The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Trump-Musk Civil War and Insurrection in LA ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist

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00:00:30.360 Hey, everybody. How's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:33.580 I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:37.720 Well, luckily, just nothing has happened over the last week.

00:00:40.620 There's not much to discuss.

00:00:42.480 Prudentialist and I might get, I don't know, video games.

00:00:45.420 I don't know. No.

00:00:46.400 So obviously, it's been insane.

00:00:49.000 I was probably the only show not discussing the Elon Musk Trump showdown on Friday

00:00:53.700 because I already had Pastor Doug Wilson booked for a different conversation.

00:00:57.200 But I definitely want to get to that today.

00:00:58.860 We'll talk about mommy and daddy fighting and why it's probably not kayfabe.

00:01:02.880 And also, we're going to talk about why God immediately decided to prove Elon Musk was incredibly wrong

00:01:08.980 and just allow a race riot to spark itself in the middle of L.A. over the issue of immigration,

00:01:15.640 showing that actually the thing we need most is border control and not prioritizing our spending,

00:01:21.660 though ultimately that matters as well.

00:01:23.520 Joining me today to talk about this is Mr. Prudentialist.

00:01:26.480 Thanks for coming on, man.

00:01:27.240 Thanks for having me on, Oren.

00:01:28.720 It's been a heck of a couple of days.

00:01:30.720 I was like, you wanted to come on.

00:01:31.740 I think it was, what, on Friday you had messaged me about wanting to do the Elon Trump thing.

00:01:36.620 And then all of L.A. broke out.

00:01:38.620 And it was like, well, this will be a far more entertaining episode, I think.

00:01:41.920 So thanks for having me on.

00:01:43.260 Yeah.

00:01:43.480 Sometimes the show writes itself.

00:01:45.660 So more than happy to have you.

00:01:48.000 All right.

00:01:48.220 So let's start with the old news first, and then we'll get to the new news.

00:01:53.400 So obviously, a couple of days ago, we knew that Elon Musk was having tensions with the Trump administration.

00:02:00.740 That was very obvious.

00:02:01.540 Of course, we had the great Elon H-1B crash out over Christmas.

00:02:08.080 It was very clear that there was different factions inside the Trump White House that were going to be

00:02:13.480 clashing with each other.

00:02:15.440 And from there, we've seen Elon's continual frustration.

00:02:18.840 He's done some work with Doge.

00:02:20.680 But his primary interest was spending cuts.

00:02:23.820 That's at least what he said.

00:02:25.480 And so the fact that things just weren't getting done the way he wanted, the fact that the bill that was being passed

00:02:30.160 had too many cutouts, too many spending carve-outs for him,

00:02:33.700 he decided he was going to be walking away from the administration.

00:02:37.500 I would already plan to have like a six-month ride over at Doge anyway,

00:02:41.120 so this wasn't a huge surprise in the plan.

00:02:44.860 But it was clear that this wasn't exactly an amicable split.

00:02:48.620 And that only accelerated when we saw Elon start to talk bad trash about Trump and vice versa.

00:02:56.220 He was saying Trump didn't care about the spending, that this was a betrayal.

00:02:59.440 He started to talk about his own political party and how he was going to fund all these

00:03:03.720 different attacks on Republicans that weren't for spending cuts, this kind of thing.

00:03:08.800 Donald Trump comes back and talks about how he's going to cut all of Elon's programs.

00:03:13.980 Elon's only angry because he lost the electronic vehicle subsidy that he was receiving and that

00:03:19.780 ultimately he didn't really care about spending.

00:03:22.320 It was just about his business interests and maybe he should lose some of his government contracts.

00:03:26.160 And then Elon decided to really take things to the next level and basically accused Donald Trump

00:03:30.740 of being a pedophile on, you know, on the island with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:03:37.460 So what was your initial reaction to this insanity, I guess?

00:03:42.340 It was like another Christmas Eve, Christmas Day special from six months ago.

00:03:48.140 He had already played his card once.

00:03:49.860 I just figured that this was going to happen again.

00:03:51.800 I just thought it was perfectly timed because Mr. Richard Hanani had put out an article saying this,

00:03:57.240 like Trump-Elon bromance was going to last forever.

00:03:59.920 And I was like, no, it's not.

00:04:02.240 So no, I think that it was clear that between this bill that he took the most,

00:04:07.180 I don't want to say the spending and the deficit stuff isn't important,

00:04:10.060 but in my list of priorities, it's kind of on the back burner in comparison to what has happened

00:04:15.720 in Los Angeles and what's been happening in my country for several decades now.

00:04:19.300 So to take this principled libertarian fiscal conservative position felt very out of place

00:04:25.040 and it felt very not really what he wanted or what he was wanting to actually talk about.

00:04:30.740 And as you go through the big, beautiful bill, you notice things about like immigration restrictions.

00:04:35.100 You notice the tax on remittances.

00:04:36.920 You notice things that are trying to, you know, put tech sort of, you know,

00:04:41.400 put it on some kind of restraining order when it comes to using H-1B visas.

00:04:45.620 And then of course the electric vehicle mandate.

00:04:48.020 And it's like, okay, so this is far more personal on his own account, his own businesses,

00:04:51.240 because Musk, like a lot of people in Silicon Valley and other parts of American industry,

00:04:56.440 have their biggest relationships are with Uncle Sam.

00:04:58.900 And so he didn't give what he wants.

00:05:00.380 So this feud happens publicly.

00:05:02.140 And as we saw with the, you know, I guess reading the room back in December,

00:05:07.220 Musk has a terrible tendency to not really understand where the people voted for Trump

00:05:11.500 and people voted for immigration restriction and deportations

00:05:14.660 and not this idea of America as a sports team,

00:05:17.840 where I can just hire players on contract from halfway around the world to represent a nation

00:05:22.320 that they probably don't even like to begin with.

00:05:25.160 So I think that, you know, that split was just going to come down to the core issues that

00:05:28.940 people like you and I voted for deportations and not for H-1B visas

00:05:33.560 and more tax credits to electric car companies that don't need it.

00:05:36.800 Yeah, this has always been the tension.

00:05:39.980 And it's funny because originally the Neo-Reactionary Coalition had this tension

00:05:45.640 between kind of the tech bros and the throne and altar guys and then like the ultra-nationalists.

00:05:51.680 And we're seeing some, a mirror of this happen in like the popular politics

00:05:56.820 where the left had made enemies of two types of people.

00:05:59.980 It made enemies of people who wanted to be productive

00:06:02.720 because ultimately it's an ideology that destroys productivity.

00:06:05.760 It destroys all the things that your country needs to operate and run and produce impressive results.

00:06:11.400 And it had angered all the people who wanted a real nation.

00:06:14.280 And unfortunately, a lot of the people who are doing the efficiency thing,

00:06:18.160 who care a lot about the effective acceleration or whatever you want to call it,

00:06:22.000 the tech bro guys, they don't recognize that the real nation is what gets you

00:06:26.100 all the things that you want to actually run the nation.

00:06:28.940 They want to believe that they can just keep getting more efficient without having to care

00:06:32.300 about what it does to the people of the nation or the value of the nation.

00:06:35.740 They would be constrained by the qualities of the nation itself.

00:06:39.460 And so they don't really understand ultimately why you care so much about immigration.

00:06:44.620 Because every immigrant they've ever met is like some 120 IQ guy they brought over to do

00:06:48.780 some specific task.

00:06:50.060 Or at the very least, some guy who presents as someone who's going to fulfill all the needs

00:06:55.360 and act more or less how they expect people in Silicon Valley to act.

00:06:59.360 They don't understand that this is not the experience the vast majority of the people have

00:07:02.520 across the rest of the United States.

00:07:04.640 And I'm with you.

00:07:05.560 Ultimately, these matters of spending do matter.

00:07:09.260 Like I'm not sitting here pretending that there's just, you know,

00:07:11.540 Elon was ridiculous and Rand Paul and Thomas Massey have no points.

00:07:15.040 Like, of course they do.

00:07:16.160 Of course there's pork in this bill.

00:07:17.700 Of course it's a disaster.

00:07:18.920 Just like every giant bill that goes through the United States Congress at this point is.

00:07:23.340 However, as you point out, we have an order of operations, right?

00:07:27.180 We care about government spending.

00:07:28.500 There is a problem there.

00:07:29.600 But we care more about having a country.

00:07:31.620 Because if Rome is burned down, it doesn't matter if the ashes owe like 2% less on the

00:07:37.000 national debt.

00:07:38.120 And so we have this scenario where these people really didn't seem to understand what time

00:07:42.460 it was that the existential threat to the United States, yes, it's got a real spending

00:07:46.820 problem.

00:07:47.180 And that is coming.

00:07:47.960 That's coming down the pike.

00:07:48.900 And we have to deal with it.

00:07:49.740 But if you don't have a nation, if you don't have, especially the people who care about

00:07:53.420 the nation in charge, then they're not going to care about spending.

00:07:56.640 I'm sorry, but illegal immigrants and the people they vote for are never going to care

00:08:00.400 about how efficient your government is.

00:08:02.500 That's not what you are.

00:08:03.600 You are a cash cow to these people.

00:08:05.580 And if you just get rid of them, it'll be a lot easier to reduce government spending.

00:08:09.780 But they just couldn't seem to grasp that point.

00:08:12.160 Yeah, I mean, this really boiled down to a poor out-of-order list of operations, like

00:08:19.960 you had mentioned.

00:08:20.700 And I mean, really, at the end of the day, the American voter base, especially for Trump,

00:08:25.160 and really those who I just identify with the United States, I know we'll get into it

00:08:28.200 with Los Angeles.

00:08:28.960 But when people are complaining about these rioters waving foreign flags, they're saying,

00:08:32.900 well, optics, please wave an American flag.

00:08:34.980 And they'll just respond and say, well, no, the American flag is Trump, and it's white

00:08:38.880 people, and it's Republicans.

00:08:39.960 Like, there's no identification with it.

00:08:42.120 So the people that had voted for Trump had voted for getting their sovereignty back, getting

00:08:46.980 national security under control, and trying to reduce and outright just probably bring

00:08:52.520 immigration down to as close to zero as possible, if not getting there.

