In this episode, I discuss the framing of Christian nationalism by the left, and how they use it to delegitimize Christianity and its influence in the public square. I also talk about the role of the Bible in Christian nationalism, and why it matters to the left.
00:03:02.060You know, how does this connect to the Bible?
00:03:04.500You know, if you're looking for a stream that's going to give you a bunch of citations about whether or not the United States was a Christian country,
00:03:11.680You might want to go back and watch that one.
00:03:13.420This one is going to be more focused on the rhetoric of the left and the way that they're using the frame of Christian nationalism.
00:03:22.400Now, to start at the beginning, I want to be very clear, like Christ is king, obviously.
00:03:28.560I think, you know, as a Christian, you should understand that our Christian values do inform everything we do.
00:03:35.000And the idea that there's some completely secular space where we just kind of check our values at the door and we completely leave our religion behind for some set of neutral principles that run the nation in an efficient way.
00:03:51.000That's not what the left do either, of course.
00:03:52.900A lot of what's going on with this Christian nationalist framing by the left is they want to accentuate their advantage in the marketplace of ideas.
00:04:02.460In the United States, the left have very clearly used the distinction of separation of church and state,
00:04:10.040which their definition is nothing like what the founding fathers or or most United States citizens throughout history would have understood the separation of church and state to mean.
00:04:20.180But they've used this idea that no technically like formally religious religious thing can be entered into the public square as a way to kind of corner off any discussion about Christianity or its values and make any kind of use of Christianity in the moral realm a completely invalid thing for federal government or any other piece of the government.
00:04:43.120And so this has been a very effective tactic for them by setting up secular progressivism as the null hypothesis, the thing that is just automatically understood as true.
00:04:54.020They've been able to maneuver themselves into a position where any mention of Christian values automatically invalidates the position of the person holding them.
00:05:03.620And so they want to kind of frame everything in this context.
00:05:06.880But we want to look a little deeper into this article because I think it reveals a lot about what the left wants to do with the phrase Christian nationalism.
00:05:16.600Now, some of you probably already have guessed this, but again, United States, it's been a Christian nation the entire time.
00:05:25.240It's had deeply Christian values and understanding of public life.
00:05:29.180It was reflected in all kinds of legislation, both local and federal, recognized at every level.
00:05:37.120The Christian value set is baked in at every level of the United States history and legal procedure, its customs, its traditions, all of that.
00:05:50.220The idea that Christianity might inform some of this stuff is in no way novel or new.
00:05:55.940However, you've noticed that there's been a rise in the phrase Christian nationalism, explicitly this particular phrase Christian nationalism.
00:06:05.520And there's a very specific reason for that.
00:06:08.460Again, there are plenty of Christians who thought that Christianity should inform your legislative decisions, your values, all of this stuff.
00:06:17.800But this particular phrase was pushed by the media for a reason.
00:06:23.640Now, I want to be clear at the beginning that I'm not saying that those that use it or those that sincerely advocate for it are themselves, you know, people planted somewhere or have nefarious ulterior motives.
00:06:36.140I think most of them picked up a frame that was pushed by the media for a particular reason because they said, well, I'm a nationalist and I'm a Christian.
00:06:45.320And I want my Christian values to inform the laws of my nation.
00:07:13.940In fact, at the end of the day, they might even be right, as we'll talk about in this.
00:07:17.740I'm not even here to tell you don't use this phrasing necessarily.
00:07:21.460But I just want to I want us to all go into this looking at the way the left wants to use the frame of Christian nationalism so that we can make a more informed decision on kind of how we want to approach this topic.
00:07:34.500So let's go ahead and take a look here at the beginning from NPR, which, again, of course, remember, is literally state media.
00:07:42.220So this is an article directly from state media.
00:07:45.360This is not even from CNN or something pretending to be.
00:07:48.780But anyway, so more than half of Republicans support Christian nationalism, according to a new survey.
00:07:56.020So first thing you'll see, it says more than half of Republicans support Christian nationalism.
00:08:02.620Now, as we get in here, we're going to see, actually, that's not true at all.
00:08:06.020That was this was created specifically for the splashy headline, but it's journalism.
00:08:19.580So right at the beginning here, we've poisoned the well immediately.
00:08:23.260No, actually, this is not a fringe viewpoint at all.
00:08:26.900This is the default understanding of the American existence for a very long time.
