The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Truth About 'Teen Takeovers' ｜ 5⧸22⧸26

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00:00:27.000 hey everybody how's it going thanks for joining me this afternoon i am oran mcintyre before we

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00:00:55.680 blazetv.com slash Oren to get $20 off today. All right, guys, you might have heard, but we are

00:01:04.260 in an epidemic of teen takeovers, teen takeovers in major cities all across the country. We're

00:01:12.380 seeing them in New York. We're seeing them in Chicago. We're seeing them in Florida. We are

00:01:17.160 seeing them in Washington, D.C. And there's something you might notice about pretty much

00:01:24.520 all of the teens involved. And this is unfortunately something that we've had going on

00:01:31.280 in the United States for a very long time, my entire life. This euphemism culture over what

00:01:37.040 is actually happening. If you are a fan of the Washington Post, you know that they kind of have

00:01:43.280 a euphemism guy. Some of the most epic headlines you've ever seen. Scholars, wacky guys out in the

00:01:53.060 field. They come up with all these different people, joggers, all these different names

00:01:59.080 for people who are out there doing crime so that you kind of avoid seeing the obvious with your

00:02:06.940 own eyes, discussing what's actually going on. We also have kind of the issue that we aren't

00:02:15.520 allowed to talk about the different effects that this is having on our social situation. We have

00:02:20.660 malls closing we have downtowns that are basically uh they you can't travel in them at all because

00:02:26.980 they're so out of control and once again you know overall the good news is that overall currently

00:02:34.020 crime is falling actually under the trump administration we've seen murder rates at an

00:02:39.260 all-time low uh we've seen overall crime go down but unfortunately we've seen these kind of

00:02:45.060 crime waves go up on a regular basis because they're concentrated and they tend to be a

00:02:53.060 collective of a few different types of people. And so today I wanted to talk about the teen

00:02:59.500 takeover, the shutdown of malls, changing consumer habits, and all the other euphemism we use to kind

00:03:07.640 of avoid the fact that even though crime overall is going down, there's very obviously a concentration 0.95

00:03:13.580 of a very specific type of crime that is rising, which is these minority-driven crimes, and

00:03:19.040 especially in these kind of group crimes, almost like a flash mob of crime. 0.70

00:03:24.920 And so I wanted to get into this, break this down.

00:03:27.960 Why are we unable to discuss this still to this day?

00:03:31.080 Why are people so heavily invested in kind of using these euphemisms and other things,

00:03:35.720 even when we recognize that the problem is happening?

00:03:38.480 You know, we've had D.C. officials like Jeanine Pirro talk about these and how they need to be addressed.

00:03:45.480 But we never talk about the underlying issue because the underlying issue is dangerous.

00:03:50.380 It's politically supposed to kind of be untouchable.

00:03:53.800 But I think we need to touch it today.

00:03:55.480 I think we need to get into it.

00:03:57.120 So that said, let's run down some of the footage first, because honestly, this stuff is not getting any major media coverage.

00:04:05.540 it is largely not talked about and in the few cases where it is talked about again it's in

00:04:12.020 this very euphemistic way if you're not online if you're not paying attention to social media

00:04:17.340 and you're really not hooked into the spheres that are kind of pointing this out noticing it

00:04:22.100 you might not know uh you know that this is happening in cities besides your own you'll

00:04:27.000 probably know what's happening in your city but the news media isn't going to cover as to why

00:04:30.900 and they're not going to tell you that it's actually happening in all these other cities

00:04:34.620 So I want to run through in case people haven't caught the footage.

00:04:38.060 They don't know what's going on with this so we can see it.

00:04:40.400 So here's one that happened in my home state of Florida.

00:04:44.180 I've been, you know, I've lived in Tampa.

00:04:46.440 I went to school in Tampa.

00:04:47.920 I've been up there many, many times.

00:04:50.240 And this is one that happened here in Tampa recently.

00:04:53.480 That's a lot of people.

00:04:58.000 You can see everybody's scatting here.

00:05:03.000 As you can see, you know, the reporting here, over 20 people were arrested in a mass teen takeover.

00:05:11.700 The teens started punching each other and vandalizing property.

00:05:15.080 Police had to send a helicopter to bring it under control.

00:05:18.800 Then we see one here in New York.

00:05:33.000 so you see big crowd there uh fight breaks out a lot of fist fights at these things in many cases

00:05:42.780 it's a excuse to just get together and brawl in the middle of the streets uh and not only do they

00:05:48.580 these two guys start fighting but once they start fighting uh every they're like the people around

00:05:53.620 them start basically like jumping in you have these cones getting thrown in other people picking

00:05:58.780 up objects and swinging at the guys who are fighting so this isn't you know even just like

00:06:03.640 getting together to watch a few people fight you know i when i was in high school there was always

00:06:09.340 that that one parking lot out of the way uh where if two guys had to settle beef they went over

00:06:15.760 there and you know maybe a crowd of 20 or 30 people might gather uh to to see the fight you

00:06:21.900 know that's kind of a high school thing uh but obviously we're going well beyond that like we're

00:06:26.640 not talking about uh you know kind of just the immature teens are gonna fight at some level and

00:06:31.780 you know that's pretty normal uh but we're seeing that these this turns into like a spectacle it

00:06:36.760 takes over the entire uh area of the city uh lots you know hundreds hundreds sometimes thousands of

00:06:42.760 people gathering uh you know and they participate it's not just two guys squaring up and fighting

00:06:47.920 and a couple people around to watch it's everybody getting involved right we see another here one here

00:06:55.400 in virginia obviously a large amount of fire it looks like one of those blm right

00:07:03.180 yeah of course

00:07:09.120 a lot of fireworks in the middle of the street and then some fighting

00:07:35.680 and then here's one in Orlando

00:07:39.120 now i'm sure someone will try to accuse him of excessive force or something you have

00:07:54.520 more than a thousand teens in a park there and obviously uh you know we've had multiple of these

00:08:01.420 in florida now to be fair the florida has started to address this they're talking about it um you

00:08:08.700 they're they're supposed to be cracking down they've talked about the takeovers in tampa

00:08:12.700 orlando how they're not going to uh kind of allow unaccompanied teams uh you know in

00:08:18.860 those areas uh here's another one this one is in chicago

00:08:28.220 go ahead and mute that one i don't want any uh music copyright strikes on the uh the old channel

00:08:33.100 here. But you can see him trashing the car. Massive crowd just there to destroy something

00:08:47.800 and to film it. Light it on fire. And here's another one. Virginia. And I'll mute this. 0.96

00:09:01.140 I don't want any music.

00:09:03.360 You see the police running over the table,

00:09:05.080 trying to break it up.

00:09:10.740 Taking over the park,

00:09:12.140 making it difficult to drive anywhere.

00:09:14.780 Breaking out in fights.

00:09:31.140 You can see a massive crowd there.

00:09:39.360 And here's another one in D.C., the Navy Yard in D.C., famously not a great neighborhood.

00:09:50.280 Police and National Guard on hand there.

00:09:54.840 National Guard chasing people down in fatigues.

00:09:58.740 trying to run off these crowds.

00:10:19.240 And then here's another one in New Jersey.

00:10:24.000 Lots of dancing on cars, vandalizing, intimidating people, and we get chased down, and this is

00:10:45.520 of course part of the fun for them, right, they're running, the evasion, the police show

00:10:49.540 up.

00:10:54.000 And then here's another one in Detroit.

00:11:01.480 Everyone running up the stairs here, taking over.

00:11:14.120 Massive crowds again.

00:11:17.440 And then this one got wild.

00:11:19.720 This was from the Navy Yard one, but it spilled into the Chipotle in the area, and you can see the incredibly violent fight broke out.

00:11:31.160 They're taking maybe high chairs and beating each other with them, just completely wrecking people.

00:11:41.880 Absolutely vicious and violent, out of control.

00:11:44.700 now if you're watching these it's very clear that the teen takeovers have a very distinctive

00:11:58.540 demographic makeup to them right like the teens in these areas sorry but all you have to do is

00:12:06.640 use your eyeballs it's almost exclusively blacks in those areas it's black team it's not a bunch

00:12:13.900 of white kids it's not even really that many hispanic kids there are some you know obviously

00:12:18.440 um definitely definitely minority dominated but specifically demographically it's african americans 0.53

00:12:25.280 uh or blacks in in those crowds they're they're who are making up those crowds so when we see the 0.55

00:12:32.360 teen take over discussion we're ignoring a pretty significant and important part of who is making up

00:12:40.080 these crowds it's not just random teens it's not just the behavior of teens look of course

00:12:46.140 teens uh are always angsty i think that's a pretty classic part of uh at least sadly the

00:12:54.200 last 70 years but probably not all through history i think it's actually a relatively

00:12:58.360 modern invention but classic in the you know i guess in the last 70 years or so

00:13:03.340 since uh but teens are having you know rebellious uh they want to get out they need their own space

00:13:09.500 They want to meet together. That's pretty common. Even, you know, young men causing trouble. That's always been a factor in many cultures, even, you know, including a white or European cultures.

00:13:21.880 You know, there has always been some level of young men needing to prove themselves, often through violence or getting into mischief, these kind of things. That's a reality. Right.

