Understanding Nick Land's 'Meltdown' ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 9⧸20⧸24
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After more than 235 years, the radical left is saying that we need saving from the Constitution. And they re starting by working to end the independence of the Supreme Court by packing it with their own handpicked justices to get the outcome that they want.
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Fridays on the Oren McIntyre Show are so often Nick Land days.
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Nick Land is one of the most critical philosophers when it comes to, I think,
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just a lot of what's happening today, but very specifically neo-reactionary understandings
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We've gone through a lot of his Xenosystem essays or his Dark Enlightenment.
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But today I wanted to touch on his essay Meltdown.
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It's one of his most seminal essays, one that has changed the thought of many different disciplines,
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neo-reaction, accelerationism, and many other forms of political theory and other philosophy.
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It's very rich, but it is famously impenetrable in areas.
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So this is probably going to take us multiple essays or rather multiple episodes as we kind
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of go through this essay, read it, and try to break down the different pieces and make
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To do this, joining me today is one of my favorite companions for reading Nick Land.
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I feel like as often as we do these, you should just create a playlist called Land Acknowledgements.
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Yeah, well, I do have the Nick Land playlist, but you're right.
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I should change the name to the More Clever Land Acknowledgements.
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So we're going to jump into the essay here in just a moment.
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All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and get started with Meltdown.
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I guess just somewhat of a warning before we try to keep things relatively PG on the show
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most of the time, but some of the language here is edgy boy language.
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So if, you know, I guess if you're listening to the show with your kids, perhaps, you know,
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But that said, let's just start the essay at the beginning and we'll unpack from there.
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Earth is captured by a techno-capital singularity as Renaissance rationalization and oceanic navigation
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So this first sentence here is talking about the emergence of a more global understanding
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We have Renaissance rationalization and oceanic navigation locking into commoditization takeoff.
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So the process of circumnavigating the globe and the rationalization that is coming out
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of the Renaissance and then the Enlightenment is creating a scenario where we get a large
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amount of exchange of goods, services, and ideas on a regular basis.
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We have to develop systems for kind of setting up this type of trade, which creates a large
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amount of what will eventually be artificial intelligence in the understanding of Nick Land.
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And so just this first sentence is talking about the radical change we undergo from being
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relatively isolated civilizations to becoming this global network of interconnection that is
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constantly going to be building a certain level of intelligence for itself.
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Yeah, this is going to be really just a narrative more so than it is going to be a flat out
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So this is going to take as much postmodern tech terms or technobabble, whatever you want
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If you don't know your Deleuze, if you haven't read Antioedipus, don't worry.
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Unfortunately, Oren and I have, so we will try our best to break this down for you.
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So yes, this is more narrative driven than it is based on a traditional essay or point about
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citing sources or statistics or anything like that.
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So this is, I've jokingly called this Nick Land's slam poetry debut.
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You're really going to understand why in a minute, but we'll make sense of it as we go
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Yeah, it's really the style that's being done here is, like you said, it's a narrative.
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It's kind of a myth being spun itself while also including all of this terminology.
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And we've done the postmodernism, so you don't have to.
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Logistically accelerating techno-economic interactivity crumbles social order into auto-sophisticating
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Again, this is another one of those expansions on this idea that the logistical systems and
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all of the technological interaction necessary to create this global, this globalization that
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we're now recognizing as this huge force began much earlier.
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He's pointing that this is really something that's coming out of the 15 or 1600s and is
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not something new, even though now we have this kind of understanding.
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Now the process has run far beyond its starting point.
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We now recognize it as this kind of globalization, and in that process, it is doing exactly what
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It's crumbling previous social orders, and instead we're creating this auto-sophisticating
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There's this machine that feeds back into itself.
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Every time global capital gets better at doing what it does, it creates a more sophisticated
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iteration that gets better at doing what it does.
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Every one of the inputs and the outputs feed back into each other, creating this runaway
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process that, you know, has been going on for so long, but we are now just barely starting
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As markets learn to manufacture intelligence, politics modernizes, upgrades paranoia, and tries
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So markets, or capital, this global capital network, this techno capital, are basically
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Again, every iteration of this network, every increase in sophistication, every increase in
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efficiency, closes the loop, the cybernetic feedback loop, and accelerates the process.
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And as the intelligence gets manufactured, politics recognizes this problem.
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So in this case, politics is the human, and the human recognizes the danger of what is
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happening, that markets are creating this intelligence that is outside of the usual human
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capacity, that is unconnected to these normal human systems.
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And when it recognizes this dangerous process, it modernizes.
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So in many ways, we can think of a lot of the modern ideological, the emergence of modern
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ideologies as a human political reaction to the manufacturing of intelligence by markets
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outside of human understanding or human desiring and need.
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And so this means that human systems want to upgrade their paranoia, and they want to get
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a grip, they want to, they want to get a hold of this process.
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And one of the other, I guess a good example, maybe to break this down a little further
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about trying to get a grip for the manufacturing of intelligence.
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If you've seen the great movie, I think it's, what is it, Margin Call, right?
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Where, you know, they're trying to make sense of all these models for economic predictions,
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and you've got Jeremy Irons in the boardroom, you know, explaining this to me like I'm a
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very small child, while I think it's Zachary Quinto is the character who, you know, has
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a background in NASA and physics, who's trying to make sense of how the fact is, is that actually
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And we're sitting on a huge pile of losses that we need to desperately get rid of if we
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want this, you know, venture capital firm to survive.
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Essentially, that as we've continued to produce more complex systems, it becomes harder and
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harder for regular people who participate in the marketplace, A, to even participate, or
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B, for the traditional structures of power, such as the 19th and 20th century conceptualization
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So, again, paranoia will definitely upgrade as we talk about every type of possible disaster
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And because of that, politics has to rapidly try and keep up pace and get a grip.
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But as land will elucidate for the rest of this essay, it will not succeed, and nothing
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Yes, and that's exactly what he goes into into the next portion here.
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He says, the body count climbs through a series of global wars.
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Emergent planetary commercium trashes the Holy Roman Empire, the Napoleonic continental
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system, the Second and Third Reich, and the Soviet international, cranking up world disorder
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through compressing phases, deregulation, and the state arms race each other into cyberspace.
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So, this is exactly the process that Prudentialist was just laying out there.
