The Auron MacIntyre Show - Thinking About Christian Nationalism ｜ 2⧸16⧸23

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00:01:30.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:01:34.860 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:01:37.020 I've got a little bit of a different stream for you today.

00:01:40.240 I've had a lot of people ask me about framing.

00:01:43.600 They said, you know, we really want to understand different parts of language,

00:01:47.260 the strategies that the left is using on certain issues,

00:01:50.560 the way to approach things rhetorically.

00:01:52.620 And so I wanted to start doing some of these streams where we just kind of think about an issue.

00:01:57.520 We look at a piece of left-wing propaganda.

00:02:00.540 We also call that journalism.

00:02:02.380 And we take a look at the kind of language they're using the way they're framing the issue,

00:02:09.180 why they're approaching it the way they are.

00:02:11.740 And, you know, I can go ahead and take questions from the audience, everything,

00:02:15.220 just kind of talk back to you guys and get an idea of what you're thinking as we're discussing this.

00:02:20.840 But I wanted to kind of hang this on the frame of an article from NPR that came out a few days ago about Christian nationalism.

00:02:31.220 Now, if you want to know more about this topic, I have had a stream on this before.

00:02:37.000 I actually had the excellent Paul VanderKley on to talk about this, its viability and all that kind of stuff.

00:02:43.780 What does the Bible actually say about governance?

00:02:46.940 It was, you know, was the United States really a Christian country?

00:02:50.760 All that kind of stuff.

00:02:51.960 If you're looking for a stream that's going to talk more about that, you can go back and look at that one.

00:02:57.340 That's going to talk more about the kind of the origins of Christian nationalism.

00:03:01.040 Is it a thing?

00:03:02.060 You know, how does this connect to the Bible?

00:03:04.500 You know, if you're looking for a stream that's going to give you a bunch of citations about whether or not the United States was a Christian country,

00:03:10.300 this won't be the one.

00:03:11.680 You might want to go back and watch that one.

00:03:13.420 This one is going to be more focused on the rhetoric of the left and the way that they're using the frame of Christian nationalism.

00:03:22.400 Now, to start at the beginning, I want to be very clear, like Christ is king, obviously.

00:03:28.560 I think, you know, as a Christian, you should understand that our Christian values do inform everything we do.

00:03:35.000 And the idea that there's some completely secular space where we just kind of check our values at the door and we completely leave our religion behind for some set of neutral principles that run the nation in an efficient way.

00:03:49.560 That's just not a real thing.

00:03:51.000 That's not what the left do either, of course.

00:03:52.900 A lot of what's going on with this Christian nationalist framing by the left is they want to accentuate their advantage in the marketplace of ideas.

00:04:02.460 In the United States, the left have very clearly used the distinction of separation of church and state,

00:04:10.040 which their definition is nothing like what the founding fathers or or most United States citizens throughout history would have understood the separation of church and state to mean.

00:04:20.180 But they've used this idea that no technically like formally religious religious thing can be entered into the public square as a way to kind of corner off any discussion about Christianity or its values and make any kind of use of Christianity in the moral realm a completely invalid thing for federal government or any other piece of the government.

00:04:43.120 And so this has been a very effective tactic for them by setting up secular progressivism as the null hypothesis, the thing that is just automatically understood as true.

00:04:54.020 They've been able to maneuver themselves into a position where any mention of Christian values automatically invalidates the position of the person holding them.

00:05:03.620 And so they want to kind of frame everything in this context.

00:05:06.880 But we want to look a little deeper into this article because I think it reveals a lot about what the left wants to do with the phrase Christian nationalism.

00:05:16.600 Now, some of you probably already have guessed this, but again, United States, it's been a Christian nation the entire time.

00:05:25.240 It's had deeply Christian values and understanding of public life.

00:05:29.180 It was reflected in all kinds of legislation, both local and federal, recognized at every level.

00:05:37.120 The Christian value set is baked in at every level of the United States history and legal procedure, its customs, its traditions, all of that.

00:05:48.020 And so this is nothing new.

00:05:50.220 The idea that Christianity might inform some of this stuff is in no way novel or new.

00:05:55.940 However, you've noticed that there's been a rise in the phrase Christian nationalism, explicitly this particular phrase Christian nationalism.

00:06:05.520 And there's a very specific reason for that.

00:06:08.460 Again, there are plenty of Christians who thought that Christianity should inform your legislative decisions, your values, all of this stuff.

00:06:16.420 I'm one of those people.

00:06:17.800 But this particular phrase was pushed by the media for a reason.

00:06:23.640 Now, I want to be clear at the beginning that I'm not saying that those that use it or those that sincerely advocate for it are themselves, you know, people planted somewhere or have nefarious ulterior motives.

00:06:36.140 I think most of them picked up a frame that was pushed by the media for a particular reason because they said, well, I'm a nationalist and I'm a Christian.

00:06:45.320 And I want my Christian values to inform the laws of my nation.

00:06:50.080 So I'm a Christian nationalist.

00:06:51.640 And this happens so much with the right that they pick up the framing that the media has pushed.

00:06:58.160 They've actively pushed into the popular consciousness, not realizing why the left has done that or why the media has done that.

00:07:08.040 Again, not casting aspersions on anyone who uses this language.

00:07:12.120 Many of them do so in good faith.

00:07:13.940 In fact, at the end of the day, they might even be right, as we'll talk about in this.

00:07:17.740 I'm not even here to tell you don't use this phrasing necessarily.

00:07:21.460 But I just want to I want us to all go into this looking at the way the left wants to use the frame of Christian nationalism so that we can make a more informed decision on kind of how we want to approach this topic.

00:07:34.500 So let's go ahead and take a look here at the beginning from NPR, which, again, of course, remember, is literally state media.

00:07:42.220 So this is an article directly from state media.

00:07:45.360 This is not even from CNN or something pretending to be.

00:07:48.780 But anyway, so more than half of Republicans support Christian nationalism, according to a new survey.

00:07:56.020 So first thing you'll see, it says more than half of Republicans support Christian nationalism.

00:08:02.620 Now, as we get in here, we're going to see, actually, that's not true at all.

00:08:06.020 That was this was created specifically for the splashy headline, but it's journalism.

