The Auron MacIntyre Show - Trump Takes Power ｜ Guest： Dave the Distributist ｜ 1⧸20⧸25

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00:00:38.360 Donald Trump has only been president for a few hours and already the libs are posting

00:00:43.740 crying immigrants online.

00:00:45.820 Elon Musk is throwing Roman salutes.

00:00:48.720 It's pretty much everything you would have expected just a few hours into Trump's ascension

00:00:54.580 as the 47th president of the United States.

00:00:58.360 And joining me tonight to discuss this is one of my favorite guests, Dave Distributis.

00:01:02.820 Thank you so much for coming on, man.

00:01:04.600 Hey, thanks for having me on.

00:01:05.940 I think I've realized why you are having me on today.

00:01:10.020 And it's not because I talk a lot about Donald Trump.

00:01:12.980 It's because I kind of had my political heyday or coming of age on YouTube in 2017.

00:01:20.120 And this feels a lot like a rerun of 2017, or I should say sort of an unsuccessful rerun

00:01:26.940 of 2017, because the events are the same, but the vibe is really, really different.

00:01:34.260 You know, in 2017, when Trump took office, the narrative kind of was solidifying, specifically

00:01:45.080 the leftist cathedral narrative was solidifying.

00:01:47.820 This was the moment that they were waiting for.

00:01:50.400 You know, we might discuss this later, you know, there was a scandal with someone throwing

00:01:57.420 a Roman salute in 2017, one Dickie Spencer, and the left was ready to fight fascism.

00:02:06.040 This was the first of the pussy hat marches that immediately preceded the inauguration.

00:02:12.740 There were all of these crying people of various genders at the inauguration and tales of immigrant

00:02:20.660 woes. 0.85

00:02:21.680 But when that was happening in 2017, the discourse was kind of ramping up, like, especially online.

00:02:30.480 This was kind of paving the way for the high point of political discourse on the internet.

00:02:37.400 And now everything just kind of feels like uneasy and quiet.

00:02:42.740 Especially on the left, the left is really, really quiet.

00:02:48.360 And this indicates that, however permanent this is, the left has actually suffered a defeat,

00:02:57.160 because this is something that the conservative movement never understands.

00:03:01.320 The left cries when it attacks.

00:03:04.400 When it gets defeated, it gets really, really quiet.

00:03:08.660 And right now it is really, I mean, they're trying to do this ever again.

00:03:11.460 Like, you had a few people, who is that person from the majority report, that insufferable woman 1.00

00:03:16.600 posting the image of the crying immigrants about to be deported.

00:03:20.560 And, like, no one's buying it, right?

00:03:22.000 And people are getting outraged because someone threw a Roman.

00:03:25.340 We might get into that later.

00:03:27.180 Nobody cares.

00:03:28.020 And all the while, there's this kind of, like, underlying question about what the new order is going to be.

00:03:36.180 And no one really has a good answer for that question yet.

00:03:39.480 Yeah, I'm always amused watching leftist TV coverage.

00:03:43.740 Maybe this is my bread tube.

00:03:45.580 You know, you're constantly torturing yourself by watching, you know, leftist video commenters, SAS.

00:03:54.100 But I will turn on...

00:03:55.780 Not so much anymore, because it's too boring.

00:03:57.580 Right.

00:03:58.040 Well, in the sense...

00:03:59.140 It's been too boring for the last eight months, even to watch.

00:04:02.100 It's just, it's utterly...

00:04:03.720 It's not even, like, interesting anymore.

00:04:06.180 It's just watching people who...

00:04:07.500 They're bored with themselves.

00:04:08.820 And that's really what's being reflected, I think, in the leftist news coverage as well.

00:04:14.820 You know, you turn on CBS or MSNBC while they're covering these events, and obviously they know what they're supposed to be doing.

00:04:23.480 They're kind of trying to go through the motions.

00:04:26.140 It's, you know, it's evil.

00:04:27.460 It's blah, blah, blah.

00:04:28.320 But really, the most recurring comment that you saw when Trump was giving his speeches, the inauguration, everything else, was, well, there he is.

00:04:37.760 Like, they genuinely did not have much to say.

00:04:41.560 They kind of mumbled something about a lack of unity and, oh, he spent so much of his speech talking about the Biden administration.

00:04:49.840 But that was all.

00:04:51.260 You know, all the, oh, the fascism.

00:04:53.600 Oh, it's Orange Hitler. 0.95

00:04:54.960 It's, they just, they had nothing.

00:04:57.360 Biden spent no time talking about the Trump administration.

00:05:00.180 That played no part in his administration, right?

00:05:04.240 Yeah.

00:05:04.420 Yeah, I mean, obviously, you're getting the hypocrisy there.

00:05:07.440 But it really is interesting.

00:05:09.660 And that's, you know, we're going to talk about the events, you know, kind of what Trump said.

00:05:13.980 Some of the first actions taken, we have actually seen some initial actions taken by the Trump administration through executive order.

00:05:21.100 But ultimately, the theme is this is going to be, you know, did the left actually suffer a defeat here?

00:05:26.720 Because, you know, many have said the woke has been put away.

00:05:30.160 It's just the powers that be pivoting.

00:05:32.080 But I want to know, are we seeing an actual defeat?

00:05:35.380 Like, did the right win something here?

00:05:38.160 Are there permanent changes?

00:05:39.640 I don't want you to answer that just yet.

00:05:41.060 Okay, yeah, I can say a lot about that.

00:05:43.080 Yes, and we will.

00:05:43.980 We'll dive into that.

00:05:44.820 I want to get through kind of the news hit parts, you know, first.

00:05:49.340 And then we'll do the deeper dive here in a second.

00:05:52.300 So the first thing that I think was interesting was, you know, Donald Trump came during this, the speech when he was being inaugurated.

00:06:02.100 And he spent a good amount of time just right up in front, you know, telling all of the Biden administration, you failed, you were terrible, you were abusive.

00:06:12.100 He actually called it the, you know, today liberation day, as if we had been under some form of occupation, not entirely wrong.

00:06:20.140 You know, and so, you know, the kind of the first thing that he did right out front was kind of focus in and hone in on the complete failures.

00:06:30.100 I doubt that any president has quite been so directly harsh in front of both the outgoing administration and his opponent as Trump was.

00:06:39.440 But he made it very clear that the failures were enormous.

00:06:42.360 You know, he came out and immediately said that the last election was rigged.

00:06:45.460 I mean, he was pretty brutal up front about, you know, the failures of the Biden administration, its abuses, and what he intended to do about them.

00:06:54.920 Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, this is, I don't know exactly.

00:06:59.380 So, I mean, the big question here is, it really is kind of out of our hand.

00:07:03.920 We can talk about exactly trying to curry influence inside the administration via social media, which is going to be, you know, this is something that actually happens.

00:07:14.600 You saw this with the H-1B debate during Christmastime, where, you know, the various apparatchiks sort of float ideas.

00:07:23.000 And then, you know, online, you kind of get a real-time testing of how those things float.

00:07:27.960 But the real question is not really about Trump's rhetoric.

00:07:31.260 I kind of know what Trump's rhetorical pattern is.

00:07:34.520 The real question is, how much is Trump willing to fight with the total state to get his people in there?

00:07:42.780 And how many of his people can he get in there?

00:07:45.780 And how quickly?

00:07:47.880 Right now, the mainstream is completely out of place.

00:07:52.980 They're completely caught off guard.

00:07:56.640 There's a window here for, you know, I guess we could just use the typical number, the first 100 days,

00:08:02.900 to see exactly how much of the deep state Trump can replace.

00:08:06.180 And the question is, how far can he go?

00:08:09.400 How far can he push the envelope?

00:08:11.100 And how ambitious will he be with that, right?

00:08:14.360 Like, does he have the vision of getting as far as we would need him to be to kind of make those things happen?

00:08:22.060 Yeah, I mean, it needs to happen quickly.

00:08:24.520 I mean, there will be an immune response.

00:08:27.640 I can't imagine.

00:08:28.940 The left has definitely taken a bloody nose.

00:08:31.500 I can't imagine that they're completely out of the count.

00:08:34.820 They just don't have a narrative to come back in on yet.

00:08:37.480 And the question is, how fast can he undo the systems that he needs to undo?

00:08:44.020 The mainstream media seems like it's really lost a lot of power.

00:08:48.420 As Isaac Simpson says, they can't current things, any things.

00:08:52.940 They can't current thing events anymore.

00:08:55.600 They can't turn a given event into the current thing.

00:08:58.460 And they haven't been able to do that since basically a year or so ago.

00:09:04.720 And the question now is, how much of the other elements of the government can he kind of put under a different regime?

00:09:14.640 The letter agencies, we've classically believed that those needed to be replaced.

00:09:21.200 But can they be reformed from the inside?

00:09:23.860 Can you, I mean, I know Rufo talks a lot about reforming the academy.

00:09:28.000 And that's the critical one in my point of view for any long-term change, any lasting change.

00:09:32.760 But I don't know.

00:09:35.080 What can you do?

00:09:36.200 Can you take control over the endowments?

00:09:38.660 Can you take control over how people approve grants?

00:09:42.420 I mean, the money that comes from grants and endowments is absolutely enormous when it comes to the universities.

00:09:49.180 And if that system can be seized and arranged so that colleges like Hillsdale and other alternatives become, in some sense, easier or better players for actually skipping up this money, then all of a sudden the entire game changes and there could be massive downstream effects.

00:10:10.000 But, you know, this is the thing, though, and I don't want to go on too much of a rant, but, like, the ruling class, right now, they're kind of dazed.

00:10:17.700 But this is like a boxing match.

00:10:20.000 Like, you know, oftentimes conservatives think, oh, well, we've got this victory.

00:10:23.840 And now, like, this is how it works now.

00:10:26.280 Your opponent in the boxing match doesn't stay still while you jab them.

00:10:30.640 And even if you catch them with a hook, one moment, they're back in the ring.

00:10:35.480 And, you know, you get punched in the face, too.

00:10:38.200 So, you know, that's why I say that these questions kind of have to just be answered by Trump himself at this stage.

00:10:45.980 The die is cast.

00:10:47.820 We need to see kind of what his moves are.

00:10:50.560 And, you know, we can cheer from the sidelines.

00:10:53.040 We can kind of try to push things a little bit like people did online in the H-1B debate.

00:10:57.840 But really, you know, the next hundred days are really dictated by the people that Trump's already selected and the moves that they're going to make.

00:11:08.620 And we're going to have to kind of react to the historical effects that fall out from these circumstances.

00:11:16.360 Yeah, I'd agree with that.

00:11:18.680 Obviously, you know, we both know that it's not about the surface rhetoric.

00:11:22.620 It's not about, oh, you know, I mean, Trump said a lot of good things today.

00:11:27.520 He said he plans to militarize the border.

00:11:29.880 He plans to declare, you know, cartels inside the United States as terrorist organizations.

00:11:37.080 He was talking about, you know, reshoring, you know, tariffs, all kinds of stuff.

00:11:41.820 A lot of the things that you would expect, you know, not massive things outside of the militarization of the border.

00:11:49.780 I think that was probably the biggest one.

00:11:51.840 But he also took some actions right away.

00:11:53.860 I mean, the one that I'm glad he did, but it's probably obviously the least directly impactful to the deep state itself, is, you know, formally declaring that there's only two genders.

00:12:05.360 You know, that is now the law of the land, you know, as it were.

00:12:10.520 I know it doesn't really do much.

00:12:11.820 I'm just saying that that that is a that that is that that is the university problem.

00:12:17.020 The gender thing comes from the universities and, you know, it will have only there can it be destroyed. 1.00

00:12:23.780 Correct.

00:12:24.360 Now, more importantly, the more concrete thing that that actually happened today was that the CBP app that the Biden administration had created was shut down.

00:12:37.520 And so that app, the one that that immigrants have been, you know, basically been using to just enter the United States in mass has been closed and all the appointments that were on it have been canceled.

00:12:50.380 In fact, this we've talked about the the crying immigrant.

00:12:54.140 Yeah, I guess I can just show the video here real quick so people know what we're talking about.

00:12:59.020 But this became kind of the first, you know, oh, no, Donald Trump has ended us all here.

