In the wake of the recent attack in Ireland that left a young girl dead, conspiracy theories have swirled around the possibility that immigration issues are to blame. In this episode, I speak with Carl Ben-Benjamin from The Lotus Eaters about this and much more.
00:08:42.280It's always, everything is justified due to this struggle.
00:08:46.460But Ireland does not have this history.
00:08:48.220Ireland does not fit into that narrative cleanly,
00:08:50.480and it becomes very clear that the only reason this applies to them is that they're white, right?
00:08:55.800It becomes difficult to pretend that there's actually a historical narrative of liberation involved in the current replacement of their population.
00:09:05.160Yeah, there is no oppressed people that can be pointed to in the case of the Irish,
00:09:10.720because they are the oppressed people that fought for ethnic self-determination.
00:09:15.240And in fact, I did see a clip going around this afternoon of the Irish parliament,
00:09:19.500where one member had called another member a white supremacist.
00:10:44.600Do you think that this is, in a decent amount, a consequence of their desire to economically modernize?
00:10:55.560They opened themselves up to becoming a corporate tax haven.
00:11:00.140They brought in a large amount of managerial elites from outside the country, opened the doors of immigration through that.
00:11:06.160And suddenly, this switches over their government in a way where it's interested in becoming a global citizen.
00:11:14.200And lo and behold, Ireland is no longer a place where Irish people are welcome.
00:11:18.520I don't know about bringing in foreign managerial elites, because from what I've seen, and I'm not in Ireland, so I'm not directly firsthand experiencing any of this.
00:11:29.920But we are quite close to Ireland, and, of course, we've got a lot of cultural contact with a lot of Irish people in Britain.
00:11:35.600And I'm sure there are lots of British people in Ireland.
00:11:37.500So, from what I've seen, actually, all I've seen is native Irish people who have adopted the managerial woke paradigm and seek to impose that inappropriately on Ireland.
00:11:52.260So, now they have to somehow rejig it so that the Irish are white supremacists and that there's always been a non-white underclass in Ireland or something, some nonsense like that.
00:12:03.020And the Irish have actually been keeping them down this whole time.
00:12:08.200Just like everywhere else, who could have predicted?
00:12:10.480I think these people have accepted the paradigm that the European elites, in particular, have operated on, which is this kind of woke managerial paradigm.
00:12:57.180Because, of course, they're still a part of the European Union.
00:12:59.960And they used to be a net beneficiary of European money.
00:13:05.560They've only, only in the past few years, they've flipped and become a net payer to the European Union.
00:13:10.660So, we'll see how long that lasts for, I suppose.
00:13:14.180But it probably is intricately connected to the flow of money and business to Ireland.
00:13:20.520And this probably is a kind of, there's a particular term that escapes me because I'm shattered.
00:13:27.780But it's a kind of deal with the devil, definitely.
00:13:31.740Yeah, I should have said the importation of the ideology more than the particular members of the class.
00:13:36.780But, yeah, I think you're right that that is something that's key.
00:13:40.920I also wonder how much the weakening of the Catholic Church and its identity has on their ability to kind of resist that.
00:13:51.340And see things, you know, make a case beyond the purely material as to why this would be something worth defending.
00:13:57.780You know, that's interesting because I went over there, I think it was 2017.
00:14:02.040And at the time, I'm sure it was 2017, 2018.
00:14:08.480And I was just going to visit a bunch of places.
00:14:11.840And at the time, they were having a referendum on abortion.
00:14:14.940And so, every lamppost, you had two posters, one pro, one anti.
00:14:19.800And as I understand it, the pro-abortion side of the argument, one, which does definitely indicate there is a waning of Catholicism in Ireland, of all places.
00:14:31.260And so, it seems that the dark tendrils of materialism can penetrate even the most religious of hearts in the end.
00:14:39.100They just keep churning and churning and churning and eventually they get what they want.
00:14:46.920Now, talking about the response, like you said, this might be the one place that does have a good pushback.
00:14:54.840One thing we saw right after were riots that followed what had happened here.
00:15:00.280Something that I think would surprise most, usually the writing that is done in other Western nations, is of the oppressed group, in theory.
00:15:10.520And instead, it was an actual reaction by the native people of Ireland.
00:15:16.260Now, interestingly, I was watching some content from a follower who is Irish.
00:15:21.340And he said that a lot of the people involved here were kind of street hooligans who had been causing a general problem in Dublin.
