The Auron MacIntyre Show - Twitter Blue-Check Purge and Tucker Carlson Leaves Fox ｜ Guests： Wade Stotts and the Prudentialist

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00:00:30.000 Hey guys, how's it going?

00:00:31.240 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:33.280 I've got a great stream with some great guests

00:00:35.340 that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:37.920 So, I've been meaning to get a news roundup show going on here.

00:00:41.860 It's been a while since we did that,

00:00:43.280 and boy, did we pick the right time to do it,

00:00:45.180 because as we were getting ready to go on air

00:00:47.840 just an hour or two beforehand,

00:00:49.780 the huge news drops that Tucker Carlson is out on Fox News.

00:00:53.860 That shakes up the media landscape.

00:00:56.380 It has all kinds of ramifications.

00:00:58.120 We're going to be getting into that.

00:00:59.660 We're going to be getting into the blue check purge

00:01:02.820 over on Twitter with Elon

00:01:04.420 and everything that's been unfolding there.

00:01:06.140 And we'll be touching on some of the new rules

00:01:08.440 from the Biden administration

00:01:09.500 about the crazy way they're going to be doing mortgages

00:01:13.080 from now on,

00:01:14.160 how they're going to be incentivizing those

00:01:15.600 who can't pay their bills.

00:01:17.420 But before we get started, guys,

00:01:18.660 let me go ahead and introduce you to our co-hosts today.

00:01:22.680 We've got everyone's favorite frog, the Prudentialist.

00:01:25.320 Thanks for coming on, man.

00:01:26.080 Thanks for coming on.

00:01:27.400 I thought with the Tucker news,

00:01:28.920 I'd wear a bow tie in solidarity with our recently fired friend.

00:01:32.260 I appreciate you holding for the reveal there.

00:01:34.420 Like the mystery of the bow tie was there.

00:01:37.960 Solidarity for Tucker.

00:01:39.440 And then also joining me today,

00:01:41.260 we have Wade Stotz from The Wade Show.

00:01:43.660 Very funny.

00:01:44.240 If you haven't been watching it,

00:01:45.560 you should definitely check it out.

00:01:46.920 Wade, thanks for joining me, man.

00:01:48.060 Thank you very much.

00:01:48.660 I don't have a costume in solidarity with Tucker,

00:01:51.600 but I feel underdressed now.

00:01:54.080 Yeah, the lack of bow tie reveal is brutal.

00:01:57.140 But I am glad to be here.

00:01:58.200 Thank you so much for having me.

00:01:59.120 Absolutely.

00:02:00.300 All right, guys.

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00:03:27.280 All right, so obviously might have to redo some of that ad

00:03:30.000 because fuck Tucker Carlson,

00:03:32.180 no longer everybody's favorite Fox News host.

00:03:35.600 But yeah, so I think everyone was kind of blown away by this.

00:03:38.900 I think it was very clear if you look at Friday's episode of Tucker Carlson,

00:03:43.520 he said, I'll see you guys Monday or something to that effect.

00:03:46.540 It really felt like this was a shock to everyone.

00:03:50.040 He expected to be on Monday.

00:03:51.340 Everybody, you know, he's the highest rated host in cable news by a long shot.

00:03:56.060 You can staple everybody else together

00:03:58.080 and it still doesn't even come close.

00:04:00.360 And so it's pretty wild to see this parting of ways.

00:04:03.180 And Fox News just did it with a very brief, you know, press release.

00:04:07.700 There's really no information from them on why this happened.

00:04:11.920 We'll look at some other sites and what they're reporting here in a moment.

00:04:14.960 But Prudentialist, what was your first response to hearing this news?

00:04:19.420 I was certainly caught off guard, I think, like everybody else.

00:04:23.000 But I also had thought that it seemed really conveniently time

00:04:26.700 to take off one of the most sane voices in conservative media

00:04:30.640 right as an election cycle is about to kick off spring offenses

00:04:34.160 with the war in Ukraine.

00:04:35.260 And, of course, a bunch of war drumming in the Far East.

00:04:37.740 I mean, Tucker has been consistently one of the more critical voices

00:04:41.000 out of the sort of mainstream neoconservative faction that we see so often.

00:04:46.100 I mean, he's right before Sean Hannity, who's the, you know, anti-Tucker Carlson.

00:04:50.400 So it was rather surprising.

00:04:52.520 But at the same time, I was immediately thinking

00:04:55.860 that that's going to really shake up the media cycle for 2024

00:04:58.740 and everything else going on in the news.

00:05:00.520 Yeah, Wade, it's very strange to think of one news host

00:05:05.220 as having that big of an impact, somebody who could shift an election

00:05:08.940 or shift public opinion about an ongoing conflict.

00:05:13.020 But it's hard to deny that Tucker Carlson does have

00:05:16.300 what feels like kind of that level of sway.

00:05:19.160 What did you think when you heard about this?

00:05:21.040 Yeah, if anybody could sway the public, it would be Tucker Carlson.

00:05:25.020 My initial thought was how it seemed like they were unprepared for it as well.

00:05:32.640 It seemed like there was a, they're just putting up something

00:05:35.620 called Fox News Tonight in its place, which I guess I assume

00:05:39.300 is just Caitlyn Jenner telling us about how the left has gone too far.

00:05:42.260 You know, we got a nightly installment of that stuff.

00:05:44.360 But yeah, no, it was, it is, it is a huge loss for Fox.

00:05:48.440 I assume that, I mean, whatever you feel about Fox,

00:05:52.240 they are a huge distribution network and his ideas got further

00:05:55.900 because they were on at that time slot.

00:05:58.620 And it was a large castle, a great, you know, place for him to have been.

00:06:03.880 And we'll see, you know, what his next steps are.

00:06:07.540 Yeah, it is pretty wild because, you know, Tucker Carlson kind of stands apart.

00:06:12.900 You look at Fox News and as you pointed out,

00:06:16.180 much of Fox News is just kind of recycled,

00:06:18.620 slightly warm to the right, you know, versions of progressivism.

00:06:22.760 We're definitely going the speed limit on most of Fox News's programming.

00:06:28.580 But Tucker Carlson was very much pushing the limits in a lot of ways.

00:06:33.880 You know, he's talking about January 6th and many of the, you know,

00:06:38.380 cover-ups that might have happened there,

00:06:39.900 the involvement of the federal government.

00:06:42.200 You know, he's pushing the limit when it talks, you know,

00:06:45.000 when he talks about Ukraine, opposition to Ukraine is still something

00:06:48.300 that is a very touch and go when it comes to the right.

00:06:51.340 Many people in the mainstream right, especially on Fox News,

00:06:54.260 still very gung-ho in support of that conflict,

00:06:58.320 pushing the limits when it talks about things like immigration.

00:07:01.880 You know, the left always talking about Tucker Carlson

00:07:05.220 and the conspiracy theory of the Great Replacement.

00:07:07.300 You know, he's the boogeyman in a lot of ways.

00:07:10.120 And we just saw, you know, AOC basically demanding the removal of Tucker Carlson,

00:07:19.200 you know, telling the former White House press secretary

00:07:22.140 how important it was to censor Tucker Carlson off the air

00:07:25.880 and to get him off the air from Fox News.

00:07:28.340 And it's really interesting.

00:07:30.880 Do either of you think that this was a mutual decision?

00:07:35.000 Do you think someone was pressured?

00:07:36.100 Obviously, we're kind of in the fog of war here,

00:07:38.680 but I don't know, do you think that Tucker Carlson

00:07:42.340 didn't just want to be there anymore?

00:07:43.980 Or do you think this was a politically motivated situation?

00:07:48.540 Get somebody like this voice off the air

00:07:50.980 before we run into kind of some of these critical issues?

00:07:56.860 Whoever wants to go, you can jump in.

00:07:58.980 Go ahead, Wade.

00:08:00.220 Yeah, I mean, it is certainly possible.

00:08:02.740 There was some interview with an insider or something like that

00:08:06.800 where somebody said that he was planning on doing a show tonight

00:08:09.560 and it was going to be surrounding the Fox Dominion suit

00:08:12.440 and he was going to sort of clear his name or something like that

00:08:16.140 and that Fox was the one who squashed that.

00:08:20.260 It doesn't seem to me...

00:08:21.740 It seems like, yes, I think that Tucker has in several ways,

00:08:29.980 you know, not just in terms of ideology,

00:08:32.700 but in terms of where, you know, what he's doing.

00:08:36.360 He has created a lot of other landing pads that he could go to

00:08:40.840 and he's created a lot of those relationships.

00:08:43.020 I'm sorry, I actually figured what the end of the question was.

00:08:47.020 That's okay.

00:08:47.800 I think you're right.

00:08:48.900 I don't think anyone's under the impression

00:08:50.440 that Tucker Carlson won't end up somewhere.

00:08:52.880 It's not like he's not an employable guy.

00:08:55.540 He's obviously a massive talent

00:08:57.840 and arguably drove much of the Fox News audience at this point.

00:09:02.660 So wherever he goes, he will certainly be a boon.

00:09:05.600 But I was wondering if we think this is possibly a two-sided thing

00:09:11.220 where both parties just didn't want to continue forward

00:09:14.080 or because, like I said,

00:09:15.680 it just does feel like it was almost sprung on Carlson

00:09:18.720 over the weekend or, you know, coming up to today.

00:09:22.120 Or was this a situation where there really was

00:09:24.900 some kind of immediate push from management, from ownership,

00:09:29.200 someone saying, we got to get this guy off air?

00:09:31.440 Yeah, my assumption is that the relationship

00:09:33.400 had been probably fraying for a long time

00:09:35.400 and then something where they were both not happy with...

00:09:39.700 I can't imagine that it was one-sided in that sense.

00:09:46.780 Fair enough prediction.

00:09:47.760 What about you?

00:09:48.320 I know you sent me a story here.

00:09:49.840 I believe it was Washington Post

00:09:51.960 talking about how Murdoch directly wanted Tucker Carlson gone.

00:09:56.560 Do you think that that was kind of a top-down thing

00:09:59.460 immediately pushing?

00:10:00.460 Or do you think Carlson was already one foot out the door

00:10:02.960 at some point?

00:10:03.480 I think that the coverage over the last year and a half

00:10:06.880 probably had frayed his relationship with Rupert Murdoch

00:10:10.180 and probably others at Fox News and Entertainment,

00:10:13.720 the whole big Fox media empire that they own.

00:10:17.040 But, you know, there's one story that says

00:10:19.380 it's from Rupert Murdoch directly.

00:10:20.940 There's another that says, you know,

00:10:22.300 it has a lot to do with the Dominion lawsuit,

00:10:23.840 like Wade mentioned.

00:10:24.900 I mean, Vanity Fair, The Washington Post,

00:10:27.340 the L.A. Times have all covered it differently.

00:10:29.600 So, yeah, I mean, we're definitely in the fog of war.

00:10:31.360 But I think considering that Tucker stood

00:10:34.040 more or less as the only sort of conservative media figure,

00:10:37.260 at least on Fox,

00:10:38.580 that would go out of their way and call things out

00:10:41.200 for really what they were in a lot of respects.

00:10:44.220 You know, you can't go Bullworth forever

00:10:46.140 before someone tries to fire you or axe you.

