

00:01:58.640 Three things that a lot of people are extremely doubtful of.

00:02:02.080 I am one of these people.

00:02:03.540 And by the way, so are Pam Bondi and Kash Patel.

00:02:06.620 We'll be running down a number of videos of these guys before they were in the administration and once they were in the administration saying very specifically that they have this evidence, that they will be letting the truth come out.

00:02:21.620 And it's just kind of amazing that we're seeing this.

00:02:25.840 We'll dive deeper into all of that.

00:02:28.440 We're also going to talk about amnesty.

00:02:31.800 Donald Trump says a lot of things.

00:02:33.560 One of the things, you know, he said over and over again, I'm going to staple diploma or, you know, green cards to diplomas, that kind of thing.

00:02:40.440 Donald Trump, you know, I think the old saying is take him seriously, but not literally.

00:02:45.060 And I think generally that's good advice with Donald Trump.

00:02:47.760 However, one of the things that Donald Trump has said repeatedly is that he now in the last, you know, few weeks and maybe even months is that he has been talking to farmers and different people running hotels, hospitality, these kind of things, and that the foreign workers they have are just critical.

00:03:07.000 They're good people.

00:03:08.560 They're working so hard.

00:03:10.040 And so we have to find some way to bring them back in.

00:03:13.280 And we have to find some way to basically give them amnesty because they happen to be in these different areas.

00:03:19.680 Now, again, Donald Trump just talks quite a bit.

00:03:29.320 So you don't want to panic every time he does.

00:03:31.920 However, Charlie Kirk today has started to report that he is hearing that there are there's a big push for Donald Trump to do a bipartisan amnesty deal over these farm workers and these hospitality workers.

00:03:52.220 And, you know, this obviously comes on the heel of the on the of the big funding bill for deportations, for ICE, giving them a military style budget.

00:04:02.400 And the reason people promoted that was to get this job done.

00:04:06.920 Obviously, this included all of the people who were here illegally. 0.62

00:04:10.500 There was never some idea that this only applied to, like, the gangbangers or something you understand going after them first.

00:04:17.220 They're the most dangerous.

00:04:18.260 They're causing the most mayhem.

00:04:19.980 They're the easiest to justify publicly in the in the realm of public opinion.

00:04:24.440 I have spoken repeatedly that I think the strategy was a good one to start in this manner.

00:04:28.540 But the fear is always that it would stop there, that there would be some justification as to why we wouldn't end up getting rid of the people who were not supposed to be here.

00:04:40.000 We would come up with some excuse as to why we couldn't actually carry out the full deportations.

00:04:44.640 And the fact, again, this would be less concerning if Trump had not mentioned this multiple times.

00:04:49.500 Now, one of the good news things about Charlie Kirk is he's well plugged in to the Trump White House.

00:04:55.040 He's obviously got a lot of influence.

00:04:57.540 He's he's a big name.

00:04:59.100 No matter how you feel about him, he has a lot of sway.

00:05:01.340 And I think he's been doing some really good work on several issues.

00:05:04.500 Again, it's not been perfect, but he's come a long way in the last little bit.

00:05:08.780 And it's very clear that one of the reasons Charlie Kirk is reporting this is he is worried that Trump is actually being wooed.

00:05:15.600 If he didn't, you know, it's obvious that these people would be talking to Trump.

00:05:19.220 They, of course, are going to push for these things.

00:05:21.480 You know, that's not news that they would be lobbying Trump for this stuff.

00:05:25.000 But it would be news if Charlie Kirk is talking about it because he's perfectly aware of the dynamic.

00:05:30.380 And I don't think he'd be bringing it up if he didn't think that there was some kind of serious threat to there being, you know, people listening.

00:05:37.740 Now, the good news is, you know, Trump is very responsive to public opinion.

00:05:41.240 And we'll dive deeper into that in a second when we get to it.

00:05:44.320 But obviously, we need to address the possible amnesty issue.

00:05:48.100 And then finally, I want to talk a little bit about Elon's America Party.

00:05:51.860 I know I did an episode on it recently with the Prudentialist, but he has continued to push this.

00:05:58.140 He'll probably get bored with it soon.

00:05:59.780 He'll probably get bored and walk away.

00:06:01.140 But there are a number of arguments being made in support of Elon Musk's party.

00:06:08.160 And obviously, given the Trump administration's pretty rough weekend, obviously, they're a little more compelling than they have been previously.

00:06:15.500 But I still think that there are major holes in them.

00:06:18.040 And so we will go ahead and discuss that at length as well.

00:06:22.540 But let's begin with, obviously, the Jeffrey Epstein story.

00:06:26.520 I've queued up several videos, again, of Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, and Kash Patel.

00:06:33.740 Now, remember, Pam Bondi was not the first choice for Attorney General. 0.57

00:06:38.040 Matt Gaetz was the first choice for Attorney General.

00:06:41.840 Now, I know a lot of people find Matt Gaetz personally off-putting.

00:06:45.500 But one of the reasons that so many of these people were selected for what they were supposed to do is they were going to be very adversarial to the organizations they were running.

00:06:54.460 Trump did not want guys who were going to get in there and say, oh, I'm going to make my career inside the Department of Justice or I'm going to be FBI director for 12 years.

00:07:04.660 They wanted people who could step in, challenge the status quo, didn't care about burning their reputations because ultimately reputations with organizations that are completely dysfunctional is not useful.

00:07:14.920 And, you know, Matt Gaetz was someone who was considered to be, while he had many other, you know, possible personal issues, was somebody who did not owe the deep state anything because they hated him, right?

00:07:28.500 That ultimately he was too brash.

00:07:31.740 He was too uncontrollable.

00:07:33.540 He was on the wrong side of a lot of issues that make you popular in Washington, D.C.

00:07:37.440 This is one of the reasons that he was targeted the way he was, but ultimately he got driven away from that position and Pam Bondi stepped in.

00:07:46.900 Now, I've been aware of Pam Bondi for a long time.

00:07:49.060 I was actually working for a congressman in Tampa back when she was an attorney.

00:07:54.220 I believe she was either the city's attorney or a district attorney around there somewhere.

00:08:00.060 She would show up to the meetings that I would also attend and I would speak at when I was working that job.

00:08:05.780 So, I mean, I don't know her personally.

00:08:07.880 I haven't sat down to dinner with her anywhere, but I'm relatively familiar with her.

00:08:12.200 And, you know, it's pretty concerning the way that she has ultimately handled this.

00:08:17.760 Again, when we see what she has said previously, you will understand why people are questioning the validity of this.

00:08:24.680 It would be one thing if all of these guys had said, well, we're not sure what's going on.

00:08:29.120 We don't know if there's an issue.

00:08:30.520 But if we get into office, we're going to just put everything on the table so everyone can see it, right?

00:08:35.780 That would have been one thing.

00:08:37.300 But what instead we've heard from these people over and over again is, no, like there is a real problem.

00:08:42.720 Jeffrey Epstein was trafficking people.

00:08:44.920 We have the evidence.

00:08:46.020 They've both said this over and over again.

00:08:47.940 And as soon as we get into office, we're going to blow the lid off of this.

00:08:50.800 So when you build your entire identity in running these organizations as like truth tellers and transparent and you're going to get in there and clean out house, especially when the trust in government and rule of law is so low, obviously you need to get in there.

00:09:06.280 And if you if you're going to maintain the same system, you've got to have radical reform.

00:09:10.880 And that's what all of these people promised.

00:09:12.580 And now that they're in, we're seeing actually maybe we're not getting any of that.

00:09:17.200 Now, there could be the off chance that Jeffrey Epstein just happened to not actually have any evidence against him.

00:09:25.020 I mean, to be fair, there was a reason that they delayed this prosecution as long as they did.

00:09:30.020 Or I should say the unveiling as long as they did, because ultimately a number of people were probably trying to destroy evidence.

00:09:38.740 But it seems very unlikely that they got to all of it, especially after we were promised specifically by many of the actors in the Trump administration that this evidence was still in their possession.

00:09:49.420 So let's go to the tape.

00:09:51.120 So, you know, I'm not just making any of this up.

00:09:53.040 Here is Pam Bondi.

