The Auron MacIntyre Show - UBI Is a Dangerous Delusion ｜ 4⧸22⧸26

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I am Oren McIntyre.

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00:00:39.440 and use the promo code lab leak to get that $40 off. All right, guys. So it has been a wild day

00:00:48.600 for news. Just in the last day, we've had all kinds of revelations. The SPLC is being indicted

00:00:56.420 by the Trump administration. I'll get to more of that in a second. We also see a disastrous

00:01:01.960 election in Virginia and its results ultimately now a huge shift in the way that state is

00:01:09.060 redistricted. And most of it comes from the fact that the Republicans are just too weak to get

00:01:14.400 things done. And finally, we'll talk about universal basic income. This keeps coming up

00:01:20.040 more and more with the AI discussion becoming dominant. We have a strange number of people

00:01:26.020 pushing this from full on socialists to kind of traditional libertarians to like these tech

00:01:32.660 oligarchs. For some reason, they've all come to this understanding that a universal basic income

00:01:38.000 would somehow be good for America. Why are all these groups coming to that realization? I'll

00:01:43.540 talk about that more in a second, but let's touch on the breaking news first. So we just learned

00:01:50.960 that the trump administration is bringing charges against the southern poverty law center now in

00:01:58.720 case you've been living under a rock for a long time the southern poverty law center is one of

00:02:03.880 these organizations who kind of bills itself as like an aclu they're out there fighting for civil

00:02:09.940 rights uh you know we're just we're just protecting the rights of the innocent and you know making

00:02:14.700 sure that everyone gets a fair day in court and all those things it turns out in reality however

00:02:19.920 the SPLC is basically just an arm of the progressive army it is a node in the cathedral

00:02:26.220 the complex system of networked uh different organizations from government NGO media

00:02:34.020 organizations education the SPLC is one of these that is critical to the function of progressivism

00:02:42.300 in the United States we've known that for a long time like it's very clear that SPLC's uh you know

00:02:49.020 mission statement is nothing but a fig leaf for them to be kind of this active uh player in

00:02:54.480 progressive politics uh they all of their investigations go one way all of their pressure

00:02:59.580 goes one way they're constantly attacking republicans but more importantly one of the

00:03:04.400 things that the splc did on a regular basis was aggregate different ways in which you could attack

00:03:12.780 harass and locate uh people on the right and it didn't matter who you are you could have been the

00:03:17.880 most radical guy in some crazy organization, or you could have just been some member of the Trump 0.92

00:03:23.040 administration. It didn't matter. They were listing your home state. They were listing what you were

00:03:27.840 doing. They wanted to make sure that Antifa members, political activists, people who wanted

00:03:33.100 to hurt you, wanted to harass you, wanted to dox you, they could find you. The SPLC has done this

00:03:38.640 on a regular basis. All kinds of people who you would think of as very normal are on their website.

00:03:43.340 people like matt walsh are warned about on their website i'm on their website for interviewing

00:03:48.560 people like andrew kloster who used to be part of the administration and so it's very clear that

00:03:53.280 they're not selective they're not just looking for extremists they have mainstream personalities on

00:03:58.340 there along with trying to ruin the lives of average people who just happen to be involved in

00:04:03.660 you know political activism on the right there are plenty of people who are not doing anything wrong

00:04:08.480 not doing anything crazy, and are still targeted by the SPLC. Well, it turns out from this

00:04:17.020 indictment from the Trump administration that allegedly these people have been funding the

00:04:23.220 very organizations they claim to work out against. We saw, for instance, a $270,000 payment

00:04:31.120 to someone who was involved with the Unite the Right rally in Virginia, one that has been used

00:04:37.740 regularly to call for attacks on conservatives, cracking down on conservatives. But of course,

00:04:43.240 it's much worse. The SPLC is intimately tied to organizations like the FBI. It trains local law

00:04:50.140 enforcement and forms hatefulness discussions for all kinds of government and non-government

00:04:57.160 entities. The SPLC is a hub to which all these other corporations and government organizations,

00:05:04.280 armed people are plugged in and so there's all kinds of further questions because the SPLC

00:05:10.140 was sending money to leaders of the Ku Klux Klan to Aryan Brotherhood so how much of this stuff

00:05:18.160 was propped up what percentage of this was entirely run by places like the SPLC was the

00:05:23.900 SPLC a government cutout was was with their close ties to organizations like the FBI were these

00:05:30.760 people ultimately acting as some kind of proxy for the fbi to have plausible deniability as it

00:05:36.820 funded much of the extremism it claimed to be fighting uh is this the genesis for uh many

00:05:45.160 different uh narratives about conservatives being attacked we know that ultimately the splc was

00:05:51.800 involved in you know ceding the idea to people like the fbi that uh you know white nationalism

00:05:58.200 or you know the the some some form of terrorism like this was the main domestic threat in the

00:06:03.780 united states well obviously that cannot be true if they had to literally go out and fund it to

00:06:09.680 create it so we have the scenario where the splc uh could be intimately involved in funding the

00:06:19.300 very organizations that it is going after and using the government to then go after less dangerous

00:06:25.920 less important conservatives under this guise that, well, oh, you know, it's conservatives in

00:06:31.340 general that are dangerous and we have to stop them, right? So all of these are huge factors

00:06:36.820 spinning out of the SPLC charges. It turns out that they also used, again, according to the

00:06:43.340 indictments, shell corporations. So they lied to their donors about what their money was being

00:06:48.740 raised to do. Then they basically laundered that money through shell corporations committing wire

00:06:54.700 fraud again, allegedly, uh, through this whole thing before the money eventually landed in the

00:07:00.320 hands of these different leaders of organizations that you would notice and that the FBI would use

00:07:07.080 as a, uh, as a excuse for going after the right wing in general. Now there's a whole lot more to

00:07:13.580 this. Um, I want to talk about all the tendrils of the SPLC. I want to talk about the attempt now

00:07:21.660 to probably use this narrative to say that there hasn't been a right-wing movement in the United

00:07:27.100 States. I want to talk about the criminal aspects. I want to talk about the cultural aspects,

00:07:31.700 but that's going to be its own show. So I'm just giving you the breaking news right now. I'm

00:07:36.420 already planning a show with Matt Williams, The Prudentialist. That'll probably be out Friday,

00:07:42.980 and we're going to go much more in-depth, but I just wanted to talk about it real quickly,

00:07:46.920 because obviously this is huge news, massive implications. If organizations like the SPLC

00:07:52.500 are doing this, then organizations like ADL very likely could be doing the same thing.

00:07:58.840 How much of the headlines we see in the United States about the dangers of radical right-wing

00:08:05.600 terrorism were entirely fabricated top to bottom by these NGOs? And was it done on behalf of the

00:08:13.580 American government? These are all huge questions. The fact that the Trump administration has made

00:08:18.680 this move is a big deal. I've been very critical of the Trump administration, especially on its

00:08:23.060 foreign policy recently. But as I've said many times, you know, ultimately this is currently

00:08:29.020 the best option you have and they do have, they have achieved good, very important things. And

00:08:34.640 this is one of them. If this is successful, this is a huge deal. So again, we'll talk more in depth

00:08:40.780 on this in Friday's episode, but I just wanted to update you on the basic news on this before

00:08:46.740 we dove into everything else. All right. Now the other big story I wanted to talk to you about

00:08:55.080 before we get to the UBI discussion is the elections in Virginia. So you probably knew

00:09:03.280 that there were some important elections in Virginia recently. Conservatives lost,

00:09:09.980 The Republicans lost a number of seats, and this allowed for a redistricting effort in

00:09:16.300 Virginia.

00:09:17.160 Now, a lot of people have told the Republicans that you can't go around gerrymandering.

00:09:22.960 You can't redistrict things in your favor.

00:09:24.780 That breaks the spirit of democracy.

00:09:26.340 It breaks the spirit of the Constitution.

00:09:28.980 And you have to care about, you know, the norms, the procedures, everything else.

00:09:36.040 You have to be restricted, you know, that you can't behave like Democrats.