00:08:56.080 And for them to focus on the ugly nature of our Republican style of politics, which is pork

00:09:02.020 and favors and tax breaks for other people and lobbies and things like that, yeah, you aren't

00:09:09.380 going to win this battle because the overwhelming majority want this funding.

00:09:13.380 And as Stephen Miller has pointed out time and time again, this is going to unleash billions

00:09:17.520 of dollars for border control, detention facilities, and to accelerate deportations as high as they can

00:09:24.420 feasibly right now.

00:09:25.880 And while they could probably do more with this bill, it's a good start.

00:09:29.280 And for them to snap at that moment, you know, they had been answered by divine providence

00:09:34.480 with this unfortunate riot in Los Angeles.

00:09:37.020 But that riot is unfortunate because it's the reality of our situation.

00:09:40.420 It's been making the rounds right now.

00:09:42.080 You know, the great book from 2011 by Pat Buchanan, who deserves a Presidential Medal of Freedom

00:09:46.660 before he reposes, that, you know, the question about if America survives to 2025, and interviewing

00:09:52.900 Sean Hannity in, you know, 2011, that America is going to be like Los Angeles in the 2060s.

00:09:58.780 Why do we want that all over America?

00:10:01.600 And for their priorities to be focused on spending or not getting the certain provision that they

00:10:05.700 want illustrates that they have no real connection or understanding because they're so wealthy

00:10:10.360 and so rich that they can avoid the problem.

00:10:12.860 And they've been surrounded by yes-men and their entire careers in industry work.

00:10:16.960 And for the rest of us, the average American has to deal with a society that is fundamentally

00:10:21.600 low trust, where you'll hear a dozen languages in any supermarket you go to.

00:10:25.080 And there is no national unity or even a national identity to rally behind that isn't just films

00:10:30.440 about Air Jordans and Flaming Hot Cheetos.

00:10:32.760 America deserves better.

00:10:34.140 And the American people certainly deserve a lot more than what we're getting.

00:10:37.960 Yeah, it was quite impressive that Elon Musk just misjudged that scenario so badly.

00:10:45.040 Again, neither of these men are known for their political, emotional continents.

00:10:51.100 But Elon Musk crashed out pretty hard.

00:10:53.560 And it was kind of amazing to watch.

00:10:56.500 Don't get me wrong.

00:10:57.560 Elon was a critical part of that coalition.

00:10:59.460 But ultimately, people voted for Donald Trump.

00:11:01.860 He's the impetus for this political movement.

00:11:04.640 MAGA is created by Trump.

00:11:06.060 It's loyal to Trump.

00:11:07.020 We saw with the attempt to do the DeSantis, Indiana Jones switch during the campaign that

00:11:13.980 that's simply not going to work.

00:11:15.140 We're talking about a man who got shot in the face for the country.

00:11:19.580 There's just a lot of people who are going to ride and die with Donald Trump.

00:11:22.340 And Elon, while a lot of people liked him and liked the things that he had done, I'll always

00:11:26.180 be grateful for his purchase of Twitter.

00:11:28.360 But the fact, ultimately, that he thought he could go head to head with Trump on this

00:11:33.720 was just foolish.

00:11:35.120 And then, like you said, Providence delivered a key illustration of that.

00:11:39.040 I think I saw Nick Land say something to the effect of the idea that Elon Musk could

00:11:45.060 compete with Donald Trump in democratic politics was about as foolish as Donald Trump believing

00:11:49.280 he could design a space rocket.

00:11:51.700 And I think we really saw that play out even before these riots went into effect.

00:11:57.240 But then, as you point out, the fact that these tensions have been building for a long

00:12:01.640 time and very predictably, right?

00:12:03.320 This is exactly what people like you and I have been warning about.

00:12:07.560 And guys like Pat Buchanan have been writing about for decades at this point.

00:12:12.120 The fact that that reliably came to a head and gave us this just visceral demonstration,

00:12:18.420 cars on fire, Mexican flags being waved everywhere as the American flag is burned, rocks being

00:12:25.020 thrown, giant rocks being thrown down off bridges at police cars and police officers.

00:12:30.540 It is very clear that what we are facing here is a very dangerous civilizational threat.

00:12:39.400 And if we do not expel these people, if we do not close the borders and we do not remove

00:12:43.460 permanently people who should not be here, there will not be a country to worry about budget

00:12:48.480 cuts around.

00:12:49.260 Like, it just won't matter.

00:12:50.600 And this is so hard for someone like Elon to grasp.

00:12:54.480 Yeah, this is the important thing to realize is that even in California, of all places, sure,

00:12:59.340 you can avoid it with wealth and being able to afford private security.

00:13:02.720 But even then, you know, the logistical aspect of getting your product out, whether you work

00:13:07.060 for Amazon, whether you work in Google or whatever, so much of this stuff has already

00:13:10.720 been attacked.

00:13:11.420 I mean, you've had driverless cars that have been burned down.

00:13:13.780 It's not like Elon hasn't witnessed.

00:13:15.400 It's been a terrible year for Tesla owners, hasn't it?

00:13:17.840 Where now Trump fans are hating Elon Musk and Tesla.

00:13:20.880 And of course, the left has been engaging in violent terrorism since the election over his

00:13:26.000 cars and things like that.

00:13:27.360 And so all of this just really comes to show, like, you know, you need to get your head in

00:13:31.560 the game and kind of realize that, you know, the left plays for keeps and either you can

00:13:35.800 play for keeps and actually try and win or you can snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory

00:13:41.220 and continue to engage in what you're doing.

00:13:44.080 Now, I noticed that he unfollowed some people, including Stephen Miller, and then refollowed

00:13:48.160 them back and then was quickly quote tweeting, you know, Donald Trump truth social posts on

00:13:52.940 Twitter.

00:13:53.200 And it's just like, dude, you just accused him of being a pedophile on like little St.

00:13:57.660 James and the Lolita Express.

00:13:59.480 Like, I don't think you get to kind of come back into the fold that quickly.

00:14:02.880 And there should be political consequences for that, even if he does come back to his

00:14:06.660 side.

00:14:06.980 But I mean, it just comes to show like for a guy who was on podcast talking about how

00:14:12.020 bad things are in South Africa with racial laws and the flagrant anti-white discrimination

00:14:17.620 that exists in that country, like, dude, you're like the state that you call home or like that

00:14:22.400 you originally did California before moving to Texas is doing the same thing right now.

00:14:27.140 And they're engaging in the same kind of murderous, racialized rampaging that has been in that

00:14:32.520 part of the country really since we've allowed amnesty to take place back with Reagan and

00:14:37.040 everything else that includes that in the 80s.

00:14:39.100 All of this is taking place is the consequences of actions that we have sowed from decades

00:14:45.580 ago coming up to clear it out.

00:14:47.480 And people like Pat Buchanan, Peter Brimlow, and people far more to the right than them,

00:14:50.940 even Samuel P. Huntington, who worked for Jimmy Carter, a pretty liberal guy, pointed this

00:14:55.680 stuff out as well about that.

00:14:57.180 You know, we have a large amount of people that don't assimilate, stay in these ethnic

00:14:59.920 enclaves, identify and have this sort of irredentist viewpoint of this kind of territory.

00:15:06.880 So, Musk, you know, and anyone who's on his side, maybe realize that you have bigger fish

00:15:12.700 to fry and they're right in front of you.

00:15:15.120 Yeah, it really, you know, we talk about the lack of assimilation and how difficult it is

00:15:21.300 often for anyone to assimilate.

00:15:24.400 And when you look at Elon Musk, I mean, I'm sure he cares about the United States on some

00:15:28.920 level, but you're right.

00:15:30.280 He looks at his home in South Africa and that's home and he recognizes the dynamic happening

00:15:35.320 at home.

00:15:35.800 But when he's in the United States, the United States, well, it's nice to be here and it's

00:15:39.520 a land of opportunity.

00:15:40.300 It's allowed him to create many things he's wanted to create and build the wealth he's

00:15:44.680 wanted to build.

00:15:45.660 But at the end of the day, is the United States home for Elon Musk?

00:15:49.320 Does he care the way he cares about South Africa as an immigrant?

00:15:53.700 One starts to wonder because you see the same dynamic playing out, but you make excuses for

00:15:58.000 it here or even facilitate it here in the United States.

00:16:00.520 And it's like, actually, maybe Elon Musk does just see the United States as an economic

00:16:04.560 zone and a sports team.

00:16:06.540 And ultimately, South Africa is the real country.

00:16:09.080 And that should make you think, because if a guy like Elon Musk, who a lot of people just

00:16:12.700 assume to be pretty American in many of his mannerisms and many of his beliefs, the fact

00:16:19.860 that a guy like that still seems to ultimately not value the United States the same way he valued

00:16:25.000 his country of origin makes you wonder how much more that has to be true for, you know,

00:16:30.540 obviously the guy waving the Mexican flag and burning down police cars in the middle

00:16:37.000 of the street in L.A.

00:16:38.680 It really asks, ultimately, can you assimilate people in this manner, at least not without

00:16:44.540 multiple generations of some kind of change over time?

00:16:48.340 And I think the answer is pretty clearly no.

00:16:50.640 Now, many people have speculated that Elon Musk was on a drug bender.

00:16:55.240 There have been stories in the media about, you know, use of different drugs while out

00:16:59.720 with Trump and others.

00:17:02.080 No way to know that.

00:17:03.420 Lots of speculation.

00:17:05.020 I think Elon has proven to just be emotionally incontinent in other scenarios.

00:17:09.900 He's got a very quick temper on all sides.

00:17:12.540 I think it's very easy for him to escalate that without having to have that factor.

00:17:17.120 But a lot of people have said, oh, well, you know, he was he was kind of deep in the

00:17:21.640 thing, you know, when he was yelling at Trump.

00:17:23.900 And now that he's over the over the bender, he's come back and he's trying to make amends,

00:17:28.260 recognizing how many bridges he's burned, because you're right.

00:17:30.560 He has started refollowing a bunch of administration officials on Twitter.

00:17:33.720 He's walked back some of his rhetoric about, you know, stopping different programs, pulling

00:17:39.120 out of government contracts and has once again, it seemed started to address some of the

00:17:44.300 issues when it comes to immigration.

00:17:45.480 So there seems to be a bit of a mea culpa going on with Musk on that front.

00:17:50.580 Yeah, it certainly seems like it.

