The Auron MacIntyre Show - They're Eating the ICE Agents ｜ Guests： Matthew Williams and Kevin Dolan ｜ 1⧸26⧸26

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00:00:30.000 Hey, everybody. How's it going?

00:00:32.000 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:33.000 I've got a great stream with some great guests

00:00:35.000 that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:37.000 I promise at some point we'll get back to like political theory.

00:00:40.000 But right now, you know, they're trying to pop off a civil war in Minnesota.

00:00:44.000 So, there's really no better practical application

00:00:46.000 of our theoretical understanding of politics

00:00:48.000 than you like people trying to start a hot war in the middle of the country.

00:00:52.000 So, we're going to be talking a little more about that.

00:00:55.000 Things have gotten crazy.

00:00:56.000 Protesters and ICE agents have lost fingers.

00:00:59.000 We'll get into some cannibalism that has been involved in this whole thing. 0.85

00:01:04.000 It really is centered around another shooting that has taken place.

00:01:08.000 Many different angles.

00:01:09.000 Many different theories about how this went down.

00:01:11.000 Does this mean we have to end ICE operations in Minnesota?

00:01:15.000 A lot of people seem to think so.

00:01:17.000 Especially some people who otherwise, you know,

00:01:19.000 keep talking about how ICE needs to do a better job or deport more people.

00:01:23.000 So, we're going to get into all that today.

00:01:25.000 Joining me to discuss this is, of course, Mr. Kevin Dolan from The Exit Group.

00:01:30.000 Hey, good to be here.

00:01:32.000 And everyone's favorite frog, Mr. Matthew Williams.

00:01:35.000 Thank you so much for coming on.

00:01:36.000 Thank you for having me on, Oren.

00:01:37.000 Always a pleasure.

00:01:38.000 Absolutely.

00:01:39.000 We're going to go into all the happenings.

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00:03:13.000 All right, guys, let's dive in because so much is happening.

00:03:17.000 It's hard to know where to even start.

00:03:19.000 Right before I joined the stream, people were tweeting out that some protester had had her

00:03:25.000 fingers blown off by nonlethal ammunition from ice.

00:03:30.000 It looks like now people are saying that actually she tried to pick up a flashbang grenade that

00:03:35.000 was thrown down and it went off in her hand.

00:03:38.000 So, you know, we're getting a lot of this.

00:03:40.000 We're getting a lot of, oh, well, ice is out there.

00:03:43.000 They're kidnapping children.

00:03:44.000 They're, you know, blowing people's fingers off.

00:03:47.000 And the vast majority of this stuff just turns out to be like, oh, actually, these illegal

00:03:51.000 immigrants left this child, abandoned this child. 1.00

00:03:54.000 Actually, no, this idiot like ran in and grabbed this flashbang.

00:03:59.000 We're going to get to the biggest controversy, which is the shooting itself.

00:04:03.000 But Kevin, why don't you start by talking a little bit about the role that propaganda

00:04:10.000 and the control of the narrative flow, how that impacts a military or police operation

00:04:17.000 in a high pressure situation like this?

00:04:19.000 Yeah.

00:04:20.000 So, I mean, it's intended to place you in the role of judge.

00:04:23.000 It's intended to place you in the role of like you get to decide how you feel morally

00:04:28.000 about this incredibly complicated moment that most people have no context for.

00:04:35.000 The number of people in the United States who've been in like any kind of physical altercation

00:04:40.000 whatsoever is is quite low.

00:04:43.000 And and so, you know, they want it.

00:04:47.000 They want to encourage you to like put yourself insinuate yourself and encourage you to litigate

00:04:52.000 this scene, which I mean, this particular one with this pretty guy, I can't even make heads

00:05:00.000 or tails of it like it's it's I have no idea what's even going on in that in that video.

00:05:04.000 And I guess, you know, the one of Alinsky's rules for radicals is like freeze the target

00:05:11.000 and personalize it.

00:05:12.000 And it's all about creating a personalized individual narrative that sort of says it all

00:05:21.000 about whatever you're trying to get people to feel or think or do.

00:05:24.000 And I think it's a mistake for us to like.

00:05:31.000 Take the other side of that bet and say like, well, you know, I think because of the following

00:05:37.000 like 50 reasons that it was actually a righteous shoot like that's just the wrong frame, in my opinion.

00:05:43.000 And and it never I mean, you look at the Somali cop that shot that white girl and like or the guy who got

00:05:53.000 whacked by the FBI because he tweeted things about Biden in Utah, actually.

00:05:58.000 And it's like these these.

00:06:02.000 You're not encouraged to relitigate those because they don't fit the narrative that's being tried that they're trying to to propagate.

00:06:09.000 And so it's entirely about like where the camera is pointed.

00:06:13.000 And one of the sort of hallmarks of like the way the left thinks about these things is they interpret their willingness to be like steered by the camera and respond emotionally the way they're supposed to respond.

00:06:28.000 Like that's what being a good person is to them.

00:06:31.000 And I think one of the one of the things we have to do is sort of step away from that and say, like, no, I actually am not going to care about whatever you decide to like point me in front of like a, you know, like a pack animal.

00:06:44.000 I'm going to think about the big picture.

00:06:46.000 I'm going to think about what this I'm going to decide for myself what all of this means.

00:06:50.000 Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

00:06:53.000 Sure. It's been incredibly frustrating to watch a lot of people who otherwise understand or say they understand the severity of the situation.

00:07:03.000 Talk about this as if they don't know that the left is operating this way, that they aren't creating this tension.

00:07:10.000 Because, Matthew, they've released a signal chat in which a large number of Antifa sympathizers left us in Minnesota or active Antifa members are coordinating together to try to create these situations.

00:07:26.000 And we're not just talking like random, you know, Soros activists, though I'm sure there are many on there.

00:07:31.000 We're talking about advisors to Tim Walls, local politicians, local media figures and academic like there is a who's who of like straight up cathedral members.

00:07:43.000 Right. These are not just on there. Right. I'm sorry. Lieutenant Governor was on there. Right.

00:07:48.000 I believe that has recently come out. Yes, as well. Right. And so we have this scenario where we know that the government is top down coordinating this.

00:07:56.000 This this is not in any way organic. This is not in any way, you know, just people out there, you know, legally observing and showing, you know, that this situation is exactly the one they wanted put in for.

00:08:10.220 And look, we'll get into the shoot itself. But even if it's a bad shoot, we'll just say, OK, even if it was a bad shoot, did you think you're going to deport 20 million people without one bad law enforcement interaction?

00:08:21.900 Like what kind of adult has that outlook when you have police, you know, what interact with maybe 10,000 people a year in a large city?

00:08:32.340 Maybe that seems like even hot, really high. You're going to get some bad police interactions.

00:08:36.980 You thought 20 million wasn't going to bring anything. It just it just seems kind of infantile to me.

00:08:41.640 I don't know, Matthew, what have you been seeing? Yeah.

00:08:44.200 Yeah. And I mean, it's so important for us to look at the context of how previous revolutionary events have happened in the United States.

00:08:51.140 When we hear phrases like the legal observers, I'm instantly reminded of Brian Burroughs Days of Rage, where the legal observer term was really coined and spearheaded by the National Lawyers Guild,

00:09:02.340 which had been, you know, the place, the one stop shop for all sorts of planning for Antifa and other revolutionary groups to have legal representation in ways in which they can skirt the law or have the legal means to get away with the actions that they're doing.

00:09:17.520 So, I mean, these are playbooks and things that we've seen happen in the past.

00:09:20.840 We just have better technology to find and infiltrate and do so.

00:09:24.460 In fact, I was seeing people pass around various little programs from Google and, of course, through all sorts of through Reddit and other social medias that there are ways in which people are trying to find applications in which they can get coordinated or organized with other individuals or learn how to resist authoritarianism.

00:09:41.060 And at the same time, over and over, we see on CNN that we're seeing invocations of the great civic religion where ICE is now all of a sudden going to put people into ovens in the middle of freezing cold Minnesota.

00:09:51.460 Imagery aside, it just comes to show that everyone is on board and on message when it comes to the left.

00:09:58.260 There is very much blood and soil nativism when it comes to, you know, the federal government coming into Minnesota to do its job, elected on the mandate to deport, you know, millions and millions of people who are in this country illegally, not to mention some that have overstayed their visa.

00:10:12.020 All these things to me, what I've been seeing has been deliberate interactions with federal law enforcement to create optically gray, you know, optically unsure sort of shootings or interactions in which they can then point to their various media heads and figures and to mobilize millions of people towards, you know, generating public opinion.

00:10:35.040 And as Kevin had said, you know, it's trying to frame you inside whatever the phone camera is going to tell you to do so.

00:10:40.720 And the fandomization of the news has been an ongoing phenomenon for decades now.

00:10:45.960 And for those that are younger than us, they all rely on someone that they go to to more or less, you know, offshore and outsource their moral opinions to.

00:10:56.180 So if the person they like to watch is saying that this is evil or this is bad, then they're going to believe it.

00:11:02.940 And I agree with Kevin wholeheartedly that we can't allow ourselves to simply buy into whatever frame that they're pointing us to.

00:11:09.080 We need to look at the bigger picture.

00:11:10.320 And the bigger picture is that from the top down, the state of Minnesota, as well as many Minneapolis officials, have either willingly or have directly coordinated with multimillion, if not billion dollars of fraud.

00:11:22.060 The Minnesota taxpayer is the largest funder of Al-Shabaab.

00:11:25.480 It certainly seems to be that way from recent reports.

00:11:28.220 And on top of all of this, they're actively stopping and interfering with federal law enforcement officials on the issue that the federal government has supreme authority over, which is the national sovereignty of our borders and immigration.

00:11:40.760 So if anything, we're witnessing insurrection play out in real time and more evidence seems to come out that that's exactly what they're doing.

00:11:47.120 Yeah, it really is wild.

