The Auron MacIntyre Show - The War on Noticing ｜ Guest： Steve Sailer ｜ 6⧸26⧸24

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00:00:38.260 So, Steve Saylor is a very influential journalist, though often infamous in many circles.

00:00:44.220 But he does excellent work, and he's come out with a new book called Noticing.

00:00:48.860 He's joining us from his incredible closet studio.

00:00:52.660 Steve, thanks for joining me today.

00:00:54.660 Hey, thanks. I'm glad to be here.

00:00:57.280 Absolutely.

00:00:57.840 We're going to be diving into social science, statistics, and everything you're not supposed

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00:03:15.420 So, Steve, you're, again, probably one of the more influential journalists over the last

00:03:22.760 few decades, but so often you're also untouchable.

00:03:26.400 People aren't allowed to notice or reference your noticing in their work.

00:03:31.580 What has turned you into somebody who everyone reads but no one wants to admit to reading?

00:03:35.980 I don't really know after all these years.

00:03:41.740 I mean, I'd probably have to say it's probably poor career management on my part that I just

00:03:49.420 haven't really been, you know, focused on a laser beam on how to claw my way to the top

00:03:57.180 of the career stack.

00:03:59.560 And I just kind of do whatever I want to do and, and that backfires and I just keep on

00:04:08.240 doing the, and saying the things I want to say.

00:04:10.980 I don't know after all these years.

00:04:14.380 I, I think if, if anything, it's because I tend to come across as this really reasonable

00:04:23.280 guy who knows a lot of basic facts about this America, what the social science says, who

00:04:33.080 observes a lot about daily life from a pretty normal point of view.

00:04:37.220 And then I put it together in kind of a big picture that tends to scare people, I guess.

00:04:46.300 That's like, well, what if sailor is right? 0.73

00:04:49.160 Uh, then that would be horrible, especially that would mean, you know, I've been wrong

00:04:54.720 and therefore maybe he should have my job.

00:04:59.560 No, that's the worst possible conclusion they can come to.

00:05:03.240 I don't know.

00:05:04.460 So it's been going on forever.

00:05:06.580 I just keep doing what I do.

00:05:08.640 And, uh, at the moment I'm, I'm sort of more popular than ever, but I've been doing this

00:05:16.760 a long time and I have a lot of ups and downs over the decades.

00:05:20.380 Yeah.

00:05:20.820 That, uh, that kind of multi-decade overnight success there for you all of a sudden.

00:05:25.540 Yeah.

00:05:25.980 I started writing for national review in 1994.

00:05:29.740 I've been a full-time, uh, opinion journalist since 2000.

00:05:35.200 So, uh, I've, I've kind of seen it all over the years.

00:05:40.240 And often you made some pretty good, uh, predictions made, given some out, some good advice.

00:05:45.560 One of the pieces I wanted to focus on was the sailor strategy, uh, kind of the number

00:05:50.620 one thing that Republicans don't want to do.

00:05:53.500 It seems like is when more white voters, they constantly are focused on how can we appeal

00:05:59.740 to Hispanic communities, African-American communities, Asian communities, anybody except 0.73

00:06:04.880 focusing on kind of a core demographic that reliably votes in their favor.

00:06:09.420 One of the things that you suggested in one of the essays collected in your book previously

00:06:14.420 is that the Republican party could make very small adjustments to win over a large amount

00:06:20.220 of the white working class that hadn't really been accounted for previously in their strategy.

00:06:26.180 And then Donald Trump did a lot of that in, in 2016, but he still continues to seem to chase

00:06:32.520 this dragon.

00:06:33.520 There's, there are a lot of talk about how we're the, the African-American community is

00:06:37.340 on the verge of flipping entirely for Trump, or he just did a speech where he talked about

00:06:41.920 stapling passports to, uh, any community college degree.

00:06:45.880 So you could go ahead and get more immigration that way.

00:06:49.200 Why is it so, uh, the case that even when the strategy works, it seems like something the

00:06:54.220 GOP runs away from.

00:06:55.360 Yeah, I mean, right after the 2000 Bush-Gore election, while the recount was still going

00:07:03.520 on, I went through the, the results such as they were at that point and looked at the electoral

00:07:09.700 college and went, wow, you know, the Republicans could have run away with this if they had just

00:07:17.000 done a little better in the rust belt states of the North Central, especially among whites.

00:07:25.100 Um, the, you know, up in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, they're pulling in 49% of the

00:07:33.360 white bow, 53%.

00:07:35.440 You push that up to 58 or 60% in these kind of unionized, uh, states, and you'll sweep the, uh,

00:07:45.420 these crucial electoral, uh, college states.

00:07:49.580 And how do you do that?

00:07:51.220 Well, you don't be quite so fanatical about, uh, economic issues.

00:07:57.440 You don't be so libertarian.

00:08:00.420 You try to, you know, work out some sort of deal with the working class. 1.00

00:08:05.320 And it's not, it's, it's hardly the most radical idea.

00:08:10.200 Now you go forward 16 years to Trump's first run, and that's pretty much what he ends up

00:08:16.560 doing and, uh, did, did Donald Trump sit down and read my, my article, be there in 2000 and

00:08:25.180 go, Oh yeah, this is our strategy.

00:08:27.040 No, I'm it's, it was basically the only strategy he had that showed him a path to victory.

00:08:35.320 So anybody would have come up with the same thing, except for the Republican establishment.

00:08:42.000 Uh, they looked at the results in 2000 with, uh, uh, Karl Rove is, uh, George W.

00:08:49.540 Bush's Bengali.

00:08:50.740 And they immediately took the conclusion that what's absolutely crucial is that Republicans

00:08:58.820 win a higher, more of the growing Hispanic vote.

00:09:05.960 And that the way to do that was to let in even more Hispanics. 0.84

00:09:11.160 Now, granted, we'll, we'll lose money on each one, but we'll make up for it on volumes,

00:09:18.240 the thinking or something like that.

00:09:20.140 It was never real clear with medically how it was supposed to work, but, uh, and it didn't

00:09:27.340 make a lot of sense in the electoral college since the Hispanic population at that point

00:09:32.620 was, was heavily concentrated in California, which the Republicans were not ever going to

00:09:38.440 win.

00:09:38.880 And in Texas, which if the Republicans lose, which they might, then it's kind of lights

00:09:44.740 out for the Republicans as a, a party that can win the presidency.