00:09:55.220 Review.

00:09:56.380 That's been a directive by President Trump.

00:09:59.120 I'm reviewing that.

00:09:59.840 I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files.

00:10:02.900 That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies.

00:10:08.580 So have you seen anything that you said, oh, my gosh?

00:10:12.300 Not yet.

00:10:13.900 All right.

00:10:14.500 So in this clip, she says she has the Epstein client list on her death.

00:10:20.040 Right.

00:10:20.520 Like that.

00:10:20.900 Like I have this.

00:10:22.340 It's there to review.

00:10:23.960 Now, that's a weird thing to say if you don't have it.

00:10:28.160 That's a very strange thing to say if you don't have it or if you just haven't looked at it at all.

00:10:34.220 Now, to be fair, at the end of this clip, she says, no, I haven't seen anything that like blew my mind yet.

00:10:38.900 Okay.

00:10:39.260 But still, you don't say you have a client list that you later say doesn't exist.

00:10:44.040 Either you had it or you didn't.

00:10:45.320 And there's no way it was just sitting on your desk, but you just hadn't got around to it.

00:10:49.560 Like, I understand you're busy.

00:10:50.940 You are the attorney general of the United States.

00:10:53.280 Very busy position.

00:10:54.300 But I'm sorry.

00:10:55.760 Like, if I was elected or if I was appointed the AG tomorrow and I walked in the office, the first thing I do would sprint to the desk and throw open the Epstein file and figure out what the heck is going on.

00:11:07.000 Right.

00:11:07.500 Like, no sane person is just going to not check that out if it's sitting on your desk.

00:11:12.600 And yet we get this one saying, oh, well, we would have it.

00:11:16.360 Now, I see some people in chat saying Trump is on the list.

00:11:18.620 Now, we do know Trump is on the phone book list, right, for sure.

00:11:23.320 But if you're claiming that he's on the client list, okay, but then there's zero chance these people would have built their entire personas on revealing this list.

00:11:35.280 Right.

00:11:35.420 Like, at some point, I can't, I mean, unless this is just the most insane level of ineptitude and lack of communication any administration has ever had in history.

00:11:44.700 If that's true, like, if you really think the worst of Donald Trump and you think that he was like buy-in kids from Jeffrey Epstein, then why would his administration officials build their reputations on going after this?

00:11:58.260 I mean, at some point, someone would have sat them down and said, hey, Cash, I know you talked about this a number of times in the past.

00:12:04.420 Hey, Pam, I know you talked about this a number of times in the past, but we don't talk about it anymore because the big guy is on the list.

00:12:10.200 Right. Like, even if you're attributing the most nefarious motives to the Trump administration, just basic logic would say, okay, no, someone is going to sit these people down and say, shut up about this.

00:12:20.640 Stop trying to make a big deal out of it.

00:12:22.420 And yet here we are.

00:12:23.620 So, again, very puzzling, very puzzling.

00:12:25.700 But here's some more Pam Bondi.

00:12:28.200 Domestic terrorists, yet they're saying nothing about this. 0.58

00:12:31.760 And these documents were so slow to come out.

00:12:35.280 Human trafficking is a multi-billion dollar business in this country.

00:12:40.240 And Jeffrey Epstein is dead.

00:12:42.420 And Ghirlane Maxwell is in prison for 20 years where she belongs. 0.98

00:12:47.080 And if people in that report are still fighting to keep their names private, Sean,

00:12:51.440 they have no legal basis to do so unless they're a child, a victim, or a cooperating defendant by some chance against some potential case against Ghirlane Maxwell.

00:13:02.660 And I think Mark Garagos, as a great criminal defense attorney, will back that up as well.

00:13:08.120 So here, you know, Pam Bondi makes our case pretty clearly, right?

00:13:11.740 The case that pretty much everyone who had been suspicious about the handling of the Epstein scandal, she says, look, Epstein's dead.

00:13:22.720 Maxwell's in jail.

00:13:24.220 There shouldn't be any issue in releasing this unless you are implicated in this.

00:13:29.700 All right.

00:13:30.280 She says that very directly.

00:13:32.040 There is zero reason we would put this out unless you are somehow implicated by the evidence there.

00:13:39.940 She clearly believes the evidence exists.

00:13:42.040 She says it's very serious.

00:13:43.200 She's attacking the previous administration for not taking it seriously.

00:13:46.980 So that's a lot of conviction.

00:13:48.740 That's a lot of campaigning.

00:13:50.000 That's a lot of, you know, hard rhetoric that seems like a pretty accurate description of the only reason why you would not put this information forward.

00:14:01.340 And yet, here we are.

00:14:02.940 And she has said, oh, there is no list.

00:14:05.640 There is no blackmail.

00:14:07.640 But we just don't have anything.

00:14:09.340 Again, good reason for people asking a lot of questions.

00:14:12.800 Here is Cash Patel.

00:14:14.200 This morning about that.

00:14:15.400 I got to get to that.

00:14:16.380 You say that the FBI has Epstein's list.

00:14:19.440 They're sitting on it.

00:14:20.540 That doesn't seem like something you should do.

00:14:22.340 You're protecting the world's foremost predator.

00:14:24.360 That seems like an evil thing to do, regardless of who may be embarrassed in the release of that list.

00:14:29.340 Why is the FBI protecting the greatest pederast, the largest scale pederast in human history?

00:14:36.020 Simple.

00:14:36.440 Because of who's on that list.

00:14:37.880 You don't think that Bill Gates is lobbying Congress night and day to prevent the disclosure of that list?

00:14:43.760 And why is it that the Senate, you know, and good for Senator Blackburn to try to get it out.

00:14:48.800 But then Dick Turbin comes over the top and says, no, we're not going to release the names.

00:14:52.980 I don't care about the list itself, but he released the names, right?

00:14:56.040 What the hell are the House Republicans doing?

00:14:58.260 They have the majority.

00:14:59.760 You can't get the list.

00:15:01.360 You're going to accept Dick Turbin's word or whoever that guy is as to who is on that list and who isn't.

00:15:07.040 And that can and can't be released.

00:15:08.800 Put on your big boy.

00:15:09.820 So Cash is making an excellent point here.

00:15:12.640 We'll continue with it in a second.

00:15:13.660 But I just want to stop because, you know, Cash is making an excellent point against himself here.

00:15:18.100 He clearly says the FBI has this little black book.

00:15:21.380 We know that they have it, right?

00:15:24.000 That's why one of the reasons Cash is going into the FBI is to clean it up, to get rid of this corruption, to deal with this.

00:15:31.200 And he says, why wouldn't the Republicans, if they have the ability to bring this to the floor, why would they not do it?

00:15:36.320 Why are they so corrupt?

00:15:37.460 How could you possibly not do this?

00:15:39.680 The people deserve to know, which is a really good point.

00:15:42.960 So Cash, why aren't you doing this?

00:15:46.300 The people deserve to know.

00:15:47.780 And I'm sorry, the like, well, we found out there's just nothing there.

00:15:53.360 That just doesn't fly.

00:15:55.060 I'm sorry.

00:15:55.580 I will.

00:15:56.940 I will.

00:15:58.100 I want to say I'm not deeply invested in the Jeffrey Epstein scandal.

00:16:04.940 A lot of people are.

00:16:06.600 There are a lot of people who draw a lot of really interesting connections.

00:16:10.400 And rightly so.

00:16:11.720 Daryl Cooper did a great job.

00:16:13.560 It's like a five-hour podcast breaking down the entire Jeffrey Epstein saga with a lot of very believable connections there.

00:16:24.280 And, you know, I am famous for a meme, right?

00:16:27.380 I'm famous for tapping a sign that says, you know, it's not rocket science.

00:16:32.000 These people are evil and they just want to diddle kids. 0.99

00:16:34.840 You know, the reason that this case means so much to people is that for many years they were told that you are crazy, just crazy. 1.00

00:16:42.680 You're a crazy conspiracy theorist for believing that our government is run by corrupt people who use children as sexual currency. 0.99

00:16:53.120 And that's just like now obviously true, right? 1.00

00:16:55.780 We get all these Hollywood rings that blow up.

00:16:58.880 You get the P. Diddy and that kind of stuff.