00:11:50.380 And to both of your points about, you know, the focusing in, you know, the whole reason I named the stream, this is literally one of these like absolute animals bit the finger off of an ICE agent.

00:12:03.040 I can't show you because YouTube.

00:12:05.240 But why are we seeing a thousand videos of that?

00:12:08.240 Why are people breaking down the play by play on that?

00:12:11.140 It's gruesome.

00:12:12.300 It's vicious.

00:12:12.960 Right.

00:12:13.620 But we don't see any of that because this is what the focus has to be.

00:12:17.760 Right.

00:12:17.920 Like this is the debating over this narrative has now become the entire the entire game.

00:12:23.960 And you're seeing the fact that Tim Walz was already in a terrible situation.

00:12:30.220 You know, as you point out, Matthew, the fraud story had broken.

00:12:33.960 There was going to be a huge backlash.

00:12:36.140 That news cycle was going to hurt the Democrats.

00:12:39.000 They knew it.

00:12:40.200 And Tim Walz was stepping down.

00:12:42.240 He wasn't going to run for being governed anymore.

00:12:43.960 He's basically politically ruined out of the whole thing.

00:12:46.620 And oh, what do you know?

00:12:48.420 All of a sudden there's this manufactured show and all of a sudden ICE is coming in and we've got to have this knockdown.

00:12:55.020 Now, Wallz has just said, apparently, Trump has announced this, that he is willing to cooperate with ICE.

00:13:03.200 And if his officers cooperate with ICE and bring the illegals out, then ICE operations will cease in the area. 0.90

00:13:12.600 Now, some people are saying, well, that would be a retreat by Trump.

00:13:16.880 But I think at this point, you know, that was always the situation.

00:13:19.720 The reason we're not seeing these incidents in red states isn't because they aren't deporting people from red states.

00:13:26.320 It's that red states are handing the illegals to the ICE agents when they show up. 0.56

00:13:30.380 There's no need to go into these dangerous situations and retrieve them.

00:13:34.560 So it's a scenario where all you would be doing is setting us up to the situation where we were supposed to be.

00:13:40.160 Now, I'm honestly doubtful that the left will de-escalate.

00:13:43.380 And I'm honestly doubtful that the Minnesota police will ultimately cooperate.

00:13:47.840 And so I think that this probably will not work out.

00:13:52.380 But this is what Trump has announced.

00:13:54.300 So we'll have to see how that goes.

00:13:57.180 But I guess we'll go ahead and get into the video of the shooting, which is what everybody is currently debating here.

00:14:05.100 As Kevin said, when I first started looking at this, I couldn't tell what was going on at all.

00:14:09.080 I had to watch this many times, have it broken down very slowly before a picture of this emerged.

00:14:15.560 So I put together, I think, about four videos to help us kind of know where this is coming from.

00:14:21.400 But here is the activists coming in.

00:14:24.040 Now, I want to remind you, the left hates gun rights. 0.99

00:14:27.080 They hate people carrying guns.

00:14:28.760 They certainly hate the idea of people defending themselves against federal officers or the police with guns.

00:14:34.580 The idea that they would be like, look, man, that guy at J6, he was just he was just using his constitutional carry rights.

00:14:40.740 You know, he's a legal observer of what's happening during the election.

00:14:44.400 And like, obviously garbage.

00:14:46.020 So all of the left's, you know, stuff about this is entirely embarrassing.

00:14:51.280 But here is the first video, the one that really got around for most people.

00:15:01.840 Now, I want to focus before we get into the actual breakdown, because, you know, both of you pointed this out with kind of the rules for radicals.

00:15:09.380 You'll notice the the constant whistleblowing people might not know, but they're going out there and getting these super loud like rape whistles and they're just blowing them nonstop the entire time they're out there for two reasons.

00:15:22.180 One, because it's there to distract and like psychologically shake the officers.

00:15:26.680 They want them to constantly be on edge.

00:15:28.660 It is there to manufacture on edge behavior.

00:15:32.220 They want them to be pushed to the edge and possibly make mistakes.

00:15:36.340 That's the whole purpose of the whistle.

00:15:38.640 But the other thing is that it's loud enough to constantly disrupt communication, making it difficult for the officers to hear each other, know what's going on.

00:15:46.760 So they're, again, hoping to force mistakes by officers miscommunicating, not being able to hear each other over the whistles, not being able to tell each other what's going on, possibly hide criminal behavior or attacks.

00:15:58.040 So all of it again, all of this is coordinated.

00:16:00.480 None of this is some organic protest, some kind of general outpouring of understanding from the community.

00:16:06.700 This is a coordinated, you know, terrorist operation start to finish designed to manufacture what's going to happen.

00:16:14.480 This is what they wanted to happen.

00:16:16.140 And never forget this.

00:16:17.260 This is what Tim Walls wanted.

00:16:19.240 This is what his lieutenant governor, his advisors, this is what they were coordinating to create.

00:16:28.560 All right.

00:16:33.600 So they're trying to arrest a violent illegal.

00:16:36.820 And you can see this person run up and also the guy who will eventually be involved in the shooting.

00:16:42.920 They run up here.

00:16:43.500 The ICE agent shoves the woman away who ran up to him.

00:16:47.660 And then the guy who has, and I'll show you the video here previously.

00:16:52.320 This is not when he first entered the area, but this is the guy who's going to be involved in the shooting here.

00:16:57.340 He gets maced.

00:17:00.720 He continues to interfere.

00:17:03.280 He gets, ends up getting pulled off by the ICE agent and to the ground.

00:17:08.160 You see the swarming there in the huddle.

00:17:13.480 And then she's going to hear a shot here in a minute.

00:17:25.360 And kind of everybody scatters from there.

00:17:26.960 So that's kind of the first video that I think came out beforehand that most people saw.

00:17:31.780 But it's very difficult to get what happened there, especially because the camera drops just as the gun is being fired.

00:17:37.660 Now, this video here, you can see that the same guy was involving himself, getting in the face, filming, arguing with, shoving the ICE agent previously.

00:17:53.080 So he's not just some guy who happened to walk into the area.

00:17:56.320 Also, armed, did not have identification.

00:17:59.480 Now, this is really interesting here, because during this struggle, you find out that the guy had a weapon, but he was disarmed during this.

00:18:18.700 And if you go slow here, you can see this is the guy who removed the weapon.

00:18:22.760 And this is the ICE agent who removed the weapon from the guy's holster as the rest of them were trying to subdue him.

00:18:28.000 And if you watch, you'll see that it actually looks like it discharges.

00:18:33.340 You can actually see the slide move.

00:18:38.360 As he's walking away.

00:18:42.860 Wouldn't it be crazy if like the whole civil war popped off because of those faulty triggers?

00:18:47.600 Right.

00:18:48.120 Right.

00:18:48.540 So this is what we're going to get into, because I think a lot of people don't know the background of this weapon.

00:18:54.380 So maybe, Kevin, you can explain a little bit about the SIG P320 and why it is now infamous with the military.

00:19:01.920 I'm not at all a gun guy.

00:19:03.620 I'm not going to embarrass myself talking about this.

00:19:05.900 Basically, all I know is that they're faulty triggers and they have a tendency to discharge when they're not supposed to.

00:19:12.140 So for people who don't know, this is a striker fired gun.

00:19:17.200 Like most of these newer guns, these kind of Glock style guns have what's called a striker instead of a hammer.

00:19:24.760 And so that striker is usually pre-cocked in the gun and then the trigger releases.

00:19:30.400 And what has been happening is that over the years, people have been removing the manual safety from these guns and has also lightened the trigger pull on these guns.

00:19:40.880 And the more that has happened, the more likely you are to get a negligent discharge, because the only things that kind of keep you from firing a gun accidentally are the holster it's in, an external safety and the weight of the trigger, which is like why revolvers or classic hammer double action guns have a longer trigger pull because they don't have a manual safety.

00:20:02.200 Or if you have a gun that's got a lighter trigger pull, you want a manual safety on it.

00:20:06.640 But we've kind of been pushing the edge of this in gun technology to where you have no manual safety and the trigger's like four pounds, which just means it's far more likely to go off.

00:20:15.940 Now, there's also been rumors that when the gun is dropped, it fires on its own, that it is not drop safe.

00:20:22.420 Now, obviously, this is not a drop situation.

00:20:24.940 So whether or not that is an accurate assessment, I don't know.

00:20:29.780 But the gun has become so infamous for discharges that the there are now questions about whether this gun, which was widely adopted to replace the Beretta 92 by the military, whether it will actually continue to be the new military sidearm.

00:20:46.180 But, yeah, I mean, Matt, what do you think about the likelihood that this was all based on basically this guy removing the gun and that but then it accidentally firing as he's removing it?

00:20:58.600 And the other cops are reacting to that gunshot, not realizing that in the huddle, this guy has pulled the gun out.

00:21:04.360 Yeah, I mean, if the if the real cause behind all this is going to be a negligent discharge after the individual had been disarmed, I mean, there's I mean, a lot of jokes have already been made regarding this being, you know, a cig and everyone's had their fun with that.

00:21:18.060 But again, as you had said, just about two, five minutes ago was that the whistles are being blown, people are screaming, horns are being honked.

00:21:27.540 This is all deliberately meant to disrupt communication.

00:21:30.480 And when I'm being surrounded by hostile citizens, as well as illegal immigrants that are trying to do everything in their power to keep me away from doing my task and my mission, and all of a sudden I hear a gunshot after being probably briefed that morning that from command or already seeing it on the news that there have been countless people that have tried to ram cars at me, have dragged fellow agents halfway across the road and have bloodied them up on their behalf. 0.97

00:21:57.820 It's the same thing with the officer that shot Renee good. It goes time and time again that I'm not going to take a risk if I hear a gunshot go off.

00:22:05.060 And I think that the agents in question acted on instinct and purpose, whether this is inevitably due to a negligent discharge.