00:08:33.700The United States has had this baked into, again, the fabric of its law and tradition for pretty much the entire time that it's been around.
00:08:41.620So we see right away, we're going to poison the well before we get in here.
00:08:45.700Just completely lying and trying to marginalize something before we've even talked about it.
00:08:50.600So Christian nationalism now has a foothold in American politics, particularly in the Republican Party.
00:08:57.920Well, yeah, I mean, we didn't think you guys were talking about the Socialist Party.
00:10:10.880And you actually go in and look at what the methodology was.
00:10:14.660You might find out, as I did several times when I was a reporter, that the polls that people were putting out and the headlines, the abstracts that they were putting out for reporters to kind of copy-paste into their stories were completely misleading.
00:10:27.160If you look at the methodology of the polls, often the splashy headline saying, oh, this is the definitive thing that people believe is actually well within the margin of error.
00:10:37.580So, of course, none of that is linked here.
00:10:39.720We don't have any information about the quality of these polls, but just so you understand, when people show you polling, they're generally showing you polling for a reason.
00:10:47.880And most generous journalists reporting on polling have no idea what they're talking about.
00:10:52.500They don't understand what was done in the poll.
00:10:54.520They don't understand how that information was arrived at.
00:10:58.340They literally just take the opinions that are formulated by the people who conducted the poll with a specific intentioned outcome in mind, and then they kind of just parrot that back to you in new language, which is why the whole chat GPT thing could just threaten journalists, because it can also regurgitate someone else's talking points pretty simply.
00:11:18.940So, researchers found that more than half of Republicans believe the country should be a strictly Christian nation.
00:13:26.000I'm not even here telling you it's not.
00:13:27.680I just want to explore why the left picked that phrase and what they're doing with it, right?
00:13:32.540So yes, of course, it's now being talked about and written about more in the media.
00:13:36.580It was specifically designed for that purpose.
00:13:38.560The left wants to scare its base, and it wants to box its opponents, and it did it with that phrase for a reason.
00:13:44.820Christian nationalism is a worldview that claims that the U.S. is a Christian nation.
00:13:50.400Again, yeah, okay, so the basic thing that's been true for almost the entirety of America's existence,
00:13:58.460nothing controversial there, nothing that should be controversial unless you get your history from the 1619 project,
00:14:03.860and that the country's laws should therefore be rooted in Christian values.
00:14:08.100So again here, what the left is going to do with this phrase over and over again is they're going to keep asserting that this is some kind of crazy theocratic idea,
00:14:17.740the idea that you should have your values rooted in Christian values.
00:14:22.040You should have your law rooted in Christian values.
00:14:25.660But of course, that's not crazy at all.
00:14:27.180This is largely where the morality of the West and the United States came from.
00:14:33.000It's what informs almost every social interaction, tradition, norm, all of this stuff throughout American history and most of Western history.
00:14:42.240And so this idea is in no way radical or new.
00:14:45.640It's very old and was very normal up until just a few decades ago in the United States.
00:14:51.120What the left is going to be doing is they're going to be playing the shell game.
00:14:53.860They're going to be saying, well, this is all radical theocratic stuff.
00:15:27.460Right. So they're casting this as some kind of radical outlier because they certainly don't want to return to the idea that there could be any competition for the values of progressivism.
00:15:38.680Progressivism is the only secular religion in town.
00:15:41.900And they're going to, of course, try to leverage the idea that America is based on this idea of pluralism.
00:15:47.360So you can't have anything but progressivism.
00:15:50.760Hilariously enough, that's the only thing allowed in your pluralistic society.
00:16:09.340So but lately it's been getting lip service in Republican ones, too.
00:16:13.920So the reason that they chose the phrase Christian nationalism is that they wanted to associate it with white nationalism.
00:16:22.000That's the whole reason that they wanted to push this idea.
00:16:25.440You'll notice that even though this is supposed to be Christian nationalism, they're never going to talk about the rise of this in Hispanic churches.
00:16:34.760They're not going to talk about the rise of this in black churches, even if this is something that maybe a number of Hispanic Catholics or something would be interested in.
00:16:43.160It's only white evangelical spaces that are the problem.
00:16:46.660And that was, of course, the the point that they're going to try to push at every opportunity here.
00:16:51.820During an interview at Turning Point USA event last August, Representative Major Marjorie Taylor Green said party leaders need to be more responsive to the party base, which she claimed to be made up of Christian nationalists.
