The Auron MacIntyre Show - The Vibe Shift Is Over ｜ Guest： Scott Greer ｜ 6⧸3⧸26

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00:00:26.720 blaze tv.com slash oran to get twenty dollars off today well guys i think we all felt that when

00:00:35.020 donald trump first entered into the presidency his second term there was an incredible amount

00:00:40.080 of momentum something had absolutely shifted a lot of people called it the vibe shift all of a

00:00:45.160 sudden it wasn't just that trump was winning it's that it felt cool to be a part of team trump that

00:00:50.420 for the first time in a long time, you didn't have to worry about losing your job or otherwise

00:00:54.360 being an outcast for your belief that Donald Trump was a good president. However, we have seen

00:01:01.160 recently that the culture seems to be shifting the other direction. One of the big highlights

00:01:06.240 recently has been the attempt to put on the 250th celebration for the country. Obviously,

00:01:12.180 Trump was looking at a couple different celebrations, including a concert. However,

00:01:16.480 many of the people involved fell through, decided they were going to back out, said it had become

00:01:21.360 controversial in some way. And it had that echo of that old feeling. Oh, well, Donald Trump suddenly

00:01:27.220 is someone that people are not willing to be associated in public with. So what happened?

00:01:31.840 How did all that momentum shift in the culture? Joining me to talk about this today is Scott

00:01:37.420 Greer. He's a columnist and has his own podcast. Thank you so much for joining me, Scott.

00:01:42.320 Thanks for having me on.

00:01:44.380 Of course, you wrote a great piece about this.

00:01:46.520 And so I really wanted to dig into it with you because I think we all felt this initially.

00:01:51.140 There was this entry of Trump back into public life.

00:01:56.040 He never really went away, but obviously victorious with kind of that landslide victory

00:02:00.860 the first time in a while that a Republican had won the popular vote.

00:02:04.580 It was clear that there had been some kind of shift.

00:02:08.040 The left felt utterly defeated.

00:02:09.480 they were no longer in a place of necessarily cultural power at that moment however things

00:02:15.900 have changed as you point out on your article you know kind of the most recent highlight of this

00:02:20.380 is this 250th concert you had a bunch of guys who were already kind of washed up nobodies you know

00:02:25.960 they were at best popular 30 maybe 40 years ago in the case of million vanilla one of them's dead

00:02:31.520 and the other one is famous for not singing any of the songs so the fact that all of these people

00:02:37.300 felt it necessary to back away from Trump at this moment means something. So what happened here? We

00:02:43.700 went from Vanity Fair putting MAGA kids in these big, glossy covers saying, even with their

00:02:50.200 headline, oh, it's the cruel people, still they were depicting MAGA as something that was high

00:02:54.280 status and becoming elite. And now we're here. How did we get here? So there's two things going

00:03:00.160 on with Trump's approval or Trump's vibe shift that we have. There's one in the cultural reaction

00:03:06.160 towards it. And then there's the second that's a popular reaction towards it. And some of the

00:03:11.120 reasons that we've seen the vibe shift happen are similar, but with the culture, it's more that he

00:03:17.320 decided to implement the things or try to implement the things that he promised to implement when he

00:03:22.680 campaigned in 2024. So when they first picked, they're like, oh, we're just going to have more

00:03:27.500 of the same in the first term. He's not going to really do any much of anything. He's just going

00:03:32.160 to have MAGA days at the White House or this, that, and the other thing. It would be largely

00:03:37.520 the status quo, maybe with less woke, but we wouldn't have these ICE raids going throughout

00:03:43.420 the country. We wouldn't be having our whole refugee system only be geared towards white

00:03:48.780 South Africans and all these other measures. But in Trump's second term, despite what people think,

00:03:54.260 he has done a lot of things that leftists and liberals are terrified by, are very horrified

00:04:00.140 by and a repulse by. And we could see the popular backlash beginning with the immigration raids is

00:04:06.560 that Joe Rogan turned on Trump last spring over the ICE raids. This is what began. This is what

00:04:13.240 convinced him, Andrew Schultz, and other broadcasters to turn on Trump. And their support of Trump was

00:04:19.180 instrumental in his 2024 victory and had a big impact on getting young people to vote for Trump.

00:04:23.940 And they turned on him over immigration. Now they began having other complaints about Trump,

00:04:28.740 such as the Epstein files, such as his foreign policy. And they certainly did not like the ice

00:04:34.520 shootings. And you can begin to see that the vibe shift was there in place over the ice shootings

00:04:40.420 is now you have mass protests in various cities around the country. You have a lot of celebrities

00:04:46.140 coming out and attacking Trump and returning to the type of vitriol that they were espousing back

00:04:52.780 in the first term, you began to see this cultural backlash towards Trump. And now you also have the

00:04:59.480 problems that are going on with the public, with public disapproval of Trump. He still has a degree

00:05:04.760 of public approval that we would think would be lowered based on what we see in the media,

00:05:11.180 but it is true he doesn't have as much popular approval as he did coming in. I mean, that's a

00:05:16.600 normal part of any president, but it's particularly notable with Trump. Some of it's due to the

00:05:21.200 sluggish economy. And also, of course, the Iran war. The Iran war has not done Trump any favors.

00:05:27.140 But when people, you know, when I suggested this in my article and when I suggest this in

00:05:32.080 posts on X, people are like, it's all the economy, the economy, you know, and some people coming out

00:05:37.720 and acting like the economy is having mass starvation and we're on the verge of bread

00:05:42.340 riots, which, you know, the economy is not in a great state. But in the first term, the economy

00:05:47.500 was was pretty good, was incredible. And there was, you know, Trump got two scoops of ice cream

00:05:54.400 was treated as fascism. And then if people were wearing a MAGA hat out in public, despite the

00:05:59.560 great economy, they risk assault and certainly even losing their job over that. So, you know,

00:06:05.260 we had this very strong cultural push against Trump and the right in the first term when we

00:06:12.480 had a great economy. So the economy doesn't really explain the culture's opposition towards

00:06:18.300 Trump. Now, while this is all happening, it is not resulting in a backlash towards right-wing

00:06:25.700 ideas or the right itself. Now, the right's political fortunes, in my opinion, are tied to

00:06:32.640 Trump in order to get these actions carried out and policies implemented. Right now, your only

00:06:37.960 bet is Trump. There's not really much of an alternative on the right towards Trump at the

00:06:43.540 moment. But the culture, even though it has this massive backlash towards Trump himself,

00:06:48.420 that doesn't mean that the individual person is at risk of the same level of cancel culture that

00:06:55.040 they experienced in the first term for expressing certain ideas. It's still far better for a person

00:06:59.840 to walk around with a MAGA hat than it was in 2018. And you can go on social media where in

00:07:05.500 social media, it's very easy to find very right-wing ideas and right-wing views espoused.

00:07:11.800 While if you're in 2018 and you're saying we should lock up criminals, you might have your

00:07:16.620 Twitter account banned. And even being a Trump supporter, you might have to risk your bank

00:07:21.760 account being taken away from you. We're not seeing on the individual level a person being

00:07:29.060 punished and canceled for right-wing views that we saw in the first term. But it's more that the

00:07:33.760 culture isn't enthusiastic about Trump and MAGA like they were in late 2024 and early 2025.

00:07:43.400 Yeah, I think the distinction you make there at the end is important for people to remember.

00:07:48.380 I think there is most certainly a cooling effect that has happened on kind of the Trump

00:07:53.440 enthusiasm inside the culture. But the idea that things are any worse than they were even during

00:07:59.840 his first term, or obviously the Biden administration is pretty foolish. As you say,

00:08:05.060 there's a scenario where you had people losing their jobs, news stations, hunting people down,

00:08:13.300 the idea that you would easily lose bank accounts and employment and all of these other things,

00:08:18.560 social relationships. This was very common and people had to be very closeted Trump supporters,

00:08:23.260 even when he was in office the fact that now there is at least a very minimum a normalization

00:08:30.600 of Trump and Trump supporters you know to the point where someone might not like them but they

00:08:34.600 no longer see them as some kind of untouchable uh you know that has to be purged from society

00:08:39.100 that might change uh when the left comes back into power but at the very least at this moment

00:08:43.380 uh that's not the case and so I think you it can be dangerous to overstate that scenario but I do

00:08:49.460 want to draw through that timeline a little bit because one of the interesting things you allude

00:08:54.400 to in the piece is that it might not be possible for the right to win the culture or as we

00:09:01.860 understand it now the right has put a lot of focus after kind of the Breitbart maximum that has come

00:09:09.440 out of you know that politics is downstream from culture thinking okay well the key is we've

00:09:14.240 ignored the culture for this long and we need to go after this we need to build our own uh you know

00:09:18.940 our own TV studios, our own movie studios. We need to get right-wing art out there. We need to

00:09:24.200 impact culture this way. And I think there's still a decent amount of truth to that. But the idea

00:09:29.440 that this would be a simple line from cultural obscurity to dominance by the right obviously

00:09:35.980 hasn't occurred. When Trump first came into power, he was somebody who was, I think, moving fast and

00:09:44.060 breaking things so i feel like he was doing things initially that already were kind of pushing the

00:09:51.260 boundaries for what the left would have believed i do agree with you that there were a number of

00:09:56.420 podcast bros that kind of turned on him after the uh you know uh kind of ice raids began though i

00:10:03.340 think that probably i'm trying to make sure i have the timeline in my head but i think the initial

00:10:09.180 pan-bondy release of the epstein files came before those really became contentious now obviously

00:10:15.440 more came down and the epstein files became a sore and sore uh kind of spot for the trump

00:10:20.340 administration with its uh you know the people outside of its base but i feel like momentum was

00:10:26.220 already kind of starting to build as a possible backlash i guess the way i and the way it kind of

00:10:32.240 formulated in my mind for the first few trump's the first few months when trump came into power

00:10:38.180 the left really had no handholds. They were desperately trying to figure out some way to

00:10:42.560 oppose Trump, and they just could not find it. They could not get any traction. And then when

00:10:48.040 you had the Epstein files kind of get fumbled a little bit, that became the first crack in the

00:10:52.900 armor. Then you start to see the different celebrities give permission to push back

00:10:59.140 against Trump after the ICE stuff. And I really think another big thing in there was the assassination

00:11:05.080 of charlie kirk now this is obviously something that the trump administration could in no way

00:11:09.040 control uh but i think that was actually a pretty big cultural hit to see that shocking loss and i

00:11:16.840 don't know if it's the just the loss itself uh the fact that the charlie kirk was important to

00:11:23.420 holding the coalition together in some way or it was also just not seeing a serious follow-up that

00:11:31.040 was going to i don't know put people on their heels who might try this again i think i think

00:11:36.640 that the error of invulnerability that trump had had in those you know first couple months with all

00:11:42.820 of that momentum that was the first time that it really seemed to uh take a significant hit and

00:11:48.680 from there obviously the other uh instances you talked about the iran war everything else the

00:11:53.620 shootings all those things just kind of added on to that do you think that the you know charlie

00:11:58.700 kirk shooting and and you know that kind of momentum uh was arrested in some way there or

00:12:03.320 do you think it really was just trump doing the deportations he promised well the epstein files

00:12:08.820 is beginning i mean there was that i think it was in february where they gave the binders out in

00:12:13.100 march but that was more of a thing that was concerned of rumble influencers at the time

00:12:17.860 less so than the brocasters the brocasters when he went down to la and they were having the riots

00:12:23.620 over that. And if I'm not mistaken, Rogan was already complaining about this in March,