00:09:39.980 You can't grab at power. You can't use power to your advantage. It's very important that you

00:09:45.140 maintain the sacred nature of our democratic institutions, elections, all that jazz. Well,

00:09:50.940 guess what? The Democrats said all that too when you were in power, and the minute they get in

00:09:54.860 power, they said, ha ha, just kidding. We own you. And so here's what has happened. So in case you

00:10:02.480 don't know, Virginia only went a little bit for Kamala Harris at the end of the day. I think it 0.99

00:10:08.580 was something like 52-48 or 53-47. Not a squeaker in modern day politics, but it's not some 10-point

00:10:17.000 runaway. Virginia was within striking distance ultimately for Trump. And in addition, it used

00:10:24.840 to be that there are about 11 districts in Virginia, and it was kind of 6-5 liberal, right?

00:10:33.400 So it was the progressives were winning. The Democrats were winning in Virginia, but only really by like one district, only by a little bit in the overall presidential election.

00:10:44.320 So they were winning, but it was not huge. Right. Like, again, once again, just a little bit of victory from the Democrats is all it takes.

00:10:51.460 They're not waiting for a mandate. They're not waiting for a clear signal that this is what the voters want.

00:10:56.080 No, they are saying, we are going to do this and you're going to take it, right? It doesn't matter if we won by an inch or a mile. As soon as we have the power, we are going to go ahead and maximize the distribution of that power as much as possible.

00:11:13.580 We are going to get the most out of attaining that power as we can.

00:11:18.640 And so even though they only won by a few points, and even though Virginia is actually

00:11:23.760 relatively split between the Republicans and the Democrats, once the Democrats had power

00:11:31.020 in the Virginia legislature, they immediately moved to redistrict.

00:11:35.780 The Republicans have refused to do this.

00:11:37.680 They could do this in other states.

00:11:39.160 They won't.

00:11:40.340 And so instead, the Democrats did it.

00:11:42.620 And when they did, here's what happened. Again, the redistricting yes, no vote itself only passed

00:11:49.220 by 1%. It was like 51 to 49. So that's how close all of these elections are. None of this is a

00:11:56.460 mandate. None of this is a show that the left has taken over culturally. It's pretty even as most

00:12:03.140 American politics is. The difference is that the left are not cowards. They are not cowards like

00:12:08.980 the right. They are not cowards who sit around and whine about their principles, whine about their 0.95

00:12:13.540 whatever, whatever. No. When they have power, they use it and they use it to make the next victory 0.67

00:12:19.000 easier. This is the Curtis Yarvin maxim, right? The only purpose of having power is to make

00:12:25.920 getting more power easier. Because once you have all the power, then you can make all the decisions

00:12:30.780 you want. You don't have to worry about your enemy involving themselves. And that's what the

00:12:36.560 Democrats recognize we have a little bit of power. What if we could have all the power by exercising

00:12:41.980 just a little bit that we had? And so they did. And so this is what the districts look like.

00:12:49.200 And then at the bottom, you see, this is what they're going to look like now. So we went from

00:12:54.400 having five Republican districts and six Democratic districts to having one Republican

00:13:02.000 district and nine or sorry uh ten uh democrat districts we went from six versus five to nine

00:13:15.900 or ten versus one that's where we're at right now that's how insane this redistricting has

00:13:23.780 changed the map virginia will basically never elect another republican that's what they've

00:13:31.980 done they've shoved all the republican voters into one district and said okay you get one

00:13:36.860 representative and we get all the rest the end and if you want to understand how radical this

00:13:43.560 redistricting is take a look at this bottom map you'll see that all of these districts have been

00:13:50.080 drawn as skinny as possible down here on the bottom map to get them as close to washington dc

00:13:57.080 as they can because they know that washington dc is where all these people are flowing in that's

00:14:01.960 where all those left-wing votes are coming from the more people you can get from the suburbs

00:14:07.040 surrounding dc into a district the more left-wing it's going to be because all these people are

00:14:13.020 government workers they all want the government to be as big as possible so they can have the

00:14:17.880 most jobs and make the most money in those positions and so you can see that you know

00:14:22.620 district uh 11 and 10 and you know uh 7 and 8 they were the ones that pretty much were drawn

00:14:31.320 around DC previously. Now, 10, 11, 7, 1, 8, all are drawn with these skinny little fingers up

00:14:41.600 towards DC to make them as blue as possible, as blue as possible. So they have completely

00:14:49.040 changed the map. They have completely rewired the map. They have used every trick in the book

00:14:54.240 to gerrymander every district as hard as possible to ensure that the Democrats are going to win

00:15:00.720 every one of those districts every time. And here's the worst part. I know this seems bad,

00:15:05.720 but it's even worse. Turning Point USA presented a plan to the GOP, according to the Charlie Kirk

00:15:15.520 show today. Andrew and Blake Neff were on there talking about it. Turning Point offered a strategy

00:15:25.500 to the GOP to harvest ballots, get people out there, knock on doors, activate Republicans

00:15:32.740 inside the county to stop this. And they wouldn't take it up on them and they wouldn't fund it.

00:15:39.320 They just did not care. They just did not care. The Republican Party was presented with a plan

00:15:45.800 during a election that was going to completely wipe out their ability to be represented

00:15:50.840 in a key swing state and they could not be bothered to implement that plan

00:15:57.860 it's not that there was no plan it's not that no one would come up with a plan

00:16:05.060 it's not that there was no conservative activist organization on the ground

00:16:09.160 it's just that the GOP didn't care and their donors refused to fund it

00:16:15.700 and this comes with a lot of questions at this point what is the purpose of the GOP

00:16:24.500 I'm glad that something like the Trump administration is going after the SPLC

00:16:29.200 that's good but as the Republican Party as a whole what are they doing I just saw Jim Jordan

00:16:36.540 complaining about the SPLC and all these other organizations saying when will something be done

00:16:43.300 i don't know jim jordan you're in congress when will something be done when will congressional

00:16:51.840 republicans do anything you know what the republican house has done in the last few weeks

00:16:58.000 they they managed to help vote for amnesty for haitian immigrants to to extend the protection

00:17:07.440 for Haitian immigrants that's what the GOP has done for me lately that's what the GOP is doing

00:17:15.060 where they pass one spending bill one they got the trifecta they had the mandate they had the

00:17:25.860 house they had the senate they had trump they kind of have the supreme court nothing they've done 1.00

00:17:33.100 nothing they've passed nothing the GOP are cowards useless trash 0.99

00:17:42.660 when I say things like we have to defeat the GOP first this is what I'm talking about I don't mean 1.00

00:17:51.300 like oh go vote for Democrats obviously not that's stupid anyone telling you that is stupid 1.00

00:17:56.760 they're somehow even more anti-white even more open borders even more destructive to 1.00

00:18:03.400 the identity integrity and future of this nation than the republicans

00:18:08.800 but if people don't show up to vote for republicans i can't blame them because this is what we're

00:18:15.900 getting when we do now i guess the people of virginia should have showed up for this election

00:18:20.980 i'll give them that again as terrible as the republicans are at least you don't end up like 0.97

00:18:26.180 this, but the Republicans are terrible. They are lazy. They're not just lazy. They don't care about 1.00

00:18:34.520 you. They don't care about the country. They can't be bothered to win elections, which is literally

00:18:40.040 their only purpose in theory. If the, if the GOP was not a designated loser, a mechanism for

00:18:51.100 containment it would try to win in virginia it would listen when someone comes to them and says

00:18:57.540 by the way we got a plan on how to stop the democrats from taking over this entire state

00:19:03.080 at the very least there would be some kind of reciprocity there would be one red state tomorrow

00:19:10.380 who said guess what we saw what just happened in virginia we're doing the same thing here in this

00:19:15.620 red state there won't be a single blue congressman out of here ever again or there will be one

00:19:20.860 We'll shove them all into one district and we're going to turn the rest of our seats into blood red seats that never change.

00:19:30.960 So there's at least some cost for what Virginia has done here.

00:19:34.760 You want to play hardball?

00:19:36.160 We can play hardball.

00:19:38.420 You'd hope that would be the case.

00:19:40.220 You hope that would be what people would do.

00:19:42.800 If you were a even approaching serious political party, you would obviously take those steps. 1.00

00:19:50.860 and they're just not doing any of it so are the republicans stupid yeah probably are they lazy 1.00

00:19:59.600 yeah probably are they greedy yeah probably more importantly are they cynical and controlled 1.00

00:20:06.960 opposition getting harder to pretend they're not it's getting harder every day to pretend that

00:20:15.360 they're not when something like this happens and nobody cares and no one can be bothered

00:20:20.380 And by the way, I've noticed some individuals who are very big on calling me woke right for saying we had to use power.

