The Auron MacIntyre Show - April 09, 2025


Trump Gets Supreme Court Win on Deportations ｜ 4⧸9⧸25


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The Supreme Court strikes down a key part of a D.C. judge's ruling that allowed the Trump administration to expel dangerous gang members from the United States. What does this mean for the deportation of illegal immigrants? Will the Supreme Court allow Trump to continue with his plan to deport millions of immigrants?

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00:00:33.360 I am Oren McIntyre.
00:00:36.180 A big win for the Trump administration in the Supreme Court.
00:00:40.300 We see the suspension of a prior ruling by a D.C. judge
00:00:44.400 saying that Donald Trump and his administration could not use the Alien Enemies Act
00:00:50.440 to expel dangerous gang members from the United States.
00:00:55.040 That is now back on.
00:00:56.360 The deportations can continue.
00:00:58.680 However, inside of that ruling, there is also a little bit of a loss for the Trump administration.
00:01:05.400 So we'll be looking at what that is.
00:01:07.480 What are the victories contained in this ruling?
00:01:09.840 And what are the defeats?
00:01:11.640 And yet again, we saw the betrayal of a conservative justice during this.
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00:02:46.860 All right, so like I said, we see a win for Donald Trump in court here this week.
00:02:55.020 Obviously, very important to Donald Trump's promises during the campaign was the assertion
00:03:01.220 that he would be doing mass deportations.
00:03:04.500 We started off strong.
00:03:06.240 We saw a good showing on day one.
00:03:08.880 However, as you probably would have expected if you were actually looking at the process,
00:03:14.240 the Trump administration has to cross a lot of legal hurdles.
00:03:17.880 It's not just the logistics, which are themselves their own problem.
00:03:22.180 It's also the fact that the courts throw a lot of barriers between Trump and deportations.
00:03:28.100 This should be a pretty simple process.
00:03:30.100 People who are not supposed to be here, who didn't go through the legal process to be here,
00:03:35.240 should just be removed.
00:03:36.620 That should be pretty simple.
00:03:38.120 Unfortunately, in the United States, we've built a large network of protections for illegal immigrants.
00:03:45.360 They are afforded all kinds of different rights and allowed to go through the due process
00:03:50.500 of what a citizen would normally go through in many situations.
00:03:54.160 And therefore, it's been very difficult to deport people in general and certainly in mass.
00:03:59.600 And so while most of us, of course, would like to have seen millions of people
00:04:03.740 who aren't supposed to be here deported immediately,
00:04:06.500 it was very obvious that the Trump administration was going to have to build up.
00:04:10.680 They were going to have to set a legal precedent.
00:04:12.780 They're going to have to make sure that the host countries of these illegal aliens would go ahead 1.00
00:04:17.680 and accept their own citizens back.
00:04:20.420 They're going to have to make sure that the judges would not get in the way as they were doing this.
00:04:24.260 And so I predicted, and I wasn't alone, that there would be a gradual ramp up as the Trump administration tested
00:04:31.400 all of these different aspects of deportation.
00:04:35.460 Can we get people back to their home countries? 1.00
00:04:38.280 Will those home countries work with us on deportations?
00:04:42.040 If not, is there another place that we can deport people to?
00:04:45.680 Will the court system get involved?
00:04:47.560 These were all very complicated issues.
00:04:50.100 Now, what the Trump administration decided to do, and I think that this was wise,
00:04:54.380 is start with some of the easiest people, right?
00:04:57.060 Look for gang members.
00:04:59.120 Look for people that you could reasonably assert are guilty of terrorism or involved in terrorist agencies.
00:05:07.080 These are the most threatening people, the ones that are easiest to justify,
00:05:10.960 the ones that the American public won't have a lot of sympathy for.
00:05:14.320 So it's very hard to run out and put them on camera.
00:05:16.540 I know a lot of people wanted the Trump administration to just run out and round up a bunch of people,
00:05:21.820 millions and millions of people, and get them ready for deportation.
00:05:25.000 But if you do that, and then you don't have a place to deport them to,
00:05:28.980 or if you get stuck in court for a year or something,
00:05:32.940 then all of a sudden you have millions of people sitting in detention facilities.
00:05:36.800 And what do you do, right?
00:05:38.140 At that point, you've basically fulfilled the media's whole,
00:05:41.220 oh no, he's going to create concentration camps thing.
00:05:43.820 They start working on that narrative, kids in cages.
00:05:47.160 You start building up all the logistical problems of housing, millions of people,
00:05:52.060 feeding them, medical care, all of these things.
00:05:54.680 Stories start coming out about something bad happening at a detention facility,
00:05:58.560 and the whole program just falls apart.
00:06:01.100 Again, I know some people say, oh, well, that's just cope.
00:06:03.680 They didn't have a plan.
00:06:04.500 Well, whatever, man.
00:06:05.180 If you've got a better explanation as to how you ramp up this stuff facing all of the problems
00:06:09.740 that the Trump administration is facing, then I would certainly like to hear it.
00:06:14.140 And that doesn't mean that the Trump administration isn't blameless.
00:06:16.620 I'm going to talk in a second about how ultimately I do think that the Trump administration
00:06:21.220 is behind the ball on this and has lots of little bit of focus on this.
00:06:25.700 But I do want people to remember that these guys are dealing with a mountain of problems.
00:06:30.680 It's very easy to snipe from the cheap seats about how, oh, well, you should just get it fixed.
00:06:35.740 You should just go in there.
00:06:37.120 And of course, ultimately, that is the job of the executive.
00:06:40.520 That is the job of the administration.
00:06:43.140 But you have to understand that the system is still there.
00:06:46.540 Trump was not elected dictator, as much as some people might wish, and as much as the left might pretend.
00:06:52.960 Ultimately, he still has to work to some extent inside the system.
00:06:56.620 And that means that they need to find things like the 1798 Alien Enemies Act.
00:07:02.320 This is a piece of law that allowed the Trump administration to target gang members,
00:07:08.920 specifically the Trin de Aragua.
00:07:11.860 I'm sure I said that wrong.
