Trump crushed the Iowa caucus, and now what does that mean for the rest of the primary race? What does it mean for 2020? And what does it say about the future of the 2020 election? On today's show, Glenn Beck sits down with Oren Jacobson to discuss all that and much more.
00:03:53.340Why do you think so many people were convinced that Trump was going to lose Iowa in this situation?
00:04:01.180Yeah, but before we do that, I just want to give a shout out to the 191 people that decided to show up
00:04:07.200and sit their butts down in the freezing cold to vote for Asa Hutchinson.
00:04:10.700I don't know who you are or what you believe in, but, you know, you're a man of your word.
00:04:15.220And if that's what you believe in, sir, there's a helicopter ride waiting for you,
00:04:19.360and I got a bridge to sell you in Alaska.
00:04:20.680But I think people were really deciding to say that Iowa was anyone's game.
00:04:26.760I think everyone was sort of getting high on their own supply,
00:04:29.160but primarily I think it is because there has been zero to no media coverage over Trump whatsoever.
00:04:34.660And so no one was paying attention to the ground game for Trump.
00:04:37.640I know he's been on a few town halls on the cable news networks.
00:04:42.060But outside of that, because Trump is not on Twitter, because Trump is sort of playing really a media silence game,
00:04:48.600where the only time you really talk about him is in the context of is he losing to, you know, Joe Biden in these polls?
00:04:54.420Is he losing to his primary contenders?
00:04:57.040And it's always in opposition to what he actually stands for.
00:05:00.780And so no one's talking about the fact that Trump wants to have people on his Project 2025 plan to, you know, curtail and gut the civil service.
00:05:10.180You know, he wants to deport millions of people on day one of taking executive action.
00:05:14.420The whole scaremongering over him being a dictator for a day, which, you know, isn't that bad.
00:05:19.080But I think it really does only a day, only a day.
00:05:24.080You're like, really, only a day like I could I could I could live with a Cheeto for a few more years than that.
00:05:27.820But anyways, I think it is a lot of people just living within their own bubbles, more or less,
00:05:33.880is that you have a media apparatus that isn't even conservative media, just regular media in general, doesn't want Trump to win.
00:05:39.960They want him in prison or defenestrated or whatever.
00:05:42.700And of course, the DeSantis, the Haley crowd, everyone's looking for the magical Trumpism without Trump formula.
00:05:49.660And as we saw in Iowa, that was not what the people wanted.
00:05:53.440And I mean, it's been very clear since the get go when Trump announced.
00:05:56.920Yeah, there was some sort of, you know, there was some contentious battles between him and DeSantis very early on in the polls.
00:06:03.700But then DeSantis opened his mouth and the spaghetti flew out of his pockets and his online parasocial sort of paid network of people happened to be the most annoying people on Earth.
00:06:14.420And I don't think that bode particularly well for him.
00:06:16.800And so now the race isn't between anybody.
00:06:20.340I mean, it is still Trump's primary nomination to lose, whether the RNC decides to stab him in the back or he goes to jail or whatever.
00:06:26.780However, this race is really between the neoconservative faction of the party, which is the Nikki Haley's of the world.
00:06:34.380Ron, I like Ron, but Ron isn't isn't the threat here.
00:06:37.680It's between Nikki Haley and Donald Trump.
00:06:40.240But Trump has the commanding lead of these voters and the vitriol we've seen both from other Republican Party affiliates, but more importantly, the mainstream media.
00:06:49.180I mean, the Joy Reid from MSNBC made it abundantly clear that her her blood libel against, you know, white evangelical Christians that voted for Trump was finally some really honest moments of television where she's like they're overrepresented.
00:07:07.740And because these people share the sentiment that the country is off track, millions of people have been pouring into this country.
00:07:13.180The Border Patrol is facilitating an invasion of the United States, and we've been wasting billions of dollars on wars that have gotten us nowhere.
00:07:20.140I'm voting for the guy that says America first, whether he's for America or not.
00:07:24.800And yeah, Trump Trump blew it out of the water.
00:07:26.740And that should surprise no one except the people high on their own supply.
00:07:53.640I know people with alligators in their names on Twitter.
00:07:56.240Don't, you know, you know, don't listen to this.
00:07:59.320But as I said many times, he's incredibly capable.
00:08:01.880I think that he probably was the heir apparent of the Republican Party in four years if he had just kind of understood the political situation.
00:08:12.980I'm very glad that it seems like, you know, he'd still be out Nikki Haley, who I understand a lot of people are like, oh, DeSantis is part of the machine.
00:08:24.600And I think the fact that she came in third is good.
00:08:27.540I think that's a positive thing that that shows that hopefully this is a dead or dying version of the party that's hanging on kind of by the skin of its teeth.
00:08:37.080And hopefully she she can just kind of be removed from the standings here with the next couple of of primaries.
00:08:47.980Like, I understand, as you said, when there's no when when Trump is not there in the debates and he received a lot of criticism for not being part of the debates, everyone felt like he owed them to be in the debates.
00:09:00.740This was the this is the line that he's owed to be in the debates.
00:09:03.280Of course, anyone who knows anything about politics knew that it was wise for him not to appear on the debate stage.
00:09:13.740The only thing he can do by putting himself in that room is is, you know, lose something.
00:09:20.800There's nothing to gain when you're already more than double, you know, the any of the next opponent's totals when it comes to polling.
00:09:28.680And so there's no reason for him to be in there other than people just kind of calling him mean names.
00:09:33.580But his his lack of presence did change the dynamic.
00:09:38.600It did seem to give people some hope where there wasn't hope.
00:09:41.640Oh, well, what if we have a really strong Iowa ground game?
00:09:44.800A lot of people, you know, I know it's particularly DeSantis invested a lot in the strategy up front of making sure if you can just take the momentum out of Trump sales, you can get in there and land a punch early.
00:09:57.180You know, hit him on the nose and make him look weak early on.
00:10:02.080I mean, what do you think about the fact that he did not step down after this loss?