00:13:32.540 but we're talking about a different level here yeah these are uh basically race riots

00:13:39.620 for lack of a better term it's a bunch of people of one race more or less getting together and just

00:13:47.240 lighting things on fire often just beating each other up right like a big part of this is

00:13:52.480 the the fights are usually between black teenagers so i mean i've i've been in scenarios you know i've 0.67

00:14:00.340 been in large crowds in even places like tampa where if you were white you needed to walk in a 0.78

00:14:08.140 big crowd and you needed to give all of the black crowds a wide berth because i have watched like 0.67

00:14:13.520 black crowds just pull white guys off the side of the street get picked off alone if they're by 0.87

00:14:18.200 themselves and just beaten down for no other reason than it was a white guy near a crowd of 0.91

00:14:22.760 black people in tampa like i have seen that personally uh but in many of these cases the 0.71

00:14:27.400 violence is mostly directed against other people showing up to the teen takeover so largely black 0.95

00:14:33.900 on black violence which to be fair if you look at all the statistics when it comes to violence in

00:14:38.480 the united states most violence is intra-racial right it's it's between two people of the same 0.95

00:14:43.840 race uh but the the violence among you know blacks is much much higher even in the intra-racial 0.78

00:14:49.360 scenario so they are mostly doing violence to each other in this to be fair but still this is 0.99

00:14:55.280 not something that should be allowed in public like you should be able to go to downtown you

00:14:59.860 should be able to go to a chipotle without having to worry that a bunch of teenagers who all

00:15:05.520 coordinated on social media are going to run in and start beating each other even if they're not

00:15:10.200 beating you even if they're not you know uh ultimately uh uh even if they're not ultimately

00:15:17.160 harming you you should still be able to walk in public without expecting to see this and a large

00:15:23.460 amount of this is of course the rise of social media you used to at least have to have people

00:15:28.620 milling around in certain neighborhoods right that's why neighborhoods tended to be safe or

00:15:33.420 unsafe you have a lot of unsupervised young people in an area especially if it's a unfortunately

00:15:38.900 minority area you saw a lot more violence there but it was contained to that neighborhood now

00:15:44.180 you're seeing a scenario where uh with social media you can get a large crowd of people together

00:15:50.640 you can kind of say, hey, there's a takeover here. And, you know, in places where the authorities

00:15:55.960 aren't looking or they can't block it, they can't control it. And ultimately, these people are able

00:16:00.860 to run in and kind of attack, you know, an area take takeover in literal sense, put so many bodies

00:16:07.720 on the street that no one can really do anything. The police don't know it's it's coming. And so

00:16:12.840 they have to respond. And they're usually late to response. That usually means you have at least an

00:16:17.880 hour maybe multiple hours of a large gathering of you know usually minority or black teens 1.00

00:16:24.360 all being in one area specifically because they want to do damage either to each other or to the 0.60

00:16:30.460 property again you saw a lot of fireworks being thrown a lot of cars being danced on you know

00:16:35.420 there are people in those cars there are people who are being harassed there are people who are

00:16:39.280 trapped there and this brings back those moments you think about those moments uh during blm where

00:16:45.760 you had people you know uh white people trapped in their cars and you know blm protesters pulling

00:16:51.620 them out and saying you're you're a white person so you're responsible for you know these people

00:16:57.280 getting killed you know you have george floyd or whatever whoever they're rioting on behalf of 0.94

00:17:03.900 whoever whatever violent criminal and drug addict has been sainted uh by the community in that 0.86

00:17:09.180 moment they're running around and pulling people out of their cars and destroying their cars and

00:17:13.580 beating those people, terrified people, calling 911 saying, you know, there's a bunch of rioters

00:17:19.500 and they're about to rip us out of our car. What should we do? And 911 just won't respond. The

00:17:24.320 cops won't do anything. They're just watching that violence. Now, in a lot of these scenarios,

00:17:28.000 we saw the police did respond, right? We do see police tackling people. We do see police showing

00:17:32.420 up at riot shields. So it doesn't have exactly the same dynamic. It does seem like there are

00:17:36.880 law enforcement people showing up and doing something. It's not exactly like BLM where

00:17:42.940 there's just this hands-off mentality just let these people burn it out let them do whatever you

00:17:47.520 like uh but ultimately we are still seeing this and we're seeing on a regular basis again you're

00:17:53.620 seeing it in states like florida which have good solid republican majorities you know have a

00:17:59.460 governor like ron de santis has law enforcement that is generally kind of on the ball and still

00:18:05.320 you're seeing these takeovers now again i think florida is taking action but if we're not going

00:18:09.880 to talk about this, if we're just going to treat it like it's a teen problem, it's the presence of

00:18:14.100 teens being in the area, then we're obviously not getting the whole story. Let me play,

00:18:19.640 let's see, Janine Pirro here discussing why Washington, D.C. is not going to be tolerant 0.98

00:18:24.460 of teen takeovers. And as we grapple with this problem, there is one area that hasn't been

00:18:32.660 discussed parental involvement has been a noted gap in any discussion and i am here to say as

00:18:41.460 the united states attorney in the district of columbia that ends today starting today

00:18:48.020 my office will aggressively prosecute parents under dc's curfew law and the specific statute

00:18:56.020 that we will use is a violation of dc code 22-811 and it involves contributing to the delinquency

00:19:06.500 of a minor this statute makes it unlawful for an adult to enable facilitate or permit a minor to

00:19:16.180 engage in delinquent acts the penalty is up to six months imprisonment so if the evidence shows the

00:19:23.860 parent knew or should have known or permitted or failed to prevent participation we're going to

00:19:32.380 charge them so the you know the accusation here what we're going to do here is well we're going

00:19:37.720 to go after the parents the parents are not supervising these kids and that's why we're

00:19:42.460 getting it now again we're just talking about teen it's a problem of parent parental supervision

00:19:46.880 uh well probably not actually most most of the teens who are here uh or you know not there

00:19:55.780 is are they not there because of the parents i mean maybe maybe i'm sure that there are other

00:20:00.640 parents who would be more careful about where their teens are going out and what they're doing

00:20:05.480 but it's obviously not just teens in general being unsupervised it's a very specific group

00:20:10.600 of teens coordinating online to do this stuff and while i appreciate the idea that they're

00:20:17.900 going to go after parents i mean ultimately i support that but it seems pretty flimsy right

00:20:22.120 like you're going to have a very difficult time you're going after individual parents proving that

00:20:27.060 those parents somehow knew about the takeover and actively contributed uh you know unless unless you

00:20:33.400 have like a text saying hey mom going to this teen takeover to beat people up and burn things down

00:20:39.660 can you drop me off? I need a ride. Maybe you'll get a few people that way. Maybe they hope that 1.00

00:20:46.640 just making the threat of possible prosecution will drive this down. But the real problem is

00:20:54.300 ultimately that those parents don't care in the first place. In many cases, those parents don't

00:21:00.140 know where their kids are ever. So they don't know where their kids are in general. If their kids

00:21:04.820 happen to be going to beat people up in a park or in a downtown or in a chipotle well i guess they

00:21:11.520 also don't know that but there are people who don't really care like it's not part of their

00:21:16.460 culture to have a high level of you know of supervision over your children and know where

00:21:21.220 they're going and ensure that their behavior is ultimately something uh that that is good or that

00:21:26.340 is you know at least not harmful to the people around them and so they're just not doing that

00:21:31.440 Right. And so I hope that works. I'm glad they're trying to take some kind of action, but I'm kind of doubtful that ultimately this is going to solve the problem because you have this epidemic of people coordinating this again online.

00:21:46.980 And so if you're going to address this, you have to address when you start to see large crowds of people, especially, let's be honest, of a specific race gathering together to do one of these things on a regular basis.

00:22:00.560 And we're being very careful with our language to avoid the fact that all of these teen takers are dominated by really one ethnic group. 0.73

00:22:10.720 Again, you're seeing some Hispanics. 0.63

00:22:12.580 I'm sure there's some white kids or something else in there eventually.

00:22:15.040 but probably i mean honestly white kid walks into some of those crowds probably getting you know

00:22:20.360 messed up real bad so probably not actually probably not a lot of there voluntarily uh but

00:22:26.480 but ultimately it's very clear that this is like gang or riot behavior and the again the overall

00:22:34.000 crime numbers are down right the overall violent crime numbers are down the overall murder

00:22:39.720 numbers are down now there's some question over whether we're still using those biden accounting

00:22:44.460 numbers or if a lot of these states are not reporting minority crime like they used to

00:22:49.280 because they want to avoid the implications of those statistics.

00:22:52.700 But it ultimately is pushing us towards a kind of conclusion about where this crime

00:22:59.760 is coming from, who is coordinating, who's involved.

00:23:03.000 Now, this obviously reaches into other aspects of crime and culture in the United States.

00:23:07.500 So here is Nathan Kofnus, not a guy I'm a huge fan of, but he is willing to talk about

00:23:13.620 the realities of racial disparities when it comes to crime. And that's something that not a lot of

00:23:18.460 people are willing to do. You know, I don't think I'm telling anybody who's watching the show

00:23:22.840 anything new, but it turns out that actually violent crime is disproportionately done by 0.97

00:23:29.720 black Americans or minority Americans in general, but very specifically black Americans do a large 0.98

00:23:36.920 amount of the crime, a radically disproportionate per capita amount of crime in the United States. 0.99

00:23:43.200 If you remove Black-initiated crime in the United States from your crime statistics, the crime in America starts to look a lot more like the crime in Europe, right, which is something you wouldn't be shocked to find.