00:15:29.180They may not have been specifically motivated solely by this, though that was probably part of it.
00:15:37.820And so, it felt like there was a mixed reaction in that many people outside of Ireland saw this as kind of the average person rising up.
00:15:46.520And it turns out that the right is indeed the voice of the unheard all of a sudden.
00:15:52.660However, some people who even those who were right wing in Ireland saw this as more of a mixed bag where it was good to see people caring about this, but that maybe the purity of the action was not ideological in the way that some people might want it to be.
00:16:09.460I can't imagine there's ever been a riot in all of history where it was made up of respectable middle class types, to be honest.
00:16:20.420I don't know what the composition of the rioters was, obviously.
00:16:23.480All I heard was Irish accents and white Irishmen.
00:16:27.000But I can't imagine that they're home-earning well-to-do's.
00:16:32.720I imagine they probably are from the lower classes.
00:16:35.660So, obviously, someone who has kind of been pushed to the forefront by all of this has been UFC fighter Conor McGregor.
00:16:44.760He's very vocal about what happened on Twitter.
00:16:48.340He had some very blunt statements about why the government had failed and why people should not be taking this.
00:16:58.560Now, he did distance himself from the actions of the rioters a little bit later and did say, you know, hey, this is the right feeling but the wrong response and we should be taking more substantive political actions and these kind of things.
00:17:13.320But the reaction has immediately been by the Irish government that this guy needs to be investigated and that censorship needs to follow.
00:17:21.580We're already seeing talk of new hate speech laws, possibly throwing people in jail for having memes on their phone.
00:17:28.180Just the reaction of the government has been severe, especially when it seems like directly in relationship to the fact that McGregor was driving a large amount of interest and focus on what was happening.
00:17:41.780So, the Irish hate speech bill, it's got a particular name, but I can't remember off the top of my head, was actually proposed in 2022.
00:17:50.580Because this is not in any way new or unusual for Western liberal democracies.
00:17:56.400The United States is the only place that is insulated from this.
00:18:19.220So, you know, like I said, insulated but not immune.
00:18:23.040But the Irish one is – so the progressive Irish government and the sort of uniparty controlling the Irish Parliament or Senate are well aware that they're going to need something like this and have had this in progress.
00:18:36.160I don't think it's passed yet, but it's definitely something they're getting towards fruition.
00:18:42.340And this is definitely going to be used as justification why this needs to be hurried through.
00:18:47.120Because allowing Irish citizens to make a characteristic judgement about a group is apparently off the table.
00:18:55.760You're just not allowed to do that in a liberal democracy.
00:18:59.000Obviously, you cannot make a sweeping, judgmental characterisation of any group at all, actually.
00:19:05.280There's literally nothing that isn't protected at this point.
00:19:08.320And Ireland is going to do the same thing.
00:19:09.700Theirs is going to be worse than Britain's somehow.
00:19:15.180You'll get five years in jail, I think it is, if you don't open your phone for them.
00:19:18.720I thought, oh, okay, that's very progressive.
00:19:23.240And, of course, as you say, you know, you'll end up going to jail for memes.
00:19:26.460Because, at least in Britain, you have to have sent something via a public communication network.
00:19:32.160In Ireland, it'll just be the possession of the thing.
00:19:35.260So, but this, I find this particularly fascinating, though.
00:19:39.040Because, of course, what we get is, what we're hearing is the constant refrain of the far right, the far right.
00:19:44.060But, not refrains about stabbings, and I hasten to remind everyone that this is not the first time this has happened in Ireland.
00:19:51.180Many people now have been killed, in fairly recent months, by migrants.
00:19:57.260So, this is something that has been bubbling up to the surface.
00:20:00.840A migrant stabbing three children and two adults in broad daylight and killing one of them was just the kind of tipping point there.
00:20:08.280And, instead of saying, okay, there appears to be a problem with the category of immigrants, because not all immigrants are the same.
00:20:17.920Some immigrants come from some places and have particular values, and others come from other places and have different values.
00:20:24.520And, actually, you'd think a sensible government, in any other time and place, would be discriminating about that.
00:20:31.060And, say, okay, we'll take immigrants from there, but we won't take immigrants from there.
00:20:34.120Very much like Donald Trump wanted to do with his, quote, Muslim ban, he appreciated that there are differences of peoples around the world.
00:20:41.880I mean, one could argue that that's what diversity is, actually, recognising differences between people.