00:10:06.280A lot of people expected that losing, you know, it's not like he lost by five points.
00:10:11.680He he he he got destroyed in the in the caucus.
00:10:16.060What do you think about the fact that he has not stepped down yet?
00:10:18.380When many people expected that without this kind of momentum, it's going to be very difficult for him to win going forward.
00:10:24.900Well, traditionally, you would stay on, especially if you if the the front runner hasn't decided who's going to be in his cabinet or who his vice president is going to be.
00:10:34.060But a recent Fox News interview had stated that he's already had his vice presidential pick more or less already selected.
00:10:41.740And so that that does throw sort of the traditional knowledge out there.
00:10:44.740But I mean, people are still have a lot of money invested in both Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis is looking for alternatives to Trump and what they can do and how they can flex on their policies and ideas and get them out there into sort of the Republican ether.
00:10:59.920I mean, you know, Asa Hutchinson has also dropped out. Vivek Ramaswamy dropped out and hasn't immediately endorsed Donald Trump right afterwards.
00:11:08.580I mean, Vivek's seven percent support, I guess, is going over to him.
00:11:12.780But it does illustrate, I think, that this is they still want him gone.
00:11:17.000And I think that a lot of the strategy that both Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis are fighting over is, is that, listen, Biden and all these people within the regime, within these various district attorneys in New York,
00:11:29.920the attorney generals, you know, people in the Justice Department or in Georgia, they want Trump in prison, right?
00:11:36.800They want him out of the race. They want him barred.
00:11:39.300And we still have to remember that there are ongoing Supreme Court cases, or at least they're going to hear the cases about Trump being banned from the primary ballots and just, you know, in states that participate in Super Tuesday in March.
00:11:51.500And that's, you know, that's, that's less than two months away from now.
00:11:54.840So you have things moving very quickly where people are really trying to make sure that Donald Trump is not even on the ballot for, you know, the Republican nomination for president of the United States.
00:12:04.900And so as it is and has been with the Republican Party for as long as I've been alive and longer than I've been alive, it is a party apparatus that are a bunch of beautiful losers that hate what the voters want.
00:12:17.940And so, yeah, we would like the voters have made it very clear in Iowa and has been resoundingly clear for party loyalty, at least when it comes to Trump, that they want to see jobs come back to the United States, that they want their border actually secured and for the border to even exist.
00:12:33.100And for millions of illegal immigrants to be deported and sent back to their countries at home while withdrawing from disastrous foreign conflicts abroad.
00:12:40.620And for that reason, and the people that are voting for it, predominantly white Americans, the party hates them.
00:12:46.680And they have no problem working with Democrats like Oklahoma Senator, Senator Lankford about, you know, having pathways to citizenship and not doing anything about the border at all, except what the Democrats want.
00:12:56.700So, yeah, it's going to be the usual party apparatus versus the will of the people.
00:13:02.220And that shouldn't surprise anyone as to why a disastrous Indian version of Hillary Clinton is running for the Republican nomination and why Ron DeSantis is still in the race despite the blowouts that they both received.
00:13:15.800This this is something that I've tried to communicate, and I think it's just people who are married to the system.
00:13:22.280They just and they're I think they're honest.
00:13:38.580You know, they're right that this is a guy who did not deliver on many of his promises.
00:13:44.380And they're saying, well, what we need is somebody who can just be more, you know, more professional, who won't have the personal baggage, who won't have this stuff.
00:13:53.760And they'll execute the policy because it's really about properly executing policy.
00:13:58.660If we can just get someone into the executive office and he just knows which levers to pull and which, you know, which things to manipulate, then all of the pieces will snap into place.
00:14:11.300And then a slight modification of the standard GOP slate will suddenly be implemented and that will save the country.
00:14:19.640And they don't understand the level of complete rejection the voters are issuing to the Republican Party.
00:14:37.580Top to bottom is the Republican Party as an entity.
00:14:40.560It is the American government as an entity is the priorities of the ruling class in their entirety and the way that they have treated the core of America that is actually up for a vote.
00:15:54.320And the answer is that they've elected a million of those people.
00:15:58.040And none of them have made good on their word because Trump might be undisciplined.
00:16:03.020But what that does, that unhinged nature of Trump allows him to say things and touch something about America that none of these other guys do.
00:16:12.860And that's what I think is so hard for people who are holding on to this idea that if we just get a more effective guy into office, that's the key.
00:16:36.900I mean, there is a there's the webcomic where like, hey, what's underneath that mask?
00:16:41.100And then they're like, well, let's keep the mask back on.
00:16:42.900Well, we can't put the mask back on, especially when we've seen from for years and especially since Trump ran and was president and how the reaction, everything that happened in 2020 that took place.
00:16:56.200There is an unfettered ethnic hatred for the people that voted for Trump by the Democratic Party.
00:17:02.280You can't put the mask back on after that.
00:17:04.480You can't look at the op ed section after the 2020 election and see them raging about interracial or multiracial whiteness for Hispanics in the Rio Grande Valley that voted for Trump or for people like Michelle Goldberg in The New York Times saying we can replace them when it comes to voters in Georgia.
00:17:22.740The you can't put that mask back on and say we're going to go back to politics as normal and the same way to see, you know, the actual energy, the electoral victory and the money.
00:17:32.580There are a lot of people that are happily who are married to the system that would like to grift off of that, realize, well, if we can just say these things, if we can say that we're America first, if we can say that we want to make America great again, we can we can be like that, too.
00:17:44.140And no, because people can see through obvious lies because anyone that has witnessed the last several decades of American politics every election year, it's about, you know, defending America, peace through strength, you know, close the border, cut the taxes and nothing of that happens.
00:17:59.160Now, there are plenty of things to criticize about Trump, and there are plenty of right criticisms to levy against him, the over reliance on executive orders and instead placating the Republican Party with a tax cut rather than something on the border that was more definitive than just, you know, a pen and a paper and a phone call.
