00:00:00.000hey everybody how's it going thanks for joining me this afternoon i've got a great stream with
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00:00:35.680oran to get 20 off today well i often have people say oran you're so frustrated with the iran war
00:00:44.040why haven't you just abandoned donald trump why won't you curse donald trump and then die
00:00:48.500and the answer is really simple because the iran war well i think is a big mistake is not the only
00:00:54.720thing the trump administration is doing donald trump is doing a lot of very important things
00:00:58.320A lot of them on the border when it comes to immigration. And that is my number one issue.
00:01:03.520So there's no reason to throw all of those possible victories out the window, even if you are voicing serious concerns about a foreign policy decision.
00:01:11.960And the Trump administration has been scoring just a absolute flurry of big wins here recently across the board from immigration to the courts, to foreign policy, to chasing down Antifa and possible networks there, even education.
00:01:29.800these are all big serious wins and so i want to stop for a moment and count these and give the
00:01:35.860administration credit where it's due because this is very serious levels of improvement we've been
00:01:40.460saying this is exactly the kind of domestic agenda that seems to have been kind of lacking in the last
00:01:45.640few months and it's been really great to see these things coming out joining me today to talk about
00:01:50.740this is a fellow at the claremont institute jeremy carl thank you so much for coming on man
00:01:57.760Absolutely. So let's start at the beginning because I think that the biggest ones, the ones I'm most excited about, have been the immigration-related wins that the Trump administration has recently been lining up.
00:02:11.660So the first thing that we heard here yesterday is that we will be seeing a $100,000 fee attached to H-1B applications.
00:02:21.680And the change is that previously when they floated this, it was only going to apply to people outside the country who are applying for an H-1B to come in.
00:02:30.260But now that is going to also apply to anyone who is inside the country currently.
00:02:34.540So if you're here on a student visa, you're some kind of foreign student working in a university and you want to get an H-1B job, sorry, you're going to have to pay the same fee that someone from outside the country is going to have to pay.
00:02:46.260This is obviously going to slow down a large amount of the interest in hiring H-1B workers that a differentiation between the cost of hiring a foreigner and hiring an American is a big deal.
00:03:00.240in fact i've seen some indian uh posters complaining that uh if you want to apply for
00:03:06.140an h1b right now you could be waiting as long as 179 years uh to to get into the country uh which
00:03:13.120i don't know that i don't know about you jeremy that's a huge way they're acceptable to me that's
00:03:16.980exactly precisely yeah you know what man and at 180 years if you get there by all means come on
00:03:23.180in brother okay that's impressive feat you you belong in america you are you are american stock
00:03:27.940if you manage that one. Yeah. And let me actually just step back even before we get into the
00:03:33.000particulars and kind of as you broached this topic with me earlier, just to kind of talk about what
00:03:38.960is the big picture? Because as a policy wonk, I've been kind of struggling to reconcile the sort of
00:03:46.840discourse often on X, or even that we're just seeing not just on X, but even among voters of
00:03:51.800like, it's over, bro, with what I see is just a huge number of wins. And what I kind of end up
00:04:00.140doing, and as you point out, I mean, there are things like the Iran war that I think are genuinely
00:04:03.500pretty unpopular with a lot of our voters, whatever you think of it, and that explains
00:04:07.520some of it, but it doesn't explain all of it. And where I kind of come out is that what Trump is
00:04:13.140doing is sort of the mirror image of a Democrat administration. And we're not used to that as a
00:04:18.920GOP. In other words, the Democrats always tell you how wonderful and normal they are, at least
00:04:23.320historically. They're sort of dropping the mask now, mom and apple pie. And meanwhile, they're
00:04:28.360running around in the bureaucracy, absolutely undermining everything that's good about America
00:04:32.800constantly. And you never sort of hear about it. And that's the reverse of that is sort of what I
00:04:37.480think is going on. Like the really big stuff that some people think we've been promised, like we're
00:04:43.120not getting 11 million deportations. And I'm not saying that in a glib way, because of course,
00:04:47.980we should continue to push for more and more or some of these other things. We're not getting
00:04:51.720some of the really sexy stuff, but there is more important things behind the scenes where the GOP
00:04:58.220always has lost. And we are just running up the score hugely on these things right now.
00:05:05.280And even to the point I was in one of my sort of policy wonk group chats and somebody, I can't
00:05:10.440remember the exact policy issue, but somebody said, oh, well, too bad the Trump administration
00:05:15.680you know hasn't fixed x and somebody's like oh no you need to check this uh you know office of
00:05:21.600legal counsel ruling for four months ago and they actually have totally torpedoed x and we didn't
00:05:26.220even know about it like it was coming so fast and furious some of these wins that we weren't even
00:05:30.400aware of them and so i just want to communicate a little bit of white pilling here to um to our
00:05:36.660listeners that there really is a tremendous amount that this administration is doing um that is is
00:05:42.540really, really good. And there's a lot of sensational people, a lot of good friends of
00:05:45.980mine who are working really, really hard to make this administration as successful as it can possibly
00:05:50.940be. Well, one of the big problems is obviously when you're, you know, and by the way, we need
00:05:56.94011 million deportations. Exactly. Yeah, I see 11 million roll over on the on the deportation
00:06:03.480counter. But, you know, one of the problems is that when you, you know, and this is a show about
00:06:11.340how well the trump administration is doing so please you know understand that will be this will
00:06:15.240be almost all positive but to to give the devil its due here when you are not delivering all the
00:06:22.320big sexy things when those look like they are losing and those are the only things that we're
00:06:26.540allowed to talk about and then you're doing a lot of things as you say kind of well let's be frank
00:06:31.940through the deep state right you're using procedural manipulation to create all these wins
00:06:36.240they're great but they don't get by definition they can't get the same highlight and so you have
00:06:42.000to understand that if as an administration official if you're not effectively communicating
00:06:46.880that those things are going on then all of your supporters are seeing you lose on all the big