00:20:48.640But, instead of saying maybe there's something wrong with our immigration policy, the Irish government have said, right, the far right are the problem.
00:21:42.600What do they see as a threat to their regime?
00:21:45.100Their regime contains, as a normal feature, migrants stabbing children.
00:21:50.660That's a normal feature of their regime, which is why they weren't outraged by it, which is why they're going to take no action over it, and which is why they're only going to take action against the people who want action taken about the normal feature of their regime.
00:22:03.420And, people should, people do well to remember that.
00:22:06.820Yeah, you know, obviously, this feels, this is far more concentrated in Europe because it's happened suddenly.
00:22:13.620It's been over a much shorter amount of time.
00:22:16.060In America, we boiled the frog much slower.
00:22:19.160There's a large amount of this kind of thing that happens in the United States, but we, you know, we got rid of our, what we used to have, which was a quota system for immigration across different nations that were more compatible with the United States and its values.
00:22:33.700And instead, we just simply decided that borders aren't a thing that we're ever going to have anymore.
00:22:37.460Just to correct you on that, the frog has actually been boiling for quite a long time in Europe as well.
00:22:43.180It just hasn't been boiling for very long in Ireland.
00:22:46.080And the Irish elites see what the rest of the European elites do and think, well, we're a bunch of backwater hicks compared to the Germans and the French.
00:22:54.060Therefore, we're going to have to catch up with them as quick as possible.
00:22:56.200So next time we're at an international EU meeting, we can look around and go, yes, we have diversity in Ireland too.
00:23:02.620Aren't we as clever and forward-thinking and progressive as you?
00:23:05.400But the thing is, the German and French elites and the British elites had to spend decades to get to the point where they're at now, where the public is just so beaten down that, okay, yep, terrible things are happening, and yet for some reason we don't do anything.
00:23:19.860The Irish public have not been sufficiently demoralized by their elites yet, because their elites are stupid and vainglorious.
00:23:28.920And that's why I'm actually vaguely optimistic on that one.
00:24:12.500And now it's just been 25-plus years of nonstop, just catastrophic immigration.
00:24:23.960But the elites managed to keep a handle on things and learned how to manage the situation, whereas the Irish elites clearly have not learned how to manage this situation.
00:24:34.600And hopefully that is an Achilles heel.
00:24:38.340Yeah, see, we got heart seller in the United States in the 1960s.
00:24:42.200So I think – well, I would certainly agree that Britain and Germany and France were running this far in advance of Ireland.
00:24:50.300I think we might, unfortunately, have you beat by several decades.
00:24:53.760But you do also have ideological advantages over us when it comes to this.
00:24:57.780I mean, being a propositional nation might not actually be brilliant, but at least it does allow you to integrate new immigrants and give them a suite of ideals that you can say, well, look, just do this and your neighbors will like you.
00:25:10.600There's very little that foreigners can do to make their neighbors like them other than be good people in Britain.
00:25:17.320There isn't just a catechism to profess, you know.
00:25:21.740There's no British ideal or English ideal because we're ancient ethnic states, not revolutionary propositional ones.
00:25:32.640Unfortunately, that hasn't saved us from that fate.
00:25:37.880So interesting that all of these governments have found mass immigration to be.
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00:26:15.560Like you said, the constituency they're going to fight for.
00:26:19.320No matter how the outcome seems to be kind of obvious and difficult to sell to people on its face, they still seem to push forward with this.
00:26:29.140Do you think that this is part of kind of a mechanism connected to democracy that's simply swelling?
00:26:36.900Or is this economic? Is this a purely ideological part of liberalism?
00:26:44.600What do you think is driving kind of this uniform move by elites across these nations towards backing the importation of military-aged men not from their nation in who might take actions that could endanger the populace?
00:27:00.500So, I think you're hitting on it where it is a combination of factors, but I think you've summarized them all pretty well.
00:27:07.920I think the main ones are ideological and economic.
00:27:11.740But there's also this weird moral undercurrent to it as well, which starts to get a little bit Freudian, I think.
00:27:20.460The primary economic one is the fact that European economic growth has been very sluggish.
00:27:27.940And so the bureaucrats look at their spreadsheets and they say, well, the average wage is £25,000 or whatever it is, or however many, €30,000, whatever it is.
00:27:38.900And so if we just increase the number of people in the country, then we have increased economic growth by just multiplying the average wage by the number of people to get an estimate of the size of the economy.
00:27:49.980And so that's one way that they want economic growth.
