On today's show, we discuss the recent ICE shooting in Minnesota that has sparked outrage and calls for an end to ICE operations in the state. We also discuss the role that propaganda plays in shaping the narrative of events and the role the media plays in helping to shape the narrative.
00:06:02.000You're not encouraged to relitigate those because they don't fit the narrative that's being tried that they're trying to to propagate.
00:06:09.000And so it's entirely about like where the camera is pointed.
00:06:13.000And one of the sort of hallmarks of like the way the left thinks about these things is they interpret their willingness to be like steered by the camera and respond emotionally the way they're supposed to respond.
00:06:28.000Like that's what being a good person is to them.
00:06:31.000And I think one of the one of the things we have to do is sort of step away from that and say, like, no, I actually am not going to care about whatever you decide to like point me in front of like a, you know, like a pack animal.
00:06:44.000I'm going to think about the big picture.
00:06:46.000I'm going to think about what this I'm going to decide for myself what all of this means.
00:06:53.000Sure. It's been incredibly frustrating to watch a lot of people who otherwise understand or say they understand the severity of the situation.
00:07:03.000Talk about this as if they don't know that the left is operating this way, that they aren't creating this tension.
00:07:10.000Because, Matthew, they've released a signal chat in which a large number of Antifa sympathizers left us in Minnesota or active Antifa members are coordinating together to try to create these situations.
00:07:26.000And we're not just talking like random, you know, Soros activists, though I'm sure there are many on there.
00:07:31.000We're talking about advisors to Tim Walls, local politicians, local media figures and academic like there is a who's who of like straight up cathedral members.
00:07:43.000Right. These are not just on there. Right. I'm sorry. Lieutenant Governor was on there. Right.
00:07:48.000I believe that has recently come out. Yes, as well. Right. And so we have this scenario where we know that the government is top down coordinating this.
00:07:56.000This this is not in any way organic. This is not in any way, you know, just people out there, you know, legally observing and showing, you know, that this situation is exactly the one they wanted put in for.
00:08:10.220And look, we'll get into the shoot itself. But even if it's a bad shoot, we'll just say, OK, even if it was a bad shoot, did you think you're going to deport 20 million people without one bad law enforcement interaction?
00:08:21.900Like what kind of adult has that outlook when you have police, you know, what interact with maybe 10,000 people a year in a large city?
00:08:32.340Maybe that seems like even hot, really high. You're going to get some bad police interactions.
00:08:36.980You thought 20 million wasn't going to bring anything. It just it just seems kind of infantile to me.
00:08:41.640I don't know, Matthew, what have you been seeing? Yeah.
00:08:44.200Yeah. And I mean, it's so important for us to look at the context of how previous revolutionary events have happened in the United States.
00:08:51.140When we hear phrases like the legal observers, I'm instantly reminded of Brian Burroughs Days of Rage, where the legal observer term was really coined and spearheaded by the National Lawyers Guild,
00:09:02.340which had been, you know, the place, the one stop shop for all sorts of planning for Antifa and other revolutionary groups to have legal representation in ways in which they can skirt the law or have the legal means to get away with the actions that they're doing.
00:09:17.520So, I mean, these are playbooks and things that we've seen happen in the past.
00:09:20.840We just have better technology to find and infiltrate and do so.
00:09:24.460In fact, I was seeing people pass around various little programs from Google and, of course, through all sorts of through Reddit and other social medias that there are ways in which people are trying to find applications in which they can get coordinated or organized with other individuals or learn how to resist authoritarianism.
00:09:41.060And at the same time, over and over, we see on CNN that we're seeing invocations of the great civic religion where ICE is now all of a sudden going to put people into ovens in the middle of freezing cold Minnesota.
00:09:51.460Imagery aside, it just comes to show that everyone is on board and on message when it comes to the left.
00:09:58.260There is very much blood and soil nativism when it comes to, you know, the federal government coming into Minnesota to do its job, elected on the mandate to deport, you know, millions and millions of people who are in this country illegally, not to mention some that have overstayed their visa.