00:12:28.740 about the immigration raids and what ICE is doing. And then that followed with the broadcasters. And

00:12:33.620 then that built up with the real outburst of outrage over Epstein files happened in July,

00:12:39.440 in the summer, where there was still that concern over Elon Musk saying, you know, when he had his

00:12:46.280 breakup with Trump saying that Trump is in the Epstein files. But then when they had their

00:12:50.580 announcement and i believe it was late june or july they were saying that's when the culture

00:12:55.660 erupted that's when people got really mad about it and at the beginning i mean everyone there was

00:13:00.640 a lot of social media mockery of the binders and people that handing it out but that really hadn't

00:13:06.540 been the main issue for broadcasters at that time and then the broke but then in the summer then

00:13:12.500 they got onto when it comes to charlie kirk shooting i mean that was more of a culture at

00:13:17.240 you know, the immediate aftermath of that, that was a cultural win for the right. I don't want

00:13:22.920 to say it's a cultural win because that's, you know, that's trivializing the murder, but

00:13:26.280 there was a, there was a mass amount of goodwill for the right after Charlie Kirk slaying. It's

00:13:33.620 that look at what the left, left-wing violence does. Look at them killing this nice person who

00:13:39.520 is just out having a conversation with college students. And you even saw someone like Ezra Klein

00:13:44.680 having sympathy for Charlie Kirk. So there's this outpouring of goodwill over Kirk. In terms of the

00:13:54.040 admin follow-up, I don't think that the admin would have been doing any goodwill favors if

00:13:58.800 they're just having a mass roundup of Democrats and leftists over Charlie Kirk jokes. We were

00:14:05.680 also getting people fired from their job for joking about Charlie Kirk's murder or celebrating

00:14:10.860 it. There was dozens of people fired over that, which demonstrated a lot of cultural power of the

00:14:16.240 right. And not a lot of people were wanting to defend these types who were defending Charlie

00:14:21.240 Kirk's murder or making light of it immediately afterwards. So it was showing the right's ability

00:14:29.780 to have influence within the culture. I think it's more that the right itself dropped the ball,

00:14:34.740 not so much in its follow-up of not having mass arrests of that sort. I mean, the Trump

00:14:39.880 administration has prioritized anti-terrorism. They're now, instead of in the past where the

00:14:45.400 DOJ and FBI would try to find some idiots, whether they would have been maybe Islamists or white

00:14:52.160 nationalists and said, hey, why don't you go blow up a federal building? And then they're like, okay.

00:14:56.740 And then obviously it's the federal informant who's the one orchestrating this. They're now

00:15:01.320 doing this with leftists. And there's been multiple cases of that. There is also a bunch of leftists

00:15:05.540 who are arrested for trying to plot a terror attack

00:15:08.520 against, I believe, an ICE facility in Texas.

00:15:11.340 So they're focusing a lot more on Antifa

00:15:13.960 and the guy who shot and killed Charlie Kirk

00:15:17.160 is up for the death penalty.

00:15:19.100 So it's not so much that they're dropping the ball on that.

00:15:21.820 And if we're worried about what the culture might think of it,

00:15:25.460 then if we're arresting numerous people

00:15:29.060 for joking about Charlie Kirk's murder,

00:15:30.940 I don't think that would have been a popular way

00:15:32.740 of going about it.

00:15:33.620 But I think it's more that how the right approaches Charlie Kirk's murder and in general, the social media culture itself.

00:15:40.240 Making light of Charlie Kirk's death is now insanely common on TikTok and Instagram.

00:15:46.880 It's now that, you know, the sound effects from this from the shooting are now played in lighthearted videos on TikTok and Instagram.

00:15:55.480 You're seeing Charlie Kirk become this comical figure who's out having a barbecue with Diddy and Jeffrey Epstein for some reason, are going on these adventures with them.

00:16:07.220 And so he himself has become a meme, which it's very different from the way he was treated in September.

00:16:15.360 now it's just this person who we throw into meme videos with with jeffrey epstein and diddy

00:16:21.580 that's a comical figure which i don't think that's the right's fault that's just now how

00:16:26.960 the culture is approaching it and how that came about i'm not sure why maybe it's because i think

00:16:31.980 it's zoomers have this type of cynicism and nihilism and wanting to challenge and dethrone

00:16:38.960 any type of sacred cows there are and they feel that this is one of the ways to do so

00:16:43.080 which that comes into good that can be used for good because it undermines a lot of the left wing

00:16:48.640 things that the culture tries to impose on them and they want to challenge that but at the same

00:16:53.820 time they then make light of um of charlie kirk's murder but for the rest of the right i mean

00:16:59.080 a lot of our most popular content is trying to find out um you know how tp usa egypt israel

00:17:07.800 time traveling Sumerian space aliens and stuff were involved in this. And that's like a lot of

00:17:14.400 the theories. And so it's used within the right. It's more of a cause for friction and civil war

00:17:20.720 among ourselves than it is a cause for unity. And so, but when you witness that time period,

00:17:28.320 it was a massive outpouring of sympathy for the right, a lot of support for right. A lot of people

00:17:33.860 were like, we want to get involved. We're wanting to do this, but I guess we didn't direct it in

00:17:39.180 the right way or the right decided that it was better to come up with conspiracy theories over

00:17:46.340 it. And then the culture moved on. The culture is now in a very different state on how it treats

00:17:52.160 Kirk's death compared to last September. Yeah, I guess I hear what you're saying,

00:17:59.140 but i think uh it it evolved a little differently i mean i was i agree that there was a general

00:18:04.720 you know left kind of having to say i feel bad that charlie kirk got shot out of one side of

00:18:09.860 their face for a couple weeks but almost all of those people by the end of the month were back

00:18:13.620 calling charlie kirk a fascist and you know me and benny johnson did our best to try to get uh

00:18:19.120 jimmy kimmel fired we got him suspended for you know three days and he was back on the air without

00:18:23.700 apology uh so i think that um actually if anything that was a demonstration that was probably the

00:18:30.900 first demonstration of how thin the rights cultural power was actually at that moment

00:18:35.700 it wasn't able to secure any of the cultural victories all of its attempts to flex cultural

00:18:41.460 power uh kind of you know ended up nowhere i remember going to uh different uh rallies for

00:18:50.480 Charlie Kirk's death locally after, you know, and there were hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

00:18:54.920 young people there. Hundreds of people started showing up to church services. You know, it felt

00:18:59.940 like there was a revival of some kind in the air that, you know, this had meant something deeper

00:19:03.760 and more spiritual. And then, as you say, a few weeks later, it all just kind of dissipated.

00:19:09.260 And so I guess, you know, the question becomes, is the culture just something the right can't win

00:19:14.840 at all? I mean, if the Trump administration is just doing everything it's promised and doing it

00:19:19.240 well and has you know there's no issues there and we still can't win the culture and we're still

00:19:24.300 getting completely mauled on this is it a waste of time to try to impact the culture is the culture

00:19:28.700 something that's simply unassailable by conservatives or was there a path that could

00:19:33.680 have been taken that would have you know uh continued that momentum and built the cultural

00:19:37.700 power that felt like it was there at the beginning of the administration well jimmy kimmel i mean

00:19:42.280 most of the public there was a cultural backlash in favor of jimmy kimmel and it was us trying to

00:19:47.240 use the government to intimidate ABC into taking him off the air. And that was not a very popular

00:19:53.740 move. And it's also Jimmy Kimmel. Late night TV is far less important now than it was even in the

00:19:59.880 first term. I mean, Stephen Colbert is off the air. That's a major cultural win for the right,

00:20:07.280 but fewer people are watching this. And Kimmel only was able to get high ratings after he came

00:20:12.340 back because there's all this sympathy for him. Really what the culture hates is censorship at

00:20:17.160 this moment. And that's usually a benefit for us. And even though the left is very asinine for the

00:20:23.560 left to be like, oh, right wing cancel culture is just as worse. That's total BS. That's not true

00:20:28.900 at all. But when even within our culture, when we seem to be using government power to try to

00:20:34.820 suppress Jimmy Kimmel over a joke, which I mean, it was fine if we I'm not upset about it, but I

00:20:40.820 you think it was going to not have the intended effect we imagined. And right now we have our

00:20:45.300 own side going off on these completely idiotic in many ways, heinous theories that are trying

00:20:52.060 to implicate Charlie Kirk's best friends, Charlie Kirk's wife in the murder and saying far worse

00:20:57.560 things about Kirk and his family and TPSA than Jimmy Kimmel and any of these leftists said when

00:21:03.720 he got shot. And we were wanting to get those people fired and taken off the air. But now

00:21:08.400 When our own side is wondering about these things, you know, making up complete nonsense about Charlie Kirk, we're just like, well, oh, well, you know, that's a lot of the opinions there.

00:21:19.220 So a lot of this is coming from our own side.

00:21:21.200 I think even with our theories and other things, it's much more damaging to Kirk's reputation than, you know, some leftist who works at Starbucks making fun of his death.

00:21:32.060 I think that has more impact.

00:21:33.600 But even as I said, we were still able to get that Starbucks cashier fired for making fun of Charlie Kirk.

00:21:41.520 And that was something that we could have never done in the first term.

00:21:44.900 Because there was all these attempts.

00:21:46.980 There was all these people who were calling for Trump's death, calling for Trump's murder.

00:21:51.700 And when we try to have some backlash towards that in the first term, that never worked.

00:21:56.080 I remember there was one woman, I think she was some type of like adjunct professor or lecturer who was mocking Barbara Bush's death.

00:22:04.960 And it's like, why would you mock Barbara Bush's death?

00:22:07.440 And she had some backlash towards her.

00:22:10.060 And then the media turned her into this sympathetic figure that we all had to come around and support.

00:22:17.120 And that was like the first term.

00:22:18.240 But we began to see this change when Trump was nearly killed during the campaign, and we were able to get ordinary people fired from their jobs over that.

00:22:29.540 There was people upset about that or were like, that's wrong to do.

00:22:33.360 But we did it anyway.

00:22:34.480 And with Kirk, a year later, there was not much backlash towards us doing this now.

00:22:40.300 But on the matter of culture, it just depends on what you mean by culture.

00:22:45.460 The culture is very different from how we imagine it growing up, as the culture is much

00:22:49.920 more decentralized, much more vulcanized, and less controlled by these institutions.

00:22:54.360 People, in terms of their cultural consumption, they are interacting with memes, short clips,

00:23:00.580 much more than they are interacting with TV shows, new music, and movies.

00:23:05.180 Zoomers aren't watching movies at all, and they're not watching network TV shows at all.

00:23:08.800 They're watching some random clip or stream that they're seeing on TikTok or reels.

00:23:13.360 And a lot of that stuff is much more right wing than anything Hollywood could produce.

00:23:18.240 And we're still having this old model that the way to impact the culture is to ensure we have a big Hollywood blockbuster that everyone goes sees.

00:23:25.180 The issue is, is now not that many people go and see the blockbuster and they're not watching this TV show that everyone says you've got to watch.

00:23:34.040 You know, the only thing that we can bring the common culture together is to watch the NFL and the Super Bowl, which as we're seeing with some of the pride logos they're going with.

00:23:43.180 uh they haven't gotten the memo that uh peak woke is over but that's uh maybe we'll cover that later

00:23:48.880 on the show but for most people their cultural consumption is memes and these short clip video

00:23:54.960 these short clips and these streamers and that's a much more uh we'll say pro free speech right

00:24:02.400 leaning way of culture of culture that they're getting than in previous uh the previous culture

00:24:09.060 they were receiving under the old monoculture.