00:10:49.120 And it seems like that they made that decision this morning

00:10:51.720 rather spur of the moment.

00:10:53.320 Because, I mean, even in that L.A. Times article,

00:10:55.820 they were saying that advertisements for Fox,

00:10:59.180 you know, Tucker Carlson tonight

00:11:00.400 was still going to happen later this Monday evening.

00:11:03.920 And that hasn't obviously not going to be the case anymore.

00:11:06.220 So I think on one hand, yeah, it's been

00:11:08.960 he's been one foot out the door for the other,

00:11:10.980 seeing how far he can go.

00:11:12.520 But I can't imagine that he has the world's best relationship

00:11:15.440 with Rupert Murdoch to begin with.

00:11:16.980 Yeah, and like I said,

00:11:19.880 the things that he was willing to address,

00:11:21.860 the positions he was willing to take,

00:11:23.680 it's very strange how different that is.

00:11:27.420 A lot of people, you know,

00:11:28.760 I heard from people who would say,

00:11:31.140 oh, at the end of the day, Tucker is still on Fox,

00:11:33.380 so he has to be controlled opposition.

00:11:35.340 You know, Tucker is still out there with a mainstream voice.

00:11:38.580 And so he has to be, you know,

00:11:40.380 somebody who is still playing the game

00:11:42.340 to the extent where he's not really,

00:11:43.780 you know, on the side of the right.

00:11:45.540 He's really just trying to manage opinions,

00:11:48.460 that kind of thing.

00:11:49.380 But I think this shows kind of how dangerous

00:11:51.680 he was to many in, you know,

00:11:54.900 the media and their efforts to kind of control opinion

00:11:57.620 on the right.

00:11:58.540 He's willing to cross a lot of lines,

00:12:00.700 interview a lot of people.

00:12:01.640 I mean, he brought Curtis Yarvin on

00:12:03.640 for crying out loud.

00:12:06.080 So, I mean, it's obviously a situation

00:12:08.920 where he was willing to go places

00:12:10.680 that were going to make him very unpopular

00:12:13.120 with the conservative mainstream,

00:12:15.740 but he was obviously very popular with the audience.

00:12:19.160 And I think it's very interesting

00:12:20.720 that he and Dan Bongino

00:12:23.120 leave within a week of each other.

00:12:25.660 You know, Dan Bongino,

00:12:26.980 a very popular host,

00:12:28.760 somebody who I believe he had the weekend show

00:12:30.500 is one of their top rated weekend guys.

00:12:32.760 And then Tucker Carlson,

00:12:34.400 obviously the top rated,

00:12:36.000 you know, nightly guy,

00:12:37.680 both leaving, you know,

00:12:38.880 almost simultaneously.

00:12:40.560 You have to wonder,

00:12:41.660 is this just a general trimming down of the budget?

00:12:45.160 Are these guys just too big?

00:12:46.480 And the talents, I mean,

00:12:47.660 it seems crazy to get rid of

00:12:48.720 two of your biggest talents

00:12:49.860 almost at the same time.

00:12:52.000 Or, you know, again,

00:12:52.980 is this politically motivated?

00:12:54.560 Or did both of them have opinions

00:12:55.980 that strayed too far from the mainstream?

00:12:58.380 Is it just a general shakeup?

00:12:59.660 Is Fox in a very dangerous place financially

00:13:03.040 due to this lawsuit they now have to pay out?

00:13:05.540 I mean, there's just a lot of questions

00:13:07.180 up in the air as to

00:13:08.280 why we're seeing these purges simultaneously.

00:13:12.880 Yeah.

00:13:13.160 Well, and on the ideological point,

00:13:15.980 it is difficult to picture

00:13:17.600 the writers for Tucker Carlson's show

00:13:20.540 going to a different Fox show

00:13:22.400 with all of those same opinions.

00:13:25.140 They're not going to get hired there.

00:13:26.440 I assume that a lot of the staff members

00:13:28.320 are going to move on

00:13:29.960 or do whatever Tucker does next

00:13:32.380 or at least, you know,

00:13:33.680 find a different position.

00:13:35.360 Whereas I think that that probably

00:13:36.920 would have been true

00:13:37.720 of when Bill O'Reilly was gone.

00:13:40.300 Obviously, there were different circumstances

00:13:41.580 around his leaving.

00:13:43.100 But the people who worked on Bill O'Reilly's show

00:13:45.620 could very easily just slot right into

00:13:47.700 some other Fox show.

00:13:49.380 I can't picture that happening

00:13:50.680 behind the scenes over there

00:13:51.800 at the Tucker show.

00:13:52.620 Yeah, they just had a...

00:13:56.020 I'm trying to remember,

00:13:57.100 I think his Media Matters

00:13:57.940 just had a headpiece

00:13:58.780 about one of Tucker Carlson's producers

00:14:01.100 following the wrong people on Twitter,

00:14:03.920 liking the wrong tweets.

00:14:06.960 But yeah, I think that's 100% true

00:14:08.700 that one of the reasons

00:14:10.500 Tucker, I think, was as plugged in

00:14:12.480 as he was,

00:14:13.860 was he did have a staff

00:14:15.260 who was, you know,

00:14:16.640 looking at what was new,

00:14:18.140 looking at where new opinions,

00:14:20.120 new culture, and things were forming.

00:14:21.600 Again, you can tell that

00:14:22.660 by some of the people

00:14:23.820 that they brought on

00:14:24.960 to his segments

00:14:27.140 and on to his daily show

00:14:30.020 is the one they have

00:14:31.180 on the streaming platform.

00:14:32.740 And so it's very clear

00:14:33.740 that they were plugged into

00:14:34.760 a different zeitgeist,

00:14:36.400 a different place

00:14:37.220 than any of the other Fox shows were.

00:14:41.400 And so I think you're right

00:14:42.300 that that does make

00:14:43.460 a very interesting problem.

00:14:45.100 Hopefully, everybody kind of lands safely,

00:14:47.480 you know,

00:14:48.080 especially if Tucker's moving on

00:14:49.660 somewhere else

00:14:50.380 that they'll find

00:14:52.140 a good place there.

00:14:53.120 But yeah, those writers

00:14:54.300 probably won't easily slot

00:14:55.920 into other shows there.

00:14:57.760 And speaking of that,

00:14:58.600 Prudentialists,

00:14:59.160 obviously,

00:15:00.040 we're kind of from a sphere

00:15:01.360 of kind of Twitter

00:15:03.540 that got a surprising amount

00:15:06.780 of attention

00:15:07.260 from some of, you know,

00:15:09.320 Tucker Carlson

00:15:10.380 and his staff.

00:15:11.720 I had,

00:15:12.420 when I had a very small

00:15:14.720 or a relatively small

00:15:15.640 Twitter account

00:15:16.260 and no one knew who I was,

00:15:17.780 Tucker Carlson read

00:15:18.540 one of my tweets

00:15:19.220 on his show on air.

00:15:21.040 He read Dr. Bennett's tweets on air.

00:15:26.000 He blew up that Martyrmaid thread on air.

00:15:29.120 He brought a lot of people

00:15:30.720 who otherwise kind of wouldn't

00:15:32.080 have any kind of exposure

00:15:33.320 to a lot of these

00:15:34.960 mainstream audiences.

00:15:36.340 He would just read their tweets

00:15:37.500 out on air out of nowhere.

00:15:38.780 And it was always shocking

00:15:39.820 to find out that one of the guys

00:15:41.600 that, you know,

00:15:42.260 you're sharing memes

00:15:43.780 with a couple of days ago

00:15:44.920 is suddenly Tucker,

00:15:46.640 Tucker Carlson famous.

00:15:47.800 It's a very different experience.

00:15:49.940 Yeah.

00:15:50.300 I mean,

00:15:50.480 we were always having

00:15:51.580 sort of a running gag

00:15:52.560 with one another

00:15:53.180 about whose tweets

00:15:54.020 would get read next

00:15:55.060 and, you know,

00:15:55.700 various group chats

00:15:56.520 that I'm in.

00:15:57.180 And, you know,

00:15:58.220 I think Wade is absolutely right.

00:15:59.860 A lot of the writers

00:16:00.460 and producers

00:16:01.120 for Tucker Carlson tonight

00:16:03.320 as well as Tucker Carlson originals

00:16:04.980 who I hope they still

00:16:06.500 keep following us.

00:16:07.280 That'd be great.

00:16:08.200 I hope maybe we can,

00:16:09.100 maybe new founding

00:16:09.780 or someone can help

00:16:10.560 land them a job

00:16:11.360 now that Tucker's been axed.

00:16:12.980 But it is definitely

00:16:14.880 a stranger media environment.

00:16:16.840 I mean,

00:16:17.000 it was a,

00:16:17.520 he was a bridge

00:16:18.400 between sort of

00:16:19.900 your mainstream

00:16:20.840 Republican voting audience

00:16:23.280 that are usually

00:16:23.920 in that 55 plus

00:16:25.240 and older range

00:16:26.140 and bringing ideas

00:16:27.300 from a younger generation

00:16:28.940 such as ourselves

00:16:30.260 or even other

00:16:32.080 Republican outsiders.

00:16:33.460 I mean,

00:16:33.600 he's had on his original show,

00:16:34.940 he's had Charles Haywood on,

00:16:35.840 he's had Curtis Yarvin,

00:16:37.100 he's, you know,

00:16:37.680 had raw egg nationalists

00:16:39.160 talked about.

00:16:39.800 So, I mean,

00:16:40.160 he was this interesting bridge

00:16:41.760 between new

00:16:43.680 and dissident voices

00:16:44.960 to the mainstream

00:16:46.460 Republican Party

00:16:47.940 and the mainstream

00:16:48.480 sort of GOP right.

00:16:50.460 And seeing that be axed

00:16:52.640 is a tragedy

00:16:54.220 for anyone

00:16:54.700 who wants to push things

00:16:55.900 outside of that,

00:16:57.820 you know,

00:16:58.180 Sean Hannity,

00:16:59.240 Overton window.

00:17:00.380 And, you know,

00:17:01.160 time and time again,

00:17:01.860 we saw while Tucker

00:17:03.020 was on there,

00:17:03.720 he would talk about the war,

00:17:04.980 he would talk about

00:17:05.680 neoconservatives

00:17:06.580 and being,

00:17:08.020 you know,

00:17:08.220 banging the war drum

00:17:09.260 and he had called out

00:17:10.700 Sean Hannity

00:17:11.300 and Senator Lindsey Graham

00:17:12.680 more times

00:17:13.260 than I care to count.

00:17:14.240 So, I'm not surprised

00:17:15.820 that they would want

00:17:16.640 to remove somebody

00:17:17.940 of, you know,

00:17:19.160 bringing in such different

00:17:20.120 talent and voices

00:17:21.080 and making sure

00:17:22.960 things stay on message.

00:17:24.480 We're seeing

00:17:24.980 the centralization

00:17:25.900 of a message

00:17:27.020 on broadcast television

00:17:28.540 and I'd imagine

00:17:29.340 on other platforms as well.

00:17:31.680 And Tucker

00:17:32.120 was always someone

00:17:32.940 who was willing

00:17:33.800 to sort of learn

00:17:34.740 in public.

