Firas Modad joins me to talk about the Epstein files, and why he thinks there may be more to the story than what has been revealed so far. He's a Lotus Eater, a podcaster, and an expert on the Epstein case.
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00:00:38.740All right, guys. Well, the Epstein files have dropped again, but like for real, kind of, mostly, probably this time. And everyone is going through them. There seems to be these two extreme polls. One saying, oh my gosh, look, anybody in these emails is just absolutely part of some kind of international, you know, kitty-diddling ring and has to be brought to justice.
00:01:04.160Then there's the other side saying, oh, it was all a nothing burger. The files don't mean anything. There are no big revelations there. I don't want to be the squishy moderate, but in this case, I think the answer does lie somewhere in the middle.
00:01:16.240We are seeing big revelations here. These are important, but it doesn't quite create the smoking gun that some people wanted out of Jeffrey Epstein.
00:01:25.760So talking about that to me today is somebody who has already done some great work on the Epstein files. He is a Lotus Eater over on YouTube. He's part of that podcast.
00:01:38.800I'm going to say it correctly. I tried. I get it. Firas Modad. Thanks for coming on, man.
00:01:44.420Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure.
00:01:46.100Of course. Absolutely. We're going to dive into, obviously, just everything to do with the Epstein files.
00:01:53.320But before we do, you're one of the newer Lotus Eaters. Some people may not be familiar with your background.
00:01:59.400Can you talk a little bit about what you did before you joined the show, what your specialties are, what your focuses are?
00:02:05.460Sure. Before I joined the show, I was a Middle East analyst, but still am.
00:02:10.760I still have my own business, geopolitical consulting, and what my specialty was, was helping clients understand what is going on in the world and what it means for their ability to do business.
00:02:24.720Obviously, I wasn't working at the level that Jeffrey Epstein was, but I did get to see some of the inner workings of the business world and of the political world.
00:02:36.000And so it kind of helps me get this stuff a little bit.
00:02:40.760Well, and in this case, obviously, Epstein was involved in a lot of different interactions, but a lot of them were based in the Middle East.
00:02:49.440He was constantly working with Middle Eastern powers.
00:02:52.000So I'm sure that's a great background to ultimately go ahead and put all of this in context.
00:02:59.160So like I said, a lot of people were waiting for a long time for this to drop.
00:03:03.240We got, you know, some releases and then we got, you know, lies about when, when releases did, did the files even exist?
00:03:19.920And I don't blame people with the kind of awkward way that the Trump administration ultimately approach this thinking, okay, there's a lot to this.
00:03:31.760And ultimately, I think there is stuff in there that, you know, it probably damages people tangentially attached to the Trump administration.
00:03:38.860Obviously, people like Steve Bannon are in these files.
00:04:39.940So it's just there's a lot of important information, but there's also a lot of noise to the signal.
00:04:45.080You know, and so that really makes it difficult for people to parse where we're at.
00:04:49.260So I guess maybe the beginning thing we should talk about is what are some of the top revelations that we get out of the files that are confirmed?
00:04:57.780Not things that are hinted at, not things that are implied or, you know, maybe a name just gets dropped.
00:05:03.120But, like, what are some concrete things that we can pull initially out of our first look at the Epstein files?
00:05:11.140And I think that's really the key issue.
00:05:12.840What you see with the Epstein files is a network of people and indeed several networks of patronage that are connected together and that are interfacing with each other, representing different interest groups.
00:05:26.920So you've got in there Epstein saying that he represents the Rothschilds, which have their own patronage network, obviously, and saying that he, in essence, speaks for them, advises them, recommends certain candidates for their banks, helps them develop opportunities, ties them into new deals that might be happening, so on and so forth.
00:05:53.140And he's regularly interfacing with a former Israeli prime minister, Ehud Barak.
00:05:59.420Now, Ehud Barak is not just a prime minister.
00:06:02.820He also used to be the chief of staff of the Israeli defense forces, meaning that he is deeply plugged into the intelligence community in Israel and into the business community.
00:06:15.120And Epstein's role in all of this is to provide services as a trusted interlocutor who can make the right kinds of introductions at the right moments.
00:06:26.460So one of the most stellar examples that I just wrote about was their relationship with Qatar.
00:06:31.400The Israelis bombed Qatar, Qatar is the enemy, they're the backer of the Muslim Brotherhood, they're the ones responsible for radicalism throughout the Middle East, etc., etc.
00:06:43.660You remember that back in 2017, Trump did his first global visit and he went to Saudi Arabia.
00:06:51.400And this was intended to be the counter to Obama's visit to Cairo in 2009.
00:06:59.080Obama went to Cairo in 2009 at the start of his presidency and he said, it's a new day, we're going to be back in democracy, we want to get rid of these old regimes.
00:07:08.600Lo and behold, a few years later, the Muslim Brotherhood took over Egypt, Tunisia, was fighting for Syria, Islamic State broke out in Iraq on the back of the Syria war, it was total chaos.
00:07:25.260So Trump comes back and he says to the Middle Easterners, he brings together all of the leaders of the Muslim world, and he says, none of that.
00:07:33.760We are done with radical Islam, radical Islam is the problem, we want to get rid of it, if you don't get rid of it, we're going to break your skulls.