00:17:51.840 But I mean, we saw the same thing sort of play out last Christmas where, you know, he immediately

00:17:56.480 had switched on a dime to the issue of ethnic rape gangs in Britain as soon as he realized

00:18:02.780 he wasn't really winning the popular opinion on the issue of immigration on his own platform

00:18:07.320 last December.

00:18:08.280 So to have this riot play out the way that it has has been lucky for him to sort of come

00:18:14.060 back into the fold and everyone focused on the riot as they should be, because this has

00:18:18.340 been the most blatant kind of ethnic conflict that the United States has seen in a very long

00:18:23.320 time.

00:18:24.100 And this makes the 1992 riots not look I mean, we haven't sent in as much we haven't done

00:18:28.620 as much damage, I think so far.

00:18:30.000 But I mean, even then, the difference from 1992 and today is, is that our demographics

00:18:34.580 have gotten worse.

00:18:35.480 This isn't over Rodney King, this is over national sovereignty.

00:18:38.680 And, you know, while Rodney King may have begged and pleaded for everyone to get along,

00:18:43.240 you can't get along with people that don't view themselves as American and fundamentally

00:18:46.700 view themselves as an ethnic fifth column of a foreign power that the president of said

00:18:51.260 foreign power has said that they would mobilize the people that live in this country to do something.

00:18:55.120 So I think that it should be who of anyone who listens to your show who might work in

00:18:59.620 the administration or work in government in general, that this is what time it is.

00:19:03.400 And this is going to be the same problems that numerous American pundits and conservatives

00:19:08.540 and national security officials for decades have been concerned about.

00:19:13.280 But we've sold our birthright under this myth of assimilation, which clearly has not happened.

00:19:20.460 And we've had other problems like this happen in the past before.

00:19:23.260 I mean, we had numerous ethnic enclaves of German speakers in the United States.

00:19:27.940 It took a world war for more or less to sort of, you know, eradicate that sort of identity.

00:19:32.960 And you can say that's for better or for worse.

00:19:34.660 But I mean, that's what it took was an entire global conflict that America got dragged into

00:19:38.340 to sort of change the perspective of those people that had immigrated here in their home

00:19:42.360 country now to be in the United States.

00:19:44.600 Like if it it's hard to look at where we are now when we've had a system of culture where

00:19:50.700 it's this alleged form of colorblindness while still idolizing and putting people on literal

00:19:56.580 altars.

00:19:57.440 I mean, whether it's George Floyd in a golden casket with a state funeral or all these other

00:20:01.600 statues that pop up or trying to reframe old music and old traditions as part of other ethnic

00:20:09.040 identities and not what was an American tradition.

00:20:11.120 It really just illustrates that, you know, what what aspect of the flag or the nation or

00:20:16.420 people is there to belong to when they've been told since they got off the boat or they

00:20:21.060 crossed over illegally or they flew here and overstayed their visa that they can stay and

00:20:25.460 hold on to who they are because there's nothing here for them to grasp to because they are

00:20:29.000 actively supported, subsidized and told from education to media to pop culture that there is

00:20:36.860 nothing here and you can just be who you are.

00:20:38.820 We hope you're enjoying your Air Canada flight.

00:20:41.380 Rocky's vacation.

00:20:42.600 Here we come.

00:20:44.140 Whoa.

00:20:44.780 Is this economy?

00:20:46.260 Free beer, wine and snacks.

00:20:48.700 Sweet.

00:20:49.780 Fast free Wi-Fi means I can make dinner reservations before we land.

00:20:53.840 And with live TV, I'm not missing the game.

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00:21:07.660 I want to highlight something that you mentioned there at the beginning when you were talking

00:21:14.120 about the dynamics of this particular riot because you're exactly right.

00:21:18.580 The first thing my mind shot to was the 1992 L.A. riots.

00:21:24.020 Pat Buchanan's famous culture war speech where he talks about the young men of the United States

00:21:30.040 National Guard going block by block and retaking L.A.

00:21:33.660 And that's how we have to take retake our country one block and one neighborhood and one city at a time.

00:21:40.040 And of course, that echoes when you're watching the National Guard get deployed to this new riot.

00:21:45.240 But the big difference between that one and the one that we're facing now is for the most part, while unfortunately, due to many mismanagement and active encouragement in some cases.

00:21:56.160 We'll talk about that more on Wednesday with academic agent when he comes on the show, despite the fact that race riots have been an unfortunate part of American history on a pretty regular basis.

00:22:05.540 It has usually been with the black community and has been between tensions in the black community and between black community in the way that they have been policed or the way that they've interacted with law enforcement.

00:22:17.580 It was a problem, but it was an internal problem.

00:22:20.220 It was an American problem.

00:22:21.940 It's a problem that had been part of American history for hundreds of years and one we were still trying to resolve internally.

00:22:28.620 What we're facing now is very different.

00:22:32.160 This is an external threat that has been specifically imported into the United States, encouraged both by foreign governments and by the United States government itself.

00:22:42.080 We actually saw an amazing thing, the new Mexican president talking about how she had to make sure she had to mobilize her people inside the United States to make sure that they did not pass any remittance taxes on Mexican immigrants in the United States because so much of Mexico's economy relies on U.S. based remittances.

00:23:05.800 The diaspora in the United States is being specifically manipulated by the Mexican government or at least ordered by the Mexican government to get out on the streets and protest to keep taxes from being levied against the money that's being sent back to them.

00:23:19.680 I'm sure that the beginning, the genesis of this riot was not probably the Mexican government.

00:23:25.240 I think we can talk in more depth about some of the other organizations that might have been involved in helping to spark this off.

00:23:31.200 But the fact that a foreign leader is specifically encouraging domestic unrest inside the United States for the financial interests of their country is insanely dangerous.

00:23:43.020 When the Russian government was accused of manipulating the election in the United States, that was a blank check for sanctions or even possible military involvement.

00:23:54.020 And yet now we have someone on our southern border saying explicitly that they are involving themselves in encouraging violent action inside our country.

00:24:03.400 That's insane.

00:24:04.540 Like that is an invasion in everything but actual name.

00:24:10.080 Yeah.

00:24:10.840 And I mean, historically speaking, when someone is is causing reckless damage and wreaking havoc across your countryside, holding the flag of a foreign power, that's usually the sign of a military force.

00:24:21.200 And to see the rioters and acting the way that they are, I mean, in any other terms, those are military aged adult individuals that would be classified as military combatants.

00:24:31.720 If this was on some other part of the world and our other conflicts and military adventurism that we've gotten into reckless and otherwise, it really just goes to show that this is a far more serious degree.

00:24:42.720 And it is now having to pull the lid on a very ugly question that America and its people have been forced to, and you can talk more about that on Wednesday, I'm sure, but forced and keep that lid covered about what is a nation, who is a people.

00:24:57.860 I know you talked about that with Doug Wilson last Friday, but it just illustrates that these questions about, you know, what makes everyone an American.

00:25:04.940 It's not just burgers, guns, and beer.

00:25:07.200 It's never been that.

00:25:08.700 And to make that the most super official level of American identity is pathetic because the nation is far more than that.

00:25:15.840 It has traditions and history far more than that.

00:25:18.020 And the territory of California has been American far longer than anyone inside the old, you know, Mexican governments or the Spanish colonial era had ever held on to.

00:25:27.360 But here we are now having to deal with a foreign president talking about mobilizing and getting directly involved in this conflict over remittances, because a good chunk of Mexican GDP comes from that.

00:25:37.900 You have, of course, every form of narco-terrorism that's on that side that has ties to everyone from the Chinese to the Mexican government to getting Israeli weapons.

00:25:47.920 Everything that we're dealing with right now is the culmination of an existential national security, but not even just national security, a threat to the very notion of what does it mean to be an American today in 2025.

00:26:00.380 And because that conversation has been wrapped in this sort of colorblind liberalism, when virtually every other nation and every other political entity in the history of Earth and the human race has had a much stronger sense of self and identity than just a piece of paper or these consumer identities or a creed to hold on to.

00:26:20.840 So it just really illustrates that things are unraveling very quickly and that these riots are emblematic that you cannot actually even use the word assimilation because there hasn't really been any of that throughout America's history.

00:26:33.660 And there's been a lot of great books written by a lot of both, you know, pretty conservative, but also very progressive authors that talk about when people come over here, you know, they lose a little bit of themselves.

00:26:43.040 But whatever was left of that original, you know, country, let's say the United States, they also sort of dilute themselves to do that.

00:26:48.740 And I've seen a lot of debates over the last couple of years on this issue, some hosted by everyone ranging from Barry Weiss to more conservative institutions or actually conservative institutions talking about this issue.

00:27:00.140 And it really just comes to show that we're all kind of just lying to each other, hoping that, you know, we can just pass the clock until it's over.

00:27:07.920 We saw the same thing happen overseas in Britain where you had members of parliament saying, well, I'll be long gone by the time that Britain becomes minority white.

00:27:15.580 So I'm not really going to worry about it.

00:27:16.920 Uh, we don't really get to have that, that privilege here because things are going to continue to be violent, low trust societies.

00:27:23.760 And if something actually gets happened, something happens and some action takes place, uh, the quicker, the better, because all that we're doing is holding a ticking time bomb and they know it just as much as we do.

00:27:35.820 Yeah, there, there was a constant refrain and I understand how this comes up.

00:27:40.440 I understand why conservatives would kind of go back to this, but the immediate response to, you know, these guys standing atop burning cars, uh, you know, uh, carrying Mexican flags was to say, oh, these guys are rioting on behalf of a country that they don't want to go back to how, how silly of them.

00:27:57.200 And I understand that, uh, again, I understand that response, but the thing you have to understand is that nations are not geographical locations and they're not abstract principles.

00:28:08.980 Nations are people.

00:28:09.960 And so when a Mexican immigrant comes here illegally to collect benefits from you and send money back home, he doesn't care.

00:28:17.940 Some of them do.

00:28:19.060 There are, there's a handful of those that look at that and say, oh, I look at this place and, uh, the values of this place matter and the people of this place matter.

00:28:27.060 And I think that they produce something special, but the vast majority of people who cross the border and never learn your language and never join anything.

00:28:34.640 And never, never in any way, actually simulate to the culture.