00:23:55.380 But that's a really uncomfortable discussion to have for a lot of people because obviously there are some very serious implications tied to this.

00:24:03.720 And so we tend to ignore it.

00:24:05.640 We tend to use all these euphemisms to try to avoid what's going on here.

00:24:09.200 So Kofnus points to a Wall Street Journal story that says teens helped bring back malls to life.

00:24:16.640 Now they're getting banned.

00:24:17.660 Mall owners resort to banning anyone under 18 accompanied by an adult following ways of teen disruption at their properties. 1.00

00:24:24.080 And again, Kofnus, who I'm not a huge fan of, but he tells the truth here. 1.00

00:24:27.240 The story is about race, but they won't mention the word race.

00:24:32.600 It's the family and friends event at Shoppers Drug Mart.

00:24:35.580 Get 20% off almost all regular priced merchandise.

00:24:38.620 Now, again, you don't need a lot of statistics if you've got eyeballs to figure this one out.

00:24:56.840 But, you know, there are plenty of statistics to prove exactly what's being done here.

00:25:02.960 When you look, and these are amazing numbers, right?

00:25:06.540 When you look at crime in the United States, most people will say, well, you know, men and women, different crime rates, obviously.

00:25:15.120 Why? Well, because men are more violent than women. 0.85

00:25:18.060 We all accept that. I hope so. 1.00

00:25:19.480 If you believe in differences between men and women, and we should all be reality enjoyers here, you know, we don't believe men and women are the same. 1.00

00:25:27.120 That's why we don't think the transgender stuff was real. Right. 1.00

00:25:29.720 That's why we don't think that that's a true explanation, that if you just rearrange, mutilate some body parts, or if you dress differently and try to raise your voice or take some hormones, that you become a woman, right?

00:25:41.660 And so we understand that men are stronger than women. 0.79

00:25:44.120 They're also more violent than women. 0.65

00:25:45.420 That's what testosterone does. 0.99

00:25:47.580 The nature of men are protectors and they were out there to kill that which tried to kill the tribe. 0.67

00:25:54.460 They were out there to kill animals and bring them home, hunters.

00:25:58.780 you know the men were built to do the violent role when it comes to the human species well if 1.00

00:26:06.060 you look at the crime numbers you'll see that for when it comes to violent crime black women are 0.93

00:26:12.900 either just as likely or just a little less likely it depends on what numbers you're looking some put 0.96

00:26:17.700 it a little higher some put a little lower some put it about the middle but generally they are

00:26:21.880 around the same crime rate as white men so that that male female gap in violent crime which is

00:26:30.660 very wide suddenly disappears when you compare white men to black women because the instances

00:26:38.360 of violent crime even among black women are extremely high other people will blame it on

00:26:43.420 poverty right they'll say oh well it's it's it's the the socioeconomic factors right like that's 0.97

00:26:48.700 what it is crime causes poverty but if you look at the numbers uh you know well well off black

00:26:55.780 people or at least like middle class black people also have higher elevated numbers than many

00:27:02.500 lower income white communities so even when we look at the economics when we look at the gender 0.97

00:27:08.620 gap uh you know it still matters right like black men do more crime than black women and rich black

00:27:15.640 people do less crime than poor black people but when you start comparing you know middle income 0.97

00:27:22.500 blacks to poor whites or you start comparing men white men to black women you see that actually 0.59

00:27:31.600 those statistics kind of even out and all of a sudden that idea that it's just the gender or 0.94

00:27:37.700 it's just the money disappears right like we start to see a consistent pattern even when it's black 0.74

00:27:44.120 women even when it's you know black people who are earning a decent income we still see the higher 0.54

00:27:50.060 levels of violence now there are probably many compounding factors involved in there and culture

00:27:55.120 is is definitely one of them but we see this result over and over again however you want to

00:28:00.040 explain it it's not enough to simply say well uh you know it's just a generic problem with teens

00:28:06.340 it's a generic problem with men it's a generic problem with poverty no it's not unfortunately

00:28:11.860 That would be a lot easier for everybody if it was. But when we look at the statistics, when we start comparing about these, like, ultimately, we see this over and over again. Now, again, culture, you know, the family, absentee fatherhood, these are all huge factors, right? And maybe it's all contained in there.

00:28:30.320 but ultimately i think you have to look at the cold hard facts and say there seems to be even

00:28:37.460 when we rearrange economics even when we rearrange gender a consistent problem with violence when it

00:28:42.780 comes to black americans and it doesn't do anyone any good to use these euphemisms it's not about

00:28:48.660 the scholars it's not about you know changing consumer habits it's not about teens yeah and

00:28:54.960 Kaufness is right to point this out. Just as an aside, just a personal experience to add an

00:29:02.120 anecdote to the data. I remember distinctly, I had just gotten out of school at USF in Tampa.

00:29:09.120 I graduated from the University of South Florida. And if you've ever been to USF, if you've ever

00:29:13.560 been around there, it's famous. I posted about this on Twitter and it's a ton of people from

00:29:17.160 Tampa being like, man, I know exactly what you're talking about. And everybody who's been there

00:29:20.780 knows exactly what you're talking about but there's this mall that is right next to usf

00:29:25.880 university square mall uh and that mall even has like deals with the university uh i don't know if

00:29:32.620 they still do this but they used to like bus large classes in the move into the movie theater

00:29:37.600 you know if you had these these huge you know biology 101 or early math classes or something

00:29:43.300 where you need to put a large amount of people into any given class they would just rent a movie

00:29:48.220 theater and take all of the people there and they would teach the class in the movie theater

00:29:51.360 so this is right next to usf this is right next to the biggest uh college in that area uh one

00:29:58.100 that's that's pretty important you know for the economics and that mall was uh obviously

00:30:04.640 not doing well and i had a buddy actually a very nice progressive jewish guy uh funny enough and

00:30:12.020 he had also just graduated and he was getting his first job and his job was in market research

00:30:18.020 and so you know we both had gotten our first job we were still in the area and he is working for

00:30:24.540 a company that's doing market research for university square mall and as he's doing that

00:30:30.080 research uh you know he's kind of getting more and more distraught and one day uh when when we're

00:30:36.220 hanging out he kind of turns to me and he says you know orrin i just don't know how to tell my 1.00

00:30:42.260 company that the mall is attracting too many black people and it's making it unsafe and the

00:30:47.800 theft is going up and so people don't want to go there anymore and like he was having a true crisis 0.56

00:30:53.960 like this is this is a progressive guy right like this this is a very progressive jewish guy like he 0.61

00:30:59.860 he does not want to notice these things he doesn't want to say these things uh these this this goes

00:31:04.760 against his beliefs uh but ultimately as a market researcher as a guy who has to look at the data

00:31:10.780 and look at what's going on here there's no other thing he can conclude like this is the sad reality

00:31:17.660 of what's happening to the mall but he probably doesn't need to tell the people who own the mall

00:31:24.480 that they probably already know because they have eyeballs they can see what's happening in the mall

00:31:30.360 they look at the arrest reports they look at uh you know the who's loitering they look at the stores

00:31:36.220 that are going out of business and which ones are still thriving and they tend to be the ones that

00:31:40.660 are catering to the tastes of black Americans like they could see that shifting inside the mall 0.80

00:31:46.000 so I'm sure they knew all this before they even hired this guy to do it but of course they don't 0.97

00:31:51.400 want to say it they don't want to acknowledge it they don't want to acknowledge what's going on

00:31:55.240 why the mall is becoming unsafe why it's being you know its numbers are being driven down remember

00:32:01.240 this is decades and decades ago this is before Amazon this is before you know the the retail

00:32:06.600 great retail uh you know shutdown of covid and uh all this stuff this this is 20 years ago at this

00:32:14.200 point so this is before the the huge retail crisis you can't blame this on online shopping and covid

00:32:21.240 and all those things this is pre all that and still that that was the state of the mall right

00:32:28.240 and so i'm sure they hired him knowing where you were at and why how you got here but they didn't

00:32:33.860 want to say it so they're hoping if they paid someone else either they would say it or they'd

00:32:37.820 get an alternative explanation they can blame and to be honest i never talked to him again uh about

00:32:43.240 that so i don't know what he did i don't know if he was honest with them about his conclusions if

00:32:48.240 he made up something else if if he was honest and they ultimately took uh you know that that to heart

00:32:53.640 i'm sure they didn't because from what i've heard i haven't been to university mall in a long time

00:32:57.620 when i go to tampa i'm not going to university mall but from what i've heard it's only gotten

00:33:01.320 worse. It's actually just gotten much, much worse since I was there. And so you have a scenario

00:33:09.060 where like everybody knows what's going on. Everybody knows the problem with the university

00:33:12.880 mall, but the police don't want to deal with it because it makes them racist. And the mall doesn't

00:33:16.860 want to deal with it because it makes them racist. And the media doesn't want to talk about it

00:33:20.160 because it makes them racist. And so everyone is kind of playing hot potato with this reality,

00:33:25.980 hoping that someone else gets caught having to say the quiet part out loud, hoping that someone

00:33:30.600 else has to acknowledge reality. Everybody knows reality. It's not hidden. The market research

00:33:36.740 shows it. The economics show it. The arrest records show it. Your eyeballs show it.