00:09:49.180 Uh, then there was Florida.

00:09:52.760 Do the dominant Hispanics in Florida really care about Mexican illegal immigrants?

00:09:58.400 I think so.

00:09:59.840 Do Mexican Americans who vote really care about Mexican illegal immigrants?

00:10:05.820 That was a big question.

00:10:07.580 Um, the, the, the assumption among Republicans kind of tended to be, oh, well, of course they

00:10:15.000 do.

00:10:15.400 Why wouldn't they, uh, Mexicans are clearly super ethnocentric, like African Americans or 1.00

00:10:23.520 Jewish Americans. 0.80

00:10:25.440 And of course this is the most important issue.

00:10:28.880 They want more of their third cousins to pour across the border and drive down their wages. 1.00

00:10:33.960 Um, I, I couldn't see it.

00:10:36.940 And, you know, I don't think the way things have developed since then suggests that Karl

00:10:41.920 Rove knew that much about it.

00:10:43.980 Uh, what, what Rove knew though, was kind of the internal dynastic plans of the, of the

00:10:50.600 Bush family that, uh, they'd had one presidency.

00:10:54.980 Now they're having a second, maybe Jeb would be a third president.

00:10:59.380 And then there's Jeb's half Mexican son, George P.

00:11:03.720 Bush was kind of slated in for the 2030s to be the president of the United States that

00:11:11.680 was merging between, uh, Mexico and, uh, norte Americana.

00:11:17.860 And, and, and a half, uh, Bush, half Mexican, uh, George P was the obvious natural leader 0.70

00:11:25.840 for the middle of the 21st century in the way that Rove's Bushes, the world thought.

00:11:32.320 Um, so that, that was the dominant thinking all the way up through the 2013 Republican audit,

00:11:40.240 as they called it after, um, after Romney's defeat.

00:11:45.760 And they decided that the one thing they really had to do was, was just completely cave to the

00:11:52.660 Democrats on immigration.

00:11:55.580 Uh, it was just, let's do what the Democrats want.

00:11:59.520 They wouldn't be misleading us.

00:12:02.020 They wouldn't stab us in the back by importing more of their own voters. 0.99

00:12:07.800 Republicans.

00:12:08.360 Do you think that it also has something to do with maybe the anointed status of having

00:12:15.040 a diverse coalition?

00:12:16.940 Obviously a lot of these guys want the approval of the New York times or something and winning

00:12:21.060 a few more guys in the rust belt doesn't really go ahead and get them to any more cocktail

00:12:25.600 parties that don't get any nice, uh, articles written about their, their willingness to diversify

00:12:31.360 who they're appealing to.

00:12:32.800 Yeah.

00:12:33.280 I mean, what I call the establishment in the United States is very much aligned with the

00:12:41.860 Democratic party.

00:12:42.960 Besides the Democrats, you have the prestige press, mass media, you have academia, uh, corporations,

00:12:51.960 especially when they're, when their eyes, uh, wander away from the bottom line to getting

00:12:59.140 good PR.

00:12:59.840 You have all the cultural institutions, the sports leagues, the entertainment industry,

00:13:07.180 the NGOs, and they're, they're all roughly united.

00:13:12.160 And let's promote what the Democrats want.

00:13:14.580 And, and what do the Democrats want?

00:13:17.540 I don't think people have spent enough time thinking about the grand strategy of the Democratic

00:13:22.820 Party, which has been over roughly the quarter century of the, of this century is to ride the

00:13:33.060 growth in diversity to political dominance.

00:13:37.320 Uh, they've, as everybody knows, diversity is increasing partly because of immigration, partly

00:13:46.740 because of kind of social disintegration with the sponsorship by the establishment of new

00:13:53.540 sexual and other types of identities.

00:13:57.100 You know, we've seen transgenderism come from basically nowhere to be this massive force in 0.96

00:14:05.820 American cultural life, uh, among, you know, teenage, naive, moody teenage girls over the last 1.00

00:14:12.980 decade.

00:14:13.540 Uh, so the Democrats have positioned themselves as a party of diversity and it, there's a lot

00:14:25.820 of good mathematical reason for that.

00:14:27.980 And it's kind of working for them.

00:14:30.220 They've won the popular vote in seven of the last eight presidential elections.

00:14:35.580 There's no reason to think that, uh, America will get more unified, uh, you know, that America

00:14:45.360 won't stop kind of disintegrating into, uh, diverse groups.

00:14:50.100 Uh, the problem for the Democrats, of course, is that what they're trying to do,

00:14:55.820 is assemble what I call a coalition of the fringes and which Democrats would probably agree.

00:15:03.260 It was like a coalition of the marginalized, the margins of American, uh, society got your,

00:15:12.220 your welfare mothers, your, uh, your transgenders, uh, your, uh, entertainment industry executives, 0.71

00:15:23.420 your immigrants, your Jews, your Muslims, uh, it goes on and on.

00:15:29.980 The one thing you can look at and go is, well, how are all these diverse groups that the Democrats

00:15:37.500 have recruited?

00:15:39.260 How do they get along?

00:15:40.460 They don't really seem to like each other very much as we're seeing, like, especially with the,

00:15:46.860 with the Muslims and the Jews, you know, brawling in the streets of West Los Angeles lately. 1.00

00:15:54.300 Uh, this is not a, the thing about having a diverse coalition is it's a divisive divided coalition.

00:16:01.820 So the Democrats and all their accessories in the media and academia have come up with like,

00:16:10.300 okay, here's the one thing that can unite the coalition of the fringes, the coalition,

00:16:16.460 the margins, and that's hating core Americans.

00:16:21.740 We're just gonna, we're gonna be really resentful of people in America, the more who are more kind

00:16:29.100 of like the founding fathers demographically.

00:16:32.860 So the more you're a homeowner, you're married, you're a man, and especially you're white, you're 0.95

00:16:43.820 the enemy and we're gonna just, uh, we're, we're going to encourage our coalition of the diverse 0.91

00:16:54.060 to just, uh, resent you at all times and to speak out against you.

00:16:59.580 So over the last couple of decades, there's been just an enormous increase in the respectable media

00:17:05.580 like the New York times in terms of, uh, racist, anti-white hate.