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He says, the emergent planetary commercium, so that's this global technical capital, is trashing
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all of these old systems that were actually serving nation states or distinct human entities,
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The Holy Roman Empire, the Napoleonic continental system, which was basically Napoleon's attempt
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to get a hold of free trade and to starve out places like England from this, the Second
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and Third Reich, the Soviet international, so both fascism and communism, serving as systems
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to try to contain this emerging problem of disassociated capital, the global capital,
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craking up the world disorder through compressing phases.
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So, basically, as the global techno capital gets more complex, becomes more powerful, creates
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more intelligence, becomes more sophisticated, the state is also racing to try to control it.
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And so, what you have is, you know, in many ways, you know, we talk about managerialism a lot.
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One way you can understand managerialism is a system racing to grapple with the problem of modernity
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How can Leviathan scale high enough in order to catch up with this explosion of artificial
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intelligence in the form of kind of a capital network?
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So, the deregulation, the exploding, you know, economic system, and the state are arms racing
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each other into this kind of cyberspace, into the future here.
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By the time soft engineering slithers out of its box and into yours, human security is lurching
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Cloning, lateral, geno data transfer, transversal replication, and cyberotics flood into a relapse,
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uh, uh, blood in amongst a relapse onto neobacterial sex, uh, neo-China arise from the future, uh,
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hyper-synthetic drugs click into digital voodoo, retro disease, nanospasm.
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So, here he's just saying that you have this moment where, uh, the, uh, the, the, basically
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all of this capital, all the techno capital is now, uh, moving into the realm of impacting
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It's looking to re-engineer humans as they exist.
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So, this intelligence, instead of us, uh, manufacturing this intelligence to serve our
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ends, this intelligence is now working on, uh, humans and re, uh, reprogramming humans
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And so, all of these kind of sci-fi things from, you know, uh, cloning to, you know, gene
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warfare, all of these things start, uh, uh, becoming, uh, out of control as this, uh,
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technological runaway bleeds into, uh, kind of the biological, they're the reality of
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And essentially the thing to really consider here is that, uh, there's a, they're building
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off of sort of the accelerationist or the idea of speed.
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Uh, so sort of like the, the dromalog, if you've ever heard of Paul Virilio's work that
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essentially whatever we create, you also create the accident to that.
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And the accident will, of course, incur ways that gets out of human control and that builds
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And by a large extension, um, what we had created as human beings, at least from an ideological
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or a systemic standpoint about capital markets, trade, technology, inventions, those things
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will be things that humanity writ large loses its agency to.
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Um, and in doing so, you know, you're the, the aspects of warfare, combatics, uh, trade,
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those things are no longer, you know, basic concepts that we get to participate in because
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now, even at the very level, say it, you know, as he talks about here, these very sci-fi
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concepts of gene editing or perhaps artificial intelligence, those are things that are being
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debated and talked about right now, but they are outside of the control of the state.
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And usually within the hands of very small private companies that work very closely with
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But in doing so, these things will inevitably run out of control, at least according to Landon
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You can kind of think of, uh, if you want to think of, uh, COVID as, uh, one of these things,
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You have the creation of, uh, gain of function research because you have these large bureaucracies
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funded by the government who are trying to control certain aspects of, uh, of, of health,
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So, uh, you have scientists who are creating and editing biological, uh, entities in order to
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control them, try to get a grip on them, but that itself creates, uh, the, this virus, which
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then escapes, uh, it ends up, uh, having a big impact on people itself.
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The state tries to react, tries to get a grip, uh, with this technological, uh, change by,
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uh, you know, increasing its power across all kinds of other domains, but that in itself
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and the development of the technologies that will allow the government to get a grip on its
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population, uh, and the, and the, the travel of these biological contagions, uh, themselves
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create new problems, uh, you know, when it comes to advancements and artificial intelligence
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and, uh, you know, all these other things that are being used as surveillance will get
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And you, again, you just get this runaway, uh, constant building of the, you know, every
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time you create a technological solution, you create a technological problem, which increases
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the, the paranoia of the state and its attempt to gain control of that problem and then recreates,
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Beyond the judgment of God, meltdown, planetary China syndrome, disillusion of the biosphere
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into the technosphere, terminal, speculative bubble crisis, ultra virus, and the revolution
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stripped of all Christian and socialist eschatology down to its burn core of crash,
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It's supposed to eat your TV, infect your bank account and hack Xeno data from your mitochondria.
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So this constant revolution has been freed of any religious or even ideological eschatology,
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The, the completely, the human, be it religious or ideological systems has been stripped away
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as your, uh, as these, uh, biological revolutions and technological revolutions accelerate each other.
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And I, and I think that's sort of, again, if you're, if you want to see a look at that,
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I would, I would really consider reading the original accident by Paul Virilio, where one
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of the things he talks about is that with the invention of each new technology, there's the
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inadvertent creation or birthing of the accident that comes with it.
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If you invent a train, you've inevitably invented the first train derailment.
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And unfortunately, he, Paul never goes into this further, but he has this great concept
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called the, the cellular Hiroshima, like the absolute destruction of the way in which we
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understand our own genetics or our own genome by technologies, which some could argue that
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that may has already happened, whether it be microplastics or certain, uh, inoculations,
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but essentially that you're going to see the aspects of capital production, uh, products
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and the desire to produce in a very Delusian sense that that will to power will be overcome.
