The Auron MacIntyre Show - The TRUTH About How Diaspora Politics Shape America ｜ 4⧸29⧸26

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00:00:18.520 Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I am Oren McIntyre.

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00:01:04.580 something that I'm sure will not be controversial in the slightest. No one's going to get angry.

00:01:10.620 No one is ultimately going to be offended by this. It'll be just fine. I've had a lot of people ask

00:01:17.220 me to talk about this. I've been promising this episode. I wanted to put it together,

00:01:21.720 do a good job. But today I'm going to talk to you about diaspora politics, how different waves of

00:01:29.240 people coming in through immigration, especially mass immigration, how they can change the country,

00:01:35.020 how they can utilize their kind of ethnic solidarity coming in as a block from a foreign

00:01:41.380 country to alter the agendas of the United States and the different implications that that has on

00:01:48.420 everything from our domestic policy to our press, to our movies, and yes, to our foreign policy as

00:01:54.640 well. As a framework, I'm going to be using Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations, a book that

00:02:01.760 I think is really fantastic, something you should absolutely read. It has all kinds of important

00:02:08.320 things you need to understand about kind of our geopolitical situation, what happened after the

00:02:13.500 Cold War, why identities are shifting, alliances are shifting, why the global order is kind of

00:02:20.060 up in the air at the moment and American hegemony is being challenged. But it also gives us a great

00:02:28.080 understanding of domestic politics as well. He goes more into this in another book called

00:02:33.940 who are we uh one that is specifically about american identity but he has some great uh

00:02:39.000 discussions about diaspora politics in here and i think his framework will help us to understand

00:02:45.660 something that we've seen before we've seen played out uh but we might have a hard time explaining

00:02:51.980 we might have a hard time telling other people about this and i think that's the most important

00:02:58.120 thing when we're framing this issue is to find a calm constructive way to discuss a topic that can

00:03:04.660 be pretty incendiary that can be pretty touchy with people because uh one they often feel like

00:03:10.900 they're being attacked when you discuss the tactics involved in diaspora politics

00:03:15.220 they often feel as if you are trying to assign some kind of sinister motive to people

00:03:20.900 uh or some kind of lack of uh of loyalty and i want to lay out here the the thing that i think

00:03:28.320 is so important when we look at diaspora politics is it doesn't just apply to one people we can

00:03:33.700 probably think of and we will talk about trust me uh groups that are famous for their the impact of

00:03:40.120 their diaspora politics but i want to make it clear that what huntington is explaining here

00:03:45.820 and what we want to understand is a larger phenomenon that occurs over and over again

00:03:50.360 And not just in the United States, but in many other countries and not just with one group, but with pretty much all groups that ultimately kind of experience the set of circumstances that we're going to be talking about here.

00:04:01.220 So the first thing to understand about Huntington when he's discussing these ethnic diasporas is he's putting it into his framework of kind of geopolitical conflict.

00:04:16.020 You know, the book's name is Clash of Civilizations. And so you can probably understand his primary concern is trying to understand the world order after the Cold War. What does it look like, especially after the Soviet Union falls and the United States is kind of left as this sole superpower?

00:04:34.840 How do nations start to re-understand themselves? Because for Huntington, when you have this kind of post-Cold War consensus, you have this moment where, like, everybody used to be in this bipolar world.

00:04:53.740 you know you had two great powers the soviet union and the united states and they were different

00:05:01.060 ideologically they were different economically their geopolitical spheres of influence were

00:05:06.180 different and they were trying to force every country to pick a side you really had to be

00:05:12.780 you know first world which was america or directly american aligned second world which was of course

00:05:20.120 the soviet bloc and communists align or the third world which was like basically everybody else who

00:05:26.160 was more or less irrelevant to the conversation and even the third world countries kind of often

00:05:32.260 had to align themselves with one of the systems they had to be friendly to the capitalist west

00:05:37.920 or the communist uh you know uh soviet bloc and even if even when their governments didn't align

00:05:44.820 with that ideology oftentimes you would have you know monarchies backed by the americans or you

00:05:50.840 would have quasi-capitalistic societies backed by the soviets but ultimately you had to choose a kind

00:05:57.480 of a sphere of influence to fall under and this created a very strange dynamic where like basically

00:06:03.900 the organic identities of most of these countries were buried under this ideological abstraction

00:06:11.060 All of a sudden it was, I am aligned with America. I am aligned with the USSR, not here's the history of my people and my country and our beliefs and our organic understandings of how we should live in the world. No, you have to basically fit into one of these two systems.

00:06:27.340 And Huntington's kind of point in classes of the civilizations is after the USSR falls apart, famously, Francis Fukuyama, who was actually a student of Huntington, said that we were going to have this end of history, that that meant that America was going to be like the dominant force and American Western liberal democracy and capitalism were kind of like solved systems like we now.

00:06:51.300 okay this is the best government this is the best economic system the end and then everybody else

00:06:56.160 just has to figure out how to like fit inside it so this is the end of history there's no more

00:07:01.300 conflicts about you know what we should be doing economically what we should be doing politically

00:07:06.360 we've already reached the end of that and now we're just perfecting on it we're just iterating

00:07:11.140 on it content then had a very different view he said after the cold war yes america is left alone

00:07:16.920 But what happens is all these other countries want to reassert their identities now that they don't have to make a decision in this bifurcated world.

00:07:26.280 They want to reclaim the kind of their sovereignty, their understanding of who they are, because you no longer have to like side with America to keep Russia at bay or side with Russia to keep America at bay.

00:07:37.080 And so these people start to do what he calls modernization without Westernization, where you have these countries who are especially kind of in Asia trying to figure out how to become a more modern country, a country that can compete in the global marketplace, the global economy, that kind of thing.

00:08:00.340 But not be completely under America's thumb, not be completely Americanized, not becoming basically like just a satrap or a satellite of America, but learning to kind of accelerate your development while separating yourself from the kind of different global systems of control that the American empire kind of puts on people.

00:08:20.440 And so this like fracture creates a more of a civilizational understanding where instead of having this like two tone, you know, either you're capitalists or communists, you're American, you're team America or your team USSR.

00:08:34.780 instead what you get is like these civilizational blocks and in samuel huntington's construction

00:08:40.800 these blocks basically have like core societies core countries and nations that define most of

00:08:50.360 the block and then they have kind of these satellites that are around them they have these

00:08:54.580 that countries that are technically separate technically different countries but they're

00:08:59.360 plugged into the same systems they tend to have the same religions and languages oftentimes though

00:09:04.740 not always with the languages. They tend to have very similar economic systems or understandings,

00:09:09.440 this kind of thing. And that's what creates these civilizational regions, these civilizational

00:09:14.440 blocks. He really thought that religion was the key piece, that that was what defined so many

00:09:21.880 of these different civilizations and what they meant to each other and how they bound themselves

00:09:28.480 together. So I say all that to explain the role that diaspora politics can play inside Samuel

00:09:37.260 Huntington's framework. So in his framework, he thinks that most core civilizations are not

00:09:44.060 interested in direct clashes with each other. And I think we can see that, right? We know

00:09:49.200 that while America might fight a proxy war with Russia, maybe we'll fund Ukraine or Russia will

00:09:56.700 fight a proxy war by you know sending money to uh someone we're in conflict with you know trying to

00:10:03.300 mire us down and you know someplace ultimately we don't like going head to head with each other for

00:10:08.880 obvious reasons there are much bigger risks when those core nations go to war and so oftentimes

00:10:16.820 we see what he calls fault line conflicts uh where basically like low grade conflicts exist

00:10:23.900 in between civilizations but they're not bringing in enough of the main core nations to turn it into

00:10:32.660 a full-on like world war or a really important regional war and so there's these these constant

00:10:39.260 fault line conflicts happening in like minor territories of the civilization and what often

00:10:46.000 happens with those fault line conflicts is they start to draw in different parts of the

00:10:53.560 civilization people don't want uh obviously to just fight on their own they want to bring the

00:10:58.400 big boys on the table even though you know those coronations don't want to fight necessarily

00:11:02.960 and so these fault line conflicts in these smaller border skirmishes of civilizations

00:11:08.960 they slowly start to pull bigger bigger and bigger forces in and he explains the process

00:11:15.540 as again we start with that fault line conflict from that small nation somewhere and then what

00:11:21.980 usually happens is we get kin countries get get pulled in and the kin countries get pulled in

00:11:27.840 because they've had a long association with those nations they have often speak the same language

00:11:33.880 They have the same religion, as we spoke out previously.

00:11:36.920 They're more sympathetic to the people who are on one side or the other.

00:11:43.000 And over time, you move from just those kin countries that are starting to get pulled in and bring aid and that kind of thing into the conflict.

00:11:51.020 And you start to see the core countries get agitated to get more involved.

00:11:58.060 And the way that usually happens is through diaspora politics.