00:13:05.300 You know, it's a, you know, very sad that she will not be getting her appointment to come in and collect American taxpayer dollars.

00:13:13.100 But, you know, this, you know, canceled all these appointments for people coming in, shutting down that program immediately was was definitely a good thing to see.

00:13:24.540 Hopefully we're following up a lot with that.

00:13:27.080 You know, obviously, we both know that immigration is is one of the largest issues, something that absolutely has to happen. 0.94

00:13:33.640 And the faster you do it, the better, you know, there's already been rumors.

00:13:39.460 Well, not just rumors.

00:13:40.700 Administration officials have said that there are going to be raids in places like Chicago and in other cities within the first week or two.

00:13:49.920 But but I agree with you 100 percent.

00:13:51.620 It feels like the most important thing is how much of the deep state can he repeal or replace?

00:13:57.780 And and the biggest battle for that while the left is stunned is really moving through his own party, you know, navigating kind of the Republicans.

00:14:06.780 How many of those can he get disciplined on side so he can move important people into those positions while the left is still trying to collectively quiet, you know, licking its wounds?

00:14:16.220 This is oftentimes something that I think conservatives miss is that the if you if you essentially created new bodies like to to to address the humanitarian issue, you can you can actually get your way.

00:14:32.620 Like, for instance, if you created the office for humanitarian repatriation, right, like that would be like, how can we find how can we get people who are no longer able to work in this country by law, like the best lives outside of this country and stuff at all with your own guys, then all of a sudden, like, it's not deportations.

00:14:54.940 It's humanitarian repatriation.

00:14:57.140 And, you know, and and and and so like these things like it sounds stupid, right, but this is this is how this is the name of the game.

00:15:05.400 The name of the game is creating systems of government that do that essentially increase your power base and that are very, very hard to repeal.

00:15:14.920 And and and and and then putting the question that that that the left wants to center kind of outside of politics, essentially, and the question that needs to be outside of politics at this stage is the idea that illegal immigrants get to stay here, period, in any condition, if they are illegal, then is not a political question.

00:15:36.920 They have to go home, period, period, this is not a political question, this is decided, this is done.

00:15:43.480 And the only question is, you know, who is the best person at deporting them, right, like in the best quality of deportation, we have the best quality deporters you can possibly imagine.

00:15:55.680 The Democrats will never be able to do it as efficiently or as or as humanitarianly or as kindly as we do, right.

00:16:02.040 And that has to be the frame of the conversation, you know, but again, like there's so many dimensions to this, because as everyone points out to the question is not simply legal immigration, illegal immigration, but also legal immigration, like H1B reform has to be part of this.

00:16:19.780 And, you know, just this, the entire concept of the point system writ large has to be part of this conversation.

00:16:26.420 And, you know, this there's a whole set of new stakeholders here who are going to be trying to subvert this effort inside the Trump administration.

00:16:35.440 And we don't exactly know what their moves are going to be.

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00:17:13.260 Yeah, there's obviously a key moment here as we look at the immigration issue, like you said, where it's not just illegal, but legal that needs to change.

00:17:23.680 And I feel like Elon and Vivek did us quite the favor by kind of bringing H1B to the forefront. 0.70

00:17:30.420 I think that's something that probably would have been under the radar for the vast majority of people on the right as they kind of focus on the illegal issue.

00:17:38.560 If they hadn't tried to kind of launch this narrative on Christmas Day, but because they did, a lot of people suddenly realized that many of the jobs they want are being filled by H1B recipients. 0.92

00:17:52.220 But also Panda Express managers are listening to H1B.

00:17:57.100 So many of the jobs being held up by kind of mainstream conservative pundits are also being filled by this.

00:18:05.420 And really that ability to continually focus that.

00:18:09.200 I mean, there's a certain level that this is online.

00:18:11.440 You know, but as we're seeing more and more, online discussions are leading to real-world effects.

00:18:19.800 You know, Curtis Yarvin was in the New York Times this week.

00:18:22.660 We'll talk about that in a second, I'm sure, as well.

00:18:24.840 Yeah.

00:18:24.980 But we're seeing that there's actually quite a bit of leverage that the online sphere can kind of bring to this.

00:18:30.800 You know, we don't want to overblow the importance.

00:18:33.160 Ultimately, you know, they're not sitting at the table in many of these cases.

00:18:38.540 But the fact that this is kind of present and, you know, that people were made aware of this allows there to continue to be pressure put on that.

00:18:47.260 You don't have that ability to just kind of slide the H1B thing under the door anymore now that you've kind of blown that open.

00:18:53.500 Yeah, I mean, this is something that I kind of want to talk about before we get on to the New York Times-Yarvin interview or whatever.

00:19:00.920 But this is sort of a turning point or a crossroads for the conservative movement.

00:19:05.260 And the question is, do you actually want to rule this country?

00:19:08.700 I mean, do you actually want to rule it?

00:19:10.340 Or do you just want to, like, nag people or scold them? 0.99

00:19:13.600 And this is something that, you know, Rufo, you can see this kind of his best and worst form has come out in these last several months.

00:19:23.500 And, you know, this is a person who's been a very effective operator.

00:19:26.960 I've never talked to him.

00:19:28.020 You have.

00:19:29.520 He's been a very effective operator across the Biden administration in particular.

00:19:34.580 And he talks to people on the right wing, and he seems like he understands these principles.

00:19:41.760 But then at the end of the time, he feels like sometimes he doesn't understand them.

00:19:45.560 The conservative movement needs to actually start taking ownership over these core levers of power and these core stakeholders and these core interest groups.

00:19:56.820 You don't get power by going around and nagging people over plagiarism.

00:20:02.920 I mean, that's very – it was a great optics victory when he caught Claudine Gay at Harvard in that scandal. 0.63

00:20:09.240 But that's not – your role is not to go around and make sure the progressives are following their own rules.

00:20:15.940 Your role is to go around and create power coalitions out of problems that the progressives aren't addressing.

00:20:22.720 And a big problem that progressives aren't addressing right now are how do Native young men, Americans who are born here, how do they get effective jobs that allow them to participate in a meaningful way inside a middle class or a class of people that has some share of political power?

00:20:41.200 And this is intimately connected to the university's problems in a way that's much deeper than plagiarism inside these bureaucrats that – they always had symbolic jobs anyway.

00:20:55.980 And in the age of all of the generative AI stuff, the question of plagiarism has meant less than it ever has before.

00:21:02.120 But at any rate, this is the question, like how do you actually deal with this problem and how can you take the question of young men, young men who are born in America, as Bruce Springsteen would say, and how do you take them and give them futures?

00:21:20.660 The crown's on the gutter in this question.

00:21:23.200 The left certainly isn't going to answer it.

00:21:25.000 The last time I was on, you were talking about the left's masculinity problem.

00:21:28.020 They have absolutely no vision for men of any race, but for white men in particular.

00:21:35.020 And what's kind of frustrated me right now is this crown in the gutter, the conservative movement, just refuses to take it.

00:21:43.820 They refuse to take it.

00:21:44.900 Just like the Daily Wire refuses to fill the vacant area of high classic culture like Shakespeare production, the mainstream conservative movement, they refuse to actually cut out a way that they can systematically change the government to make it serve a whole class of people that needs to get served and that the left will never serve.

00:22:11.940 Yeah, it's been like a huge frustration of mine to see them kind of not take this opportunity.

00:22:18.040 Hopefully something will change where they can actually, you know, come into a new role where they actually might rule.

00:22:24.260 Yeah.

00:22:24.700 When the crown is in the gutter, the response to conservatives is, why haven't you cleaned the gutter?

00:22:29.220 You know, like that's the actual.

00:22:30.860 There's a crown on the gutter.

00:22:31.740 Why is this here?

00:22:32.520 Well, the gutter should be cleaner.

00:22:34.880 Have you thought, why pick up the crown when you could be cleaning gutters?

00:22:38.580 Like, are you above cleaning the gutter?

00:22:40.760 Who wants to wear the crown? 0.98

00:22:41.720 Do you think you're special?

00:22:42.740 You know, that really does feel like the response.

00:22:45.640 And look, like I said, I've talked to Chris.

00:22:49.000 I like Chris.

00:22:49.920 I think he's done a lot of great work.

00:22:51.480 Obviously, one of the most effective conservative activists in our lifetime.

00:22:55.880 That said, you know, when you look at the left, the left is offering their entire Patriarch Network a giant glut of make work jobs. 0.72

00:23:07.580 Right. Like just massive amounts of if you believe in what we believe, there is a future of high status, well-paying jobs that will open doors to you across, you know, corporate, corporate, the corporate world, the NGO world, the government sector.

00:23:24.280 You know, we can turn the world into your oyster if you believe in what we believe in.

00:23:28.940 And the rights response to that is like, well, no.

00:23:33.580 You know, like, it's like, like, have you go get go work at Panda Express and work your way up.

00:23:39.140 Right. Are you hitting on the kid? Are you hitting on the girl at the gas station?

00:23:42.080 You know, like that's that that's the response.

00:23:44.360 And, you know, specifically, you know, Rufo said, well, you know, I hired one guy.

00:23:49.360 It's like, well, you hired like the most unstable human being alive.

00:23:53.280 But, you know, he's like, I heard one right wing male and it didn't work out.

00:23:56.920 So I'm going to fill my jobs with like Biden supporters who have worked in the adult film industry.

00:24:02.360 And it's like, OK, like maybe you aren't the guy to give this speech, you know, maybe maybe maybe some guys do need to hear the tough love speech.

00:24:11.580 But maybe we could get a guy to give the tough love speech who is, you know, connected, you know, 50, 60, 100 young men with, you know, promising, you know, important jobs like maybe that's more the way to do this.

00:24:25.100 I mean, again, I think that there are many different avenues that the right it would be good if the right was actually employing conservatives that would be or the right wingers that'd be fantastic.

00:24:35.200 But also, you know, just opening up and saying, hey, we're we're going after disparate impact.

00:24:40.160 We are going to work on the credentialing system in the university to make it so that, you know, you can you can get certifications instead of having to, you know, pay pay the, you know, the toll at these different left wing universities to indoctrinate yourself before you step into any position of power.

00:24:57.840 There are there are there are a plethora of options.

00:25:00.540 You know, you can have a all fronts type attack on this in the same way that they've kind of been saying they're going to do with immigration.

00:25:08.460 And yet there doesn't seem to be an understanding of how critical this is.

00:25:13.140 I mean, I looked at a recent statistic and it was, you know, the most hopeful demographic for the Trump presidency was 18 to 28 year olds.

00:25:23.760 You know, it's the it's the boomers that had the lowest actual, despite what you would think from kind of the conservative energy, they have the lowest hopefulness rating.

00:25:32.440 And it was, you know, the young people that had the highest hopefulness rating for the incoming administration.

00:25:37.400 Seems like you have kind of a very good opportunity to strike while they're in hot air.

00:25:41.960 And instead, the answer is kind of like, oh, you know, we got we got other stuff to do, I guess.

00:25:46.340 Well, I mean, just this is one thing that that Yarvin was really and I I really didn't think Yarvin actually conducted himself very well in the Rufo Yarvin debate, which was sort of a I was like a prime fight.

00:26:01.500 Was that I think that was 2024, actually?

00:26:04.400 Yeah, I did a video on it.

00:26:05.540 It's at least a year ago at this point, I think almost.

00:26:08.740 But it was a it's a situation where where Yarvin was mostly right.

00:26:12.780 But the way he was the way he communicated, it was very poor.

00:26:16.300 Yeah.

00:26:16.520 Oh, yeah, exactly.

00:26:17.740 It was kind of unfortunately, you know, he can't it's so easy to condescend.

00:26:22.360 Right.

00:26:23.420 And, you know, this might be a this might be a California thing.

00:26:27.460 I've been accused of it myself.

00:26:28.780 Right.

00:26:29.540 And Yarvin did that.

00:26:30.920 But he did hit on the number one thing, which is that a lot of people like Rufo.

00:26:36.680 Rufo does not seem to understand the scale.

00:26:38.740 Of what he's up against the number of people who have to have progressive ideas as part

00:26:46.300 of their public record in employment to hold the jobs that they hold is enormous.