00:33:44.800 But everyone needs someone else to say it. And even then, they kind of probably need to act

00:33:49.540 as if they're shocked. Now, obviously, malls have had a much more serious problem.

00:33:55.580 And I want to be clear here, before I get into the mall issue, I don't think it's the best that we needed malls to become a third space for predominantly teenagers, right?

00:34:10.020 Like one of the reasons that malls became so popular when I was a kid is that there really weren't a lot of places that teenagers were allowed to spend time unsupervised.

00:34:21.200 most of the third what we call third places not home not work or school in the case of a teenager

00:34:27.660 but but another place that wasn't your house where you're being supervised your parents wasn't your

00:34:33.800 work or school where you're being supervised by teachers or by employers but a third place where

00:34:38.800 people can gather right and we used to have a lot more of these we used to have a lot of these shared

00:34:43.140 spaces uh you know parks uh we used to have uh you know different organizations that would host

00:34:48.960 gatherings. You had a lot more freedom for people to be out and them out in cafes and all these

00:34:54.700 things. There was a culture being in coffee houses and meeting places. And you were able to go out

00:35:00.740 and be a teenager. Now, sometimes in many cases, people did get into trouble, right? Like there

00:35:07.320 are these things, you know, I don't know about you, but when I was a teen, kids would get together,

00:35:11.220 go to these bonfires in the woods where they'd be unsupervised. And sometimes they would do stupid 0.99

00:35:16.360 stuff there uh you know again it's not like there's not there hasn't been even in in all you 0.97

00:35:21.940 know races and cultures some level of like teams need to get in some place to like you know be

00:35:27.140 unsupervised and to get in trouble uh that that that has existed for a very long time uh but we're

00:35:32.800 seeing like the constant concentration of that and the escalation of that behavior in these different 0.85

00:35:39.120 populations very specifically many of the black populations and so when i was a kid i don't think 0.97

00:35:44.140 it was good that malls became the third place because in many ways obviously like it's a 0.89

00:35:50.280 monument to consumerism the fact that the reason you were allowed to be in a mall is you were there

00:35:55.820 to buy stuff you couldn't just stay in one store you basically you'd go and you would walk from

00:36:02.460 store to store with your friends you get a group of your friends together and you would all just

00:36:06.400 kind of drift in every out of every store and if you as long as you kept walking and as long as you

00:36:12.300 were buying something every once in a while you know they weren't going to harass you they weren't

00:36:16.220 the short stores weren't going to run you out they weren't going to get you for loitering that

00:36:20.180 kind of thing and so it allowed you to kind of hang out with your friends spend some time together

00:36:24.420 unfortunate like that going out and spending money you're just buying random stuff at a mall

00:36:31.320 was the only way that you could bond together was the only time you had a lot of these spaces so i

00:36:37.760 want to make that clear i'm not like worshiping the mall i'm not nostalgic for the mall as the

00:36:42.280 ideal form of like social cohesion and place where you could find yourself as a team. Like

00:36:48.440 that's not what I'm saying here. However, even a mall actually requires a certain level of trust

00:36:55.800 in society. Even though the mall being a third place is kind of a, uh, is itself a marker of

00:37:02.080 decline? Is itself already a signal that something is wrong with your society, that you have to make

00:37:07.920 this uh you know the place that you gather even though that's the case it still required a certain

00:37:13.820 level of trust shared expectation cultural expectation when we're in public there's a way

00:37:19.720 we behave even as teenagers even as teenagers that want to you know have some fun and be goofy

00:37:25.220 and maybe do some things we wouldn't do around our parents ultimately you're not crossing the

00:37:29.980 line into like complete violence you're not crossing the line into stealing stuff burning

00:37:35.280 things down, uh, you know, uh, fighting in the middle of the mall. Like once that stuff starts

00:37:40.360 happening, you got bounced real quick. And so you knew you had to maintain a certain level of

00:37:45.660 behavior to continue to be a teenager in the mall. There was a shared understanding of how you had

00:37:52.300 to conduct yourself, even in a group of relatively unruly teenagers, there were still certain

00:37:57.340 barriers you just did not cross if you wanted to be able to stay in that area.

00:38:01.540 and so now you have this scenario where the teens the the specifically african-american teens

00:38:14.160 are moving into these places because they really don't have any other third spaces to go

00:38:19.060 and more and more you have other ethnicities that just don't want to be there especially

00:38:24.120 white people they just don't they don't go to those malls anymore because they know that 0.99

00:38:28.180 they're not welcome, that the space is going to be unpleasant, that there's a fair amount of

00:38:34.780 likelihood that they could be harassed just because of the color of their skin. And ultimately,

00:38:39.620 they know that if there is bad behavior and they start pointing it out, that they're going to get

00:38:45.640 in trouble. I'll never forget when I went to a movie theater one time with someone, and there

00:38:52.980 was a whole bunch of black people in you know the first few rows and they were behaving really badly 1.00

00:38:59.040 like they weren't just uh you know a little loud or something they weren't just uh you know uh you 0.99

00:39:06.100 know on their phones or something like they were throwing things at each other uh they were sitting

00:39:10.220 in people's seats and refusing to move because this was when they started giving people you know

00:39:14.480 the the uh assigned seats in the movie theater and they wouldn't get up uh you know and it got

00:39:19.960 to the point where the people i was with they said specifically we just can't go to that mall

00:39:24.840 anymore because we can't tell those people to move like they're in our seats and we can't tell

00:39:29.620 them to behave we can't complain to the attendance we can't tell those people to move and so they

00:39:35.040 just decided never good to go back to this movie theater movie theater is perfectly nice it was

00:39:39.660 modern it wasn't run down none of that at the time now not so much right but at the time like it was

00:39:45.640 it was a movie theater in good standing but because you had enough of a concentration of

00:39:49.960 a population that you felt like you couldn't interact with that if you if you brought up the

00:39:55.740 issue that they were behaving badly you would be a racist if you ask them to be escorted out you

00:39:59.820 would be a racist if you went up to them and asked them to stop behaving that way or to get out of

00:40:03.540 your seat they might start a fight and if they started a fight you'd be the one in trouble right 0.61

00:40:07.380 if that goes on social media oh white guy goes up to a black guy and tells him he needs to move out 0.83

00:40:11.620 of his seat. You're going to be the evil guy telling Rosa Parks to get to the back of the bus 0.94

00:40:16.400 on social media 10 minutes later and probably catch a beating from a bunch of people who are

00:40:21.000 very angry about you doing it. And so rather than correct this behavior, enforce those social

00:40:26.400 standards, right? This is the key. This is what social fabric comes from. Social fabric comes from

00:40:31.960 informal enforcement. And that's the problem with Janine Hero there, right? Again, I'm sure she's 0.99

00:40:37.960 doing her best. I'm like, I'm not trying to attack her in this specific case, but I'm just saying

00:40:42.000 this is ultimately why this doesn't end up working because real social cohesion, real high trust

00:40:48.320 societies come from that inherent enforcement. People don't sit in your seat because they know

00:40:54.160 that it's bad manners, but also they know that the people around them are going to be very angry and

00:41:01.060 perturbed if they start getting crappy with you over trying to take over that seat. If you show

00:41:07.840 up and you say, hey, that's my seat. And the 15 people around them say, actually, it's our seat

00:41:12.640 now. What are you going to do about it? And no one says anything. Well, they're in charge. But if you

00:41:17.700 show up to that seat and everyone around them says, hey, man, yeah, that's his seat. You need to get

00:41:22.520 out of it. And if they start trying to fight you, all those people say, what are you doing? Like,

00:41:26.180 get out of here. Go get the people running this place. And in the meantime, we're going to protect 1.00

00:41:32.760 that person like if that's the response no the person with the ticket is in the right then you

00:41:38.500 maintain that high trust right because if that's the default okay we are going to behave this way

00:41:45.320 and everyone around us is going to notice that we need to behave this way and so if you violate that

00:41:51.660 no matter what we're going to attack that violation and the people in charge are going to side with us

00:41:57.040 the police are going to side with the high trust society the runners of the movie theater they're

00:42:02.500 going to side with that expectation then you don't get that but when you flip it and you say actually

00:42:08.280 there's a class of people who can go into a movie theater they can behave really badly they can

00:42:15.500 ignore the rules and if you try to correct them you're going to be at fault and everyone's going

00:42:20.600 to back them when they violate the rules and the people in charge they're going to be too scared

00:42:25.260 to enforce the rules or they're going to blame you too well now we broke it down right now there

00:42:29.420 is no trust. Now the society can no longer have these self-enforcing rules. And then there's only

00:42:35.160 two options. Either you crack down on everybody, which is the Jeanine Pirro option, right? This is

00:42:41.120 the anarcho-tyranny. We're going to make more rules. We're going to create more restrictions