00:06:52.520stuff and not advertise wins on all of these other things and i agree with you 100 we're going to get
00:06:57.740into things like the racial balancing in schools which are very important to me as a teacher but
00:07:02.640if you aren't a teacher, you don't even know about that. This stuff exists and you don't know
00:07:06.800what kind of win this is. And so I do think that it is incumbent on people to give the Trump
00:07:12.820administration space to succeed. This idea that we have to, if we're not, if we see anything,
00:07:19.920we immediately say, oh, well, some judge is going to undo this. Some, you know, immediately dismiss
00:07:24.040whatever it is. Trump will back down off it. You know, like that attitude is unhelpful. But I do
00:07:29.660think that there is something to be said for you do have to win uh conspicuously right like the
00:07:36.620the telling people to just cross their fingers and hope that the winds flow is uh not a great
00:07:43.760communication strategy in you know especially in the current news cycle so i think there's i think
00:07:48.740there is a um you know there are two steps here where yes people need to be again giving the
00:07:54.820administration space to win don't try to immediately black pill people don't try to immediately say
00:07:59.020well just nothing is happening but at the same time Trump administration has to secure big wins
00:08:05.260and then also needs to come out and say here's where these wins are and be very effective in
00:08:10.600its communication of where these victories are taking place and I do think that you know here
00:08:16.320they have been better at this it's I don't know if all of this has been building if this was a
00:08:20.560planned rollout if you know these things were all just working in the background and happened to
00:08:24.620have culminated at once. The Trump admin has got like 15, you know, like home run headlines in the
00:08:31.700last four days. And so, you know, that's fantastic. But, you know, if you spread that out a little
00:08:36.840more, it'll be a lot easier for people to understand and see the vision of where the
00:08:40.780admin's going. Sure. And the optics matter. And to just, you know, again, to get into this light
00:08:45.580blackpilling before we dispense the white pills, right? You look at Minnesota and I thought kind
00:08:51.260to me the sort of nadir in some ways of the administration was when we backed off on the
00:08:57.980just immigration enforcement that we should have done um in minneapolis uh in the wake of of you
00:09:04.780know kind of questions around tactics and we gave the left this apparent win of they chased us out
00:09:12.620of minneapolis and they kind of won now there was all this revisionist stuff that came out that said
00:09:16.940no, actually, if you look back, we went back quietly and we actually did all this great
00:09:22.980deportation stuff once the media went away. That all may be true, but actually sometimes just the
00:09:28.520optics of the win really do matter. And that was one of those cases where I think I would have
00:09:33.540happily taken an optical win that would have sent a message to the left that it's over for you guys,
00:09:39.940even if there had been nothing substantive that ultimately came of it that was different than
00:09:44.200where we we wound up so i i do agree with you that the comms piece of this is important yeah
00:09:49.900absolutely so uh we already talked about that fee now this fee was already floated previously and
00:09:56.800was struck down by a court do you have any i i still don't know all the particulars on this do
00:10:03.380you have any insight as to why this one might be more likely to uh to succeed because you know
00:10:09.460people do say well trump says we're going to do things the admin says we're gonna do things
00:10:13.060some judge says no when we move on and that has been true unfortunately in many cases so
00:10:18.240yeah can people expect this one to actually stick so uh you know big proviso that i'm not an attorney
00:10:24.440but i have read some of the legal argumentation i'm not going to try to recapitulate it here but
00:10:29.240i guess i can safely say they did take into pretty careful account it looked like to me
00:10:34.740what the judge said was the problems with version 1.0 they actually and the administration has done
00:10:41.020a good job. I mean, the people at OLC, Office of Legal Counsel, are very smart folks and other
00:10:46.820good attorneys in the administration. They're very good at taking the feedback of some of these
00:10:51.800judges and being like, okay, well, you made this rule. Here's how we're going to get around it.
00:10:56.140And so I think that they've done a number of substantive changes here that are designed
00:11:00.800to pass legal scrutiny. Now, a little bit of this, sadly, is to go back to Roy Cohn,
00:11:07.280former mentor of President Trump's, you know, don't tell me what the law is. Tell me who the
00:11:12.240judge is. I think we may wind up, unfortunately, in that situation. But I think we've put our
00:11:18.300best foot forward. We've made a serious case for why this is legal. And I'm actually pretty
00:11:23.520optimistic that this is going to stick. And then the next thing we've seen is the attempt to go
00:11:31.800ahead and revoke about 200,000 visas from asylum seekers. Now, the Trump administration has been
00:11:39.220fantastic on this program. We know that H-1Bs and other things get a lot of press for obvious
00:11:46.120reasons, but there are many, many ways that people are being brought into the United States.
00:11:50.720The asylum system is a huge one. And so the Trump administration has vastly limited the number of
00:11:56.920asylum uh visas that are getting uh passed in fact i think someone put out basically it's just
00:12:02.880white south africaners they are the only ones who are actually getting asylum visas under the trump
00:12:08.000administration which is just beautiful um but uh we are i already obviously have a lot of people
00:12:16.100here so the administration has uh said that they're going to suspend 200 000 amnesty visas
00:12:21.300And also, very importantly, they started to deport the Haitians who were here on temporary protected status, specifically here in Florida.
00:12:29.840So let me tell you, a report from the ground, you know, Florida man doing doing so much better right now actively.
00:12:36.360But these are big steps where we're seeing it's not just about stopping the flow, but finding all of these other ways in which you can go ahead and get people out of the country,
00:12:47.280not just the normal illegal deportations, but even people who are here legally through some
00:12:52.080kind of asylum visa or through temporary status. We're actually seeing their removal and revocation
00:12:57.200now. No, that's right. And what happened with these asylum, and originally we'd sort of targeted
00:13:02.02075 countries and had that overturned by a Biden judge just recently. And so Rubio, again, to his
00:13:08.440great credit, sort of came in and said, okay, well, we're just pausing it for everybody right
00:13:12.880now until we can find out what's going on, as Trump might have said. So that's been great.