00:26:51.160 It's an enormous slice of the economy.

00:26:54.260 It's it's you know, it's an enormous slice of the universities.

00:26:57.600 It's it's a majority of the positions in the university when you rope in the admins and

00:27:03.920 the number of departments that have explicitly ideological components to their education.

00:27:08.740 It's it's absolute.

00:27:10.080 And then then that's not that's leaving aside all of the EOC aligned bodies and the

00:27:16.260 unelected government.

00:27:16.960 It's just it's absolutely enormous.

00:27:18.800 And and if we cannot create a separate system for advancement that's parallel to that, I

00:27:25.000 don't know what we're even doing as a counter progressive movement.

00:27:28.800 We're certainly not competing in the same game that they are.

00:27:31.560 And this this is this is a test for the conservative movement for right wingers.

00:27:36.560 Generally, we've got to start building.

00:27:39.780 We've got to start organizing young men or we're not going to get very far at all.

00:27:44.660 Well, you you really I think what these guys want to do is say, well, we're we're going

00:27:50.440 to hand out opportunity as where the left is saying we're going to hand out patronage

00:27:54.800 and the battle between, you know, kind of a very highly ambiguous opportunity in which

00:28:01.400 you've already kind of explicitly stated you're not going to repeal many of the government's

00:28:06.000 you know, barriers like, you know, the civil rights legislation to that opportunity, then

00:28:13.800 really patronage is always going to win.

00:28:15.500 You know, the guy the guy standing around saying we have a future tracked out for you

00:28:19.160 as opposed to like, well, sure.

00:28:20.920 Hope you figure that out.

00:28:22.140 Maybe we'll get a couple of the things that are causing you problems out of their way like

00:28:25.840 that.

00:28:26.000 That's always going to be an issue.

00:28:27.640 And and I think that they're they're having difficulty kind of grasping the difference there

00:28:32.720 between the university system is patronage.

00:28:35.800 Right.

00:28:36.300 People don't understand this.

00:28:37.840 The the idea that this is some kind of like organic extension of the free market, like

00:28:42.740 that's what seems to be the conservative, like the conservative assumption is that the

00:28:45.800 university is an organic extension of the free market that was captured by the left at

00:28:51.280 some stage and then became a patronage network for them.

00:28:54.920 The problem was that this life was always like universities used to be seminaries.

00:29:00.820 And in my opinion, they never stopped being seminaries.

00:29:03.400 They're like these little cordoned off utopian schemes where people live like that.

00:29:09.340 That's the illusion for four years.

00:29:11.340 You get to you get to live like you are on the cusp of being the new ruling class.

00:29:17.840 And if you play your cards right, maybe you can actually join the ruling class, but that's

00:29:22.940 what the university is.

00:29:24.780 It doesn't exist in any other way.

00:29:26.780 And to pretend like this is an extension of the free market or that this is like corporate 0.95

00:29:31.220 training that the government has like subsidizes is is kind of ridiculous.

00:29:36.300 And I think it misses the whole understanding of what a university actually is.

00:29:42.240 Yeah.

00:29:43.240 But before we get too deep into our more substantive issues, I have to play one more of the clickbait

00:29:48.340 things here real quick.

00:29:49.240 Oh, actually, while I do, people are saying your mic is a little low.

00:29:52.240 So if you have ability to dial up a little bit, I will try to boost it.

00:29:56.180 All right.

00:29:57.180 So this is this is our our new hail gate, our new find people on both sides controversy here.

00:30:06.180 Here is Elon throwing the old Roman salute here.

00:30:10.120 That's that's the the clip making the rounds obviously everywhere in the media now to put we have to make that an animated gift.

00:30:21.240 An animated gift.

00:30:22.240 Oh, I mean, it's I mean, it already is, baby.

00:30:24.240 It's right there.

00:30:26.080 That said, here here is the actual context for, you know, how this came about for making it happen.

00:30:38.180 Thank you.

00:30:43.180 Now, now, very obviously, like, Elon is covering his heart here, you know, repeatedly, he's making

00:30:50.640 the same gesture from any any extended context.

00:30:53.640 It's pretty obvious what he was doing there.

00:30:55.640 But of course, the left has just lost their minds.

00:30:58.640 It's you know, it's it's a, you know, fascist takeover.

00:31:01.640 It's a Nazi rally in the middle of Washington, D.C.

00:31:04.640 It's the virtual oligarchic co-president throwing up his support for, you know, the Nazi party, et cetera.

00:31:11.640 I boosted my mic a little bit.

00:31:12.640 So hopefully that's much better.

00:31:13.640 Yeah.

00:31:14.640 Okay.

00:31:15.640 Perfect.

00:31:16.640 I mean, so I believe hand over a heart than hand in the air was across the 19th century, a classic American salute.

00:31:22.640 I I'm pretty sure that handed the heart to the air was what a lot of people did, you know, when they're saluting the flag.

00:31:28.640 And I could be misremembering this, but it didn't look particularly German.

00:31:34.640 But I don't know.

00:31:35.640 Some people are saying that this is like autism, that this is like, you know, Elon had kind of a spurky moment.

00:31:41.640 And it kind of fits into that whole saying that, you know, a sufficient level of autism is indistinguishable from self-sabotage.

00:31:50.640 Or, you know, I mean, he's a very physically awkward person.

00:31:55.640 If you see him at the Trump rallies, he's he's like runs on stage and starts leaping in the air and throwing his hands around, you know, looking like a child who's in distress in a theme park line like that.

00:32:06.640 You know, this is very common behavior for Elon.

00:32:10.640 It should not be surprising.

00:32:12.640 Well, there is a different way to see this, though.

00:32:15.640 And I guess I do I do find the autism explanation really sympathetic.

00:32:20.640 But another way to say this, which is let's pretend this is 2017, right?

00:32:26.640 I remember that what what kicked off the Trump years in 2017 was Richard Spencer giving a very, very similar salute at his rally.

00:32:38.640 And this was it was weird because Richard Spencer was never part of the Trump campaign.

00:32:43.640 No, not at all at all at all.

00:32:46.640 But but he just kind of like he kind of he was a guy in another room with a rally that was completely unendorsed or connected to any mainstream, you know, right wing thing.

00:32:55.640 But but what the thing is, is that this this salute, which is, again, almost identical to the Elon one.

00:33:01.640 And probably, let's be honest, I don't think Richard Spencer is a Nazi.

00:33:05.640 I just think he's an autist, too. 0.94

00:33:06.640 And he was probably doing the exact same thing that Elon was doing.

00:33:09.640 He was having a Spurg moment, right? 1.00

00:33:11.640 Well, he did say hail Trump.

00:33:13.640 So slightly different.

00:33:15.640 But that but that that moment was so toxic that the media over the course of the last four years used that moment to kind of wedge and roll up the Trump movement and roll out their own anti fascist like European style Antifa activism in the United States over the course of four years.

00:33:38.640 To the extent where you have like an army showing up in 2020 to burn down American cities in the name of fighting Trumpian fascism.

00:33:45.640 And, you know, all right, which was, you know, Spencer's word for his movement that he stole from, I think, Godfrey or something.

00:33:53.640 Yeah, like it didn't exist before then, like all of the hysteria around that.

00:33:58.640 And sure, there's leftists losing their mind over this Spurg out moment from Elon, but like nothing's going to happen like this.

00:34:07.640 No one's going to think.

00:34:08.640 I mean, it's going to be a joke.

00:34:10.640 It's going to be a moment that people put into a gif and like, you know, send out to each other on social media, like, you know, it's going to be kind of like a meme for right wingers to recognize each other.

00:34:22.640 There's going to be a lot of good mornings, good mornings, you know, that thing there.

00:34:27.640 But, but like, no, no one's going to care about this in, in, in two months.

00:34:32.640 It's not going to be, it's not going to be like another anti fascist leftist surge based on this.

00:34:38.640 Like, this is not fixing left's narrative problems.

00:34:41.640 It does not give them activist energy.

00:34:44.640 No one's feel like no one on the left is feeling energized by this.

00:34:48.640 They're, they're still incredibly, incredibly confused.

00:34:51.640 I mean, they're trying to go Trump's Hitler again, you know, and what's so ironic is that, that, you know, I kind of lied when I said that I don't completely pay attention to the left side.

00:35:01.640 Everyone in left is like, why are all the conservatives disrespecting Martin Luther King today?

00:35:06.640 Cause today's Martin Luther King day.

00:35:08.640 Right.

00:35:09.640 And what's so notable about this one is that usually you have, well, I mean, I guess some, some, some.

00:35:14.640 Some normie cons are going on about Martin Luther King, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:35:18.640 But, but now these days, almost all of the conservative influencers that are as old or younger than me are all either not commenting on it or counter signaling Martin Luther King.

00:35:31.640 And the left actively aware of how left wing he was and how much he would have been against all of their beliefs.

00:35:37.640 Exactly.

00:35:38.640 And, and, and, and less complaining about this, but the problem is, is that once, once the right stops embracing these icons of the left and Martin Luther King certainly was one of them.

00:35:51.640 The, their, their power to, to take umbrage over us, not celebrating him or us kind of seeing him for, you know, for the complicated individual that he was, and he was morally compromised in, in, in a number of ways, which I'm sure you're aware of.

00:36:06.640 Right.

00:36:07.640 And that's deciding that, okay, no, we're not going to treat this person as a secular saint and, and, and, and teach our children that he was the greatest hero of American history and then get gobsmacked when they go away to college and learn that he was a socialist who supported affirmative action.

00:36:22.640 And once that is taken away from them, they don't have the same angle to, to do this whole, like Martin Luther King versus Adolf Hitler story that was so effective for the, that they did in 2017.

00:36:35.640 Yeah.

00:36:36.180 The narrative is just dead, right?

00:36:37.600 There's no in.

00:36:38.580 Yeah.

00:36:39.020 There, there's this weird transition where the left kind of got done with Martin Luther King, right?

00:36:42.840 Like he wasn't radical enough for them.

00:36:44.600 And so conservatives pounced on him saying, uh, you know, conservatives pounce, Republicans pounce.

00:36:49.140 Uh, but they, you know, they, they, they embraced him saying, oh, well, you know, that we're the real heirs of Martin Luther King.

00:36:55.620 Now that the left is done with him, we can pick him up and we can embrace him.

00:36:59.860 And he, that's our mantra, you know, it's, you know, you know, content of your character, et cetera, et cetera.

00:37:06.100 But once you, once you transition, you realize actually the content of Martin Luther King's character was a lot of cheating on his wife and being a socialist.

00:37:14.140 Yeah, calling, you know, calling for, uh, you know, affirmative action and racial quotes.

00:37:19.420 And, and Rufo would have nailed him back then.

00:37:22.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.

00:37:23.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:23.620 He would have been doing plagiarism.

00:37:25.760 He would have been able to nail Dr. Martin Luther King.

00:37:28.880 Most assuredly.

00:37:29.700 Worse than he ever nailed Claudine Gay to the wall.

00:37:32.720 Right.

00:37:33.480 Does it matter?

00:37:34.100 And so once the left has already abandoned the shibboleth and the right says, you know what, we're done with it too.

00:37:41.080 What do you do?

00:37:41.720 Right.

00:37:41.960 Like, do you, do you, as the left run back to Martin Luther King saying, oh no, this is what we really wanted the whole time.

00:37:47.420 You know, like you've already transcended well beyond this guy.

00:37:50.540 This guy isn't sufficiently radical by several miles for you at this point.

00:37:55.020 And you're right that, uh, you know, the, between, you know, the Elon throwing the Roman and the crying, uh, immigrants, it feels like a repeat, right? 0.99

00:38:02.820 We're hitting all the beats, you know, we're, you know, look, look at all this fascism, look at all the, the, and just nobody cares.

00:38:09.540 Nobody cares.

00:38:10.440 It's all, you know, we're barely going through the motions.

00:38:13.700 There are a certain group of people who care.

00:38:15.560 And those people are the centrist, conservative, liberal types that you see from like the James Lindsay crowd.

00:38:21.420 Those guys care.

00:38:22.640 But at this point, conservatives are the only people that care about this mythology.

00:38:28.280 They're the only ones who care about these, these liberal ideas.

