The Auron MacIntyre Show - Trump Battles in 3-v-1 Debate ｜ Guest： Nate Hochman ｜ 9⧸11⧸24

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00:00:37.540 So a presidential debate in which we have a 3v1 battle.

00:00:41.580 Cats and dogs may or may not be getting eaten.

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00:00:58.180 Nate Hockman, thanks for joining me, man.

00:01:01.520 Hey man, thanks for having me.

00:01:03.540 Absolutely.

00:01:04.660 So, I guess we should just get into this right off the top.

00:01:11.320 A lot of people screaming, yelling.

00:01:13.320 I can't believe that the level of intervention that the moderators were involved in.

00:01:18.680 It turned into a 3v1.

00:01:20.260 How could this have happened?

00:01:22.120 I feel like maybe they've never seen a presidential debate with Donald Trump in it before.

00:01:26.180 I think for a moment, everyone was lulled into a certain amount of, you know, they thought maybe they might get something fair because they watched the Biden-Trump debate.

00:01:36.780 And it's very clear at this point that the press was totally setting Biden up.

00:01:40.540 You know what a debate with Biden could have looked like.

00:01:44.420 It could have looked like all the moderators jumping in constantly every time Biden started stammering or every time he got stuck on a question to cover for him and fact check and all this stuff.

00:01:54.800 But in reality, they were just hanging this guy out to dry.

00:01:57.580 And now we saw what an actual debate with the mainstream media looks like again, right?

00:02:02.800 Right.

00:02:03.280 I mean, I think the mainstream media has probably gotten more hysterical over the course of the last few years, even though their guys were in power just because they've worked themselves up into a lather over the prospect of Donald Trump ever being in power again.

00:02:16.080 Maybe, maybe than they were during the Trump era.

00:02:18.580 I did feel the same kind of thing that a lot of people felt, even though I know it's naive, where it was momentarily shocking after like one debate where there was at least a modicum of fairness to see, you know, the media doing exactly what the media has done for for decades, which is effectively wage a three on one war on Trump.

00:02:38.100 And, you know, fact check him for objectively true things, claims he made like that, you know, there's abortion up through nine months that's legal in eight states, et cetera.

00:02:46.700 Yeah. But it is true. I can't remember if this is you who is saying this or or somebody else on on X like the the moderators were pretty fair for the Biden debate.

00:02:57.620 And people talk a lot about how in that kind of interim period where they're trying to push Biden out for once, the Biden White House was very briefly subjected to something akin to what it's like to be in the Trump White House in terms of the media treatment.

00:03:12.100 And they were clearly totally bewildered for that kind of three week period about the fact that they were getting all of this scrutiny.

00:03:18.080 But at the same time, the media actually went softer on Trump for that period of time, too.

00:03:23.200 Like that's the inverse is they weren't just super critical of Biden.

00:03:27.020 There was this like peace very briefly with Trump where, you know, the the conference happened, the RNC and, you know, the assassination attempt.

00:03:34.880 Yeah, he had been shot. That's right.

00:03:36.880 I mean, you have to take it easy for a whole week or two. Yeah.

00:03:39.800 Although I wouldn't necessarily put it past the media, like if that had happened in this environment to just, you know, do what they do and be totally egregious.

00:03:47.360 But there was I remember we did a thread on this, like the headlines from the RNC from the media were like Trump makes majestic, fitting entrance, like dramatic.

00:03:56.800 Like there are all the headlines about like a softer Trump. Maybe he's changed, et cetera.

00:04:01.380 So they were going easier on Trump as well as going harder on Biden.

00:04:04.560 And of course, that's over now. Right. It's over with vengeance. And we saw that last night.

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00:05:42.380 So, like I said, I think the story of the debate really, of course, was this intervention.

00:05:47.160 It was going to be there.

00:05:48.340 I think anyone who remembers, again, the way that the media handles these debates knows that ultimately the fact checkers are going to be involved in arguing on the Democrat side.

00:05:59.520 Though I have to say, this did feel more egregious than it has been previously, and it was already egregious enough.

00:06:06.000 At one point, it felt like the ABC moderators were the ones actually having the debate.

00:06:10.700 And every once in a while, Kamala Harris would chime in with something.

00:06:14.760 But for you, what were some of the biggest moments, the highlights from this debate?

00:06:21.500 Yeah.

00:06:22.540 It felt – I understand that people disagree with me on this.

00:06:26.000 Like if you logged into X and, you know, talked to people on our side of the aisle, people had mixed opinions on how Trump did.

00:06:32.640 Some people thought that he did a sort of middling performance.

00:06:35.720 Some people thought that Kamala, for the most part, exceeded expectations.

00:06:38.400 My initial impression watching the debate was it was the funniest and most charismatic public performance I've seen from Trump in at least six months.

00:06:47.880 And you had all of these kind of sparks of the 2016 Trump, right?

00:06:51.180 So you had obviously the they're killing our dogs, you know, line in Springfield.

00:06:56.100 And that absolutely hilarious, extremely like 2015-2016 Trump interchange with the moderators where they're like,

00:07:02.280 sir, there's no public – there's no official reporting.

00:07:05.620 And he's like, well, the people are saying at the town hall meeting they're killing my dogs.

00:07:09.040 So there's that.

00:07:09.700 There was the I'm speaking thing with Kamala where he's like, remember that?

00:07:15.260 Which was actually sort of brilliant because you just know that she had like huddled with her consultants for months beforehand

00:07:23.120 and had planned out I'm speaking redux, you know, because everyone on kind of the lib left would have just lost their minds if we had gotten another I'm speaking moment.

00:07:31.940 And he totally stole that from her and neutered it by doing that callback.

00:07:36.480 And there were a bunch of other moments too.

00:07:38.100 I actually thought his answer on abortion was about the best possible answer you could hope for from any Republican.

00:07:44.460 He had these lines.

00:07:45.360 Like he said, you know, this is an issue that's been tearing our country apart for 50 years, and I finally gave it back to the people.

00:07:52.400 That's what Republicans should be saying on abortion when they're asked about it.

00:07:56.000 You know, I probably won't get credit for it from the pro-life establishment, but I think he should.

00:08:01.780 Absolutely.

00:08:02.320 I also think the run, spot, run, like she doesn't have any policies. 1.00

00:08:05.580 It's just one paragraph, run, spot, run.

00:08:08.980 That was my personal favorite.

00:08:10.520 That's the one that had me laughing out loud.

00:08:12.320 Yeah, there was – so I will say this.

00:08:14.480 It felt like Trump started in very much the same mode he started in the Biden debate.

00:08:20.140 You know, kind of mostly calm, collected, you know, focused, had this down.

00:08:24.440 And then Kamala Harris did the – you know, your rallies. 1.00

00:08:28.920 People are leaving your rallies early.

00:08:30.960 And someone told her that that would get the hackles up, and they did.

00:08:33.980 It did.

00:08:34.780 And it threw Trump for a loop for a second.

00:08:37.220 It felt like he kind of – but then, for better or for worse, however you feel about that, we got full Trump.

00:08:43.400 Like, from there, it was – you know, Trump shifted into the next gear.

00:08:46.860 He left the careful, you know, Biden debate Trump behind, and he shifted into full gear.

00:08:54.680 And so we got some of the best, you know, outbursts, but also some of the more erratic ones as well.

00:09:00.240 I think you're right that he did give an excellent answer when it came to Roe v. Wade, very measured – again, like you said, he's not going to get any credit from this from kind of the most hard line of pro-life organizations.

00:09:13.120 But ultimately, I think that's the best you can navigate that issue.

00:09:17.120 And to be fair, also in line with what every Republican and every pro-life organization had said up until about a year ago.

00:09:25.220 So, you know, not exactly off the reservation.

00:09:28.080 I think the fact that he was repeatedly interrupted to fact-check things that in many cases were actually true, you know, was very important.

00:09:39.700 Like you said, the – you know, they're eating our cats and dogs.

00:09:42.360 Okay, not exactly the cats and dogs, but animals for sure.

00:09:45.960 We know – you know, and the fact that the media immediately called those lies means a lot more people are going to go looking for that information, right?

00:09:52.480 And that's, you know, that's what I was saying on Twitter is that, you know, this is going to backfire.

00:09:56.400 That fact-check is going to backfire on these people.

00:09:58.540 There's too much information.

00:10:00.220 Yeah, the city manager is saying one thing.

00:10:02.540 Okay, but I've got, you know, a bunch of conservative reporters are descending on that town right now, and they all have footage of, you know, what's going on there.

00:10:12.400 They all have interviews.

00:10:13.600 They all have police calls, you know, people speaking at the public meetings.

00:10:18.000 There's just too much there.

00:10:19.560 The media is not going to be able to wash that out entirely.

00:10:22.480 And also just the number of things that Harris lied about repeatedly.

00:10:26.900 You know, there's one two-minute clip where she basically lied – you know, she threw out the, you know, the fine people on both sides hoax, the bloodbath hoax, the terminating of the Constitution hoax.

00:10:40.240 She lied about her fracking record.

00:10:41.720 She lied about her gun control record.

00:10:43.760 She, of course, lied about her border record.

00:10:45.780 You have to lie about that.

00:10:46.920 You know, she lied about her health care record. 1.00

00:10:48.660 And at no point, you know, I think there was – you know, CNN did some kind of graphic where one lie – you know, Harris was caught in one lie.

00:10:56.520 Yeah, I saw that.

00:10:57.040 And Trump was caught in, like, 33.

00:10:58.460 It's just so cartoonishly bad that even though Trump was fighting 3v1 and even though in the moment, you know, it does feel overwhelming because he's trying to – you know, in some moments he's blustering.