00:07:13.340 But the gang from Venezuela, very dangerous gang, very violent, 1.00
00:07:17.100 known for taking over apartment buildings in certain parts of the United States.
00:07:21.400 And these are people that could be credibly labeled as terrorists.
00:07:24.580 And we could credibly label this situation as an invasion.
00:07:27.500 I mean, the Biden administration let in millions of people, including these gang members, on a regular basis.
00:07:33.540 I think it's fair to characterize that as an invasion and therefore invoke the Alien Enemies Act.
00:07:39.560 Now, the good news is that the Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision,
00:07:44.740 suspended the block that was, again, placed on this process by a Washington, D.C. judge.
00:07:51.080 And as you can tell by the 5-4 count, that's not exactly right.
00:07:55.600 We're supposed to have six conservative judges, in theory, right, of course.
00:07:59.540 But that's never how it works.
00:08:00.880 You need a supermajority, basically, of conservatives
00:08:04.460 just to deal with the fact that you're always going to have at least one conservative justice
00:08:08.700 that the defects betrays on a regular basis.
00:08:13.100 And sometimes it's Roberts.
00:08:14.660 But in this case, unsurprisingly, it was Amy Cohn and Barrett.
00:08:21.080 Now, she has defected on several rulings at this point.
00:08:26.900 And Barrett sided with all the other female justices. 0.94
00:08:29.880 So this vote was literally a male-female vote, 5-4 down the line.
00:08:36.080 Excuse me.
00:08:37.060 I don't know.
00:08:37.680 Throw it there.
00:08:38.540 But yeah, it's a 5-4 vote down the line.
00:08:42.260 And very interesting that that's the way that this broke.
00:08:45.560 A lot of people pointing out that, unfortunately, that seems to be more of the alignment
00:08:50.620 within what was the actual political appointment, the positions that people were supposed to hold.
00:08:56.260 And so, as always, this really throws into question how you're vetting judges
00:09:01.280 when you so predictably have conservatives that ultimately end up siding with the left on so many issues.
00:09:07.420 However, the point is, ultimately, Trump did win this victory.
00:09:13.120 They are allowed to go back in and start using the Alien Enemies Act to deport these foreign nationals.
00:09:20.480 Now, like I said in the opening, there is a problem, right?
00:09:25.120 There is an issue in this ruling.
00:09:27.860 It is a win.
00:09:29.320 However, there's a pretty big setback hidden inside this win.
00:09:34.040 And the setback is that, ultimately, the Supreme Court, and this was like all of the justices agreed on this, unfortunately,
00:09:42.160 they decided that all of these gang members should receive some form of judicial review,
00:09:48.740 some form of due process before they are deported.
00:09:52.480 And that's a big problem because I think the Trump administration was ultimately expecting to use this
00:09:57.720 as somewhat of a summary deportation mechanism,
00:10:00.960 a way to get the most dangerous people out of the country as fast as possible
00:10:05.720 without having to go through a bunch of hearings, schedule that, lawyers, everything that's involved.
00:10:12.400 Now, a lot of people might say, well, of course you want due process.
00:10:16.820 You don't want to send the wrong person out of the country.
00:10:19.400 But there's a real problem here.
00:10:21.400 And I actually got into a little bit of a back and forth on Twitter
00:10:24.960 with a guy named Clint Russell.
00:10:27.420 He's, I believe, part of the Liberty Lockdown podcast.
00:10:30.860 I think he runs that podcast.
00:10:32.700 Now, I'd like to say before I get started on discussing kind of this back and forth,
00:10:36.480 I've never met Clint, but from what I've heard, he's a good guy.
00:10:39.580 Everybody who I know who knows him likes him.
00:10:42.540 Yeah, they might not always agree on his positions in the same way that I don't agree with his positions here.
00:10:47.220 But they've all said, hey, he's a good guy acting in good faith.
00:10:49.860 And so I want to make it clear, as I discuss kind of the back and forth that he and I had,
00:10:54.100 this is not Internet drama.
00:10:55.500 This is not me decrying him.
00:10:58.700 I'm just pointing out that we had this difference.
00:11:01.080 And I think the difference is important because it reveals a mentality problem inside,
00:11:06.200 which is present with some conservatives, but definitely libertarians on this issue.
00:11:11.260 So Clint pointed out that he thinks that the Supreme Court basically got it right
00:11:16.140 and that the Trump administration should be allowed to deport people
00:11:19.800 and should be allowed to use this specific piece of law in order to deport people.
00:11:25.280 But ultimately, he believes that there has to be due process for these people who are getting deported.
00:11:32.740 And I basically just said, OK, Clint, I need you to give me some help with the math here, right?
00:11:38.900 Because let's say that Joe Biden let in six or eight million people.
00:11:44.060 That's probably not an outrageous number to guess at how many illegal aliens entered into the United States
00:11:50.640 during the Biden administration.
00:11:53.480 Let's say that, yes, six, eight million people came across the border during that time.
00:11:58.620 If your assertion is that every one of those people has to receive due process in order to be deported,
00:12:05.580 then we're going to need to put six to eight million court cases through the system.
00:12:11.540 Those people are going to receive attorneys at American taxpayer expense
00:12:17.400 because that's how we understand the law in the United States,
00:12:20.600 that your right to an attorney has to be funded by the American taxpayer.
00:12:25.780 And even if you're not an American, if you're getting due process laws, then the rest apply to you.
00:12:30.680 So we're going to be setting up a situation where we glut the system with six to eight million cases
00:12:36.640 and we have to adjudicate every one of those.
00:12:39.900 Now, if you go through that, how are you ever going to deport the number of people that Joe Biden let in in one term?
00:12:48.780 Just one term.
00:12:50.060 We're not even talking about the at least 30 million people who are already here, at least 30 million.
00:12:56.040 And that's a very conservative number, at least 30 million people before Joe Biden.
00:13:00.520 So so probably 36 to 38 million people, again, very conservatively here illegally.
00:13:07.040 How are you going to get through that?
00:13:09.180 Like, how are you actually going to deport that many people?
00:13:13.480 And I didn't you know, there didn't seem to be much of an answer there.
