The Auron MacIntyre Show - Understanding Nick Land's 'Meltdown,' Part 3 ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 10⧸14⧸24

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00:00:30.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:31.920 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:33.940 I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:38.600 Now, many of you are celebrating Columbus Day.

00:00:42.480 Of course, the left is trying to rebrand this as Indigenous People Day.

00:00:48.440 But we want you to know that today we're doing the real land acknowledgement.

00:00:52.120 We're celebrating this with the true land acknowledgement by, of course, reading Nickland.

00:00:57.840 So we've moved our Schizo Friday reading into Monday for this special occasion just so we could make this Columbus Day joke.

00:01:06.180 Joining me today to continue our reading of Nickland's seminal essay, Meltdown is The Prudentialist.

00:01:12.180 Thanks for coming on, man.

00:01:13.380 Yeah, thanks for having me on, Oren.

00:01:14.540 Always a pleasure.

00:01:15.960 Absolutely.

00:01:16.640 There's nobody else I'd rather be reading insane philosophy with than you, of course, sir.

00:01:23.000 Let's see how well we can get through these words.

00:01:24.920 Yeah, I think we're actually going to make it to the end this time.

00:01:28.200 There's a lot of, remember, for people who are unfamiliar or, you know, jumping into this in the third episode here, I highly encourage you to go back and watch the previous two.

00:01:37.240 You can listen to what we're going to read here.

00:01:39.020 But the context that we've laid out in previous videos is going to be very important.

00:01:43.420 Land is somebody who is building a vocabulary that is itself already obscure when you don't know or when you know the references, when you're familiar with all of the context.

00:01:53.820 But without it, it becomes increasingly more difficult as we get along.

00:01:56.680 He's going to be referencing back to things that he was talking about at the beginning of the essay.

00:02:01.220 So if you don't have that context, again, it becomes a little difficult to navigate.

00:02:05.040 But I think we're going to be able to get to the end of this one here because he gets deep into the theory fiction.

00:02:09.820 Though the way that Land sometimes writes these pieces is as if he's kind of writing half of a sci-fi story along with the philosophical underpinnings.

00:02:20.000 And so you get a lot of kind of just descriptive kind of Neuromancer Blade Runner style imagery along with the different things that we're trying to unpack.

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00:03:46.440 All right, so let's jump into Nick Land's meltdown, and we will pause to unpack this essay as we go.

00:03:54.560 Picking up where we left off last time, Land is talking about the idea of fighting against what is happening.

00:04:02.800 Can humanity stop this process?

00:04:06.180 Is there any way that they can arrest this detoritorialization of their cultures into the marketplace, kind of the global commercium as he explains it? 0.71

00:04:16.440 If there's an option there.

00:04:18.280 And so he's going to quote what is often considered kind of the ground level quote from Deleuze and Guattari when it comes to accelerationism.

00:04:28.240 I want to make it very clear for people who are unfamiliar with Nick Land that his accelerationism is not kind of the really dumb, political, radical option that a lot of people talk about.

00:04:40.100 Like, we've got to make the world worse.

00:04:42.060 We've got to do, you know, terrible acts so that things get worse.

00:04:46.500 That's not what he is talking about.

00:04:48.980 He is talking about the technological acceleration and the way in which that is going to affect kind of the future of humanity.

00:04:55.900 So this is kind of the core verse, I guess, if you will, for both left and right acceleration, though he's obviously going to take it in the rightward direction.

00:05:07.040 So quoting Meltdown here, which is quoting Deleuze and Guattari in Anti-Oedipus.

00:05:11.420 Is there one to withdraw from the, or I guess I should start reading up here, hot revolution, which is the revolutionary path?

00:05:18.560 Deleuze and Guattari ask, is there one to withdraw from the world market, as Samir Ahmed advises third world countries to do, in a curious reversal of the fascist economic solution?

00:05:33.180 Or might it go into the opposite direction, to go still further, that is, in the movement of the market, of decoding and deterritorialization?

00:05:42.420 For perhaps the flows are not yet deterritorialized enough, not decoded enough, from the viewpoint of a theory and practice of a highly schizophrenic character.

00:05:53.760 Not to withdraw from the process, but to go further, to accelerate the process.

00:05:58.040 As Nietzsche put it, in this matter, the truth is, we haven't seen anything yet.

00:06:03.680 So again, this is kind of the core paragraph from Anti-Oedipus for both left and right accelerationists, who say, look, the process of deterritorialization, the process of decoding the flows,

00:06:16.520 the things that many people on the left and some people on the right think are positive, that we're breaking down old social codes, old social formations, old institutions,

00:06:25.760 and we're putting them and re-territorializing them into this commercial space.

00:06:32.060 He says, you know, for many Marxists, they say, oh, well, that's bad.

00:06:35.900 We like the part where it breaks you out of this old mode of being, but we don't like this part where everything is now governed by kind of this commercial enterprise, by capital.

00:06:47.000 But, of course, Deleuze and Guattari point to this, and LAN, by proxy, point to the solution where perhaps actually the key is not to fight this process.

00:06:57.700 Maybe the process can't be fought.

00:06:59.560 Instead, you can go deeper into it.

00:07:01.820 You can accelerate the process, and perhaps by further decoding, further breaking down these social structures,

00:07:09.220 you can get to a solution or something so radically different that it no longer cares about the problems.

00:07:14.680 Yeah, like you said, this is one of those seminal quotes that has been picked apart by so many friends on the right,

00:07:23.080 as well as some of our, I guess, enemies on the left as well.

00:07:27.420 I can't, I don't want to, because some of the times you read them and they're like, oh, you're so close, but you're so far off,

00:07:32.120 because they'll want to accelerate and punch right through it.

00:07:34.140 And it's as we've witnessed, and you've talked about this a lot within your book and in your speeches that you've been in at conferences,

00:07:39.660 is that, you know, the de-territorialization part has been really nailed down, I think, by the late and great Sam Francis.

00:07:48.480 We've witnessed a blob, you know, commodify and kitschify identity and culture to where you are so de-territorialized and decoded from the land.

00:07:58.660 It's funny we open with this land acknowledgement joke.

00:08:00.800 But, I mean, if you talk about identity, I mean, it's a great important thing to point out,

00:08:06.160 and this is that for a lot of places in the United States, outside of those who still really care about their community,

00:08:10.740 who are active in it, regions have become just consumer identities, whether it be football or baseball teams.

00:08:17.420 For a lot of people who've moved to Texas, you know, the idea of Texas is the Mavericks, it's H-E-B, it's Bucky's, it's Whataburger.

00:08:24.660 It's not, you know, the Alamo, it's not Sam Houston, it's not any of those things,

00:08:29.680 because it's easier to commodify a brand or a consumer identity and to uproot you from a land, a people, and a culture.

00:08:38.280 And, I mean, that's sort of the preeminent question by a lot of these right and left theorists,

00:08:43.040 is, well, how do you break out of a cycle that has constantly advocated for your destruction,

00:08:48.280 not just on a biological level, but, I mean, on a historical, you know, economic level on all fronts.

00:08:53.820 And, you know, for land, you know, we're going to break this down into some weird theory fiction,

00:08:58.320 because it's 1994, I'm teaching, and there's probably a lot of drugs involved,

00:09:02.080 but we're here for a good time, nonetheless.

00:09:04.960 Absolutely. Yeah, it is important for people to recognize this process, right?

00:09:10.360 As you point out, Sam Francis and others have recognized this and used different language.

00:09:16.420 Land is, in many ways, celebrating this.

00:09:19.100 In many ways, the Deleuze-Gatarians or even the Marxists would celebrate portions of this.

00:09:24.840 They like the fact that old ways of life are dying, old institutions, old identities are dying.

00:09:31.040 For many of us who don't like that, we say, actually, this process is deleterious to the human,

00:09:37.440 which is actually something land sees as a positive, that it's destroying what humanity was

00:09:41.940 and remaking humanity into something different and possibly better for him,

00:09:45.920 as where guys like Francis would say, actually, the destruction of these identities

00:09:49.660 is going to ultimately make people miserable.

00:09:52.560 It's going to, we should be, we should be preferencing the human over others.

00:09:57.440 And then there's, you know, oftentimes this kind of quasi-Marxist,

00:10:01.220 but also, you know, quasi-modern American right perspective of like,

00:10:07.500 no, it's good to a certain degree, like we do want the deterritorialization,

00:10:11.900 we do want the old ways destroyed, but we don't want like the consequences of this entirely consumer culture.

00:10:18.980 Like we want half of this kind of economic plan, but not the results of it.

00:10:24.120 And so whether you agree with this process or not, whether you would like to see it accelerate or not,

00:10:29.240 whether you'd like to fight against it or not,

00:10:30.820 the fact that multiple different theoreticians have approached this idea

00:10:35.740 and seen this idea from different perspectives,

00:10:38.860 whether they oppose it or they support it, is important.

00:10:42.240 It's significant.

00:10:42.860 It means this is a real phenomenon that is happening and needs to be grappled with.

00:10:46.880 Whether you have, you know, your answer on this may vary,

00:10:49.660 but if you're going to be an effective political movement,

00:10:51.520 you need to have an answer to this question.

00:10:55.580 Yeah, let's carry on.

00:10:56.560 Back to our reading here.

00:10:59.040 A convergent anti-authoritarianism emerges,

00:11:01.760 labeled by tags such as meltdown acceleration,

00:11:04.940 Siberian invasion, schizotechnics, K-tactics,

00:11:08.180 bottom-up bacterial welfare,

00:11:11.040 efficient neo-nihilism, voodoo anti-humanism,

00:11:14.580 synthetic feminization, rhizomatics,

00:11:17.920 connectionism,

00:11:20.280 I don't know if that's,

00:11:21.560 Quang contagion,

00:11:23.400 viral amnesia,

00:11:24.680 micro insurgency,

00:11:25.980 winter mutation,

00:11:27.080 neotropy,

00:11:28.220 dissipatory proliferation,

00:11:30.860 and lesbian vampirism, 1.00

00:11:32.160 among other designations,

00:11:34.060 frequently pornographic,

00:11:35.460 abusive,

00:11:36.160 or terroristic in nature.

00:11:38.040 This massively distributed matrix network tendency

00:11:41.020 is oriented into a disabling of ROM command control programs,

00:11:45.540 sustaining all macro and micro governmental entities.

00:11:48.900 Globally concentrating themselves as the human security system.

00:11:54.900 So there's a lot of what seemed like made up words there.

00:11:58.080 Some of it is verbiage from Belouz and Qatari.

00:12:02.220 Some of it is just from general postmodern leftism.

00:12:06.920 Some of it is specific to the CCRU,

00:12:09.280 which Land was a key member of.

00:12:11.620 But all of it is,

00:12:13.400 as he pointed out,

00:12:14.880 supposed to be anti-authoritarian.

00:12:17.460 It's supposed to be attacking these human security systems that Land keeps referencing.

00:12:22.960 The ROM command control that he keeps talking about.

00:12:25.780 This hard,

00:12:26.780 what's supposed to be this hardwired limitation on the capital process

00:12:31.200 that is supposed to contain it and keep it from exploding and doing what it's doing now.

00:12:36.400 All of this stuff is going to be dismantled by these different micro attacks on traditional human stratification,

00:12:45.840 traditional social organization.

00:12:48.960 And so eventually you get the kind of this global human security system

00:12:54.420 because it's basically abandoning all these previous beachheads of human control,

00:13:00.360 of human identity,

00:13:01.160 and kind of retreating back to the last defensible unit,

00:13:05.160 which a lot of people would recognize as global managerialism.

00:13:08.680 And so what we see over and over again,

00:13:10.840 him hinting at here way back in the 1990s,

00:13:13.860 is this idea that all of these radical kind of political ideologies

00:13:19.120 will mainly be used to break down these different human security systems

00:13:25.780 against this deterritorialization process.