00:07:43.200So the Saudis, the Emiratis and the Egyptians imposed a blockade on Qatar and tried to overthrow the regime.
00:07:51.760And rumor has it that the Emiratis were actually planning to invade with special forces in partnership with the Saudis.
00:07:59.100The State Department and the Pentagon step in, because in fact, they want Qatar to be a military base, a base for radical Islam, because that means that they can talk to radical Islam.
00:08:13.840And that means that they can use these jihadis, as they did in Afghanistan, this time against Iran and Russia in Syria and in Iraq.
00:08:23.520And so they make this whole thing fails.
00:08:31.500He introduces the Qataris to Steve Bannon.
00:08:35.660And the email is just Jadur, the name of the interlocutor that he was working with, who was the grandson of the former prime minister of Qatar.
00:08:43.920That man, Hamad bin Jassim, the grandfather, controls an enormous international wealth fund, sovereign wealth fund.
00:08:53.440And he introduces him to Steve Bannon, the guy who was advocating the overthrow of Qatar.
00:09:01.640So Epstein in this node is basically linking the new right in the United States to the Muslim Brotherhood and helping them reconcile.
00:09:16.520And he can do that because he's trusted by all sides.
00:09:20.900And part of the trust comes from the fact that he's a degenerate pervert.
00:09:24.480Because if you're rich enough that, you know, just a regular whiskey and cigar isn't enough to sate your appetites, naturally you go on to the next thing and then the next thing and then the next thing.
00:09:40.260And eventually that becomes transgressive degeneracy.
00:09:44.700And when you're in that club of transgressive degenerates, you know that you can't talk about it because anybody who hears about it and is of sane mind will react with tortures and pitchforks and heads on spikes.
00:09:59.860He brings the network that is responsible for the Muslim Brotherhood.
00:10:06.000And he helps it reconcile with a network that is responsible for the American new right, alt-right, whatever you want to call it.
00:10:14.500And he's able to have trust on both sides and make introductions and then maybe help them do business.
00:10:23.240And then he does the same with Ehud Barat.
00:10:25.500He introduces Ehud Barat to the Qataris.
00:10:27.960The Qataris and the Israelis had a long-standing formal relationship.
00:10:33.300It was Netanyahu who asked the Qataris to pay Hamas because he wanted to keep the West Bank and Gaza separate so that there would be no pressure for a new Palestinian state.
00:10:46.700So long as they were divided, he could say, I don't have a partner for peace.
00:11:16.100You have these ethnic networks of patronage across the world, in Israel, in India, wherever.
00:11:24.160Epstein acts as a kind of clearinghouse, linking these networks together, letting them do business, implicating them in crime together so that they can trust each other.
00:11:36.300Because they don't have a shared leadership, or a shared creed, or a shared ethnic identity, or a shared culture.
00:11:57.100So this is a really interesting development, because, of course, a lot of people looked at the Epstein situation.
00:12:05.300We knew that at some level he was involved in sex trafficking, sexual degeneracy.
00:12:10.000But the kind of thing that captured people's minds was this idea that Epstein had a treasure trove of every world leader on camera, you know, fooling around with a nine-year-old.
00:12:21.180Like, that was kind of the salacious nature of his evil.
00:12:26.180And when the files didn't immediately reveal that, that drove a lot of people to say, oh, well, then he was just nothing.
00:12:33.780It's like we've all been saying he was just some business guy moving around money, you know, helping rich people figure out how to hide their money from taxes.
00:12:43.160Like, you know, I'm seeing a lot of this from people on the right, weirdly enough.
00:12:47.760And that's just obviously not the case.
00:12:50.320As you say, what we're seeing here is that Epstein was exactly what we thought he was when it comes to this nexus of political power, the shady elites organizing, you know, these horrible deals with terrible people who are all bound together, as you say, by, like, this degenerative behavior.
00:13:08.700The difference was it wasn't the manner in which we thought that was being doled out, right?
00:13:15.160Instead of it being like this, you know, Rolodex, that's increasingly a reference that no Zoomer will get.
00:13:21.880But there was this entire collect, instead of having this collection of blackmail material necessarily of this, like, salacious sex type,
00:13:29.460what we see is a guy who is involved in money laundering, involved in intelligence peddling, involved, yes, also in pimping and sexual degeneracy as well.
00:13:43.960He knows where all of the bodies are buried.
00:13:46.700And that, as you say, allows him to forge kind of this international network of elites who, you know, we've tried to explain through many other, you know, avenues.
00:13:59.380Others have talked about, like, these emergent managerial elites and oligarchs and how they're no longer loyal to their nations.
00:14:06.000But this is really the most direct version of that, where it's no longer this organic, mechanical kind of emergence of a new class that sees itself as set apart.
00:14:16.120It's an actually manufactured and managed network of, you know, degenerates who are unified through their, you know, perverse tastes.
00:14:26.760And they're also, as you say, often ethnic networks.
00:14:29.660And these are things that are very uncomfortable for people to talk about in the West, especially Americans.
00:14:35.780But I know in the UK and other places, it's also considered very, you know, we don't acknowledge.
00:14:43.560We don't acknowledge that other cultures are clannish and think of each other as a group that needs to be fought for, that you're allowed to subvert other groups, disadvantage other groups, use other groups as long as it's in pursuit of your group.
