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Donald Trump has angered the big clown lobby. Elon Musk has been meeting with Curtis Yarvin. Sam Harris has finally found a faith that he can truly embrace, something he can completely embrace. And Elon Musk wants a billion Americans.
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Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I am Oren McIntyre.
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Today, we've got a really interesting slate of stories. Donald Trump has angered the big
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clown lobby. That's right, big clown is coming after Donald Trump. We also found out that Elon
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Musk has been meeting with Curtis Yarvin, so that NRX pipeline is moving even faster than perhaps I
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had originally anticipated. And finally, Sam Harris has finally found a faith that he can truly believe
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in, something he can completely embrace. And yes, it does basically violate every principle that he
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has fought for his entire life, but I bet you can't guess what he was willing to throw all those
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principles away for. Well, you probably can, but we'll get to it in just a second. Sorry,
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I know I'm still off camera. I'm mostly over this cold now. Knock me down for a few days there. I
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thought it was going to be over it faster. I'm almost through it, but I'm still coughing,
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blowing my nose a little bit. So I don't want to be doing that on camera. So we're still off camera
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here, but I should be back on Monday or dead. One of the two, but we'll find out, I guess.
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But let's start with the easiest story first. So New York Times came out with a piece. Oh no,
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oh no. Curtis Yarvin is meeting with Donald or sorry, with Elon Musk. Now I've talked about this
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a few times. Elon Musk is trying to start this new America party. He got into this big knockdown drag
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out with Donald Trump after getting in a knockdown drag out with Donald Trump's supporters. This was
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always a tenuous relationship. I hope eventually they do patch this up, but he does seem to be moving
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forward with at some level, uh, the, the actual, uh, creation of this party. And so we decided to
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consult somebody who is widely known as a very insightful political, uh, theorist in our current
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day, which is Curtis Yarvin. Uh, and of course, New York times freaked out. They wrote a piece about
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how racist Curtis Yarvin is, and he's a monarchist. And can you believe Elon Musk is talking to this guy?
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And well, yeah, of course he's talking to this guy. Curtis is if known, if for anything being
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big in Silicon Valley, right? These Peter Thiel and these kinds of guys well-connected in a lot of
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those, uh, circles. And so of course, Elon Musk tech doc tech guy says, I'm going to look at politics.
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He's probably going to run into Curtis Yarvin at some point. Now, the very funny thing about the
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Elon Musk, Curtis Yarvin meeting is we don't know exactly what took place inside of it. I have no
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insider knowledge here other than being very familiar with Curtis's work, but, uh, immediately
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after the meeting, Elon Musk unfollowed Curtis Yarvin on Twitter. Uh, so it probably didn't
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go super well, which is exactly what you would expect. Again, I have no insider knowledge, uh, but,
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but knowing Curtis and knowing, uh, kind of what he would probably talk to Elon about, he probably
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walked in there and, you know, just hit him right away with, look, democracy is a joke. Uh, it's an
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absolute clown show. And the third party is just the saddest clown in the troop, right? Uh, not, not
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to play too heavily off of our next story here, but just, just probably went in there and gave them
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the very political realist understanding that ultimately you're not going to get anything done.
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This is a waste of your time. If you wanted to take over something, just take over the Republican
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party, use Donald Trump as a vehicle to the extent that you can. Uh, I think that's what Elon Musk
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ultimately was trying to do and maybe found out that he did not, uh, purchase a politician as
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thoroughly as he had expected with Donald Trump, uh, and was disappointed in those results. And the
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fact that the MAGA base also very clearly opposes Elon Musk's, what seems to be more or less open
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borders policy. I mean, don't get me wrong. He, sorry, the legal open borders policy. Elon Musk
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wants a billion Americans. Uh, most of them flown in from India, but like legally though. Uh, and so
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that, that was a big problem for Elon Musk. He obviously got a big pushback during Christmas when
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he attempted to say, we need all of these H1Bs and H1Bs and immigrants. They build everything here.
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And, and, uh, you know, I can't use the language he used on Twitter, but a lot of F you in the face.
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If you don't want every illegal or you don't want every, uh, immigrant here, uh, through some H1B
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program. And so I imagine that basically Curtis just sat him down and said, this whole idea is
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ridiculous. And that's not what Elon Musk wanted to hear. Uh, so he immediately kind of threw,
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threw Yarvin out of the boat. Now I got a feeling that eventually Elon's going to come around on this
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issue. If he actually continues to involve himself in politics. Remember guys, people can be extremely
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intelligent inside of, uh, their discipline and not understand the general world. There are lots of
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really, really smart people who have no clue about politics as we see time and time again. Uh, and so
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just because Elon Musk is very smart and very capable in other areas, uh, even if he has a decent
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operating knowledge of dealing with government because of his contracts and everything else he has
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to work with, that doesn't mean he has an accurate understanding of political dynamics. And Curtis
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Yarvin is somebody who tells people basically the politics, as you understand, it doesn't work.
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And since Elon Musk is basically running like the oldest of, uh, you know, kind of bad strategies and
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trying to do this third party thing, uh, that that's clearly not what he wanted to hear, uh, when he was
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talking to Curtis Yarvin, but that's probably exactly what he got, uh, when, when they were discussing
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this. So he was not super happy probably to hear that from Curtis, but it's the kind of thing that
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you'd get. So maybe Elon will continue down this road. Maybe, you know, the, the, the disillusionment
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is part of embracing the NRX understanding of, uh, democracy. So you, you have to kind of break
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yourselves on the rocks of democracy first, before you are willing to kind of take on many of those
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truths. Uh, so it'll be interesting to see how that develops, but it was just very funny because the
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New York times ran this, like, ah, you know, the evil bizarre fascism, Curtis Yarvin is showing up
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to Elon's thing. And, uh, you know, it turns out that actually like they, they just, you know,
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he didn't like him at all and kind of immediately dropped him. So that was pretty funny. All right.
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So, uh, that said, let's get into our actual, uh, first story here, uh, which is this article
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from the New York times. I promise I did not make this up. This is not fake. Uh, it is hilarious.