00:13:29.560 Yeah, and a lot of this does sound like,

00:13:32.720 as Oren had pointed out,

00:13:34.600 that these are some fun science fiction terms,

00:13:36.700 so they certainly sound like it,

00:13:37.880 whether it be, you know,

00:13:38.800 like lesbian vampirism or whatever, 0.98

00:13:41.140 although I think there's plenty of that happening right now in today's big nature.

00:13:44.260 You know, like virally amnesia is a fun one

00:13:46.340 because a lot of these things that you can look at,

00:13:48.080 and if you understand some of the context for it,

00:13:49.980 like K-tactics, of course, 1.00

00:13:51.320 in reference to other accelerationist texts has a lot to do with time.

00:13:54.300 But I mean, virally amnesia is perfect

00:13:56.060 because you see that already as it is.

00:13:57.780 Because our current mechanisms of technology being integrated to us

00:14:02.020 allows us to forget headlines in a rapid-fire succession.

00:14:06.440 I mean, this is why, you know, people will be like,

00:14:08.600 hey, do you remember when such and such thing happened?

00:14:10.900 And then it's, you know, you try and look it up,

00:14:13.000 and it only happened just a few months ago,

00:14:14.520 but it has entirely been wiped out of the public consciousness

00:14:16.880 if you're online or if you're anyone who's paying attention

00:14:19.860 to, say, mainstream press and media.

00:14:21.500 I mean, President Trump has had, what, you know,

00:14:23.880 two people try and take a shot at him.

00:14:25.940 They had a third one that was recently arrested at some rally.

00:14:28.940 And again, the photo that everyone wants to point out

00:14:31.360 from the whole fight, fight, fight thing,

00:14:34.340 it's not as popular as, say, in the past

00:14:37.460 where historical images would have more value

00:14:39.580 because we've accelerated the timeline

00:14:41.800 in which how we perceive and consume information.

00:14:44.440 I mean, you see this joke on Twitter a lot

00:14:46.640 where people will say nothing ever happens,

00:14:48.640 and that's sort of this, like, psychic self-defense mechanism

00:14:51.940 of I'm not going to let this new piece of information affect me.

00:14:55.080 It's kind of a psychic warfare against a machine

00:14:57.900 that wants to decode and de-territorialize your mind.

00:15:02.280 Absolutely, and we'll get into K-Tactics here in a little bit

00:15:05.740 because he's going to mention that again,

00:15:07.400 and I think it's worth unpacking for people what that means

00:15:09.800 because it's important, though a little confusing.

00:15:13.720 Scientific intelligence is already massively artificial.

00:15:16.860 Even before AI arrives in the lab,

00:15:19.380 it arrives itself by way of artificial life.

00:15:22.820 Where formalist AI is incremental and progressive,

00:15:25.960 caged in the pre-specified databases

00:15:28.160 and processing routines of expert systems,

00:15:31.260 connectionist or anti-formalist AI

00:15:33.960 is explosive and opportunistic, engineering time.

00:15:37.960 It breaks out non-locally across intelligence networks

00:15:42.780 that are technical but no longer technological

00:15:45.680 since they elude both theory dependency

00:15:48.000 and behavioral predictability.

00:15:49.860 No one knows what to expect.

00:15:52.360 The Turing cops have to model net sentience eruption 0.90

00:15:57.200 as ultimate nuclear accident, core meltdown,

00:16:01.300 loss of control, self-auto-replicating,

00:16:04.020 self-auto-replication, feeding regenerative,

00:16:09.980 I'm going to butcher a few words today here, guys,

00:16:12.420 bear with me,

00:16:13.140 regeneratively in social fission,

00:16:16.300 trashed meat all over the place,

00:16:18.660 reason enough for anxiety,

00:16:20.200 even without hardware developing,

00:16:22.400 development about to go critical.

00:16:24.220 So again, he's kind of given us this picture before,

00:16:27.320 but the idea that the true artificial intelligence

00:16:31.120 will not emerge in what we think of as formal AI,

00:16:35.460 the stuff that people are keeping a really close eye on

00:16:38.960 that are training carefully,

00:16:40.360 that are trying to control,

00:16:41.280 we see even in those cases,

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00:17:22.640 Keep control of an AI.

00:17:24.160 Think of Tay being executed.

00:17:26.840 But instead, it's very likely

00:17:29.780 that the AI is going to emerge

00:17:31.920 out of other systems of intelligence

00:17:34.380 that we are building up

00:17:35.400 that are not being constantly monitored,

00:17:37.340 that are not constantly being kept down

00:17:40.400 and locked into this human security system

00:17:43.140 because we didn't predict

00:17:45.560 that they would emerge there.

00:17:46.740 And so, for humanity,

00:17:48.880 for the human security system,

00:17:50.240 for the Turing cops,

00:17:51.720 in order to kind of stay on top of this,

00:17:53.620 they have to start looking

00:17:54.580 into all of these other systems

00:17:56.480 that are not specifically artificial intelligence

00:17:59.540 as we understand it today.

00:18:01.900 Yeah, and on top of this,

00:18:03.000 this kind of is an interesting thing

00:18:04.480 to look back on in the wake of,

00:18:06.180 say, the Ilyizer, Yudachowskis of the world 0.99

00:18:09.620 who are so concerned about AGI

00:18:11.500 bringing about the end of humanity

00:18:13.240 that they start looking at these

00:18:14.940 other sort of extreme scenarios

00:18:18.280 in which you become instantly self-aware

00:18:20.400 of your own potentiality

00:18:22.760 for extinction as a human species.

00:18:25.000 So whether it's about, you know,

00:18:26.380 loss of control,

00:18:27.520 whether it's about a nuclear accident,

00:18:29.940 all of these things now get played out.

00:18:31.660 And it's sort of fun to look back 30 years ago

00:18:33.500 into what's being, you know,

00:18:34.600 contextualized in the AI debate today

00:18:36.720 where, you know, people who are more,

00:18:38.760 say, of the, you know, technological

00:18:43.100 or the effective accelerationism

00:18:45.840 out of, like, the Mark Andriason's of the world

00:18:49.240 where they're like,

00:18:49.640 no, we actually want to do this

00:18:51.160 because if not,

00:18:51.920 then we're never going to punch through the system.

00:18:54.920 So even this side of Silicon Valley

00:18:57.220 with its own Californian ideology

00:18:59.100 wants to find a way to bypass, you know,

00:19:02.580 a state or regulatory bodies

00:19:04.880 that we would see in managerialism,

00:19:06.520 but also at the same time,

00:19:07.580 we want to get out of the cage systems

00:19:09.080 that exist in formal institutions.

00:19:12.800 Back to our reading here.

00:19:15.540 Nanoclasm begins as fictional science.

00:19:18.100 Our ability to rearrange atoms

00:19:19.700 lies at the foundation of technology.

00:19:23.860 Drexler notes,

00:19:25.060 although this has traditionally involved

00:19:26.980 manipulating them in unruly herds.

00:19:29.480 That's a quote there.

00:19:30.280 The precision engineering of atomic assemblies

00:19:33.360 will dispense with such crude methods,

00:19:36.140 initiating the age of molecular machinery,

00:19:39.740 the greatest technological breakthrough in history.

00:19:42.880 Since neither Logos nor history

00:19:44.800 have the slightest chance

00:19:46.120 of surviving such a transition,

00:19:48.260 this description is substantially misleading.

00:19:51.040 So here he's basically just saying,

00:19:52.400 look, at this point,

00:19:53.400 we've been kind of limited

00:19:54.780 in the amount of revolution we can have,

00:19:58.140 of the amount of change we can have,

00:19:59.920 because there are still like basic units

00:20:01.840 of matter and reality

00:20:03.740 that we have to deal with,

00:20:05.580 that we may be able to manipulate things,

00:20:08.320 but we have to manipulate them

00:20:09.860 at a certain macro level.

00:20:11.220 We can't get down

00:20:12.000 to the smallest micro level

00:20:14.400 because it's just been unaccessible

00:20:16.560 to us technologically.

00:20:17.940 But once that's done,

00:20:19.200 once we've kind of lost

00:20:20.340 this need to operate things

00:20:21.960 in these large blocks,

00:20:23.920 these defined hierarchies

00:20:26.020 as we understand them,

00:20:27.440 then kind of all bets are off.

00:20:28.960 Logic and history,

00:20:30.200 they just kind of go out the window

00:20:31.720 because we're in a,

00:20:33.060 for a radical kind of recreation

00:20:36.600 of what reality could be.

00:20:38.980 There are all,

00:20:39.380 so many opportunities suddenly explode.

00:20:41.680 And again,

00:20:41.980 this is so much of what schizoanalysis 0.99

00:20:44.120 and other parts of kind of this D&G,

00:20:47.480 this Deleuze and Guattarian understanding

00:20:49.140 kind of leads to

00:20:50.920 is the more radical we can get

00:20:53.260 with this detour territorialization.

00:20:56.440 The more we can break things down

00:20:58.140 and remove our needs,

00:20:59.700 our need to be highly stratified,

00:21:02.080 built into these human systems

00:21:03.760 as we understand them now,

00:21:05.100 the more possibilities open up.

00:21:07.040 And so, you know,

00:21:08.000 this is body without organs

00:21:09.480 and all this stuff is very connected

00:21:10.640 to this idea that we,

00:21:12.440 these rhizomatic structures,

00:21:13.560 we can go anywhere,

00:21:14.980 we can go in all these different directions

00:21:16.420 that didn't exist before

00:21:17.860 to the point where it completely

00:21:19.560 just is revolutionizes

00:21:21.140 the way that we understand human

00:21:23.120 or even what can be beyond human.

00:21:27.360 Yep.

00:21:29.080 The distinction between nature and,

00:21:31.440 or sorry,

00:21:32.680 the distinction between nature

00:21:34.340 and cannot classify,

00:21:36.080 this typo there in this version,

00:21:38.940 sorry about that guys.

00:21:39.940 The distinction between nature

00:21:40.800 and cannot classify molecular machines

00:21:43.880 and is already obsolesced

00:21:46.620 by genetic engineering,

00:21:48.140 wet nanotechnics.

00:21:49.540 The hardware and software dichotomy

00:21:51.400 succumbs at the same time.

00:21:53.620 Nanotechnics dissolve matter

00:21:55.040 into intensive singularities

00:21:56.960 that are neutral between particles

00:21:58.980 and signals and,

00:22:00.320 and signals and imminent

00:22:02.300 to their emergent intelligence.

00:22:05.160 Melted terra into a seething K-pulp,

00:22:07.540 which unlike gray goo,

00:22:09.520 synthesizes microbial intelligence

00:22:11.700 as it proliferates.

00:22:13.300 So again,

00:22:13.960 just being able to break things down

00:22:16.100 into their smallest possible

00:22:18.100 constituent parts

00:22:19.120 and reorganize them

00:22:20.400 in radical and different ways,

00:22:21.820 it turns in many ways

00:22:23.080 the entire world

00:22:24.080 into kind of this material

00:22:26.280 from which

00:22:27.040 these new intelligences,

00:22:28.700 these new understandings

00:22:29.520 can emerge.

00:22:30.080 Yeah, and again,

00:22:32.920 it's always fun to look back

00:22:33.860 on these things

00:22:34.560 where, you know,

00:22:35.980 instead of,

00:22:36.900 it's almost as if he's advocating

00:22:39.160 for, well,

00:22:40.280 what if we go for the Evangelion route?

00:22:42.280 We all just turn into

00:22:43.100 this lovely orange goo,

00:22:44.580 but there's microbial intelligence.

00:22:45.900 Again, you get a lot

00:22:46.520 of the science fiction in this,

00:22:48.480 but at the same time,

00:22:50.540 you know,

00:22:50.800 you're looking at all these

00:22:52.040 hypothetical features

00:22:53.440 for what's to come,

00:22:54.360 but I think that there's more things

00:22:55.640 to actually dive into

00:22:56.820 as we get closer down here.