00:24:10.920 The old monoculture is gone,

00:24:12.400 but a lot of times we still want that.

00:24:14.080 We're like, well, we want to create good music

00:24:16.120 and good movies and shows that have conservative themes.

00:24:19.940 And well, that's great if we can do so,

00:24:21.900 but a lot of the attempts haven't worked.

00:24:24.220 Now, some of the reasons the attempts haven't worked

00:24:25.840 is we don't have the distribution network

00:24:27.480 of Amazon Prime or Netflix,

00:24:29.780 and people aren't going to go to these smaller competitors

00:24:32.920 to go out of their way to purchase these cultural items.

00:24:37.140 But, you know, some of the reason is that. But it's also in terms of cultural consumption and especially among young people, they're not they're not listening to, you know, are well, they are listening to music, but they're not watching the latest network TV shows and they're not going to see the new movies.

00:24:54.280 I mean, a lot of this stuff is for older people. And so with what culture they're interacting with or what media they're consuming, it's much more open minded, we'll say, than the past monoculture was.

00:25:07.540 So they're getting a lot more views that they were there. But if people want to pursue culture, that's their that's their goal.

00:25:14.140 But I think we still have this idea that we want to do a big conservative-themed blockbuster.

00:25:19.780 But the culture as it works today, it's not so necessary to do so to win over political battles.

00:25:27.500 I mean, I largely agree with that.

00:25:29.980 This is a big frustration of mine.

00:25:32.040 It feels like the World War I generals running around in soft caps on horseback after we have machine guns and tanks.

00:25:42.020 we are trying to fight the last war oh we figured out we need to fight a culture war and now we're

00:25:46.800 going to fight it like we did in the 1960s oh wait that that's radically shifted that war is over and

00:25:52.480 there's a different way to fight that and so ironically the things the right was winning on

00:25:57.920 which was like digital culture you know many of these uh you know the the disintermediation of

00:26:03.200 culture the fact that all of these sources are fragmenting this was the you know the power of

00:26:07.500 the right and instead of leaning into that the right is like well now that we got some power

00:26:12.060 on the internet we should go and do it in the real stuff you know all the things we were told

00:26:16.880 that were prestigious by our enemies so we need to start a new newspaper and we need to have a

00:26:22.440 new blockbuster movie and all the things that are failing right now all the mediums that are

00:26:27.140 absolutely disastrous for the people who have owned those mediums for you know many many decades

00:26:31.880 You know, if Disney can't put out a profitable blockbuster, why would you, you know, you know, and in many ways, actually funny enough to kind of contrast that the two biggest movies right now out are indie horror films.

00:26:44.500 They're crushing the the big blockbuster films.

00:26:47.660 And so even in the movie industry, we're seeing that the old model doesn't work, but that's the one that conservatives are chasing.

00:26:53.180 At the same time, while I agree that that is probably the right way to look at that, focus on the media distribution you're winning, the cutting edge where you're actually opening up those spaces, the problem is that that creates many of the things that you're kind of complaining about with the podcasters, right?

00:27:11.040 The fact that you've disintermediated these mediums means that you can't control people.

00:27:16.400 It doesn't matter if Candace Bowens is out there saying the most insane thing in the

00:27:19.000 world.

00:27:19.300 If she takes half the right wing audience with her, you can't do anything about it because

00:27:23.000 you don't have a Fox News or something that can discipline its talent and ultimately control

00:27:28.280 the narrative.

00:27:29.440 And so you're going to have all of these.

00:27:31.320 If you have a problem with the Rumble podcaster, then the strategy you're talking about is

00:27:36.500 only going to exacerbate that problem, not shrink it.

00:27:38.940 And so I think perhaps there is some level of, well, the only way out is kind of through on that. These institutions lost their credibility for a reason, and you're just going to have to suffer through some insane people talking about how space aliens from Egypt shot Charlie Kirk.

00:27:52.980 but you know if that is your concern then the digital strategy itself lends itself to this

00:27:59.420 kind of fracturing and you know people being irresponsible because they don't have a network

00:28:05.000 they don't have a career they don't have something that binds them to a more responsible narrative

00:28:10.060 and so they're going to go out there branch out and we're going to see the kind of infighting the

00:28:14.740 the fracturing that occurs once something like a Charlie Kirk event takes place yeah exactly no I

00:28:21.060 i would fully admit that this is uh that the fracturing comes with its own problems like

00:28:25.940 the old common culture had its problems and its pluses and minuses the new culture the new media

00:28:32.340 environment has its pluses and minuses and one of the things that people love uh especially zoomers

00:28:37.620 is conspiracy theories and this is the new media market i mean this this comes with the territory

00:28:42.740 but the only way is through so you have these positives you have these negatives but it also

00:28:46.740 makes it harder when you have a serious political event or a serious tragedy like charlie kirk to

00:28:51.780 get people to to treat it with the level of gravity that you would want if the if the charlie

00:28:57.620 kirk assassination had happened say in 2005 it would have been treated with the same level of

00:29:04.980 gravity and that it deserved but the problem is you would also begin to see if it was the media

00:29:11.300 controlling narrative we could be seeing the level of treatment of it as what we're seeing in the

00:29:16.580 the uk with henry novak's murder where it's like well we can't politicize this how dare you

00:29:22.420 politicize this and even if charlie kirk's family was out there politicizing they're like how dare

00:29:27.260 they politicize this this was an accident you know they as we're seeing within the uk where

00:29:31.940 there's far more censorship where they the government can still wield that control over

00:29:37.000 the media environment in a way that they can't in the united states they're trying to impose that

00:29:41.700 with Henry Novak's murder and like saying,

00:29:44.260 oh, well, you've got, we can't politicize this.

00:29:47.660 This is like a tree branch fell on him.

00:29:49.440 That's what they weigh,

00:29:50.720 they want the public to think

00:29:51.880 that he had some tragic accident

00:29:53.720 and that no one's responsible for this

00:29:56.460 except for racists who try to politicize that.

00:29:59.160 So that's one of the big problems

00:30:01.040 of the old media environment.

00:30:02.180 And I saw this countless times in the 2010s

00:30:05.020 and when the baseball shooting happened,

00:30:07.300 the congressional baseball shooting happened,

00:30:08.820 you know, the media was like,

00:30:10.200 how dare anyone politicize this? And a lot of Republicans being idiots, they went along with

00:30:15.600 it. They're like, this is the dangers of people politicizing things. I remember there was a

00:30:20.560 Republican congressman who found a bullet in his athletic bag, and he pulled it out. And he was

00:30:25.460 like, this is the problems of political violence. They're like, that's so true. We need to tone

00:30:29.240 down things. And then a week later, the media went back to saying Republicans are trying to

00:30:34.540 kill old people by repealing Obamacare. So thankfully, with the new media environment,

00:30:39.660 they can't impose that type of controls that they're still trying to impose in Europe.

00:30:44.340 And they tried to impose in the 2010s, 2000s and 90s. So that's one of the benefits. But there

00:30:49.800 does come from some downsides. But I prefer the new media environment over the old one because

00:30:55.980 we're now more able to discuss serious issues and issues that they would have said, this is

00:31:02.100 bigoted to talk about. We can't talk about. This is offensive. But it also comes out with some

00:31:06.280 issues that maybe we shouldn't. Maybe it'd be better if people didn't talk about it. But it's

00:31:11.560 more democratic. People can choose what they want to listen to and what opinions they want to hear.

00:31:17.000 And unlike in the past where these were the only opinions they had, these were the only thoughts

00:31:22.220 they were allowed to think. And now they're given more freedom. But people maybe haven't been used

00:31:28.880 to that freedom. Maybe they don't choose so wisely, but it's up to the people to decide.

00:31:34.240 But I think it's still mostly a positive thing for us. It does come with its obvious downsides,

00:31:39.140 but it's a better situation than we have before. But it's still worth even when it comes out with

00:31:44.280 a situation about Charlie Kirk when we're trying to assess what went wrong there. We have to be

00:31:49.400 honest about that, about what went wrong there. And it's not just the podcasters. It's just also,

00:31:55.140 So I don't I think it's harder to get this culture independent of the podcasters, independent of the right to take things with a level of seriousness and gravity that they deserve.

00:32:04.220 I mean, even if we had something like 9-11 happen today, which, you know, that was obviously we both remember that.

00:32:11.180 And we remember the type of seriousness that was treated and how people were so devastated for about it for years afterwards.

00:32:18.240 We would probably be seeing people make memes about it a month after and it being widely shared and viral.

00:32:24.580 and people would be making, you know, these edgy jokes about it and be like all over social media.

00:32:30.180 I think that would even be the case today. It's hard to get this culture to take things

00:32:35.800 with a level of seriousness that they deserve. And so that's one of the downsides, even though

00:32:40.180 overall, when weighing everything in balance, it's better for us.

00:32:44.620 So what lessons can the Trump administration learn here? Because in many ways, the disintermediation,

00:32:51.380 the fracturing of the free speech, the irreverent nature of the new media environment benefited

00:32:58.680 Trump. Obviously, this was in many ways, you know, the me magic meme, you know, sometimes

00:33:03.860 probably taking more credit for Trump's victory than is true. But, you know, there is a truth to

00:33:09.540 this, that ultimately the new media environment broke open an ability for Trump to interact with

00:33:14.920 people, to engage with topics that could not be touched previously. These were all big advantages

00:33:20.420 for trump when he was on the outside you know looking in the fact that this was uh you know

00:33:25.420 this is this is a paradigm that is very good at dismantling establishments and uh and challenging

00:33:31.280 power uh but when you're in power obviously uh this makes message discipline functionally

00:33:37.480 impossible like you can deliver all the lectures you want to young women listening to uh candace

00:33:43.020 owens podcast like it's some kind of uh you know a true crime you know science fiction thriller

00:33:48.600 But ultimately, you're not going to lecture these people back into watching Fox News or listening to, you know, Dennis Prager or something like that. That's just not going to happen. And so what approach should the Trump administration be taking to messaging if media discipline is out the window?

00:34:07.100 If there is just no longer an option for that, then what do you do?

00:34:12.240 Because obviously Trump has gone to war with Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, MTG, all these people publicly.

00:34:19.280 He has challenged them.

00:34:22.160 You have the admin telling people that they need to stop talking about this or focusing on other things.

00:34:29.460 Oh, why are we talking about this talking point or that talking point?

00:34:34.260 That moment is gone.

00:34:35.800 The moment where you're just going to hand some guy a sheet of talking points and get it back to you on Meet the Press is just never going to come for the right.

00:34:43.740 And so what should be the messaging strategy when classical notions of media discipline are completely off the board at this point?

00:34:52.820 Well, I think one thing is the admin became too heavily enmeshed into the new media environment.

00:34:57.720 It was turning all these official government accounts into meme pages, which I don't think was the wisest decision.

00:35:03.120 And some people were so excited about this. They're like, Oh my God, this is so awesome.

00:35:06.940 But then everyone was, uh, pretty much, uh, tired of this stuff like a year later. Uh, I mean,

00:35:13.060 there's even this new one. I think it's, uh, forgive us the department of energy or one of

00:35:17.440 the departments that tweeted out something about Cole Island, uh, like as a new dating show joke.