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It is stupid. Um, but it is not, it is not fake. This did appear in the New York times
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and the, uh, article is entitled Donald Trump is not a clown. I should know real crown clowns
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bring joy to the world, not chaos to Washington. So yes, this is an anti-Trump op-ed appearing
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in the New York times pinned by a literal clown. Like it, I know we call this clown world. Uh,
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but, but here we are like, this is actual political commentary from a literal clown, not just a clown
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to be clear. This is the clown. Okay. He is a professional clown and runs, uh, the, the, uh,
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clowns without borders. So he's a globalist clown even better.
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So yeah, so we have this globalist clown. He's the, he's the head of big clown is running
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the clown unions. He's got the clown clout. This is the, you know, this, this is the true
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king of comedy here. Uh, and so, uh, he is very offended obviously that Donald Trump is
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being called a clown because being clown is not an insult. Uh, which is really funny because
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I think the first aspect of being a clown is probably not taking yourself seriously. Uh,
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but you know, uh, it's politics and it, you know, he can opine. So he gets to go in the
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New York times. That's, that's the level of seriousness with which the New York times
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vets its op-ed contributors. Uh, so let's get into the piece here. Uh, 10 Cunningham, our,
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our author is the board president of clowns without borders, a nonprofit that performs clown
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shows for communities facing hardship. Because if I am without water somewhere in sub-Saharan
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Africa, the first thing I want to see is a pasty dude, uh, making balloon animals. Uh,
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but here we go. Allegations that president Donald Trump is a clownish figure are not hard to come
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by. Political strategist, James Carville referred to Trump's administration as the clown show after
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Homeland security secretary, Kristi Noem gave an incorrect definition of habeas corpus during a
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Senate hearing in response to the president. I mean, Joe Biden couldn't anyway. Well, why,
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why, why even bother? Uh, in response to the president retreating, uh, from both his, uh,
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heavy tariff plan and his nomination of Ed Martin to be U S attorney for the district of Columbia,
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MSNBC commentator, Lawrence O'Donnell called the president a humiliating clown.
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And when the president made himself the focal, uh, point of laughter in June by hosting a military,
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uh, birthday military celebration to a lackluster crowd in DC, uh, hundreds of demonstrators across
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the country participated in kick out the clown, a protest, which, uh, they describe as a nationwide
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counter circus to the president's tacky parade. Uh, so just wondering here, uh, if you're making fun
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of a lack of attendance at the military parade, which I thought was pretty cool. Most people I know,
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that was pretty cool. Um, you're hundreds of demonstrators across the country. So you got
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a couple of hundred people across 50 States. So a few, a few demonstrators per state, if we're
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equally distributing this and you're knocking Donald Trump's attendance when you can't get anyone
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to show up to your own protests, but none of this qualifies Trump for such a title. I am a clown
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and a board president of the nonprofit clowns without borders. And I'm here to set the record
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straight. Yeah. We can't be besmirching, uh, the good name of clowns with Donald Trump, right? Yeah.
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It's the, the creepy carny workers, uh, you know, usually assumed to, uh, you know, be completely
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drunk and possibly involving themselves, uh, in, in, uh, inappropriate activity. Yeah. We, we,
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we wouldn't want to besmirch their, their, their well, well, uh, uh, regarded character, right?
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He says, I have performed as a professional clown for 24 years. Uh, I mean, I don't know, man, if
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you do you right. I guess somewhere somebody has to make money doing this, but if you have dedicated
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24 years of your life to wearing makeup and, uh, you know, uh, making a balloon animal for children,
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maybe, maybe don't be so self-righteous. Don't, don't think that you're, uh, somebody who should
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be opining on the character of the president. Maybe just stick to being a drunk that wanders from town
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to town, uh, to perform, uh, you know, uh, at children's birthday parties, uh, clown with a capital
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sea is a valuable and varied art form, uh, pantomimes, acrobats, uh, magicians, dancers,
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standup comedians, vaudeville artists, and jugglers are all examples of artists who incorporate clown
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into their work. Is this a real thing where they just, like, it's clown, like they don't call it
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clowning or anything. It's this really self-important. I, I practice the art of clown. Is that, is that
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really the verbiage that we're using? I mean, I guess if you formed a professional
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society around it, then yeah, you are that pretentious, but again, just as a guy in
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grease paint, who's juggling in front of children, maybe, maybe try to back off a bit, a little
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with it there, uh, whether you know it or, uh, know it as clown or not, you've likely seen it
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from stage clowns, such as Bill Irwin to the care characters of Cirque, uh, Cirque de Soleil,
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uh, why can't I, Cirque Soleil, right? Isn't that how you say it? I don't know. I'm, I'm not good at
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this, uh, created by masters such as, uh, Michelle Matlock and, uh, Mookie Cornish
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from, uh, pedagogical ensembles such as Pig Iron or Spy Monkey, uh, to healthcare clown organizations
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such as the, uh, the Laughter League and Healthy Humor. Clown is huge. Yes, uh, it, clown is huge,
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I suppose. Uh, clown demands years, if not a lifetime of study. Okay, buddy.
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I'm sorry, but what the heck? Like, what, what are, what are you doing? What are you doing
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with your life, man? It's already embarrassing that this is something you've dedicated your
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life, too. Uh, but, but the insane amount of pretension and the need to feel to lecture,
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uh, everyone, like, I know this is the New York Times and this is what it does, right? Like,
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it runs overly pretentious people attacking middle America somewhere, uh, but you, you have literally
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dedicated yourself to the art of being an idiot in front of children, which, fine, if you make some
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people happy than good, I guess, ultimately. But just, really, I mean, I don't know, man. I, I've,
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I've done, I, I would never even talk about my own profession this way. Like, I, I have to dedicate
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my life to the reading and commentation of, of, on books. Like, it's just something, it's something I
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do, I do for work. I don't consider it, like, a sacred art. Uh, but, you know, I, I guess I'm no clown,
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so there's that. Consider the physical curiosity of Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton or the
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impeccable, uh, comedic timing of Mr. Bean. What's more, clown is not an, an invention of the modern
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era. Several ancient indigenous cultures, uh, uh, revere a sacred clown figure. For example, the,
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I'm not even going to attempt to pronounce that word. I guess it's from the Sioux Indians. Uh, people
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celebrate, uh, the, hey, Yoka, an honorable, uh, community member who uses, uh, humor to shed light
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on societal problems. Yeah. It's called a jester, right? Like, yes, this is, it's true that this is
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a recurring figure, right? There is, uh, a good bit of truth that the archetype itself is important,
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right? Like, uh, that, that there is someone who can be ridiculous. Uh, but one of the things that a
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ridiculous, you know, the jester does is reveal, uh, you know, the hilarious things the leaders do,
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right? They shame them by like, kind of being able to speak the truth because they are the idiot.