00:17:07.860Now, you, again, hope that there would be a large base of Christians in the Republican Party.
00:17:13.680Unfortunately, that is something that has been dwindling.
00:17:16.120But it's certainly true that the majority of Republicans at least have some allegiance to Christianity.
00:17:22.460And if we're talking about democracy and this is the funny part you're going to get to here, they're going to talk about how dangerous this is to democracy.
00:17:28.700But of course, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene's appeal here is exactly to that democratic process.
00:17:34.940Right. We should be backing up our base.
00:17:38.460We should be listening to our base and we should be doing what they tell us to do, what they inform us that we should be doing.
00:17:44.460So her appeal here is directly to the idea of representative democracy.
00:17:48.480But we'll see that it's the wrong type of representative democracy.
00:18:28.060And they have been arguing along a line of Christian nationalism previously.
00:18:35.060But this term came into popular use a few years ago specifically because the media was pushing it very hard.
00:18:43.880They started floating the specter of Christian nationalism.
00:18:48.160And so, yeah, it's not surprising that the phrase wasn't in much use before in the Republican Party.
00:18:53.100Most people didn't feel the need to have some kind of explicit label on the fact that they wanted Christianity to inform their politics and their law.
00:19:02.360There was some data out there, but what we saw was a need to have a real set of data that would quantify what the term means, how many Americans really adhere to it, he said.
00:19:15.540And we also wanted to have a more nuanced view, not just people who were hard adherents, but maybe people who were, again, sympathetic.
00:19:23.040So, again, that's how they manufactured the number in the first place, that over 50 percent, by lumping in the idea of sympathetic people.
00:19:53.400Is it someone who thinks that some level of Christian value should be reflected in culture or law?
00:19:59.380Is it people who believe that only the Bible should be taught in school ever and no one should ever be able to believe in any other religion?
00:20:08.300It's simply people who might be sympathetic.
00:20:10.840Jones said that at just the beginning of his group's effort to track the prevalence of these views in America, he says, over time, we'll have a better idea of whether these views are becoming more or less widely held.
00:20:23.760Yeah, I'm sure there's going to be a nice little cottage industry for people who want to get a set of cures from the left researching Christian nationalism.
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00:21:03.200Americans broadly don't adhere to Christian nationalism.
00:21:06.640We appreciate your clarification there.
00:21:08.980So this is a very looming threat, but also no one believes it.
00:21:12.540Well, a majority of Republicans currently either adhere to or sympathize with Christian nationalism.
00:21:17.500So, again, we've already changed our frame to kind of incorporate the new thing we need to recognize, that even though this is a growing threat that so many people believe in, actually, we're now going to switch to the idea that democracy and majority rule says that it's not a big deal.
00:21:34.160And actually, not that many people believe in it is actually a weird and fringe thing.
00:21:37.720So we have this Schrodinger's ideology that at one moment exists and is very dangerous and is growing and is going to dominate all this stuff.
00:21:54.880This gets more ridiculous as we go on.
00:21:57.080So according to the study, only 10% of Americans total view themselves as adherents of Christian nationalism, and only 19% of Americans said that they sympathize with the views.
00:22:06.380Not sure, Christian Cobes de Muse, maybe is how to pronounce that, a history professor at Calvin University, said it's important to note that this is not a novel ideology in American families.
00:22:17.940Okay, well, at least that part is true.
00:22:20.960These ideas have been widely held throughout American history, and particularly since the 1970s with the rise of the Christian right.
00:24:15.080She said these adherents want to hold on to their cultural and political power.
00:24:19.620So here, this is kind of funny, right?
00:24:21.400This is something the left says a lot.
00:24:24.120Oh, these old white people or these old Christians, they can't get with the times.
00:24:30.620And they just want to hang on to their cultural and political power.
00:24:34.620Okay, so if you believe in a democratic mechanism, if you believe in democratic mechanism, and people want to have a say inside that mechanism, inside the democratic process, then why wouldn't Christians, for instance, gather together and lobby for something like Christianity in the public square?
00:24:57.560I mean, that seems perfectly natural, right?
00:25:00.260But of course, it's framed as if this is some kind of craven, desperate bid for power.
00:25:05.520No, you have, again, you believe in the democratic process, or you're supposed to in this article, right?
00:25:11.940I'm not a huge fan of democracy, but we'll get further into that.