00:08:10.780 So surprise, surprise.

00:08:11.980 But let's get down here and take a deeper look.

00:08:16.380 So long seen as a fringe viewpoint.

00:08:19.580 So right at the beginning here, we've poisoned the well immediately.

00:08:23.260 No, actually, this is not a fringe viewpoint at all.

00:08:26.900 This is the default understanding of the American existence for a very long time.

00:08:33.700 The United States has had this baked into, again, the fabric of its law and tradition for pretty much the entire time that it's been around.

00:08:41.620 So we see right away, we're going to poison the well before we get in here.

00:08:45.700 Just completely lying and trying to marginalize something before we've even talked about it.

00:08:50.600 So Christian nationalism now has a foothold in American politics, particularly in the Republican Party.

00:08:57.920 Well, yeah, I mean, we didn't think you guys were talking about the Socialist Party.

00:09:01.260 Thanks.

00:09:01.980 According to a new survey from the Public Religion Research Institute and the Brookings Institute.

00:09:08.700 Of course, these surveys are always very dubious.

00:09:12.280 As someone who was a reporter who often reported on surveys, you get these packages.

00:09:18.360 So just for you guys who don't know, the news is written in large part by people who aren't theoretically newspaper writers.

00:09:26.900 So what will happen is a journalist is sitting around.

00:09:31.260 They need to fill column inches. 0.99

00:09:32.860 They'll get an email from an institution that wants to push an agenda.

00:09:38.240 It's a press packet.

00:09:39.560 This is done specifically with polling.

00:09:41.460 So if you think polling is something that's supposed to reflect the general understanding of people, that's not what happens.

00:09:47.680 Push polling is done to tell you what the people doing it want you to believe.

00:09:53.920 And so these stories show up in journalists' inboxes.

00:09:58.040 They come with basically like an abstract for the poll.

00:10:01.480 They don't tell you anything about the methodology unless you really get deeply into the methodology, unless you're an actual journalist.

00:10:09.180 Very few are at this point.

00:10:10.880 And you actually go in and look at what the methodology was.

00:10:14.660 You might find out, as I did several times when I was a reporter, that the polls that people were putting out and the headlines, the abstracts that they were putting out for reporters to kind of copy-paste into their stories were completely misleading.

00:10:27.160 If you look at the methodology of the polls, often the splashy headline saying, oh, this is the definitive thing that people believe is actually well within the margin of error.

00:10:37.580 So, of course, none of that is linked here.

00:10:39.720 We don't have any information about the quality of these polls, but just so you understand, when people show you polling, they're generally showing you polling for a reason.

00:10:47.880 And most generous journalists reporting on polling have no idea what they're talking about.

00:10:52.500 They don't understand what was done in the poll.

00:10:54.520 They don't understand how that information was arrived at.

00:10:58.340 They literally just take the opinions that are formulated by the people who conducted the poll with a specific intentioned outcome in mind, and then they kind of just parrot that back to you in new language, which is why the whole chat GPT thing could just threaten journalists, because it can also regurgitate someone else's talking points pretty simply.

00:11:18.940 So, researchers found that more than half of Republicans believe the country should be a strictly Christian nation.

00:11:26.260 I mean, those are rookie numbers.

00:11:27.880 We've got to get those numbers up, right?

00:11:29.300 If anything, it's very disappointing that only half of Republicans think that America should be a Christian nation.

00:11:37.540 But either way, let's look a little more into this.

00:11:39.540 Either adhering to the idea of Christian nationalism, 21%, or sympathizing with those views.

00:11:44.780 So already, we see that that half headline was not the case.

00:11:48.200 It's only 20% of respondents that were identifying as Christian nationalists.

00:11:55.240 This 33% sympathizing for those views, what does that mean?

00:11:58.600 At some point, they said, yeah, I think the Ten Commandments are good, and maybe we should work some of that into our law.

00:12:04.840 I mean, come on. 0.98

00:12:05.880 It is absolutely ridiculous.

00:12:07.700 So we don't even have an accurate number from the beginning here. 0.88

00:12:10.800 We can already see this as manufactured.

00:12:12.840 But let's hope that it's higher, right, at the end of the day.

00:12:18.200 So Robert P. Jones, the president and founder of the nonpartisan PRI, has been surveying the religious world for many years now.

00:12:27.260 Recently, Jones and his group decided to start asking specifically about Christian nationalism.

00:12:31.760 Here's a quote here.

00:12:32.500 It became clear to us that this term, Christian nationalism, was being used really across the political spectrum.

00:12:39.300 So not just on the right, but on the left.

00:12:41.160 And it has been written about more by the media.

00:12:44.180 And again, like, no surprise.

00:12:46.040 Of course it was.

00:12:47.160 Like, so again, this phrase was manufactured specifically by the media for a particular reason.

00:12:53.900 And again, I want to reiterate just one more time so everyone hears me.

00:12:57.960 I'm not calling out people who use the phrase.

00:13:00.540 I'm not saying people who use the phrase have nefarious purpose. 0.97

00:13:03.980 I'm not saying that they're like suckers who fell for something.

00:13:06.840 What I'm saying is they're doing, they're taking a phrase that was suddenly in very popular use by the media saying, 0.79

00:13:14.340 this makes sense for what we're doing, and we want to talk about it.

00:13:17.360 But again, this is, the left does this all the time.

00:13:20.080 They pick this phrase for a reason.

00:13:22.300 Again, and at the end of the day, you have to have something to rally behind.

00:13:24.740 Maybe that is the right phrase.

00:13:26.000 I'm not even here telling you it's not.

00:13:27.680 I just want to explore why the left picked that phrase and what they're doing with it, right?

00:13:32.540 So yes, of course, it's now being talked about and written about more in the media.

00:13:36.580 It was specifically designed for that purpose.

00:13:38.560 The left wants to scare its base, and it wants to box its opponents, and it did it with that phrase for a reason.

00:13:44.820 Christian nationalism is a worldview that claims that the U.S. is a Christian nation.