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That's the archetype. That's the idiot, the, the jester, they, they, because they are in this position
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of being a joke, they can say things to people in power, uh, that are, uh, somehow revealing.
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They, they speak a truth that no one else can speak because you can't really hold the clown
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accountable, right? This is always, this is kind of what the John Stewart or the Babylon Bee guys do.
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It's like the clown knows on clown knows off thing, right? That's kind of always been the problem.
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They, they, they play the role of the clown. Hey, I'm just a clown. I'm a, I'm a comedian. I'm a joker,
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right? I'm, I'm, I'm this archetype of, of mixing it up. And so you can't really, you can't really
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attack me because of whatever I'm saying is a joke. But then the minute that they want to make a serious
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statement, the clown knows comes off and it's a, well, actually I'm a self-righteous crusader and I,
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I have very serious opinions and I should be able to debate and discuss and be taken very seriously
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in the public square. Unless you point out, I said something stupid and then I'm a clown again and
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Hong Kong, look at me, right? Like that, like you can't really argue anything I'm saying because at
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the end of the day, I'm wearing the clown makeup. If you're, if you're trying to take on this archetype,
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you're supposed to remain funny. You're supposed to remain the fool, right? That that's what cloaks
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you in this ability to speak these truths. The minute you take the clown nose off, the minute
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you try to be serious, the minute you write an article for the New York times about the serious
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nature of clown, uh, you've kind of broken that whole facade. You've broken out of that archetype
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and opened yourself back up to kind of standard criticism about what you're doing. And so now we're
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in the scenario where this guy is trying to act as if the, you know, very, uh, profession he's
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talking about that goes back for, you know, pre, uh, presenting these humorous situations is actually
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the most serious thing in the world. You can also see here that there's a, you know, I've always
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wondered this, this is a very fascinating problem. So do, do black clowns wearing traditional clown
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makeup. Are they in white face? Is that offensive? If a, if you're a black guy, I imagine there's
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not a lot of black clowns. I don't think that's probably a profession that a lot of, uh, black
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gentlemen get into, but if you, if you follow, find yourself in the scenario and you put on the
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white grease paint, is that a hate crime of some time like type or are you, are you racially
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insensitive or are you culturally appropriating, uh, the skin color of the white man?
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Obviously we see here that this, uh, this black clown is himself, uh, still without the grease
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paint, but it seems like the woman behind him also is not. I understand that that's not always
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something that clowns do. So, uh, maybe he did. Yeah. At first I was like, well, maybe he chose not
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to wear it because of the crowd, the, uh, crowd of Zimbabwean, uh, children, uh, that he is performing
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for, but perhaps that is simply a part of the, uh, of the decision there. Uh, let's see back to our
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article. All clown shares the same common values of healing, empathy, and reflection. So this is, uh,
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there's always this attempt to unify, uh, and globalize these things. If you, so, so you notice
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what he did here, he goes down like, oh, it's an indigenous, you know, here's the tie to this
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indigenous art form and you can see it manifested across these different, uh, cultures. Uh, but
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then he's like, well, there's this, this, uh, unified, uh, value. How do you have a unified value
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of this deep, uh, deeply particular and cultural, uh, tradition? Like what, what is that? Did you get
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together? Was there a clown council? Did you drop the, the clown Magna Carta? Uh, what, what,
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when did we arrive at these common values? Uh, where the, where the tribal ancestors who were
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being jesters, did they know about, uh, your, your shared, uh, clown values? I've witnessed the
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smiles that clowns bring to the faces of people in hospitals, war zones, and refugee camps and
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homeless shelters. I got to say, man, I get the hospital thing. Look, I, I find clowns to be a
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little off-putting, but I'm not afraid of them, but I, it's not something I'm going to enjoy. I'm like,
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oh boy, a clown. But you know, if you're making a kid in a hospital smile, then fine. Good. Right.
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Uh, but if I'm in a war zone or a refugee, especially a refugee camp and someone shows up
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with a clown, um, no, no, poor, some poor refugees sitting there, like watch, watch his family get
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blown away. Right. Like watch, watch the, you know, his, his, his children starve, uh, waste away in
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front of him. Uh, but now some dude in, in like a rubber nose is, is juggling and, uh, like, uh,
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pulling, uh, you know, uh, uh, handkerchiefs out of someone's ear. Uh, no, please, please don't do
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that. In May, I traveled to Beirut. See, yeah, no, no traveled to Beirut, uh, and work with local
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clowns. Is there like a local, like an on the ground clown deployment? It's, uh, like, like the, you
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know, the, the league of Beirut clowns, is there, can you check in with a local, uh, clown
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constabulary? Like, how does that, how does that even work to share levity and playfulness
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with children living under the constant threat of bombardment? Um, what happens if you're bombed
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while you're there? Like, is it, is it a clown? Uh, is there a clown shelter? Uh, what if you do
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your shoes fit when you have to like get into the clown shop? Is that like a real concern?
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I don't, I don't know. Uh, can you run from, from the bombing in the clown shoes?
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What if you're just, you know, you're like, that would be funny, funny, but tragic, right?
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Like they're like bombing a hospital where this clown is performing for children. He's
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like running in the hallway and just like trips and falls and like his seltzer bottle
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goes spraying down, down the hallway. After our shows, uh, their teachers told us that they
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saw a life in their student's eyes, which they have not seen, uh, since before.