00:13:18.480 Clint kind of came back and he said, well, I only want it to apply to the people who are being deported to El Salvador.
00:13:25.580 Right. So for those who don't know, one of the major problems like I spoke about previously with the mass deportations is you need to send all these people back somewhere.
00:13:35.460 You can't just throw them out of the country.
00:13:37.420 I mean, to me, you could you take them to the nearest border, deposit them there.
00:13:42.900 And that's someone else's problem.
00:13:44.020 But ultimately, you do have to work with other countries.
00:13:47.100 You do have to have diplomatic ties with those countries.
00:13:49.620 And they're probably not just going to ignore millions of people suddenly showing up inside their borders.
00:13:55.440 So you need to have some kind of agreement where these countries will take their own citizens back.
00:14:00.440 And guess what? Most of these countries don't want those culturally enriched immigrants who built countries. 0.94
00:14:07.280 So weird, isn't it? That these people who built America, we're told, we're told that immigrants are better than American citizens.
00:14:13.920 They're the very best of the world. They're only coming here because they love the United States and freedom.
00:14:18.920 And they're going to get here and they're going to start businesses and start families and be super religious, upstanding citizens.
00:14:24.800 And for some reason, the home countries of these just absolutely amazing human beings don't want them.
00:14:32.280 So strange. So strange that these amazing, economically advantageous, morally superior individuals who cross into our borders from foreign countries, their home countries just don't want them back. 1.00
00:14:44.620 Very surprising. Right.
00:14:45.880 So if you are working with another country, obviously, you want to put pressure on them. 0.99
00:14:52.200 You can use multiple ways to put pressure on them. Tariffs, one of them.
00:14:56.140 We'll get to that in a second. But you can put pressure on them in multiple ways.
00:14:59.760 Diplomatic pressure, economic pressure, all these different things to try to get them to take back their citizens.
00:15:05.540 But ultimately, if they don't want to and they don't fall to the pressure, then the only thing you can really do other than like go to war with those nations and force them to take their own people back is deport those people somewhere else.
00:15:20.100 So if they can't go back to their home nation, they have to go somewhere else. 1.00
00:15:23.880 Now, somewhere else that they've been going is El Salvador.
00:15:27.400 Bukele, the president there, has offered for a fee to house the illegal immigrants that can't go anywhere else. 0.99
00:15:34.960 Now, it's not an ideal situation. We want to deport these people back to their home countries first. 1.00
00:15:40.540 That is the first way we're trying to do this.
00:15:43.360 However, I want to remind you, and somehow this gets lost in it, because, again, Clint kept saying, well, a lot of these people aren't violent.
00:15:49.600 They're not violent. And I want to be really clear.
00:15:51.700 I do not care if they're violent.
00:15:55.020 I mean, I want to get rid of the violent ones, too.
00:15:57.920 I want to get rid of the violent ones first.
00:16:00.080 But if you are not supposed to be in my country and you not only entered my country illegally, but you refuse to leave.
00:16:07.680 Then I really don't care what happens to you next.
00:16:11.300 Like you entered a place illegally.
00:16:13.780 You refuse to leave the place after being legally required to do so.
00:16:19.340 So, you know, you're here against the law.
00:16:23.740 You know that you've been asked to leave.
00:16:26.340 You don't care.
00:16:27.540 You're actively violating the law multiple times.
00:16:30.600 You're not just some peaceful person anymore.
00:16:33.660 You're an active, willful criminal.
00:16:35.560 And I don't want you here.
00:16:37.720 It's very simple.
00:16:38.760 If you walked into my home and said, I am staying here.
00:16:44.400 And I'm like, get out, leave.
00:16:45.900 I've asked you to leave.
00:16:46.780 You know you're here illegally. 0.87
00:16:48.120 You're still in my home.
00:16:49.640 I'm not going to sit there and wait until you, like, violently assault my family to remove you from my home.
00:16:57.720 That's not how that's going to work.
00:16:59.520 I'm not going to verify that you were allowed to be in my home.
00:17:02.480 I'm not going to, like, I'm going to get you out of my house with whatever force is necessary.
00:17:08.760 And so this idea that a person who has entered my country illegally is abusing the law, refusing to leave, that, well, they're just fine because they're not violent.
00:17:22.000 I don't care.
00:17:23.640 Go home.
00:17:24.840 Get out of my country.
00:17:26.120 You don't belong here.
00:17:28.100 This is our home.
00:17:29.540 We have the right to defend it.
00:17:31.080 We have the right to tell you to leave.
00:17:33.120 And if you don't leave, we have the right to expel you with force.
00:17:37.620 It's really that simple.
00:17:39.140 And I don't know why this is so hard for some people.
00:17:42.260 Like, illegal immigration is not a minor crime.
00:17:45.660 It's not jaywalking.
00:17:47.460 These are people who are destroying our country.
00:17:50.540 And I don't care if they violently assaulted someone or if they're working on a construction site.
00:17:57.500 They shouldn't be here.
00:17:59.980 They've been told to leave.
00:18:02.140 They are refusing to leave.
00:18:04.320 At that point, they are hostile.
00:18:06.800 They are a hostile actor in violation of our laws, and they need to go.
00:18:11.560 And they are not U.S. citizens.
00:18:13.840 We are not planning to keep them here, and so due process should not apply to them.
00:18:22.540 It's really that simple.
00:18:24.180 And if due process does apply to these people, we're just never, ever getting rid of them.
00:18:30.880 We're just never doing it.
00:18:33.120 It's never going to happen.
00:18:35.200 Now, I understand the concern.
00:18:36.540 A mistake could be made, right?
00:18:38.080 The wrong person could be thrown in jail.
00:18:41.180 They may not be a gang member.
00:18:42.660 Okay, tough.
00:18:44.820 They should have gone home.
00:18:46.820 They were warned.
00:18:48.580 They knew what would happen if they stayed, and they stayed anyway.
00:18:53.240 My sympathy is zero.
00:18:55.460 You end up in a prison in El Salvador after breaking the law here and refusing to leave after being asked?