00:13:50.400 Again, yeah, okay, so the basic thing that's been true for almost the entirety of America's existence,

00:13:58.460 nothing controversial there, nothing that should be controversial unless you get your history from the 1619 project,

00:14:03.860 and that the country's laws should therefore be rooted in Christian values.

00:14:08.100 So again here, what the left is going to do with this phrase over and over again is they're going to keep asserting that this is some kind of crazy theocratic idea,

00:14:17.740 the idea that you should have your values rooted in Christian values.

00:14:22.040 You should have your law rooted in Christian values.

00:14:25.660 But of course, that's not crazy at all.

00:14:27.180 This is largely where the morality of the West and the United States came from.

00:14:33.000 It's what informs almost every social interaction, tradition, norm, all of this stuff throughout American history and most of Western history.

00:14:42.240 And so this idea is in no way radical or new.

00:14:45.640 It's very old and was very normal up until just a few decades ago in the United States.

00:14:51.120 What the left is going to be doing is they're going to be playing the shell game.

00:14:53.860 They're going to be saying, well, this is all radical theocratic stuff.

00:14:57.240 We're for plurality.

00:14:58.820 Now, of course, we know the left is not for plurality at all.

00:15:01.880 The left is for a complete dominance of their progressive worldview.

00:15:07.000 They want that to replace all morality.

00:15:09.540 They want that to be the central morality that is taught in every school, that is enforced in every business,

00:15:16.380 that is the requirement for every person who joins the military or wants to have a government job or wants to get elected to anything.

00:15:24.060 They want this to be the default.

00:15:25.560 And let's be honest, it already is.

00:15:27.460 Right. So they're casting this as some kind of radical outlier because they certainly don't want to return to the idea that there could be any competition for the values of progressivism.

00:15:38.680 Progressivism is the only secular religion in town.

00:15:41.900 And they're going to, of course, try to leverage the idea that America is based on this idea of pluralism.

00:15:47.360 So you can't have anything but progressivism.

00:15:50.760 Hilariously enough, that's the only thing allowed in your pluralistic society. 0.98

00:15:54.480 So here here comes the real part.

00:15:56.660 This is this is why they really use the phrase in the first place.

00:15:59.080 So the point of this has long been or the point of this point of view has long been prominent in white evangelical spaces.

00:16:08.440 There it is.

00:16:09.340 So but lately it's been getting lip service in Republican ones, too.

00:16:13.920 So the reason that they chose the phrase Christian nationalism is that they wanted to associate it with white nationalism.

00:16:22.000 That's the whole reason that they wanted to push this idea.

00:16:25.440 You'll notice that even though this is supposed to be Christian nationalism, they're never going to talk about the rise of this in Hispanic churches.

00:16:34.760 They're not going to talk about the rise of this in black churches, even if this is something that maybe a number of Hispanic Catholics or something would be interested in.

00:16:43.160 It's only white evangelical spaces that are the problem. 0.83

00:16:46.660 And that was, of course, the the point that they're going to try to push at every opportunity here.

00:16:51.820 During an interview at Turning Point USA event last August, Representative Major Marjorie Taylor Green said party leaders need to be more responsive to the party base, which she claimed to be made up of Christian nationalists.

00:17:07.860 Now, you, again, hope that there would be a large base of Christians in the Republican Party.

00:17:13.680 Unfortunately, that is something that has been dwindling.

00:17:16.120 But it's certainly true that the majority of Republicans at least have some allegiance to Christianity.

00:17:22.460 And if we're talking about democracy and this is the funny part you're going to get to here, they're going to talk about how dangerous this is to democracy.

00:17:28.700 But of course, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene's appeal here is exactly to that democratic process.

00:17:34.940 Right. We should be backing up our base.

00:17:38.460 We should be listening to our base and we should be doing what they tell us to do, what they inform us that we should be doing.

00:17:44.460 So her appeal here is directly to the idea of representative democracy.

00:17:48.480 But we'll see that it's the wrong type of representative democracy.

00:17:52.120 It's the scary Christian one. 1.00

00:17:54.400 And that's the one we have to get rid of.

00:17:56.300 We need to be the party of we need to be the party of nationalism.

00:18:00.360 I'm a Christian and I say it proudly.

00:18:02.280 We should be Christian nationalists.

00:18:04.940 Jones said that until now, it's been difficult to tell how prominent Christian nationalism is within the Republican Party.

00:18:12.160 Well, yeah, because you just kind of manufactured that term a couple of years ago.

00:18:16.100 Now, again, one more time.

00:18:17.960 I want to make it clear there, of course, have been people who have used this term before.

00:18:22.700 There have been people who have said we need to organize our nation around Christianity.

00:18:27.280 This should be central.

00:18:28.060 And they have been arguing along a line of Christian nationalism previously.

00:18:35.060 But this term came into popular use a few years ago specifically because the media was pushing it very hard.

00:18:43.880 They started floating the specter of Christian nationalism. 0.66

00:18:48.160 And so, yeah, it's not surprising that the phrase wasn't in much use before in the Republican Party.

00:18:53.100 Most people didn't feel the need to have some kind of explicit label on the fact that they wanted Christianity to inform their politics and their law.

00:19:02.360 There was some data out there, but what we saw was a need to have a real set of data that would quantify what the term means, how many Americans really adhere to it, he said.

00:19:15.540 And we also wanted to have a more nuanced view, not just people who were hard adherents, but maybe people who were, again, sympathetic.

00:19:23.040 So, again, that's how they manufactured the number in the first place, that over 50 percent, by lumping in the idea of sympathetic people.

00:19:30.920 Again, what does sympathetic mean?

00:19:33.060 It's never outlined anywhere in this article.

00:19:35.200 It's probably somewhere in the study.

00:19:37.400 But, again, journalists just kind of copy-paste what's sent to them by these institutes.

00:19:42.320 There's not really any kind of investigation into how that breaks down.

00:19:48.100 Is it someone who has a vague appreciation for the Bible?

00:19:51.440 Is it someone who attends church?

00:19:53.400 Is it someone who thinks that some level of Christian value should be reflected in culture or law?

00:19:59.380 Is it people who believe that only the Bible should be taught in school ever and no one should ever be able to believe in any other religion?

00:20:06.340 Nothing is clarified here, of course.