00:12:01.480 in a lot of scenarios people who were in these war-torn areas move out they move to some other

00:12:08.080 place they want to be in these countries that are constantly on these fault lines constantly in

00:12:13.880 these low-grade conflicts and so they'll move often in large numbers many times because of

00:12:18.940 the devastation that the wars in those areas are causing famines the droughts all these things can

00:12:23.840 of course uh be products of uh those those kind of fault line conflicts uh but sometimes for

00:12:31.000 economic opportunities. There are many, many reasons. But in a more traditional model,

00:12:37.140 this is where people flee to. Now, obviously, we've seen some updates since Huntington wrote

00:12:42.800 this. He, I don't think, had seen perhaps as much mass migration from different places as we are

00:12:49.680 seeing when we saw, obviously, the Arab Spring and kind of all of those people flood into Europe

00:12:54.620 after they fleed the devastation in the Middle East. That's a very different scenario because

00:12:59.400 they're not going to core nations inside their civilization they're not moving from one muslim

00:13:04.340 country to another uh and then agitating for that country to kind of come in and help them

00:13:11.180 in that conflict they're going to very different european historically christian nations that had

00:13:17.500 very little sympathy for their cause or their way of life or all this before and they're settling

00:13:22.000 there but we'll we'll get to that in a second the point is in in huntington's kind of classical

00:13:26.660 construction what happens is that you know these war-torn areas these fault line uh nations they

00:13:32.800 tend to have diasporas move into these core nations because they tend to be relatively similar

00:13:38.240 they have the same language same religion similar uh customs and and and that kind of thing and when

00:13:44.880 they settle there in large groups uh they start to build influence right uh one of the things that

00:13:51.580 is advantageous about this system is that the desire to bring core nations in the kind of those

00:14:00.700 core countries from the civilizations in is often a moderating influence believe it or not on these

00:14:06.060 conflicts because the larger nations don't want to go full scale they feel the pull the diasporas

00:14:14.120 are begging them to get involved they say we have we we need your help you know we share some form

00:14:19.720 of civilization, some form of value, some history together. We need you to intervene. But normally

00:14:27.420 these countries ultimately do not want to go all the way in. Now, this is going to be a mixed example

00:14:33.220 for, I think, what will be obvious reasons. But when we look at the Iran war, several times,

00:14:39.580 Israel has wanted to go much, much harder in the paint. They've wanted to continue to bomb things 0.95

00:14:44.780 that we wanted them to stop bombing. They wanted to expand the conflict in ways we've told them

00:14:48.720 we don't want them to expand it. They bombed energy fields that we told them not to. They

00:14:54.100 expanded into Lebanon. They've done all these things that the United States does not want them 1.00

00:15:00.080 to do. And they've kind of stopped because we've asked them to stop. Now, there's a much larger

00:15:04.320 issue, which again, we'll get into, don't worry, about Israel in that war. But the point is,

00:15:09.460 you can see that dynamic played out just in recent events, that America is the core country

00:15:16.300 in this scenario. We are the country that has the big weight, the big civilizational anchor,

00:15:22.760 and Israel is the fault line. They're out there in the Middle East. They're clashing constantly, 1.00

00:15:27.140 and they have a large diaspora in the United States. And so there's this constant ask for

00:15:32.440 us to get involved. And I think more often than we should, we have. However, you can see at some

00:15:37.820 level that moderating influence on Israel. And if you talk to Israelis, you will often, especially 0.76

00:15:43.800 you know like really ardent israeli nationalists you'll hear them complain about the golden

00:15:48.340 handcuffs about the fact that america yes they pay for our armed forces and they basically make

00:15:55.100 all this for adventurism possible however our reliance on on america keeps us from doing what

00:16:01.400 needs to be done we're constantly being restrained by america we're having to deal with different

00:16:05.220 administrations and some of them will let us do more and some of us will let us do less and we're

00:16:09.220 a sovereign nation we should just be able to go out and do whatever we want and again as weird

00:16:13.600 as this is going to sound to many American nationalists, many Israeli nationalists legitimately

00:16:18.300 believe that the relationship with the United States, this kind of like diaspora core versus

00:16:26.320 fault line civilizational kind of back and forth is actually bad for Israel because it binds them

00:16:33.000 into this agreement. It restricts them from doing what they need to do and go as far as they need 0.63

00:16:38.080 to go in their wars. And again, you can feel however you want about that. The point is that

00:16:43.520 huntington is accurately explaining a dynamic that we can view and we always want to do that

00:16:47.940 we always want to take our theory and apply it how can we how can we prove this how can we better

00:16:53.180 understand if this really maps onto the world around us and i think we can see from these

00:16:58.860 examples uh though they might be imperfect that ultimately this is a reproducible um uh kind of

00:17:06.860 thing that we see over and over again and so we can we can kind of trust some of the theory behind

00:17:10.980 it all right so how do diasporas form well obviously there's a couple ways

00:17:16.100 one is just the natural movement of people right um you know there there have been entire

00:17:24.120 major civilizations wiped out not because there was some kind of nefarious attempt to undermine

00:17:29.780 you know the character of the people or because there was some kind of cabal of foreign influences

00:17:36.340 attempting to ultimately undermine everything they're doing, but simply because a large

00:17:42.320 amount of people moved in who were very different from them and they couldn't stop them.

00:17:45.920 So for instance, Rome was constantly dealing with this problem with the Goths and the Vandals 0.57

00:17:50.680 that even if those peoples weren't necessarily, and sometimes they were, sometimes they were 0.84

00:17:57.220 warring on Rome intentionally, but in some cases they simply were pushed out of the land

00:18:03.460 they had been in previously by other groups that were migrating other wars and so they end up

00:18:09.380 getting pushed into the roman empire so even though they like weren't planning on invading 0.51

00:18:14.160 necessarily even though there was again no like arch ethnic cabal to make sure the goths swept in

00:18:19.800 and took over rome in many cases the fact that they were you know facing famine they were facing

00:18:25.520 war they were facing other peoples who were coming into their tribal areas and taking over

00:18:31.960 meant that a lot of these people then got flushed into the roman empire and there were so many of

00:18:37.920 them so so you know simultaneously and they weren't spread out that you'll you'll notice

00:18:43.400 that theme a lot we'll be talking about that a good bet they weren't uh dispersed in the roman

00:18:48.440 empire they were allowed to congregate they were allowed to build uh settlements and and communities

00:18:53.260 that were just like all their people and because that happened like often you had a scenario where

00:19:01.360 like these waves of immigrants gain more and more power inside the society to the point where like

00:19:07.200 the roman uh you know army ended up being mostly foreign it had a lot of foreigners in it because 0.97

00:19:13.780 the romans didn't want to fight very much anymore which is its own social sickness but because kind 0.95

00:19:18.260 of these new barbarians were filling up so many of those positions and gaining so much of a foothold 0.89

00:19:24.300 inside the empire. All right. So that's one way you can get that. Now, the other one is, of course, 0.99

00:19:33.140 the classic devastation model, right? Like we talked about, you know, people in these fault

00:19:38.640 line countries are usually facing war. They're usually facing famine because of war. But you

00:19:44.140 can think of, you know, obviously like the different places where people are going to war

00:19:49.900 and they rented America as refugees, but you can also think of massive Irish immigration into the

00:19:57.680 United States due to the potato famine. There's no food in Ireland, so there's no point in staying 0.97

00:20:03.180 here. Large chunks of the Irish population all moved simultaneously into the United States 1.00

00:20:10.960 to avoid that disastrous situation. These countries are already up against it. They're

00:20:18.500 already having a hard time and then a lot of their people move into the same country and those people

00:20:23.580 naturally bond together again we'll talk about that more in a second and then the final way that

00:20:29.460 you get diasporas and we're seeing more and more of this this is this is becoming an increasingly

00:20:34.380 intentional design is the diaspora as a weapon the diaspora as a way to leverage your power abroad

00:20:45.740 And this often happens when a country is having an excess population and they don't know what to do with them. 0.83

00:20:53.840 Or in a scenario where, for instance, like all the first generation, the first born sons of a country, like they get their inheritance, they get their roles, but all the second and third and fourth sons, they don't.

00:21:08.100 And they have to go out and do something for themselves.

00:21:10.300 So you can think of, for instance, the British and their colonization. 0.80

00:21:15.020 Now, colonization isn't exactly the same thing as diaspora politics, but you understand that, like, a large function of the British Empire was simply that there was too many, you know, young men who could not find a way in the traditional sense in the U.K.

00:21:30.740 They were not the first son. 0.53

00:21:32.460 They were not going to be handed down all the benefits of the family estate and the business and all those things.

00:21:38.260 And so they had to go conquer something in America or in Australia or in Canada.

00:21:44.240 They had to make their fortune somewhere else. They had to make their name somewhere else. And so the British Empire created this like constant need to send like younger, you know, second, third, fourth sons out into the world so that they could, you know, do their own thing.

00:22:01.180 But we see it more intentionally in places like India. Like India has a massive excess population that it has no hope of ultimately taking care of. China is, you know, in a not exactly the same situation, but that has similar dynamics at times. 0.95

00:22:19.000 And so India is very conscious, chunk conscience of the fact that when they send out these large chunks of Indian immigrants, that is a way for them to garner support, to garner a foothold in these other countries where they are sending their people to.