00:42:46.060 in order to, you know, by saying everybody needs to follow him, even though we know it's a specific

00:42:51.780 group in a specific place causing this problem. It's more rules for everybody so that we can try

00:42:57.840 to catch the people who are doing it wrong by creating more rules or you get the white flight

00:43:02.580 people move away people say i'm not dealing with this like if i'm in this area and i'm going to be

00:43:08.960 targeted i'm going to be a victim of these people with no back from you know anyone around me if

00:43:16.060 that's going to be the case then i'm just moving out of this area i'm not going to that movie

00:43:18.860 theater anymore i'm not living in that neighborhood i'm not sending my kids to that school because i

00:43:22.900 know that there's two standards one for my kid one for my behavior the one we expect as people

00:43:28.800 who want a high trust society and then there's another set of rules for the special class

00:43:33.140 that can't be told no that can't be corrected that won't be arrested because of their behavior

00:43:38.600 because it's going to be some kind of social sin for us to correct them when you have that

00:43:44.160 double standard when you have that two-tier system then people are either gonna like i said

00:43:51.320 have just these draconian attempts to like lock down everything or they're just going to give up

00:43:56.240 and flee right and then it's your fault oh white flight you it's implying that you are somehow

00:44:00.840 at fault for fleeing because you're like a racist or something not because your neighborhood suddenly 0.91

00:44:06.220 you know went sideways not because you can't live in the place that you live for generations not

00:44:12.380 that your family who built up those areas and has been a part of contributing them for decades or

00:44:17.280 centuries is suddenly now getting run out of town so that another class of people who don't have to

00:44:21.700 live by those rules get to control them. No, no, no. It's your fault for fleeing, right? And we can

00:44:27.660 see this yet again here. So this one is particularly insane. So if you're not familiar, this technology

00:44:34.820 called gunshot detection, right? The shot placement. I've actually been in exactly these

00:44:42.560 type of meetings when i was a local reporter i covered uh you know when these systems were being

00:44:47.480 put in and they were being installed you guessed it right near our martin luther king jr boulevard

00:44:53.180 right and when i you know went to these meetings it was you know it was not as woke back then when

00:44:58.960 i was covering these meetings but it was same kind of concerns were brought up if we put these shot

00:45:03.940 detection systems and what it is basically a series of microphones that can triangulate

00:45:07.860 where a shot comes from right so if you're in a if you're in a uh dangerous community uh and a

00:45:15.280 gunshot goes off then the microphones around the area pick up that loud sound and they can triangulate

00:45:22.000 where the shot came from pretty accurately and the police can then narrow it down and investigate

00:45:26.980 that area figure out who was in the area at the time where the crime might have taken place who

00:45:32.240 might have been involved, right? And so these systems have become very popular because they

00:45:38.160 really help to nail where these violent crimes are occurring and track them down. The problem,

00:45:43.000 as you might expect, is that they tend to reveal that most of the people shooting people are 0.98

00:45:49.420 black, right? Or at least minority of some kind, but generally black, again, just looking at 0.97

00:45:55.200 statistics. And so you have the scenario where everyone knows why the gunshot system is in the

00:46:03.260 neighborhood in the first place. Everybody knows why. And so the people at this council meeting

00:46:08.900 are literally arguing, we can't have this system because it identifies more crime for minorities. 0.99

00:46:14.980 Like these are progressive activists. They know that's where the crime is. They know why the system 1.00

00:46:19.560 is being installed in this neighborhood, but they're actively saying we have to get rid of 1.00

00:46:23.760 system because it reveals too many people who are minorities are doing the crime i do not consent

00:46:31.600 for my vulnerable neighbors in our welcome community sanctuary city to be at risk and 0.58

00:46:37.920 to make sure we hear from neighbors more directly impacted than i am i will also be sharing a

00:46:43.120 recorded note from a putnam gardens resident he's unable to be here but feels that shot

00:46:49.040 ShotSpotter's surveillance puts him and his family at risk.

00:46:56.480 I love that she just recorded it in Spanish.

00:46:59.640 Like, just, just, we're not even kidding, right? 1.00

00:47:01.680 Like, obviously, probably a legal immigrant, doesn't speak any English, can't even talk about it. 0.96

00:47:05.780 But it's very angry that, like, people in his neighborhood are being singled out for violent crime because they're doing violent crime. 0.94

00:47:19.040 And this puts black and brown communities in Cambridge in very real danger.

00:47:23.920 The BIPOC members of the Cambridge community are more likely to be recorded by ShotSpotter. 0.98

00:47:28.740 Why? Why are minorities more likely to be recorded by ShotSpotter?

00:47:36.300 What is the reason for that? 1.00

00:47:41.840 Could it be because they're doing more shooting?

00:47:44.220 and thus are more vulnerable to potential abuses of the data and recordings collected by the

00:47:50.480 company as well as dangerous over policing surveillance you see it's dangerous over

00:47:57.080 policing the people getting shot yeah you know what are you gonna do but the policing is very

00:48:01.860 dangerous does not equal safety we do not need microphones on top of buildings listening to

00:48:07.420 every loud noise in the vicinity and sending in police in order to be safe actually it turns out

00:48:12.780 you do actually it turns out you really do need that because the communities are violent and so

00:48:19.460 cambridge voted to disable the gunshot detection right like they're done we we know that the violent

00:48:26.260 crime has occurred we have a tool that can tell us where the criminals are help us solve the violent 1.00

00:48:32.180 crime but we want it shut off we want it shut down because black or brown people going to jail 1.00

00:48:42.080 is worse than them murdering people like we know how to fight crime and and this is 1.00

00:48:50.000 look there's no easy way to say this but this is the problem across the board this is the problem

00:48:56.980 across the board when people talk about crime they talk about it as if this is some modern

00:49:02.600 invention and we just have no clue how to solve this problem but we do we know exactly how to

00:49:08.600 solve the problem we know where the crime happens we know how to reduce the crime we have the tools

00:49:15.040 we have things like gunshot detective detection but these liberals i mean you have a liberal white 0.93

00:49:21.020 woman playing the immigrants words right of course you know they're but but obviously most of the

00:49:27.200 people complaining in this are you know black or hispanic and they're all saying they're not saying 0.99

00:49:31.760 the crime isn't happening they're not saying that the danger isn't there they're all just saying 0.99

00:49:36.860 yeah we know but we don't want people to go to jail for doing violent crime so we want you to 1.00

00:49:42.240 shut down the thing that keeps people safe so that black and brown people don't go to jail 1.00

00:49:47.260 and the city council obliges yes more people will die yes more crimes will go unsolved that's the 0.99

00:49:53.380 point they know they know that more crime will be unsolved they know that they know why the gunshot

00:49:58.760 detection is there they know what it does they know what they they probably spent hundreds of

00:50:04.120 millions of dollars at least tens of millions of dollars probably to put it in place in the first

00:50:07.460 place to get the infrastructure going to to to pay you know pay the companies and everything 1.00

00:50:13.680 and they're just going to shut it off because too many black and brown people right that's it 1.00

00:50:21.700 and we saw this before remember this is the disparate impact doctrine that is still the 0.99

00:50:25.880 law of the land in the united states by the way and when we had sheets gas station under the

00:50:32.860 administration running background checks they had to pay out a civil rights lawsuit they lost a

00:50:40.160 civil rights lawsuit with the Biden administration they had to settle it I think I don't think they

00:50:44.280 actively lost but I think they had to settle it because there was a accusation that because they

00:50:52.360 were running background checks just criminal background checks just have you committed a crime

00:50:57.460 too many black and brown people were being disqualified because more of them commit crimes 0.83

00:51:02.900 the stats stats in this case don't lie stats can lie they can be manipulated but when you 0.99

00:51:09.600 consistently when you do the background checks when you do the gunshot detection when you break

00:51:16.460 the numbers down over and over again the really unpleasant really difficult but really obvious 0.94

00:51:22.640 truth is that the majority of the crime is being committed by minorities and in many cases of the 0.98

00:51:28.780 violent crime very much american blacks and because of that if you arrest people who are doing crime 0.99

00:51:35.880 if you use databases to check who's a criminal before you hire them if you use gunshot detection 0.74

00:51:42.400 to find where guns are being fired from disproportionately you will find black and brown 0.97

00:51:48.640 people are the ones doing the crime and so they'll get excluded from the job or they'll get arrested 1.00

00:51:54.080 or they'll be banned from downtown or the mall and so we we know how to solve these problems but

00:52:01.540 when we solve these problems we're going to be excluding or arresting specific communities

00:52:06.820 because that's where the concentration of the problem exists and that's what we don't want to

00:52:11.100 talk about that's what we don't want to touch with a 10-foot pole is that we know who who this crime

00:52:16.560 who is doing this crime. Now, obviously, this doesn't mean you should treat individuals you

00:52:21.800 know any different, right? Statistical abstractions are not the same as individuals you know and care

00:52:26.320 about. So there are plenty of people who fall into these categories who are perfectly good people

00:52:31.640 and would not do crime and would not hurt you, and you should not treat them poorly or exclude

00:52:35.860 them from a job or something if that's not the case. But if it is the case, if they have committed

00:52:41.300 crime and they don't get a job because they've committed crime and they happen to be Black or 0.99