00:14:58.020These are just things that are really uncomfortable to kind of Western liberal sensibilities, but are just obvious and evident.
00:15:05.080But we try to avoid talking about them, but you have to talk about them with the Epstein files.
00:15:09.000And I think that's, again, why it was pushed to keep these, you know, kind of down, not because necessarily any one person was in the files, but it just shows the really ugly nature of how a guy like Epstein becomes kind of this central power broker.
00:15:38.180Anil Ambani, who is an Indian billionaire, deeply connected to the BJP, the ruling party in India, reaches out to Epstein.
00:15:48.340Epstein recommends that he go through Israel.
00:15:50.980And so Modi, the prime minister of India, visits Israel for the first time.
00:15:58.260Back in the day of the non-aligned movement, India was very much pro-Palestinian.
00:16:02.520But Modi flips that, uses it to sort of reinforce his nationalist credentials against Pakistan, tries to cast Israel as an ally against radical Islam, uses that as a ticket to get into the White House and get a better deal in the White House.
00:16:21.780Now, if you're Modi or Epstein or anybody, sorry, if you're Ambani or Epstein or anybody in that network, you know exactly how to trade on this insider information.
00:16:33.800You know precisely how to trade on it.
00:16:38.080So you help make the arrangements in advance, knowing what's going to happen.
00:17:01.640The issue is that for a decade, Prince Andrew took over from his uncle from between 2011 to 2011.
00:17:12.700He took over from his uncle, who is the head of the Freemasons in Britain.
00:17:17.600He took over as the British trade representative.
00:17:22.720And so Prince Andrew's job was to go as a royal and open doors in places like Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan or the Middle East or what have you,
00:17:36.380and use his status as a royal to facilitate British business.
00:17:40.400That's why somebody like Epstein would absolutely be interested in Prince Andrew and would want to make sure that he does have something over Prince Andrew
00:17:50.480so that when he finds out about some major business deal with a British company that's going to get a billion-dollar weapons contract or oil contract,
00:18:00.160Epstein's network gets to trade on the back of it.
00:18:02.060Peter Mandelson was one of the architects, who's also Jewish, by the way, was one of the architects of New Labour,
00:18:12.400Tony Blair's government in Britain, and the waves of immigration and the growth in housing prices and all of that stuff.
00:18:22.380He was pretty much leaking cabinet-level information, government-level information.
00:18:27.760Peter Mandelson, two minutes after it arrived to him and sending it to Jeffrey Epstein.
00:18:35.680Now, he got around £50,000, some $75,000 in direct cash payments from Epstein.
00:18:46.500More importantly, he got introductions into Deutsche Bank and into Lazare, Lazare also a Jewish bank.
00:18:53.400And he ended up working for Lazare for millions of dollars, trading on the government knowledge and networks that he had built,
00:19:04.660while he was essentially the number three man in the British government.
00:19:10.540And during that period where he was working with Epstein, he was also the EU's trade commissioner,
00:19:18.140meaning that all of the trade regulations had to be run by him, meaning that he was also leaking that information to Epstein all the time.
00:19:28.060And so Epstein and his network were getting visibility on pretty much all of the regulation
00:19:34.020and all of the key economic decisions that were happening in Britain and in the EU through Peter Mandelson.
00:19:41.440And then they rewarded him with a job that gives him millions of dollars every year at one of the banks that would have been presumably profiting from this.
00:19:57.280And Epstein says that he represents the Rothschilds.
00:19:59.340And so what you've got with Macron is Epstein saying that he was asking about pretty much every piece of political change or economic change
00:20:12.240that he was planning on making in France, meaning the EU as well.
00:20:17.740And he was casting Macron as somebody who was going to try to lead Europe and maybe the world.
00:20:23.520And he had had a relationship with Macron back from when he was an economy minister, I think with a leftist, with François Hollande.
00:20:34.220And so the Rothschilds, rather than having Macron work directly with Ariane de Rothschild,
00:20:47.320to whom Epstein keeps on sending emails and getting information from her,
00:20:53.420they had him work with two lower-level guys, Epstein and I think Olivier Colombe,
00:23:48.180But through these mutual understandings, the fact that a guy like Epstein is interested in collecting all of this blackmail material and owing people favors and having the connections, he creates this nexus.
00:24:02.480All of a sudden, the interests just naturally flow through these networks that have been established.
00:24:07.940Now, some of them will be ethnic in setup.
00:24:12.240And it's not just the Rothschild one that is like that, obviously.
00:24:15.940That's what we also see is that actually, in many cases, it's connecting one ethnic network to another.
00:24:21.200It's not like it's just this one thing that owns the globe.
00:24:23.680But it is a significant node in this pattern of elite connection that people recognize.
00:24:29.840And so, as you say, that doesn't mean that the average Jewish person on the street has any clue what the Rothschilds are doing or any influence or connection or even necessarily benefits.
00:24:38.960But ultimately, the truth is that this is just one of several ethnic networks that is connected to many of the influential actions that our governments take.
00:24:48.680And so, I think that's really what is capturing the imagination of a lot of people who are diving into these.