00:10:12.020All these things to me, what I've been seeing has been deliberate interactions with federal law enforcement to create optically gray, you know, optically unsure sort of shootings or interactions in which they can then point to their various media heads and figures and to mobilize millions of people towards, you know, generating public opinion.
00:10:35.040And as Kevin had said, you know, it's trying to frame you inside whatever the phone camera is going to tell you to do so.
00:10:40.720And the fandomization of the news has been an ongoing phenomenon for decades now.
00:10:45.960And for those that are younger than us, they all rely on someone that they go to to more or less, you know, offshore and outsource their moral opinions to.
00:10:56.180So if the person they like to watch is saying that this is evil or this is bad, then they're going to believe it.
00:11:02.940And I agree with Kevin wholeheartedly that we can't allow ourselves to simply buy into whatever frame that they're pointing us to.
00:11:09.080We need to look at the bigger picture.
00:11:10.320And the bigger picture is that from the top down, the state of Minnesota, as well as many Minneapolis officials, have either willingly or have directly coordinated with multimillion, if not billion dollars of fraud.
00:11:22.060The Minnesota taxpayer is the largest funder of Al-Shabaab.
00:11:25.480It certainly seems to be that way from recent reports.
00:11:28.220And on top of all of this, they're actively stopping and interfering with federal law enforcement officials on the issue that the federal government has supreme authority over, which is the national sovereignty of our borders and immigration.
00:11:40.760So if anything, we're witnessing insurrection play out in real time and more evidence seems to come out that that's exactly what they're doing.
00:11:50.380And to both of your points about, you know, the focusing in, you know, the whole reason I named the stream, this is literally one of these like absolute animals bit the finger off of an ICE agent.
00:14:46.020So all of the left's, you know, stuff about this is entirely embarrassing.
00:14:51.280But here is the first video, the one that really got around for most people.
00:15:01.840Now, I want to focus before we get into the actual breakdown, because, you know, both of you pointed this out with kind of the rules for radicals.
00:15:09.380You'll notice the the constant whistleblowing people might not know, but they're going out there and getting these super loud like rape whistles and they're just blowing them nonstop the entire time they're out there for two reasons.
00:15:22.180One, because it's there to distract and like psychologically shake the officers.
00:15:26.680They want them to constantly be on edge.
00:15:28.660It is there to manufacture on edge behavior.
00:15:32.220They want them to be pushed to the edge and possibly make mistakes.
00:15:36.340That's the whole purpose of the whistle.
00:15:38.640But the other thing is that it's loud enough to constantly disrupt communication, making it difficult for the officers to hear each other, know what's going on.
00:15:46.760So they're, again, hoping to force mistakes by officers miscommunicating, not being able to hear each other over the whistles, not being able to tell each other what's going on, possibly hide criminal behavior or attacks.
00:15:58.040So all of it again, all of this is coordinated.
00:16:00.480None of this is some organic protest, some kind of general outpouring of understanding from the community.
00:16:06.700This is a coordinated, you know, terrorist operation start to finish designed to manufacture what's going to happen.
00:17:03.280He gets, ends up getting pulled off by the ICE agent and to the ground.
00:17:08.160You see the swarming there in the huddle.
00:17:13.480And then she's going to hear a shot here in a minute.
00:17:25.360And kind of everybody scatters from there.
00:17:26.960So that's kind of the first video that I think came out beforehand that most people saw.
00:17:31.780But it's very difficult to get what happened there, especially because the camera drops just as the gun is being fired.
00:17:37.660Now, this video here, you can see that the same guy was involving himself, getting in the face, filming, arguing with, shoving the ICE agent previously.
00:17:53.080So he's not just some guy who happened to walk into the area.
00:17:56.320Also, armed, did not have identification.
00:17:59.480Now, this is really interesting here, because during this struggle, you find out that the guy had a weapon, but he was disarmed during this.
00:18:18.700And if you go slow here, you can see this is the guy who removed the weapon.
00:18:22.760And this is the ICE agent who removed the weapon from the guy's holster as the rest of them were trying to subdue him.
00:18:28.000And if you watch, you'll see that it actually looks like it discharges.
00:19:03.620I'm not going to embarrass myself talking about this.