00:17:00.840 We get the Jeffrey Epstein stuff.

00:17:02.900 It's just super clear that, you know, maybe this isn't everything.

00:17:06.900 Maybe this isn't like the one central council that controls the government through, you know, but there is some truth to the fact, obviously, that people are being blackmailed.

00:17:16.900 It's just very clear.

00:17:19.760 And Kash Patel obviously believes this and is demanding that the Congress compel, the House Republicans compel these files to be made public.

00:17:31.340 And yet we get nothing.

00:17:32.740 Why are we not getting the name, says Kash?

00:17:35.000 And yet today we get there are no names.

00:17:37.800 There never were any names.

00:17:38.840 Boy pants and let us know who the pedophiles are. 1.00

00:17:42.180 We have an election coming up and we need to adjudicate this matter at the polls.

00:17:46.140 God knows the FBI and DOJ aren't going to do anything.

00:17:48.900 But how are you going to reward the FBI with a new headquarters building after their illegal surveillance on Donald Trump continues with a reauthorization of FISA and we can't even get basic documents out?

00:17:59.560 This is why America hates Congress. 0.63

00:18:01.400 And this is why I'm tired of the Republican majority saying they're going to get the job done.

00:18:07.120 Again, yes, Kash, this is why Americans hate Congress.

00:18:11.740 And you were right at that time to be tired of the Republicans coming up for excuses as to why they can't get the job done.

00:18:20.040 But here we are with zero explanation, zero explanation.

00:18:24.480 You could come to me and say, look, Oren, obviously I was on the outside of this.

00:18:31.400 It looks really suspicious.

00:18:33.260 And here are some of the connections we do know are real, but it's not as deep as we thought.

00:18:38.400 And here are the reasons why I will lay them out for you.

00:18:42.200 I would still be skeptical of that explanation, but at least you would be making an effort to provide an explanation.

00:18:49.840 Right.

00:18:50.300 At least there would be some effort to get out there and say, OK, when I was outside of the room, I did not understand this issue.

00:18:57.060 I am inside of the room now.

00:18:58.260 Now I'm explaining to you and here are the facts that bring forward why we think that this isn't a larger conspiracy or we can't pursue it or something, anything, any explanation besides it just never existed.

00:19:10.460 Like, I'm sorry, you cannot sit here like either Kash Patel knew what he was talking about to some extent or he didn't.

00:19:17.000 Either Pam Bondi knew what she was talking about or she didn't.

00:19:20.760 And if neither of them had any clue what they were talking about when it came to the Epstein files, why the heck were they put in positions of power?

00:19:28.260 Why?

00:19:29.060 If they knew what they were talking about, then why are they here doing this?

00:19:34.180 Why were they selected for this?

00:19:36.740 Right.

00:19:37.220 It makes no sense.

00:19:38.940 Again, there are scenarios where you could explain to me rationally why there is no further line of pursuit.

00:19:45.540 Heck, even the Democrats destroyed all of it or like the FBI destroyed all of it before we got to them.

00:19:50.360 And we're going to go arrest people and put them in jail for 20 years for destroying evidence.

00:19:55.080 We can't get it back.

00:19:56.240 So we can't go after Epstein as accusers.

00:19:58.000 But here are 10 agents we're putting in jail for doing this.

00:20:00.740 It would still look like a patsy thing, but at least it's something.

00:20:04.260 It's the lack of effort in this cover up that is so disheartening.

00:20:08.360 It's like they can't even bother to come up with a logical explanation for why we are doing this.

00:20:18.020 It's kind of insane.

00:20:19.880 Right.

00:20:19.980 Like, who thought this was going to just fly under the radar?

00:20:23.960 Who thought that this was going to just have no impact?

00:20:28.160 Again, I don't want this entire presidency to be about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:20:33.180 I my main, you know, my main goal is deportation.

00:20:37.480 My main goal is saving this country for the people who live here now. 1.00

00:20:41.700 But, man, I'm sorry, I'm not just going to turn my blind eye to child abuse and sexual trafficking to some of the most important people in the United States and in the globe.

00:20:52.920 And I'm certainly not going to sit here and just blindly trust two people who built their entire identity in their roles on unveiling this information and are now pretending it just doesn't exist.

00:21:05.940 Here's the last video.

00:21:06.900 If there was a video of some guy or gal committing felonies on an island and I'm in charge, don't you think you'd see it?

00:21:15.460 Tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn.

00:21:23.220 And there are hundreds of victims and no one victim will ever get released.

00:21:29.320 It's just the volume.

00:21:30.340 And that's what they're going through right now.

00:21:32.060 The FBI is diligently going.

00:21:34.220 All right, so Pam Bondi here, just live on camera, right?

00:21:39.340 She says, you can't get out of this.

00:21:41.660 You can't just walk this back.

00:21:43.440 OK, the video evidence is there, guys.

00:21:45.780 You can't just lie about this.

00:21:47.520 It's infuriating.

00:21:48.720 Like, obviously, you're saying there are just hours upon hours upon hours of Jeffrey Epstein, you know, victimizing people, collecting CP, all kinds of terrible, terrible stuff.

00:22:01.680 Right. Just horrible. There's so many victims.

00:22:04.700 Right. And I know all the victims aren't going to come out because there's too much and we don't want to hurt these people further.

00:22:10.820 But obviously, they were victimized by someone.

00:22:14.900 Jeffrey Epstein wasn't just like collecting these girls for the heck of it.

00:22:19.380 If he wanted to do that, he wouldn't need as many of them as he had.

00:22:22.120 Like, these girls are going to someone. 0.95

00:22:24.600 He is collecting this for someone.

00:22:27.640 And Pam Bondi obviously believes that and says, we have everything.

00:22:31.200 We have everything.

00:22:32.680 Right.

00:22:32.940 We have all of this.

00:22:35.180 So.

00:22:36.520 Pam Bondi, I'm sorry, there's just no way around this.

00:22:39.160 Pam Bondi is either lying now or she was lying then. 0.90

00:22:43.800 But she has to be a liar.

00:22:46.560 I'm sorry. 0.92

00:22:47.440 Like, I don't like friendly fire.

00:22:49.800 I don't like going after people who are ostensibly on my side.

00:22:55.220 I want the Trump administration to succeed at the goals it has set out and to better America.

00:23:02.960 But when you are sitting here, having said directly, I've got the list on my desk.

00:23:09.620 We've got the files.

00:23:11.080 We've got the computer files.

00:23:15.040 We've got the documents.

00:23:16.240 We've got it all.

00:23:17.400 We've got Epstein abusing people.

00:23:18.900 We've got the victims.

00:23:20.180 We've got it all on tape.

00:23:21.900 And then you tell me, oh, it's just all gone.

00:23:26.980 No, it's not.

00:23:28.680 No, it's not.

00:23:29.480 Or it never existed.

00:23:30.320 And it has to be one of the two.

00:23:31.780 It has to be one of the two.

00:23:33.320 So you were lying then or you are lying now.

00:23:36.220 But either way, you should not be in office.

00:23:39.220 You should not be in power.

00:23:40.720 You just shouldn't.

00:23:42.060 And again, I would rather not be doing friendly fire here.

00:23:45.100 But there is just no explanation for this that has any sense.

00:23:50.100 If they wanted to make the argument again, I am not irrational on this.

00:23:56.060 I am not invested deeply in the conspiracy.

00:23:59.080 If you could come to me and lay out here is, you know, the evidence was destroyed by these

00:24:04.860 FBI agents were going after them or the evidence was overblown by these people.

00:24:09.160 But here are the connections that really matter.

00:24:10.760 And we are going to prosecute the limited number of people that we had.

00:24:15.440 No, Epstein didn't have the degree of control that many people purported to him.

00:24:19.380 But here are the things that we can prove and we're going to take action.

00:24:22.260 At least that would be a narrative.

00:24:25.100 At least we would have put some effort into this.

00:24:28.180 But we can tell side by side over and over again that Kash Patel and Pam Bundy said one thing and are now saying something completely opposite that cannot be reconciled without some kind of explanation.

00:24:44.940 And we are just getting nothing.

00:24:46.560 We're just getting absolutely nothing.

