The Auron MacIntyre Show - The TRUTH About the Epstein Files ｜ Guest： Firas Modad ｜ 2⧸4⧸26

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00:00:38.740 All right, guys. Well, the Epstein files have dropped again, but like for real, kind of, mostly, probably this time. And everyone is going through them. There seems to be these two extreme polls. One saying, oh my gosh, look, anybody in these emails is just absolutely part of some kind of international, you know, kitty-diddling ring and has to be brought to justice. 0.59

00:01:04.160 Then there's the other side saying, oh, it was all a nothing burger. The files don't mean anything. There are no big revelations there. I don't want to be the squishy moderate, but in this case, I think the answer does lie somewhere in the middle.

00:01:16.240 We are seeing big revelations here. These are important, but it doesn't quite create the smoking gun that some people wanted out of Jeffrey Epstein.

00:01:25.760 So talking about that to me today is somebody who has already done some great work on the Epstein files. He is a Lotus Eater over on YouTube. He's part of that podcast.

00:01:38.800 I'm going to say it correctly. I tried. I get it. Firas Modad. Thanks for coming on, man.

00:01:44.420 Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure.

00:01:46.100 Of course. Absolutely. We're going to dive into, obviously, just everything to do with the Epstein files.

00:01:53.320 But before we do, you're one of the newer Lotus Eaters. Some people may not be familiar with your background.

00:01:59.400 Can you talk a little bit about what you did before you joined the show, what your specialties are, what your focuses are?

00:02:05.460 Sure. Before I joined the show, I was a Middle East analyst, but still am.

00:02:10.760 I still have my own business, geopolitical consulting, and what my specialty was, was helping clients understand what is going on in the world and what it means for their ability to do business.

00:02:24.720 Obviously, I wasn't working at the level that Jeffrey Epstein was, but I did get to see some of the inner workings of the business world and of the political world.

00:02:36.000 And so it kind of helps me get this stuff a little bit.

00:02:40.760 Well, and in this case, obviously, Epstein was involved in a lot of different interactions, but a lot of them were based in the Middle East.

00:02:49.440 He was constantly working with Middle Eastern powers.

00:02:52.000 So I'm sure that's a great background to ultimately go ahead and put all of this in context.

00:02:59.160 So like I said, a lot of people were waiting for a long time for this to drop.

00:03:03.240 We got, you know, some releases and then we got, you know, lies about when, when releases did, did the files even exist?

00:03:10.520 Were they on Pam Bondi's desk?

00:03:12.180 Then they disappeared.

00:03:13.860 They've all, yeah, it's, it's all a Democrat hoax.

00:03:16.620 Now it's shown back up.

00:03:18.220 It's a lot of twists and turns.

00:03:19.920 And I don't blame people with the kind of awkward way that the Trump administration ultimately approach this thinking, okay, there's a lot to this.

00:03:29.000 There has to be.

00:03:29.860 Why else would you behave this way?

00:03:31.760 And ultimately, I think there is stuff in there that, you know, it probably damages people tangentially attached to the Trump administration.

00:03:38.860 Obviously, people like Steve Bannon are in these files.

00:03:41.600 Trump is mentioned, though.

00:03:43.240 It's confusing as to whether there's any kind of direct indication that he had wrongdoing.

00:03:48.720 But there are certainly a lot of embarrassing revelations about the way our government operates, the way our allies operate.

00:03:55.940 A lot of the just back door dealing that is done in our political reality is just absolutely ugly.

00:04:02.560 And this is, I think, why in many cases they were continuing to try to hide these files.

00:04:07.520 We still know that we didn't get everything.

00:04:09.780 There's still a lot of files that are redacted or completely hidden.

00:04:14.160 But I think it was something like 3 million pages of documents were dropped in this.

00:04:18.860 So people are trying to go through.

00:04:20.440 They're trying to get initial assessments.

00:04:22.120 Who's involved?

00:04:23.220 Who's to blame?

00:04:24.420 You know, what are the big revelations?

00:04:26.180 And then they go through and they just kind of get sloppy with searching names.

00:04:30.300 They don't recognize that some of these are just conversations.

00:04:32.940 People's names get dropped in any given email.

00:04:35.480 People might file a false FBI report.

00:04:38.460 And all of this shows up in the file.

00:04:39.940 So it's just there's a lot of important information, but there's also a lot of noise to the signal.

00:04:45.080 You know, and so that really makes it difficult for people to parse where we're at.

00:04:49.260 So I guess maybe the beginning thing we should talk about is what are some of the top revelations that we get out of the files that are confirmed?

00:04:57.780 Not things that are hinted at, not things that are implied or, you know, maybe a name just gets dropped.

00:05:03.120 But, like, what are some concrete things that we can pull initially out of our first look at the Epstein files?

00:05:10.400 Sure.

00:05:11.140 And I think that's really the key issue.

00:05:12.840 What you see with the Epstein files is a network of people and indeed several networks of patronage that are connected together and that are interfacing with each other, representing different interest groups.

00:05:26.920 So you've got in there Epstein saying that he represents the Rothschilds, which have their own patronage network, obviously, and saying that he, in essence, speaks for them, advises them, recommends certain candidates for their banks, helps them develop opportunities, ties them into new deals that might be happening, so on and so forth.

00:05:53.140 And he's regularly interfacing with a former Israeli prime minister, Ehud Barak.

00:05:59.420 Now, Ehud Barak is not just a prime minister.

00:06:02.820 He also used to be the chief of staff of the Israeli defense forces, meaning that he is deeply plugged into the intelligence community in Israel and into the business community.

00:06:15.120 And Epstein's role in all of this is to provide services as a trusted interlocutor who can make the right kinds of introductions at the right moments.

00:06:26.460 So one of the most stellar examples that I just wrote about was their relationship with Qatar.

00:06:31.400 The Israelis bombed Qatar, Qatar is the enemy, they're the backer of the Muslim Brotherhood, they're the ones responsible for radicalism throughout the Middle East, etc., etc. 0.55

00:06:43.660 You remember that back in 2017, Trump did his first global visit and he went to Saudi Arabia.

00:06:51.400 And this was intended to be the counter to Obama's visit to Cairo in 2009.

00:06:59.080 Obama went to Cairo in 2009 at the start of his presidency and he said, it's a new day, we're going to be back in democracy, we want to get rid of these old regimes.

00:07:08.600 Lo and behold, a few years later, the Muslim Brotherhood took over Egypt, Tunisia, was fighting for Syria, Islamic State broke out in Iraq on the back of the Syria war, it was total chaos.

00:07:23.540 It was absolute chaos.

00:07:25.260 So Trump comes back and he says to the Middle Easterners, he brings together all of the leaders of the Muslim world, and he says, none of that. 0.99

00:07:33.760 We are done with radical Islam, radical Islam is the problem, we want to get rid of it, if you don't get rid of it, we're going to break your skulls. 1.00

00:07:43.200 So the Saudis, the Emiratis and the Egyptians imposed a blockade on Qatar and tried to overthrow the regime. 0.98

00:07:51.760 And rumor has it that the Emiratis were actually planning to invade with special forces in partnership with the Saudis.

00:07:59.100 The State Department and the Pentagon step in, because in fact, they want Qatar to be a military base, a base for radical Islam, because that means that they can talk to radical Islam.

00:08:13.840 And that means that they can use these jihadis, as they did in Afghanistan, this time against Iran and Russia in Syria and in Iraq.