00:35:23.340 And it's like, everyone's making fun of it. I think that's, it's time to stop relying on the

00:35:28.980 trying to be new media environment with your pages and then focus on the real issues that

00:35:34.160 matter to Americans. I think there's still that influence with it. It just has to be smart with

00:35:38.680 what they're taking with new media environment. And I think that's what made some of the anger

00:35:43.600 over the administration, turning all these government pages into meme pages. And then it

00:35:49.360 was looking like it's poster occupied government. And then when they do stupid decisions or things

00:35:55.460 that people don't like, then, you know, there's that sense of betrayal. It leaned too heavily on

00:36:00.480 it and they couldn't figure out a way to focus on actual concerns and actually making America

00:36:06.380 better in a lot of cases. And there, but with the admin, they've now turned into more of the

00:36:11.800 Fox News bubble, which Fox News represents a lot of the base and it's more of the base opinion

00:36:17.240 than maybe a lot of people on Rumble. But at the same time, that's not independent voters. That's

00:36:24.180 not enough voters for you to win elections. And so there's still things that they have to do to

00:36:29.100 pay attention to independent voters, which even a lot of the broadcasters still represent some

00:36:34.760 constituency out there, even though some of their concerns we probably shouldn't take aside and

00:36:39.980 ignore, such as their concerns over immigration raids and ICE stuff. That's just something we

00:36:44.320 have to ignore public outrage over because this is about the future of our country. And it doesn't

00:36:49.320 matter what polls say. It doesn't matter about public approval. This is necessary for our

00:36:53.160 country's future and for us to have the rule of law and for what we want as a great American state.

00:36:59.080 We can't allow all these millions of illegals to stay here. We can't allow for us to be the

00:37:04.480 dumping ground of the world anymore. And regardless of public opinion, we're going to go ahead and do

00:37:08.700 this. But that aside is all the things about we have to keep a good economy. We can't be

00:37:14.500 messing around with the economy, doing arbitrary things that upend the market or make people

00:37:21.520 uncertain about the economy or lower consumer confidence. There's things about that. And it's

00:37:25.400 also obviously with the Iran war that we have to put an end to that. I think a lot of the new media

00:37:32.600 environment, the right-wing media environment is not going to return to Trump afterwards,

00:37:36.520 but enough voters, once they see gas prices come down, once they see the economy stabilize,

00:37:41.260 once these concerns are taken away, I think that they'll return to the fold and that they can have

00:37:48.700 a decent midterm output. So with, in terms of media environment, I think that they just got

00:37:54.120 to resist both bubbles. They can't get into a totally new media environment bubble, even though

00:37:59.320 a lot of that advice is necessary because they're going to bring up issues that Fox News and Talk

00:38:03.920 Radio are not going to bring up and certainly not the mainstream media, but they can't be,

00:38:08.680 you know, having, trying to turn the government into poster occupation government while doing

00:38:13.600 things completely differently. At the same time, they can't be stuck in completely in a Fox News

00:38:18.280 bubble where they think that everything they're doing is awesome that there's 90 approval for the

00:38:23.100 iran war which if you watch uh fox news you might think that there's 90 approval um you can't get

00:38:31.060 into that i was told very very aggressively that that was absolutely an accurate poll and very

00:38:36.360 representative of public opinion i had that screamed at me at least a thousand times on twitter

00:38:40.640 yeah which poll uh the 90 95 percent was like trump republicans mega republicans which i think

00:38:49.280 that's just whatever trump does they're going to support i mean most of the republican base is for

00:38:55.000 it but a lot of the moderate republicans are people who are not fully republican or not favorite

00:39:00.940 and of course a lot of independents who helped trump win the election are not fond of it so

00:39:06.160 So but then they took the 90 percent MAGA Republicans to imagine it's 90 percent of of every Trump supporters for it, which I don't think that's the case, our Trump voter.

00:39:17.520 So, yeah, you there's there's just a thing that they can't be too stuck in the media bubble and they have to for to use a cliche, they might need to touch grass both outside of the Fox News studio and the new media environment and and address these issues while taking into consideration.

00:39:36.160 a lot of things for the new media environment that brings up about the future of a nation,

00:39:40.580 about issues that have been overlooked and ignored because they were too controversial to take on.

00:39:47.140 But the administration is taking on a lot of these issues. I mean, the administration is

00:39:51.440 significantly reducing legal immigration much more than any administration has done in recent

00:39:56.480 memory. And they're doing that quietly without much popular backlash because with the public,

00:40:02.620 As long as there's not guys in masks going around arresting illegal immigrants, even if these guys are murderers and pedophiles and rapists, there's not going to be any public backlash towards it.

00:40:14.060 But I still think even with the ICE raids and immigration raids, regardless of public opinion you need to do, you just have to ensure that everything else is going well.

00:40:21.720 If the economy is going well, people aren't going to care about mass ICE agents going around picking up rapists, murderers, and pedophiles.

00:40:28.940 And it's the same with if we're not having this war in the Middle East that no one's quite sure why we're involved in and why it's jacking up gas prices.

00:40:38.880 If you don't have those issues, you're also allow us to go on these ice raids and to make America a great country again.

00:40:45.720 well then let's talk about that because you've mentioned several times that the iran war while

00:40:50.960 not the impetus for some of the fracturing in the support for trump or the cultural loss uh

00:40:57.900 ultimately i think was the the uh one of the events that has been most exacerbating that issue

00:41:04.520 here recently obviously even if you don't care about the foreign adventurism itself the gas

00:41:09.420 prices alone are enough to drive a lot of people that's a daily reminder you know they may not pay

00:41:15.160 attention to the news, but they all have to fill the gas tank. And so that's a daily reminder that

00:41:20.260 something is wrong and something is not going their direction. It's very clear to me at this

00:41:25.420 point that Trump really recognizes the need to get out of Iran. If he wanted to stay there,

00:41:32.980 they've given him about a thousand reasons why he couldn't have an excuse to go back in.

00:41:38.020 They've basically broken the ceasefire every day. And Trump has largely ignored that because he just

00:41:43.940 needs to get the deal done and get home, which I appreciate. The largest level of contention I've

00:41:49.520 had with the Trump administration at all has been the war, and I would just like it to be over so

00:41:53.640 we can focus on the many accomplishments that you are talking about there, but I don't think we can

00:41:58.400 until we get out. One of the issues that seems to continually be locking Trump into this

00:42:04.480 is Bibi Netanyahu and the interest in continuing a war in Lebanon and expanding. It seems that the

00:42:11.360 united states is having difficulty extricating itself mostly from the conflict because of that

00:42:16.840 uh you know they could probably figure out a way to get the the straight uh at least running

00:42:21.480 normally uh if you know they could rein in some of israel's actions but as long as uh that that

00:42:27.880 continues it seems like netanyahu is really sprinting towards the finish to get as much done

00:42:32.460 before a peace deal uh is declared at the end here and that keeps uh kind of mucking up uh the

00:42:38.960 works. We've all seen the Axios report about Trump cursing out Netanyahu. A lot of people

00:42:44.720 question that. Understandably, it is Axios, but Trump has now confirmed that he did have that

00:42:49.360 phone call. So if you believe Trump at all, then that thing happened. Where are we at? Are we able

00:42:54.940 to get out of Iran? Is that something that we can do? Is the constant pressure from Israel an issue?

00:43:03.240 is the fact that Iran, you know, kind of recognizes its position and is willing to

00:43:08.380 go out and violate the ceasefires. Is that going to ultimately muck this up? Or do you think Trump

00:43:13.020 will actually be able to get himself out of this in time to recover for the midterms?

00:43:18.700 Well, in time enough to recover for the midterms, we'll have to see when the peace deal is going to

00:43:22.780 I think a big issue. Yeah. I mean, I've been saying on my podcast, he needed it done by the

00:43:28.080 end of May. So I think this carries on to July 4th. Even if Milli Vanilli returns back to the

00:43:37.320 Great American State Fair, I don't think that'll be enough to save him in the midterm. But I think

00:43:41.840 they'll get a peace deal soon enough that they can offset some of the negative effects of it

00:43:46.080 for the midterms. I think gas prices will go down enough to make it happen. I think the fact that

00:43:51.460 he's wanting to make this public break with Netanyahu, it's not just merely him leaking this

00:43:56.040 the press. It's him wanting to tell the press himself that he said this. And that's pissing

00:44:00.820 off a lot of those elements necessarily so that are wanting to continue the war. And there's other

00:44:06.940 problems that they're having to face is that there's these IRGC hardliners in Iran that the

00:44:12.940 people were negotiating with Iran might not have control over, that they might want to do their

00:44:16.780 own thing. There's a lot of different issues there, but I think that they're going to come

00:44:21.260 to a deal soon enough to offset the negative effects, or offset a lot of the negative effects

00:44:27.280 for this war. But yeah, the war was a mistake. I think it's hard to say it was a good idea.

00:44:34.180 And it's been, and it has been the real thing that has just plummeted Trump's popular approval.

00:44:41.320 And the administration has done a terrible job in articulating why we're there. I mean,

00:44:47.260 the only reason they could come up with is like, well, Israel is going to do this anyway. So we

00:44:50.880 joined in that's that's a terrible reason to have a war and then they're like we got to stay the

00:44:57.580 course and then you know he's had comments telling kids that like iran would have killed you by now

00:45:03.100 if we didn't go in and you know and then they'll say like we had to sink their navy i don't think

00:45:07.860 anyone cared about iran's navy before uh march 1st so you know this war has been a mistake he

00:45:15.180 thought he could go in top of the government easily with an assassination and then you know

00:45:19.580 make a better deal with them.

00:45:20.620 That turned out to not be the case.

00:45:22.240 And we've been needing to get out ever since.

00:45:24.820 But I think he is going to get a deal soon enough that will offset the

00:45:29.400 negative effects.

00:45:30.100 We hope,

00:45:30.940 we hope so.

00:45:31.520 I mean,

00:45:31.880 it's too early to tell,

00:45:34.640 you know,

00:45:35.120 even if they get a piece deal like next week or so,

00:45:38.020 or maybe even this week,

00:45:40.320 it might not be there still,

00:45:43.320 that might not still be enough to offset these negative effects.

00:45:46.260 We're going to have for the midterms,

00:45:47.460 but we can hope so.

00:45:48.700 Because at the end of the day, some people are like, well, if Republicans get shellacked in the midterms, then that will convince them to be more right wing. It's more likely that just Republicans are going to slog on to 2028, get defeated, and it's going to usher in a Democratic powerful coalition for 2029, which I don't think that's in anyone's interest on the right.

00:46:16.400 yeah i mean i britain took the acceleration option you know they they no seats their

00:46:22.780 conservative party in the hopes of making them more based and that absolutely did not happen

00:46:28.240 uh and it's now spun up two rival parties maybe one of them will ultimately take power i pray they

00:46:33.220 will i hope that literally anyone uh will take power in in england and do something useful with

00:46:38.600 it but you can see that this plan of like well you know we'll just punish our own guys and they'll

00:46:43.540 get it uh and then we'll we'll fix this actually you know you'll probably just end up with a lot

00:46:47.620 more people stabbed by you know ceremonial swords uh while the police handcuff them uh so uh you

00:46:53.060 know as paul gottfried said uh you know worse is worse uh and so it's probably wise uh to avoid

00:46:59.700 worse if you can uh there is there you know as everyone's favorite example has become there are

00:47:04.900 still libtards in south africa and uh no no amount of terrible uh future is going to necessarily shake

00:47:10.500 people awake in the way that you're hoping. And that isn't true in the midterms as well,

00:47:14.420 because, you know, if we lose the Senate, then, you know, Alito is wanting to retire

00:47:19.720 and are supposed to want to retire. And if we have Democrats in control of the Senate,

00:47:24.840 you're going to replace. Well, you don't might have to stay on, but then that might give the

00:47:29.120 opportunity for them when they do have full power, when they do have a Democratic president

00:47:33.360 to replace him with whoever they please. So I think you if we maintain a Republican majority

00:47:40.220 in the Senate, then we can, you know, Alito chooses to retire, we can at least get a conservative

00:47:44.660 justice in there. And as we see now, the Supreme Court makes policy far more than Congress. And

00:47:50.980 having another conservative justice replace Alito is much more important than anything going on in

00:47:56.040 Iran. So we're hearing a lot of rumblings about Cuba. And I'd like to tell myself that, well,

00:48:02.280 Trump just talks a lot, right? So we didn't invade Greenland, we're probably not invading Cuba.