00:17:14.060 Uh, it's just, you can read stuff that's, you know, if it was written about Jews, the anti-defamation league

00:17:21.660 would have, you know, a complete fit, but because it's written about whites and when they get specific

00:17:28.940 white men, white, uh, straight, straight white men, cisgender, straight white men, they keep 0.96

00:17:35.820 narrowing it down to allow, uh, groups to carve themselves out and go, oh, we're not the bad

00:17:42.780 straight white men. We're the, we're the straight white men who wear dresses or something. So we're good. 0.78

00:17:49.580 Um, you know, the, the, the anti-defamation league would have a fit if you just replaced

00:17:58.940 you know, if you took 10% of the op-eds in the New York times and change white to Jew, uh, you know, 0.65

00:18:06.620 the ADL would burn down the New York times headquarters, but because they write it about

00:18:11.180 whites and there are no white, uh, anti-defamation league, uh, there's nothing like that. Oh, everybody

00:18:18.140 goes, oh yeah, white supremacy, white privilege. Gotta do something about that. So. 0.71

00:18:24.860 Yeah. The, uh, the political scientist Bertrand de Juvenal called this high and low versus middle.

00:18:30.540 He said that this was the best way that throughout history to kind of use the ruling class can use

00:18:36.140 outsiders to unseat the, the, the middle that would have more of an established ability to avoid being

00:18:41.180 dependent on the state and the ruling power. I just wonder over time, how this can hold together.

00:18:47.260 Like you said, there's already, you know, so many possible fact, uh, factions inside this coalition.

00:18:52.140 It's we're seeing one fault line crack up right now. And ultimately there seems to be a huge problem

00:18:57.660 because you know, yeah, maybe this is a consequence of a multi-ethnic democracy. Maybe it's not,

00:19:02.780 but when you're aggressively going ahead and exacerbating every one of the, these kind of

00:19:07.980 fault lines, you're going to run into this issue where, like you said, we have this trans idea now,

00:19:11.980 but the one thing you can't trans is your race, even though race isn't real, but also it's,

00:19:17.980 you know, it's immutable. You can't, you can't make any changes to it, even though you can change

00:19:21.820 your genitalia at a moment's notice. It's, it's, I understand that logically they don't need to

00:19:26.300 hold together. That's not the point, but, but at some point you realize that these guys are going

00:19:30.540 to try to escape these boundaries that are kind of trying to hold the coalition together. And at

00:19:34.780 that point, the whole thing kind of dissolves, right? Yeah. I mean, during the decade of the

00:19:39.900 great awokening, going back to say 2013, um, you know, the one thing that the, uh, democratic led

00:19:48.620 establishment could agree on was who, who was at the bottom of the pyramid of

00:19:54.380 woke privilege. And it was basically guys like me, um, you know, the, the whiter you are, the straighter,

00:20:03.420 the more married, you know, you're, you're definitely the bad guy, but who's at the top of the, 0.65

00:20:11.820 uh, the totem pole and enormous competition for it for a while. Gays were getting toward the top, 1.00

00:20:21.020 but then they kind of pushed aside and coming out of nowhere, the, the trans folks, uh, you know,

00:20:29.100 women made a big, strong push and me too. But then during George Floyd, they got sent to the bottom. 0.99

00:20:36.380 Uh, you know, Jews wanted to be back on top, but quickly the Muslims, uh, have been fighting back 1.00

00:20:46.220 for the last eight months. Um, it's, it's extremely unstable. Uh, now, uh, what can be, what can be done

00:20:57.660 to undermine it? You can, one thing is you can just keep pointing out how it works. And when you,

00:21:05.820 when you talk about it, it doesn't sound very inspiring or enlightened, it just sounds like

00:21:14.620 childish politics of resentment of building a voting machine based on hate. And you know,

00:21:27.020 that the Democrats and their friends basically don't have any strategy other than encouraging hatred

00:21:34.860 of core Americans. But, uh, core Americans are especially disinclined to call out like, oh,

00:21:46.540 what you're saying is, so what you're saying is, well, that's obviously racist. You're just a big 0.96

00:21:51.580 racist. You're an anti-white racist. So you think that makes it okay. But you know, is racism really okay? 1.00

00:21:58.140 If you just, if, uh, you're just pointing at somebody who's at the bottom of the pyramid of

00:22:04.460 privilege today, I don't think so. Um, but you know, white Republicans, they don't want to call it out.

00:22:11.820 They want to call, they don't want to call what's going on racist against them. They want to, they want

00:22:18.140 to assign it some sort of grand European intellectual tradition and blame it on Marxism or it's the fault of

00:22:29.260 Foucault or some, something like that. And it's not, it's not that intelligent. It's, it's kind of

00:22:36.300 what the Democrats are doing right now. So, um, you know, just giving, we're just giving too much

00:22:43.420 credit to, to the Democrats. Yeah. I have a lot of this feeling too. You know, you look at the current

00:22:48.540 plan and the plan is to leave the borders as open as long as possible to import any and every one you 0.73

00:22:54.260 can, uh, from just these insane, insanely diverse areas. And the argument we get over and over again,

00:23:01.180 along with kind of the humanitarian aspect is these people are doing jobs that Americans won't do, 0.76

00:23:06.020 that they're going to go ahead and, you know, take all these manual labels, labor spots, the,

00:23:11.180 you know, homekeeping spots, all these things that current, uh, you know, core Americans don't want

00:23:16.060 to do. And then we end up at the scenario where we're simultaneously talking about how we're going

00:23:20.380 to automate every one of these jobs out of existence. And so it seems like the entire democratic

00:23:25.460 plan and part of the Republican plan, frankly, is just suicidal. You know, that you're basically

00:23:30.820 importing a vast population whose jobs you are actively working to eliminate. And your entire 0.72

00:23:36.820 argument is they have to do these jobs that we're working as fast as we can to make obsolete.

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00:23:54.720 Yeah. I mean, the, the Republicans tend to be dragged around by the nose, by the chamber of

00:24:03.180 commerce looks at, uh, entry level wages and, and always goes, you know, we need to get back to the

00:24:12.200 good old days of single digit pay for, for workers. You know, we're, we're paying double digits these

00:24:19.740 days, ever since Trump came in and kind of put, kind of slowed down immigration and then the wages

00:24:26.960 started going up and now we're paying 15 bucks an hour and stuff like that. You know, that's horrible.