00:52:45.880 Hispanic, disproportionately, well, tough. We shouldn't have to live like this. We shouldn't 1.00

00:52:50.640 literally have it written into civil rights law, or at least through these court cases. Actually,

00:52:57.860 it is written back into civil rights law. The Republicans actually made sure that it was written

00:53:02.180 back into civil rights law in 1992, I believe. But ultimately, the point is that we should not

00:53:07.940 have to live this way. We should be able to acknowledge statistical realities. You don't

00:53:12.100 need to hate people of a specific race you shouldn't do that you shouldn't be out there

00:53:16.080 you know shunning people you know who are good people because they happen to have a specific

00:53:19.900 skin color but the reality is that crime in the united states while not exclusively in any way

00:53:26.220 done by black people or hispanic people or minorities in general is very disproportionately 0.96

00:53:31.680 done by them and so any efforts to crack down on that will fall on them and if we're going to have 0.74

00:53:37.800 a real country that actually treats people like they're supposed to be treated the way they've

00:53:42.600 earned by the content of their character well then we have to recognize when the content of

00:53:47.100 their character is poor not just when it's great and so if an individual commits a crime and they

00:53:54.220 don't get a job because they committed the crime or they go to jail because they committed the crime

00:53:57.600 or they're banned from some place because they're committing the crime then that should be fine and 0.83

00:54:04.060 if the majority of people who then are excluded are black or hispanic or something else well

00:54:10.320 that's fine too because that's how fairness actually works that's how equal application

00:54:16.000 of the law actually works and this is the problem right like a lot of people say oh well you know

00:54:21.220 how do we handle all this how do we deal with this and the truth is we don't need any new

00:54:26.500 criminal laws like just fairly applying the law equally across the board would be enough

00:54:31.520 but unfortunately due to court ruling civil rights law we're not allowed to do that

00:54:36.020 we're explicitly not allowed to do that we have it built in that you have disparate impacts so

00:54:42.360 you're not allowed to notice when or actually i should say that another way you absolutely have

00:54:47.840 to notice when certain groups are excluded or don't perform as well and then you have to take

00:54:55.100 action to intervene and solve that problem even if it hurts your business if it hurts what you're

00:55:00.740 doing if it affects law enforcement the fact that you are allowed to sue if there's some

00:55:06.260 disproportionate application uh of the law in a community because they actually did the crime

00:55:11.920 means that police have to basically skirt around all the stuff not to mention the public backlash

00:55:17.500 right so like on the books we don't need like we don't need some law that says you know black or

00:55:24.020 hispanic people or minorities you know get longer sentences or you know they have special

00:55:28.960 restrictions like we don't need doing that we can keep like just basic laws for everybody but we 0.78

00:55:35.180 would need to apply the law equally and that's the problem people say we need a colorblind

00:55:39.780 application law but there is no colorblind application law because colorblind application 0.76

00:55:43.560 law is a violation of the law itself right now not covering up black or brown crime is a violation

00:55:51.520 of law actually using background checks to see if someone was a criminal and it then excludes 0.59

00:55:59.940 more black or brown people that is a violation of the law and so we're not allowed to treat people

00:56:04.520 equally i can't just give everybody an iq test to see if i want to hire them it's explicitly banned 1.00

00:56:10.200 by griggs versus duke power so i have to send them to college and they all have to spend a bunch of

00:56:14.900 money and become radical progressives so they can have a sorting process that excludes a lot of

00:56:22.720 the same people, right? Or when you have a background check, I can't just do a general

00:56:28.340 background check against white, black, Asian, Hispanic, whoever, people, because it's going to

00:56:35.400 reveal on a regular basis, more white people are allowed to be hired and fewer black and

00:56:39.640 brown people are allowed to be hired. So the law, as it is currently written,

00:56:45.140 explicitly forbids colorblind application. So while I like the idea of we just go back to a

00:56:52.600 colorblind application law at the moment, that itself is illegal. We would have to change the

00:56:57.020 actual underpinning framework of the civil rights revolution in order to allow for a equal application

00:57:03.000 of the law but that should at least be our goal again i don't think we need a bunch of new laws

00:57:09.740 i don't like the approach the the janine pirrow approach though i understand why she's doing it 0.85

00:57:14.960 like i don't like this general like well we'll just crack down on everybody and then that'll

00:57:20.580 just catch some segment maybe because like ultimately the very parents who you know

00:57:26.700 weren't paying attention to the kids in the first place to allow a large number of black teens to

00:57:30.480 get together and basically hold a mini race riot like that's not going to be fixed because the 0.82

00:57:35.920 parents didn't care in the first place you're not going to track them down if you did they're

00:57:39.800 going to have some kind of plausible deniability it's going to be incredibly difficult and 0.61

00:57:42.820 ultimately if everybody involved who's getting hit with these are black the courts are going to say 0.66

00:57:47.700 oh you're using some technique that targets black people even though the only thing you're doing 0.68

00:57:51.200 is just calling parents and finding out if they knew about their kids acting up in this area but

00:57:56.320 that will be seen as racially biased because pretty much everyone at the team get together

00:58:02.200 the team takeover is black so everyone you would arrest every parent you would charge 0.82

00:58:06.520 would be black so yeah it's going to be disproportionate because disproportionately 0.99

00:58:10.960 it's black teens doing the crime doing the damage it's black parents allowing them now 0.99

00:58:17.920 to be fair there are plenty of black people who are fully aware of this problem right like 0.99

00:58:23.980 Larry Elder is not going to pull punches when it comes to black crime or black fatherlessness. 1.00

00:58:29.340 Someone like Jason Whitlock is going to tell you the truth about this. 1.00

00:58:32.480 Because guess what?

00:58:33.480 They're black people who don't want it to be this way.

00:58:36.360 There are good black people who are, you know, conservatives. 0.79

00:58:39.460 They don't want to see this.

00:58:40.540 They expect more from their communities.

00:58:42.360 They want to see equal treatment.

00:58:44.000 And they're very serious about it.

00:58:45.800 And kudos to them.

00:58:47.080 They're fantastic.

00:58:48.580 But the unfortunate problem is they're a minority. 0.99

00:58:51.940 they're a minority of a minority of a minority and again god bless them for it it's it can't be

00:58:57.620 easy to get up in front of people who have been told their whole lives that they have a free pass 1.00

00:59:03.920 for that kind of violence who you are part of in some way their community and tell them you need

00:59:09.120 to do better and you know we we deserve to have a safe environment that means we need to crack down

00:59:14.700 on bad behavior in our community that cannot be easy but again it's just not enough and that's

00:59:19.160 not their fault you know god bless them you know absolute absolute pillars of their community if

00:59:24.820 their community would allow it but unfortunately they are usually not in fact most cases they're

00:59:29.220 called uncle toms they're called traitors and they have to fight against that every day and

00:59:33.600 again can't be easy god bless them for having the courage uh but what we're seeing is is a larger 0.99

00:59:38.480 problem and we can't wait around for the larry elders or the jason whitlocks to convince people

00:59:43.620 that this needs to be taken seriously again fantastic people but they can't do it alone

00:59:47.960 Right. Like it's clearly not enough. We have to be able to speak more frankly about this. We need to adjust civil rights law so that we can actually address these issues. So it's not illegal to apply the law equally. I'm fine with equal treatment under the law. I support equal treatment under the law, but we don't have it. That's absolutely not what we have in our society. And until we fix that, teen takeovers are going to be the least of our problems.

01:00:13.000 all right guys let's head to the questions of the people here we have quite a bit today

01:00:18.880 let's see sean wyland says pub med on the two repeat a la over maoa covers this uh i'm sorry

01:00:35.440 but i have no idea what that means there's a lot of there's a lot of abbreviations that i i don't

01:00:43.000 Maybe I should know, but, uh, sorry, I don't quite understand that one. Sorry, man.