00:48:06.460 At the same time, after watching the Venezuela to Iran pop and the fact that Cuba would probably be much closer to Venezuela than it would be to Iran, I think that there's more of a possibility there, especially after Trump taking one on the chin with Iran.

00:48:25.360 And I wouldn't necessarily be against, you know, some action in our own hemisphere against, you know, an evil communist government in general.

00:48:34.240 But I think right now would be very ill advised due to, you know, kind of the current political scenario that has provided us due to the Iran war.

00:48:44.160 Do you think that that's just a bunch of rumblings?

00:48:46.720 Do you think the Trump administration would try to take military action in Cuba if you if they did?

00:48:51.460 Do you think that that would be, you know, just a pure negative or do you think there could be something positive that would come out of that?

00:48:57.880 What do you think about the possibility that we might be militarily engaging with Cuba?

00:49:02.460 Oh, I think it's definitely we're going to try to do some military action against Cuba.

00:49:07.900 I think that's almost certain.

00:49:10.300 And I would say otherwise it would be a positive thing, but poor timing this year because we've already had enough military adventures for one year.

00:49:18.920 Let's wait till after the midterms.

00:49:20.400 I think it would totally be like Venezuela, knock out the government. I think they could just find somebody within the government who is like promises to completely transform it and have a stable transition to a government we would like.

00:49:34.120 We've even had those effects or we've been trying to do those effects in Venezuela, but Trump has taken his eye off the ball to focus on other things and it would have been much better for us to do the Cuba adventure than to have gone into Iran.

00:49:47.300 I think it's mostly a positive. I mean, you've had this anti-American left-wing government that has been sending its criminals and other tawdry types to our country for years. They've had connections within our domestic left as well. And it's within our hemisphere. It's been a massive middle finger to us for nearly 70 years. It's time to take action. We should have done this a long time ago. We should have done this in the 90s.

00:50:14.240 it's now i think it's time for it but um we should wait till after the midterms yeah maybe it's not

00:50:20.400 time for it no i don't i but i think that we might do it before the midterms anyway which

00:50:26.480 you hope for the best that there's not any backlash but i think the public is just going to

00:50:30.240 think that this is far too many military ventures for one year and especially after iran uh but i

00:50:36.960 mean there was even like people were like you know going and getting mad about greenland maybe

00:50:41.040 greenland was not the best idea it's certainly better than iran but i could say that there's

00:50:46.000 much more justification for cuba as cuba is not going to upset really any allies it's within our

00:50:51.200 hemisphere it's an anti-american government that has been trying to undermine us for you know well

00:50:56.560 over for nearly 60 for nearly 70 years ever since castro took power in the late 50s so you know and

00:51:04.320 we might as well uh have the we've been wanting to take them out for years and now we have the

00:51:08.880 the opportunity to, and we can probably have a clean transition, you know, take out a few of

00:51:13.700 the leaders or force the leader to make the concessions we want. You know, I think that's

00:51:18.780 fine, but I think we should wait till after the midterms. You know, if there is this almost

00:51:26.540 inevitable nature to these actions, even though we both recognize them to be poorly timed politically,

00:51:33.900 doesn't that say something though about kind of where we're at i mean we look again i i'm very

00:51:40.060 i i you know agree very much the trump administration has done far more on immigration

00:51:45.220 and many other issues uh than any republican presidency of my lifetime you know it is very

00:51:50.820 clear that they have you know attacked a full spectrum of issues that otherwise would simply

00:51:56.920 not have been addressed under any other republican administration they deserve full credit for that

00:52:01.920 At the same time, I think we're pretty up against the wall with the amount of time we have to make significant domestic changes before some leftist comes into power and decides that now is a great time for absolutely everyone where they are next to their name to get a tax audit.

00:52:17.580 And so I think there's a scenario where we needed to resolve too many domestic issues to really be focused on foreign policy, even if those foreign policy issues are entirely justified.

00:52:28.500 Again, in the abstract, I have no problem with getting rid of the Cuban government.

00:52:33.520 You know, I totally understand the case for it.

00:52:36.300 But when I'm trying to figure out how to make sure that, you know, Gavin Newsom or whatever person they're going to put up, you know, doesn't start just, you know, frog marching, you know, everybody who's attending a church service, you know, in for something.

00:52:50.580 I become a little concerned about the fact that this foreign policy adventurism becomes inevitable to derail us. Why can't we just focus as much as possible on the domestic and leave those issues to be resolved once we actually have control of the American government rather than trying to do all of that simultaneously?

00:53:13.200 Well, with the foreign policy stuff, I think even if he tries to do Cuba this year, and I'm not saying this is my opinion, but you could say that this is the argument, is that after Iran, America is going to be seen as weaker than it before, is that it's retreating from the world and it's a wounded animal that is running away from its issues, its tail tucked between its legs.

00:53:34.340 So we're you know, it's it's now that the world is up for grabs for other powers and the way to invade Cuba is to show that, no, America is still actively engaging and still achieve success.

00:53:45.980 It's to compensate for Iran. I would not agree with that opinion, but that could be the opinion made.

00:53:51.640 And with some of the foreign policy stuff, there is this matter that if you totally retreat from the world that because we have a globalized economy and are in our the American quality of life, Americans own positions depend on the maintenance of open sea lanes and of America's global dominance, both militarily and economically.

00:54:13.520 And if that is taken away, then a lot of probably Americans are going to be even more upset about the economic downturn and we could have a lot of negative effects.

00:54:22.300 That doesn't mean we go into these stupid adventurism like we see with Iran and we potentially talking about I mean, we were trying to even do an intervention in Nigeria for some reason.

00:54:32.240 I mean, that's rather silly. But with that case, the one reason a lot of presidents do this, and this was even the case with Nixon, which Nixon has a lot of renewed right wing attention and renewed right wing and support, which I don't have a really problem with.

00:54:47.300 But people are going to need to point out his achievements, which domestically didn't really have any achievements. But foreign policy, I mean, his foreign policy was very serious and had achievements.

00:54:58.260 And he focused on foreign policy because he couldn't get anything done domestically, is that he had a Democratic-controlled Congress.

00:55:04.380 He couldn't even get his own Supreme Court people he wanted for the Supreme Court are in federal judiciary positions appointed because of Congress.

00:55:14.540 He couldn't get anything done.

00:55:16.040 But on foreign policy, he could go and meet world leaders and determine the fate of the world, which is – that's always the temptation for presidents to focus on foreign policy, is that they're limited in what they can do in domestic.

00:55:27.420 And when it comes to legislation, Trump can't do anything else on legislation, probably for the rest of this term.

00:55:33.600 You know, there's at least there's like seven senators that are going to oppose pretty much everything he supports that he tries to get through.

00:55:40.000 Sometimes they can be coaxed into supporting some things like they would probably support a conservative, conservative replacement for Alito and conservative picks for the federal courts.

00:55:51.220 They'd support that, but they're not going to support anything like the big, beautiful bill anymore.

00:55:55.400 Cornyn, Cassidy, McConnell, Tillis, a couple of others, all these sets of grievances against

00:56:03.000 Trump and want to and especially with Cornyn and Cassidy, want to pay back Trump for making

00:56:07.660 them lose their primaries.

00:56:09.200 So he's not going to get much done legislatively.

00:56:11.560 And it's most likely the Democrats are going to take the House.

00:56:14.460 So that further diminishes the potential for that.

00:56:18.400 He can only do things through executive order, which he's doing a lot through executive order.

00:56:22.120 I mean, we're limiting legal immigration simply through executive orders and no legislative actions.

00:56:28.080 But there's only so much you can do through executive order.

00:56:31.520 And you really with a lot of presidents, they like to pinpoint to some to some piece of legislation they pass is like, aha, here's my hallmark of my presidency.

00:56:40.460 It's like with Obamacare, it's with Obama and Obamacare.

00:56:44.040 He's like, I passed Obamacare. This is a big deal. This is my legacy to the country.

00:56:48.600 And with Nixon, he didn't have that. So he just wanted to say, well, I ended the Vietnam War and I came to a peaceful negotiations with Soviet Union.

00:57:00.420 I opened up ties with China and I did all these other things. And he could only do that with foreign policy.

00:57:05.860 And I think with Trump, he thinks that the best way to make his legacy is through foreign policy because he can't get any signature big legislation through.

00:57:13.860 Whether that's the correct way of thinking, but that's how a lot of presidents are. I mean,

00:57:17.220 presidents like to think about their legacy. I mean, Trump is the same way as a lot of our

00:57:22.820 presidents. They don't want to be completely forgotten. They want to have some long lasting

00:57:27.220 testament to their presidency. And a lot of presidents eventually come to the conclusion

00:57:32.100 the only way they can do that is through foreign policy where they have far more control

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00:58:07.320 when you travel travel well no i mean i agree with all of that analysis of motivations you know

00:58:14.140 all of that is makes sense and frankly our cases i myself have have made as well i guess the

00:58:19.820 problem is that that's just always going to lead us into a very bad place the fact that we simply

00:58:24.340 cannot get the reforms done domestically that have to get done and we can't keep our attention

00:58:29.540 focused on it because eventually we got to go look overseas for some form of victory that's not great

00:58:34.840 I mean, I agree that ultimately you can't entirely fold up the empire and go home.

00:58:39.560 Like, that's just not an option at the moment.

00:58:42.240 At the same time, I think it is just a question of focus.

00:58:45.480 And somebody has to keep their eye on the ball because if we don't win domestically, it won't matter if we beat China on something.

00:58:52.160 You know, ultimately, those things are, you know, if you've lost your entire country to the left, then, you know, it doesn't matter if the left has a better geopolitical position against, you know, the Chinese economy.

00:59:03.140 Well, I think the admin is focusing on domestic policy. It's just harder to champion that to the public in a way that's showing its popularity. I mean, it's a way to show popularity to us. And in some ways, they're able to get all these things done that might not be popular with the public or the public might get queasy about, but we're able to do it anyway because the public's not paying attention towards it.

00:59:24.760 And it's just not as it's just not as sexy as going and completely having regime change in another country or passing some big health care bill.

00:59:35.440 Unfortunately, I mean, it would be great if we like we had all these executive orders that completely reform the system and done all these massive changes.

00:59:41.980 But for a lot of people are what political thinkers and politicians and others think.

00:59:47.200 They just don't think that's big of a deal.

00:59:48.820 And even some of our side doesn't like it is that we can point out like all the great things they're doing with immigration and what they've done against DEI and how they're gutting affirmative action, but it doesn't feel as satisfying as getting a bill passed or some big action that they can point to.

01:00:04.560 So it's these incremental reforms that we're doing, but they don't come off as exciting as a big legislative package or a big war, unfortunately.