00:08:23.520 And so they make this whole thing fails.

00:08:27.160 So what does Jeffrey Epstein do?

00:08:29.680 He does two things.

00:08:31.500 He introduces the Qataris to Steve Bannon. 0.78

00:08:35.660 And the email is just Jadur, the name of the interlocutor that he was working with, who was the grandson of the former prime minister of Qatar.

00:08:43.920 That man, Hamad bin Jassim, the grandfather, controls an enormous international wealth fund, sovereign wealth fund.

00:08:53.440 And he introduces him to Steve Bannon, the guy who was advocating the overthrow of Qatar.

00:09:01.640 So Epstein in this node is basically linking the new right in the United States to the Muslim Brotherhood and helping them reconcile. 0.69

00:09:12.560 That's his job.

00:09:16.520 And he can do that because he's trusted by all sides. 1.00

00:09:20.900 And part of the trust comes from the fact that he's a degenerate pervert. 0.87

00:09:24.480 Because if you're rich enough that, you know, just a regular whiskey and cigar isn't enough to sate your appetites, naturally you go on to the next thing and then the next thing and then the next thing. 0.95

00:09:40.260 And eventually that becomes transgressive degeneracy.

00:09:44.700 And when you're in that club of transgressive degenerates, you know that you can't talk about it because anybody who hears about it and is of sane mind will react with tortures and pitchforks and heads on spikes. 1.00

00:09:56.320 So that's Epstein's job.

00:09:59.860 He brings the network that is responsible for the Muslim Brotherhood. 1.00

00:10:06.000 And he helps it reconcile with a network that is responsible for the American new right, alt-right, whatever you want to call it.

00:10:14.500 And he's able to have trust on both sides and make introductions and then maybe help them do business.

00:10:23.240 And then he does the same with Ehud Barat.

00:10:25.500 He introduces Ehud Barat to the Qataris.

00:10:27.960 The Qataris and the Israelis had a long-standing formal relationship.

00:10:33.300 It was Netanyahu who asked the Qataris to pay Hamas because he wanted to keep the West Bank and Gaza separate so that there would be no pressure for a new Palestinian state.

00:10:46.700 So long as they were divided, he could say, I don't have a partner for peace.

00:10:50.980 The settlers can run amok.

00:10:53.100 They can do whatever they want.

00:10:54.160 So he was working with the Qataris at the time, and that wasn't satisfactory.

00:11:02.480 So what happens?

00:11:04.320 The Qataris need a back channel to the Israelis. 1.00

00:11:07.560 There is Ehud Barat.

00:11:09.420 Epstein introduces the Qataris to Ehud Barat.

00:11:14.280 That's the primary role.

00:11:16.100 You have these ethnic networks of patronage across the world, in Israel, in India, wherever.

00:11:24.160 Epstein acts as a kind of clearinghouse, linking these networks together, letting them do business, implicating them in crime together so that they can trust each other.

00:11:36.300 Because they don't have a shared leadership, or a shared creed, or a shared ethnic identity, or a shared culture.

00:11:44.180 They're naturally enemies.

00:11:46.320 The only thing that can bind them together is the perception, we are oligarchic elites.

00:11:52.860 We can do whatever the hell we want.

00:11:55.840 Jeffrey Epstein introduced us.

00:11:57.100 So this is a really interesting development, because, of course, a lot of people looked at the Epstein situation.

00:12:05.300 We knew that at some level he was involved in sex trafficking, sexual degeneracy.

00:12:10.000 But the kind of thing that captured people's minds was this idea that Epstein had a treasure trove of every world leader on camera, you know, fooling around with a nine-year-old.

00:12:21.180 Like, that was kind of the salacious nature of his evil.

00:12:26.180 And when the files didn't immediately reveal that, that drove a lot of people to say, oh, well, then he was just nothing.

00:12:33.780 It's like we've all been saying he was just some business guy moving around money, you know, helping rich people figure out how to hide their money from taxes.

00:12:41.780 That he was just an accountant.

00:12:43.160 Like, you know, I'm seeing a lot of this from people on the right, weirdly enough.

00:12:47.760 And that's just obviously not the case.

00:12:50.320 As you say, what we're seeing here is that Epstein was exactly what we thought he was when it comes to this nexus of political power, the shady elites organizing, you know, these horrible deals with terrible people who are all bound together, as you say, by, like, this degenerative behavior.

00:13:08.700 The difference was it wasn't the manner in which we thought that was being doled out, right?

00:13:15.160 Instead of it being like this, you know, Rolodex, that's increasingly a reference that no Zoomer will get.

00:13:21.880 But there was this entire collect, instead of having this collection of blackmail material necessarily of this, like, salacious sex type,

00:13:29.460 what we see is a guy who is involved in money laundering, involved in intelligence peddling, involved, yes, also in pimping and sexual degeneracy as well.

00:13:39.920 But he provides things to people.

00:13:41.820 He makes things happen.

00:13:42.760 He makes connections.

00:13:43.960 He knows where all of the bodies are buried.

00:13:46.700 And that, as you say, allows him to forge kind of this international network of elites who, you know, we've tried to explain through many other, you know, avenues.

00:13:57.240 I've done a book on this.

00:13:58.520 Christopher Lash.

00:13:59.380 Others have talked about, like, these emergent managerial elites and oligarchs and how they're no longer loyal to their nations.

00:14:06.000 But this is really the most direct version of that, where it's no longer this organic, mechanical kind of emergence of a new class that sees itself as set apart.

00:14:16.120 It's an actually manufactured and managed network of, you know, degenerates who are unified through their, you know, perverse tastes.

00:14:26.760 And they're also, as you say, often ethnic networks.

00:14:29.660 And these are things that are very uncomfortable for people to talk about in the West, especially Americans.

00:14:35.780 But I know in the UK and other places, it's also considered very, you know, we don't acknowledge.

00:14:41.900 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:14:43.060 It's very taboo.

00:14:43.560 We don't acknowledge that other cultures are clannish and think of each other as a group that needs to be fought for, that you're allowed to subvert other groups, disadvantage other groups, use other groups as long as it's in pursuit of your group. 0.96

00:14:58.020 These are just things that are really uncomfortable to kind of Western liberal sensibilities, but are just obvious and evident.

00:15:05.080 But we try to avoid talking about them, but you have to talk about them with the Epstein files.

00:15:09.000 And I think that's, again, why it was pushed to keep these, you know, kind of down, not because necessarily any one person was in the files, but it just shows the really ugly nature of how a guy like Epstein becomes kind of this central power broker.

00:15:24.820 No, absolutely.

00:15:27.320 And just as an example of him being a central power broker, early on in the Trump presidency, the Indians were worried about Trump.

00:15:36.280 So what happens?

00:15:38.180 Anil Ambani, who is an Indian billionaire, deeply connected to the BJP, the ruling party in India, reaches out to Epstein.

00:15:48.340 Epstein recommends that he go through Israel.

00:15:50.980 And so Modi, the prime minister of India, visits Israel for the first time.

00:15:58.260 Back in the day of the non-aligned movement, India was very much pro-Palestinian.

00:16:02.520 But Modi flips that, uses it to sort of reinforce his nationalist credentials against Pakistan, tries to cast Israel as an ally against radical Islam, uses that as a ticket to get into the White House and get a better deal in the White House.

00:16:21.780 Now, if you're Modi or Epstein or anybody, sorry, if you're Ambani or Epstein or anybody in that network, you know exactly how to trade on this insider information.