00:25:01.020The first point that I want to make is that if your mental model is based on the idea that what we have in the West is a series of democracies that are sovereign, that reflect the will of the public.
00:25:18.960And if your neighbor has a mental model that says it's actually a Rothschild conspiracy, your neighbor has a more accurate mental model than you do.
00:25:28.940It's not to say that your neighbor's mental model is accurate or fully correct, but it's a better tool for parsing reality and making predictions of the future than a model that says that this is representative democracy.
00:25:44.140That's the first point that I want to make.
00:25:45.540The second point that I want to make is that nowhere in the West do you see an ethnic network that is purely German or French or English or Italian or whatever other Western country.
00:26:05.140So, there is the sense that for the straight white man who wants to live a decent Christian lifestyle, there is zero representation at the elite level.
00:26:22.560Not just in that their votes don't matter because the governments do whatever they want to do, informed by networks of bankers and financiers tied to the WEF and therefore tied also to people like Epstein.
00:26:40.340It's that these average citizens don't have anybody speaking out for them.
00:26:46.460And the third point that I think should be mentioned in relation to this is that the advent of free trade and the concomitant advent of de-industrialization meant that all Western elites were fundamentally financial, not industrial, not agricultural elites.
00:27:11.880They were primarily financial elites and as financial elites, they naturally tie into the banking sector and into the interests of bankers.
00:27:24.980And in that industry, there is a degree of over-representation for some ethnic groups.
00:27:32.020And so you get the sense that nobody gives a damn about the white working class man.
00:27:38.960And that is, in fact, an accurate perception because at the level of these networks and these elites, you have Indian industrialists, you have Saudi royals who want to build industry in Saudi Arabia and safeguard Saudi interests.
00:27:56.380You get Russians, you get Russians who are interested in Russia's industrial capabilities, but you don't get anybody whose interests actually align with those of the white working class man.
00:28:12.500Instead, you get financial elites who, whether Jew or Gentile, primarily care about the financial sector.
00:28:20.100And the result of that is that the West no longer makes anything and that there are no good industrial jobs and that you as a working class male cannot live on a single income and provide for your family and live a normal life.
00:28:35.320So the impact of the Epstein revelations extends across every level of focus that you can think of.
00:28:45.600At the high level of Zoom, at the sort of big mega picture, what you get is a bunch of international ethnic elites.
00:28:56.260In India, they represent the government and the government is trying to make Indians' lives better.
00:29:02.280In China, they represent the government and the government is trying to make Chinese people's lives better.
00:29:24.480But there isn't a single oligarch in that network who is primarily an industrialist and who wants more manufacturing jobs that can provide a lower middle class, decent enough lifestyle for the white working man.
00:29:40.440So what we see here, again, as you're saying, is that you have these lobbying blocks, essentially, of oligarchs.
00:29:49.440And for, you know, there are, again, we say there's multiple ethnic spheres here that are, they're lobbying for their own people.
00:29:56.440The Indians are looking out for their people.
00:29:58.880The, you know, the Arabs are mostly looking out for their people.
00:30:02.140The Chinese are looking out for their people.
00:30:04.000Well, that doesn't mean that they're good people, obviously, but that they're, they still have a tie to those cultures, to those people.
00:30:11.720There's some alignment in their interests.
00:30:14.800Whatever behavior they're engaging in, even if it's bad behavior, there is at least some understanding that it's going to benefit the people that they represent in some way.
00:30:24.640And it feels weird to like, you know, say, hey, where's our degenerate elite, you know, completely morally compromised guy fighting for our interests.
00:30:34.300But there is what Trump was supposed to be.
00:30:37.120And that's actually kind of what we're hitting on here.
00:30:40.460When, you know, when we switch to a financialized economy and a service economy, first, you know, if you have a, if you have a service economy, you're training your people to be servants.
00:31:09.220They need to be kind of liminal spaces that don't represent any specific, you know, people or, or, or understanding or culture.
00:31:16.700You want the lowest number, lowest amount of friction between financial interactions that you can in order to increase their efficiency.
00:31:24.240And so because you've pulled your entire economy and your entire understanding of production and consumption out of any rootedness in any given people or any given place or producing something physical, manifesting actual, you know, touch something you can touch.
00:31:38.660Instead, everything is just ones and zeros, it's services, it's, it's things that flow easily across borders that you don't see the people directly use.
00:31:46.660It just creates this mentality that you are people of anywhere and nowhere and that, that it's, it's okay if your elites kind of just congeal into this one, you know, unified interest that's no longer specifically tied.
00:31:59.780And so, you know, these other ethnic cartels at least are working in the, you know, in the interest of a concrete people with a concrete production and economic mode, those kinds of things.
00:32:10.840In the West, it's like, it's like, we just kind of melted everything down and just ran it through the banks.
00:32:15.920And this is like the, the network that Epstein is ultimately at the center of.
00:32:28.380He can connect you to JP Morgan, obviously.
00:32:31.940He can connect you to Lazar and he can connect you to the Rothschilds.
00:32:35.440All of these are among his, his interlocutors.
00:32:40.780And because he has connections in places like Saudi Arabia and Qatar and what have you, you see these emails of people asking him, what's your view on the Saudi stock market?
00:32:50.740What's your view on Saudi bond issuances?