00:13:22.060The original logic, by the way, was totally airtight for the 75 countries. You had these
00:13:26.960people who were coming here on tourist visas from these countries and saying, oh, actually,
00:13:32.380I'm making an asylum claim. And again, without getting too much in the weeds, pretty much all
00:13:37.060these claims are bogus and so the administration is um correctly cracking down on that i would
00:13:44.500assume my friend andrew vprek who's kind of running that in the state department has been very
00:13:49.620involved in in that sort of thing and again we've totally we've changed around the asylum judgments
00:13:54.980i mean all this stuff that's in the weeds you're never going to hear about it as a voter but we
00:13:58.980have completely structurally changed around the system so that the absurd acceptance rates of
00:14:05.380these fake claims that we used to have are now structurally just not going to happen and and
00:14:11.140we're down to like accepting like four percent which is still probably um a few percent higher
00:14:16.740than it really should be but is at least sort of in the ballpark of of what's acceptable and sends
00:14:21.620the right message and then finally on the wins when it comes to suspending uh or for immigration
00:14:29.140uh we apparently and this one's awesome have apparently just suspended all immigrant visa
00:14:34.980interviews uh we're just done sorry and i love the way that they they did this like well uh we're
00:14:40.640reviewing procedures on this and uh you know there's a lot of training that has to go on so
00:14:45.660we're just shutting it all down and that's beautiful because that's exactly the kind of
00:14:50.880procedural uh you know control that is necessary to do these changes how do you avoid the court
00:14:57.320rulings and all this other stuff well i'm sorry we got it you know there's this procedure we've
00:15:01.840got to go through you know regulations can't can't if we can't get these guys properly vetted then we
00:15:06.980just have to put everybody on hold until that happens i mean again just exactly the kind of
00:15:12.040thing you want to see uh using the power of the deep state against itself in this case no absolutely
00:15:17.240i mean again this is this is us acting like democrats in the best of all possible ways right
00:15:21.320we're doing these kind of procedural nonsense to get the correct substantive outcome because
00:15:27.720some other, you know, branch of the state is not going to do the right thing. And so it's great.
00:15:35.700Yeah, I mean, I love it. Oh, and I should tack this on. I didn't know which category to drop
00:15:40.460this in, but it's just fantastic. There's also now ICE proceedings against Ilhan Omar for fraud.
00:15:46.040So I was saying, you know, I think Trump gets at least a free 10 point bump in the polls if we can
00:15:51.940deport her by trebuchet. The trebuchet is, I mean, I understand that would be, we would definitely
00:15:59.120get 10 points with the base if we did that, but just in all seriousness, right? Like if we were
00:16:03.480to deport her, like it would be worth 10,000, maybe even a hundred thousand normal deportations
00:16:08.480because what it would say is you have no immunity. If you have broken the law, if we determine
00:16:15.040that you have broken the law, that you've committed fraud against the immigration system,
00:16:20.100it doesn't matter how powerful a person you've become, you have to go back. And that is going
00:16:26.400to send a, if we can actually succeed there, it's going to send a tremendous, tremendous public
00:16:31.500message. All right. Well, to move to another category where Trump administration is racking
00:16:38.360up wins, they are winning in the courts right now. So we just saw the Ninth Circuit Court,
00:16:44.160which is, of course, the California's super liberal court that everyone hates, say that
00:16:49.360you can't stop deportations for past harm so you can't look back at what uh you know ice has done
00:16:54.860and say oh well because they did this and we think it's wrong or there's some kind of issue here
00:16:58.980then we can put a halt on you know turning people over because we're worried about their safety he
00:17:03.160says no actually ice is allowed to continue to operate despite this so it means even in the most
00:17:07.860liberal jurisdiction we can find in the united states ice is not being held up by the courts
00:17:12.600in this area yeah i mean again terrific and just a testament to the fact that we've brought in some
00:17:18.120good attorneys who make serious arguments. I think we learned from a lot of our failures
00:17:22.120in 1.0, where we did a bunch of sexy looking executive orders that we're not going to pass
00:17:27.580muster. We paid a lot of attention. As much as people like me get frustrated and just want to be
00:17:31.940like, defy the judges, there are reasons. I mean, it's not like the Trump administration senior guys
00:17:37.780are being like, oh my gosh, Jeremy, we never thought of that until you mentioned it to us,
00:17:42.980right? I mean, they have a strategy here. I do wish they would be a little bit more aggressive
00:17:47.600in times where district judges, for example, are openly defying the Supreme Court, I think that's
00:17:53.840the right opportunity for us to go say, hey, district judge, we're just going to ignore you
00:17:58.020because the Supreme Court has already ruled on this. And that way, we're sort of not stepping
00:18:02.720on the judicial toes too much, but we're still sending a message to these district judges that
00:18:07.160they can't do what they want. But that having been said, right, it's all part of a legal strategy of
00:18:13.960getting serious people in the administration who can make serious legal arguments with very much
00:18:19.340in mind. And I can tell you again, I've talked to lawyers at the top level of this administration.
00:18:23.260They are laser focused on, ultimately, what do we think, as many of them are ex-Supreme Court
00:18:29.340clerks, what will the Supreme Court accept, ultimately, if it has to go there? So they're
00:18:33.960thinking about it in the right way. And then the next big win for the Trump administration in the
00:18:38.840courts was the fact that the Supreme Court has basically stopped another judge, a lower judge,
00:18:46.020from halting Trump's executive order when it comes to mail-in ballots. Of course, we need the
00:18:51.280SAVE Act. It's so ridiculous that Senate Republicans will not make this happen. It shows you that the
00:18:56.700party is still itself at war with Trump in many ways. But the Trump administration is looking for
00:19:02.640alternative ways to at least address this problem as much as possible if the legislation simply
00:19:08.080won't go through and one of them is through this executive order uh as i understand the executive
00:19:12.360order does a few things first uh it compiles a list of every legal voter registered in the states
00:19:18.080and requires uh the executive branch to send that out to the states before the election
00:19:23.560it then also forbids the u.s postal service from sending a ballot to anyone who's not on this list
00:19:31.480So basically, it's a runaround way to say, you cannot distribute a ballot to anyone who is here illegally. They have to be a legal citizen, they have to be registered to vote. And if you attempt to send this ballot out, then the post office itself will just refuse to deliver that ballot. So it's a good way to cut it out.
00:19:52.460It also explicitly directs the DOJ to go after prosecutions of anyone who is suspected of attempting to get a illegal ballot to an illegal voter.
00:20:03.520And so you're putting an enforcement mechanism direction in there along with this way to more or less match up the legal voting registry with who will actually receive ballots in the mail.
00:20:14.640Yeah, absolutely. And again, a parallel to what the Democrats did with us in the election shenanigans that they did where they were doing stuff, unlike what we're trying to do, that was sort of, frankly, transparently illegal or transparently under the cover of COVID, violating certain traditional laws or precepts.