00:17:35.460 He went through

00:17:37.080 many ideological shifts.

00:17:38.940 You watch the kind

00:17:39.560 of crossfire

00:17:40.540 libertarian bowtie

00:17:42.740 Tucker Carlson.

00:17:44.340 It's a different guy.

00:17:46.120 But, you know,

00:17:47.020 having people on,

00:17:48.800 he was learning

00:17:49.620 in real time

00:17:50.260 and that is a really,

00:17:52.800 you know,

00:17:53.260 a reasonable reason

00:17:53.940 for somebody

00:17:54.340 to get nervous

00:17:54.940 if you're employing

00:17:56.000 that guy.

00:17:56.780 Who knows what

00:17:57.400 he's going to say next

00:17:58.160 that you're not,

00:17:58.940 he might learn something,

00:18:00.200 he might hear something

00:18:01.180 and start saying

00:18:01.960 something that you

00:18:02.520 find objectionable

00:18:04.520 and that advertisers

00:18:05.360 might find objectionable.

00:18:07.320 Yeah, I always thought

00:18:08.360 that was kind of wild.

00:18:09.440 It was very obvious

00:18:10.380 when January 6th

00:18:12.800 and vote counts

00:18:13.740 and everything

00:18:14.100 were coming in

00:18:14.840 that Tucker

00:18:15.840 was very worried

00:18:16.900 about what he would say

00:18:18.540 and he seemed

00:18:19.700 very hesitant

00:18:20.360 to talk about

00:18:22.400 different theories

00:18:23.780 about any kind

00:18:24.600 of foul play

00:18:25.420 or any kind

00:18:26.480 of issues there.

