The Auron MacIntyre Show - Troubles in Ireland ｜ Guest： Carl Benjamin ｜ 11⧸28⧸23

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00:00:37.560 So I'm sure many of you saw that recently there was a huge uproar in Ireland

00:00:43.500 after a devastating knife attack on a number of people,

00:00:48.540 including children in front of a primary school,

00:00:50.780 ended up with one girl dead.

00:00:53.760 The uproar came because the person in question who committed the attack,

00:00:58.120 allegedly, I guess I should throw in there,

00:01:00.000 was an Algerian immigrant and this created a number of different outbursts, 1.00

00:01:05.560 including riots in Dublin during that time.

00:01:09.400 So joining me to talk about everything going on in Ireland is Carl Benjamin from the Lotus Eaters.

00:01:14.360 Thanks for joining me, Carl.

00:01:15.560 Thanks for having me. It's a real pleasure.

00:01:16.720 Absolutely. So I think this is going to be interesting because obviously this is flaring up in Ireland,

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00:03:09.780 So, Carl, there was this attack in Ireland, obviously a huge tragedy.

00:03:17.100 You have someone who is an Algerian immigrant.

00:03:20.060 Now, the immediate response has been, no, this was an Irish citizen.

00:03:24.420 This person is an Irish citizen.

00:03:26.380 He's an Irishman.

00:03:27.440 This has nothing to do with immigration.

00:03:30.260 However, looking into it, it looks like he was supposed to be deported.

00:03:34.180 He was not.

00:03:34.880 He had been brought up on charges multiple times, including possession of a knife

00:03:39.720 when he wasn't supposed to have one.

00:03:41.560 So this is somebody who had a history, should not have been in the country in the first place. 0.73

00:03:46.160 And a lot of people weren't buying this, but the response was immediately by the media,

00:03:50.860 an overreaction by the right.

00:03:52.520 The right is pushing conspiracy theories and narratives about how this is an immigration problem.

00:03:57.720 Well, if this was the first time that this had happened in Ireland or in the British Isles

00:04:04.600 or in Europe in general, then maybe those people might have a point.

00:04:08.960 But, of course, this is not the first time this has happened in Europe, Britain or Ireland.

00:04:13.900 This is part of a consistent pattern because there are people living among us

00:04:19.260 who just really think very differently.

00:04:21.440 In Britain, there was one example of a, I think she was an Algerian woman, 1.00

00:04:26.660 who cut the throat of a seven-year-old girl as she ran past.

00:04:31.380 And, I mean, that's just a sort of a never event for me, right?

00:04:34.920 I should never have been allowed to happen.

00:04:37.560 And yet this is what we are seeing now.

00:04:39.280 I mean, you remember not so long ago in France,

00:04:41.800 when a Syrian man decided to go down to his local park in Broaddale

00:04:45.640 and stab a bunch of children.

00:04:46.800 There was recently in, I can't remember how to pronounce the name of the French town,

00:04:52.260 but it's a small French town.

00:04:53.220 Josh will be covering it on the podcast tomorrow,

00:04:55.600 where 20 Algerian men or North African men went into this French town

00:05:02.400 of about 500 people and just started stabbing.

00:05:04.580 And one 16-year-old boy was killed. 0.99

00:05:06.880 And they yelled, we're here to stab white people. 0.98

00:05:08.960 And so Ireland is getting the same pattern of events 0.99

00:05:14.740 when the powers that be very clearly weight themselves in favor of one group

00:05:23.460 and not another.

00:05:24.340 That sends a direct signal to that group that actually you're a protected class.

00:05:29.920 You won't be punished in the same way.

00:05:32.660 In fact, there was a great tweet by Eva Vladinga Brueck,

00:05:38.200 I'm probably pronouncing that wrong,

00:05:39.980 where she is reporting on, in Germany,

00:05:43.840 nine migrants gang-raped a 15-year-old girl for two and a half hours in a park,

00:05:48.300 and one of them got two years in jail.

00:05:52.400 Okay, well, they walk away with that, understanding.

00:05:56.500 Well, there were nine of us involved.

00:05:58.340 Only one of us got punished.

00:05:59.740 Eight of us didn't get punished.

00:06:00.640 And even then, the one got punished two years,

00:06:03.320 one year for good behavior, probably.

00:06:06.340 I'd be surprised if he even serves that.

00:06:07.880 So that sends a direct message to say,

00:06:09.580 well, look, you are actually kind of free to do what you want.

00:06:14.760 You know, the state, the media, the politicians,

00:06:17.380 they're all actually going to be on your side.

00:06:19.820 And when people are very annoyed at you,

00:06:22.260 well, we'll fend them off for you.

00:06:25.060 So that does sort of give a green light.

00:06:27.880 And Ireland's beginning to catch up to the rest of us on this, actually.

00:06:34.400 Ireland has come to the mass immigration issue quite late,

00:06:39.840 because it's only fairly recently that Ireland has been suffering from mass immigration.

00:06:45.660 But they're definitely speed running the experience.

00:06:48.660 I actually think that there's a good chance that Ireland, of all places,

00:06:52.420 might be the place to turn this back.

00:06:55.220 Because there is no history of colonial guilt in Ireland,

00:06:58.580 because they were the colonized country.

00:07:00.980 And they have a very strong sense of themselves as a people.

00:07:05.420 As in, Ireland is for the Irish.

00:07:07.360 That's all Irish nationalism has been focused on.

00:07:10.240 Until about five minutes ago, when it turned out it was Palestine, Syria, and LGBT. 0.81

00:07:15.160 So there will be a far-right Irish nationalism

00:07:19.380 that will break away from traditional Irish nationalism,

00:07:24.880 because that's been co-opted by the left.

00:07:26.940 And maybe, just maybe, we will see something happen in Ireland

00:07:31.980 to put a stop to mass immigration.

00:07:33.460 Yeah, it's amazing how propositional nations just magically appear all across the Western.

00:07:39.600 It's incredible, isn't it?

00:07:40.840 Every one of them just happens to be a completely propositional nation.

00:07:44.200 Everyone created...

00:07:45.000 But it's always the same proposition, too.

00:07:46.400 Yeah.

00:07:47.000 But isn't that just the interesting thing?

00:07:48.940 They're a propositional nation.

00:07:50.160 This is the Rainbow Island now.

00:07:52.720 It's no longer the Emerald Island.

00:07:54.040 It's no longer green and orange or whatever the colors were.

00:07:56.940 No, no, no.

00:07:57.340 This is all the colors of the rainbow.

00:07:59.160 And it's always the same colors.

00:08:00.600 It's always the same people.

00:08:01.560 It's always the same message in every single country.

00:08:04.460 What were the odds?

00:08:05.920 Yeah, I think Dave the distributist says,

00:08:08.080 you know, what makes you an American?

00:08:09.560 What makes you an Irishman?

00:08:10.720 Well, it turns out it's exactly the same thing.

00:08:12.700 Pay your taxes, be nice, and obey the HR rules.

00:08:15.540 Like, that's universal necessity to be a citizen of any Western country,

00:08:20.900 no matter which particular one it is.

00:08:23.180 But I do like your point about kind of the way this won't jive with the Irish identity,

00:08:28.300 because, like you said,

00:08:29.720 the narrative that we're seeing, even, of course, you know,

00:08:32.220 now with the Palestinian-Israel conflict,

00:08:34.280 has been this narrative of colonization.

00:08:36.940 That's what justifies the land back, right?

00:08:39.480 Everything is stolen.

00:08:40.680 Everything is an oppressor.

00:08:42.280 It's always, everything is justified due to this struggle.

00:08:46.460 But Ireland does not have this history.

00:08:48.220 Ireland does not fit into that narrative cleanly,

00:08:50.480 and it becomes very clear that the only reason this applies to them is that they're white, right?

00:08:55.800 It becomes difficult to pretend that there's actually a historical narrative of liberation involved in the current replacement of their population.

00:09:05.160 Yeah, there is no oppressed people that can be pointed to in the case of the Irish,

00:09:10.720 because they are the oppressed people that fought for ethnic self-determination.

00:09:15.240 And in fact, I did see a clip going around this afternoon of the Irish parliament,

00:09:19.500 where one member had called another member a white supremacist.

00:09:23.000 It's like, right.

00:09:24.680 I mean, it's the same playbook.

00:09:26.840 Every single time.

00:09:28.180 All the time.

00:09:29.240 Because it's the only one they have.

00:09:31.220 And so, actually, I'm mildly optimistic in the case of Ireland,

00:09:34.920 because you just can't white-guilt the Irish.

00:09:38.220 There's just nothing there to guilt.

00:09:39.840 How could you have oppressed the Algerians and the Africans?

00:09:45.440 What are you talking about?

00:09:46.560 That's never been the case.

00:09:47.460 And you know that's never been the case.

00:09:49.080 And the Irish know that's never been the case.

00:09:51.380 So, fingers crossed that actually a kind of common-sense resistance will be like,

00:09:56.800 no, we're not having this.

00:09:58.140 And actually, you are trying to dispossess the Irish of Ireland. 0.71

00:10:00.520 I mean, last year, the Republic of Ireland's got something like 5.5 million people in it.

00:10:05.360 And they took in 140,000 migrants.

00:10:08.800 That is a staggering amount.

00:10:10.480 That is an absolutely staggering amount.

00:10:12.660 And so, the ethnic makeup of their cities and towns is changing.

00:10:15.760 And now you see, on a regular basis, migrants wandering around and harassing women. 1.00

00:10:23.800 That's just the very tip of the spear, as it were.

00:10:26.540 It gets worse.

00:10:27.700 And, of course, this latest tragedy is one of the more horrific examples of what will continue to happen.

00:10:35.080 But this is coming.

00:10:37.240 This is absolutely coming.

00:10:38.920 But like I said, if there's one place I think that won't be having this, it's Ireland.

00:10:43.300 So, good luck to them.

00:10:44.600 Do you think that this is, in a decent amount, a consequence of their desire to economically modernize?

00:10:55.560 They opened themselves up to becoming a corporate tax haven.