00:19:05.900Basically, all I know is that they're faulty triggers and they have a tendency to discharge when they're not supposed to.
00:19:12.140So for people who don't know, this is a striker fired gun.
00:19:17.200Like most of these newer guns, these kind of Glock style guns have what's called a striker instead of a hammer.
00:19:24.760And so that striker is usually pre-cocked in the gun and then the trigger releases.
00:19:30.400And what has been happening is that over the years, people have been removing the manual safety from these guns and has also lightened the trigger pull on these guns.
00:19:40.880And the more that has happened, the more likely you are to get a negligent discharge, because the only things that kind of keep you from firing a gun accidentally are the holster it's in, an external safety and the weight of the trigger, which is like why revolvers or classic hammer double action guns have a longer trigger pull because they don't have a manual safety.
00:20:02.200Or if you have a gun that's got a lighter trigger pull, you want a manual safety on it.
00:20:06.640But we've kind of been pushing the edge of this in gun technology to where you have no manual safety and the trigger's like four pounds, which just means it's far more likely to go off.
00:20:15.940Now, there's also been rumors that when the gun is dropped, it fires on its own, that it is not drop safe.
00:20:22.420Now, obviously, this is not a drop situation.
00:20:24.940So whether or not that is an accurate assessment, I don't know.
00:20:29.780But the gun has become so infamous for discharges that the there are now questions about whether this gun, which was widely adopted to replace the Beretta 92 by the military, whether it will actually continue to be the new military sidearm.
00:20:46.180But, yeah, I mean, Matt, what do you think about the likelihood that this was all based on basically this guy removing the gun and that but then it accidentally firing as he's removing it?
00:20:58.600And the other cops are reacting to that gunshot, not realizing that in the huddle, this guy has pulled the gun out.
00:21:04.360Yeah, I mean, if the if the real cause behind all this is going to be a negligent discharge after the individual had been disarmed, I mean, there's I mean, a lot of jokes have already been made regarding this being, you know, a cig and everyone's had their fun with that.
00:21:18.060But again, as you had said, just about two, five minutes ago was that the whistles are being blown, people are screaming, horns are being honked.
00:21:27.540This is all deliberately meant to disrupt communication.
00:21:30.480And when I'm being surrounded by hostile citizens, as well as illegal immigrants that are trying to do everything in their power to keep me away from doing my task and my mission, and all of a sudden I hear a gunshot after being probably briefed that morning that from command or already seeing it on the news that there have been countless people that have tried to ram cars at me, have dragged fellow agents halfway across the road and have bloodied them up on their behalf.
00:21:57.820It's the same thing with the officer that shot Renee good. It goes time and time again that I'm not going to take a risk if I hear a gunshot go off.
00:22:05.060And I think that the agents in question acted on instinct and purpose, whether this is inevitably due to a negligent discharge.
00:22:11.580One, it shows the point that this guy was going up here confronting these agents, had camera in hand and was armed, either preparing to defend himself or very more likely to cause some kind of confrontation with federal law enforcement.
00:22:25.240And as we've seen from the group chat and as we've seen from other left wing revolutionary movements inside the U.S. throughout the years, they want morally questionable actions.
00:22:35.660They want things on film where they can spin the message, as Kevin was talking about.
00:22:39.860That way they can say all out that this is what you know, this is how evil they are.
00:22:43.740This is how fascist they are and sort of win the sort of media game going on here.
00:22:48.640And I mean, we have the benefit because obviously we wouldn't have the opportunity to nitpick and tear this apart and deconstruct sort of these left wing frame devices as we would if Twitter was still under the control of Parag Agrawal or even Jack Dorsey beforehand.
00:23:04.460But again, it still shows that, you know, for a lot of the older electorate who still rely on the mainstream press, this kind of conversation probably won't happen as often as whether or not, you know, ICE should do their job or not when it comes to CNN or even Fox.
00:23:18.700So I think it's critical, like you said, to remember the level of stress involved and the whistles going on and everything else, because what you see in this is several of the officers around him.
00:23:32.400You see them, you know, most cannot see anywhere near the back and they can't see each other.