00:18:27.800 and then

00:18:29.100 kind of

00:18:30.180 as the time

00:18:31.100 went by

00:18:32.260 he kind of found

00:18:33.200 I think the courage

00:18:34.440 to say

00:18:35.020 okay, maybe

00:18:35.940 we should have

00:18:36.800 talked about this

00:18:37.660 when it was happening

00:18:38.360 and it's on us

00:18:40.000 that we fell down

00:18:41.040 and didn't address that

00:18:42.400 and then obviously

00:18:43.120 his willingness

00:18:43.860 to push

00:18:44.580 on, you know,

00:18:46.260 Ray Epps

00:18:46.820 and the footage

00:18:47.760 from January 6th

00:18:49.140 and all of these

00:18:50.000 other things

00:18:50.960 that have been

00:18:51.740 revealed

00:18:52.680 since then

00:18:53.940 it really does

00:18:55.260 show,

00:18:56.180 like you said,

00:18:56.680 a willingness

00:18:57.140 to learn

00:18:57.840 a willingness

00:18:58.260 to change

00:18:59.100 a willingness

00:18:59.900 to kind of

00:19:00.500 find that courage

00:19:01.700 even if

00:19:02.360 I know a lot

00:19:03.020 of people

00:19:03.300 were angry

00:19:03.740 with him

00:19:04.200 at that time

00:19:05.140 saying

00:19:06.580 why aren't

00:19:07.160 you speaking

00:19:07.540 up

00:19:07.780 why aren't

00:19:08.060 you

00:19:08.280 but they're

00:19:09.000 not there

00:19:09.460 you know

00:19:09.840 they're not

00:19:10.440 in the middle

00:19:11.560 of that

00:19:12.080 firefight

00:19:12.820 and understanding

00:19:13.620 everything

00:19:13.980 that's kind

00:19:14.420 of on the line

00:19:15.060 in that moment

00:19:15.720 especially when

00:19:16.620 we see

00:19:17.020 the willingness

00:19:17.840 of the security

00:19:18.540 state

00:19:19.000 I mean

00:19:19.480 they were

00:19:20.560 spying on him

00:19:21.420 you know

00:19:22.040 it's very

00:19:22.660 very clear

00:19:23.200 they understood

00:19:23.880 kind of

00:19:24.620 the gravity

00:19:26.620 of what was

00:19:27.100 happening

00:19:27.480 there

00:19:27.800 and so

00:19:28.460 his willingness

00:19:29.060 to say

00:19:29.880 no

00:19:30.260 okay

00:19:30.660 maybe I fumbled

00:19:31.440 the ball

00:19:31.840 there in an

00:19:32.320 important moment

00:19:32.900 but I'm going

00:19:33.740 to get back

00:19:34.180 on this

00:19:34.620 and I'm going

00:19:35.160 to push

00:19:35.600 this

00:19:35.840 and I'm going

00:19:36.460 to correct

00:19:37.660 that by

00:19:38.200 being the loudest

00:19:39.860 voice

00:19:40.260 and fearless

00:19:41.380 and chasing

00:19:42.280 down different

00:19:43.360 parts of this

00:19:43.880 it makes a huge

00:19:45.060 difference

00:19:45.560 and I wonder

00:19:46.720 what this means

00:19:47.640 for the conservative

00:19:48.580 media sphere

00:19:49.260 going forward

00:19:49.800 because obviously

00:19:50.520 Fox News

00:19:51.200 is the largest

00:19:52.300 platform

00:19:52.760 and I'm sure

00:19:53.440 all of us

00:19:53.960 have very

00:19:54.680 valid

00:19:55.040 criticisms

00:19:55.600 but losing

00:19:57.840 a voice

00:19:58.580 like Tucker's

00:19:59.240 is very

00:19:59.520 interesting

00:19:59.860 because it

00:20:00.440 really shows

00:20:02.140 I think

00:20:02.460 for a lot

00:20:02.780 of people

00:20:03.000 who have now

00:20:03.340 tasted

00:20:03.860 what that

00:20:04.500 was

00:20:05.260 it really

00:20:05.920 shows

00:20:06.340 Fox's

00:20:06.820 unwillingness

00:20:07.580 to platform

00:20:08.580 anything out

00:20:09.900 of a very

00:20:10.460 controlled

00:20:11.220 opinion

00:20:12.460 and I wonder

00:20:13.700 what this means

00:20:14.220 for the future

00:20:15.180 of Fox News

00:20:15.720 a lot of people

00:20:16.280 are splashing

00:20:16.800 Fox News

00:20:17.440 stock

00:20:17.860 failing

00:20:18.260 Fox News

00:20:18.800 is over

00:20:19.200 it's the end

00:20:19.680 I'm pretty

00:20:20.660 doubtful of that

00:20:21.520 I don't think

00:20:23.040 Fox News

00:20:23.540 is over

00:20:24.000 I think

00:20:24.400 it's still

00:20:24.820 going to be

00:20:25.240 the largest

00:20:25.920 you know

00:20:26.720 quote unquote

00:20:27.200 conservative

00:20:27.920 news network

00:20:29.460 but I know

00:20:30.240 but I wonder

00:20:30.780 what this does

00:20:31.500 to kind of

00:20:31.900 their future

00:20:32.460 their believability

00:20:33.320 and what kind

00:20:33.920 of opportunities

00:20:34.380 this opens

00:20:34.940 up for competitors

00:20:35.760 yeah I think

00:20:38.420 that the

00:20:39.000 it will be

00:20:40.320 interesting to see

00:20:40.920 I think Fox News

00:20:41.740 is one of those

00:20:42.320 things that

00:20:43.240 certain people

00:20:43.820 just put on

00:20:44.380 at the end

00:20:44.680 of the day

00:20:45.000 like a warm

00:20:45.520 bath

00:20:45.960 it's not

00:20:46.780 necessarily

00:20:47.200 even about

00:20:47.720 the ideology

00:20:48.440 it's like

00:20:48.860 a little

00:20:49.580 a nice little

00:20:50.280 relief from

00:20:50.940 the you know

00:20:52.440 it's comfortable

00:20:53.620 anyway

00:20:54.100 but I think

00:20:55.020 that if Tucker

00:20:56.500 whatever Tucker

00:20:57.220 does next

00:20:57.920 it will be

00:20:58.580 interesting to

00:20:59.020 see how many

00:21:00.340 people that's

00:21:01.380 their first

00:21:01.780 podcast

00:21:02.400 where at

00:21:03.560 the end

00:21:03.980 for a long

00:21:04.980 time they just

00:21:05.460 turned on

00:21:05.800 whatever was

00:21:06.180 on Fox

00:21:06.620 and then

00:21:06.940 now it's

00:21:08.320 now they got

00:21:08.680 to download

00:21:09.040 whatever Tucker's

00:21:09.660 doing

00:21:09.860 but I do

00:21:11.800 think that

00:21:12.240 there will

00:21:12.580 be folks

00:21:13.040 who will

00:21:13.380 tune into

00:21:13.880 Fox News

00:21:14.540 tonight

00:21:14.900 whatever that

00:21:15.420 turns out

00:21:15.780 to be

00:21:16.080 and they

00:21:16.760 might slot

00:21:17.740 in whoever

00:21:18.500 and Fox

00:21:19.620 is probably

00:21:20.840 optimistic

00:21:21.320 about their

00:21:21.700 chances

00:21:22.040 because

00:21:22.500 I mean

00:21:22.880 again

00:21:23.160 they did

00:21:24.080 fire Bill O'Reilly

00:21:25.420 plugged in

00:21:26.000 Tucker Carlson

00:21:26.600 and now

00:21:26.960 he's the

00:21:27.300 number one

00:21:28.140 guy in the

00:21:29.160 slot

00:21:29.420 so

00:21:29.700 but

00:21:30.300 distribution

00:21:30.820 has changed

00:21:31.520 in such a

00:21:31.960 vast way

00:21:32.600 since late

00:21:33.700 2016

00:21:34.320 which is when

00:21:35.540 Tucker got

00:21:36.200 that show

00:21:36.680 I

00:21:38.280 assume that

00:21:40.180 they're optimistic

00:21:40.940 we'll see

00:21:42.800 what do you

00:21:44.940 think

00:21:45.060 Prudentialist

00:21:45.580 I mean

00:21:46.780 I'll follow

00:21:47.980 Tucker

00:21:48.560 probably

00:21:49.020 wherever he

00:21:49.500 goes next

00:21:50.100 but I

00:21:50.460 mean

00:21:50.660 it's going

00:21:51.180 to be

00:21:51.440 a significant

00:21:52.000 reduction

00:21:52.560 and even

00:21:53.520 if he

00:21:53.740 wants to

00:21:54.040 start his

00:21:54.380 own company

00:21:54.900 I think

00:21:55.440 it'll take

00:21:55.860 a year

00:21:56.280 or so

00:21:56.760 we don't

00:21:57.120 even know

00:21:57.440 about any

00:21:58.080 sort of

00:21:58.340 non-compete

00:21:59.020 clauses

00:21:59.460 or anything

00:21:59.900 like that

00:22:00.380 his contract

00:22:01.100 if he's

00:22:01.640 held up

00:22:02.440 to them

00:22:02.800 or not

00:22:03.340 I think

00:22:04.680 that you

00:22:05.260 know

00:22:05.400 it's not

00:22:05.740 the end

00:22:06.060 of Fox

00:22:06.580 News

00:22:06.860 in the

00:22:07.600 slightest

00:22:07.960 I mean

00:22:08.560 losing

00:22:09.360 one guy

00:22:10.080 won't do

00:22:11.340 it despite

00:22:11.780 their pull

00:22:12.180 even losing

00:22:12.800 two with

00:22:13.340 Dan going

00:22:13.940 as well

00:22:14.400 I just

00:22:15.840 see that

00:22:16.280 Fox

00:22:16.580 will shuffle

00:22:17.020 on

00:22:17.320 I do

00:22:17.560 think a lot

00:22:17.920 of people

00:22:18.160 will maybe

00:22:18.640 tune them

00:22:19.160 out

00:22:19.480 but there

00:22:20.480 are still

00:22:20.820 plenty of

00:22:21.320 people that

00:22:21.720 watch all

00:22:22.340 their other

00:22:22.720 programs

00:22:23.340 you know

00:22:23.760 Fox and

00:22:24.240 Friends

00:22:24.620 the Five

00:22:25.660 or the

00:22:26.380 Red Eye

00:22:26.700 stuff

00:22:27.120 so I

00:22:28.240 think that

00:22:28.820 they'll stay

00:22:29.800 for quite

00:22:30.200 some time

00:22:30.840 but it is

00:22:31.360 a large

00:22:31.960 blow

00:22:32.440 ideologically

00:22:33.620 as well

00:22:34.300 as professionally

00:22:35.000 to Fox

00:22:36.780 or anyone

00:22:37.120 that might

00:22:37.460 consider working

00:22:38.120 for them

00:22:38.580 unless they

00:22:39.040 already have

00:22:39.740 strict

00:22:40.480 ideological

00:22:41.200 opinions

00:22:41.820 that fit

00:22:42.920 in line

00:22:43.400 with sort

00:22:43.840 of the

00:22:44.360 Murdoch

00:22:45.120 Empire

00:22:45.560 orthodoxy

00:22:46.420 yeah you

00:22:47.920 do wonder

00:22:48.400 if there's

00:22:49.060 a fracturing

00:22:49.720 there I

00:22:50.160 mean obviously

00:22:50.780 Fox retains

00:22:52.140 its ability

00:22:52.720 as kingmaker

00:22:53.600 just due

00:22:54.240 to its

00:22:54.680 size

00:22:55.200 but at

00:22:56.720 some point

00:22:57.420 you know

00:22:58.020 like Wade

00:22:59.460 was saying

00:22:59.800 somebody discovers

00:23:00.540 their first

00:23:00.960 podcast right

00:23:01.760 like the

00:23:02.140 question is

00:23:02.940 can if

00:23:04.900 the boomers

00:23:05.600 will move

00:23:06.260 off of

00:23:06.620 platform

00:23:07.000 or because

00:23:08.280 that's the

00:23:08.940 vast majority

00:23:09.500 of what's

00:23:09.960 keeping the

00:23:10.520 Fox News

00:23:11.160 audience afloat

00:23:12.200 is people

00:23:12.540 who are

00:23:13.180 older

00:23:14.060 and are

00:23:14.720 still

00:23:15.420 you know

00:23:16.080 stuck

00:23:16.340 with

00:23:16.500 subscription

00:23:17.020 TV

00:23:17.560 aren't

00:23:18.440 you know

00:23:18.700 aren't

00:23:18.920 willing to

00:23:19.340 go to

00:23:19.680 rumble

00:23:20.040 or aren't

00:23:20.620 willing to

00:23:20.920 go to

00:23:21.140 YouTube

00:23:21.380 or aren't

00:23:21.780 willing to

00:23:22.260 subscribe to

00:23:23.180 a podcast

00:23:23.700 but once

00:23:25.440 that generation

00:23:26.400 kind of

00:23:26.900 phases out

00:23:27.880 of relevance

00:23:28.880 or if they

00:23:30.020 start finding

00:23:30.800 other avenues

00:23:31.800 then you

00:23:32.940 wonder if

00:23:34.020 they can

00:23:34.340 continue to

00:23:34.880 kind of

00:23:35.100 hold on

00:23:35.920 the way

00:23:36.800 they've been

00:23:37.220 holding on

00:23:37.980 now a really

00:23:38.620 interesting

00:23:39.020 thing

00:23:39.460 and some

00:23:40.560 people have

00:23:40.920 speculated

00:23:41.380 I'm not

00:23:41.740 sure if this

00:23:42.240 has any

00:23:42.700 validity

00:23:43.040 but a really

00:23:43.900 interesting thing

00:23:44.600 is over the

00:23:45.280 weekend

00:23:45.760 Tucker's speech

00:23:47.600 to the Heritage

00:23:48.360 Foundation

00:23:49.140 kind of went

00:23:50.160 viral

00:23:50.620 and it's not

00:23:52.860 particularly spicy

00:23:54.020 in and of

00:23:54.540 itself

00:23:55.000 but what is

00:23:55.640 really interesting

00:23:56.360 in it is

00:23:57.140 the way he

00:23:58.520 encourages people

00:23:59.400 to look at

00:24:00.240 what's happening

00:24:01.020 here and it's

00:24:01.940 something that I

00:24:02.620 know I've said a

00:24:03.380 lot and Prudential

00:24:04.080 has said a lot

00:24:04.700 a lot of people

00:24:05.220 have said he

00:24:06.380 but he echoed a

00:24:07.200 lot of those

00:24:07.580 thoughts in a

00:24:08.040 very powerful

00:24:08.560 way which

00:24:09.560 was it's

00:24:10.960 time to stop

00:24:11.640 pretending that

00:24:12.760 this is a

00:24:13.240 political

00:24:13.640 disagreement

00:24:14.600 over minutia

00:24:17.000 about kind

00:24:17.680 of where the

00:24:18.220 country is

00:24:18.620 going like

00:24:19.080 is it a

00:24:20.300 25% tax

00:24:21.780 rate or a

00:24:22.420 45% tax

00:24:23.480 rate that

00:24:23.860 really drives

00:24:24.520 the optimum

00:24:25.060 whatever like

00:24:26.560 it's very clear

00:24:27.560 that we are

00:24:28.100 approaching

00:24:28.460 something that

00:24:28.940 is much