00:16:33.800 You know precisely how to trade on it.

00:16:38.080 So you help make the arrangements in advance, knowing what's going to happen.

00:16:42.960 Then you trade on the back of it.

00:16:45.020 You see the same example with Macron in France.

00:16:48.620 And you see the same example with Peter Mandelson in Britain.

00:16:52.820 By the way, on the Prince Andrew stuff, everybody's focused on Prince Andrew being a royal.

00:17:00.020 That's not the issue.

00:17:01.640 The issue is that for a decade, Prince Andrew took over from his uncle from between 2011 to 2011.

00:17:12.700 He took over from his uncle, who is the head of the Freemasons in Britain.

00:17:17.600 He took over as the British trade representative.

00:17:22.720 And so Prince Andrew's job was to go as a royal and open doors in places like Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan or the Middle East or what have you,

00:17:36.380 and use his status as a royal to facilitate British business.

00:17:40.400 That's why somebody like Epstein would absolutely be interested in Prince Andrew and would want to make sure that he does have something over Prince Andrew

00:17:50.480 so that when he finds out about some major business deal with a British company that's going to get a billion-dollar weapons contract or oil contract,

00:18:00.160 Epstein's network gets to trade on the back of it.

00:18:02.060 Peter Mandelson was one of the architects, who's also Jewish, by the way, was one of the architects of New Labour,

00:18:12.400 Tony Blair's government in Britain, and the waves of immigration and the growth in housing prices and all of that stuff.

00:18:22.380 He was pretty much leaking cabinet-level information, government-level information.

00:18:27.760 Peter Mandelson, two minutes after it arrived to him and sending it to Jeffrey Epstein.

00:18:35.680 Now, he got around £50,000, some $75,000 in direct cash payments from Epstein.

00:18:46.500 More importantly, he got introductions into Deutsche Bank and into Lazare, Lazare also a Jewish bank.

00:18:53.400 And he ended up working for Lazare for millions of dollars, trading on the government knowledge and networks that he had built,

00:19:04.660 while he was essentially the number three man in the British government.

00:19:10.540 And during that period where he was working with Epstein, he was also the EU's trade commissioner,

00:19:18.140 meaning that all of the trade regulations had to be run by him, meaning that he was also leaking that information to Epstein all the time.

00:19:28.060 And so Epstein and his network were getting visibility on pretty much all of the regulation

00:19:34.020 and all of the key economic decisions that were happening in Britain and in the EU through Peter Mandelson.

00:19:41.440 And then they rewarded him with a job that gives him millions of dollars every year at one of the banks that would have been presumably profiting from this.

00:19:52.540 With Macron, it's different.

00:19:54.640 Macron was also a Rothschild banker.

00:19:57.280 And Epstein says that he represents the Rothschilds.

00:19:59.340 And so what you've got with Macron is Epstein saying that he was asking about pretty much every piece of political change or economic change

00:20:12.240 that he was planning on making in France, meaning the EU as well.

00:20:17.740 And he was casting Macron as somebody who was going to try to lead Europe and maybe the world.

00:20:23.520 And he had had a relationship with Macron back from when he was an economy minister, I think with a leftist, with François Hollande.

00:20:34.220 And so the Rothschilds, rather than having Macron work directly with Ariane de Rothschild,

00:20:47.320 to whom Epstein keeps on sending emails and getting information from her,

00:20:53.420 they had him work with two lower-level guys, Epstein and I think Olivier Colombe,

00:21:00.220 who was also in the WEF.

00:21:05.060 And when Macron was saying that he wanted to change how government is done, do this, work more closely with the private sector,

00:21:14.700 fundamentally alter the landscape, Epstein hooks him up with the CEO of the World Economic Forum

00:21:23.300 and makes sure that Macron implements their agenda, meaning that the WEF sits down with all of the CEOs,

00:21:35.040 gets their menu of demands, passes it on to somebody like Epstein,

00:21:40.500 Epstein then passes it on to Macron, and it gets implemented.

00:21:43.800 So he's that intersection of the global oligarchy, the managerial elite, whatever you want to call them.

00:21:57.540 And he is profiting from both sides of these transactions and from every single piece of information that passes his way.

00:22:06.500 He's obviously trading that or knows people who know how to trade that.

00:22:12.840 And he's helping the oligarchy interface with governments to make sure that they get what they want.

00:22:22.260 And in the West, it is obvious that Jewish people are overrepresented in that oligarchy. 0.51

00:22:28.340 And you get, therefore, the idea that this is one big Jewish conspiracy,

00:22:34.880 even though the average Jew on the street has nothing to do with it at the end of the day.

00:22:40.200 And that oligarchy includes Jews as well as Gentiles.

00:22:45.180 So what we're seeing here, I think, is the outlines of what, you know, for so many people,

00:22:53.560 has been kind of the reiterated one world conspiracy, right?

00:22:59.120 Like you hear, oh, the Rothschilds run everything, and the WEF, and they're all in together.

00:23:03.780 And it sounds, oh, okay, yeah, I get it, man.

00:23:07.420 One world government, the Illuminati.

00:23:09.440 It sounds like some kind of wild conspiracy.

00:23:12.200 But when you look at the contours of power, it sadly makes perfect sense.

00:23:16.740 You have an influential set of billionaires like the Rothschilds.

00:23:20.940 They're going to have donated to all these people.

00:23:24.300 They're going to have business interests.

00:23:25.520 They're going to have political connections.

00:23:27.180 Obviously, you have banks that allow for a large amount of influence internationally.

00:23:32.000 Many presidents, foreign ministers, media moguls, they're all going to be connected to these things.

00:23:40.120 No one person has to lay out, hey, this is how the one world government works.

00:23:45.780 Here are the protocols.

00:23:46.960 Here's how we make this happen.

00:23:48.180 But through these mutual understandings, the fact that a guy like Epstein is interested in collecting all of this blackmail material and owing people favors and having the connections, he creates this nexus.

00:24:02.480 All of a sudden, the interests just naturally flow through these networks that have been established.

00:24:07.940 Now, some of them will be ethnic in setup.

00:24:12.240 And it's not just the Rothschild one that is like that, obviously.

00:24:15.940 That's what we also see is that actually, in many cases, it's connecting one ethnic network to another.

00:24:21.200 It's not like it's just this one thing that owns the globe.

00:24:23.680 But it is a significant node in this pattern of elite connection that people recognize.

00:24:29.840 And so, as you say, that doesn't mean that the average Jewish person on the street has any clue what the Rothschilds are doing or any influence or connection or even necessarily benefits.

00:24:38.960 But ultimately, the truth is that this is just one of several ethnic networks that is connected to many of the influential actions that our governments take.

00:24:48.680 And so, I think that's really what is capturing the imagination of a lot of people who are diving into these.

00:24:57.200 I agree with you completely.

00:24:59.200 And I want to make two points.

00:25:01.020 The first point that I want to make is that if your mental model is based on the idea that what we have in the West is a series of democracies that are sovereign, that reflect the will of the public.

00:25:18.960 And if your neighbor has a mental model that says it's actually a Rothschild conspiracy, your neighbor has a more accurate mental model than you do.

00:25:28.940 It's not to say that your neighbor's mental model is accurate or fully correct, but it's a better tool for parsing reality and making predictions of the future than a model that says that this is representative democracy.

00:25:44.140 That's the first point that I want to make.

00:25:45.540 The second point that I want to make is that nowhere in the West do you see an ethnic network that is purely German or French or English or Italian or whatever other Western country.