00:20:31.080 All of a sudden, they're very, very, very, very angry with what happened in Virginia.

00:20:35.040 Very angry.

00:20:37.360 The same people who have been telling you, no, conservatives can't use power.

00:20:41.660 The right can't use power.

00:20:42.760 We'll be just like the left.

00:20:43.960 You're woke for thinking about that.

00:20:45.620 You're woke for saying it. 1.00

00:20:46.840 those people were cowards and liars they were cowards and liars and now they're sitting around 1.00

00:20:55.780 pretending they couldn't see this coming oh i didn't know what the consequence of not using 1.00

00:21:01.500 power would be this the thing we warned you about the thing we warned you about endlessly and you 1.00

00:21:08.720 insulted us for this is your fault this is your fault because idiotic republicans continue to 1.00

00:21:18.260 listen to you oh we can't use power that's against our principle here's your principle 1.00

00:21:25.100 your principle is unlimited abortion in virginia your principle is open borders your principle

00:21:31.880 is sanctuary states. Your principle is transing your kids. Congratulations. These are your 0.99

00:21:40.420 principles. They're your principles. That's what you want. Because you won't fight for anything

00:21:45.480 else. You will not fight for the future of this country. You will not fight for the protection of

00:21:50.660 children. You will not fight for our borders. You will not fight for deportations. You will

00:21:55.740 not fight for christianity in the public square you can't be bothered because saying oh well at

00:22:03.160 least i i have principles and you're woke that's what you wanted to do with your time so congratulations

00:22:10.780 you earned this this is yours and now i see some of these same people saying oh well i never meant

00:22:19.700 i never meant that we couldn't redistrict it yeah you did yeah you did you liar this is exactly what

00:22:26.460 you meant don't use your power when you have it don't think about power think about sacred

00:22:32.720 democracy and then the minute the left stabs you in the back runs you over just like we screamed

00:22:39.120 from the top of the mountains that they do it's well this isn't what i wanted this isn't what i

00:22:43.860 Yeah, it is. It's 100% what you wanted and it's what you got and you deserve it. And so does anyone who listens to you anymore. The idea that the right should stop using power is dead. Except in the Republican Party. The only people who still believe it are the people who could theoretically wield the power.

00:23:04.980 and they get that continued support for doing nothing from the same people who cook up terms

00:23:14.200 like woke right who push terms like the woke right because the underlying message at every 1.00

00:23:19.900 turn from these idiots has been that power is bad and using power is bad and fighting your enemies 1.00

00:23:26.980 and knowing that they're your enemies and using power to stop them from hurting you is bad and 1.00

00:23:32.560 somehow unprincipled and that idiotic belief has led us to exactly where everyone warned it would go 0.97

00:23:40.460 so i'm glad you guys got had some fun time trolling people on the internet and calling 0.98

00:23:46.300 people funny names because now the real consequences are coming 0.62

00:23:52.260 and as they mutilate children and chop them up in the womb

00:23:58.520 and declare sanctuary cities across the state i want you to remember this is because of you 0.60

00:24:06.500 because you won't stop lying to conservatives to republican politicians you won't stop lying to

00:24:14.820 them and telling them that they don't really have to do anything that they they can just say

00:24:19.160 something about the constitution and move on that actually doing the hard work and taking power

00:24:24.460 and actually extracting a price from people

00:24:27.460 who cheat and lie and hurt our country,

00:24:30.300 that's not the thing to do.

00:24:33.180 No, no, no.

00:24:34.080 We don't do that when we're in power.

00:24:36.240 We sit around in our hands.

00:24:38.340 We talk about small government

00:24:39.940 and then we hand the apparatus of the government

00:24:42.340 back to the very people who are planning our demise

00:24:44.880 and say, oops, what are you going to do?

00:24:47.180 Maybe next time, how about next time we win?

00:24:49.940 And then we use the power 0.89

00:24:50.960 and then we crush these people

00:24:52.580 like they're going to do to us james carville has already made the plan for the democrats clear

00:25:01.140 get into power use every ounce of it to do exactly what is being done in virginia

00:25:05.740 virginia is the game plan the democrats have told you virginia is the game plan 1.00

00:25:11.040 so now cowards liars weak men can you get out of the way can you shut up 1.00

00:25:20.220 you're losers, you're idiots, you're morons. You've destroyed this country. You've abandoned 1.00

00:25:27.540 it to savages so you could feel better about yourself at night. And we do not have time for

00:25:33.800 you. I don't expect you to fight. I don't expect you to win. I don't expect you to do anything

00:25:38.960 because nothing is exactly what you do. But can you at least shut up? Can you at least stop being 0.97

00:25:44.820 subversives? Can you at least stop undermining the attempt to do something real with political

00:25:50.180 power. Because when you do that, when you act like that, we get this. We get this. So I hope

00:26:01.020 you're happy. I hope you're proud of yourselves. But now that we've all seen that your strategy is

00:26:07.880 a losing one and will get us nowhere, can we please, please have you guys shut up and sit

00:26:14.940 in the back of the bus while the people who are serious about saving the country use political

00:26:19.860 power to do so. If I hear a single person telling me about woke rightness and how we have to be

00:26:28.380 worried about Republicans taking power, I'm just going to hit them with every single thing from

00:26:33.480 Virginia. So you're pro-child mutilation. So you're pro-amnesty. So you're pro-sanctuary cities. 0.92

00:26:42.740 So you're pro-making sure that Republicans never get elected again. Okay. I mean,

00:26:49.220 i knew that about you but now i'm glad everybody else does too all right guys sorry get a little

00:26:55.760 hot on that one but uh i think they deserve it all right so now let's talk a little bit about

00:27:02.960 ubi so for those who do not know uh universal basic income is the idea that you pay out everybody

00:27:10.460 uh with some percentage of uh kind of uh government money like you uh would make sure

00:27:17.860 that there's a minimum amount that everybody would receive on a regular basis. And this is

00:27:22.640 like the baseline amount that you would need to live. No one's going to really have to work to

00:27:26.760 live to make money anymore. You just kind of get this handout. Now you might say,

00:27:31.300 Oren, that sounds a lot like communism. Yes, it does. So UBI has been a favorite policy of

00:27:42.400 radical progressives for a long time this has been suggested by guys like andrew yang

00:27:47.260 populist candidates often socialist candidates they love this idea because it's yeah it's just

00:27:52.560 basically communism there's enough surplus uh you know we make enough money we'll just hand out

00:27:57.800 you know a couple grand everybody a month and that's like a basic amount of money everybody

00:28:01.960 gets and that way you know there's only a certain amount of poverty than any given person experience

00:28:06.480 so you say okay well why are we discussing this like niche policy of of communists well because

00:28:12.560 it's not a niche policy of communists anymore so the weird thing is like the number of people who

00:28:17.520 have come out to ultimately lobby for uh ubi so for instance uh the libertarian sociologist charles

00:28:25.500 murray has talked about this now he comes from a different position a different direction which is

00:28:32.320 interesting he is a guy who is relatively famous for iq research he wrote the bell curve along with

00:28:40.600 richard hernstein and they are known for bringing out the reality that iq is tied to many things

00:28:46.280 but one of them is race and so different socioeconomic classes are defined by iq especially

00:28:53.100 as the information economy grabs hold more and more people have to be very intelligent in order

00:28:59.260 to operate in that system, just being strong or brave, you know, no longer can earn you a

00:29:05.120 significant amount of money like it used to. And so you're leaving a bunch of people behind

00:29:09.720 cognitively. Like there's just only so many people who are 70 IQ, who are going to be able

00:29:15.540 to compete in an economy built for 130 IQ people. So what do you do? How do you solve this problem?