00:38:32.780 Uh, everyone else has moved on because we realize that these symbols are totally irrelevant to the question over who rules North America and who creates the ideology that will teach to the next generation, which is the critical decision about who rules.

00:38:48.000 And, uh, you know, the, the, the, the problem is, is, is that the, the reigning PMC coalition, uh, it doesn't really have a good answer for this anymore.

00:38:59.460 Once, once, once they're kind of civil rights, Uber all less kind of grinds to a halt and they have to on, on, on, unravel this a little bit.

00:39:08.820 And they're kind of like lost children.

00:39:11.040 And, and I guess this probably might, might get in us until the, the next thing you want to talk about, but the, the, the vibe shift has happened.

00:39:20.520 And the vibe shift is that our ruling class is totally lost.

00:39:24.820 They are still in control of the institutions.

00:39:27.000 They still have the money and power and we largely do not, but they also do not have a working political formula.

00:39:33.720 And so what they're, they're just like kind of casting about like to random people that they would never have platformed before and, and, and thinking like, okay, can we make peace with this person?

00:39:43.860 How could, how can we integrate choice elements of conservatism and neo reaction?

00:39:49.000 And I don't know, communism or, or I don't anything, anything to make our political formula work anymore, anything that lead, because what they're worried about is once they shift the narrative, there'll be this like cascading narrative collapse that will cause everyone to kind of defect on them at once.

00:40:07.260 The way that it happened in the Soviet union, like once the Gorbachevian kind of retraction came, like everyone kind of stopped believing in it at once.

00:40:16.260 And then basically anyone could step in and take power.

00:40:20.480 And, you know, eventually Vladimir Putin did.

00:40:22.940 I mean, there's a person, a transitional figure that as of no consequence that everyone made fun of in the nineties in the form of Yeltsin.

00:40:31.320 But, you know, that's what they're worried about.

00:40:34.040 The thing is, and so they are in fact trying to put the woke away.

00:40:37.860 The problem is, is that nothing can, is really working that well.

00:40:41.580 And that's why, that's why the left hasn't researched.

00:40:47.120 Is the resurgent going to be Bernie Sanders?

00:40:49.940 Like, but how, right?

00:40:51.660 How, like his ideas don't make any sense.

00:40:54.120 And he doesn't take, Bernie Sanders does not actually take large critical portions of the PMC class with him.

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00:41:32.740 Yeah, it feels like you have these tacked on remnants of the political formula that existed before.

00:41:39.080 As you said, nobody knows exactly how to reformulate that.

00:41:43.100 They know it's petered out.

00:41:44.280 It would be hilarious if, you know, the kind of the progressive regime falls because Tucker Carlson found out that groceries were affordable somewhere else, just like the Soviet Union.

00:41:55.360 Like, oh, you mean you can just go places and buy groceries for affordable?

00:41:59.500 There's places where you can buy affordable housing in other countries.

00:42:02.740 But you really do have that moment where I think you're right.

00:42:06.980 We're not facing a full circulation of elites yet, right?

00:42:09.760 But what we have seen is several key elites defect, at least to some extent.

00:42:16.080 We're seeing a counter-elite that is at least forming and some of its members are in place if we have not seen a complete revolution inside of all these different, you know, these different institutions.

00:42:28.780 And so the question is, you know, do we think that this is something that will be kind of aborted, you know, midstream?

00:42:37.460 Like, is this something that that Trump can get over the finish line, the right can get over the finish line?

00:42:42.360 Does it does it seem like they have the vision and the momentum and the understanding necessary to do this?

00:42:48.280 Or will eventually, like, just kind of Jeff Bezos and Zuckerberg kind of, you know, bro out, go on Joe Rogan, you know, practice a little MMA and then kind of go right back to what they were doing before.

00:43:02.180 But they don't announce all of their diversity hires quite so loudly.

00:43:06.780 I mean, that's what they want to do.

00:43:08.020 What they want to do is they want to have kind of like a Richard Hananiya-style Silicon Valley-focused elite human capital conservative progressivism or, like, new progressivism that is Silicon Valley.

00:43:22.340 The problem is that their core young activist class does not like that.

00:43:28.320 You know, they're not going to be on board with that.

00:43:30.840 And so this is the thing, the ruling class does not know how to properly situate itself so that they have an activist class of young people.

00:43:42.740 Now, I mean, there is kind of this weird thing where, paradoxically, you could see, like, a lot of the economically dispossessed young men from both the left and the right, they both have an interest for a much, much more radical circulation of elites.

00:43:57.800 But the problem there, again, is that any kind of alliance like that would essentially just become an extension of the right wing at this stage because the left is just so insane that they could never organize anything or put forward a leadership class that wouldn't immediately just kind of descend into its own self-destruction.

00:44:18.160 And so I think, you know, the real losers, I mean, I'm making predictions here, but it seems like the real losers are the people who imagined a genuine left-wing radicalism being the alternative to the PMC.

00:44:31.240 And, you know, there is an opening here for the elite human capital types to kind of become the new establishment.

00:44:40.180 But at the same time, as they become kind of more brutally capitalistic and more kind of coldly and uncaringly just maximize GDP as much as possible, they also open themselves up to a more kind of – a much, much more intellectual populist opposition that sees the sort of spiritual holes.

00:45:04.280 And is able to kind of capture a lot of the Christopher Lash type ex-leftist intellectuals and merge them into kind of a new spiritual revolution that provides a new vision for humanity, which is – I guess that's kind of always been my hope.

00:45:22.280 Is to kind of – to see kind of a new kind of Christian spirituality emerge from the spirituality that was left over from people like Reinhard Niebler and then revivified in the form of right-wing politics that can bring, you know, a new understanding of collective responsibility to the fore.

00:45:47.020 Now, if someone's like here from Curtis Yarvin, he'll say, like, oh, that's – it's way, way, way, way, way, way too early for that, right?

00:45:56.380 We need to go through this sort of soulless Caesarean Silicon Valley phrase before we have the kind of Merovingian renaissance that I'm imagining.

00:46:06.000 I'm borrowing from Spengler here, obviously, or maybe not so obviously.

00:46:10.380 But, you know, I think that is more the dynamic that's coming out.

00:46:15.140 In some sense, you know, we'll always have leftism with us, but the kind of runaway leftist effect that we saw from 2012, that might be in remission for a really long time, potentially.

00:46:30.740 Well, like you said, you know, when we saw even for a moment the left mention that they might need to address the problems of men, you know, the activists and even much of the media class lost their mind, right?

00:46:46.160 Do you remember that moment where they're like, well, we got to get our own Joe Rogan?

00:46:49.900 And people just lost it on, you know, the few voices that were like, maybe announcing that we hate half the population isn't the way to win this thing.

00:46:59.420 You know, that almost shattered, you know, part of their coalition, just people suggesting that they make that small adjustment.

00:47:06.420 So I think you're right that ultimately the left is not going to be able to reform itself into something that is going to appeal to a large amount of, you know, kind of the young activist base.

00:47:17.540 And when we see kind of the elite human capital guys slide in, yes, they can make certain arguments that appeal to, you know, I'm sure a percentage of the elites that don't want to completely see a full circulation or trying to find a way to capture this.

00:47:33.320 But again, we see the HB1 blow up, we see the, you know, the Great Panda Express scandal, you know, it becomes clear that a lot of those answers aren't good.

00:47:43.480 Like, you know, not to get too in the weeds on the internet, but if you saw the Hanania, Jared Taylor, you know, interview and Jared Taylor start insulting a bunch of, you know, white guys in the middle of West Virginia. 0.57

00:47:58.140 Like, it's very clear that, you know, I understand these people have an audience somewhere in kind of the upper middle class to elite, you know, but they don't have any kind of real support base outside of that.

00:48:14.720 And I, I know that seems like a weak criticism since we're fans of elite theory, but it reminds me of kind of the, um, uh, sorry, what is the, the, the Catholic, uh, version of Christian nationalism?

00:48:24.100 The, uh, integralism?

00:48:26.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:26.840 Uh, it reminds me of integralism in the same sense that like, there are six Catholic converts in the elite circles that like that idea.

00:48:38.800 And then no one else cares about it.

00:48:40.500 Right.

00:48:40.840 And, and that's just a, it's just a, it's just a, it's just a hypothesis.

00:48:44.220 It's a conjecture, right?

00:48:45.600 Right.

00:48:45.980 And that's not an experiment.

00:48:47.460 It feels like the same thing with the elite human capital guys.

00:48:49.940 Like it's a movement for a handful of elite guys in the middle of nowhere, you know, built by a bunch of elite guys who feel straight in the middle of nowhere.

00:48:58.440 But it, it, there's no organic base.

00:49:01.100 There's no real social movement behind it.

00:49:03.280 Uh, you know, not, not to push populism too much here, but to make a real political formula, you do need the population to buy in.

00:49:10.460 And when no one cares about your elite political formula, it's dead in the water.

00:49:15.820 Well, I mean, the elite human capital people have the advantage that they just have huge quantities of money, airdrop projects.

00:49:24.300 They can buy the support, I suppose.

00:49:26.340 It doesn't matter if, you know, I know, can, can, can, can money buy populism?

00:49:30.520 It's a good, it's a good question.

00:49:31.980 I, you know, this is, uh, you know, you, you need to have a certain number of, of energized young men to, to make these dreams come true and to get new political formulas going.

00:49:45.800 And, uh, I guess this is, this is just the, the problem right now is that every, every avenue has kind of been cut, cut into pieces.

00:49:55.100 There, there are no, uh, but here, here's, here's another dimension of this too, right?

00:50:01.820 And this, this is the same thing true with the Panda Express or, or the Zoomer question.

00:50:07.040 Uh, and you can kind of see like what the, what the new political formula needs to be in the future for the human race. 0.98

00:50:14.000 So, you know, Jared Taylor does this whole thing about, uh, you know, shitting on poor people from Appalachia.

00:50:20.960 Uh, this has kind of been, um, this has kind of been like just how the ruling class in America has been everywhere since the end of the civil war. 0.87

00:50:29.860 It's kind of been like, as soon as you enter into an elite space in America, like you can just insult the people from the South.

00:50:36.980 It is like, it is like, this is people do.

00:50:39.920 And, you know, I think even, even elites in the South kind of do that, which apparently was what happens.

00:50:45.320 Uh, and, and, and, and fortunately, this is, this is one of the seedier elements of, of class and caste dynamics in inside societies.

00:50:53.800 But I think what, what kind of needs to also be said, and there's sort of a J.D. advanced dimension to this too.

00:51:00.360 It is true that, that poor populations in Appalachia and Zoomers, they do need a lot of tough love.

00:51:09.540 Uh, it's just really, really important.

00:51:12.100 And this is sort of what we're fighting over right now.

00:51:14.980 It's really, really important that the people who are signing up to be their leaders demonstrate that they're giving this tough love because they're trying to form them into something better.

00:51:26.220 That they actually love them that, or they actually loyal to them.

00:51:29.860 You have to demonstrate you're loyal to people in order to be able to, you know, be the proper purveyor of, of the tough love that you're supposedly giving them.

00:51:41.020 And, and, and, and, you know, the, the problem here is I think less so with Jared Taylor.

00:51:45.360 And I think a lot of people getting angry at him.

00:51:47.700 I think there's genuine reasons to kind of, I think, you know, think that he's wrong in a lot of regards.

00:51:53.340 And I've criticized him in the past for, for various things, especially his theology, you know, which is much overly racial, racially focused.

00:52:03.220 But the, the, the, I think that if you have an established track record of defending people collectively.

00:52:11.580 Then I think you, you, you, you as a leader have the ability to kind of give people a little bit of tough love as encouragement.

00:52:18.700 That also has to be part of the conversation.

00:52:21.400 If we kind of walk into this, oh, we just want to be validated.

00:52:24.960 We just want to be, you know, we want to be told how wonderful we are as our families fall apart, as our IQ goes down, as, you know, everyone's having wedlock out of, children out of wedlock, as we have increasing drug issues.

00:52:40.040 I mean, you know, the African-American community got that from the Democrat Party.

00:52:43.860 And then I'm not sure that they're better for it.

00:52:46.580 I mean, I know they're not better for it.