00:24:29.620 more akin

00:24:30.740 to a

00:24:31.400 fundamental

00:24:31.960 conflict of

00:24:33.440 moral visions

00:24:34.060 a true

00:24:34.720 disagreement

00:24:35.280 about what

00:24:36.140 good and

00:24:36.600 evil is

00:24:37.400 in a way

00:24:38.260 that is

00:24:38.600 not going

00:24:38.980 to be

00:24:39.200 resolved

00:24:39.760 through a

00:24:41.160 kind of

00:24:41.880 basic

00:24:42.260 argument

00:24:42.780 in the

00:24:43.220 marketplace

00:24:43.840 of ideas

00:24:44.780 and that's

00:24:46.340 a really

00:24:46.760 interesting

00:24:47.280 thing to

00:24:47.880 have blow

00:24:48.460 up and

00:24:48.860 go viral

00:24:49.500 right before

00:24:50.260 you get

00:24:50.660 kicked off

00:24:51.400 of a

00:24:52.880 news network

00:24:53.660 I'm not

00:24:54.100 saying that

00:24:54.520 in and of

00:24:54.920 itself was

00:24:55.620 the driving

00:24:56.180 force

00:24:56.820 but I

00:24:58.180 wonder what

00:24:58.700 you guys

00:24:59.000 think about

00:24:59.520 this shift

00:25:00.740 in the

00:25:01.220 understanding

00:25:01.860 of what

00:25:02.860 the nature

00:25:03.340 of the

00:25:03.980 political

00:25:04.300 conflict

00:25:04.940 is that

00:25:05.760 he was

00:25:06.040 encouraging

00:25:06.620 and how

00:25:08.180 that might

00:25:08.680 change how

00:25:09.640 people see

00:25:10.080 it and how

00:25:10.380 that might

00:25:10.720 endanger what

00:25:12.000 has been

00:25:12.520 kind of the

00:25:12.940 conservative

00:25:13.440 establishment

00:25:14.320 in media

00:25:15.040 today

00:25:15.400 yeah well

00:25:17.380 you can

00:25:17.640 you can

00:25:18.300 certainly

00:25:18.540 see that

00:25:19.180 he was

00:25:19.940 assuming that

00:25:21.240 he would be

00:25:21.620 operating in

00:25:22.600 the kind of

00:25:23.080 environment where

00:25:23.620 everybody agrees

00:25:24.500 on what a

00:25:25.040 human being

00:25:25.480 is and

00:25:26.960 agrees on

00:25:27.600 what a

00:25:28.120 man is or

00:25:28.700 what the

00:25:29.600 goals for

00:25:30.180 human being

00:25:31.040 should be

00:25:31.620 and his

00:25:33.680 recognition of

00:25:34.840 that is a

00:25:35.980 major blow

00:25:36.740 to the other

00:25:37.520 side his

00:25:38.500 recognition that

00:25:39.460 it is he

00:25:40.400 used the

00:25:40.960 phrase a

00:25:41.360 theological

00:25:41.780 conflict and

00:25:44.220 that recognizing

00:25:46.180 the nature of

00:25:46.780 the conflict

00:25:47.280 is could be

00:25:49.200 yes enough

00:25:50.160 to make

00:25:51.480 people go

00:25:51.940 okay well

00:25:52.400 we definitely

00:25:52.960 need to shut

00:25:53.280 this guy

00:25:53.580 down whereas

00:25:54.660 if you are

00:25:55.480 still stuck

00:25:56.120 in the old

00:25:56.700 mode it's

00:25:58.160 much easier

00:25:58.740 to I don't

00:26:00.380 know if

00:26:00.720 there's a

00:26:01.240 direct

00:26:01.440 connection

00:26:01.720 between that

00:26:02.160 speech and

00:26:02.880 what happened

00:26:03.500 this morning

00:26:03.880 but it

00:26:05.160 would make

00:26:05.540 sense that

00:26:05.960 that would

00:26:06.220 make people

00:26:06.660 much more

00:26:07.280 nervous than

00:26:08.260 the previous

00:26:10.080 version of

00:26:11.040 Tucker

00:26:11.540 right

00:26:12.340 yeah I mean

00:26:14.240 I think that

00:26:15.380 Tucker for

00:26:16.520 all you know

00:26:17.180 even though he

00:26:17.700 was sort of

00:26:18.240 calling out his

00:26:19.660 own Episcopalian

00:26:20.480 roots I mean he

00:26:21.020 has a very

00:26:21.460 valid point that

00:26:22.460 I think many

00:26:22.880 of us have

00:26:23.280 called out is

00:26:23.920 that all

00:26:25.040 politics and

00:26:26.280 all of the

00:26:26.700 realities that

00:26:27.480 we generate

00:26:28.000 you know they

00:26:28.500 do have an

00:26:29.280 innately

00:26:29.620 if not you

00:26:31.180 know purely

00:26:31.580 innately

00:26:31.960 theological

00:26:32.620 realm to

00:26:33.540 it you know

00:26:34.040 bad theology

00:26:35.180 makes for bad

00:26:35.860 realities and

00:26:36.640 if you live in

00:26:37.240 a world where

00:26:37.940 a liberation

00:26:38.500 theology means

00:26:39.560 that a dude

00:26:40.500 in a dress is

00:26:41.200 somehow a woman

00:26:42.040 then you know

00:26:42.780 that's the kind

00:26:43.240 of bad reality

00:26:44.020 that we're going

00:26:44.600 to degenerate

00:26:45.640 and to live

00:26:46.100 under which is

00:26:46.700 absolutely awful

00:26:47.560 and you know

00:26:49.360 having a call

00:26:49.940 to prayer and

00:26:50.560 to recognize

00:26:51.060 that you are

00:26:52.020 really dealing

00:26:52.720 with people

00:26:53.440 that it's not

00:26:54.720 stupidity or

00:26:55.620 malice it is

00:26:56.480 just malice and

00:26:57.920 calling that

00:26:59.200 out I think

00:26:59.900 does kind of

00:27:00.440 highlight what

00:27:01.060 you're dealing

00:27:01.780 with in 2023

00:27:03.140 and probably have

00:27:03.980 been dealing

00:27:04.340 with for quite

00:27:04.900 some time is

00:27:05.580 that there are

00:27:06.100 people through

00:27:07.260 their own

00:27:07.660 interest their

00:27:08.500 selfishness greed

00:27:09.660 whatever really

00:27:10.900 do wish to

00:27:11.920 inflict harm on

00:27:12.740 you whether

00:27:13.520 ideologically

00:27:14.120 stocastically or

00:27:15.180 however and at

00:27:16.920 least he was

00:27:17.380 saying to use his

00:27:18.280 voice and platform

00:27:19.140 to call that for

00:27:20.040 what it was

00:27:20.580 so again obviously

00:27:23.060 we know that

00:27:24.480 tucker is the

00:27:25.360 biggest show in

00:27:26.280 the market it's

00:27:27.000 the you know

00:27:27.800 not just amongst

00:27:29.080 conservatives but

00:27:30.160 it's it's the

00:27:31.080 most watched show

00:27:31.900 amongst many

00:27:32.700 many liberals as

00:27:34.040 well and so

00:27:36.120 you have to

00:27:36.760 wonder how

00:27:38.000 people can

00:27:40.120 continue to make

00:27:41.020 arguments about

00:27:41.820 the marketplace

00:27:42.480 kind of at this

00:27:43.660 point right I

00:27:44.620 mean you literally

00:27:45.220 have you know

00:27:46.460 what if coke was

00:27:47.540 just like yeah

00:27:48.780 it's too popular

00:27:49.740 take it yeah

00:27:50.420 take it down

00:27:51.340 right start pushing

00:27:52.220 the fresca you

00:27:53.300 know like it

00:27:53.900 it just it

00:27:55.060 really blows up

00:27:56.240 the narrative

00:27:56.920 that the best

00:27:59.420 product is going

00:28:00.440 to win out

00:28:01.140 that it's the

00:28:02.480 one that's going

00:28:03.080 to be most

00:28:03.580 desired by

00:28:04.360 companies that

00:28:04.960 profit is what

00:28:06.100 drives this stuff

00:28:07.120 I mean you

00:28:07.960 can't imagine I

00:28:09.100 don't know what

00:28:09.660 ads cost on

00:28:10.800 tucker carlson but

00:28:11.880 it's got to be

00:28:12.700 pretty wild right

00:28:13.820 like the the

00:28:14.640 kind of size of

00:28:15.720 the audience and

00:28:16.460 the that he was

00:28:17.140 driving was really

00:28:18.800 unprecedented amongst

00:28:19.920 other news networks

00:28:20.940 and you can in

00:28:21.840 this day and age

00:28:22.620 of fractured

00:28:23.380 news entertainment

00:28:24.800 and so the

00:28:26.240 ability to command

00:28:27.240 the revenue stream

00:28:28.880 that he was like

00:28:29.700 yeah Fox News

00:28:30.460 might feel like

00:28:31.200 they can just

00:28:31.800 plug anybody in

00:28:32.980 there they're the

00:28:33.460 king makers you

00:28:34.300 will just you

00:28:35.340 know throw you

00:28:36.660 know Brad Palumbo

00:28:37.500 in and you know

00:28:38.320 it'll be fine you

00:28:39.500 know but but you

00:28:41.800 know what what

00:28:43.640 does this mean for

00:28:44.580 people who have

00:28:45.580 this this belief

00:28:47.560 still that the

00:28:48.820 marketplace is what

00:28:49.880 drives companies

00:28:51.160 decisions that

00:28:52.240 profit motive is

00:28:53.380 what drives these

00:28:53.960 decisions and I

00:28:54.860 guess more

00:28:55.140 importantly even

00:28:56.000 above that that

00:28:57.140 the marketplace of

00:28:57.880 ideas is something

00:28:59.380 that is a real

00:29:00.280 contest that drives

00:29:01.820 our political

00:29:02.840 understanding I mean

00:29:04.080 when you have a guy

00:29:05.040 who is he's he's

00:29:06.520 delivering monologues

00:29:07.640 that literally made

00:29:08.340 the news he generated

00:29:09.700 his own news cycles

00:29:10.940 by just reading for

00:29:12.400 12 minutes what he

00:29:13.360 wrote about the news

00:29:14.440 and when you have

00:29:16.140 that kind of power

00:29:17.960 to influence the

00:29:19.160 marketplace of ideas

00:29:20.200 and then it's just

00:29:21.780 wiped away by people

00:29:22.900 who are supposed to

00:29:23.600 be wanting to make

00:29:24.300 money off of you

00:29:25.060 but now can't be

00:29:26.180 bothered to you

00:29:27.040 know endure your

00:29:27.780 opinions I feel like

00:29:29.220 it's a pretty you

00:29:30.940 know glaring indictment

00:29:32.060 of people's

00:29:32.900 understanding of the

00:29:33.980 way that we you

00:29:34.940 know buy and sell

00:29:35.780 and trade things

00:29:36.700 when it comes to a

00:29:37.480 media marketplace

00:29:38.140 yeah so he's he's

00:29:42.340 certainly not

00:29:42.900 incentivized to just

00:29:44.000 go after the truth

00:29:45.460 or the also the

00:29:46.740 myth that the the

00:29:47.700 true that journalism

00:29:49.540 means going after

00:29:50.920 the truth and you

00:29:51.820 know in an unbiased

00:29:53.540 way or trying to

00:29:54.560 find that yeah if it

00:29:56.640 really was that the

00:29:57.860 best ideas win then

00:30:00.200 Tucker Carlson would

00:30:00.940 be of course or that

00:30:02.760 the money wins so

00:30:03.980 yeah of course

00:30:04.520 everybody would want

00:30:05.300 to be scrambling for

00:30:06.460 Tucker Carlson and

00:30:07.380 now that he's gone

00:30:08.360 at Fox if it was

00:30:09.740 that then of course

00:30:10.820 he'd be getting calls

00:30:11.560 from ABC or NBC

00:30:12.680 right whereas now

00:30:14.580 he's no of course

00:30:15.400 of course not

00:30:16.180 because yeah he's

00:30:17.640 he's fired because

00:30:18.300 he's fired I don't

00:30:19.620 you know I know

00:30:20.060 the circumstances but

00:30:21.260 he's gone because

00:30:23.000 he's dangerous and

00:30:25.300 and not because he

00:30:26.260 was too good it was

00:30:27.520 everything was the

00:30:29.520 the market incentive

00:30:30.580 doesn't yeah does not

00:30:31.780 the incentive stuff

00:30:32.920 doesn't answer for

00:30:33.620 this yeah I mean if

00:30:35.820 the marketplace of

00:30:36.760 ideas was really the

00:30:37.980 the winning key to

00:30:39.020 success if we just

00:30:39.900 hit them with better

00:30:40.660 ideas I mean Thomas

00:30:41.760 soul would have

00:30:42.440 been you know the

00:30:43.480 crown victor of the

00:30:44.680 bat marketplace of

00:30:45.620 ideas you know 60 70

00:30:47.160 years ago and we

00:30:48.140 wouldn't be doing this

00:30:49.080 right now but that

00:30:49.920 clearly isn't the

00:30:50.780 case and so you know

00:30:52.760 I think that you can

00:30:53.640 tell that the

00:30:54.220 marketplace of ideas

00:30:55.340 has an innate thumb

00:30:57.640 on the scale in the

00:30:58.740 same way that a lot

00:30:59.500 of aspects of

00:31:00.220 American life have a

00:31:01.420 thumb on the scale

00:31:02.140 and that you know

00:31:04.740 it does it raises an

00:31:06.100 interesting question

00:31:06.800 about where he'll go

00:31:07.700 because you look at

00:31:09.320 Comcast AT&T Disney

00:31:11.160 21st Century Fox CBS

00:31:12.700 and Viacom they all

00:31:14.280 kind of go in one

00:31:15.260 certain direction when

00:31:16.300 it comes to news and

00:31:18.200 so you know wherever he

00:31:20.220 goes next if it's not

00:31:21.840 on one of those

00:31:22.300 platforms or if he

00:31:23.280 does something you

00:31:24.840 know on a speaking

00:31:25.440 tour or something like

00:31:26.540 that you know like the

00:31:27.480 old Jordan Peterson

00:31:28.240 days it's just it will

00:31:29.780 not have the same

00:31:30.680 level of reach or you

00:31:33.640 know staying power as

00:31:34.880 it was with an hour

00:31:36.280 long show every week

00:31:37.760 night and doing his

00:31:38.720 own original stuff in