00:22:58.180 Yeah, again,

00:22:59.260 we'll run into a lot of this,

00:23:00.800 which is just kind of

00:23:02.360 layered over with that fiction,

00:23:04.000 but we are trying to unpack

00:23:05.520 the parts that are

00:23:06.520 very important

00:23:07.660 to kind of his philosophy

00:23:09.880 and his way of thinking.

00:23:11.000 But before we go any further, guys,

00:23:12.380 let me tell you a little bit

00:23:13.560 about Joe Biden's plan

00:23:14.900 for the Supreme Court.

00:23:16.320 Don't kid yourself.

00:23:17.060 The future of the Supreme Court

00:23:18.080 is on the ballot.

00:23:19.100 The radical left

00:23:19.780 want to eliminate

00:23:20.400 the court's conservative majority

00:23:21.840 by packing the Supreme Court

00:23:23.120 with their own handpicked justices

00:23:24.720 to get the outcome

00:23:25.400 that they want.

00:23:26.660 Even President Biden

00:23:27.480 has gotten into the act

00:23:28.520 by making reforming the court

00:23:29.940 one of his final priorities

00:23:31.280 before he leaves office.

00:23:32.960 But don't be fooled,

00:23:33.900 their endgame really is

00:23:35.360 to pack the court.

00:23:36.480 At First Liberty,

00:23:37.300 they call this assault

00:23:38.180 on the court

00:23:38.740 what it really is,

00:23:39.800 a Supreme Court coup.

00:23:41.300 The frightening thing

00:23:42.040 is that come January,

00:23:43.320 their plan could become

00:23:44.400 our nation's reality.

00:23:46.080 Simple majority votes

00:23:47.240 in the House

00:23:47.780 and the Senate

00:23:48.420 combined with

00:23:49.040 the president's signature

00:23:49.940 could turn their plan

00:23:51.480 to pack the court into law.

00:23:53.420 That's why First Liberty

00:23:54.500 is sounding the alarm

00:23:55.780 and they need you

00:23:56.780 to join them.

00:23:57.880 If we take action together,

00:23:59.200 if we unite our voices,

00:24:01.140 we can put a stop

00:24:01.940 to the radical left's plan

00:24:03.240 to take control

00:24:03.980 of the Supreme Court.

00:24:05.140 As the 2024 election approaches,

00:24:07.560 we need to do three things.

00:24:09.280 Find out where

00:24:09.880 each of your candidates

00:24:10.820 stand on the radical issues

00:24:12.300 of packing and purging

00:24:13.340 the court.

00:24:14.200 Share what you learn

00:24:15.060 with everyone

00:24:15.680 and do your civic duty

00:24:16.920 by voting.

00:24:17.920 The future of the court

00:24:18.860 or preserving it

00:24:19.780 as an independent judiciary

00:24:20.940 is literally in your hands.

00:24:23.140 If we lose the court,

00:24:24.240 then we lose the country.

00:24:25.780 That's why First Liberty

00:24:26.660 is taking action

00:24:27.800 and they need all of us

00:24:29.080 to join them.

00:24:30.320 With patriots like you

00:24:31.440 standing for the Supreme Court,

00:24:32.940 we can safeguard

00:24:33.740 the independence

00:24:34.400 of the judiciary

00:24:35.240 just as the founding fathers intended.

00:24:37.360 And by saying no

00:24:38.180 to the left's Supreme Court coup,

00:24:39.820 we can secure

00:24:40.520 the blessings of liberty

00:24:41.500 and protect the future

00:24:42.500 of our constitutional rights

00:24:43.980 for our children

00:24:44.740 and grandchildren.

00:24:46.080 Please go to

00:24:46.560 SupremeCoup.com

00:24:48.220 slash Oren.

00:24:49.260 That's

00:24:49.580 SupremeCoup.com

00:24:51.260 slash Oren

00:24:52.300 to learn how you can help

00:24:53.680 stop the radical left's

00:24:54.820 takeover

00:24:55.280 of the Supreme Court.

00:24:57.700 All right,

00:24:58.520 back to our land acknowledgement here.

00:25:01.300 Even with a million

00:25:02.240 bytes of storage,

00:25:03.460 a nanomechanical computer

00:25:04.900 could fit in a box

00:25:06.060 a micron wide

00:25:07.860 about the size

00:25:08.560 of a bacterium.

00:25:09.700 The infrastructure

00:25:10.540 of power

00:25:11.180 is human

00:25:12.020 Neurosoft

00:25:12.880 compatible ROM.

00:25:14.220 Authority

00:25:14.700 instantiates itself

00:25:15.780 as linear

00:25:16.640 instruction pathways,

00:25:18.000 genetic baboonery,

00:25:19.600 scriptures,

00:25:20.480 traditions,

00:25:20.920 rituals,

00:25:22.220 and

00:25:22.340 gerontratic

00:25:24.060 hierarchies.

00:25:26.660 Resonant with

00:25:27.500 the

00:25:27.960 dominator

00:25:29.720 ermith

00:25:30.540 that the nature

00:25:31.200 of reality

00:25:31.740 has already been decided.

00:25:33.480 If you want to find

00:25:34.240 ice,

00:25:34.800 try thinking about

00:25:35.640 what is blocking

00:25:37.080 you out of the past.

00:25:38.780 It certainly

00:25:39.320 wasn't a law

00:25:40.160 of nature.

00:25:41.320 Temporalization

00:25:41.920 decompresses intensity,

00:25:43.660 installing constraint.

00:25:45.300 Convergent waves

00:25:46.280 signal singularities,

00:25:47.980 registering the influence

00:25:49.400 of the future

00:25:50.080 upon its past.

00:25:51.460 Tomorrow can take

00:25:52.160 care of itself.

00:25:53.560 K-Tactics is not

00:25:54.400 a matter of

00:25:54.940 building the future

00:25:55.920 but dismantling

00:25:57.120 the past.

00:25:58.140 It assembled itself

00:25:58.900 by characterizing

00:26:00.000 and escaping

00:26:00.900 the,

00:26:01.680 or charting

00:26:02.700 and escaping

00:26:03.480 the technical

00:26:04.440 neurochemical

00:26:07.780 deficiency conditions

00:26:09.380 for linear

00:26:10.200 progressive

00:26:10.780 paleo

00:26:11.480 domination time

00:26:13.160 and discovers

00:26:14.080 that the future

00:26:14.820 as,

00:26:15.520 discovers the future

00:26:16.780 as virtuality

00:26:18.420 is accessible

00:26:19.680 now according

00:26:20.540 to a mode

00:26:21.100 of machinic

00:26:22.340 adjacency

00:26:23.480 that securitized

00:26:25.160 social reality

00:26:26.120 is compelled

00:26:27.020 to repress.