01:00:13.580 all right scott well we have uh quite a few questions from the people here so we should

01:00:19.020 probably move over to those but before we do can you please tell people where they can find this

01:00:22.460 piece and the rest of your work yes you can find most of my work at highly respect or at my

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01:00:45.560 excellent all right let's see here we've got cherry coke nixon who says moderate 6 9 185 iq

01:00:53.200 gearhead checking in yeah when i have jay burden on i get the beaver gang when you have uh scott

01:00:58.740 greer on you're gonna get the greer heads so appreciate you guys coming by well cherry coke

01:01:03.400 nixon's always here so uh but uh glad to have you guys in the chat today uh he also says not only

01:01:09.380 is woke 2.0 rising now even england makes us look silly by taking to the streets as americans

01:01:16.320 tolerate third world scams crimes etc well i'll tell you this man um i at some level i mean look

01:01:25.200 england's in a difficult position um what just happened there is the kind of thing that i mean

01:01:31.000 frankly in any other age would have started a revolution um you're in a scenario where i you

01:01:36.720 know for better for worse i think curtis yarvin is right about the realities of western peoples

01:01:41.600 and revolutions um you know people just don't have it in them anymore uh they'll they'll they'll cry

01:01:47.200 about it they'll complain about it but most of them can't even be bothered to vote much less

01:01:51.260 pick up a rifle and so street actions are pretty dangerous because uh it's a scenario where you're

01:01:58.920 gaining very little and risking much as we saw from january 6 you're not really changing policy

01:02:04.980 you're giving your opponents a narrative and you're not actively collecting anything that said

01:02:10.400 there's always an excuse to be a coward so i you know i don't want to sit there and tell people not

01:02:15.760 to take action in the uk if they feel it's justified uh but i'm just saying be careful

01:02:21.120 in thinking that street protests or street gatherings are somehow an indication of political

01:02:25.940 victory uh because uh you know as we've seen the difference between j6 and the summer of love

01:02:31.820 is that the state approved one protest and didn't the other and the consequences were rather dire

01:02:38.020 if you have any uh oh yeah i actually have to disagree with the woke 2.0 is rising it to be

01:02:45.340 worse what a lot of elements woke has not disappeared woke has taken retreat but people

01:02:50.660 imagine oh you say woke is over no it's just settled into a trench it's entrenched itself

01:02:55.760 with certain elements it's given up a lot on the trans stuff because you realize that people this

01:03:00.600 was very unpopular with uh voters even the dnc autopsy which was mostly a joke even admitted that

01:03:07.740 their trant that their issues on trans stuff was a major loser and if the dnc but they're still

01:03:12.540 running tal rico on this right like they don't feel like this has gone away actually it's still

01:03:17.260 pretty well yeah that he's still running on it or is he trying to run away from it

01:03:23.000 no tal rico when he was asked by an interviewer what do you love besides your family the first

01:03:28.780 thing he said was trans kids oh yeah and he said that during peak woke and now he's trying to say

01:03:33.360 like oh uh i didn't say that type of stuff that he's trying to run away from this and even the

01:03:37.920 kamala you could tell that this they've gone too far on this when kamala's campaign was trying to

01:03:42.860 claim that trump is the pro is the real pro trans candidate not kamala and they're like wait a

01:03:48.140 minute what that doesn't make any sense but they've retreated some from the more odious aspects

01:03:53.540 of it but they're still entrenched they're still you know when you look at their history they're

01:03:58.440 still trying to teach 1619 historiography to kids and think that like the whole country is built on

01:04:03.760 white supremacy and stuff but they know that this is bad politics that democrats know they can't go

01:04:09.860 out there and say america was built on white supremacy even though they're still going to have

01:04:14.140 history textbooks telling you that they can't be obvious with it so they've retreated back on a lot

01:04:19.500 of issues and they don't want to have fights over trans stuff anymore because they know that's a

01:04:23.800 loser even though they still want to support it but they they know it's a loser and even when it

01:04:27.780 comes to immigration stuff, they know they can't have open borders. The problem is, is once they

01:04:31.620 get in power, they'll be like Abigail Spamber, who's the new governor in Virginia, where she

01:04:36.960 ran as a moderate. She's like, oh, we're not going to do anything too radical. And then she handed

01:04:41.580 off her entire agenda to the far left and they're doing all this crazy stuff. But I think with

01:04:47.740 Woke 2.0, you make the point that UK is in a different situation. I think it is. It's a much

01:04:53.880 more totalitarian government than we have there. They just censor people left and right. There's

01:04:59.140 it's it's complete anarcho tyranny. And they're really at war with their own people. I think it's

01:05:04.720 the government in the West that's the most at war with its own people. The people have continually

01:05:09.640 voted for the government to restrict immigration and said the government arrests people on Facebook

01:05:14.420 for calling for immigration restrictions. So I think it's outrage and it's a far they're in a

01:05:19.000 far worse situation than we're here in the united states but in terms of woke 2.0 rising i think

01:05:24.200 it's they retreated to a more defensible uh form of woke or at least one they think that that they

01:05:30.780 can promote more but you still have to be wary that once they get in power they're going to

01:05:34.700 promote the far left agenda as we can see with abigail spamburger in virginia oh for sure

01:05:40.160 uh name i cannot say on youtube says it's hard to not see the recently uh the recently kentucky

01:05:48.180 elections as merely a phyric victory for the israel lobby sure they won uh but at what cost

01:05:55.560 now everyone sees their toxic influence i don't know man i'd love to believe that but i am pretty

01:06:00.680 doubtful about that i dave smith has been saying this and i like dave but this is just not true

01:06:06.800 and i think this is libertarian delusion like if you if you think people are just learning that

01:06:11.900 the israeli lobby has influence in the united states i mean pat buchanan was talking about

01:06:16.520 this in the 90s uh so you know you you had uh you had uh guys getting fired from the national review

01:06:23.140 in the 80s and getting canceled for talking about this so i don't think this is a new revelation

01:06:28.200 at some level is the you know flex on thomas massey gonna wake people up no i don't think so

01:06:37.000 and also the truth is that i think the thomas massey loss was multifaceted and israel was

01:06:42.060 only one of those issues. I mean, the end of the day, Thomas Massey allied himself with a lot of

01:06:47.320 people that the base did not like. Trump's endorsement still carries in a massive amount

01:06:51.380 of weight. I think a lot of people want to attribute it to their favorite thing. They just

01:06:55.140 want to say, oh, it was just Trump or it was just Israel or it was just whatever. No, I think there

01:07:00.200 was just like five or six key factors that were kind of going to doom Massey because of his

01:07:06.800 associations, the stances he had taken, the people he had pissed off in the donor class,

01:07:12.860 along with Israel, and then Trump himself. So I think, again, I'd love for people to say,

01:07:19.540 okay, we need to go ahead and push back against large numbers of Israeli donations and random

01:07:26.640 seats in Kentucky. But I don't think that's going to be the final takeaway about this, because,

01:07:31.480 again, I don't think it was the only factor. Yeah, I would have to agree it's not the only

01:07:35.940 factor. But I think if he had been pro-Trump, he would have stayed in office. Even though Trump

01:07:39.900 had problems with Massey, and so did Massey did, had problems with Trump. I think if they had stayed

01:07:44.420 relatively pro-Trump, obviously he was going to come out against the Iran war and the Iran trucks,

01:07:49.200 but so has Rand Paul. And maybe he had not tried to imply that Trump was a pedophile and other

01:07:56.440 things. I think he would have stayed in office. Obviously, AIPAC was going to run a candidate

01:08:01.760 against him and put a heavy amount of money into that guy. But Massey had enough popularity to

01:08:06.660 withstand it. He's overcome many primary challenges of this. Including ones that Trump

01:08:12.040 has previously endorsed. Yeah. And so he would have been able to survive. It would have been

01:08:17.800 a close election. But if Trump had largely stayed out of it, and Trump will only endorse candidates

01:08:22.500 if he knows that they can win. And even with the case with Iowa, it was an extremely close race

01:08:27.240 where he thought that that would be enough to get the guy over the final edge.

01:08:30.860 But, you know, it was less than a point that decided that election.

01:08:35.700 He's only going to jump in when he realizes that that person is going to be that that's going to be enough to get that person to win.

01:08:41.940 And so if he gets poll numbers, it's showing that Massey's 20 points ahead.

01:08:45.400 He'd be like, well, I'll I'm not going to jump in here.

01:08:48.600 But he felt that this was enough to, you know, that this guy is so obviously anti-Trump that he decided to jump in and make it his political mission to get rid of Massey.

01:08:58.380 And we saw the results. But in terms of conservatives and Republicans turning more against Israel, I mean, long term, there's going to be more open criticism of Israel.

01:09:08.460 If you look at youth opinion on Israel, you know, very few support of it.

01:09:13.140 And if you look at conservative media, there is far more criticism of Israel today within conservative media.

01:09:18.920 And this is what shapes policymakers and young people who get into conservatism.

01:09:24.000 It's far more critical.

01:09:25.500 I remember, you know, getting into this 13 years ago, you could not even make, you know, small remarks about Israel, you know, small criticisms of Israel.

01:09:34.220 Now you've got all our biggest influencers saying that Israel controls our government and relying on certain terminology that comes from forbidding corners of the right for Israel.

01:09:45.880 So this is going to have a major impact long term.

01:09:48.460 I think short term, you're going to see the Republican Party being more pro-Israel than maybe it was a few years ago.

01:09:54.080 But that I think over time, we're going to see young people and conservative media push the party into a more, I wouldn't say anti-Israel direction, but a more open minded discussion over it.

01:10:08.720 I think it's going to be having this like fervent Zionist position that no matter what they do, we're saluting and supporting it.

01:10:16.240 That's not going to play well in elections going forward.

01:10:19.760 I think that's right.

01:10:20.780 i think you know as you say i don't think there's ever going to be a full opposition to israel but

01:10:26.100 i think there will be a openness to renegotiating uh the relationship there uh and that's you know

01:10:32.600 ultimately all i'm hoping for is that we just don't have to think about this stupid country

01:10:36.280 anymore uh cherry coke nixon also says for every ogles we get with the left gets 10 mom donnie

01:10:42.380 uh unfortunately yeah that's that's very true um ixton says uh jackson dart controversy is a

01:10:50.780 sign of woke returning uh sorry i don't know this one are you are you familiar with that oh yeah

01:10:55.500 jackson dart no he's a he's the new york giants quarterback he introduced trump at a political

01:11:00.580 rally uh i want to say a few weeks ago and he received a massive backlash for it which is i

01:11:06.480 bring up in my article is this is a sign of the vibe shift is that you know in late 2024 we had

01:11:13.280 all these players doing the trump dance and you saw when he went to mma fights even though this

01:11:18.080 is mostly the case when he went to mma fights he was treated as like a conquering hero like

01:11:21.620 it's like he was like the beatles arriving at an airport in 1965 he's surrounded by all these

01:11:26.940 young girls that was like him at a ufc fight which it's still he still gets a more positive

01:11:32.440 reception there than he would at other public events. But there was all this culture around him

01:11:37.260 supporting him. But now Jackson Dart, you know, he could have done this a year ago and probably not

01:11:42.380 received much of a backlash. But this was treated as the worst thing a football player has done in

01:11:46.800 the offseason. There's been several NFL players arrested for serious violent crimes and other

01:11:52.300 things. But that all pales in comparison to Jackson Dart introducing Trump at a rally. And

01:11:58.620 And he had one of his teammates openly criticize him.

01:12:02.160 And he had to basically come out to his team and do a somewhat of apology,

01:12:07.300 even though publicly he's like, you know, I'm a proud American.

01:12:09.920 I'm proud to introduce the president.

01:12:11.540 But, you know, he's a leader of his team.