00:25:14.600You're the ones who are supposed to believe in the democratic process, but you're going to scold people for saying, hey, actually, I think that using the democratic process, we should inform the laws being made through the process of, or through the worldview of Christianity.
00:25:33.500I don't understand why this is such a problem, but it's a problem because it's the wrong people availing themselves of the democratic process.
00:25:40.700And so we need to mock them, of course.
00:25:43.280In fact, according to the survey, half of Christian nationalists' adherents and nearly four in ten sympathizers said that they would support the idea of an authoritarian leader.
00:26:06.560They want to make – that's why you always hear them using phrases like, you know, Christo-fascist or however you're supposed to properly pronounce their made-up terminology because they specifically want to convey the idea that a belief in Christianity or the idea that Christianity should be a significant part of the culture and should inform your cultural values and your traditions, your legal proceedings, all this kind of stuff.
00:26:30.740The idea that all of that is just got to be tied to mid-century Germans, right?
00:26:36.220That's what this whole framing is about.
00:26:39.420They want to constantly reframe the discussion in this way.
00:26:44.620At its root, there are some deeply anti-democratic impulses here.
00:26:49.160Okay, so again, when Marjorie Taylor Greene says we should listen to our voters and we should represent their values and we should use the democratic process to infuse our values in the decisions that are being made, democracy is bad.
00:27:05.140But also, Marjorie Taylor Greene, who is talking about all this stuff, she's a threat to democracy, right?
00:27:11.180Christian nationalism, which is talking about using the democratic process to instill these values, to reflect these values in legislation or in kind of the Christian – or rather the United States in general, that's a problem.
00:27:25.160So sometimes we're a fan of democracy, sometimes we're not.
00:27:28.660It just depends if it's our democracy, right?
00:27:32.000So to see that more than half of one political party is committed to Christian nationalism, again, we know that's not true.
00:27:40.960Just a basic look at the survey shows it's not true.
00:27:46.260We can't even look at the actual methodology.
00:27:49.380We can't even look at the actual data, but just looking at the stuff that is reported in this very article by the very biased people who are reporting it, we already know that this line is not true, but it doesn't matter.
00:28:40.860It seems like Democratic Party is kind of happy to double down with that at this point, or at least not Christian in any meaningful sense.
00:28:46.860But if you're saying there's no ability to have a bipartisan agreement if some people are Christian on the other side, what you're saying is actually the Democrats are just wildly intolerant of Christianity.
00:29:02.200There's no chance for bipartisan agreement if one party is Christian and the Democrats are in power because the Democrats simply have no truck with Christianity.
00:29:11.540They have no way to find any kind of agreement with Christians.
00:29:19.040And then we'll see another amazing piece of rhetoric here as they lump everything in.
00:29:23.040So the survey also found a correlation between people who hold Christian nationalist views as well as anti-Black, anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic views, anti-Muslim views, and patriarchal views.
00:29:34.400So surprise, surprise, we're going to poison the well again.
00:31:24.200What does pluralism mean in this context?
00:31:26.340Well, pluralism means everyone believes what the left believes.
00:31:29.400Pluralism believes that there is a homogenous moral understanding that descends directly from the progressive worldview.
00:31:38.360Because it is not technically religious, right?
00:31:42.120Because there's no holy book, because there's no official church, it gets to circumvent all the restrictions that Christianity or other religions fall under.
00:31:51.220And so it's always the superior faith.
00:31:53.340And so when we say pluralism, what we mean is everyone should be governed by progressivism.
00:31:59.620It has nothing to do with actual tolerance of viewpoints or differences.
00:32:03.580They won't tolerate Christians, of course.
00:32:08.300The FBI is now specifically targeting, we found out, Christian services, right?
00:32:14.160They're actively looking at traditional Catholic services, ones that use the Latin mass, as possible hotbeds for radical activity.
00:32:22.460So actually, federal law enforcement is already showing that it's deeply intolerant of Christianity or actually, you know, religious viewpoints.
00:32:31.100When they say pluralism, what they really mean is the complete domination of the public square by leftism.
00:32:39.200So most Christian nationalists, either adherent or sympathizers, either agree or strongly agree with the notion that they should live in a country full of other Christians.
00:32:46.760I think that's actually just how religion works, or at least proselytizing religions, right?
00:32:51.420Like, Christianity wants to spread the Christian religion to everyone.