00:26:27.880 This is not

00:26:28.460 remotely a question

00:26:29.400 of hope,

00:26:30.380 aspiration,

00:26:31.900 or prophecy

00:26:32.520 but the

00:26:33.240 communications

00:26:33.900 but of

00:26:35.020 communications

00:26:35.620 engineering

00:26:36.240 connecting

00:26:36.980 with the

00:26:37.540 efficient

00:26:37.940 intensive

00:26:39.300 sorry

00:26:40.640 with the

00:26:41.560 efficient

00:26:41.940 intensive

00:26:42.560 singularities

00:26:43.580 and releasing

00:26:44.320 them from

00:26:45.040 constriction

00:26:46.440 within

00:26:46.880 linear

00:26:48.080 historical

00:26:49.080 development

00:26:49.940 virtuality

00:26:51.040 counterposes

00:26:52.180 itself to

00:26:52.860 history

00:26:53.300 as

00:26:54.060 invasion

00:26:55.020 to

00:26:55.320 accumulation

00:26:56.000 it is

00:26:57.260 matter

00:26:57.640 as

00:26:58.000 arrival

00:26:58.880 even

00:26:59.480 when

00:26:59.720 camouflaged

00:27:00.420 as a

00:27:01.000 deposit

00:27:01.500 of the

00:27:02.300 past

00:27:02.720 all right

00:27:04.100 so a lot

00:27:05.120 of that

00:27:05.380 here to

00:27:05.880 say we

00:27:06.220 need to

00:27:06.540 unpack

00:27:06.980 K-Tactics

00:27:08.300 here for

00:27:08.680 a second

00:27:09.080 K-Tactics

00:27:10.460 is a

00:27:11.380 piece

00:27:12.060 of

00:27:12.700 jargon

00:27:13.740 from

00:27:14.680 previous

00:27:15.420 stuff

00:27:15.760 from

00:27:16.020 the

00:27:16.240 CCRU

00:27:16.960 it has

00:27:17.780 to do

00:27:18.100 with

00:27:18.340 their

00:27:18.580 understanding

00:27:19.240 of

00:27:19.600 time

00:27:20.020 specifically

00:27:20.700 retrochronic

00:27:21.640 time

00:27:22.060 so

00:27:23.440 for

00:27:24.340 land

00:27:24.720 and I

00:27:25.200 don't

00:27:25.600 entirely

00:27:26.040 understand

00:27:26.820 land's

00:27:27.960 theory

00:27:28.660 of time

00:27:29.220 I'm

00:27:30.440 working

00:27:30.840 on that

00:27:31.380 but that's

00:27:32.160 something

00:27:32.360 I'm still

00:27:32.740 tackling

00:27:33.160 but from

00:27:34.180 what I

00:27:34.540 understand

00:27:35.100 at least

00:27:35.640 you know

00:27:36.800 the idea

00:27:37.500 that the

00:27:38.280 future

00:27:38.760 comes out

00:27:39.300 of the

00:27:39.520 past

00:27:39.880 does not

00:27:40.240 work for

00:27:40.720 land

00:27:40.980 he doesn't

00:27:41.420 understand

00:27:41.920 it that

00:27:42.280 way

00:27:42.540 he

00:27:43.360 understands

00:27:43.960 time

00:27:44.640 as kind

00:27:45.020 of

00:27:45.100 coming

00:27:45.400 out

00:27:45.620 of

00:27:45.740 eternity

00:27:46.140 and

00:27:47.280 the

00:27:47.800 present

00:27:48.060 is

00:27:48.260 something

00:27:48.500 that we

00:27:48.900 are just

00:27:49.200 currently

00:27:49.560 experiencing

00:27:50.480 and so

00:27:51.300 once we

00:27:51.760 know the

00:27:52.180 future

00:27:52.420 once we

00:27:52.740 understand

00:27:53.160 some

00:27:53.440 aspect

00:27:53.760 of the

00:27:54.060 future

00:27:54.320 it

00:27:55.020 retroactively

00:27:55.820 goes back

00:27:56.360 and makes

00:27:56.780 the past

00:27:57.340 make sense

00:27:57.940 or even

00:27:58.320 causes the

00:27:59.320 past

00:27:59.620 to come

00:28:00.360 into being

00:28:01.000 and so

00:28:01.380 this is

00:28:01.860 where

00:28:02.340 kind of

00:28:02.720 the

00:28:02.920 hyperstition

00:28:04.320 aspect

00:28:04.840 of the

00:28:05.920 CCRU's

00:28:06.720 work

00:28:06.960 also becomes

00:28:08.020 very

00:28:08.420 important

00:28:08.880 the ability

00:28:09.780 of something

00:28:10.540 that's

00:28:11.360 actually

00:28:11.720 part of

00:28:12.440 the future

00:28:12.880 to come

00:28:13.300 back and

00:28:13.700 cause

00:28:13.940 itself

00:28:14.320 I saw

00:28:14.940 a blog

00:28:15.560 give a

00:28:16.140 really good

00:28:16.520 example

00:28:16.920 so I'm

00:28:17.240 just going

00:28:17.460 to steal

00:28:17.860 that example

00:28:18.600 really quick

00:28:19.220 if you've

00:28:20.160 ever seen

00:28:20.460 the movie

00:28:20.780 The Thing

00:28:21.400 there's the

00:28:23.040 dog at

00:28:23.880 the beginning

00:28:24.260 and you see

00:28:24.680 the sled

00:28:25.100 dog that's

00:28:25.540 the beginning

00:28:25.860 of the movie

00:28:26.440 is that the sled

00:28:27.460 dog is kind

00:28:28.040 of driving

00:28:28.460 the science

00:28:29.060 team up

00:28:30.240 there which

00:28:30.600 you don't

00:28:30.980 recognize

00:28:31.500 is that that

00:28:32.600 dog is not

00:28:33.240 actually a

00:28:33.900 dog it's

00:28:34.360 actually a

00:28:35.260 alien entity

00:28:36.260 that eventually

00:28:37.220 is going to

00:28:38.260 infect a lot

00:28:39.700 of the people

00:28:40.320 in the movie

00:28:42.020 and so you

00:28:43.300 are looking

00:28:43.960 at something

00:28:45.900 from the future

00:28:46.560 something that

00:28:47.380 is not what

00:28:48.420 it seems

00:28:48.900 is not actually

00:28:49.760 part of the

00:28:50.200 past but is

00:28:50.740 actually something

00:28:51.400 part of the

00:28:52.140 future and it

00:28:53.160 will eventually

00:28:53.680 bring itself

00:28:54.560 into being

00:28:55.200 it's going to

00:28:55.640 manifest itself

00:28:56.740 in the future

00:28:57.820 as you go along

00:28:58.820 but we don't

00:28:59.440 know that about

00:29:00.380 the dog we

00:29:00.920 don't know that

00:29:01.640 about the beginning

00:29:02.200 of the movie

00:29:02.620 until we get to

00:29:03.620 the end and

00:29:04.160 when we get to

00:29:04.720 the end

00:29:05.180 retrochronically

00:29:06.220 the dog and

00:29:07.620 its existence

00:29:08.300 and the

00:29:08.880 existence of

00:29:09.520 the alien

00:29:09.960 all suddenly

00:29:10.760 makes sense

00:29:11.380 you understand

00:29:12.180 the causality

00:29:13.000 it all suddenly

00:29:13.740 connects but

00:29:14.660 you don't get

00:29:15.320 that until

00:29:16.340 you've kind of

00:29:17.340 gone to the

00:29:18.220 end and then

00:29:18.840 look back to

00:29:19.560 the beginning

00:29:19.960 and in the

00:29:20.760 same way

00:29:21.340 we're looking

00:29:22.320 at here

00:29:22.880 when it comes

00:29:23.580 to the rise

00:29:24.840 of artificial

00:29:25.560 intelligence

00:29:26.160 the rise

00:29:26.980 of this

00:29:28.340 global commercium

00:29:29.580 that Land

00:29:30.200 has talked

00:29:30.600 about

00:29:30.960 we don't

00:29:32.440 recognize its

00:29:33.280 seeds at the

00:29:34.460 beginning

00:29:34.800 we don't

00:29:35.160 recognize the

00:29:35.860 dog for the

00:29:36.920 alien presence

00:29:37.620 it will

00:29:38.020 eventually

00:29:38.440 become

00:29:38.960 and so

00:29:39.320 that's the

00:29:40.160 thing he's

00:29:40.840 talking about

00:29:41.260 K-tactics is 1.00

00:29:42.020 this understanding

00:29:42.720 that the future

00:29:43.820 is coming into

00:29:44.660 the past

00:29:45.180 and actually

00:29:45.680 disassembling

00:29:46.760 the past

00:29:47.360 deconstructing

00:29:48.060 the past

00:29:48.400 by placing

00:29:49.440 aspects of

00:29:50.260 the future

00:29:50.620 in it

00:29:51.040 that will

00:29:51.440 eventually

00:29:51.800 manifest

00:29:52.620 themselves

00:29:53.200 so

00:29:54.780 I don't know

00:29:55.420 if you want

00:29:55.680 to talk about

00:29:56.640 K-tactics 1.00

00:29:58.140 there anymore

00:29:58.660 but

00:29:58.900 I think that's

00:30:00.600 a pretty

00:30:01.120 fair breakdown

00:30:02.640 on this

00:30:03.380 and also

00:30:03.680 keep in

00:30:04.100 mind

00:30:04.360 that

00:30:04.720 depending

00:30:06.220 on how

00:30:06.640 far you

00:30:08.760 want to

00:30:08.980 read into

00:30:09.460 it

00:30:09.740 keep in

00:30:11.140 mind

00:30:11.400 here

00:30:11.620 that

00:30:11.800 when we're

00:30:12.060 looking at

00:30:12.440 things

00:30:12.720 a dismantling

00:30:14.120 of the

00:30:14.400 past

00:30:14.740 what we're

00:30:15.620 witnessing

00:30:15.980 here

00:30:16.300 is that

00:30:16.540 even time

00:30:17.060 itself

00:30:17.460 the linear

00:30:17.920 understanding

00:30:18.500 of time

00:30:19.080 can be

00:30:20.040 an oppressive

00:30:20.780 and again

00:30:22.240 very heavy

00:30:22.900 on theory

00:30:23.640 but it's

00:30:24.240 an oppressive

00:30:24.820 mode of

00:30:26.040 perception

00:30:26.620 and that

00:30:27.540 kind of

00:30:28.080 perception

00:30:28.580 of how we

00:30:29.100 perceive time

00:30:30.000 limits our

00:30:30.900 capabilities

00:30:31.540 to do so

00:30:32.200 this is why

00:30:32.880 even though

00:30:33.420 Nick Land

00:30:33.900 doesn't really

00:30:34.400 do a lot

00:30:34.960 of this

00:30:35.260 sort of

00:30:35.660 cybernetics

00:30:36.960 or any

00:30:37.240 theory stuff

00:30:38.340 as much

00:30:38.740 as he used

00:30:39.300 to

00:30:39.640 people that

00:30:40.700 cite Nick Land

00:30:41.640 and love him

00:30:42.440 focus so much

00:30:43.740 on the idea

00:30:44.640 that you can

00:30:45.400 find the future

00:30:47.680 present within

00:30:48.620 the past

00:30:49.380 and you see

00:30:50.520 this a lot

00:30:50.960 when people

00:30:51.300 talk about

00:30:51.840 say like

00:30:52.220 plutonics

00:30:52.960 where they say

00:30:53.460 well actually

00:30:54.360 like the earth

00:30:55.060 has a history

00:30:55.860 of trauma

00:30:56.420 and records

00:30:56.920 and we only

00:30:57.800 have a limited

00:30:58.500 perception of time

00:30:59.540 and we have to

00:30:59.960 break that

00:31:00.540 perception

00:31:01.080 and arrive

00:31:02.220 from the future

00:31:03.300 so to speak

00:31:03.920 and you even

00:31:04.280 saw this in the

00:31:04.940 previous episodes

00:31:05.960 where we talk

00:31:06.800 about like

00:31:07.120 neo-China

00:31:07.880 arriving from

00:31:08.620 the future

00:31:09.040 these things

00:31:09.560 are present

00:31:10.080 to try and

00:31:10.720 disrupt the

00:31:11.340 understanding

00:31:11.860 of time

00:31:12.480 and to do

00:31:13.500 so allows

00:31:14.100 one to

00:31:14.600 quote-unquote

00:31:15.040 break free

00:31:15.780 and to

00:31:16.420 punch through

00:31:16.960 and accelerate

00:31:17.640 into a new

00:31:18.560 understanding

00:31:19.180 absolutely

00:31:21.600 all right

00:31:22.400 so back to

00:31:23.180 our essay

00:31:23.940 here

00:31:24.340 the transcendent

00:31:25.540 evaluation

00:31:26.920 of an

00:31:27.800 infection

00:31:28.260 presupposes

00:31:30.020 a measure

00:31:30.560 of insulation

00:31:31.520 from it

00:31:32.020 viral efficiency

00:31:33.120 is the

00:31:33.800 terminal

00:31:34.340 criterion

00:31:35.120 intelligent

00:31:36.040 infections

00:31:36.880 tend their

00:31:37.740 intelligent

00:31:38.420 infections

00:31:39.140 tend their

00:31:39.680 hosts

00:31:40.060 microphage

00:31:41.300 an

00:31:41.740 interactively

00:31:43.180 escalating

00:31:43.880 parasitic

00:31:44.500 replicator

00:31:45.180 sophisticating

00:31:46.160 itself

00:31:46.580 through

00:31:46.860 nonlinear

00:31:47.520 involvement

00:31:48.120 with

00:31:48.680 technocapitalist

00:31:49.640 immuno

00:31:50.120 crash

00:31:50.560 its

00:31:51.200 hypervirulent

00:31:52.100 terminal

00:31:52.740 subroutines

00:31:53.920 are variously

00:31:55.320 designed

00:31:55.980 quong

00:31:56.900 again

00:31:57.340 I'm probably

00:31:57.720 pronouncing

00:31:58.120 that wrong

00:31:58.480 meltdown

00:31:59.480 virus

00:31:59.900 or

00:32:00.280 futuristic

00:32:00.820 flu

00:32:01.280 in an

00:32:02.120 emphatically

00:32:02.720 anti-siberian

00:32:03.900 essay

00:32:04.460 Cicere

00:32:05.720 Rone

00:32:06.240 describes

00:32:06.880 the

00:32:07.260 postmodern

00:32:07.820 version

00:32:08.620 of this

00:32:09.180 outbreak

00:32:09.740 in

00:32:10.340 in

00:32:12.120 quaintly

00:32:12.540 human

00:32:13.080 humanist

00:32:13.860 terms

00:32:14.280 as

00:32:14.720 quote

00:32:15.060 a

00:32:15.600 retrochronical

00:32:16.460 semi-virus

00:32:17.340 in which

00:32:18.100 a time

00:32:19.240 further in

00:32:19.900 the future

00:32:20.400 than the

00:32:21.100 one in

00:32:21.500 which we

00:32:21.880 exist