00:11:00.140 They brought in a large amount of managerial elites from outside the country, opened the doors of immigration through that.

00:11:06.160 And suddenly, this switches over their government in a way where it's interested in becoming a global citizen.

00:11:14.200 And lo and behold, Ireland is no longer a place where Irish people are welcome.

00:11:18.520 I don't know about bringing in foreign managerial elites, because from what I've seen, and I'm not in Ireland, so I'm not directly firsthand experiencing any of this.

00:11:29.920 But we are quite close to Ireland, and, of course, we've got a lot of cultural contact with a lot of Irish people in Britain.

00:11:35.600 And I'm sure there are lots of British people in Ireland.

00:11:37.500 So, from what I've seen, actually, all I've seen is native Irish people who have adopted the managerial woke paradigm and seek to impose that inappropriately on Ireland. 0.99

00:11:52.260 So, now they have to somehow rejig it so that the Irish are white supremacists and that there's always been a non-white underclass in Ireland or something, some nonsense like that.

00:12:03.020 And the Irish have actually been keeping them down this whole time. 0.96

00:12:07.040 Wouldn't you know it?

00:12:08.200 Just like everywhere else, who could have predicted?

00:12:10.480 I think these people have accepted the paradigm that the European elites, in particular, have operated on, which is this kind of woke managerial paradigm.

00:12:22.880 And they want it to be the case.

00:12:24.660 They want this to be brought in seamlessly.

00:12:28.340 And it does work on the French, on the Germans, on the British, on almost everyone else.

00:12:32.560 Because of European colonial history.

00:12:35.900 And so, they, I think, view this as the morally correct thing to do.

00:12:40.860 But you can tell that they're essentially non-player characters.

00:12:43.780 They have been essentially just programmed with a foreign ideology that could not have emerged in Ireland organically, naturally.

00:12:51.000 Because it doesn't make any sense.

00:12:52.380 And it's entirely possible that it is exactly the same.

00:12:55.840 Because they wanted the money.

00:12:57.180 Because, of course, they're still a part of the European Union.

00:12:59.960 And they used to be a net beneficiary of European money.

00:13:05.560 They've only, only in the past few years, they've flipped and become a net payer to the European Union.

00:13:10.660 So, we'll see how long that lasts for, I suppose.

00:13:14.180 But it probably is intricately connected to the flow of money and business to Ireland.

00:13:20.520 And this probably is a kind of, there's a particular term that escapes me because I'm shattered.

00:13:27.780 But it's a kind of deal with the devil, definitely.

00:13:31.740 Yeah, I should have said the importation of the ideology more than the particular members of the class.

00:13:36.780 But, yeah, I think you're right that that is something that's key.

00:13:40.920 I also wonder how much the weakening of the Catholic Church and its identity has on their ability to kind of resist that.

00:13:51.340 And see things, you know, make a case beyond the purely material as to why this would be something worth defending.

00:13:57.780 You know, that's interesting because I went over there, I think it was 2017.

00:14:02.040 And at the time, I'm sure it was 2017, 2018.

00:14:08.480 And I was just going to visit a bunch of places.

00:14:11.840 And at the time, they were having a referendum on abortion.

00:14:14.940 And so, every lamppost, you had two posters, one pro, one anti.

00:14:19.800 And as I understand it, the pro-abortion side of the argument, one, which does definitely indicate there is a waning of Catholicism in Ireland, of all places.

00:14:31.260 And so, it seems that the dark tendrils of materialism can penetrate even the most religious of hearts in the end.

00:14:39.100 They just keep churning and churning and churning and eventually they get what they want.

00:14:42.880 So, I'm skeptical, but I don't know.

00:14:46.920 Now, talking about the response, like you said, this might be the one place that does have a good pushback.

00:14:54.840 One thing we saw right after were riots that followed what had happened here.

00:15:00.280 Something that I think would surprise most, usually the writing that is done in other Western nations, is of the oppressed group, in theory. 0.56

00:15:10.520 And instead, it was an actual reaction by the native people of Ireland.

00:15:16.260 Now, interestingly, I was watching some content from a follower who is Irish.

00:15:21.340 And he said that a lot of the people involved here were kind of street hooligans who had been causing a general problem in Dublin.

00:15:29.180 They may not have been specifically motivated solely by this, though that was probably part of it.

00:15:37.820 And so, it felt like there was a mixed reaction in that many people outside of Ireland saw this as kind of the average person rising up.

00:15:46.520 And it turns out that the right is indeed the voice of the unheard all of a sudden.

00:15:52.660 However, some people who even those who were right wing in Ireland saw this as more of a mixed bag where it was good to see people caring about this, but that maybe the purity of the action was not ideological in the way that some people might want it to be.

00:16:09.460 I can't imagine there's ever been a riot in all of history where it was made up of respectable middle class types, to be honest.

00:16:18.480 So, I can imagine that's the case.

00:16:20.420 I don't know what the composition of the rioters was, obviously.

00:16:23.480 All I heard was Irish accents and white Irishmen.

00:16:27.000 But I can't imagine that they're home-earning well-to-do's.

00:16:32.720 I imagine they probably are from the lower classes.

00:16:35.660 So, obviously, someone who has kind of been pushed to the forefront by all of this has been UFC fighter Conor McGregor.

00:16:44.760 He's very vocal about what happened on Twitter.

00:16:48.340 He had some very blunt statements about why the government had failed and why people should not be taking this.

00:16:58.560 Now, he did distance himself from the actions of the rioters a little bit later and did say, you know, hey, this is the right feeling but the wrong response and we should be taking more substantive political actions and these kind of things.

00:17:13.320 But the reaction has immediately been by the Irish government that this guy needs to be investigated and that censorship needs to follow.

00:17:21.580 We're already seeing talk of new hate speech laws, possibly throwing people in jail for having memes on their phone.

00:17:28.180 Just the reaction of the government has been severe, especially when it seems like directly in relationship to the fact that McGregor was driving a large amount of interest and focus on what was happening.

00:17:41.780 So, the Irish hate speech bill, it's got a particular name, but I can't remember off the top of my head, was actually proposed in 2022.

00:17:50.580 Because this is not in any way new or unusual for Western liberal democracies.

00:17:56.400 The United States is the only place that is insulated from this.

00:17:59.940 Well, don't be so sure.

00:18:01.920 I didn't say you were immune to it.

00:18:04.080 I said you were insulated from it because of your First Amendment.

00:18:07.880 But even then, that's only going to be a temporary bulwark, I fear.

00:18:12.300 I mean, you do have Ricky Vaughn in jail at the moment, so it's not perfect.

00:18:15.840 But then you've got one in jail, we've got about 3,000 in jail.

00:18:18.600 That's fair.

00:18:19.220 So, you know, like I said, insulated but not immune.

00:18:23.040 But the Irish one is – so the progressive Irish government and the sort of uniparty controlling the Irish Parliament or Senate are well aware that they're going to need something like this and have had this in progress.

00:18:36.160 I don't think it's passed yet, but it's definitely something they're getting towards fruition.

00:18:42.340 And this is definitely going to be used as justification why this needs to be hurried through.

00:18:47.120 Because allowing Irish citizens to make a characteristic judgement about a group is apparently off the table.

00:18:55.760 You're just not allowed to do that in a liberal democracy.

00:18:59.000 Obviously, you cannot make a sweeping, judgmental characterisation of any group at all, actually.

00:19:05.280 There's literally nothing that isn't protected at this point.

00:19:08.320 And Ireland is going to do the same thing.

00:19:09.700 Theirs is going to be worse than Britain's somehow. 0.98

00:19:12.000 I thought Britain's was pretty bad. 0.98

00:19:14.120 Theirs is going to be worse.

00:19:15.180 You'll get five years in jail, I think it is, if you don't open your phone for them.

00:19:18.720 I thought, oh, okay, that's very progressive.

00:19:23.240 And, of course, as you say, you know, you'll end up going to jail for memes.

00:19:26.460 Because, at least in Britain, you have to have sent something via a public communication network.

00:19:32.160 In Ireland, it'll just be the possession of the thing.

00:19:35.260 So, but this, I find this particularly fascinating, though.

00:19:39.040 Because, of course, what we get is, what we're hearing is the constant refrain of the far right, the far right.

00:19:44.060 But, not refrains about stabbings, and I hasten to remind everyone that this is not the first time this has happened in Ireland.

00:19:51.180 Many people now have been killed, in fairly recent months, by migrants. 0.99

00:19:57.260 So, this is something that has been bubbling up to the surface.

00:20:00.840 A migrant stabbing three children and two adults in broad daylight and killing one of them was just the kind of tipping point there.

00:20:08.280 And, instead of saying, okay, there appears to be a problem with the category of immigrants, because not all immigrants are the same.

00:20:17.920 Some immigrants come from some places and have particular values, and others come from other places and have different values.

00:20:24.520 And, actually, you'd think a sensible government, in any other time and place, would be discriminating about that.

00:20:31.060 And, say, okay, we'll take immigrants from there, but we won't take immigrants from there. 1.00

00:20:34.120 Very much like Donald Trump wanted to do with his, quote, Muslim ban, he appreciated that there are differences of peoples around the world.

00:20:41.880 I mean, one could argue that that's what diversity is, actually, recognising differences between people.

00:20:48.640 But, instead of saying maybe there's something wrong with our immigration policy, the Irish government have said, right, the far right are the problem.

00:20:57.220 Conor McGregor is the problem.

00:20:58.720 The people who are outraged about the stabbing are the problem.

00:21:01.260 And, they characterise these people as having an ideology.

00:21:05.140 Right, so, it's ideological to not want foreigners to come into your country and stab people. 0.99

00:21:10.480 I'm not sure that's the case, but let's assume that's true. 0.94

00:21:13.500 What you've said, Irish government, is we stand with the ideology that brings the danger to the country.

00:21:20.520 And, the people who don't want the danger in the country are the problem.

00:21:23.680 They are the enemy constituency.