00:19:04.000 Well, I guess you got the consequences of your actions.
00:19:07.300 Congratulations.
00:19:07.860 I do not understand the obsession with pretending that people are here illegally and refusing to leave are just committing, like, a tiny little minor crime.
00:19:19.660 No, absolutely not.
00:19:22.120 These people are criminals.
00:19:23.700 They should be expelled from my country immediately. 0.85
00:19:27.380 And that was what the Trump administration was trying to do with the Alien Enemies Act.
00:19:33.120 Now, with this assertion by the court that there must be some level of judicial review, that means that we cannot continue to expel these gang members in the same way, right?
00:19:50.000 And that is a loss if that holds.
00:19:52.100 Now, it's not clear from the ruling so far what is actually involved in the court review process.
00:19:59.080 This is all kind of making it up as they go, you know, testing out in court, seeing what happens next.
00:20:06.080 Okay, if we do this much of a review, does that work?
00:20:08.960 Again, there's just – it's not very clear as to what this is going to look like.
00:20:13.360 So maybe there could be a perfunctory process that you're still able to kind of get these guys out the door much faster than you would otherwise.
00:20:21.060 And so it's still kind of a bonus in general.
00:20:23.640 It's still kind of a win in general.
00:20:25.060 That would be great.
00:20:26.060 We just don't know yet.
00:20:27.140 We just don't know what that's going to look like.
00:20:28.800 And so I can't tell you one way or another whether ultimately this is going to be a win that allows them to keep the deportations rolling as quickly.
00:20:37.700 Maybe they have to slow it down a little bit.
00:20:39.200 Maybe it completely blows up the ability to kind of get these guys out in a timely manner.
00:20:43.680 It's just too early to tell.
00:20:45.660 And we're still waiting to kind of understand more and more about what this looks like.
00:20:49.820 However, even though the Supreme Court ultimately, I guess, sided with Clint in this one.
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00:21:28.000 But I just think ultimately it's wrong.
00:21:31.580 Because, like, the whole point of the due process, if you're arguing for due process in the manner that Clint was arguing for it, then you're kind of arguing for a principle, right?
00:21:41.020 The reason you want due process is you think that, like, everyone should be afforded it.
00:21:44.620 That's how the government should operate, even for non-citizens.
00:21:47.400 I disagree quite severely.
00:21:49.780 But, obviously, the case law in this case will be on Clint's side.
00:21:53.540 However, if it continues to be on Clint's side and the Trump administration continues to honor it and all of that, then I really don't see how mass deportations ever occur.
00:22:04.720 If you have to put every single illegal alien in this country on trial, basically, before they can be expelled, then it's just never going to happen.
00:22:15.660 We're not going to hold 30 to 40 million cases.
00:22:21.040 Like, that's just not going to happen.
00:22:22.140 We're not going to hold 30 to 40 million trials.
00:22:24.560 That's never going to happen.
00:22:26.540 So either you have the right to expel people entering your country or you don't. 0.99
00:22:31.900 Because at this rate, you could, as a Republican, you could get elected, spend your entire term expelling every single person that was let in by the previous Democrat and still fall behind.
00:22:43.740 You will never, ever catch up because you're just never going to be able—if Democrats can let illegal aliens into the United States without due process, without having them go through the actual naturalization process, but Republicans cannot remove them without due process, that means that Democrats can let in 6 million people in the same time it takes Republicans to maybe expel a couple hundred thousand. 0.67
00:23:10.880 And you'll just never win.
00:23:12.920 The country is over, to be clear.
00:23:15.900 If that stands, if that's actually how it works, if we're really going to play by those rules and we really believe that, then just stick a fork in the country.
00:23:23.880 It's done.
00:23:24.500 You'll never get there.
00:23:25.860 It'll never happen.
00:23:27.260 You have to accelerate the rate of deportations.
00:23:29.280 And the only way to accelerate the rate of deportations is to have a mechanism by which you can expedite it.
00:23:35.920 There's just no way you're going to get 30 to 40 million people through the judicial system and then deported to their home countries of origin against the will of those home countries of origin.
00:23:47.220 There has to be some level of practical application here.
00:23:51.260 You can tell me you want mass deportations.
00:23:53.460 You can tell me you're against illegal immigration.
00:23:55.640 You can tell me that you think the Biden administration was a criminal administration for doing what they did.
00:24:01.300 But if you are not willing to expel the people that they let in, then you're just blowing smoke.
00:24:07.120 It's just all rhetoric.
00:24:08.320 If your principles are the principles that every person who walks across the border in the United States, even if they do so illegally, immediately receives every single right that an American citizen has, well, then how do you ever expect to deport anyone in the United States?
00:24:29.080 It's just not going to work.
00:24:30.300 And because of the way that birthright citizenship still works currently in the United States, we haven't gotten through.
00:24:36.200 Obviously, that's going to be challenged in the courts and everything involved there.
00:24:38.940 But given the fact that anyone who's born on United States soil is going to have a vote, basically, then every generation that you, every presidential cycle that you lose is going to be one in which the Democrats get to add, you know, millions of voters to the rolls a decade or two down the road.
00:25:00.240 You're never going to win.
00:25:01.320 They've hacked democracy.
00:25:02.620 It's over.
00:25:03.160 There's just no way that you're going to figure this out.
00:25:05.900 And so I think it's really, really important.
00:25:08.940 That people who are serious about this start to think, I get it.
00:25:12.540 Like the idea, oh, no due process.
00:25:14.140 That sounds terrifying.
00:25:15.180 Oh, an innocent person could get thrown in a jail in El Salvador.
00:25:19.000 Well, they won't be innocent.
00:25:20.020 They're a criminal.
00:25:20.900 Twice over.
00:25:21.800 But okay.
00:25:22.780 Yes.
00:25:23.340 There could be people who aren't murderers who are placed in a jail in El Salvador.
00:25:28.580 They probably should have left then.
00:25:30.920 That's what we call a consequence to your actions.
00:25:33.960 Once again, if you walk into my home and you refuse to leave and I throw you out the door and you break your arm on the way out, then your arm was broken because you were a criminal.