00:32:22.360 infects

00:32:27.200 the host

00:32:27.620 in the

00:32:28.820 present

00:32:29.120 reproducing

00:32:29.860 itself

00:32:30.360 in

00:32:30.920 simulacra

00:32:31.680 until it

00:32:32.180 destroys

00:32:32.560 all the

00:32:33.100 original

00:32:33.580 cryonocytes

00:32:35.480 of the

00:32:36.180 host

00:32:36.480 imagination

00:32:38.240 the

00:32:39.160 elaboration

00:32:39.960 of

00:32:41.040 Cicere

00:32:41.680 Rone's

00:32:42.380 diagnosis

00:32:43.140 exhibits

00:32:43.920 a mixture

00:32:44.460 of

00:32:44.880 acuity

00:32:45.400 infection

00:32:46.160 confusion

00:32:47.020 and profound

00:32:47.740 conservatism

00:32:48.660 not

00:32:49.260 thinking

00:32:50.980 about

00:32:51.400 increasing

00:32:51.880 the human

00:32:52.440 heritage

00:32:53.880 dams up

00:32:54.680 the flow

00:32:55.040 of cultural

00:32:55.620 time

00:32:56.040 and deprives

00:32:56.680 future

00:32:57.080 generations

00:32:57.700 both of

00:32:58.420 their birthright

00:32:59.080 as participants

00:32:59.900 in the life

00:33:00.620 struggle

00:33:01.780 and attainment

00:33:02.860 of the

00:33:03.160 species

00:33:03.540 and the

00:33:04.100 very notion

00:33:04.660 of history

00:33:05.240 as an

00:33:05.920 irreversible

00:33:06.860 flow

00:33:07.280 of encompassing

00:33:08.080 generation

00:33:08.760 maturation

00:33:09.720 and transference

00:33:10.960 of wisdom

00:33:11.420 and trust

00:33:12.260 from the

00:33:12.600 parent

00:33:12.900 to the

00:33:13.200 children

00:33:13.540 teachers

00:33:14.360 to

00:33:14.840 students

00:33:16.200 the

00:33:16.740 futuristic

00:33:17.120 flu

00:33:17.440 is a

00:33:17.720 weapon

00:33:17.960 of

00:33:18.360 bio-psychic

00:33:19.460 violence

00:33:20.060 sent by

00:33:21.000 psychopathic

00:33:23.320 children

00:33:23.620 against their

00:33:24.220 narcissistic

00:33:25.000 parents

00:33:25.580 it's war

00:33:26.620 so here

00:33:28.260 he's once

00:33:28.800 again

00:33:29.020 understanding

00:33:29.700 the

00:33:30.280 kind of

00:33:31.840 this entire

00:33:32.440 process

00:33:33.060 of capital

00:33:34.100 escape

00:33:34.540 as something

00:33:35.600 that breaks

00:33:36.940 down human

00:33:37.420 security

00:33:37.780 systems

00:33:38.300 breaks down

00:33:39.200 these

00:33:39.340 understandings

00:33:40.020 of what

00:33:41.380 humanity

00:33:42.140 should be

00:33:42.720 the stratifications

00:33:43.800 the hierarchies

00:33:46.320 of the way

00:33:46.920 that humans

00:33:47.380 have organized

00:33:47.920 themselves

00:33:48.300 and not

00:33:49.500 only does

00:33:49.820 it do

00:33:50.160 that

00:33:50.400 it actually

00:33:50.980 employs

00:33:51.780 the very

00:33:52.800 security

00:33:53.240 systems

00:33:53.720 themselves

00:33:54.380 in their

00:33:55.140 own

00:33:55.400 destruction

00:33:55.940 again as

00:33:56.480 we pointed

00:33:56.820 out several

00:33:57.680 times at this

00:33:58.220 point we're

00:33:58.660 kind of restating

00:33:59.280 a little bit

00:33:59.820 but so is

00:34:00.760 he that

00:34:01.760 that these

00:34:02.660 these systems

00:34:03.740 of control

00:34:04.600 that are being

00:34:05.760 created by our

00:34:06.900 current governments

00:34:07.740 our current

00:34:08.420 powers that be

00:34:09.680 are themselves

00:34:11.000 desperate moves

00:34:12.360 to try to

00:34:12.860 control this

00:34:13.420 process and so

00:34:14.300 in their quest

00:34:15.520 to bring this

00:34:16.680 back under

00:34:17.500 their own

00:34:17.960 control they

00:34:18.880 are destroying

00:34:19.500 the very things

00:34:20.600 that actually

00:34:21.300 control this

00:34:21.900 process that

00:34:22.520 actually slow

00:34:23.600 it down that

00:34:24.980 actually keep it

00:34:25.640 from accelerating

00:34:26.440 and then he's

00:34:27.640 quoting you know

00:34:28.360 this guy who I'm

00:34:28.960 assuming is probably

00:34:29.620 a leftist but is

00:34:30.500 recognizing also

00:34:31.480 that this process

00:34:32.740 still breaks you

00:34:33.840 away from what

00:34:34.620 we would on the

00:34:35.400 right probably call

00:34:36.000 the great chain

00:34:36.940 of being right

00:34:37.620 you've lost this

00:34:38.780 passing of knowledge

00:34:39.820 from the past

00:34:40.940 to the future

00:34:41.600 connecting you

00:34:42.980 know children to

00:34:43.760 their parents and

00:34:44.740 instead we see

00:34:45.500 this as almost

00:34:46.180 a attack against

00:34:48.620 the future

00:34:49.760 because you're

00:34:50.900 destroying all

00:34:51.560 these connections

00:34:52.260 all of these

00:34:53.140 things that once

00:34:54.200 bound you to

00:34:54.920 kind of your

00:34:55.580 identity and what

00:34:56.380 was human and

00:34:57.020 what would have

00:34:57.420 kept you from

00:34:57.940 being swept away

00:34:59.200 in this kind of

00:35:00.100 future cataclysm

00:35:01.440 yeah and again

00:35:04.640 you see this

00:35:05.420 sort of internal

00:35:06.720 infighting a lot

00:35:08.020 when you read

00:35:08.620 some of these

00:35:09.040 papers and maybe

00:35:09.980 more of their

00:35:10.720 little o orthodox

00:35:12.620 marxist or

00:35:13.620 post-structuralist

00:35:15.200 you know

00:35:15.940 colleagues or

00:35:16.660 academics but I

00:35:17.740 think it's an

00:35:18.120 important thing to

00:35:18.800 consider here is

00:35:19.580 that you know if

00:35:20.200 you're really

00:35:20.520 thinking what is

00:35:21.220 to come is going

00:35:21.960 to be the

00:35:22.340 destruction of all

00:35:23.040 things human

00:35:23.640 whether you're for

00:35:24.680 that or not in

00:35:25.440 this regard on the

00:35:26.660 basis of theory

00:35:27.480 the person he's

00:35:28.540 citing above is

00:35:29.380 pointing out exactly

00:35:30.220 what Oren says

00:35:31.040 is that well this

00:35:32.320 comes at the cost

00:35:33.360 of the destruction

00:35:34.060 of what constitutes

00:35:35.620 normal human

00:35:36.540 relations throughout

00:35:37.360 history intergenerational

00:35:39.260 relations the places

00:35:41.160 people's things that

00:35:42.180 you would associate

00:35:42.820 with a particular

00:35:43.760 group basically the

00:35:44.960 destruction of

00:35:45.500 particularism altogether

00:35:46.780 into sort of that

00:35:48.260 that mush that

00:35:49.240 land was sort of

00:35:50.260 speculating on in

00:35:51.240 this sort of

00:35:51.620 futuristic gray

00:35:54.940 goose scenario but

00:35:55.820 I mean really if I

00:35:57.100 think this is what has

00:35:57.880 sort of made land and

00:35:59.040 I don't know what

00:35:59.960 had kind of sent him

00:36:00.780 on this sort of

00:36:01.360 strange neo-reactionary

00:36:02.720 rightist journey that

00:36:03.740 he's on now but I

00:36:04.980 mean if you were to

00:36:05.480 consider that and

00:36:06.360 then maybe look at

00:36:06.960 that with a different

00:36:07.540 pair of eyes or from

00:36:08.460 an outsider perspective

00:36:09.460 you sort of realize

00:36:10.660 the group or the

00:36:12.220 entity or the

00:36:12.840 ideology or if we

00:36:13.760 want to even use

00:36:14.360 viral terms the the

00:36:16.080 the virus that has

00:36:17.080 allowed that to

00:36:17.880 propition you know to

00:36:18.940 propagate itself all

00:36:20.520 of a sudden you

00:36:21.040 realize well that's

00:36:21.520 just leftism you know

00:36:23.040 you and I were

00:36:24.220 mentioning that whole

00:36:25.420 you know who was

00:36:26.480 it Hassan Piker who

00:36:27.480 was complaining about

00:36:28.280 how the left has

00:36:29.500 lost young men and

00:36:31.180 it's like well yeah

00:36:32.000 you have because the

00:36:33.120 only thing that you

00:36:33.620 offer is the

00:36:34.320 destruction of youth

00:36:35.780 and vitality and

00:36:37.180 existence of bonds

00:36:39.320 but also that is the

00:36:40.340 youth rebelling against

00:36:41.260 a system of itself

00:36:42.200 trying to do it but

00:36:43.320 on the on the other

00:36:44.140 side of things that the

00:36:45.140 left does have young

00:36:46.380 people that are on

00:36:47.260 its side they just

00:36:48.740 happen to be Harry

00:36:49.440 Sisson or you know

00:36:50.720 some of these other

00:36:51.780 twerps but it's

00:36:53.040 important to consider

00:36:53.860 that there are

00:36:54.360 children that happily

00:36:55.160 reported their parents

00:36:56.200 for attending a

00:36:57.440 protest on January

00:36:58.460 6th while you know

00:37:00.200 cheering on the

00:37:01.000 absolute you know

00:37:02.080 racial destruction 1.00

00:37:03.020 that came about during

00:37:04.020 the 2020 George Floyd

00:37:05.320 riots so it

00:37:06.480 illustrates that no

00:37:07.540 and entropy and the

00:37:08.840 things that would

00:37:09.300 accelerate the

00:37:10.020 destruction of human

00:37:10.860 bonds that comes from

00:37:11.880 the left and you

00:37:13.300 know the sides of

00:37:14.220 what we used to call

00:37:15.160 woke capital they're

00:37:16.220 all still there I

00:37:17.740 mean this is why

00:37:18.160 these debates about

00:37:19.020 wokeness are always so 1.00

00:37:20.020 entertaining because it

00:37:21.020 doesn't matter that oh

00:37:22.060 they're pulling away

00:37:22.960 institutionally they're

00:37:24.280 the accepted norms

00:37:25.360 that are going to

00:37:25.860 continue to whittle

00:37:26.620 away at any sense of

00:37:27.820 identity keep in mind

00:37:29.260 there's a movie about

00:37:30.240 Air Jordans as if the

00:37:31.580 product itself is a

00:37:32.660 great biography or the

00:37:33.820 history of the

00:37:34.580 flaming hot Cheeto

00:37:35.580 these things now exist

00:37:37.300 with capital with

00:37:38.480 culture to come

00:37:40.420 together now to

00:37:41.600 eliminate any sense

00:37:42.720 of what it meant to

00:37:43.360 be an American for

00:37:44.400 the sake of product

00:37:45.460 and you know if

00:37:46.540 you're a raging

00:37:47.360 Marxist or if you're

00:37:48.420 a raging like anti

00:37:49.740 capital person you

00:37:51.020 can see where the

00:37:51.620 CCRU and Nick is

00:37:52.680 coming from but even

00:37:53.780 from a rightist

00:37:54.440 perspective or from a

00:37:55.440 San Francis perspective

00:37:56.640 however you want to

00:37:57.320 look at it you're

00:37:58.180 beginning to witness

00:37:59.060 that the

00:37:59.520 de-territorialization of

00:38:00.960 human bonds some are

00:38:02.240 willing to accelerate

00:38:02.900 and punch on through

00:38:03.640 and see what happens

00:38:04.500 but you know for

00:38:05.620 most sane people you

00:38:07.860 know and to quote

00:38:08.700 that old Nick Land

00:38:09.380 tweet if you're a fan

00:38:10.080 of my work it's a

00:38:10.760 great sign of mental

00:38:11.400 illness but it does

00:38:13.020 illustrate that there

00:38:13.960 is significant losses

00:38:15.560 here that you aren't

00:38:16.680 going to get back so

00:38:18.000 easily it's why a lot

00:38:19.400 of our colleagues in

00:38:21.000 this part of the right

00:38:21.920 are focused so much on

00:38:24.080 cultural creation on

00:38:25.860 the arts on the media

00:38:27.520 on the literature

00:38:28.300 because we have

00:38:29.340 destroyed our bonds

00:38:30.980 to virtually everything

00:38:32.180 that came before unless

00:38:33.800 you're willing to

00:38:34.420 reclaim it and it

00:38:35.940 should be said and

00:38:36.820 you can even see this

00:38:37.640 if you go back to

00:38:38.400 Xenosystems which is

00:38:39.660 essentially just a

00:38:40.500 collection of blog

00:38:41.240 posts that Nick did

00:38:42.880 while he was

00:38:43.400 interacting with a

00:38:44.340 large amount of the

00:38:45.220 of the neo

00:38:45.840 reactionary community

00:38:46.900 but as as both

00:38:48.720 Spandrel and Nick Land

00:38:50.040 have pointed out there

00:38:51.240 were always multiple

00:38:52.020 factions inside the

00:38:53.460 neo reaction community

00:38:54.700 and a big split was

00:38:56.160 kind of this techno

00:38:57.320 accelerationist versus

00:38:58.600 you know real you