00:22:11.580 One, it shows the point that this guy was going up here confronting these agents, had camera in hand and was armed, either preparing to defend himself or very more likely to cause some kind of confrontation with federal law enforcement.

00:22:25.240 And as we've seen from the group chat and as we've seen from other left wing revolutionary movements inside the U.S. throughout the years, they want morally questionable actions.

00:22:35.660 They want things on film where they can spin the message, as Kevin was talking about.

00:22:39.860 That way they can say all out that this is what you know, this is how evil they are.

00:22:43.740 This is how fascist they are and sort of win the sort of media game going on here.

00:22:48.640 And I mean, we have the benefit because obviously we wouldn't have the opportunity to nitpick and tear this apart and deconstruct sort of these left wing frame devices as we would if Twitter was still under the control of Parag Agrawal or even Jack Dorsey beforehand.

00:23:04.460 But again, it still shows that, you know, for a lot of the older electorate who still rely on the mainstream press, this kind of conversation probably won't happen as often as whether or not, you know, ICE should do their job or not when it comes to CNN or even Fox.

00:23:18.700 So I think it's critical, like you said, to remember the level of stress involved and the whistles going on and everything else, because what you see in this is several of the officers around him.

00:23:32.400 You see them, you know, most cannot see anywhere near the back and they can't see each other.

00:23:38.340 So the fact that this guy is removing the gun, someone yells gun, right?

00:23:42.340 One of the officers yells gun, this guy in the jacket, the gray jacket here removes the gun, but it removes it at an angle that it's very difficult for anyone else to see.

00:23:53.780 I doubt that anyone else knew that he had removed the gun at that point.

00:23:57.700 Certainly not the officers on the other side of the suspect, right?

00:24:00.580 Like there's no way that they would have seen what was going on.

00:24:03.780 At the same time, you will see, and I think this is pretty definitive here, this move.

00:24:09.020 So this is the gun has been removed.

00:24:15.560 You can see the officer who moved it back here.

00:24:18.820 He's struggling to stand up, and as he does, he reaches back right to where his gun is.

00:24:24.940 And as he reaches back right to where his gun is, that's when you hear the fire.

00:24:29.500 That's where you hear the gunfire when he's reaching.

00:24:31.880 And after he reaches and he's hit, when he falls over, there's something in his hand as he falls over.

00:24:40.640 It might have been one of his additional magazines.

00:24:42.900 He was carrying two magazines.

00:24:44.500 There's probably one on a mag carrier on the holster.

00:24:48.420 So it looks like the guy was not technically armed at the time of being shot.

00:24:55.520 However, he was armed in the scuffle.

00:24:57.960 He was disarmed within half a second, right?

00:25:00.800 These are very quick, highly kinetic situation, whistles going off everywhere, screaming, people filming, running up, yelling the whole time.

00:25:10.340 I doubt that any of the officers, except the one that actually removed the gun, knew the gun was out of his hand.

00:25:15.500 And once they saw him reach for where the gun had been, where they called the gun, where they knew he was armed, they fired.

00:25:22.820 And the guy obviously probably still thought he had a gun.

00:25:26.000 He was reaching for the holster.

00:25:28.200 He came back out with something.

00:25:29.940 Like I said, I think it's a magazine.

00:25:31.240 It's hard to tell for sure, but it looks like he has one of the guns, additional magazines.

00:25:35.960 So he was reaching for something in the holster.

00:25:38.600 So I think what happened was even the guy who was shot didn't know he no longer had a gun.

00:25:44.640 If he didn't know, how were the officers supposed to know?

00:25:48.360 I think this isn't a great shoot.

00:25:50.300 Like I think the Renee Good shoot was like pretty clean.

00:25:53.820 I think that's actually entirely justifiable.

00:25:56.240 I think this one is still justifiable given the level of stress and all the mitigating factors.

00:26:01.560 But this one's not as clean.

00:26:03.420 So I think it's fair to say this could have gone better.

00:26:06.740 This is an unfortunate scenario.

00:26:08.080 But this guy absolutely put himself in a ready-to-die scenario.

00:26:13.960 I wear a gun quite often.

00:26:17.180 I've been carrying for decades at this point.

00:26:20.340 I've interacted with law enforcement.

00:26:22.760 I have broken up fights.

00:26:24.840 I am very careful when I have a gun on me with how I behave and how I interact with certain situations.

00:26:32.160 If I was to suddenly decide to, you know, get rough with an officer who's arresting me while I had a gun on my hip, I would imagine something very bad could happen to me.

00:26:42.020 I would never be dumb enough to do that.

00:26:44.200 Like the gun's there.

00:26:45.140 If like someone's trying to kill me, I'll stop them.

00:26:47.980 But I'm not going to walk up to and try to start a fist fight with a police officer while wearing a gun.

00:26:54.220 Like that's just kind of putting myself in a scenario that, you know, I'm winning a Darwin award there.

00:26:59.400 So I guess my point is, yeah, it's not the cleanest shoot in the world, but I don't think it's like actually that heinous.

00:27:06.540 I think it's understandable given the scenario.

00:27:09.260 And the guy put himself exactly in a situation where they wanted to manufacture this.

00:27:14.100 There's this accusation of hypocrisy and everybody's kind of switching sides on the Second Amendment and all these things.

00:27:20.560 Back in 2020 and 2021, we were watching the protests unfold.

00:27:25.420 And I was trying to be as vocal as I could about like, you know, if you're at one of these protests, you should observe the tactical flexibility that Antifa has because they are not armed with guns, with firearms.

00:27:41.380 They're using bike locks, they're using skateboards, they're using all these things that have like dual purpose, deniable capacity where, you know, they can sort of say like, hey, you know, it's not obvious that it was me or, you know, the black block tactics with the masking.

00:27:57.840 But also there's this escalation of like, everybody kind of knows that in the game, the riot cops are going to get some things thrown at them.

00:28:07.880 And that's sort of, you know, and it shouldn't be that way, but that's just sort of understood as like that doesn't justify lethal force.

00:28:15.060 Right. And basically, what I think happened here is that the left is encountering what we observed when when kind of the shoe was on the other foot in 2020 and 2021.

00:28:31.320 The the the extent to which a firearm binarizes the situation, it means you can either be not aggressive or you can be lethal force aggressive and there's not a whole lot of in between.

00:28:43.600 And and and that in between space is where so much of the power lies in these protests.

00:28:49.800 And one of the things that I want to like draw out, like there is much to be studied about these tactics and in one sense to disrupt them and to stop them.

00:29:06.300 And because these are these are people that we oppose, but also like there's so much power accumulated, they've they've accomplished a tremendous deal like this did not emerge out of nowhere.

00:29:20.360 Like the level of organization and all of the people who are doing things that are that are not this aggressive, that are not this violent, but that nevertheless achieve their stated purposes.

00:29:32.380 Like we have to step back from that, like, yes, of course, it's a it's a bad cause and we and we hate what they're doing.

00:29:38.380 We want to stop them. But like, let's take a step back and let's like learn what can be learned from this, because there's so much so many people showed up.

00:29:48.520 So many people got involved. You had your post about like, we're not going to be able to grill our way through this.

00:29:53.580 Right. We're not going to be able to grill while Rome burns the the the libs in Minneapolis are not grilling. 0.94

00:30:00.160 They are dead serious about what they want to achieve.

00:30:03.340 And and and one of the things that I think is so critical here, I read that like that document about, you know, how to resist ice.

00:30:14.260 Right. There was a big like like kind of notion document that went out that was like going to the signal groups and stuff.

00:30:19.780 But what struck me about that document was, you know, it wasn't like, here's how you make a Molotov cocktail.

00:30:27.560 It wasn't, you know, here's how you get in a fistfight with police.

00:30:31.380 It was all about the very like kid gloves, careful, nonviolent, nonconfrontational.

00:30:37.900 It was like totally like soccer mom proved.

00:30:41.920 How do you get involved in these protests?

00:30:43.840 And I think because, you know, there's a lot of like tough guy energy on our side of things.

00:30:51.340 And so and again, it's almost it's again, it's this binary thing.

00:30:54.700 It's like it's either nothing or it's lethal force.

00:30:57.700 Right. And and I just think that there's so much we could accomplish.

00:31:02.140 If we were to if we were willing to get involved in our local situation, get it like stop being a spectator.

00:31:07.660 This is not college ball. This is this is your country.

00:31:11.560 This is your life. This is your family.

00:31:13.340 And there's things you can do that that are not fed posting, you know, that won't that won't land you in prison, you know.

00:31:25.160 And I mean, I just think that's such an important thing to draw out of this is like.

00:31:29.500 Realize what is impressive about this capacity and also one one last thing, like the the the what they say they're doing.

00:31:40.480 Right. They say we're here to disrupt and stop ice from doing what they're doing.

00:31:46.340 But if you read the like the handbooks, the manuals they put out about how to disrupt these tactics,

00:31:52.840 there's absolutely nothing in there that actually in any plausible world prevents ice from doing its job.

00:32:02.500 And this this is sort of how this is the lie that's embedded in all this is they say that to stop ice.

00:32:07.900 They're not there to stop ice. They can't stop ice with the tactics they've they've enumerated.

00:32:13.360 What they can do is rattle them and create dangerous situations.

00:32:20.140 They can put themselves in harm's way in the hopes of creating a non-optical shoot.

00:32:24.400 And if you do that across thousands of officers for thousands, tens of thousands of hours, you're going to get what you want.

00:32:32.840 It's it's, you know, so many of these things are just a numbers game.

00:32:36.720 Yeah, I mean, if you pay enough attention to revolutions throughout modern history, you know that pretty much all of them start with.

00:32:44.000 And then a bunch of soldiers were standing around and a crowd started throwing things at them.

00:32:49.060 And all of a sudden you had the Boston Massacre.