00:24:48.300 And this is absolutely terrible.

00:24:51.160 Now, again, I'm not the Epstein aficionado.

00:24:56.020 If you want to get a deep dive into it, I again suggest Daryl Cooper's series on this.

00:25:02.380 You can love or hate Daryl, but you owe it to yourself to get the information available there.

00:25:08.700 And even if you don't know anything else about Epstein, like even if we can't prove every aspect of what Epstein is accused of, we do know for a fact that Jeffrey Epstein, who was often described as like this money manager.

00:25:26.260 He like moved funds around for people.

00:25:28.320 And even though like he didn't really have the requisite skill or the requisite qualification, he's this tax genius that is hiding all this.

00:25:36.900 And then a lot of people point out that actually this guy like collects young girls and probably traffics them and that he's probably attached to some kind of intelligence agency.

00:25:46.460 Now, a lot of people speculate that that intelligence agency is Israel's the Mossad.

00:25:51.440 And that's entirely possible.

00:25:53.680 Of course, don't forget that the, you know, sexual blackmail is a classic intelligence play, right?

00:26:01.560 The honeypot is a classic intelligence play across the board.

00:26:05.780 Yes, the Mossad uses it, but so does everyone else.

00:26:08.800 Mossad may be more than some, but everyone uses it.

00:26:12.020 But what it means for sure is that Epstein was probably involved at some level in both, yes, the money managing, but also this trafficking of women to powerful people.

00:26:24.940 We also know for sure, this is, this is not contested, that he was arrested in Florida.

00:26:31.720 He was proven in court to have raped two teenagers and groomed additional teenagers, including one as young as 14.

00:26:40.360 We're talking about a guy who was in Florida, picked up these, these girls, paid them to go and recruit other young, you know, teenage women.

00:26:52.140 And if they, they, they, they, they report that at one point they brought in a 23 year old and he said, no, no, no, too old, too old.

00:26:58.300 Right.

00:26:58.540 So this is a guy who is most certainly looking specifically for women who are under a certain age and are going to, you know, incriminate the people that he involves.

00:27:12.500 And again, that's the point of these operations, these intelligence operations are designed specifically to cater to the sexual whims of people who are powerful.

00:27:22.200 And if they are exposed, it will destroy their lives.

00:27:25.560 And so you make sure that you offer them something that will destroy them ultimately.

00:27:31.920 And so they absolutely have to do what you say.

00:27:34.660 Right now, Epstein, despite being busted for raping two minors and trafficking and grooming multiple other minors, he gets a year and a half, most of which is done.

00:27:49.140 And on, uh, on, uh, you know, home imprisonment, right?

00:27:53.180 Like he, he's, uh, he's allowed to stay in a home.

00:27:57.420 He doesn't have to go, uh, to, to prison, doesn't have to go to jail.

00:28:00.900 Uh, uh, uh, and, and so he's getting nothing, right?

00:28:05.660 He's getting barely a slap on the wrist for, uh, this behavior.

00:28:09.740 And the prosecutor in Florida is on record saying he was told to give this guy, thank you, house arrest.

00:28:16.520 I don't know why I couldn't, uh, you know, again, under the weather, uh, having a hard time with the cognitive faculties.

00:28:21.940 Uh, but this guy is, um, you know, this guy is given a slap on the wrist for some of the most heinous crimes.

00:28:30.280 That you can possibly commit nothing.

00:28:34.520 He gets, he gets nothing.

00:28:35.760 And he's told specifically, uh, the prosecutor's told specifically, you need to give, uh, this guy, this sweetheart deal because he is owned by intelligence.

00:28:45.780 Right.

00:28:46.320 This is point blank told to him.

00:28:48.180 Like we, uh, you know, he, he's an intelligence asset and that's why you need to go ahead and give him this sweetheart deal.

00:28:56.180 So this isn't like some weird speculation.

00:28:58.820 This isn't like tinfoil, Alex Jones.

00:29:01.560 Oh my gosh.

00:29:02.340 Though Alex Jones, you know, often more, uh, correct than people would like to admit.

00:29:08.280 Uh, but we're talking about a scenario where, uh, you know, this is not some crazy idea.

00:29:13.960 We, we have the evidence.

00:29:15.100 We know that there's, you know, really clients, that there are really, uh, victims, uh, that there is really intelligence, uh, involved.

00:29:24.100 And clearly Kash Patel and Pam Bondi believed that before they didn't believe it.

00:29:29.380 And at the very least, I think we're owed a very clear explanation as to why that opinion conveniently pivoted.

00:29:36.040 Now, I'd also like to remind you that Palm bit, uh, that, uh, Pam Bondi did this big influencer event, right? 0.73

00:29:47.480 One of the things that the administration was doing, which I appreciate ultimately is going around the mainstream media.

00:29:54.720 Uh, and so they said, oh, okay, well, we're going to bring in a bunch of internet influencers, right-wing influencers, uh, people like Liz Wheeler and Jack Posobiec and, uh, uh, Mike Cernovich.

00:30:05.600 We're going to bring them in and we're going to hand them the Epstein files. 0.92

00:30:08.760 This is Epstein files release one.

00:30:10.620 We might, we might need to release multiple, uh, you know, truncheons of this.

00:30:15.900 Uh, we, we, we, we can't clear all of it at once, but we are going to give you new information.

00:30:22.200 Big deal.

00:30:23.080 Everyone's super hyped.

00:30:24.040 They show up nothing.

00:30:26.920 It's just a folder with all the information.

00:30:29.100 Everyone already knew, no new information, nothing released, nothing, uh, just, just binders with paper that we already knew existed and nothing else.

00:30:40.820 And they receive no explanation for this.

00:30:43.040 No explanation as to what is going on.

00:30:48.620 Again, if you do not have the evidence, if you do not have the evidence,

00:30:53.520 why are you building your reputation on having it?

00:31:00.200 People are going to know that you don't have it.

00:31:02.720 It's going to become clear that you don't have it.

00:31:05.380 So at some point it would have made sense. 0.89

00:31:08.220 Like, like, like how stupid did they think people were like, they thought that just your favorite, uh, you know, influencer was going to show up, get a binder and then say, Hey, it's everything we already knew. 0.92

00:31:19.380 And you're like, Oh, cool. 0.99

00:31:20.240 Great.

00:31:20.580 Glad you gave it to the people I like moving on.

00:31:23.060 It's just insane.

00:31:25.740 It's insane.

00:31:26.280 It was never going to work.

00:31:27.760 The idea that this was somehow going to pull them out of this problem was already insane.

00:31:33.960 And look, I'll close by just saying this here.

00:31:36.180 And, and I prefer not to say this, but I can't, it can't go unsaid.

00:31:39.980 It just can't go unsaid.

00:31:40.960 So, so let's talk about it.

00:31:44.120 I would like to never believe that are in our foreign policy is influenced by any of this stuff that our government is influenced by this stuff.

00:31:53.480 However, we just bombed Iran. 0.98

00:31:57.320 We just bombed Iran very clearly because Israel needed us to Israel started a war without us. 0.91

00:32:03.780 They didn't get our consent and we bombed Iran on their behalf anyway, after they told us they can handle it on their own. 1.00

00:32:09.240 And right after we bombed them, just a few weeks later, we suddenly don't have any Epstein files. 0.87

00:32:19.720 Whoops.

00:32:20.520 Right.

00:32:22.420 Who knows?

00:32:23.420 Right.

00:32:23.640 At this point, I would hate to believe that these things are connected at all, but how, how can you not?

00:32:29.660 How can you look at this and say, well, I don't know.

00:32:33.460 Probably crazy to think there's anything connected to this.

00:32:36.000 Again, would love to believe anything else, but I've been given no explanation by the administration, no explanation from Bondi, no explanation from Kash Patel.

00:32:47.300 Frankly, no explanation from Dan Bongino, who I like, who's been very kind to me, who I respect.

00:32:53.700 But I, I need to know what's going on guys.

00:32:56.660 I need to know what's going on right now.

00:32:59.360 Like you're, are we transparent or not?

00:33:01.800 Are you clearing out the swamp or not?

00:33:03.480 Are you reforming these institutions or not?