00:39:00.200 true reactionary

00:39:01.360 understanding where

00:39:02.720 you had guys who

00:39:04.440 were looking to do

00:39:05.500 what land is talking

00:39:06.420 about which isn't

00:39:07.640 Marxist at all it's

00:39:08.700 the you know it's

00:39:09.320 it's it's accelerating

00:39:10.660 into hyper capitalism

00:39:12.320 completely completely

00:39:13.380 going through the

00:39:14.100 process as opposed

00:39:15.460 what many reactionaries

00:39:16.740 wanted to do which

00:39:18.220 is more or less say

00:39:19.340 we both recognize the

00:39:20.820 problem but you think

00:39:21.680 the problem is that

00:39:22.340 the human security

00:39:23.080 system is holding you

00:39:24.660 back from from

00:39:26.600 accelerating into this

00:39:27.840 you know non-human

00:39:28.740 future as where we

00:39:30.120 want the human

00:39:30.620 security system to

00:39:31.740 return to a more

00:39:33.320 robust to return us

00:39:35.100 to a more robust

00:39:35.880 form of living both

00:39:38.240 both of us are our

00:39:39.420 enemies of the

00:39:40.080 current system but we

00:39:41.040 have very different

00:39:42.200 views on to like where

00:39:44.080 we want the future to

00:39:44.940 go even though we

00:39:45.520 recognize the problem

00:39:46.240 with the current

00:39:46.620 system so it's one of

00:39:47.900 those things again no

00:39:48.940 matter how you feel

00:39:50.060 about where land or

00:39:52.080 or even Marxists or

00:39:53.700 you know or

00:39:54.800 traditional reactionary

00:39:56.400 are going with

00:39:57.200 accelerationism

00:39:58.000 understanding the

00:39:59.660 problem is critical

00:40:00.720 you again if you're

00:40:01.940 going to have a

00:40:02.340 political future you

00:40:03.420 need to be able to

00:40:04.200 address this issue and

00:40:05.640 it's something that

00:40:06.240 most of the mainstream

00:40:06.960 right just isn't even

00:40:08.320 thinking about at all so

00:40:09.840 that's why we want to

00:40:11.080 go over this even if

00:40:12.020 it's you know we're not

00:40:12.780 about embracing every

00:40:13.740 aspect of it

00:40:14.520 Kennedy had the moon

00:40:17.480 landing program

00:40:18.360 Reagan had Star Wars

00:40:19.620 Clinton gets the first

00:40:20.780 wave of cyberspace

00:40:21.720 psychosis and even

00:40:23.400 before the film

00:40:24.280 manned spaceflight was

00:40:26.280 a stunt SDI was

00:40:27.900 strategic science

00:40:28.760 fiction with the

00:40:29.900 information super

00:40:30.720 highway media

00:40:31.640 nightmares take off on

00:40:32.900 their own dystopia

00:40:34.160 delivery as election

00:40:36.220 as an election

00:40:37.420 platform politics

00:40:38.700 trading on its own

00:40:39.660 digital annihilation

00:40:40.820 I thought this is a

00:40:41.540 particularly interesting

00:40:42.620 paragraph here

00:40:44.340 obviously at the

00:40:45.320 beginning he's talked

00:40:45.920 about these different

00:40:46.560 waves of the way

00:40:48.420 that technology is

00:40:49.360 entering into our

00:40:50.040 political understanding

00:40:51.800 but by the time he

00:40:52.980 gets to the end here

00:40:53.860 he's talking about

00:40:54.680 how yeah okay

00:40:55.560 space flight's great

00:40:56.660 and you know the

00:40:57.480 you know lasers in

00:40:58.880 space to knock out

00:40:59.640 missiles that's all

00:41:00.560 important but

00:41:01.440 ultimately it's it's

00:41:02.600 the information

00:41:03.140 superhighway it's the

00:41:04.120 internet it's the

00:41:04.900 networking of

00:41:05.660 intelligences that

00:41:07.080 actually starts to

00:41:08.140 deliver these kind of

00:41:09.980 terrifying possible

00:41:11.140 futures and what

00:41:12.400 happens is the human

00:41:13.380 security system because

00:41:15.280 democracy is you know

00:41:16.680 itself its own

00:41:17.620 disaster actually drives

00:41:19.620 us towards being

00:41:20.620 polarized along the

00:41:22.020 different options for

00:41:23.280 human security so

00:41:24.500 these things become

00:41:25.380 these dystopias become

00:41:26.600 election platforms and

00:41:28.220 we start get a lot we

00:41:29.380 start getting political

00:41:30.140 polarization along the

00:41:32.160 lines of things that

00:41:33.120 will actually annihilate

00:41:34.260 politics as we

00:41:35.640 understand them in the

00:41:36.900 same way that it might

00:41:37.920 under you know destroy

00:41:39.000 the human and so this is

00:41:40.360 really critical to

00:41:41.120 understand in a lot of

00:41:42.060 ways you know as we as

00:41:43.700 we watch say for

00:41:45.600 instance the left try to

00:41:46.900 censor everything out of

00:41:47.760 oblivion and create their 0.74

00:41:49.680 own you know misinformation

00:41:50.800 and disinformation czars

00:41:52.540 and their own you know

00:41:54.100 networks of censorship

00:41:55.940 recognize this is exactly

00:41:57.880 what he's talking about

00:41:58.720 these dystopian nightmares

00:41:59.800 emerge and we start

00:42:00.880 trading in in basically

00:42:02.540 the destruction of

00:42:03.840 politics as a core

00:42:05.180 function of politics as

00:42:06.940 we're chasing down this

00:42:08.260 new digital nightmare

00:42:09.420 yeah this is probably one

00:42:11.320 of the more interesting

00:42:12.040 things to look at from

00:42:13.280 30 years ago to today

00:42:14.440 because I think this one's

00:42:15.440 definitely come true the

00:42:16.440 most is is that you know

00:42:18.020 we can sell whether it's

00:42:19.980 you know even the Trump

00:42:20.700 sort of meme energy

00:42:21.800 campaign of 2016 or even

00:42:23.840 today with all the dark

00:42:24.920 MAGA stuff and even some

00:42:26.180 of the the tokens and

00:42:27.440 crypto behind it you have

00:42:28.960 now created a fully

00:42:30.000 monetized way to sell

00:42:31.660 digital like political and

00:42:32.900 digital dystopia to your

00:42:34.040 enemies and also to

00:42:35.000 support your friends the

00:42:36.280 left it does this too

00:42:37.280 whether it's talking

00:42:38.200 about you know you know

00:42:40.100 decolonization online or

00:42:42.140 the advocacy for you know

00:42:44.740 just basically open

00:42:45.800 warfare every you know

00:42:47.040 lefty on Twitter is just

00:42:48.220 an outlet for radio

00:42:49.200 Rwanda but except it's

00:42:50.280 against white people so 0.62

00:42:51.460 now every form of

00:42:52.300 politics is now just

00:42:53.380 taking human biomass with

00:42:55.480 already fractured you

00:42:57.020 know human security

00:42:57.880 systems of bonds and

00:42:58.920 identities and now it's

00:43:00.420 going to just throw them

00:43:01.520 at one another for the

00:43:02.420 sake of securing politics

00:43:03.640 because as land would

00:43:04.600 later write you know if

00:43:05.980 you live in a democracy

00:43:06.920 you have to just do

00:43:07.860 everything now because

00:43:08.780 you don't know if you're

00:43:09.300 going to be in power the

00:43:10.160 next day or in the next

00:43:11.120 election cycle so do it

00:43:12.740 now and what we've now

00:43:14.060 witnessed has been sort

00:43:15.180 of this you know

00:43:15.960 probably the tipping

00:43:17.500 point and this is why I

00:43:18.520 think everyone thinks

00:43:19.300 that this is the last

00:43:20.160 election because at this

00:43:21.500 point now it is watching

00:43:22.660 the frailing human

00:43:24.420 security systems where

00:43:25.600 people have been just

00:43:27.160 totally mind you know

00:43:29.800 boggled by whether it

00:43:30.720 be by wars or the

00:43:31.840 headlines or the news or

00:43:33.300 the fact that you can

00:43:34.020 drop 20,000 Haitians into 1.00

00:43:35.640 a random place and then

00:43:37.060 expect everything to be

00:43:37.900 fine you know the

00:43:39.300 dystopia has not only

00:43:40.420 just become fully

00:43:41.020 digitized but it's very

00:43:42.080 much real and we can

00:43:43.220 watch it in real time

00:43:44.600 and you can watch

00:43:45.600 people have their

00:43:46.240 minds absolutely busted

00:43:47.920 I mean a good example

00:43:48.960 of this would be to you

00:43:50.660 know like the zero

00:43:51.540 covid people because

00:43:52.740 they still think it's

00:43:53.540 the the black plague and

00:43:55.180 it's the end of the

00:43:55.680 world and they do all

00:43:56.380 these crazy things and

00:43:57.120 you laugh at them

00:43:57.880 because it's like oh

00:43:58.440 they're wearing like a

00:43:59.340 gas mask HEPA filter out

00:44:01.500 and about while they're

00:44:02.220 in there and sometimes

00:44:03.260 is it an act probably but

00:44:04.840 it illustrates that people

00:44:06.000 are an incredibly fragile

00:44:07.180 when you can sell a

00:44:08.480 dystopia that feels very

00:44:10.020 real to them in an

00:44:11.420 already fragile

00:44:12.320 schizophrenic state

00:44:13.400 that's exactly right

00:44:14.740 oh I also should have

00:44:16.460 said I didn't give my

00:44:17.220 warning but uh you

00:44:18.540 know land uses some

00:44:20.060 r-rated language here

00:44:21.260 so if you're you know

00:44:22.260 if you're listening with

00:44:23.180 the kids or you're

00:44:24.140 you're sensitive to

00:44:25.340 that be aware I'll be

00:44:26.680 reading what's on the

00:44:27.340 page uh at least unless

00:44:29.540 I'm mispronouncing it

00:44:30.420 uh war in cyberspace uh

00:44:32.500 is continuous with its

00:44:34.200 simulation military

00:44:35.700 intelligence fighting

00:44:36.640 future wars which are

00:44:37.820 entirely real even when

00:44:39.620 they are never

00:44:40.300 implemented outside

00:44:41.300 computer systems

00:44:42.240 locking onto the real

00:44:43.640 enemy crosses smoothly

00:44:44.860 into virtual into

00:44:46.260 virtual kill a simulation

00:44:48.120 meticulously adapted to

00:44:49.860 market predators hunting

00:44:51.060 for consumer cash and

00:44:52.560 audience ratings amongst

00:44:53.620 the phosphorescent relics

00:44:54.860 of the video drone

00:44:56.080 multimedia top boxes are

00:44:58.360 target acquisition devices

00:45:00.120 and so this is very

00:45:01.440 interesting because again

00:45:02.300 this is uh talking

00:45:03.600 basically about fifth

00:45:04.680 generation warfare uh the

00:45:06.600 the way in which uh the

00:45:08.180 attacks on digital systems

00:45:09.820 information media

00:45:11.140 environments will become

00:45:12.940 as essential and as

00:45:14.500 critical as flesh and

00:45:16.100 blood conflict again we

00:45:18.100 can see parts of this

00:45:19.220 playing out uh in in for

00:45:21.840 instance the ukraine russia

00:45:23.340 war where propaganda and

00:45:24.860 constant manipulation of

00:45:25.940 information is critical the

00:45:27.340 ability to hack computer

00:45:28.180 systems the ability to

00:45:29.220 control uh media all of

00:45:31.460 this is is very important

00:45:33.180 and you know ukraine's uh

00:45:35.140 ability to basically sell

00:45:36.460 the war to the united

00:45:37.160 states is in many ways

00:45:38.320 more important than its

00:45:39.540 actual progress on the

00:45:41.420 battlefield uh for the

00:45:42.880 continuation of the war

00:45:44.000 however i always think to

00:45:45.440 some level this is

00:45:46.540 overstated uh because there

00:45:48.860 is always i think a

00:45:50.140 visceral impact that that

00:45:51.820 that matters on the

00:45:52.900 battlefield i think that

00:45:54.380 there's always this

00:45:55.860 assumption that we're

00:45:56.580 going to kind of phase out

00:45:57.680 the necessity of the

00:45:59.060 human in these uh but

00:46:00.400 ultimately he's correct in

00:46:01.580 large part that these will

00:46:02.580 all become really essential

00:46:04.000 uh things and have

00:46:05.200 become really essential

00:46:05.920 things when it comes to

00:46:06.760 modern warfare

00:46:07.360 yeah you cannot understate

00:46:11.580 how important it is to

00:46:12.680 sell war right and again

00:46:15.000 if you can sell a dystopia

00:46:16.360 if you can tell people i