00:20:35.540And they kind of managed to run out the clock judicially by the time we got a ruling that
00:22:47.520Basically, these guys are like the information brokers for a lot of radical left-wing violent
00:22:53.640groups operating both in europe and the united states uh you know it was correct to ultimately
00:22:58.840declare antifa a global terror organization because it is it has these international connections and
00:23:04.480a lot of this is being funded overseas a lot of the information is flowing uh from overseas uh now
00:23:10.640this isn't just shutting down a website or shutting down a service if you are in any way attached to
00:23:16.580this organization if you are giving them money if you are receiving aid from them if you are in
00:23:22.400communications with them if you are banking them if you are a tech platform who is hosting them
00:23:27.800all of these things can land you in serious hot water you could receive sanctions you could
00:23:32.380receive financial or legal penalties even face jail time so this is not just saying oh well
00:23:37.920we're taking down the website where you know antifa guys get their email anybody connected
00:23:43.140to this could ultimately face very serious charges now again i'm really hoping this is the tip of the
00:23:47.840iceberg we've been waiting to see antifa crackdowns for a long time still not getting a lot of people
00:23:52.380in jail, still not seeing a lot of people rolled up, but hopefully that's because this is the
00:23:57.120indication that we're watching a top-down approach where you're going to cut off the head of these
00:24:01.460funding sources, the information sources, and then we will see further action domestically
00:24:06.380going after these groups. No, that's right. I think you've really hit on the key point,
00:24:11.380which is it's not just like, oh, we took down a website and wrapped them on the knuckles and said,
00:24:16.600you know, don't do this anymore. We've said, you're a terrorist organization. And now anybody,
00:24:21.960not just like all the people who are involved, who are now basically running scared and presumably to some level fugitives from justice or fugitives from the military.
00:24:31.080I'm not sure what the exact legal ramifications of declaring them a terrorist organization are.
00:24:39.060But everybody who's even tangentially associated with them is now not just thinking twice, but three times about whether they want to do that.
00:24:48.040And not just that, there are five other organizations of different types that are probably helping Antifa right now. And everybody associating with those guys in some way is all of a sudden like, oh, wait a second, are we going to be next? So I agree with you, of course, if we follow that up by actually perp walking a bunch of guys like that will be make a really, really visible point.
00:25:10.860but even just doing this totally changes the complexion of the fight against antifa and so
00:25:17.240again it's just a huge win for the administration as far as i'm concerned yeah no yeah not taking
00:25:22.000anything away from them i just i want to continue to urge to see further action uh you know this
00:25:27.420has to be a domino you know that hits another domino uh we can't just declare it and move on
00:25:32.660uh but but it is a critical step uh one that i think is significant uh and i'm very very happy
00:25:37.960to see it kudos to marco rubio and his team for getting that done uh next thing i want to talk
00:25:43.180about is something we hinted at previously the department of education which little miffed it's
00:25:47.340not gone was told it was going to be gone wanted to be gone but i understand that takes a lot more
00:25:52.120than than simply trying to shrink it down that said um the doe has just said uh that they are
00:25:58.900going to advise against racial balancing in education when it comes to discipline so for
00:26:04.120people who don't know. Functionally, it's illegal to discipline minority students. It's just like
00:26:11.940affirmative action. We have to put our thumbs on the scale artificially to drive up the numbers
00:26:18.440of people who are being disciplined in other races and avoid it in the minorities, this kind of
00:26:23.440thing. I used to be a teacher at a majority minority school. And in that school, basically,
00:26:29.120the discipline was horrible because all of our students were minorities. District was already
00:26:33.080suspending too many minorities and so if you suspended any of our students by definition you
00:26:37.820would be suspending all minorities and we'd drive the number up so they tried to find all these other
00:26:42.860ways to discipline which did not work at all uh and so ultimately we saw like just horrific results
00:26:48.900uh yeah i had a one principal who got knocked out trying to break up a a fight in the cafeteria i
00:26:54.720had one teacher who was basically sleeping in the mail room all day because uh he got put out of the
00:26:59.960classroom for trying to stop a fight when someone called him a racist i mean just ridiculous stuff
00:27:05.100we had to wait until basically there were multiple prison riot style fights with dozens and dozens of
00:27:11.480students fighting uh and those got circulated on the news and then they finally allowed us
00:27:16.240to start suspending uh students again uh and it worked great like we could suddenly teach
00:27:21.360everybody like you didn't have you know a bunch of kids like running out of the classroom yelling
00:27:25.340f you or whatever like you actually had significant penalties and we were actually
00:27:30.100able to do our jobs uh but then slowly over time uh obviously we were suspending i think like i
00:27:36.460think we accounted by ourselves of like 10 percent of our minority suspensions in the district and
00:27:41.700they're like oh nope our numbers are too bad again and they pulled that back and our school
00:27:46.080went right back to being a disaster so removing this expectation of school districts to constantly
00:27:52.020keep an eye on you know which percentage of any given minority is being disciplined and not giving
00:27:58.060them this like top-down pressure to cook those stats by artificially avoiding these punishments
00:28:04.600is huge like it actually does make a big difference for the teachers the students everybody involved
00:28:10.140no and this is almost the prototypical example of some of the sort of behind the scene things that
00:28:15.100we're talking about because it's it's absolutely enormous and by the way it was one of the most
00:28:19.540evil things the Obama administration did. Because the thing that you're describing where we didn't
00:28:25.020pay attention to those numbers racially was the status quo before Obama came in. And very
00:28:30.480consciously, and I think this came from the head of the snake, I think this came basically from
00:28:35.000Obama that he wanted to do this, said, we're going to do this racial discipline scorecards
00:28:42.180without paying any attention to the fact that the rates of suspension basically reflected the rates
00:28:48.720of offense by race. And this, as I talked about in my book, The Unprotected Class,
00:28:54.880this leads pretty much directly to Trayvon Martin, who many of your listeners may remember was
00:29:02.520the young man from Florida who got killed by George Zimmerman in what was ultimately he was
00:29:10.380acquitted because it was acting in self-defense. And then the Marjory Stoneman Douglas school