00:22:36.580 By having a large community in America or in Canada or these other countries, they can exert influence. They can lobby. They can obviously gain wealth. We understand that a lot of our illegal immigrants are sending money back to their country, that kind of thing.

00:22:53.360 But it's not just the money that they're funneling in. It's also just the manpower, the people, because once you have these communities built up together, then you have a moment where, you know, they can have this like ethnic solidarity.

00:23:09.000 They can create these blocks that ultimately allows them to, like, wield a large amount of political power and they can, you know, create favorable deals for their home country, maybe trade deals or, you know, direct aid in a foreign conflict.

00:23:24.260 Like, these are not unintentional consequences.

00:23:28.540 Like, these are thought through.

00:23:30.040 These are planned.

00:23:31.440 These are factored in when a lot of people are being sent across, you know, to move into these countries.

00:23:39.000 Ancestry.com

00:24:09.000 All right. So I want to read just a section of the book here, The Clash of Civilizations.

00:24:21.720 And I want to just give you an idea of the diaspora as an asset.

00:24:27.240 Like, how does Huntington describe this?

00:24:30.200 Now, Huntington in this chapter is in the middle of explaining kind of the clash between Armenia and Azerbaijan

00:24:36.780 uh and how like this is constantly being played out in with both countries having a good amount

00:24:43.160 of kind of diaspora influence so i'm just going to read a paragraph or two here from class of

00:24:49.840 civilizations he says apart from russia armenia's major source of support was was its large wealthy

00:24:56.940 and influential diaspora in western europe and north america including roughly 1 million armenians

00:25:03.520 in the United States and 450,000 in France. They provided money and supplies to help the

00:25:08.940 Armenians survive the Turkish blockade. Officials for the Armenian government and volunteers for

00:25:14.760 the Armenian armed forces. Contributions to Armenian relief from the American community

00:25:19.500 amounted to from 50 million to 75 million a year in the mid-1990s. The diasporas also

00:25:28.620 exercise considerable political influence with their host governments. The largest Armenian

00:25:33.840 communities in the United States are in the key states like California, Massachusetts,

00:25:38.820 and New Jersey. As a result, Congress prohibited any foreign aid to Azerbaijan and made Armenia

00:25:45.160 the third largest per capita recipient of U.S. assistance. This backing from abroad was so

00:25:52.420 essential to Armenia's survival and appropriately earned it the nickname the Israel of the Caucasus.

00:25:59.160 Just as the 19th century attacks on the northern Caucasus generated the diaspora that helped the 0.88

00:26:05.320 Chechens to resist the Russians, the early 20th century Turkish massacre of the Armenians produced

00:26:12.160 a diaspora that enabled Armenians to resist Turkey and defeat Azerbaijan. All right, so there he's 0.51

00:26:19.480 laying out in a probably a dynamic that's a little easier for people to hear um the story of diasporas

00:26:26.100 uh repeatedly occurring across human history that when you have like this large force come in and

00:26:34.380 flush so many people out of their home area in azerbaijan you create these diasporas that then

00:26:41.280 when they move into other countries they don't forget like they don't change entirely they 0.86

00:26:47.940 often do some level of assimilation. They do become part of their communities at some level,

00:26:52.680 but they always remember where they came from. And we can actively see that Armenia,

00:26:58.260 not a country most people would normally jump up and note when they think about foreign influence

00:27:03.600 in the United States, actually wielded a surprising amount of power, commanding tens of

00:27:09.020 millions of dollars on a regular basis, altering our foreign policy and having a serious influence

00:27:14.600 on the conflict here and obviously you see that he draws the direct connection to israel now again

00:27:20.960 hunting is not a radical he's not some crazy guy is a very middle of the road harvard professor uh

00:27:27.120 you know and not one of the like insane you know woke ones that this is well before there was you

00:27:31.900 know this giant you know culture of uh pro-palestinian support in uh the ivy leagues uh he's

00:27:38.880 just drawing what is the obvious thing that israel also does this that they have a major diaspora

00:27:44.520 in the United States, that obviously influences much of what happens when it comes to our foreign

00:27:50.880 policy and our distribution of goods and in some cases, even our domestic policy. And so

00:27:56.880 the thing that you want to look at here is what creates the diaspora, right? There are plenty of

00:28:05.860 people who move from one country to another, but what is it that makes it a specific, like ethnically

00:28:11.560 coherent diaspora as opposed to like just random individuals coming into the country and the big

00:28:17.780 thing is really uh twofold it's volume and uh staying together right so individuals who come

00:28:27.200 into a country from another country and are surrounded by people who speak a different

00:28:32.840 language have a different religion have a different way of life they only have two options 0.99

00:28:37.160 They can kind of get sick of this and go home, or they can learn to become more like the

00:28:44.900 people that they have moved in with.

00:28:46.580 They can, as we say, assimilate.

00:28:48.260 Now, some people say, well, no one ever totally assimilates or something, but I don't think

00:28:52.580 that's true.

00:28:53.100 I think over a long enough timeline, even if you personally don't assimilate your children

00:28:57.640 and your grandchildren, I do think they blend eventually into the country for the most part. 0.56

00:29:02.020 If you have this dynamic where you're an individual surrounded in just a sea of people who are all different from you, you simply cannot survive by maintaining your difference when everyone is different from you.

00:29:14.060 You have to assimilate.

00:29:15.960 You have to blend in.

00:29:17.320 However, when a large number of people come in at the same time, it's not the same pressure, right?

00:29:23.440 because you have these people around you who do remember the homeland, who do share those

00:29:29.600 languages, those religions, those customs, those folkways, right? And if they come in

00:29:35.360 and they stay together, now you have a very different dynamic. Before the Romans were kind

00:29:40.780 of overrun by foreigners, they actually did an okay job at mixing up immigrants that came in.

00:29:46.660 Not always, but there were several times where large waves of immigrants came in and there was a 0.96

00:29:52.500 conscious effort to break apart those communities and spread them out so that there was not tens or 0.90

00:30:00.820 hundreds of thousands of people from a foreign country suddenly all living together in the same

00:30:05.480 place doing something different. And that's good. It's not perfect, but at least increases the 0.96

00:30:11.260 likelihood that those people will eventually assimilate, that they will eventually change

00:30:15.560 their way of life to become more like you. However, when large numbers of people come in

00:30:20.960 and they all stay together in the same area, they create what we call an ethnic ghetto. 0.94

00:30:26.900 And that ethnic ghetto allows people to continue to live in their culture, even though they've 0.85

00:30:32.220 left it. 1.00

00:30:33.260 Now, we've all seen this, of course, but it's become more and more clear with the mass waves 0.95

00:30:41.000 of immigration of the last 20 years that the ethnic ghettos in the United States are becoming

00:30:45.780 pretty severe problems. 0.60

00:30:47.100 We have entire groups of Haitians or entire groups of Somalis or entire groups of these other countries that come in that are radically different. 0.95

00:30:55.480 People who don't speak the language. They often don't share their religion. They have no conception of the American way of life.

00:31:04.620 And they just get dropped by the hundreds of thousands into these small towns. And what happens? Well, they can live all in the same place.

00:31:12.620 Usually they're being subsidized by the government, but even if they aren't, like they all just work for each other in the same area, they keep speaking the same language, they keep only interacting with each other, and that means they never lose that connection to the foreign land, right?

00:31:30.240 They never lose the connection to the soil they left, even though they're in a different

00:31:34.340 place.

00:31:34.800 They've basically taken the nation with them because ultimately a nation is its people.

00:31:39.160 It's not a set of borders.

00:31:40.320 It's not even a set of ideas.

00:31:41.800 A nation is its people.

00:31:43.320 And so if you move like a vast amount of people from one country into another and you allow

00:31:47.900 them to stay together and see themselves as one people, they will not become part of the

00:31:53.360 country they've moved into.

00:31:54.340 They will maintain their otherness, right? 0.98

00:31:56.620 Like that is what ethnic ghettoization allows for. 0.94

00:32:00.240 And so I think it's really critical for people to understand that it's not impossible to have individuals assimilated into the country, but it is impossible to bring large amounts of people in without creating this diaspora dynamic. 0.77

00:32:14.420 And this is something that we've seen many times in the United States. It's not new, right? We had large chunks of people come into the United States in different waves of immigration.