00:24:33.740 So the Republicans are constantly, you know, undermining any kind of political strategy that

00:24:42.320 might make any sense for them just out of like, yeah, so we can make a higher, bigger bottom line right now.

00:24:47.720 One of the observations you also make in your book is that the big gap in a lot of ways, isn't just

00:24:55.140 the male female gap when it comes to electoral politics, but it's really the marriage gap and

00:25:00.240 that having a scenario where you have affordable family formation would really increase the chance

00:25:06.920 that a large amount of people convert into Republicans as they get older, just going ahead and having that

00:25:12.620 baby, having that marriage radically shapes the way that people vote, you know, over time. But we see

00:25:18.820 very little effort in that when it comes to Republicans, we'll get some kind of, you know,

00:25:23.640 noise about making something more affordable or, you know, helping people get jobs or something,

00:25:28.900 but there's never any evidence that they're interested in, you know, altering some kind of

00:25:33.160 understanding of the economic system to do their best to facilitate the creation of families.

00:25:37.720 Housing is skyrocketing out of control. It's almost impossible. And then, you know, kids are going

00:25:42.780 to school, spending a hundred thousand dollars in loans. Of course, they can't get a house when they

00:25:46.940 come out. Why don't they address this? And is there any real like actual way to go ahead and make this

00:25:52.580 happen for the right? Yeah. I mean, let me give a little of the history of my research in this

00:25:59.420 after it started after the 2000 election and then especially the 2004 election. Everybody wanted to talk

00:26:06.680 about why are there suddenly red states and blue states. And the reality was this pattern had been

00:26:13.440 emerging at least since 1988, but then Ross Perot's two runs in 92 and 96 made it harder to see.

00:26:22.440 But all of a sudden 2000 and then once again in 2004, you see this strong divide on the electoral map.

00:26:31.760 So I started looking at what drives some states to vote Republican for president? What drives other

00:26:39.420 states to vote Democratic? And one thing that really jumped out was family statistics involving

00:26:49.880 what I ultimately came down to was what percentage of white women in their younger prime, say from 18 to 44, 1.00

00:26:59.940 are married. You could also look at what their, what white fertility rate is or white legitimate 1.00

00:27:08.160 fertility rate, but the marriage one worked best of all. And it just had, you know, extreme correlation

00:27:14.860 with how states voted Republican or Democrat. And so if, if you take like the most Republican state at

00:27:23.760 that point was, was Utah and white women tend to get married fairly young, they tend to, unlike say, Oklahoma, 1.00

00:27:33.680 where the state song is all my exes are in Texas, they tend to stay married and they have kids and they 0.72

00:27:43.680 listen to the Republicans talk about family values and they go, yeah, that's for me. That's, that's what,

00:27:52.880 what's important to me. I have a family. All right. You look at other states typically where housing is

00:28:00.880 really expensive, uh, where a public school, school districts are, you know, highly bought over to get in

00:28:11.040 the good ones and you don't want to be in the bad ones, uh, places like California. Um, the, uh, whites get 1.00

00:28:20.880 married later. They have fewer kids. A lot of them don't have any kids. And so the Republican family values

00:28:29.840 talk, uh, was kind of like, yeah, that's not that relevant to me. I'm single. Uh, I may not never have

00:28:37.920 kids. Uh, what do I care about this stuff? I mean, to give you a thought experiment, consider, uh, two

00:28:46.240 identical twins, say they're girls and they grow up, they go to a state flagship college, like the Ohio

00:28:56.160 state or somewhere. And then they go on the job market looking for white collar jobs and each get

00:29:02.320 hired by a bank. Uh, one gets hired, uh, to work in downtown Dallas, the other one in downtown San

00:29:10.400 Francisco. So what's likely to be life trajectories? I mean, they're identical twins. It's, they're

00:29:18.800 bringing the exact same nature to the issue, but the nurture they get in different states depends a lot,

00:29:27.040 oddly enough on whether the suburbs can expand in 360 degrees around the, the downtown core, like in

00:29:35.760 Dallas, where they just go endlessly out into the plains. And so, uh, suburban housing prices are

00:29:43.120 pretty, pretty reasonable or in San Francisco where it's a, you know, it's this peninsula that juts into

00:29:49.840 the Pacific and surrounded by bay and mountains and so forth. And so the, the affordable home homes

00:29:58.480 tend to be like a 75 mile each way commute from Stockton. It's just miserable. So, you know, in,

00:30:07.760 in the San Francisco Bay area, you kind of have to be a real winner in the, in the job competition to

00:30:16.560 really afford the, the house with a yard and a nice school district and so forth. And so it gets

00:30:23.280 people to move there who really are winners and they do real well for themselves, but kind of average

00:30:28.960 people, not so good. They may end up like never quite being able to afford to get married or to have a

00:30:37.760 kid or to have a second child or something like that. And so the whole family value stuff that the

00:30:45.040 Republicans before Trump, at least, uh, kind of centered around, it's just irrelevant to, to that.

00:30:53.040 So, uh, that's perfectly natural. What can be done? Well, some of its geography, you know,

00:30:58.640 you're never going to be able to, to change San Francisco into Dallas because if you look at a map,

00:31:04.400 there's just all these mountains and deep water everywhere. But I mean, what you can do is you can

00:31:10.640 encourage home building. Um, you can do things that just bake, basically make, try to make life a

00:31:19.440 little easier so people can get married and have children. And, you know, so you kind of grow your own

00:31:26.720 voters that way. The Democrats do it with immigration. They do it through encouraging social decay.

00:31:33.280 Uh, you know, they've got a plan. The Republicans never really had a plan.

00:31:39.040 It sounds like in a lot of ways, population density is the enemy of family formation.

00:31:43.680 And if we're only going to have a society where our population density is going to increase,

00:31:49.200 then we're continuously looking at a losing battle for the GOP, right?

00:31:53.440 Yeah. I mean, you can have dense parts of the population. Uh, I mean, one, one thing you have

00:32:03.280 to do is to have people live densely is you have to have a lot of law and order. Um, you know,

00:32:11.360 you can see it like in the last midterm election, uh, the one part of the country where the Republicans

00:32:18.960 did real well running on the issue of this giant wave of crime that took off like within

00:32:27.680 six days of George Floyd's death in May, 2020 was in the New York city area. I mean, people in the

00:32:36.160 suburbs of New York, they often have to, to go into the big city and they appreciated the, the strong

00:32:45.840 anti-crime push from the nineties onward, like mayor Giuliani, mayor Bloomberg and police chief

00:32:54.000 Braddon. New York city went five straight, uh, mayoral elections with the democratic nominee losing.