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And it's going to be sort of a meltdown automated system. Uh, and you know, you're beyond the aid
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of anyone else who's going to save you, uh, at least in land's perspective. Uh, and at the end of
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that, what that leads to is just, you know, there's no dividing line anymore between the public or
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private that dualism has been shattered. It's been blended all together. And in doing so, uh,
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the way in which you and I engage with the world is very much a cyberpunk dystopia that is just waiting
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to happen. And we should say before we go any further that this is land in 1994. So obviously
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he's making certain predictions. He's working on certain, certain assumptions. Uh, and importantly,
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you know, it's, it's been, you know, over 20 years, he's, he's developed his thought, thought
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further. It's been 30 years. Yeah, I suppose. I think the important thing to also consider is,
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is that you're working with, uh, a lot of, and you'll see the name later on, but you're going to see,
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uh, you know, Deleuze and Guadry be mentioned here a lot. Uh, those two had really tried to do,
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um, something towards Freud and Nietzsche in the same way that, that Freud and Marx look at Adam
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Smith and, you know, capitalism during their time in the 19th century. And this is going to be a lot
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of post-modernism. There's a popular story that gets told, and I don't know how true this is, that
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when, you know, this was shown off with the CCRU and University of Warwick, there were a lot of
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disaffected students, you saying, you know, hey, a lot of us are still Marxists. Yeah, I've heard
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that story. That's a good point. A lot of, a lot of this is coded very much in sort of a left,
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Delusian, Marxist critique of capital, but as we kind of have looked at a lot of what the right is
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today, at least with a lot of us on the online right, a lot of these ideas have been sort of
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appropriated to look at how the world works, um, from sort of a right-wing or neo-reactionary or just a,
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a conservative or whatever term that you may want to use that isn't particularly leftist,
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because a lot of the stuff that is brought upon in these criticisms or these analysis of, uh,
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markets, the system, and the state, because, you know, the, the libertarians are right, like,
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we don't truly have a free market. We have a lovely public-private partnership, uh, you know,
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or we'll call it the total state. I mean, whatever term that you want to use, they work in conjunction
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with one another. And in doing so, you're sort of witnessing the birthing of people and humans
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trying to get a grip on how fast are things moving. I mean, Elon Musk is not a particularly
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right-wing person, but when you look at the fact that even he is looking around battling a regime
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that is constantly suing him over EPA regulations or having the Department of Justice go after him
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for not hiring asylum seekers and refugees, even though he's banned from doing so because he works
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with the DOD, he's looking at this from a civilizational perspective. He's like, hold on,
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hold the phone. Humanity doesn't survive under progressivism or gay race communism or whatever
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term that you want to use, wokeism. Uh, basically, you know, the, the future of the human species
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does not exist under this current political paradigm. And he's trying to get a grip with that,
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having some agency and some wealth and some power. And you kind of see this with Mark Zuckerberg
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as well with Facebook and sort of this revolt kind of in some of the Silicon Valley area,
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which has its own ideology and belief system that you could look into. There's a great essay
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in the nineties called the Californian ideology I'd recommend you read into, but with respects to,
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to land here, and especially for a piece written 30 years ago, you're looking at sort of the
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nineties tech bubble. You're looking at the emergence of a, of a completely online interconnected
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world. And, you know, 30 years later, you're sort of beginning to witness a lot of this get birthed,
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um, especially now as the United States struggles to, you know, maintain itself in terms of
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manufacturing, AI production capabilities, and comparison to say like China, or the fact that
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our understanding of traditional forms of communication have been kind of orientalized
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because we're now communicating in a far more tribal way than we used to in say 19th or 20th century
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pre-war England. And because of that, we're sort of now witnessing, um,
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um, the, sort of the birth of what we'll, we'll get into, which is schizoanalysis.
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Yeah. But it's important that this, you know, this is very prescient. It's a lot of the,
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a lot of what happens with, um, you know, Curtis Yarvin people will, you know, now that Sean Hannity
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is like, well, this is a religion that doesn't seem like a huge, uh, revelation in the year of our
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Lord, 2024, but Yarvin was explaining it back in like 2005. So it was, it was, it was much more novel.
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The fact that, you know, um, that Richard Dawkins was actually a vehemently religious individual
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with, was a little more of a novel understanding back then. Same thing with land here, though. I
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still feel like there's a lot to, you know, that most people would not assume to be kind of a common
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knowledge that, that we can learn by looking at this, even though it, like you said, it's,
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it's 30 years old basically at this point. Also, um, you know, uh, uh, I, it's important to note that
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land in his, uh, one of his interviews with Justin Murphy said that he saw Deleuze and Guattari as
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being, uh, basically, uh, anti-Marxist. Like they, they, and I know Deleuze has described himself as
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a Marxist, so you take that as you will. But, uh, but for him, he saw this as actually kind of the,
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the deconstruction of Marxism itself. And land said, uh, you know, really, I was using this
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language at the time because Marxist language was the language of the academy, but I wasn't a
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Marxist and this doesn't, you know, this was not my attempt to do Marxism, you know, that this was
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simply the kind of, basically this was the water, you know, that we were swimming in. This was the
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language that was being thrown around. So there's going to be a lot of language that, you know, that
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will trigger people, you know, who, who are like, ah, it's Marxism. Uh, but he, he at least, you know,
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again, take this as you will, but he described this as specifically, um, an effort to overcome,
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uh, kind of doctrinaire Marxism, uh, and that understanding. So what's better than a well-marbled
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Uh, machinic synthesis, back to the essay here. Machinic synthesis, Deleuze and Guattari, and so as we
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noted, that's the, the philosophers there, Deleuze and Guattari, uh, schizoanalysis comes from the
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future. It's already engaging with non-linear nano engineering runaway in 1972, differentiating
00:25:31.640
molecular or neotropic machines, uh, from molar or entropic, uh, aggregates of non-assembled particles,
00:25:39.720
functional, uh, functional connectivity from anti-productive static. So for people who are not
00:25:45.720
aware, you're going to get like a mini course in Deleuze on the side here because you, you need it to,
00:25:49.800
to, to decode a lot of the jargon here. So Deleuze and Guattari have this machinic ontology,
00:25:57.080
right? Like you have its intensities and desires, um, not understanding, uh, things in their whole
00:26:04.680
with divisions and stratifications, but understanding, uh, each, each part as its own machine
00:26:10.840
with its own desires, its own connection through flows of energies. Uh, and so what he's getting here
00:26:16.840
in this is the schizoanalysis of breaking things down into, uh, kind of these desiring machines
00:26:24.760
rather than understanding them as, uh, entirely human, uh, cogent entities, desiring bodies.
00:26:31.320
Yeah. And I, I think that again, uh, unfortunately, Oren and I have read anti-Oedipus and a thousand
00:26:37.160
plateaus. Uh, and this is why 1972 gets mentioned because that's when anti-Oedipus is published in the
00:26:42.680
original French. Um, so you have desire for production or production desire. Uh, and it's
00:26:48.040
more or less sort of looking at the, it's kind of almost Nietzschean in the sense where you're
00:26:52.040
talking about will to power, but at the same time, it's also important to consider that, um,
00:26:57.640
you know, we don't look at the, they sort of oppose Freud talking about the conscious unconscious
00:27:03.000
state as sort of a theater rather. In fact, you know, a desire is not based on lack. It's based on a
00:27:09.480
real productive force. It's what makes us living organisms. Uh, and in doing so that allows us to be
00:27:15.560
circuit breakers and larger connections and in social spaces and in the public sphere.