00:32:26.440 and in some cases we did a decent job of you know spreading them out in some cases we didn't 1.00

00:32:32.000 and whenever we didn't you can see these ethnic ghettos form if you look at the united states it 0.93

00:32:39.240 took us a while to incorporate some groups that we now think of as pretty normal like the germans 0.66

00:32:45.460 were pretty clannish and would not uh you know in many cases when they came over would not change

00:32:51.440 their language they would continue to live in the same area um obviously you've seen like you know

00:32:56.900 the different parts of the midwest and other areas are like dutch or you know like they have these

00:33:01.740 there are these specific like ethnic overtones in those communities now the good news is that 0.94

00:33:07.400 we've kind of had them here so long that they've more or less faded into the american tapestry

00:33:13.740 like if you aren't from those areas if you head up to those areas you might suddenly discover that 0.78

00:33:19.780 it seems different it feels like it has a different ethnic makeup still kind of simmering

00:33:24.420 on the surface but those people don't think of themselves as dutch or german really anymore they

00:33:29.840 think of themselves as americans who might have had ancestry from these other countries but at

00:33:34.460 the time when those people moved in and they had those large uh speaking uh you know uh uh groups

00:33:41.580 and they had like religions and they might have been christian but they were like specifically

00:33:45.520 their ethnic version of Christianity. And so you like see those, the communities cling together

00:33:51.860 much tighter. And when that's the dynamic you have, it creates this diaspora effect. Because

00:33:58.100 again, those people have not forgotten, you know, kind of the differences that they had before they

00:34:04.760 came here. And they still have a high degree of interest in what's going on back in their home

00:34:09.780 country. The other thing you want to think about is, of course, like the penetration of

00:34:21.020 foreigners into your elites. Now, a lot of people will say, well, what we don't want is this like 0.99

00:34:27.080 low IQ mass immigrants, illegals coming in from, you know, these Venezuela or Guatemala or whatever 1.00

00:34:35.440 and or haiti like that's not what we want but what we do want is like high iq uh you know 1.00

00:34:43.160 elite people from foreign countries that's fine that legal immigration that like h1b uh you know 0.78

00:34:49.760 we're going to bring in all the smart people and they're going to be computer engineers or whatever 1.00

00:34:52.720 that's what we want and that's wrong for two reasons one you are assuming that you will

00:35:00.200 continue to select only for ability, which isn't true. And we're seeing this with the Indian 0.86

00:35:05.940 diaspora right now. So for instance, at first, when you start bringing in like the best of the

00:35:13.020 best computer engineers or whatever from India, you are really getting like a cognitive beachhead

00:35:19.140 into your country. These people are smart. They are high IQ. Like they wouldn't have gotten across

00:35:24.500 the first step of this if they weren't intelligent however once they're here they start to lobby

00:35:31.720 they start to take over different areas they start to take over and favor their own people 0.67

00:35:38.820 when they come in and so now that 130 iq uh you know indian guy who came in to work on your

00:35:46.420 engineering well now he's running the hiring process and okay maybe his cousin isn't like 0.99

00:35:51.720 120 IQ maybe he's like 98 but close enough and he can do the job that you know those white

00:35:58.340 Americans were doing beforehand so you bring that guy in and then that guy he you know he's married

00:36:03.520 to his wife who's like you know 85 IQ and her family is like you know high 70s and and they 0.73

00:36:10.820 start coming over that you know the birthright citizenship and the anchor babies and chain

00:36:15.220 migration and all of a sudden that like idea that you're just going to bring in the smartest people

00:36:21.200 from an area didn't work because those smartest people immediately started caring more about their

00:36:27.520 own people, the ones they never really left, the ones they never really assimilated away from,

00:36:32.080 more than they care about the country they've moved to. And so they start building these ethnic

00:36:35.720 ghettos inside the structures of your society. But it gets worse because also once you have that 1.00

00:36:42.680 elite penetration, they start working into all these other aspects of your country, your government,

00:36:48.920 Right. And so you have this moment where, you know, if you had a bunch of low IQ people coming in, a bunch of people who are just doing like menial jobs, that can still be dangerous.

00:36:58.960 Like those people still vote. They still, you know, get together in groups. 0.65

00:37:03.020 They still have ghettos and they still like just, you know, with like biomass have some level of influence in your society.

00:37:10.200 but when you get to the point where you have these elites coming in you have these smart people 0.95

00:37:14.820 coming in they actually are more dangerous if they're still loyal to their country because now

00:37:19.120 they're in charge now they're in your elite class and they're lobbying for the interests

00:37:23.220 not just you know by hoping that some politician offers them some level of welfare but literally

00:37:29.900 these are the people running your companies these are people running your law enforcement agencies

00:37:33.820 these are the people running your universities these are the people running your foreign policy

00:37:37.400 And all of a sudden, that ethnic diaspora is not just, you know, getting some kickbacks from a local politician or making sure that they own all of the grocery stores or all of the, you know, gas stations in your area. 0.71

00:37:50.640 They're literally pushing their ethnic preferences inside your country's highest levels.

00:37:57.760 Like they are operating the organizations that define the role and the mission of the United States. 0.72

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00:38:29.380 I mean, look, you don't have to be a genius to figure this out.

00:38:39.140 And once you start looking at it, it kind of unlocks a lot of things.

00:38:42.700 You know, we look at America as this like clash of ideologies.

00:38:46.560 You know, we're in the public square.

00:38:48.820 We have the marketplace of ideas and we're all working out, you know, what the best ideas are and that's what wins.

00:38:54.440 And a lot of times you're sitting there saying, well, the best idea didn't win at all.

00:38:57.380 What happened?

00:38:57.840 And the dynamic you're missing, the piece that's operating underneath the surface, the piece that is manipulating the system and making sure that it lands on certain outcomes that aren't necessarily the most logical or the best argued or the most reasonable, is ethnic politics.

00:39:13.220 It's the fact that actually not everyone involved in the game is looking to achieve the same goal.

00:39:19.080 They aren't actually just looking for the best outcome for America.

00:39:22.140 Now, this isn't to say that people probably actively declare themselves agents of some foreign power.

00:39:28.740 In many cases, they probably think of themselves as loyal Americans, but they still have an affinity for their homeland.

00:39:34.740 And you can get that right.

00:39:36.240 Like, look, I'm an American.

00:39:37.860 My entire family has been in the country since like the 1790s.

00:39:42.520 OK, but we still came from the UK.

00:39:44.680 And I can't lie that I still have an affinity at some level for England.

00:39:49.860 Like, I care about what happens in that country in a way that I don't care so much about other countries, because I can feel some level of connection there. And again, my family's been here since, you know, basically like the founding of the country. And yet there's still that tie, like there's still that understanding that I should care something about what happened to the country where, you know, my people came from.

00:40:12.740 And so when we're looking at that, and that's hundreds of years in the rearview mirror, you can totally understand it's only natural that people who are only 15 years removed from that process or even a second or a third generation still feel that.

00:40:27.980 And so if you're trying to figure out why we go to war with Russia when our State Department is full of people from Eastern Europe and we want to go to war with Cuba and Venezuela when our Secretary of State is Cuban, again, like, you don't really have to be a rocket scientist. 0.52

00:40:47.680 Like, it's not that these things aren't necessarily in America's interest.

00:40:51.420 Like, I'm sure a non-hostile Cuba would be good for the United States.

00:40:54.660 I'm sure a non-hostile Venezuela is good for the United States.

00:40:57.520 but you can understand why all of a sudden those countries in particular

00:41:01.680 become like extremely important. Right.

00:41:04.900 And we can also see like the same impact when it comes to something like the

00:41:10.440 war in Iran. So I made this thread on, uh,

00:41:14.760 on Twitter and I'm just going to kind of explain it to you. Uh, you know,

00:41:17.900 when I broke it down and again, somewhat controversial,

00:41:20.660 but like we got to talk about this stuff.

00:41:23.080 We don't really have an option anymore. So here we go.

00:41:27.520 All right. So a lot of people are trying to figure out, especially with like the kind of split intention that the Iran war has created inside kind of the conservative movement, what's going on here? Because a lot of people are noticing that like Catholics and Protestants have had, especially evangelicals, Catholics and evangelicals in particular, have had this flare up, like the showdown recently on places like Twitter.

00:41:53.600 and they're trying to figure out why because like obviously we're battling against all kinds of

00:41:58.260 stuff right now and it seems like christianity is really um taking a beating in many ways and

00:42:05.380 why wouldn't all these christians just come together and work together that would make sense

00:42:09.620 right natural allies let's be ecumenical let's kind of glue this thing back together yes we

00:42:16.300 understand that like protestants and catholics have been you know at some level of conflict for

00:42:21.340 quite a long time in some cases very bloody and serious conflict but that tends to be in the past

00:42:26.520 we tend to see less and less of that and more christian unity at least at some level of

00:42:30.760 understanding so so why is this suddenly flaring up the way that it is like what's happened here

00:42:36.460 and so i think the thing that people need to understand is the kind of way that the ethnic

00:42:44.080 politics have played out behind the scenes to generate this conflict uh now this is just a

00:42:50.260 a brief overview uh obviously like you can and probably should write like many many books about

00:42:56.100 this uh but we don't have time for that we're doing uh you know an episode on youtube and

00:43:00.720 podcasts so we kind of have to condense this a little bit so if i if i'm giving you the broad

00:43:05.780 strokes here if you're like oh no there's there's this thing that happened that's a little different

00:43:09.560 and you're right i'm sure and i you know i've already carved out some of those uh things when

00:43:15.000 when i first you know kind of floated this idea but uh you know understand that i just can't get

00:43:19.420 to everything. So America was primarily founded by Anglo-Saxon Protestants, right? Like they came

00:43:28.680 over from England. There's a lot of English dissenters who came over. And, you know,

00:43:33.720 basically it's a bunch of like religious fundamentalists from England is kind of what 0.73

00:43:38.340 created the United States. Trump just had, you know, the King of England over. He was talking

00:43:44.500 about, I think what was actually a really great speech, how Anglo-Saxon heritage was key to the