00:26:05.140 So, there is the sense that for the straight white man who wants to live a decent Christian lifestyle, there is zero representation at the elite level.

00:26:22.560 Not just in that their votes don't matter because the governments do whatever they want to do, informed by networks of bankers and financiers tied to the WEF and therefore tied also to people like Epstein.

00:26:40.340 It's that these average citizens don't have anybody speaking out for them.

00:26:46.460 And the third point that I think should be mentioned in relation to this is that the advent of free trade and the concomitant advent of de-industrialization meant that all Western elites were fundamentally financial, not industrial, not agricultural elites.

00:27:11.880 They were primarily financial elites and as financial elites, they naturally tie into the banking sector and into the interests of bankers.

00:27:24.980 And in that industry, there is a degree of over-representation for some ethnic groups.

00:27:32.020 And so you get the sense that nobody gives a damn about the white working class man.

00:27:38.960 And that is, in fact, an accurate perception because at the level of these networks and these elites, you have Indian industrialists, you have Saudi royals who want to build industry in Saudi Arabia and safeguard Saudi interests.

00:27:56.380 You get Russians, you get Russians who are interested in Russia's industrial capabilities, but you don't get anybody whose interests actually align with those of the white working class man.

00:28:10.960 None.

00:28:12.500 Instead, you get financial elites who, whether Jew or Gentile, primarily care about the financial sector. 0.87

00:28:20.100 And the result of that is that the West no longer makes anything and that there are no good industrial jobs and that you as a working class male cannot live on a single income and provide for your family and live a normal life.

00:28:35.320 So the impact of the Epstein revelations extends across every level of focus that you can think of.

00:28:45.600 At the high level of Zoom, at the sort of big mega picture, what you get is a bunch of international ethnic elites.

00:28:56.260 In India, they represent the government and the government is trying to make Indians' lives better.

00:29:02.280 In China, they represent the government and the government is trying to make Chinese people's lives better.

00:29:09.240 They're interfacing with each other.

00:29:10.880 They're meeting through Epstein.

00:29:12.540 He's arranging business deals between Bill Gates, Arab billionaires, Ukrainian billionaires and Chinese billionaires.

00:29:19.520 That's in one of the emails.

00:29:22.400 He's helping these things happen.

00:29:24.480 But there isn't a single oligarch in that network who is primarily an industrialist and who wants more manufacturing jobs that can provide a lower middle class, decent enough lifestyle for the white working man.

00:29:40.440 So what we see here, again, as you're saying, is that you have these lobbying blocks, essentially, of oligarchs.

00:29:49.440 And for, you know, there are, again, we say there's multiple ethnic spheres here that are, they're lobbying for their own people.

00:29:56.440 The Indians are looking out for their people.

00:29:58.880 The, you know, the Arabs are mostly looking out for their people.

00:30:02.140 The Chinese are looking out for their people.

00:30:04.000 Well, that doesn't mean that they're good people, obviously, but that they're, they still have a tie to those cultures, to those people.

00:30:11.720 There's some alignment in their interests.

00:30:14.220 Exactly.

00:30:14.800 Whatever behavior they're engaging in, even if it's bad behavior, there is at least some understanding that it's going to benefit the people that they represent in some way.

00:30:24.640 And it feels weird to like, you know, say, hey, where's our degenerate elite, you know, completely morally compromised guy fighting for our interests.

00:30:34.300 But there is what Trump was supposed to be.

00:30:36.560 Yeah.

00:30:37.120 And that's actually kind of what we're hitting on here.

00:30:40.460 When, you know, when we switch to a financialized economy and a service economy, first, you know, if you have a, if you have a service economy, you're training your people to be servants.

00:30:49.600 Right.

00:30:50.320 Like, so that, that, that, that's the first thing.

00:30:52.520 But when you financialize the economy, as you say, everything moves into banking, everything moves into the financial sector.

00:30:58.800 And by its very nature, the liquidity of capital requires it to be unmoored from any given country for, for banks to really work.

00:31:07.220 They need to be international.

00:31:09.220 They need to be kind of liminal spaces that don't represent any specific, you know, people or, or, or understanding or culture.

00:31:16.700 You want the lowest number, lowest amount of friction between financial interactions that you can in order to increase their efficiency.

00:31:24.240 And so because you've pulled your entire economy and your entire understanding of production and consumption out of any rootedness in any given people or any given place or producing something physical, manifesting actual, you know, touch something you can touch.

00:31:38.660 Instead, everything is just ones and zeros, it's services, it's, it's things that flow easily across borders that you don't see the people directly use.

00:31:46.660 It just creates this mentality that you are people of anywhere and nowhere and that, that it's, it's okay if your elites kind of just congeal into this one, you know, unified interest that's no longer specifically tied.

00:31:59.780 And so, you know, these other ethnic cartels at least are working in the, you know, in the interest of a concrete people with a concrete production and economic mode, those kinds of things.

00:32:10.840 In the West, it's like, it's like, we just kind of melted everything down and just ran it through the banks.

00:32:15.920 And this is like the, the network that Epstein is ultimately at the center of.

00:32:20.920 Exactly, exactly, exactly right.

00:32:23.500 He can hook you up with Deutsche Bank.

00:32:25.140 He can hook you up with HSBC.

00:32:26.740 He can connect you to Lloyd's.

00:32:28.380 He can connect you to JP Morgan, obviously.

00:32:31.940 He can connect you to Lazar and he can connect you to the Rothschilds.

00:32:35.440 All of these are among his, his interlocutors.

00:32:40.780 And because he has connections in places like Saudi Arabia and Qatar and what have you, you see these emails of people asking him, what's your view on the Saudi stock market?

00:32:50.740 What's your view on Saudi bond issuances?

00:32:52.760 So you see people asking him for favors in terms of information.

00:32:59.640 In exchange, if somebody like Peter Mandelson were to show up asking for a job, having for the past decade provided him an inside track on what the British government is doing and what the EU Trade Commission is doing, he can place him in that position.

00:33:15.220 So he's at the intersection of these various networks.

00:33:20.040 And the more connections he has, the more value he gets.

00:33:24.120 Now, there's one more point that I want to mention.

00:33:25.780 I was just looking at this email now.

00:33:27.920 I might have gotten some of the details wrong, but I get, but I get the big idea correctly because I just glanced at it.

00:33:34.620 What you see there is an event set up by one of the British think tanks.

00:33:40.140 And that event is financed by, I believe, Mort Zimmerman.

00:33:45.220 Who is an American Jewish oligarch.

00:33:48.900 This guy basically has either the president or the former president of Mongolia speaking at that event at that British think tank.

00:34:01.600 And Epstein somehow is in attendance.

00:34:04.920 And so Epstein meets the former president and wrangles an invitation to Mongolia.

00:34:10.040 And then a few years later, you see emails asking Epstein about his views on Mongolia and the interests that people have there.

00:34:18.620 So the think tanks in this way help with that intersection in that they allow you to provide a platform for government officials to sit and bloviate.

00:34:33.800 But after the bloviating, there's the drinks.

00:34:37.840 And over the drinks, you meet the financiers.

00:34:40.060 And if somebody like Epstein meets you and drops the name Rothschild, well, what do you do?

00:34:46.800 You give him an invitation to your country to come visit you.

00:34:49.320 And you get a very nice email from a very obsequious assistant just asking, when would you like to visit?