00:11:09.260 In some moments he's pushing past that stuff.

00:11:11.540 It did seem to resonate with voters that he was making progress because, you know, much to the media's shock, you know, a post-debate CNN poll found the majority of undecideds heading towards Trump after the debate.

00:11:25.660 It's – a Reuters, you know, pop-up poll did this.

00:11:29.040 Of course, all these are – you know, there's no rigor to these polls.

00:11:32.400 They're just happening right after a debate.

00:11:33.740 But even the information that the media was putting out was as low as the bar was for Kamala Harris, she didn't really move the needle at all. 1.00

00:11:42.780 Right.

00:11:43.360 And so the big win that Kamala was hoping for obviously didn't materialize.

00:11:48.460 I think maybe you could say the big win, like the kind of knockout punch that the Trump campaign was hoping for probably didn't materialize either.

00:11:55.460 But I'm also kind of skeptical of, like, how much these debates matter.

00:11:58.480 I mean, the truth is that especially in America in 2024, essentially a 50-50 country, maybe 50.1, 49.9 country, you know, the pool of undecided voters at this stage in the game is vanishingly small.

00:12:17.060 And of that pool, there's this kind of fetishization of, like, undecided voters, late-breaking undecided voters, independent voters, et cetera, as if they're these enlightened centrists who are highly educated and rational and considering all of the facts and digging, you know, combing through each candidate's policy platform to see which one aligns with their ideological priors.

00:12:37.780 It's, like, not really what undecided voters at this point are.

00:12:41.140 Generally, they're low-information, low-propensity voters who make a gut call a few weeks before the election.

00:12:47.360 The idea that those people are kind of stroking their chin and watching the debate and watching the candidates debate their tax plans or Trump's tariff plans and whether or not that's a tax on consumers and making up their mind that way, I'm skeptical.

00:13:00.240 So the meta of all this is this debate, I think, is mostly catnip for political addicts.

00:13:08.080 I do think where it matters is in every debate there's kind of a handful of viral moments.

00:13:14.580 And those viral moments which circulate on social media and then the broader narrative that they generate do find a way to penetrate kind of deeper into the popular political conscience.

00:13:24.400 And in that sense, like, I think Trump obviously had more viral moments that were to his benefit than Kamala.

00:13:30.460 What was Kamala's viral moment?

00:13:32.140 I mean, maybe she had one, but I think for the most part, like, it was all Trump.

00:13:38.340 Yeah, it really is true that it's more about driving out your existing voters than convincing the last few, all three people who don't know if they prefer Donald Trump to Kamala Harris.

00:13:48.640 And like you said, the ones that don't know already are not people who are absorbing every policy issue and just can't quite make the choice.

00:13:57.400 It's people who barely care.

00:13:59.420 And that is, you know, for better or for worse, where America is going when it comes to any form of democracy.

00:14:06.020 You have a two hour debate.

00:14:08.440 Most people are not staying up till 11 o'clock to watch this thing.

00:14:12.860 They're going to catch the highlights.

00:14:14.380 They're going to catch the social media clips like you're talking about.

00:14:16.680 This is the TikTok generation.

00:14:18.220 You know, these are people who expect at most news to be delivered to them in 30 second to two minute soundbites.

00:14:24.180 So they're not sifting through the policy papers and the minutiae on trade policy to figure out what's going to be more advantageous to them.

00:14:31.480 You know, when people talk about the vibes election or whatever.

00:14:35.920 Yeah, that's real.

00:14:36.600 Like, that's actually far more real.

00:14:38.520 And so those memeable moments, those clips, like you're saying, really are the ones that matter.

00:14:43.600 Kamala Harris, it didn't feel like she had those moments.

00:14:45.740 Trump broke through, maybe in some cases too much, maybe too exuberantly.

00:14:49.960 Maybe he got off track.

00:14:50.960 I think he could have made better points.

00:14:52.260 You know, when Kamala Harris says, oh, this guy led a riot, you know, incited a violent mob into the past.

00:14:59.400 No, you literally paid to bail people out who are rioting in the streets, burning down buildings, killing people.

00:15:06.120 You are personally responsible for freeing criminals who are burning down cities.

00:15:12.460 That seems like a pretty easy volley, you know, but it's Trump.

00:15:15.740 So he just kind of spins out in all directions.

00:15:18.460 And sometimes it's masterful and it catches the attention.

00:15:22.000 And like I said, I think like, you know, the stuff about, you know, the pets in Springfield, that kind of stuff.

00:15:26.020 That's going to stick around.

00:15:27.060 You know, I think him, you know, doing, doing some of the, having some of those moments really will travel.

00:15:33.720 So I do agree that ultimately the clips and the, that is what's going to drive things from, from the debate going forward.

00:15:41.520 Interestingly, I don't think that we're the only ones who read the room that way.

00:15:45.700 Because again, like you said, the bar is very low for Kamala. 0.91

00:15:48.840 This is her big coming out party, right?

00:15:50.420 Like this is the first debate on her own.

00:15:53.220 She's had one interview, you know, with her vice presidential candidate.

00:15:58.480 So this is the first time she's ever been in any kind of exposed environment.

00:16:02.060 So the bar is supposed to be very low, but she just makes no showing. 1.00

00:16:05.500 She makes no impact.

00:16:06.660 I think the thing I remember most about Kamala Harrison, that debate is her trying to stand off to the side and do the weird little thing with her hand and the face, you know, 1.00

00:16:14.260 some terrible theater kid, you know, pose that she's trying to mock Trump while looking on the other side. 0.99

00:16:20.020 It's almost as bad as Biden kind of drooling slack jawed on the, on the side by side.

00:16:25.880 You know, Trump is, Trump is always kind of, you know, a cartoon, but in the sense that he's like, looks very serious while he's, you know, he, he, he doesn't have that dismissive look anymore when he's doing these debates.

00:16:37.080 He always looks very focused.

00:16:38.760 He looks like he's in the mugshot all the time, which I think is actually pretty good for Trump.

00:16:42.480 As where Harris is sitting here, you know, just trying to do this little impish, you know, a theater kid frame.

00:16:47.620 And it just looks terrible.

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00:17:04.300 No, that's so true about Kamala is something that I noticed about her that was particularly potent in the debate, but is characteristic of the way she talks and speaks and moves in all of her public appearances. 0.99

00:17:21.120 Is she has clearly internalized like her series of girl boss viral moments, right?

00:17:28.280 The ones that I'm speaking, you know, the, the variety of other dunks that go viral on like lib resistance Twitter and has structured her entire public presence and personality around trying to recreate those. 0.99

00:17:40.880 So you could see that in the debate last night.

00:17:43.580 And I think she totally failed.

00:17:44.980 I will say, I don't think this is just my kind of partisan blinders.

00:17:49.020 She looked super nervous last night.

00:17:52.440 She was like gulping a lot.

00:17:54.820 She wasn't sweating, but she was clearly unsure of herself.

00:17:57.980 There was this kind of veneer of lack of confidence behind her facial expressions.

00:18:01.780 And she, you could watch her if you just watch her during some of the most kind of viral moments, she's like trying to scrunch up her face to make the correct facial expression, but it's kind of not totally sure exactly what expression to make or exactly what sort of body language to demonstrate. 0.77

00:18:20.380 I forget which one it was.

00:18:22.140 I think it might've been the, um, the, the cats and dogs Springfield line where she's like alternating manically between half laughing and half looking outrage. 0.65

00:18:32.220 Cause she's not sure which one she's supposed to do. 0.92

00:18:34.660 And it just looks absurd and ridiculous. 0.90

00:18:35.180 Yeah, you can see the emotions just running through her face. 0.96

00:18:37.320 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:38.280 Yeah.

00:18:38.480 And that, and, and that was like, there's clearly this sort of very conscious, very forced, um, awkward attempt to project something that is obviously disingenuous on her part.

00:18:48.680 I mean, everyone watching your show knows she's disingenuous, but it was much more viscerally obvious.

00:18:53.740 If you watched her facial expressions last night, then I think it usually is.

00:18:58.000 I don't know how many people are actually watching that closely, or at least how many people whose votes matter are watching that closely, but it was, it was evident to anyone who was watching closely at all.

00:19:08.340 Well, I think you're right about those practice moments.

00:19:10.360 It was very clear where she had sat down with her team.

00:19:13.600 Okay.

00:19:13.840 This is the emotional moment.

00:19:15.240 This is where you, you, you spike the ball.

00:19:17.400 This is where you strike the pose.

00:19:19.120 This is where you look vulnerable.

00:19:20.800 This is where, you know, and so you could see her in, in some moments, even rushing too quickly, uh, into the, into those to, it feels very awkward.

00:19:28.420 I will say probably her, her most, uh, cogent moment was on abortion.

00:19:33.480 I think that, you know, that's not for you or me, but it is connecting with her audience.

00:19:37.400 I think that she did.

00:19:39.040 She knew that was one of her moments.

00:19:40.440 She leaned into it heavily.

00:19:41.760 Uh, she, she probably landed that very well. 0.94

00:19:44.480 Another one, again, I don't know that this one was a little more awkward, but when it came to the J six stuff, she definitely had the impassioned, like this is our sacred halls and people died, even though she's lying through teeth through so much of that. 0.52

00:19:56.480 She also had the assistance of, you know, the, the, the moderator stepping in and just filling in her cadence every time it wavered.

00:20:04.080 And so there, I think there are a couple of moments there where if you are looking for victories for Kamala Harris, you can find them.

00:20:10.060 And that's, I'm sure what's happening on MSNBC night, I saw this, the morning, Joe, you know, clips are already spinning out.

00:20:16.280 She was a, it was a masterclass.