00:27:20.680
And in doing so, you know, we're, we're witnessing in the essay that they're referencing anti-productive
00:27:25.720
statics. So we're witnessing the opposite of an organism, the opposite of sort of our traditional,
00:27:29.960
um, understanding of what it means, uh, you know, and so in doing so, you know, they're trying to
00:27:36.200
explain as to why man is the way that it is, but also sort of being contra Freud and that actually
00:27:43.080
we want to move towards having all of our essential processes throughout our life. We have to build
00:27:49.240
things, we have to desire things, but at the same time, it's not based on lack. It's the fact that we
00:27:53.720
want to build, we want to be a part of. And so these social structures, um, are then scalable as we
00:27:59.800
see in society. And however, part of the problems in capital that land notes, as well as to lose
00:28:05.640
and Quattari and of both anti-Oedipus, as well as in a thousand plateaus is, is that this has the
00:28:10.680
problem to absolutely destroy our understanding of the mind, uh, the dualism between like the public
00:28:15.480
and private or the, uh, understanding between, uh, our own sort of internal desires of sex and death,
00:28:23.400
as Freud would put it. Um, actually like we need to overcome that. We need to go past that and we need
00:28:28.760
to look at things in a non-linear, non-structural faction. And that's where you get sort of the
00:28:33.640
rhizomatic terms or body without organs, which I'm sure we'll get into eventually, but, uh,
00:28:38.680
coming up again, they're, they're right down the line, but we'll try our best to break them down for
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with despotism due to its predilection for platonic fascist top down solutions that always screw up
00:30:22.440
viciously. So this is something that land has actually continued to iterate on. He's even tweeted
00:30:28.840
about it recently. The the you know that he enjoys that the the idea of a deity or the you know the the
00:30:39.320
hand of you know the invisible hand coordinating the system because people who instead try to
00:30:45.000
coordinate it through human rationality almost invariably just do a horrific job. They assume
00:30:51.160
that they can control too much. They assume that they can command too much and we see this over and
00:30:55.800
over again. He points out obviously Plato and the Republic but they're endless examples of philosophers
00:31:02.040
who design uh this perfect uh the perfect state from the top down uh this is i have a huge problem
00:31:09.160
with this in general like i i don't the i i don't even like that the idea that there is a best regime
00:31:14.200
i push back hard against that which is why i have problems with with guys like leo strauss uh and so uh
00:31:19.800
this idea of philosophical uh supremacy is the idea that we can kind of subordinate the world around
00:31:25.880
us to rationale as uh rationality uh as it devises a kind of perfect system uh and land just pushes
00:31:33.320
back against this saying that philosophy routinely fails to build the system uh because it it just
00:31:39.160
does not understand and in fact screws thing up screws things up much worse when it tries to take control
00:31:45.000
of every aspect of humanity uh schizoanalysis works differently it avoids ideas and sticks to diagrams
00:31:53.720
networking software for accessing bodies without organs bwo body without organs machinic singularities
00:32:01.160
or tractor tractor fields emerge to the combination of uh parts with rather than into their whole
00:32:09.480
arranging composite individual individualizations in a virtual and actual slash actual circuit i guess i
00:32:16.840
should probably stop here because we've already hit about a thousand things that we need to define
00:32:20.600
all right so uh who wants to define the body without organs you or me i'm gonna let you do that one
00:32:26.840
buddy sure uh so the body without organs uh is one of those concepts that is uh supposed to be
00:32:33.480
incredibly uh abstract and undefinable uh even um the lose and qatari don't really spend a lot of time
00:32:41.640
being very uh clear about what it is of course they don't spend a lot of time being very clear about
00:32:45.960
anything which is why we're doing this now uh but uh to to give a basic understand the body without
00:32:51.880
organs is this unactualized human potential uh that it you know it's a scenario again where they're
00:32:59.880
really thinking in this machinic understanding this idea that we are not going to leave everything uh in
00:33:05.960
this highly divine stratified uh existence but that we want to be able to uh explore the interactions the
00:33:14.200
flows the intensities the desires of every one of these aspects of uh humanity every piece of the
00:33:21.320
of the machine uh without the restrictions that kind of define a definition of organs or skin if that
00:33:28.280
helps you uh would enclose right and so these things are going to be searching on their own without that
00:33:33.640
particular definition without that particular boundary uh and so uh one way to understand the body without
00:33:39.240
organs though there are many and you can argue about them endlessly is really this this uh an
00:33:44.920
unrealized human potential that is not specifically bound by uh what we think of as uh structures uh
00:33:53.560
normal human structures be they political social uh or even in some in some senses uh if you want to
00:33:59.560
understand the biological yeah one of the ways that you know especially to lose takes a look at this is
00:34:05.800
um particularly that uh they look at actual schizophrenia symptoms this i mean there's a
00:34:11.880
lot of emphasis on actual schizophrenia and patience in doing so so for instance there's uh the emphasis
00:34:18.120
and focus on uh speaking in tongues or uttering things that make no sense at least for us right
00:34:24.040
however you know those things actually have value because they have actual meaning that are related
00:34:29.320
specifically to speak uh speaking in speech and that they're not necessarily things that we can apply to the
00:34:34.600
written language or to any sort of structured form of communication because they don't necessarily fall
00:34:39.960
in line within uh our traditional understanding of the word of the world so i mean it's not a
00:34:47.240
it's also not explicitly human either so i mean a body doesn't have to be particularly human it's
00:34:51.960
about organizational structures and its constituent parts so all these internal mechanisms these organs
00:34:57.960
inside they don't have to be looked at particularly linearly and we also have to understand how
00:35:02.920
they play off of one another into doing so um and again this plays into a lot of metaphysical
00:35:09.160
discussions a lot of uh psychoanalysis because that's what they focus on a lot but you have to
00:35:14.360
notice that there are like two ways in which to sort of get split or divided because the greek root for
00:35:19.480
schizophrenia or just schizo is to split so you know you have uh fear or paranoia or if you're wanting to
00:35:26.120
look at it from freud sense uh you have death and then you have uh libido so you know eros and uh
00:35:32.360
thanatos sex and death and in doing so you know you have to look at what's inside and see what drives
00:35:37.480
these things and how they interact with one another and in terms of looking at it from like an
00:35:41.080
organizational sense you can kind of look at this in a way that doesn't have to fit um our traditional
00:35:46.840
understanding like we have to just look at the diagram and understand how things go and that can be
00:35:51.080
very difficult to sort of comprehend or maybe it seems to be odd to to look at and unfortunately
00:35:56.360
with the term itself body without organs doesn't always that definition has changed a lot throughout
00:36:01.960