00:20:08.300 It's simply people who might be sympathetic.

00:20:10.840 Jones said that at just the beginning of his group's effort to track the prevalence of these views in America, he says, over time, we'll have a better idea of whether these views are becoming more or less widely held.

00:20:23.760 Yeah, I'm sure there's going to be a nice little cottage industry for people who want to get a set of cures from the left researching Christian nationalism.

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00:21:03.200 Americans broadly don't adhere to Christian nationalism.

00:21:05.780 Well, thank you.

00:21:06.640 We appreciate your clarification there.

00:21:08.980 So this is a very looming threat, but also no one believes it.

00:21:12.540 Well, a majority of Republicans currently either adhere to or sympathize with Christian nationalism.

00:21:17.500 So, again, we've already changed our frame to kind of incorporate the new thing we need to recognize, that even though this is a growing threat that so many people believe in, actually, we're now going to switch to the idea that democracy and majority rule says that it's not a big deal.

00:21:34.160 And actually, not that many people believe in it is actually a weird and fringe thing.

00:21:37.720 So we have this Schrodinger's ideology that at one moment exists and is very dangerous and is growing and is going to dominate all this stuff.

00:21:46.380 And so many people believe in it.

00:21:47.560 But actually, no one really believes in it, and it's not that big a deal.

00:21:51.540 It's not the majority.

00:21:53.680 And we'll see. 0.91

00:21:54.880 This gets more ridiculous as we go on.

00:21:57.080 So according to the study, only 10% of Americans total view themselves as adherents of Christian nationalism, and only 19% of Americans said that they sympathize with the views.

00:22:06.380 Not sure, Christian Cobes de Muse, maybe is how to pronounce that, a history professor at Calvin University, said it's important to note that this is not a novel ideology in American families.

00:22:17.940 Okay, well, at least that part is true.

00:22:20.960 These ideas have been widely held throughout American history, and particularly since the 1970s with the rise of the Christian right.

00:22:26.520 Now, well, some of this was true.

00:22:28.320 So, yeah, of course these ideas have been held throughout American history.

00:22:31.580 Yes, they were very popular as Christianity dominated the religious, moral, legal, cultural landscape of America through centuries.

00:22:41.460 Like, yes, of course these are not new or novel ideas.

00:22:44.440 They have been the cornerstone of all this stuff for a very long time.

00:22:48.360 The idea that the Christian right rose in the 1970s, yeah, no.

00:22:52.640 There, of course, have been many – there may have been the rise of a specifically branded political movement,

00:22:58.540 but this might only have been in response to the perceived attack that this was a general understanding held by the entire population.

00:23:08.500 That's the funny thing about trying to fragment a culture.

00:23:11.460 You start generating interest groups that are very awkward around a very particular issue.

00:23:17.760 De Muse says that these views are mostly a reaction to changing demographics.

00:23:21.640 Here we go again.

00:23:22.500 As well as cultural generational shifts in the United States as it becomes less white and less Christian.

00:23:27.840 So, yeah, again, we see what the actual interest is in using Christian nationalism as a frame, right?

00:23:35.080 The real story is the resentment of the bitter clingers, right?

00:23:39.860 Obama's bitter clingers who are holding on to their Bible and their guns in the middle of the respite, 0.94

00:23:45.660 those cranky old white people who are getting phased out. 1.00

00:23:49.360 I mean, they're not. 0.97

00:23:50.460 We're definitely not.

00:23:51.120 That's not happening, right? 0.97

00:23:52.860 If you say that, if Tucker Carlson says that, he's an evil racist.

00:23:56.040 So it's not happening.

00:23:57.440 Remember, but it's also really good that it is.

00:24:00.760 So we can kind of see our celebration parallax right here.

00:24:05.240 These things are happening, but we can't talk about them happening.

00:24:09.260 Because if we talk about them happening, we're noticing.

00:24:12.140 And noticing is very bad.

00:24:13.660 You're not allowed to do it.

00:24:15.080 She said these adherents want to hold on to their cultural and political power.

00:24:19.620 So here, this is kind of funny, right?

00:24:21.400 This is something the left says a lot. 0.84

00:24:24.120 Oh, these old white people or these old Christians, they can't get with the times. 1.00

00:24:30.620 And they just want to hang on to their cultural and political power.

00:24:34.620 Okay, so if you believe in a democratic mechanism, if you believe in democratic mechanism, and people want to have a say inside that mechanism, inside the democratic process, then why wouldn't Christians, for instance, gather together and lobby for something like Christianity in the public square?

00:24:57.560 I mean, that seems perfectly natural, right?

00:25:00.260 But of course, it's framed as if this is some kind of craven, desperate bid for power.

00:25:05.520 No, you have, again, you believe in the democratic process, or you're supposed to in this article, right?

00:25:11.940 I'm not a huge fan of democracy, but we'll get further into that.

00:25:14.600 You're the ones who are supposed to believe in the democratic process, but you're going to scold people for saying, hey, actually, I think that using the democratic process, we should inform the laws being made through the process of, or through the worldview of Christianity.

00:25:32.280 Again, makes perfect sense.

00:25:33.500 I don't understand why this is such a problem, but it's a problem because it's the wrong people availing themselves of the democratic process.

00:25:40.700 And so we need to mock them, of course.

00:25:43.280 In fact, according to the survey, half of Christian nationalists' adherents and nearly four in ten sympathizers said that they would support the idea of an authoritarian leader.

00:25:51.000 There they go.

00:25:51.500 That's what they also want in order to keep these Christian values in society.

00:25:56.120 So remember, this framing is particular, right?

00:25:59.500 They chose Christian nationalists because they want to link this to national socialists.

00:26:05.320 That's what they want, right?

00:26:06.560 They want to make – that's why you always hear them using phrases like, you know, Christo-fascist or however you're supposed to properly pronounce their made-up terminology because they specifically want to convey the idea that a belief in Christianity or the idea that Christianity should be a significant part of the culture and should inform your cultural values and your traditions, your legal proceedings, all this kind of stuff.

00:26:30.740 The idea that all of that is just got to be tied to mid-century Germans, right?

00:26:36.220 That's what this whole framing is about.