01:00:49.720 All right. Um, the real Justin says, uh, my fatigue is fatigued. Yeah. I think everyone

01:00:57.940 is pretty tired of this one. Uh, cherry Coke Nixon says teen takeovers in the U S teen

01:01:04.780 grape gangs in the UK and Germany. Things are worse. No matter elections. I don't see any

01:01:10.420 end in sight feels over well look man i look first you're right that unfortunately this phenomenon is

01:01:15.780 not just in the united states right we have uh the same thing when it came to the uk they just

01:01:19.900 ignored the fact that most of the people uh you know sexually assaulting women in that area were

01:01:26.560 all of one ethnicity and one religion uh and so they you know lied about it they use euphemisms

01:01:32.340 very very similar behavior um i will say i don't think you should black pill on this too much not

01:01:38.700 because this isn't difficult not because this isn't something that has to get addressed but i

01:01:44.120 think there are just more people willing to talk about this man like if you if you look at what's

01:01:49.100 happening in the uk right now uh restore britain uh rupert lowe they are not pulling their punches

01:01:55.280 on who is doing this right like they are being very very clear yes the government's cracking

01:01:59.660 down as much as they can but they are being very clear now about the problem they're they're they're

01:02:04.120 not holding back. The attempt to contain that discussion was so obvious that they actually just

01:02:11.080 basically blew right past kind of restore or reform Britain. Sorry, I wish they hadn't named

01:02:17.760 the party so similar. It's hard to keep them straight. But they blew right past Nigel Farage

01:02:22.380 and his like fake opposition. And in the United States, while we're still having trouble discussing

01:02:27.820 this, more and more people aren't, right? Like, you know, Jason Whitlock has done shows on why

01:02:33.260 MLK was not actually some kind of a great, uh, Christian American black leader. I've done shows

01:02:40.460 on that, uh, John Doyle. So just three people on the blaze have done series shows about, you know,

01:02:46.840 I've talked about the civil rights movement and it's dangers, uh, you know, and now Matt Walsh

01:02:50.860 has come out with like a series on this at the daily wire. So, I mean, can you imagine 10 years

01:02:56.280 ago, uh, you know, the daily wire and the blaze running multiple episodes across multiple hosts 0.51

01:03:02.180 about black crime about civil rights movements martin luther king how much of this is fake

01:03:08.220 how much of this is you know a smoke screen i don't think you could man so i think things have

01:03:13.740 changed radically so i wouldn't black bill i think actually as as difficult as some of this is as

01:03:19.660 annoying or not annoying but frankly dangerous as some of this is ultimately i think we are getting

01:03:26.460 to the point where people are having these conversations and they are normalizing the

01:03:30.020 ability to recognize what's going on. Nixon also says time for midnight basketball programs. Yeah.

01:03:37.700 Give the kids something to do. Give the teams, the teens something to do. Nixon also says team

01:03:42.980 issues were minor before Obama's awakening. Uh, that's just not true. I, I'm sorry. I like, this

01:03:49.380 is, this is a little bit of false history and you know, I love, I love you cherry Coke Nixon. Uh,

01:03:53.540 but, but I think that that's not exactly correct. I mean, I remember the Rodney King riot. I

01:03:59.780 remember many many of these riots unfortunately you know this is something we tend to ignore uh

01:04:06.160 you know oj all this stuff like race riots have been a pretty consistent part of american history

01:04:11.400 specifically black race riots have been a pretty consistent part of american history especially

01:04:16.260 since the 1950s and 60s um we tend to sweep them under the rug we tend to pretend that it hasn't

01:04:22.700 uh but that they they they might have upticked after obama i'll give you that but i think they

01:04:28.920 were always a problem he says teens don't fear jail time and want your bus seat uh unfortunately

01:04:35.620 that is true there is a normalization of being a felon prison time often that culture sometimes

01:04:40.760 glorified look i remember when i was teaching and i taught a minority majority minority school

01:04:45.700 and i was teaching um civics so one of the things we discussed is you know what is the difference

01:04:51.940 between a misdemeanor and a felony because they're learning about the criminal justice system

01:04:55.140 and when i explained the difference i had multiple uh minorities in my class say oh

01:05:02.520 my dad is a felon and so they started comparing the different felonies of their dads and what

01:05:10.980 job they did in prison i promise i'm not making this up like there was a spontaneous oh yeah my

01:05:16.360 dad's a felon my dad's a felon too cool man what's your dad in for oh yeah that's cool

01:05:20.740 what what job what what job did you have when he was in prison oh he's still in prison he's doing

01:05:25.840 this right now oh okay oh well how long is he and they're like they're like competing to see whose

01:05:30.560 dad had the longest uh record in prison like who who was who who had the most days the most years

01:05:36.720 served in prison that was like some kind of badge of honor like these are the classes i taught i am

01:05:41.680 not making this up i promise you know i will swear on stacks of bibles that this is actually

01:05:46.820 what happened so it's pretty wild out there uh nixon also says can't escape to the suburbs since

01:05:53.860 obama era housing policy moved many teens to once to once safe towns in every major metro along with

01:06:00.380 costco shoppers okay now this part is true right there has been and and this is like the history

01:06:06.440 of white flight um you know people have talked about this uh jack sobek has talked about this

01:06:11.120 again major figures are talking about this guys this is less and less of a secret uh jeremy carl

01:06:16.320 guy who was up for a job in the administration, wrote a book that talked about this in part.

01:06:22.640 Nick Land has explained this phenomenon in The Dark Enlightenment. The white flight, the moving

01:06:28.760 away was an attempt to flee kind of the influx of this behavior and the double standards and 0.83

01:06:33.900 the violence and everything that came with it. And then Barack Obama said, oh, well, we can't have

01:06:38.960 any of those white people in their towns being safe. We have to because they're being racist, 0.93

01:06:44.080 Like they moved away because they're racist and they rebuilt nice towns somewhere else in the suburbs or whatever.

01:06:49.380 We need to start moving these people in.

01:06:51.360 We need to start. 1.00

01:06:52.060 You'll notice that when they started dropping like these these communities of Haitians or Somalis or these people, they kept dropping them in these like predominantly white out of the way areas. 0.99

01:07:03.340 And when they start doing that, it's not a mistake. 0.91

01:07:06.560 Right.

01:07:07.120 They know what they're doing.

01:07:09.000 And so, yeah, I think it's true that, you know, they change the housing laws, the zoning laws.

01:07:13.080 so you can't restrict the types of homes that many lower people come into that attract many

01:07:17.660 minorities and create much of the same chaos and so there's this constant attempt uh you know as

01:07:23.740 nick land would say you know it's it's exit these people are choosing exit over voice because the

01:07:27.880 voice isn't working anymore it's too dangerous to say hey if a bunch of people move in who are 0.55

01:07:33.680 low income they tend to be from certain minorities and the certain minorities tend to be more violent

01:07:38.200 and then my area becomes more violent and i can't let my kids play outside and i can't send to the 1.00

01:07:42.220 school and now all of a sudden i need to start a private school and i need to move into a gated

01:07:47.060 community to get away from the violence and actually it's just easier to move out of town

01:07:51.020 and so there's just like this constant chasing of people who are trying to be in safe areas

01:07:56.700 and unfortunately they recognize that when demographics shift the areas become less safe

01:08:02.500 and so rather than discuss that issue they keep trying to flee and then the government just

01:08:07.040 mandates that actually you have to have them there you have no other option you can't flee

01:08:12.160 You're not allowed to build your own thing. You're not allowed to exclude any, you know, any type of housing or any social arrangement that might ultimately disproportionately exclude those people. And so we see this time and time again.

01:08:24.500 uh jacob zindell says i worked at a retail as a retail clerk in anchorage uh in anchorage

01:08:32.820 arkansas okay i didn't know there was an anchorage arkansas east anchorage high school is actually

01:08:37.020 the number one most diverse in the u.s and we had dozens of teenagers hit us yep i mean again i

01:08:43.080 worked at minority majority majority minority school and those were the dynamics man like

01:08:49.260 you knew that if you were a white kid in that school you need to be very careful about where

01:08:54.080 you were at all times who you were hanging with what groups uh there was there could be flash

01:08:59.520 violence against you uh that a lot of these kids felt empowered to like just say really racist

01:09:04.260 stuff to white kids on a regular basis i would go to the principal with it the principal wouldn't do

01:09:08.620 anything i mean it's bad it's bad in those places and then it's oh well why aren't white kids in

01:09:14.480 those schools i mean you don't have to be a rocket scientist everybody knows everybody knows the

01:09:19.760 answer to this question and everybody pretends they don't because it's just really uncomfortable

01:09:24.500 but we can't pretend anymore we have to talk about it i know it makes people uncomfortable

01:09:27.820 people are going to call me mean names i don't care i don't care anymore we gotta we gotta keep

01:09:32.140 people safe we it's the hour's too late we can't dance around this anymore nixon also says changing

01:09:38.160 consumer habits from mcdonald's to costco yeah for people who don't know that catchphrase uh there

01:09:43.060 was a story that all of these fast food places were removing kind of the soda fountain, the

01:09:50.560 self-serve soda fountain out in the common area, right? And this is a similar trend we're seeing

01:09:55.460 across the board. So for a while, what businesses were doing is that they were shifting the burden

01:10:02.020 out of the consumer, right? So they said, oh, well, we could fill all these drinks or we can

01:10:07.820 just put the soda fountain out there and make the customer do it. And in many cases, the customer

01:10:11.980 prefers it because they don't have to explain it to uh the worker and they can decide if they want

01:10:16.500 more you know they can go back and get free refills and they don't have to talk to the the

01:10:20.700 guy every time and bother them so it's fine and we saw the same thing with like vending machines

01:10:25.540 and uh self checkouts and all this stuff like people shifted their infrastructure to put

01:10:31.440 basically to get the customer to do the work that employees used to do and it saved the company

01:10:37.020 money. And because we were a relatively high trust society at the time, you could do that.