00:29:21.180 Well, for Charles Murray, the answer is UBI. Okay. We just acknowledge that there's going to be a

00:29:27.480 certain segment of the population that is just too low iq to actually function to society to 0.99

00:29:33.940 profitably interact with the markets that we're creating for a high iq people so you know people

00:29:39.920 below 80 iq 90 iq there's just like some cutoff and you make sure that they get a payment in an

00:29:47.720 otherwise very profitable economy and that way they're not completely shut out they're still

00:29:52.620 surviving to some extent while operating on UBI, right? So you have socialists and a libertarian

00:30:00.880 coming out with UBI. But now the biggest proponents of UBI, the ones that you see most often

00:30:07.060 are the tech bros, guys like Elon Musk. Elon Musk was just talking about UBI a few days ago,

00:30:14.400 and this is actually what ultimately inspired me to kind of want to give a little bit of a talk

00:30:18.960 about UBI is he was pushing the idea that we're going to need UBI because of, uh, you know, AI

00:30:26.220 and AI is just going to put so many people out of jobs and produce such a surplus that there's no

00:30:34.440 longer any reason to continue to have people doing jobs. Like AI is just going to automate

00:30:40.820 everything and whatever you want. If you want a mansion, you want a Ferrari, it's all just going

00:30:45.520 to get assembled by robots and they're going to like do it for the cheapest possible cost and

00:30:51.560 we're going to have so much abundance that basically like basic economics as we know it

00:30:55.940 is going to fall apart and we're going to need something like a ubi to more or less distribute

00:31:01.080 goods from this ai surplus um again that sounds like kind of like almost like this techno

00:31:07.580 capitalistic justification for ubi and yet still we come down to the same thing like all of these

00:31:15.160 whether it's it's techno capitalism or socialism or you know uh this kind of like libertarian

00:31:21.680 iq understanding they are all coming to the same idea that ultimately like not enough humans are

00:31:28.940 going to be able to participate in the economy and we're going to need like some kind of wealth

00:31:35.160 backstop that's ultimately going to uh you know save us from this problem of progress you can

00:31:41.580 notice that all of these are problems of progress that need to be solved by the government. That's

00:31:46.780 kind of even the libertarians and the tech bros are coming up with like the government as a

00:31:50.960 solution to this like universal issue of progress. And you'll, as we go and talk about UBI a little

00:31:57.520 more, I think you'll start to notice that progress is the key faulty assumption. That's the thing

00:32:03.520 that they're all focusing and they're all basing their understanding on. So a few things we need

00:32:08.980 to think about. First, a version of UBI basically already exists in the United States, right? Like

00:32:14.220 we've got this vast web of interlocking welfare programs, things that cover disability and

00:32:20.160 poverty and childcare, minority status, educational attainment, like whatever it is,

00:32:26.020 there's basically some program out there for you that you can qualify under that's going to pay

00:32:30.740 for some level of your food and your housing. It's not going to like provide you a super

00:32:35.420 comfortable existence like no one's like man i really wish i could live on welfare for the rest

00:32:39.420 of my life but if you don't want to work in america there's probably some way you can figure

00:32:45.860 out that you don't have to especially if you're like not a straight white male christian like if

00:32:51.560 you're an immigrant or a woman or a person of color uh you know one of these groups that's

00:32:57.000 going to fall under the protected classes there is most assuredly several different programs that

00:33:01.580 are going to cover you uh when we have this right but no one else most of us would not look at this

00:33:08.100 and say like oh well this is a way most people would want to live right even though there's 0.92

00:33:13.120 already some level of ubi that is in existence most of us are not going to want to just live

00:33:20.140 on welfare like that's not a glorious existence that's not a fulfilling existence so if we already

00:33:25.440 know this if we already have some degree of ubi like why are we pretending like this is going to

00:33:31.040 be the case. And I think a lot of this comes from like a misunderstanding of human nature.

00:33:39.020 All right. So like the first thing is assuming that humans only do labor to like make money,

00:33:48.640 right? And if we believe that labor's only value is in paying our bills and paying our rent,

00:33:55.480 then I think we're really radically misunderstanding human nature. And I'll talk about that

00:34:01.040 more in a second. But the other problem is pretending that AI is going to ultimately be

00:34:06.840 able to produce the level of abundance that we're talking about, right? Yes, AI could be a powerful

00:34:14.160 tool. I have a lot of concerns about AI and what it's going to do to humanity, but I can't deny

00:34:20.020 the fact that it's obviously well-suited for taking over very repetitive and managerial tasks

00:34:26.720 in our society in fact ai's like main good point for me would be the possibility that it would late

00:34:32.820 remove the need for the managerial lead that would kind of collapse the advantage that scale brings

00:34:38.340 and that we could scale down many of our large bureaucratic organizations that require vast

00:34:44.200 amounts of manpower and bring them back under like semi-human control again with kind of ai as your

00:34:50.440 partner in this again i don't know that that's what's going to happen but that that would be the

00:34:54.780 upside. So I do see that there is like this really big advantage to reducing the amount of like

00:35:01.880 repetitive tasks that are currently done by humans from an efficiency standpoint. But we need to

00:35:07.420 think about that a little bit more because, you know, think about yourself, help checkout line

00:35:11.640 at the grocery store, right? In theory, it reduces the amount of cashiers that the grocery store

00:35:16.820 needs to hire. But I don't know if you've been to a grocery store that has these lines. Often

00:35:21.680 the lines for the self-checkouts themselves quickly fill up much just as long as any of

00:35:28.160 the manual checkout lines were. You also have the problem that obviously the people going there,

00:35:33.800 while checking groceries out is not exactly a highly skilled job, it's still something that

00:35:40.700 most people have not trained for. And so they tend to walk up, they look at the kiosk, they don't know

00:35:45.720 what's going on, they don't know how to use it, they're not sure how to swipe things, there's all

00:35:50.380 the theft that goes on and like you basically usually have to have a couple of cashiers around

00:35:56.740 anyway just to like troubleshoot what's going on with the automated checkout well you're gonna

00:36:03.500 have something very similar when you have ai take over other tasks you're still gonna need a level

00:36:08.400 of human discernment until ai gets much much better and probably will but until that case

00:36:13.540 you're gonna need humans to oversee the process and handle the complex issues that you know the

00:36:18.720 AI is just not prepared to address.

00:36:21.120 AI is good at those repetitive tasks.

00:36:23.140 It's not so great at like thinking around real life concrete problems that you're currently

00:36:28.220 experiencing.

00:36:29.320 Also remember that AI requires massive data centers, which consume like a large amount

00:36:33.860 of energy.

00:36:36.100 They're really, really expensive.

00:36:38.140 They're driving up the cost of computer parts.

00:36:40.260 If you've tried to build a computer recently, RAM and video cards are just insane in price

00:36:45.540 because the demand that AI data centers

00:36:48.240 are placing on everyone.

00:36:50.860 And so, you know, that's a massive build.

00:36:53.500 And also the environmental costs,

00:36:55.160 a lot of people don't want them in their neighborhood.

00:36:57.040 They see their power bill go up.

00:36:58.400 They see more pollution.

00:36:59.740 These are ugly eyesores

00:37:00.800 that take out vast amounts of space.

00:37:03.500 And so, you know, the assumption here

00:37:05.400 is that we can like operate this vast web of AI

00:37:08.540 that's going to reduce all of this labor.

00:37:11.860 And we're going to do it with all of this infrastructure,

00:37:14.120 which we don't have yet.