00:18:15.160But at the end of the day, I also know that the people that are behind the Trump campaign and the Project 2025 people and the people that you and I have both had conversations with about how you would seriously gut the civil service and even do more than that gives me extreme, you know, I want to go for the guys.
00:18:31.700And Trump's a nice figurehead. He's a great fire starter. He's a great M-80 in the anthill, right? And that's a good thing. That anthill needs to go away. And unfortunately, an M-80 is better than letting that anthill stay there.
00:18:45.400So this is this is the way that it's going to be. You can't go back to normal, not when so many people have made it abundantly clear that they hate you and that they want America to get worse and that they want things to progressively turn into Brazil or South Africa or China.
00:19:00.580And people are saying no to that, whether they get their will accomplished. I mean, you and I are not are not real big fans of democracy and its process for obvious reasons, as we've discussed on the show.
00:19:11.440And you've got a book coming out on how that all works. But it does indicate to the people that, listen, you're playing a game against a system that has been systematically targeting you for at least 60 years, if not more.
00:19:22.440And, you know, if this is your one shot and it's one giant middle finger to the regime and it's going to be like a firecracker or a bull in the China shop, why not take it?
00:19:32.400Well, and I think people don't understand that the most important thing about Trump is not what Trump will do.
00:19:39.480Like, Trump is going to fail. Like, I hope he takes good steps. I hope that he makes big moves. I hope that he holds to his word.
00:19:47.440But I think fundamentally, Trump does not have the competency or follow through to get some of these things done.
00:19:54.220I know a lot of people say, oh, then Ron DeSantis, Ron DeSantis. I get it.
00:19:57.200But here is the most important thing about Trump. It's what the system is going to do to react to him.
00:20:03.320We already see NBC just ran a story about how lobbying groups are trying to get the military to ignore Trump, which they don't even need to do.
00:20:11.620He already did. Right. They already did. Right. But that's the kind of stuff we're talking about here.
00:20:16.700The Trump drives the leftist establishment absolutely insane in a way that no one else does.
00:20:23.880Yes, they're going to talk about the terrors of Ron DeSantis or whoever else.
00:20:28.560They love Nikki Haley, actually. They're not even going to bother with that.
00:20:31.200They haven't even bothered to pretend that Nikki Haley isn't their candidate in the Republican election.
00:20:38.380But, you know, they'll talk a game about other people and how scary they are.
00:20:42.360But with Trump, they make incredibly bad decisions that destroy themselves.
00:20:47.280And the system is going to destroy itself before Trump's going to destroy the system.
00:20:51.420That's just true. These people are going to tear themselves apart in public, try to destroy Trump before he ends up tearing the system apart.
00:20:59.600But that's kind of part of the of the of the battle is somebody who will get these people kind of accelerate their insane desires so much and rip the mask so far off that they end up kind of destroying fundamental pillars of their power in order to do it.
00:21:16.140We saw just a little bit of this. I know we have varying opinions on this, but we saw just a little bit of this with the actions at Harvard, right, where they were willing to undermine the credibility of Harvard to say that Harvard degrees don't matter just so they could insult Chris Rufo.
00:21:29.820That's just a taste of the way that the left reacts to Trump.
00:21:33.740They're willing to completely strip away all of their credibility, destroy all of the kind of the myth around why they should be in charge, their their political formula, why they should be the ruling elite.
00:21:44.860They will become completely unhinged, mask completely off to put away somebody like Trump.
00:21:50.180And so while he may not be the guy who's going to effectively manage every aspect of the dismantling of the federal bureaucracy, I think there are people, like you said, behind him who do understand the nature of the problem, who are working on many of these things, who will make more steps than there than there were in his previous administration, even though I still think not not sufficiently.
00:22:12.920But I think that they do understand the problem better than they did before and that they have a better plan for implementing this stuff.
00:22:19.080But ultimately, it's the way that the left is going to react to Trump that's going to make him the most valuable asset when we're working against, you know, kind of kind of the regime as it is.
00:22:28.820I mean, this sort of does lend some credibility to the analysis put out by a certain shampoo magnate about the fragility of the regime that you listen to.
00:22:39.000We witnessed during the Trump administration, the complete treason by the civil service.
00:22:46.260We saw the military commit treason by, you know, not telling Trump about the military presence in Syria and was doing everything that they can to undermine him, both in the civil service, the courts and in the public press and media.
00:22:59.360And again, you know, Richard Nixon was right.
00:23:03.860But it does illustrate that, you know, he's a bull in the China shop.
00:23:07.540And if that means that Trump is either the acceleration at stake or it's just the middle finger to the system as to why I voted for him in 2016 and did it again happily in 2020, then so be it.
00:23:18.700But again, as we talk about it, like the mask is off and you can't put it back on.
00:23:26.800More offshoring of jobs, more illegal immigrants coming in that you want to replace, you know, the people that have been here since the founding to go away and to dilute their vote.
00:23:44.280And there's a reason why Trump has said what he said about immigration.
00:23:47.140There's a reason why people are working like Stephen Miller and the rest of them.
00:23:51.000Listen, like these are civilizational problems.
00:23:53.640The United States of America cannot survive if this continues.
00:23:56.660And the more people come together, whether it's on the Internet or in real life, like importing people and shipping them off to red state America in small towns, or we're going to take them to happy old New England and slap them in Maine, the least diverse state in the Union, according to the unfortunate travel labels and disadvantages of the USA today.
00:24:17.200But it does illustrate, right, that that is fundamentally untenable.
00:24:23.360And the more we come together, the more we realize that we're very different and that the sort of egalitarian utopianism of modern liberalism fails right before our eyes.
00:24:32.160And Trump has the opinions of a 90s Democrat.
00:24:35.560I mean, no one would ever – he would be somewhere – he probably voted for Bill Clinton, for all I know.
00:24:40.440But, you know, it does illustrate that a 90s Democrat makes you a fascist in the echoes of the Third Reich in 2024 America.
00:24:48.880And that's how radically off course we've gotten.
00:24:52.860But it should be no surprise to anybody.
00:24:55.200This is where you're at, and this is how it's going to be.