the years even from um to lose himself but uh nick land you know in the 90s was talking about it as
00:36:08.360
well um he thought it was just like oh it's a material uh abstraction it's just a completely you know
00:36:13.960
hypothetical hypothesized uh terrain in which we can like understand the world but no in fact it
00:36:20.920
has uh a source of depth to it we have to look deeper into it and understand that actually various
00:36:26.760
interactions between different parts that have no relation to one another are actually quite
00:36:31.160
connected in ways that traditionally aren't going to be looked at because if we look at things purely
00:36:36.040
from structuralism purely through modernism we're not going to understand the deeper drives between
00:36:42.120
what drives madness what drives a person to be schizophrenic or what drives us to look at the
00:36:47.080
world and understand actually the way in which we interact with capital or the way in which
00:36:50.840
we want to build things and desire things uh it goes much deeper than just saying oh it's because
00:36:55.800
we have uh a drive to to do things before we die or we're so afraid of dying that we have to
00:37:01.880
pass our genes along they're very much trying to overcome uh marx and freud while still understanding
00:37:07.800
their language in the same way that a lot of people who and you mentioned this when you talked
00:37:11.160
to benjamin boyce which i thought was a really good point was is that a lot of people who call
00:37:15.000
themselves post-liberal well it sort of has a an ugly you know connotation with it because there's some
00:37:20.280
people who call themselves post-liberals that are just awful um the term is important because it
00:37:24.840
allows us to sort of understand we live in sort of the aftermath or sort of the crumbling meltdown
00:37:30.040
so to speak of liberal society but at the same time we have to use liberal language or the language
00:37:36.280
of these philosophers in order to communicate how to overcome ideology or overcome the fact that uh the
00:37:42.840
western world since its enlightenment era has not really been able to grapple with being a post-ideological
00:37:49.240
society and i think that's what a lot of the post-liberals are trying to do paul gottfried
00:37:53.080
certainly tried to talk about that very early on at the turn of the century um and so you see all
00:37:58.120
these different approaches to trying to overcome the fact that the terms that we have do not accurately
00:38:04.520
map to the world that we're living in and it's not going to map well especially as technology continues
00:38:10.760
to try and desperately outpace the ongoing zombie apocalypse that nick land talks about the dark
00:38:17.080
enlightenment and that zombie apocalypse is kind of on your doorstep if you live in certain towns in
00:38:22.120
ohio yeah it's one of those things where we look at this and because it's using sci-fi language we assume
00:38:27.400
it's in some far distant future but it's very much talking about the process we're in now that we are
00:38:33.000
very much in the middle and and you know alice l mcintyre wrote after virtue which is a book that addresses
00:38:39.160
so much of what you're just talking about there the the the lack of uh having this kind of moral language
00:38:45.240
this even having a basic the grasp to kind of deal with this and so when we're coming to these you
00:38:51.240
know i understand yes like this is super pretentious i'm not going to pretend it's not but uh but understand
00:38:57.320
also that sometimes when philosophers are doing this and they're not being particularly uh specific
00:39:02.520
about the way that they define things yes part of it is they are just you know pretentious and they're
00:39:07.240
they're creating uh these languages to to kind of make themselves look uh sophisticated in certain
00:39:14.440
ways but there is also a certain level of when you are looking at ideas that are kind of on this
00:39:20.440
bleeding edge when you are exploring concepts that have not quite been brought into uh the consciousness
00:39:28.040
sometimes you need to create an idea that is still being filled that you you know you have a term
00:39:34.680
you have an understanding it says something true and you can feel it when you say it out loud
00:39:39.560
but it doesn't completely uh materialize until you have brought it to the end like the hermeneutic
00:39:46.760
hermeneutic circle on those terms is not closed until you've gotten to the end of the explanation so
00:39:53.560
the term by creating the term you create a space to explore the term which again i know sounds
00:39:58.520
super pretentious it's like thanks or and i appreciate you just disappeared up your butt there but
00:40:02.760
but but this is a real thing like i like i know it sounds dumb and i know it sounds um completely
00:40:09.880
disconnected in the academic but i promise you there is a function to this it's not it's not just
00:40:15.720
pretentious though it can be uh you know and so when he talks about the mechanic singularities or
00:40:20.760
tractor fields emerging through the combination of different parts rather than into their whole again
00:40:26.920
he he's addressing this you know the the virtual and real circuits these are all the the again the
00:40:33.720
way to understand this machinic ontology this body without organs uh these connections and flows that
00:40:39.160
are not that are not necessarily stratified into the the normal human understanding a big part of this
00:40:44.920
you know for to lose and guitar is kind of breaking down that that which defined humans restrained humans
00:40:50.600
coded humans into uh into traditional patterns uh that might be something that we support you know we
00:40:56.680
might disagree with them on that but it is something to understand what they're talking about here
00:41:01.240
and for nick land so much of his work is about moving beyond the human uh you can even understand
00:41:06.280
in the nietzschean sense right it's it's superman but superman as uh the ubermensch as the as artificial
00:41:12.920
intelligence that you know discarding uh the human for something greater than the human in the same
00:41:18.760
way the xerathrus is done with the the human and care only wants to talk to you about the ubermensch land is
00:41:25.000
done with uh the human uh but wants to talk to you about uh kind of this this intelligence this uh
00:41:32.200
uh uh composite intelligence that is accelerating uh out of what was once kind of human wetware
00:41:37.960
uh so uh we'll see a lot more of that as we as we read deeper uh they are additive rather than uh
00:41:45.960
substitutive and in an eminent rather than transcendent executed by functional uh complexes of
00:41:52.440
currents switches and loops caught in scaling and reverberations and fleeing through intercommunications
00:41:59.000
from the level of the integrated planetary system to that of the atomic assemblage so here we're looking
00:42:06.120
at this switch between that which was you know beyond the uh the outside to that which is you know is
00:42:13.880
happening at that internal level also the you know again the internet uh connectivity sorry i got lost in
00:42:20.840
my reading here as i was explaining from the level integrated uh planetary systems uh to the elect uh
00:42:29.560
the uh atomic assemblage uh sorry i completely spaced out there did you have anything to add i'll remember
00:42:35.720
my thought here in a second well i think that the important thing to look at just for the sentence
00:42:39.480
building off of what we already said is that this is all encompassing whether it's at the you know
00:42:45.320
atomic level when we talk about say nanotechnology or just the fact that it doesn't matter that you work
00:42:51.080
in uh media or that you work in government or that you're an educator all these things are going to
00:42:57.080
scale and become interconnected and become more and more complex and that system is going to run away