00:32:52.760So you see people asking him for favors in terms of information.
00:32:59.640In exchange, if somebody like Peter Mandelson were to show up asking for a job, having for the past decade provided him an inside track on what the British government is doing and what the EU Trade Commission is doing, he can place him in that position.
00:33:15.220So he's at the intersection of these various networks.
00:33:20.040And the more connections he has, the more value he gets.
00:33:24.120Now, there's one more point that I want to mention.
00:34:04.920And so Epstein meets the former president and wrangles an invitation to Mongolia.
00:34:10.040And then a few years later, you see emails asking Epstein about his views on Mongolia and the interests that people have there.
00:34:18.620So the think tanks in this way help with that intersection in that they allow you to provide a platform for government officials to sit and bloviate.
00:34:33.800But after the bloviating, there's the drinks.
00:34:37.840And over the drinks, you meet the financiers.
00:34:40.060And if somebody like Epstein meets you and drops the name Rothschild, well, what do you do?
00:34:46.800You give him an invitation to your country to come visit you.
00:34:49.320And you get a very nice email from a very obsequious assistant just asking, when would you like to visit?
00:34:55.840The president really wants to meet you and he wants to speak to you a little bit more because you're coming from that forum with the assurance that there is a pool of capital behind this guy that you just met.
00:35:09.560And you, as a president, want access to that pool of capital.
00:35:13.140So it becomes deeply self-reinforcing.
00:35:15.540But then what are the think tanks going to say?
00:35:17.560The think tanks are going to say whatever the donor that provides them the money to host events that former government officials attend wants them to say.
00:35:29.220And so the whole damn thing becomes one incestuous, depraved network, and you're not part of it.
00:35:36.960And if to add to that, you also want to be on top of the latest developments in technology and business and science, well, you need the university guys because they're going to hear about which department got funded by which oligarch, and they're going to hear about which technology looks to be promising.
00:36:00.360And so you want filthy bastards like Lawrence Krauss to be in your orbit, even though in his emails, Epstein makes it clear that he finds the guy pretty odious and annoying.
00:36:17.900You want people like that to be around you because they are going to provide sources of information that you can then trade.
00:36:24.460So Epstein sort of sits at the center of all of this, and it's all about collecting information that you can then monetize.
00:36:34.260That's why you see him emailing essentially his boss, Ariane de Rothschild, talking to her about major opportunities that are going to happen in Ukraine because of the upheaval.
00:36:45.000And then she sends him this flirty girlboss email, how she's sort of cracking her banker's skulls and promising to meet him to talk about the Ukraine opportunities.
00:36:58.980So you see full-on war profiteering on the back of it.
00:37:03.040You see a bunch of emails from Libya or relating to Libya about how Epstein is trying to track down funds related to Libya.
00:37:11.220He's trying to help people get permits in Libya to import stuff from the U.S., get various global brands back into Libya to make money on the back of that in partnership with the UAE.
00:37:28.740The purpose of it is to enrich the bankers.
00:37:32.700And it interfaces with the government through the WEF.
00:37:36.580And whenever somebody in government wants ideas, Epstein hooks you up with the WEF.
00:37:44.040Right. This is the thing that people don't understand.
00:37:47.080When they were all looking at the Epstein files from the outside, when they were speculating on Epstein, it was, who does Epstein work for?
00:37:53.860Is he CIA? Is he Mossad? Is he some other intelligence asset?
00:37:58.200And the answer is, no, Jeffrey Epstein is the intelligence.
00:38:06.100And so when he's talking to people, when he's collecting these professors, when he's hooking people up with jobs, when he's making deals,
00:38:13.260every connection, every bit of dirt, every bribe, every job, every thing that can be offered is one more piece of leverage, one more way that he can manipulate it.
00:38:28.360So is he just running this sex ring, as people speculated?
00:38:32.420No, that doesn't look to be like actually his major leverage.
00:38:36.580His real leverage is the constant connections, the friendships, the favors owed, the information he has on the back end.
00:38:44.300There's just an infinite number of ways that he, like you said, he can monetize and manipulate and use that to create these situations, make introductions, allow for opportunities.
00:38:55.000And this one is what makes him ultimately so valuable.
00:38:58.440And I guess that means we need to talk about what is probably in America the more difficult part of this, which is why the Trump administration drug their feet on this.
00:39:09.280Because, you know, a lot of people pointed, and it's true, that ultimately Donald Trump did not make this big thing about promising the Epstein files.
00:39:17.340But he did hire guys like Kash Patel and Dan Bogino, who spoke endlessly about, no, these are real.
00:39:46.180You know, I think this administration is far better than anything we've had under Republicans previously, and certainly anything better to have Democrats.
00:39:53.260But I'm not going to sit here and pretend like this was an absolute disaster for the administration in the way that they handled this.
00:39:59.940Now, I know, I understand that a lot of the information we're discussing here is uncomfortable, right?
00:40:06.640I understand why they would be hesitant about rolling it out.
00:40:09.880It hurts certain people that maybe they need favors from, that kind of thing, or that they're connected to.
00:40:14.660But ultimately, this information was going to come out, right?
00:40:17.900Like, it was obviously eventually going to come out.