00:23:38.340So the fact that this guy is removing the gun, someone yells gun, right?
00:23:42.340One of the officers yells gun, this guy in the jacket, the gray jacket here removes the gun, but it removes it at an angle that it's very difficult for anyone else to see.
00:23:53.780I doubt that anyone else knew that he had removed the gun at that point.
00:23:57.700Certainly not the officers on the other side of the suspect, right?
00:24:00.580Like there's no way that they would have seen what was going on.
00:24:03.780At the same time, you will see, and I think this is pretty definitive here, this move.
00:24:57.960He was disarmed within half a second, right?
00:25:00.800These are very quick, highly kinetic situation, whistles going off everywhere, screaming, people filming, running up, yelling the whole time.
00:25:10.340I doubt that any of the officers, except the one that actually removed the gun, knew the gun was out of his hand.
00:25:15.500And once they saw him reach for where the gun had been, where they called the gun, where they knew he was armed, they fired.
00:25:22.820And the guy obviously probably still thought he had a gun.
00:26:24.840I am very careful when I have a gun on me with how I behave and how I interact with certain situations.
00:26:32.160If I was to suddenly decide to, you know, get rough with an officer who's arresting me while I had a gun on my hip, I would imagine something very bad could happen to me.
00:26:42.020I would never be dumb enough to do that.
00:26:45.140If like someone's trying to kill me, I'll stop them.
00:26:47.980But I'm not going to walk up to and try to start a fist fight with a police officer while wearing a gun.
00:26:54.220Like that's just kind of putting myself in a scenario that, you know, I'm winning a Darwin award there.
00:26:59.400So I guess my point is, yeah, it's not the cleanest shoot in the world, but I don't think it's like actually that heinous.
00:27:06.540I think it's understandable given the scenario.
00:27:09.260And the guy put himself exactly in a situation where they wanted to manufacture this.
00:27:14.100There's this accusation of hypocrisy and everybody's kind of switching sides on the Second Amendment and all these things.
00:27:20.560Back in 2020 and 2021, we were watching the protests unfold.
00:27:25.420And I was trying to be as vocal as I could about like, you know, if you're at one of these protests, you should observe the tactical flexibility that Antifa has because they are not armed with guns, with firearms.
00:27:41.380They're using bike locks, they're using skateboards, they're using all these things that have like dual purpose, deniable capacity where, you know, they can sort of say like, hey, you know, it's not obvious that it was me or, you know, the black block tactics with the masking.
00:27:57.840But also there's this escalation of like, everybody kind of knows that in the game, the riot cops are going to get some things thrown at them.
00:28:07.880And that's sort of, you know, and it shouldn't be that way, but that's just sort of understood as like that doesn't justify lethal force.
00:28:15.060Right. And basically, what I think happened here is that the left is encountering what we observed when when kind of the shoe was on the other foot in 2020 and 2021.
00:28:31.320The the the extent to which a firearm binarizes the situation, it means you can either be not aggressive or you can be lethal force aggressive and there's not a whole lot of in between.
00:28:43.600And and and that in between space is where so much of the power lies in these protests.
00:28:49.800And one of the things that I want to like draw out, like there is much to be studied about these tactics and in one sense to disrupt them and to stop them.
00:29:06.300And because these are these are people that we oppose, but also like there's so much power accumulated, they've they've accomplished a tremendous deal like this did not emerge out of nowhere.
00:29:20.360Like the level of organization and all of the people who are doing things that are that are not this aggressive, that are not this violent, but that nevertheless achieve their stated purposes.
00:29:32.380Like we have to step back from that, like, yes, of course, it's a it's a bad cause and we and we hate what they're doing.
00:29:38.380We want to stop them. But like, let's take a step back and let's like learn what can be learned from this, because there's so much so many people showed up.
00:29:48.520So many people got involved. You had your post about like, we're not going to be able to grill our way through this.
00:29:53.580Right. We're not going to be able to grill while Rome burns the the the libs in Minneapolis are not grilling.
00:30:00.160They are dead serious about what they want to achieve.