00:32:51.420 You know, this is a this is pretty much a story that repeats every every time, you know, clashes like this occur.

00:32:58.320 Now, one of the things, as you pointed out, Kevin, is just the level of dedication the left has shown.

00:33:03.300 And this was really frustrating to me because when I was, you know, trying to talk sense into some of these people who otherwise have been telling me ice isn't doing enough, they're not deporting enough, they're not getting the job done.

00:33:15.600 I kept saying, look, guys, what do you think this looked like?

00:33:18.480 Like we're going to your vibes, essays, papers like that was the whole, you know, it's like you thought we were just going to hit them with a sub stack article and they were all going to go home.

00:33:27.680 Like these guys are dedicated to this.

00:33:31.280 They know this is existential.

00:33:33.220 Like the immigration issue is existential for both sides.

00:33:36.980 The left has to have immigrants here to rig elections and run their patronage scheme. 1.00

00:33:42.280 The right has to deport these people or they will lose elections in perpetuity.

00:33:47.540 And no matter how many times I have to explain this to people, they still come back to me like, well, but we should be doing this better.

00:33:54.900 It's like, OK, man, then explain to me how we do this better.

00:33:57.080 But in the meantime, we've got to be doing this like the doing is the operative part.

00:34:02.260 I can and I can imagine a cleaner way to do this.

00:34:05.620 But what it involves is the type of policy work and the building of the infrastructure that, you know, it involves like leaning on your congressman.

00:34:18.340 It involves like it involves political organization on a level that we just do not have.

00:34:22.700 And so basically what you've got is you've got the administration trying to like cobble together.

00:34:27.080 You know, you remember in 2020, they had like Bortak defending the White House.

00:34:30.760 Like they're trying to cobble together this power that they sort of, you know, whatever they they sort of have the legal authority to deploy.

00:34:39.020 But but but they're not they're they're they're ice skating uphill because everything has to go run through a judge and everything is it's not explicitly within the ambit of like what's been written out in policy.

00:34:50.360 And like so if you want this to be cleaner.

00:34:54.680 Then then you have to give them more explicit, procedural, legitimate authority, which means you have to like get off your ass.

00:35:04.360 Yeah, that's no, absolutely.

00:35:06.860 And this is what's so frustrating.

00:35:08.200 Look, Matthew, you and I have been on this show so many times like it almost is just a broken record between the two of us.

00:35:18.140 We need to see mandatory verify.

00:35:20.240 We need to see, you know, punishing the employers.

00:35:23.100 We need to see taxes on remittances.

00:35:25.140 We need to see these large sweeping going after employers, all this stuff.

00:35:29.960 It has to happen.

00:35:30.780 But but but the Trump administration can't get it done because they can't even get a Republican Congress to pass their appointees, much less like pass new regulations and give them new authority.

00:35:43.900 So while I 100 percent agree that the smart move would be to use all these soft power mechanisms to get these guys to self-deport because they can't get health care and they can't get jobs and sending money back home costs as much as it is to make it like if we could do all that, that'd be fantastic.

00:35:59.460 But since we can't seem to do it, since there is no political will in the conservative movement to actually pass any laws, the only thing left for the Trump administration to do is use executive power and use and mobilize what they have.

00:36:15.500 So I don't know.

00:36:16.860 This is the thing I keep asking people when I talk to them, Matthew.

00:36:20.360 What else do you do if you can't pass these pieces of legislation?

00:36:25.180 What's the alternative?

00:36:26.520 And the answer I keep getting back is, well, just not this.

00:36:29.460 Which, again, would be great if it was in the 1990s and we had 30 years to figure this out, but we didn't figure it out and we didn't listen to Peter Brimelow and we didn't listen to Pat Buchanan and now we're here.

00:36:40.700 So this is what we've got.

00:36:42.000 You go to war with the army you have.

00:36:44.400 Yeah.

00:36:44.800 And I think that it's really important that the most honest five minutes of politics maybe that's ever come from Congress was during the Brett Kavanaugh hearings in 2017.

00:36:53.920 I know that he is currently facing some kind of terminal cancer diagnosis, but then Senator Ben Sasse has just flat out told Kavanaugh and the American public that Congress has effectively stopped doing its job and it drafts shell pieces of legislation in which it offers funding to the executive branch.

00:37:11.160 And it allows executive cabinet level directors and administrators to set the law functionally.

00:37:16.580 And then when the American people don't like that kind of politics and Congress doesn't do anything, the Supreme Court becomes the politics of last resort.

00:37:22.940 And when we have had a Republican controlled Congress where either they don't want to vote for Trump's agenda or there's special interests involved or they haven't been sufficiently motivated by party leadership.

00:37:34.740 And of course, what Kevin had said is absolutely true.

00:37:36.980 We're not doing our job either.

00:37:39.020 I get it.

00:37:39.540 Some of us would love to wake up one day and it's a monarchy or something else.

00:37:43.440 We don't have that system.

00:37:44.420 You're not going to.

00:37:45.000 If Rome wasn't built in the day, you have to work with the tools that you have.

00:37:47.960 And this means calling your congressman, being active and involved in the democratic process in a way that I think most people tend to write off or say that there is no good.

00:37:56.380 If the administration can take your memes and have them made into some little dark age edit on the DHS Twitter account, imagine the kind of political pressure you could do if you were to simply harass and call your congressman every day for the rest of your life.

00:38:09.720 You would get a lot more done than you realize because it's not really the congressman who cares, but it's the staffers.

00:38:14.180 They're the ones who keep track of this.

00:38:15.420 The, you know, Twitterfication of our politics has been a lot of good in the way in which we can get things towards the administration's attention.

00:38:23.580 But on policy, we're politically illiterate for a lot of people when it comes to the fact that Congress still holds the gold, you know, the goose that prints the golden egg and lays it because they're the ones that control the purse and control virtually anything else that we want to get done in this country outside of what's enumerated into the president under the Constitution.

00:38:40.160 And so by trying to play with the tools that we have, we're incredibly limited.

00:38:44.400 And so this is in which the ways that the administration has used BORTAC, this is the way in which they've started to look at, well, what can we do through the Treasury?

00:38:52.380 This is why we've seen calls from the administration on everything like you and I have discussed, Oren, on credit card interest rates to trying to ban, you know, large multinational and, you know, large companies from owning single family homes.

00:39:05.320 Because effectively, you have one third of government operating in the way that it should.

00:39:10.740 And even then you have the civil service and the federal system that we have with our state governments.

00:39:15.760 Half of the country is not cooperating with him either.

00:39:18.520 So this is the most effective, you know, conservative, right wing, whatever you want to call it, administration in my lifetime.

00:39:24.220 And they're fighting effectively with one hand behind their back because Congress doesn't want to do anything.

00:39:28.120 And half the country doesn't want to cooperate with them either.

00:39:31.740 And so when it comes to the questions of like our toolboxes, it's the same kind of citizen journalism work that exposed the signal chats.

00:39:38.560 It's the same kind of work that has been done on getting congressional officials and staffers to be aware of the scale of the problem.

00:39:45.460 And at the same time, as what Kevin had said, it's to not fall for the bait.

00:39:50.220 You know, there's going to be a million videos of some ICE agent pushing some fat white liberal away from their van.

00:39:56.700 Or watching someone run away after trying to ram their car into somebody.

00:40:01.540 If you want to support ICE and to do their job, then like the best way to be doing that is to look at what tools that we haven't investigated or talked about.

00:40:09.200 And make them aware as options, not just on the federal level, but on the state and local level as well.

00:40:15.760 Yeah, I mean, if you don't have if you haven't had words for, you know, these guys running around in Minnesota and ripping people out of their vehicles to beat them or stabbing, you know,

00:40:26.200 conservative journalists or storming churches, but all of a sudden you're worked up about this.

00:40:32.560 I think you just hate Trump.

00:40:34.280 I think that's it.

00:40:35.380 And I'm sorry, I really do.

00:40:37.660 I think I think it's just that skin deep.

00:40:40.260 You just hate Trump reflexively and you're just going after because it look, there's plenty wrong.

00:40:46.200 The Trump administration has done.

00:40:47.400 We've been we've been we've we've been over that.

00:40:49.960 Right.

00:40:50.160 And the GOP is an absolute disaster.

00:40:52.100 Like the GOP is the enemy, to be clear.

00:40:54.460 Like we have to defeat the GOP before we can even hope to defeat the Democrats like they are the enemy.

00:41:00.340 They won't pass any legislation.

00:41:02.840 They won't confirm any of the nominations.

00:41:05.360 The Republican Congress, the GOP is the greatest inhibition, the greatest stepping stone or stepping or stumbling block to the Trump administration doing the things you want them to do.

00:41:17.940 But no pressure there.

00:41:20.600 No, no big calls to, you know, get rid of all these congressmen and senators that don't have a spine. 0.98

00:41:26.020 No, it's it's all this.

00:41:28.240 Look, Trump had to basically build a personal army out of ice.

00:41:32.160 There's a reason they suddenly got a military style budget.

00:41:34.640 It's not because they didn't have other federal law enforcement agencies.

00:41:38.060 It's that they couldn't trust them.

00:41:39.580 They can't trust Homeland Security even in a lot of ways.

00:41:43.100 But they also definitely can't trust like the FBI like so they have to they have to move everything through the few channels where they have real and total control.

00:41:51.360 And it's not pretty and it's not easy.

00:41:53.480 And there's going to be a lot of difficulty.

00:41:55.220 But people need to understand this.

00:41:57.180 Like you have to understand the level of like rerouting the entire structure of the federal government just to get the things they're getting done done now, much less everything you actually want them to do.

00:42:07.440 So if you're telling me you want three or four times the deportations, Trump administration is too slow in deportations.

00:42:12.420 But then you're yelling at like the few deportations they can get done because they were big meanie pants when they did them.

00:42:18.680 Like, I'm sorry, you're a child.