00:21:25.740 They are the foe. 0.97

00:21:26.940 So, our constituency includes random stabbings from foreign migrants. 1.00

00:21:33.400 So, okay, that's very interesting.

00:21:35.760 I think that people should be more cognizant of the lay of the land when it comes to this kind of thing.

00:21:41.260 What are they attacking?

00:21:42.600 What do they see as a threat to their regime?

00:21:45.100 Their regime contains, as a normal feature, migrants stabbing children. 1.00

00:21:50.660 That's a normal feature of their regime, which is why they weren't outraged by it, which is why they're going to take no action over it, and which is why they're only going to take action against the people who want action taken about the normal feature of their regime.

00:22:02.120 That's a core normal feature.

00:22:03.420 And, people should, people do well to remember that.

00:22:06.820 Yeah, you know, obviously, this feels, this is far more concentrated in Europe because it's happened suddenly.

00:22:13.620 It's been over a much shorter amount of time.

00:22:16.060 In America, we boiled the frog much slower.

00:22:19.160 There's a large amount of this kind of thing that happens in the United States, but we, you know, we got rid of our, what we used to have, which was a quota system for immigration across different nations that were more compatible with the United States and its values.

00:22:33.700 And instead, we just simply decided that borders aren't a thing that we're ever going to have anymore.

00:22:37.460 Just to correct you on that, the frog has actually been boiling for quite a long time in Europe as well.

00:22:43.180 It just hasn't been boiling for very long in Ireland.

00:22:46.080 And the Irish elites see what the rest of the European elites do and think, well, we're a bunch of backwater hicks compared to the Germans and the French. 0.78

00:22:54.060 Therefore, we're going to have to catch up with them as quick as possible.

00:22:56.200 So next time we're at an international EU meeting, we can look around and go, yes, we have diversity in Ireland too.

00:23:01.560 Thank you very much.

00:23:02.620 Aren't we as clever and forward-thinking and progressive as you?

00:23:05.400 But the thing is, the German and French elites and the British elites had to spend decades to get to the point where they're at now, where the public is just so beaten down that, okay, yep, terrible things are happening, and yet for some reason we don't do anything. 1.00

00:23:19.860 The Irish public have not been sufficiently demoralized by their elites yet, because their elites are stupid and vainglorious. 0.99

00:23:28.920 And that's why I'm actually vaguely optimistic on that one. 0.99

00:23:31.860 But sorry, I did interrupt you there.

00:23:33.420 No, no.

00:23:34.080 Well, when would you say then, do you think that mass immigration became a priority for elites in, say, Germany or France?

00:23:44.860 Towards the end of the 90s.

00:23:46.920 Okay.

00:23:47.320 The same as in Britain. 0.64

00:23:48.480 Yeah, you can plot it on graphs.

00:23:50.420 You can see it on the graphs.

00:23:51.240 There wasn't huge amounts of mass immigration.

00:23:54.520 When I lived in Germany in the early 90s, there was no – you'd go into German towns and there'd be Germans in them.

00:24:02.460 And you'd go anywhere in Germany and it'd be Germans. 0.72

00:24:04.540 But, of course, same with France. 0.76

00:24:07.880 You used to go to Paris.

00:24:08.960 There'd be Frenchmen in Paris.

00:24:11.660 Paris the thought.

00:24:12.500 And now it's just been 25-plus years of nonstop, just catastrophic immigration.

00:24:23.960 But the elites managed to keep a handle on things and learned how to manage the situation, whereas the Irish elites clearly have not learned how to manage this situation.

00:24:34.600 And hopefully that is an Achilles heel.

00:24:38.340 Yeah, see, we got heart seller in the United States in the 1960s.

00:24:42.200 So I think – well, I would certainly agree that Britain and Germany and France were running this far in advance of Ireland.

00:24:50.300 I think we might, unfortunately, have you beat by several decades.

00:24:53.760 But you do also have ideological advantages over us when it comes to this.

00:24:57.780 I mean, being a propositional nation might not actually be brilliant, but at least it does allow you to integrate new immigrants and give them a suite of ideals that you can say, well, look, just do this and your neighbors will like you.

00:25:10.600 There's very little that foreigners can do to make their neighbors like them other than be good people in Britain.

00:25:17.320 There isn't just a catechism to profess, you know.

00:25:21.740 There's no British ideal or English ideal because we're ancient ethnic states, not revolutionary propositional ones.

00:25:32.640 Unfortunately, that hasn't saved us from that fate.

00:25:35.600 But I hear what you're saying.

00:25:37.880 So interesting that all of these governments have found mass immigration to be.

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00:26:15.560 Like you said, the constituency they're going to fight for.

00:26:19.320 No matter how the outcome seems to be kind of obvious and difficult to sell to people on its face, they still seem to push forward with this.

00:26:29.140 Do you think that this is part of kind of a mechanism connected to democracy that's simply swelling?

00:26:36.900 Or is this economic? Is this a purely ideological part of liberalism?

00:26:42.400 Is this all of these things at once?

00:26:44.600 What do you think is driving kind of this uniform move by elites across these nations towards backing the importation of military-aged men not from their nation in who might take actions that could endanger the populace?

00:27:00.500 So, I think you're hitting on it where it is a combination of factors, but I think you've summarized them all pretty well.

00:27:07.920 I think the main ones are ideological and economic.

00:27:11.740 But there's also this weird moral undercurrent to it as well, which starts to get a little bit Freudian, I think.

00:27:20.460 The primary economic one is the fact that European economic growth has been very sluggish.

00:27:27.940 And so the bureaucrats look at their spreadsheets and they say, well, the average wage is £25,000 or whatever it is, or however many, €30,000, whatever it is.

00:27:38.900 And so if we just increase the number of people in the country, then we have increased economic growth by just multiplying the average wage by the number of people to get an estimate of the size of the economy.

00:27:49.980 And so that's one way that they want economic growth.

00:27:53.900 They think this will, rather than increase productivity or increase real wages or anything like that, this is the easiest way, frankly, as far as they can tell.

00:28:02.540 And the second thing is that, and again, this is deeply tied to the economics, is that the European birth rate has collapsed since the advent of the birth control pill.

00:28:11.280 What's interesting is data on this shows that it's not that women are actually individually having fewer children, it's that fewer women are having children.

00:28:20.580 So when a woman has children, she's likely to have two or three, but fewer women are just having children because of birth control. 1.00

00:28:27.860 But what this means is pensions have to be paid for, and they're well aware that the pension scheme is kind of like a Ponzi scheme that requires an ever-increasing population.

00:28:39.940 And maybe in 1955 or whenever the pension scheme was brought in, this seemed plausible, but it was in the 60s that the birth control pill was brought in,

00:28:47.920 and that just caused the population to stagnate or flatline, if not decline.

00:28:52.480 And so they are looking at their sheets and they're saying to themselves, well, someone's going to have to pay for the old people who are the ones who are voting for us to get their pensions. 0.95

00:29:01.560 And if we don't get them their pensions, they're going to stop voting for us.

00:29:04.340 I'm not going to be the one who destroys the retirement state because that will be a black mark against me forever.

00:29:12.700 And so we're going to need young people in order to pay for these pensions. 0.73

00:29:16.220 Now, this, of course, turns us into a kind of demographic black hole because it turns out that actually when immigrants come over here, everyone was like, oh, my God, they're going to outbreed us. 1.00

00:29:25.700 That's really not the problem.

00:29:27.220 It turns out that immigrant birth rates are subject to the same downward pressure as everywhere else.

00:29:32.940 I saw a thing a few years ago about Muslim birth rates.

00:29:35.660 There was something like five per woman in the country of origin.

00:29:39.580 Then they go down to 2.2 after like five years.

00:29:41.700 And it's like, Jesus, that's quick.

00:29:44.080 That's very quick because it turns out even Muslim women, when given access to birth control, like, yeah, OK, I think I will. 1.00

00:29:50.480 And so and they seem to forget that also immigrants grow old. 0.65

00:29:54.840 And so they're going to have to import more immigrants in order to pay for those ones. 1.00

00:30:00.260 And so we've just got this downward demographic spiral.

00:30:03.200 But then secondly, this is all facilitated by materialist liberal ideology, as in the idea that human beings are merely individuals detached from space, time, continuum, culture, civilization.

00:30:21.620 They're all just fungible, interchangeable nodes on a graph.

00:30:29.720 And therefore, we can just bring anyone in.

00:30:31.960 But then you start to get the sort of moral impetus that comes from this, where it becomes necessary and desirable to have the entire world living with you.

00:30:43.280 Because otherwise, there's something retrograde or backwards looking about you.

00:30:49.860 If you aren't trying to save the rest of the world by bringing them into our countries to allow them to take partake of the living standards that we have, then you are in some way confining them to hell. 1.00

00:31:05.720 They act as if the countries that the people come from are simply not worthy of human life. 1.00

00:31:12.240 That's why they want to get them all in.

00:31:13.760 Look, they're suffering.

00:31:14.640 The poor refugees are suffering in their countries.

00:31:16.900 And so we have to have them in this country and you have to pay for the hotels.

00:31:21.020 And so there's a kind of messianic motheringness to this, as if these people weren't just getting along just fine in their own countries before they decide to get on boats and invade our countries.

00:31:30.960 And so you've got this mixture of ideology, economic necessity, and moral crusade that is, I think, the real force behind why they just can't stop, why they're totally addicted to this model.

00:31:50.100 And obviously, it can't go on forever.

00:31:52.960 Yeah, the abuse of the asylum system seems to be key across the board here, too, where a system that originally was created to let women and children who managed to barely escape a war with the clothes on their backs to find some refuge inside a country for a small amount of time before you're figuring out how to rebuild the place from which they came.

00:32:18.760 And has turned into a reason that, you know, any 22-year-old should be able to walk into a country and immediately receive every benefit and service provided by that country, including housing, which is, you know, like I said, I think medical care and housing have continued to be the real linchpins of kind of this.

00:32:38.820 Like he said, a lot of people imported these populations with the hope of saving their pension systems.