00:34:55.840 The president really wants to meet you and he wants to speak to you a little bit more because you're coming from that forum with the assurance that there is a pool of capital behind this guy that you just met.

00:35:09.560 And you, as a president, want access to that pool of capital.

00:35:13.140 So it becomes deeply self-reinforcing.

00:35:15.540 But then what are the think tanks going to say?

00:35:17.560 The think tanks are going to say whatever the donor that provides them the money to host events that former government officials attend wants them to say. 0.96

00:35:29.220 And so the whole damn thing becomes one incestuous, depraved network, and you're not part of it.

00:35:36.960 And if to add to that, you also want to be on top of the latest developments in technology and business and science, well, you need the university guys because they're going to hear about which department got funded by which oligarch, and they're going to hear about which technology looks to be promising. 0.99

00:36:00.360 And so you want filthy bastards like Lawrence Krauss to be in your orbit, even though in his emails, Epstein makes it clear that he finds the guy pretty odious and annoying.

00:36:17.900 You want people like that to be around you because they are going to provide sources of information that you can then trade. 0.98

00:36:24.460 So Epstein sort of sits at the center of all of this, and it's all about collecting information that you can then monetize.

00:36:34.260 That's why you see him emailing essentially his boss, Ariane de Rothschild, talking to her about major opportunities that are going to happen in Ukraine because of the upheaval.

00:36:45.000 And then she sends him this flirty girlboss email, how she's sort of cracking her banker's skulls and promising to meet him to talk about the Ukraine opportunities.

00:36:58.980 So you see full-on war profiteering on the back of it.

00:37:03.040 You see a bunch of emails from Libya or relating to Libya about how Epstein is trying to track down funds related to Libya.

00:37:11.220 He's trying to help people get permits in Libya to import stuff from the U.S., get various global brands back into Libya to make money on the back of that in partnership with the UAE.

00:37:24.560 So it's an information clearinghouse.

00:37:28.740 The purpose of it is to enrich the bankers.

00:37:32.700 And it interfaces with the government through the WEF.

00:37:36.580 And whenever somebody in government wants ideas, Epstein hooks you up with the WEF.

00:37:44.040 Right. This is the thing that people don't understand.

00:37:47.080 When they were all looking at the Epstein files from the outside, when they were speculating on Epstein, it was, who does Epstein work for?

00:37:53.860 Is he CIA? Is he Mossad? Is he some other intelligence asset?

00:37:58.200 And the answer is, no, Jeffrey Epstein is the intelligence.

00:38:02.380 He is his own intelligence agency.

00:38:06.100 And so when he's talking to people, when he's collecting these professors, when he's hooking people up with jobs, when he's making deals,

00:38:13.260 every connection, every bit of dirt, every bribe, every job, every thing that can be offered is one more piece of leverage, one more way that he can manipulate it.

00:38:25.440 It's another avenue of power.

00:38:28.360 So is he just running this sex ring, as people speculated?

00:38:32.420 No, that doesn't look to be like actually his major leverage.

00:38:36.580 His real leverage is the constant connections, the friendships, the favors owed, the information he has on the back end.

00:38:44.300 There's just an infinite number of ways that he, like you said, he can monetize and manipulate and use that to create these situations, make introductions, allow for opportunities.

00:38:55.000 And this one is what makes him ultimately so valuable.

00:38:58.440 And I guess that means we need to talk about what is probably in America the more difficult part of this, which is why the Trump administration drug their feet on this.

00:39:09.280 Because, you know, a lot of people pointed, and it's true, that ultimately Donald Trump did not make this big thing about promising the Epstein files.

00:39:17.340 But he did hire guys like Kash Patel and Dan Bogino, who spoke endlessly about, no, these are real.

00:39:25.040 We've got him red-handed.

00:39:26.460 You know, Pam Bondi also engaged in some of this stuff before she was brought in.

00:39:29.900 And then we show up, and it turns out, well, actually, there's not really anything there.

00:39:35.720 Now, it turns out there was something there the whole time.

00:39:38.480 We all assumed that was the case.

00:39:40.080 There's nobody except, like, I guess, the most completely blind. 0.96

00:39:44.380 And look, I'm a Trump supporter.

00:39:46.180 You know, I think this administration is far better than anything we've had under Republicans previously, and certainly anything better to have Democrats.

00:39:53.260 But I'm not going to sit here and pretend like this was an absolute disaster for the administration in the way that they handled this.

00:39:59.940 Now, I know, I understand that a lot of the information we're discussing here is uncomfortable, right?

00:40:05.260 That makes perfect sense.

00:40:06.640 I understand why they would be hesitant about rolling it out.

00:40:09.880 It hurts certain people that maybe they need favors from, that kind of thing, or that they're connected to.

00:40:14.660 But ultimately, this information was going to come out, right?

00:40:17.900 Like, it was obviously eventually going to come out.

00:40:21.600 So I guess the question is, why wound your own reputation as this, like, you know, maverick coming from outside, ripping, you know, the mask off, the corrupt institutions?

00:40:32.400 Why not just make this information available and put yourself in the position of the truth teller?

00:40:38.600 Say, look, we know there's some embarrassing things here.

00:40:41.940 We know there's some uncomfortable things here.

00:40:43.740 But we promised to be the administration that was going to get rid of the swamp, drain the swamp, get rid of, you know, the lies and the corrupt elites.

00:40:52.320 And so even though this is going to hurt us a little bit, even though this is going to be embarrassing for some people bully alike, I think they would have gotten infinitely more, you know, mileage out of being the truth teller.

00:41:04.680 And it would have protected the base.

00:41:06.540 It would have stolen everything the Democrats would have had, right?

00:41:09.880 I just don't understand why they didn't take that move.

00:41:12.300 Because you see Epstein linking Peter Thiel with Arianna de Rothschild, and you see Larry Ellison appearing in these emails.

00:41:28.860 I haven't looked for the Adelsons yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some connection.

00:41:34.020 And you have the situation where Thiel is the main backer of J.D. Vance, or has been in the past.

00:41:41.920 And Ellison literally vetted Marco Rubio to see whether or not he was going to fund him and then gave him five million bucks.

00:41:49.140 And with the Adelsons, they don't want anything that embarrasses Ehud Barak and exposes the Israel connection, because throughout these emails, whenever Epstein is acting altruistically, he's acting in the interest of Israel.

00:42:06.280 That's the only time that he shows anybody any goodwill.

00:42:10.760 For everybody else, Badona is described as Kato because of her interest in Judaism and Kabbalah.

00:42:18.140 The rest of us are described as Goyim, which is pretty derogatory.

00:42:22.600 And when you look at that, you see that Jewish identity is the central part of Epstein's identity. 0.82

00:42:33.320 And you see his connections to all of these big donors and his connections to Israel.

00:42:40.040 And that becomes a major, as the administration correctly said, national security question.

00:42:44.920 Because if this network that includes at least a bunch of Jewish supremacists, who, again, don't represent all Jews, but they are Jewish supremacists, are involved and are financing people in the administration,

00:43:00.500 and some of the people within the FC network were, including Thiel and Ellison, then that means that the administration does not have a free hand to go and bomb Iran, which it's trying to do.

00:43:16.000 Now I'm hearing that the negotiations broke down between the U.S. and Iran, and the next negotiation round is not going to happen, meaning that there is a pretty good chance of war.