00:42:20.320 Like, I don't have time for this.

00:42:22.360 But, Matthew, what about the possibility of de-escalation in Minnesota?

00:42:27.740 Like I said, we saw Trump saying that Tim Walls is cutting deals.

00:42:31.980 Maybe ICE can get out of there if the police end up complying and working with ICE.

00:42:38.160 Do you see this happening?

00:42:39.820 Do you think the Democrats are going to force this to continue to be a flashpoint even if Tim Walls does cut a deal?

00:42:44.980 Do you think Tim Walls will just lie to get ICE out of there and then continue what he's doing?

00:42:50.140 What should the Trump administration be doing?

00:42:51.880 Should they trust Walls on this?

00:42:54.260 From my understanding of the phone call and what information has come out is that Trump will reduce the number of federal agents if local officials increase cooperation, which I don't think anyone believes that that's going to happen.

00:43:06.100 There's not going to be any cooperation.

00:43:07.340 And when Waltz called in the National Guard, they put on brightly colored reflective vests to know that they're not ICE, handing out coffee and donuts.

00:43:15.320 And that's sort of been what's been making the media rounds lately, at least on my timeline.

00:43:19.180 And I think that it's very indicative that anyone that's on the side of, you know, Waltz or the protesters on this issue, there's not going to be any cooperation.

00:43:26.260 It's sort of an ultimatum, I think, that may have been laid out that, you know, it's easy to say, well, you reneged on our promise.

00:43:33.400 We're going to send more ICE agents in.

00:43:35.340 And I think that even the most ardent Trump supporters are very happy to, you know, say and play along these lines of, if they're not going to cooperate, then why should we leave?

00:43:44.000 There are plenty of people that have been either bedposting or calling for more action to be done because what they're witnessing is just a taste of the kind of organized stuff that we saw both in 2020.

00:43:53.900 But they want to do this in virtually every major metropolitan area in America because those places have been effectively ethnically cleansed of Americans.

00:44:02.100 So now that it's just protesters, allies and collaborators with the invasion and replacement of the United States.

00:44:09.560 The call for me, at least, I think that only time will tell as more information comes out.

00:44:14.660 But there's no reason to leave Minnesota.

00:44:16.840 There's no reason to do so.

00:44:18.580 There's been investigations into Waltz already, and he knows that his goose is cooked.

00:44:22.280 So I think that whatever kind of CYA he's going to have to do on his own end, he can't necessarily jeopardize as well those that are already willing to put their lives on the line.

00:44:32.560 Because there's a lot of things that are outside of the governor's mansion that are going to go on with or without him.

00:44:37.680 And so I don't see cooperation or de-escalation possible at present moment.

00:44:42.500 Same question to you, Kevin.

00:44:43.760 If we're in the scenario, is de-escalation possible?

00:44:47.160 And if acceleration is, as Matt is saying here, ultimately inevitable, where does this go?

00:44:54.440 Is there any end to this?

00:44:55.760 The left's just start – is it bleeding Kansas?

00:44:57.560 Do they just start piling in to Minnesota and, you know, keep getting more and more violent?

00:45:03.260 Do they break once I show sufficient level of force?

00:45:06.500 Does the tribal administration ultimately buckle when things get too hairy?

00:45:10.700 What would you think would be the outcome here?

00:45:12.760 So you can't keep a million people in the streets for all that long.

00:45:20.580 The level of – the level of the waves of people that we saw in, like, the Floyd riots, that was – that was, like, number one, like a generational issue.

00:45:30.720 And it was the middle of summer.

00:45:32.660 It was easier to get out in the streets.

00:45:35.260 And what you do is – I mean, it's the same thing as kind of what happens at nightfall.

00:45:38.840 You sort of lose the soccer moms and you get the hardliners, right? 0.97

00:45:41.300 That's who stays.

00:45:41.940 And that does make them easier to target, right?

00:45:45.460 It makes them easier to sort of identify and round up.

00:45:48.900 I've advocated for a long time for kind of the – for kind of the Chi-Com Hong Kong approach to this, which is to, you know, spray them with tracer dye, you know, track their phones, and, you know, go get them two weeks later in their house.

00:46:03.920 And don't make a big scene.

00:46:05.920 And just, you know, because, you know, they can't – they can decide the theater they want to be in for the riot, for the protest.

00:46:13.140 But they don't have to be arrested there, you know?

00:46:16.360 You know, we can decide where to arrest them.

00:46:18.880 And so – but as to your other question about, like, can this be de-escalated?

00:46:22.640 I mean, personnel is policy.

00:46:24.080 Like, as long as revolutionary communists are in charge of all these state governments, like, they're going to be revolutionary communist states.

00:46:30.920 That's not – that's not going to change without, I mean, essentially a reconstruction.

00:46:37.880 And so what I – and I also thought your point about, you know, taking over the GOP, defeating the GOP is – I mean, that is the central issue.

00:46:47.000 And that's been – I mean, that's been true since 2016.

00:46:48.980 I mean, we couldn't get the border wall built with the trifecta back then.

00:46:54.480 We had it back then.

00:46:55.280 And so, yeah, it's – and the good news there is, like, these people don't actually believe in anything.

00:47:06.900 They exist to play a game.

00:47:09.840 They exist to get paid.

00:47:11.500 Like, they don't – they're not passionate about any of this.

00:47:14.480 And one of the things that I have observed in getting involved in my own kind of local politics is that there's – that there are people who care and who are passionate about changing the Republican Party.

00:47:30.680 And the messaging just – it's so much more powerful.

00:47:34.180 People are actually listening.

00:47:35.380 They're actually ready for change.

00:47:37.680 But you have to show up.

00:47:38.980 You have to, like, go get appointed a delegate or a precinct chair.

00:47:42.860 Like, I've got guys in Exit who are literally just, like, doing, like, a garbage cleanup or showing up to some event.

00:47:50.780 And they're immediately, like, getting put in charge of some committee in their local party because nobody shows up.

00:47:55.780 And, you know, we talk a lot of crap on the boomers. 0.81

00:47:59.220 But, like, you know, the Tea Party had organization.

00:48:02.440 The boomers showed up for things. 1.00

00:48:03.860 The boomers ran these social clubs and these social organizations. 0.68

00:48:06.300 And I don't know if they understood it consciously necessarily, but, like, all this stuff with the left, the fact they're able to get these, like, hardliners in the streets, that's the bottom of this incredibly broad funnel that starts in, like, book clubs.

00:48:22.760 And it starts in, like, very unobjectionable, very, like, normie-friendly social gatherings that you need to be a part of.

00:48:32.700 You need to be connecting with your local community.

00:48:34.680 Like, that's kind of what we're doing at Exit, right?

00:48:36.320 We're trying to build a fraternity where guys do this and they organize for power.

00:48:40.480 But, yeah, I mean, it's so essential that we defeat the GOP.

00:48:45.240 And I think it's a totally attainable goal because it's just the absolute, you know, most useless people you can imagine.

00:48:51.160 Yeah, guys, it's time to, you know, wear the GOP like a skin suit, okay? 0.84

00:48:56.520 That's where we're going here, okay?

00:48:58.860 And you're right.

00:48:59.640 There's groups like Exit.

00:49:01.020 There's groups like Old Glory Club.

00:49:02.880 And I know several other fraternal organizations all operating.

00:49:05.780 Many of these are not explicitly political, but these guys are going to, you know, they're bringing in lawyers, they're bringing in doctors, they're bringing in capable business leaders, community leaders, and they're going to build that network.

00:49:18.120 And so you need to be a part of this.

00:49:19.800 Like, you know, a lot of guys, what can I do?

00:49:22.440 What can I do?

00:49:23.240 Oh, you know, how can I take action?

00:49:25.840 This is how you take action, okay?

00:49:27.520 We have to take over the GOP.

00:49:30.940 We don't have any, you know, we don't have any other option at this point.

00:49:33.800 So you got to get in there.

00:49:35.140 And that means being involved in your community.

00:49:37.300 That means going to your church.

00:49:38.520 That means plugging into different civic organizations.

00:49:41.220 That means you joining things like fraternal organizations.

00:49:44.460 You need to build the networks.

00:49:45.880 You need to work your way into these positions, not because of my democracy, but because ultimately this is going to give you control of the political organs you need to actually affect this change.

00:49:57.880 Hopefully it's much faster than that.

00:49:59.760 But either way, this is the right answer, okay?

00:50:01.840 Whether this happens slow or it happens fast, it happens because partially you guys are plugged in.

00:50:08.100 So that is an excellent goal.

00:50:10.880 And speaking of everyone being plugged in, we are stacking up quite a few super chats.

00:50:15.060 So we should probably get to that.

00:50:16.540 So I'm not keeping you guys here forever.

00:50:18.320 But before we do, Matthew, where should people find your excellent work?

00:50:22.540 Sure.

00:50:22.920 Thank you, Oren.

00:50:23.740 And Kevin, it was great to talk with you.

00:50:25.400 Thanks for having me on.

00:50:26.140 So you can just find me anywhere with the lovely little frog on Twitter at Mr. Prudentialist.

00:50:30.020 I'm also writing quite often for the Old Glory Club and numerous other publications, focusing more on the very policy questions that we can find on history that allows us to sort of answer these problems.

00:50:39.840 I couldn't agree more with both of you that getting involved and getting engaged is the way to do that.

00:50:45.020 Because I'll tell you what, the boomers who showed up in the last several political waves, they get excited and are so happy when someone under the age of 50 or even under the age of 40 shows up to one of these events and expresses interest.

00:50:58.200 So, you know, it's not so much about the work that I do, but if you're willing to show up to these things and actually present yourself as competent, you will be very surprised at how quickly you are entrusted with the responsibility and the way to shape policy in your own image.

00:51:11.160 That's exactly right.

00:51:12.260 And this is so important, guys.