00:27:53.900They think this will, rather than increase productivity or increase real wages or anything like that, this is the easiest way, frankly, as far as they can tell.
00:28:02.540And the second thing is that, and again, this is deeply tied to the economics, is that the European birth rate has collapsed since the advent of the birth control pill.
00:28:11.280What's interesting is data on this shows that it's not that women are actually individually having fewer children, it's that fewer women are having children.
00:28:20.580So when a woman has children, she's likely to have two or three, but fewer women are just having children because of birth control.
00:28:27.860But what this means is pensions have to be paid for, and they're well aware that the pension scheme is kind of like a Ponzi scheme that requires an ever-increasing population.
00:28:39.940And maybe in 1955 or whenever the pension scheme was brought in, this seemed plausible, but it was in the 60s that the birth control pill was brought in,
00:28:47.920and that just caused the population to stagnate or flatline, if not decline.
00:28:52.480And so they are looking at their sheets and they're saying to themselves, well, someone's going to have to pay for the old people who are the ones who are voting for us to get their pensions.
00:29:01.560And if we don't get them their pensions, they're going to stop voting for us.
00:29:04.340I'm not going to be the one who destroys the retirement state because that will be a black mark against me forever.
00:29:12.700And so we're going to need young people in order to pay for these pensions.
00:29:16.220Now, this, of course, turns us into a kind of demographic black hole because it turns out that actually when immigrants come over here, everyone was like, oh, my God, they're going to outbreed us.
00:29:44.080That's very quick because it turns out even Muslim women, when given access to birth control, like, yeah, OK, I think I will.
00:29:50.480And so and they seem to forget that also immigrants grow old.
00:29:54.840And so they're going to have to import more immigrants in order to pay for those ones.
00:30:00.260And so we've just got this downward demographic spiral.
00:30:03.200But then secondly, this is all facilitated by materialist liberal ideology, as in the idea that human beings are merely individuals detached from space, time, continuum, culture, civilization.
00:30:21.620They're all just fungible, interchangeable nodes on a graph.
00:30:29.720And therefore, we can just bring anyone in.
00:30:31.960But then you start to get the sort of moral impetus that comes from this, where it becomes necessary and desirable to have the entire world living with you.
00:30:43.280Because otherwise, there's something retrograde or backwards looking about you.
00:30:49.860If you aren't trying to save the rest of the world by bringing them into our countries to allow them to take partake of the living standards that we have, then you are in some way confining them to hell.
00:31:05.720They act as if the countries that the people come from are simply not worthy of human life.
00:31:12.240That's why they want to get them all in.
00:31:14.640The poor refugees are suffering in their countries.
00:31:16.900And so we have to have them in this country and you have to pay for the hotels.
00:31:21.020And so there's a kind of messianic motheringness to this, as if these people weren't just getting along just fine in their own countries before they decide to get on boats and invade our countries.
00:31:30.960And so you've got this mixture of ideology, economic necessity, and moral crusade that is, I think, the real force behind why they just can't stop, why they're totally addicted to this model.
00:31:50.100And obviously, it can't go on forever.
00:31:52.960Yeah, the abuse of the asylum system seems to be key across the board here, too, where a system that originally was created to let women and children who managed to barely escape a war with the clothes on their backs to find some refuge inside a country for a small amount of time before you're figuring out how to rebuild the place from which they came.
00:32:18.760And has turned into a reason that, you know, any 22-year-old should be able to walk into a country and immediately receive every benefit and service provided by that country, including housing, which is, you know, like I said, I think medical care and housing have continued to be the real linchpins of kind of this.
00:32:38.820Like he said, a lot of people imported these populations with the hope of saving their pension systems.
00:32:44.440But while they've attempted, they've managed to keep, you know, the 70-year-olds from running out of money, they've bankrupted the 20-year-olds and they've ensured that they won't have any more children, that there'll be a demographic collapse inside their own nations because they've imported people that have driven up the cost of the things that you need when you're young.
00:34:43.560And so I think there is a kind of perverse pleasure that they take in it as well.
00:34:47.960Yeah, there is an amazing, again, a feature that echoes across all of these elites is a pure hatred of kind of the middle class of their nation.
00:35:26.200They weren't what I consider to be the middle class.
00:35:29.420And so there's a cultural disconnect there.
00:35:32.440Because in Britain, the middle class are the office-working, managerial, woke types who want to remain in the EU and want to flood our countries with immigrants.