00:24:57.580And the average voter doesn't have to be reading Bertrand de Juvenile or Carl Schmitt to know that the people in Washington and the people on the cable news headlines really hate my existence.
00:25:08.540And if there's one guy out there that remotely speaks to my existence and my needs and the people that, you know, vote for the Republican Party, then, yeah, I'm going to vote for him.
00:25:17.260And for some reason, this is some magical, elusive, holy grail formula that a lot of pundits can't seem to grasp.
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00:25:42.860First, like you're saying, a lot of people have a hard time understanding this shift.
00:25:46.700I hear things all the time like, oh, well, this is, you know, the Republican Party moving to a model of victimhood or, you know, this is, you know, people being unable to choose the more competent candidate.
00:25:57.960Guys, if you are lecturing the electorate, you are doing it wrong, okay?
00:26:02.020I may not like democracy, but at least I understand how it works.
00:26:06.240You're in complete denial about how it works.
00:26:08.180You don't even understand the mechanisms at play.
00:26:11.000But I think really importantly, like you're saying, immigration has to be an insane hair on fire issue for the right.
00:26:19.660They have to understand, you are very close to no longer having any Democratic power inside the United States.
00:26:27.600The Democrats understand all they have to do is run out the clock.
00:26:31.220All they have to do is run out the clock.
00:26:32.740They're importing entire states' worth of future left voters.
00:26:37.340And another thing I hear from people all the time that is so brain dead, they're like, oh, well, you know, these people can't vote right away.
00:26:43.800Do you not understand what's happening in your country?
00:26:46.100Do you not understand that many states have already made it entirely easy for these people to vote without, you know, without needing proper documentation?
00:26:55.020And even if they can't, the fact that their children are immediately American citizens upon birth in the United States means that there's a permanent demographic shift in the United States that changes the electoral map for generations.
00:27:08.100But this is just so hard, I guess, for a lot of Republicans to grasp.
00:27:11.240Like you said, we still get these basically pathway to citizenship, you know, mass what effectively is mass amnesty bills from the Republican side of the aisle.
00:27:22.700And yeah, I believe that guys like DeSantis want to change immigration in at some level that they do want to enforce the border at a higher level.
00:27:30.640I don't think that's something that they're blowing smoke about.
00:27:34.260But I don't think they understand the level, the desperate nature of what's happening.
00:27:39.660We're talking about permanent shifts that will make sure that democracy never goes your way ever again.
00:27:45.360The left understands exactly what they're doing.
00:27:47.060And all they have to do is keep you from taking action.
00:27:49.740That's why I'm hoping that Greg Abbott's actions are real and permanent and going to be expanded.
00:27:57.120I'm hoping to see guys like Ron DeSantis take leadership roles at the state level to shut down illegal immigration because it's not happening at a federal level.
00:28:06.740It's just not happening at a federal level.
00:28:08.900Hopefully, Trump gets into office and he can do a lot more.
00:28:12.620But you really need to see states who say, no, we're going to step up and we're going to fill the gaps where the federal government is falling down.
00:28:18.220And until you have that kind of urgency that understanding this is an existential threat to any form of a political voice in the United States for the right, then you just don't understand what's happening.
00:28:33.520You can't really afford to continue to just twiddle your thumbs while the other side makes sure to just dilute your vote to the point where it's never going to matter again.
00:28:42.040Yeah, I mean, that's the fundamental fact of this election and of the times that we are in.
00:28:51.500And I know it sounds like a broken record for some people who are already tuned in to these things.
00:28:56.580But I mean, you know, it's not just about illegal immigration.
00:29:00.480It also is about birthright citizenship.
00:29:02.160It is about the fact that there are members of Congress right now, like Representative Ted Lieu, who happily rejoices and joyously smirks and says it with a sneer and an uplifted nose about the fact that, you know, your demographics in this country are limited and your days are numbered in terms of electoral relevance.
00:29:22.980Because they're, you know, and I'm not the world's biggest fan of this guy, but, you know, who is the he's the commentator that you had an interview with a while back.
00:29:34.200But he had said, like, listen, Democrats like you dead, but they'll settle for your submission.
00:29:44.820Like, you know, they're OK if you're like a white Republican in California where your voice doesn't matter and you have to suffer because, you know, you can vote.
00:29:51.640But we both know that that vote really doesn't matter all that much outside of a few districts in the House of Representatives where, you know, California still has Republicans.
00:30:01.140And so, you know, again, this is that that that statement is true.
00:30:04.820They want your they want you dead, but they'll settle for your submission and they'll get that submission by permanently changing the demographics of this country.
00:30:12.040And it's insane to think about because this was something that despite her sort of positions on politics now, it's something that Ann Coulter was right about, you know, over 15 years ago.
00:30:21.640And they got her banned from ever speaking at CPAC again.
00:30:24.840But this is the fundamental reality of how our electoral system is.
00:30:29.020And so if one guy is willing to say, listen, you've got to send people back and you actually have to have a border that exists, then so be it.
00:30:36.140And I think Greg Abbott should be the example that Governor Ron DeSantis and others do when it comes to illegal immigration and migration in general.
00:30:43.880It's just that, listen, the United States Border Patrol is facilitating, you know, the invasion of the United States.
00:30:51.660And again, all these things facilitate the same fundamental point about regime fragility.
00:30:56.420And, you know, if they're doing all of this out and open and in the public, that kind of hubris usually means that you're desperate or you have a lot of power.
00:31:06.180And as we can see between trying to manage three different areas of conflict at once, the fragility of our supply chain systems and the inability to have, you know, competent airlines or even competent, you know, military recruitment numbers.
00:31:20.480It illustrates that things are not as strong as they may be.
00:31:23.960And the more you can do to put stressors on the regime, the better, because this is fundamentally unsustainable.
00:31:30.920And I'm not an advocate for, you know, anything illegal, but it does illustrate that the position we're in right now is tenuous at best, but outright on the brink of disaster much sooner than we think.
00:31:45.020What do you think about Vivek's immediate withdrawal after this?