00:43:50.660 United States and the identity of the United States. It was actually really nice to hear Trump

00:43:54.340 acknowledge that and to not be afraid of that. That's one of Trump's greatest strengths. And I

00:44:00.060 applaud him for doing that. And so that was the foundation of the United States. Now, Catholics

00:44:06.580 were here from the beginning. Of course, you probably know that Maryland at some point was

00:44:10.340 like carved out for catholics didn't work out so much and they ended up switching back over to

00:44:14.320 protestantism but we can't say that catholics like weren't part of the american fabric it's

00:44:18.540 just that obviously america was dominated by protestantism and that stayed kind of the

00:44:25.040 predominant uh cultural influence on the united states for a long time however over time we

00:44:31.980 started to get uh these different waves of immigration we started to see large immigration

00:44:37.240 from many places that were very different from the English Isles. We started to get more Eastern

00:44:43.420 European immigration. This is why we got a large amount of Catholic immigration and a large amount

00:44:48.840 of Jewish immigration into the country. And when that happened, there started to be ethnic tension

00:44:54.600 because while there had been different forms of Protestantism and like there was kind of this

00:44:58.480 detente with the First Amendment and, you know, we're not going to have an official Protestant

00:45:03.120 church will let people make their own decisions inside of Protestant Christianity. In general,

00:45:07.680 it was kind of understood that that was like the background. You could be any flavor of

00:45:12.220 Protestant you wanted. That was what religious liberty meant to kind of the founders in most

00:45:18.440 scenarios. And so you have this introduction of these other faiths. Now, obviously, Catholicism

00:45:25.320 is still Christianity, so it's different, but it's related. You can kind of get along with it,

00:45:30.460 But there is this tension. And, you know, these people coming in from places like Ireland and Italy, they tended to form ethnic ghettos, right? Like most of them came in to the big cities. That's usually where immigration occurs because it's already established. It's already got, you know, housing and jobs. And that's what immigrants are looking for when they come over.

00:45:51.340 and they come in through these ports that are usually the most heavily traveled and they don't 1.00

00:45:55.240 have a lot of money to like go deep into the country or like forge some other you know way

00:45:59.640 forward and so they kind of just get off at the easiest access point and immediately go into the

00:46:03.640 biggest metro area and start working and so you saw a lot of uh irish and italian uh you know

00:46:09.900 neighborhoods blow up in places like new york and if you've ever seen gangs of new york obviously

00:46:15.040 like that's a dramatization but it's not completely inaccurate as to like how those tensions

00:46:20.540 unfolded like all of a sudden you have these irish guys and these italian guys and they're

00:46:25.820 coming in and they're doing you know jobs for less you know if any of the sounds familiar you 1.00

00:46:31.980 know they they uh have have a different kind of religion it's kind of weird and different uh you

00:46:37.400 know they have these memories of the homeland they still have some loyalty to it uh in case of

00:46:42.120 italy like obviously they're speaking an entirely different language in many cases and this comes

00:46:46.920 to like dominate and not only do these uh kind of like different ethnic enclaves form uh but they

00:46:53.820 start to like take over politics in the area so you had a lot of guys and to be fair many of these

00:46:59.280 guys were like protestants who recognized they could use these new immigrant groups to their

00:47:03.880 advantage and so they create what's called a political machine where like basically they take

00:47:08.360 these tired poor hungry guys they get them jobs they set them up they get them housing uh you know

00:47:14.160 maybe they have a place where people can meet and those people start to like see that political

00:47:20.900 party as the reason they're able to exist. Their community is able to exist and they, they stay

00:47:27.140 together because like they're in this foreign land. They don't have a lot. They're relying on 1.00

00:47:31.780 these machine, you know, political machines. They sometimes don't speak the language. They have

00:47:36.440 different religions. And so they tend to like create this enclosed environment and the political

00:47:41.700 machines would start to like take over entire sections of like city hall they would uh own

00:47:47.540 you know that's why there's like this stereotype of the irish policeman in new york right or many 0.87

00:47:53.540 of these large cities because like the the entire ethnic cartel basically took over that job like

00:48:00.040 those jobs are for people like me from where i was right and so that you can still see this echo

00:48:06.140 today like the the echoes of these ethnic cartels these diaspora political machines play out to

00:48:13.680 still today in our area like we still have places that maybe they wouldn't call themselves an irish

00:48:18.200 or italian neighborhood but clearly are the we still have these uh you know different jobs uh

00:48:23.120 that are owned by the government that are distributed through these political machines

00:48:26.820 and the great thing about political machines is they're much more reliable like you don't have to

00:48:31.660 explain to people why they should vote for you don't have to argue you don't have to beat

00:48:36.140 them on the merits of some kind of abstract debate, they vote for you because you get them

00:48:41.400 stuff. It's like real simple. Everyone they know votes like them. Everyone who looks like them

00:48:46.380 votes like them. Whenever you vote for that political party, your community gets something 0.66

00:48:51.060 tangible. Hey, the government just built a new rec center in our Irish neighborhood or our Italian

00:48:57.480 neighborhood. Right. And so another group, of course, that came over and was a big influence

00:49:02.300 this was the jewish diaspora in fact so many jews you moved to the united states that we literally

00:49:07.820 have more jews in the united states today than they do in israel which is an explicit ethno state

00:49:12.680 for jewish people like that's how large the diaspora was that came over now there's still a

00:49:17.460 relatively small percentage of the american population but as the world global global like

00:49:22.320 jewish population they're they're a notable percentage and most importantly they're very

00:49:27.200 influential because like all of these other ethnic groups that came in, they formed, you know,

00:49:33.020 these like tight knit communities. And I think it's fair to say that the Jews are best known

00:49:37.820 because they were a permanent diaspora people. They lived only in diaspora for hundreds and 0.87

00:49:43.280 hundreds and hundreds of years. They are probably the most skilled at maintaining their identity

00:49:49.160 and their solidarity in other lands. They had to be to survive. You couldn't continue to be

00:49:54.240 like Jewish if you fully assimilated into whether country you're in because you would have to give 1.00

00:49:59.320 up your religion you'd have to give up you know any of that stuff and it just you know you would 0.59

00:50:03.880 intermarry and that would kind of be the end of it and that's why there's such a like focus on

00:50:07.540 don't intermarry in you know Jewish society don't lose your identity like never give that up because

00:50:13.880 you have to maintain that separately because you didn't have a nation you didn't have like an

00:50:18.300 actual physical plot of land where your people could gather and be that thing and so when you

00:50:23.880 have a large jewish diaspora in the united states uh obviously originally like they actually work

00:50:30.240 with the catholics in these major cities right like because they're both kind of new people

00:50:35.980 and they they build like this like basic uh you know uh bedrock of like how you're going to create

00:50:42.500 these different uh diaspora communities and use them in political machines but over time it becomes

00:50:47.960 clear, I think, to I think a certain percentage of the Jewish diaspora that perhaps they have

00:50:54.260 more natural allies in the evangelical Christians. Evangelical Christians have this doctrine.

00:51:01.540 And again, not all evangelicals. I am an evangelical Christian and I am not a

00:51:05.120 dispensationalist. But dispensationalism is very popular in the evangelical world. The majority,

00:51:11.160 I think, of evangelicals are still dispensational, though I'd say that that's going to wane over the

00:51:17.260 years. And so the thing about that is like, obviously that's advantageous for the Jewish 0.98

00:51:23.260 diaspora because these guys already have a connection. They already have an end. Like 0.96

00:51:27.420 when you have a group that already thinks like you literally have a biblical right to a piece

00:51:31.700 of real estate, then they're going to kind of be your guys if your main mission is to secure that

00:51:36.220 real estate for yourself. But there's also the advantage that evangelicals tend to be a like

00:51:41.780 relatively collectively wealthy class influential class numerous class but they don't really have

00:51:49.300 um a strong instinct to lead right like they are not in fact in many cases they feel like it's

00:51:57.220 against their ideology either american you know conservatism or like this kind of

00:52:04.780 uh anabaptists like uh have no involvement in power in the government approach and so like

00:52:10.760 there's like a literal ideological or religious barrier to them taking power and so like this is 0.99

00:52:16.560 perfect if you are someone who like wants to be an elite ruling class because you have this whole

00:52:20.940 base of people who like have money and have influence and have numbers but aren't really

00:52:26.400 interested in ruling themselves right now it used to be that the wasps were the ruling class of

00:52:32.060 america like the the white anglo-saxon protestants the mainline protestants not so much the

00:52:37.740 evangelicals they had the influence in the united states and they weren't really interested in like

00:52:42.380 sharing that with other people for like pretty obvious reasons and so there was a lot of

00:52:47.100 restrictions on these other ethnic groups right like you you could have successful catholic

00:52:52.720 political machines and you know jewish political machines but they weren't allowed in like regions 0.50

00:52:58.200 or in cities but they weren't really allowed to play on the main stage they weren't allowed to be 0.91

00:53:02.980 like the big guys they weren't you know you actually probably have heard this like the 0.89

00:53:07.700 banning of uh catholics and mostly jews from uh uh from country clubs and the reason that was such