00:43:25.480 Meaning that the administration that ran on the promise, no new wars, no stupid wars in the Middle East, is about to get sucked into a conflict with the Iranians, who don't actually have any conflicting interests with the Americans. 0.97

00:43:44.920 Iran is a bulwark that stands between Pakistan and Turkey and keeps the Sunnis sort of separated. 0.98

00:43:51.240 So it is of benefit to the U.S. not to have the Sunni Muslims unite. 1.00

00:43:58.980 But because of Israel, the U.S. might be bombing Iran. 0.81

00:44:02.960 And that's the only reason.

00:44:06.340 And so if you expose the fact that the only time Epstein acts altruistically is for Israel,

00:44:12.180 and that he is a Jewish supremacist, and that he has people writing to him about how everybody else's souls are of a lower level than Jewish souls,

00:44:23.500 which is a key tenet of Chabad, and Trump keeps appointing people from Chabad into his administration,

00:44:31.740 including the new anti-Semitism czar, who is promising to police everybody's speech,

00:44:36.360 you end up with a major disaster, because it shows that there is this very real ethnic conflict that's happening, 0.69

00:44:47.700 and that elites in the West have been co-opted by an ethnic group.

00:44:54.800 Epstein keeps on saying that he doesn't do any real-world economy stuff.

00:45:00.220 He doesn't invest in the real economy.

00:45:03.440 He says, as a Jew, I make my money from money, and from trading and speculation and things of that nature.

00:45:11.060 He keeps on saying that.

00:45:13.180 He says, I don't involve myself in this, but if my brothers want to do it,

00:45:17.040 talking about a Qatari, and I believe, I'm not sure what the nationality of the other guy was,

00:45:23.520 then he'll help them.

00:45:25.780 But it's not something that he would ever touch.

00:45:27.580 So when you see that side of the picture, when you tie these things together,

00:45:35.040 you end up with a very big problem.

00:45:40.280 And to be clear for people listening, those are his words, right?

00:45:43.700 These are not your words.

00:45:44.880 His words, not mine.

00:45:45.500 His words, not mine.

00:45:46.720 You're not impugning these, you know, you're not looking at these motives and attributing them.

00:45:51.120 You know, these are his statements.

00:45:52.840 And so these are things, frankly, a lot of people who are not welcome in polite society have assumed was going on in the background.

00:46:05.760 But you have seen just saying it out loud.

00:46:09.120 And that's, you know, that's, again, very awkward for many, many people across the globe.

00:46:17.080 But obviously, we could talk about this for a very long time.

00:46:20.020 There's so much more.

00:46:21.440 And I think, you know, like I said, this is just the first toe in, you know, there's millions and millions of these pages that are going to continue to be gone through.

00:46:29.820 But before we go, the last question I want to ask you before we get to the audience is, do you think that ultimately this is going to have an impact?

00:46:39.100 You know, I've speculated a bit about this.

00:46:41.040 And I think, unfortunately, it might be the case that the, you know, in a lot of ways, kind of the salacious nature of the rumors around Epstein drove a lot of the interest.

00:46:50.920 And what we're going to see now that we actually have files and, you know, people are going to rush out and they're going to say, oh, well, we've got evidence that Trump was, you know, touching a nine-year-old girl.

00:47:01.340 People are going to come out and say these things that are totally false, that aren't qualified, you know, in the emails or, you know, verified through other documents, other research.

00:47:10.840 And that's going to lessen the impact of the truth that comes out of these.

00:47:17.020 There's going to be so much, again, noise to the signal that people are going to say, oh, just another guy who read another Epstein email and didn't understand that it was a joke or is out of context or, you know, it's an unverified report.

00:47:30.240 And so this is just all conspiracy.

00:47:32.720 It'll just taint the entire well.

00:47:35.200 Do you think that's going to be the case or do you think there will be big things that do come out and people are held accountable for?

00:47:41.100 I think the way that I see it is as follows.

00:47:50.980 The West is at a civilizational collapse moment and is close to a civil war moment.

00:47:56.780 In so many ways, wherever you look, you see decay, breakdown in law and order, the inability of governments to sort of uphold their basic duties.

00:48:10.220 And you see it in Italy and you see it in Germany and you see it in Canada.

00:48:16.600 You see it in Britain, obviously.

00:48:18.500 You see it all over.

00:48:19.400 This is happening because of people like Epstein.

00:48:26.000 This is happening because there is no representation for the average citizen and his interests.

00:48:34.680 The interests of the elites and the interests of the working public have been completely separated.

00:48:41.040 The public has been made dependent on welfare or on low income jobs that don't support a family.

00:48:47.720 And this is a path towards civilizational suicide.

00:48:54.760 And these same elites want open door migration because, hey, more cheap labor. 0.95

00:48:59.600 Why do I care?

00:49:01.900 The asset prices go up.

00:49:04.800 The consumer products are sold more.

00:49:08.780 They benefit.

00:49:10.200 They don't care.

00:49:11.180 They have zero interest.

00:49:12.220 So that the collapse that you're seeing is directly tied to the power of the people in the Epstein network who rely on finance, who believe that human beings are fungible, who don't give a damn about other people's national identity, who, in Epstein's personal case, view everybody else's capital.

00:49:37.180 And Epstein's own words in his personal case, just to emphasize.

00:49:41.940 But you do get the impression that this is not just his view, that a lot of people in that network share that view.

00:49:53.420 And you do get these elites who regularly look down on people.

00:49:57.420 Gordon Brown, who was supposed to be the only decent British prime minister, had one lady complain to him when he was on the campaign trail that she can't get a doctor's appointment because there's too much immigration. 0.89

00:50:08.800 And he goes, what a bigoted woman. 1.00

00:50:12.720 The sneering attitude towards the plebeians is encouraged by the association of the elites with people who own yachts and private islands and private jets. 0.93

00:50:27.340 And so if nothing is done on the back of this, you're heading towards civilizational collapse or civil war.

00:50:37.960 And civil war is the optimistic option because you can recover from it. 1.00

00:50:42.860 That's what happens if we employ the Epstein files.

00:50:49.580 Yeah.

00:50:49.860 And as bleak as that is, it's hard to argue against.

00:50:54.860 I think you're ultimately correct that people simply cannot continue to live under governments that in no way care for their well-being and are willing to either destroy the well-being of the population or in some places liquidate the population if it serves their interests.

00:51:09.760 And so that tension is going to continue to build.

00:51:13.460 The fact that the Epstein files lay out those attitudes and give us a window into the world and how those elites are functioning, I think, is exactly why they were suppressed for so long.

00:51:24.800 I think you're very right about that.

00:51:27.100 And I do hope that there is a way to peacefully unwind the level of kind of corruption and influence that is outlined in these files.

00:51:36.700 But I do think that people trying to ignore it or downplay its importance are making a huge mistake.

00:51:43.720 I think that the wise thing for an America First movement to do is to embrace and fight back against this, you know, to embrace the reality here and fight back against the idea that it's okay for these things to operate, that we're just going to go along to get along.

00:52:00.920 That ultimately it's worth burying these kind of truths just so we can win a midterm or, you know, get through any given political difficulty.

00:52:10.060 There's too much at stake here.

00:52:11.360 And even if you are not involved, even if you are not implicated, if you're agreeing to hide these things, you know, in order to ultimately smooth your way through the halls of power, you're going to get this dirt on you.

00:52:25.500 You're going to be connected to this.

00:52:27.320 And it's just, you know, it's foolish to think that you can now, especially when this level of truth is available, that you can just kind of go ahead and bypass this by throwing out things like, oh, well, it's not a big deal.