00:20:18.380 She kept baiting Donald Trump.

00:20:19.840 He took it all the time.

00:20:20.880 She had him on the ropes and, you know, just, she, she unveiled herself as this just rigorous debater, completely leveling the opposite.

00:20:27.860 You know, so they have their story.

00:20:29.500 They, you know, they, they, they are vindicated in, you know, whatever 30% of the country is sitting around and wearing their, you know, coexist t-shirts while, while, while listening to that.

00:20:39.740 But I do think that, you know, to be fair, there, there were a few moments where she did land that because she, she did, you could feel those practice moments, but also moments where that just felt disingenuous.

00:20:50.320 And like, she was trying to rush into or awkwardly place herself into these hero moments that just weren't happening for her.

00:20:57.240 Yeah, no, Kamala obviously had her moments. 1.00

00:21:00.460 I think abortion was the most obvious one. 0.98

00:21:02.200 It was one of those examples to your point, like that she had clearly rehearsed and for good reason.

00:21:07.940 Cause that's like the, the only issue Dems have right now.

00:21:10.580 Um, but for the most part, she pulled it off, right?

00:21:12.820 She sounded empathetic to somebody who might not really know that much about her.

00:21:17.520 Um, she had this kind of storytelling cadence, et cetera.

00:21:20.500 It worked for her for the most part, I would say the strongest moments for Kamala were largely self, self-inflicted wounds on Trump's behalf, rather than any kind of skill on her part.

00:21:30.880 But I will say what is notable about her performance is it's easy to forget after three or four years of, at least on the kind of right-wing internet sphere, the only Kamala we see is, is the gaffes, right? 0.64

00:21:44.060 And in her public appearances, she's awkward and cringy and gaff prone, et cetera. 1.00

00:21:48.200 But one thing I was a little nervous about going into the debate was she actually can be a pretty good debater.

00:21:53.980 If you watch the 2020 democratic primary debates, I mean, it's, it's easy for us to sort of make fun of it and mock it because we know who Kamala Harris is, but she was quite good at periods of time in the, in the primary debates.

00:22:05.720 Like when she was going after Biden, like she had this rhythm and this cadence that, that totally worked.

00:22:12.720 And she eviscerated Biden multiple times. 0.99

00:22:14.580 She eviscerated other people multiple times. 0.99

00:22:16.180 So the best Kamala Harris public appearances I've ever seen were on the debate stage in 2020. 0.99

00:22:21.660 And that was largely absent this time.

00:22:24.440 I don't know exactly why.

00:22:25.620 I don't know if she was just nervous, if the pressure got to her, but the kind of stuff you saw from her on the 2020 debate stage, you only saw for brief seconds, maybe during the abortion question.

00:22:35.420 And maybe, uh, uh, last night.

00:22:38.020 Um, so for the most part, my concerns about what was going to happen were alleviated in that sense.

00:22:42.660 Yeah.

00:22:43.700 I think people forget, but the last few years of Kamala Harris, when all the gaffes are coming and everything, uh, we're watching, how do we say this carefully, uh, deep into her cups, Kamala, you know, two to three edibles deep Kamala. 0.52

00:22:57.400 Uh, when we're, when we're seeing her in a lot of those clips, you know, over the last few years, she got the vice presidency.

00:23:03.120 It became clear that she wasn't very good at it.

00:23:05.160 They kind of shoved her into the kid's table and she may or may not have medicated herself for most of her public appearances, uh, for the last few years.

00:23:13.020 So this is probably the first time we've seen Kamala sober in the, I mean, if we're doing speculation, I mean, I don't know anything for sure, but you know, something tells me that that's the case.

00:23:24.000 Either way, uh, like you said, she didn't, she wasn't completely back into the rhythm.

00:23:27.640 She wasn't completely back into the saddle.

00:23:28.980 Well, she did land a few of those. 0.98

00:23:30.640 And of course, you know, have having both moderators on her side the entire time, uh, makes it a lot easier to land those blows. 0.90

00:23:36.840 Uh, but, but it was a little awkward and stilted across, uh, across the board.

00:23:41.360 Uh, we're going to get into Taylor Swift.

00:23:44.080 Sorry guys.

00:23:44.980 Uh, and, and the AP, uh, laying the narrative, uh, groundwork for the next election fortification, along with more information with what's going on in Springfield, Ohio.

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00:25:21.280 So right after this, after the kind of the pop polls started coming in and it was clear that perhaps Kamala had not secured the victory that the Democrats had hoped in her appearance,

00:25:34.360 we started to get the news that Taylor Swift had announced her support for Kamala Harris.

00:25:41.440 Obviously, a lot of people had been speculating that this was coming down, you know, the line for a while.

00:25:47.700 It was very obviously, you know, staged come out after this, though.

00:25:51.280 I'm sure as soon as the results weren't what they hoped, they realized they needed to push that to the forefront.

00:25:56.840 Obviously, this is someone who has a lot of clout in a younger generation.

00:26:02.660 Well, not even necessarily younger generation.

00:26:04.760 Actually, I'd say she's very popular with a lot of millennial women, of course, which would would be prime voting for certain, you know, in certain situations. 1.00

00:26:14.060 Do you think that this has a significant pull, a significant change?

00:26:18.020 I feel like most of the women who are going to value this determination had already made their decision.

00:26:24.760 But do you think that makes any big difference?

00:26:26.880 Yeah, I don't know if it changes minds.

00:26:28.780 But to your point about like this election is mostly just a turnout game.

00:26:32.000 It could it could affect turnout amongst young people who are obviously notorious for not turning out to vote.

00:26:37.420 In general, this election is in many ways a referendum on the sustained power of these very obvious ops.

00:26:47.740 Right. Like it's a referendum on how powerful the media is.

00:26:50.780 It's a referendum on how powerful these kind of like flown in celebrity endorsements are.

00:26:56.300 And, you know, I love Americans.

00:26:58.840 I am an American.

00:26:59.820 I was born here. 0.95

00:27:00.900 I'm going to die here.

00:27:01.920 I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

00:27:02.900 But my opinion of the kind of discernment of the average American voter is about as low as it's ever been in my my short adult life.

00:27:13.440 I think like people do fall for this stuff and conservatives, a lot of conservatives don't really want to reckon with this.

00:27:19.200 Right. Because it's much easier to kind of scoff at the Taylor Swift endorsement and go, who's you know, who's making their decisions based on a Taylor Swift endorsement?

00:27:25.900 Some people probably are, you know, like some young girls, especially probably are making their decision.

00:27:31.620 Maybe I don't think they would have voted for Trump anyways, but they might show up to vote because they love Taylor Swift and she's behind Kamala.

00:27:38.000 So they are as well.

00:27:39.280 You know, like the celebrity power stuff works, especially with young people in the tick tock generation who love Taylor Swift.

00:27:47.200 So, you know, I don't think it's like a huge world historic seismic win for the Harris campaign.

00:27:52.540 And nobody thought Taylor Swift was going to endorse Trump.

00:27:55.800 But I do I do think that stuff like conservatives have to take it seriously because for better, for worse, like that's the electorate we're working with.

00:28:03.340 Yeah, there there is a situation where you want to dismiss that.

00:28:07.140 You want to pretend that people are more serious.

00:28:08.720 But again, anyone paying attention to American democracy should know that.

00:28:13.400 Well, I mean, we have Donald Trump and Kamala Harris on the stage in the first place.

00:28:16.740 So how serious can we really be?

00:28:18.620 And, you know, Taylor Swift is somebody who regularly brings tens of millions of people into stadiums night after night.

00:28:27.260 She's got a level of influence that that is real.

00:28:30.820 So it's true that that's going to have some impact there.

00:28:35.120 The other thing that came out right after this debate, which I thought was hilarious.

00:28:40.340 Personally, AP started floating a story saying that all of these voter integrity groups were coming out to say that the mail-in votes were just unreliable.

00:28:50.340 They're very worried about the USPS and its ability to reliably deliver ballots because, well, that's not what it's supposed to do.

00:28:58.240 That's not how voting is designed to work.

00:29:00.520 But in just one election cycle, we've already made this the standard by which we need to measure any election cycle.

00:29:07.840 And they're saying, oh, well, ballots are coming in, you know, weeks after they're supposed to be counted.

00:29:12.400 So, you know, this is going to lay the groundwork for a lot of these, you know, different precincts and different localities to extend their voting counts, to push back the dates.

00:29:24.480 We're going to go from having an election in a week or in a day to having an election in a week to have an election a month to where it might be two, three months before we actually know when we can count all the ballots that may or may not have come in through the mail.

00:29:37.180 Yeah. You know, it seems like it's weird. It's our elections take longer and longer to count every single year.

00:29:43.340 It's you know, we had election day, election week. It's going to get to the point where, like, you start counting ballots a year before the presidential election, which is weird because there are first world countries that still managed to do their elections in one day.

00:29:56.120 And we used to be able to do that. I don't fully understand what's changed.

00:29:59.940 But like, you know, the problem is, and this is the concern everyone's talking about for understandable reasons, the kind of political horse race stuff.

00:30:09.020 How did Trump answer this question? How did Kamala answer this question? You know, what is this constituency thinking? What are the polls showing, et cetera, to a certain extent, especially in election where it's not a persuasion game anymore.

00:30:19.840 It's a turnout game. Like it's just an electioneering machine competition, especially in these states that are the obvious swing states where they haven't passed election integrity laws.

00:30:29.780 They haven't banned ballot harvesting. They haven't banned these kind of fifth estate, NGO, industrial complex organizations that were responsible for rigging the election in 2020.