00:40:21.600So I guess the question is, why wound your own reputation as this, like, you know, maverick coming from outside, ripping, you know, the mask off, the corrupt institutions?
00:40:32.400Why not just make this information available and put yourself in the position of the truth teller?
00:40:38.600Say, look, we know there's some embarrassing things here.
00:40:41.940We know there's some uncomfortable things here.
00:40:43.740But we promised to be the administration that was going to get rid of the swamp, drain the swamp, get rid of, you know, the lies and the corrupt elites.
00:40:52.320And so even though this is going to hurt us a little bit, even though this is going to be embarrassing for some people bully alike, I think they would have gotten infinitely more, you know, mileage out of being the truth teller.
00:41:06.540It would have stolen everything the Democrats would have had, right?
00:41:09.880I just don't understand why they didn't take that move.
00:41:12.300Because you see Epstein linking Peter Thiel with Arianna de Rothschild, and you see Larry Ellison appearing in these emails.
00:41:28.860I haven't looked for the Adelsons yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some connection.
00:41:34.020And you have the situation where Thiel is the main backer of J.D. Vance, or has been in the past.
00:41:41.920And Ellison literally vetted Marco Rubio to see whether or not he was going to fund him and then gave him five million bucks.
00:41:49.140And with the Adelsons, they don't want anything that embarrasses Ehud Barak and exposes the Israel connection, because throughout these emails, whenever Epstein is acting altruistically, he's acting in the interest of Israel.
00:42:06.280That's the only time that he shows anybody any goodwill.
00:42:10.760For everybody else, Badona is described as Kato because of her interest in Judaism and Kabbalah.
00:42:18.140The rest of us are described as Goyim, which is pretty derogatory.
00:42:22.600And when you look at that, you see that Jewish identity is the central part of Epstein's identity.
00:42:33.320And you see his connections to all of these big donors and his connections to Israel.
00:42:40.040And that becomes a major, as the administration correctly said, national security question.
00:42:44.920Because if this network that includes at least a bunch of Jewish supremacists, who, again, don't represent all Jews, but they are Jewish supremacists, are involved and are financing people in the administration,
00:43:00.500and some of the people within the FC network were, including Thiel and Ellison, then that means that the administration does not have a free hand to go and bomb Iran, which it's trying to do.
00:43:16.000Now I'm hearing that the negotiations broke down between the U.S. and Iran, and the next negotiation round is not going to happen, meaning that there is a pretty good chance of war.
00:43:25.480Meaning that the administration that ran on the promise, no new wars, no stupid wars in the Middle East, is about to get sucked into a conflict with the Iranians, who don't actually have any conflicting interests with the Americans.
00:43:44.920Iran is a bulwark that stands between Pakistan and Turkey and keeps the Sunnis sort of separated.
00:43:51.240So it is of benefit to the U.S. not to have the Sunni Muslims unite.
00:43:58.980But because of Israel, the U.S. might be bombing Iran.
00:44:06.340And so if you expose the fact that the only time Epstein acts altruistically is for Israel,
00:44:12.180and that he is a Jewish supremacist, and that he has people writing to him about how everybody else's souls are of a lower level than Jewish souls,
00:44:23.500which is a key tenet of Chabad, and Trump keeps appointing people from Chabad into his administration,
00:44:31.740including the new anti-Semitism czar, who is promising to police everybody's speech,
00:44:36.360you end up with a major disaster, because it shows that there is this very real ethnic conflict that's happening,
00:44:47.700and that elites in the West have been co-opted by an ethnic group.
00:44:54.800Epstein keeps on saying that he doesn't do any real-world economy stuff.
00:45:00.220He doesn't invest in the real economy.
00:45:03.440He says, as a Jew, I make my money from money, and from trading and speculation and things of that nature.
00:46:21.440And I think, you know, like I said, this is just the first toe in, you know, there's millions and millions of these pages that are going to continue to be gone through.
00:46:29.820But before we go, the last question I want to ask you before we get to the audience is, do you think that ultimately this is going to have an impact?
00:46:39.100You know, I've speculated a bit about this.
00:46:41.040And I think, unfortunately, it might be the case that the, you know, in a lot of ways, kind of the salacious nature of the rumors around Epstein drove a lot of the interest.
00:46:50.920And what we're going to see now that we actually have files and, you know, people are going to rush out and they're going to say, oh, well, we've got evidence that Trump was, you know, touching a nine-year-old girl.
00:47:01.340People are going to come out and say these things that are totally false, that aren't qualified, you know, in the emails or, you know, verified through other documents, other research.
00:47:10.840And that's going to lessen the impact of the truth that comes out of these.
00:47:17.020There's going to be so much, again, noise to the signal that people are going to say, oh, just another guy who read another Epstein email and didn't understand that it was a joke or is out of context or, you know, it's an unverified report.
00:47:35.200Do you think that's going to be the case or do you think there will be big things that do come out and people are held accountable for?
00:47:41.100I think the way that I see it is as follows.
00:47:50.980The West is at a civilizational collapse moment and is close to a civil war moment.
00:47:56.780In so many ways, wherever you look, you see decay, breakdown in law and order, the inability of governments to sort of uphold their basic duties.
00:48:10.220And you see it in Italy and you see it in Germany and you see it in Canada.