00:33:06.740 Because right now it looks like you're not, it looks like you actually have no interest in doing that.

00:33:12.540 Because if you did, I would at the very least get an explanation as to what is happening here.

00:33:18.720 Okay.

00:33:19.120 Again, I don't want to attack people on our side.

00:33:23.440 I do not want people who I think ultimately were put in these positions because of their adversarial nature to the establishment.

00:33:35.060 I don't want to think that they got eaten up and spit out by this machine.

00:33:39.640 But you need to show me that's not the case.

00:33:41.320 My trust was a few miles back.

00:33:44.860 So now you got to earn it again.

00:33:47.700 Uh, and there's just no excuse for not going out there and making this case again.

00:33:53.920 I am not deeply invested in this conspiracy theory, quote unquote.

00:33:58.540 I don't need this to explain everything that happens in the United States.

00:34:01.840 But if you cannot offer me an explanation as to why these two people who are clearly deeply convicted about the fact that Jeffrey Epstein had clients, that he did blackmail people, and in many cases that he did not kill himself.

00:34:17.900 If you are people who built your reputation on this, and now you're coming to me and saying, actually, none of that stuff exists, even though I literally pointed it out to you, it's just insane.

00:34:32.740 Sorry, guys, the, uh, the cold is catching up with me here.

00:34:43.660 So I want to present this real quick from, uh, Connor Boyack.

00:34:47.160 He's actually been on the show before.

00:34:49.640 I interviewed him previously.

00:34:51.100 He's, uh, one of the guys, uh, I think he runs, I want to say the Veritas Institute.

00:34:56.360 And he, um, uh, he's the author of those Tuttle twin books.

00:35:00.220 Uh, but he made a good post on, uh, Twitter.

00:35:03.820 And so I'm just going to show it really quick here.

00:35:11.800 No, he said, uh, you know, he lays out the timeline here, right?

00:35:14.580 He says, all right, we got, uh, we've got, uh, February 21st of 2025.

00:35:22.720 Bondi says Epstein files are on her desk under review per Trump's directive.

00:35:27.440 Again, I I'll believe she didn't see everything in the file, but you're telling me she didn't

00:35:31.740 see anything in the file before she made that commitment that when she said, I've got the

00:35:37.280 Epstein files on my desk, she hadn't snuck a peek and would have known whether there was

00:35:41.720 substance to them or not on some level.

00:35:44.860 February 26th announces files, including flight logs and names to be released.

00:35:50.160 27th sites, victims privacy for delays.

00:35:53.160 27th releases phase one files.

00:35:57.260 This is the influencer dump, um, 200, 2000 plus page or 200 plus pages, mostly public hands

00:36:04.020 a binder to influencers, accuses FBI of withholding thousands of documents.

00:36:07.640 So Pam Bondi saying, it's not my fault.

00:36:09.780 It's the FBI, the FBI offices have it.

00:36:12.280 They're the ones that are obstructing justice.

00:36:14.380 We need them to comply.

00:36:16.340 All right.

00:36:17.100 I can believe that the administrative state is fighting you on this.

00:36:20.320 Okay.

00:36:20.840 So what are we doing next?

00:36:23.880 February 28th demands FBI deliver all Epstein files by 8am orders probe into withheld documents.

00:36:31.000 Okay.

00:36:31.280 Some action.

00:36:31.860 Great.

00:36:32.980 March 2nd claims that the FBI misled her says she now has thousands of pages under review.

00:36:38.820 Official who withheld docs is fired.

00:36:40.760 Okay.

00:36:41.160 So the FBI is withholding this evidence.

00:36:43.520 The people who withheld it get fired.

00:36:45.320 Good accountability.

00:36:46.240 That's what we're looking for, right?

00:36:47.400 If these people are withholding documents, clearly documents say something.

00:36:51.900 They're not just fighting the Trump administration because they're just pages that don't have any revelations on them.

00:36:57.740 So if you're withholding these documents as an FBI agent because you're trying to cover something up, there's got to be a there there, right?

00:37:06.440 Uh, then on March 14th says she received a truckload of unreleased documents, no release times given.

00:37:15.760 April 28th, April 28th, covertly recorded, uh, saying the FBI reviews tens of thousands of Epstein videos with children.

00:37:24.480 May 7th publicly states the FBI is reviewing tens of thousands of videos, denies files are missing, cites victim protection.

00:37:32.040 Okay.

00:37:32.640 So again, we have the scenario where she says multiple times, both before she's in the position and once, uh, she's in office, uh, once she's been appointed that she has the documents, they were being withheld by the FBI.

00:37:46.760 They fired the people who were withholding them.

00:37:49.600 Uh, there, there are videos, tens of thousands of videos.

00:37:54.340 Uh, the files aren't missing, uh, but we have to be careful with the victim's identities.

00:38:00.880 Okay.

00:38:01.900 Uh, that's fine.

00:38:04.180 But what's going on here?

00:38:05.840 These victims were victimized by someone like Maxwell is in jail for a reason.

00:38:12.240 Now, a lot of people point out, okay, well, she was involved in directly abusing these, uh, underage girls with, uh, Epstein and that's the core of her charge. 0.97

00:38:22.460 Okay.

00:38:22.820 But like, she's obviously got a wider network going on.

00:38:27.140 That's very clear.

00:38:28.300 Now I get it when you're in a business like this, you probably don't write everything down, but if they have tens of thousands of videos of Epstein involved with children, they've got videos of involved with someone else.

00:38:41.840 Okay.

00:38:42.560 Come on.

00:38:43.500 What are we supposed to believe here?

00:38:45.680 And so we, we, we just look at this timeline and again, it's, it's just very damning.

00:38:50.120 It's very damning.

00:38:51.100 We, we need significant explanations as to what is happening here because this is just unacceptable.

00:38:57.040 Uh, and again, I don't want this to be the center of the administration.

00:39:00.760 This is not how I, you know, value.

00:39:04.380 I don't just value the administration because it was going after Epstein.

00:39:07.080 Uh, you know, there, there are more important issues ultimately that I hope they address, but this is a big one guys.

00:39:13.160 Like this is a big one for your integrity.

00:39:14.920 It might not be a big one for your, uh, overall policy goals, but this is critical for your base to believe you.

00:39:22.080 This is critical for the people who supported you to believe you.

00:39:25.380 And when we see stuff like this over and over again, it's very concerning.

00:39:30.060 It's extremely concerning.

00:39:31.400 And if you think there are conspiracy theories before, oh boy, let me tell you, it's only going to get worse.

00:39:44.620 All right.

00:39:45.240 So onto the next issue.

00:39:47.020 Like I said, uh, unfortunately, uh, Charlie Kirk is reporting that, uh, Donald Trump is receiving significant lobbying efforts to, uh, impose a bipartisan amnesty plan for farm and hospitality workers.

00:40:02.920 Now, again, this would probably not be as concerning except Trump has floated this plan on a regular basis.

00:40:08.760 Normally, if we get just Trump talking about something completely disembodied and it's probably not a big deal.

00:40:14.260 So you can kind of push them off of it if you get just the administration and some of the, um, you know, more hostile elements in it to us, you know, going around and trying to push something.

00:40:26.080 Okay, fine.

00:40:27.480 Uh, they, they do that, but ultimately you're probably not in a, in a big, uh, problem.

00:40:32.860 But when you have both, when you have Trump talking about repeatedly, Hey, uh, maybe we should give amnesty to these people.

00:40:40.000 It's, you know, it's mean to throw them out.

00:40:41.600 It's so rough.

00:40:42.780 Uh, you know, they work hard, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:40:45.120 We need the workers.

00:40:47.260 And on top of that, we hear from, uh, Charlie Kirk that he's being lobbied this way.

00:40:52.820 That is very concerning.

00:40:53.800 Cause again, Charlie Kirk is very plugged into the administration.

00:40:56.340 He's very aware of what's going on.

00:40:58.320 He knows Charlie Kirk knows that if Donald Trump does this, if Donald Trump pulls a Ronald Reagan, that will be his legacy.

00:41:05.480 It won't matter what else he did.

00:41:08.500 If Donald Trump Reagan amnesty is a large chunk.