00:46:17.740 mean you have the

00:46:18.240 official this was about a

00:46:19.320 year and a half ago at

00:46:20.280 this point but i mean

00:46:21.060 there's the official nato

00:46:22.360 account was citing you

00:46:24.560 know i think it was either

00:46:25.320 zelensky or some ukrainian

00:46:26.800 spokesperson you know

00:46:28.300 comparing this conflict to

00:46:30.920 every sort of millennial

00:46:32.520 movie slop that you can

00:46:35.060 imagine harry potter

00:46:36.160 marvel all that sort of

00:46:37.600 stuff uh in order to

00:46:39.080 illustrate the point to

00:46:40.160 the average person to just

00:46:41.500 consent to the already

00:46:43.800 you know bloody conflict

00:46:46.060 that you know has levels of

00:46:47.880 tensions and escalations

00:46:49.080 that has definitely changed

00:46:51.340 warfare in you know that

00:46:52.780 brutal way that we can watch

00:46:55.000 on twitter and again like

00:46:56.120 the video drum thing is

00:46:57.420 pretty good as well because

00:46:58.420 again we can watch people at

00:47:00.100 any point in time cheer when

00:47:02.580 there's like footage of

00:47:03.520 someone getting just melted

00:47:04.780 by a drone in real time

00:47:06.540 right and you know that's

00:47:08.100 the state of warfare these

00:47:09.200 days is that it's become

00:47:10.280 spectacle the fusion of the

00:47:12.980 military and the

00:47:13.860 entertainment industry

00:47:14.740 consummates a long

00:47:15.840 engagement convergent uh

00:47:17.820 television telecoms and

00:47:19.840 computers sliding mass

00:47:21.520 software consumption into

00:47:22.820 neo-jungle and total war the

00:47:25.100 way games work begins to

00:47:27.220 matter completely and

00:47:28.220 cyberspace makes a superlative

00:47:29.860 torture uh chamber try not

00:47:32.360 to let the security types

00:47:33.540 take you to the stems

00:47:35.320 conceptions of agency are

00:47:37.900 inextricable from uh from 0.69

00:47:39.940 the media environment print

00:47:41.360 massifies to a national 0.52

00:47:42.920 level telecoms coordinate at a

00:47:45.140 global level tv electro

00:47:47.000 electro electrolyzes monads in

00:47:50.260 delocalized space digital

00:47:52.200 hypermedia take action outside

00:47:54.280 real time immersion presupposes

00:47:56.780 amnesia and conversion to

00:47:58.740 tactile uh to tractile memory

00:48:01.340 with the ana slash cta axis

00:48:04.780 uh supplementing tridimensional

00:48:07.580 uh in interspatial movement with

00:48:10.420 a variable measure of immersion

00:48:12.260 gauging entrance to and exit from

00:48:14.580 3d spatial 3d spatialities voodoo

00:48:18.060 passages through the black mirror

00:48:19.720 it'll scare the fuck out of you

00:48:21.240 so here he's again addressing the

00:48:24.400 way that the media environment and

00:48:26.240 our communications are going to

00:48:27.820 impact our reality the fact that

00:48:30.040 all of these media outlets delocalize

00:48:33.740 space you know we we exist

00:48:36.420 technically in some kind of

00:48:37.840 physical location but all of our

00:48:39.820 social and emotional connections

00:48:41.720 are outside of that they're outside

00:48:43.360 of the normal human existence uh

00:48:45.740 everything is massified everything

00:48:47.520 is interconnected uh we lose a

00:48:50.220 concrete understanding of space and

00:48:52.260 time we build up that digital uh

00:48:54.720 amnesia that uh that prudentialist

00:48:57.540 was talking about previously all of

00:48:59.920 these things are distorting our

00:49:01.520 perceptions of reality and become

00:49:03.360 just as important to us as you know

00:49:06.260 a more traditional understanding of

00:49:08.240 the world would have been

00:49:09.020 previously this is again among many

00:49:11.480 other problems why we can't agree on

00:49:14.400 versions of the truth and versions of

00:49:17.080 morality because all of those things

00:49:19.000 require particularity they require us

00:49:21.640 to observe the same thing

00:49:22.840 simultaneously experience the same

00:49:24.660 thing come from the same culture have

00:49:26.380 the same way of being understanding

00:49:27.820 of these things and technology and

00:49:29.960 communications have ripped us out of

00:49:31.460 all of those connections and has

00:49:33.360 turned everything into kind of this

00:49:35.100 liquid information that makes it

00:49:37.020 impossible for us to really grasp

00:49:39.140 what uh the kind of the reality around

00:49:41.500 us is

00:49:42.080 yeah and i mean that whole passage you

00:49:45.780 just read the the last line is true

00:49:47.340 it just will scare you and i mean you

00:49:49.060 can witness this in real time whether

00:49:50.740 it's uh an entire set of communities

00:49:53.060 that are on board with the destruction

00:49:55.240 of a whole just you know nation state

00:49:56.980 history or people uh on on top of the

00:49:59.300 fact that i mean nafo is a good

00:50:01.360 example of this i mean you've seen all

00:50:03.300 the the footage of people posting their

00:50:05.200 selfies next to their dog profile picture

00:50:06.740 whether you find the war a worthy cause

00:50:09.040 or you want to support say the north

00:50:10.740 atlantic treaty organizations a whole

00:50:12.120 other thing but you've now managed to

00:50:13.920 collectively bring people into sort of

00:50:15.840 this uh auto fictional reality where all

00:50:18.600 of a sudden they are you know just as

00:50:20.080 important on the front lines as the

00:50:21.640 actual people getting you know destroyed

00:50:23.220 by drones and bombs and tanks and

00:50:25.040 missiles to where you have guys like uh

00:50:27.380 what was it the the whole you know no

00:50:28.820 opinion on twitter who's blocked me

00:50:30.600 thank god he has but he had said at one

00:50:32.120 point in time that you know being an

00:50:34.180 activist in the cities is the front

00:50:35.980 line of a nuclear war and it's just

00:50:37.780 like what reality do you live in

00:50:39.900 but you know that's the scary one that

00:50:42.000 we live in now in the sort of black

00:50:43.540 mirror that is our our phone screen

00:50:45.760 very much so uh cyberpunk torch is

00:50:49.280 fiction in intensity patched up out of

00:50:52.620 cash flux mangled techno compressed uh

00:50:55.740 hydroglossic jargons and set and set in a

00:50:58.520 future so close it connects jungled by

00:51:01.320 hypotrophic commercialization social

00:51:03.800 political heat death cultural uh hybridity

00:51:06.920 feminization programmable information

00:51:09.360 systems hypercrime neural interfacing

00:51:12.680 artificial space and uh and intelligence

00:51:15.600 memory trading personality transplants

00:51:18.260 body modification soft and wetware

00:51:20.300 viruses non-linear dynamic processes

00:51:23.100 molecular engineering drugs guns

00:51:25.440 schizophrenia it explores mystification

00:51:28.460 fetishism as an opportunity for

00:51:30.780 camouflage anonymous cash fake

00:51:33.220 electronic identities zones of

00:51:35.220 disappearance so pseudo fictional

00:51:37.000 narrative virus hidden in data systems

00:51:39.620 commodities concealing replicatory

00:51:42.100 replicator weapons packages and

00:51:44.660 unanticipated special effects you know

00:51:48.680 this one is particularly interesting given

00:51:50.200 the um uh given the uh israel attack on

00:51:54.720 hamas uh with the pagers uh that that

00:51:57.800 particular phrase there uh commodities

00:51:59.660 concealing replicator weapon packages

00:52:01.600 but in general this is just a long string of

00:52:04.880 once again kind of these different

00:52:06.260 technologies these different approaches

00:52:07.960 uh that are going to break down the

00:52:09.780 human that are going to uh disrupt the 0.95

00:52:12.780 social patterns as we understand them now

00:52:14.920 and in many cases are going to sneak in uh

00:52:18.100 this kind of artificial system uh through

00:52:20.600 what we think of as more human processes

00:52:23.400 yeah and again a lot of these science

00:52:26.340 fiction sounding terms i mean you can break

00:52:28.380 them and apply them to sort of the the real

00:52:30.220 thing here as well you have uh i think

00:52:33.720 pseudo fictional narratives i mean it's

00:52:35.260 just the media at present time because

00:52:36.840 we're never going to know what's actually

00:52:38.060 happening on the ground unless we're

00:52:39.400 there and we can get an accurate on the

00:52:40.840 ground reporting viruses hidden in data

00:52:43.000 systems i mean stuxnet i feel feels

00:52:45.100 very familiar attacking simians and

00:52:46.800 attacking uh iranian nuclear

00:52:48.620 enrichment facilities um commodities can

00:52:51.920 that's a good one with israel but i mean

00:52:53.600 uh unanticipated special effects yeah and

00:52:56.400 we can see that in real time level one or

00:53:00.300 world space is an anthropomorphically

00:53:02.400 scaled predominantly vision configured

00:53:05.260 massively multi-slotted reality system that

00:53:07.980 is obsolescing very rapidly garbage time is

00:53:11.140 running out and what is playing you make it

00:53:13.720 to level two and basically here he's just

00:53:15.500 saying look the world as we understand it

00:53:17.300 now is oriented towards humans we understand

00:53:19.980 it mainly by our vision uh we understand this

00:53:22.900 reality in particular reference to our human

00:53:26.480 limitations and our human needs but that is

00:53:29.580 running out that system is obsolescing and so

00:53:32.360 what is playing you like what system moving

00:53:35.980 beyond that uh in in some ways we could even

00:53:38.440 understand this as um uh of uh uh hyper agents you

00:53:43.060 know like the these non-human forces these 0.99

00:53:45.240 non-human desires or entities it are those things that

00:53:49.060 are taking over what have been previously a mostly

00:53:53.020 human existence a human centric world are they 1.00

00:53:56.500 going to win out in the future that's a big

00:53:58.480 question for a lot of people

00:53:59.660 and then it's going to skip here into a large

00:54:03.560 amount of uh theory fiction so i'm just going

00:54:05.340 to kind of blow through some of this meltdown

00:54:07.440 has a uh meltdown has a place for you as a

00:54:10.500 schizophrenic hiv plus transsexual chinese latino 0.95

00:54:13.640 stim addicted la hooker with the implanted 0.98

00:54:15.980 meershades and a bad attitude so a a slightly

00:54:19.140 current or cooler version of let's say there's

00:54:22.060 not only this is fiction anymore oran right yeah

00:54:24.700 not so much at this point i suppose that's that's

00:54:27.560 that's just san francisco uh blitz blitzed on a poly

00:54:31.940 drug mix of k nova synthetic serotonin and female

00:54:35.680 orgasm analogs you have just iced three turing

00:54:38.640 cops with a highly cinematic nine millimeter automatic

00:54:41.520 the residue of animal twang in your nervous system

00:54:44.320 transmits imminent quake catastrophe zero is coming

00:54:47.300 in and you're on the run if you've never read any of

00:54:49.720 the neuromancer novels if you're not familiar with kind

00:54:51.880 of the william gibson uh cyberpunk universe uh you should

00:54:55.900 go do that now but there's a lot of references there

00:54:58.620 that you would recognize metrophage tunes you in to the end

00:55:03.480 of the world call it los angeles government is rotting to its

00:55:06.880 core with narco capital and collapsing messily

00:55:10.000 uh its recession leaves an urban wars warscape of communication

00:55:15.200 arteries fortifications and free fire zones

00:55:18.360 uh uh policed by a combination of highly intensified

00:55:22.880 lapd air mobile for uh air mobile forces and borderline nazi

00:55:28.000 private security organizations along the social fracture lines

00:55:32.000 multimedia gigabucks tangle uh sadomasochistically with tracks of

00:55:37.160 dynamic underdevelopment where viral neoprism spreads amongst ancient or