00:37:15.540 And that's a huge leap because remember, like, I don't know if you've noticed, we're not great

00:37:21.080 at maintaining our infrastructure right now. Like it's really hard to consistently land a plane

00:37:26.440 for like America at the moment. We're not up keeping our airports. We're not up keeping our

00:37:31.120 roads. We're not up keeping our electrical grid. All of that stuff is like really in danger right

00:37:36.980 now. And we are not up keeping any of it. So now we're going to build a bunch of AI centers that

00:37:42.440 rely on all that infrastructure, right? They're going to need the roads. They're going to need

00:37:46.140 the electricity. They're going to need the water treatment. They're going to need all this stuff

00:37:50.180 along with the internet and everything else and all the drain on all the computer parts and

00:37:54.620 everything else. And we're just going to maintain this like vast network of like highly specialized

00:37:59.880 and complex infrastructure effortlessly and allow the, and this is going to allow the entire

00:38:05.300 economy to run. No, probably not actually. Like probably we're going to hit some level unless we

00:38:10.720 see like a vast uh improvement in the power we can get out of individual chips and data centers

00:38:17.180 we're probably going to see a lot of these centers break down we're going to see a lack of maintenance

00:38:22.600 we're going to see everyone come become dependent on ai and then we'll start to see the delays come

00:38:28.080 in once everybody's hooked in so we'll get that we'll get the benefits up front we'll get the

00:38:32.640 you know reduction in labor we'll get the reduction in costs we'll get all the computing power and

00:38:38.460 everything up front. And then the costs will slowly come due. We'll realize people are getting

00:38:42.180 hired. People are getting depressed. They don't have, you know, the role in life, the purpose,

00:38:46.940 everything else we'll talk about in a second. The quality of the service is not as good as

00:38:50.600 it used to be. It's impersonal. And it'll become intermittent because we'll have problems with

00:38:55.480 electricity, all these other things. So I think people need to understand that like, yeah, in

00:39:01.080 theory, like you could have this vast network of AI stuff, but ultimately you're going to run into

00:39:07.460 this infrastructure issue. And that's going to have like pretty serious results down the road

00:39:11.520 that you just have not thought about because the AI is not going to upkeep itself. Like it's not

00:39:15.640 going to upkeep its own infrastructure. So that's going to be a huge problem. The next thing of

00:39:22.780 course is just like the complete ignoring of the human condition itself. So even if we grant the

00:39:31.920 premise that like AI is going to eliminate the need for human labor, and we're going to have

00:39:36.100 this insane material abundance both things i think which are huge leaps from like our current

00:39:41.660 situation ubi still ignores that like humans need purpose they need to work now i understand i look

00:39:49.000 i've had a lot of bad jobs i've worked on roofs i've worked on air conditioning i've you know

00:39:54.600 put in phone calls for construction companies i've uh you know uh taught high school like i've had a

00:40:01.620 lot of jobs that were not like really well known for people just absolutely loving uh you know what

00:40:07.520 they do that said i i know it sounds easy to just say oh well you're in a bad job but it matters and

00:40:14.860 if you left it you wouldn't have any purpose in life but you have to remember that like we can

00:40:20.220 look at the people on welfare now people who more or less have ubi are they known for like writing

00:40:26.840 great american novels or you know moving to their garage and inventing a bunch of cool stuff no

00:40:32.440 right like mainly they like smoke pot and watch tv and play video games all day this is kind of

00:40:38.720 what they're known for we we know this about human nature that like ultimately uh as much as we'd like

00:40:46.300 to believe that we would all just be like be these incredible uh you know savants as soon as we are

00:40:52.280 uh kind of freed up from the necessity of work the truth is that most of us don't have that drive

00:40:59.800 most of us don't have that like self-determination to take that free time and turn it into something

00:41:05.920 that truly benefits humanity especially when like most of the things that benefit humanity

00:41:10.260 from our history have been things like making food for people building houses for people

00:41:15.700 providing some kind of service for people like these are the things that made you part of a

00:41:21.780 community. Even if you weren't the biggest part of the community, at least you were plugged in.

00:41:26.360 At least you knew at the end of the day, there was a house standing somewhere. There was a meal

00:41:30.780 served. Somebody was able to understand something because you did your job that day. And that

00:41:36.940 defined you. What do you do for a living tends to be one of the first questions people ask you

00:41:41.640 when you walk into a room because they understand how critical that is, not just because they're

00:41:46.340 counting the number of dollars you make from what you're doing, but because they understand that

00:41:51.700 there is a intrinsic value and a, and it puts you in a specific place in society to fulfill a role,

00:41:57.860 right? This is Aristotelian. Like we have a role to play in our society. There's a telos

00:42:03.460 that we need to serve in our position. And if we don't have a position, we can't understand that

00:42:09.200 about ourselves. So if we end up turning around and placing everybody on UBI, yeah, there, there

00:42:14.680 are probably a small segment of people. There's like a certain percentage of people who are just,

00:42:19.940 you know, completely enslaved to their job because they have to make money and they have to pay the

00:42:23.540 rent. And if they didn't have to do that, they would actually like write a book or design an

00:42:28.380 incredible building or, you know, make some invention. Like there are those people out

00:42:32.860 there. There will be some success stories, but the truth is the Pareto principle. I've talked

00:42:38.100 about Pareto Pareto for his sociology, for his political analysis, but most of you probably

00:42:45.340 know Pareto because of his mathematics. And one of his principles is that 80% of productivity is

00:42:52.500 done by like 20% of society. It's also often called the Matthew principle by people like

00:42:57.540 Jordan Peterson, because to those to whom more is given, you get more. Like people who have done

00:43:04.680 more earn more. Like they accrue more back to themselves. And so one of the things that

00:43:12.480 everybody having a role in society does is it keeps us from maximizing that Pareto principle.

00:43:17.700 It keeps us from putting all of the results into 20%. Because as much as the other 80% of people

00:43:26.280 probably don't like their job, at least they are contributing something. At least they are key in

00:43:30.680 some way. They are necessary to the functioning of society. And if you remove the necessity

00:43:35.560 to the functioning of society, you become completely, completely subservient to the 0.99

00:43:43.040 people who do make society function. So if we suddenly remove the necessity for 80% of the

00:43:49.620 people from the economy, we're going to maximize the Pareto principle. 20% of people will be very

00:43:54.680 valuable. They will do these amazing things. They will make art or music or whatever. But 80% of

00:44:00.440 people, they're just going to fall behind. They're going to be completely useless. And when they 0.99

00:44:05.100 become completely useless they're going to become depressed yes their needs are met yes they're not 0.83

00:44:10.440 going to starve yes they don't have to go to a boring job but now what do they do with their day 0.98

00:44:15.500 are they happier are they healthier do they do you ever feel the need to strive to achieve again

00:44:22.540 and let's also not forget of course that humans are status seeking creatures like even if money

00:44:28.780 isn't a thing even if material accumulation is not the most important thing even if there's a

00:44:33.020 basic level of existence we can have because we have a UBI, that doesn't mean that we're just

00:44:41.140 going to be okay. Like we will still want to differentiate ourselves from each other because

00:44:46.820 really as nice as all of the material things are, the things we want most recognition, respect, 0.98

00:44:53.280 the attention of the opposite sex, you know, competing for mating. These are all things that 0.98

00:44:58.160 are status-based, not material-based. Material can grant a status. Many women would rather date

00:45:05.280 a rich person. Many people look up to rich people. But I mean, there's a lot of jobs that make less, 1.00

00:45:12.040 but people would rather do them. So for instance, there are plenty of plumbers who make more than

00:45:16.540 college professors. A lot of people would rather be college professors than plumbers, even though

00:45:20.980 plumbers make significantly more. Why? Well, because it's not just about the money. It's about

00:45:27.080 the status they think is attached to the job. Now you might say, well, college professors are

00:45:31.280 overblown and plumbers are far more valuable. And I think there's probably some truth to that,

00:45:36.960 but ultimately this is how society is ordered itself. And so if you suddenly ignore that

00:45:44.480 infrastructure and say, well, actually, it doesn't really matter. Everyone will just make the same

00:45:51.080 amount. Well, then you're radically shifting how people approach status and they will find some

00:45:56.020 other way to make status so perhaps you know it'll be artisanally handmade crafts that humans have

00:46:03.360 made which will somehow become more valuable once everyone can own everything they want

00:46:07.920 maybe this will radically shift like how people rate their status with material concerns but that

00:46:14.660 will still exist like that won't go away just because we gave everybody a universal basic

00:46:20.060 income any any more than it went away when we implemented communism in places like the ussr

00:46:25.400 like the people who ran the ussr weren't hurting they still had money they still enjoyed luxuries

00:46:33.140 they still had material comfort and wealth more than the average person it's not because

00:46:38.880 uh you know they just didn't do communism right it's because that's a natural consequence of

00:46:43.660 human nature and it doesn't disappear under communism and it's certainly not going to

00:46:47.500 disappear under ubi but there's one you know there's there's more to think about right we

00:46:53.300 we've done a test, you know, run of this with COVID. We were all locked in our homes. We couldn't

00:46:59.060 really do our jobs. There's only a certain percentage of people who could continue to do

00:47:03.580 everything on the computer. And a lot of people just couldn't do their jobs anymore. And, you

00:47:10.260 know, there, there were people who got paychecks anyway, or there were a lot of people who obviously