00:52:39.540 It's a Democrat hoax.

00:52:40.520 These kind of things. 0.99

00:52:41.080 It's just a very foolish way to conduct yourself.

00:52:43.800 And I do hope that ultimately, you know, the administration will recognize that getting out in front of this would, you know, ultimately be a far better reaction.

00:52:53.160 That said, a fascinating discussion.

00:52:56.020 We do have to get to the questions of the people.

00:52:59.740 But before we do that, can you let people know where to find your work?

00:53:04.420 Yeah, sure.

00:53:04.820 I write on ModatGeopolitics.com and I have my X account at Firaz Modat and I present at the Lotus Eaters.

00:53:15.620 Excellent.

00:53:16.200 Well, like I said, big fan of Lotus Eaters.

00:53:18.520 You guys are always putting out fantastic work and you did a fantastic job with this subject.

00:53:23.140 So people should absolutely be watching if they are not already.

00:53:27.320 All right.

00:53:27.700 Let's grab your questions real quick.

00:53:29.620 We see the new GM says, Oren, the people need to know, what is your favorite nickname James Lindsay has for you?

00:53:36.820 Oren McIntyre, not his real name.

00:53:38.500 Oren McIntyre, the death butterfly.

00:53:41.580 McIntyre.

00:53:42.160 I did not know that, you know, James had these nicknames for me.

00:53:47.280 I do know that he was calling me an angel summoner, an archangel summoner.

00:53:52.180 So I think I'll go with that one.

00:53:53.300 That's definitely his conspiracy theory about me being in league with the Vatican and summoning archangels is probably my personal favorite.

00:54:02.160 That's quite a compliment.

00:54:04.140 I mean, if James Lindsay hasn't accused you of being at the center of a Catholic conspiracy as a Southern Baptist in the United States, then really what are you doing with your life?

00:54:12.340 You know, that's...

00:54:14.300 Alexandra and stuff says, elites want censorship, but social media can help them too. 0.75

00:54:20.340 Our attention span is so fried now that you can get away with anything you want or if you just wait.

00:54:26.160 I do appreciate the overall erosion of trust, though.

00:54:28.400 Yeah, that's a pretty spot on assessment of the problem.

00:54:32.340 In one instance, the internet breaks the monopoly on information, allows for the free flow.

00:54:37.580 You would probably have never gotten something like the Epstein files if it wasn't for the internet.

00:54:42.500 But at the same time, because there's this lack of shared authority, this epistemological understanding, we have the scenario where people just discard the stuff.

00:54:53.920 They move on quickly.

00:54:55.260 News cycles move past it.

00:54:56.680 They just assume it's one more, again, thing in the noise.

00:54:59.460 And so it's really easy to just dismiss, bypass, or confuse people with the amount of information that flows through the internet.

00:55:07.780 So that is a problem.

00:55:09.320 The very thing that brings you the Epstein files is probably the thing that means it won't stick around in the popular consciousness the way that it would have previously.

00:55:21.380 Spartan says, have to be careful here in YouTube.

00:55:25.100 Any take on any take other than an ethnic network is at war with you is a distraction.

00:55:32.480 Well, I think that is something that is definitely highlighted that these ethnic networks exist and that they are working for their own interests. 0.98

00:55:40.600 Again, we noted several ethnic networks that are uncovered in this, but obviously Epstein works for one.

00:55:46.620 And so, therefore, he is more you're more likely to see that one focused on.

00:55:50.560 It's not that the Chinese or, you know, the Indians are probably not doing things in their own interests that are somewhat nefarious, but they are simply in their interests as opposed to Epstein and the Rothschilds.

00:56:02.620 So that is really a scenario that you're kind of seeing played out there.

00:56:06.860 No, I'm not grim from Red Riding Hood says, Epstein, I work for the Rothschilds, Zonk Israel, and I'm one of its orbiters, the media. 0.85

00:56:20.220 It was a key player for Russia or something.

00:56:24.100 Yeah.

00:56:24.640 The Russia stuff, man.

00:56:25.740 I almost lost my mind over the Russia stuff.

00:56:28.040 Like, how did you get that?

00:56:29.660 And they dredged out Christopher Steele, Christopher Steele of the infamous Steele dossier, to say with all of his credibility that Epstein looks like he was working for the Russians.

00:56:42.640 Thank you, Christopher Steele.

00:56:44.180 Thank you for that.

00:56:45.500 It's a very incredibly reliable source, certainly in no way dishonored yet.

00:56:50.280 It is, the desperation is very obvious, but like you said, there's going to be a lot of people who just only watch MSNBC or, you know, I don't know what your worst lib outlet is in the UK.

00:57:05.480 All of them?

00:57:06.140 All of them, right.

00:57:07.740 So they're just going to swallow that stuff.

00:57:09.740 It will happen, I promise you.

00:57:13.300 Philosophical Thirstworm says, James Lindsay tomorrow.

00:57:15.120 Here we see Oren directly quoting Epstein.

00:57:19.280 This means he was also a freak.

00:57:21.720 Yeah, that's entirely possible.

00:57:24.000 But like I said, I've had James block for a long time and he's had me block.

00:57:27.820 I don't know what he's on about any given time.

00:57:31.860 Cherry Coke Nixon says, Epstein files equal diarrhea bomb that mixes lies in with the truth.

00:57:37.000 Insane stories about Trump and Bush 41. 0.96

00:57:40.180 Excite dirtbag hacks who treat it as the gospel truth.

00:57:43.060 Yeah, and like I said, that's going to be, I think, the long-term greatest difficulty of getting anything out of the Epstein files is there's going to be, the truth is buried in so many tangential accusations.

00:57:55.000 Again, anytime an FBI report gets filed, anytime an email is sent, it doesn't matter what it was about or if it was true or verified, it's going to be in the files.

00:58:04.200 So people are going to find that stuff.

00:58:05.520 They're going to run with it.

00:58:06.540 They're going to say, oh, look, I've got proof here because it was in the files.

00:58:08.900 And then the things that were verified, the things that were actually, you know, you can tie to real-world events and that kind of thing, those will lose credibility.

00:58:16.820 So that is, unfortunately, just the nature of this kind of drop.

00:58:21.520 And I don't think there's much you can do about that.

00:58:25.480 Nixon also says, Massey played a hero, but without context, these files are useless other than spreading rumors.

00:58:30.480 Can't arrest anyone based on them.

00:58:31.760 Truth mixed with lies.

00:58:32.800 Look, I have my problems with Massey, especially when it comes to border, you know, the way he treats the border and immigration sometimes.

00:58:41.080 But I can't make him the bad guy here.

00:58:42.900 I'm sorry.

00:58:43.500 Like, this stuff should have been out.

00:58:45.320 It should have been the Trump administration that put it out.

00:58:47.340 They could have controlled the story if they were the ones that put it out, put themselves in the position of truth-tellers, even when it's difficult.

00:58:53.560 Instead, they, you know, create the scenario where a guy like Massey gets to, quote, push him to the mat.

00:58:58.640 If you hadn't made the political mistake, then you wouldn't have had to worry about Massey.

00:59:01.880 So, sorry.

00:59:02.700 I'm sorry.

00:59:03.300 I just can't go long and say that this is Massey's fault.

00:59:05.480 Again, I have plenty of other problems with the libertarian wing of the right in the United States, but this just isn't one of them.