00:32:44.440 But while they've attempted, they've managed to keep, you know, the 70-year-olds from running out of money, they've bankrupted the 20-year-olds and they've ensured that they won't have any more children, that there'll be a demographic collapse inside their own nations because they've imported people that have driven up the cost of the things that you need when you're young. 0.70

00:33:01.940 So, yes, this is a catastrophe.

00:33:06.180 I've got a good example of how phenomenally ridiculous the managerial woke mindset is on this. 0.63

00:33:14.940 So there was a 20-something young woman on a plane recently and it was on the landing pad. 0.94

00:33:21.980 And she realized that someone on there was being deported, a black man on there was being deported back to Jamaica.

00:33:29.040 And she made up a scenario in her head about how he probably wasn't safe in Jamaica.

00:33:33.980 And she caused a big scene and got the flight to be canceled. 1.00

00:33:37.900 And it turned out that the guy was a gang rapist.

00:33:41.960 And Jamaica is somewhere that people go on holiday. 0.92

00:33:44.600 OK, so it's like, OK, if it was a Syrian going back to a war zone, maybe, maybe you could make the case. 0.81

00:33:51.920 I mean, they would never do this for a Ukrainian, obviously.

00:33:55.500 Wrong tone of skin. 0.96

00:33:57.240 But the fact that a Jamaican can't be sent back to Jamaica, again, a holiday destination in the minds of these people,

00:34:05.440 really shows you that this isn't actually about the question of whether they're safe in their own country.

00:34:11.060 What this is really about is making sure that just as many foreigners as possible stay here in order to, 0.99

00:34:18.940 and honestly, I think there is an aspect of this, kind of humiliate the country that this is happening to.

00:34:24.880 They know that you're not only paying for the refugee state, you're paying for the human rights lawyer.

00:34:30.040 And you live under the human rights legislation that makes this cycle of humiliation possible. 0.97

00:34:35.360 So the gang rapist gets to live in your country after raping some of your countrymen. 0.93

00:34:41.060 Or women, in this case. 1.00

00:34:43.560 And so I think there is a kind of perverse pleasure that they take in it as well.

00:34:47.960 Yeah, there is an amazing, again, a feature that echoes across all of these elites is a pure hatred of kind of the middle class of their nation.

00:34:58.180 Kind of the working class.

00:34:59.580 The working class as well.

00:35:00.860 Well, I mean, in the United States, I think it extends the middle class as well.

00:35:04.140 But I get the feeling that the class systems are different between Britain and America or Europe.

00:35:12.600 Oh, for sure. 0.98

00:35:13.420 Because I tweeted out something about, I just hate the bloody middle class. 0.99

00:35:17.700 And loads of Trump-supporting Americans got really offended. 0.92

00:35:21.420 And I was like, what?

00:35:23.580 You guys are anti-woke.

00:35:25.100 What are you getting offended for?

00:35:26.200 They weren't what I consider to be the middle class.

00:35:29.420 And so there's a cultural disconnect there.

00:35:32.440 Because in Britain, the middle class are the office-working, managerial, woke types who want to remain in the EU and want to flood our countries with immigrants. 0.98

00:35:42.000 Everything that the Trump supporters are in my replies getting angry at me are against.

00:35:45.640 So I was like, no, that's not you.

00:35:47.120 I don't understand why you felt attacked by that.

00:35:49.980 So obviously, this is different terminology between the countries.

00:35:54.780 But, I mean, in Britain, it's very much the working class, which is why Tommy Robinson is treated in the way that he is.

00:36:01.160 It really just comes down to his accent.

00:36:04.040 Yeah, I guess in America, it would be better to designate a blue collar and white collar.

00:36:07.360 Because in the United States, middle class means you have the ability to own your own home and possibly your own business.

00:36:13.200 But we have plenty of plumbers and people who are tradesmen who are wealthy.

00:36:19.400 But for them, it's an economic achievement, not a transition from type of work.

00:36:25.840 Our class system is cultural, not economic.

00:36:29.040 There are plenty of middle class people that are piss poor.

00:36:32.700 I've got a cousin who's very working class who definitely earns more than my middle class brother-in-law, for example.

00:36:40.700 You know, so money isn't actually, it often correlates with class status.

00:36:45.240 But like you say, the working class actually have an advantage.

00:36:48.760 They do things with their hands and they build things.

00:36:51.360 And that actually is a valuable skill, no matter where you are and what's going on.

00:36:56.220 And so they can always earn a decent living as long as they're hardworking and diligent men.

00:37:00.860 Whereas middle class people who have just got office skills, who can be replaced by literally anyone from anywhere in the world who can type on a keyboard.

00:37:07.660 They actually are often, well, find themselves economically depressed by the current situation.

00:37:17.440 So, yeah, different meanings.

00:37:19.800 Over here, it's about perceived status in society and kind of breeding.

00:37:27.440 And I mean, the difference between Douglas Murray and Tommy Robinson is literally the way they talk in Britain.

00:37:33.040 And that's everything, you know, because everything comes from the perception of how they talk.

00:37:38.020 It's perceived that the working class person will behave boorishly, whereas the person who speaks with a very refined accent will behave very well.

00:37:47.620 And I've experienced this myself with my accent.

00:37:51.180 And my accent is very mid of the range in Britain.

00:37:54.080 Like the Americans often think I've got a posh accent.

00:37:56.120 I really don't.

00:37:56.800 In Britain, I'm considered, like, a very, very, like, lower middle class accent.

00:38:02.540 Not a very exciting accent at all.

00:38:04.920 But I have seen the accent privilege in real time. 0.69

00:38:09.440 Because I actually went to one of the Tommy protests.

00:38:11.260 And I think it was 2017, 2018.

00:38:13.220 And I was just with a bunch of the football lads there.

00:38:16.000 And I was walking through this crowd.

00:38:19.140 Because I wanted to go and talk to some lefties who had a little stall. 0.98

00:38:22.120 And there were some police preventing them from going over there.

00:38:25.100 And they were physically pushing the football lads back.

00:38:29.460 And I opened my mouth and said, look, can I go over there and speak to those people?

00:38:32.460 And literally, I saw them recoil from me.

00:38:34.820 They literally took a step back from me, personally.

00:38:37.900 And I guess that they were thinking, God, who's this guy's dad?

00:38:42.580 You know, who is this?

00:38:44.060 You know, he doesn't speak like these football yobs.

00:38:47.840 Will I get in trouble for shoving him around?

00:38:49.520 And I genuinely think that was what was going through their mind.

00:38:52.680 They said no.

00:38:53.640 I couldn't go through.

00:38:54.500 But they were very polite to me.

00:38:56.660 And that was the...

00:38:58.300 I mean, as a British person, you always know about class and accents.

00:39:03.700 But that was the first time I really felt any power in my accent.

00:39:07.160 And it was just like, oh, my God.

00:39:08.980 You know, that's terrible.

00:39:11.060 Yeah.

00:39:11.220 The only American version of that is the southern accent.

00:39:14.180 If you have it, then you could be a billionaire. 0.99

00:39:16.460 And you are probably still, you know, some kind of trailer park trash. 0.99

00:39:20.560 It's a real shame. 0.99

00:39:21.220 Because outside of America, the southern accent is very charming.

00:39:23.800 Oh, it's charming here, too.

00:39:25.120 We just hate the north.

00:39:26.420 That's the way we cope with it.

00:39:28.160 We just... 0.99

00:39:28.460 But, like, in Britain, we don't think of southern as necessarily as stupid, actually. 0.99

00:39:34.600 We think of them as traditional. 0.98

00:39:36.740 But, I mean, I guess it's an American prejudice.

00:39:40.820 Or at least that's never what I've taken away from anyway.

00:39:42.900 No, but I think that is the outlook that, you know, you're, again, the people you would call middle class have.

00:39:52.000 And you can see that, again, that the way they despise.

00:39:55.580 There are so many people who have gotten their gender studies degree.

00:39:58.700 And then they see somebody, you know, who's a blue-collar worker making $100,000 a year, having a home, having a family.

00:40:06.020 And, you know, that should be them.

00:40:07.620 They're entitled to that.

00:40:08.700 They should be ruling those people. 0.99

00:40:09.960 How could those people be happy and healthy and thriving?

00:40:13.540 And they need to be punished or replaced.

00:40:15.220 And that is really where it feels like a lot of this is being driven is it's okay to replace...

00:40:20.320 When we're replacing people, we're replacing those people, the ones who would do the manual labor and maintain our high society.

00:40:26.740 We're not replacing any of the ones who do important things like fill Starbucks orders.

00:40:30.860 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:31.500 And also the Marxist PhD who spent 20 years getting a degree that literally has no economic value.

00:40:40.840 Well, you know, I can kind of understand why they'd be resentful, actually.

00:40:45.240 Well, Carl, I want to go ahead and switch over to the questions of the people here.

00:40:51.820 But before I do, is there anything people should be checking out, looking for over with Lotus Eaters?

00:40:56.900 Oh, we've got a lot of new stuff coming in the new year, actually.

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00:41:04.980 Excellent.

00:41:05.460 All right.

00:41:05.880 We've got plenty of questions here.

00:41:07.040 So I want to get started with them.

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00:41:12.500 Love the video title joke.

00:41:14.200 It's also really funny as an MMA fan watching one of our guys getting into politics.

00:41:19.080 My political and MMA Twitters are starting to look the same.

00:41:23.520 Rare potato people W.

00:41:25.760 Yeah, it is interesting.

00:41:27.040 You know, it feels like going forward, you're going to need people like Trump.

00:41:32.080 You're going to need people like McGregor.

00:41:33.500 You're going to need people from outside the establishment who are willing to just not care and say things and are going to take attitudes that are not polished and focus tested if you're going to break through with any of this stuff.

00:41:47.060 And I think that's why people were so excited to see someone like McGregor step up and take a position for the working class person, for the average person in Ireland, and not carefully hedge his language when he steps in.

00:42:00.180 I thought his language was actually very careful.

00:42:04.080 I think that he had tweeted.

00:42:06.100 I mean, I don't know about today.

00:42:07.060 I haven't checked his feed today.