00:29:16.360shooting in Florida. Both of those things, those students, Trayvon Martin and this other student
00:29:21.520would have both been suspended from school and had all sorts of records. Trayvon Martin had been
00:29:25.680caught with burglary tools and jewelry that had been found stolen. But in an effort to racially
00:29:32.200keep those numbers low, these sorts of things were hidden. And therefore, it affected the entire way
00:29:38.340that these stories were reported and unfolded. And again, you know, this sort of thing is going
00:29:44.020affect the school discipline in your kid's school. I mean, it will be this little behind-the-scenes
00:29:48.780thing is going to be the difference between your kid's school potentially operating in a pretty
00:29:54.840functional way or being a nightmare to which you have to pull the kid out of school. And so again,
00:30:00.700just not something that's generated huge headlines, but will have an absolutely huge
00:30:05.200impact. And again, kudos to the administration. So last thing I want to talk about here
00:30:10.640is the affordability debate that debate that's right burritos are back on the table
00:30:15.620um so you have a scenario where a lot of these establishment conservative guys uh got on their
00:30:25.280really really tired talk radio platforms and said hey you know i see you there young white man and
00:30:32.340yes i may have for the last five to ten years made a small fortune uh off of noticing that the
00:30:40.700entire system is designed to hate you and destroy you to ensure that you don't get any jobs that
00:30:47.300you don't get education that you can't afford a house that you can't get married that you can't
00:30:52.460have kids but it's time for you to be a real man and pull yourself up by your bootstraps and eat
00:30:58.780nothing but sawdust until you die because that's what a real conservative does that that's how real
00:31:04.340america works we're not gonna we're not gonna notice any of the systemic issues we're not gonna
00:31:08.820notice any of the stuff we literally spent the last decade talking about it's all your fault
00:31:13.460young men are just too lazy uh and that's why you're failing uh don't tell me that americans
00:31:18.760can't afford things even though i literally was just talking about under biden how everybody
00:31:22.820couldn't afford groceries uh but no magically don't worry it's all even though grocery prices
00:31:27.280haven't gone down at all it's all fine uh and so there's no reason for you to complain about this
00:31:31.840it's disastrous messaging and it's all coming from the same people who love the iran war and
00:31:37.680hate jd vance like well what a surprise yeah wonder wonder why this venn diagram is a circle
00:31:42.880uh but uh jd vance knows exactly how disastrous this messaging is and he got out in front of it
00:31:50.540with the administration and was being very clear about the fact that affordability is a real issue
00:31:57.140That is something that needs to be addressed. And really great messaging by him. He tied it, of course, to immigration and jobs, saying if we deport people, housing prices go down. If we encourage H-1B reform, then Americans get those jobs.
00:32:14.540There are active things that we can do that are right wing. It's not going around and saying, hey, guys, we need socialism. Hey, we need all of this, you know, all these government programs. It's not all the handouts that these conservative Republicans are so worried about, but it's these basic quality of life improvements.
00:32:31.420We're going to get rid of DEI. We're going to deport illegals. We're going to take pressure off the real estate market. We're going to remove these artificial labor pools so that Americans are going to get these jobs and get paid more.
00:32:44.300All of these agenda items are right wing. They are conservative. They are already promises that Trump is making. And if done correctly, they can directly address this issue.
00:32:54.420You don't have to, you know, dive into the well of Zorah Mamdani to ultimately bring this.
00:32:59.420But and I think this was also very important.
00:33:17.340Like that is not actually a winning message to Americans.
00:33:21.320they want to hear how you're going to make their life better domestically here now that's what's
00:33:26.420important to them it's about the economy stupid like so actually just get this done and so i think
00:33:31.820it was very good that i mean i didn't expect anything different from jd vance but it's very
00:33:36.920good that he got out in front of this messaging uh you know stopped i think what was basically like
00:33:42.440a messaging doom spiral coming from a lot of these establishment conservative commentators
00:33:47.120and delivered a good, balanced message on how we can address this problem in a very direct way
00:33:54.040without, again, moving into any of the territory that these guys are so scared of.
00:33:59.380Yeah, absolutely. And I would say, as somebody who likes to try to build bridges on our side,
00:34:05.640even between some people in our coalition who I may not necessarily love,
00:34:09.560but I understand that you need a wide variety of folks to get to 50 plus one,
00:34:14.000I think a certain way to square the circle is to observe that the biggest areas where we really do have this affordability crisis are education, health care, and housing.
00:34:27.100And these are areas that have had high degrees of government interference in them.
00:34:32.160And frankly, if we eliminate it in a very, this is lovely free market language, a lot of this stuff, the prices are going to go down.
00:34:40.760And I think the other brilliant thing that you note that J.D. Vance did that I would just repeat six days and twice on Sunday is to tie this explicitly to immigration.
00:34:51.420Because I think the lie that you're experiencing in your urban emergency room, the housing stuff, that really is very tightly.
00:35:00.120There have actually been some good studies shown.
00:35:01.960And I'm not saying that immigration is the whole piece, but it is a significant contributor to these things.
00:35:07.400To the extent that we can make this really tight kind of pairing, I think it will, in the public mind, it will be really useful. This kind of gets to a big pet peeve of mine, something I have beaten people over the head with anytime I can corral them, which is that it never makes sense to pay attention to immigration polling in the abstract.
00:35:27.960Because as soon as you start doing anything usefully on immigration, your numbers with moderate normie are going to go down on that issue.
00:35:35.940But the bottom line is, if you think, as you and I both do, that immigration is this that press that one button and it really helps solve all of our problems, you're going to wind up with a situation where if we really do aggressive immigration enforcement, people might have us be 30 percent underwater on immigration.
00:35:54.940They're like, you know, like nice suburban housewife is like, well, these guys are kind of mean, but oh, I can afford my house.
00:36:01.520And they don't necessarily connect those two things, even though we're trying to make them always connect them.
00:36:05.560But on balance, they're going to be like, yeah, I can live with it because my life is overall better.
00:36:11.620And so, you know, never anybody who starts trying to push negative immigration polling on you.
00:36:16.560I just think they are a bad actor or at least not a smart actor.