00:30:03.340And and and one of the things that I think is so critical here, I read that like that document about, you know, how to resist ice.
00:30:14.260Right. There was a big like like kind of notion document that went out that was like going to the signal groups and stuff.
00:30:19.780But what struck me about that document was, you know, it wasn't like, here's how you make a Molotov cocktail.
00:30:27.560It wasn't, you know, here's how you get in a fistfight with police.
00:30:31.380It was all about the very like kid gloves, careful, nonviolent, nonconfrontational.
00:30:37.900It was like totally like soccer mom proved.
00:30:41.920How do you get involved in these protests?
00:30:43.840And I think because, you know, there's a lot of like tough guy energy on our side of things.
00:30:51.340And so and again, it's almost it's again, it's this binary thing.
00:30:54.700It's like it's either nothing or it's lethal force.
00:30:57.700Right. And and I just think that there's so much we could accomplish.
00:31:02.140If we were to if we were willing to get involved in our local situation, get it like stop being a spectator.
00:31:07.660This is not college ball. This is this is your country.
00:31:11.560This is your life. This is your family.
00:31:13.340And there's things you can do that that are not fed posting, you know, that won't that won't land you in prison, you know.
00:31:25.160And I mean, I just think that's such an important thing to draw out of this is like.
00:31:29.500Realize what is impressive about this capacity and also one one last thing, like the the the what they say they're doing.
00:31:40.480Right. They say we're here to disrupt and stop ice from doing what they're doing.
00:31:46.340But if you read the like the handbooks, the manuals they put out about how to disrupt these tactics,
00:31:52.840there's absolutely nothing in there that actually in any plausible world prevents ice from doing its job.
00:32:02.500And this this is sort of how this is the lie that's embedded in all this is they say that to stop ice.
00:32:07.900They're not there to stop ice. They can't stop ice with the tactics they've they've enumerated.
00:32:13.360What they can do is rattle them and create dangerous situations.
00:32:20.140They can put themselves in harm's way in the hopes of creating a non-optical shoot.
00:32:24.400And if you do that across thousands of officers for thousands, tens of thousands of hours, you're going to get what you want.
00:32:32.840It's it's, you know, so many of these things are just a numbers game.
00:32:36.720Yeah, I mean, if you pay enough attention to revolutions throughout modern history, you know that pretty much all of them start with.
00:32:44.000And then a bunch of soldiers were standing around and a crowd started throwing things at them.
00:32:49.060And all of a sudden you had the Boston Massacre.
00:32:51.420You know, this is a this is pretty much a story that repeats every every time, you know, clashes like this occur.
00:32:58.320Now, one of the things, as you pointed out, Kevin, is just the level of dedication the left has shown.
00:33:03.300And this was really frustrating to me because when I was, you know, trying to talk sense into some of these people who otherwise have been telling me ice isn't doing enough, they're not deporting enough, they're not getting the job done.
00:33:15.600I kept saying, look, guys, what do you think this looked like?
00:33:18.480Like we're going to your vibes, essays, papers like that was the whole, you know, it's like you thought we were just going to hit them with a sub stack article and they were all going to go home.
00:33:27.680Like these guys are dedicated to this.
00:33:33.220Like the immigration issue is existential for both sides.
00:33:36.980The left has to have immigrants here to rig elections and run their patronage scheme.
00:33:42.280The right has to deport these people or they will lose elections in perpetuity.
00:33:47.540And no matter how many times I have to explain this to people, they still come back to me like, well, but we should be doing this better.
00:33:54.900It's like, OK, man, then explain to me how we do this better.
00:33:57.080But in the meantime, we've got to be doing this like the doing is the operative part.
00:34:02.260I can and I can imagine a cleaner way to do this.
00:34:05.620But what it involves is the type of policy work and the building of the infrastructure that, you know, it involves like leaning on your congressman.
00:34:18.340It involves like it involves political organization on a level that we just do not have.
00:34:22.700And so basically what you've got is you've got the administration trying to like cobble together.
00:34:27.080You know, you remember in 2020, they had like Bortak defending the White House.
00:34:30.760Like they're trying to cobble together this power that they sort of, you know, whatever they they sort of have the legal authority to deploy.