00:42:08.660 But so far, what I've seen has been very well constructed, actually.

00:42:13.180 He hasn't stepped on any major landmines, so they can just be like racist at him, which I think is very, very good, very polished.

00:42:22.140 But one, I mean, I am enjoying watching just non-political people getting outraged.

00:42:33.360 I'm sorry.

00:42:34.180 I was that person 10 years ago.

00:42:36.480 I was a non-political person.

00:42:37.860 I got outraged.

00:42:38.880 And look where I am now.

00:42:39.760 So who knows where Conor McGregor will be in 10 years?

00:42:41.900 You know, president or Sea-Tac or whatever it is of Ireland.

00:42:45.740 Who knows?

00:42:46.840 They should just let him play video games, man.

00:42:48.780 All right.

00:42:49.060 Just let him do his MMA, bro.

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00:42:52.700 What is the makeup of the Irish military?

00:42:54.260 Any chance we see EU troops brought to Ireland?

00:42:57.700 Well, if they need troops, if it comes to getting troops, yes.

00:43:04.200 Ireland doesn't really have an army.

00:43:06.180 Ireland's army is about 7,000 men, 2,000 of those being reserves.

00:43:12.020 It's not really an army.

00:43:13.200 It's a kind of occupation force that's brought in to assist the police if ever needed.

00:43:18.400 I don't even know if it has ever been needed.

00:43:21.820 493 of them are stationed overseas.

00:43:24.320 Like, Ireland is not a military power.

00:43:27.260 The Irish army, I mean, you know, what's 7,000 men going to do against any kind of foreign invasion?

00:43:32.420 Right?

00:43:32.580 They're not an army to defend against foreign invasion.

00:43:35.240 So, makeup of the Irish military, I actually don't know what the actual makeup of it is.

00:43:40.780 I imagine it's mostly men.

00:43:42.700 But I am aware that, like everywhere else, they're having trouble filling the limited number of places that they're trying to fill.

00:43:50.800 So, you know, same problem everywhere.

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00:43:59.020 Thank you very much, man.

00:43:59.900 Very generous of you.

00:44:00.980 Really appreciate it.

00:44:01.900 Here's an idea.

00:44:02.940 You need to explore the managerial capacity and its transformation of a college degree into, or captivity, sorry.

00:44:09.240 And its transformation of a college degree into an idol in the ensuing American evangelical diaspora, resulting in the separation of the body of Christ, causing the church to become ineffective.

00:44:21.580 Well, that's interesting, man.

00:44:22.860 A couple things.

00:44:23.520 I did actually address part of that.

00:44:26.360 You'll see the first half of that question answered in my book that's going to be coming out, The Total State.

00:44:32.560 I get into the college degree and kind of why it became critical to the managerial state and why it captured institutions via that mechanism.

00:44:42.560 Interesting, I guess, the second part would be whether this actually broke up religious communities.

00:44:47.280 I think it broke up all communities in the United States as kind of the IQ shredder aspect of these kind of these different cities and their academic centers kicked in.

00:44:59.820 They started sorting and they started removing and destroying communities that way.

00:45:03.700 But that's going to be that's a global phenomenon that these economic centers have deracinated most of the populations that they sift. 0.88

00:45:12.700 And so that's not particular just in the United States, though, you could definitely chart the way that it particularly impacted the United States, because I think, obviously, that did separate large chunks of kind of geographically rooted churches that then lost their ability to push back against other features of the total state, which I think is pretty important.

00:45:33.700 But thank you very much, man.

00:45:37.460 Anything there, Carl, on the American evangelical diaspora?

00:45:40.480 It's a bit too theological, I'm afraid.

00:45:43.040 I haven't got anything to say about that.

00:45:44.720 I like the IQ shredder bit, though, because that's made me think that before, midwits actually didn't have clear career progression.

00:45:52.000 And so actually, they'd get stopped at about mid-management.

00:45:56.220 Yeah. 0.98

00:45:56.360 Just they wouldn't get any further because they were retarded. 1.00

00:45:59.600 Unfortunately, now they're in charge of multinational corporations, Disney governments, you know, somehow.

00:46:07.460 Well, they were useful.

00:46:08.840 Like, they weren't retarded. 1.00

00:46:09.860 They had a particular niche.

00:46:12.240 Like, you have the ability.

00:46:14.400 Yeah, I know.

00:46:15.240 But they had a social value to their community in that they're above average, and they were able to allow those levels.

00:46:21.800 Run a local McDonald's.

00:46:22.940 Yeah.

00:46:23.420 Let those levels of social organization flourish.

00:46:26.220 But they weren't elevated into the positions that you're talking about and ruin those things.

00:46:31.980 Let's see here.

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00:46:33.860 This Black Mirror episode sucks, right, guys? 0.77

00:46:35.820 I don't know. 0.95

00:46:36.520 It's the most realistic one yet.

00:46:38.600 Please don't say that.

00:46:41.320 Sorry.

00:46:42.140 It's true.

00:46:43.080 I deal the black peels on this show.

00:46:45.040 You're supposed to give the rousing speech.

00:46:48.840 All right.

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00:46:51.500 The story only reinforces my thinking that naturalization should be extremely rare.

00:46:55.700 Live in the country for 20 years, have endorsement of 100 natural citizens, kind of rare, and it should be revocable.

00:47:03.580 I mean, sorry.

00:47:05.540 Yeah, you go ahead.

00:47:06.180 No, I think it should be more stringent than that.

00:47:08.200 It should be contingent on marriage. 0.95

00:47:10.320 You have to marry an Irish person if you go to Ireland. 1.00

00:47:13.160 Historically, that's how it worked.

00:47:17.320 There are loads of examples in ancient history of tribes, like the Aravingis and the Theungurais or something like that from Caesar's Gallic Wars, where they decide to form a conjoined tribe.

00:47:30.440 And they intermarry.

00:47:31.360 So all of the men marry women from the other tribe. 0.96

00:47:33.460 All of the women marry men from the other tribe. 1.00

00:47:36.840 And their children become the one tribe at the end of it. 0.65

00:47:40.660 And it was historically always understood that that's how it worked.

00:47:43.980 I think it was like Peru or Paraguay.

00:47:47.140 Dr. Francia, yeah.

00:47:48.680 Yeah, that literally forbade Spanish marriage.

00:47:52.000 And it was like, no, you've got to marry natives, deal with it. 1.00

00:47:54.820 And you at least get rid of that problem after a generation of a sort of class system like that.

00:48:01.580 And it was just historically understood that, no, it has to be intermarriage.

00:48:05.780 Because then you are both bought into the future of the society in exactly the same way.

00:48:10.880 Because they're your kids.

00:48:12.360 You know, they're your kids.

00:48:13.280 You are now part of this.

00:48:14.520 You can't leave because you're attached to the kids.

00:48:17.440 And so that was the only way.

00:48:18.880 You can't just have random people coming about.

00:48:20.640 I've lived here for 20 years.

00:48:22.200 Give me Irish citizenship. 1.00

00:48:23.580 Stab, stab, stab. 0.99

00:48:24.520 You know, like it turns out that's not enough.

00:48:26.840 It turns out that you have to have a direct investment in it.

00:48:30.220 I moved into Athens three years ago.

00:48:32.320 I'm an Athenian.

00:48:33.120 I can vote, right?

00:48:34.000 That's how that works.

00:48:35.320 That's how they understood that.

00:48:36.900 Eric Zemmour had a great turn of phrase for this.

00:48:39.340 People who are administratively French in France.

00:48:43.340 And that's a great administratively Irish people have arrived in Ireland now.

00:48:47.860 Have you ever read The Ancient City, Kalange?

00:48:51.320 No, I haven't.

00:48:52.260 You would really enjoy that book.

00:48:54.000 I highly recommend it.

00:48:55.200 It's about the Romans and the Greeks and how critical the religion was basically to their

00:49:01.000 identity.

00:49:01.380 And his key point is that participation in the worship was the binding and you didn't

00:49:06.720 have, there was no option of participating in the worship if you were not directly connected

00:49:11.060 to the family.

00:49:11.480 So if the, if the, if the daughter, you know, obviously she goes and she gets married, she

00:49:16.600 leaves the family, she loses the, the, the worship of the God of the hearth because she 0.98

00:49:21.860 is no longer under the, you know, the household of her father.

00:49:25.200 And like that, that very direct and you know, the, your biological son is not actually as

00:49:29.820 related to you as your adopted son, because if the adopted son is involved in the worship

00:49:34.100 and your biological son is not.

00:49:35.660 And so that's the, you know, so, so just those, those key binding rituals are, are, are the,

00:49:41.400 are the big thing.

00:49:42.080 There are things that, that are deep investments in identity.

00:49:44.460 Um, they, they don't always have to be blood, but of course that's a critical part of that

00:49:48.780 binding mechanism and whatever it is, it is.

00:49:52.120 And it had, it hadn't, it needs to be present for the most, for the most part, but any additions

00:49:57.020 to that have to be made at a very costly mechanism.

00:49:59.540 You need a high buy-in when people are making that kind of change.

00:50:03.180 So, and it's been true for thousands of years and somehow we've just forgotten it.

00:50:07.700 So, okay.

00:50:09.800 Well, I mean, and this is something I wanted to talk to you a little bit about, but I didn't,

00:50:13.460 I didn't get to when we were talking is, you know, we, we, it feels like we have stretched

00:50:19.700 the, we have stretched the ability of homogenization to organize societies at this point.

00:50:25.900 We, we, we've built up, we homogenized all of these cultures in an attempt to build wide

00:50:31.380 amounts of, of, uh, social coordination across multiple, you know, uh, uh, continents and things.

00:50:37.760 And we, that's been the advantage for so long is, is your ability to get general as much

00:50:43.120 as possible to allow for the highest degree of cooperation.

00:50:45.980 But I think we're getting to the point where the, you know, the, the general has, has had

00:50:50.120 a, you know, a nice couple of hundred years run, but the particular is about to come crashing

00:50:54.460 back in where the it's, it's, you're going to have people who need tighter bonds to survive

00:51:00.280 what's coming.