00:26:39.420 They want to constantly reframe the discussion in this way.

00:26:44.620 At its root, there are some deeply anti-democratic impulses here.

00:26:49.020 Yep.

00:26:49.160 Okay, so again, when Marjorie Taylor Greene says we should listen to our voters and we should represent their values and we should use the democratic process to infuse our values in the decisions that are being made, democracy is bad.

00:27:05.140 But also, Marjorie Taylor Greene, who is talking about all this stuff, she's a threat to democracy, right? 0.81

00:27:11.180 Christian nationalism, which is talking about using the democratic process to instill these values, to reflect these values in legislation or in kind of the Christian – or rather the United States in general, that's a problem.

00:27:25.160 So sometimes we're a fan of democracy, sometimes we're not.

00:27:28.660 It just depends if it's our democracy, right?

00:27:32.000 So to see that more than half of one political party is committed to Christian nationalism, again, we know that's not true.

00:27:40.960 Just a basic look at the survey shows it's not true.

00:27:46.260 We can't even look at the actual methodology.

00:27:49.380 We can't even look at the actual data, but just looking at the stuff that is reported in this very article by the very biased people who are reporting it, we already know that this line is not true, but it doesn't matter.

00:28:02.200 We're making the rhetorical argument.

00:28:04.080 This is the frame.

00:28:05.100 This is the splashy headline.

00:28:06.660 So we're just going to keep using it over and over again.

00:28:09.800 Christian nationalism is dominating a major political party, but also no one believes it, and it's deeply un-American.

00:28:16.140 And it's just – there's no consistency.

00:28:18.620 There's no consistency at all.

00:28:20.740 I think it explains a lot in terms of our ability to achieve much bipartisan agreement.

00:28:26.520 Again, so to be clear, the implication is that Democrats are not Christians, right? 0.59

00:28:33.960 Democrats, and okay, I guess I'll believe you if you say that.

00:28:38.280 Might be some Democrats who have some problems with that.

00:28:40.280 Maybe not.

00:28:40.860 It seems like Democratic Party is kind of happy to double down with that at this point, or at least not Christian in any meaningful sense. 0.88

00:28:46.860 But if you're saying there's no ability to have a bipartisan agreement if some people are Christian on the other side, what you're saying is actually the Democrats are just wildly intolerant of Christianity.

00:29:00.300 And there's no overlap.

00:29:02.200 There's no chance for bipartisan agreement if one party is Christian and the Democrats are in power because the Democrats simply have no truck with Christianity. 0.67

00:29:11.540 They have no way to find any kind of agreement with Christians. 0.99

00:29:15.860 So that's great.

00:29:16.700 That's a great frame right here.

00:29:19.040 And then we'll see another amazing piece of rhetoric here as they lump everything in.

00:29:23.040 So the survey also found a correlation between people who hold Christian nationalist views as well as anti-Black, anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic views, anti-Muslim views, and patriarchal views.

00:29:34.400 So surprise, surprise, we're going to poison the well again.

00:29:36.980 We're going guilt by association.

00:29:38.860 If you hold one view of this, you hold all of these views.

00:29:42.020 You hate everyone in the Democratic coalition.

00:29:44.460 And you do all the things that trigger all the civil rights violations and get you a nice FBI investigation.

00:29:50.000 So, yeah, shock.

00:29:51.540 Also, this one's fun here.

00:29:54.220 Patriarchal views and anti-Muslim views.

00:29:58.100 So Islam, kind of patriarchal, kind of a big feature of that faith.

00:30:05.960 So it's fun to watch them say, well, they might harbor these views and anti-these views.

00:30:12.880 Now, maybe they do, but it's just funny that they would juxtapose these.

00:30:17.460 Obviously, most Muslims would embrace patriarchal views. 1.00

00:30:21.820 They would have no problem with at least this portion of Christian nationalism if this was true, which, of course, it's not.

00:30:29.420 But moving on.

00:30:31.340 Republicans need to reckon.

00:30:32.980 I like this word.

00:30:33.940 I like the word reckon when the Democrats use this.

00:30:36.960 This always means that they want something terrible to happen.

00:30:39.600 And you'll notice that they threw a lot of racial reckoning language around during the George Floyd riots.

00:30:45.880 Oh, these are fine.

00:30:46.680 It's just a racial reckoning.

00:30:48.540 So this is kind of always them wishing evil on people whenever they throw a reckoning in here.

00:30:53.640 You'll notice that code all the time.

00:30:56.680 Tim Whitaker, founder of the New Evangelicals.

00:31:00.020 This sounds promising.

00:31:01.240 Grew up in the church and now spends his life trying to detangle these kinds of views from the evangelical faith.

00:31:06.700 Yeah, I'm sure we need to understand that the world of Christian nationalism largely rejects pluralism, which this study shows.

00:31:16.180 So, again, this is really interesting.

00:31:18.020 So the Democrats are for pluralism, right?

00:31:21.260 Or pluralism is American value.

00:31:24.200 What does pluralism mean in this context?

00:31:26.340 Well, pluralism means everyone believes what the left believes.

00:31:29.400 Pluralism believes that there is a homogenous moral understanding that descends directly from the progressive worldview.

00:31:38.360 Because it is not technically religious, right?

00:31:42.120 Because there's no holy book, because there's no official church, it gets to circumvent all the restrictions that Christianity or other religions fall under.

00:31:51.220 And so it's always the superior faith. 0.99

00:31:53.340 And so when we say pluralism, what we mean is everyone should be governed by progressivism.

00:31:59.620 It has nothing to do with actual tolerance of viewpoints or differences.

00:32:03.580 They won't tolerate Christians, of course. 1.00

00:32:06.900 That's very clear.

00:32:08.300 The FBI is now specifically targeting, we found out, Christian services, right?

00:32:14.160 They're actively looking at traditional Catholic services, ones that use the Latin mass, as possible hotbeds for radical activity.

00:32:22.460 So actually, federal law enforcement is already showing that it's deeply intolerant of Christianity or actually, you know, religious viewpoints.

00:32:31.100 When they say pluralism, what they really mean is the complete domination of the public square by leftism.