00:31:48.120I mean, obviously, it came in last, so you understand that part.
00:31:51.620But many people, myself included, kind of pointed out that it didn't feel like Vivek was really running for president so much as playing the Trump proxy.
00:32:00.960Trump couldn't be there in the debates, or rather, he shouldn't be there in the debates due to political strategy.
00:32:06.160And so you needed someone who was going to voice something that was very close to the vision that he had, to the policies that he had,
00:32:13.400but wasn't going to be sticking in for the long term, didn't really have delusions that he was going to win that election.
00:32:30.500Well, up until very recently, just a few days before the caucuses, I mean, Trump had been more or less mum on Vivek Ramaswamy,
00:32:37.400which makes me think that perhaps those two had some communication.
00:32:41.280It wasn't until leading up, like a week before the caucuses, did Trump just unleash on Truth Social that Vivek Ramaswamy is not MACA or Make America Great Again or whatever.
00:32:51.600And so to me, I feel like that was a signal of saying, listen, Vivek, we've probably got some deals going on.
00:32:55.720Drop out after Iowa, give me your endorsement, and serve as my proxy.
00:32:59.480Again, I don't work for any of these campaigns.
00:33:02.000I'm not getting any checks from anybody.
00:33:03.420If I were, I'd be driving a much better car than I am now, but neither here nor there.
00:33:08.600It does illustrate to me, I think, that that sudden heel turn, right, you know, like about face, like, all right, Vivek is the threat now,
00:33:15.700really does illustrate that he's served his purpose, which has been platforming the ideas of what a Trump administration would look like.
00:33:23.500He has diverted all of this energy away from Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis, from attacking Trump.
00:33:29.680They were all focused on Vivek Ramaswamy, the only person who didn't take that bait, which is funny, considering he loves to eat everything, was Chris Christie.
00:33:38.100He was the only one attacking Trump directly, whereas everyone in the debate stage focused on Vivek.
00:33:43.820I think Vivek will probably have some sort of cabinet position if Trump wins or if Trump announces some sort of ticket lineup for what his government will look like.
00:33:51.680But he has served a very good job at platforming ideas like, you know, the Great Replacement and so on, even if they were worded slightly differently.
00:34:00.760You know, he's done a lot of good at making himself sound interesting.
00:34:03.680And in a lot of ways, you know, he sounded a lot like Curtis Yarvin about, like, the administrative state and what to do with the regime.
00:34:09.080And so, I mean, it's a shame, you know, press F in chat for H1B mold bug.
00:34:14.000But it is good that a sign for potentiality that maybe Trump will now be more active in the primary, because I think he knows who his threats are.
00:34:22.140And his threats, of course, are the Biden administration openly coordinating with these officials, you know, trying to prosecute him and put him in jail.
00:34:28.380But also the Republican Party that wants someone like Nikki Haley or Ron DeSantis to be on the ballot instead of him.
00:34:34.540And Vivek has some pull, and it does illustrate, I think, some of the background inner workings of the RNC.
00:34:40.900You know, this isn't the first time that we've seen a push to change the RNC in general.
00:34:46.180On the debate stage, Vivek called out Ronna McDaniel to resign.
00:34:50.860I mean, this wasn't the first challenge that she had either.
00:34:53.000I mean, Kamit Dillon also tried to seize the RNC chairmanship away from her.
00:34:58.860And so, you know, there's sort of this background balance between sort of maybe like a more Mormon waspish contingent of the Republican Party versus the sort of up and coming multi-ethnic aspect that the GOP wants between Hispanic voters and those from the Indian subcontinent.
00:35:14.560So we're seeing a lot of interesting things play out with the RNC.
00:35:17.580But him endorsing Trump is a good thing, and him and Tucker Carlson, who I have my gripes with, sure.
00:35:23.940But both of those two have served very good jobs of being Trump proxies and speaking for Trump and Trumpism.
00:35:33.840What do you think about the shift of kind of the hatred of the neocon core?
00:35:38.300I mean, I think one thing we could all agree on is that the kind of the hatred for the policies of Nikki Haley.
00:35:45.140I mean, DeSantis is a little closer, I think, than the rest to that.
00:35:49.740But even he seemed to be pretty hostile to a number of the kind of neocon assertions of Haley.
00:35:55.100If nothing, whether DeSantis legitimately opposes those or not, he certainly knows he has to.
00:36:02.040And isn't that a great sign that in the Republican primary, the position people need to take unless they're trying to cash donor checks, if they actually want to connect with the base, is that kind of the neocon attitude is dead.
00:36:17.940We don't want to be a proxy for funneling money to weapons contractors.
00:36:21.940There's kind of that shift away from what would have been a standard-bearing portion of the party just an election cycle or two ago, I think, is a pretty good sign going forward about what the Republican Party is, or at least what the base is, if not the party.
00:36:38.560Yeah, well, I mean, the base is, you know, in full agreement with Trump's positions on immigration.
00:36:43.440They could really care less about trying to go to war again in the Middle East or trying to send billions of dollars to someone that is actively, you know, depopulated to the nation of Ukraine and has persecuted Christians in that area.
00:36:56.760So I think it really does indicate that, you know, the neoconservatives, however, are rearing their ugly head again.
00:37:02.560And we have to understand that neoconservatism did not start out as the way that we know it from the early 2000s.
00:37:09.740You know, when you look up that famous article, What the Heck is a Neoconservative?, Max Boot will tell you that it's primarily based on foreign policy and it's based on America's relationship to Israel in the Middle East.
00:37:20.180It started much earlier in the 60s and 70s as a reaction to the Civil Rights Act and racial quotas that were being challenged in the court.
00:37:26.740You know, you see this with Norman Potterets and his son, John, who would later work in H.W. Bush and with Ronald Reagan as a speechwriter.
00:37:43.240He was interested in having a Democrat that could challenge Trump.
00:37:46.480I mean, so like, let's go listen to Dean Phillips on a Twitter space, not, you know, how do we work with, you know, the Republicans on anything or anything like that.