01:12:14.420 A lot of his teammates probably are going to be happy with that.

01:12:16.380 He's got to focus on his job, and that's trying to make the Giants win.

01:12:20.760 And so he has to do what he has to do.

01:12:22.540 But he's still a great American patriot.

01:12:25.420 We support Jackson Dart.

01:12:26.840 we hope uh even though i'm not a giants fan by any measure i i am a jackson dart fan yeah the

01:12:34.280 the the buccaneers get gayer and gayer every year and so it's getting harder and harder to watch

01:12:38.380 football uh i i enjoyed it but it it it's wearing wearing thin for me um mr nikes says justice for

01:12:47.080 henry nowak white lives matter yeah i i guys i know we haven't really gotten deep into that story

01:12:52.500 even though it's very important i just wrote my piece uh on it it should be out tonight or

01:12:58.460 tomorrow morning and i'll put up an episode on it tomorrow so you're gonna uh you're gonna get

01:13:03.580 my thoughts on that i don't want to dive too deep in it now but obviously this is a horrific tragedy

01:13:08.140 um it is says just about everything that needs to be said about the uk uh and the direction that

01:13:15.580 many western governments are going not just uh the one the british government uh but like i said i

01:13:21.760 don't I don't want to go into great detail just because I've got my my thoughts collected about

01:13:26.600 that so you'll get more of that tomorrow Nixon says Trump's unpopularity with normies seems

01:13:33.640 completely tied to gas prices AI and H1B job loss and Israel all are unforced errors that can be

01:13:43.560 corrected um i think much of that is true uh those are things that the administration could

01:13:52.140 tighten up though i think that uh scott is right that there was a level of optics that was always

01:13:57.480 going to come with uh deportations that was going to rub many of his moderate supporters the wrong

01:14:03.220 way i would say if you're going to spend political capital on anything spend it on the deportation

01:14:09.060 So if you have to do something unpopular, focus it on the thing that matters the most and is worth that cost. I think if you had done that, then they would have an easier time kind of sheltering that. The fact that they spent that political capital on deportations and then also then spent it on Iran and gas prices and everything else, that has been an issue.

01:14:30.580 The AI one is a little more difficult. I've given my thoughts on that and the complex nature of the kind of the relationship with the administration to that. I don't know. I think AI is just generally unpopular with people, or at least the thought of AI taking jobs or building data centers is unpopular, even though plenty of people are using AI.

01:14:50.320 So that's something that's going to evolve over time.

01:14:52.740 It is a little risky for Trump to be out in front of it.

01:14:55.320 But then he's also probably getting quite a bit of economy supercharging and donations from the support there.

01:15:02.380 So I don't think it's entirely unsurprising where he fell down on that issue.

01:15:07.800 Yeah, I would some of that I would agree.

01:15:09.820 I think it's gas prices, sluggish economy, primarily.

01:15:13.520 And I mean, the main problem Americans have with the Iran war is the gas prices, is that they're feeling an effect on it.

01:15:19.440 If this was just happened, it went off, you know, there'd be some people complaining about it.

01:15:24.400 But if it had no effect on it, then we're not going to care.

01:15:26.360 But the fact that it's having a direct impact on them on their daily life.

01:15:30.740 If it was another Venezuela, we wouldn't be talking about it at this point.

01:15:33.700 Yeah.

01:15:33.980 With H-1B job loss, well, I mean, they're restricting the H-1B.

01:15:37.140 They place a hefty fee on to get H-1B and the numbers are going down.

01:15:41.720 And also you can, if you read Indian news, all the Indians are complaining about how they can't get to the United States anymore

01:15:48.000 are due to the new legal immigration restrictions we have. They put the H-1B new fees, I think,

01:15:56.060 last September. So it's going to catch up with this next year of the downturn in H-1B job loss.

01:16:02.580 But all this is more tied to the sluggish economy. I think that's the primary driver of it. Iran war

01:16:08.500 has further contributed towards it. And the idea that he doesn't seem to be making the domestic

01:16:15.000 economy better they tend to blame him on that ai is getting unpopular but i'm not sure that they're

01:16:20.480 blaming trump for that it's more of just an anti-tech backlash uh if trump was more strongly

01:16:26.760 relate or associated with it with the public uh that probably wouldn't do him favors yeah i think

01:16:32.800 that's largely correct uh nixon else says white pill vibe shift is over but hassan piker types

01:16:38.100 have demonstrated that they have a low ceiling nobody wants to go back to 2010s or 2020 culture

01:16:44.160 i mean that's interesting do you think we've talked about why the right hasn't retained the

01:16:49.060 culture but when it comes to the left approaching the culture do you think that there is now a

01:16:53.920 ceiling for radical leftism is that has that worn itself out uh or do you think that there is the

01:17:00.380 ability of someone like a piker to great to you know gain more market share and kind of push his

01:17:06.680 politics back into the democratic party i mean the radical left is more popular i mean we got mom

01:17:12.560 donny we've got has i mean we've got candidates meeting with hassan piker i mean graham plattner

01:17:18.080 if he hadn't been sexting all these women he would probably be on his way to being the senator the

01:17:24.080 next senator of maine so yeah the type of far left dsa type politics has a lot of popularity within

01:17:31.840 the democratic party it's more its problems are getting people who can be who have enough of a

01:17:37.520 background and not enough baggage to be elected uh so yeah they're having their effect on the

01:17:43.040 party but it's also part of the a lot of their rhetoric that they have as part of that further

01:17:50.080 further moving the overton window right is that platter's main controversies have been

01:17:55.280 things that would have you would almost think as right coded such as this tone cop tattoo

01:18:00.160 a lot of the offensive comments he was making on reddit you know this is usually not the stuff that

01:18:05.120 they are associated with the far left i mean most uh dsa candidates do not have nazi tattoos that

01:18:10.880 are having to worry about but the rest of the culture is like oh well i guess uh everyone's

01:18:15.680 got an ss tattoo so we're we're not going to care about this uh so even some of them have benefited

01:18:21.840 from that but what's really hurting them is something that obviously uh women voters are

01:18:26.720 not going to like that a married man is uh having inappropriate relations with dozens of women so

01:18:32.400 So that's more hurting him.

01:18:34.660 But yes, the old type of DSA, or not even old type,

01:18:38.380 but DSA politics is still very popular within Democratic Party.

01:18:42.240 But they changed their tone because in the past,

01:18:44.560 like Graham Plattner would have had to be focused on his pronouns

01:18:47.060 and how much he's going to help trans people and other stuff.

01:18:50.280 Now he's focusing on the things that appeal to ordinary members of the Democratic base,

01:18:56.380 as well that maybe can have some appeal to independence.

01:18:59.720 And some of that is very far left.

01:19:01.240 the right is going to need to oppose. You know, he's still into these massive wealth

01:19:05.240 redistribution schemes that's going to primarily hurt middle class white Americans. And he wants

01:19:10.180 to abolish ICE. But thanks to the ICE shootings and, you know, popular backlash against some of

01:19:15.700 the ICE raids, there's been a ground, there's been a ground for support for that, especially

01:19:20.780 in places like Maine. So they're able to appeal to some of the demographics. They put some of

01:19:27.420 the wokeness aside, you know, Plattner's not campaigning on his pronouns and, you know,

01:19:32.620 loving trans kids and stuff, but there's still these very insidious left-wing ideas he has,

01:19:38.900 and he supports open borders, but that stuff is very popular. There's a lot of anger within

01:19:43.400 the Democratic base, and there's a lot of openness towards economic populism or left-wing

01:19:49.340 economic populism among Democratic voters, and that's how Hassan can have his influence. I mean,

01:19:54.640 Democrats wouldn't have been meeting with Hassan in 2019. Now you see a lot of Democrats that are

01:20:00.440 wanting to appeal to Hassan. Even Tom Steyer is wanting to appeal to Hassan. So that's a big

01:20:08.560 change within democratic politics. Ian Briggs says the feminization of society means that

01:20:14.160 being perceived as vaguely mean has become the primary way by which morality is judged. Trump

01:20:22.680 equals mean equals bad sad uh i mean that's true to some degree but of course it i guess it also

01:20:29.660 depends on where the meanness is directed it's not like uh the the left is not full of people

01:20:34.440 who are mean uh but uh yeah there there is most certainly a uh kind of protocol what's the uh

01:20:41.000 the online cartoon where the you know good-looking guy comes in and says it and the woman's excited

01:20:46.000 and the bad-looking guy comes in and that she's calling hr uh there's there's a little bit of that

01:20:50.780 uh to to it it depends on the messenger and uh the target uh but that's certainly true that the

01:20:56.500 feminization of society has changed the way that people have to speak about certain issues

01:21:00.800 yeah i agree it's all about who's saying it as platner could get away with a lot of stuff if

01:21:07.140 platner was uh uh someone who's very ugly and a right winger they would not uh have uh some of

01:21:13.860 the first tattoo exactly florida henry says uh not sure what could have been done by the but the

01:21:19.960 response to Charlie Kirk's murder was pathetic yeah I mean I agree uh on pretty much every front

01:21:25.100 uh from the you know the conspiracy theories to uh what I think should have been a more robust

01:21:29.940 law enforcement uh response ultimately uh I think that uh there was a lot of mishandling of uh of

01:21:37.280 that situation but again there's not it's not like there's some official playbook for something like

01:21:41.800 that it's not like there's a department of handling political assassinations that immediately jumps on

01:21:46.880 and and puts these things together so uh i guess uh some level of that was inevitable uh in many

01:21:53.120 ways uh just uncovered issues that were already uh existing inside the maga coalition um and

01:21:59.880 there's simply in it kind of a excuse for those forces to erupt at the worst possible time

01:22:05.000 uh nixon also says in many ways rumble podcasts are a cross to bear i'll be honest like we are

01:22:12.560 streaming on rumble right now but i'm just never over there i don't know what's going on i hear

01:22:16.840 people talk about the rumble podcast i have no frame of reference even for uh for what's what's

01:22:21.800 going on there but uh yeah hello to everybody on rumble and uh we we love you you know we love you

01:22:26.840 over here at the orrin mcintyre show oh we definitely love rumble we got we got to stand

01:22:31.040 up with our rumblers uh cherry coke nixon says culturally the left seems to be uh focusing on

01:22:38.280 misandry and ai data centers as they lose on uh blm and lgbtq uh what opening do you guys

01:22:46.740 see on the left's pet issues um their current pet issues or i guess the i mean we already have

01:22:57.080 talked about kind of a vulnerability of the more radical trans and lgbt stuff uh the blm stuff is

01:23:04.120 still there in the background but you can't push it as hard uh the data centers i don't think really

01:23:08.720 cost them anything i think that's if i mean honestly if i was on the left i would beat that

01:23:12.880 you know horse to death uh because it costs them almost nothing and gains them everything

01:23:17.140 um uh but um uh focusing on hating men i suppose i don't know uh do you have more opinions on this

01:23:25.800 one scott i'm a little uh all over the place on this question um well they've been trying to

01:23:29.700 downplaying the hating on men because they realized that was a problem in 2024 but yeah

01:23:34.760 i mean they did that whole study with the fat lady they gave her like 20 million dollars to

01:23:38.780 try to figure out why men hate them yeah i think it's just pointing out when they're actually

01:23:42.500 power and you go and look at uh spanberger's record you look at newsom's record you know

01:23:47.120 they might be trying to sound moderate and you know like we're doing things differently but if

01:23:51.720 you actually look at the record of what they're doing they're continuing on all these far left