00:41:11.760 And let's be clear, you're going to end up, if this is going to turn into millions of people, because it's not just going to be, uh, you know, the workers, it's going to be their families.

00:41:20.620 It's going to be their families, families.

00:41:22.440 You're going to chain migrate all these people. 0.88

00:41:24.400 And we always do.

00:41:25.400 We always do.

00:41:26.500 It's never just the number of people they say it is.

00:41:29.980 It's always triple, quadruple, even more what they're talking about.

00:41:35.020 And Charlie Kirk knows that if Donald Trump does this, if he actually bites this bullet, he will destroy MAGA.

00:41:41.540 He'll blow it up because there are other issues people will fudge on.

00:41:45.720 Even when it comes to war, even though most people don't want to go to war, they'll put up with the bombing of Iran or something because the deportations, taking back the country, removing illegals is the promise. 1.00

00:41:58.960 It's the core promise.

00:42:01.360 It's the one he got support for.

00:42:03.560 It's the one people care about.

00:42:05.320 Now, again, I don't think Trump administration gets enough credit for reducing illegal entries to virtually zero.

00:42:12.040 We have illegal entries that are lower than basically like anytime we've recorded them in a long time.

00:42:18.140 He's done a tremendous amount of work on that and should get more credit than he does for that.

00:42:23.160 But that is not enough because the Biden administration brought in at least 10 million people, let's be honest, just during that term.

00:42:32.180 And there were at least another, you know, 20, maybe 30 million people already here.

00:42:36.120 So if you are not encouraging, and I've said this many times, you're not going to mass deport every illegal immigrant, but you make it hostile for them to be here. 1.00

00:42:46.240 You do that by having remittance taxes, by making it hard for them to get jobs, making it difficult for them to, you know, get housing, those kind of things because they shouldn't be here in the first place. 0.56

00:42:58.280 Because you don't have to physically carry, you don't have to physically carry every immigrant out of the country, but you have to make it very inhospitable for 30 million illegal people to be in this country. 1.00

00:43:16.560 If you want to fix anything, if you want to catch up to what Joe Biden even did, you need to get at least 10 million people out of this country in four years.

00:43:24.140 Again, willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt, willing to see the ramp up, appreciate that they needed the budget, but you got it now.

00:43:32.940 Are you really going to turn around and set up an amnesty?

00:43:36.580 Now, again, Trump is just being lobbied here.

00:43:39.600 So I'd like to say he's not interested in it at all, but he's obviously floated the idea several times.

00:43:43.920 Trump does a lot of A-B testing.

00:43:45.540 He does a lot of getting the public opinion and he often adjusts.

00:43:49.760 Last time he made an announcement like this, the government was going to start implementing some of this stuff and then they rolled it back, right?

00:43:57.680 So it's not that Trump can't be talked out of this stuff, but you got to do it.

00:44:03.480 You have to be very forceful with the fact that this is a great way to just end all of the coalition.

00:44:12.140 And Trump should be aware that the bipartisan deal is the death knell, right?

00:44:18.060 Like if you are allowing the Democrats to dictate and the only thing you really get done is amnesty for illegals, that is going to absolutely destroy your legacy. 0.75

00:44:30.560 It's going to completely destroy your legacy and frankly, rightly so, right?

00:44:34.700 If you betray the people of the United States that way, then it's going to have that effect.

00:44:41.580 It was never about only deporting gang members.

00:44:46.800 Never about just deporting fentanyl dealers.

00:44:49.260 Get rid of them first.

00:44:50.040 Yeah, sure.

00:44:50.420 I'm on board with that.

00:44:51.180 But don't sit around and pretend with me that this, you know, that the mass deportations were always about, you know, having the guest workers come in and fill the farming jobs and fill the hospitality jobs.

00:45:08.820 No, these corporations are going to pay Americans.

00:45:12.360 These corporations are going to pay Americans.

00:45:14.880 And to be fair, every one of these people who is lobbying Trump for illegal immigrant labor right now should be in jail.

00:45:23.780 Every one of them should be in jail.

00:45:25.420 They are breaking the law.

00:45:27.660 They are active facilitators of a crime.

00:45:32.320 And not only are they breaking the law, they are destroying my country.

00:45:37.180 These people should be in jail.

00:45:39.180 The minute they show up to say, hey, Mr. Trump, you should carve out this for all of our illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:45:44.560 Oh, where are your illegal immigrants? 0.99

00:45:45.980 Great.

00:45:46.400 We're scooping them up and you too.

00:45:48.300 I hope you enjoy going to Venezuela or whatever.

00:45:51.840 Like there is zero reason that these people should be seeing the light of day.

00:45:56.140 If you are a corporate lobbyist or you are a owner of a corporation and you are pushing for amnesty for illegal workers, you should be in jail. 0.98

00:46:07.260 You are a criminal. 1.00

00:46:08.580 You are a criminal facilitating the destruction of my country. 1.00

00:46:11.780 I do not want you here. 1.00

00:46:13.020 You should not be walking outside. 0.61

00:46:15.340 You are a danger to the country.

00:46:17.120 You are the danger to my community. 0.99

00:46:19.020 You are the danger to the people around me.

00:46:21.560 And I'm sorry.

00:46:22.960 Like there's just, we're done with this.

00:46:24.920 I'm not having this debate.

00:46:26.320 I'm not pretending it's okay.

00:46:27.960 Absolutely not.

00:46:29.320 Absolutely not.

00:46:30.120 Now I feel relatively good about the fact that eventually Trump will walk this back, but I'm not going to pretend that that's some done deal.

00:46:37.520 I'm not going to sit around and just pretend like this is okay.

00:46:40.620 It's absolutely not okay.

00:46:42.460 And with everything else going on right now, Trump does not need this.

00:46:45.940 He really doesn't.

00:46:46.960 So just put, put, just put the rumor to bed, say loudly and strongly, Donald Trump is not giving amnesty.

00:46:56.960 He is not creating a guest worker program.

00:46:58.940 He is not creating a path to citizenship for criminals.

00:47:02.220 He is not facilitating the employment of criminals.

00:47:05.160 He's not facilitating criminal employers.

00:47:09.020 Make it really clear.

00:47:10.720 Do not let your base hesitate on this.

00:47:13.140 Don't let them have to wonder about you on this.

00:47:15.780 This is the core promise.

00:47:17.340 This is what matters.

00:47:19.660 All right.

00:47:20.220 Finally, I wanted to talk really quickly about Elon and his party. 1.00

00:47:23.300 Again, we went over most of this and why it's a stupid idea. 0.97

00:47:27.480 That said, over the last couple of days, obviously Trump has been making the best case for Elon that he possibly could. 0.98

00:47:34.120 Now, I'm not saying Elon would be great and I'm not saying this idea makes any sense. 0.93

00:47:37.620 It's still stupid and suicidal, but you can see why people would be wavering in the face of the way the Trump administration has been handling these things recently. 0.90

00:47:49.080 But let me just say this to people who are considering supporting Elon. 0.99

00:47:53.320 And I think ultimately this is going to blow over.

00:47:57.060 Elon's going to get bored.

00:47:58.980 He's going to put away the pettiness or recognize and he's going to move on.

00:48:02.240 But the reason that Elon's party is obviously dangerous is it'll split the right and it'll destroy the ability to keep the left out of power, despite the fact that the left is absolutely destroyed.

00:48:14.900 Guys, the left is destroyed.

00:48:16.740 The best thing the left can push right now is racial replacement and immigration riots. 0.98

00:48:23.380 That's what they got.

00:48:24.160 They've got a literal communist from Africa by way or from India by way of.

00:48:34.360 Sorry about that.

00:48:36.080 We've got a literal communist, you know, from India by way of Africa. 0.90

00:48:41.600 Running, trying to run New York, trying to be the guy who runs New York.

00:48:45.000 You've got L.A. immigration riots, race riots.

00:48:49.340 The left was trying to start them across the whole country before the Israeli war kicked off.

00:48:54.160 Like the left is in shambles.

00:48:56.520 They are absolutely destroyed.

00:48:58.340 They should have no purchase.

00:48:59.920 The left should just be completely irrelevant to the American political scene right now.

00:49:05.580 And yet look at us like like we're trying.