00:28:37.820 They're not coming in here and thinking, oh, America, it got produced this way because the, the, the, the ideas are just superior to my country.

00:28:44.560 No, they're thinking I am Mexican and my people are Mexican.

00:28:48.660 And so wherever I go, I am Mexican.

00:28:51.500 And I want that place to be more like Mexico because I am Mexican.

00:28:55.280 The nation is the people and wherever the people are, the nation goes.

00:28:59.400 And so a lot of these guys, when they come in here, they're not thinking, oh, well, uh, the, the wonders of capitalism.

00:29:04.640 And freedom of speech and, and, uh, democracy, they, they've just produced this amazing country.

00:29:10.400 And this is how I need to be.

00:29:11.860 No, they think these are people who I can take money from, and this is land I can, uh, eventually obtain.

00:29:18.940 And that's why the, the narrative of, uh, basically reconquista, these guys want to take back the United States, what they say the United States took from them.

00:29:27.920 The fact that the settler colonialism narrative from the left has been melded into this so quickly and is prominent throughout all of the messaging and all of the chants and all the political activism.

00:29:38.020 It just shows you that ultimately these people will use any manipulation.

00:29:42.700 Like you said, they're just lying to you.

00:29:44.440 They don't care.

00:29:45.520 They don't care about your, uh, Marxism.

00:29:48.300 Maybe they'll use the language.

00:29:49.920 They might find the rhetoric useful at the time, but what they care about is them, their families, and their, their fellow co-ethnics being able to secure benefits and territory because they're an invading force.

00:30:04.660 They're a fifth column.

00:30:06.440 They're not here to assimilate.

00:30:08.440 That was never the purpose.

00:30:09.780 And you can tell because of exactly how they're behaving right now.

00:30:12.420 Absolutely.

00:30:14.060 I think a former guest of your show had said at one point that everyone is sort of a blood and soil nationalist for the nation they like.

00:30:20.500 And you see that very much on display right now in the streets of Los Angeles where all these riots are taking place.

00:30:27.240 And the fact that it's just been turned into this great commodified, uh, you know, thing where the revolution allegedly gets televised, where everyone from Hassan Piker is on the, on the, on the ground, hoping, you know, that he, he won't get hit by a flashbang or something,

00:30:41.420 trying to break in millions of dollars off of this sort of adventure while, uh, you know, just the basic enforcement of law and order has gotten every Democrat governor.

00:30:50.120 So about what 45% of all of the governorships in the United States to be on board with saying that the enforcement of laws that are on the books as they are is unacceptable.

00:31:01.260 And then it just comes to show that the democratic party in this country advocates for ethnic fifth columns.

00:31:07.360 They advocate for the replacement of actual Americans.

00:31:09.580 They want to ensure that, you know, the South Africanization or even the Californication of this country, uh, goes the way that they want it to be, because that's all that they're here for is to support and advocate for their own country, the territory that they claim to be theirs, that they've claimed that they have settled, that they've taken over.

00:31:28.080 And they kind of have over the course of decades now.

00:31:30.900 I mean, you can just look at the demographics of blacks versus Hispanics and Compton is a good example.

00:31:35.520 And it really just illustrates to you that this is what you're dealing with here is, is that it's not just like you had mentioned earlier.

00:31:40.740 It's not like the old American racial conflicts of the past, where it's really sort of white America dealing with the history of slavery and the African American population.

00:31:49.720 No, what it is now is, is that you have people from all over the world that have come here, not just from Mexico, not just from India, not just from any other part of the world, but everywhere.

00:31:58.600 And now it's like, well, can a nation like that exist functionally? No, we noticed this in Minnesota.

00:32:04.020 We just had a state representative, I think in their own state government admit that they're there illegally.

00:32:09.100 I certainly hope that, uh, they do the right thing and send her back.

00:32:12.420 But at the same time, you have to, for the administration, they have to understand that if you're going to enforce the laws, you actually have to use force to do that.

00:32:21.720 And that's a question of political will now to nationalize parts of the national guard, put the Marines on high alert,

00:32:26.980 to allow Newsom and the LAPD chief to kind of recognize that this is not looking good for them either,

00:32:33.640 that, uh, this is an improvement from the 2020 tweets about law and order and monitoring the situation.

00:32:39.340 But right now, uh, more will need to be done because if not, they're going to use this as precedent to accelerate their plans,

00:32:46.540 uh, for the next, you know, three and a half years of this administration and for whatever comes in 2028.

00:32:52.980 Yeah, obviously the Trump administration has to be careful about this.

00:32:55.780 The way that you roll things out, the optics are critical and there is certain legalities that you also have to pay attention to.

00:33:02.140 But as you said, the critical thing, I think this time is that last time this happened,

00:33:07.700 Trump administration basically just took their hands off.

00:33:09.880 They said, look, we don't want to get caught looking like we're, you know, cracking down on many of these riots.

00:33:14.860 We don't want to deploy the National Guard, that optics will be bad.

00:33:17.940 So we're just going to kind of stand by and let this burn itself out and it'll just look bad and that'll help us.

00:33:23.860 Clearly, that's not what happened.

00:33:25.160 And actually that played a very significant role in making it difficult for Trump to seek, uh, re-election,

00:33:31.300 though obviously many other things involved with that election to be sure.

00:33:35.000 But it does look like the Trump administration is more conscious of the need to show some level of force,

00:33:40.460 uh, to continue to provide, uh, like you said, that the ICE continued to stay on the ground,

00:33:45.200 continue to do deportation operations.

00:33:47.460 Should have mentioned at the beginning, most people probably already know,

00:33:49.840 but most of this was spurred by the fact that the Trump administration was doing major deportation efforts

00:33:54.420 in places like Home Depots, uh, which I love.

00:33:57.640 Thank you, Stephen Miller.

00:33:58.900 Uh, but, uh, but doing, uh, doing, uh, those kinds of deportation, uh, uh, operations in California,

00:34:04.200 specifically very much in LA.

00:34:05.860 Uh, and, and so they recognize the importance of continuing that operation, not backing down,

00:34:10.200 uh, putting some, uh, military on high alert, activating possibility of the National Guard.

00:34:15.600 Uh, they recognize that they can't just let this thing burn out of control forever.

00:34:19.960 They're going to give Gavin Newsom, I guess, as much rope as they can, uh,

00:34:24.160 because he does seem pretty, uh, intent on hanging himself on this, uh, whatever presidential

00:34:29.300 aspirations he had, uh, which he most certainly did have, uh, seemed to probably be gone, uh,

00:34:34.860 after this, but Newsom's been so ridiculously ineffective because ultimately he just agrees

00:34:39.560 with these people, right?

00:34:40.640 And, and this, and I'm going to say, sorry, I'm going to say something.

00:34:43.280 Chat's going to go wild, but here it is.

00:34:45.040 Uh, Tim Pool had a great point.

00:34:46.940 Uh, Tim Pool had a great point on Twitter.

00:34:50.380 He said, uh, you know, the, the, the, these are state sponsored.

00:34:54.160 Like the, the, the, the state knows what it's doing here.

00:34:57.180 The Gavin Newsom knows that these riots, uh, what, what they're about.

00:35:01.640 Uh, and these guys are ultimately just foot soldiers of the regime.

00:35:05.260 These are, this is what, uh, the state wants to do.

00:35:08.160 It wants to be able to push back against ice.

00:35:10.540 It wants to be able to stop the deportations, but it can't just like send California police

00:35:15.640 to like go fight ice, right?

00:35:17.240 Like that's, they're not going to get in some shootout between, uh, the LA cops and, and,

00:35:21.060 and ice agents.

00:35:22.000 So instead you activate these, uh, you know, political foot soldiers, these mobs, you send

00:35:27.400 them out on your behalf and they kind of become like pirates.

00:35:29.960 They kind of become like guys with letters of Mark who can run out on your behalf and do

00:35:33.900 violence and maybe get some benefits, uh, while, while rioting.

00:35:37.480 Uh, but ultimately they are serving the government's purposes.

00:35:40.340 Now, this is something we have talked about.

00:35:42.240 Of course, we've talked about how every riot, every protest is a, is a victory lap on the

00:35:48.060 behalf of the regime.

00:35:48.860 These things don't occur unless the government wants them to occur.

00:35:52.500 Again, we'll, we'll talk some more about that with the CRS on Wednesday, but, uh, that is

00:35:57.360 a very good observation.

00:35:58.640 If Gavin Newsom didn't want these riots to happen, they wouldn't.

00:36:02.460 He's given out these superficial calls for like, oh, this is, you're giving the Trump

00:36:06.300 administration a excuse to escalate.

00:36:08.660 But ultimately his focus has entirely been on the danger that the Trump administration might

00:36:13.640 actually respond to the burning of cop cars, the assaulting of officers, the attacks on

00:36:19.300 people's businesses, the attacks on police precincts.

00:36:21.900 That has been the focus.

00:36:23.000 Nothing about actually stopping that type of behavior ultimately.

00:36:26.520 Yeah, absolutely.

00:36:27.620 We, we noticed this when, uh, the Chinese head of state had visited California that he managed

00:36:32.420 to get the homeless all cleaned up and managed to actually enforce the laws if he wanted to.

00:36:36.980 And while conservatives did the usual touting of hypocrisy, it really just goes to illustrate

00:36:41.260 that everything that you had just said was true and everything that I guess Tim Poole had

00:36:45.300 mentioned was, uh, correct.

00:36:46.700 It must be a cold day in hell right now for sure.

00:36:49.060 But it just illustrates that, you know, he wants this to happen.

00:36:52.620 He's got his own media strategy and he is calling out the president's bluff or he's trying

00:36:56.860 to call out a bluff about what's currently happening right now.

00:36:59.980 And so this has now become a game of political and identitarian chicken over, you know, immigration

00:37:05.880 enforcement.

00:37:06.660 And they're going after fentanyl dealers.

00:37:08.280 They're going off the people that they know are out there that have killed and have been

00:37:12.020 part of drug smuggling rings and probably have vital intelligence to shut down greater

00:37:16.220 drug and human trafficking trades.

00:37:18.560 But nevertheless, those guys are so holy, so important to this coalition that they are

00:37:24.540 willing to burn their cities down and to engage in, you know, allowing, you know, ethnic

00:37:31.120 fifth columns from other parts of the world to engage in just open identitarian warfare in

00:37:36.400 the United States, simply because there are people there that say, hey, this guy has been a fentanyl

00:37:40.380 dealer.