00:30:40.860 You hear stuff about the RNC having done some to, you know, higher poll poll watchers or whatever. I don't think it's going to be enough. There's obviously going to be shenanigans.

00:30:50.700 They did it in 2020 and there's no reason that they wouldn't try to do it again. Actually, there's probably a bunch of reasons that they would try harder to do it this time.

00:30:58.760 So, you know, I think November 2024 is going to be crazy for a bunch of different reasons and there is going to be some kind of fallout. I hope it doesn't destroy the country forever, but there are going to be probably videos like we saw in 2020 and conflicts over them.

00:31:15.940 And it is not clear to me the Republican Party is actually prepared to deal with that because the Republican voter base on this issue in particular, like 2020 took everyone by surprise.

00:31:27.540 If they see this happening again, it's anyone's guess what's going to happen. But there's a lot of Republican voters who are just not going to stand, I think, for this happening again.

00:31:36.140 A lot of them probably will be complacent, but there's going to be people if that stuff starts happening again, who's going to start who are going to show up to these poll places and try to, you know, take matters into their own hands.

00:31:46.240 And that's that's not going to be a good deal for anyone, I think.

00:31:50.640 Well, you have this scenario where it was very clear the Republican Party was not properly prepared for 2020 and the legal challenges that would follow it.

00:31:59.880 But the people who did engage in the legal challenges went to jail like a lot of these people face charges or, you know, all of this stuff.

00:32:08.640 And so the question is, if your elections are now a battle between lawyers, it's not actually about counting the votes.

00:32:16.500 It's about questioning how the votes were counted and whoever can get the most lawyers on the ground and get enough challenges filed in court.

00:32:23.980 And this is what matters, because that's clearly where we're going.

00:32:27.320 It's all the everything is getting shifted into the procedural outcome because the nobody can trust the actual voting process.

00:32:35.240 And if you have a scenario where one side is willing to decimate the legal bench of the other, you've basically wiped out all the ability to actually play this game.

00:32:45.300 You have anyone who is interested in protecting the rights of Republican voters is going to go to jail.

00:32:53.620 If that threat is already hanging out there over the head of anyone who might involve themselves in this kind of litigation, then you're really robbing the Republicans of resources that are critical.

00:33:03.900 And we see this again.

00:33:05.080 This is the same thing that has happened when it comes to the bureaucracy.

00:33:07.800 You can't staff up a Trump bureaucracy because you don't have access to the same people and most of the people who are trained up in the bureaucracy are already left wing.

00:33:17.060 But even the few that are on your side end up, you know, defending themselves against Russian collusion allegations and all this stuff.

00:33:24.360 Increasingly, it's just illegal to be part of the opposition in any meaningful sense.

00:33:29.200 And so, yeah, I guess the election happens, but in the Saddam Hussein sense, right?

00:33:34.160 Mm hmm. Yeah. Well, and the other thing, all of that is obviously true.

00:33:38.400 It also matters that the Democrats are in control of the federal government this time.

00:33:42.180 I mean, during the Trump administration, you could argue the Democrats were still in control of the federal government in most meaningful senses.

00:33:48.040 But there was a substantive difference in terms of who was at the head of these agencies.

00:33:53.620 And when you have the same process that happened in 2020 in terms of the electioneering playing out again, but this time it's Biden and Kamala Harris in charge of the executive branch.

00:34:05.360 You know, we did a thread on this, America 2100, the org I helped run.

00:34:08.820 We did a thread on this a couple of days ago.

00:34:10.920 The Biden-Harris administration is they signed an executive order in 2021 to turn every single federal agency into a voter registration and voter participation agency.

00:34:21.720 So every single federal agency is, you know, the Obama administration was asked to do this in 2008.

00:34:29.160 And the officials in the Obama administration said that would be improper.

00:34:32.740 It would get in the way of our federal agencies actually doing their job.

00:34:35.920 No such qualms this time for the Biden administration.

00:34:38.940 So we were specifically talking about the VA, the Department of Veterans Affairs, because they have this insane $15 billion budget shortfall, largest budget shortfall ever.

00:34:47.720 They have no money through serial mismanagement and incompetence.

00:34:52.060 And starting in October, if something isn't done in the next like 48 hours, veterans are going to stop getting their benefits, which many military families depend on.

00:34:59.940 So you're just you've got your our veterans.

00:35:01.660 They're out the checks.

00:35:03.160 You know, they're out of luck.

00:35:04.940 But one thing they have been spending a ton of resources on is voter registration and voter participation.

00:35:10.280 And you go, OK, well, you know, they're registering veterans to vote.

00:35:13.140 Isn't that a good thing?

00:35:13.800 We want our veterans to participate in the democratic process.

00:35:16.120 They're only registering them to vote in one state, which is the state of Michigan.

00:35:20.640 And they're only registering them to vote in the swing districts in the state of Michigan.

00:35:25.560 Now, why would that be right?

00:35:27.280 The VA is supposed to be about helping veterans.

00:35:30.420 You know, maybe you could argue if you squint that voter registration is something that they should do to help veterans get involved.

00:35:37.160 But, you know, Michigan has the fourth highest rate of voter participation in the country.

00:35:41.320 Surely that's not the place where you would be focusing if you want to sort of affect voter participation turnout.

00:35:48.440 But but that's where all their resources are going.

00:35:50.920 It's the same with a lot of other agencies.

00:35:52.260 They're only focusing their voter registration efforts in the swing districts of the swing states, which, you know, it doesn't take a political scientist to figure out what they're doing here.

00:36:01.500 So that is the backdrop for all this stuff, right?

00:36:04.440 Like not only do you have all the NGOs and the nonprofits and the local Democratic Party machines doing the same thing that they did in 2020 and probably 2022.

00:36:13.180 You have the federal government, the full weight of the federal government with the active approval of the people at the very top of the executive branch now throwing their weight behind this effort, too.

00:36:22.540 And the last thing is like the VA and all these other agencies, they've been directed by this executive order to partner with approved non-governmental organizations to do voter participation activities.

00:36:33.440 Who are those approved organizations?

00:36:35.100 We don't know.

00:36:35.640 They don't disclose.

00:36:36.720 We've tried to FOIA them.

00:36:38.040 We've tried to get them to tell us who these organizations are.

00:36:41.520 They're not forthcoming.

00:36:42.680 They're completely refusing to tell us.

00:36:44.700 And of course, when you say approved, who approves them?

00:36:46.460 It's the Biden administration.

00:36:47.380 So all of the organizations, I would bet my entire bank account that were involved in rigging it in 2020 are now actively working hand in glove with the federal agencies, not just the ones that should be formally dealing with voter issues, but all of the federal agencies in places like Michigan, in the swing districts that matter.

00:37:07.260 Like that is an environment that is in some ways much more daunting than the one we face in 2020.

00:37:13.120 You know, I had so many friends, guys who are very intelligent that I really respect, say after the 2020 election, well, yeah, but they can only do that once, right?

00:37:24.900 Like you can only expend that much energy.

00:37:27.220 You can only have that much fervor.

00:37:29.420 You can only bend the rules that hard without breaking the machine that one time.

00:37:34.180 And man, like, you know, I told them they were wrong then, but it just seems incredibly naive now.

00:37:40.360 It's very clear, as you say, that the entire federal government has basically been turned into an arm of the Democratic Party in a very real sense.

00:37:50.080 And so when people just say, well, you know, we're going to vote harder, you know, you got to well, those people voted for this kind of thing.

00:37:56.500 I'm like, are you serious?

00:37:57.780 Do you not understand what's happening here?

00:37:59.520 Do you not understand the layers and layers and upon layers of the system that have been organized against you?

00:38:05.960 And the answer is no, they don't like they're they're still under the impression like, yeah, maybe there's a couple of biased people pulling the levers at the top.

00:38:12.800 But the vast majority of this machine is, you know, more or less running objectively and doing the job that it's supposed to do.

00:38:18.460 It's like, no, literally every organization that you think you are funding with your tax dollars to take care of something inside the United States that matters is actually doing something on behalf of the Democratic Party.

00:38:31.500 It's political power and the federal government extracts a lot of money and employs a lot of people.

00:38:37.280 So the entire weight of that machine, whatever you think the fundraising difference is between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, you need to, you know, multiply that by 50 times because actually it's all that money plus the entire budget of the federal government that is leaning on the scales when it comes to the election.

00:38:56.920 Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. Fifty times is probably the best case scenario, right?

00:39:01.600 Like you're going up against not only the NGO industrial complex, which has way more money than the Republican Party as it is, but the full weight of the largest Leviathan state in the history of humanity.

00:39:13.700 You know, like that is what you're up against. Now, does that mean it's impossible for Trump to win?

00:39:19.120 No, because I do think and, you know, some people might call me naive for this, but I do think that there are limits on what they can get away with. Right.

00:39:26.460 I don't think I think they still have a sense of obligation to be to be inconspicuous about how they go about this.

00:39:37.120 And they can't literally just like go out in the street and like start shredding Republican ballots and, you know, writing fake ballots in the name and like, you know, feeding them to think they can't quite do that yet, at least.

00:39:47.840 Yeah. Yeah. You know, there might be a time sooner rather than later, depending on the outcome of this election where they can do that.

00:39:53.400 But and I do think like the average Republican voter is more attuned to this now, which might change the calculus somewhat.

00:40:01.760 The average Republican voter obviously doesn't have any real political or cultural power, but they can sign up to be a poll watcher.

00:40:07.120 And a lot of them are pretty militant about this stuff now for for reasonable, legitimate reasons.

00:40:12.500 So that in some ways imposes new constraints and maybe some of the stuff the RNC is doing with lawyers maybe might impose some new constraints.