00:36:20.160yeah in theory they want their friends to think they're a good person because they cried over
00:36:24.680consuela's deportation but in practice once they are paying less for their home and they can
00:36:31.500actually get through the emergency room without waiting nine hours and their kids in a classroom
00:36:36.780where you know most of the people speak english like all of a sudden you know well i guess i can
00:36:42.800survive the rest of the trump administration if if that's what's going on i think that's exactly
00:36:47.340right it's one of those issues where all the pain is up front and all the benefits flow after right
00:36:52.620like you just you have to get through this pressure point you have to get this threshold
00:36:56.140and once you hit the threshold it just makes everything better like we make the joke but it
00:36:59.480really is the fix everything button all you have to do is hit the button you just have to have the
00:37:04.100strength of will to hit the button and ignore you know as as my colleague john doyle says uh you know
00:37:10.080the the future of the country is predicated on your ability to ignore the tears of women and
00:37:15.340immigrants you know and that that really is like if you can just get through that part uh then you
00:37:21.020you're going to see the improvement across the board and that's where ultimately you're going
00:37:24.860to win the argument they'll like you when you win that's really all there is to it and so you have
00:37:29.360you have to you know there there are things that are worth sacrificing political capital
00:37:33.900political capital is there to be spent but you have to be careful where you spend and so i'm
00:37:39.300very happy to spend it on deportations less happy to spend it in in iran uh so so let's let's spend
00:37:45.180the capital there and i think that securing a lot of these domestic wins is going to bolster the
00:37:49.860base i think it's going to give you some momentum uh hopefully you know you can see some improvement
00:37:54.700in the midterms now i will ask you this before we go to the questions of the people um we did see
00:38:01.160republicans meeting with democrats uh there was a meeting uh between the two parties a lot of
00:38:06.840speculation on what it is closed door so we're not we don't know for sure though a lot of people
00:38:10.920are speculating that basically this is the republicans assuming that they're going to lose
00:38:14.920in the midterms and trying to find some kind of common ground with the democrats or at least you
00:38:20.760know walk them off the edge because it's very clear the democrats have said repeatedly you know
00:38:29.140everything um i don't think that a meeting is going to change that probably uh but what what
00:38:35.280is your assessment of possible midterm outcomes do you think that the the party is ultimately hedging
00:38:41.200for that response? And if so, that becomes concerning because obviously the Trump
00:38:46.800administration is doing as much as it can now, but is only going to have a much harder time once
00:38:52.280it loses control of Congress, if that is the outcome. So what can we expect if these wins,
00:38:57.780if that ends up being the case? Yeah, well, I think a lot of our party, particularly in the
00:39:04.760Senate, is just more comfortable being in the minority because you're not responsible for
00:39:07.860anything. You don't have to do anything. We've seen even in the majority. If I had to point to
00:39:13.060the biggest large-scale black bill on the administration, and it's not really an
00:39:17.560administration issue, but it's just that we've encoded so little of the good things we've done
00:39:22.240in legislation. Now, the executive orders are actually not quite as easily reversible,
00:39:27.800both politically and substantively, as some people would have you think. The next Democratic
00:39:32.180president can't just wave a magic wand and make it all go away, but they can make way more of it
00:39:37.480go away than you and I might like. I would say I'm pretty pessimistic about the midterms,
00:39:44.440but I do actually think there's a broad range of outcomes that are possible. I think we could
00:39:49.760even pick up a seat in the Senate or two. It's not beyond the pale. It's not beyond the pale
00:39:54.880that we would be in the minority, but I just sort of sense that we're a little bit on a knife edge.
00:40:00.320I mean, we have some opportunities in places like Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Michigan
00:40:04.360to really pick up seats if we can just because they have bad New Hampshire have an okay candidate
00:40:11.320but in Minnesota and Michigan they have really bad candidates and you know I think we could pick
00:40:18.020up stuff there so and we've we've reworked the map that that it's not even impossible that we
00:40:22.400keep the house although I would say that's not the most likely scenario so I'm I'm nervous about
00:40:28.000what our our guys are doing because I don't really trust our congressional leadership particularly
00:40:33.380to put it mildly. But, you know, I do think that there's opportunities. I would also say, again,
00:40:40.300in terms of long term good things, obviously, I'd love to keep control. But in many ways,
00:40:45.660giving the Democrats control even of one branch is probably the best thing we could do for 2028
00:40:50.600because it exposes their craziness that they're able to slightly hide to the mass voter. And so
00:40:59.480much of what I think helped Trump in 2028 or 2024 is that the Democrats were just unrestrained and
00:41:05.420they were doing all of this crazy stuff against him and Joe moderate voter out there was like not
00:41:11.260not buying it um and so I think uh you know even if we we lose in the midterms we could win over
00:41:18.580the long long run but I think uh right now my crystal ball is is pretty cloudy I'm not I'm not
00:41:23.700doomsaying about it although I I would leave me put a gun to my head I'd say more likely we're
00:41:29.020going to have a bad scenario but but i think uh having a good scenario is still quite possible
00:41:33.580if we if we can close strong yeah i guess the issue is ultimately that the number of joe average
00:41:39.880moderate voter is dwindling quickly you know the the that the middle by which you're supposed to
00:41:45.220win those elections uh is getting smaller and smaller and most of the gains the trump
00:41:50.220administration made um were frankly in kind of the podcast bro sphere you know it was hispanic
00:41:57.220young men and you know the young men in general you know a lot of the gains um that trump made
00:42:03.120were with voters that are now very unhappy with kind of the current situation crunchy moms that
00:42:08.920kind of thing um i'm not saying that you have to cater to them exclusively or anything but i do
00:42:14.980think one of the things i've seen from some of the admin is like the desire to dump everything
00:42:20.580on that crowd and say well this is this is why we lost when you know the left spent all of their
00:42:26.380time saying this is why you want like these are the you know what was the number one diagnosis
00:42:30.100coming out of yeah trump's 2024 win oh the podcasters won him this one right it's him going
00:42:35.420on joe rogan it's him going on theo vaughn yeah you know it's appearances on tucker carlson and
00:42:39.900these kind of people that are swaying uh voters and then it's well we don't need those guys anyway
00:42:45.440and they're the problem and i think that this is the wrong lesson to learn ultimately i get that
00:42:50.080there's a lot of fickleness in that crowd and in many ways they turned on the trump administration
00:42:54.540for doing the job i mean the fact that theo von or or i forget which one was out there like oh man
00:42:59.680um uh you i can't believe they're actually deporting people like joe rogan i think it was
00:43:04.260you know so obviously like when you vote for the guy who says i'm going to deportations and then
00:43:08.140you get deportations you're like well i can't support that anymore well that that's the fault
00:43:11.680of the guy but i think you see where where i'm going with that that the kind of the the general
00:43:15.820direction of uh blaming you know much of the maga coalition that got won over for the 2024 election
00:43:21.920on why you would lose 20 26 midterms i think is is faulty yeah and notably jd vance is not falling
00:43:28.000for that um yeah kind of thing and he's gone on some of these podcasts he went on rogan
00:43:33.600etc he's he is smartly understanding that yeah it doesn't mean that we are necessarily their bffs or