00:25:46.360 You were stupid.
00:25:47.520 Like, you're not just some innocent person who got their arm broken.
00:25:51.740 You're a criminal invading my home.
00:25:54.360 These people are invaders.
00:25:56.060 They should not be here.
00:25:57.800 So, sorry, if one of them who broke the law multiple times and refused to leave and refused to apologize, if they end up in a prison, but they didn't, like, I don't know, stab somebody, well, sorry, but I don't feel that bad for them.
00:26:13.200 They should have gone home when they were told.
00:26:15.480 They were warned.
00:26:16.520 They knew they were in violation of law.
00:26:18.740 They knew that consequences were coming.
00:26:20.780 And they thought that they would just run the gamut anyway.
00:26:23.620 They thought they would either ignore the laws of the United States, disrespect the people of the United States, or manipulate the legal system of the United States and basically your delusional, you know, principled idea of due process in order to exploit and stay in the United States.
00:26:40.920 They are not good people.
00:26:42.340 I do not care what you think.
00:26:44.100 They are not good people.
00:26:45.300 If they were good people, they would have followed the law and gone home.
00:26:49.580 But they aren't.
00:26:50.620 They're selfish, and they want to stay here and violate the law.
00:26:54.560 They do not care, and they will not go home, and so I do not care how they are removed.
00:26:58.900 Period.
00:26:59.780 That's it.
00:27:00.740 It's really that simple.
00:27:01.720 It should be that easy.
00:27:03.540 And yet, people arguing, oh, well, no, we got to put all these people through.
00:27:07.320 Even if you just did it with the people going to the prison in El Salvador, the courts are going to tie that up forever, man.
00:27:13.520 You have to have some level of, again, just practical understanding.
00:27:18.800 I get it.
00:27:19.400 You're a libertarian.
00:27:20.860 You like the abstract principle, right?
00:27:22.420 Like, that's, you know, why think about the practical application of any political project when you could debate the, you know, the abstract principle of the project?
00:27:31.280 I understand.
00:27:31.700 However, I would like to save my country.
00:27:37.980 I want my neighborhood to be safe.
00:27:40.320 I want my family to be able to walk around.
00:27:43.080 I want a sovereign nation.
00:27:46.800 And I have principles on how that's done, but sorry, if you are someone who is here illegally and refuses to leave, then my principle is you should be expelled. 0.76
00:27:57.440 Those are my principles.
00:27:58.380 It's really that simple.
00:28:00.080 It's the same principle I have for anyone who walks into my home without invitation.
00:28:04.080 You get a verbal warning.
00:28:05.820 Get out.
00:28:07.460 You know you're in violation of the law.
00:28:09.500 You know you've been warned.
00:28:10.580 You've been asked to leave.
00:28:11.980 Okay, now you're going no matter how you need to go.
00:28:15.080 I'm not sitting around waiting for you to stab someone.
00:28:18.600 Not sitting around waiting for you to shoot or rob someone.
00:28:22.060 Sorry.
00:28:22.660 Like, you have to go.
00:28:23.580 So that's it.
00:28:26.040 Now, one of the problems, of course, that we're facing is the rate of deportations.
00:28:30.900 And, again, you have to give the Trump administration some leeway.
00:28:35.640 You have to give them some ramp up, right?
00:28:37.040 It takes time to get this done.
00:28:38.980 Again, logistically, legally, diplomatically, all of these things are factors you have to consider as you prepare.
00:28:46.760 And the Trump administration has only been in power for a few months.
00:28:50.100 So there has to be some understanding of what's going on.
00:28:53.940 That said, it does feel like the pace is not great.
00:28:58.860 You know, I have been someone who's pointed out that you do not need to deport all 40 plus thousand or 40,000.
00:29:06.620 That'd be nice.
00:29:07.220 All 40 million illegal immigrants or whatever the actual number is.
00:29:11.100 The fact that we don't even have a close estimate is itself its own problem.
00:29:14.280 But you do not have to actually deport every one of these people.
00:29:18.980 However, you have to make it as inhospitable as possible for them to stay.
00:29:24.520 You deport the worst of the worst, and you make it hard for the rest to live here. 1.00
00:29:28.660 And many of them leave on their own.
00:29:30.000 Now, I want to give credit where it's due.
00:29:32.460 The Trump administration has already seen a drastic drop in border crossings, like night and day.
00:29:39.860 So the number of people coming into the country is already much, much, much lower, which is huge. 0.99
00:29:46.460 That is no small feat.
00:29:48.320 They deserve a lot of credit for that.
00:29:50.580 The cutting, the supply coming in is itself a huge move, right?
00:29:55.960 So there's a big change there.
00:29:58.720 Also, despite the fact that we've seen so many people arguing, you know, inside Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy
00:30:05.600 and some of these people who are kind of part of the Trump coalition, we've seen them arguing for more immigration.
00:30:12.200 Even Trump himself has talked about stapling green cards, diplomas.
00:30:15.400 Even though we've heard that about H-1Bs and universities and these kind of things,
00:30:20.600 we're seeing fewer and fewer foreign student visas coming in.
00:30:24.860 So these are positive things, right?
00:30:26.480 Those are positive steps.
00:30:27.600 Again, I want to give credit where it's due.
00:30:29.320 The Trump administration is doing good things.
00:30:31.540 This is not just me being critical of the Trump administration.
00:30:33.600 However, we need to see the pace stepped up.
00:30:37.620 And there are things that you can do that are not just physical removal,
00:30:42.060 though we need to increase the level of physical removal as well.
00:30:45.800 We should be seeing, at the very least, a complete freeze on Chinese students coming into the United States. 0.90
00:30:55.800 There's simply no reason for a single Chinese national to enter the United States at this point.
00:31:02.580 No reason.
00:31:03.600 I've been told that China is an existential threat to the United States, an absolute existential threat to the United States.
00:31:09.860 They're going to take over the world, China is. 1.00
00:31:11.600 But for some reason, we're still importing Chinese nationals into the United States.
00:31:17.700 We just had Chinese nationals who were in the U.S. military who were caught spying.