00:40:21.060 But the the machine they have now, you can maybe subtract some states like Georgia or Florida, which passed pretty aggressive election integrity laws where you can't ballot harvest for the most part now.

00:40:33.860 But in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, like the machine, I have to imagine, is as powerful now as it's ever been.

00:40:40.880 And it has the backing of the federal government.

00:40:44.040 All right. So the last thing I wanted to talk about is really the story that I think has become a microcosm of this entire election.

00:40:52.500 And it's the story of what's happening in Springfield, Ohio.

00:40:57.000 Now, J.D. Vance actually mentioned this several times in speeches leading up to his nomination to the vice presidency.

00:41:05.740 I heard him give one or two of these.

00:41:08.720 He mentioned this at NatCon.

00:41:10.840 He mentioned this in his acceptance speech.

00:41:12.320 He was talking about Springfield, Ohio and the displacement migration that was happening there.

00:41:17.360 However, this really all kicked off when it started to become clear that not only were 20,000 Haitian migrants brought in what seems very much so by the government under temporary protected status to displace the population of this small town in Ohio.

00:41:36.560 But along with all the other effects that mass immigration has on a community, several of the animals in the community may have disappeared.

00:41:47.720 Now, there's been a lot of people questioning the veracity of, you know, some things have been posted about cats or, you know, this kind of thing, that kind of thing, what's being eaten.

00:41:55.160 What's clear is we do have social media posts from people who live there.

00:42:00.160 We have testimony from people who live there and we have audio from police arriving on the scene talking about how, you know, geese are being eaten, about how a pig head has been left.

00:42:11.380 And so, you know, this really captivated the minds of a lot of people.

00:42:16.200 The memes went crazy.

00:42:18.020 There's these AI generated memes of Donald Trump, you know, rescuing ducks and swans and cats and dogs and everything.

00:42:25.560 Just amazing work.

00:42:26.980 Meme magic has returned in full force in the 2024 election.

00:42:30.960 And, of course, this became such a big deal that it made its way into the actual presidential debate.

00:42:37.460 Donald Trump brought it up in one of the most memorable moments.

00:42:40.100 Now, the fact check at the time was, oh, well, we talked to the city manager and there's been no reports of this.

00:42:47.020 Maybe that's true.

00:42:47.920 Maybe the city manager lied.

00:42:49.320 But we have overwhelming evidence from many sources.

00:42:53.460 It's not some isolated video somewhere, you know, several reporters on the ground, you know, collecting the testimony of people who live in the community, police phone calls, you know, guys speaking at the city council meeting talking about this.

00:43:07.600 And so, you know, that fact check is getting blown out of the water.

00:43:10.800 But the fact that, you know, a lot of people have died due to illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:43:16.300 A lot of people have had sexual assaults on their daughters or their wives because of this.

00:43:22.000 And that garnered no attention.

00:43:24.220 But finally, pets getting hurt and, you know, ducks getting eaten like that.

00:43:29.460 That's what pushed things over.

00:43:30.740 I'll take it.

00:43:31.580 But it just seems kind of absurd in this moment, right?

00:43:35.400 Yeah. 0.98

00:43:35.540 I mean, obviously, in a healthy country, illegals killing and raping people would be enough for people to say, OK, we have to do something about immigration. 0.93

00:43:44.000 If you are charitable, you could say maybe it's because it is just so egregious. 0.99

00:43:49.360 Like people kill and rape in America every day, right?

00:43:52.500 Immigrant or not, right? 1.00

00:43:53.860 Most Americans don't like steal cats and fillet them and eat them alive.

00:43:58.180 So maybe it's that it's so alien and so egregious and outrageous and foreign in so many different ways that that caught people's attention.

00:44:07.140 That's the charitable read.

00:44:10.560 You know, it is my impression.

00:44:12.420 And I'm happy to be proven wrong is it is technically true that like the initial reports of the cats getting stolen and eaten might not have been true in that instance, right?

00:44:21.740 Like the the that picture of the Haitian, like, you know, or the picture of the black guy with the with the with the goose. 0.85

00:44:28.900 Like that was an old photo, right?

00:44:30.500 Like the video of the woman who had eaten a cat on the on the cop camera.

00:44:35.140 That was just like a normal black American, right? 0.98

00:44:38.980 So so I mean, that was it was hilarious to see like the immigration shills pivot to just like blaming black people who are already here. 0.95

00:44:46.340 Like, no, no, no, no, no. 0.55

00:44:47.300 That wasn't Asian immigrant. 0.98

00:44:48.240 It was just it is just black people. 0.99

00:44:50.200 My favorite moment is when they all started saying like, look, people just hunt.

00:44:53.940 It's just hunting.

00:44:54.740 All of a sudden, all the live journalists were like huge fans of hunting.

00:44:57.980 Like, actually, guys, you can't, you know, just grab random animals off the street.

00:45:02.300 Even if you're a hunter, you you have to be in season.

00:45:04.840 You need a license.

00:45:05.680 You can't just do it at your local park.

00:45:07.540 But yeah, whatever.

00:45:08.460 All of a sudden, they're all pro.

00:45:09.920 They're all pro sportsmen.

00:45:11.100 They're all pro hunter.

00:45:11.840 Yeah, they're not these bleeding heart vegetarians the minute it's done by, I guess, a Haitian immigrant.

00:45:19.300 But I saw I saw someone pointing out like someone posted a vote.

00:45:23.120 One of those like big lib accounts posted like a picture of Donald Trump Jr.

00:45:27.100 like with a duck, you know, hunting.

00:45:28.700 And someone pointed out like this is like the every left wing argument where they take one thing

00:45:32.920 and they take one vaguely aesthetically related thing that if you squint maybe had some similarity

00:45:38.600 and go, oh, you like X, but you don't like Y.

00:45:41.580 Like, hmm, you know, that's basically every left wing argument now.

00:45:45.520 But yeah, but like but regardless of the whether or not the specific targeted claims regarding

00:45:52.220 the specific Facebook photo or whatever is true.

00:45:55.760 First of all, I don't care.

00:45:57.100 To be totally candid, like to me, it's spiritually true that Haitians are skinning and eating 1.00

00:46:02.960 our cats in Springfield.

00:46:04.880 And I think, you know, it is true that Haitians eat cats in Haiti. 1.00

00:46:10.580 Right.

00:46:10.760 That's something that Haitians do. 1.00

00:46:11.860 It's not something that Americans do.

00:46:13.460 It's true that they do that stuff.

00:46:15.200 It's it's true that they eat wildlife in Haiti.

00:46:18.120 There's all kinds of, you know, extremely documented stories of that happening in the Haitian population,

00:46:25.080 which distinguishes the behavior of the Haitian population from the Native American population.

00:46:30.900 But more importantly, who cares?

00:46:33.080 Like, I'm sorry to the people who maybe might have lost their cats.

00:46:37.620 Genuinely.

00:46:37.940 I don't mean that sarcastically.

00:46:39.040 If I was I'm a dog guy, but if I was a dog owner and a Haitian ate my dog, I'd be really 1.00

00:46:44.020 upset about it.

00:46:45.520 But it's not the reason to object to Haitians being in Springfield.

00:46:50.040 The reason to object to Haitians being in Springfield is they are an alien foreign population 1.00

00:46:54.980 from one of the most notorious armpits in the world.

00:46:57.900 And they've descended on a small middle American town, as well as many other towns.

00:47:01.640 This is not just happening in Springfield and are drastically transforming it.

00:47:06.060 And surprise, surprise, when you bring people in from a radically different place and put

00:47:10.180 them in your place, they make your place more like the one they came from. 0.92

00:47:13.320 So Springfield is going to become more like Haiti. 0.98

00:47:15.600 You know, that's the problem.

00:47:16.920 They touch the magic dirt.

00:47:18.180 Yeah, right.

00:47:18.700 They touch the magic dirt.

00:47:20.400 They believe in our values.

00:47:21.860 Yeah, they they some of them like the proposition.

00:47:25.740 So it's solved.

00:47:26.860 The problem is over.

00:47:27.720 Like, I don't understand what you're talking about.

00:47:29.860 There can't possibly be anything that distinguishes America from any other nation other than the

00:47:36.620 dirt and the propositional values.

00:47:38.500 Yeah.

00:47:38.760 So it's an amazing thing.

00:47:40.580 You know, I think it was in March, back in March, I did a thread talking about that went

00:47:46.660 viral, talking about the cannibal gangs ruling Haiti and the fact that a large amount of Haitians 0.99

00:47:55.300 were fleeing understandably that moment into the United States to be clear, I 100% understand

00:48:01.560 why any human being would want to flee that situation.

00:48:05.080 This is not me being like, how could people not want to be there anymore?

00:48:08.640 I get it.

00:48:09.640 However, when you bring a lot of people who are involved in the formation of that culture

00:48:16.240 into your culture, what happens is they don't all just magically transform into your culture.

00:48:22.340 They just bring that culture to you, especially when they come in, say, 20,000 person chunks,

00:48:28.800 a third of the population of an existing city displaced by, you know, it's not you can bring

00:48:35.480 10 people from a culture into your culture and turn them into your culture. 0.99

00:48:38.800 That works.

00:48:39.960 You cannot bring 20,000.

00:48:41.900 You cannot, you can, you can, the, the, the proportion and the speed at which that is occurring

00:48:46.100 makes it completely impossible, especially when you have such a radically different culture. 1.00

00:48:50.600 There are some that are closer.

00:48:51.740 It makes it easier.

00:48:52.780 Haiti is very far apart.

00:48:53.860 It makes it much more difficult.

00:48:55.360 If you want any kind of understanding of what's going on, just look at the island of Santa

00:49:00.180 Dominga, right?