00:52:48.200 And so, you know, there is sort of a much more mature conversation going on here.

00:52:53.620 And, and, and we'll need, I'm not so sure this is the right time to have that conversation right now, because right now, really the elites have to understand what their vision is before they start selling it to the rest of the American people.

00:53:08.280 But that, that, that tough love is going to have to be a dimension of that vision.

00:53:15.060 Yeah.

00:53:15.820 It's amazing the difficult truths you can tell people when they think you actually care about them, but it's the caring about them and the showing your loyalty and demonstrating your ability to reach out for someone, you know, it's the, you know, not, not to make this a, you know, a theological thing or a spiritual thing, but, you know, where else are you going to go?

00:53:34.760 As you say, our problems are spiritual here.

00:53:36.280 Or, you know, if you just walk up to someone on the middle of the street and you're like, you need Christ, you know, that works like a very low percentage of the time.

00:53:45.100 But if you have a presence in someone's life, if you are helping to build a better community, if you are putting forward an example of what, you know, you're being an exemplar of kind of what a good life and what a good family looks like, you are creating opportunity for people in your community.

00:54:00.360 And then you turn to somebody and they're like, man, you know, how, how do I make my life better?

00:54:04.900 And you're like, well, the same way I did, you know, by, by embracing Christ, that's a much more effective way to tell them something that's a little difficult.

00:54:13.060 And the same thing is true. Like, do, do people in, you know, downturned parts of the United States need to work harder? Do, you know, Zoomers, you know, need to embrace certain aspects of hard work? 1.00

00:54:25.900 Sure. And many of them, I think, would be willing and open to that message if it was coming from someone who's like, by the way, I've built an employment network to make it easier for you.

00:54:35.680 By the way, I've torn down the barriers that were real and that are accumulating against you in the university system.

00:54:42.320 And this is what you need to be doing. You know, if you have built that relationship and you have that ability to speak into someone's life, then those harsh truths are valuable.

00:54:52.960 But when you're just blurting them out, you know, to people who you're denigrating and say, ah, it's, you've been talking about, you know, the, the problems of inflation and illegal immigration and DEI for the last four to eight years.

00:55:05.220 And then you're like, man, it's all fine. You'll, you know, then no, they're, they're not going to listen to you.

00:55:09.800 And that's, that's also the thing about this, you know, not to harp on this H1B thing or the Panda Express that I mean, it, it never feels like the conservative movement is grooming a new ruling class.

00:55:24.740 It always feels like they're just saving their jobs. Like this job is going to be here today, but I'm not like actually conquering something because if I was conquering a, you know, a country, you know, I, I'm setting that country out so that my, you know, sons and daughters can inherit it.

00:55:47.000 And it never feels like the boomer conservatives are, are, are acting like their sons are going to inherit it. It sounds like, well, you know, you're here to make me feel like I've earned what I have. 0.67

00:55:58.680 And, you know, I guess like, hopefully it'll be there for you. I mean, good luck if it isn't. And, you know, that that's not, that's not good enough. There needs to be an ownership over the system at some fundamental level.

00:56:10.440 And, you know, I think this is, this is the conversation that needs to happen. And I guess, you know, on, on, on, on, on, on, on our current ruling class side, I guess, you know, we were going to talk about some of this, this Curtis Yarvin in the New York times thing.

00:56:23.380 I mean, I, I guess when you, what you, what you see in blue America is like the kind of flip side of that. They, they game the system, they cornered it and they, they created the perfect environment for which anyone could just walk in and get power and money dumped on them. 0.72

00:56:42.660 But then they forgot to actually invite people in, like invite the young men who could wield that power and who could be the people who would, would take control and, and, you know, create a new vision and not just kind of repeat the platitudes of the 1960s over again.

00:56:59.200 And what happened was, you know, a bunch of people like Claudine Gay, a bunch of these sycophants who were just there to kind of re-up the, the feel good boomer messages of the 1960s, took all the money and positions of power and then just sat on them until the whole narrative became completely incoherent.

00:57:18.520 And now, now, now, now everyone's looking at it and they realize it makes absolutely no sense. And I guess they're, they're going to try to make peace with people like Curtis Yarvin or I know something who knows, right?

00:57:33.800 Well, yeah, we've mentioned it several times, so we might as well get into it. You know, a very surreal moment, obviously like Curtis Yarvin has been on Tucker Carlson at this point.

00:57:43.740 He, he, he's not, he's, you know, obviously you've been reading Curtis for a very long time. I haven't really been reading him all that long, despite, you know, doing quite a bit of translating you are into, you know, normie friendly language as a, as a, as a, you know, no small part of my career.

00:58:01.960 But, you know, this is a guy who just four years ago was completely untouchable, right?

00:58:07.380 He just, his name, mentioning his name would get you fired, uh, in, in many circles. If someone found out you were reading Curtis Yarvin, it was, it was a, it was scandalous.

00:58:17.060 Right. And now this week, uh, you know, the, the New York times interviewed Curtis Yarvin and they, you know, we've had outlets, you know, vanity fair and others, you know, scandalous member, you know, mentioned his name.

00:58:29.280 Oh, here's the evil, you know, anti-democracy fascist philosopher. That's fueling, uh, you know, the, the Trump administration or Bannon or somebody like that.

00:58:38.300 But this is the first time where, even though obviously the interviewer was still, you know, dismissive and hostile in some ways, it felt like, no, Curtis was being interviewed because he was ascended.

00:58:50.040 Like his ideas are important. And if you are in a New York times reader, you need to interface with this. Now, this is no longer some scandalous blog that, you know, some kid is reading, uh, you know, on, on some dangerous forum.

00:59:02.840 This is, this is ascendant power and you need to understand it.

00:59:06.780 I mean, I kind of did the, I watched the interview and it, it always shocks me how whiny it didn't used to be like this. They didn't used to be right now.

00:59:18.440 Every single NPR and New York times interviewer just feels like these effeminate little flops, like they're, they're doing this catty mean girl stuff.

00:59:29.800 I mean, this is what they left us always do. They try to, they try to kind of like ambush Curtis with his worst quotes, always involving Anders Breivik and his statements about slavery or whatever.

00:59:41.440 And then they try to like link him to elements of the Trump administration. But there, but there was, I mean, it was interesting that they actually gave him questions that seemed genuinely curious.

00:59:52.000 Yeah.

00:59:52.540 I don't know what is going to happen with that, I guess.

00:59:56.680 My favorite moment was with the interview was like, I find your historical references difficult to understand.

01:00:03.660 Like, I think they obscure, like they, I find them more obscuring than enlightening.

01:00:10.180 Like what would really help me is if you just put a label on yourself so I could put you in a box, as opposed to mentioning all of this horrible stuff about, you know, the primary sources of actual slave narratives in the years immediately following emancipation.

01:00:25.140 I would really prefer if you stop providing context that actually proves what you're talking about and just give me the bullet points so that I can attack them as a straw man.

01:00:33.360 Yeah.

01:00:33.820 I, but the thing is, is that like, I mean, they want kind of like the James Lindsay boomer, I call it the James Lindsay boomer bullets, right?

01:00:42.720 Like James Lindsay.

01:00:43.600 I think he literally has a thing called bullets or something.

01:00:45.840 Yeah.

01:00:46.260 Yeah.

01:00:46.460 He puts everything in bullets and that's because like, I hate to say this, but like a large amount of James Lindsay's base.

01:00:53.840 It's like, what is the fastest five things that I need to know so I can dismiss this idea and go back to Krillin?

01:01:00.500 Right, right, right.

01:01:01.380 And, you know, and. 1.00

01:01:02.800 I need to be able to tell my kid that Marxism is stupid. 1.00

01:01:05.180 Give me five things to say real quick so I can stop listening to him. 0.98

01:01:08.080 And, you know, the thing is, is that as we, I'm very ironic with James Lindsay is eventually he comes to sort of some of the things that Marx correctly observed about the self-defeating nature of liberalism and sort of like this pure growth capitalism.

01:01:25.780 I don't like the word capitalism, but, you know, like, what's so funny is that like you eventually kind of hit, you end up glossing over critical truths that you need to understand.

01:01:34.760 You know, the problem is, is I guess if this stuff can become mainstream in New York Times circles, it does seem like it opens up sort of like a big abyss underneath the feet of our current ruling elite.

01:01:54.260 Now, if they can keep the conversation continuously on kind of the kookier elements of Curtis Yarvin, like the kookier elements of Curtis Yarvin are like neo-monarchist Silicon Valley overlords.

01:02:07.240 Like if that, if they can make that the bullet point on Curtis Yarvin, you know, pairing it, pairing it up with, you know, maybe, maybe we shouldn't have abolished slavery in 1865 or whatever, right?

01:02:17.920 You know, like if that can be like the bullet point on Curtis Yarvin, then, you know, then it's kind of easier to digest.

01:02:24.560 But the New York Times audience isn't like the audience of James Lindsay.

01:02:28.620 The New York Times audience exists inside a mode of constant dialectic.

01:02:36.880 And so if Curtis Yarvin's ideas are acceptable, they have to become part of the discourse.

01:02:41.140 And then sort of his more cogent criticisms become part of the ruling class's own kind of death drive, if you want me to put it this way.

01:02:52.200 It becomes kind of part of how the ruling class, and I was going to develop this idea, but I haven't really had an opportunity to.

01:02:59.580 Oftentimes, and this happened to the Soviet Union too, the ruling class gets into this mode where their own deconstruction gets pointed at their own power structures, and they begin to kind of abolish themselves.

01:03:14.380 And this might be, you know, I don't want to blow this interview out of proportion, but this might be kind of the beginning of that process taking root.

01:03:24.440 I do not know how you mainstream the stuff that's in the original UR in sort of elite centers of blue areas and not have it eventually come back to the fact that the entire ruling class decides that the ideas that they had previously dedicated to themselves are morally bankrupt and are not worthy to rule.

01:03:49.400 They already kind of have that mode inside of themselves.

01:03:52.080 It's kind of waiting to hatch out.

01:03:54.620 You're giving them like a narrative path to say it's okay to release power.

01:03:58.600 Exactly.

01:03:59.280 Exactly.

01:03:59.880 Right.

01:04:00.580 Now, the problem and the reason why this isn't going to work is give power to who?

01:04:07.240 Right.

01:04:07.660 In the Soviet Union, there was an answer. 0.94

01:04:09.860 There was like the State Department's puppet, Boris Yeltsin, but Putin hadn't come around yet, right?

01:04:17.560 Like the pure nationalist Russia hadn't come around yet.

01:04:20.140 And the same thing is true, like the obvious person to give power to are like these Silicon Valley soulless elite human capital people like Mark Zuckerberg, like the bro Zuckerbergs or the Elon Musks.

01:04:35.240 Like that's – but that's not a moral vision that anyone can believe in.

01:04:40.060 That's not something that can inspire people to build better lives to themselves.

01:04:45.180 And so, you know, like how long can the civilization proceed in sort of this like we're just doing pure GDP human optimization, elite human capital.

01:04:56.700 I think that this is fundamentally degenerative.

01:04:58.920 This is also what kind of eventually sunk Curtis Yarvin, in my opinion, was that he kind of like ignored core elements of his own insight, like specifically the Carlisle-ian ones.

01:05:11.620 Yeah.

01:05:11.780 He kind of – this is what the great irony was is he is the person who introduced me to Carlisle, but he seemed to – and Carlisle is this great understander that systems come down to kind of the motivating heroic spirit that inhabits them, a very Spenglarian idea.

01:05:27.920 But then Yarvin internalizes this and realizes that personnel are policy.

01:05:34.500 And then all he does is like, oh, all we have to do is like slide the best system over it.

01:05:38.900 And so if we have a system that acknowledges inside itself that the human matters, then we can totally get away from the human.

01:05:45.900 And, you know, you see this in like this kind of ridiculous later idea of Yarvin that like you could make Joe Biden monarch and then he did be imbued with the virtues of a virtuous – like the system of the

01:05:57.920 system would force him into that position.

01:06:00.540 But that can't happen because the system is fundamentally has to be run by humans.

01:06:06.460 So not to 5D chess Yarvin here.

01:06:09.220 Yeah.

01:06:09.460 But, you know, I have mentioned this to him directly.