00:53:14.620 a big deal was like that's where the wasps were and because that's where the wasps were and they 0.96

00:53:18.460 were the ruling class that's if you didn't have access to the country club then you didn't have

00:53:24.100 access to the best jobs the best uh you know government uh programs the the political influence

00:53:30.320 you were just shut out of the process and that's so that's why it was so important for like

00:53:34.180 those groups to get access to those things right because they wanted to be able to ascend and have

00:53:42.080 the same level of political influence and so there was like this constant uh tension between the

00:53:48.340 wasps and then like the catholics and the jews uh because you had these different ethnic diasporas

00:53:55.080 all kind of competing below uh the surface of american political life for like access to the

00:54:01.980 most elite things right and eventually what happens is you kind of get a realignment you

00:54:08.420 see that like evangelicals uh kind of embrace um kind of a jewish elite class right like you see

00:54:16.500 a lot of these like conservative institutions uh where like uh all of the elite um academic guys

00:54:23.840 are like jewish scholars and a lot of the media guys like you you see that they're very comfortable

00:54:29.600 in kind of partnering with uh the jewish diaspora uh evangelicals and and and jews in like this

00:54:36.040 alliance at some level and then you start to see that many of the wasps are kind of resenting the

00:54:42.440 fact that they're losing their hold on the united states now the wasps lost their hold for a couple

00:54:47.080 different reasons and some of them are really their own fault they simply lost the moral authority

00:54:52.100 to lead because they lost uh you know interest they got decadent uh they got complacent they

00:54:57.900 thought they didn't need to do this anymore they could just hand it over to somebody else and

00:55:01.020 enjoy like the spoils of being in charge for so long and accruing all that wealth and privilege

00:55:05.700 they started to cloister so themselves away and like these really elite places um and so uh when

00:55:12.520 you kind of see the wasps decay uh in that way uh all the other groups start to move in and they

00:55:18.680 want to take advantage and they want those spots and see and again who could blame them right like 0.97

00:55:24.320 none of this again is nefarious like this is all what you would expect from diaspora politics again

00:55:31.320 like you know samuel huntington points out the armenians you know are you know in a similar

00:55:36.760 situation if not as successful so this is not like just one thing that jewish people do or one thing

00:55:42.600 catholics do or one thing protestants do or one things that armenians do like this is something

00:55:46.880 that we can see over and over again. You can see, you know, the people like diaspora Chinese

00:55:53.520 in many different societies are often looked down on because they move into society and often take

00:55:59.740 up these elite roles in countries where they are not the like majority population. So again, like

00:56:05.400 this is not one group. This is just a human dynamic that we want to observe and understand

00:56:09.960 so we can grasp what's happening. Again, like I want to lay this out, even if it's difficult to

00:56:16.440 talk about specifically because I want you to understand the pieces moving. We need to see the

00:56:22.760 whole board. And if we ignore this aspect of politics, even if it's uncomfortable to talk

00:56:27.360 about, we can't see the whole board. We have to be able to see these factors moving behind the

00:56:32.280 scenes. And so why are Catholics and evangelicals suddenly at each other's throats, even though they

00:56:38.600 should be allies? And I think the answer is pretty simple. What you're seeing right now

00:56:43.340 is a clash between the old ruling order and the new ruling order and you're seeing that the wasps

00:56:52.020 have at some level aligned with insurgent catholic forces uh to try to kind of roll back some of the

00:56:59.020 changes that have happened in american society and what you're seeing on the other side is uh

00:57:04.440 kind of the ensconced uh elites who were uh of jewish ancestry using evangelical allies as a way

00:57:12.460 to kind of like protect their hard won position inside American society. So for instance, look at

00:57:18.720 American academia. It used to be much more Jewish in conservative circles, and now it's becoming 0.68

00:57:25.120 more Catholic. Look at the Supreme Court, right? It's a lot of Catholics. It's not a lot of

00:57:30.820 evangelicals on that seat. So you can kind of see that in many ways, you know, Catholics have

00:57:36.300 started to move into these positions. And that threatens a lot of people who preferred a 0.97

00:57:42.640 conservatism that was more neoconservative, right? Like that was really dominated

00:57:47.700 in many ways by the interests that are associated with that. And so when you look at something like

00:57:53.200 the Iran war, what you're really seeing is like this fault line play out, right? This kind of

00:58:00.020 brings us all back to the beginning, that the fault line politics of Israel have kind of 0.68

00:58:05.120 flow have flowed backwards into the core nation, which is America, through these ethnic diasporas

00:58:12.640 that are very influential inside the American system. I mean, we're to the point where there's

00:58:16.640 literally now, you know, congressmen trying to float a bill to give the benefits from American

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00:58:53.400 i like i don't what do you even say to that right like there's no there's no logical explanation

00:59:05.540 for that there's no reasoned explanation for that there's no reason you would believe that

00:59:10.140 a push like that would win in the marketplace of ideas the only reason that makes any sense

00:59:15.140 is if you look at the underlying ethnic influence and aspects of our politics and once you see that

00:59:21.680 oh actually now I know exactly where that came from maybe does it benefit the United States does

00:59:26.960 it not is it good for us is it a bad use these are all separate things we can discuss I have

00:59:32.420 pretty big feelings on that but ultimately the point is this is an observable reality we can

00:59:39.440 understand and if we if we have this key if we have this ability to see the whole board now

00:59:44.280 everything makes sense and then we can evaluate it on its own merits rather than scratching our

00:59:48.780 heads and trying to understand why there's this tension so why is there tension between evangelicals

00:59:54.580 and catholics right now well because i think the wasps are the remaining wasps and the insurgent

01:00:00.540 catholics are hoping are hoping to you know take significant roles and influential power inside

01:00:06.680 the united states and the jewish diaspora who held that power does not like that for very obvious

01:00:15.220 reasons. And they want to use evangelical allies to kind of shore up their position that they're

01:00:21.660 in. And they also recognize, I think, that ultimately there's some time pressures, right?

01:00:27.300 If one of your main things is you really care about the existence of Israel and the welfare

01:00:33.040 of Israel, well, Israel is facing a lot of problems right now. It's got demographic issues.

01:00:37.960 It's obviously got huge foreign policy issues. It's got issues when it comes to its own energy

01:00:44.480 and maintaining, you know, its own defense in all of these things.

01:00:48.960 And right now, Israel is pretty dependent on the United States

01:00:52.640 for their ability to kind of remain on the geopolitical stage.

01:00:56.680 Now, this is why it's so important for Bibi and then Yahoo

01:01:00.060 to create an independent Israel,

01:01:03.420 Israel without the golden handcuffs.

01:01:06.020 An Israel that, you know, it's very clear 0.82

01:01:08.160 that Israel wants to become a regional hegemon. 0.94

01:01:10.160 It wants to become like basically the guy 0.58

01:01:13.260 who dictates to the middle east israel is never going to have the manpower it's never going to 0.50

01:01:17.480 have the natural resources that it needs to like be a true empire but what it can do is set itself

01:01:24.260 up to you know dictate through alliances with places like saudi arabia and others like how the

01:01:30.260 landscape will ultimately look and if they have that level power then maybe they can protect

01:01:35.000 themselves without the united states in the hostile area and then it will also remove like 0.63

01:01:39.520 all of those fault line handcuffs that our core nation placed on Israel and its actions. 0.80

01:01:46.280 So for their own interests and their own sovereignty, they want to create a scenario 0.59

01:01:50.160 where they are independent from the United States for their own existence, which again,

01:01:55.080 you totally can understand. However you feel about Israel, that's a very normal motivation. 0.94

01:01:59.920 That's a very obvious and understandable motivation for a nation, for a people,

01:02:04.680 for a political leader. However, they also recognize that they need America right now and

01:02:09.820 that their time is limited, that evangelical influence on their behalf is waning, that

01:02:17.620 Catholicism, I don't want to say it's on the rise, because if you look at the statistics,

01:02:24.100 we get a lot of Catholics moving in and we do see some conversions, but we actually see far

01:02:28.800 more conversions from Catholicism to evangelical Christianity. But I'm not going to have that

01:02:34.500 debate now. That's another whole can of worms. The point is there is a perceived rise of Catholic

01:02:41.880 influence, especially in elite circles. I think that one's more real. I think that's one you can 0.93

01:02:45.720 actually quantify. And also evangelicals are losing their dispensationalism. As I said,

01:02:52.340 I'm evangelical, but I'm not dispensationalist. And I don't think most people under 40 are. And

01:02:58.020 I think you're going to see generationally that turnover. And when that happens, the Jewish 1.00

01:03:02.640 diaspora in the United States is not going to be able to rely on evangelicals as a political

01:03:09.080 influence block. And once that's gone, there aren't a lot of allies left. Again, the Catholics

01:03:15.820 and the Jews have kind of parted ways in their American political alliance a while ago. And so

01:03:20.800 if the Jewish diaspora loses the evangelical support, then it will probably not be able to

01:03:27.100 leverage very much support for Israel. And if that occurs and Israel is still dependent

01:03:31.920 on the United States at the time where that recurs, then Israel is in a very bad position.