00:32:39.200 So most Christian nationalists, either adherent or sympathizers, either agree or strongly agree with the notion that they should live in a country full of other Christians.

00:32:46.760 I think that's actually just how religion works, or at least proselytizing religions, right?

00:32:51.420 Like, Christianity wants to spread the Christian religion to everyone.

00:32:55.840 Ooh, yeah.

00:32:57.540 You got us, guys.

00:32:59.020 Boom.

00:32:59.960 You know, that's, well, shocker.

00:33:02.300 Yeah, it turns out that the religion that explicitly says, go and make all men disciples of this religion and spread it everywhere.

00:33:10.840 Yeah, they would like the people around them to be Christians. 0.84

00:33:13.880 It doesn't imply anything about forced conversions or any other ridiculous extreme nonsense, but it doesn't matter. 0.63

00:33:21.560 We're going to pretend like this guy is, of course, from the New Evangelicals. 0.93

00:33:25.420 So I'm sure he's got a deep, deep and abiding Christian faith that compels him to say other people shouldn't be Christians.

00:33:32.580 Whitaker said that he has faith that most Americans will continue to reject these ideas when they hear them, but he's worried about the outsized influence of the Republican Party.

00:33:40.740 So which is it, okay?

00:33:42.440 Is this a direct threat?

00:33:43.820 Is this a popular thing?

00:33:45.320 Is this a massive movement that's captured over half of one of the two big parties in the United States?

00:33:52.740 Or is it this thing that everyone's going to reject and it's not a big deal and it's actually this minority viewpoint?

00:33:57.900 Like, pick one.

00:33:59.740 We can't get between paragraphs without them doing this over and over again.

00:34:05.500 In reality, the reality is that a lot of folks, especially the adherents, are very militant.

00:34:11.020 There you go.

00:34:12.200 There you go.

00:34:12.980 Are very militant in this belief that God has given them a mandate to rule over the nation.

00:34:17.740 So militant is an interesting word there.

00:34:19.840 But while we're talking about a mandate to rule the nation, you don't think that the left thinks it has a mandate to rule the nation?

00:34:26.900 This is probably the most politically impressive thing about the left as compared to the right.

00:34:32.240 The left thinks it has the mandate of heaven.

00:34:34.400 It thinks it has the right to rule.

00:34:36.800 That's how politics works, by the way.

00:34:38.700 Okay?

00:34:38.860 The team that wants to win always beats the team that wants to be left alone.

00:34:42.920 If you believe you have the right to rule, especially in a place that's supposed to have popular sovereignty, you are far more likely to succeed.

00:34:51.180 So the idea that, oh, God gave us the right to rule.

00:34:53.680 Well, who do you think progressives think gave them the right to rule?

00:34:56.240 Like, what, science or something?

00:35:00.140 They're on the right side of history.

00:35:02.140 So they just have some other name.

00:35:03.760 They just have some other justification, some metaphysical or quasi-metaphysical justification for their right to rule.

00:35:11.260 But make my mistake, the left thinks they have the right to rule much more than any Christian nationalist, sadly enough.

00:35:17.600 And so they are more than willing to push their ideas onto everyone through force of law at every opportunity.

00:35:24.340 And so for them, I think that a compromise is a sign of weakness, and the GOP needs to understand what they're dealing with.

00:35:30.300 To be clear, yeah, compromise is a sign of weakness, but that's all the GOP does.

00:35:33.860 So surprise, surprise.

00:35:34.840 According to the survey, adherents of Christian nationalism say that they will go to great lengths to impose their vision on the country.

00:35:44.260 Great lengths like, I don't know, creating children transition clinics that'll go around mutilating. 1.00

00:35:49.760 Oh, no, that's the left.

00:35:50.740 That's what the left does.

00:35:52.180 But yeah, Jones said that they found adherents are far more likely to agree with the statements.

00:35:56.860 True patriots might have to resort to violence.

00:35:59.720 So this is the whole point, right?

00:36:01.580 What they want to do is frame Christian nationalism as this dangerous extremist movement.

00:36:07.360 They want to reframe a majority opinion, one that was held throughout American history, one that was central to the American story, American law, American tradition, American culture throughout the entire American history until just a few decades ago.

00:36:21.920 And they want to reframe this as a radical insurgent movement that is interested in violence.

00:36:26.740 And they want to do this because they want to justify the persecution of Christians. 0.73

00:36:30.500 That's what this is about.

00:36:31.580 They want to use this frame as a legitimating mechanism to bring state power to bear on practicing Christians. 0.84

00:36:40.200 They already do this all the time.

00:36:41.700 It's already almost impossible for an actual Bible-believing practicing Christian to do basic things like get a job in the government or, you know, get a job in a major corporation. 0.93

00:36:53.160 To just have any, you know, you can lose all kinds of stuff.

00:36:57.020 You can, you know, get deplatformed from everything for just, you know, having basic Christian beliefs and espousing them anywhere.

00:37:03.500 So this is already something that's in the process.

00:37:06.500 We already know the FBI is targeting Christians specifically.

00:37:09.820 That's only going to expand.

00:37:11.920 That's what this framing is for, right?

00:37:13.800 Is to build this justification.

00:37:15.240 Now, is that everyone?

00:37:17.540 No, it's not everyone.

00:37:18.780 Well, yeah, of course it's not everyone.

00:37:20.620 Literally, you just said so in the statistics.

00:37:23.380 But it's a sizable minority.

00:37:26.060 Again, we're not sure if we're worried about that or not.

00:37:29.280 That are not only willing to declare themselves opposed to pluralism and democracy.

00:37:33.040 Now, again, actually, Marjorie Taylor Greene said specifically, I would like to do democracy, please.

00:37:39.080 However you might feel about democracy.

00:37:40.740 She said that.

00:37:41.680 She said, I want to represent my constituents.

00:37:44.600 My base says we would prefer a Christian nation.

00:37:48.080 We prefer Christian values in our nation.

00:37:49.560 I would like to represent them the way that the Constitution says I'm supposed to.

00:37:54.660 So is she opposed to democracy?

00:37:56.420 Well, yes, because in this sentence, what does democracy mean in this sentence?

00:37:59.680 What democracy means in this sentence is whatever the left wants, right?