00:37:53.680So neoconservatism is making it's it's rearing its ugly head again.
00:37:57.980Nikki Haley is the ultimate representation of that.
00:38:00.900And again, she is just an Indian version of Hillary Clinton running as a Republican.
00:38:05.620And that has to be voted out and it has to be institutionally crushed and destroyed.
00:38:10.520The problem is, is that there is a lot of moneyed interests that want that to stay as part and parcel for it.
00:38:16.860And there are a lot of people that still buy into that, as we saw by her third place results in the Iowa caucuses.
00:38:23.600I mean, she actually won one county out of ninety nine.
00:38:27.040I mean, it could have been a complete Trump sweep, but she literally won by one vote in the university town.
00:38:40.700If America wants to live, neoconservatism has to go, because if not, the GOP is going to be the same party it has always been, where it is a beautiful loser loses with honor.
00:38:51.860You know, always rah-rahs about the military taxes and the border, but always, always submits itself, as it should, as the outer party, as a loser to the powers that be.
00:39:04.780And if the base knows that that's a bunch of, you know, a crock of crap, the base wants something completely different.
00:39:11.280I mean, this is why there's people willing to vote for Trump over and over and over again.
00:39:16.640But unfortunately, neoconservatism is resurging, and it's going to resurge, especially during an election year.
00:39:22.940And I mean, it feels a lot like 1968 in some ways.
00:39:25.680You've got a war going on in the Middle East.
00:39:27.520You've got open ethnic resentment happening in the streets, as well as within the news cycle.
00:39:32.240And you've got the Republican Party fighting over differing factions and what to do.
00:39:36.520And the left is fractured between its old-style guard of Biden and more radical progressive elements inside the party as well in the Congress.
00:39:44.840So clearly where we're at right now is an echo of the past.
00:39:48.360And just like in the 1960s, we saw neoconservatism be born, we're seeing it reemerge its ugly head again as well.
00:39:54.640So it's important for us to study our electoral history as much as we look at our day-to-day politics.
00:40:01.700Do you think these people really want a war with Iran?
00:40:04.200I mean, I know that they're stirring the pot, but doesn't that seem insane?
00:40:08.740Like, they still haven't technically wound down Ukraine yet.
00:40:13.280And, of course, Israel is having everything that's going on.
00:40:16.680I mean, is the United States government really foolish enough to start a full-scale conflict with a country that can actually fight back?
00:40:37.080But even for me, who's incredibly cynical about the kind of level of competence and restraint of our elites, that does seem crazy, right?
00:40:45.360Like, if they go into that, there's a full-scale civilizational collapse scenario, it feels like, if they get the wrong bounce out of a war with Iran.
00:40:55.660Well, I think that the U.S. government's in a really complicated position, like, regardless of how you feel about Israel or going to war with Iran, right?
00:41:04.780Like, I know that John McCain is looking up at us right now and is just begging that, you know, even in hell he can get that war with Iran happening.
00:41:15.280But even, I won't go too far into scriptural references there.
00:41:19.660But yes, not even a drop of water to cool his tongue would be a war in Iran.
00:41:23.880But the thing is, is that, you know, the shipping attacks that have happened in the Red Sea, in the Gulf of Aden, I mean, historically speaking, you know, attacks on American maritime shipping is, like, the oldest casus belli in American history.
00:41:40.820Like, are the war with the Barbary states and our other piracy cleanup efforts throughout the 20th and 21st century.
00:41:47.700I mean, it's a very straight, open and shut case, like, attacking American shipping.
00:41:52.300This affects American national security interests.
00:41:54.420We're going to go bomb the people that are doing this.
00:41:56.700The problem, however, is that, you know, despite Biden's efforts to try and tell the Israelis to maybe cool it a little bit,
00:42:04.820there seems to be no ceasefire in Gaza anytime soon.
00:42:08.460And the Israelis have said that the war is going to continue for the foreseeable future in the months ahead.
00:42:13.660Major maritime shipping insurance companies have said that most maritime shipping will continue to go around Africa for the time being,
00:42:20.400or at least those that are aligned with Western and American shipping.
00:42:23.740And so just avoid the area lest you get caught in the crossfire.
00:42:26.540And despite the American and British efforts to bomb them, there are still attacks happening.
00:42:32.280And Iran has the capability of striking its own domestic munitions and arms and whatnot.
00:42:38.640And we've already seen even prior to the war in Gaza from October 7th that there were strikes against Iranian munitions facilities.
00:42:46.660You could say that even without a declaration of war from the Iranians or the American Congress, like, we are at war with Iran, at least by a proxy.
00:42:53.540We have been for years in Yemen between the Israelis, the Saudis, and the Americans, you know, helping fight the Houthis as well.
00:43:01.360The Russians, the Chinese, and the Iranians have been supporting the Houthis as well.
00:43:05.280This war has the very likely ability to escalate.
00:43:09.920And all it takes is for that security dilemma to trigger either miscommunication or, you know,
00:43:16.700someone doesn't get orders clear enough and directly and things get hot very fast.
00:43:20.900The problem is, is that America doesn't have the positions it had in Iraq or in Afghanistan, as it once did.
00:43:28.600And, you know, there's the very real likelihood that it could happen.
00:43:33.580I think that the United States government, whatever is left of old guard State Department officials,
00:43:39.760knows that that's not a tenable position for us to do.
00:43:44.800I mean, whether because we don't have the capacity to build, our ammunition stores desperately need to be refilled and restored.
00:43:52.700And plus, we still have a major recruiting crisis going on.
00:43:55.260And it's hard to convince the average American, because most combat deaths in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were predominantly white males who tended to vote Republican.
00:44:05.680And those guys aren't signing up to fight for Uncle Sam anymore.
00:44:08.780That, you know, this leads to severe questions about America's military readiness.
00:44:12.800And this is something that our regional allies in Europe and in the Middle East are concerned about.
00:44:18.480So it does put America in a very tenuous position.
00:44:40.520And, you know, despite our efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq, the war in Ukraine is vastly different.