00:49:00.820 It's, it's, you know, you've got the Dominican Republic or Hispaniola.

00:49:04.120 You've got the, the, the Dominican Republic on one side, you've got, you know, Haiti on the other.

00:49:09.120 Drastically different results, same island, same, same environment.

00:49:13.280 You know, the, the, the same realities there, the results are very, very, very different.

00:49:19.040 And it's just amazing that this is so hard for people to understand.

00:49:22.140 And the most tragic thing is watching people having to look for an excuse to say the obvious,

00:49:29.540 you know, it's, it's the awkward way in which everyone has to avoid this.

00:49:33.080 I saw multiple, uh, you know, left-wing journalists on there being like, well,

00:49:37.540 communities don't get to decide who gets to be a part of them.

00:49:41.540 Okay.

00:49:41.860 Then who does the federal government?

00:49:43.860 That's what you, they're trying to pretend like there's some kind of objective standard

00:49:47.620 by which communities are assembled and nobody makes a decision.

00:49:50.420 But of course that is not what is happening.

00:49:52.580 The federal government is specifically making a decision to bring specific populations to

00:49:56.500 specific places and alter the cultures and voting patterns of those people.

00:50:00.580 And they are visiting all kinds of serious consequences on those societies.

00:50:06.340 These people are coming in with vast subsidies from the federal government.

00:50:10.260 So housing prices are skyrocketing.

00:50:12.340 Crime is skyrocketing.

00:50:13.860 The, uh, you know, the, the labor market is crashing, uh, you know, because there's so

00:50:18.420 many people competing for low end jobs that, uh, many of the people who live there were

00:50:22.500 trying to hold down.

00:50:23.460 The healthcare is completely, it's just a glut of people who are using free, uh, clinics

00:50:29.140 and now tripling the waiting times, uh, and the expenses of those clinics.

00:50:33.140 The, uh, education system has more than tripled the number of people who don't speak English

00:50:38.580 inside the system, which means they need translators.

00:50:40.580 They need all the architecture.

00:50:41.940 They need all of the scaffolding, everything that is applied to this in Florida.

00:50:46.420 We have a very large population of Haitians who have migrated in along with many other people

00:50:51.780 who have migrated into the area.

00:50:53.780 And that is already a massive burden on, on border States like Florida.

00:50:58.740 Our, our, uh, populations already have to bear this cost and deal is, and we had decades to

00:51:04.900 ramp up the architecture to do, or the infrastructure to do this.

00:51:08.420 And it's still a huge burden and causes a huge problem.

00:51:12.340 This is happening to a town over the span of just a few years and in proportions that are

00:51:16.980 just astronomical.

00:51:18.260 A hundred percent.

00:51:20.260 And to the point you made about this sort of various facetious, not facetious, spurious

00:51:25.380 arguments that people make, you know, I am more than happy to give you a hundred excellent

00:51:32.420 rational arguments against why I don't want 20,000 Haitians in my town or any American town 1.00

00:51:38.260 for that matter.

00:51:38.980 But it is outrageous in and of itself that we have to make those arguments at all.

00:51:43.780 I mean, one of the things that the left is excellent at aided by the sort of disproportionate 0.93

00:51:48.580 power of, uh, of their narrative making institutions is obfuscating issues and then forcing the people

00:51:55.780 on the right to argue on their terms, right?

00:51:58.740 We shouldn't be arguing about this at all.

00:52:01.060 I shouldn't have to give you an intellectual, you know, reasoned argument for why I don't want

00:52:06.980 a completely different alien foreign population that is nothing like me or the people in my country, 1.00

00:52:13.700 in my country, let alone in my town or my community.

00:52:16.820 I don't want it.

00:52:17.540 I have a right fundamentally to not want that if rights mean anything at all, you know,

00:52:22.420 even sort of pre the modern conception of rights.

00:52:25.940 Like if, if, if the, the basic premise of the nation state matters anything at all, like we

00:52:32.340 just get to say, we don't want them here.

00:52:34.020 We don't have to make arguments.

00:52:35.940 We shouldn't have to make arguments.

00:52:37.620 It's supposed to be our country.

00:52:39.300 The people of Springfield are allowed to just not want Haitians there. 1.00

00:52:43.940 They shouldn't have to make arguments for why.

00:52:46.100 And what happens is like, you know, the lib journalists or politicians or activists or whoever,

00:52:52.340 you know, they'll go into these towns and they'll stick a microphone in these like native

00:52:56.420 Springfield guys faces and be like, well, defend why you don't want Haitians here. 1.00

00:53:00.340 They shouldn't have to.

00:53:01.620 They shouldn't have to defend because we live here because we live here.

00:53:05.700 That's enough.

00:53:06.420 That has to be enough.

00:53:07.860 And I am, again, I've made many of arguments and I'm happy to keep making them.

00:53:11.620 I have to keep making them, but I object on, on the, on first principles to having to make

00:53:16.900 the argument at all.

00:53:18.100 And that's, what's so terrible about this.

00:53:19.860 Look, Mike DeWine, the governor of Ohio, right?

00:53:22.900 Came out in a press conference yesterday and said, basically, I don't oppose these programs.

00:53:28.020 I just don't like that the Biden administration isn't giving us enough funding.

00:53:31.460 So the problem is not that my, you know, basically we're ethnically cleansing parts of my state. 0.61

00:53:38.500 That's not a problem.

00:53:39.460 It's not a problem that we are airlifting a generational advantage of democratic voters

00:53:45.540 into the state to rig elections going forward.

00:53:48.580 That's not the problem.

00:53:49.860 The problem is not the people being killed in traffic accidents, not the 11 year old boy

00:53:54.660 killed because a school bus was driven off the road.

00:53:57.700 It's not the old woman who's killed when a car with expired license or expired tags

00:54:03.780 and a driver who doesn't have a license and is here through this program.

00:54:08.180 Those people don't matter.

00:54:09.460 I don't care about them.

00:54:10.820 All I care about is we didn't get the funding to put this together.

00:54:14.980 That's the Republican governor of that state.

00:54:18.020 When Ron DeSantis sent 50 migrants from Venezuela to Martha's vendor, it took 48 hours before the

00:54:27.780 National Guard had rounded them up and shipped them back.

00:54:30.660 50, but when 20,000 people from a radically foreign culture are dropped into a town of 60,000

00:54:39.140 people in a red state.

00:54:40.180 Oh, well, the governor's just like, well, fine.

00:54:42.500 Yeah.

00:54:42.740 That, that, that I just give us enough money to handle that.

00:54:45.700 That is, that's treason.

00:54:47.620 That's treason.

00:54:48.340 Like that, that, that is, that is a, in deep and, and serious betrayal.

00:54:53.220 And he already acknowledged that there are multiple other cities in Ohio that are undergoing

00:54:58.820 the same transformation in that same press conference.

00:55:01.300 He named two other cities that are facing exactly the same type of situation.

00:55:06.580 So this is not some isolated incident.

00:55:09.540 Same thing is happening at Alabama.

00:55:11.380 The governor of Alabama, uh, was, you know, she has basically passed the buck.

00:55:16.340 I believe it's Ivy.

00:55:17.460 Uh, she, she has, uh, passed the buck saying, oh, well, it's all the Biden administration,

00:55:21.460 but she's taking no action while, you know, there there's a, the town is, I believe it's

00:55:25.860 called Skalyuga.

00:55:26.900 Uh, they had a, uh, a city council meeting that just got shut down because the people

00:55:31.940 there were saying, we don't want this.

00:55:33.780 These people are obviously here illegally.

00:55:35.620 They're taking our jobs.

00:55:36.580 They're taking our homes.

00:55:37.780 You have to answer this.

00:55:38.900 They just shut it down.

00:55:39.860 They just gaveled the meeting closed and expelled the people in the building because they

00:55:43.780 just don't want to hear from the population.

00:55:46.100 Like that's the level of betrayal.

00:55:47.780 And this is happening in red states with Republican governors.

00:55:51.540 And they refuse to defend these people.

00:55:54.100 We know the federal government hates the right.

00:55:57.300 We know they hate red state Americans. 0.87

00:55:59.220 We know what is happening there.

00:56:01.060 But even the GOP governors who should be standing up against this, who should be exercising the

00:56:07.860 federalism that they claim to love are doing absolutely nothing.

00:56:12.020 All they can do is beg for more federal dollars.

00:56:15.220 Yeah.

00:56:15.460 One of the left wing attacks on the GOP is that they just want, they just talk about

00:56:19.780 immigration because they want it as an electoral issue.

00:56:23.700 Left isn't totally wrong.

00:56:24.740 You know, like that might be a woke, more correct situation where like, it's true for,

00:56:28.340 I mean, you, there are exceptions obviously, but for a lot of Republicans, like the extent

00:56:32.500 to which they're angry or sort of performatively publicly angry about immigration is because

00:56:39.300 it's something to run against the Democrats for in their next election and in the next

00:56:43.620 presidential election.

00:56:44.900 And maybe that'll sweep them into a majority and they can, you know, bring great returns 0.87

00:56:49.700 for their corporate donors.

00:56:50.900 Like that's, that's really what it is for, for them.

00:56:53.620 And it is happening all across the country.

00:56:55.780 And it's not just New York city or Chicago or whatever.

00:56:59.460 I mean, this was something like a year ago when you had all these gruesome images coming

00:57:03.140 out of these big blue cities, it was happening in the line you'd hear from conservatives.

00:57:06.660 Well, they voted for it, right?

00:57:07.940 Like, well, you know, it's New York, you know, you get what you vote for.