00:37:40.760 We know that he's killed several people.

00:37:42.100 We need to go arrest them.

00:37:43.500 And that's apparently unacceptable.

00:37:45.640 And it's the same thing that we saw in 2020 with George Floyd and everything that came with

00:37:50.220 that entire era of American politics that when push comes to shove, the American left, the

00:37:55.940 Democrats, everyone that sides with them will drape themselves in an American flag or in this

00:38:00.940 case, a Mexican flag and will simply say, we will side with drug dealers, rapists, criminals

00:38:06.320 and murderers over hardworking actual Americans any day of the week.

00:38:11.340 And if it hasn't been more open right now, that's sort of the coalition of American politics

00:38:15.100 right now.

00:38:15.820 And as much as, you know, the Trump camp and those in the tech right kind of want to play

00:38:21.300 soft on certain kinds of immigration, they're still going to support their own team before

00:38:25.340 they decide to support the United States of America, whether it's Elon Musk or those that

00:38:29.920 will defend their, you know, various co-ethnics when it comes to strange foreign prayers in

00:38:34.500 Congress.

00:38:35.000 Like, sorry, Hermit Dillon, but like that also puts you in the crosshairs.

00:38:38.040 And it comes to just show that this is where we're at as everyone's on team me and for my

00:38:43.220 people and myself.

00:38:44.200 And that's what this is boiled down to.

00:38:46.480 And that's what every political conflict in the United States is going to be like unless

00:38:50.360 immigration and deportations, you know, actually start being enforced.

00:38:54.840 Yeah, I got to say, I was a fan of Dillon's work in the civil rights office so far.

00:38:59.680 But the fact that she gave me the you need to educate yourself lecture about like strange

00:39:05.060 subcontinental religions, I don't actually, I don't care.

00:39:08.920 It's not like I didn't know Sikhs exist.

00:39:10.740 I just don't want them leading prayers in my country because it's a Christian country.

00:39:14.300 And if, you know, you'd like to quietly have a Sikh prayer somewhere in your own house

00:39:18.960 of worship, that's fine.

00:39:20.000 But if you'd like to come into my country and decide to dictate what we're going to be

00:39:25.060 doing with religious ceremonies, then yeah, there's a problem of assimilation there.

00:39:30.480 Don't tell me that your immigrants are assimilating when you have that type of attitude towards

00:39:34.920 my nation and my religion.

00:39:36.560 Now, the interesting thing that I've seen, a very positive development, while obviously

00:39:44.660 I don't wish these riots on anybody or, you know, for, you know, violence of this type

00:39:49.540 at all.

00:39:50.240 The interesting thing is, of course, this has been more or less, including just breaking

00:39:54.600 up the whole Elon thing, just humiliating the Rand Pauls and the Thomas Masseys who were

00:40:01.560 running around saying, we got to cut the border control budget.

00:40:04.540 We can't, we can't invest money in the border patrol.

00:40:06.820 It's like, now is not the time, like just sit down, now's the time.

00:40:10.880 But in addition to breaking that, there's also been this phenomenon of a lot of the, not just

00:40:17.060 the conservative commentariat, but even sitting senators really picking up some very important

00:40:23.500 rhetoric.

00:40:23.880 We saw guys like Matt Walsh and Charlie Kirk saying that ultimately we need to ban third

00:40:31.020 world immigration into the United States, not just illegal immigration.

00:40:34.540 Legal immigration.

00:40:35.900 When guys like Charlie Kirk start saying things, guys, you need to listen because I know you

00:40:41.300 can have whatever feeling you want about Charlie Kirk, but this guy is a bellwether, right?

00:40:44.680 Like this is it.

00:40:45.740 Once he starts disseminating an idea, it's going to get out there.

00:40:49.160 It's going to trickle down.

00:40:50.220 Like Turning Point USA, these kinds of organizations, they hold a lot of sway with a lot of real politicians

00:40:55.380 and policymakers.

00:40:56.120 So when you start to see Matt Walsh, when you start to see Charlie Kirk saying no more

00:41:00.580 legal third world immigration into the United States, that's huge.

00:41:05.000 We've also started seeing people talking about seriously having remittance taxes.

00:41:10.300 There's already, I think it was 3.5% remittance tax in the big, beautiful bill.

00:41:15.620 Originally, I believe it's Eric Schmidt.

00:41:17.700 The senator has upped that to 15%.

00:41:20.940 He wants to increase that to 15%, I believe.

00:41:24.440 So we're starting to see a lot of things that, again, you and I have talked about on a regular

00:41:28.920 basis.

00:41:29.400 Many of the people in our sphere have talked about a regular basis.

00:41:32.580 These things are working their way into the popular conversation.

00:41:35.920 They're not just things being talked about on the edges or things that, you know, internet

00:41:40.040 annons are noticing.

00:41:41.700 This has gone all the way up to senators, to guys running big organizations inside ConInc.

00:41:48.600 Like, this matters.

00:41:50.060 And so the fact that this is such an incredible optics victory for the right is huge.

00:41:55.620 Again, I wouldn't wish for the riot on any American city, but I think it's really moved

00:42:00.300 the Overton window in our direction.

00:42:02.980 Yeah, it certainly has.

00:42:04.500 But I think as with any sort of rhetorical shift, as we've witnessed over the last 10

00:42:09.880 or so years since Trump's come down the escalator in 2015, that, you know, all the things we've

00:42:15.220 talked about ranging from immigration to trade to actually putting America first, that the

00:42:20.640 pressure will still remain to make sure that these just don't become these little meme flash

00:42:24.940 points where the rhetoric gets said and then nothing gets done.

00:42:28.620 This administration has already done a lot more in the first, you know, six months than

00:42:32.180 it certainly did in the first, you know, I guess, two years really of its administration

00:42:36.620 in the first term, which I'm very happy with.

00:42:39.460 Congress, of course, is not really doing anything.

00:42:41.520 And I think that we kind of expected and saw that coming.

00:42:44.140 I know that there are a lot of legal and judicial barriers in the way of that.

00:42:47.520 But I mean, these talking points need to also be followed up by action.

00:42:51.200 And if it has to be incremental to get these things started, I'm all for it.

00:42:54.320 But we can't allow these things to simply just be, you know, memes or something that we

00:42:59.280 get to see.

00:43:00.080 I mean, there's a very sort of sassy kind of talking points that we see on Twitter.

00:43:05.760 Like I just noticed that the Department of Homeland Security just posted a spy kids gif

00:43:10.340 about wanting to deport some Asiatic men's, you know, fashion Twitter account for admitting

00:43:17.560 that he was an illegal immigrant.

00:43:19.060 I mean, that's cool.

00:43:20.140 But I really hope that they follow up with it because his takes are insufferable.

00:43:23.420 But not just that.

00:43:24.440 He's just because he's here illegally.

00:43:25.500 I think it becomes really important that, you know, the rhetoric and the memes and the

00:43:29.860 style of posting we're getting out of this administration has followed through with actual

00:43:32.880 action.

00:43:33.320 So to see these bellwethers move in that direction is an excellent sight to see where everyone's

00:43:38.380 kind of on board with, yeah, illegal immigration, zero net zero immigration moratorium.

00:43:43.880 Yes, we need to, you know, tax remittances.

00:43:46.400 Now we just need to see those things actually be put to law and to be actually enforced.

00:43:50.540 So this is a good sign for sure.

00:43:51.800 Let me ask you this, because there's been some some speculation on this, and I think

00:43:57.280 the answer should should be relatively clear, but there's a lot of argument online, as you

00:44:02.060 might imagine.

00:44:03.060 So there's been this debate as to whether the rights themselves are organic or whether

00:44:08.980 they're organized.

00:44:10.280 Now, we're fans of elite theory on this channel.

00:44:13.340 And so we know that at some level, every political action is going to be organized by a minority.

00:44:18.820 The organized minority is going to drive the actions of the disorganized majority.

00:44:23.420 Now, a lot of people have come out with threads.

00:44:26.600 I've seen local distance and data Republican big accounts on Twitter both come out and talk

00:44:32.800 about how, you know, local distance was talking about all these different tactics and how they're

00:44:38.680 organized and with Antifa and the different workshops that get put on about how to form the

00:44:43.500 right shield and the right formation and give the right answers and create the right attitude

00:44:48.900 and put yourself between police and force all these awkward organizations or confrontations

00:44:55.640 rather.

00:44:56.040 And then data Republican talked about all the different NGOs, many of which would receive

00:45:00.700 your tax dollars.

00:45:01.700 So, yes, the revolution is funded.

00:45:03.800 Yes, it's funded by you as well as foreign actors like, of course, George Soros.

00:45:07.920 Uh, and so, uh, there, there's been a lot of talk about how this is entirely, uh, manufactured

00:45:13.180 at the same time.

00:45:14.520 A lot of people want to make it clear.

00:45:15.960 Oh no, that, you know, these people hate the United States.

00:45:18.400 They specifically hate white Americans.

00:45:20.520 That's what this riot is about.

00:45:22.560 Uh, and I think the answer is of course, both, right?

00:45:25.560 Like, because these actions tend to be, have some kind of organic, uh, uh, political feel,

00:45:31.920 some kind of zeitgeist that they need to use to activate, but they're ultimately activated

00:45:36.780 and organized by these groups, by these organized minorities.

00:45:40.140 So it's a real anti-American, uh, uh, you know, anti-white sentiment, I think from many

00:45:45.620 of these protesters, uh, something that's been bubbling up racial animus that has existed

00:45:49.840 for a very long time in these communities that is then activated by these organizations,

00:45:54.720 these well-funded, uh, well-trained, uh, organized minorities that are going into these

00:45:59.300 communities and creating these scenarios.

00:46:01.680 But what's your read on the balance between, uh, kind of organization and organic, uh,

00:46:07.500 uprising when it comes to the LA riots?

00:46:10.380 It's definitely going to be a mix of both.

00:46:12.820 There have been numerous posters.

00:46:14.440 There have been numerous people affiliated with Antifa and other organizations that will,

00:46:19.240 you know, organize and make sure that guides and materials are put out.