00:49:12.220So that the collapse that you're seeing is directly tied to the power of the people in the Epstein network who rely on finance, who believe that human beings are fungible, who don't give a damn about other people's national identity, who, in Epstein's personal case, view everybody else's capital.
00:49:37.180And Epstein's own words in his personal case, just to emphasize.
00:49:41.940But you do get the impression that this is not just his view, that a lot of people in that network share that view.
00:49:53.420And you do get these elites who regularly look down on people.
00:49:57.420Gordon Brown, who was supposed to be the only decent British prime minister, had one lady complain to him when he was on the campaign trail that she can't get a doctor's appointment because there's too much immigration.
00:50:12.720The sneering attitude towards the plebeians is encouraged by the association of the elites with people who own yachts and private islands and private jets.
00:50:27.340And so if nothing is done on the back of this, you're heading towards civilizational collapse or civil war.
00:50:37.960And civil war is the optimistic option because you can recover from it.
00:50:42.860That's what happens if we employ the Epstein files.
00:50:49.860And as bleak as that is, it's hard to argue against.
00:50:54.860I think you're ultimately correct that people simply cannot continue to live under governments that in no way care for their well-being and are willing to either destroy the well-being of the population or in some places liquidate the population if it serves their interests.
00:51:09.760And so that tension is going to continue to build.
00:51:13.460The fact that the Epstein files lay out those attitudes and give us a window into the world and how those elites are functioning, I think, is exactly why they were suppressed for so long.
00:51:27.100And I do hope that there is a way to peacefully unwind the level of kind of corruption and influence that is outlined in these files.
00:51:36.700But I do think that people trying to ignore it or downplay its importance are making a huge mistake.
00:51:43.720I think that the wise thing for an America First movement to do is to embrace and fight back against this, you know, to embrace the reality here and fight back against the idea that it's okay for these things to operate, that we're just going to go along to get along.
00:52:00.920That ultimately it's worth burying these kind of truths just so we can win a midterm or, you know, get through any given political difficulty.
00:52:11.360And even if you are not involved, even if you are not implicated, if you're agreeing to hide these things, you know, in order to ultimately smooth your way through the halls of power, you're going to get this dirt on you.
00:52:27.320And it's just, you know, it's foolish to think that you can now, especially when this level of truth is available, that you can just kind of go ahead and bypass this by throwing out things like, oh, well, it's not a big deal.
00:52:41.080It's just a very foolish way to conduct yourself.
00:52:43.800And I do hope that ultimately, you know, the administration will recognize that getting out in front of this would, you know, ultimately be a far better reaction.
00:53:53.300That's definitely his conspiracy theory about me being in league with the Vatican and summoning archangels is probably my personal favorite.
00:54:04.140I mean, if James Lindsay hasn't accused you of being at the center of a Catholic conspiracy as a Southern Baptist in the United States, then really what are you doing with your life?
00:54:14.300Alexandra and stuff says, elites want censorship, but social media can help them too.
00:54:20.340Our attention span is so fried now that you can get away with anything you want or if you just wait.
00:54:26.160I do appreciate the overall erosion of trust, though.
00:54:28.400Yeah, that's a pretty spot on assessment of the problem.
00:54:32.340In one instance, the internet breaks the monopoly on information, allows for the free flow.
00:54:37.580You would probably have never gotten something like the Epstein files if it wasn't for the internet.
00:54:42.500But at the same time, because there's this lack of shared authority, this epistemological understanding, we have the scenario where people just discard the stuff.
00:55:09.320The very thing that brings you the Epstein files is probably the thing that means it won't stick around in the popular consciousness the way that it would have previously.
00:55:21.380Spartan says, have to be careful here in YouTube.
00:55:25.100Any take on any take other than an ethnic network is at war with you is a distraction.
00:55:32.480Well, I think that is something that is definitely highlighted that these ethnic networks exist and that they are working for their own interests.
00:55:40.600Again, we noted several ethnic networks that are uncovered in this, but obviously Epstein works for one.
00:55:46.620And so, therefore, he is more you're more likely to see that one focused on.
00:55:50.560It's not that the Chinese or, you know, the Indians are probably not doing things in their own interests that are somewhat nefarious, but they are simply in their interests as opposed to Epstein and the Rothschilds.
00:56:02.620So that is really a scenario that you're kind of seeing played out there.
00:56:06.860No, I'm not grim from Red Riding Hood says, Epstein, I work for the Rothschilds, Zonk Israel, and I'm one of its orbiters, the media.
00:56:20.220It was a key player for Russia or something.
00:56:29.660And they dredged out Christopher Steele, Christopher Steele of the infamous Steele dossier, to say with all of his credibility that Epstein looks like he was working for the Russians.
00:56:45.500It's a very incredibly reliable source, certainly in no way dishonored yet.
00:56:50.280It is, the desperation is very obvious, but like you said, there's going to be a lot of people who just only watch MSNBC or, you know, I don't know what your worst lib outlet is in the UK.
00:57:24.000But like I said, I've had James block for a long time and he's had me block.
00:57:27.820I don't know what he's on about any given time.
00:57:31.860Cherry Coke Nixon says, Epstein files equal diarrhea bomb that mixes lies in with the truth.