00:35:42.000Everything that the Trump supporters are in my replies getting angry at me are against.
00:35:47.120I don't understand why you felt attacked by that.
00:35:49.980So obviously, this is different terminology between the countries.
00:35:54.780But, I mean, in Britain, it's very much the working class, which is why Tommy Robinson is treated in the way that he is.
00:36:01.160It really just comes down to his accent.
00:36:04.040Yeah, I guess in America, it would be better to designate a blue collar and white collar.
00:36:07.360Because in the United States, middle class means you have the ability to own your own home and possibly your own business.
00:36:13.200But we have plenty of plumbers and people who are tradesmen who are wealthy.
00:36:19.400But for them, it's an economic achievement, not a transition from type of work.
00:36:25.840Our class system is cultural, not economic.
00:36:29.040There are plenty of middle class people that are piss poor.
00:36:32.700I've got a cousin who's very working class who definitely earns more than my middle class brother-in-law, for example.
00:36:40.700You know, so money isn't actually, it often correlates with class status.
00:36:45.240But like you say, the working class actually have an advantage.
00:36:48.760They do things with their hands and they build things.
00:36:51.360And that actually is a valuable skill, no matter where you are and what's going on.
00:36:56.220And so they can always earn a decent living as long as they're hardworking and diligent men.
00:37:00.860Whereas middle class people who have just got office skills, who can be replaced by literally anyone from anywhere in the world who can type on a keyboard.
00:37:07.660They actually are often, well, find themselves economically depressed by the current situation.
00:37:19.800Over here, it's about perceived status in society and kind of breeding.
00:37:27.440And I mean, the difference between Douglas Murray and Tommy Robinson is literally the way they talk in Britain.
00:37:33.040And that's everything, you know, because everything comes from the perception of how they talk.
00:37:38.020It's perceived that the working class person will behave boorishly, whereas the person who speaks with a very refined accent will behave very well.
00:37:47.620And I've experienced this myself with my accent.
00:37:51.180And my accent is very mid of the range in Britain.
00:37:54.080Like the Americans often think I've got a posh accent.
00:41:27.040You know, it feels like going forward, you're going to need people like Trump.
00:41:32.080You're going to need people like McGregor.
00:41:33.500You're going to need people from outside the establishment who are willing to just not care and say things and are going to take attitudes that are not polished and focus tested if you're going to break through with any of this stuff.
00:41:47.060And I think that's why people were so excited to see someone like McGregor step up and take a position for the working class person, for the average person in Ireland, and not carefully hedge his language when he steps in.
00:42:00.180I thought his language was actually very careful.
00:44:02.940You need to explore the managerial capacity and its transformation of a college degree into, or captivity, sorry.
00:44:09.240And its transformation of a college degree into an idol in the ensuing American evangelical diaspora, resulting in the separation of the body of Christ, causing the church to become ineffective.
00:44:26.360You'll see the first half of that question answered in my book that's going to be coming out, The Total State.
00:44:32.560I get into the college degree and kind of why it became critical to the managerial state and why it captured institutions via that mechanism.
00:44:42.560Interesting, I guess, the second part would be whether this actually broke up religious communities.
00:44:47.280I think it broke up all communities in the United States as kind of the IQ shredder aspect of these kind of these different cities and their academic centers kicked in.
00:44:59.820They started sorting and they started removing and destroying communities that way.
00:45:03.700But that's going to be that's a global phenomenon that these economic centers have deracinated most of the populations that they sift.
00:45:12.700And so that's not particular just in the United States, though, you could definitely chart the way that it particularly impacted the United States, because I think, obviously, that did separate large chunks of kind of geographically rooted churches that then lost their ability to push back against other features of the total state, which I think is pretty important.
00:47:17.320There are loads of examples in ancient history of tribes, like the Aravingis and the Theungurais or something like that from Caesar's Gallic Wars, where they decide to form a conjoined tribe.
01:05:10.680And so I think that the mechanisms that drive people to leftist outcomes are not the same ones that drive people towards rightist outcomes.
01:05:17.120You have to reestablish societal core truths for a right to properly reestablish itself.
01:05:22.620And that doesn't happen in the same process that the leftist...
01:05:25.960That's a long debate that we can have another time.
01:06:44.180Well, the thing is just, again, like, the problem of the dissonant right is still, at this point, sees liberalism as the lodestone that everything is dragged towards.
01:06:58.680And they don't see themselves as being a center of gravity.