00:31:21.480 We know this happens in universities all the time.
00:31:23.920 We know that intellectual property theft is rampant among Chinese nationals that come into the United States. 1.00
00:31:31.600 And yet, we continue to educate them in our universities.
00:31:35.260 We continue to place them in prominent positions in our major institutions.
00:31:38.700 Why?
00:31:40.700 If you really mean what you're saying, if you're really telling me that these people are so dangerous, then why are they still here?
00:31:47.700 Stuff like that is very simple.
00:31:49.620 You just stop issuing visas to anyone from China at all, student or otherwise.
00:31:54.380 Just stop.
00:31:55.040 That's another way you can cut immigration. 0.96
00:31:58.120 But we're just not doing it.
00:31:59.280 And I don't know why.
00:32:00.420 We're raising tariffs on China.
00:32:01.680 We'll get to more wood tariffs in a second.
00:32:04.320 But we're increasing tariffs.
00:32:05.520 But for some reason, we keep taking their students.
00:32:07.180 We keep educating their leaders.
00:32:08.760 We keep giving them access to our corporations and our institutions.
00:32:12.180 It makes absolutely no sense.
00:32:13.440 The other thing that you should definitely be doing is taxing remittances, right?
00:32:21.500 A big part of why people come to the United States and work is that they can take that money and send it home, where it's a lot more money.
00:32:29.800 The lower-wage jobs in the United States are still providing an income that will put you in the middle class in many other countries.
00:32:37.020 And so the ability to come to the United States and work a mediocre job but send that money back to your home country is huge for a lot of people.
00:32:45.180 There's zero reasons we should be allowing that.
00:32:48.060 It's very simple.
00:32:49.760 You cannot send money back home to another country without getting a very significant tax on that money, a massive tax on that money.
00:32:57.820 Not only will that create revenue for the United States, not only will it allow us to maybe ease the tax burden on other aspects.
00:33:06.140 I mean, we're going through all this tariff stuff.
00:33:08.940 Why not do remittances?
00:33:10.860 Why not?
00:33:11.360 If our goal is to raise money for the United States while also reducing the incentive for foreign workers to illegally enter the United States, why not tax the money that they send out to their families? 0.90
00:33:24.540 It's very simple.
00:33:26.280 Now, obviously, some of the answers to this is that Trump can do things as president that Congress won't do yet, right?
00:33:35.540 So, like, he has more control over tariffs than he does other taxes as the chief executive.
00:33:41.800 So some of it is just the ease of things you can do, right?
00:33:44.720 However, we need to get the ball rolling on that stuff.
00:33:47.440 We need to get the legislation passed.
00:33:49.480 And I don't want to hear from Republicans any problems with this stuff.
00:33:53.340 Explain to me very slowly, Republican Congress members, why we can't tax people who are here illegally sending money back out of the country.
00:34:01.140 Like, I want to hear Republican congressmen explain that to their home districts.
00:34:07.340 I really do.
00:34:08.060 Because that should be a relatively easy thing to get done.
00:34:11.140 So there are multiple ways we should be increasing physical deportations, but we should also be encouraging self-deportations. 0.66
00:34:20.480 And the last one, of course, is the obvious one.
00:34:22.440 It's the hardest one because it's the one that Republican donors don't like.
00:34:26.640 It's the big businesses don't like.
00:34:28.060 The Chamber of Commerce Republicans don't like it.
00:34:29.900 But we should be enforcing E-Verify.
00:34:32.180 We should be enforcing a check on every employee as to whether or not they're legally in this country.
00:34:38.340 We should be cracking it down on people who hire illegals, and they should face very severe fines. 1.00
00:34:45.520 That's a very obvious one.
00:34:46.800 Again, not popular.
00:34:48.580 A lot of donors aren't going to like that. 0.91
00:34:50.440 However, very easy way.
00:34:52.360 People are not going to show up to the United States if they can't get a job, they can't get welfare, they can't get benefits.
00:34:58.200 They're just not going to do it.
00:34:59.900 So, really need to see some other things mixed in here.
00:35:07.560 Again, it's not that the Trump administration isn't doing important work.
00:35:11.740 It's not that they don't have a lot of legal hurdles they have to get over.
00:35:15.440 It's not that they haven't, you know, had a plan going in.
00:35:19.980 But we need to see an acceleration.
00:35:21.540 And some of the concern of this is that ultimately the deportation stuff, the immigration stuff, is getting lost in the shuffle with other agendas,
00:35:29.320 especially the tariff discussion.
00:35:31.940 Now, on the tariff discussion, obviously, big news today.
00:35:36.660 If you haven't seen it yet, big break.
00:35:38.880 Donald Trump declared through his truth posts over on True Social that we are going to be suspending most of the tariffs for 90 days because so many countries have come to the table ready to make a deal.
00:35:54.100 So many countries, I think he said something like 75 countries have already contacted the United States trying to figure out how they could lower tariffs or work out, you know, more favorable trade deals, you know, maybe reshore some stuff.
00:36:06.380 And so he said, we're going to be putting a hold on most of those tariffs.
00:36:12.520 However, there is still a 10 percent reciprocal tariff in effect that will continue to be there, much less than was suggested in other scenarios.
00:36:22.940 However, still there, still significant to some degree.
00:36:26.340 On top of that, he's going to be doing a 125 percent tariff on Chinese goods because ultimately China was always the target for these tariffs.
00:36:38.940 Now, obviously, a lot of people went screaming into the night over the last few days as the announcement for the tariffs have come.
00:36:45.800 We've seen the markets, you know, they've not been doing well.
00:36:48.840 They started dipping.
00:36:50.260 You know, people are panicking.
00:36:51.420 It's the end.
00:36:52.020 We're going to get a recession.
00:36:53.060 It's economic collapse.
00:36:54.120 Everything's over.
00:36:54.860 Well, it turns out, no, that that's not the case.
00:36:58.680 Actually, the markets are starting to rebound as we speak on the news of what's going on there.
00:37:03.880 And ultimately, that that's probably not going to see long term damage, but we'll have to see.