00:51:00.860 And you're, you're not going to be able to continue to just spread your social organization,

00:51:05.560 you know, to, to the ends of the earth without consequence.

00:51:07.960 Um, I get the feeling that what we are living through is the consequence of the 20th century,

00:51:13.580 actually.

00:51:14.640 Sure.

00:51:14.820 Um, the, cause I mean, almost all of the modernization efforts of the 20th century

00:51:19.440 just didn't happen for however many tens of thousands of years prior to that.

00:51:25.500 Um, the, the, the necessary things that people did for one another have a lot of, in large

00:51:34.340 parts has been broken.

00:51:35.540 And I think we're watching the consequence of these sort of cables becoming unmoored and

00:51:39.680 smashing through the buildings next to them, you know?

00:51:42.140 Um, and so I, I think that we're in totally uncharted waters.

00:51:46.260 Um, I can't, I can't see it ending well either.

00:51:48.780 Well, I think our rulers figured out that they could scale civilization further if they

00:51:54.720 unmoored the classical human bonds and re and reattached them to large institutions.

00:52:02.920 But we don't know that that will obtain for any period of time.

00:52:06.820 Oh, it won't.

00:52:07.460 That's what I'm saying.

00:52:08.300 Yeah.

00:52:08.640 I know.

00:52:09.260 I don't think so either.

00:52:10.380 I think we're about to watch the tower of Babel meet its, its inevitable end. 0.67

00:52:14.080 Yeah.

00:52:14.260 Um, but I think it is in fact what the tower of Babel story is warning about.

00:52:18.340 In fact, but, uh, I'm a biblical scholar, uh, creeper weirder here for $5 immigrants pick 1.00

00:52:27.180 up the bad habits of the nations they immigrate to wait. 0.99

00:52:30.040 No.

00:52:30.340 Yes.

00:52:30.900 Yeah.

00:52:31.320 Yeah.

00:52:31.580 That's, yeah, that's totally true.

00:52:33.320 Yeah, no, it has, it has been interesting.

00:52:35.260 That's been the joke I've made a number of times.

00:52:37.140 A lot, you know, a lot of people, uh, will, who want to bag on Christianity will be like, 0.94

00:52:41.440 see, Islam is more resistant.

00:52:42.820 See that, you know, that that's a faith that can withstand. 0.91

00:52:44.800 It's like, buddy, they're going to trans Muslim kids before, uh, you know, um, 0.91

00:52:48.320 before, uh, Muslim kids end up turning you into a Sharia law abider. 0.98

00:52:51.960 I'm sorry. 0.61

00:52:52.800 I, I, I've, I've had this argument with AA for ages.

00:52:56.600 Yeah.

00:52:56.840 No, it, the Muslims are going to lose to the woke. 1.00

00:52:59.300 They're going to lose to the woke.

00:53:00.220 In America, they already have entirely.

00:53:02.520 Uh, there, there, no, no, there have been, there have been one or two, uh, examples of

00:53:08.120 like Muslim resistance to woke.

00:53:09.540 But you can see the flow of energy in this.

00:53:12.640 The Muslims are like, no, no. 1.00

00:53:14.000 And okay.

00:53:14.300 For a moment they stop it, but the grind of woke still carries on and will eventually overrun

00:53:20.680 them or their children or their children's children.

00:53:23.180 You know, this will continue on and the Muslims will eventually not understand why, uh, you 1.00

00:53:29.180 can't be a queer hijabi and things like that. 0.71

00:53:31.560 Uh, general grievance here for $10, possibly the worst profile picture, possibly the worst

00:53:40.700 thing about the insane levels of immigration being hoisted upon, uh, Western people is that 0.56

00:53:45.200 no matter how it ends, the longer it goes on, the uglier the solution becomes.

00:53:48.960 Yeah, that's of course true.

00:53:50.120 All the easy, uh, quick, all the easy solutions were way back.

00:53:54.580 Uh, we took all the, we, we blew past all the easy on, on ramps.

00:53:57.760 And that's why, you know, when we talk about deportation in America, people lose their mind

00:54:01.000 because every year you're adding another 5 million people that, that would, that would

00:54:04.880 apply to.

00:54:05.440 And it only gets more and more difficult.

00:54:07.320 So I would go and have to, I'd have to go and check the numbers for America, but in Britain,

00:54:11.320 actually the problem is solvable via democracy.

00:54:15.620 Uh, I realized that in these sort of spaces, it's not a popular thing to hear.

00:54:19.660 Um, but there's actually nothing technically stopping us from just simply dissolving the home

00:54:25.220 office and therefore visas can't be given out and therefore millions of foreigners can't 0.93

00:54:31.800 come here.

00:54:32.540 And every year, 600,000 foreigners leave.

00:54:35.020 Uh, there's about 70,000 British people who leave as well.

00:54:39.180 But if we could have say 10 years of uninterrupted 700,000 of them leaving every year or 600,000

00:54:47.100 of them leaving, then the pressure would definitely be vastly alleviated.

00:54:52.920 You, you would see the housing market change.

00:54:55.540 You would see the job market change.

00:54:57.440 Um, things would be very different.

00:55:00.000 Uh, and we would be put on a much more firm footing for the future.

00:55:05.120 But, uh, but as it is at the moment, I just don't see that happening in the near, near

00:55:08.680 term.

00:55:09.120 So, yeah, we have article five in our constitution that would allow for theoretically a democratic

00:55:14.920 solution by a, a, a, uh, convening a council of the States, but that probably, yeah, that

00:55:21.700 is probably as likely as you guys doing that.

00:55:24.260 The problem is the people, right?

00:55:26.160 The wheel, uh, Dylan 98 here.

00:55:28.900 The main issue is that no right-wing party in Ireland, uh, that there is no right-wing

00:55:32.640 party in Ireland and Sinn Féin who will win the next election are even more left-wing

00:55:37.700 and open and pro open borders.

00:55:39.500 I mean, this seems to be the right-wing party, right?

00:55:42.820 Quite, quite a bit, right?

00:55:44.140 Like, oh, I'm a, I'm a military brat.

00:55:47.240 My dad was in the RF for 25 years.

00:55:49.040 And, uh, I remember in the nineties, um, the British, uh, the, the, you know, the authorities

00:55:58.880 on the military camps that we would live on, they would have lots of, be careful of bombs,

00:56:04.600 be careful of anything the IRA may have done.

00:56:07.200 And the thing is we were on a camp in Germany a lot of the time.

00:56:10.280 Um, so it's like, okay, I don't think the IRA are coming over here, actually, you know,

00:56:14.040 looking back on it, it's like, I don't really think many of them are going to go blood joint

00:56:17.260 headquarters and munch and glad back because it's quite a distance to go when you could

00:56:21.220 just go to England, which is a lot closer.

00:56:23.460 Um, but it was still there.

00:56:25.320 There's still perennial, oh, the Irish nationalist army, um, wants to, the, you know, Republican

00:56:30.100 army wants to, uh, drive the British out of Ireland.

00:56:32.880 It's like, well, not anymore really, do they?

00:56:35.620 They want diversity, don't they?

00:56:37.880 How can you possibly be so racist against the British?

00:56:40.880 Um, remarkable.

00:56:42.260 I can't believe that all of those men fought and died for this, you know?

00:56:45.200 Yeah.

00:56:45.460 This is what they were fighting for.

00:56:46.860 Is that, well, yeah, that's the meme goes, uh, the world war two soldiers on the beaches

00:56:51.340 of Normandy.

00:56:52.080 Yeah.

00:56:52.500 And now it's the IRA guys at the balaclavas fighting for trans rights and immigrants.

00:56:59.360 Rough beats, uh, uh, secure your children, secure your legacy folks, uh, chair of cow for 0.99

00:57:04.600 $20.

00:57:04.940 Uh, thank you for the good works.

00:57:06.960 Thanks, man.

00:57:07.680 Appreciate it.

00:57:08.780 Uh, let's see, uh, Berman cat here for $10. 0.71

00:57:11.920 It is, uh, frustrating to see factions of right-wing Twitter, like Owen Benjamin and his bears,

00:57:15.880 countersignal McGregor.

00:57:16.880 We're not checking every single box.

00:57:18.420 We don't have time for doom pillars.

00:57:20.580 Yeah.

00:57:21.060 I, I'm tired of the online right countersignaling everything that isn't 100% exactly as they

00:57:29.060 want it, because that means they're going to be countersignaling everything until the end

00:57:32.100 of time.

00:57:33.040 Um, I would rather, cause I mean like the left doesn't really do this actually.

00:57:37.360 Um, you'll notice that the left love bombs absolutely anyone who says anything, even vaguely

00:57:42.640 leftist.

00:57:43.280 And they do it in order to essentially groom them into being a left winger.

00:57:48.880 And so they sit there and reply, uh, ha, ha, ha, all that sort of stuff.

00:57:52.860 And then they, but they keep on piling on left-wing ideology and cause they know that

00:57:58.120 they're a subversive force.

00:57:59.480 They know that this is how they get you.

00:58:01.740 And the problem with the right is it doesn't have that self-confidence in its own doctrine.

00:58:05.140 And so it's looking for, right.

00:58:08.380 It's got to be purity or nothing, not understanding that anyone who says anything that kind of

00:58:13.000 even opens the door just a little bit, that's you in, that's you in stop whining at that

00:58:18.000 guy that no, no.

00:58:18.660 Say, thank you for opening the door.

00:58:19.880 Now, have you considered these other spectrum of right-wing points that are also valid based

00:58:25.200 on similar principles?

00:58:26.360 Have you considered don't, don't, don't bitch at them because Conor McGregor isn't complaining

00:58:32.680 about Israel enough or something like, what are you talking about?

00:58:35.460 You know, like you've gotten in here, open that door further and everything follows from

00:58:40.080 that.

00:58:40.880 Yeah.

00:58:41.320 There's a, so there's a fine line here.

00:58:43.040 I agree with you, uh, quite a bit.