00:47:14.660 we all got stimulus checks from the government, whether you were completely, you know, subsidized

00:47:20.160 home alone or if you were just missing paychecks and stuck in home anyway or if you were working

00:47:24.920 from home but suddenly uh removed from your rhythm of the workplace what we do know is everybody

00:47:29.700 suddenly didn't have to interact with each other and they didn't have to do as much work and they

00:47:35.380 had a lot more free time and guess what people watch netflix and did drugs and played video games

00:47:42.420 like some people went out and did stuff like i actually wrote half a book at the time so

00:47:48.820 you know i'm not the best example in this scenario but like you get what i'm saying that's not how

00:47:53.520 everyone uses their time and in fact most people just go stir crazy and become disconnected and

00:47:59.240 that's the last thing i want to talk about ubi disconnects the human from the economic process

00:48:04.940 if you have paid attention to this show if you've watched me before you know about nick land you

00:48:12.140 know about the idea of capital separating itself from humanity and what that does how it accelerates

00:48:18.140 us into a scenario where the technology and the uh you know productivity they interact all by

00:48:26.180 themselves if we completely remove human uh decision making human labor human understanding

00:48:32.700 from the process then we're completely removing humans from the economic sphere

00:48:38.020 pretty much entirely yeah it's still serving some of our needs but really it just needs to

00:48:44.380 you know think about how to meet the basic needs and then move on from there now maybe ai will

00:48:49.640 never move beyond the like parrot llm maybe it will always just you know kind of repeat back

00:48:54.700 what it says people say to it and will never truly gain any form of intelligence but if it does and

00:49:00.360 it really doesn't need human humans anymore because we literally have removed ourselves

00:49:04.280 in every way shape or form from the process of developing technology and running the economy

00:49:11.200 well then we truly have handed literally everything over to the machines at that point

00:49:16.040 and so again you might you don't have to believe that ai is going to reach this point to understand

00:49:20.680 this concern but if it did ever reach that point if it did actually you know become like the skynet

00:49:25.580 nightmare some people worry about well then we have basically turned ourselves over to its mercy

00:49:30.820 because everyone's dependent and of course this is the biggest downside if the government is handing

00:49:36.520 out UBI, it's obviously going to get to make the rules. It's not going to be neutral. How delusional

00:49:42.160 do you have to be to believe that? We're literally talking about the SPLC right now and how it's been

00:49:47.800 manipulating government agencies to go after conservatives for years or possibly being used

00:49:52.440 as a cutout by the government agencies to go after conservative for years. They've used the

00:49:57.760 legal system to throw people in jail, to debank people, to put massive fines on them, to make

00:50:02.500 them pay hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in lawyers' fees. They've robbed people,

00:50:08.440 they've taken their home, they've destroyed their family. And that's just what the government

00:50:12.340 having the level of control has now. Again, I'm not the big libertarian guy. I'm not like, oh,

00:50:18.040 anything that gives the government power is dangerous. But I think it's pretty obvious that

00:50:21.600 handing the entire distribution of goods and services over the government comes with, well,

00:50:25.780 everything we fear about communism but because libertarians in many cases and tech bros in many

00:50:32.580 cases who otherwise would completely uh you know oppose the government having that kind of power

00:50:37.740 the fact that they continue to come back to this conclusion shows you something it tells you

00:50:42.400 something that it's not just communism that's the problem though communism is a problem to be clear

00:50:47.220 like communism is bad it fails but the deeper problem is materialism the deeper problem is

00:50:54.800 assuming that there is nothing beyond this world, but what we touch and what we taste and what we

00:50:58.700 see. And if that's true, then you start to fall into the delusional belief that you can engineer

00:51:04.720 humanity from the top down. Whether you do that through markets, whether you do that through

00:51:09.460 government, whether you do that from whatever, you get this idea that people are just like

00:51:15.420 interchangeable, they're machines. You can, you can just tweak something here or there and get

00:51:19.440 the right outcome. And when you start to treat people that way, you start to lose the understanding

00:51:23.580 of human nature. You start to forget that people need spiritual things. They need the metaphysical.

00:51:28.960 They need the transcendent. That life full of stuff that isn't beautiful or true just doesn't

00:51:36.940 matter. Ultimately, you will become miserable. And so I think it's really critical for people

00:51:44.380 to recognize that all of these ideologies keep coming to the same conclusion because they're all

00:51:50.440 fundamentally unhuman. They're inhuman. They're materialist ideologies that ignore the truth of

00:51:59.120 God, that ignore the truth of spirituality, that ignore the truth of human necessity

00:52:05.980 and nature. And instead, they just want to take the raw facts, the raw data,

00:52:11.460 and treat everybody as a spreadsheet. And whether it's the communists or the libertarians or the

00:52:17.040 techno-capitalists doing this, it's always a mistake. It doesn't mean that there aren't some

00:52:23.100 good points we need to ponder. It doesn't mean we don't need to consider what artificial

00:52:27.300 intelligence is going to do for our society. I think we do. But the fact that people keep falling

00:52:33.240 back on this UBI solution, I think is a just dangerous delusion. It's going to drive us into

00:52:39.680 very bad places. And because so many different voices are all pushing for it simultaneously,

00:52:45.160 simultaneously. I thought it was worth breaking down why it's such a problem.

00:52:49.520 All right, guys, we've got a lot of questions from the people here real quick, so I'll switch

00:52:53.120 over to that. DB543 says the amount of so-called gay conservatives defending gay parenting along

00:53:06.260 with the video on Twitter is discussing they're invading our movement. I feel like you had brought 0.97

00:53:11.600 that up previously but yeah i mean obviously this is true for a long time um you know it ask me how

00:53:18.080 i got blocked by dave rubin um and you'll you'll see that i've agreed with you for a very long time

00:53:23.220 on this uh and this was always the problem of inviting the the left never left me types because

00:53:28.680 nothing has changed these people have not fundamentally changed their worldview they

00:53:32.240 they believe in justifying the lifestyle that they wrap their politics around and they didn't like

00:53:38.740 that ultimately you know some of their more radical counterparts were pushing things too far

00:53:43.460 but they believed everything then and they have to keep believing it because literally their

00:53:47.200 identity is wrapped in it and that's why things like homosexuality and the trans movement are

00:53:51.800 so critical to the left because they're things you can't really leave people are never going to look 0.95

00:53:56.060 at you the same you know the old joke you'll never be a bridge builder anymore you know so you know

00:54:02.120 bill hicks i think uh but ultimately like these are these are life-altering commitments and people

00:54:07.520 recognize this. And so once you've been, you know, bought into one of these like identity groups,

00:54:13.480 it's incredibly costly to remove yourself from them. And you have to like completely change

00:54:18.100 your worldview to do it. And the vast majority of people aren't. So when you invite these people

00:54:22.400 into the movement, you're going to invite those predilections. Like they don't just go away

00:54:26.440 because they decided they also like low taxes. Cherry Coke Nixon says, how can I care about the

00:54:32.440 iran lebanon uh isrl while the dnc is launching a color revolution on our congressional districts

00:54:40.200 once again domestic crisis yeah again couldn't couldn't agree more i begged us not to go to war 0.91

00:54:45.060 i pleaded for us not to go to war i said it was stupid i said it was going to cost us stuff i said 0.94

00:54:49.800 we were going to drop the ball domestically and look again happy the trump administration just 0.89

00:54:54.000 did this splc uh move that's huge so obviously they haven't dropped the ball on everything

00:54:59.120 but yeah i mean obviously like it's very simple guys i saw someone asked jesse kelly this because

00:55:05.760 he was he was you know expressing some frustration with the war and jesse's generally pretty pro

00:55:13.140 trump pro war you know or pro military guy who's in the marines i believe and so people were

00:55:19.080 were confused like hey how can you be talking like this and he said it's very simple i think

00:55:23.520 that democrats winning control of america is more dangerous than iran having a nuke

00:55:27.440 and of course he's right of course he's right especially domestically but to be clear the

00:55:34.300 democrats having control of america is both more dangerous for america than iran having a nuke but

00:55:40.940 it's more dangerous for the world like having the progressives in charge of the american superpower

00:55:46.000 is more dangerous for the world than iran having a nuke so yeah like obviously domestic politics

00:55:52.580 matters more. And this is what I tried to tell everybody. And I continue to hold the position