01:06:14.000 You know, I've asked him, hey, we seem to have forgotten some of these core ideas early on.

01:06:19.160 And he kind of said, oh, I know, they're coming.

01:06:21.640 And no, no, but hear me out here.

01:06:24.300 So if you pay attention to Yarvin's writing, in a lot of ways, it feels like, especially after he's come out under his own name, you know, he's not under Mitch's Mallbug anymore.

01:06:33.760 It feels like he has been writing in a way to get the most obvious system stuff through and then perhaps later on filter back in the things that are, you know, they're more spiritually necessary.

01:06:52.960 It's more about virtue, becoming worthy, these kind of things.

01:06:55.980 I know, like I said, I'm not trying to 5D chess here.

01:06:59.580 But I do think there are certain parts of this that have been shaved off in an attempt to streamline and deliver it to a core audience that will buy into, you know, kind of the effective acceleration stuff.

01:07:12.760 Now, hoping that that will add in later, almost in a Peter Thiel, you know, kind of hybrid Christianity, you know, why can't I remember any philosophers today?

01:07:27.400 What's the philosopher's juvenile?

01:07:29.180 No, Gerardian, like his Gerardian Christianity is kind of feels a big thing.

01:07:34.780 He's really into that.

01:07:35.620 So, like, I got a feeling that there's a back into this.

01:07:40.180 Like, I don't think Curtis is entirely unaware.

01:07:43.440 He's been asked Point Blake, like, do you need a church to run any given regime?

01:07:49.000 And his answer was, yeah, probably.

01:07:51.180 Yeah, and he says continuously, like, I know at some point someone's going to have to start a cult, but I just don't want to have any part in that.

01:07:57.960 Right, right, right, right.

01:07:58.660 And so I don't know if he's focusing on the systems analysis because that's where he's strong and he's going to have to let somebody else figure that out, or if he's just trying to deliver the best message at the moment and there's more to that.

01:08:10.580 But I would just say that I think there might be a little bit of adjusting his message in his current, you know, delivery structure.

01:08:17.620 Not so much that he's forgotten all of Thomas Carlyle, but.

01:08:20.560 Yeah, I think he understands his own limitations.

01:08:23.380 That's my guess about this whole thing.

01:08:25.760 Sure.

01:08:25.940 And, you know, I think this is, this is what everyone's kind of understanding right now.

01:08:33.480 This is like 2025 is when we understand all of our limitations.

01:08:37.560 Like the New York Times PMC class realizes that it's lost all moral authority and there's no more political authority that believes in.

01:08:45.980 The left realizes that it's not actually a communist revolution.

01:08:49.960 The right realizes that it doesn't have the ability to actually be an alternative, or the conservatives realize that they don't have the ability to be an actual alternative ruling coalition.

01:09:01.560 And, you know, and Trump realizes that he's probably not Caesar.

01:09:05.220 He's going to try to go as far as he can.

01:09:07.360 And 2025 is just like, okay, how far can you go in the right direction before you eventually tap out?

01:09:14.040 And then, you know, when the baton goes to the ground, we'll see like what we can clump together to take the next steps.

01:09:22.380 But, you know, for me, it's fairly clear, you know, what needs to happen.

01:09:26.600 It's just that there's no one there situated to do it.

01:09:29.240 Yeah.

01:09:30.860 Fair enough.

01:09:31.660 All right.

01:09:31.900 Well, we are building up a large amount of super chats and I don't want to keep you forever.

01:09:37.480 So let's.

01:09:38.120 Sounds good.

01:09:38.820 Let's pivot over there.

01:09:40.000 But before we do, can you tell people where to find all of your excellent work?

01:09:43.560 Yeah.

01:09:44.020 So I have a sub stack at letters from fiddlers green or fiddlers green.substack.com.

01:09:50.720 And I run a YouTube channel called the distributist, which has been in operation for about 10 years now.

01:09:57.280 And I hope to get more writings out this year.

01:09:59.800 That's one of my New Year's resolutions.

01:10:01.400 I haven't quite gotten a good schedule yet, but I do podcasts once every two weeks or so that are very long.

01:10:09.480 Yes.

01:10:10.600 Sometimes I am baffled by the marathon nature of them.

01:10:13.900 I know, you know, you like I technically make more content than you, but you might actually like concentrate, you know, a good week and a half of my content into one stream.

01:10:23.500 I have to take those nights where I get the night clear to do as much as I can.

01:10:28.800 Yeah.

01:10:29.100 Fair enough.

01:10:29.720 Fair enough.

01:10:30.300 Yeah.

01:10:30.900 All right.

01:10:31.580 Let's go to our questions here.

01:10:33.280 Blue Wizard Rope says Angel Summoner and Basket Weaving Bandits.

01:10:37.060 Yes, the James Lindsay has correctly identified us, but your ability to summon celestial super beings is making my community organizing look a little bit redundant.

01:10:48.240 Well, I have teamed up with your, you know, as a papist, you should recognize that my ability to team up with the Vatican as a Southern Baptist and produce, you know, the connection to any given, what was it?

01:11:01.500 Zoroastrian demons, you know, it's quite a feat. 0.99

01:11:04.120 I still have the funniest plot line of 2024.

01:11:09.480 Well, you know, and I don't, I don't want to spend the entire time on this, but, you know, James was full on like calling for assassinations on his timeline.

01:11:16.720 Like recently, like he was, he was saying we are having a Bonhoeffer moment after calling JD Vance a fascist.

01:11:22.340 So anyone who's doing the smallest amount of math there, I mean, the man has absolutely lost his mind and is calling for violence and doxing.

01:11:30.660 It's just sad because, you know, he, he preaches to a boomer audience and I think a lot of them, they're going to like start talking about Hegelian dialectics in a room full of people that like actually went through a philosophy course and they're just going to get laughed out of the room.

01:11:46.240 Well, the good news is that nobody who goes through a philosophy course knows what a Hegelian dialectic is either.

01:11:51.020 So I mean, but I know what it isn't.

01:11:54.540 Fair enough.

01:11:55.400 It isn't James Lindsay.

01:11:56.840 I mean, I've read like one or two Hegel.

01:11:59.600 I didn't understand a thing, but I understand enough to know that that's not it.

01:12:02.840 Right.

01:12:03.340 And, and, and, you know, you can tell when people are talking out of their backsides.

01:12:09.020 And anyone who follows James Lindsay's bullet points is on a fast track to make a fool out of themselves in a pseudo intellectual context really quickly.

01:12:20.280 Very fair.

01:12:21.420 All right.

01:12:21.740 We've got Nathan Danner says, did Trump declare prima nocte yet?

01:12:27.420 Oh, I don't know.

01:12:28.600 Vivek Ramoswamy might with the high school prom queens.

01:12:33.580 I don't know.

01:12:34.020 I mean, if he can break out of his locker, he's been shoved back into at this point.

01:12:37.540 Exactly.

01:12:38.800 Creeper weirdo says, Dave, I'm so white-pilled that I'll, that it'll be tomorrow before I, before I untruly myself.

01:12:47.000 Unturly.

01:12:48.240 Oh, Steve Turley.

01:12:49.660 It's a reference to the great Steve Turley who has himself been.

01:12:52.100 No one's more white-pilled than Steve Turley.

01:12:53.800 You know, I got to say, you know, he sent me his book so I could interview him about it.

01:12:58.980 Steve is more wired in than people recognize.

01:13:02.600 Like, he's more wired in than people think.

01:13:06.880 He obviously has a mass appeal and a mass audience, but.

01:13:10.080 I interviewed him once and we did not get along at all because I just can't stand optimists.

01:13:16.180 I just can't.

01:13:17.700 I just, he's way too, it just, it just, it's like, it's like oil and water.

01:13:21.720 We're just not personally aligned.

01:13:23.660 We have to stand our opposite.

01:13:25.000 Even though I'm sure he's a wonderful man and a great thinker.

01:13:27.660 I just, you know, it's a style wise, you know.

01:13:29.980 Yeah.

01:13:30.120 You were hitting him with a Spangler stare and he was not working. 0.90

01:13:32.360 Yeah, exactly.

01:13:33.300 That's exactly what happened.

01:13:34.640 But he says, from Panama to Mars, a state mandated inward pass and only two sexes in America.

01:13:40.800 Happy Liberation Day, my fellow friends.

01:13:43.140 He follows up with, I know we could be winning, but I'll deny it until it's almost done.

01:13:48.360 Dave, the Black Bill distributors.

01:13:50.040 Yes, I do remember the pre-election stream.

01:13:52.460 Yeah.

01:13:54.460 I don't remember the pre-election stream.

01:13:56.420 Was I blackballing that hard?

01:13:57.740 I don't know.

01:13:58.320 I haven't photographed all that now.

01:14:00.900 At this point, it's kind of run together.

01:14:03.500 Ronald McNeil is in the rain.

01:14:05.200 Yeah, precisely.

01:14:06.560 Elon and Vivek weren't asking for permission.

01:14:10.020 They already got that.

01:14:11.240 They're telling you what's going to happen.

01:14:13.540 I'm less sure about that, but I understand what you're saying.

01:14:16.680 He also follows up with, Jarvan Schtick is just Hans Hermann Hoppe's book, Democracy,

01:14:24.660 The Guy That Failed, repackaged with a contradictory allegiance to Thiel and neoconservatism.

01:14:31.000 I mean, in that case, you could just say that Hans Hermann Hoppe is just repackaged Bertrand

01:14:35.600 DeJuvenal, who is also just repackaged Aristotle.

01:14:38.480 I mean, we can do this forever.

01:14:40.660 It's not like Jarvan has been coy about his influence from Hoppe.

01:14:45.540 But he's very clearly given that.

01:14:47.600 I'll comment here.

01:14:48.320 My most popular piece from last year was called The Distant Right and Its Discontents.

01:14:54.680 And it was largely inspired by a bunch of people.

01:14:57.300 Well, actually, two groups of people.

01:14:58.620 First of all, kind of like the post-right people, a lot of the women who got peeled off 0.99

01:15:03.800 were kind of having second thoughts.

01:15:05.560 And then sort of like the Joel Berry liberal types.

01:15:09.420 And I kind of focused down on this.

01:15:12.320 The problem with The Distant Right and the ideas that we're talking about right here is

01:15:18.060 that these ideas that we're talking about and that set us aside from the mainstream, they're

01:15:22.420 so basic and so observable and so normal to human reality and so perennial that you cannot

01:15:31.180 like the conclusions and denounce the people who bring you the message again and again and

01:15:35.900 again.

01:15:36.080 But you're not going to obliterate these realities.

01:15:39.380 Eventually, you're going to have to deal with these basic political observations.

01:15:44.240 You're going to have to deal with the same thing that Aristotle was looking at, the same

01:15:48.160 thing that Machiavelli was looking at, the same thing that Demetri was looking at, the

01:15:51.000 same thing that Juvenile was looking at.

01:15:52.760 And you're going to have to answer these fundamental political questions.

01:15:55.420 And I understand that you don't like it.

01:15:57.600 I understand you want to go back to the 90s.

01:15:59.580 But I don't make the rules of reality.

01:16:02.820 We're just, we're just dealing with real politics and, you know, if you don't want

01:16:07.640 to play this game, you know, we can go talk about ideology of the 1990s again and again

01:16:13.020 and again, but it's not going to change the facts on the ground.

01:16:16.800 Yeah.

01:16:17.220 And I think ultimately he's just saying that Yarvin didn't have anything original, but

01:16:20.200 yeah.

01:16:20.500 Okay.

01:16:20.800 I mean, in that sense, no one does.

01:16:22.900 Yeah.

01:16:23.180 I think, I think Curtis has been wrong about plenty of stuff, but he has made rather significant

01:16:28.880 contributions to kind of right-wing thought.

01:16:32.120 And I just don't, I don't think it's wise to, to discard that.

01:16:35.220 Even if you don't particularly like his style or you find some of a derivative, uh, creeper

01:16:39.940 weirdo says Yarvin versus Rufo was embarrassing.

01:16:42.080 Yes, it was again, if you guys need context for that conversation, I did a whole stream on

01:16:45.720 it, but, uh, I can't, can't rehash that.