00:37:08.420 Remember, Donald Trump is doing something that is relatively unprecedented.
00:37:13.880 And that's scary, right?
00:37:15.500 You know, Machiavelli told us that the greatest honor and the greatest danger comes from instituting new orders, new modes and orders.
00:37:23.980 And so Donald Trump trying something that no one else has tried that's outside the system.
00:37:28.660 It's either visionary or a failure.
00:37:30.440 Right.
00:37:30.760 And you might say, oh, well, that's that sounds dangerous.
00:37:32.780 That's scary.
00:37:33.660 OK, but that's also what leadership looks like.
00:37:36.520 You've had a lot of safe and easy handed to you.
00:37:38.940 You've had the consensus opinion handed to you.
00:37:41.080 How is that working?
00:37:41.800 I've been fascinated to watch people who have been screaming for years about how bad the economy was.
00:37:49.160 Oh, no one can get a job. 0.78
00:37:50.560 No one can get a decent education.
00:37:52.800 No one can get a home.
00:37:54.220 Too much foreign labor. 1.00
00:37:55.480 All of you know, we have unfavorable trade with all of these different places.
00:38:00.060 Inflation out of control.
00:38:01.260 Yada.
00:38:01.580 Yeah.
00:38:01.740 All this stuff.
00:38:02.620 Right.
00:38:02.940 And then all of a sudden, Trump says, well, I'm going to change some of that.
00:38:06.280 And they're like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, not not my terrible economy, not the economy I've been telling you is so bad for so long.
00:38:13.040 I don't get it.
00:38:14.000 They hated the system.
00:38:14.920 But someone said, OK, well, let's try to reform the system.
00:38:17.400 And they lose their mind.
00:38:22.100 So.
00:38:23.600 I've also seen people say, well, Trump just failed.
00:38:26.120 What happened is he put all these put all these tariffs out there.
00:38:29.960 They failed.
00:38:31.000 And now he's retreating.
00:38:32.440 Right.
00:38:34.140 I am very confused.
00:38:36.280 They're like smart people are saying this.
00:38:37.780 And I am very confused because Donald Trump has done exactly the same thing every single time he's negotiated.
00:38:44.580 He wrote a book about how he negotiates the art of the deal.
00:38:50.080 He makes the big ask and then he pulls back and gets something he actually wanted.
00:38:55.680 Right.
00:38:56.260 He has explained this so many times.
00:38:58.620 It's comical.
00:38:59.700 He does this every single time.
00:39:01.480 If you have watched this show, I have made this exact point going into the tariff battle.
00:39:05.460 That this would be how it worked.
00:39:07.620 That Donald Trump would ask for more than he expected to receive and let people freak out and let people get shocked and let people, you know, get used to the idea of the worst possible thing for them.
00:39:19.720 And then he would come to the table with a more reasonable offer.
00:39:25.900 And because the first offer was so outlandish and so painful, they would look at the new offer and say, oh, thank God, I'll take that.
00:39:33.100 This is called anchoring for people who are trying to understand this.
00:39:37.880 I have done entire episodes on the strategy, why it works rhetorically, why it works as a big business practice.
00:39:43.880 You set an anchor well beyond where you expect to go.
00:39:48.700 And then you pull back and everything you say looks more moderate in comparison.
00:39:53.500 So you have a more radical thing out there and then you pull back and you offer something that seems far more reasonable.
00:40:00.820 Something that probably would have not gotten a yes previously that would have seemed crazy previously.
00:40:06.380 But now that you have that really radical thing out there, it starts to look like a deal.
00:40:11.400 It starts to look like a break that you're getting by not having to go through this.
00:40:15.680 We've done this over and over and over again.
00:40:18.360 Trump has used exactly this strategy and yet even conservative pundits seem to be shocked every time he does it.
00:40:27.800 And I don't understand.
00:40:29.700 Like, I don't get it.
00:40:31.040 Like, if you're a professional political watcher, can you please remember that Donald Trump literally wrote a book about his strategy and just does it over and over again?
00:40:42.760 Like, can you save us the hysteria?
00:40:44.900 Can you save us the insanity?
00:40:46.360 Can you save yourself the embarrassment and just pay attention to what the man both has said and written and done at every turn?
00:40:54.940 Can we do that, please?
00:40:56.600 Because it's really exhausting.
00:40:58.580 Okay.
00:40:58.900 Now, again, I've heard some people just say, well, Trump got defeated.
00:41:02.020 Okay, man.
00:41:02.880 Like, if you say so.
00:41:03.860 Like, if you think that ultimately Donald Trump was really expecting to just slap, like, 40% tariffs on every country in the world simultaneously.
00:41:12.500 Okay.
00:41:13.380 Like, if that's actually what you believe, I don't know that I can help you, man.
00:41:15.980 I really can't.
00:41:17.100 Like, I don't know what to say.
00:41:18.860 Now, obviously, there's a mix of goals here, right?
00:41:22.860 Simultaneously, Trump wants fairer trade deals.
00:41:25.240 He wants better trade deals with the countries he's involved in.
00:41:28.180 And to the extent we can, we'd like to reshore as much manufacturing as possible, right?
00:41:33.960 We want to re-industrialize to some extent.
00:41:36.260 And I'm going to do, I just wrote a piece.
00:41:38.220 It'll be out probably later today on The Blaze.
00:41:40.360 I'll talk about it later, probably tomorrow on the show.
00:41:43.720 But basically explaining why re-industrialization is so important.
00:41:48.060 However, some people said, oh, well, if Trump's plan is to re-industrialize, then the trade deals are no good because that means that people will still be trading.
00:41:55.480 And, of course, that's true, right?
00:41:56.780 If they continue to trade instead of re-industrialize, then that's one less factory that got moved back here, right?
00:42:03.000 But it was always going to be the case that everything wasn't going to move back here.
00:42:06.840 But the goal was to get as much back stateside as possible while ultimately getting better deals in general.
00:42:13.440 You're not going to get everything you want, but you want to get as much as you can.
00:42:17.140 And that's what Trump is doing.
00:42:18.760 Again, it feels pretty obvious.