00:33:02.300Yeah, it turns out that the religion that explicitly says, go and make all men disciples of this religion and spread it everywhere.
00:33:10.840Yeah, they would like the people around them to be Christians.
00:33:13.880It doesn't imply anything about forced conversions or any other ridiculous extreme nonsense, but it doesn't matter.
00:33:21.560We're going to pretend like this guy is, of course, from the New Evangelicals.
00:33:25.420So I'm sure he's got a deep, deep and abiding Christian faith that compels him to say other people shouldn't be Christians.
00:33:32.580Whitaker said that he has faith that most Americans will continue to reject these ideas when they hear them, but he's worried about the outsized influence of the Republican Party.
00:34:38.860The team that wants to win always beats the team that wants to be left alone.
00:34:42.920If you believe you have the right to rule, especially in a place that's supposed to have popular sovereignty, you are far more likely to succeed.
00:34:51.180So the idea that, oh, God gave us the right to rule.
00:34:53.680Well, who do you think progressives think gave them the right to rule?
00:36:01.580What they want to do is frame Christian nationalism as this dangerous extremist movement.
00:36:07.360They want to reframe a majority opinion, one that was held throughout American history, one that was central to the American story, American law, American tradition, American culture throughout the entire American history until just a few decades ago.
00:36:21.920And they want to reframe this as a radical insurgent movement that is interested in violence.
00:36:26.740And they want to do this because they want to justify the persecution of Christians.
00:36:41.700It's already almost impossible for an actual Bible-believing practicing Christian to do basic things like get a job in the government or, you know, get a job in a major corporation.
00:36:53.160To just have any, you know, you can lose all kinds of stuff.
00:36:57.020You can, you know, get deplatformed from everything for just, you know, having basic Christian beliefs and espousing them anywhere.
00:37:03.500So this is already something that's in the process.
00:37:06.500We already know the FBI is targeting Christians specifically.
00:39:45.480They needed to create other boogeymen.
00:39:48.380And so that's why they needed to modify it.
00:39:50.680I think it was, again, an attempt to kind of roll up a couple of groups that they see as a threat to total progressive hegemony in kind of one swoop.
00:40:01.780And that's kind of why they wanted this term to be the term that they were going to push as kind of the scary thing that everyone needed to worry about.
00:40:08.640Like I showed with kind of the narrative there, you can see that there were many different ways where they're trying to tie it, of course, to mid-century Germans' national socialism.
00:40:18.180That's the obvious play that they're trying to make here.
00:40:33.320So the Creeper Weirdo again, thank you very much.
00:40:37.400So we have a religious right and a godless left.
00:40:40.740Yes, that's kind of interesting, of course.
00:40:43.120Many people have pointed out that the left is not always afraid, of course, of Christianity.
00:40:48.500They're more than happy to stand on the stage in black churches and tell them you have to go vote for Democrats and all this reason.
00:40:56.020So it's not just this, but there is like a serious attempt to get rid of any Christianity that might override other political concerns, right?
00:41:08.140Like if there's a Christianity that actually has teeth that wants to see its worldview implemented through law,
00:41:15.280reflected in what's taught in schools or what the cultural norms are or what's allowed in certain venues, that's a problem.
00:41:23.200And so I think that it is very foolish.
00:41:25.940Again, there was this, we can't have compromises.
00:41:29.800There is no way to make a compromise if the right is Christian, right?
00:41:34.160Which is amazing that you're going to say we can't have any bipartisan compromise because, well, the Democrats just can't agree with any kind of Christianity.
00:41:41.500So that's a very telling admission of kind of where they see Christianity and how they respond to it.
00:42:07.160I saw the Super Bowl commercial like everyone else, and I didn't know anything about the group when it aired.
00:42:13.700And I could tell by the framing that this was a group that was probably kind of more left wing or at least a little more hippie, I guess, is the phrase you want to put to it in its Christian approach.
00:42:28.480They very clearly were kind of they're trying to strike a balance.
00:42:36.240They're trying to show both sides being angry and that, you know, Jesus brings us together.
00:42:41.180And to be clear, Jesus should bring us together.
00:42:42.940But you can kind of feel by the spirit of the commercial that there's probably a social justicy element to it.
00:42:49.000And sure enough, with a little bit of research, there is.
00:42:52.420It's very much got a social justice bent.
00:42:55.640It's not a particularly aggressive right wing version of Christianity.