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October 23rd. Look, if ultimately they're helping children out, I hope that's the case. I,
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again, your kid in Beirut and clown shows up. I don't know, man. Is there anything else you
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could have shown up with any, anything else? But I guess you got to take what you can get
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at that point. Uh, this area of clown is called humiliate humanitarian clowning, uh, which clowns
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without borders has specialized in for more than 30 years. Uh, really that sounds like a
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threat clowns without borders. Sounds like a sinister organization, right? Like that's,
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uh, that could be a villainous organization. Uh, we are clowns without borders. Uh, we are
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coming to your town. Uh, we, we are taken over, uh, clowns without borders. We are the CWB
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as it's known, I suppose. Has 13 operational chapters around the world. Our budgets are
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small. You know, you know, I thought it was big clown. What is this? Small budgets? Is
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there a, is there a, a shortage? Well, is it cause they cut USAID? Is that what this
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is? Is that why we got this article? USAID is no longer funding big clown. They've had
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to, they had to trim down their globalist clown budgets. The, the clown bureaus around the
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world are starved of funds, uh, because USAID is no longer doling out, uh, this globalist
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cloud funding, clown funding. Uh, but our reach is broad. We perform for thousands of people
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living in refugee camps, but we also craft an act, uh, for an odd, for an audience of one.
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In rural Haiti, I watched a child receive medical care without pain medication to clean second
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degree burns on his back, laughed through the procedure because he was distracted by a clown.
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I was going to make a, a, uh, a balloon animal joke here, but I will not because a child was
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burned. I've seen hundreds of, uh, I'm not sure how to pronounce that. Uh, children dance with an
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ensemble of clowns while their homes in Myanmar smoldered in the background.
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Uh, why not put out the homes? Like you guys, like you have a, like a seltzer bottle, right?
00:23:26.040
Can you spray the homes? Can you, can you put out the fire? I mean, I'm sure the clown performance
00:23:30.920
is nice, but, but if their homes are burning, can, can you help put them out? I seems like the first,
00:23:37.840
the first priority there. Uh, clowns are more than children's birthday party performers. Uh,
00:23:43.400
they are not sorry. Sorry. I know you've dedicated your life to this, but no, that is,
00:23:48.840
that is what they are. Um, uh, we help people relax, heal and prompt others to think differently
00:23:55.540
about the world. Uh, first, um, uh, no one is looking for a clown to relax. Uh, clowns are famously
00:24:03.300
creepy, famously off-putting. Uh, very few people actually like them in many ways. They are a relic of
00:24:09.500
the past. Uh, no one is like, Oh, this clown is really helping me to unwind, man. I'm finally,
00:24:15.360
I was so stressed out, but then this really terrifying looking guy showed up and creeped me
00:24:20.400
out. Uh, smelled a lot of, of cheap booze. I, yeah, that, that really helped me unwind after,
00:24:26.400
you know, my house burned out or whatever. Uh, also, uh, think differently about the world.
00:24:31.640
This is, so this is the most amazing and annoying thing about progressives. They are all so self
00:24:37.820
important, right? It's my profession changes the world. My profession changes the world,
00:24:43.300
everything. I'm always about changing people's minds and changing the way they know you are a
00:24:48.920
cartoon. You are a jester. You are a joke. Literally. You are a joke, a professional joke.
00:24:56.020
You do not help people see the world differently. You're a guy in a creepy outfit doing a handstand.
00:25:03.220
No one is changing their worldview here. You are not changing lives. Maybe you give someone some
00:25:08.820
laughs. Maybe you alleviate a difficult moment. And in that moment, good on you, man, but I'm sorry.
00:25:14.440
No, you are not changing the way people see the world. Get over yourself.
00:25:26.020
Just before the 2010 Haitian earthquake, uh, the clowns without borders was invited to perform in
00:25:32.460
a communal section of Port-au-Prince called Mardiscent. Uh, two warring gangs controlled the
00:25:37.760
area, but both groups, one of their children to see the clowns, uh, we were granted access to safely
00:25:44.100
perform for both gangs and their children, a collective recognition that no matter who you are,
00:25:49.620
you want your children to experience joy. So this is like the Christmas truce, right? Like both
00:25:54.620
Haitian gangs stop like eating the, uh, flesh of their opponents, uh, to like watch the clowns
00:26:03.300
perform. Uh, is there, does the clown have to worry that he may become a snack? Like what is the,
00:26:10.340
what is the protocol for performing for Haitian gangs, which are often celebrating their victories
00:26:15.380
with cannibalism? Like, do you have to worry about that? Are you just so gross that they would
00:26:19.540
never touch you? I don't know. Um, yet our joyful work has been diminished into an insult. Yes,
00:26:27.260
yes, it is a joke. That's the whole point. Don't take yourself seriously. That's the point.
00:26:35.320
Every election season, the word clown resurfaces to compare tumultuous Washington politics to a
00:26:42.020
circus. Political commentators and social media users are not the only ones who wrongfully
00:26:47.040
sling this jibe. Clown is the most used by almost everyone to belittle those seen as foolish or
00:26:53.580
incompetent. The more we mistreat the word, the more we lose understanding of the sacred art form. No,
00:27:00.820
first, it's not a sacred art form. You're not a shaman. You're not a priest. You're not someone
00:27:07.760
who's changing the world. You're a grown man who dedicated yourself to being a joke. Now,
00:27:13.820
the whole reason that there is even a sacred nature to this, I will, I will say there is a,
00:27:18.760
there's a sacred nature to the archetype. Again, the, the fool, the jester, these are real things
00:27:25.120
that manifest themselves across time and space. There is a real truth to them having some sacred
00:27:30.440
significance. However, the whole point, again, the whole point, the only reason the clown has any
00:27:36.540
role to play in society is that he is the joke. The clown can say things no one else can say.
00:27:43.480
The clown can point out things that no one else can point out. The clown can even make fun of and
00:27:49.860
bring to earth the most powerful people in the world because he's not serious because he has no
00:27:57.200
social standing because he is a joke. He is the lowest of the low. He is the, he had, and when it
00:28:03.240
comes to pecking order, when it comes to honor, when it comes to social standing, he is the very bottom.