00:31:39.800 the mornings behind a

00:31:40.640 paywall it just will

00:31:41.700 not and so wherever

00:31:43.500 he goes it will be

00:31:44.880 like cordoning him off

00:31:46.400 to sort of an

00:31:47.080 intellectual ghetto

00:31:48.100 like a lot of people

00:31:49.440 do when they get

00:31:50.140 banned off Twitter or

00:31:51.220 any other major

00:31:51.840 platform so whatever

00:31:53.620 happens next is going

00:31:54.860 to show us a really

00:31:55.960 significant reduction

00:31:57.820 of having those

00:31:58.940 bridges and those

00:31:59.920 connections to people

00:32:01.620 with money ideas that

00:32:03.500 are looking for a way

00:32:05.140 out because I mean as

00:32:06.160 Tucker outlined it in

00:32:07.080 that speech at the

00:32:07.720 Heritage Foundation

00:32:09.160 you know it's just

00:32:10.140 things are innately

00:32:11.220 going off the rails

00:32:12.300 and that there are

00:32:12.800 people running things

00:32:13.680 that are just innately

00:32:14.540 evil and you know

00:32:16.300 getting that message

00:32:16.980 across is going to be a

00:32:17.880 lot harder now

00:32:18.600 yeah and again as

00:32:20.820 much as some people

00:32:22.100 will try to kind of

00:32:23.340 throw flack in his

00:32:24.660 direction Tucker was

00:32:26.020 obviously like we've

00:32:27.480 noted a pipeline and a

00:32:29.680 platform for people who

00:32:31.760 are kind of outside of

00:32:32.860 the mainstream and so

00:32:34.440 it's not just canceling

00:32:35.960 Tucker Carlson though

00:32:37.340 again we don't know if

00:32:38.380 this was you know some

00:32:39.540 level of mutual or no

00:32:40.560 you can't just say he

00:32:41.380 got fired or whatever

00:32:42.160 here but but him no

00:32:43.580 longer having that Fox

00:32:44.720 News platform means that

00:32:46.700 a whole slew of up and

00:32:48.760 coming people who had

00:32:50.040 appeared on his show or

00:32:52.320 written for his show or

00:32:54.000 you know had made

00:32:56.160 appearances or had

00:32:57.580 ideas like said you know

00:32:58.660 raw egg national showed

00:32:59.860 up on Tucker Carlson I

00:33:01.860 mean that's wild you

00:33:03.260 you really have to

00:33:04.080 grasp how strange that

00:33:06.040 is for you know some of

00:33:07.100 us who are plinking

00:33:07.860 around on Twitter and you

00:33:09.040 know a couple years ago

00:33:10.140 and and and it's just

00:33:12.220 wild that that kind of

00:33:15.100 bridge was there and so

00:33:18.220 when they take Tucker

00:33:19.440 Carlson off that network

00:33:20.900 it's not just him being

00:33:22.560 gone it's it's the all of

00:33:24.740 the voices that were being

00:33:25.860 mainstreamed all of the

00:33:26.960 people who were having an

00:33:28.000 opportunity to kind of

00:33:30.080 enter into the public

00:33:31.100 conscious in a way that

00:33:32.240 no one had you know seen

00:33:34.780 before I think it really

00:33:36.380 shifts things and it's as

00:33:38.960 we've said multiple times

00:33:39.860 this is a deeply talented

00:33:40.820 guy he's obviously going to

00:33:42.120 land on his feet he's going

00:33:43.240 to command a lot of

00:33:45.240 attention wherever he goes

00:33:46.660 and I even if he doesn't

00:33:49.280 have the kind of platform he

00:33:50.220 had on Fox News I think

00:33:51.760 Tucker's going to continue to

00:33:52.860 drive news cycles I think

00:33:54.200 he's going to continue to

00:33:55.120 have a very big impact and I

00:33:57.720 think everyone's just kind of

00:33:58.900 going to be looking to see

00:33:59.880 what he does next but in

00:34:01.440 the meantime obviously

00:34:03.040 pretty pretty big deal

00:34:05.400 that said we've had some

00:34:07.300 other shank ups in the

00:34:08.620 media sphere this week

00:34:10.180 anyone want to hit anything

00:34:11.060 on Tucker Carlson before we

00:34:12.660 go do we get to

00:34:13.240 everything I was just going

00:34:14.680 to say that his whatever he

00:34:16.060 does next he will have to

00:34:17.700 either build an entire

00:34:19.100 infrastructure not just his

00:34:21.000 production infrastructure but

00:34:22.460 also the legal infrastructure

00:34:23.740 that Fox News represented

00:34:24.840 Fox was able to take care of a

00:34:26.700 huge brunt of that Dominion

00:34:28.400 suit whereas either Tucker

00:34:30.600 would have to take that on

00:34:31.380 or whatever company he goes

00:34:32.400 to now so it as as Matt was

00:34:35.320 saying it will whatever he

00:34:37.140 does next it will take a long

00:34:38.420 time or or he'll have to join

00:34:40.160 something that is already big

00:34:41.180 enough to take that amount of

00:34:42.900 freight at one time yeah no

00:34:45.080 that's a really important point

00:34:46.400 a lot of people don't think

00:34:47.600 about it we just kind of see

00:34:48.700 the you know we just kind of see

00:34:50.660 the show and talk about the

00:34:52.040 the points brought up but you

00:34:53.740 know today's news business and

00:34:55.880 especially when you're pushing

00:34:56.800 the limit like Tucker is is

00:34:59.560 definitely a legal battle as

00:35:00.820 well and so having the ability

00:35:03.200 to kind of fight that on all

00:35:04.640 fronts when you don't have a

00:35:05.820 Fox News a kind of behemoth that

00:35:08.760 can kind of deliver that service

00:35:10.620 for you is certainly something

00:35:11.620 that's going to factor in as

00:35:13.480 well but that said let's talk

00:35:16.040 about what this stream was

00:35:17.680 supposed to be about originally

00:35:18.980 before everything got thrown

00:35:21.140 into chaos here I wanted to talk

00:35:22.980 to you guys about kind of the

00:35:25.000 Twitter blue check purge we had

00:35:27.480 a really interesting cycle

00:35:28.840 happened there with Elon obviously

00:35:31.060 he was messing with journalists

00:35:34.200 which is the most valuable thing

00:35:35.540 Elon Musk does it's love him for

00:35:37.560 that you know and when he whenever

00:35:40.360 he's destroying a journalist day

00:35:41.720 that that really makes mine and you

00:35:44.200 know he was labeling things like

00:35:45.880 NPR state media which beautiful

00:35:49.180 chef's kiss right just you know

00:35:52.120 amazing trolling Elon well done and

00:35:54.480 he was doing the same thing to

00:35:55.380 believe I believe like the

00:35:56.160 Canadian broadcast network and

00:35:58.040 like he's just wrecking all these

00:36:00.020 libs days they're losing their

00:36:01.220 mind they're giving speeches about

00:36:03.440 how important they are and how

00:36:05.300 they matter and you know I got to

00:36:07.140 leave the platform because you know

00:36:09.100 is you know labeling of what they

00:36:11.600 are and then he followed up by

00:36:14.380 removing legacy blue checks now

00:36:16.300 that's something he's been

00:36:17.220 promising to do for a long time

00:36:20.140 everyone kind of knew that was

00:36:22.020 coming it was weird that it made I

00:36:24.400 think as much waves as it did when

00:36:25.700 it happened but kind of all these

00:36:27.480 celebrities and all these CNN

00:36:29.340 anchors woke up and their their

00:36:31.180 precious mark of the beast was gone

00:36:32.860 there was nothing to tell them that

00:36:34.680 they had that they had prayed to the

00:36:36.360 cloven hoof and that they were you

00:36:38.100 know they made the correct sacrifices

00:36:40.120 and they were now one of the

00:36:41.420 initiated and that really just

00:36:43.780 destroyed a lot of them we had a lot

00:36:45.320 of people you know taking to Twitter

00:36:46.780 and complaining about how this is the

00:36:48.620 end of the credibility of Twitter

00:36:50.140 with some people even going as far

00:36:51.620 as saying people are going to die

00:36:53.160 from this because that you know the

00:36:54.760 the the no one will be able to

00:36:57.020 impersonate people and you know

00:36:58.880 everyone will lose their mind and no

00:37:00.180 one has any idea now the great thing

00:37:01.840 is that of course the blue check was

00:37:03.040 originally supposed to be a mark of

00:37:07.500 just it was just supposed to be

00:37:09.840 technical functional right like this

00:37:11.620 is the real person they really exist

00:37:13.440 we verified who they are so no one

00:37:15.700 else can make a fake account about

00:37:17.000 them but the blue check became a

00:37:18.760 completely political thing many

00:37:20.160 people who were known to be verified

00:37:22.060 people who were known to be the

00:37:24.760 actual person were just stripped of

00:37:26.320 their blue checks for perfect

00:37:27.340 completely ideological reasons and

00:37:30.500 later it came out that actually blue

00:37:32.740 checks were so politicized and so

00:37:34.920 arbitrary that some companies were

00:37:36.940 paying you know just bribing techs at

00:37:39.520 Twitter like Twitter personnel like in

00:37:41.300 some cases like 15 grand to give them a

00:37:43.580 blue check so they could you know

00:37:46.260 operate with legitimacy and now it's

00:37:48.840 just something you get for eight

00:37:49.840 bucks you know and so it just destroyed

00:37:51.700 the media hierarchy but now we've had

00:37:55.840 kind of this weird reversal and all of

00:37:57.480 a sudden the blue checks are starting

00:37:59.320 to show back up and the labels have

00:38:02.020 been stripped off in PR and I'm not

00:38:04.460 really sure what to think here because

00:38:06.480 like Elon basically said like basically I'm

00:38:09.880 paying for all these blue checks now

00:38:11.440 which means like no you're not like

00:38:13.720 you're just you're just giving these

00:38:15.200 things back to everybody and kind of it

00:38:17.480 feels like you're caving on all this

00:38:18.600 stuff what do we think about the mix up

00:38:20.280 of this Prudentialist like why why do

00:38:23.080 we go through this cycle did he just

00:38:24.360 cave immediately was this always the

00:38:25.760 plan we just want to troll him for a

00:38:27.460 few days what's going on here well I

00:38:29.620 think for for starters I think he

00:38:31.540 realized well if I take them away right

00:38:33.360 the the validation issue definitely

00:38:35.720 becomes a problem because there were

00:38:37.800 numerous tweets and accounts saying you

00:38:40.260 know actually were the ones that had

00:38:42.020 their blue check marks taken away

00:38:43.120 were saying like don't listen to

00:38:44.240 anybody else like we're still the

00:38:45.720 official you know government of New

00:38:47.740 York City you know Twitter account and

00:38:49.740 then there'd be like three others with

00:38:50.940 the same profile picture and a similar

00:38:52.320 handle saying no so I'd imagine that

00:38:55.580 there was like oh well I should

00:38:57.660 probably cover my rear end and make

00:38:59.440 sure that the official government

00:39:01.100 Twitter accounts are given back their

00:39:03.380 their way to do it I mean I see them

00:39:04.860 all over now but I'm you know I think

00:39:07.060 that's the most likely answer in the

00:39:09.460 realistic one I mean was it fun to mess

00:39:11.900 with a bunch of journos heads for like

00:39:13.480 24 hours absolutely is it great to say

00:39:15.680 that the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

00:39:17.820 is 69 percent government funded

00:39:19.940 absolutely but I think Tucker Carlson

00:39:22.760 real or Elon Musk realizing that oh I'm

00:39:26.140 in charge of one of the most important

00:39:27.460 like public platforms in the world and

00:39:29.480 that people should know where their

00:39:30.580 government is is tweeting in case a

00:39:32.960 parody account is telling them to you

00:39:34.760 know duck and cover I should probably

00:39:36.120 do something so I think the rapid

00:39:38.380 turnaround was to give them back

00:39:41.080 although it has been nice to see all

00:39:43.440 of these legacy journalists say well

00:39:46.120 I'm not paying eight dollars a month

00:39:47.740 but this blue check mark says I'm

00:39:49.180 paying eight dollars a month so no one's

00:39:50.840 ever happy and if that means

00:39:52.500 journalists aren't happy then that

00:39:53.880 works for me

00:39:54.540 fair enough yeah way do you think it

00:39:56.760 was restored because everyone was

00:39:58.000 worried you know Chris Chan 420 was

00:39:59.980 impersonated in the New York Times

00:40:01.260 what's going on

00:40:02.040 yeah I mean so it is odd that if if it