00:38:03.520 Democracy isn't democracy unless it's enforcing the ideology of the left progressives.

00:38:08.640 When they say pluralism here, they mean rule by the left.

00:38:11.540 When they say democracy, they mean the progressive ideology.

00:38:15.500 That's what those words actually mean here.

00:38:17.280 And I am willing to fight and either kill or harm my fellow Americans to keep it that way. 1.00

00:38:22.060 Again, this demonization and attempt to link a basic belief in biblical Christianity to violence. 0.90

00:38:28.660 That's what this is all about.

00:38:31.420 All right, guys.

00:38:32.100 So that's the end of the article.

00:38:34.280 Sorry, I went a little longer than I expected to.

00:38:36.940 But hopefully that made some sense here.

00:38:39.300 Let me go ahead and grab some questions.

00:38:41.620 We've got some super chats here.

00:38:43.440 And then I'll go back and try to answer as many questions I can.

00:38:46.560 Because like I said, I want these streams to be a little more interactive.

00:38:50.180 It's, you know, normally I've got a guest and we're talking the whole time.

00:38:52.900 And we just kind of grab comments at the end.

00:38:56.400 But I'm hoping that we can do a little more back and forth on these.

00:39:00.560 And, you know, it makes a little more sense to have a dialogue around this stuff.

00:39:04.940 So let me pull up the super chats here.

00:39:06.980 We've got a few.

00:39:07.900 All right.

00:39:08.160 So Creeper Weirdo for $5.

00:39:09.960 Thank you very much, sir.

00:39:11.140 Do you think they use this because they couldn't make nationalism scary itself?

00:39:14.800 Or is it just to use the funny boogeyman?

00:39:18.460 So, yeah, that's a good question, right?

00:39:20.340 So Donald Trump, remember when the left lost their mind?

00:39:23.180 Because Donald Trump is like, yeah, I'm a nationalist.

00:39:26.040 They don't even know what that means, right?

00:39:27.860 The fun thing about nationalism is it doesn't even have a real definition for most of these people.

00:39:34.520 It's just a magical word that means bad at this point.

00:39:38.160 But there is some confusion.

00:39:39.980 I think you're right that nationalism in and of itself wasn't scary enough for them.

00:39:43.840 They need to add some other elements.

00:39:45.480 They needed to create other boogeymen. 0.77

00:39:48.380 And so that's why they needed to modify it.

00:39:50.680 I think it was, again, an attempt to kind of roll up a couple of groups that they see as a threat to total progressive hegemony in kind of one swoop.

00:40:01.780 And that's kind of why they wanted this term to be the term that they were going to push as kind of the scary thing that everyone needed to worry about.

00:40:08.640 Like I showed with kind of the narrative there, you can see that there were many different ways where they're trying to tie it, of course, to mid-century Germans' national socialism.

00:40:18.180 That's the obvious play that they're trying to make here.

00:40:21.120 Maybe that's going to fail. 0.99

00:40:23.280 Maybe this has been foolish on their part. 0.88

00:40:27.380 But that is what they wanted to do here.

00:40:31.780 I've got a few more super chats.

00:40:33.320 So the Creeper Weirdo again, thank you very much. 0.97

00:40:37.400 So we have a religious right and a godless left. 0.56

00:40:40.740 Yes, that's kind of interesting, of course.

00:40:43.120 Many people have pointed out that the left is not always afraid, of course, of Christianity.

00:40:48.500 They're more than happy to stand on the stage in black churches and tell them you have to go vote for Democrats and all this reason.

00:40:56.020 So it's not just this, but there is like a serious attempt to get rid of any Christianity that might override other political concerns, right? 0.91

00:41:08.140 Like if there's a Christianity that actually has teeth that wants to see its worldview implemented through law,

00:41:15.280 reflected in what's taught in schools or what the cultural norms are or what's allowed in certain venues, that's a problem. 0.99

00:41:23.200 And so I think that it is very foolish. 0.94

00:41:25.940 Again, there was this, we can't have compromises. 0.98

00:41:29.800 There is no way to make a compromise if the right is Christian, right? 1.00

00:41:34.160 Which is amazing that you're going to say we can't have any bipartisan compromise because, well, the Democrats just can't agree with any kind of Christianity.

00:41:41.500 So that's a very telling admission of kind of where they see Christianity and how they respond to it.

00:41:49.500 Let's see.

00:41:50.220 Adam E for $5.

00:41:51.520 I worry a feminine interpretation of Christianity will be mainstreamed to contain Christian nationalism. 0.67

00:41:59.420 He gets us is an ad campaign to this effect.

00:42:02.160 Yeah, let's talk about he gets us here for a second.

00:42:05.160 So that was kind of interesting.

00:42:07.160 I saw the Super Bowl commercial like everyone else, and I didn't know anything about the group when it aired.

00:42:13.700 And I could tell by the framing that this was a group that was probably kind of more left wing or at least a little more hippie, I guess, is the phrase you want to put to it in its Christian approach.

00:42:28.480 They very clearly were kind of they're trying to strike a balance.

00:42:36.240 They're trying to show both sides being angry and that, you know, Jesus brings us together.

00:42:41.180 And to be clear, Jesus should bring us together.

00:42:42.940 But you can kind of feel by the spirit of the commercial that there's probably a social justicy element to it.

00:42:49.000 And sure enough, with a little bit of research, there is.

00:42:52.420 It's very much got a social justice bent.

00:42:55.640 It's not a particularly aggressive right wing version of Christianity.

00:42:59.200 But the funny thing about it is that and to be very clear, Christianity should not be that your political leaning should not determine Christianity.

00:43:10.260 But that's another discussion.

00:43:11.980 So what's interesting is the response to this commercial, right, that this commercial was very offensive to the left.

00:43:21.220 You had AOC out there dissing this commercial, saying that it's covering for fascism.

00:43:28.420 You had people and I think it was a Jacobin magazine saying, oh, don't don't fall for the social justice part of this.

00:43:35.440 At the end of the day, it's making excuse me and making apologies for fascism and all this stuff.

00:43:40.780 So, again, they couldn't even let a left wing group try to promote some level of Christian understanding.