00:57:10.820 It's like, they're in your country. 0.98

00:57:12.500 Like, do you think they're just going to stay in New York?

00:57:14.580 New York's going to fill up.

00:57:15.780 New York was offering starting like a year ago.

00:57:18.660 They're still doing it.

00:57:19.380 They're offering free plane tickets into the interior, into middle America to get people 0.92

00:57:24.740 out of New York because they're full, right?

00:57:26.980 Surprise, surprise.

00:57:28.180 Now they're showing up in red America. 0.81

00:57:29.860 Now they're showing up in the communities that didn't vote for it.

00:57:32.260 So you've got Springfield, you've got Alabama.

00:57:34.900 We were talking offline before, uh, before the show started, like America 2100, our group,

00:57:40.100 we're going to Charleroi, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, uh, next week, Charleroi, you know,

00:57:45.060 Pennsylvania, I guess, as they've got a democratic governor now, but Charleroi is in a deep

00:57:49.060 red, very white rural and exurbant de-industrialized, uh, part of Pennsylvania, R plus a billion

00:57:57.140 town of 4,000 people working class, low income.

00:58:01.860 Um, the, the like last two plants in the town shut down last week.

00:58:08.980 So these guys, I mean, uh, it's, it's tough to watch some of the videos.

00:58:13.140 He's like decent working class, middle American guys are like, I can't support my family anymore. 1.00

00:58:18.980 Cause this is like what, these were the last jobs.

00:58:21.380 Um, so the town shrinking every year, town of 4,000 people over the last two years,

00:58:27.860 the immigrant population, almost all Haitians has increased by 2000% over two years.

00:58:33.060 Right?

00:58:33.540 So 2000 Haitians showed up in this, like already down and out town of 4,000 people.

00:58:40.020 Like we were saying, you know, off the call, that's the end of Charleroi, Pennsylvania.

00:58:43.860 Right?

00:58:44.260 Like, that's just like, talk about kicking these people when they're down. 0.79

00:58:46.580 Like that's an understatement.

00:58:47.700 That is the end of that town.

00:58:49.060 They were already on the way out.

00:58:50.180 We were on the phone with a local city councilman today.

00:58:52.820 We like posted one of his clips, this poor guy.

00:58:55.140 Like he clearly he's, you know, born, raised like multiple generations in Charleroi has

00:58:59.540 been fighting tooth and nail to try to save the jobs in the factory, like doing everything

00:59:03.780 they can working overtime to try to save the jobs.

00:59:06.100 And now he's got 2000 Haitians on his hands. 0.64

00:59:09.300 And the craziest thing is they don't even know where they came from.

00:59:12.520 Like this guy doesn't know where they came from.

00:59:14.380 He was telling me, he's like, I would love to like sit.

00:59:17.200 He used some choice words that we didn't post, but he's like, I'd love to sit face to face

00:59:20.980 with whoever did this, whoever brought these people here.

00:59:23.680 Cause nobody's giving us any money.

00:59:25.560 I mean, like that's the DeWine objection is true.

00:59:28.280 It's just obviously not enough.

00:59:29.640 Not only are these people coming, but they're not giving you any funds.

00:59:33.200 Like these guys can barely afford a police department.

00:59:35.400 And now they've got 2000 Haitians.

00:59:37.260 So it's not New York city anymore.

00:59:39.540 It's not just the people who voted for it.

00:59:41.320 It's your voters now.

00:59:42.620 And objecting that you're not getting enough money to ethnically cleanse your voters is

00:59:46.460 not going to cut it.

00:59:48.160 Yeah.

00:59:48.740 Every state is now a border state.

00:59:50.520 Every state is now getting the trickle down from blue state decisions.

00:59:54.180 You can't until, you know, and maybe one day this will happen, but until there's some

00:59:59.020 right of states to restrict movement in and out of their territories, your New York's

01:00:04.160 problems, California's problems, they are your problems and they will continue to be until

01:00:08.520 something changes.

01:00:10.040 All right, guys, we're going to switch over to the questions of the people.

01:00:12.460 But before we do, Nate, where do people find your great work?

01:00:15.060 You can find me at NJHawkman, N-J-H-O-C-H-M-A-N on X.

01:00:22.020 Excellent. 0.86

01:00:22.500 All right, guys, Tiny Stupid Demon says Schrodinger's Springfield cat is simultaneously both eaten 0.98

01:00:27.740 and not eaten. 0.96

01:00:29.380 Yes.

01:00:29.620 The media keeps you in a state of a state of what do you call it now?

01:00:36.260 See, my quantum mechanic jokes are falling apart on me.

01:00:39.480 Anyway.

01:00:40.280 Yes, I agree.

01:00:41.540 It's hilarious.

01:00:42.180 All right.

01:00:42.440 Moving on.

01:00:43.660 Kane says, where would you and Nate fit in an Anglo-Protestant restoration?

01:00:48.120 Both not wasps, and if you fit through values, isn't it a propositional nation?

01:00:54.780 Well, I hate to break it to you guys, but I am both Protestant and I can trace my genealogy

01:01:00.160 back to England to like the 1300s.

01:01:02.820 My family arrived here in the late 1700s.

01:01:06.700 You know, yes, got enough Native American in its hand to mix it in there as well.

01:01:11.140 But sorry, I qualify.

01:01:13.100 But I'll let Nate answer the rest of that question.

01:01:15.020 Well, I'm only, I've had this like, I don't even know.

01:01:17.660 So I'm half Anglo.

01:01:19.060 So first of all, that's, you know, questionable.

01:01:21.020 But my Anglo is, like my grandma is, they both, my grandparents both have British accents.

01:01:26.680 My grandma's South African British.

01:01:28.520 My grandpa's British.

01:01:29.640 So like, I don't think that counts as wasp.

01:01:31.800 Maybe it does.

01:01:32.620 Technically, they are white Anglo-Saxon Protestants.

01:01:36.340 They're Episcopalian, they're Anglo. 1.00

01:01:37.680 But they're not, you know, heritage Americans.

01:01:39.920 So I don't exactly know where that qualifies.

01:01:43.080 But look, if we're getting to a point where, if we're at the point where we're kind of parsing which, you know, whether or not like, you know, which European ethnicity or whatever.

01:01:51.080 Yeah, while you kids figure out the one drop rule, I guess.

01:01:53.940 Exactly.

01:01:54.520 Yeah.

01:01:54.760 We'll have one if we're having that debate.

01:01:56.320 Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, yeah, I guess I have enough Irish and whatnot to muddy the water there. 1.00

01:02:02.720 I'll let you, Anglophiles, really, really hash it out.

01:02:06.380 Let's see here.

01:02:08.640 Elijah Tymon says, Trump is also responsible for freeing people who burned down cities and drove a crime wave.

01:02:14.860 He just did so beforehand with the First Step Act.

01:02:17.880 Can't argue.

01:02:18.640 Can't argue that at all, man.

01:02:20.060 That's a very fair criticism of Trump.

01:02:23.820 The only thing, as I said, like I said, he could have scored points in that moment in the debate.

01:02:28.680 But I would I would level that exact same criticism to Trump.

01:02:31.700 Ultimately, there's no no lie there.

01:02:35.420 Let's see.

01:02:36.120 Joshua Beebe says 18 U.S.

01:02:38.140 Code 1015 subsection F allows illegals to avoid persecution.

01:02:42.600 If they thought they were allowed to vote, this will be important soon.

01:02:46.140 Yeah, I was aware of that provision in the code.

01:02:48.760 I did not know the subsections, but yeah, I know that that is a lot of what the left is already using to say that, you know, illegal voter fraud doesn't really happen.

01:02:58.920 It's not really there and will certainly be something that they'll be pushing when the election rolls around.

01:03:05.520 Here, Robert Weinsfeld said, lose, vote harder, lose again, vote harder.

01:03:10.100 Yes, it does seem like the answer is always the same.

01:03:13.480 We're always sitting down to the same slot machine, but we can't quite figure out why the House keeps winning.

01:03:17.520 Cliff Jaden says, I'm still waiting for the Maricopa County audit.

01:03:23.900 Yeah.

01:03:24.480 And then says, also still waiting for the Kraken by Sidney Powell.

01:03:29.580 Yeah, it might be right after QAnon rides to the rescue.

01:03:32.380 That's probably when all of those events will occur simultaneously.

01:03:38.040 Life of Brian says, if I were the state, I would cheat blatantly, declare Harris the winner and dare anyone to do something.

01:03:43.940 My goal would be total demoralization.

01:03:46.620 Well, so here's the thing. 1.00

01:03:48.720 You can do that, but it's stupid. 0.99

01:03:50.840 And here's why. 1.00

01:03:51.620 The state is constructed around soft power.

01:03:55.300 You have to understand.

01:03:56.780 You really have to grasp that there are more guns than people in the United States in like triplicate at least.

01:04:04.140 Right.

01:04:04.840 And yeah, that is a security blanket for a lot of the right.

01:04:08.920 The right sells themselves that nothing can happen because they have the Second Amendment.

01:04:12.360 And that's just not true.

01:04:14.420 Like the government can and has become tyrannical in the face of that.

01:04:18.700 But what that does mean is that the government has to put on at least a certain level of kabuki theater to keep you from justifying any rash action.

01:04:28.980 And so that means they have to hold on to certain, you know, certain noble lies.

01:04:33.340 They have to hold on to a certain level of acting and going through the motions.

01:04:37.460 And if they just rip all of the mask off all at once, they risk putting themselves into a position.

01:04:44.020 You may recognize that J6 was not a real threat to the lives of the people in Congress.

01:04:48.540 It most certainly was not.

01:04:49.640 No one there was armed.

01:04:50.740 No one there was in for an insurrection.