00:46:24.020 I mean, just as we saw in 2020, someone's pulling out the, you know, the pallets worth of

00:46:29.020 bricks and other materials.

00:46:30.400 We saw people, uh, just with videos that have been posted gathering in certain locations

00:46:34.680 to get glass bottles and cloth and, you know, accelerant for fuel in order to create Molotov

00:46:40.500 cocktails.

00:46:41.020 And someone is dropping off, you know, shipments of fireworks and M80s and other things like

00:46:45.860 that.

00:46:46.180 So it's not necessarily to say that there isn't just cells of organized left-wing, uh, groups

00:46:51.960 in there.

00:46:52.300 But I mean, also let's face it, as, uh, Samuel P. Huntington had written in, in, uh, shortly

00:46:57.680 before his death, you know, that we have vast swaths of populations, they're Hispanic and

00:47:02.180 otherwise that don't assimilate, don't learn the language and engage in their own sort of

00:47:07.080 ethnic enclaves and their own culture completely separated and outside of sort of just the

00:47:12.140 mainstream, uh, American culture, economy, and ecosystem.

00:47:15.640 So you're definitely seeing a mix of both here where there is a unifying left-wing ideology

00:47:21.980 that is just anti-civilization, specifically Western, anti-Western and anti-white, and that

00:47:27.800 they'll happily side with various ethnic strangers on the streets of Los Angeles, uh, to get what

00:47:33.540 they want.

00:47:34.020 Because as I had mentioned earlier, and as we have observed really for our entire lifetimes

00:47:38.200 on this earth, uh, that the left is just anti-civilization and the left is anti-white

00:47:42.520 and then they will side with anyone that wants to get those goals accomplished.

00:47:45.940 That's why their coalition is as diverse ideologically and ethnically as it is, but they're all unified

00:47:51.120 under the destruction of the United States and by a large extent, Western civilization.

00:47:55.380 So I think that, yeah, there's probably a lot of NGOs and there are a lot of underground

00:47:59.100 sort of left-wing paramilitary groups that are doing things, but also there's just a lot

00:48:03.680 of people that view themselves as Mexicans or, you know, Hondurans or Guatemalans or whatever

00:48:09.440 first and wouldn't dare identify with the American flag or identify with anyone in this administration.

00:48:15.260 So it's really just a match made in heaven of organic ethnic resentment and these irredentist

00:48:20.380 attitudes. And then, you know, a bunch of rabid, you know, communist affiliated, uh, you know,

00:48:26.620 left-wing terrorists that finally got the, the moment that they were looking for to organize.

00:48:31.580 Let me ask you one more question because we've got quite a few super chats coming in. So we'll,

00:48:36.540 I'm sure we do real quick. Uh, but before we do, uh, one, uh, awkward, but noticeable, uh, dynamic

00:48:43.240 here, uh, is I've seen some black leaders, uh, uh, uh, uh, talk about how they will not be joining

00:48:49.200 in this one. They're going to sit this one out. And there's actually been a lot of leftist chatter.

00:48:53.260 They're actually, it's funny. They're arguing with each other that the black community is not

00:48:57.200 sufficiently taking on its duty in joining these riots. I'm sure some have, but in general, you

00:49:01.900 don't see large scale, uh, black organization inside these riots, uh, in the same way you did

00:49:07.340 obviously with BLM and others. Uh, and there's a dynamic where obviously like they feel betrayed

00:49:12.480 because they thought that we were a coalition and we all work together in the black communities.

00:49:16.140 Like, nah, this one's not about us. We're just going to say that out. Oh, but also, uh, I think

00:49:20.740 they're aware of the fact that the presence in the black community, whether people say this or not

00:49:25.300 out loud, the presence of black protesters changes the dynamic of the protest because all of a sudden

00:49:31.480 it receives kind of this holy shield of civil rights in the United States, right? Like all of a sudden,

00:49:37.060 if something happens inside the protest, uh, you're violating it's, it's, you know, black Americans are

00:49:42.360 the victims and it's an attack on civil rights and the black struggle in the United States.

00:49:46.820 It kind of provides a shield for the rest of, uh, the protest for the other protesters who may not

00:49:52.560 themselves receive this kind of, uh, plot armor, uh, yet, uh, the, that's being denied from the

00:49:58.420 protest this time. And that kind of gives you the feeling that if things did get kinetic, uh, you have

00:50:05.120 a little more leeway. The government could do a little more to push back against the protest

00:50:09.900 because it doesn't have, uh, this kind of, uh, holy shield of kind of the black community standing,

00:50:15.240 uh, between them. They're not, you're not going to get a lot of footage of, uh, you know, black men

00:50:19.940 being wrangled to the ground, uh, by national, uh, guard members or cops or whatever. Uh, at least

00:50:26.300 from what I can tell, this is something that is playing out on left-wing, uh, Twitter and left-wing

00:50:30.660 spaces right now. What do you think about that dynamic? Oh, well, I think it really just goes to,

00:50:35.700 um, illustrate the, the tense relationships between American black communities and, uh,

00:50:42.320 Hispanic communities in, in general. I mean, I remember, uh, Joe Biden speaking, um, in, in,

00:50:48.660 in 2020 that, uh, you know, he was, he was talking to, I think it was Al Sharpton. And if not,

00:50:53.960 it might've been earlier when he was still vice president that, you know, he has to find a way

00:50:57.680 for the black community to get along with the Hispanic community because eventually, you know,

00:51:01.400 he had claimed that whites won't be a majority for, you know, in the future and that those two

00:51:04.880 groups will have to get together. I mean, we can talk about, like I mentioned earlier, I mentioned

00:51:08.380 Compton, you know, I mean like in 1970, uh, African-Americans constituted 70% of the population

00:51:14.400 of Compton. Uh, and now in 2020, our last census, you know, 70% of Compton was of Hispanic or of

00:51:22.140 Central and South American origin there. Every time that those two groups kind of intermingle and meet

00:51:28.220 along each other, it usually leads to conflict and one pushing the other out. So I'm not really

00:51:32.760 surprised that the black community is sitting this one out because it is a coalition of groups that

00:51:37.300 have never really gotten along in general, despite sort of, uh, democratic and usually white liberal

00:51:43.340 leadership trying to force them to get along. I mean, they'll still vote Democrat either way

00:51:47.600 because that's how they get their, you know, patronage. That's how they get their cut, their

00:51:50.940 kickbacks and everything else. But what it means for those two groups and their respective

00:51:54.600 leadership to get involved, uh, this isn't their fight. And I think that a lot of black liberal

00:51:59.140 leaders know this, that in their own ethnic self-interest, it's best to sit this one out

00:52:03.120 because why would they try and support people that don't like them either? Yeah, no, I think

00:52:08.140 that is right. And again, I dynamic, a lot of people don't, don't recognize they look at the

00:52:13.040 democratic coalition and they say, Oh, it's one thing. It's this monolith. Uh, you know, it's all

00:52:17.640 the same thing. Uh, they've got it locked down, but actually there's pretty big tensions inside

00:52:22.360 that coalition and we can see them playing out right now. And the left is already in a dangerous

00:52:26.300 place, uh, when it comes to their coalition. So, you know, the more that can be exacerbated,

00:52:31.160 the more you can point out, uh, that these groups don't get along and they don't actually

00:52:34.800 care about each other. They don't actually work together unless they think they're pushing

00:52:38.480 back against middle America. That's something noticeable. It's something that you can both

00:52:42.700 help to educate, you know, your friends and family about it can shatter some of their

00:52:46.920 understandings of, uh, coalitions and racial relations in the United States. And it can also put

00:52:51.340 additional pressure on the left because they, I think are feeling this more and more. And honestly,

00:52:55.820 the more the contradictions of the left's coalition, uh, you know, end up, uh, crashing up against each

00:53:01.160 other, the better it is. I think ultimately, uh, for people who oppose them. So, all right, guys,

00:53:06.000 let's, uh, look at the questions of the people before we do, Mr. Prudentialist, where are some of

00:53:10.500 the best places for people to look for your work? Sure. You can find me on YouTube, Twitter,

00:53:15.400 and Substack, theprudentialist.substack.com. Uh, I will actually be live later this evening with my

00:53:21.280 co-host Dimes from the podcast Blood Satellite. I think you'd really like him as a guest, Warren,

00:53:24.960 and we'll be covering, uh, Christianity and Classical Culture by Charles Norris Cochran,

00:53:29.640 uh, going into the history of classical thought of Roman antiquity and Christianity's impact on it,

00:53:34.880 as well as the Roman Empire writ large. So, if you're interested in that kind of history and

00:53:38.620 philosophy, that's sort of the stuff I cover along with him on various books. But, uh, I also cover

00:53:43.140 all sorts of things regarding, uh, culture, digital media, as well as politics in a post-truth and digital

00:53:48.900 age. So, thank you always, Oren, for having me on. I greatly appreciate it. And just look anywhere where

00:53:53.240 you can find this lovely little amphibian right here, and you'll find me.

00:53:58.200 Absolutely. I can't imagine anyone watching this show isn't following the Prudentialist,

00:54:01.720 but if you have somehow made that mistake, you can always rectify that as soon as we're done with

00:54:05.880 the stream. Uh, Implar here says, uh, fascinating what mixing ketamine and Indian capital causes. Uh,

00:54:12.980 yes, uh, many, many charges on what Elon has been on. Uh, but it does feel like whatever he was doing,

00:54:18.840 uh, he's come off that bender and, uh, trying, trying to make some, some inroads yet again,

00:54:24.560 men, some of those fences. Uh, Darth Amalgamation says, at what point is lethal force justified?

00:54:30.660 Well, of course you have to be very careful, uh, in the writing, uh, when it comes to this type of

00:54:34.880 thing, this, this is what optics are built on. And this is also what protests, uh, are always counting

00:54:39.820 on, right? They, they are ultimately pushing towards that moment of state violence, hoping

00:54:44.600 that it sways people to their cause. Uh, not to say that that doesn't mean it isn't justified.