00:40:05.800 is that Elon hadn't thought about

00:40:07.640 several things then he really is sort

00:40:09.460 of flying by the seat of his pants

00:40:10.400 because he he was originally supposed

00:40:11.940 to do it on April 1st that was going

00:40:14.340 to be the big day and then he moved it

00:40:16.180 to 420

00:40:17.040 and then after that that was when it

00:40:21.500 actually ended up happening but from

00:40:23.120 what I understand the ones the the blue

00:40:25.580 checks so the ones for celebrities were

00:40:27.500 returned to their accounts if they had

00:40:29.620 if they had over a million followers

00:40:31.620 so I there were there were a bunch of

00:40:34.700 verified legacy verified things but

00:40:36.880 that weren't over the million but yeah

00:40:39.280 the blue check now just means yeah you

00:40:42.160 can't click on it to tell what it means

00:40:43.720 anymore but it's bizarre the one I I

00:40:47.420 think the only person I saw who said

00:40:48.980 that he was leaving Twitter because of

00:40:51.100 his blue check being removed was George

00:40:53.420 from Seinfeld and he is he said that he

00:40:57.020 was going to go to a first Instagram

00:41:00.380 which has its own fifteen dollars a

00:41:03.060 month verified badge that they rolled

00:41:05.520 out last month and then another one

00:41:07.580 called spoutable so that was his his

00:41:10.240 refuge but anyway it's not going to run

00:41:14.340 to Mastodon and hang out with all the

00:41:17.440 other cool journos and you know probably

00:41:19.360 cat boys yeah well I I decided that I was

00:41:21.860 going to go over to spoutable because I

00:41:24.100 had not heard of spoutable before but I

00:41:27.200 did create an account I I did it under

00:41:30.380 my own name which was a mistake but I

00:41:32.900 decided that the only person I'm

00:41:34.280 following on spoutable is Jason

00:41:35.880 Alexander George from Seinfeld and I

00:41:38.200 actually decided that I was going to go

00:41:40.320 and message him just to see what his

00:41:42.820 favorite so first I buttered him up

00:41:44.380 about his podcast I haven't listened to

00:41:45.820 and then I asked and then I asked him

00:41:49.260 what his favorite part of spoutable was

00:41:50.820 so far and he told me it was the calm and

00:41:53.380 decency so that's my official reporting

00:41:56.360 I know this is a journalistic show so I

00:41:57.920 want to bring I appreciate original yeah

00:41:59.840 bring an exclusive you have George from

00:42:03.200 Seinfeld's reason for going to spoutable

00:42:04.880 yeah I should have asked him if he had

00:42:06.660 eight bucks a month I think that but but

00:42:10.480 yeah no it is funny that in the face of

00:42:12.540 you know this freak out came in the face

00:42:14.300 of other platforms basically adopting the

00:42:17.600 Twitter model so you know we've had to

00:42:19.600 hear kind of endlessly about the dangers

00:42:22.040 of of Elon Musk and the dangers of this

00:42:25.280 system also I feel like they had a

00:42:27.520 solution to this which was the like the

00:42:29.420 yellow and gray check marks right like

00:42:31.340 there was going to be these different

00:42:33.000 check marks for different reasons and

00:42:35.860 yeah that's a confusing system like it

00:42:38.260 but whatever like it kind of solved the

00:42:40.340 problem so it's kind of weird to me that

00:42:42.640 that he needed to shake things up this

00:42:45.220 way but it was rather amusing like you

00:42:47.060 said anytime a journo is is sad it makes

00:42:50.340 all of us it makes the world a better

00:42:52.220 place and so you know it's it's good to

00:42:54.840 see that at the end of the day I think I

00:42:56.640 think it was very valuable though a little

00:42:58.220 disappointing I wish would have stuck to

00:43:00.200 his guns there on that one but but at

00:43:03.220 least a couple a couple days of chaos is

00:43:05.460 is worth it he also tweeted out very

00:43:10.560 interestingly demographics is destiny and I

00:43:15.040 mean that's a weekend but I just I got to

00:43:21.580 ask what what do you think Elon is about

00:43:27.000 there like it's it's I don't mean that

00:43:29.960 particular phraseology we don't have to

00:43:31.680 dive into that but what I mean is his his

00:43:34.920 interactions with Twitter obviously it felt

00:43:37.760 like initially he was making a buy to own a

00:43:41.240 piece of power right like you you you grab

00:43:44.420 the command control center from people who

00:43:47.220 disagree with you Elon's not traditional

00:43:49.300 conservative he's not somebody who's super

00:43:51.780 right-wing I don't know that he listened to

00:43:53.340 a lot of Rush Limbaugh but he obviously

00:43:56.340 disagrees with the regime in pretty

00:43:57.840 significant ways and he felt like he was

00:44:00.720 buying it to kind of mess with the flow of

00:44:04.740 information and have a have a kind of thumb on

00:44:07.620 the scale in when it came to the distribution

00:44:11.240 of information but then it also seemed like

00:44:13.480 he was making decisions very much based on

00:44:16.500 profit for profitability now obviously your

00:44:18.780 business man you got to do both right like

00:44:20.620 you you can't just buy something

00:44:22.420 ideologically to some extent though it sure

00:44:24.680 would be nice if you know conservative

00:44:26.840 quote-unquote billionaires would get around

00:44:28.960 to like doing what the the left does and

00:44:31.060 they just kind of sponsor people like they

00:44:33.180 don't care if the New York Times turns a

00:44:34.940 profit they understand like the mind control

00:44:36.780 device is way more valuable than the balance

00:44:39.320 sheet but but you get at some level that

00:44:42.240 he's kind of working for the profit motive

00:44:45.800 but what do you think his end game is with

00:44:49.460 the ownership of Twitter do you think that

00:44:51.760 it's purely ideological do you think that

00:44:53.940 he does think he can turn this around and

00:44:55.980 turn it turn it into the everything app that

00:44:58.280 he's talked about many times or is this kind

00:45:01.520 of a distraction I mean it's a very expensive

00:45:04.040 distraction if it is one but it but is he's

00:45:06.800 just the kind of guy that will buy into

00:45:08.720 something crazy and see what he can do with

00:45:10.940 it do with it knowing that eventually he can

00:45:12.680 probably unload it if he really needs to

00:45:14.600 well he certainly knows that that's where

00:45:17.380 narratives get formed and so I mean we've I

00:45:20.620 think you've talked before about the the

00:45:23.220 insurrection day about how that narrative

00:45:25.520 was sort of formed we watched it be formed

00:45:29.780 while we were watching the story and that was

00:45:31.980 mainly being formed on Twitter and the official

00:45:35.920 narrative took shape very quickly whereas I

00:45:38.680 think that if if there is a leveling out of the

00:45:42.020 blue check people then the the narrative you know

00:45:46.920 it could it could you know flatten out some of

00:45:49.460 that or at least allow there to be some some

00:45:52.160 competition back to the marketplace of ideas but

00:45:55.800 but yeah I think that he he does come across as a

00:45:59.960 guy who just really has fun with it and he knows

00:46:03.540 that Twitter is one of the most fun social media

00:46:06.540 platforms there's not if he were to have bought

00:46:09.140 you know he may he may have not had the budget to

00:46:11.400 buy some of these other ones but he did buy the

00:46:14.040 most fun platform and the one that he is he's best at I

00:46:17.760 mean he's he's sort of a dork but he also is is you

00:46:21.520 know has a lot of fun there I think owning his

00:46:24.040 distraction or owning owning the thing that he

00:46:26.760 does for fun and being able to play around with

00:46:29.300 it yeah even that for a few days being able to have

00:46:33.660 put up the state sponsored media on NPR or the 69%

00:46:38.560 thing on the CBC I I yeah I think at some level he's

00:46:43.220 just playing around and that is maybe enough of a

00:46:48.600 motive yeah I mean I think that he's having fun with

00:46:53.420 it alongside I mean he's also he's had fun with it

00:46:56.200 but he's also trying to fend off the platform from

00:46:59.040 those that are trying to leech off of it I mean there

00:47:02.100 was a big back and forth with substack a couple of

00:47:05.380 weeks ago because they're trying to do their substack

00:47:07.480 notes which looks like a Twitter clone and there was you

00:47:10.200 know trying to throttle them for a little bit as sort of a

00:47:12.940 retaliation for that we had the lovely little blue you

00:47:16.780 know bird logo be changed to a doge for a little bit I

00:47:20.240 hope you pumped your your doge coin for the like week or

00:47:23.560 so that it was on you know get your money in real quick and

00:47:27.280 so I think on one hand he's definitely aware of the power

00:47:30.000 that this platform has and he's also a master of you know

00:47:34.260 media manipulation anytime that there's a lawsuit or

00:47:37.460 something going on about Tesla or SpaceX he knows to sort of

00:47:41.820 tweet out something meme-y or to make an appearance

00:47:43.940 somewhere and to utilize his sort of celebrity as a way to

00:47:48.400 shape the narrative for him and I think that he understood it a

00:47:52.300 lot in the same way that Donald Trump understood it that

00:47:54.660 if you can get ahead of what the mainstream press says about

00:47:57.380 you by setting the agenda yourself then they have to respond

00:48:01.000 to you not you responding to the press and that's a great way

00:48:04.100 to level the power you know disadvantage with respects to the

00:48:07.760 media or the government because they're talking about you not

00:48:11.340 about what some reporter in the Washington Post had said and I

00:48:14.440 mean he's a man that looks at the world and recognizes that

00:48:18.980 no actually you know we're going to run out of people

00:48:22.680 eventually I mean his demographics his destiny thing is

00:48:25.420 is almost the same thing as empty planet a book written in

00:48:28.920 2019 about population decline so he I think he knows what he's

00:48:33.300 doing to some extent I mean you don't get as far as you are

00:48:35.880 without that but I think that he also recognizes oh this is one of

00:48:39.800 my ventures that isn't heavily subsidized by the American

00:48:43.000 government so maybe I should make this a profitable business I

00:48:46.820 think actually having someone pay a subscription service for

00:48:49.620 your blue check eight dollars a month isn't a half bad start

00:48:52.340 because it's a great way to take away the power from those who

00:48:56.480 had legacy blue checks and now some reply guy with 200 followers

00:49:00.580 can have a blue check and it makes me do a double take when I

00:49:03.480 check my notifications it's almost made the platform a little

00:49:06.400 more fun yeah I I'm still I have a moral quandary you know I feel

00:49:12.500 in my heart that the blue check is is evil and I've always arrayed

00:49:16.840 myself as as one as you know I'm assailing the blue check you know

00:49:20.680 it's it's the other team but now it's all inverted it doesn't mean

00:49:25.180 anything anymore and you know my my own moral you know dichotomy is

00:49:29.480 thrown into chaos I don't I don't know how to feel to you know now that the

00:49:33.600 journalists hate the blue check do I buy the blue check or now or does

00:49:37.900 that mean I'm accepting the regime as it's you know it's utter chaos so if

00:49:42.300 that's what he's looking for he's been very successful I don't know how to

00:49:45.220 respond to the blue check anymore so yeah it could be just picking up

00:49:48.540 Goliath's sword you know just getting that who knows exactly yeah um but we'll

00:49:54.180 see I've got the eight bucks a month that's not the problem I just I have the

00:49:57.280 moral quandary of uh you know of of how to approach the blue the question of the

00:50:01.580 blue check it's fair um but that said uh let's let's go to our last story I

00:50:06.380 wanted to get to before uh we kind of move on to the super chats here uh the

00:50:10.820 biden administration uh announced a very interesting plan uh last week one in a

00:50:17.060 long list of uh of very interesting plans which uh seems to destroy our country uh