00:55:56.980 again. I hope, I hope that Trump pulls this out. I hope he figures it out. I'm rooting for him to

00:56:02.700 somehow figure this out, but this, you know, this was an unforced error and it puts us in a scenario

00:56:08.700 where we're going to keep seeing problems like this. Rems Winkle says going to sue the SPLC

00:56:14.040 for back pay. Yeah, I know many people, you know, were joking with, with that amount of money going

00:56:20.620 out maybe you know it looks like the left pays conservative activists more than uh than the

00:56:28.200 right does like if you're a right-wing activist it's better to to be bribed for the SPLC than it

00:56:33.660 is to actually take a job in conservative politics because the pay is better uh which is insane

00:56:39.420 Nixon says SPLC sounds like an internal version of uh USAID well yeah again these these organizations

00:56:48.580 theoretically are different right like they have different things on the masthead but they all

00:56:53.260 serve the same purpose like they're all nodes in this progressive cathedral structure so yes like

00:56:58.100 they are in many ways interchangeable they do technically different things they have different

00:57:01.980 focus one's overseas one's domestic one's laundering money here one's laundering money there

00:57:06.720 but it's all working for the same cause he also says tell trump that spamburger is enriched uranium

00:57:12.120 Yes, I heard that Spanberger might be developing nukes.

00:57:17.260 The Virginia legislature might be developing nukes.

00:57:19.520 We need to take immediate action as soon as possible.

00:57:24.140 Let's see. 1.00

00:57:26.440 Also says the feminine party uses power ruthlessly while the dad party acts like useless cucks. 1.00

00:57:32.500 Indiana, Utah, Save Act, VRA, nonstop cucking. 0.96

00:57:36.480 Again, I wish I could say that you're wrong, but I don't see how you are.

00:57:40.560 like the republicans just refuse to use power they just refuse to do it and it's frankly because

00:57:47.480 there's a bunch of guys you know who run around using the word woke right who are telling them

00:57:54.320 that's fine it's okay to be weak using power is evil it is what the democrats do your voters

00:58:01.200 shouldn't expect anything from you you should fail you should knuckle under at every chance

00:58:06.200 that's your job that's classical liberalism tm right there baby that's what conservatism really 1.00

00:58:12.060 means and it seems like the gop keeps listening to these idiots over and over and over again 0.99

00:58:17.380 nixon also says redistricting funding uh we have uh cornyn to save yep again you know that the 1.00

00:58:25.460 party pours all their money into legacy candidates uh that they favor and does not care about like

00:58:32.480 actual tactical situations because the GOP is not there to win. It's not there to be a

00:58:38.340 alternative party. It's a system of funneling money out of conservative states into the pockets

00:58:45.420 of people who will betray them. That's what the GOP exists to do. And it's working.

00:58:52.260 Sean Weiland says Republicans are the Washington generals. Democrats are the Harlem Globetrotters.

00:58:57.480 It's an exhibition match. They're not voting our way out of this. Again, sadly, I think you're

00:59:01.940 right. It's guys get involved locally, get involved locally and make sure you own whatever

00:59:07.360 is called the Republican party in your area. You're not going to be able to control it nationally.

00:59:11.880 That's just clear. The Republican national party, hopefully one day it flips. Hopefully one day we

00:59:16.220 own it inside and out, but until then you're not going to be able to change things there.

00:59:20.440 But as we see in Virginia, local politics matters. If you, if we had a fully charged and fully

00:59:28.500 operational uh like right-wing control of the republican party in in virginia if it had been

00:59:36.280 active the minute this was proposed if it had hit the ground and implemented tp usa's uh you know

00:59:43.200 suggestions and got them funded immediately we'd be in an entirely different place man entirely

00:59:48.420 different place so you're probably not going to change anything at the national level you're

00:59:52.020 probably not going to see the senate you know or the or the you know the the house republicans

00:59:57.380 suddenly decide that they're going to start fighting for you. But what we can do is get

01:00:01.460 people into these critical positions at the local and state level. Again, it's long, it's arduous,

01:00:07.720 there's no glory in it, and too bad. Like, it's got to get done.

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01:00:27.380 nixon says uh democrats blueprint minnesota county california on welfare ubi virginia

01:00:36.260 elections britain on uh speech canada on immigration yeah that's a pretty good summation

01:00:41.960 right that's that's a pretty good summation of what the democrats want to see they want to make

01:00:46.920 sure we can't win votes they want to make sure all their supporters are on ubi they want to make sure

01:00:51.660 that we can't talk about it the elections are rigged the borders are open like i think that's

01:00:56.860 a pretty fair checklist of what the Democrats intend to do. Manny Ud says, I'm trying not to

01:01:02.680 black pill, but there seems to be more, more people who want a beautiful losers than ugly 0.98

01:01:07.080 winners on their right. Why so many cowards? Again, you know, winning is hard. It's dangerous. 1.00

01:01:13.560 People like ineffectual opposition. There's a reason that the minute that real right-wingers

01:01:20.440 show up, all of a sudden the Democrats remember how much they love George Bush and Dick Cheney.

01:01:25.260 right? Like there's a reason the democratic party is able to embrace, you know, Liz Cheney and Bill

01:01:32.620 Crystal right now. And it's because ultimately, you know, they, they recognize that winning is

01:01:39.440 what matters, right? Like that, that's what matters. And there's been so many of these useless

01:01:45.600 people in the Republican party for so long that they, they felt like they had to jump ship when 0.98

01:01:49.900 Donald Trump showed up. But unfortunately now we're seeing that the Trump administration is

01:01:53.780 run into too many snags and gotten lost in a foreign quagmire and they're still winning some

01:01:58.600 victories but they didn't take the you know the need to focus on domestic threats seriously they

01:02:03.960 didn't take the need to ultimately wield power as seriously they needed to like i know they're

01:02:09.380 doing important things i know that they are finding ways to get things done without the congress but

01:02:14.840 the fact that the republican congress has done nothing and that people who are pushing for

01:02:18.840 immigration still get things like endorsements from Donald Trump is a huge problem. Like Donald

01:02:25.100 Trump could have spent all the time he's spending yelling at like the mullahs in Iran to yell at

01:02:30.060 Maria Salazar to put pressure on all the people who are pushing for amnesty in the Republican

01:02:35.540 party. Again, political capital is finite. There's only so much attention. There's only so much

01:02:42.140 energy. There's only so much goodwill you get. I understand we have to do unpopular things

01:02:47.560 to save this country but can we do like the things that actually save the country

01:02:52.180 going to iran did not save the country deporting deporting at least 10 million people could

01:02:58.340 it wouldn't be enough but at least it would show us that there's a way forward

01:03:03.920 in 10 years your kids will not care about whether or not iran has nukes they will care

01:03:09.960 about whether no one in their area speaks their language prays to the same god that they do

01:03:14.280 practices the same religion, learns the same history, cares about the things that they care

01:03:19.360 about. That will matter in 10 years. Whether or not Iran has a nuke will not matter to anyone

01:03:24.780 except maybe Israel. So maybe we should do what helps America. Sean says, read the UBI. This 0.78

01:03:32.680 agenda is downstream from the China shock and 2008 GFC. We offshored the supply side to China

01:03:39.080 to only have a demand-side jobs in America. 100% true. We have to reshore manufacturing. We have 0.92

01:03:45.560 to make things in the United States. Someone put this in the best way, and it has not left my mind

01:03:50.080 since I heard it. People with a servant economy become servants. If you have a service economy,

01:03:57.240 if it's all demand-side, if the only thing Americans do is sell things to each other

01:04:02.900 and wait on each other's tables

01:04:04.420 and answer each other's phone calls,

01:04:06.580 then you have a nation of servants.

01:04:10.160 They don't make anything with their hands.

01:04:11.420 They don't do anything in a real physical sense.

01:04:14.080 And that comes with a,

01:04:15.600 along with all the economic problems,

01:04:16.920 that has a real spiritual cost

01:04:18.820 that weighs on the people of your nation.

01:04:25.560 Mr. Biofan says,

01:04:27.020 it's blatantly clear that people

01:04:28.900 who complain about the woke right

01:04:30.560 are fined with power only for one cause,

01:04:32.900 that they care about. And that's helping Israel. Yep. I mean, that's it. That's obvious. There's, 0.73

01:04:37.740 you know, along with everything else that people who deployed that word share,

01:04:41.600 they do seem strangely, and I'll let you figure that one out.