00:33:04.320 And that did wonders for the crime rate in New York. And it made life better for everybody who had to

00:33:10.400 deal with it, deal with New York city other than the criminals. Uh, now on the other hand, you know,

00:33:18.000 if you commute to work and you're F-150 and you can kind of avoid, uh, you know, having crime affect

00:33:28.080 you. And other than the sense that, well, there's good places to spend my time and those tend to be

00:33:34.560 more expensive than if the whole place was safe. Uh, so yeah, I'm, I'm in favor of, uh, you know,

00:33:44.480 law and order in general, just cause I don't like crime, you know, I'm against murder. Uh, but it's

00:33:52.240 also good for Republicans. It's like, oh yeah, we can afford to have another kid. We could afford to

00:33:58.080 move here or, you know, uh, that most areas are safe.

00:34:04.320 So speaking of crime and specifically statistics, one of the things that's gotten a lot of guys like

00:34:09.520 you and Charles Murray into trouble is being able to go ahead and read into a large amounts of data

00:34:15.440 and kind of understand the situation that we have going on. A lot of the ruling class's current

00:34:21.680 political formula relies on the idea that their managerial expertise uniquely qualifies

00:34:27.920 them to go ahead and run things, right? Like they have the science on their side. They're the ones

00:34:32.240 that, that monopolize data. They're the ones that understand how society needs to be ordered.

00:34:37.680 And yet it seems like they're constantly running away from the kind of data that you and Murray have

00:34:42.080 addressed. Is this a critical flaw in kind of the, the, the, the way that our current elites hold power

00:34:47.600 because data seems to only be accumulating more and more and they seem to have to run from it

00:34:52.720 faster and faster to justify the policies they're trying to implement. Yeah, exactly. I mean,

00:34:57.280 I was in the marketing research business in the eighties and the nineties and, you know,

00:35:05.440 I've always been a baseball statistics fan. I'm, I'm your basic kind of, uh, I was your basic kind of

00:35:12.240 frequent flyer guy who, uh, read Moneyball, like I call Lewis. Um, I just take the, uh, those kinds,

00:35:22.400 I just apply those kinds of skills to like looking at the political and social issues of our time.

00:35:29.920 Uh, so, but you know, what, what the establishment has managed to do is totally censor, uh,

00:35:41.280 widespread knowledge of what's going on with crime rates and what's going on with car crash rates,

00:35:48.400 which have turned out to become highly correlated during the various black lives matter eras.

00:35:55.760 Uh, so you had, you know, a crime was generally dropping up through about 2014 and then the

00:36:05.920 establishment decided, all right, that's good enough. What we need to do is start letting people

00:36:10.480 out of prison. We need less law and order. It's law and order is the new Jim Crow. It's racist to

00:36:18.640 arrest guys just cause they're packing an illegal handgun and they have three outstanding warrants

00:36:26.400 and they were driving 85 miles an hour down the street. That's racist. We should, you know,

00:36:32.720 the cops should pull back retreat to the donut shop. So they tried that with Ferguson where black lives 1.00

00:36:41.120 matter emerged as this kind of sacred cause of the American establishment and quickly the black 0.94

00:36:49.520 death by homicide rate started going up in exactly the places where BLM triumphed in the St. Louis area

00:36:56.880 and Baltimore and Chicago. What people didn't notice at the time, I just saw it a couple times and then

00:37:04.320 I didn't follow up on it after 2016 was that so were traffic fatalities going up in exactly those places

00:37:13.520 where the cops were pulling back and like, okay, you don't want us to pull over black skies because

00:37:21.280 then sometimes they fight back and then we look bad on video. All right, we're going to pull over fewer

00:37:28.640 bad drivers. Oh, and then people notice and go, hey, I can speed. I can drive drunk. It's great.

00:37:35.520 Uh, I can, you know, when I go to a party, I can bring my illegal handgun and I probably won't get pulled

00:37:41.280 over by the cops and patted down and sent off to jail for having a gun just because I'm a convicted felon.

00:37:49.040 And so then people, if they managed to arrive at their party without getting in a car crash

00:37:57.280 and somebody dissed them at the party, well, then they got their guns stuck in their waistband and

00:38:02.000 they can pull it out and kind of ventilate the guy who's insulting them and maybe three or four people

00:38:08.240 standing around in the background. So you just had this huge increase in the mid 2000s,

00:38:15.200 uh, 2010s in the number of mass shootings with four or more wounded or killed. Uh, what I,

00:38:24.000 what occurred to me was if you get you, you, there's two types of mass shootings with four

00:38:31.120 or more victims. There's the ones where there's more killed than wounded. And those are the rarer

00:38:36.880 kind, but they get much more publicity. They're the Columbine type where the, where the shooter has

00:38:41.760 decided ahead of time, like, I'm not coming home. This is it. Uh, maybe, maybe I won't kill myself,

00:38:50.400 but I'm going to prison forever. So I'm going to hang around and finish off all the wounded. 0.86

00:38:57.040 Thank, thankfully there's, they're rare, but they're horrific when they happen. Those kinds of shooters,

00:39:03.840 mass shooters tend to be white or Asian, Hispanic, occasionally black, but not much. There's the 0.96

00:39:11.280 other kind of mass shooter who's like, I'm going to kill that guy. And if I miss him with three quarters 1.00

00:39:17.520 of my bullets and hit a bunch of people standing around eating ribs in the background at the block 0.73

00:39:22.480 party, that's okay. That just shows I'm a bad man, but I'm not going to like let myself get arrested.