00:54:49.600 Obviously violent rioters should be put down. Uh, they should be at the very least detained,

00:54:54.480 uh, and, uh, and, uh, deported. And if necessary, they need to be stopped. Uh, especially if someone's

00:54:59.560 safety is, uh, at play, uh, we cannot allow these violent people to take over our streets. Uh, we've

00:55:06.040 already made that mistake. And I think it would be this make to allow that again, but of course

00:55:09.380 they have to be prudent. They have to think about, uh, you know, uh, what they're doing

00:55:12.880 because if they just rush in, uh, and, and try to, uh, end the violence, then I'll obviously

00:55:17.780 that can play into the hands of the people who wanted that to happen. If you do it incorrectly,

00:55:22.480 uh, Thimpler says the only thing that melted in the melting pot was the pot itself. Yes,

00:55:28.200 that is, uh, actually the plan at the end of the day. That's a good one. Uh, Mellon says

00:55:34.240 journos threatening riots in Philadelphia, front page of Philly mag. They want this on both

00:55:38.280 coast. Well, of course, right? Like again, this is what we saw with the Floyd riots. This

00:55:42.200 is what we saw with the BLM, uh, violence. They want it to spread. They want, and they,

00:55:46.520 they don't want it to just stay isolated to one community. Uh, they want to become this

00:55:50.580 network thing, uh, that flares up all across the country and stretches the Trump administration

00:55:55.360 thin, especially it's, it's much easier to respond to one flashpoint that it is to try

00:55:59.660 to handle a nationwide scenario. That's probably another reason that the Trump administration

00:56:03.440 is more willing to get involved this time, as opposed to last time where the violence was

00:56:08.040 spreading so quickly, that it was very difficult to see how you could deploy the national guard

00:56:11.720 to all of the places it was needed, uh, in any given moment. Uh, but that said, uh, I am absolutely

00:56:17.260 sure that you're correct, that they are looking to foment this same result elsewhere. Yeah. And

00:56:21.720 there's already been riots or some attempts to organize riots in Houston, Texas. I would not be

00:56:25.980 surprised if they try and foment one in another, uh, heavily diverse, uh, metropolitan area.

00:56:31.580 Yeah. Paladin YYZ says, I miss the McNeil

00:56:36.520 lay hair hour. Sorry. I'm unfamiliar with that. Uh, bring it back. Uh, Prude McIntyre,

00:56:41.360 8 PM central. Well, the good news is that Prudentialist is a regular guest on this show. So

00:56:46.040 I'm not sure about that dynamic, but you know, we will always be here delivering our best for you

00:56:51.880 guys. Uh, son of Hustera here with just the, uh, with the salute. Thank you very much. And the

00:56:59.560 donation, uh, Cosmo says sister soldier moment, uh, declined sacrifice the general for the primary.

00:57:09.940 Uh, Oh yeah. Cause they're not getting involved. I think it's also a good way to cut any support

00:57:15.860 that, uh, he might have in, in 2028. I think that that's another thing to consider with Newsom

00:57:21.440 because I think a lot of people were, we saw him with the podcast and everything, like he was trying

00:57:25.140 to pivot. He had Charlie Kirk on. I think he was trying to be the Democrat moderate solution and

00:57:30.480 things like that. But, uh, I think that this whole riot, you know, he can get his brownie points,

00:57:35.040 but I, he, I don't think the Democrats are, they're in such a feedback loop of ethnic grievances and

00:57:39.960 rioting that, uh, the coalitions are just like, I don't think this is our guy to, to go behind.

00:57:45.020 And I think that the black community in California has, has no love for everyone else who's rioting

00:57:50.340 either. Yeah. Uh, again, people forget these dynamics. They just, they just assume that this

00:57:56.100 is just a monolith. Uh, Robert Winesfield says, uh, did I miss something? Read Tim pool. Isn't he

00:58:01.080 one 100th, uh, lib turned acid right winger, or is there something else I'm missing? Uh, guys,

00:58:07.800 it's, it's just Tim. Like I said, I knew it would fire up the chat. Um, uh, but he was right about

00:58:13.280 this. And so I, you know, credit where he's due. He, he was correct about that dynamic. It's again,

00:58:17.820 well, we've talked about quite a bit, but glad to see a similar talking point picked up by a host

00:58:22.780 with a very large audience. Yeah. Broken clock on all that jazz. Sean Weiland says potentialist is

00:58:28.840 my favorite recurring guests. Yes. Many people are saying many people are. Thank you, Sean.

00:58:35.320 Alex says I'm surprised Russia and Iran aren't funding third world immigration to the United States.

00:58:39.680 Seems like an asymmetrical weak point for us. Well, I mean, they don't need to fund it because

00:58:43.440 we're literally doing it to ourselves. So like, I guess they could, but, uh, when, when the Biden

00:58:50.640 administration, it like goes out of their way to force 8 million people through the border as

00:58:54.780 quickly as possible while they're in power. I mean, what could Russia and Iran do? You know,

00:59:00.300 it's like the accelerationism question. Like how could you do any more of it than is already being

00:59:04.880 done now? What would that even look like? And I mean, they, they, they have other ways that they

00:59:09.000 can hurt the United States. I mean, I ran with the Houthis and shutting down, uh, you know,

00:59:13.660 a major international shipping lane that costs the United States millions of dollars. There are

00:59:18.920 other ways to do it. And I mean, if there's something that you're really wanting to look

00:59:21.660 into about like foreign powers, sort of fomenting this anti-American and sort of these ethnic

00:59:26.580 sentiments, just look at how much the Chinese government has invested into, um, you know, the

00:59:32.400 community of, of Central American and Latin American States, uh, as well as just, you know,

00:59:37.160 helping with intelligence sharing and getting, uh, in enrichment deals for mining various,

00:59:42.400 uh, minerals like the lithium triangle that's in South America. Uh, and like I had mentioned

00:59:47.000 earlier, you know, they get weapons from, uh, Soviet surpluses. They get stuff. I mean,

00:59:51.140 we saw that with operation fast and furious with Barack Obama, that guns that ended up in cartel

00:59:55.440 hands. And, you know, we've seen weapons and drones and intelligence from all sorts of foreign

01:00:00.360 power powers, including alleged allies doing the same thing. So a lot of stuff is happening that

01:00:05.320 just requires further research. Cooper weirdo says the vibe shift isn't happening guys. It's all

01:00:11.240 just a sigh up and a trick that, uh, they'll be, uh, turned around on us. Honest, the backpill

01:00:16.420 black pilled bedwetters. Well, and like Prudential has said, ultimately we do have to see talk,

01:00:21.700 create action. It's not enough to just make these memes. Don't get me wrong. I loved watching JD

01:00:27.020 Vance, you know, uh, uh, post the, uh, uh, who's the actor, uh, uh, uh, uh, Jack, uh, Nicholson doing

01:00:35.200 the grinning Jack Nicholson meme when someone suggested that they deport the, uh, Taylor guy

01:00:39.940 you were talking about earlier on the internet. Cause he admitted he was a legal alien. Like,

01:00:44.140 of course that stuff's very entertaining, but ultimately we do have to see action follow. Now

01:00:47.940 I do think we are looking at an administration that is trying to figure out how to make that work.

01:00:52.280 Uh, it's very complicated. It's very easy to play sideline, uh, quarterback on this, or, you know,

01:00:57.780 Monday morning quarterback on this. Uh, but these are not easy things to implement. Uh, they have

01:01:02.440 been made very difficult to implement for a reason. Uh, but, uh, I'll just echo, uh, kind of both

01:01:07.600 sentiments. Yeah. I think ultimately things are moving in our direction. I think this is a pop,

01:01:11.940 a positive optics moment for the right. I think this does enable a lot of discussions and introduce a lot

01:01:16.620 of concepts into the main, uh, sphere, whether it be legislatively or in the commentary,

01:01:22.180 period. Uh, but if we don't get it converted, if it doesn't turn into a touchdown, it doesn't

01:01:26.540 really matter, uh, how much, uh, that gets talked about. The playbook is not the same as the actual

01:01:31.280 result and we need to see the result. Yeah. You can have the most beautiful speech in the world,

01:01:35.500 but if you're still a beautiful loser at the end of the day, the talk is nothing.

01:01:39.320 Wise men said that once, uh, Alex said, uh, the cringe, uh, libertarians are cheering on the riots.

01:01:46.160 All right. Um, sorry, uh, prudentialists, but I'm going to have to rant now. So, uh, just give me a minute.

01:01:52.180 Yeah. So, uh, chase Oliver, uh, the guy, you know, the guy who wants to mutilate children,

01:01:57.440 loves open borders, you know, do as much, uh, cocaine or heroin in the middle of the street

01:02:02.220 as you like. No one, no one really cares that guy, uh, who became the nominee for the libertarian

01:02:07.540 party. He's out there basically cheering on the riots, hoping that ice agents get killed. Uh,

01:02:13.760 that that's who chase Oliver is as a human being. Uh, he's horrible. He's a horrible person.

01:02:18.180 And he was the candidate for the libertarian party. Now I pointed to this out online, right?

01:02:23.320 And, um, a lot of libertarians got very angry. Oh, chase Oliver. He's, he's not a real libertarian.

01:02:27.980 He's not what the real libertarians are. Well, let me tell you something guys, you know what,

01:02:32.220 for every one of you popping in my mentions to tell me that's not real libertarianism.

01:02:36.460 There was another guy with his anarcho-capitalist, uh, you know, uh, uh, PFP telling me that actually

01:02:42.400 that is real libertarianism. That open borders libertarian is the only form of libertarianism.

01:02:47.360 And honestly watching guys like Rand Paul and Thomas Massey right now, I think they might

01:02:53.620 be right. Okay. Now I'll let you guys squabble over what real libertarian is it libertarianism

01:03:00.100 is. I know that there are good guys out there. I like Dave Smith. I like the Mises guys that,

01:03:05.940 you know, they're, they're, they're, they still got their problems, but as libertarians go,

01:03:10.420 you know, they're, they're not as crazy. They're not open borders. They're not as nuts,

01:03:13.640 but you know what, if you would just call yourself something else, I'd really appreciate it because

01:03:18.500 your ideology is individualistic. Every one of you has got your own version of it. And so anytime you

01:03:23.800 point out a problem with libertarianism, the only response you get from a libertarian is never

01:03:27.980 anything of substance. It's never, Oh, here's the, here's where you're wrong. Here's how the

01:03:31.880 ideology actually works. It's just, Oh, well, that's not real libertarianism. Well, great. Cause

01:03:36.500 nothing is real libertarianism because everyone has your own version of libertarianism and you haven't

01:03:41.240 gotten together and agreed on what it is. So even if you point to the ideology that rules,

01:03:45.460 the actual libertarian party, even if you point out that chase Oliver was the real libertarian

01:03:50.560 candidate for the real libertarian party, it turns out that's not real libertarianism.