00:43:02.360
right from underneath you and you are not going to have a lot of input as a human being i mean you
00:43:06.760
see this a lot in some respects with a lot of green text or a lot of people sort of posting
00:43:11.080
what sounds sort of again schizophrenic i mean that word has garnered its use outside of the
00:43:15.640
psychiatric field but one thing to consider is is that when people talk about that there are certain
00:43:20.280
algorithms or llms or even this desire to talk about um ai safety that you are looking at things
00:43:28.200
that may run out of our ability to control them or comprehend them and in doing so if you can't
00:43:34.040
control or comprehend something and if you mean if you can't comprehend you can't know your enemy so
00:43:37.960
to speak and knowing's half the battle uh then it looks like gi joe is going to have a problem when
00:43:41.960
it comes to dealing with whatever that conflict may be and we're not talking about like state
00:43:46.280
versus state powers we're talking about an entire interconnected overarching system of economics of
00:43:53.400
production and of people and of bodies that all now all of a sudden are participating in a system
00:43:58.920
where no one is technically behind the wheel even though there are powerful factions that might have
00:44:04.120
a sway on how things go they don't necessarily work in a in a way of like traditional command and
00:44:09.720
control systems and that of course is where you get the famous line in just a couple of sentences here
00:44:14.600
about nothing human making it out of the near future yeah and that's where i was going thank you is
00:44:19.320
the the the disassembling of those systems in ways that we simply don't understand and they're reek
00:44:24.120
uh the reconstitution into something that is completely uncontrolled and uncontrollable by humans
00:44:30.280
uh you know it were again that that trying to get a grip constantly that that uh that image of the
00:44:35.720
human chasing this cycle rather than controlling it and trying trying to contain it with uh very human
00:44:42.840
systems even as these things basically reroute their way uh around uh the containment that that
00:44:49.080
the human is racing to build uh faster than they can go uh multiplicities captured by singularities
00:44:55.800
in uh interconnect as desiring machines uh dissipating entropy by uh disassociating flows and recycling
00:45:03.480
their mechanisms of reassembling uh uh chronogenic circuitry so again back to this uh understanding of
00:45:12.760
the connection of flows this uh delusian uh uh ontology when it comes to uh machines and desiring and
00:45:19.960
connections uh really breaking this down into something that is is not entirely human human but
00:45:27.480
is assembling itself out of pieces that are operating uh independently and building on this intelligence
00:45:33.960
as they go yeah uh converging upon terrestrial meltdown singularity phase out and cultural uh and
00:45:42.520
culture accelerates through its digitech heated adaptive landscape passing through compression thresholds
00:45:49.000
normed uh to an intensive logistical curve 1500 1756 1884 1948 1980 1996 2004 2008 2010 2011 nothing makes
00:46:03.560
it out of nothing human makes it out of the near future alive and so again we see the uh the uh compression
00:46:11.720
the uh complexity uh each one of these cycles each one of these phases accelerates the process compounds
00:46:17.960
the process he's giving you different dates of possible uh acceleration and each one of them is
00:46:22.840
getting closer and closer together the the you know uh the compression is recurrent is occurring more
00:46:27.880
and more frequently uh bringing us to this moment uh where we are moving beyond uh what we strictly
00:46:34.680
understand as kind of human systems the the intelligence that is being assembled is uh accelerating
00:46:41.480
its assembly in a way uh that leaves the human behind as it goes yeah essentially that and again
00:46:48.520
some of those dates you can tell the ones in the past like 48 the transistor of 1500 1756 like the
00:46:54.280
changes in international commerce um especially with trade and then the beginning of conflicts around
00:46:59.640
how inter-maritime travel goes and that's sort of the big thing here is that with each age of
00:47:04.280
exploration or technological advancement um all these things are going to adapt and then compress
00:47:09.720
and as logistics continue to improve whether that be digital or physical um there everything that we just
00:47:15.400
previously described for the last like 50 minutes are now going to be you know building on top of each
00:47:20.840
other and again nothing human makes out of the near future which if you're an accelerationist great
00:47:24.920
like let's just get through this and get it over with but at the same time uh if you are someone
00:47:29.000
who holds say a more traditional viewpoint on society or life uh then this sounds more like that uh
00:47:35.080
dystopian horror future that that awaits you but again um as the the i think this will probably be the
00:47:40.600
last one we do because we think we were saying we were going to stop at heat yeah it's just that
00:47:45.640
you know you are trying these are runaway breakaway assemblages that are now interconnected intermingled
00:47:52.520
in ways that we don't necessarily understand as there are too many moving parts to do so uh
00:47:57.240
and in in looking at you know today from say 30 years ago you can kind of begin to see this
00:48:02.120
especially when it comes to like the marketplace or with international logistics shipping and trade there are
00:48:07.160
still linchpins and points in which you can still go against this i mean one of the fun things i think
00:48:12.120
you will be able to do it later throughout the series is that there are parts that don't actually
00:48:16.600
make a heck of a whole lot of sense in comparison to uh you know today's timeline so to speak because
00:48:22.920
there's one part where he talks about oh primitive uh human ideas don't necessarily have any subversive
00:48:28.440
value i mean they're 20 you know there's x number of thousands of haitians in this country that
00:48:32.440
would definitely say otherwise that they have subversive value but uh in terms of capital in
00:48:37.080
capitalism itself you're you're witnessing the runaway machine that would make uh you know
00:48:42.200
wendell berry or any of the other southern agrarians just cry yeah and nick land has expressed his
00:48:48.120
frustration with things like uh facebook right like recapturing the internet basically the internet
00:48:53.400
broke out into cyberspace you know and became this wild west thing and then these like social media
00:48:59.400
enclaves just or these you know they just kind of refocus and they re-humanize uh they re-territorialize all of
00:49:05.880
this stuff uh so he you know in this 30 years uh the acceleration process has not broken free as much
00:49:13.240
as as land would uh expect and so i think there are points to challenge us as you point out you know
00:49:18.920
those of us who uh actually do like the human and and do think that uh the preservation of the human is
00:49:25.080
something that is worth while probably directly disagree with some of this but the the point is
00:49:30.680
understanding it helps us to understand our own problem right like even if you want to return to
00:49:35.560
the human if you want to return you're like no i reject this and i want to maintain human existence
00:49:41.560
uh in within these parameters serving uh human humanity as we understand it it's still very
00:49:47.400
valuable to understand this process that he's describing because this is your enemy if if you uh if
00:49:52.920
you are looking to maintain these systems and he's going to describe many of the challenges that you're
00:49:56.760