00:59:12.880 And Nixon says, unless it's emails to or from Epstein photos or videos, it's worthless hearsay.

00:59:19.140 Wish Dems keep the focus on.

00:59:20.500 Drump, it's also tiresome.

00:59:22.060 Yep.

00:59:22.280 Again, I can't argue with the fact that this is ultimately something that could be used to hurt the admin, even on with things that aren't true,

00:59:29.460 because they can just say, oh, look, I found, you know, this one random claim somewhere in an email, so it must be the case.

00:59:35.640 But ultimately, like I said, this is a self-inflicted will.

00:59:39.020 The administration could have avoided this.

00:59:41.640 It would have still been, you know, awkward.

00:59:44.000 It probably still would have had some level of damage impact, but they could have been in the driver's seat.

00:59:48.000 They could have been the ones with the moral authority on this, and they chose to hand it away.

00:59:52.040 And so now the left gets to beat them with it.

00:59:54.240 They shouldn't.

00:59:54.720 I don't want them to do that.

00:59:56.580 But I'm sorry.

00:59:57.520 I'm not so cynical that I'm like, yeah, sorry.

00:59:59.640 Let's just silence the truth so the admin doesn't have to deal with some difficult questions.

01:00:05.500 Enjoyer says Shabbat dinner are mandatory for the GOP.

01:00:09.680 Now, come on, man.

01:00:10.200 That's just the Heritage Foundation.

01:00:11.560 I don't know what you're talking about.

01:00:12.480 Nixon also says Epstein was a radical on trans and demoralizing the West.

01:00:20.600 Well, that much is absolutely true.

01:00:24.520 Thirstworm says, my fellow Semite dad has been shell-shocked about the mentions of the G word.

01:00:30.640 It's jarring to see them talk like that and others downplay it.

01:00:33.720 Yeah, I was seeing some people that I like trying to downplay the usage of that word.

01:00:39.020 Well, it's just another word for people who aren't Jewish.

01:00:43.680 No, that's Gentile, right? 1.00

01:00:46.860 You can say Black person. 0.94

01:00:48.620 You can say Negro. 0.96

01:00:49.800 These are words that are just the words that are used to refer to those people.

01:00:53.080 But then there's a word you know is negative.

01:00:55.200 And you know if you use it, you're not just using it to describe a group of people.

01:00:58.860 Everyone knows that's the case.

01:01:00.540 But we're just pretending it's not the case because it's awkward to notice if a Jewish person is deploying the same method.

01:01:06.820 I'm sorry.

01:01:07.440 And it wouldn't have worked the other way.

01:01:10.240 Yeah, exactly.

01:01:10.760 And it would have never worked the other way.

01:01:12.820 Right.

01:01:14.500 100%.

01:01:14.940 Florida Henry says, honestly, white people in HR and management don't care about workers either.

01:01:21.820 That's certainly true. 0.95

01:01:23.240 Unfortunately, there's obviously a lot of willingness to treat white people poorly in elite circles, especially by white people.

01:01:33.600 You know, I actually just wrote an article.

01:01:35.760 It will be up, you know, on the blaze probably today or tomorrow about the fact that we kind of just euphemize ethnic cleansing of white people in the West, you know, for similar reasons.

01:01:46.460 This is this is a mentality that has to change.

01:01:49.000 Yeah, that's really all there is to it.

01:01:50.780 They're the free pass on treating white people poorly because of all these narratives of victimhoods of other peoples that it just has to stop.

01:01:58.380 That's all there is to it.

01:01:59.400 He also says, or sorry, Thirst Swarm says, it is like the Seinfeld credits in these emails with all the Bergs and Steins and Israel style Star Wars names.

01:02:13.340 Again, I have not gone through all these files myself, so I cannot speak to the concentration of them.

01:02:21.040 But that which is revealed, obviously, is is concerning.

01:02:24.980 And like I said, there are multiple ethnic networks revealed.

01:02:29.240 We're just looking at it from the viewpoint of this ethnic network.

01:02:32.960 Right. So we're going to see the most of that one.

01:02:35.500 If we were peering through the window of an Indian fixer or a Chinese fixer, we would probably see lots of ugly attitudes about non-Indians or non-Chinese.

01:02:44.120 We would probably see a lot of corruption with Chinese names or Indian names. 0.99

01:02:48.020 I don't think that, again, this is necessarily unique to this particular network, but this network does sit at a particular nexus, which is why this ends up being what we are looking for or what we are seeing when we go through the Epstein files.

01:03:04.220 Sinestro says, Oy vey, why is anti-cinematism on the rise?

01:03:08.120 Guys, guys, again, this is not a reflection of Jewish people as a people.

01:03:14.100 Again, these are these are the attitudes of Epstein and the people he's working with.

01:03:18.600 So please remember you're looking at those people and it is their fault.

01:03:22.540 OK, again, there are corrupt people in all of these networks.

01:03:26.380 And that doesn't mean that any given Chinese person is responsible for their behavior.

01:03:30.960 Any given Indian person is in on some kind of conspiracy theory. 1.00

01:03:34.760 I assure you, you know, I am not familiar with everything that got members of Skull and Bones involved themselves with, even if they happen to be wasps.

01:03:43.580 You know, so it's one of those things where, you know, remember, we are talking about the crimes and attitudes of specific people, not the entire group here.

01:03:50.680 Markoz says, it's quite ironic to consider that in the end, the released files show that Putin and Berlusconi were the few half decent guys among the filth.

01:04:03.680 Again, I'm not sure. I haven't really looked at those.

01:04:06.480 Did you see the Berlusconi email?

01:04:08.280 I did not.

01:04:09.500 The Berlusconi email was hilarious.

01:04:11.220 Apparently there was some kind of communication.

01:04:12.860 Epstein invited Silvio Berlusconi, the former prime minister of Italy, who was famous for his bonga-bonga parties and was quite a degenerate himself. 0.97

01:04:24.200 And he said something to the effect that, but the parties that I go to, the girls have a good time and they want to come back.

01:04:33.020 Interesting.

01:04:33.580 And there was no kidnapping.

01:04:35.780 So he's like, yeah, I'm a womanizer, but at least I'm not an abuser.

01:04:39.220 At least I'm not a...

01:04:40.480 Exactly.

01:04:41.480 Exactly.

01:04:41.840 Well, I guess it's like in prison, you know, they always take out the child abuser.

01:04:49.720 It's honor amongst thieves, you know, like I might be bad, but I'm not that guy, you know.

01:04:54.660 Exactly.

01:04:55.180 That's what matters.

01:04:55.840 Exactly.

01:04:57.080 And Nixon says, we Italian-Americans use Megadon and Mully and they aren't neutral terms.

01:05:08.240 All right.

01:05:08.540 Well, I guess those are perhaps slurs.

01:05:10.660 I don't know.

01:05:11.240 I didn't know the first one, the second one I didn't know, but okay.

01:05:15.040 Okay.

01:05:15.580 Well, you know, something new every day on the show.

01:05:19.000 We are an educational experience.

01:05:20.800 That's what is most important.

01:05:23.180 All right, guys.

01:05:23.940 Well, thank you very much for coming on, man.

01:05:25.840 It was fantastic to speak with you.

01:05:27.700 My pleasure.

01:05:27.900 And of course, you should be checking out his work if you are not already and the Lotus Eaters in general. 0.99

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - February 04, 2026

The TRUTH About the Epstein Files ｜ Guest： Firas Modad ｜ 2⧸4⧸26

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