00:57:37.000Insane stories about Trump and Bush 41.
00:57:40.180Excite dirtbag hacks who treat it as the gospel truth.
00:57:43.060Yeah, and like I said, that's going to be, I think, the long-term greatest difficulty of getting anything out of the Epstein files is there's going to be, the truth is buried in so many tangential accusations.
00:57:55.000Again, anytime an FBI report gets filed, anytime an email is sent, it doesn't matter what it was about or if it was true or verified, it's going to be in the files.
00:58:04.200So people are going to find that stuff.
00:58:06.540They're going to say, oh, look, I've got proof here because it was in the files.
00:58:08.900And then the things that were verified, the things that were actually, you know, you can tie to real-world events and that kind of thing, those will lose credibility.
00:58:16.820So that is, unfortunately, just the nature of this kind of drop.
00:58:21.520And I don't think there's much you can do about that.
00:58:25.480Nixon also says, Massey played a hero, but without context, these files are useless other than spreading rumors.
00:58:32.800Look, I have my problems with Massey, especially when it comes to border, you know, the way he treats the border and immigration sometimes.
00:58:41.080But I can't make him the bad guy here.
00:58:43.500Like, this stuff should have been out.
00:58:45.320It should have been the Trump administration that put it out.
00:58:47.340They could have controlled the story if they were the ones that put it out, put themselves in the position of truth-tellers, even when it's difficult.
00:58:53.560Instead, they, you know, create the scenario where a guy like Massey gets to, quote, push him to the mat.
00:58:58.640If you hadn't made the political mistake, then you wouldn't have had to worry about Massey.
00:59:22.280Again, I can't argue with the fact that this is ultimately something that could be used to hurt the admin, even on with things that aren't true,
00:59:29.460because they can just say, oh, look, I found, you know, this one random claim somewhere in an email, so it must be the case.
00:59:35.640But ultimately, like I said, this is a self-inflicted will.
00:59:39.020The administration could have avoided this.
00:59:41.640It would have still been, you know, awkward.
00:59:44.000It probably still would have had some level of damage impact, but they could have been in the driver's seat.
00:59:48.000They could have been the ones with the moral authority on this, and they chose to hand it away.
00:59:52.040And so now the left gets to beat them with it.
01:01:23.240Unfortunately, there's obviously a lot of willingness to treat white people poorly in elite circles, especially by white people.
01:01:33.600You know, I actually just wrote an article.
01:01:35.760It will be up, you know, on the blaze probably today or tomorrow about the fact that we kind of just euphemize ethnic cleansing of white people in the West, you know, for similar reasons.
01:01:46.460This is this is a mentality that has to change.
01:01:49.000Yeah, that's really all there is to it.
01:01:50.780They're the free pass on treating white people poorly because of all these narratives of victimhoods of other peoples that it just has to stop.
01:01:59.400He also says, or sorry, Thirst Swarm says, it is like the Seinfeld credits in these emails with all the Bergs and Steins and Israel style Star Wars names.
01:02:13.340Again, I have not gone through all these files myself, so I cannot speak to the concentration of them.
01:02:21.040But that which is revealed, obviously, is is concerning.
01:02:24.980And like I said, there are multiple ethnic networks revealed.
01:02:29.240We're just looking at it from the viewpoint of this ethnic network.
01:02:32.960Right. So we're going to see the most of that one.
01:02:35.500If we were peering through the window of an Indian fixer or a Chinese fixer, we would probably see lots of ugly attitudes about non-Indians or non-Chinese.
01:02:44.120We would probably see a lot of corruption with Chinese names or Indian names.
01:02:48.020I don't think that, again, this is necessarily unique to this particular network, but this network does sit at a particular nexus, which is why this ends up being what we are looking for or what we are seeing when we go through the Epstein files.
01:03:04.220Sinestro says, Oy vey, why is anti-cinematism on the rise?
01:03:08.120Guys, guys, again, this is not a reflection of Jewish people as a people.
01:03:14.100Again, these are these are the attitudes of Epstein and the people he's working with.
01:03:18.600So please remember you're looking at those people and it is their fault.
01:03:22.540OK, again, there are corrupt people in all of these networks.
01:03:26.380And that doesn't mean that any given Chinese person is responsible for their behavior.
01:03:30.960Any given Indian person is in on some kind of conspiracy theory.
01:03:34.760I assure you, you know, I am not familiar with everything that got members of Skull and Bones involved themselves with, even if they happen to be wasps.
01:03:43.580You know, so it's one of those things where, you know, remember, we are talking about the crimes and attitudes of specific people, not the entire group here.
01:03:50.680Markoz says, it's quite ironic to consider that in the end, the released files show that Putin and Berlusconi were the few half decent guys among the filth.
01:04:03.680Again, I'm not sure. I haven't really looked at those.
01:04:11.220Apparently there was some kind of communication.
01:04:12.860Epstein invited Silvio Berlusconi, the former prime minister of Italy, who was famous for his bonga-bonga parties and was quite a degenerate himself.
01:04:24.200And he said something to the effect that, but the parties that I go to, the girls have a good time and they want to come back.
01:05:27.900And of course, you should be checking out his work if you are not already and the Lotus Eaters in general.
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