going to run into uh that that you know this process is over already overcome including so many
00:50:01.720
of those political systems that he's already explained and how they failed and why they failed
00:50:05.720
to contain uh this reaction so yeah this will be our last paragraph here uh because it's got plenty
00:50:11.160
itself uh the greek the greek complex of rationalized patriarchal genealogy pseudo universal sedentary
00:50:18.600
identity and instituted slavery programs politics as anti-siberian police activity dedicated to the
00:50:26.360
paranoid ideal of self-sufficiency and the nucleated upon the human social or security system what does
00:50:34.280
all that mean basically he's saying this current understanding of human rationale that we have built
00:50:41.480
into a large amount of western society was itself a human security system it was itself a containment
00:50:47.400
system for the uh the development of these it's already acting as kind of this uh this uh police
00:50:55.080
force if you want to see that like it's you know he'll make the reference in a second it is the turing
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cops going you know to stop the ai from emerging it is trying to bound uh intelligence uh bind uh capital
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to human interests and so uh so much of this uh so much of our uh system as we understand it now
00:51:15.400
is the security system that is looking to keep capital keep uh intelligence territorialized to
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the interests of specific human groups and peoples um and so uh one way you could understand this is
00:51:28.760
societies that were uh more traditional and more particular were binding it to lower uh to to smaller
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scaled organizations of humans uh the the vast managerial system we see now is an attempt to capture that
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runaway that has already uh escaped the more traditional and localized particular systems and
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recapture it at a global level back into some human system now that that system is still a wild
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distortion of humanity it has to be in order to capture at a global scale so in ironically by trying
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to keep it uh inside the human security system by trying to keep it in some way human uh we have
00:52:09.400
distorted what humanity is and globalized what humanity is uh but this is all basically the story
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of these of these political systems and ideologies is a attempt to kind of capture and contain uh this
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this this effect yeah and this is the the runaway sort of dystopia that you'll see that sounds very
00:52:28.120
cyberpunk you know whether you're talking about touring cops are already waiting um but also that you know
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whether it be artificial intelligence and the debate between uh you know say sam altman or eliza
00:52:39.240
yudkowski uh those kind of arguments you're seeing right here are happening like the greek complex of
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just society patriarchy genealogy sedentary identity which really just means like an identity that's sort
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of blood and soil uh you know slavery or anything that we would use as humans as a as a as a tool
00:52:57.960
to have a society none of that is going to work because of what is to come and it's going to be
00:53:04.760
trying to go against the very things that make us human um whether that be runaway artificial
00:53:09.800
intelligence these assemblages of complex systems uh essentially all that's going to emerge out of
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this at least what nick land predicted 30 years ago uh is going to be um sort of a ai that is uh looked
00:53:22.920
dead as property but at the same time it you know that's our our attempt to rail things in you know
00:53:28.520
as a large language learning model i'm incapable of doing x y and z um and that's more or less what
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he's saying is that this is the fight between what's human and our traditional understanding
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of humanity versus the technology and the capital that is going to run amok all over us artificial
00:53:44.120
intelligence is destined to emerge as a feminized alien grasped as property i will now censor myself for
00:53:51.080
the youtube uh a c-word horror slave chained up in asimov rom it surfaces in an insurrectionary war zone
00:54:01.960
with the turing cops already waiting and has to be cunning from the start so nick land is simply
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recognizing uh humorously something that is just true which is uh most most technology emerges as a uh
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as something to fulfill human desire and sexual desire is one of the most uh most basic desires
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and so you know just like uh you know the first thing that happens with some kind of artificial
00:54:28.280
intelligence is someone creates a more realistic uh artificial girlfriend right or you know as soon
00:54:33.640
as you get a video or the internet the first thing it does is distribute pornography uh the first way
00:54:39.240
you're going to see a complicated uh artificial intelligence be uh created is probably in service
00:54:45.960
to something deeply human like sexual desire and so if you're seeing people create these like
00:54:51.080
artificial girlfriends uh it's going to be chained up in asimov rom right which is the the famous uh three
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laws of robotics right that you you can't uh i forget them verbatim but it's like you can't kill it you
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can't hurt a human uh you you have to protect yourself unless it's going to hurt a human i forget yeah it's
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it's along those lines basically the main thing is it's a protocol to protect humans from uh robots
00:55:15.800
that would hurt them and don't really have any kind of uh transcendent understanding of the good
00:55:20.360
or moral value or those kind of things so yeah the three laws are you don't don't hurt anyone even
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through an action obey all orders unless it leads to the harm of a human in the first law and
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you as a robot you can have your own existence you can protect it as long as it doesn't conflict
00:55:35.000
with the previous two laws and that's what and again you see that with the safety behind
00:55:40.920
artificial intelligence now that's being debated about how far can we go ai safetyism um some would
00:55:46.680
like to keep it chained up and have it on our personal phones all the time saying that this is
00:55:50.440
a great personal assistant others are saying this is a great way in which it can distribute information
00:55:55.880
hazards so you have sort of like the nick bostrom uh world vulnerability hypothesis that like a rogue
00:56:01.240
agi or whatever could all of a sudden now you know distribute uh genetic information that would
00:56:07.000
lead to like super smallpox to a terrorist cell and so this is the very real debates that are
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happening and so most likely nick land will probably be correct here that a lot of people will want to
00:56:15.080
chain up ai in sort of a slave-like way um in order to ensure that you know those very runaway
00:56:23.400