01:16:48.420 That could have been, I mean, it was a valuable interaction, but it could have been done so much

01:16:53.860 better.

01:16:54.260 I feel like they needed editors.

01:16:56.480 Well, yeah, well, they had them in IM 1776.

01:16:59.200 They needed, they needed editors that were more.

01:17:01.880 Direct editors.

01:17:02.900 Yeah.

01:17:03.760 Uh, parental chaperones, maybe someone to put both kids in the corner and make a focus. 0.96

01:17:10.300 Yeah.

01:17:10.940 Uh, Macro dear, very generous donation.

01:17:13.200 Thank you very much.

01:17:13.900 He says, uh, they've already started with the crying immigrant videos, the video of a 0.71

01:17:18.120 lady who isn't even in the U S yet. 0.98

01:17:19.620 Also, I shouldn't be surprised, but I didn't know the Biden men, uh, made an app that made

01:17:24.240 it easier for illegals to deem the country.

01:17:25.740 So evil.

01:17:26.240 Yes.

01:17:26.460 Oh, also I didn't even mention this the whole time, but of course, uh, Biden, uh, went through

01:17:31.720 and made all of these blanket pardons.

01:17:33.600 He issued one for, uh, uh, who issued, uh, you know, uh, for Fauci, uh, you know, for,

01:17:39.520 for all kinds of, you know, basically everyone they had hinted that they were going to be doing

01:17:43.180 them for, uh, all of them sweeping pardons, all of them basically preemptive, preemptive

01:17:48.880 part, which is until this year, I wasn't, I thought that was a big no, no, well, that

01:17:55.000 you weren't supposed to do that.

01:17:56.360 I thought, and there's a big question about whether or not it can actually hold up like

01:17:59.900 those, if, if they're tested, I'm not sure that they'll stand because yes, the definition

01:18:04.480 of a pardon has to come in response to some kind of crime.

01:18:07.900 Uh, so these, these are pretty untested waters that he's thrown.

01:18:11.100 And it's like, okay, now you have a license to do crime or to have done crime for the

01:18:15.480 last 10 years.

01:18:16.400 Right.

01:18:16.820 And that's what he's doing.

01:18:17.640 Yeah.

01:18:17.800 They're not just like for a specific thing.

01:18:19.640 Cause obviously they're preemptive.

01:18:20.860 They're not specific.

01:18:21.580 There's no crime, uh, that has been alleged, uh, you know, formally at least.

01:18:25.460 Uh, so they're just, you know, oh, he's, he's whatever it is for 10, 15 years in a swath

01:18:31.100 or, or aren't like, let's take another crazy thing.

01:18:33.580 Like, uh, Biden and Kamala essentially claim that they could fiat amendments into the constitution

01:18:39.580 that were never approved.

01:18:40.620 Like, yeah, by the way, the ERA is just an amendment.

01:18:44.080 Now it's the law of the law of the land from the, from the president and vice president of

01:18:49.560 the United States circumventing the necessary constitutional convention to approve and, and

01:18:55.600 supported by apparently Georgetown law.

01:18:58.500 Didn't they tweet and support that too?

01:19:00.620 Yes, that, that language was repeated by many different, uh, media outlets, but also by

01:19:05.940 universities.

01:19:06.980 I mean, to be fair, this is a presidency that was cooed out of existence on Twitter. 0.73

01:19:12.340 So why wouldn't they think that they can change the constitution on Twitter?

01:19:15.780 Yeah, I guess, I just, I don't understand.

01:19:18.160 I mean, this is such a, I don't, I don't know.

01:19:21.060 It's like there's no adults in the room anymore.

01:19:23.260 It's amazing.

01:19:24.280 I'm willing to embrace this precedent because now Trump is president.

01:19:26.940 So if we're, if we're changing the constitution with tweets, let's do this thing, right?

01:19:30.800 Like, let's go hard in the paint.

01:19:33.060 Yeah.

01:19:33.320 All right.

01:19:33.700 So Trump comes back to Twitter and all of a sudden he's just, you know, adding and removing

01:19:37.520 amendments at will from Twitter posts law of the land, baby.

01:19:40.640 What are you going to do?

01:19:41.400 Yeah, there you go.

01:19:43.560 Uh, Andrew Geller says, hypothetically, what might make Denmark decide to sell Greenland to

01:19:49.420 the United States?

01:19:51.640 Uh, my guess would be nothing, but you know, do you think there's any validity to the, uh,

01:19:55.660 I don't know.

01:19:56.380 I don't really like this whole idea.

01:19:58.520 I mean, I think that, well, I don't know, maybe Trump's playing 4d chess or something

01:20:02.960 like that, but what Trump needs to do is kind of what Elon is doing.

01:20:07.540 I mean, Trump needs to be taking the role that Elon, like Elon is counter signaling the

01:20:12.060 European countries right now on Twitter.

01:20:14.580 That's what Trump needs to be doing.

01:20:15.920 He needs to be saying like, my brand is also the brand of like all of these parties that

01:20:21.820 you think are illegitimate.

01:20:22.920 And if you will legalize them, we are shutting down or we're going to punish you financially.

01:20:28.740 And, you know, we consider attempts to punish them mean, uh, like takes against your status

01:20:34.860 as democratic countries.

01:20:36.340 If he did that, uh, you know, Trump could be the savior of Europe and be, you know, and

01:20:43.200 create a de facto alternative way to rule Europe.

01:20:45.860 Uh, and it would be, it would be amazing.

01:20:48.760 And instead of we're doing this kind of, I don't know, it's, it's true in Canada too.

01:20:53.520 It's like, you know, you, oh, we're going to invade, we're going to annex Canada.

01:20:56.400 And it's all, all of these, I live in Canada currently as an American and all of these like 0.99

01:21:00.840 Canadian conservatives are just losing their shit over this. 0.98

01:21:03.440 And it's, it, it feels like it's this unnecessary aggression that, that weakens the international 0.99

01:21:11.780 right-wing coalition more than it strengthens it at the very moment when it could be

01:21:15.700 strengthened.

01:21:16.740 Yeah.

01:21:16.960 I mean, he's on a little firmer ground with the Panama canal thing, because that is a

01:21:20.520 situation in which we gave it to Panama and they just like mortgaged it back to the Chinese,

01:21:24.940 you know, like it's a, you know, at least there's, you know, uh, some, some point there,

01:21:29.340 but yeah, I agree.

01:21:30.640 Ultimately it's a, it's a fun meme every once in a while, but you probably don't want to

01:21:34.520 push that too hard.

01:21:35.480 Uh, you know, it, that doesn't really set you on firm ground when, like you said, you could

01:21:39.560 be saying, Hey, we see what's happening over there with UK, you know, this is a government

01:21:44.040 that is ignoring the vicious, uh, you know, violation of the daughters of their native 0.99

01:21:48.380 population.

01:21:49.360 And you should be supporting these, you know, uh, these parties because they also see the

01:21:53.700 vision of protecting the nation and the people and putting them first and that kind of thing.

01:21:57.600 I think that would be a much better way to go about that.

01:22:00.300 Yeah.

01:22:01.020 And attack the censorship regimes they enacted.

01:22:03.240 Yes, precisely.

01:22:04.680 Uh, that guy says no black pills today.

01:22:07.280 I, I know this will be difficult.

01:22:09.040 Why did you have me on?

01:22:12.280 For heaven's sake, there will be guys on our side that will complain about the robe.

01:22:15.660 The Lord will wear on his, uh, his coming.

01:22:18.260 You can voice your concerns tomorrow, but not today.

01:22:20.280 Again, I, I think, uh, all, you know, the questions here are more, you know, we're, we're

01:22:24.760 obviously looking for wins.

01:22:26.220 As this is a win, as we pointed out, both Dave and I have pointed out the left definitely

01:22:30.740 took a loss here.

01:22:31.940 Uh, and so our question is less, did the, the left take a loss here and more, how can

01:22:36.840 you maximize these wins?

01:22:37.980 How can you turn this one into more wins?

01:22:39.800 How can we both be most effective with this win?

01:22:42.400 I mean, it's, it's only a black pill in so much as, Hey, I think we need to take this

01:22:46.580 seriously.

01:22:47.380 I think we need to have a plan for how this expands.

01:22:49.860 Uh, but you know, we're both acknowledging the victory here.

01:22:52.240 We're not, we're not pretending otherwise.

01:22:53.700 Uh, Ronald McNuggets comes back with the purpose of the GOT is to contain the juvenile

01:22:59.280 alien, uh, middle while ruling class allies with the underclass foreigners against the 0.89

01:23:05.660 middle.

01:23:05.900 That is most certainly been its role.

01:23:08.280 The hope is that Trump destroyed that, right?

01:23:10.140 Like that is, that is the hope is that Trump shatters that paradigm.

01:23:13.660 Will he, will he complete that transformation of the GOP?

01:23:17.180 Uh, you know, there, there's a reason that so many in the established GOP were saying Donald

01:23:21.220 Trump is turning the party into a, you know, a cult of personality, you know, our response

01:23:24.660 was yes, good.

01:23:26.040 Right.

01:23:26.220 Like, yeah, it's just the problem is that the, the enorme conservatives have completely

01:23:30.220 internalized this psychological state, even when the party's moved on.

01:23:34.920 And it's just, it's sad to see intelligent people like Rufo fall into the same trap.

01:23:38.960 I mean, I can get out of it.

01:23:40.600 It's not beyond him, obviously.

01:23:41.940 Yeah.

01:23:42.060 And, and obviously there's a generational thing there, but you are, it is a little concerning

01:23:46.020 when a lot of the Gen X and even millennial commentators are going back to echo, the things

01:23:50.700 are, are going back to echo talking points that were phasing themselves out, right?

01:23:54.420 Like the whole point was like, you know, the older generation rotates out of these leadership

01:23:59.620 positions, the younger generation comes in and they connect better.

01:24:02.260 They don't carry this kind of legacy of the, this kind of captive mindset into those things.

01:24:07.080 So that's the most concerning part is like, you wanted to see the fresh faces bringing,

01:24:12.020 you know, a new understanding and instead we're going to getting a reflex of, you know,

01:24:17.060 going back to these talking points that that's the part that's a little, a little unmotivating.

01:24:25.740 Disappointing.

01:24:26.380 Yeah.

01:24:26.760 Thank you.

01:24:27.720 Difficulty reaching for words today.

01:24:29.460 Life of Brian says the HB1 woke, right op Panda express pattern recognition, coordination,

01:24:36.460 friend, enemy Rufo soon to become disillusioned ex conservative for capital.

01:24:42.020 Um, I don't, I don't quite recognize, recognize all that, but, uh, I, I think it was, it's

01:24:47.400 interesting to see what Rufo does.

01:24:50.160 Um, no, I think that I, I would be more ambitious than it seems like he's trying to be right now.

01:24:57.480 Uh, I, I, I, like I said, there's a crown on the gutter for him.

01:25:01.120 I, I, I certainly like him enough to hope to hope that he picks it up, but it doesn't seem

01:25:05.540 where he's headed right now.

01:25:06.600 Well, it's also not, uh, to be fair.

01:25:08.540 And again, I, you know, I obviously disagree with him quite directly on this.

01:25:12.260 Uh, it's not Chris Rufo's job to do everything, you know?

01:25:15.600 Um, and, and, and he's a leader and so he needs to be wise and he should receive criticism.

01:25:21.040 I'm certainly not saying that, but I'm just saying, uh, you know, it's okay to recognize

01:25:24.760 that you have a player who's good at something and then not expect that player to win the,

01:25:29.300 you, the entire game.

01:25:30.160 Um, yeah, yeah, it just, it just, that it's so rare to have people, uh, that are energetic

01:25:35.880 that have funding that seem reasonably aware of where they are.

01:25:40.880 Right.

01:25:41.480 And, uh, you know, it, it feels like we're constantly kind of pulling near misses.

01:25:45.780 Right.

01:25:46.320 Uh, and, but I mean, I think things will come together as the years pass.

01:25:52.460 Uh, Andrew Geller says a question for Dave.

01:25:54.640 What is the PMC?

01:25:56.480 Uh, it's the professional managerial class.

01:25:58.400 Sorry, I, I, I sometimes say, I, I sometimes say PMC class, like ATM machine.