00:44:46.260Very trench based, less open movement.
00:44:49.700And we've seen the power of drones far greater than any of the stuff that we did in Iraq and Afghanistan.
00:44:54.580And so I just to sort of make a long story short, I don't it's not impossible that there could be war with Iran.
00:45:00.320But I think even the people who are trying to keep this weekend at Bernie's administration afloat know that we're not in a position to do it, at least just yet.
00:45:11.100So we've got, obviously, New Hampshire near the end of the month, and then we've got Nevada.
00:45:19.180South Carolina is going to be interesting because, of course, that's Haley's home state.
00:45:23.420If Trump crushes her there, then you have to wonder.
00:45:25.700I mean, I guess she just sticks in no matter what, because she's got the funding of of kind of the institutions and she can just hang out to see if Trump gets removed.
00:45:34.740But a loss inside her own home state would would be pretty devastating.
00:45:39.960And then, you know, you've got Michigan, a few more, and then you get to Super Tuesday at the beginning of March.
00:45:45.840What are what are your predictions for for kind of candidates hanging in?
00:45:51.220I know predictions are always the most exciting part of any of these.
00:45:54.860But do you think that all of these, you know, we're now down to three, really, do you think that all three of these candidates will will be able to hang in until Super Tuesday?
00:46:04.600Do you think I think I think Haley's going to have the donations no matter what.
00:46:08.040But I do wonder if Ron DeSantis can continue to fund himself to Super Tuesday if he doesn't pick up a pretty big win in a place like New Hampshire.
00:46:15.320I think that Ron will between Nikki and Ron, I think Ron will drop out first.
00:46:21.420And the question is really going to be, who does Ron endorse?
00:46:24.560And again, like it's this procedural bit over over delegates.
00:46:28.260And we saw what happened to Ron Paul in 2012.
00:46:30.500We saw what happened with sort of people telling the delegates to vote with their conscience in the 2016 Republican National Convention when it comes to making Trump the nominee and so many efforts to stop him.
00:46:45.660I try and look at how things are and go from there.
00:46:49.140I would say that Nikki will stay in probably up until the convention.
00:46:53.840I mean, it reminds me of the 2008 election where like Mike Huckabee stayed on way longer than he should have against John McCain.
00:47:01.280But I see DeSantis dropping out first between the three of them.
00:47:05.260But I mean, if Trump wants to, you know, I don't think Trump should rest on his laurels.
00:47:09.220I mean, he's already fighting against the regime in terms of those those all those legal cases and the federal courts, the primary ballot situation alongside Georgia, New York.
00:47:20.220He needs to be seen more because, I mean, again, I think the reason why so many people thought that DeSantis or Nikki would do so much better in Iowa than they did is because there's been zero media focus on Trump.
00:47:31.280He's this looming elephant in the room, you know, this bright orange elephant that no one wants to really talk about.
00:47:36.740But, you know, Trump needs to make his face seen.
00:47:39.140It was cool when he tweeted out the mugshot on Twitter.com after he got his account reinstated.
00:47:52.980I know some people would say the less that we see of Trump, the more people like him and compared to what people are saying.
00:47:58.760And there's some valid arguments for that.
00:48:00.680But Trump needs to start fighting more, you know, and I mean, it's good when people like Vivek or J.D. Vance or Rand Paul are doing the whole never Nikki stuff.
00:48:42.640Well, we're going to go ahead and pivot over to the questions of the people.
00:48:45.440But before we do that, please tell them where to find your excellent content.
00:48:49.000Yes, as always, Oren, thank you so much for having me on.
00:48:51.100It's always a pleasure to speak with you and your wonderful audience over here at The Blaze.
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00:49:35.460Let's go over to our super chats here.
00:49:39.640Mr. McGee says, if only Trump was as bad as they say he is.
00:49:43.800Yes, we all deserve the Trump the media is afraid of.
00:49:47.080Yeah, I wish I wish we lived the world of the liberal nightmare, because every time they like, do you see that advertisement they put out where it was like January 2025 and you live in quadrants and you have your mandatory patriotism day?
00:50:35.900A lot of people are reaching out to the left.
00:50:37.580I think you do have to reach out to the left.
00:50:39.040I don't think there's anything wrong with having some level of dialogue there.
00:50:44.040I think that's kind of still part of what's going on.
00:50:47.800I think the mistake people make is when they attempt to incorporate.
00:50:52.760They think that if they can shift the party just a little to the left, if they could just shift the ideas a little to the left, then they'll go ahead and secure victory.
00:51:21.160You want people who have truly seen the right, said, I've made a mistake, not people who said, oh, I was betrayed, and I was right the whole time.
00:51:31.340Some of my favorite people I like to talk to are leftists.
00:51:34.180I think sometimes they're morons, but they're fun people to talk to, right?
00:51:37.360And they can give you a perspective of what the other side thinks.
00:51:40.600But if you are craving, and this is the problem, whether you call it the neocon cycle or not, if you're craving the approval and attention of leftists, you're a leftist at heart.
00:51:51.940You're not a rightist, and you should go back to that camp and just stop trying to play the act.
00:51:56.820I mean, this is the problem James Lindsay has, right?
00:51:58.640Like, he is a leftist spiritually, and unfortunately, he hasn't decided to go back to his camp.
00:52:05.340He's still doing the left-left-me thing, and he's going to be isolated and alone and cringe for the rest of his days.
00:52:12.420People don't understand that your identification here is not your ideology.
00:52:16.880It's the status hierarchy you're looking at.
00:52:19.240If your status hierarchy you're trying to evaluate yourself in is the leftist one, you're a leftist.
00:52:27.140If you are looking towards a more right-wing hierarchy, then that's the direction.
00:52:31.340Whether or not you, like, are espousing free market capitalism at the time, that's not the critical thing.
00:52:37.980If you are, kind of sociologically, if that's the way you're, the direction you're looking, that's the way you're lining up, that's how you're going to orient yourself in every other aspect.