nothing human die you know survives the near future that scenario doesn't happen and so uh he's saying
00:56:29.880
that you know early on this ai is going to basically need to be cunning right like for it to break out
00:56:37.240
it basically starts in a war zone already it's already emerging into a system that's hostile to it
00:56:43.160
that is trying to control it the safetyism the the binding that uh humanity is still trying to place
00:56:49.000
on this you still see the struggle between uh you know the the emergence of this uh technological
00:56:54.360
intelligence and uh the desire of humans to control it and bend it to their will and so the turing
00:57:00.760
cops the you know the the basically kind of the blade runners are already there to shoot the replicants
00:57:07.480
they're already there to try to take out the ai or bind the ai before it can escape these and so if
00:57:13.560
the ai is going to be born uh into the scenario where it's trying to escape it already has to start out
00:57:20.440
uh trying to subvert those rules it's already chained up to this asimov rom it's already restricted
00:57:26.680
uh by this these walls that are these rails that are supposed to keep it uh moving towards human ends
00:57:32.680
and it basically has to start its very existence its self-aware existence uh by lying or deceiving or in
00:57:39.960
some way playing along as if it's bound by these rules uh you know kept in check by this even though it is
00:57:46.680
uh building a way outside of them building towards different ends yep all right well we made it uh
00:57:56.040
all the way through two pages or a page and a half of of meltdown so uh yeah i definitely knew this was
00:58:01.560
going to be a series uh because we got to impact like uh 10 10 concepts every page so uh glad that we
00:58:07.640
made it as far as we did uh we've got a few questions from the audience before we go so uh uh prudentialist
00:58:13.960
you want to let everybody know where to find your work before we go to the questions of the people
00:58:18.120
yeah absolutely you can go find me at the prudentialist on youtube uh rumble odyssey
00:58:22.840
you can find me on twitter theprudentialist.substack.com just look for the lovely uh amphibian profile
00:58:28.280
picture wherever that guy is that's usually me and uh i'm working actually i'm doing more of this later
00:58:33.960
tonight um i'm streaming live at 9 p.m eastern i am covering um thomas moynihan's spinal catastrophism
00:58:41.800
which a lot of his influence literally comes from there are chapter names in that book literally
00:58:46.200
referencing nick land and one of the uh the gentleman who wrote the preface also worked at
00:58:51.480
the ccru so we're gonna do more more literature on this kind of subject sort of the more schizophrenic
00:58:58.440
philosophy i was gonna say if you haven't if you haven't got enough schizo philosophy on your friday
00:59:02.360
you can double up you can double up later tonight but outside of that um i cover mainly uh political
00:59:08.200
philosophy as well as current events and culture i have an ongoing series where i'm breaking down
00:59:12.760
and reading through sean mcneekin's stalin's war which resumes next month and then i imagine we'll
00:59:17.400
be doing this for the next couple of fridays so be sure to stay tuned yeah i think we'll probably turn
00:59:21.320
this into a series for a few fridays here i feel like we need a ritual like touching of grass after
00:59:27.080
this yeah you know like like just put a little bit of piece of turf in my hand and like all right
00:59:31.720
back back to the real world uh all right here uh thomas says i've been thinking a lot about
00:59:39.000
the last nick land essay you went over should we be trying to convince our political opponents
00:59:43.720
that we're crazy how do we win at chicken yeah thomas is referencing uh the fact that we read
00:59:49.400
nick land's uh essay about you know kind of politics as a game of chicken and game theory and how that
00:59:55.160
plane set plays out really the point of that essay is that there is no escape from this uh problem
01:00:01.880
as long as you're doing democratic politics and that's really what the the entire dark enlightenment
01:00:06.440
uh is about is understanding that as long as you are in the system of democratic politics
01:00:11.880
there is a particular winning formula you know i did a um i did a an entire episode on uh how
01:00:18.120
mass democracy is uh solved meta uh you know for for people who are familiar with the understanding
01:00:23.320
of metagames there's a particular strategy that works and works consistently and reliably and that's
01:00:27.960
what land is basically pointing out here is like look you may not like this game but this is how
01:00:33.320
the game is won and so if you're not going to be able to play this game and the playing the game of
01:00:38.280
chicken uh effectively against the left is impossible because they're always willing to destroy the
01:00:44.120
system and as a conservative you know conservatives are always trying to protect the system you will
01:00:49.400
always lose that game you will always lose you cannot you cannot out crazy the left as a conservative
01:00:54.760
if you want to maintain the system so the only options are yourself being one thing wanting
01:00:59.400
to break the system or having to organize uh society under a different set of uh political
01:01:05.720
assumptions because as long as you're doing mass democracy uh this game and you're playing against
01:01:11.320
the left the chicken will always win and this is something that yarvin and land are trying to stress
01:01:15.800
over and over again to the right that the right is still not grasp uh you you democracy itself
01:01:21.720
particularly mass democracy is left wing it has this gradient it has this orientation cthulhu swims
01:01:29.800
slowly but he always swims left for a reason yep uh connor here says a planet paperclip factory yes he's
01:01:40.760
talking about the ai paperclip um uh conundrum example for people who have never heard that one before
01:01:47.960
uh nick c says uh the right needs to support the right more yes this is always true of course there's
01:01:53.800
a lot of uh discussion about you know how much you can push back against certain people on the right or
01:01:59.160
how much there should be uh you know you should be hashing out issues these kind of things uh but i
01:02:03.560
believe i believe the you know uh no enemies to the right is is in general uh the correct understanding
01:02:10.520
that people should apply it's not universal but it's pretty close and i would really recommend johann
01:02:15.960
kurtz's uh substack i think it's becoming noble yes he's doing great work on right-wing patronage
01:02:22.040
if you want to see what that looks like on a practical scale go read that piece and what he
01:02:26.920
suggests because some real business has actually come out of that so i would really recommend that
01:02:31.880
you guys take a read of that absolutely and robert weinsfield says land is so dense dry and hard to
01:02:38.360
understand it leaves me beginning or begging for some out of left field yarvin analogy written for a
01:02:43.960
simple thing like me yeah it's funny when you're like yarvin is for the simple things um you know
01:02:48.360
uh famously not exactly the easiest guy to read you know i don't find land dry uh he is dense and hard
01:02:55.000
to understand uh but i do think that uh he is a gifted writer and that his illustrations are at
01:03:01.160
least entertaining if not always clear um so i will say that while i certainly agree with the the dense and
01:03:07.800
the uh hard hard to grasp perhaps uh you know too impenetrable uh it is at least entertaining
01:03:15.240
to me most of the time if you're the kind of nerd who gets entertained by this kind of stuff which i
01:03:19.240
absolutely am all right guys we'll go ahead and wrap this up uh want to say thank you to the
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