00:58:44.800 I think yes.

00:58:45.500 Anding these people is definitely the way to go when someone wakes up and sees something,

00:58:50.440 especially someone who is very mainstream and not very political and they see something

00:58:53.900 and they are stepping into the arena for the first time.

00:58:56.540 The thing to do is not to just check them for every single political, you know,

00:59:01.200 uh, they're not part of your online bubble, right?

00:59:03.960 They don't think like you yet, but yeah, right.

00:59:07.480 Yeah.

00:59:08.100 Yeah.

00:59:08.260 Let them step in and into that space and give them the ability to, to kind of absorb that

00:59:12.560 at the same time, I will say this, there is a, there is a tendency on the right to see

00:59:19.980 someone make a move.

00:59:21.180 They think they like and turn that person into a leader right away.

00:59:24.660 And, and so a lot of people are understandably hesitant, I think about grifting because it

00:59:31.620 has, it literally has happened very often to them.

00:59:34.560 However, I think you need to, you need to draw a line between people who are completely

00:59:40.780 motivated by the power they are achieving inside a political movement.

00:59:44.580 And a guy like Conor McGregor, who has plenty of money and plenty of fame and has no need

00:59:49.700 for whatever small amount of e-cred you can give him.

00:59:53.420 And he is stepping in for an entirely different reason.

00:59:56.300 I think drawing that distinction is very important.

00:59:58.960 And it's a, such an easy distinction to make.

01:00:00.820 Is this person already established for something?

01:00:04.820 If that's a yes, then you don't ever count signal them.

01:00:07.580 You just say, yes, that's exactly true.

01:00:08.960 And all of this, you know, JK Rowling.

01:00:11.800 Oh, well, I'm not sure that's actually a woman. 0.99

01:00:13.800 Yes.

01:00:14.140 And is this actually an Englishman or an Irishman, JK?

01:00:16.980 You know, like, let's start calling things by the true names, shall we?

01:00:20.200 You know, there's no point counseling anyone who is coming even vaguely close to agreeing

01:00:26.440 with something you think, you know, just, you know, love bomb them like the lefty.

01:00:31.300 That's my opinion.

01:00:32.620 We've got Joshua Beebe here for $5.

01:00:34.920 Protests are a party that is thrown once those in charge decide to make a solid or a social

01:00:40.580 change prior to formal adoption.

01:00:42.700 Otherwise, it's a waste of time.

01:00:45.380 Yeah, that's a point that's been made by Moldbug multiple times, by Curtis Yarbrough multiple

01:00:50.720 times.

01:00:51.120 I think it's a really strong one.

01:00:52.640 He's made the point multiple times.

01:00:54.260 If you, you know, do you think the government's on your side?

01:00:56.380 If not, then you probably don't want a large street protest because the only reason those

01:01:01.220 succeed is that the people in charge allow them to.

01:01:03.520 So, Joshua is a gold tier subscriber on Let's See Stop.

01:01:06.820 Hey, Joshua, how's it going?

01:01:08.140 A man of distinctive taste.

01:01:10.340 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:10.740 And absolutely, Chad, look at that profile pic.

01:01:14.620 But yeah, no, he's absolutely right.

01:01:16.300 But there are always advantages to protesting when the power structure is against you.

01:01:22.400 Because this comes down to basically a lint ski.

01:01:27.100 If you have a legitimate cause and they crush you as hard as they can, then that's an injustice

01:01:35.820 that other people see.

01:01:37.380 And the more they do this, the more your point is preserved throughout the crushings.

01:01:43.560 It's not fun.

01:01:45.500 No one said that being a sort of soft revolutionary wasn't going to come with any sacrifices.

01:01:51.400 But there are advantages to this.

01:01:53.720 So.

01:01:54.520 And this is the old showdown that I, one day I'm going to get this, facilitate this debate

01:02:00.500 in person between Yarvin and Rufo.

01:02:03.540 You know, Rufo's the right wing lint ski guy.

01:02:05.520 Yarvin does not think that that can work for the right side.

01:02:08.680 Yeah, I want to get that further down.

01:02:10.220 Well, I mean, I don't see any harm in trying.

01:02:16.360 I always forget how to properly pronounce that, man.

01:02:18.440 Ethel Pemplar.

01:02:20.080 Yeah, anyway.

01:02:22.020 For $10, thank you, man.

01:02:23.340 I'm reminded of the, oh, how's your Roman names here?

01:02:26.740 You want to give that one a?

01:02:29.500 Caniorato Marcellinia.

01:02:31.800 All right, I'm going with that.

01:02:32.720 That sounds right.

01:02:33.960 An organization the Gauls made to protect themselves when Rome abandoned the border.

01:02:38.680 Rome ended up fighting them more than the Germans' imperial elite. 0.82

01:02:43.880 Yeah, I'm not particularly familiar with that moment in history.

01:02:48.040 I'm actually not familiar with them either, which surprises me because I'm pretty good

01:02:51.100 on Roman history.

01:02:51.960 Yeah, you are.

01:02:52.900 I'm reasonably good at Roman history, but you are better.

01:02:55.580 And so I was hoping you would help me out there.

01:02:57.800 I thought I'd know.

01:03:00.300 But I mean, it's a huge subject and I'm just an enthusiastic amateur.

01:03:05.840 Literally a thousand years.

01:03:07.940 That's if you don't count the Byzantine.

01:03:10.280 Mint 20 for $10.

01:03:12.180 It used to be that to become a Japanese subject, you needed to be adopted by a citizen who is

01:03:16.940 that you are then the responsibility and has to answer for your errors.

01:03:19.960 It seems like it is a model pity that ended in the post-war.

01:03:23.240 Well, actually, this is also, you know, shout out to the Hoppians out there.

01:03:26.920 This is how Hans Harmer and Hopp's covenant communities would also work.

01:03:31.980 You would need to be basically contracted in by somebody who's already part of the community.

01:03:37.060 You would be liable or they would be liable for your behavior for a certain number of years

01:03:41.940 before you're able to actually become part of it.

01:03:44.100 I think there are more organic ways to do that, but it is most certainly an excellent standard

01:03:49.340 by which to hold kind of the immigration process.

01:03:52.820 I think that's definitely on the right track.

01:03:55.320 To me, I think it would be easy just to say that foreign immigrants are forbidden from marrying anyone other than a native. 0.98

01:04:02.720 I think that would just be the easiest way to kind of nudge people into, because one of the problems that the right has

01:04:09.280 is it seems to want to do some quite dramatic things that I just think are never going to happen.

01:04:14.820 And so being like, okay, well, you know, we want to have X happen, it's like, okay, but that's not going to happen.

01:04:19.060 But a kind of strong, you know, use the existing nudge technology that they have to nudge in our direction

01:04:25.500 and you'll get the results you want just over a slightly extended period of time.

01:04:29.400 I think that's a lot more likely than a hard break with the previous way of doing things and a radical position.

01:04:37.680 Now, don't get me wrong, I'm happy if that does happen.

01:04:40.240 I just think the, you know, introducing sort of nudge laws is a lot more likely, in my opinion. 0.59

01:04:46.640 I don't think that's the case because I think nudge laws work because they drive people away from axioms and not towards them.

01:04:55.020 Well, no, no, it could well be.

01:04:57.400 But it depends the axioms you're driving people away from.

01:05:02.380 Precisely.

01:05:02.960 I think there is a real truth that leftism is entropy.

01:05:07.840 And I think that...

01:05:09.080 Oh, it's definitely true.

01:05:10.400 Yeah.

01:05:10.680 And so I think that the mechanisms that drive people to leftist outcomes are not the same ones that drive people towards rightist outcomes.

01:05:17.120 You have to reestablish societal core truths for a right to properly reestablish itself.

01:05:22.620 And that doesn't happen in the same process that the leftist...

01:05:25.960 That's a long debate that we can have another time.

01:05:27.620 It is.

01:05:28.020 Well, it's next time, Carl.

01:05:29.440 Next time.

01:05:29.820 Yeah.

01:05:31.480 Max Woodbridge here from Canada.

01:05:33.940 Do you notice a trend amongst the dissonant right to write off liberals as irredeemable, please?

01:05:39.900 Or lest we forget, many of us, including Carl, were liberals not long ago.

01:05:44.120 Yes.

01:05:44.400 But I mean, Carl's received the baptism.

01:05:45.980 I, yeah, to be honest with you, I think I'm one of the most effective deconstructors of liberalism around at the moment, actually.

01:05:53.220 I would agree.

01:05:54.320 One of the interesting things about the dissonant right is actually they're not great on liberalism.

01:05:59.820 Like, you recognize where the boundaries of it are, right?

01:06:02.100 And so you can see, oh, no, that's liberalism if I go over that line.

01:06:04.680 That's fine.

01:06:05.040 You're all great at that.

01:06:06.060 But actually, from within the tent, I noticed that the dissonant right doesn't very well deconstruct liberalism.

01:06:13.220 And I think it's just because I've been in and come out that I can be like, oh, right, I know, I see all the problems here.

01:06:19.600 And I'm constantly banging the drum, actually, about, I don't know, liberalism is wrong, this, this, and this.

01:06:25.760 Yeah.

01:06:26.280 And I do think that has been to an advantage of mine, actually.

01:06:30.200 And it's nice to be able to put it into practice as well, whenever I'm, like, talking to some leftist online or whatever it is, you know. 0.83

01:06:38.060 Well, I expect you to hold those dirty liberals inside the dissonant right accountable. 0.95

01:06:42.240 It's, you know, purge them, Carl. 0.91

01:06:44.180 Well, the thing is just, again, like, the problem of the dissonant right is still, at this point, sees liberalism as the lodestone that everything is dragged towards.

01:06:58.680 And they don't see themselves as being a center of gravity.

01:07:02.240 And I think that's wrong, because I think it is actually a center of gravity.

01:07:06.420 And there's a kind of lack of self-confidence in the dissonant right because of this.

01:07:11.380 You know, they're desperately trying not to get sucked into the goo of liberalism, you know.