00:51:14.060 Again, I hear so many people, what can I do in real life?

00:51:16.560 How do I, you know, and this is not just about politics.

00:51:19.860 The politics is great, but this is also going to build your confidence.

00:51:22.960 This is going to put you, you know, this is going to build your social skills.

00:51:26.100 This is going to make it easier for you to impress a woman, to find, you know, like all of the things you want are here in your ability to lead.

00:51:33.560 And if you show up to any of these organizations and you're like reasonably well put together in under 40, they are going to slap you in leadership so quick.

00:51:42.800 Your head is going to spin.

00:51:44.140 They're going to have you running the organization in five years.

00:51:46.860 I promise you, if that, like, so it's not just that you get to show up.

00:51:51.440 It's not just that you get to participate.

00:51:52.680 It's just not that you get to build those skills and further your goals, but you're also probably going to own the place in just a few years.

00:51:59.900 It's just the perfect solution to pretty much every problem you're looking for.

00:52:03.880 So get it there.

00:52:04.880 Get out there.

00:52:05.380 Make it happen.

00:52:06.000 Kevin, where can people find your work?

00:52:08.640 Yeah.

00:52:08.840 So the site is exitgroup.us.

00:52:11.360 The newsletter we do it once a week is blog.exitgroup.us.

00:52:15.800 And then I'm extra dead JCB on Twitter.

00:52:19.140 Excellent.

00:52:19.540 All right, guys, let's go to your questions.

00:52:22.680 Uh, Grimm says, oh, wait there.

00:52:27.260 What?

00:52:27.500 Yes, I know, uh, surprising, but they literally did eat one ICE agent's finger.

00:52:31.780 I mean, they spit it back out, but yeah, it is, we, we do have full on zombie, uh, you

00:52:36.400 know, uh, action happening in Minnesota.

00:52:40.480 Cherry Coke Nixon says, Walls asked Trump to make a deal only hours after right-wing

00:52:45.460 and I was exposed a CCP funded signal group.

00:52:47.960 Walls is spooked.

00:52:49.000 He knows dims take China money.

00:52:51.120 I hope that's true.

00:52:52.720 Uh, I, like, I hope that the answer is he is so scared he's going to do this, but you

00:52:57.020 know what?

00:52:57.780 I think, what was it like three or four days ago, like after this stuff had been going

00:53:02.420 for a day or two, he already said, Hey, let's turn down the temperature.

00:53:06.240 Let's figure this out.

00:53:07.680 Let's, let's work together.

00:53:08.760 Let's not get violent, all those things.

00:53:10.540 And you know what?

00:53:11.540 None of it happened.

00:53:12.360 They stepped, you know, he, his Lieutenant governor's still coordinating this stuff.

00:53:16.460 So unless the signal chat is absolutely just backbreaking, um, I don't know that that will

00:53:21.540 change, but I hope you're right.

00:53:22.600 I really do.

00:53:24.600 Uh, Jacob Zendel says Rico charges for signal chat organizers now.

00:53:29.500 Yeah, I absolutely agree.

00:53:31.000 Difficult, you know, it takes a while to build those cases.

00:53:33.600 Uh, but this is obviously criminal conspiracy.

00:53:36.640 The, the question will be what they discussed in the signal chat.

00:53:39.740 If they actually, you know, if it was just be here, do this, bring this, or if someone

00:53:45.740 actually said, no, we need to create the situation.

00:53:48.220 No, we need to, you know, uh, harass this cop. 0.81

00:53:51.380 Like they have to, they probably have to explicitly coordinate an actual crime in the chat for, for

00:53:57.740 Rico to stick.

00:53:58.680 Uh, so I, I, I have not perused every single thing said in there.

00:54:02.640 Uh, maybe that was the case, but I, I'm not sure if there's sufficient evidence to make

00:54:07.140 the full Rico, uh, case, but if there is, they should absolutely pursue it.

00:54:13.240 Uh, Shaker Silver says ice shock and awe, uh, beliefs, uh, belies many issues.

00:54:18.820 No, I'm sending ice in the hostile ground off the bat.

00:54:21.620 FBI is MIA on tackling insurrectionists to make it easier.

00:54:25.220 Well, that's because you can't trust the FBI because it's full of enemies.

00:54:28.660 Uh, Trump caving to big business to exclude migrant workers.

00:54:31.220 Again, that might be a failing of Trump.

00:54:33.760 I agree that could be, but ultimately the GOP wouldn't back him on that anyway.

00:54:37.820 So the, the question is what can he actually get done?

00:54:40.440 However, I will say this guys, I meant to ask you about this, but the response from the

00:54:45.140 administration's spokespeople has not been great either.

00:54:47.960 We've gotten, you know, um, Steven Miller saying this guy was an assassin.

00:54:51.600 Who's going to go after it.

00:54:52.420 Like I love Miller, but that was not something that he had evidence to say at the time.

00:54:58.340 Um, we also have, uh, you know, a lot of DHS, uh, you know, uh, people going out there and

00:55:05.680 saying, oh, well, uh, you know, he had a gun with two magazines.

00:55:08.680 It's a military style gun.

00:55:10.140 It's got a threaded barrel.

00:55:11.380 What if he had fired super bullets?

00:55:13.080 You know, like that kind of stuff.

00:55:14.480 They just sound like the New York times.

00:55:15.940 Like, oh my God, he's going to put a chainsaw bayonet on it.

00:55:18.700 You know, like that's the kind of thing we've been getting over again.

00:55:21.180 Uh, what do you guys think about the, the messaging and, and especially when it comes

00:55:25.060 to the danger of the gun, when we're kind of the people who are fine with people owning

00:55:29.400 dangerous guns.

00:55:31.740 I mean, I, I really think that the messaging here should be, um, how about them Seahawks?

00:55:39.760 Like, have you seen those, have you seen those trends, uh, where it's like shooter good,

00:55:45.420 shooter bad.

00:55:46.020 And then the bears, the, you know, can you believe the Patriots are in again?

00:55:52.600 That should be the, that should be all of the communication we get from DHS.

00:55:56.480 Christy known talking about, you know, some guys passing percentage.

00:56:00.080 I mean, in, in all seriousness, like the, the way, the way to handle this is just to not

00:56:06.400 take the bait.

00:56:07.400 And like, you know, if you have to say something, it's like, we'll, we'll be sure to investigate

00:56:13.760 ourselves.

00:56:14.200 Thank you for your concern.

00:56:16.020 You know, situation monitored.

00:56:17.300 Thank you.

00:56:17.820 Yeah.

00:56:18.380 Thank you for your attention to this matter.

00:56:20.160 Yeah.

00:56:20.480 Yeah.

00:56:22.040 Matt, any thoughts?

00:56:23.660 I, I agree with Kevin.

00:56:25.060 Like you really can't be taking the bait here because I think that as much as people want

00:56:30.340 to be based in, in theory, uh, when it comes to the actual pushing and shoving and doing

00:56:35.840 what's necessary to deport people.

00:56:37.480 I mean, this is going to be one of those moments where you cannot allow yourself to have any last

00:56:42.800 vestigial traces of, of that, you know, sweet suicidal empathy.

00:56:46.560 Like this is not the time for it.

00:56:48.020 I don't need you to give me a commentary.

00:56:49.880 You, if anything, your only statement should be is that our agents are doing their job and

00:56:53.680 that we were elected to do.

00:56:54.900 And it should be from that and then go straight towards like, Hey, did you hear this next

00:56:59.120 great thing that we're doing to make life more affordable for Americans?

00:57:01.760 And then just carry on from there.

00:57:03.760 Yeah.

00:57:04.200 I mean, again, I'm not a democracy fan, but if it means anything, if you vote for a guy

00:57:12.320 because he's going to deport people and then you literally have an, like a full on insurrection

00:57:17.600 coordinated by state and local officials to stop them from doing that, you know, at some

00:57:26.520 point it's like, okay, well, if election's going to matter at all, you have to, you have

00:57:30.540 to allow people to do the things they were elected to do.

00:57:33.220 But anyway, well, it's the same thing as it's the same thing as, you know, give me all the

00:57:36.700 programs, but don't raise my taxes.

00:57:38.380 I mean, it's just, it's a fundamental, like people want contradictory things and they vote

00:57:43.180 for them and it's, you know, it's just, it's a fundamental problem that you're, that you're

00:57:47.400 enumerating.

00:57:47.920 But I got what I go, what I guess I would say about that is like, I think our guys, you

00:57:53.140 know, the people who are sort of read in, um, they tend to think that like democracy is

00:57:58.900 fake and therefore politics is fake, but no, actually like politics is incredibly real.

00:58:03.640 Right.

00:58:04.120 And, um, the, the, uh, the reality and, and like what you can accomplish.

00:58:08.380 Uh, politically is actually enhanced by the fact that democracy is fake.

00:58:13.060 Uh, there's so much you can do procedurally.

00:58:15.040 There's so much you can do at a small scale, um, that like you, you actually couldn't do

00:58:20.680 if democracy worked in like the, the idealized way you were taught in middle school.

00:58:25.380 Um, so yeah, uh, yeah, I just, I think it's incredibly important to get involved.

00:58:30.760 Yeah.

00:58:31.220 Once you no longer have to pretend that the rules are the rules, then there's so many things

00:58:35.460 you can do inside the game when you no longer have to obey the rules, uh, or at least you,

00:58:39.560 you only have to treat them as, uh, superficially, uh, valid.

00:58:42.680 Yeah.

00:58:43.820 Cherry cook Nixon says a signal chat is just the tip of the iceberg.

00:58:46.460 Recall many right-wing anons exposed Antifa during Charlie Kirk's investigation, having

00:58:50.500 ties to China and Cuba go time.

00:58:52.320 Yeah.

00:58:52.680 I mean, again, that would be fantastic.