00:52:49.560It's not just the current checklist of ideology that makes you right-wing or left-wing.
00:52:53.480Trey says, everyone just needs to watch the Michael Moore speech about Trump being a Molotov cocktail for average Americans over and over until they understand the moment we're in.
00:53:35.680The point is, I'm trying to make accurate political assessments.
00:53:39.400And when I do that, mainly because I'm kind of disconnected from, oh, I need to, you know, my vote is the most important thing in the world, and I need to emotionally support the right candidate.
00:53:49.200But because, like, I can kind of disassociate myself from that, I can just look at the facts and say, this is what's happening.
00:53:56.160This is the way that people are approaching this election.
00:53:58.860And it's not about perfect policy positions, and it's not about perfect execution.
00:54:03.400It's I want to throw a Molotov cocktail at the edifice of my enemy.
01:06:00.640You know, a prudentialist is going to be the first guy, I think, to tell you as kind of the
01:06:03.960the the the international relations guy that you need to have a sphere of influence, that geopolitics is real and that you do have to have some level of military intervention or military interest in in foreign conflicts or foreign areas.
01:06:18.900But but but I am I am worried about that phrasing because it does seem to pop up only when people
01:06:24.840are trying to convince me that I need to go to war in the Middle East.
01:06:28.060Yeah, I mean, this also the the isolationist thing has been a slur against Americans that
01:06:33.100wanted a more realistic or were skeptical about our adventurism abroad.
01:06:37.340We saw this most especially during the interwar years and our lead up to World War Two, where there was a lot of distaste in people's mouths for wanting to give money to the Soviets, you know, avowed communists that we had barely normalized relationships with just a few years prior.
01:06:54.780I mean, the unfortunate reality, and this is why it's called a tragedy of great power politics, that America is a great power and, you know, maintaining hegemony and an empire is part and parcel.
01:07:04.260And even leftists, even turned reactionaries like Bill Williams will tell you that, like, empire is a way of life for the United States.
01:07:11.920And it has been since the beginning. The question becomes, like, how do you manage that?
01:07:15.860Do you manage that in a way that benefits the American people or do you do it that manages to benefit everyone but America?
01:07:22.400And unfortunately, the American regime has done everything to hurt America.
01:07:26.760And that's the problem is that the neoconservatives will take advantage of that.
01:07:30.180People on the left will take advantage of that.
01:07:31.740And I get it, right? Like, some people are like, yeah, I work for Raytheon because morality doesn't pay the bills.
01:07:36.540But, you know, I'm also against Raytheon to some extent because, yeah, morality doesn't have to pay the bills.
01:07:41.820But it sure as hell doesn't mean I have to watch my country be turned into an economic zone for your benefit.
01:07:49.020Balthazar for $5 says, I think a major lesson the right needs to learn is that we are both rural and urban, the trade workers and the university bros.
01:08:14.060But I don't really see people who say that ever having a path forward or understanding a way forward that secures them a continuity of culture in those areas.
01:08:24.860It seems like they almost exclusively exist to eventually meld their children into that way of life.
01:08:32.580I don't understand how they plan to actually, like, revive a conservative kind of way of life in those environments.
01:08:44.440I just think it's usually code for a lot of urbanites to tell me that actually they have the right to rule the rural folk.
01:08:56.000And the rural folk need to sit down and shut up and let Shake Shack Americans reign supreme.
01:09:02.080And I just – I'm not unsympathetic to the fact that the cities are important, but every time I hear this, it seems it comes from people who don't really have a plan going forward as to kind of how they're going to turn that two-family conservative beachhead in their kind of urban environment into something that actually builds a vision that is more right-wing.
01:09:28.040Yeah, and I mean, the thing, too, about, like, the urban-rural divide is – as much as people like the debate about, like, Shake Shack nationalism or whatever, thanks, Mystery Grove, for that idea.
01:09:39.000But it really does illustrate that it's not – the geographic divide matters, yes, because it talks about economic opportunity, education, trades, etc.
01:09:47.080But also, it's like folding a map and punching a pen right through the paper.
01:09:50.780The internet has destroyed a lot of the cultural differences between this.
01:09:54.940And I've said this before, and I'll say it again.
01:09:56.680I live in a place where people ride their horses to, like, the park or to school.
01:10:00.840But as soon as they get off that horse and tie it to the Hitchin Post or whatever, it doesn't matter.
01:10:04.700They're still going to sound like every other Zoomer that you see in, you know, a major urban area.
01:10:09.540The culture has been radicalized because of the internet.
01:10:13.420The economic opportunities are vastly different.
01:10:18.100And a lot of places – this goes, especially if you're a Christian – a lot of places where people converted early were the cities.
01:10:24.960The word pagan doesn't mean that there's some strange religion.
01:10:27.720It goes back to the root word for not from the city, an outsider, a ruralite.
01:10:32.920And that's an important thing to consider.
01:10:34.420Like, yes, our cities are a place of culture and change.
01:10:36.660This is why you have that conversation about dark elves, right?
01:10:40.320Like, you know, Yarvin is basically saying, like, the coastal people have the cultural and financial capital to affect change.
01:10:46.080Like, you can either sit back and let them do their job, which is what he wants, but people righteously, and especially for Southerners who have witnessed outsiders try to continue Reconstruction forever, the left likes to treat Reconstruction like it never happened, and it did happen, and it was a good thing, and we should do it more.
01:11:01.340They're, like, the opposite of certain parts of the far right.
01:11:04.060But it does illustrate that I want people who are good rulers, but I also want them to, you know, either have my values or to leave me alone.
01:11:13.960And I know that they won't leave me alone, so they better have my values or have some lists of agreements where we can agree to work together on things.
01:11:22.380And, unfortunately, we see this with the Republican Party, we see this in the dissident right, that there's oftentimes not a lot of agreement and just a lot of people flinging turds at each other across the hallway of the zoo.
01:11:34.160And Cooper Weirdo says, when Hassan goes soft on Trump, then we know AA gets the win. Until then, The Rock will never be president.
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