00:28:08.960
And because of that, because there's no lower for him to go, he can make fun of the king because the
00:28:16.260
king is going to look silly. The king is going to look like an idiot. The clinic, the king is going
00:28:21.000
to look foolish himself. If he gets mad at the clown, because everyone looks at the clown and knows that
00:28:27.380
the clown cannot get any lower. There's nothing that king can do to the clown to make him less
00:28:33.340
important, less serious, less, uh, you know, um, reduces standing anywhere in society. I mean,
00:28:40.940
he can kill him, I guess, but that just makes them look petty, right? The whole reason the clown
00:28:45.300
has a sacred archetype, the jester, the fool, the reason they exist in their, that space and are given
00:28:51.960
the power they have is that they have no other power, no other standing. This guy wants to have it
00:28:58.260
both ways, right? He wants to elevate himself. I don't insult my profession by tying us to these
00:29:03.820
bad people. Uh, you know, don't, don't use our names as an insult, but also I should be able to
00:29:09.660
inhabit the sacred archetype. No, you have to choose one or the other. The sacredness of the archetype,
00:29:17.880
So let's find a metaphor to despise. And so let's find a better metaphor to despise and dispose
00:29:26.620
fascism. Because of course, Trump is a fascist. You see, even though this guy is a professional loser,
00:29:32.300
like even though he's a professional joke, it's important for him as a progressive to take on
00:29:39.500
the battle against fascism, because that's what every one of these idiots talks about constantly,
00:29:45.580
right? Now, of course, if Trump was a fascist at all, guys like this wouldn't exist. The paper
00:29:50.920
wouldn't exist, but whatever, right? Facts are irrelevant. Anything that is not radical leftism
00:29:55.960
is fascism. Um, and so that, that's just going to be the way that they address anything that
00:30:01.380
opposes them. Keep clown out of Trumpian comparisons. And for that matter, all politics
00:30:08.480
offer clown the respect it deserves and invoke us for good in alliance with other artists,
00:30:15.780
activists, and humans who believe in a better, happier world. So again, he's an activist, right?
00:30:21.680
That's, that's what he's getting to at the end of the day is a political activist who happens to have
00:30:26.740
a clown nose on, uh, which is what all of these activists should have. Uh, but ultimately, you know,
00:30:32.620
he wants, he wants to inhabit this, uh, this, uh, sacred form of being a joke while having, uh, a
00:30:39.640
level of respect. That's not how it works for centuries. Clowns have been uniting people in
00:30:44.440
laughter, levity, and creativity. And, uh, that's what real clowns have to offer. If you're still
00:30:49.960
stuck on the broken comparison ingrained in our national dialogue, here's an alternative. Try
00:30:54.920
buffoon. Uh, you know, uh, obviously this is a stupid article, but you know, we've, we've had a heavy
00:31:00.580
week. We've had, uh, Jeffrey Epstein and we've had, uh, you know, possible amnesty and all this other
00:31:06.560
stuff. Uh, so I thought it would be good to, to go through the joke, uh, here and read this instead.
00:31:12.640
All right. So our other, uh, topic for today is Sam Harris. So, uh, we can transition to another clown.
00:31:21.020
See what I did there. Okay. Uh, so Sam Harris obviously is extremely self-important, right? Uh, this guy is,
00:31:29.220
uh, known as this, uh, you know, meditation group guru and the scientist and this like extreme new
00:31:37.720
atheist, uh, you know, uh, guy hates religion, uh, thinks it's all a joke, uh, you know, once, wants to
00:31:44.580
attack it at every step. And Sam Harris spent a lot of time being a part of, uh, what many people call
00:31:50.440
the IDW, uh, or the, you know, these like center left guys who were very progressive, uh, but decided the
00:31:58.980
left had gone too far and started to make inroads with the rights and the right. It's the, I didn't
00:32:03.860
leave the left, the left left me types. Now, Sam Harris was always like, all of these guys are bad,
00:32:08.540
but Sam Harris was always one of the worst of these guys. Yes. He would technically attack Islam. And
00:32:13.700
yes, from time to time, he would talk about the need to have free speech and at least let these
00:32:18.860
conservatives talk at universities and don't attack them because we need the life of the mind and all
00:32:23.920
this stuff. But ultimately he always kept his really, really embarrassing new atheism and hatred
00:32:29.920
for Christianity. And the fact that he truly despised, uh, Christians and conservatives was
00:32:36.020
always there under the service, even though he started attending some of these events and stuff
00:32:41.140
like that. You could always tell he just despised these people. He had to be in the room when
00:32:45.800
conservatives and he hated it. Um, you know, it's very clear. This is a guy who, you know, expected to
00:32:53.080
live his entire life in the New York times bubble. Uh, and the fact that he had to step out of it for
00:32:57.740
a few minutes to schlub it with the, you know, some of these conservative guys really bothered him.
00:33:03.080
And that was very honest and very obvious. And so, you know, Trump just broke Sam Harris, any,
00:33:09.200
anything that Sam Harris had said about free speech and his own, uh, you know, his own principles when it
00:33:15.260
comes to truth and all these things, he threw it in the trash immediately because of Trump.
00:33:19.340
Harris had this famous, uh, appearance on trigonometry, uh, where he, well, basically said,
00:33:29.500
look, I, I, we had to, we had to lie to the public to get rid of Donald Trump. Donald Trump could not
00:33:34.980
be allowed to be in office. He's too dangerous to, uh, the, the, the class that I belong to. I'm an
00:33:41.660
expert, uh, and the expert class should be the ones ruling. He just basically came out and said exactly
00:33:47.080
what I said in the total state, but thought it was a good thing, right? Like he explained exactly
00:33:51.640
the process. I explained in my book that look, it's, it's the experts that have become in control.
00:33:55.880
It's this deep state, this network of kind of oligarchic actors. They're the ones who
00:34:00.120
really, this managerial elite, they're the ones who really end up, uh, controlling everything,
00:34:04.980
not the politicians, all that. And basically Sam Harris came out and said, yes, that's exactly true.