00:43:39.200that we're totally aligned it's that we understand that they are um very important uh whether or not
00:43:45.760we love everything that comes out of their mouths i honestly think that in most cases
00:43:50.480there are people that a gun to head are more like us than like them particularly as much as them
00:43:57.060becomes they them and the dsa um but you know they're not going to give us everything we want
00:44:02.640and that's coalition politics but you still want to keep them as much inside the tent as they can
00:44:08.360maha is also not a big ma guy personally but they're really really important guys like mike
00:44:13.640cernovich have talked a lot about this so this is just this is coalition politics that's what it's
00:44:18.080about. We need to keep as many of these folks on side. And that means certainly engaging with them
00:44:23.260on their shows. All right, guys. Well, we have a large number of questions from the people here,
00:44:30.080so we better switch over to that. But before we do, Mr. Carl, is there anything you want people
00:44:33.960to check out where people can find your work? Well, I'm at Real Jeremy Carl on Twitter. I'm
00:44:39.020over at the Claremont Institute. I have a substack, The Course of Empire, a recent book,
00:44:43.440the unprotected class i have a new book coming out next year uh preliminary title what's the
00:44:48.420matter with minnesota i'm actually almost kind of hoping that we don't win the midterm in minnesota
00:44:52.520because it will complicate my book titling but i still decided i have enough of a partisan that
00:44:57.640that i want us to win anyway and i'll figure out the book title yeah you're patriot enough to change
00:45:01.980your book title if necessary absolutely we will we will change it but those are the sorts of things
00:45:06.440that i'm doing that's true true dedication to the cause all right let's go to the questions of the
00:45:11.840people here uh treadle says is god giving us the trump our enemies fear that's always what we're
00:45:17.160praying for man just just give me the trump my enemies you know the the psychotic fever dream
00:45:22.040where they're afraid of that trump i want that trump that's the guy that guy uh cherry coke
00:45:27.980nixon says seeing incredible immigration uh enforcement numbers put out by ice yet uh every
00:45:33.420big box store looks like bumbai airport or a middle eastern bazaar yeah i mean look man i
00:45:38.360i hear you i feel that i've made this joke multiple times you know my test of immigration
00:45:42.700is walmart if i can walk in my walmart and have a conversation in english something has gone right
00:45:47.820so far i cannot do that uh so there is uh you know there are two things that are true the trump
00:45:53.400administration is better on immigration than any administration ever in my lifetime and probably
00:45:59.700before it and also it's insufficient we need more we need more and i'm sorry i know people oh you're
00:46:06.540blackpilling you're you know you're ungrateful you're a traitor a pain whatever i don't care
00:46:11.480i can do the math if biden brings in 20 million in four years and we deport five million that's
00:46:17.320five million we would have more than we would have deported under mitt romney or kamala harris
00:46:21.400obviously but it's still way too few like it's just not enough so i'm you know here to praise
00:46:27.020the trump administration today i'm absolutely going to do that but i hear you like ultimately
00:46:30.760we need more and i'm not going to pretend that we don't need more and i'm not going to shut up about
00:46:34.340it so that people can you know pat themselves on the back like they're doing a great job but we
00:46:39.620need them to do a better job and i know that's hard to hear when you're doing a great job but
00:46:43.800it's just the case there's there's no margin for error here it's the future of the country
00:46:47.960yeah absolutely and i'm sort of in some ways i'm a bad person to answer this because i live in
00:46:52.800montana and nothing looks like the mumbai airport or the middle eastern bazaar uh where i live
00:46:57.800probably almost uniquely in the country uh and i hate to uh like my neighbors in montana always
00:47:03.380get angry when you do anything that would suggest that people should move to Montana. But I feel that
00:47:08.060even Montanans would welcome patriots who listen to the Oren McIntyre show. So if you don't want
00:47:13.520your Walmart to look like the Mumbai airport or the Middle Eastern Bazaar, you will certainly
00:47:17.540find that. Here, even my older boys who are sort of working in sort of, you know, as kind of just
00:47:26.600doing labor, right? And those are middle American white kids. And I'm not exclusively in Montana,
00:47:32.660but but pretty heavily even even even those sorts of occupations so uh it can happen and it's a good
00:47:38.800what it does there's a one of my favorite quotes from the good old boys i believe it was the great
00:47:43.900political sage bog beef who said if you pay a white woman enough she will bring you a hamburger
00:47:48.840like we have the economic technology we really do um nixon also says uh keep hearing about admin
00:47:57.440cracking down on h1bs yet white man can't find jobs and i've never seen more be patient uh student
00:48:02.760driver stickers on used nissans with demonic statues on their dashboards dashboards uh again
00:48:09.560man uh i think you're all oran i'm sorry it's cherry coke nixon you're all oh yeah i'm super
00:48:16.200chatting to myself yeah uh you know uh i mean again i i agree with you that no more needs to
00:48:21.580be done but i think that we are seeing big uh attempts from the trump administration to call
00:48:27.060this as much as possible. I mean, we have large numbers of Indians writing feverish, angry posts
00:48:33.780about how they're never going to get into the country. Obviously, I never worked in or currently
00:48:40.000don't work in an industry where H-1Bs are a significant impact. So I have a harder time
00:48:45.780gauging this. I can gauge my local Walmart. I have a harder time gauging where we're at. But I do
00:48:51.000know that a lot of these uh companies were doing everything they could to like scam hb h1bs into
00:48:57.240the country they were hiding job posts from americans uh they were doing all this reshuffling
00:49:01.540and things and so a lot of this is trying to find all the loopholes trying to find all of the
00:49:06.940different ways that uh you know the average american is being deceived and that's going to
00:49:10.660take time from the trump administration i that's not a blank check that's not oh they don't never
00:49:15.000have to address the problem uh but we are seeing direct attempts to do that here and now so i'm
00:49:19.960going to praise it while we can yes we're going to have to wait for those results but in the
00:49:23.420meantime i'm not going to you know crap on the administration for taking the steps to solve this
00:49:28.220problem because i didn't see everybody get hired tomorrow you know that there is going to be some
00:49:32.260lag time there sean wyland says uh joe clark lean on me tried to warn us in 1989 uh not familiar
00:49:42.500that reference sorry sean it's from a movie i'm trying to remember one uh but but he was a very
00:49:48.900strict african-american principal at a school had uh really emphasized discipline i can't remember
00:49:55.940the movie title but i am in fact old enough to get that reference as a as a core gen xer well
00:50:01.980my favorite's the substitute you know uh the one where uh what's the action star uh he just ends
00:50:08.200up like killing all of the gang members in the school like just comes as the substitute teacher
00:50:12.440but he's actually like a former army you know special forces guy just starts you know taking
00:50:16.880about by one one by one uh tom barringer i'm sad that i did uh belgians are uh are evil trust me
00:50:27.060says i prefer oran twerking with his mind over my least i was twerking with her buddy thanks for the
00:50:31.820great work uh each week and thanks mr carl for your impact well thank you sir and also i'm sure
00:50:37.480now everybody has a horrific image in their head so uh thank you for that uh let's see here
00:50:41.980Nixon says, Chamber of Commerce says, if you can't get hired over a cheap H-1B brought in by a tribal cartel running HR and making 75% less, you are simply a loser. Yes, sadly, that is the attempt of many conservative commentators have been pushing that line. It's insulting the American people. It's ridiculous.