01:04:52.800 That's all just a lie.

01:04:53.860 However, I promise you that Democrats believe it.

01:04:57.540 They really are scared of kinetic action.

01:05:00.000 And so they are just not going to take some of those steps blatantly.

01:05:04.400 Yeah, it would be a power move.

01:05:05.980 It would be a flex.

01:05:06.780 But I think it's one that the left and the ruling elite are just not willing to do at this moment.

01:05:13.100 Feel free to jump in if you have anything.

01:05:14.580 Yeah, well, I agree with all that.

01:05:16.420 The only interesting point on that, and I don't actually, I haven't made up my mind if I buy this thesis, but it's convincing.

01:05:22.240 I think it was Bennett's philodactory, our buddy, who made the point that he actually thinks the presence of guns and the pervasiveness of guns in America is a kind of, it's neutering the radicalization process.

01:05:36.560 It's kind of a de-radicalization agent because if you compare what's happening in America to what's happening in the UK, he was posting this during the riots in the UK.

01:05:46.880 He's like people don't take direct action with high risk of violence and in some cases descending into violence like they are in the UK in America on the right because of the presence of guns.

01:06:00.120 Now, he defended it more articulately than that, but there might be something to that, right, that in some ways, and this isn't me arguing for, you know, taking away guns to radicalize the right or some 40-chest move like that.

01:06:11.360 But it might be true just descriptively that actually the presence of guns is holding back a radicalization process, at least on one level, that is not true in places where they took the guns away a long time ago.

01:06:25.020 But I think there is, like I said, you know, that's why I mentioned, I think there is a security blanket effect that does happen with a lot of the right.

01:06:33.040 Oh, well, I still have this, so ultimately I haven't really lost my rights.

01:06:36.480 Or like you said, the escalation is too severe if you're involved because of the presence of firearms, and so therefore people don't take action.

01:06:43.940 I think those are fair arguments across the board.

01:06:46.060 I think what that just means is basically, for better or worse, the presence of firearms avoids a certain amount of acceleration.

01:06:54.060 And because they prevent acceleration, they prevent power moves like the one he was describing.

01:06:59.640 Maybe that's a negative, maybe that's a positive, maybe that's just the facts on the ground, but I think that is the case.

01:07:05.980 Cliff Jaded again says, they're eating the dogs, David.

01:07:09.020 Trump 2024 is one of the more memorable moments.

01:07:13.020 Eric, I don't understand how the lawfare and shenanigans stop without kinetics.

01:07:18.700 Again, I hope that things get to the point where people understand that local action and state-level action are critical.

01:07:25.940 We need to see this.

01:07:27.400 I mean, to be really clear, GOP governors need to take meaningful legal action, legitimate action now.

01:07:36.780 They need to, because that's the only thing that stops things from getting worse.

01:07:40.500 Radical action in the legal realm by legally appointed officials is highly preferable to non-legal action taken later because things got out of control.

01:07:54.740 And so it cannot, I really cannot emphasize this enough.

01:07:58.700 Governors have to start taking action.

01:08:01.440 If they do not, when things go sideways, they will have no one to blame for themselves.

01:08:06.520 The reason things get bad in almost every situation is that those in power are unwilling or unable to actually do what is necessary.

01:08:15.780 And so those who have some degree of power now, if they go ahead and just, you know, they demure, they decide to pass the buck, they decide to come, oh, it's the Harris' administration's fault.

01:08:29.320 They're the ones doing this.

01:08:30.600 Where's my money?

01:08:31.380 I'm not really a racist, blah, blah, blah. 0.97

01:08:32.700 The more you start putting that junk out, the more likely you are to bring yourself to a, you know, no turning back situation. 0.95

01:08:40.740 And I would not like that. 0.97

01:08:42.000 I have a family.

01:08:42.920 I have a community.

01:08:44.200 I do not want to see my country come to that.

01:08:46.460 So I would really like to see GOP governors take meaningful action while that's an option.

01:08:51.340 Because at some point, it won't be.

01:08:53.080 And when it isn't, everyone will really wish that someone had the courage to make something real happen that was, you know, that was not going to lead us to this point.

01:09:03.320 Yeah.

01:09:03.820 The only thing I would say about that is, you know, we talk a lot about decline.

01:09:07.560 It is self-evident that America is in decline.

01:09:10.420 I think people on the right who have grown up in a country that, relatively speaking, is still so much better than the mean in most of the world for most of world history.

01:09:20.220 We see, to a certain extent, we're sort of spoiled where we see decline in ways that are important but are relatively small in a historical sense.

01:09:29.200 And we go, oh, you know, like walking through airports now is so bad, right?

01:09:32.420 Which is true.

01:09:32.900 It is bad.

01:09:33.780 But there's a difference between your airport sucking or whatever and a complete collapse of both the state and civil society simultaneously, you know, armed militias, et cetera, et cetera.

01:09:46.120 You know, things are getting bad.

01:09:47.220 But we haven't seen anything yet in terms of how much worse they could get.

01:09:52.160 So as much as I sympathize with a bunch of, you know, right-wing arguments in this regard, like the people who are just memeing like acceleration, pedal to the metal, it all has to collapse, et cetera.

01:10:02.440 I don't think they understand exactly what they're talking about and what they're asking for.

01:10:06.820 The people in the UK are learning that worse is actually worse.

01:10:10.400 Yes. 0.52

01:10:10.620 CB says, would it be beneficial for Trump at this point to say what everyone is thinking and state that immigration is happening because they hate white people?

01:10:21.080 I mean, it certainly couldn't hurt.

01:10:22.660 I mean, the left will spurg out on him. 0.95

01:10:25.520 They'll go nuts.

01:10:26.600 But I think there is a certain level of honesty that needs to occur there. 0.97

01:10:30.680 You know, the left coalition has, you know, radically conservative traditional Muslims and radical feminists and transgenders that wants to destroy, you know, the very existence of women. 1.00

01:10:45.060 The only thing that binds them together is one thing. 0.78

01:10:47.700 Okay.

01:10:48.300 Like, it's really clear.

01:10:50.460 And it's enough.

01:10:51.320 That's enough to bind them together.

01:10:52.660 It's all they need.

01:10:53.220 It really is.

01:10:53.540 It's enough to create a coalition.

01:10:56.260 And I think a certain level of honesty is probably helpful there.

01:11:01.260 Again, it can't be your only thing there.

01:11:03.700 Obviously, you know, you are in a situation.

01:11:05.920 You're going to be building coalitions in the United States at this point.

01:11:10.500 That's just how, you know, where it's at.

01:11:12.440 But I think it should be clear to a lot of people that there is a group being targeted.

01:11:18.940 And many people who are not part of that ethnicity still don't want to see those people targeted because they realize the injustice of that.

01:11:26.800 They realize that this is still the core culture of the country that they came to, that they love, that they want to be a part of.

01:11:31.800 So I don't think bringing that point up has to be something that is in any way excluding to other people who recognize what an attack on, you know, kind of the Anglo founding of the United States means for others in the United States.

01:11:48.080 But, you know, that, again, that's something that ultimately the Trump campaign is going to have to parse for themselves.

01:11:54.000 There are certainly people inside that circle who will make that very clear.

01:11:58.120 And I don't think that I don't think that kind of language is going to be beyond the pale.

01:12:03.280 Let's see here.

01:12:05.100 We need Martha Vineyard, Martha's Vineyard nationalism now. 0.99

01:12:08.500 They have it.

01:12:08.980 They have it.

01:12:09.660 They kicked everyone out as soon as the foreigners got there. 1.00

01:12:12.660 They've got nationalism.

01:12:13.660 They absolutely secured their their their place.

01:12:18.280 Let's see here.

01:12:19.080 Life of Brian says a particular insipid boomer I know actually wrote a book.

01:12:24.500 It was amazing.

01:12:25.180 The average boomer makes Bill O'Reilly look like Carl Schmidt.

01:12:30.460 OK, well, I don't know the boomer in question that you are discussing, but there are certainly people who are.

01:12:36.900 But I will say this.

01:12:38.040 I'll make my quick defense of the boomer.

01:12:41.020 The boomer is like a switch.

01:12:43.380 It takes a lot of pressure to flip it.

01:12:45.520 But once you flip it, it's on.

01:12:46.940 OK, so if you've ever seen a boomer post on Facebook, you know what I'm talking about here.

01:12:52.260 They will say things that you would never imagine posting in a million years and they will say it without hesitation.

01:12:58.840 So, yes, there are a lot of people of an older generation who still hold on to a lot of kind of the rhetoric that exists inside, you know, kind of the Fox News, you know, talk radio sphere.

01:13:12.360 But don't don't give up on these people.

01:13:16.660 Don't sell them short.

01:13:17.680 Don't don't alienate them because they are ultimately on your side.

01:13:22.620 They just need to be activated.

01:13:24.040 They just need to be given permission to believe a lot of things they already believe and have been told they can't believe because of the intellectual architecture that is laid out.

01:13:34.280 But you you need to give people the space to agree with you.

01:13:38.480 And so I just encourage you that.

01:13:40.380 Well, yes, it can be frustrating that so many people are locked into patterns that seem to deny reality.

01:13:46.420 Understand they're really not that far away from being on your side.

01:13:50.480 And you just, you know, to borrow a term that also often is there, be winsome in this regard.

01:13:57.240 It will serve you well later on.

01:13:59.540 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

01:14:01.580 But thank you, Nate, once again, for coming on.

01:14:03.460 Always a pleasure to have you.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - September 11, 2024

Trump Battles in 3-v-1 Debate ｜ Guest： Nate Hochman ｜ 9⧸11⧸24

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