00:42:59.200But the funny thing about it is that and to be very clear, Christianity should not be that your political leaning should not determine Christianity.
00:43:11.980So what's interesting is the response to this commercial, right, that this commercial was very offensive to the left.
00:43:21.220You had AOC out there dissing this commercial, saying that it's covering for fascism.
00:43:28.420You had people and I think it was a Jacobin magazine saying, oh, don't don't fall for the social justice part of this.
00:43:35.440At the end of the day, it's making excuse me and making apologies for fascism and all this stuff.
00:43:40.780So, again, they couldn't even let a left wing group try to promote some level of Christian understanding.
00:43:49.000Right. We talk about an inability to create bipartisan bipartisan consistence.
00:43:53.580The left couldn't let any version of Christianity, even a very left leaning, very soft, a very social justicey kind of dilution of Christianity.
00:44:03.400They couldn't let that in to the public square.
00:44:09.260They, you know, they they hissed and pulled back like a vampire in front of a cross.
00:44:12.720So it's just interesting to be really clear, you know, there is no acceptable version of Christianity except one that just completely conforms to the left.
00:44:22.400And sadly, there are many churches at this point.
00:44:25.720There are a number of of denominations who are trying to head that direction.
00:44:29.740They're trying to give into the popular zeitgeist and to the state at every turn.
00:44:35.000They're tripping over themselves to do this.
00:44:47.520But even even any kind of Christianity, any kind of even, you know, just just a very basic let's all come together under Jesus message is just too much for the left.
00:44:57.880And so do I do I think that there'll be a more feminine interpretation or just a softer interpretation of Christianity that will kind of contain Christian nationalism?
00:45:08.700Again, it's hard to know where this language is going to go.
00:45:12.360Like I said, one more time just for everybody, because I know, you know, talking about this can can get a lot of people angry in one one sense or another.
00:45:20.300I'm not trashing people who use this term.
00:45:23.160I'm not saying that they're not doing so in good faith.
00:45:25.340There are many people who are doing so in good faith.
00:45:28.260I'm just exploring the rhetorical ramifications and the way the left brought this.
00:45:33.760Maybe this was a fool's errand by the left.
00:45:35.540Maybe they've built a monster they can't contain.
00:45:37.920Maybe they've awakened something in Christianity that will strengthen it and cause it to fight back against the complete totalizing of progressive ideology.
00:45:49.620So so maybe that's going to be their their mistake.
00:45:52.580But I just want us to understand why the left did what they did and why they're implementing their program and talk about the way that they have.
00:46:13.540Like I said, I've already done one stream on this with Paul Vander Clay.
00:46:17.780If you want to go back and watch it, I think he gave a very good a very good kind of layout of the history, the biblical understanding of how our values should inform governance.
00:46:30.580And we also touched on some of the issues.
00:46:36.480And, you know, basically, his conclusion was, of course, our Christianity should be reflected in the laws and culture of our nation.
00:46:44.580But I would not preach Christian nationalism from a pulpit because because our church is not strictly a political entity, which I think is probably the right thing.
00:46:55.180Like you do need spheres where politics doesn't destroy and sully everything.
00:47:00.280And that's not to say don't understand what's going on.
00:47:02.520And it's not to say that the church should have nothing to say about political decisions.
00:47:07.080But I do think there is probably some wisdom to saying that you shouldn't just get up there and say we adhere to this exact, you know, mainstream political movement, because that's that's the only thing that Christians do.
00:47:20.420That does make it difficult for people to hear the more important things that should be coming from from kind of your Christian ministry.
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00:47:53.360I'm probably going to go ahead and wrap this up.
00:47:56.100Like I said, I'm probably going to do more of these where I'm kind of just by myself.
00:47:59.960But we take a piece of leftist kind of propaganda or left wing framing and we break down all the issues that are underlying it, why they're using the language they're using, why they're approaching the topic the way they are and kind of what we should think about it.
00:48:15.040It's nice to have you guys here asking questions, helping me think about it, because I'm processing this, too.
00:48:59.100I'm kind of more about the language, the political power, the way framing is used, how rhetoric works.
00:49:06.680And so I thought I'd bring that aspect to it.
00:49:08.580And hopefully we'll have some more streams like this, not necessarily just on Christian nationalism, but but other things where I see a piece that's written by the left or I see the way the left is using language or a frame.