01:23:55.140 agenda items uh randy uh shirker says anything passed by pin can be undone by the pin well yeah

01:24:03.460 this is always the issue with executive orders and i think the trump administration's perfectly

01:24:07.260 aware of that but when you simply cannot get the congress to do what it's supposed to do then

01:24:12.080 the only option left for you is to push as hard as you can with the executive orders and that was

01:24:15.960 always going to be a limiting factor i think the trump administration had a great plan uh with what

01:24:20.180 to do with the executive orders i think where they kind of fell down was what do we do when

01:24:24.240 the power of the executive uh you know reaches its its edge what you know do we push the courts

01:24:29.220 do we push congress uh you know what how do how do we ultimately you know address that maybe that's

01:24:34.900 what trump's trying to do with you know some level of party discipline by cracking down on people

01:24:39.020 in uh in in primaries uh but ultimately i don't think his current uh slate of endorsements is

01:24:45.960 going to bring him any additional loyalty in some of the areas he's trying to focus on like

01:24:50.720 the save act but i hope they do you know that would be great yeah no i agree with most of that

01:24:56.660 it's but it's the best he can do i mean the legislature legislation is very tough to pass

01:25:01.800 and most of our legislative branch is dedicated to doing nothing that's exactly and so it's up to

01:25:07.460 the the judiciary and the executive branch to do anything yeah the american government really has

01:25:12.760 one and a half branches uh that's that's just the functional reality right now uh kevin mcdonald's

01:25:19.860 says uh or k max mcdonald says in scott's view trump's best policy has been on refugees the

01:25:26.220 border and blunting di policy question mark so i guess the question after him do you see another

01:25:31.740 celebrity uh spencer pratt type as opposed to an establishment type like marco rubio to lead the

01:25:38.180 gop well yeah obviously a lot of people are still doing the speculating you have vance which kind

01:25:43.300 of represented i think more of the original kind of maga identity of the coalition uh was much more

01:25:50.800 open to you know some of the more new right ideas marco rubio feels more like a uh return to a

01:25:57.700 possible kind of quasi neocon establishment grasp on the party. Do you think either of those forces

01:26:03.780 is going to win out or will the GOP see another rogue candidate like Trump push through? I mean,

01:26:09.340 I think Trump's a pretty singular figure, so it won't be in exactly his mold. But is there a

01:26:14.200 possibility that some other outsider would be necessary to kind of break through and create

01:26:18.240 the scenario? Or are we going to see a succession of kind of one of these two obvious guys?

01:26:23.100 yeah for it probably won't happen in 2028 but it could very well happen in 20 the 2030s i mean the

01:26:29.260 republican party is uniquely positioned to welcome outsiders in a way that the democrats aren't

01:26:35.480 because the democrats depend on all these institutions and interest groups to pick the

01:26:39.940 candidate and you know you have to appeal to labor unions you got to appeal to the black

01:26:44.280 lobby you got to appeal to the hispanic lobby you've got to appeal to the women lobby the

01:26:48.360 feminist lobby you got to appeal the environmentalists there's all these interest groups you

01:26:52.260 have to get behind you. And it's very tough for outsiders to win. You can see what they did to

01:26:57.060 Bernie Sanders is that basically all the interest groups decided to back Biden and he crushed

01:27:02.320 Bernie. But in the Republican primary, Trump was backed by nobody and easily crushes opposition in

01:27:10.080 2016. And even 2024, the institutions were not wanting to support him and he still won easily.

01:27:16.040 So we're going to see a lot more outsiders in the future. Who they are, I don't know. Spencer Pratt,

01:27:21.320 If he, you know, maybe gets, you know, wins some seat, maybe he can use that as a stepping stone to running for president in 2032.

01:27:31.380 We'll have to see what happens there.

01:27:33.120 I mean, he's a very, he's a very appealing candidate.

01:27:36.340 And I did write an article about how the future of the GOP could very well look like Spencer Pratt.

01:27:42.340 And he seems to have the right formula for post-Trump GOP that's not hyper ideological.

01:27:49.140 it's focused on local quality of life issues it's also very entertaining and it still directs its

01:27:55.680 anger or anger is too hard a word but directs its focus to trying to curtail these problems

01:28:03.620 that democrats and the established don't focus on and for him it's the homeless and for trump

01:28:08.940 it was illegal immigrants and immigration itself yep uh mcdonald also says does the uk lead the

01:28:17.700 world in white guilt their history seems the most maligned as colonialism that ruined the world and

01:28:23.780 so now they see an attack on british people as justified and moral i mean they're up there but

01:28:29.060 then you got to think about ireland who has absolutely no uh you know history of colonialism

01:28:33.380 and uh also seems to hate its whiteness with a similar fervor i mean canada has got to be up

01:28:38.640 there too but yeah i mean i agree it's certainly got to be uh one of the most notable for this kind

01:28:43.060 of behavior yeah or yeah you didn't give my point yeah i would say it's just more of the government

01:28:50.500 itself in the uk that has this it's trying to impose it on the people i don't think the people

01:28:55.440 themselves have it i don't think that this is a particularly liberal population i mean the english

01:28:59.400 people they still have a silent majority that's very much opposed to immigration all these terrible

01:29:03.520 things but the government just does the opposite and then tries to oppress and persecute them

01:29:08.040 Well, I think a lot of ordinary Canadians, apologies to any Canadians that might be listening, but the majority of the people seem to be supportive of these ideas.

01:29:18.960 Well, I think it's different in the UK.

01:29:21.760 Yeah, when I talk to people like Carl Benjamin, he gets a little angry when people are like, oh, well, why are the British voting for this?

01:29:29.600 He's like, they're not. They're not.

01:29:31.680 We've done everything democratically we can do to signal that we do not want this, and still it continues to happen.

01:29:37.560 And so just because the government is do something does not mean it's the opinion of the population.

01:29:42.640 And while it's easy for us to look at them and say, why don't you do something?

01:29:45.700 Well, it's not like we did a lot of things when that was happening here as well.

01:29:49.680 So, you know, don't be too sanguine about your chances fighting woke over those in England.

01:29:56.240 We have similar issues when it comes to motivation for ultimately finding solutions that are not asking a politician to fix it for us.

01:30:04.460 Yeah.

01:30:04.560 uh the odor uh e mc c there's a lot going on there says uh the question is uh not has trump

01:30:11.740 done good it's has trump done enough the judgment of history is cruelest to good men who failed to

01:30:17.460 do enough i mean uh yeah i think that's right i mean i've i've told the administration this

01:30:22.900 myself it's like look you guys are doing amazing stuff yeah you're doing much better than any

01:30:27.380 administration in my lifetime it's just not sufficient that's a brutal thing to hear when

01:30:31.680 you're doing really a really good job and people need to give them the space to operate to do the

01:30:36.780 most that they can and not just assume that you know they're not doing anything because you don't

01:30:41.480 have everything you want at the moment that said you know there is no you know there is no second

01:30:46.020 place and you know the game of thrones as it were like there is there is no uh participation prize

01:30:51.580 or prize for effort either you get it done or you don't then it costs you something if you don't so

01:30:55.720 i would say that you know it's it's wrong to say the trump administration isn't doing anything

01:31:00.480 or they're like, you know, they failed on all this stuff.

01:31:04.060 Like, no, actually they're doing a lot.

01:31:05.780 They have significant accomplishments,

01:31:07.460 but there just has to be a lot.

01:31:09.100 And it's perhaps more than it's fair to ask,

01:31:12.800 but it has to be asked anyway,

01:31:14.060 because that's kind of where we're at.

01:31:16.000 Yeah, my opinion on it is Rome wasn't built in a day.

01:31:18.840 So it takes a long time and a long effort.

01:31:20.960 It's gonna be a long fight.

01:31:22.260 But obviously it's not sufficient enough

01:31:24.980 or more should be done.

01:31:26.560 But a lot of people take that opinion and say,

01:31:28.700 well, I'm done with politics

01:31:29.880 or I'm about to vote for Democrats, or I'm just, I'm extremely anti-Trump because not enough has

01:31:34.700 been done. And they expect Rome to literally be built in a day. So compared as someone who's been

01:31:40.920 in politics for a while and has seen that there was literally nothing being done or the opposite

01:31:45.580 of what we wanted to be done in years past, and now we have finally progress being made and serious

01:31:50.720 progress being made. And I think it's that just some people think that there's this massive demand

01:31:57.480 for everything to happen at once and they forget that there's a lot of things at work that makes

01:32:02.740 this impossible to do and it's going to be a long fight in order to stay in the in order to stay in

01:32:08.420 that long fight you have to be serious about what you can accomplish and it's going to be these

01:32:11.580 incremental changes that are going to happen over time and we have to keep supporting what's the

01:32:15.960 best options available more of the problems with trump is that not that he hasn't done enough but

01:32:21.620 There have been mistakes he's made in terms of the economy, that he's gotten the economy not as stable as it should be, and the Iran war that has gotten him off the path of making the serious progress.

01:32:34.240 I think that's more of the issues with it, is that he's made a few mistakes that have distracted him from the real agenda he should be pursuing, rather than the agenda that he's been pursuing, has been insufficient, is that it takes a long time to get these corrections made.

01:32:51.620 um plov maybe uh says uh what is the uh gearhead uh stance on the stanley cup finals are there

01:33:01.460 are we vegas or california respected i would guess we would support the uh hurricanes i have

01:33:08.480 a north carolina connection i don't really support any las vegas teams las vegas should

01:33:13.320 not have sports teams and they especially should not have a hockey team even though really the

01:33:18.440 how we shouldn't have a hockey team but we're going to support the uh the hurricanes there

01:33:24.280 we're going to support north carolina so we'll be for them but i don't think we have a very

01:33:28.520 strong opinion on the stanley cup finals and then uh mcdonald says it is amazing nobody cares about

01:33:36.280 the world cup in america even when it will be played in america i guess soccer just doesn't

01:33:41.740 inspire americans yeah man it's boring i don't know what to tell you it's it's an incredibly

01:33:46.460 boring sport and i don't understand how the rest of the world is captivated by it i would literally

01:33:50.780 in rather i'd rather watch baseball i actually enjoy baseball a decent amount i would just i

01:33:55.860 find that far more entertaining even though it's not considered to be as fast-paced i just don't

01:33:59.840 understand soccer and i don't i the only way soccer is getting popular in america is if you

01:34:04.460 keep moving the third world into the united states that's the only thing that grows the popularity of

01:34:09.000 soccer i yeah at least that's where i stay well a lot of white liberals aren't well not white liberals

01:34:14.200 but a lot of college-educated whites are getting into it

01:34:16.280 as like they're a sport of different.

01:34:17.400 But what they prefer is not MLS.

01:34:19.280 They prefer the European – you know, they prefer Premier League

01:34:22.680 and continental European teams.

01:34:24.100 They don't prefer the MLS thing.

01:34:25.820 The only interesting – soccer is made interesting when you watch it

01:34:29.580 where people care about it and you have the whole crowd excitement

01:34:32.300 and they go nuts with it.

01:34:34.040 It adds a certain quality towards it, but MLS is really boring

01:34:38.200 because there's no crowd excitement or anything.

01:34:40.100 I don't particularly like watching soccer, and I like to think of it as a communist subversion of our country compared to our sports.

01:34:50.180 I definitely prefer American football and baseball and even basketball over it, but it is a little weird that no one is that excited about World Cup, especially with more Americans being interested in soccer than ever before.

01:35:03.040 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - June 03, 2026

The Vibe Shift Is Over ｜ Guest： Scott Greer ｜ 6⧸3⧸26

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