01:04:45.840 Even Netanyahu used the word, so you could probably figure it out. But, you know, they all

01:04:50.520 seem to have one shared interest, which is Israel over the United States. Like we should be spending 0.89

01:04:56.760 all our time there. Who cares if Virginia gets taken over by Democrats? Who cares if the SPLC is,

01:05:02.420 you know uh manipulating uh the law enforcement in at the national and local levels to destroy 0.84

01:05:08.920 the lives of average americans you know as long as israel's fine that's that's what matters 0.76

01:05:13.940 sean says uh the people saying ubi is inevitable are now the same ones who said communism is

01:05:21.320 inevitable in the 20th century aka the leftist ratchet yes but like i said it's also libertarians

01:05:26.360 it's also tech guys so i do think there's it's more than just the left it's just communism though

01:05:32.180 those are obvious manifestations of this but i really do think that tracing it back to like

01:05:37.400 materialistic uh understandings of the world helps us grasp the wider problem though communism is a

01:05:44.620 problem nested inside that wider problem philosophical thirstworm says the christian

01:05:50.820 framing for ubi is really universal employment a society-wide civil service corps everyone is

01:05:57.120 service-minded. Everyone has duties. Again, yeah, you can understand this, right? And to some level

01:06:02.600 that is desirable, but at the same time, then we're really just looking at brave new world

01:06:08.440 instead of 1984, right? Where the government kind of assigns everybody a job and gives everybody a

01:06:14.100 purpose. And I'm so glad I'm a Delta. I would never want to be an alpha. I'm so glad I'm a

01:06:18.060 beta. I'd never want to be a Delta. Like, you know, like that, that's where that mentality 1.00

01:06:22.180 kind of leads again i don't think there is a christian version of the government hands out

01:06:28.620 everything and demands everyone's place in society top down like i you know again not a libertarian

01:06:35.940 actually relatively comfortable with certain levels of government authority but i think just

01:06:40.540 turning your entire economy over to uh the left just can you know and to the centralized government

01:06:45.960 It can just never be justified.

01:06:49.460 Simon Robins says, work is a curse from Eden, not a necessity.

01:06:53.140 Also a word, losing scarcity would not end labor.

01:06:56.940 The work week would just get gradually smaller with equal pay.

01:07:00.800 Again, that doesn't, the second part in no way actually removes the problem that we're

01:07:06.220 talking about here, but this is a real issue.

01:07:08.840 So saying, oh, well, work is just a curse from Eden.

01:07:11.420 Okay.

01:07:11.640 If you want to understand it that way, you're wrong.

01:07:14.660 like actually uh god gave men jobs before the fall uh but even if we're going to say okay well

01:07:21.820 all the toil there if we're going to be like really specific is from the fall then now you're

01:07:27.060 just imitizing the eschaton right now you're saying well i you know i can just solve human

01:07:32.200 the human condition uh because you know that that's uh a curse for me and war is a curse for

01:07:37.660 me and famine is a curse for me and no the poor is all are always going to be with you they're

01:07:41.680 always there's always going to be war and there's always going to be some necessity for labor like

01:07:46.860 that's how human beings have are developed this is this is a ontological you know issue here like

01:07:55.920 that is who we are as beings and so i really i think you're you're deeply misunderstanding the

01:08:02.140 nature of the problem when you say oh well work is just something bad because we fell from the

01:08:07.060 garden of eden and so therefore we get rid of it like no uh no more than we also have to get rid

01:08:12.540 of clothing because that's something that was forced onto us shame from from the guard of good

01:08:17.500 and need those things are just going to be with us that's the way it works dorito world order says

01:08:23.600 what's the next america in 2028 and beyond now that trump's broad conservative libertarian

01:08:29.180 coalition has been ritually sacrificed to israel you know i i still think that there are elements

01:08:34.620 of the coalition that can work together. I don't think the entire thing, I'm not a MAGA is dead

01:08:39.660 guy at this point, but I do think MAGA is severely wounded. I do think that if Trump wants to win

01:08:44.520 back the trust of his coalition, he would need to do something pretty radical. I think starting

01:08:48.880 with something like the SPLC is pretty good, but we're going to see a lot more. I know it's a big

01:08:55.380 climb. I'm not optimistic about it, but I'm also just not going to say it's impossible. I think

01:09:00.400 there is a way back to a winning coalition, but I think it was going to, it's going to take radical

01:09:05.380 action. That said, if radical action is not taken and it's entirely possible that it won't be,

01:09:10.120 then I think you will probably see a fracture between what was the new growing right and

01:09:16.020 conservatism incorporated. I think establishment conservatism will shed most of the energy that

01:09:24.660 came from the new right. And while it will still control some level of like the Fox News voter

01:09:29.940 base ultimately like that's a dying demographic the most people who follow con inc are boomers

01:09:36.720 again not that they don't have some inroads into younger people but that percentage is vastly

01:09:42.720 smaller and so i think that they will take a very serious hit and so you'll see you know the

01:09:47.880 republican party continue to become more of a rump party right like where it technically controls

01:09:52.620 enough percentage to have some seat at the table but like never enough to really actually drive

01:09:58.660 decisions and make real political change, which sadly is already starting to look like a position

01:10:04.260 that most of the GOP is comfortable settling into. Thirstworm also says all right-wing money is for

01:10:11.480 Israel or business interests. Don't have true believers with deep pockets. Reps are paid

01:10:17.120 handsomely for their priorities. Again, yeah, I mean, hard to argue that position. Very clear that

01:10:24.640 most gop politicians have no principles and will ultimately just go where the money leads them

01:10:31.340 again i i think that they will probably believe some level of like america's for freedom and

01:10:36.040 prosperity or whatever but it's very clear that they're willing to sell the vast majority of

01:10:40.180 you know republican priorities conservative priorities down the river for cash um you know

01:10:45.760 there and and and in dc the cash and influence tends to be business interests and foreign

01:10:51.020 interests. Remember, it's not just Israel. Israel's one. But of course, China and others have

01:10:56.300 significant investments in the United States. And it's very clear that Republicans, despite their

01:11:00.880 whining about other things like the problem with China, I mean, look, at least Republicans

01:11:04.700 praise Israel, right? Like at least they at least there's some cogent thought to like why they're

01:11:09.740 helping Israel, even if you might disagree with it. But like China, like they spend all their 0.91

01:11:14.380 time talking about how China is the most dangerous thing in the world. And they turn around and take 0.96

01:11:17.980 Chinese money and help out Chinese interests, you know? So yeah, it's, it's, it's one of those

01:11:22.280 things where like, yeah, the Israel stuff is bad, but at least it's kind of upfront. At least there's 1.00

01:11:27.300 some level of honesty, uh, that like, yeah, we're, we're viewing this as a country we should spend

01:11:32.320 money or time on. Uh, they obfuscate too much, I think about how they support Israel, but ultimately, 0.91

01:11:37.460 um, you know, at least, at least there's some level of like upfront. Yeah. This is something 0.62

01:11:41.760 that we believe in. Uh, weirdy curb says real UBI hasn't been tried. Yeah. I feel like there's a

01:11:47.960 lot of that man i really do like we obviously already have proto-ubi and it's a complete failure

01:11:52.780 and the only solution anyone seems to be able to do is say like just a little more a little more

01:11:57.480 and it'll finally work sean says abundance and post scarcity are delusions scarcity is real

01:12:02.600 and always will be our lack of demand is from wall street crowding out main street again largely

01:12:07.960 agree with this i do not think that we will actually ever reach ai utopia production utopia

01:12:14.080 i think star trek communism is not a reality in the future uh we're not just going to get a point

01:12:19.920 where like everything anyone could ever want is going to be manufactured instantaneously at a

01:12:24.960 low enough cost where it's basically trivial and therefore uh like we all just kind of have

01:12:29.640 functionally the same amount of wealth uh i i do not think scarcity is going anywhere just like

01:12:34.040 the garden of eden eden thing man i think it's just with us until the end of the time and those

01:12:38.800 who lied to themselves about that are really going to hurt themselves uh eric uh thank you very much

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - April 22, 2026

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