00:34:39.020But but but they're not they're they're they're ice skating uphill because everything has to go run through a judge and everything is it's not explicitly within the ambit of like what's been written out in policy.
00:34:50.360And like so if you want this to be cleaner.
00:34:54.680Then then you have to give them more explicit, procedural, legitimate authority, which means you have to like get off your ass.
00:35:30.780But but but the Trump administration can't get it done because they can't even get a Republican Congress to pass their appointees, much less like pass new regulations and give them new authority.
00:35:43.900So while I 100 percent agree that the smart move would be to use all these soft power mechanisms to get these guys to self-deport because they can't get health care and they can't get jobs and sending money back home costs as much as it is to make it like if we could do all that, that'd be fantastic.
00:35:59.460But since we can't seem to do it, since there is no political will in the conservative movement to actually pass any laws, the only thing left for the Trump administration to do is use executive power and use and mobilize what they have.
00:36:26.520And the answer I keep getting back is, well, just not this.
00:36:29.460Which, again, would be great if it was in the 1990s and we had 30 years to figure this out, but we didn't figure it out and we didn't listen to Peter Brimelow and we didn't listen to Pat Buchanan and now we're here.
00:36:44.800And I think that it's really important that the most honest five minutes of politics maybe that's ever come from Congress was during the Brett Kavanaugh hearings in 2017.
00:36:53.920I know that he is currently facing some kind of terminal cancer diagnosis, but then Senator Ben Sasse has just flat out told Kavanaugh and the American public that Congress has effectively stopped doing its job and it drafts shell pieces of legislation in which it offers funding to the executive branch.
00:37:11.160And it allows executive cabinet level directors and administrators to set the law functionally.
00:37:16.580And then when the American people don't like that kind of politics and Congress doesn't do anything, the Supreme Court becomes the politics of last resort.
00:37:22.940And when we have had a Republican controlled Congress where either they don't want to vote for Trump's agenda or there's special interests involved or they haven't been sufficiently motivated by party leadership.
00:37:34.740And of course, what Kevin had said is absolutely true.
00:37:45.000If Rome wasn't built in the day, you have to work with the tools that you have.
00:37:47.960And this means calling your congressman, being active and involved in the democratic process in a way that I think most people tend to write off or say that there is no good.
00:37:56.380If the administration can take your memes and have them made into some little dark age edit on the DHS Twitter account, imagine the kind of political pressure you could do if you were to simply harass and call your congressman every day for the rest of your life.
00:38:09.720You would get a lot more done than you realize because it's not really the congressman who cares, but it's the staffers.
00:38:14.180They're the ones who keep track of this.
00:38:15.420The, you know, Twitterfication of our politics has been a lot of good in the way in which we can get things towards the administration's attention.
00:38:23.580But on policy, we're politically illiterate for a lot of people when it comes to the fact that Congress still holds the gold, you know, the goose that prints the golden egg and lays it because they're the ones that control the purse and control virtually anything else that we want to get done in this country outside of what's enumerated into the president under the Constitution.
00:38:40.160And so by trying to play with the tools that we have, we're incredibly limited.
00:38:44.400And so this is in which the ways that the administration has used BORTAC, this is the way in which they've started to look at, well, what can we do through the Treasury?
00:38:52.380This is why we've seen calls from the administration on everything like you and I have discussed, Oren, on credit card interest rates to trying to ban, you know, large multinational and, you know, large companies from owning single family homes.
00:39:05.320Because effectively, you have one third of government operating in the way that it should.
00:39:10.740And even then you have the civil service and the federal system that we have with our state governments.
00:39:15.760Half of the country is not cooperating with him either.
00:39:18.520So this is the most effective, you know, conservative, right wing, whatever you want to call it, administration in my lifetime.
00:39:24.220And they're fighting effectively with one hand behind their back because Congress doesn't want to do anything.
00:39:28.120And half the country doesn't want to cooperate with them either.
00:39:31.740And so when it comes to the questions of like our toolboxes, it's the same kind of citizen journalism work that exposed the signal chats.