00:58:54.960 Uh, those Rico cases can roll off Pam body's desk whenever she's ready, whenever she gets 1.00

00:59:00.140 around to it, that'd be great.

00:59:01.840 Maybe, uh, you know, maybe, okay.

00:59:03.840 Stay up a few extra nights, you know, put it, put it in a few hours on the weekend, figure

00:59:08.380 that out.

00:59:08.880 That'd be great.

00:59:10.060 Uh, he also says how many, uh, Peggy, uh, Flanagan's are hiding in low profile statewide

00:59:16.080 offices across the state.

00:59:17.560 He'd a grassroots movement to identify and prosecute.

00:59:21.740 Well, so here's another thing.

00:59:23.320 If you know, you should be getting involved in politics.

00:59:25.000 We already talked about that, but you can also get involved in investigative journalism because

00:59:28.840 you have a phone and now, you know, there are far more of these Somali fraud scams and 1.00

00:59:35.620 everything else being broken by like random guys with phones than by anyone in traditional

00:59:40.780 media.

00:59:41.240 So in addition to getting out there and being involved, work together, go knock on some

00:59:46.880 doors, figure out where the ethnic cartels are, figure out how to find a, uh, a local,

00:59:52.240 a government official who's working with Antifa or encouraging radical left-wing violence.

00:59:56.700 Make sure that that story gets out everywhere.

00:59:59.120 Make that person famous.

01:00:00.300 These are things you can do now.

01:00:02.380 And you don't have to sit around and wait for the Trump administration.

01:00:04.660 Oh, Trump's not going to do anything.

01:00:05.840 Okay.

01:00:06.200 What are you going to do?

01:00:07.740 You're going to sit around complaining about Trump not doing anything, or are you going

01:00:10.360 to get off your butt and make it happen? 0.53

01:00:12.000 You don't have excuses.

01:00:13.000 You don't have to be some base ninja, you know, gunfighter.

01:00:16.540 You don't have to be some master politician or some kind of crazy genius.

01:00:21.480 You can just be a guy with a cell phone, a guy showing up to local meetings.

01:00:26.360 You can just consider how many gay guys James O'Keefe has just destroyed by putting like 1.00

01:00:33.820 some glasses on like Clark Kent of homosexuals. 1.00

01:00:39.120 Really?

01:00:39.500 Yeah.

01:00:40.900 It's incredible.

01:00:42.520 Are you, are you a somewhat attractive man?

01:00:44.820 Are you prepared to take one for your country?

01:00:47.660 You don't have to, you don't have to.

01:00:49.160 Okay.

01:00:49.440 That's the good news.

01:00:50.240 You just have to talk them up to the point.

01:00:52.040 Okay.

01:00:52.860 But yeah, I am not encouraging homosexual seduction here.

01:00:59.580 I just want to make that clear.

01:01:01.100 Do not go through with seduction.

01:01:06.160 All right.

01:01:08.040 Grim also says my face when I literally caused a plane crash.

01:01:12.540 Did that happen?

01:01:13.140 Did I miss something?

01:01:14.440 I don't know.

01:01:15.180 There, there was some headline going around that due to bad weather, a private plane had

01:01:20.140 crashed with allegedly some big anti-ice lawyers and such.

01:01:26.160 Right.

01:01:26.640 Yes.

01:01:27.200 Yeah.

01:01:27.420 Like a, like a, like a Peggy Sue moment.

01:01:30.060 But with all the, like the Democrat lawyers in it.

01:01:33.140 Yeah.

01:01:33.500 Yeah.

01:01:34.040 Yeah.

01:01:35.000 Hit him with the beams.

01:01:35.880 Space lasers.

01:01:36.760 Yeah.

01:01:37.040 Yep.

01:01:37.280 Yep.

01:01:37.620 Yep.

01:01:38.120 Yeah.

01:01:38.420 What did Donald call it?

01:01:39.700 The discombobulator?

01:01:40.840 Yeah.

01:01:41.280 Got him with the discombobulator.

01:01:43.000 It's all over.

01:01:43.640 Yeah.

01:01:44.040 Uh, and then we just have a donation from, looks like the, uh, Mr.

01:01:49.240 Quinonez.

01:01:49.660 Thank you very much, sir.

01:01:50.500 Appreciate that.

01:01:53.380 Uh, Latrina Bidet, IRS enforcer running one of the best names in the game. 0.97

01:01:57.400 The entire situation is completely dysfunctional from top to bottom, starting to get children

01:02:01.740 of men failed state vibes.

01:02:03.460 Uh, it, it, it is a little wild out there.

01:02:05.480 I mean, I always think that any place that's cold is already like basically, uh, destitute

01:02:10.480 and, uh, a post-apocalyptic, uh, you know, cause it's, it's, it's about 80 degrees right

01:02:14.520 now in, in South Florida.

01:02:16.180 Uh, God bless the rest of you.

01:02:18.040 Uh, but, but yeah, it really does look, uh, absolutely wild there right now, especially,

01:02:21.700 you know, with the eating of hands.

01:02:24.340 At least in children of men, they were openly anti-immigration.

01:02:27.660 I suppose that's true.

01:02:29.300 Uh, Trey Coat Nixon, watching old acquaintances eat up the pretty narrative and go full 2020

01:02:34.540 was depressing.

01:02:35.360 Instagram, TikTok are poison.

01:02:37.100 Anyone else noticing this?

01:02:38.340 I mean, yeah, the, the George Florida vacation of this guy and you know, we're, we're here

01:02:42.420 again and it's just amazing the people who are falling for it.

01:02:44.880 Again, if you want to say this isn't the cleanest shoot, that's fine.

01:02:47.620 If you even want to tell me, okay, maybe someone involved should face consequences again.

01:02:51.740 I don't think so.

01:02:53.120 I think there's enough mitigating circumstances for everyone here to be more or less in the clear,

01:02:57.200 but if you think that's the case to make that case, don't tell me about the need to get rid

01:03:00.960 of ice, stop ice operations, pull out of Minnesota.

01:03:04.100 We don't stop, you know, busting people for murder because one cop got the wrong guy.

01:03:09.360 Like that's just not how this works.

01:03:11.240 There are bad cops.

01:03:12.320 They make bad decisions.

01:03:13.220 You punish them, but you keep enforcing the law.

01:03:15.620 Okay.

01:03:15.880 That's all there is to it.

01:03:17.900 Uh, Mr.

01:03:18.560 Quindonez also says you had me at Judas priest killing machine.

01:03:21.460 Yep.

01:03:21.700 Great album.

01:03:22.300 Great album.

01:03:22.940 Be a big priest fan.

01:03:24.260 Uh, we've also got in flames and some black Sabbath back. 0.99

01:03:27.200 There, uh, this week.

01:03:29.100 Let's see here.

01:03:30.640 The crooked menagerie says it's likely never had a manual safety on that, um, model.

01:03:36.400 No, I don't think the three three 20 ever did have a manual safety.

01:03:39.160 That's my point is that a lot of these striker fired guns keep lightening their trigger and

01:03:44.020 don't add a manual safety.

01:03:45.440 So you're just kind of moving towards this inevitable nexus of negligent discharges that

01:03:50.040 again, the only three things that keep you from firing a gun accidentally are the holster,

01:03:55.680 the trigger guard being covered by the holster, the weight of the trigger and a manual safety.

01:04:00.500 If you've removed all three of those guns out of the holster trigger is extremely light,

01:04:06.000 no manual safety.

01:04:07.520 It doesn't take much.

01:04:08.580 Like I said, a lot of these triggers are, are, are four pounds at this point.

01:04:11.720 That's not a lot, especially in a high stress situation, very easy to brush that trigger

01:04:16.260 and negatively just discharge the firearm.

01:04:19.300 That's not unique to SIG, by the way, like companies like Canik are, you know, putting

01:04:24.120 out three pound triggers on priest pre-cocked striker fire weapons.

01:04:27.980 Like someone's going to shoot somebody like that.

01:04:30.080 That's how that works.

01:04:30.960 People got too close to the line and now, well, you know, we're, we're in this scenario.

01:04:34.920 You know, it's a bad decision by gun manufacturers, but it's also what the public was asking for.

01:04:41.220 So there you go.

01:04:44.100 Nixon says corporate media has demanded NFL style replay refereeing for those shootings.

01:04:49.600 Totally outrageous.

01:04:50.660 Zero analysis of Babbitt or Denver bear spray incident.

01:04:54.460 Yeah.

01:04:54.600 Again, another great point with Babbitt, right?

01:04:57.440 Like the Babbitt didn't have even have a gun and was shot, but we didn't get endless discussions

01:05:03.120 of that.

01:05:03.420 We didn't talk about how the Capitol police had to be disbanded.

01:05:06.140 Capitol police have to go home.

01:05:07.760 Nope.

01:05:08.100 Nope.

01:05:08.340 No more, no more security for the American Congress because, you know, one, one person

01:05:14.700 got shot.

01:05:15.300 No, they gave the guy a medal.

01:05:16.520 That's what the left does.

01:05:17.860 They slap a medal on the guy who shot her and you're crying.

01:05:21.240 Like, I'm sorry, you're weak.

01:05:22.660 You're weak and you deserve to be ruled.

01:05:24.160 If you can't get past that, you just do like that's all there is to it.

01:05:30.220 Spartan says the situation couldn't, wouldn't be this bad.

01:05:33.120 If Trump cracked down after those two National Guardsmen and Charlie Kirk, Trump, uh, was

01:05:37.660 only, uh, made more weak, uh, more work for himself.

01:05:41.160 I agree that there should have been more done afterwards.

01:05:43.140 Like I said, we should have seen the, the, the Antifa, uh, you know, uh, uh, uh, Rico

01:05:49.120 cases, that kind of thing, but we just haven't.

01:05:51.580 And, and there's, I'm sure a lot of excuses as to why it doesn't happen, but I'm totally

01:05:55.300 with you.