00:49:08.380 We're desperately trying to grasp defeat out of the jaws of victory.

00:49:12.620 You just passed the border bill.

00:49:14.780 The left has no talking points.

00:49:18.020 Its best opposition to you is you keep deporting gangbangers who beat their wife.

00:49:24.160 That's it.

00:49:24.720 That's all they've got. 0.98

00:49:26.100 They've got gay race communism. 1.00

00:49:28.380 Literally, they've got a Muslim who loves trans people and wants to redistribute all the wealth in New York and take from everybody according to their ability and give to them according to their need. 0.98

00:49:39.520 The left is a joke right now. 0.75

00:49:41.880 It's a complete disaster.

00:49:44.440 The right should be running roughshod over these people.

00:49:47.400 We should be dominating.

00:49:48.360 We should be there should be a golden age.

00:49:50.080 And here we are.

00:49:52.520 Here we are.

00:49:54.920 Amnesty.

00:49:56.340 Third political parties.

00:49:58.520 Completely blown investigations on critical criminal figures.

00:50:02.520 And for what?

00:50:04.020 For what?

00:50:05.020 Why are we giving the left this space?

00:50:07.700 Why are we giving them this opportunity?

00:50:10.020 This is insane.

00:50:10.900 And again, while Elon might look attractive for the moment because of how bad Trump has been on this recently, he obviously doesn't care about borders or the identity of the United States.

00:50:29.280 Elon Musk is a immigrant. 0.99

00:50:30.400 And he said this very clearly during his H-1B crash out, right?

00:50:36.640 I'm an immigrant.

00:50:37.980 All these people who built everything in my companies are immigrants.

00:50:41.080 And so we should be able to have as many people come in as immigrants as we want because we build everything.

00:50:46.000 He was not clever or coy about this.

00:50:48.800 And he really wants infinite immigrants for labor. 0.99

00:50:52.220 Elon is talking about making an America party that is not for Americans, that has no interest in Americans, that has no interest in American history, American tradition, American identity.

00:51:12.140 The America party seems to have one setting, which is government spending.

00:51:17.580 Guys, we already have a party that is completely obsessed with government spending.

00:51:23.440 It's called the Libertarian Party.

00:51:25.480 I have a lot of issues with the Libertarian Party, but if you're going to waste your time, at least spin your third party vote with them.

00:51:33.020 At least a few of them are Americans.

00:51:35.040 At least a few of them actually care.

00:51:37.040 Most of them are, you know, a lot of them are open borders, but some of them aren't.

00:51:40.540 So at least there's some hope with the Libertarian Party.

00:51:44.020 The America party is a joke.

00:51:45.480 And look, the whole, he's trying to make, Elon is trying to make Trump's entire platform government spending.

00:51:51.560 It was never government spending.

00:51:53.180 Say what you want about Trump.

00:51:54.620 I hate him on government spending, but he has never said anything else about government spending.

00:51:59.400 He has never said he's going to slash the budget.

00:52:01.780 He has never talked about fiscal responsibility.

00:52:04.360 He's never been a deficit hawk.

00:52:06.300 Yeah, here and there, he said, oh, we're going to cut government waste and won't that be great?

00:52:10.380 But Trump has just never, ever, ever been the deficit candidate.

00:52:13.380 He has never been the monetary policy candidate.

00:52:16.000 He has never been obsessed with fiscal issues the way that the Republican and Libertarian parties have been my entire life.

00:52:24.080 That's one of the reasons he got so far.

00:52:26.480 People don't care.

00:52:28.160 Maybe they should care, but they do not care.

00:52:30.860 It is a losing issue, which is why it has lost my entire life and will continue to lose.

00:52:37.920 So you're going to build a party on an issue, you know, will lose with, from all your experience, you're taking all the popular things out of Trump's platform and you're saying, okay, we're going to just run on this.

00:52:53.660 This thing that has been Paul Ryan conservatism my entire life that got, had no cultural purchase and went nowhere.

00:52:59.700 Why? Why? And I'm seeing, you know, it's the Uniparty, it's the Uniparty.

00:53:06.760 Well, yes, there is a Uniparty. I agree. 1.00

00:53:08.860 There is overlap between the Republican and Democratic Party.

00:53:11.580 It is nefarious. It is dangerous. I'm with you.

00:53:14.440 But in the next breath, they're like, but why can't we just be centrist?

00:53:18.100 I'm sorry, what?

00:53:21.040 There's a Uniparty, but you want to be centrist?

00:53:23.200 What do you think the Uniparty is?

00:53:24.820 The Uniparty is the center.

00:53:27.800 It's where the parties converge.

00:53:31.200 Radical centrism is the Uniparty.

00:53:33.740 And that's why Elon's party is so weak and safe.

00:53:38.600 Elon's party is not a danger to the regime in the slightest.

00:53:41.980 Because Elon's party is just warmed over Republicanism from the 90s.

00:53:47.000 We're not going back, guys.

00:53:48.920 We're not going back to Fresh Prince.

00:53:51.020 We're not going back to the 90s.

00:53:52.680 It's not happening.

00:53:53.700 It's not happening.

00:53:54.820 I'm sorry.

00:53:56.660 It's a constituent-less demographic.

00:54:00.380 There's nobody interested in this super fiscally responsible, socially liberal party.

00:54:05.500 Nobody cares.

00:54:07.120 Nobody wants fiscal responsibility with open borders.

00:54:09.800 Because you're not going to have fiscal responsibility.

00:54:11.540 You're going to blow on your money on immigrants. 1.00

00:54:13.320 They're going to come in and use all the services.

00:54:16.400 And they're going to drain all your funds.

00:54:18.660 Like, this is so obvious. 1.00

00:54:20.060 And it's so stupid. 1.00

00:54:21.100 And by the way, Democrats are not going to forgive Elon. 1.00

00:54:23.900 Elon.

00:54:24.820 If he splits the vote, if he splits the parties, guess what?

00:54:28.280 He's going to jail.

00:54:29.700 He's losing all of his contracts.

00:54:32.460 He's losing everything.

00:54:33.660 He's losing his businesses.

00:54:35.160 And by the way, libertarians out there now currently backing Elon Musk.

00:54:40.700 Seriously, you're going to rally to this guy who literally built his entire career on government spending, where government contracts and subsidy carve-outs were critical parts of his fortune?

00:54:56.220 I mean, come on.

00:54:58.300 Now, look, I don't blame Elon.

00:54:59.880 He's playing the game.

00:55:01.100 But don't tell me about the principles of your party.

00:55:03.460 Don't tell me how you're so much more principled than the Republican Party.

00:55:06.860 When you immediately jump ship for one of the biggest guys who receives government spending around, it's got like $38 billion or something dollars from the government at this point.

00:55:16.440 Again, Elon's playing the game.

00:55:18.900 I'm not here to say, oh, how could he?

00:55:20.520 But I am saying, if you're a libertarian and you've been pointing to me and saying, oh, why can't you be principled on this issue?

00:55:26.840 Maybe it's time to look in the mirror, guys.

00:55:28.740 Like, if you immediately jump ship to support a guy who clearly does not share your principles, is clearly not a full-on libertarian in any sense of the term.

00:55:39.960 If you're going to abandon your principles to support that guy, then let's just be honest, right?

00:55:44.420 You're doing it because it's politically advantageous.

00:55:46.520 And for once, I would respect that from the Libertarian Party.

00:55:49.880 Be the most politically astute thing they've done in a long time.

00:55:52.820 But just don't wag your finger at me and talk about principle.

00:55:55.740 It's very clear who you are if that's what you're willing to do.

00:55:59.300 So, again, I totally understand why Elon's party looks more attractive after the last few days.

00:56:06.780 But I do think it's a mistake.

00:56:08.760 I think it's far more wise to stay inside and influence Trump at this point.

00:56:16.520 I think that's your best bet.

00:56:18.780 That doesn't mean that it's going to work.

00:56:20.920 I'm not going to this with my eyes shut.

00:56:23.500 I'm not just trusting the plan and not saying anything.

00:56:26.300 But I am just tactically saying that this is the best option we have available to us.

00:56:32.720 And so at this point, we do need to see radical changes from the Trump admin.