00:39:38.560It's the same kind of work that has been done on getting congressional officials and staffers to be aware of the scale of the problem.
00:39:45.460And at the same time, as what Kevin had said, it's to not fall for the bait.
00:39:50.220You know, there's going to be a million videos of some ICE agent pushing some fat white liberal away from their van.
00:39:56.700Or watching someone run away after trying to ram their car into somebody.
00:40:01.540If you want to support ICE and to do their job, then like the best way to be doing that is to look at what tools that we haven't investigated or talked about.
00:40:09.200And make them aware as options, not just on the federal level, but on the state and local level as well.
00:40:15.760Yeah, I mean, if you don't have if you haven't had words for, you know, these guys running around in Minnesota and ripping people out of their vehicles to beat them or stabbing, you know,
00:40:26.200conservative journalists or storming churches, but all of a sudden you're worked up about this.
00:41:02.840They won't confirm any of the nominations.
00:41:05.360The Republican Congress, the GOP is the greatest inhibition, the greatest stepping stone or stepping or stumbling block to the Trump administration doing the things you want them to do.
00:41:39.580They can't trust Homeland Security even in a lot of ways.
00:41:43.100But they also definitely can't trust like the FBI like so they have to they have to move everything through the few channels where they have real and total control.
00:41:51.360And it's not pretty and it's not easy.
00:41:53.480And there's going to be a lot of difficulty.
00:41:57.180Like you have to understand the level of like rerouting the entire structure of the federal government just to get the things they're getting done done now, much less everything you actually want them to do.
00:42:07.440So if you're telling me you want three or four times the deportations, Trump administration is too slow in deportations.
00:42:12.420But then you're yelling at like the few deportations they can get done because they were big meanie pants when they did them.
00:42:54.260From my understanding of the phone call and what information has come out is that Trump will reduce the number of federal agents if local officials increase cooperation, which I don't think anyone believes that that's going to happen.
00:43:06.100There's not going to be any cooperation.
00:43:07.340And when Waltz called in the National Guard, they put on brightly colored reflective vests to know that they're not ICE, handing out coffee and donuts.
00:43:15.320And that's sort of been what's been making the media rounds lately, at least on my timeline.
00:43:19.180And I think that it's very indicative that anyone that's on the side of, you know, Waltz or the protesters on this issue, there's not going to be any cooperation.
00:43:26.260It's sort of an ultimatum, I think, that may have been laid out that, you know, it's easy to say, well, you reneged on our promise.
00:43:33.400We're going to send more ICE agents in.
00:43:35.340And I think that even the most ardent Trump supporters are very happy to, you know, say and play along these lines of, if they're not going to cooperate, then why should we leave?
00:43:44.000There are plenty of people that have been either bedposting or calling for more action to be done because what they're witnessing is just a taste of the kind of organized stuff that we saw both in 2020.
00:43:53.900But they want to do this in virtually every major metropolitan area in America because those places have been effectively ethnically cleansed of Americans.
00:44:02.100So now that it's just protesters, allies and collaborators with the invasion and replacement of the United States.
00:44:09.560The call for me, at least, I think that only time will tell as more information comes out.
00:44:14.660But there's no reason to leave Minnesota.
00:44:18.580There's been investigations into Waltz already, and he knows that his goose is cooked.
00:44:22.280So I think that whatever kind of CYA he's going to have to do on his own end, he can't necessarily jeopardize as well those that are already willing to put their lives on the line.
00:44:32.560Because there's a lot of things that are outside of the governor's mansion that are going to go on with or without him.
00:44:37.680And so I don't see cooperation or de-escalation possible at present moment.
00:44:55.760The left's just start – is it bleeding Kansas?
00:44:57.560Do they just start piling in to Minnesota and, you know, keep getting more and more violent?
00:45:03.260Do they break once I show sufficient level of force?
00:45:06.500Does the tribal administration ultimately buckle when things get too hairy?
00:45:10.700What would you think would be the outcome here?
00:45:12.760So you can't keep a million people in the streets for all that long.
00:45:20.580The level of – the level of the waves of people that we saw in, like, the Floyd riots, that was – that was, like, number one, like a generational issue.