00:34:09.420
And guys like me, uh, this managerial class, the experts, we're the runs that should be running
00:34:14.220
the country. We're the runs that should be running the institutions. We're the ones that should
00:34:18.200
ultimately wield all the power, make all the decisions. And, uh, you're, you, you plebs,
00:34:22.560
you're voting for stuff that shouldn't matter. Uh, whoever's in charge, technically got voted into
00:34:27.080
office. They should listen to us instead. We're the ones that tell them what to do. Uh, and Donald
00:34:32.000
Trump is not doing that. He's breaking the system that we rely on, but the class of people like me who
00:34:37.840
ultimately should be in power, uh, we're, we're being pushed out by Donald Trump. And so he openly
00:34:42.140
said on trigonometry, uh, we should be in charge. And that means Donald Trump needs to get, uh,
00:34:48.540
thrown out and it doesn't matter if we have to lie. You know, he was asked about the, you know,
00:34:52.880
when we found out that the Hunter Biden laptop was very real and that there had been a conspiracy
00:34:57.240
at the highest levels between intelligence agencies and the FBI and social media and all,
00:35:03.140
you know, all working together to basically cover this up so that Trump would not get reelected.
00:35:07.740
And he said, good. I, he said, you know, his famous line was like, I don't care if Joe Biden
00:35:12.460
is burying the bodies of dead children in his basement. Uh, he needs to be president instead
00:35:17.320
of Trump. Right. I don't care about my principles. I don't care about dead children. I don't care
00:35:22.640
about, uh, truth. I, I don't, the, all that free speech stuff, all of those marketplace of ideas
00:35:27.980
stuff. I don't believe any of it because at the end of the day, uh, I, what I really believe in
00:35:33.720
is my privilege, my class, uh, my people, we should be the ones in charge. We should be the
00:35:38.760
ones running things. Uh, and so all of that stuff I said with the IDW, all those debates on what truth
00:35:44.460
is all of my junk that I feed to my followers about rationality and the search for science and
00:35:51.600
understanding it's all lie. It's all garbage. I'll sacrifice it all in a minute because at the end
00:35:56.680
of the day, friend, enemy politics is all that matters. Sam Harris just said that out loud.
00:36:03.720
Which is particularly funny because guys like James Lindsay, uh, who also were a part of,
00:36:08.800
you know, this like IDW, uh, I didn't leave the left, left me crowd, but guys like James Lindsay
00:36:14.280
will flip out when you talk about the friend enemy distinction. Uh, but guys like Sam Harris just
00:36:18.860
prove it immediately. Right. Sam Harris operates entirely on the friend enemy distinction. He has
00:36:23.320
no rationality. He has no principles. Everything that he does is, is my team winning or is my team
00:36:29.180
losing. Right. That that's it. That's all. So, uh, all that to say, right, we're, we're rehashing
00:36:34.360
history here with Sam Harris, but he recently had an interview where he revealed something very
00:36:39.600
interesting because it turns out Sam Harris has found religion. All this attack on religion. Sam
00:36:45.820
Harris has finally found something that he can identify with full, you know, uh, you know, full
00:36:51.360
throttle. Uh, he's going to, he's going to embrace it 100% despite having been a new atheist, uh,
00:36:56.540
basically, uh, professionally like his whole life. Uh, he has found, uh, what will finally forge him
00:37:02.760
into, uh, a true believer. I see some people are already guessing in chat, uh, what it will be. Uh,
00:37:11.360
A little bit of a personal question, but I mean, you are an atheist and Jewish. Can you tell us how
00:37:17.320
that balance changed or shifted for you after October 7th, if it did shift?
00:37:21.560
Well, I think it would have been true to say, um, before October 7th, that I was, I'm, I'm still an
00:37:29.480
atheist. I'm still a secularist. I'm still, um, I still think that we're paying an intolerable price
00:37:34.560
for, for the religious balkanization of our world. So I'm not, I'm not a fan of, of, of sectarianism in any form.
00:37:41.360
It's great. It's, it's such a great opening here. I'm not a fan of sectarianism of any form. You can
00:37:49.720
hear it, right? You know, it's coming, but, but except in one case it's coming. I'm not a, I don't
00:38:00.560
like this religious balkanization. I don't like this, this sectarianism. I, I, I don't believe any
00:38:07.000
of this. I can't believe, but here it comes. Here we go. Um, and I think before October 7th,
00:38:13.880
you could have said that I was not a Zionist, right? Or I, I was certainly would, would be
00:38:19.220
willing to, to call into question the legitimacy of organizing a state, a, around a, a, a religion
00:38:27.820
or a, or a, a religiously identified ethnicity, right? You know, Judaism in this case.
00:38:34.100
So yeah, I, I would be against ethno-nationalism, but it's, so this is great. Cause a lot of times,
00:38:42.940
you know, people work really hard to avoid describing this as like ethno-nationalism,
00:38:47.940
but it obviously is, it has to be by definition, right? If you make a Jewish state, you're making
00:38:52.920
an ethno-nationalist state that that's what that means. Um, because Judaism is both a religion
00:38:57.840
and an ethnos, uh, which is what Sam is laying out here. It's, you know, it's a religious state,
00:39:02.040
uh, and, and it's a, a, a, a, a, a ethnicity defined by a religion. It's a, so it's ethno-religious
00:39:09.600
identity. And, you know, I would have been against ethno-states before, except now it turns out,
00:39:17.720
even though I'm an atheist who doesn't believe any of this and I believe, and I'm against
00:39:21.700
tribalism and sectarianism and all of this stuff. Now I've discovered perhaps, um, I mean, I think
00:39:30.560
I want to, I released a podcast some years ago titled, you know, you, why don't I criticize Israel
00:39:35.980
question mark? Yeah. And there I gave a, you know, a fairly equivocal and frustrating defense of Israel,
00:39:43.640
but I mean, I was, I was, um, troubled by, you know, as someone who is, who believes that we are
00:39:50.360
paying this intolerable price for, for sectarianism, I was troubled by the, the seeming contradiction in
00:39:56.520
defending the Jewish state. And, and for me, it just nets out to the only real defense is
00:40:02.840
the ambient level of genocidal intolerance that's directed at Jews, right? I mean, just the.