00:42:21.040 And yet people are still crazy about this.
00:42:23.480 Plus, there's still a massive tariff on China.
00:42:26.600 It's like 125%.
00:42:28.320 Like, it's huge.
00:42:29.500 So, obviously, this is going to continue to still have impacts when it comes to reshoring industries.
00:42:36.520 And the fact that people have just, like, completely forgotten this, again, it blows my mind.
00:42:40.900 I just don't understand it.
00:42:42.700 The man has performed exactly the same maneuver.
00:42:45.480 It's like watching a boxer who has exactly one move.
00:42:49.900 He's got one move, right?
00:42:51.380 Like, he has one good punch.
00:42:54.280 And all he does, he makes his entire skill set is about setting up that punch and delivering that punch.
00:43:00.320 And despite the fact that he has telegraphed that punch, he has boasted about that punch, that every analyst has seen that punch, that he wrote a book about the punch.
00:43:11.980 Somehow, somehow, he still ends the punch over and over again.
00:43:16.640 And everyone's like, how?
00:43:17.700 How could this happen?
00:43:19.000 How could he have used this strategy yet again?
00:43:21.780 Now, you might say the strategy is dumb, but I don't understand why you are surprised by the strategy.
00:43:26.320 That's the part that really blows my mind.
00:43:29.200 So, long story short, glad that Trump won this victory in court.
00:43:35.380 Concerned, ultimately, that we are seeing a situation where due process is probably going to be applied to people who should not have it.
00:43:44.360 It's going to slow things down.
00:43:45.440 I'd like to see an increased focus on the deportations.
00:43:49.620 I care about the re-industrialization stuff.
00:43:52.640 That's really important.
00:43:53.760 But like many Trump supporters, the thing I care the most about is the deportations.
00:43:58.960 And that's where I would like to see the focus.
00:44:00.700 I understand you're the president.
00:44:02.860 You only get so much time.
00:44:04.420 You have to do multiple things at once.
00:44:06.500 You can't just focus on one thing.
00:44:07.940 And also, there's a certain aspect of bringing new things to the table on a regular basis that keeps the media guessing that's something that the Trump administration has done really well.
00:44:16.500 They've just flooded the zone and made it very difficult for the media to hold on to one thing.
00:44:20.780 However, the one thing that will stick is probably economic issues.
00:44:24.240 And so, he does need to be aware of the fact that while I understand the tariff maneuver, if you get everyone soured on you on the deportation stuff, or rather on the tariff stuff, then it becomes very difficult to pass any of the legislation necessarily to properly carry out deportations.
00:44:40.860 Because you do actually need Congress at some point.
00:44:44.220 Like, they do actually have to start passing stuff.
00:44:45.960 So, if you mess up your midterms, you make it very difficult for politicians to work with you, then you're going to have a very serious issue when it comes to the actual deportations at the end of the day.
00:44:55.220 And I would like that to be the focus.
00:44:57.120 Again, not that I don't think the tariff stuff matters.
00:45:01.100 Not that I don't think the reindustrialization matters.
00:45:03.460 I think it's very important.
00:45:04.720 However, if there's a priority for everyone who supported Donald Trump, let's be really clear.
00:45:10.060 It is absolutely deporting people who should not be here. 0.99
00:45:13.740 And that should be the main focus.
00:45:14.940 All right, guys.
00:45:16.260 Let's head over to the questions of the people real quick.
00:45:23.420 From Oren McIntyre, can't say my name, so I changed it.
00:45:26.500 Well, thank you, sir.
00:45:27.260 I appreciate you taking the time to make a more palatable name so we can actually read it.
00:45:32.600 He says, I tried to discuss the biblical forgiveness topic with my parents yesterday, and they couldn't wrap their head around the repentance first.
00:45:38.460 I love them, but I just wish boomers were blinded by hippie Christianity. 0.73
00:45:42.340 You know, and it's not just the boomers.
00:45:44.460 I saw people saying, well, that's not the orthodox Christian belief.
00:45:48.920 Orthodox, you know, ortho bros, they have to, you know, they ignore the repentance stuff. 0.95
00:45:54.180 Again, I don't know if that's true.
00:45:56.060 I don't know much about orthodox doctrine.
00:45:57.960 But I had a lot of people talking about that.
00:46:00.060 It's not just the boomers. 0.60
00:46:01.200 It's not just, you know, evangelicals.
00:46:06.280 That said, I hope that broadcast was ultimately helpful.
00:46:10.620 I think that is an important issue.
00:46:12.340 It's something that Christians need to deal with. 1.00
00:46:14.560 And I think that the current kind of pop answer to that, the one that many people have from just kind of absorbing a lot of slogans when it comes to Christianity, I think that's dangerous.
00:46:26.460 And I don't think it helps anyone.
00:46:27.680 Let's see.
00:46:32.140 Bomani Igloo says, deportations will continue until demographics improve.
00:46:40.580 Yeah, I titled, or I have the tag on there, deportations will continue.
00:46:45.280 I had that phrase in mind there.
00:46:47.320 Let's see here.
00:46:48.140 Creeper Weirdo says, liberals are self-deporting to the UK.
00:46:51.580 Well, yeah, that is that upside.
00:46:53.020 Not for the UK.
00:46:53.760 Sorry.
00:46:54.380 I know things are already bad enough in the UK, and you're just going to get more terrible American liberals.
00:46:59.220 But, yeah, on the upside, they aren't here anymore.
00:47:01.620 And then, you know, ultimately, like I said, you know, the self-deportation is the best strategy available.
00:47:07.460 So more than happy to see insufferable leftists who hate the country remove themselves to a country that will be getting rid of their free speech.
00:47:16.640 You know, well, I mean, probably not them because they're leftists.
00:47:19.060 But, you know, they're like, oh, I have to flee the United States because of tyranny.
00:47:22.300 I need to move to a place where you're not allowed to pray outside or, you know, talk bad about the government when it comes to immigration.
00:47:28.680 You know, all those freedoms that they enjoy in the United Kingdom.
00:47:33.180 All right, guys, looks like that's it.
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