00:50:24.440 seems seems purpose-built for that uh for that reason uh they decided that they're

00:50:29.080 going to charge people with good credit scores more for their mortgages so that

00:50:36.040 they can subsidize the mortgages of people who cannot afford one now there's a lot of

00:50:41.980 interesting aspects to this first off of course we've already done this before

00:50:47.680 we've already seen this movie we've already caused a financial collapse this

00:50:51.880 way so I guess you know let's let's start there uh Wade why would we do

00:50:58.180 something that is an exact almost an exact copy of the way we collapsed the

00:51:03.220 economy last time what what what's the driving decision making you know frame

00:51:08.260 there yeah well the I I guess it's because everybody watched the big short and

00:51:12.580 didn't uh look at what the big short was responding to no it's yeah it's it's a like

00:51:17.080 what they were what what they were trying to distract from they believe that whole

00:51:20.260 thing yeah no you're right we we have seen this movie it was directed by Adam McKay and

00:51:24.420 uh no we're all there there really is no if if you are operating we talked about Tucker

00:51:31.460 Carlson earlier operating under the assumption that here we are just you you have this plan

00:51:36.340 to attain this goal I have a different plan to attain the same goal it's going to be faster

00:51:40.340 it's going to whereas this is another uh if if it really is about just picking which

00:51:47.900 idea gets us to the best goal faster no these are just two diametrically opposed visions for

00:51:53.340 what we are what we ought to be doing um and that's the only explanation yeah I mean this is

00:52:00.600 sort of your classic uh Bertrand de Juvenel example of high low middle and so if me at the top of the

00:52:06.760 government is going to tell those that have made poor financial decisions and uh that they're looking

00:52:11.860 for a way to do it and you're going to tell me that you're going to pass the buck onto the guy that's

00:52:16.100 you know got everything that I covet then yeah I'm going to make him pay for it and enjoy it so I

00:52:20.580 mean they're they're sort of targeting that upper middle class that will that is struggling for a

00:52:26.740 home and because their credit is good and they saved up money and already home prices are astoundingly

00:52:32.260 high I mean it's putting a squeeze on those that have tried to do it the correct way or the way that

00:52:37.940 we're told is the correct way and now that you're providing an incentive to say to those hey those of

00:52:43.800 you who can't afford this you know we'll we'll cut you some slack at the cost of the other guy

00:52:47.740 and um I mean unlike in you know now we're just really creating more incentives to take riskier

00:52:54.160 mortgages and it's almost yeah it's almost as if we haven't learned our lesson the last several times

00:52:59.160 we've had a a housing bubble or a housing crunch but it's uh it's it's you know it's malice it's it's

00:53:04.900 planned malice for those of their enemies and to reward those that they know will vote for them

00:53:09.300 anyways as long as you keep the stream of financial incentives to do so and what better incentive

00:53:14.740 than to to have a home or to crash somewhere and to afford a place and you know that's what everyone

00:53:20.080 wants right is a home for themselves and a little bit of land and they're definitely providing a way

00:53:25.580 to reward their their patronage network and even if it's not you know legal or whatnot they will

00:53:32.020 probably do as we've seen other times manipulate you know rules definitions and resources to to get what

00:53:39.060 they want yeah I was gonna say the the learning the lesson isn't even the thing I think it does has

00:53:46.000 to be malice like like like I get that at this point we have pregnant men you know and so like

00:53:53.440 logic goes out the window I I understand the realm the clown world is is where we're at permanently at

00:53:59.680 this point but you know that if you keep giving people mortgages who can't afford the mortgages

00:54:09.140 your financial system will collapse and you know that because it literally just happened like it's

00:54:15.300 it's not that far in the past so it's it's not a speculation it's not like a I wonder if like

00:54:22.060 we're really in the point where the engineers are building roads and bridges by believing that two

00:54:29.460 plus two is five like you know it can't work you know it won't work do you you you don't have some

00:54:35.820 far in the past example you have an a an example that was like you know 14 years ago at this point

00:54:41.600 like and and we're just like yeah let's just run directly into this buzzsaw because yeah and I think

00:54:49.580 this is why again it's probably why Tucker Carlson doesn't have a show anymore uh he he said the

00:54:54.840 the quiet part out loud on Friday which was pretty gutsy of him when he was talking about this he said

00:55:02.040 uh we know that for whatever reason the reflection of credit scores is reflective of race that people

00:55:11.140 with different credit scores tend to cluster around different groups in society and this is a direct

00:55:18.000 attack on suburbs this is a direct attack on breaking up what are largely white middle class

00:55:25.360 suburbs that reliably vote republican and making sure that they don't build any you know they don't vote

00:55:32.320 republican anymore it's about breaking the voting block and making sure that those are no longer solid

00:55:38.140 voting blocks that the right or the GOP can rely on and that really helps you fill in the gaps when

00:55:45.420 you're trying to understand the financial motive what you know why would we run back into this you

00:55:50.940 know house on fire that we already know is a disaster well the answer is because it ensures the political

00:55:57.900 outcomes they want long term it's not about the profit it's not about that it's about making sure

00:56:03.420 that you destroy neighborhoods and you destroy communities that were voting the wrong way and that's a big part of

00:56:10.780 the incentive behind it and and if someone owns land they're much more likely to be attached to

00:56:16.140 something and if it's and it's difficult to rule somebody it's difficult to grab somebody and change

00:56:20.540 somebody's loyalties if they're loyal to a particular piece of ground where their family lives where their

00:56:25.740 kids play uh whereas if if they're not if they're if they're sort of um if they're living in a rented

00:56:32.460 place that isn't theirs then their name isn't on anything uh except a rental agreement then yeah they're they

00:56:37.660 they are it's just one more way that you can be distanced from even the place where you live or

00:56:43.820 distanced even from the people who live around you um owning something owning a piece of land owning a

00:56:49.340 house is a way to build community because you are all this this piece of ground is split between a

00:56:55.180 bunch of people who see each other every day um and not owned by one large corporation or loaned by a

00:57:01.260 a company that then a bunch of people are also paying money to um it's it it makes sense that

00:57:07.740 it is a deracinating force as well yeah that's exactly right i mean sam francis actually specifically

00:57:14.460 talks about the need to destroy hard property and we can see this from elites uh global elites like

00:57:20.780 the world economic forum you'll own nothing and you'll be happy right like the the whole point is

00:57:25.500 that if you're if there's never any of your own if you don't own anything on your own you're always

00:57:30.940 dependent on the system for every single interaction of every day it can maximize the amount of power

00:57:36.060 that the leviathan has over you and any any situation where you own your own car or your own your own home

00:57:43.420 or you build a neighborhood and a culture you know with your neighbors and you understand each other and

00:57:48.460 you create community organizations that mean that you don't immediately have to run to the government for

00:57:52.540 everything that limits the power of the regime and what they can force people to do and what they can

00:57:56.700 leverage against each other so the the property destruction is a big part of it the neighborhood

00:58:01.180 destruction is a big part of it the manipulation of electoral outcomes is a big part of it and when

00:58:06.140 you understand that then you know taking the economy one more time to make sure that you stay in power

00:58:11.660 in perpetuity maybe that's not such a bad trade yeah i mean if you own nothing then by extension of that

00:58:17.820 logic you are owned and at this point i really think you need another sign to tap or something

00:58:23.180 saying like it's not rocket science they just hate civilization um because that's what they're after

00:58:28.860 at this point if you don't have a connection of the land if you don't have children if you don't have

00:58:34.300 an ownership or something that says i can stand up on my own two feet i don't need you then

00:58:39.420 for all intents and purposes they they want you enslaved i mean i think a good description of all

00:58:43.980 of this from what i've seen electorally is that they don't you know they'll settle for you living

00:58:48.460 like a republican in california where you're there and you can wind up a fuss all you want but you're

00:58:54.300 never going to get anything done because you don't have the ability to win elections anymore that

00:58:58.780 they'll do that by any means necessary so if that means we're going to tank the economy and drag the

00:59:03.100 world into global recession so we can last another election cycle or another 10 15 20 years then so be it

00:59:10.220 because you know there's like we talked about the last time i was on orm right before the midterms they

00:59:14.780 were like yeah we want like these lgbt alphabet people to be the one in five of the next voting

00:59:21.100 block by 2040 which is a demographically unsustainable number but if it means that they

00:59:26.540 can hold on to power that much longer they will you know inject snip cut do whatever they need to do

00:59:32.940 uh make it happen yep absolutely all right guys well we're going to pivot to the questions of the

00:59:38.460 people here in just a second but before we do wade can you let everybody know where to find

00:59:42.780 your excellent work well thank you so much i'm glad i'm glad you like it it's um so the wade show with

00:59:48.220 wade is the name of the show and if you just search that on youtube uh you should be able to find it

00:59:51.900 wade show should also pull it up uh also you can follow me on twitter at wade stats um but yeah i put

00:59:57.340 out a weekly news monologue it's sort of like daily show meets right wing blank posting um but i i really

01:00:04.460 enjoy it so it's a ton of fun and uh a great way i i just it's basically a news roundup running

01:00:09.260 through the headlines uh sort of eight to ten minutes uh at a time excellent and i'm sure

01:00:14.540 everyone is following the prudentialist in every way that they can but if they have somehow made the

01:00:18.460 mistake to not do so can you let them know where they can sir sure you can find me on twitter youtube

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01:00:35.420 there and i will happily endorse uh the wade show with wade i've watched quite a few of the episodes

01:00:41.020 now they're quite good um it's everything that you know john stewart and them wish they could be

01:00:45.980 which is actually funny yeah it's you know not to slight your show at all but it's not hard to

01:00:51.740 outperform john stewart at this point i understand i guess but assuming that he's at his peak you could

01:00:57.660 still beat him you know so if he if he somehow got himself back into fighting uh shape i'd still i

01:01:03.340 still i'd still bet on you but uh but right now he's a desiccated husk of a of a host so it's it's

01:01:10.700 yeah it's more it's more like you're beating up on somebody in a walker but you know i'm walking away

01:01:15.020 i'm walking away with a compliment i'm i'm calling all of that all of that one big compliment

01:01:19.660 uh let's go with skeptical panda here for five dollars uh compliments to the prudentialist on

01:01:27.660 his outfit looking very dapper sir i'll offer a solidarity bit for tucker carlson getting fired

01:01:35.020 we have to go back to our roots well you would have uh you you would have been wearing the the

01:01:39.580 suit no matter what you suit mog me every every episode uh that we do together but uh but the the

01:01:45.980 uh bow tie is a very nice touch it really sets off the whole uh the whole thing thank you and then

01:01:51.820 we have uh paladin yyz for 25 dollars thank you very much sir uh you're so damn smart or and i'm

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01:02:29.820 as well all right let's see i think we got everybody there all right guys i really enjoyed the show thank

01:02:36.860 you so much for uh coming on we had a huge crowd uh it's great uh to see everyone prudential is amazing

01:02:43.100 as always uh and of course wade great to have you on really love the show everybody make sure you check

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - April 24, 2023

Twitter Blue-Check Purge and Tucker Carlson Leaves Fox ｜ Guests： Wade Stotts and the Prudentialist ｜ 4⧸24⧸23

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