00:39:29.440 I'm going to go hang out. I'm going to go hang out at my grandma's house for a few days until this

00:39:34.960 whole mass shooting thing blows over. And the New York Times did a big investigation in 2016,

00:39:40.800 looked at every mass shooting in the United States in 2015 and realized, yeah, about close to 75% have 0.95

00:39:50.320 black shooters and black victims. It's typically black social events, a funeral, a rap concert, 0.98

00:39:57.840 and it tend to happen on Saturday night. It's just, it's an enormous, the black, blacks die by homicide 0.99

00:40:06.320 about an order of magnitude more than whites do. Nobody's allowed to know that statistic. 0.97

00:40:14.240 If you bring it up, you're supposed to immediately blame it on white supremacy,

00:40:19.120 on FDR's redlining on Emmett Till's murder. You know, you just make up some sort of antiquarian

00:40:27.600 excuse, but you're not supposed to go like, oh, wow, that's 10 times worse. That's really bad.

00:40:35.280 You know, blacks should probably try harder to do something about it so they don't shoot each other 1.00

00:40:39.840 so much. All right. So, so the government, so the establishment did a great job ever since George 0.98

00:40:50.240 Floyd in suppressing public understanding of what was going on. If you, what I discovered in 2021 was

00:41:01.280 there was a distinct correlation once again, just as during the Ferguson effect, during the Floyd effect,

00:41:08.800 of deaths by homicide going up and so, and also deaths by car crash. Blacks died by homicide in the year

00:41:18.800 2021, the year after George Floyd, 44% more than they died by homicide in 2019, the year before. Blacks died in 0.87

00:41:29.680 motor vehicle accidents 39% more in 2021 when Black Lives Matter was riding super high than they had 0.97

00:41:40.400 in 2019. That's just historically unprecedented. It's horrible. Why were blacks dying so much more?

00:41:50.000 Well, the media, when they, if they ever bring it up, they go, well, it was obviously the pandemic,

00:41:54.240 not that the pandemic drove up other groups, death rates anywhere near as much. And the pandemic happened

00:42:03.520 all over the world and Canada and Germany and Japan and Mexico didn't see anything like that.

00:42:11.200 But it had to be the pandemic. It couldn't possibly be the American establishment declaring the racial

00:42:18.240 reckoning at the end of May, 2020. And then you instantly see homicide and car crash rates go

00:42:25.920 through the roof for young blacks over the next few days. You can look at it. It's like Chicago in its long 1.00

00:42:34.720 storied history of murder at its most lethal, most homicidal day ever on May 31st, 2026 days after

00:42:45.200 George Floyd's death with 18 people getting murdered in Chicago. Why? Because the cops were all downtown

00:42:52.480 trying to stop, uh, the, uh, looting of the magnificent mile. And anyway, the cops were like, you know,

00:43:01.520 everybody hates us and they want to, they want to ruin our lives and send us to prison like this Derek

00:43:07.200 Chauvin guy. So are we going to, are we going to destroy our lives? Just trying to, trying to help

00:43:13.840 people who hate us? Hell no. Uh, you know, let's go get a donut. So we had this gigantic increase

00:43:23.920 in crime, especially black on black crime because of the triumph of Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter 0.98

00:43:32.080 got vast numbers of incremental blacks murdered and splattered on the pavement in car crashes. 0.95

00:43:39.440 And you're not supposed to know that. Why? Uh, I mean, they'll tell you it's, well, it's racist 0.60

00:43:46.720 to be well informed, but it's mostly because the establishment just screwed up massively. They

00:43:53.360 believe Black Lives Matter's nonsense and they pushed the racial reckoning. And of course it completely 0.98

00:44:02.000 backfired and got over 10,000, probably I'm guessing 15 to 20,000 incremental black lives killed

00:44:13.840 in the, in the years since George Floyd. Good job. Heck of a job BLM as, as George W. Bush would say.

00:44:23.360 Yeah. Anecdotally, I know several police officers who said, we got the call basically from the top

00:44:28.960 saying, if you, you know, you get a call from this neighborhood, you just don't go anymore. We just

00:44:32.560 don't bother. It's off limits. And I know from my own personal experience, when I was teaching high

00:44:37.600 school during this time, I was in a minority, uh, majority school and basically you weren't allowed

00:44:43.680 to have any discipline because anytime you had any form of discipline, that increased the overall number

00:44:48.880 of minority students who were suspended. And the one thing we can't see is that number go up. We don't

00:44:54.000 care about how dangerous the school is becoming. And this inevitably read to led to multiple like

00:44:59.600 prison riot style fights in my school, like just sprawling 20, 30 kids all battling on the bottom

00:45:05.920 floor of the school where everyone's hooting and hollering from the steps. You know, this is the kind

00:45:10.320 of thing that is enabled when you make these concessions to try to manipulate numbers. We're

00:45:15.040 going to drive these numbers down. We don't want the bad data. We don't want people to draw the wrong

00:45:18.800 conclusions, which ended up doing is creating a wildly dangerous environment. And when the inevitable

00:45:23.680 pressure cooker goes off, the only thing left to do is say, well, probably racism, I guess.

00:45:30.320 Yeah. I mean, the, the people who run things, uh, had this logic that they told us about over and

00:45:41.440 over and over again about who are the bad guys in American society, in American history. And they're

00:45:49.680 basically white men. And if we can only reduce the power of white men and tear down their statues and, 0.99

00:45:58.880 and humiliate them and, and push them out of the good, important jobs and so forth, then society will 0.97

00:46:06.640 become so much better. And then of course, you know, instantly it went the other way. Uh, the murder

00:46:14.320 weight rate went through the roof, the car crash rate went through the roof. Uh, your, you know,

00:46:20.960 your toothbrushes got locked up at CVS and you had to wait around to have somebody unlock the toothbrush

00:46:27.520 case. You know what, uh, you know, we'd actually made some progress toward making our cities, uh, livable

00:46:35.280 people. And the, the, the, the people running things pissed it all away just over, you know,

00:46:43.520 George Floyd. I mean, they'd been looking for something for the longest time, but it's this

00:46:48.480 giant own goal. And, you know, so one of the things I do is I make up a lot of graphs going,

00:46:55.600 Hey, if you look at this, you know, wow. The, the week that George Floyd died, suddenly the black 0.99

00:47:04.120 murder rate went through the roof and it stayed high for the next three years. And hopefully it's

00:47:11.000 finally coming down now, but what a disaster, a self-inflicted disaster, um, on, on America,

00:47:20.440 the fabric of American life, but people don't know about it because the media, you know, basically

00:47:27.560 has been conspiring to tell everybody, well, that was obviously the pandemic. Uh, we can't

00:47:33.560 explain why it was the pandemic. Uh, all these tests suggest, no, it was basically George Floyd,