00:40:10.000
So Sam Harris was, you know, the, he had his principles. He's a, he's an atheist. He didn't
00:40:15.860
believe, he didn't identify with any of this Jewish identity, right? He didn't have the religion.
00:40:21.700
He didn't believe in the, you know, in the ethnicity as like a collective because he doesn't
00:40:26.660
believe in collectives, doesn't believe in tribalism, thinks that religion is, is driving
00:40:31.320
these factional wars and they're the ones creating all of this issue and we're just going to get rid
00:40:36.180
of it. Right. And then, then, then everything will be fine. Except what Sam discovers is that
00:40:41.460
his world is never coming around and actually people are going to continue to be religious and
00:40:46.260
they're going to continue to live in tribes. And so Sam's not going to admit that, you know,
00:40:51.800
he's wrong about any of the religious stuff or that his attacks on sectarianism for everyone else
00:40:57.860
are a problem, right? It's that he's, he's, he's not going to acknowledge that there was a,
00:41:02.860
a wider epistemological failure to, to, you know, understand the forces he was trying to
00:41:09.380
navigate. He's not going to acknowledge all that, but because he just noticed that some people are
00:41:15.580
mean to Jewish people. However, now he's going to support this. Now, again, there are, of course,
00:41:24.540
people who say awful things about Jewish people who do have vitriol in their hearts towards that.
00:41:29.460
And I decry all ethnic hatred as a Christian. You should not hate people because of their ethnicity.
00:41:34.860
Um, but, but Sam Harris didn't notice all the other hatred for other ethnicities,
00:41:40.140
which is pretty interesting. We'll get to that in just a second here.
00:41:43.460
And, and yet before October 7th, even there, I was, I felt like I was, I was paying lip service
00:41:50.160
to the legacy of the Holocaust, uh, without really having my, my heart was really not quite in it
00:41:57.580
because I, it was, it still seemed kind of hypothetical to me. I mean, cause in, in my life,
00:42:02.360
anti-Semitism has not seemed like a real variable at all. Uh, and apart from the Islamist version of
00:42:09.340
it, it, it seemed to have been, you know, more or less fully defanged, you know, the world over.
00:42:16.480
So Sam here admits that actually he has experienced little to no anti-Semitism in his life. He's lived
00:42:22.900
in the West, specifically in the United States, I think his entire life. And so here in the United
00:42:28.200
States, anti-Semitism has had no negative impact to him. He hasn't really experienced it. He hasn't
00:42:33.420
got a lot of violence or attacks. He hasn't been driven from employment or anything else. And so he's
00:42:39.200
lived in this, uh, you know, majority Christian nation his entire life and been tolerated and in no way
00:42:46.360
felt any kind of attack. He knew out there somewhere Islam was hating on, you know, uh, uh, on, uh,
00:42:55.200
Judaism, but you know, in, in the United States, he just didn't experience it. And so this isn't an
00:43:00.500
issue. So, you know, you have to ask yourself, did Sam ever ask himself why it wasn't an issue here?
00:43:08.340
Is there something about the character of America? Is there some aspect of America that delivered this?
00:43:14.720
No, he just kind of, he just kind of took it on and, and didn't, didn't see the need to bother
00:43:20.400
with it. Right. It wasn't really an issue. But given October 7th, given the response to it
00:43:26.080
in the West, both on the left and on the right politically, um, but even most, especially on
00:43:33.080
the left, I mean, that was the most surprising. Um, yeah, I'm, I'm really, you know, just kind of
00:43:39.280
an unapologetic Zionist at this point. I mean, just like who, so now Sam, and, and again, I want to
00:43:46.720
make this clear. Sam has already described Zionism as ethno-nationalism. That's what Sam has said it
00:43:53.420
is. Okay. This is not, this is not the, uh, you know, the Gentile saying this, this is what Sam has
00:43:59.940
described Zionism as, that, that is his understanding as he just laid it out of Zionism. He says it is
00:44:08.280
ethno-nationalism. And I am now a proud ethno-nationalist.
00:44:14.820
This is a guy who's called Trump fascist. Oh, we've got to watch out. Fascism is coming.
00:44:20.000
Oh, and yet now Sam has openly declared himself a proud ethno-nationalist. And the really interesting
00:44:26.940
thing about this is again, whether I, I don't think I've missed anything here. Sam has been in America
00:44:33.200
his whole life. He was here for nine 11. He's watched. Yeah. I'm nine 11 when thousands and
00:44:42.220
thousands and thousands of Americans were murdered, right? Did I miss this? Sam Harris was here for
00:44:48.600
this. He wrote entire books in the wake of it about the dangers of religion in general and Islam
00:44:53.400
in particular after nine 11. And yet Sam being an American and living in the United States and
00:45:03.700
watching nine 11 when thousands of thousands of people died did not feel the need to become some
00:45:10.460
kind of strong ethno-nationalist for America, or even just an American nationalist in general.
00:45:16.140
I don't think Sam would in any way describe himself as a nationalist or an American nationalist,
00:45:21.920
right? But having watched people die, and I would like to be clear here, it is a tragedy that people
00:45:30.560
were killed in those terrorist attacks. Every one of those deaths is horrific. Okay. But much fewer
00:45:38.640
people died in the terrorist attacks on October 7th, as opposed to nine 11, just, just magnitude wise
00:45:49.260
is very clear that far more people died in nine 11. Nine 11 was objectively worse as a slaughter
00:45:57.900
of countrymen for Sam Harris. So just by the magnitude of the people killed, nine 11 should have had the
00:46:07.800
greater impact. It's his country. It's his country. In theory, right? It's his country. His countrymen
00:46:17.120
died. Thousands of them. Far more Americans died. And yet he becomes an ethno-nationalist for another
00:46:27.840
nation that is not the one he lives in when fewer people were killed there. Again, I am not trying
00:46:33.840
to say that the terrorist attacks on October 7th were not horrific. They were. And Sam is right to be
00:46:41.280
worried about them. It's right to feel angry about them. But if you are more angry about those attacks
00:46:48.340
than you were about 9 11, which happened in your country, the country you were born and raised in,
00:46:55.220
the one you have lived in your whole life, and the attacks in which way more people were killed.