01:10:42.040 Like you would expect most people to just swipe their own groceries and mostly pay for it and

01:10:46.440 not try to steal. You could expect people to get a reasonable amount of soda or not go up and like

01:10:51.460 say, oh, I want a cup of water and then go fill it with soda, you know, get the cup of water for

01:10:55.600 free and then fill it with something that shouldn't be free. Like you didn't see people abusing those

01:11:00.520 systems over and over again. But over time, we see the shifting demographics of people who maybe

01:11:06.960 aren't so careful with that. Don't see that as a problem. Maybe some people see that as an

01:11:12.480 advantage. And by the way, I'm not just talking about black Americans here. There are plenty of

01:11:17.120 new Americans from other places where scamming is considered a bonus. I'm so smart for avoiding to 0.71

01:11:22.920 pay what I owe people. And there's nothing morally wrong with that. You're a sucker if you're not

01:11:27.820 doing that and so there's been a large demographic change and from that we start to see headlines 0.94

01:11:33.120 about changing consumer habits and that's why we're pulling all this back it's because the

01:11:37.880 habits of the consumer has changed they don't want the big soda anymore or something some some

01:11:42.900 excuse right and again everyone can kind of see that cover-up Bruce Jinder says Oren you're all

01:11:52.360 about not using your enemy's language yet I hear you unironically using the term conspiracy theories

01:11:57.500 quite often what gives. So you have to be a lot more specific on that. So I think I've been very

01:12:05.260 clear about conspiracy theories. There are theories about conspiracies. That should not

01:12:11.780 be a derogatory term. It's just an accurate representation. Now, obviously, there has been

01:12:19.420 an attempt to make that a pejorative. And in some cases, that's been successful. But kind of the

01:12:25.340 point is that so many of these conspiracy theories that are true have come true that

01:12:31.140 just it's just an accurate description of the world and not something that should be maligned

01:12:36.120 so i guess it would be like slippery slope right like people have said oh that's that's noticing

01:12:41.460 that is the slippery slope fallacy and in that case i don't deny that you're kind of using that

01:12:47.000 causal chain to say if you allow x then y will happen i'm not saying uh you know to get rid of

01:12:53.860 that language i'm saying we should just acknowledge that that is actually what happens like the slope

01:12:57.620 is slippery when one thing happens the next thing does happen you can't actually logically deduce

01:13:02.440 that i guess we could abandon the slippery slope but i think it's more powerful in that case to like

01:13:08.180 just acknowledge not i'm not trying to flip the language on them i'm not like ha ha i've used my

01:13:14.040 language against you and now that term is good i'm just acknowledging no this was always an

01:13:18.940 accurate description of the world and you just demonized it right there there's one i mean there

01:13:24.660 is a point at which abandoning a term is worthwhile uh but i think in this case actually it's one that

01:13:32.120 kind of strengthens your case rather than abandon and and it also helps you to call out people so

01:13:37.400 for instance when someone like ben shapiro or you know some of these other people who are now

01:13:42.580 decrying conspiracy theories when they were talking about the conspiracies of anthony well

01:13:48.180 I guess Ben Shapiro is not a good person on that because he told you to take the backs. But

01:13:52.840 there are plenty of people who said, you know, Anthony Fauci is a bad person. The CDC is lying

01:14:00.240 to you on COVID. You need to not do this. When they turn around and then attack people with

01:14:04.440 conspiracy theories, they're kind of revealing their own hypocrisy. They're revealing their own 0.87

01:14:10.240 double standard, their own lie, right? So I think in that case, it's actually more useful. I mean,

01:14:14.400 maybe I'm wrong, but in this case, I think that is the correct way to attack that particular frame.

01:14:19.460 But I've been wrong before. I could be wrong. Maniude says, I know of a gas station near me

01:14:25.080 that plays classical music, and they told me that nothing has been stolen since they started

01:14:30.120 playing it. And coincidentally, the urban youth have also been oddly absent. I mean,

01:14:35.120 I know that sounds like a meme, but I have heard this personally on many occasions. I've seen

01:14:40.340 many people say you need to be careful about the type of music you play at your club or

01:14:44.240 your bar or your gas station that kind of thing uh you need to be careful of what you sell uh you

01:14:49.300 know if you're if you're uh selling a lot of like marijuana paraphernalia or you know certain types

01:14:55.420 of drinks or that kind of thing uh in a gas station it's going to attract a certain crowd

01:15:00.080 you'll see certain demographics start to show up um so again i don't i don't think there's any kind

01:15:05.280 of magic spell there i think it's just you know certain people prefer different types of music i

01:15:10.080 mean to be fair it's not like a lot of white people like classical music these days either

01:15:13.400 but there is a certain demographic signaling that happens depending on what you provide again

01:15:20.240 this was part of you know that story I told you about the mall one of the things the guy said

01:15:24.200 you know my friend said who was doing the the analysis was like well they have more shops that

01:15:29.920 are selling specifically kind of African-American appealing items and so more of them are showing up

01:15:36.500 and that's what's been you know snowballing this thing so you know market research also shows this

01:15:41.500 If you walk into a liquor store about 10 years ago, you'd notice that the Hennessy that costs $20, $25 has the anti-theft device on it, and the scotch that costs $120 doesn't.

01:15:54.660 Not because people are less worried that $120 bottle of scotch would be stolen in theory, but in practice, those aren't what gets stolen, and the Hennessy is, and you don't have to be a genius to put that together.

01:16:05.760 cherry coke nixon says uh cambridge mayor is from moss eisley so uh i don't know how to

01:16:13.680 pronounce that at all but yeah star wars names understood understood uh jacob zendill says one

01:16:20.160 busy night in the liquor store i look at the door and see a 16 year old spotter i walk over

01:16:25.820 and ask to see id he hands me a student id and smirks

01:16:29.900 yeah again i think you have to be uh i think you have to be around reality aligned when observing

01:16:37.920 the situation around you uh let people call you whatever you want if you need to cross the street

01:16:42.540 if you need to ask for an id if you need to ultimately uh recognize a dangerous situation

01:16:47.740 don't be don't hesitate it's not worth their life it's not worth the safety of your kids

01:16:52.400 or your wife or whatever like sorry it's not and and i i know i understand you have to be careful

01:16:58.640 uh in a lot of scenarios you can have your life ruined uh by noticing bad behavior of people of

01:17:04.940 certain races uh but ultimately you know if you can uh please you know keep stay safe don't don't

01:17:11.320 hesitate to take care of yourself and those around you uh johan richardson says check your privilege

01:17:18.620 some populations um had centuries of capital punishment to call troublemaking genes maybe

01:17:23.980 think about, uh, spreading, uh, spreading advantages to all, uh, you know, I, again,

01:17:30.660 equal treatment under the law, equal treatment under the law. Manahude says, if you are not

01:17:36.180 prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarianism. Thomas

01:17:41.400 Soule. And yeah, I mean, another great example of a, a black gentleman who knows exactly what's

01:17:46.560 going on. And it was very honest about it. Um, in some ways, uh, they're, they're, they're

01:17:51.760 interesting reading if you look at his uh i'm trying to remember the name but it was like

01:17:57.380 black rednecks and white bugs or something i'm trying it was his study of like black and white

01:18:04.360 in interactions of crime there there are some things i might take issue with thomas soul within

01:18:08.200 that book but but in general soul very good on this uh bruce jenner jenner says you've knocked

01:18:14.600 fuentes types for vote democrat haven't heard you address a possible accelerationist angle i agree

01:18:19.340 with you by the way i have actually described it several times but uh just quickly um you know

01:18:24.860 worse is worse uh unfortunately uh we're in the scenario where worse is worse i i totally

01:18:30.160 understand the idea like with withhold your vote punish these people for a cycle i get it i like

01:18:34.720 i understand the strategy in in principle unfortunately i think things have just gotten

01:18:38.980 so bad that i think we've seen that the republicans are not going to be like oh well i guess we need

01:18:44.600 to get our stuff together a and b uh obviously like in the meantime you're handing power to

01:18:50.160 people who explicitly are anti-white explicitly want open borders explicitly celebrate when

01:18:55.220 charlie kirk gets shot in the neck i'm not on those guys team i'm sorry i'm not going to support

01:18:58.840 them if you sit out an election okay fine i get that i'm not calling for it but i understand that

01:19:04.360 but actively voting for people who want me dead sorry no sorry that's that's never that's not a

01:19:10.280 strategy it's not it's not a strategy um cherry coke nixon says uh probably existed in 90s

01:19:18.240 accelerated after obama 2010s yeah i i'd agree with you and that's what i said when you said

01:19:23.260 the first time so i think we agree on that uh he also says white flight is racist but also whites

01:19:28.440 can't sit on stoops in brooklyn according to costco shoppers uh influencing making the rounds

01:19:33.940 on X. Yep. Again, like just the two-tier behavior, the two-tier expectations are obvious and you

01:19:41.280 can't have a cohesive society. You can't have a high trust society when there are two different

01:19:45.920 sets of expectations, one for white Americans and one for everybody else. That's not equal 0.85

01:19:51.260 treatment under the law. And that's just, again, we don't have that, that, that, even if we want

01:19:55.840 to get back to that, if that's all we want. And I think that was honestly all we would need,

01:19:59.100 but right now it's literally uh and you know illegal to have everybody get equal treatment

01:20:04.480 of the law and it's obviously socially impermissible and until we fix those two factors

01:20:08.720 we aren't fixing this overall again violent crime is down the trump administration is

01:20:12.840 making a difference that does matter but we have to we have to address those deeper issues

01:20:17.460 if we're ever going to really solve this problem all right guys thank you once again everybody for

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - May 22, 2026

The Truth About 'Teen Takeovers' ｜ 5⧸22⧸26

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