00:56:37.580 What we've been seeing is unacceptable out of the DOJ and the FBI, on the issue of immigration.

00:56:48.620 Just obviously need to see very big changes. 1.00

00:56:53.040 Because if you don't, then it doesn't matter how stupid Elon's party is. 1.00

00:56:56.960 Eventually, he's going to pull people away from you. 1.00

00:57:07.580 All right, guys.

00:57:13.460 Thanks for staying with me on that one.

00:57:15.620 Took a while.

00:57:16.380 Like I said, lots of news.

00:57:18.120 Obviously, I'm rather under the weather.

00:57:19.940 But I didn't want to set this one out.

00:57:22.960 And so glad we were able to make it through the hour.

00:57:27.220 We've got a few people with super chats here.

00:57:30.200 So let's go to those real quick.

00:57:38.140 Let's see here.

00:57:38.820 Bull Moose says, chimp now or chimp later?

00:57:40.660 Chimp now. 1.00

00:57:41.480 Chimp now. 1.00

00:57:41.980 For those who don't know, I've been sharing the meme.

00:57:45.300 It's Donald Trump sitting there as the Zen Buddha.

00:57:47.880 Here, let me see if I can bring it up real quick.

00:57:50.280 It's Donald Trump sitting there as the Zen Buddha.

00:57:52.660 And it's trust the plan, always chimp here. 1.00

00:57:56.620 Let's see.

00:57:57.260 I'll share that real quick so you can see it if you're not on Twitter.

00:57:59.660 I don't want to assume everybody is addicted to Twitter.

00:58:04.240 Let's see.

00:58:04.800 Yeah, so this is more or less been my approach, right?

00:58:08.940 Like, trust the plan, but also always be prepared to chimp. 1.00

00:58:13.340 Because if you completely attack Trump and you completely isolate yourself, that's a mistake.

00:58:19.580 Ultimately, Trump has done more for the right than pretty much any other politician during my lifetime.

00:58:24.860 I'm not going to be one of those people who ignores that fact because I dislike something he said.

00:58:29.060 This is what a number of pro-life absolutists have done, and it's been very foolish of them to constantly attack a guy who has got them their biggest victories ever.

00:58:38.320 At the same time, I'm not going to be entirely quiet, right?

00:58:41.020 And so I think this is the right move.

00:58:46.280 Philosophical Thirst Worm says,

00:58:47.440 Imagine if Oren was in the FBI saying there is no evidence of a managerial state.

00:58:51.740 That's how crazy this is after cash podcast circuit.

00:58:54.360 Yeah, that's exactly right, man.

00:58:55.480 Like, I'm sorry, but if you're spending all of your time talking about how this is real and I know about this and the minute I get into office, I'm going to fix this.

00:59:03.200 And then the minute you walk in, you're like, nope, not real, never happened.

00:59:06.900 No victims, no lists, no blackmail.

00:59:10.800 I mean, come on, man, come on.

00:59:14.300 Thirst Worm says,

00:59:15.120 I don't see how the noticing ever calms down if they can't even throw this bone.

00:59:19.640 Is there not a single scout, no sacrificial lamb?

00:59:22.140 Again, I am very confused as to why I did not get at least a explanation.

00:59:27.580 The like, oh, well, there's just nothing there.

00:59:29.960 No, entirely unacceptable.

00:59:31.500 Again, I'm not against being persuaded that the thing was overblown.

00:59:36.640 The conspiracy is not as far reaching as people believe that there's only a few people to get wrapped up or something, but you're wrapping up no one, nothing, zero.

00:59:45.320 It's insane.

00:59:47.860 Sean Weiland says silence is deafening.

00:59:50.540 Absolutely.

00:59:52.160 Absolutely deafening.

00:59:54.120 And just some guy says,

00:59:55.660 What line exactly does Trump need to cross before we are allowed to collectively agree that the Trump era has been a flop and we've been duped?

01:00:02.000 Well, again, guys.

01:00:03.980 Let me say this.

01:00:08.460 I am famously not a fan of democracy.

01:00:11.940 I've written a book about how I don't think democracy works, especially at scale, and how we have to think around that issue.

01:00:20.920 I'm not going to sit here and tell you that participating in national democratic governance is like the best option all the time.

01:00:31.400 That would be hypocritical, and I don't believe it. 0.99

01:00:33.040 That said, I do think that burning all of your bridges just so you can feel the catharsis of attacking Trump is foolish. 0.98

01:00:44.680 You need to be emotionally continent. 0.97

01:00:47.060 You need to be able to control how you feel and how you express it.

01:00:52.180 Yes, Trump has made mistakes.

01:00:53.880 No, I will not pretend he hasn't.

01:00:56.000 Yes, Trump is worthy of criticism.

01:00:57.860 No, I will not stop criticizing when he does something wrong.

01:01:00.600 But I'm also not going to pretend that Donald Trump and Kamala Harris are the same person.

01:01:09.380 Donald Trump has basically stopped all immigration at the border right now.

01:01:13.560 The Biden administration was letting in 8 to 10 million people during four years.

01:01:18.260 I'm sorry, but that alone means Donald Trump is a huge bulwark.

01:01:22.180 Now, should I have to be happy with only that?

01:01:26.140 Should that be enough?

01:01:28.000 Absolutely not.

01:01:28.800 Is it enough?

01:01:29.560 Absolutely not.

01:01:31.180 But am I going to pretend that Trump has done nothing for me?

01:01:33.920 Am I going to be one of these pro-life people who's like, well, Donald Trump said something about how we might have to be somewhat thoughtful about our political strategy.

01:01:40.940 So he's betrayed us on every level, even though he got Roe versus Wade overturned and defunded Planned Parenthood and has done way more for pro-life Christians than any person who's spouted their rhetoric for the last 30 years.

01:01:52.960 Am I going to be like, am I going to be like, am I going to be that person?

01:01:54.620 And the answer is no.

01:01:55.540 So, as I've said many times, Trump is a pause button on the regime.

01:02:01.680 He's not the complete reform.

01:02:03.620 We were never going to get the entire thing fixed top down by Trump and his echelon.

01:02:08.240 It just wasn't going to happen.

01:02:09.900 I'm hoping they do more than they've done now.

01:02:13.100 What they've done is better.

01:02:14.700 It's a relief.

01:02:16.100 It's a breathing room.

01:02:17.220 It's a pause on the destruction of my country in theory, as long as he doesn't do the amnesty, but Trump is not perfect.

01:02:26.360 And he never was going to be.

01:02:27.340 Trump was never going to save us.

01:02:28.800 He's never going to do it all on his own.

01:02:30.740 And so the answers are still local.

01:02:32.940 The answers are still building power locally.

01:02:36.220 The answers are still building networks.

01:02:38.380 The answers are still acquiring power where you can find it and not relying entirely on the national government. 1.00

01:02:44.420 If you're entirely bought into Trump as savior, then, yeah, you're going to look stupid. 1.00

01:02:49.580 But if you're also in these idiots running around and being like, every time Trump says something I don't like or even does something I don't like, I'm a child who can't stop but pooping my pants. 1.00

01:02:58.000 And so I'm just going to run out and scream and completely remove all influence or possible difference I could make. 1.00

01:03:07.280 It just looks foolish to me. 0.59

01:03:08.780 I think it's unwise. 0.97

01:03:09.960 Posmo says, an Italian, a low-caste Indian, and a blonde woman from Fox walk into the DOJ.

01:03:22.440 And then we have Machiavelli Sucks says, any cast Indian? 0.78

01:03:29.860 I'm not exactly sure.

01:03:31.300 Just saying that it doesn't matter what the cast of Indian might be.

01:03:34.480 I'm not exactly sure what you're saying there.

01:03:37.120 But thank you for your super chat.

01:03:39.040 All right, guys.

01:03:40.180 I'm going to wrap this up.

01:03:41.100 Obviously, under the weather.

01:03:42.840 So trying to get out of here and save what's left of my voice.

01:03:47.260 But thank you, everybody, for watching.

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01:04:03.300 Thank you.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - July 07, 2025

The Trump Administration Fumbles the Epstein Scandal ｜ 7⧸7⧸25

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