00:43:49.000 Right. We talk about an inability to create bipartisan bipartisan consistence.

00:43:53.580 The left couldn't let any version of Christianity, even a very left leaning, very soft, a very social justicey kind of dilution of Christianity.

00:44:03.400 They couldn't let that in to the public square.

00:44:06.360 Even that was offensive to them.

00:44:08.040 They went running for the hills.

00:44:09.260 They, you know, they they hissed and pulled back like a vampire in front of a cross. 0.93

00:44:12.720 So it's just interesting to be really clear, you know, there is no acceptable version of Christianity except one that just completely conforms to the left.

00:44:22.400 And sadly, there are many churches at this point.

00:44:25.720 There are a number of of denominations who are trying to head that direction.

00:44:29.740 They're trying to give into the popular zeitgeist and to the state at every turn.

00:44:35.000 They're tripping over themselves to do this.

00:44:37.540 It's it's gross.

00:44:38.540 It's it's it's horrible.

00:44:41.360 It's heretical, you know, obviously.

00:44:44.180 But they're doing it.

00:44:46.520 So so this does exist.

00:44:47.520 But even even any kind of Christianity, any kind of even, you know, just just a very basic let's all come together under Jesus message is just too much for the left.

00:44:56.860 They can't handle it.

00:44:57.880 And so do I do I think that there'll be a more feminine interpretation or just a softer interpretation of Christianity that will kind of contain Christian nationalism?

00:45:07.540 I don't know.

00:45:08.700 Again, it's hard to know where this language is going to go.

00:45:12.360 Like I said, one more time just for everybody, because I know, you know, talking about this can can get a lot of people angry in one one sense or another.

00:45:20.300 I'm not trashing people who use this term.

00:45:23.160 I'm not saying that they're not doing so in good faith.

00:45:25.340 There are many people who are doing so in good faith.

00:45:28.260 I'm just exploring the rhetorical ramifications and the way the left brought this. 0.97

00:45:33.760 Maybe this was a fool's errand by the left. 0.96

00:45:35.540 Maybe they've built a monster they can't contain. 0.98

00:45:37.920 Maybe they've awakened something in Christianity that will strengthen it and cause it to fight back against the complete totalizing of progressive ideology.

00:45:48.620 I sure hope that's true.

00:45:49.620 So so maybe that's going to be their their mistake.

00:45:52.580 But I just want us to understand why the left did what they did and why they're implementing their program and talk about the way that they have.

00:46:01.600 Christian Smitherman for two dollars.

00:46:03.420 Have you thought about talking to Stephen Wolf?

00:46:05.560 I have.

00:46:06.080 Yeah, I see Stephen on Twitter.

00:46:08.100 Follow him there.

00:46:09.720 And I have thought about that.

00:46:12.260 I probably will at some point.

00:46:13.540 Like I said, I've already done one stream on this with Paul Vander Clay.

00:46:17.780 If you want to go back and watch it, I think he gave a very good a very good kind of layout of the history, the biblical understanding of how our values should inform governance.

00:46:30.580 And we also touched on some of the issues.

00:46:32.740 Paul is a is an active minister.

00:46:35.040 He's a very bright guy.

00:46:36.480 And, you know, basically, his conclusion was, of course, our Christianity should be reflected in the laws and culture of our nation.

00:46:44.580 But I would not preach Christian nationalism from a pulpit because because our church is not strictly a political entity, which I think is probably the right thing. 0.98

00:46:55.180 Like you do need spheres where politics doesn't destroy and sully everything.

00:47:00.280 And that's not to say don't understand what's going on.

00:47:02.520 And it's not to say that the church should have nothing to say about political decisions.

00:47:06.440 It should.

00:47:07.080 But I do think there is probably some wisdom to saying that you shouldn't just get up there and say we adhere to this exact, you know, mainstream political movement, because that's that's the only thing that Christians do.

00:47:20.420 That does make it difficult for people to hear the more important things that should be coming from from kind of your Christian ministry.

00:47:29.920 Restoring your order here with just a donation.

00:47:32.260 Thank you very much.

00:47:33.200 Restoring your order.

00:47:33.900 Appreciate that, Patrick Casey.

00:47:36.400 Let's see.

00:47:38.000 David here also with a donation.

00:47:40.760 For some reason, it's not showing up.

00:47:43.000 I think it's I think it's 10 euros.

00:47:45.600 But thank you very much, David.

00:47:47.340 I appreciate that as well.

00:47:50.160 All right, guys.

00:47:50.780 Well, got near the end here.

00:47:53.360 I'm probably going to go ahead and wrap this up.

00:47:56.100 Like I said, I'm probably going to do more of these where I'm kind of just by myself.

00:47:59.960 But we take a piece of leftist kind of propaganda or left wing framing and we break down all the issues that are underlying it, why they're using the language they're using, why they're approaching the topic the way they are and kind of what we should think about it.

00:48:15.040 It's nice to have you guys here asking questions, helping me think about it, because I'm processing this, too.

00:48:19.900 I just want to be completely honest.

00:48:21.320 I have impulses.

00:48:23.540 I have thoughts about kind of how this approaches.

00:48:26.680 I've got people like Academic Agent who I think make some interesting points about Christian nationalism.

00:48:32.400 So there are a lot of thoughts moving around, you know, and I haven't completely settled one direction or the other on this.

00:48:39.320 But guys like Paul VanderKley and others, I think, have spoken well on this.

00:48:43.520 And I am interested to talk about Stephen Wolf.

00:48:45.980 I know he has he has written a book about this and probably has thought deeply about it.

00:48:51.540 So definitely want to to entertain more thinkers on this topic before just kind of jumping to a particular conclusion.

00:48:58.180 But what do I do?

00:48:59.100 I'm kind of more about the language, the political power, the way framing is used, how rhetoric works.

00:49:06.680 And so I thought I'd bring that aspect to it.

00:49:08.580 And hopefully we'll have some more streams like this, not necessarily just on Christian nationalism, but but other things where I see a piece that's written by the left or I see the way the left is using language or a frame.

00:49:19.800 And we kind of address that.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - February 16, 2023

Thinking About Christian Nationalism ｜ 2⧸16⧸23

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