00:51:01.420And as we both said, very glad that J.D. Vance is very smart to step right over that and get to the heart of issue and tie it to things that the administration is doing directly to try to bring those numbers down and make them better.
00:51:13.260Yeah. And the Chamber of Commerce is really sort of at the core of a lot of these problems. And I think it's important to note, and I haven't seen these comprehensive numbers in the US, but we can actually point to pretty good numbers in, I think it's Denmark, where they sort of graph the total net economic contribution of various immigrant groups.
00:51:33.240And frankly, with the exception of, surprise, immigrants from the rest of Europe or America,
00:51:38.860it's all negative on a net basis, even though, of course, many of these people are employed.
00:51:43.680And this is where we can sort of hold the feet to the fire of the, quote unquote, free
00:51:47.800marketers on our side to say, hey, look, privatizing profits with some business and
00:51:53.500socializing losses among the taxpayers of America is not free market.
00:51:58.460And of course, we object to it for many reasons beyond just that.
00:52:01.880But again, as a coalition builder on our side, I think this is just something we can insist on, that our solution is truly also the more free market solution.
00:52:12.260It's not just a solution that is good for patriotic reasons, although it certainly is that as well.
00:52:19.580Sean Weiland again says, it's the economy stupid is a winning message 100%.
00:52:23.700Yep, I think that's absolutely something that needs to be drilled into the head of the GOP right now and its commentary class.
00:52:30.260sharon also says huey long posting will continue till we get results yeah for those who don't know
00:52:36.180uh jd vance referenced uh uh huey long uh during one of his speeches which uh sent uh the usual
00:52:43.320subs uh suspects into apple absolutely apoplectic uh responses but yeah i think he's basically
00:52:50.460trolling them at this point doing this stuff yeah and i think the irony is like to the disappointment
00:52:55.820almost. And I say this as I'm a big J.D. supporter, as I know you are. I think if he's our nominee in
00:53:02.1602028, what we will end up getting from him if we're fortunate enough for us to become president
00:53:08.480is it'll actually be much more conventional, but not in bad ways, but in good ways,
00:53:14.640types of GOP economic policy. But just even when he had poised the rhetoric of pointing out
00:53:21.000that some of these more populous things actually have some purchase and we should pay attention
00:53:25.760to them uh you know he just he enrages some of the worst people in the party and it's fun to see
00:53:32.080yeah you love to see it uh joe mcdermott says i was thrilled to hear about the h1b
00:53:38.080fee proposal but after waiting on this since 2016 i'm not going to give the admin any credit until
00:53:43.840it's actually implemented they'll give then i'll give them a ton of credit that's fair that's
00:53:48.480entirely fair we've gotten a lot of announcements from the admin uh i'm more than happy to uh say
00:53:54.720you know wait for results that's more than reasonable yeah but ultimately then you have
00:53:58.820to give credit when that thing happens you can't just say okay well uh there's something else like
00:54:04.340you know we we do you do ultimately have to give an attaboy to the people if they're scoring the
00:54:09.020touchdown you can't just i understand waiting until the touchdown is scored but then you know
00:54:13.220you got to be there nixon says deportations sucks now wait till the dims return yeah exactly which
00:54:21.100is why you know victory is critical you really cannot let the left hold uh hold power it's it's
00:54:27.540just not an option and and this is i think maybe the central theme of what we're getting at today
00:54:31.560right which is i you know i could turn around and i mean again i am actually genuinely very positive
00:54:36.520overall about the things that this administration has accomplished but i could turn around and do
00:54:40.900a whole show about things that i'm not happy about but at the end of the day it's a binary choice
00:54:46.580That binary has probably never been further apart in my mind than it is right now. And whatever frustrations voter and listener that you have, you should feel very comfortable, in my view, in walking into the ballot box and pulling that R lever and convincing your friends to do the same.
00:55:05.720And that's the bottom line. And again, we can talk about all the, I mean, believe me, as a pro at this, my frustrations are probably higher than yours at times when you see something that you don't like. But at the end of the day, you know, you have a bottom line. And I think that bottom line is very clear to me.
00:55:24.440Jacob Zendel says, why is Trump fighting a trade war against Canada more than China? Oh, well, that's easy because you can win the one against China or win the one against Canada and you can't win the one against China.
00:55:33.100And I'm not sure that there's much of a difference between Canada and China at this point.
00:55:39.560I mean, in true seriousness, I mean, I think this is a, it's a huge emerging issue that not very many people are talking about. But the degree, not just in demographic replacement, which in Canada dwarfs ours in the United States, but the actual levels of documented Chinese and Indian government foreign influence on what's going on in Canada right now are really disturbing.
00:56:00.700and it's a it's a border security crisis for us it's a national security crisis for us
00:56:04.840and uh is not getting enough attention yeah no seriously like people don't understand we're
00:56:10.140going to need as much border security in the northern border as the southern border soon
00:56:14.100yeah things are getting are going that direction uh cherry coat nixon says another big problem is
00:56:21.480boomers seem unconcerned about h1bs and the mass third world migration and white collar jobs
00:56:26.400don't they have grandkids uh yes but unfortunately as we've seen many times over it is often
00:56:32.420difficult to get that generation to understand that things have shifted under them uh to be fair
00:56:37.660to the boomers every generation has this problem uh you know in 10 years you two will wonder what
00:56:42.740the kids are on about uh you know it will happen to you as well uh but it is just a real serious
00:56:48.580generational issue and this is why i always say when you're having these conversations
00:56:52.060with your grandparents or with your parents,
00:56:56.520with people of these older generations.
00:56:58.660Don't come at them in a hostile manner.
00:57:00.800Come at them in a manner where you show