01:07:02.240And I think that's wrong, because I think it is actually a center of gravity.
01:07:06.420And there's a kind of lack of self-confidence in the dissonant right because of this.
01:07:11.380You know, they're desperately trying not to get sucked into the goo of liberalism, you know.
01:07:16.040And actually, I think, I'm going to write something on this, because it's quite a long thing.
01:07:22.680But I think there's a particular way of conceiving of these things.
01:07:24.940It's actually, if we use the right language, we kind of make our own position inevitable.
01:07:30.720And I do think our position is inevitable.
01:07:33.500No, I'd be interested in that, because I certainly think that that's true.
01:07:37.160But I'd be interested to see how you get there.
01:07:40.020I think the insecurity about, like, you know, new people and celebrities and stuff like that, I think it's because of that.
01:07:45.900Whereas the left do see themselves as the inevitable consequence of liberalism.
01:07:50.000So they are totally fine to just go balls to the wall.
01:07:53.460Oh, yeah, you know, you're our guy, you're our guy.
01:07:56.020You know, they're not insecure about that at all.
01:07:58.900Well, I think for a large amount also for the DR, that it is not yet one thing.
01:08:03.880And so because of that, it can't say you're our guy because they don't even know what their guy looks like at this point.
01:08:59.760But, like, if they'd remained a part of Britain, they would have been subject to the same settler colonial narrative that we are.
01:09:09.960And so the Irish wouldn't have had the kind of strong defensive fortification that they have in, no, we are the colonized people, actually.
01:09:53.460That was when I first became a fan of Bill Maher, because he is a liberal, but that's because that's the only narrative he's being given.
01:09:59.920And he's never been given a persuasive narrative to the contrary.
01:10:03.660You know, and I think Bill Maher would actually be receptive to a persuasive narrative if it were presented to him.
01:10:09.400And so, basically, in Bill Maher's notifications constantly, he should have the persuasive narrative from our side about, you know, love of the home, the hearth, tradition, continuity presented to him.
01:10:18.360And I think it would maybe start getting through.
01:10:22.100No, he's not the zealot that lots of other people are.
01:10:27.220Like, Jon Stewart is never going to hear you, right?
01:11:42.340He has to say, even though he's been milking that IDW gravy train for a long time, he still has to come out and, like, you know, make it throw his jokes about Jethro in the middle of the country because Gadsad has a class war with that guy.
01:11:58.300That, like, his identity is built around being better than that person.
01:12:02.060I can smell that a mile away because I'm part of the class.
01:12:43.460Otherwise, they wouldn't throw that out.
01:12:45.240Otherwise, that wouldn't snap off that way.
01:12:46.960I think that Gadsad is not actually as bad as people think.
01:12:52.280And I think it's just the recent kerfuffle with Israel and Palestine that has brought out a bad side of him.
01:12:59.660But I actually don't think that he's congenitally like this all the way.
01:13:03.100But, again, I've been proved wrong before, and I may well be wrong on this.
01:13:10.960But I get the feeling that if I were to be able to have a frank conversation with a bunch of these people, I could possibly change their mind.
01:13:19.040But, again, I'm happy to be just labeled the eternal optimist on this.
01:13:24.900But I'm not sure that these – I think for a lot of these guys, it's kind of a defense mechanism, actually, because I think that they fear being pushed towards a place where their peers will reject them outright.
01:13:40.140Now, I mean, Gadsad was quite an open Trump supporter, for example.
01:14:17.240Sam Harris is another one of these guys, right?
01:14:19.140Sam Harris is not someone, I think, who can be converted, right?
01:14:23.940Sam Harris is a great, great example of how he is never going to hear what you're saying, and he will willfully not hear what you're saying.
01:14:33.320Gadsad, James Lindsay, I think actually, you know, these guys could be brought across in a sympathetic way.
01:14:40.120But I understand why people don't like them as well.
01:14:43.340I will leave you to do that missionary work.
01:14:54.840The region across there says, it's amazing that countries that had nothing to do with colonialism or the slave trade can trick on the same sort of mindset that Americans have concerning race relations.
01:15:05.600Yeah, that's unfortunately the consequence of us being the global hegemon when it comes to culture.
01:15:11.920We can project that conflict anywhere our elites need it to go.
01:15:17.400And also, the ideology was so well developed within liberalism, all of the liberal countries are falling prey to it.
01:15:47.600Looks like we might have a couple other topics we'll have to dive into later on.
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