00:45:41.940And that does make them easier to target, right?
00:45:45.460It makes them easier to sort of identify and round up.
00:45:48.900I've advocated for a long time for kind of the – for kind of the Chi-Com Hong Kong approach to this, which is to, you know, spray them with tracer dye, you know, track their phones, and, you know, go get them two weeks later in their house.
00:46:24.080Like, as long as revolutionary communists are in charge of all these state governments, like, they're going to be revolutionary communist states.
00:46:30.920That's not – that's not going to change without, I mean, essentially a reconstruction.
00:46:37.880And so what I – and I also thought your point about, you know, taking over the GOP, defeating the GOP is – I mean, that is the central issue.
00:46:47.000And that's been – I mean, that's been true since 2016.
00:46:48.980I mean, we couldn't get the border wall built with the trifecta back then.
00:47:11.500Like, they don't – they're not passionate about any of this.
00:47:14.480And one of the things that I have observed in getting involved in my own kind of local politics is that there's – that there are people who care and who are passionate about changing the Republican Party.
00:47:30.680And the messaging just – it's so much more powerful.
00:48:03.860The boomers ran these social clubs and these social organizations.
00:48:06.300And I don't know if they understood it consciously necessarily, but, like, all this stuff with the left, the fact they're able to get these, like, hardliners in the streets, that's the bottom of this incredibly broad funnel that starts in, like, book clubs.
00:48:22.760And it starts in, like, very unobjectionable, very, like, normie-friendly social gatherings that you need to be a part of.
00:48:32.700You need to be connecting with your local community.
00:48:34.680Like, that's kind of what we're doing at Exit, right?
00:48:36.320We're trying to build a fraternity where guys do this and they organize for power.
00:48:40.480But, yeah, I mean, it's so essential that we defeat the GOP.
00:48:45.240And I think it's a totally attainable goal because it's just the absolute, you know, most useless people you can imagine.
00:48:51.160Yeah, guys, it's time to, you know, wear the GOP like a skin suit, okay?
00:49:02.880And I know several other fraternal organizations all operating.
00:49:05.780Many of these are not explicitly political, but these guys are going to, you know, they're bringing in lawyers, they're bringing in doctors, they're bringing in capable business leaders, community leaders, and they're going to build that network.
00:49:45.880You need to work your way into these positions, not because of my democracy, but because ultimately this is going to give you control of the political organs you need to actually affect this change.
00:50:26.140So you can just find me anywhere with the lovely little frog on Twitter at Mr. Prudentialist.
00:50:30.020I'm also writing quite often for the Old Glory Club and numerous other publications, focusing more on the very policy questions that we can find on history that allows us to sort of answer these problems.
00:50:39.840I couldn't agree more with both of you that getting involved and getting engaged is the way to do that.
00:50:45.020Because I'll tell you what, the boomers who showed up in the last several political waves, they get excited and are so happy when someone under the age of 50 or even under the age of 40 shows up to one of these events and expresses interest.
00:50:58.200So, you know, it's not so much about the work that I do, but if you're willing to show up to these things and actually present yourself as competent, you will be very surprised at how quickly you are entrusted with the responsibility and the way to shape policy in your own image.
00:51:14.060Again, I hear so many people, what can I do in real life?
00:51:16.560How do I, you know, and this is not just about politics.
00:51:19.860The politics is great, but this is also going to build your confidence.
00:51:22.960This is going to put you, you know, this is going to build your social skills.
00:51:26.100This is going to make it easier for you to impress a woman, to find, you know, like all of the things you want are here in your ability to lead.
00:51:33.560And if you show up to any of these organizations and you're like reasonably well put together in under 40, they are going to slap you in leadership so quick.
00:51:44.140They're going to have you running the organization in five years.
00:51:46.860I promise you, if that, like, so it's not just that you get to show up.
00:51:51.440It's not just that you get to participate.
00:51:52.680It's just not that you get to build those skills and further your goals, but you're also probably going to own the place in just a few years.
00:51:59.900It's just the perfect solution to pretty much every problem you're looking for.