00:47:43.560 racial reckoning, but what we've done now, you know, to disprove that we've just memory, memory

00:47:48.840 hold the whole racial reckoning, George Floyd, BLM thing. We don't talk about it anymore. Uh, which

00:47:55.640 actually seems to be doing some good, um, in terms of the crime rate, the less the establishment talks

00:48:03.560 about how evil the cops are and evil white men are, uh, the less, uh, crime there is, uh, maybe they

00:48:13.240 should draw a lesson from that, but more likely if they make it through the next election, they're just 0.93

00:48:19.240 going to go right back to what they were doing under Trump's first term or yeah, if they, or it'll,

00:48:27.000 it'll be like in 2009 to 12, uh, Obama tried to put a lid on his, uh, more liberal, radical,

00:48:39.640 progressive staffers and like, okay, let's keep the, the anti-white hate button down until after the

00:48:47.640 election. And then after the election, it's like, okay, we did it. Uh, we got one more, we got another

00:48:53.640 term, you guys go do what you want. And, uh, so you got the great awokening emerged around 2013,

00:49:01.080 which turned out to be a huge disaster. So, you know, uh, the Democrats and the media are trying to

00:49:09.080 like, let's, let's forget about what we were saying in 2020. We're just, we're not going to mention

00:49:14.280 that never happened. It was all the pandemic. Yeah. It feels like radio, radio Rwanda is not

00:49:19.240 going to get turned down for, for very long. One more question before, uh, I go to the questions

00:49:24.520 from the audience. I wanted to ask you, uh, one thing that Charles Murray and Christopher Lash and

00:49:30.200 others have talked about, they're concerned about is the IQ stratification inside of society, creating

00:49:37.000 this haven't had have not scenario where all of the wealth, all of the opportunity is increasingly,

00:49:43.000 uh, just, uh, uh, focused on those who have certain levels of IQ. It's only achievable by

00:49:49.240 those that can go ahead and do certain, uh, certain complex processes. And we also are creating a

00:49:54.520 scenario where we're kind of skimming that IQ from throughout the country, concentrating it into

00:49:59.960 universities and particular professions and certain cities. And this means that we're going to

00:50:04.760 continually get like a class that's going to qualify for these things. And then everyone else is kind

00:50:10.040 of going to be left behind as we simultaneously start to race towards just going ahead and making

00:50:16.920 as many jobs as possible on that lower end of the bell curve obsolete. Do you see a change on the

00:50:23.800 horizon? Do you see a solution to this problem, a shift in public policy? I know Murray has talked a

00:50:29.720 lot about UBI, but do you think that there's a, a way that the country is going to be able to address

00:50:34.600 this or is this just one of those oncoming trains that we're just not going to get out of the way of

00:50:39.640 until it hits us? Yeah. You talked earlier about a high, low coalition versus the middle, and that

00:50:47.080 wasn't as detrimental when the economic forces and the cultural forces were increasing the size of the

00:50:55.480 middle. In recent times, it's pretty much the middle has been getting hammered, especially the lower

00:51:06.120 middle, the kind of, kind of people who could get a union job at an assembly line in the past and

00:51:12.760 buy a house and get married and have kids and, you know, take a driving vacation to the national parks,

00:51:19.400 that kind of thing. Uh, you know, those, those people look back and go, oh, that was a lot better.

00:51:26.840 Uh, in the, you know, the mid-century part of the period in American history. Um, what,

00:51:35.000 what I don't know about in, uh, so one thing you could do clearly is tone down the immigration 1.00

00:51:44.040 level. Uh, don't import a whole lot of people at the bottom and be careful about importing people

00:51:52.680 toward the top. You know, you want, you want the Elon Musk's and Linus Torvalds and a few superstars,

00:52:01.000 but do you need a whole bunch of nondescript coders? You know, Americans can't really learn to code. 0.99

00:52:10.440 I don't know. Um, but you know, there is a wild card here, which is artificial intelligence.

00:52:18.200 And, you know, I, I spent decades, you know, hearing about artificial intelligence on the job

00:52:26.360 in the 20th century. I, I spent a lot of time talking to the AI experts at the companies I worked

00:52:32.760 for. And it, you know, honestly, I was always like, yeah, yeah, this stuff will be here. You know,

00:52:40.200 in the 22nd century or something. And then a couple of years ago, boom, it started to really

00:52:46.920 sort of arrive. And I'm kind of clueless as to what the long-term implications are that you can

00:52:55.880 take a whole bunch of white collar jobs and maybe, uh, go, okay, we don't, yeah, we don't really need 0.73

00:53:04.200 a college graduate to sit at home and write emails all day. We can, we can make this 90% more efficient

00:53:12.840 by having a robot do it. Uh, what's that going to do? I mean, do we end up in a society where,

00:53:19.240 where basically there's one good job, which is artificial intelligence engineer, and then

00:53:26.360 everything else gets automated. That's, I don't know. There's a lot of people that have opinions

00:53:32.920 and I'm like, eh, I'm, I'm 65. I didn't see it coming. I should have, but I didn't. So don't ask

00:53:41.400 me what's going to happen. Yeah. There's a great question. What, what did journalists do when they

00:53:45.880 can't even be told learn to code? Right. Well, like when that, when even learn to code is no longer a,

00:53:50.200 uh, uh, a good advice for switching. I mean, I, I, I'm, I'm not seeing my particular job

00:53:58.040 be outmoded by artificial intelligence since, since the way I define my job is to come up with things

00:54:06.360 that are true, new, interesting, and funny. And artificial intelligence has problems

00:54:14.520 so far just with the true part. Maybe they'll get around that, but to come up with something new,

00:54:19.800 uh, maybe, but not what we're seeing so far, but I'm not going to like,

00:54:27.880 you know, I'm not, I'm not going to say, oh, well, it's nothing to worry about because,

00:54:32.200 because I'll be okay for, you know, limited number of rest of the rest of years of my life.

00:54:37.640 Um, so they, you know, I don't, I don't really have a clue. I didn't see it coming. It's here.

00:54:47.240 Uh, and it's big. It's so often the case, you just don't know what's going to come to the,

00:54:52.600 down the pipeline next. So you can, all you can really do is try to adjust as things come around.