01:07:16.040 And actually, I think, I'm going to write something on this, because it's quite a long thing.

01:07:22.680 But I think there's a particular way of conceiving of these things.

01:07:24.940 It's actually, if we use the right language, we kind of make our own position inevitable.

01:07:30.720 And I do think our position is inevitable.

01:07:33.500 No, I'd be interested in that, because I certainly think that that's true.

01:07:37.160 But I'd be interested to see how you get there.

01:07:40.020 I think the insecurity about, like, you know, new people and celebrities and stuff like that, I think it's because of that.

01:07:45.900 Whereas the left do see themselves as the inevitable consequence of liberalism.

01:07:50.000 So they are totally fine to just go balls to the wall.

01:07:53.460 Oh, yeah, you know, you're our guy, you're our guy.

01:07:56.020 You know, they're not insecure about that at all.

01:07:58.900 Well, I think for a large amount also for the DR, that it is not yet one thing.

01:08:03.880 And so because of that, it can't say you're our guy because they don't even know what their guy looks like at this point.

01:08:09.200 We need intersectional rightism.

01:08:11.860 It's not wrong. 0.84

01:08:14.500 I know.

01:08:15.800 But that's a longer discussion.

01:08:16.940 I know, we need a unifying theory.

01:08:18.540 Yeah, just like our international gathering of nationalists.

01:08:21.160 I know, I know, but it works, right?

01:08:23.080 It's really fun.

01:08:23.800 You're not wrong, yeah.

01:08:24.960 The Irish should challenge the immigrants in a drinking contest. 1.00

01:08:27.540 Winner gets the land.

01:08:29.140 I mean, that's just...

01:08:30.300 Well, they're going to win that.

01:08:31.480 Yeah, right.

01:08:33.000 But that's why that'll never be the case.

01:08:34.980 Right.

01:08:35.180 Ireland totally should have stayed...

01:08:38.040 Sorry, Dylan98 here.

01:08:39.580 Ireland totally should have stayed in the UK and adopted mass migration in the 1960s as the Brits did instead of doing it in the 2000s.

01:08:47.660 No.

01:08:50.300 It's just...

01:08:51.460 I mean, I don't mind that the Irish don't want to be a part of Britain. 1.00

01:08:55.420 I understand.

01:08:56.020 And I don't mind that the Northern Irish do want to be a part of Britain.

01:08:58.960 You know, again, I understand.

01:08:59.760 But, like, if they'd remained a part of Britain, they would have been subject to the same settler colonial narrative that we are.

01:09:09.960 And so the Irish wouldn't have had the kind of strong defensive fortification that they have in, no, we are the colonized people, actually.

01:09:18.080 You're the new plantation.

01:09:19.700 You know, they have...

01:09:20.320 That's a really strong defense.

01:09:22.140 So it's good for them that they don't...

01:09:23.940 They didn't remain in.

01:09:24.960 So, Tiny Rick for $1.99, what if Bill Maher, Countersignal, or Love Bomb?

01:09:31.840 Love Bomb.

01:09:32.620 I know everyone hates it.

01:09:33.940 I know everyone hates to hear it, right?

01:09:35.620 But the thing is with Bill Maher is he hasn't got a better narrative, right?

01:09:42.940 Bill Maher is not insensible.

01:09:45.400 And, I mean, does anyone remember Bill Maher talking about men leading lives of quiet desperation, right?

01:09:50.040 That bit that he did decades ago now.

01:09:52.340 It's really, really good.

01:09:53.460 That was when I first became a fan of Bill Maher, because he is a liberal, but that's because that's the only narrative he's being given.

01:09:59.920 And he's never been given a persuasive narrative to the contrary.

01:10:03.660 You know, and I think Bill Maher would actually be receptive to a persuasive narrative if it were presented to him.

01:10:09.400 And so, basically, in Bill Maher's notifications constantly, he should have the persuasive narrative from our side about, you know, love of the home, the hearth, tradition, continuity presented to him.

01:10:18.360 And I think it would maybe start getting through.

01:10:22.100 No, he's not the zealot that lots of other people are.

01:10:27.220 Like, Jon Stewart is never going to hear you, right?

01:10:29.640 But I think Bill Maher might.

01:10:31.600 So, but again, I've been proved wrong on many things, many times.

01:10:34.800 And Bill Maher very recently, and Gadsad, and various others.

01:10:39.620 So, you know, I'm not saying I'm not the eternal optimist.

01:10:44.240 But I can't help but harbor a hope that maybe one day Bill Maher will go like, you know what, Sargon was right.

01:10:50.260 So, I understand why you hold a special place in your heart for the repentant new atheist, you know? 0.93

01:10:58.360 Like, I understand that we made that joke back and forth on Twitter.

01:11:03.300 Here's my test, my limitless test.

01:11:07.560 Carl, I know you don't hate me.

01:11:09.780 I don't hate what?

01:11:10.440 I know you don't hate me.

01:11:12.500 I know you don't hate my class.

01:11:14.060 I know you don't hate my community.

01:11:16.220 I know you don't hate my people, right?

01:11:19.200 Yes.

01:11:19.860 Even though at some point you disagreed and, you know, we're making snide jokes about religion, right?

01:11:24.920 So, that's the thing that where that's why that is not a barrier, you know, here.

01:11:29.540 When I look at people like Maher or Gadsad or James Lindsay or whatever, like, these are people who hate my people.

01:11:36.260 And they do.

01:11:37.880 They do.

01:11:38.780 You can see the class hatred.

01:11:40.760 Gadsad can't help himself.

01:11:42.340 He has to say, even though he's been milking that IDW gravy train for a long time, he still has to come out and, like, you know, make it throw his jokes about Jethro in the middle of the country because Gadsad has a class war with that guy.

01:11:58.300 That, like, his identity is built around being better than that person.

01:12:02.060 I can smell that a mile away because I'm part of the class.

01:12:05.000 No, no, I can as well.

01:12:06.640 And so, when I look at someone like Bill Maher, I know I can smell that.

01:12:12.360 I can smell that hatred coming off him.

01:12:14.720 You and me talk.

01:12:15.360 We don't have that problem.

01:12:16.220 And so, like, so that's the differentiation for me is I hear you, like, 100% hear you.

01:12:20.960 Yeah, no, I hate you as well.

01:12:21.560 Reach across those aisles and make those enemies into friends when you can.

01:12:26.560 But for me, the friend-enemy distinction is do you define your identity in opposition to my identity?

01:12:35.900 That's literally what the friend-enemy distinction means.

01:12:38.860 And for guys like Gadsad, that's what their identity is.

01:12:42.440 I don't know.

01:12:43.460 Otherwise, they wouldn't throw that out.

01:12:45.240 Otherwise, that wouldn't snap off that way.

01:12:46.960 I think that Gadsad is not actually as bad as people think.

01:12:52.280 And I think it's just the recent kerfuffle with Israel and Palestine that has brought out a bad side of him.

01:12:59.660 But I actually don't think that he's congenitally like this all the way.

01:13:03.100 But, again, I've been proved wrong before, and I may well be wrong on this.

01:13:10.960 But I get the feeling that if I were to be able to have a frank conversation with a bunch of these people, I could possibly change their mind.

01:13:19.040 But, again, I'm happy to be just labeled the eternal optimist on this.

01:13:22.320 But I do hear what you're saying.

01:13:24.060 I do hear what you're saying.

01:13:24.900 But I'm not sure that these – I think for a lot of these guys, it's kind of a defense mechanism, actually, because I think that they fear being pushed towards a place where their peers will reject them outright.

01:13:40.140 Now, I mean, Gadsad was quite an open Trump supporter, for example.

01:13:42.800 Oh, yeah.

01:13:43.420 So I find it hard to believe that actually he nurtures a hatred in his heart for the average working American.

01:13:49.680 I find it hard to believe.

01:13:50.840 I think he was just really blundering recently and is too proud to be like, actually, no, good point.

01:13:58.820 Didn't really think about that.

01:14:00.340 But I don't think he does harbor a hatred in his heart.

01:14:03.520 And I think his open Trump support, when that wasn't a popular position among his peers, actually shows that.

01:14:11.280 I think it puts him in better footing than, say, Sam Harris.

01:14:15.080 Well, yeah.

01:14:17.240 Sam Harris is another one of these guys, right?

01:14:19.140 Sam Harris is not someone, I think, who can be converted, right?

01:14:23.940 Sam Harris is a great, great example of how he is never going to hear what you're saying, and he will willfully not hear what you're saying.

01:14:33.320 Gadsad, James Lindsay, I think actually, you know, these guys could be brought across in a sympathetic way.

01:14:40.120 But I understand why people don't like them as well.

01:14:43.340 I will leave you to do that missionary work.

01:14:47.520 I will set that task before you.

01:14:50.040 Yeah.

01:14:50.500 All right.

01:14:50.880 Our last one here, guys.

01:14:51.960 Thank you so much.

01:14:52.800 I appreciate all of your help.

01:14:54.840 The region across there says, it's amazing that countries that had nothing to do with colonialism or the slave trade can trick on the same sort of mindset that Americans have concerning race relations.

01:15:05.600 Yeah, that's unfortunately the consequence of us being the global hegemon when it comes to culture.

01:15:11.920 We can project that conflict anywhere our elites need it to go.

01:15:17.400 And also, the ideology was so well developed within liberalism, all of the liberal countries are falling prey to it.

01:15:25.260 They can't help it.

01:15:26.440 They just have no antibodies to any of this.

01:15:29.840 But the regular Irish person isn't a doctrinaire liberal, and they do feel very strongly that they are Irish before anything else.

01:15:38.840 So, fingers crossed.

01:15:40.980 Absolutely.

01:15:41.740 All right, guys.

01:15:42.340 Well, thank you so much for coming by.

01:15:44.560 Carl, thank you once again.

01:15:45.820 Always a pleasure to talk to you.

01:15:47.600 Looks like we might have a couple other topics we'll have to dive into later on.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - November 28, 2023

Troubles in Ireland ｜ Guest： Carl Benjamin ｜ 11⧸28⧸23

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