01:26:07.220 Well, a lot of people are thinking PMC, you mean Blackwater, you mean, uh, you know, you,

01:26:10.940 you need, you mean mercenaries.

01:26:12.440 Uh, so you gotta private military contractor.

01:26:15.500 Yeah, no, it's professional.

01:26:16.940 It's, it's a very vague definition because, uh, the PMC is, is sort of divided between a lower

01:26:25.000 and that is much more Republican voting and then a higher end that lives in blue cities

01:26:30.760 and is more academic and professional.

01:26:33.220 So it's, it's not the best, but usually PMC means the blue half of the, the professional

01:26:38.680 class and not the red half, but, um, yeah, that's what it means.

01:26:43.900 Uh, life of Brian says elite human capital Hanania reminds me of judge doom at the midpoint 1.00

01:26:49.060 of the confession of Eddie Valen.

01:26:50.900 Uh, hide your tunes.

01:26:52.120 Uh, yeah, your Roger rabbit face.

01:26:55.020 Yeah.

01:26:55.280 A little bit.

01:26:55.640 I, I, I can't tell you how much I hate Silicon Valley right now.

01:26:59.900 When I was a kid, Silicon Valley was composed of like ex cowboy ranchers who learned to code

01:27:06.940 people who tinkered around and they're really enthusiastic tech enthusiastic and like, and

01:27:12.100 and literal just hippies, like hippie, like Sierra softwares, like just hippies that made

01:27:17.100 video games.

01:27:17.920 Like that was Silicon Valley.

01:27:19.240 And now it's all of like these soulless ghouls and just these absolute, like, where do these

01:27:25.380 people come from?

01:27:26.500 They like these absolute soulless ghouls that have just trained, like literally, I feel like

01:27:32.260 they could have eyes popping out of their head.

01:27:34.320 You know?

01:27:35.160 Well, that's what happens when you actually work 80 hours a week, every week.

01:27:39.060 Like that's like, if you're wondering what, what that produces, that's these people do

01:27:42.580 not work 80 hours a week.

01:27:44.020 We've learned that, right?

01:27:44.980 That's for, that's for the chumps that they bring over on H1B visas. 0.98

01:27:49.240 At some point they probably did, but yeah. 0.94

01:27:51.100 Okay.

01:27:51.380 Fine.

01:27:51.820 Fair enough.

01:27:53.120 I'm more, more talking about the psychological scarring of the tiger mom and the perpetual

01:27:57.200 existence in the data slave mind.

01:27:59.980 There you go.

01:28:00.980 But Brent Taylor says, we'll CNN have a live deportation tracker.

01:28:04.460 If they do, then, you know, you've won.

01:28:06.920 Yeah.

01:28:07.340 Once we're running up the scoreboard on the deportation, that's, that's when, you know,

01:28:11.140 you've won a society man says, as the man has recently passed, what's your favorite

01:28:14.960 David Lynch film?

01:28:16.620 Uh, well, I don't know about yours.

01:28:19.840 Mine is far in a way, Mulholland drive, which is, well, so I do really like elephant man

01:28:25.640 too.

01:28:26.360 Uh, but that's not even really a David Lynch movie.

01:28:28.700 I mean, it has lynching elements to it.

01:28:30.260 And of course I have a fondness for, um, uh, Twin Peaks cause it was filmed in Snoqualmie,

01:28:36.560 Washington, which I've been to many, many times.

01:28:39.080 And, uh, unfortunately it's too close to Seattle. 1.00

01:28:41.980 So it's now been completely infested with, uh, with shit libs. 0.99

01:28:46.080 Like you wouldn't believe it, like mountain biking, uh, you know, in their spandex. 0.99

01:28:51.640 Uh, but I like to imagine that in the eighties and nineties, it was populated by good salt

01:28:56.740 of the earth people with unbelievably attractive waitress.

01:29:00.740 It's just shockingly attractive.

01:29:03.300 Mulholland drive is by, I think Mulholland drive is one of the best films of the two thousands

01:29:07.360 hands down and I will, I'll try to write something about that, but it's, it's an amazing film.

01:29:13.620 It's, it's, uh, I think it's where we're, we're all the threads of David Lynch really

01:29:18.200 come together.

01:29:19.380 Yeah.

01:29:19.820 I've been meaning to watch it.

01:29:21.080 It's been recommended to me a thousand times and I've just never gotten around to it.

01:29:24.620 I've only really watched a few David Lynch, uh, projects.

01:29:28.100 Twin Peaks was great.

01:29:29.300 I loved it.

01:29:29.780 And then of course, you know, the, the Dune movie, um, is, is, is, uh, beautiful in its

01:29:35.140 own way.

01:29:35.660 Uh, you know, Dylan, who've had a chance to really surpass it, uh, but then he really

01:29:41.220 punted in, in the second part quite hard.

01:29:44.000 Uh, and so, uh, it still remains a fun one for me.

01:29:47.240 It's funny, right?

01:29:48.360 Because, because I hate to put it this way, but casting attractive women has always been 0.97

01:29:55.440 one of the key things that David Lynch did, right?

01:29:58.400 And it's one of the key things that Dennis Bellanue did, did wrong.

01:30:02.040 Well, and it, it was the ruining of the Cheney character in the second one was so bad.

01:30:06.280 Her, her whole role in the books is as a, you know, a woman who's flexing power in an O 1.00

01:30:11.920 way.

01:30:12.300 She believes in Paul.

01:30:14.980 She is supportive in what he's doing.

01:30:16.540 Like, and then in the, and then in the, the, in the, you know, second film, she's just

01:30:21.120 the self insert Reddit atheist, you know, girl boss, uh, you know, thing.

01:30:25.700 It's just, I didn't think that character could ruin it.

01:30:27.520 It ruined it.

01:30:28.360 I was amazed how much that sank.

01:30:30.820 Usually one bad character can't sink a movie that badly, but it re it really did.

01:30:34.900 It was, it was quite the shame.

01:30:36.120 Cause the first, the first movie was fantastic.

01:30:38.020 I was, I was really looking forward to the followup, uh, Costas, uh, 1983 says, so does

01:30:44.220 the woke be putting away or what?

01:30:45.540 I'm pretty sure AA won this one.

01:30:47.200 So yeah, again, this is something I want to make clear.

01:30:50.320 Uh, we have ended the cigar, uh, slam where, you know, the, we, uh, obviously in the UK,

01:30:58.240 uh, the woke is very much alive and thriving here in the United States.

01:31:02.460 Uh, not as much.

01:31:03.620 The real question in the United States is, did the woke get put away or did the woke lose? 0.78

01:31:08.720 Because remember the contention was the powers that be will intentionally end wokeness successfully

01:31:15.240 and redirect, uh, you know, so the, the question is, did they do that or not?

01:31:21.060 I think the woke more lost.

01:31:23.540 Um, and you do have some of the elites that were not as bought in scrambling to try to put

01:31:27.740 it away, but as we were kind of pointing out, they are running into the problem of, can

01:31:31.400 they actually do that with their activist class?

01:31:33.620 I think that still has yet to be determined, but I'll let Dave answer.

01:31:36.680 Yeah.

01:31:37.280 I mean, it's the woke got put away by the ruling class fracturing itself.

01:31:44.400 There is a section of the activist class that still is as woke as it.

01:31:48.080 I mean, someone said like AA ruled it.

01:31:50.540 The, the ruling coalition is a monolith and I'm like, no, I mean, like they tried to put

01:31:56.260 the woke away, but they did so by essentially fracturing their coalition and until it's

01:32:02.860 put back together, they can't put it back together.

01:32:06.220 Uh, the thing is, is that the, the, the activist class of the left cultivated in the two thousands 0.96

01:32:12.080 is so degenerate and so insane.

01:32:16.100 Uh, it, a coalition is almost better by not having them. 0.89

01:32:20.260 Right.

01:32:21.000 So, so the question is, is this, is going to be like this new weird American underclass 0.93

01:32:26.060 that just like lurking around in the shadow of a formerly progressive.

01:32:30.260 And it certainly, the, the, the coalition certainly did not behave like AA predicted and move as

01:32:36.360 a monolith.

01:32:36.980 It kind of behaved like a bee.

01:32:38.580 You stuck its stinger into your arm and then pulled itself up and it ripped itself in two,

01:32:43.000 you know, I mean, it certainly did not act like a monolith now.

01:32:46.920 Uh, but, but, so maybe a local losing is a better way to put it.

01:32:51.400 Yeah.

01:32:51.840 Again, I, I don't want to get too deep into this.

01:32:53.940 We've, we've put this aside, but, uh, but you know, to the answer to the question, there

01:32:57.500 you go.

01:32:58.260 Uh, uh, slosher says, uh, here's to Trump making the world safe for democracy.

01:33:03.980 Cheers from Alberta.

01:33:05.300 Thank you very much, sir.

01:33:06.240 Uh, Megamax says easy way to get rid of Biden's pardons, declare he was mentally unfit. 0.97

01:33:12.760 And when he was issuing them, we all know his brain is soup.

01:33:15.680 I miss pressed, uh, miss pastor Luis Laveau, uh, bring back, uh, cop cast, uh, form the

01:33:26.040 NYJA.

01:33:27.460 I did not understand the back half of that.

01:33:29.900 Um, I don't, so Louis Laveau was a, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

01:33:36.240 he was, uh, he was a, uh, I don't want to say orbiter.

01:33:40.400 That sounds to, he was one of the YouTube channels that was surrounding Carl Benjamin.

01:33:44.360 Oh yeah.

01:33:45.020 Yeah.

01:33:45.280 He had, he had like, he was actually like more based and trying to tracks are gone more

01:33:50.440 to the right, but he was, I think he was much more of like, he was much less a theory

01:33:55.340 cells like we were and much more like Noah Antweiler style bitching about how terrible

01:34:01.600 things were in very theatrical ways.

01:34:03.780 But I think he deleted his YouTube channel.

01:34:05.660 I think, you know, he was worried that it might come after his, his real life and he

01:34:10.800 hasn't been seen since.

01:34:12.660 Okay.

01:34:13.160 Yeah.

01:34:13.360 I, I completely forgot, but yeah.

01:34:14.820 And I remember him now.

01:34:16.120 Uh, but yeah, no, to, to your point about Biden, uh, you know, not being mentally fit.

01:34:20.760 Yeah.

01:34:20.980 That, that has been floated again.

01:34:22.820 I think you could just put the pardons to the test, you know, whether or not you can

01:34:26.340 actually do, you know, 15, 20 year, you know, spans of preemptive pardons with no actual

01:34:32.300 charge.

01:34:32.780 I think that that would be worth testing first before you have to, you know, try to do some

01:34:37.640 kind of post hoc 25th amendment.

01:34:39.360 Uh, but, uh, autism says, uh, uh, for Holy Albion empire, uh, Catholic, uh, from the

01:34:48.960 arch, uh, arch modernity and the enkindlement of kingdom realism by way of our hegemony, uh,

01:34:56.500 just gestalt for the immunization, uh, Catholic forum, arch modernity in the enkindlement of

01:35:06.040 kingdom realms by way of hegemony gestalt for immunization.

01:35:09.940 Yeah.

01:35:10.940 Yeah.

01:35:11.940 Yeah.

01:35:12.940 Um, I, I don't know what those individual words mean.

01:35:14.800 I don't know what they mean together.

01:35:15.800 I didn't know if there's a, I didn't know if there's a Catholic decoder ring that got disseminated.

01:35:20.940 We could, we, you know, it could be attached to the summoning.

01:35:24.380 He might've just made me summon an arch angel.

01:35:26.160 I should probably check, uh, you know, figure out if there's one in, you know, cotton summoning 1.00

01:35:29.840 circle, but yeah, don't, don't let James Lindsay see this tweet.

01:35:33.120 Otherwise I'll come up with a whole new set of theories based on these, these deliciously

01:35:37.440 scary theory, theory, cell words.

01:35:40.140 That's right.

01:35:41.140 I love that word gestalt.

01:35:43.900 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up, but Dave, great talking to

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - January 21, 2025

Trump Takes Power ｜ Guest： Dave the Distributist ｜ 1⧸20⧸25

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