01:03:37.180 So they have to do whatever they want to do now, basically, which I think is why,

01:03:41.580 you know, Bibi Netanyahu has been so reckless in trying to kind of pull the United States into

01:03:46.660 the Iranian war and keep it there because he recognizes that this is it. Like he either

01:03:51.560 gets this done now or it never gets done. If he can take out Iran, then he can unseat 1.00

01:03:56.800 basically the only real opposition in the region to the Jewish hegemony in that region, 0.94

01:04:03.860 the Israeli hegemony. And then that creates a scenario where Israel will be able to stand on 0.89

01:04:08.520 its own by kind of controlling that area. And it will no longer be so reliant on its diaspora. 0.67

01:04:14.540 Now, maybe that would be the best thing, right? Like maybe ultimately that would mean that there's 0.99

01:04:18.240 no longer a heavy incentive to influence American politics anymore because Israel can feel safe on

01:04:24.020 its own or you know maybe not maybe that will empower israel to take even more radical steps

01:04:29.720 and make bad choices i don't know that's it's impossible to know it's impossible to know the

01:04:34.680 future and also ultimately it's not my monkey as long as you know america is not involved

01:04:40.120 unfortunately america is involved so i do have to care about it i'd prefer to never speak about

01:04:43.960 israel again but since you know obviously like these diaspora politics are playing out i have

01:04:48.760 to care because it's impacting everything it's impacting our our domestic agenda uh you know

01:04:53.980 you're securing benefits for idf soldiers you're trying to ban uh you know there's a attempt to

01:04:59.720 insert a definition of anti-semitism into american law that would have made parts of the bible

01:05:04.240 anti-semitic like this stuff is nuts and i can't pretend it's not impacting our domestic stuff

01:05:08.940 it's also obviously impacting our foreign uh policy and i just don't have time for it we have

01:05:14.020 to focus on america right now whether israel is justified in its conflicts or not i don't i don't

01:05:19.540 care i just don't want to be involved in them and so we're in the scenario where that's all moving

01:05:25.780 under the surface while people are trying to figure out what's happening between protestants

01:05:29.940 and catholics and so i guess i'll just wrap this up by saying that diaspora politics again are not

01:05:36.480 insidious they're not tied to one group they're often not even malicious though sometimes they

01:05:43.500 can play out that way because they simply aren't factoring in your country as the most important

01:05:48.080 factor when you're making a decision. However, like ultimately this is just part of human nature

01:05:53.600 and this is why mass immigration is dangerous. This is why you have to care about who comes 1.00

01:05:58.620 into your country and how many of those people come in a country. And if you do allow people 1.00

01:06:02.040 in a country, you have to do it in small bursts and you have to spread them out and you have to 0.65

01:06:06.140 force them to assimilate because if you don't, we end up in this scenario. And if it wasn't,

01:06:10.360 you know, if it's not the Armenians or if it isn't, you know, Israelis or it isn't Chinese or 0.98

01:06:15.180 whoever, it'll just be the next group, right? Like Somalians will act in the interest of Somalians.

01:06:20.460 You know, Haitians will act in the interest of Haitians. Indians will act in the interest of 0.97

01:06:24.760 Indians. Again, none of these groups is nefarious. None of them is somehow inhuman or weird or

01:06:30.260 conniving or, you know, perfidious just because they do this. This is just what people do. When

01:06:36.680 a bunch of guys from the united states moved into texas we eventually just took it from mexico

01:06:42.140 right like we used the the american diaspora in texas to take texas from mexico so it's not even

01:06:49.620 like americans don't do this like we totally do the same thing with hawaii right so like we're

01:06:54.980 we have done this as well again it's not it's in no way unique to any of these peoples but it is

01:07:00.480 something we have to address and it is something we have to be able to notice and i think this is

01:07:04.660 also why it's important to like reject this idea that america is not a people because when you're

01:07:09.520 not a people then you don't recognize your interests and you don't think it's and you just

01:07:14.960 kind of are confused by other people's preferring their country and their way of life and turning

01:07:21.480 things to their interests and you you don't quite grasp it but if you can just allow that everyone

01:07:26.300 is doing this and this is human nature and you don't have to treat it as some like weird taboo

01:07:30.660 thing to notice or talk about, then we can actually have real political discussions and

01:07:34.760 we can better understand the world around us. And I am more interested in better understanding

01:07:39.720 a situation which is incredibly tenuous and one that must be resolved than I am about like being

01:07:45.660 nice and not saying any taboo things. So I think it's time for us to start looking at the clash

01:07:51.660 of civilizations seriously and realize that diaspora politics is playing out in the United

01:07:56.520 States and every other country in the world. And it will continue to be the case. And if we know

01:08:00.560 that places like India are actively using their diaspora, you know, to spread influence and shunt 0.99

01:08:05.800 excess population, then we can know, well, actually we should probably refuse this because we know 0.98

01:08:10.700 what the purpose is. Again, we don't have to hate those people. We don't have to hate the country

01:08:15.360 even that's trying to do it, but we do have to understand that that is at play and that should

01:08:20.260 inform our immigration policy, our H-1B policy, our birthright citizenship policy and everything

01:08:25.320 else we have to be aware of ethnic diasporas and the influence that they create inside the 0.96

01:08:30.680 countries where they exist because if we don't do that we will become subject to them all right

01:08:35.960 guys uh let's take a look at our questions from the people real quick take a swig of this tea 0.60

01:08:43.220 all right cherry coke nixon says what are your thoughts about the u.s having a preferred foreign

01:08:51.600 nation like uh britain or ireland etc wrong on principle or depends on culture and history

01:08:56.760 so what yeah i'm i'm gonna stick pretty pretty closely to my george washington stance on this

01:09:02.840 uh in his farewell address he said we should never have favored nations and we should never

01:09:07.260 have a hated nation he said either one will distort you you shouldn't hate a people but

01:09:13.300 you also shouldn't favor them over other countries you should as much as possible treat every country

01:09:17.900 the same. Now, I don't think that's entirely possible. I think that there is always, like I

01:09:22.700 said, even hundreds of years later, I feel some affinity with the English. But I think you want

01:09:30.580 to do that as much as possible. I think it is worth having nations that you prefer immigration

01:09:35.700 from. I think there's nothing wrong with the United States getting together and collectively

01:09:39.760 deciding that maybe a place like the UK or Ireland is more culturally compatible with their way of

01:09:46.500 life than say a place like somalia or haiti and saying we're not taking people in from the countries

01:09:52.220 that we don't want to assimilate in like we don't think can assimilate properly i think it's perfectly

01:09:58.080 fine to prefer that right now the supreme court is actually hearing uh you know the idea that the

01:10:02.480 trump administration is preferring peoples of european descent or with some connection to

01:10:07.460 european history and that's supposed to be somehow scandalous and my answer is well like of course 1.00

01:10:11.980 they would because those are the people most likely to assimilate again i think we should have 1.00

01:10:16.080 an immigration moratorium i don't think we should really be allowing anyone to immigrate except 0.99

01:10:20.140 some pretty extreme cases for at least like 20 30 years minimum but if we are going to let people

01:10:26.080 immigrate we should prefer people who you know already speak the language already are you know

01:10:31.580 hopefully christian already are familiar with the traditions that kind of built our society 0.98

01:10:37.240 there's going to be much easier people to assimilate you know america was built by british

01:10:42.600 people. So it's probably relatively easy for British people to figure it out. Nixon also says,

01:10:49.100 if we are getting into religion slash culture, I'd argue evangelicals are not Protestant,

01:10:53.840 but a separate leg histories of these movements are important. I mean, I, I, you can always do

01:10:59.660 that, right? Like you can always get really granular and say, well, really, this is something

01:11:03.920 entirely different protestant just means you know broke away uh in you know in

01:11:10.000 you know the martin the time of martin luther you know created this uh understanding of

01:11:17.580 christianity that was separate from like catholicism or orthodoxy um from there we

01:11:23.040 get all kinds of very different protestants right we have some protestantism which is

01:11:27.980 basically basically catholic like you know that you look at um obviously like uh the anglican

01:11:36.500 church or even frankly the lutheran church in some ways and not that much has changed uh from

01:11:43.560 from catholicism you look at some you know protestantism and it's radically radically

01:11:47.940 different um but i i don't think it makes sense to say that evangelicals aren't protestant you

01:11:53.680 could say that there are a very different subcategory of protestants um i think that's

01:11:57.860 fair i mean look look man i'm not when i walk into a charismatic church i don't recognize it

01:12:03.240 like it's protestant it's evangelical but it's radically different from what i grew up with

01:12:07.900 so a lot of people would categorize those people as evangelical protestants and i would not have

01:12:12.880 a whole lot in common with them um but uh you know i wouldn't say they aren't evangelical

01:12:18.320 Protestants. That just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Uh, Sean Whiteland says institutional

01:12:24.180 captures also what gave us the 1970 stagged nation, the post-industrial society and supply

01:12:30.680 side, uh, of economy, uh, the, and the supply side of the economy offshored to China. Yes,

01:12:39.360 that is absolutely true. Uh, Nixon says, well, have we had, uh, when else have we had foreign 0.92

01:12:45.360 issues impact us the way israel does northern ireland the world wars uh are we on uncharted

01:12:50.680 waters historically oh well i mean i guess it depends on what you mean by impacted us i i mean

01:12:56.120 obviously we had a large influx of immigration during the american civil war uh you know there

01:13:02.120 are a lot in many you know cases abraham lincoln was sending a bunch of newly arrived irishmen

01:13:08.540 to go fight uh you know the southerners that kind of thing so that had a pretty serious impact as

01:13:14.060 i read out in the huntington book you know we gave tens of millions of dollars and changed

01:13:18.620 geopolitical uh objectives and that kind of thing for armenia um but is israel probably the most

01:13:25.400 obvious example yeah i think that's that's pretty clear but again i don't think that makes it any

01:13:29.980 different i mean look at what china has been able to do in the united states we we say china you

01:13:34.640 know at least with israel you know people believe at some level it's an ally in china we say okay

01:13:39.660 okay, this is a radically opposed civilization. 0.98

01:13:42.800 It's our greatest geopolitical rival.