00:54:58.440 All right. So we've got a few questions from the audience before we switch to that. Steve, uh,

00:55:02.920 where can people get your book and where should they look for your writing? Well, let's see. Um,

00:55:08.680 my book is called noticing it's an anthology of my best stuff, uh, basically from 1994 onward.

00:55:21.080 Uh, you know, a lot of good, a lot of kind of the more important articles I've written. It's kind

00:55:26.680 of organized in a way that you can kind of understand, uh, sailor thought it's, uh, you know,

00:55:33.400 the table of contents does a pretty good job of introducing me and in my concepts. Um, it's, uh,

00:55:41.160 it's available, uh, from, you can order it directly mail order from passage press, just, uh, you know,

00:55:50.040 type in passage press and, uh, paperback is 29 95. Uh, you can get, uh, free shipping within the United

00:55:59.240 States with, uh, the promo codes, uh, uh, Stancil or Wilson. These are a couple of inside jokes about

00:56:08.040 guys that the publisher doesn't like. Um, okay. Well, if you're overseas, uh, shipping is,

00:56:16.040 is more expensive. Uh, you can, uh, do Amazon Kindle instant download, no shipping charge. Uh,

00:56:25.800 you can, you can compare the, uh, shipping costs at Amazon to passage. I mean, if you're domestically,

00:56:31.720 I'd rather you buy it from passage because then me and my publishers of passage get to keep the money.

00:56:39.400 Uh, and we don't have to share it with Jeff Bezos at Amazon, who I'm told already has a lot of

00:56:45.960 money. Uh, but you know, Bezos got where he is by being really good at, at global logistics. So

00:56:54.760 if, if you're in Australia or whatever, uh, you know, might save a lot of money on delivering

00:57:01.480 via Amazon. So just go to Amazon, Steve sailor, noticing sailor is spelled by the way S as in Sam,

00:57:09.160 A I L E as in Edward are, uh, not, not like Popeye the sailor. Yeah. And I, I can go ahead and, uh,

00:57:17.560 endorse it guys. I've got the copy myself. It's really nice, uh, nicely put together. Passage

00:57:22.920 always does a great job with it. Yeah. Yeah. It's they, they like quality physical books. Um,

00:57:29.080 what else, where else can you read me? I've got a new sub stack, uh, Steve sailor,

00:57:35.160 all one word dot net. And you can subscribe, uh, posting their daily lately. Um, and you can follow

00:57:45.560 me on Twitter, uh, or X or whatever Elon Musk calls it these days. Uh, once again, Steve sailor,

00:57:53.720 um, and you'll be able to find me there. I get, I'm up to like 128,000 followers at this point.

00:58:00.760 Um, and you know, got some good running jokes on Twitter. Absolutely. All right, guys. Well,

00:58:07.020 I'm sure most of you are already following Steve, but make sure you go ahead and do that. If you are

00:58:10.780 not, uh, some comments from the, uh, audience here. Uh, well, actually he says no comments or

00:58:17.960 questions, only just, uh, only much gratitude to Steve and Ornn. Well, thank you, Raspi Block.

00:58:22.820 Appreciate that. Uh, Cooper Rito says it's really sad watching normies in the pop culture sphere,

00:58:27.940 try and talk about noticing. It's so clear that they, they don't get it at all. Everything is so

00:58:32.880 politicized. I just want to consume. Yeah. There's definitely a, uh, desire to not look at a lot of

00:58:39.680 these issues, but again, I think that's why it's so important that people have the, yeah, I mean,

00:58:43.620 I mean, for example, uh, one of the, you know, one subject I'm really fascinated by

00:58:51.620 are statistical analyses of sports. And I spent a lot of time thinking about the impact of race

00:58:58.280 on, uh, in, on sports performance, which you can see on TV around the clock. It's, it's not, uh,

00:59:05.920 at all subtle or anything like that. Uh, we'll see it at the Olympics, uh, coming up and, you know,

00:59:11.780 in the hundred meter dash, uh, the men's final of the hundred meter dash since the 1984 Los Angeles

00:59:20.060 Olympics, uh, 79 of the 80 finalists have been, uh, men with at least one sub-Saharan African

00:59:28.680 parent, uh, one Chinese guy made it last time. Uh, now what does that tell us? Well,

00:59:37.600 tells us, yeah, there does appear to be what I call human biodiversity and has some impact on the

00:59:44.820 world. Uh, people of different racial ancestries are sometimes better at one thing than at another 1.00

00:59:52.760 thing. And I look at the sports world and go, yeah, okay. That's, that's obvious. And you know

00:59:58.360 what? We can live with that. Uh, a problem that normies have is that they sort of assume that if they

01:00:05.960 notice it, mention it, then all of a sudden people can't live with it anymore. And so we just shouldn't

01:00:13.620 ever think about it, but no, I mean, my, my view is, yeah, you should think about sports. It's kind

01:00:19.960 of a level playing field. It gives you a lot of really good analogies and insights and how other

01:00:25.620 things work. And guess what? Sports work pretty well with people being relatively straightforward

01:00:32.940 about how they think. So, you know, learn from sports.

01:00:39.420 We've got, uh, Torin McCabe here says, sailor says that the best thing to do is to point out

01:00:44.700 their anti-whiteness noticing. It may be the best thing, but is it the only thing necessary? Or do we

01:00:50.480 need Rufo politics or white identity politics?

01:00:54.680 I mean, Chris Rufo has been extraordinarily effective over the last few years since 2020.

01:01:01.960 The guy's just really good at, at picking projects and making them happen. Uh, so I would say pay a lot

01:01:11.860 of attention to Mr. Rufo. He's good at it. Um, you know, I'm, I was a marketing researcher,

01:01:18.940 not a marketer. When I tried to, to do a few marketing things, it always like completely failed

01:01:25.960 because I just wasn't right on the, on the wavelength of consumers. Uh, you know, Chris

01:01:31.840 has been brilliant about it. So I'd say pay a lot of attention to him.

01:01:37.360 Yeah. Certainly one of the most effective actors when it comes to right-wing politics in a very long

01:01:41.440 time. And then, uh, Robert Weinsfield here says, uh, what would you recommend to make this better?

01:01:47.260 Sorry, that's kind of unconnected to a particular topic. So don't know how to answer that, but thank

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - June 26, 2024

The War on Noticing ｜ Guest： Steve Sailer ｜ 6⧸26⧸24

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