01:05:55.640 Like this, this is in a way a situation of the Trump administration's own making for, for

01:06:00.560 not being more serious towards left-wing violence, but here we are.

01:06:03.620 So like, now we got to deal with it.

01:06:05.100 Uh, Latrina again says left is so inside the rights OODA loop.

01:06:10.780 It's insane.

01:06:12.180 Uh, sure.

01:06:13.220 Uh, uh, uh, Kevin, when explained the OODA loop, uh, I actually don't know what it stands

01:06:18.120 for, but it basically is just your, your sort of, uh, what's observe, orient, decide act.

01:06:22.580 I think that's what I think so.

01:06:23.660 I think, um, it's basically your, the loop of, you know, you, you see what's happening

01:06:29.180 and then you decide what to do about it and you do something and to get inside someone's

01:06:32.300 OODA loop is to sort of disrupt that process to, to act quicker than them, to just to take

01:06:36.740 the initiative in a situation.

01:06:38.720 Um, and yeah, it's, uh, it's the, the, the thing with the Trump, uh, whether or not you

01:06:45.420 think Trump is doing a great job again, it's like get outside of the spectator sports

01:06:51.100 mentality, like stop, like stop litigating it.

01:06:55.840 Like your democracy's fake.

01:06:58.120 It actually doesn't matter what you think about any of this.

01:07:01.820 And, and regardless, it's like, you know, um, back when, when, when Trump won in, in

01:07:09.900 2024, I said, you know, if, if it's all going to hell and, and, and, and, and, you know,

01:07:16.840 Trump's not the guy, then you're going to wish that you organized for power.

01:07:21.520 And if Trump is the guy and we make America great again, again, you're going to wish that

01:07:27.420 you organized for power.

01:07:28.360 Like there's no scenario in which getting out in the real world, getting to know your, your

01:07:34.020 police chief, your city council, your school board, getting involved with your local party.

01:07:39.720 Uh, there's no world in which that's not beneficial to you.

01:07:42.660 In fact, especially if you think that it's an incredibly corrupt, uh, process and it's

01:07:50.040 in a terminal decline because since systems like that, that are, that are incredibly corrupt

01:07:55.300 and in terminal decline, they actually matter a lot more for your normal life.

01:07:58.660 Like it's much more invasive.

01:08:00.640 There's much more, uh, uh, sort of power consumption within these systems as they fall apart.

01:08:06.360 So like, uh, if you're like, you know, turbo Vanta black pilled on all this stuff, that's

01:08:13.480 where you need to be.

01:08:14.280 And if you're super white pilled, that's where you need to be.

01:08:16.900 It doesn't make any difference.

01:08:18.580 I'll make sure to throw, uh, you know, I know I'm doing the, like, Oh, uh, you're from Texas.

01:08:22.500 You must know the one person I know in Texas.

01:08:24.260 Cause you were in the military.

01:08:25.400 You must know every, uh, military abbreviation and weapons system.

01:08:28.660 I'll just throw them at Matt next time and see, uh, we'll, we'll just try to spread it

01:08:31.760 out there.

01:08:32.520 Uh, if any tank questions come up, I'll, I'll hit them with them like this.

01:08:36.400 Um, Florida Henry says, uh, all the laws being broken by protesters or business hiring

01:08:41.640 illegals and nothing is done. 0.99

01:08:43.440 How can conservatives preach rule of law?

01:08:45.640 An excellent question.

01:08:46.640 And this is, you know, what I always push back with people who are, you know, uh, Oh,

01:08:50.840 well rule of law.

01:08:51.560 Well, let's try having it at all.

01:08:53.040 Right.

01:08:53.340 Like it's, you know, it's not happening and it's not happening for a reason.

01:08:56.500 And people were pretending that we're operating under it are, are fooling themselves.

01:09:00.020 Now there's a color of law, which is usually probably worth maintaining at this point to

01:09:04.180 maintain legitimacy.

01:09:05.300 But as Kevin pointed out, well, if you know, the system's broken, uh, then you don't have to

01:09:09.860 sit around and keep pretending that it works.

01:09:11.500 And then you can work inside that broken system.

01:09:13.380 You can maximize, uh, your, uh, advantages inside that system instead of pretending that

01:09:18.260 there's a different game that you're not playing at all.

01:09:20.300 That has a whole set of rules that no one's following.

01:09:24.840 Orwell's goon says, uh, a Sicario meme posting gun tuber, uh, uh, global war on terror bros

01:09:31.120 are on suicide watch right now.

01:09:32.840 ISIS is moving them.

01:09:34.300 Uh, their destinies are 15 minute cities with low, low, low, low bertarians. 1.00

01:09:39.500 This is a land full of penguins and they are not penguins.

01:09:43.080 Uh, yeah, the penguin meme has been, uh, amazing here recently.

01:09:46.500 I didn't see the original video at first, so I did not know, uh, what everyone was referencing.

01:09:50.760 But once I saw, I was like, ah, yes, the majesty.

01:09:54.240 Uh, now, now I understand.

01:09:56.840 Maniute says the GOP thinks, uh, this is a college football game and the Dems are planning

01:10:00.700 to put their enemies in gulags, act accordingly and stay safe out there folks.

01:10:05.240 Yeah.

01:10:05.680 Unfortunately, uh, you know, the, the, the GOP simply does not take the situation seriously

01:10:09.820 and none, neither do the libertarians or anyone else calling to bail us out of this

01:10:14.020 situation.

01:10:14.600 It's simply not going to work.

01:10:15.980 One of my guys said this morning, if only they cared about it as much as they care about

01:10:20.720 a college football.

01:10:21.620 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:10:22.660 Right.

01:10:22.900 Yeah.

01:10:23.140 Yeah.

01:10:23.240 I've seen guys like get on airplanes.

01:10:25.520 I've seen guys put lots and lots of money into like boosting their local college football

01:10:29.200 team.

01:10:29.960 I mean, it's, uh, that would be a huge step up.

01:10:32.860 Yeah.

01:10:33.280 Yeah.

01:10:33.520 Finally, someone who's willing to address it, uh, to invest in right when causes the way

01:10:37.540 they invest in their alma mater, right?

01:10:39.460 Like that's, that's really what we're looking for here.

01:10:42.720 Uh, maybe we can gamify it, like take bets on, on ice actions.

01:10:46.200 Like, uh, you know, he shoots the guy, but he only gets the third finger.

01:10:50.320 And then you also need to get like a, a subsequent arrest on, uh, you know, an assault charge

01:10:55.260 and, oh, you hit the trifecta.

01:10:56.620 That's going to pay out four to one, you know, and start, started, uh, tapping into

01:10:59.940 the degenerate internet gambling market.

01:11:02.020 Yeah.

01:11:02.160 As soon as everyone does their fantasy draft, you need to have fantasy deportations that

01:11:05.960 actually become real and, you know, Calci will pay it out for you.

01:11:09.080 Not that I encourage, you know, the financialization of all things that have been gamified, but

01:11:14.100 I mean, if there's a way to get people more invested and to donate money to ice, so be

01:11:18.780 it.

01:11:19.080 I I'm all for it.

01:11:20.140 You know, maybe we can find a way to turn this into like a, like a community, uh, you

01:11:25.300 know, fundraising thing, like a raffle, except it's, it's prop bets on the, uh, on the ice

01:11:29.900 raids, you know, uh, you know, all, all proceeds go to a good cause.

01:11:34.120 Just, just give them a nickname and have them like with their little introductions, like

01:11:37.520 they do with the offensive and defensive line at the beginning of every game and just be

01:11:41.800 like, you know, this is where I'm assigned to do.

01:11:44.120 This is who I like to target.

01:11:45.300 Just, I don't know if we're going to, if we're going to turn this into video drone or

01:11:48.980 whatever, then we might as well make it as entertaining as possible.

01:11:51.620 Yeah.

01:11:52.160 I want them running down the faces of Bionilinism, you know, pointing out all of the spiteful 1.00

01:11:56.580 mutants in the crowd.

01:11:57.720 You get 15 points extra.

01:11:59.240 If you get the purple haired one over there, that's definitely a dude that that guy truned 1.00

01:12:02.760 out, uh, you know, like, like have all that set up beforehand.

01:12:05.680 Let's see what we can do about, I think we might be able to pull this off.

01:12:08.340 Like, I, I think this is something we can make real.

01:12:10.420 I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to pull a little research in there.

01:12:13.040 I might know a guy.

01:12:13.960 All right.

01:12:14.260 Uh, uh, grim from, uh, not grim from red writing.

01:12:17.500 It says, I recommend everyone watching this, try and join the OGC.

01:12:20.940 You should absolutely be getting involved in local organizations.

01:12:23.760 And if you are a man of excellent caliber, uh, you should take a look at the OGC.

01:12:28.940 Uh, let's see here.

01:12:29.860 Man of you, it says it's a depressing.

01:12:31.540 How many people on the right would be happier to be beautiful losers than ugly winners? 1.00

01:12:36.760 Yeah.

01:12:37.040 I mean, Sam Francis wrote the book for a reason.

01:12:39.100 It's, it's the perfect title.

01:12:40.340 It's hard to get out of your mind once you've heard it.

01:12:42.260 And Nixon says, based ice parlays brought to you by draft Kings.

01:12:47.200 Yeah.

01:12:47.520 I've, I know we just did the sports bettings, a problem episode, but I don't know, man.

01:12:52.760 I might have to break it.

01:12:55.760 I need my bit in the mouth of the fan duel American. 0.83

01:12:59.900 I need, I need him pulling my sled, learn how to turn him this way and that.

01:13:06.140 All right, guys, we're going to wrap this up.

01:13:09.120 Thank you once again, Kevin and Matthew for coming on.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - January 26, 2026

They're Eating the ICE Agents ｜ Guests： Matthew Williams and Kevin Dolan ｜ 1⧸26⧸26

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