01:13:44.580 By the way, we're going to sell you guys a bunch of our farmland and a bunch of our companies,

01:13:48.480 and we're going to allow you to send a bunch of your people to our colleges and have them spy on us and sabotage us. 0.97

01:13:55.920 And yet we still do it because a bunch of Chinese money comes in, and there's a big Chinese diaspora in the United States. 0.93

01:14:01.900 So again, I think Israel is probably the most obvious, mainly due to its influence on foreign policy. 0.86

01:14:07.240 but you know china has plenty of influence the united states due to its diaspora and its bribery 0.59

01:14:12.060 basically uh so i i again i i think it's something that is you know there's a reason that he calls

01:14:18.660 uh armenia the the israel of the caucuses because like obviously like israel is so influential that

01:14:25.120 you can make a joke about other countries having influence based on that however again it's not

01:14:30.380 just them it's it's many other countries who also have uh far too much influence in the united

01:14:34.720 States. Philosophical thirstworm says in 10 years, Barry Weiss and boomers will be saying that Turkey 0.63

01:14:41.220 is an existential threat and we need to build an LGB nightclub in the Hagi Sophia. Yeah. I mean, 0.66

01:14:46.620 that's, they're already basically doing that, right? Like we've heard the, the war drums, uh,

01:14:50.300 targeted at Turkey now. Uh, and, and here's what I hate so much, right? So I've seen a lot of people

01:14:55.780 say, well, Donald Trump only wants to leave NATO because Turkey's in NATO and we can't go to war

01:15:00.740 with Turkey while we're in NATO. So Israel is getting us to leave NATO. Now we've been wanting

01:15:06.660 to leave NATO as conservatives forever, right? Like decades and decades and decades. Donald Trump has

01:15:11.400 talked about leaving NATO for a very long time before anyone was whispering about Turkey and

01:15:15.960 Israel. And so the problem with all this foreign influence is it distorts everything because I

01:15:22.440 think it is good for America to leave NATO. I think it is healthy. I think that is part of

01:15:27.960 our long-term interests. But because people are so jumpy about foreign influence, they will then

01:15:32.320 assume that things that actually are good for the United States are in fact being manipulated by a

01:15:37.560 foreign country. And this is the problem. Like even when you're doing something to benefit the

01:15:40.760 United States, you have a scenario where people assume it's being done in the name of some other

01:15:45.600 power. And that's why you really don't want to have that level of foreign influence in your

01:15:49.440 country. Not just because it can lead you to do things that are against your country's interests,

01:15:52.960 but then even when you do things in your country's interest, people will become confused

01:15:56.820 because they're so like kind of like you know battered housewives from having you know their

01:16:02.180 their system hijacked for the interests of other powers other countries so that's why it just has

01:16:07.340 a deleterious effect all around underground friend says i haven't heard a lot of bad things about the

01:16:13.200 armenian population plus we got a system of a down out of the deal again they might be entirely 0.98

01:16:17.840 lovely people many jewish people are lovely people that's not the point the point is not like are they

01:16:22.900 great people or not the the question is should we be allowing foreign influence whether it's

01:16:28.680 from people we love or hate or who contribute to society or terrible like either way i just don't 0.98

01:16:33.900 want foreign influence i don't want it from haiti i don't want it from romania i don't want it from 0.98

01:16:38.460 china i don't want it from russia i don't want it from armenia and i don't want it from israel and

01:16:44.540 i think that's the way we need to look at it though i will say system in the down did have

01:16:48.120 some great albums though interestingly has to be like one of the bands that just disappeared the

01:16:52.640 most had insane amount of influence and was huge and then like just disappeared and not only did

01:16:58.160 they disappear like none of their members at least to my knowledge like started big bands like

01:17:02.600 eventually when a big band like that falls apart usually like you know the different constituent

01:17:07.580 members go somewhere and do something else and as far as i know that just didn't happen with system

01:17:12.180 of down uh underground also says a lot of people would hear this monologue and respond that all the

01:17:19.320 other immigrant populations ended up getting sorted out. So we just need to give the new 0.82

01:17:22.840 ones time. How would you respond to that? Great question. I appreciate that. So yes,

01:17:26.900 we actually hear this argument all the time. Well, we did assimilate the Irish and we did

01:17:30.380 assimilate the Italians. And so therefore we can just do this all with enough time. 0.68

01:17:34.460 And again, I think that misses the point. It took us a long time to integrate the Germans. 0.74

01:17:42.020 Like I said, like we were basically forcing German kids to go to public school because 1.00

01:17:47.120 they weren't learning English and they were continuing to live like with German customs 1.00

01:17:51.720 and in cloisters. And we had to like basically break up their ethnic ghettos in some scenarios. 0.94

01:17:56.900 And it really took a world war or two to assimilate the German population. So unless we're 0.79

01:18:02.400 fighting a bunch of world wars to try to assimilate the new guys, I don't think that's a great idea. 0.98

01:18:06.980 And obviously even now we think of Germany as relatively culturally close, but think about how 0.68

01:18:12.200 radically different like haiti or somalia is from germany so germany was already like five steps

01:18:17.440 removed and now we've got like the haitian population and the somali population another

01:18:21.460 40 steps removed from germany and so just like how long would it take also remember like 0.92

01:18:26.680 we had to work very hard again catholics created their own public school system basically like 0.86

01:18:34.440 their own parallel school system just so they could preserve their religion and like their

01:18:39.420 ethnic cohesion outside of the american public school system and you know are you gonna go in

01:18:45.800 and break up every you know we already have the leering centers like are you gonna go in and break

01:18:50.580 up every one of these communities it's a lot of work and we just don't need this anymore like at

01:18:55.340 one point we were trying to conquer a continent and we had to fill it and we needed the bodies

01:18:59.820 we're just not at that point anymore westward expansion is over we don't we don't need to head

01:19:03.720 to the west anymore we don't need raw bodies we need to you know consolidate what we have here

01:19:09.240 and form our own culture, have our own ethnogenesis.

01:19:12.700 And we simply can't do that 0.79

01:19:13.660 if we keep trying to assimilate all these other groups. 0.66

01:19:18.480 And Philosophical Thirstworm says,

01:19:20.460 you can make coalitions with the Irish, Italians, 0.97

01:19:22.400 Armenians, et cetera, because they give and take. 0.92

01:19:24.960 Neocons can't be a coalition member's zero-sum thinking. 0.69

01:19:28.200 Well, maybe.

01:19:29.700 Again, I don't think I would assume

01:19:33.120 that all of those groups are, you know,

01:19:36.480 giving and getting as much as you'd like.

01:19:38.620 I think actually there is often take, but it is, I think, clear that unfortunately, especially with neoconservatives, there has been an all or nothing mentality that does make it very difficult to continually strike deals.

01:19:51.160 You do for one side and the other side never does for you or like actually actively stabs you back and opposes you.

01:19:57.240 And that that can't be allowed.

01:19:59.100 That said, like I said, I prefer not to be making ethnic coalitions in general.

01:20:04.220 I prefer America to be American.

01:20:05.920 I prefer it to pursue American interests.

01:20:08.620 and to only allow people in when it wants to, if it thinks they're assimilable at a very granular

01:20:14.420 level. I don't want large amounts of people coming in. I don't want waves of ethnic immigration

01:20:18.420 coming into the United States. We should be doing an immigration moratorium. And if we let people in, 1.00

01:20:23.540 we should do it in small doses from not a lot of people from the same place at the same time 1.00

01:20:28.620 and making sure that they are not allowed to live together and create these ethnic enclaves. 0.99

01:20:33.080 If we do any immigration at all, which I don't think we should for decades. That's how I think 1.00

01:20:37.060 we should ultimately approach it i don't think we should be thinking of which ethnic coalitions

01:20:41.140 are the easiest to work with though fair enough there there are different levels i'm not going 0.88

01:20:45.300 to deny that but i just don't think we should be trying to make those deals at all all right guys

01:20:50.400 guess that's all of our questions today thank you so much for sticking with me on this one i know

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - April 29, 2026

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