01:03:55.640 And you know what, that's fine. Cause I don't agree with like George W Bush and he was a Republican

01:04:01.580 candidate. I agree with Mitt Romney and he was a libertarian or a, a Republican candidate. But

01:04:07.260 ultimately, if you told me, Hey, your, your name is so mixed up with these guys that you need to

01:04:12.340 change it or something. I would agree with you. And in fact, I've written articles about why I

01:04:16.300 think conservatism as a label is a problem because it has all this baggage. And I still believe in a

01:04:21.300 number of the things that many conservatives talk about believing in, but the title itself holds you

01:04:26.960 back. And the same thing is true with libertarians. So if you're going to hold onto the libertarian thing,

01:04:32.060 please stop jumping in my messages and telling me that whatever the actual libertarian

01:04:37.020 party candidate is saying, isn't real libertarianism. Cause that's a problem, right? Like that makes it

01:04:41.980 incredibly difficult to engage you in any form of discussion. Maybe you should spend all of your

01:04:46.080 time getting rid of the libertarians who have your crazy insane ideas and are smearing it rather than

01:04:50.920 jumping around and try to scream at everybody who points out that libertarianism has some problems

01:04:55.320 because I'm pretty tired of it. I think our friend, uh, Dave Green had said at best that modern day

01:05:01.420 libertarians haven't read their own luminaries because, uh, boy, oh boy, there's a great article

01:05:06.960 from the Lou Rockwell report from like 1993, right before, uh, Murray Rothbard breathed his last was

01:05:13.580 about modal libertarians where libertarianism will just be used by a bunch of druggies who hate their

01:05:18.660 dads and don't want to go to church and want to just do all sorts of debauched, insane, crazy stuff

01:05:23.480 and call it in the name of Liberty. So, uh, yeah, no, I, I definitely feel with you in that regards

01:05:28.560 because there are a lot of modal libertarians out there that are speaking for, I think, a movement

01:05:32.800 that has a pretty rich intellectual history, uh, especially for a post-war conservative America.

01:05:37.860 And so, yeah, um, sorry, Rand Paul, Thomas Massey, and all the other libertarians out there. I think

01:05:43.120 that you got, uh, remove the plank from your own eye, please. We have bigger issues to deal with.

01:05:47.960 It's just one of those things where it's like, look, if you looked at me and you said,

01:05:51.080 Oren, conservatives get a bad name because of neoconservatives. And you know, that, that's a huge

01:05:55.080 problem. I'd be like, yes. And that's why we are purging them from the conservative movement as hard

01:05:59.400 as we can right now. Right? Like I would not tell you like, no, no, of course that's just not real

01:06:03.960 conservatism. Like, no, that is a problem in the movement. It's a real problem that has ensconced

01:06:08.380 itself and we got to dig it out. And if we don't, conservatism is a disaster, right? Like I would

01:06:13.800 just agree with you in pointing out this problem. I would not sit there and be like, Oh, how could you

01:06:18.200 dare to notice that these like absolute degenerates who like hate the country and want to destroy it

01:06:23.360 are a big part of our movement. No, I would be like, yeah, they are. And they need to go.

01:06:27.200 And that's what we're doing. Like that, that would be the focus, not running around and

01:06:31.100 correcting everybody and being like, Oh, it's not that bad. Like it, it just, it, it's infuriating.

01:06:36.560 All right. Uh, uh, uh, uh, you messaged me last time and Doug, uh, Wilson was able to correct the

01:06:44.540 pronunciation, but I'm not going to get it again this time. Uh, Fyad Sininja. I don't know. Sorry.

01:06:49.440 I don't know exactly how to pronounce it. Uh, it's time for Trump to just rip off the bandaid,

01:06:54.120 even if not the best optics. Well, you know, there is of course a certain level of opportunity

01:06:59.500 for Trump with that because ultimately he's not getting elected again one way or another.

01:07:03.840 So he doesn't have to worry about that, I suppose. Uh, but there still is just an, uh, you know,

01:07:08.800 a question of, uh, the ability to take the action. Remember that most congressional Republicans are

01:07:14.720 actually still not big on Trump. They're not going to back him. If you know, things come to brass

01:07:19.760 tax, same thing is true with a lot of GOP governors at this point, it's a question as to whether even

01:07:25.020 parts of the military would follow orders that Trump has given because they didn't when it came

01:07:30.880 to things like withdrawing from foreign wars and bragged about it later on. Now, obviously the fact

01:07:35.320 that Trump has mixed up the leadership in places like the DOD, uh, is really important. Guys like

01:07:40.900 Pete Hegseth obviously are chosen because they'll follow this type of orders. Uh, but it's always a

01:07:45.380 risky thing to engage in. And so I think that the Trump administration probably has the current plan

01:07:50.500 correct, contain the situation as much as possible. Uh, and in a while, a lot of ways, like I said,

01:07:55.420 this is a political victory for the Trump administration. They're getting a lot of political

01:07:59.380 capital off of what's happening here. So just running in and blowing up the situation as quickly

01:08:04.180 as possible, uh, is probably the only way to throw away that political capital. So something they need

01:08:08.780 to balance. Yeah. There's still a lot of work that needs to be done before the things that we were

01:08:13.680 just talking about this, like bellwether, this, this shift in opinion, uh, can be more mainstream

01:08:18.320 to not just by a few senators and a few congressmen. Yeah. We, you have Steven Miller getting out there

01:08:23.540 and saying the things you want him to say, but ultimately we're going to need more. Right. And

01:08:28.220 that's going to, that's going to mean that those opinions need to filter down to, uh, several different,

01:08:33.340 uh, sectors in order to be able to take a significant action. So hopefully that continues. Uh,

01:08:39.620 Posmo says, uh, blacks went from 17% in LA to 1980 in 1980 to 8% today. And yes, that's the dynamic

01:08:46.640 that Prudentialist was talking about, uh, that, that, uh, demographic shift. Uh, you know, we talk

01:08:51.840 about, about, uh, demographic shifts and how that, uh, impacts a lot of heritage Americans, but it also

01:08:57.620 impacts a lot of the black community. Uh, when they look at their power dynamic in these areas,

01:09:02.160 they don't like it either. Uh, and so, uh, as Prudentialist correctly pointed out, this is not a

01:09:06.820 monolith. This is a, uh, coalition that has a lot of fractures and a lot of tensions. Uh,

01:09:11.580 and the black Hispanic tension is just as real as many of the other ones that we've highlighted

01:09:16.160 previously. Correct. Philosophical thirstworm says me and my very Hispanic family have a group chat

01:09:23.500 where we've been having deportation tip competitions. My uncle is like five, uh, confirmed

01:09:29.640 deportations. Well, you know, the old joke, and I've certainly seen it as a lifelong Florida native

01:09:34.120 is, uh, the, the current, uh, immigrant always wants to be the last immigrant, uh, is always

01:09:39.300 looking to pull up the ladder and slam the door behind them. So, uh, in that capacity, you know,

01:09:43.900 God bless you and your deportation, uh, calls may they ever increase. Alex says, uh, has Newsom ruined

01:09:51.760 his two 2028 chances? He's trying to spend this positive PR. It's so cringe and fake. He's an actor.

01:09:56.620 Yeah. I think this is pretty devastating, honestly, for his, uh, chances he'll rise. His stock will rise

01:10:02.800 in the democratic party because, you know, he battled against Trump and whatever, but ultimately

01:10:08.040 his general election chances have to be hurt by this. If people look at what's happening in LA and

01:10:12.680 his inability to manage it, uh, it really is just the campaign commercials right themselves.

01:10:17.440 Uh, so I don't really see how you can't play endless pictures of Gavin Newsom standing by idly as,

01:10:23.300 uh, you know, uh, officers are assaulted. Ice agents are assaulted. Police precincts are, uh,

01:10:28.920 are attacked. Windows are broken. Cars are lit on fire. Uh, foreign flags are waved. Uh, the fact

01:10:34.800 that he won't take any significant action, I mean, it's pretty damning. Yeah. And I mean,

01:10:39.320 even as we've been on the air, apparently, uh, some Marines have been mobilized to 500 have been

01:10:44.500 mobilized to support the national guard. So, uh, we'll see what happens. Yeah. I had seen that that

01:10:50.120 number, uh, this morning was being, uh, bandied about, but I hadn't quite seen that it had been,

01:10:54.840 uh, activated yet. So if that's the case, then, uh, obviously, uh, a situation that is possibly

01:11:00.020 escalating there. Uh, Templar says the, uh, remind or reminder that, uh, elector votes are

01:11:05.820 counted by census and census counts illegals again. Yes. Something that is very true. Uh,

01:11:11.360 and people are very aware of, and this is part of the dynamic for legal immigration. You don't have

01:11:15.180 to amnesty all of them. You don't have to give them all the franchise. Uh, you are already

01:11:19.360 manipulating the dynamic by which our elections are resolved. And Posmo says libert, uh, libertarianism

01:11:27.520 is the only regime approved alternative to con Inc for a good reason. Yeah. And I got to say,

01:11:32.620 again, I know there are, you know, you've got your reason libertarians, you got your truly

01:11:36.940 regime libertarians, and then you have kind of more of your Mises caucus guys. I think there is a

01:11:42.140 difference. There is a difference worth noting, but ultimately, uh, I think a lot of libertarians are

01:11:47.520 starting to recognize this dynamic as well. That's why so many of our friends are actually

01:11:52.060 former libertarians who have made this journey. I hear from even more libertarians behind the scenes

01:11:57.320 who are making similar journeys. And I just think that ultimately the Mises guys are just going to

01:12:03.080 move. Uh, the, the, the true libertarians are just going to move because libertarian party itself

01:12:08.200 is so captured and so poisoned. Uh, and the popular understanding of libertarianism is just,

01:12:13.640 it's just not good. And so I think that they're starting to recognize that dynamic ultimately.

01:12:20.220 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up. Once again, want to thank the

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - June 09, 2025

The Trump-Musk Civil War and Insurrection in LA ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 6⧸9⧸25

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