00:47:01.440
If that did not drive you towards some form of American nationalism,
00:47:05.300
but the attacks across the world, in the Middle East, in a country you do not live in,
00:47:13.000
in a religion you do not believe in, if those attacks turn you into an ethno-nationalist,
00:47:18.720
I have questions. Sorry, I have questions. What is going on here? Okay? What is happening?
00:47:26.240
Why is this new atheist who hates the right, who hates the idea of nationalism, who calls everyone
00:47:33.440
a fascist, why is he suddenly an ethno-nationalist for this state? Again, if it was just a terrorist
00:47:42.320
attack, I get it. Terrorist attack by Muslims against your people? That would make me angry too.
00:47:49.400
It did, on 9 11, when I saw it in my own country. And you can bet it definitely riled up my nationalism.
00:47:57.940
So I understand becoming a nationalist over this, but why didn't you do it for this country?
00:48:04.580
Why are you so opposed to nationalism for this country? Why are you attacking Donald Trump for
00:48:10.200
being a nationalist? Why are you calling the right fascist for wanting to have an American nation
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with an American identity? Why are you so against the identity of Americans, but you are pro
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what you admit to be an ethno-religious identity for a nation state in the Middle East that you don't
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live in? I think there is our fair questions with a guy like Sam Harris, who has had this record
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throughout his whole life. Who can be counted upon to defend the Jews but the Jews? I think that's a
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question for which you have to err on the side of the most cynical and depressing answer, which is
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only the Jews can, at the end of the day, be counted upon to defend themselves. And I think they
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should have the right to do that. And having a Jewish state seems like, certainly at the moment,
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the only rational backstop to that project. A little bit of a personal question.
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And I'd like to be clear here. I agree with Sam. The Jews should have a right to have their own
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nation. And they should have a right to defend that nation. Many people will be angry about the way
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that they have defended that nation. Many people will say they've gone too far in what they see as
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the defense of their nation. I'll let people argue about that fact. I was actually just on Scott
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Horton's podcast recently. You can check that out. He's a guy who makes that case if you want to hear
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that side of the argument. But ultimately, I agree with Sam. They should have a nation and be able to
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defend it. And if you believe the only people who will defend Jews are Jews, then you can go and be
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there and be defended, right? That seems reasonable. But Sam does not believe this about any other
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people. He does not believe this about Americans, even though he lives in the United States, even though
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he has spent his entire life here, even though he's undergone periods where we have had terrorist
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attacks and thousands and thousands of people died from Muslims the same way they did in the attacks on
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October 7th. But he did not feel these feelings then. He still attacks people who have these positions
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in the United States now. He has one standard for Israel and for Jewish people and another standard
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for America and its people, even though he lives in America. And this is insane. And if you want to
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understand why people have an issue with some of these positions, looking at Sam Harris is a pretty
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good example because Sam has literally betrayed everything he believed in and everything he stood
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for. He's an atheist. He's a leftist. He's against nationalism. He's constantly attacking people,
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calling them fascist. He's and you know, he he said he wanted free speech and he betrayed every one of
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these principles, right? He's willing to embrace an ethno-religious identity as long as it's the one he
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belongs in. He's for ethno states as long as it's the one he wants to defend. He's okay with censorship
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as long as it gets rid of the candidate he doesn't like. He's okay with anything as long as it serves
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his identity. Because at the end of the day, Sam Harris may have become an atheist. He may have
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lived in America's entire life. But his identity as he sees it is somehow tied up here. And that's
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crazy. Like if Sam felt the same way about the United States, he would be saying we should have
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American nationalism. America should be able to defend itself. The only people who are going to defend
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America are Americans. And so America should be able to be constituted as a state, as a nation.
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It should have an identity. It's allowed to defend. If Sam felt the same way about the place he lived in,
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he would just say that. Instead, he attacks everybody who even comes close. Anyone who says
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they're a nationalist, Sam hates. Anyone who says they're a nationalist, Sam calls a fascist. But he will
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embrace ethno-nationalism he has explicitly, despite everything else he believes in. He's willing to throw
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away his entire life's work, his entire reputation, everything, to say, yeah, I think Israel should
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be able to operate in this way. And again, he's fine to say that. Ultimately, it's fine for him
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to understand that he thinks Israel should exist in that way. I'm just asking why the double standard?
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Why does the double standard exist? Why does he see this for Israel, but he can't see it for the place
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he lives in? What is going on here? I think that if you continue to behave in this way,
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people are going to continue to ask these questions because it's very mysterious that a guy like this
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is willing to throw every little bit of his reputation and all of his principles that he's
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written books about. And he's done endless hours of podcast interviews and all these things.
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He's appeared on major television shows to defend these positions. He's willing to throw it all in
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the garbage over Trump and over Israel. And that just seems the same to me because also like Trump
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is the biggest Israel booster in the world. Trump loves Israel and Sam hates him because it's all
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friend enemy, right? It's all friend enemy. He knows what side he's supposed to be on. He knows what
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side his identity is supposed to put him on. And so he just goes to it. He doesn't principle means
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nothing to Sam. He will throw it all the way in a second. If he thinks if his instincts tell him
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he's supposed to be on a specific side with certain friends and that's it. That's all there is
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to it. There's nothing else behind it. All right, guys, let's head to the question of the day real
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or sorry, we've got looks like at least a super chat over here. So let's take a look at the questions
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of the people. And let me get rid of this video so you can actually read it. Tiny Stupid Demon says
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this reminds me why nobody actually likes clowns and they are mostly fodder for horror movies, right?
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Yeah, at this point, famously, you see more clowns in horror movies than you see in children's
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movies because nobody likes them. And yet here we have a clown. You know, I bring all this
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joy to the children and it's a sacred profession. And don't besmirch my name by comparing me to
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Donald Trump because I practice the clown. And that is the sacred art that should not be
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besmirched by the the presence of this fascist Donald Trump. All right, guys, we're going to go
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ahead and wrap this up. Like I said, just taking it nice and easy on Friday. Hopefully finally over
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this being sick by next week and just just needed to take a break from all the seriousness. So glad
00:54:40.080
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