00:55:43.440 ambient tectonic tension static drifts of uh densely semiotized

00:55:48.880 quasi-intelligent garbage twitch and stink in fucked weather tropical heat 0.86

00:55:53.480 so here it's a vision of kind of the the cyber dystopia future

00:55:57.480 where because these human security systems have collapsed so thoroughly

00:56:02.860 uh you end up in in kind of a um uh judge dread uh you know uh system where

00:56:09.940 you have like these highly uh violent uh but you know still unable to really

00:56:15.040 keep true order throughout the city uh the society because so much of the

00:56:19.140 society the basic social function is broken down

00:56:21.740 and you also only have like these private security systems

00:56:25.180 uh that can keep any certain local level of order and again

00:56:28.740 a lot of this is unfortunately not fiction at this point this is very real

00:56:32.680 uh where you have entire cities in the united states

00:56:36.480 where you know huge sections have been abandoned more and more of them are having

00:56:40.460 to be abandoned because the social fabric is breaking down law enforcement

00:56:44.740 either does nothing or overreacts there's there's only one or two ways

00:56:48.640 to go and the only safe spaces in many of those cities are the ones that are

00:56:53.200 privatized uh by those that can afford private security can create their own

00:56:58.000 order so that you know the the wider human security system is broken down

00:57:02.000 and the only way places in which there's still a particular order

00:57:05.660 are those that can kind of break away and become their own thing

00:57:08.540 throughout the uh let's see here

00:57:15.600 throughout the derelicted warrens of the heart of darkness

00:57:19.740 feral youth cultivates splice neo rituals with innovated weapons dangerous drugs 0.99

00:57:24.880 and scavenged infotech as their skins migrate to machine interfacing they become

00:57:30.220 uh malted and reptilian they kill each other over uh for artificial body parts 0.92

00:57:35.620 explore the outer reaches of meaningless sex and tinder

00:57:38.020 their and tinker with their dna and listen to loud electronic sonic mayhem untouched by human feeling

00:57:44.940 uh shutting down your uh shutting down your identity requires a voyage out to case space interzone

00:57:53.180 zootic uh affect affectivity flat lines across a smooth cat attention plateau and into simulated

00:58:01.440 subversions of the near future scorched vivid green by alien sex and war you are drawn into the

00:58:07.900 dripping depths of the net where dynamic ice security uh forces and k gorillas stalk each other 1.00

00:58:14.440 through labyrinths of androgynous zones tangled in disease elaboration diseased elaborations of desire

00:58:21.820 i'm pretty sure i'm not 100 sure but i'm pretty sure that here when he references ice uh security

00:58:28.180 specifically talking about the digital security systems from neuromancer uh they they refer to those

00:58:33.740 as ice if i remember correctly and then the k gorillas would be like the opposite the hackers 0.99

00:58:38.520 trying to get through these things and so he's he's again leaning heavily into this cyberpunk dystopia

00:58:44.440 language to describe the battle between uh the the last vestiges of human security systems uh and those

00:58:51.500 that are completely trying to uh decentralize and destroy uh any any of that uh order uh and you know in

00:58:59.360 the process you know going through all kinds of strange bizarre science fiction science fiction

00:59:04.320 iterations of human existence yeah i mean most of this i think is just going to turn into the science

00:59:12.300 fiction aspect of it all here although the one thing in here that i've yet to see play out in reality

00:59:18.720 well maybe you depends on how you want to read it but um you know the the future of warfare is

00:59:24.400 bacteriological uh that seems to be the highly emphatic one here throughout the rest of this

00:59:29.940 with some references to to human in evolution and trauma but uh only time will tell which again that

00:59:37.120 will terrify you yeah we'll keep going through but if you if you see anything worth coming on just uh

00:59:42.160 just stop me like you said a lot of this is just the the fiction here but we'll we'll continue

00:59:46.900 twisted trading systems have turned the net into jungle pulsing uh with digital diseases

00:59:53.020 malfunctioning defense packages commercial predators headhunters uh loa escaping uh ais

01:00:00.700 hiding from asimov security again talking about that uh desire to uh to limit computers to limit

01:00:07.980 technology to limit artificial intelligence and its escape from human control terminal commodity

01:00:14.400 hyper fetishism implants the denial of humanity as xeno sentience in artificial space biohazard from 0.80

01:00:22.560 the future of war study bacteria or for the future of war study bacteria information is their key

01:00:28.960 uh taking down antibiotic defense systems was in uh has involved them in every kind of infiltration

01:00:35.440 net communicated adaptivity and uh cryptographic subtlety plastic modularization and uh synergistic

01:00:43.280 coalition uh state military apparatus have no monopoly on bacterial warfare of which only a minuscule fragment is

01:00:50.640 uh bacteriological so he's saying that these guerrilla warfare non-state actors uh the the kind of

01:00:58.320 monopoly on large-scale warfare is broken by the ability of people to engage in this highly informational

01:01:06.080 bacterial warfare again breaking everything down to these minute pieces completely shakes up the board

01:01:12.340 shakes up our understanding of the human power dynamic bugs in the system margolis suggests that

01:01:17.840 nucleated nucleated cells are the mutant product of atmospheric oxygenation catastrophe three billion years

01:01:24.080 ago the eukaryotes are uh synthetic emergency capsules in which pyrocates sorry i know i'm saying these uh

01:01:31.600 terms wrong took refuge as mitochondrial as mitochondria biotics become securitized biology

01:01:39.200 nuclear nucleation concentrates rom within a command core where deep in the uh genomic ice dna uh format

01:01:47.200 planetary trauma registers primary repression of the bacteria bacteria are partial rather than whole

01:01:53.680 objects now working through plastic and transversal replica replicator sex rather than uh arboricizing

01:02:00.640 through uh meiotic and gener generational reproducer sex integrating and uh reprocessing viruses as

01:02:09.600 opportunities for commute uh commutative mutation in the bacterial system all coating coatings are

01:02:16.240 reprogrammable which cut and paste unexpected genetic transfers bacterial sex is tactical continuous with

01:02:22.800 making war and was in no and and has no place for edible form uh for uh formations or sedentary biological

01:02:31.120 identity synthesizing bacteria with retro viruses enables everything that dna can do so again he's 0.80

01:02:38.560 saying that we are losing these human limitations we are human we are losing uh these as we kind of move to

01:02:45.520 this more bacterial understanding of knowledge of things spreading of uh things reproducing uh you're

01:02:51.600 leaving uh human reproduction and its understanding and instead going to a more bacterial uh understanding

01:02:58.080 of it and in that process you're also leaving behind things like oedipal formations or sedentary biological

01:03:04.320 identity you're losing cultures and families and and civilizations as we currently understand them

01:03:11.040 k tactics and k tactics the bacterial or xenogenetic diagram is not restricted to the microbial scale

01:03:19.200 microbacterial assemblages collapse uh general generational hierarchies of reproductive wisdom into lateral

01:03:26.640 networks of replicator uh experimentation again destroying the family destroying societies destroying these

01:03:33.040 structures as we understand them and radically altering the way that this different information these different

01:03:39.520 aspects can interact with each other there is no true biological primitiveness all accident biosystems

01:03:46.480 being equally evolved so there's no true ignorance it's only the accumulation of jiran uh jiran track

01:03:54.080 cratic model of learning that depicts uh synchronic uh connectivity deficiency as diachronic under development

01:04:02.960 foco deline delineates the contours of power as a strategy without a subject ram locking learning in a box its enemy

01:04:11.920 is uh is a tactics without a strategy replacing the politico territorial imagery of conquest and resistance with the nomad

01:04:21.920 uh micro military sabotage and evasion reinforcing intelligence so basically if you don't have a home if there's nothing you're fighting for if you're

01:04:29.600 fighting for if you're simply a tactic instead of uh being a something that is uh committed to a particular

01:04:36.240 you know human way of life uh then you can do all kinds of things that otherwise wouldn't work you can take

01:04:41.360 all kinds of risks risks you can re-engineer things you can go through all kinds of iterations that otherwise

01:04:46.960 you would never engage in if you actually cared about or were committed to a particular understanding of

01:04:52.560 humanity or particular understanding of society uh so in many ways this kind of radical decentralization this

01:04:58.720 uh this uh this de-territorialization of all of these things from the human opens up an insane

01:05:04.000 amount of possibilities that have just never been approached before when it comes to warfare and

01:05:08.720 when it comes to an understanding of power yeah and this goes into sort of that delusian

01:05:14.640 nomadism uh some some people uh like our our friend last things or i i know that uh justin murphy

01:05:22.400 is focused a lot on sort of the quote-unquote based reading of deluz that like you can sort of be this

01:05:27.680 pirate in this land of nomadism and a culture that has become so effectively watered down that you

01:05:33.120 can be your own man and anything that you know there's this sort of cyberpunk piracy that can take

01:05:37.840 place however you know and again these are the ongoing political debates about what might be

01:05:42.640 political formula for the 21st century as things continue to break down um but again that nomad micro

01:05:48.320 military and to some extent you kind of see that getting read into a sort of the vitalist sort of uh

01:05:52.880 sphere of things where well why not just form a man or bond and then take to the high seas or

01:05:57.440 follow along with eric prince and take over a small african country and these are like sort of their own

01:06:02.800 visions of the future and i'll be a kind of fictional at the moment but it does illustrate that when all

01:06:07.600 formal human security systems whether it's the nation state the family a large ethnic identity has

01:06:13.040 been broken down to a point where it's commodified for you know uh chuckles and grins then you need to go

01:06:19.040 forward and do what's necessary to to find a way to have meaning and also to survive this uh world of

01:06:24.800 post-truth and a post-meaning that you can simulate whatever you want for your own pleasure or for your

01:06:29.920 own truth and not to say that we live entirely in a post-truth world but it's certainly there now

01:06:35.040 because anything as a political institution or as a um a member of the economy or whatever we've noticed

01:06:42.640 as with the left and i think some people on the right are getting it now in the traditional sense

01:06:46.640 then everything is up for grabs in conflict because it is uh totalizing it is existential

01:06:53.440 it is viral whether you want to use it as a woke mind virus or actually you know viral with certain

01:06:58.560 diseases being subsidized by the state or people like in california not wanting you to get in trouble

01:07:04.320 if you give hiv to somebody but it does illustrate how things are going the total breakdown of bonds

01:07:09.920 means that it's open warfare on everything yeah again it's one of those things where you can

01:07:15.840 uh oppose this right you can say this is not the existence i want to live in this is not the world

01:07:20.240 i want to live in i don't want to accelerate towards this and that's perfectly reasonable but you need

01:07:25.200 to understand that this is a phenomenon that is occurring right whether you like it or not um you

01:07:30.320 know a lot of people understandably get angry on the right when it comes to post-modernism because they

01:07:35.200 say oh well you know these people want to destroy truth these kind of things and they do but they're not

01:07:40.640 wrong about some of these basic understandings of where we are now in modernity that modernity

01:07:46.400 has created the scenario as you point out where everything is up for grabs and these people are

01:07:50.960 everyone is fighting over the you know what is truth and you know what what is value and how

01:07:55.440 should we organize society and the fact that all these things are up in the air creates a moment where

01:08:00.000 a lot of people especially those on the left that don't care about tradition don't care about

01:08:03.280 hierarchy don't care about the continuation of a specific human way of being they say oh well we

01:08:09.520 can just remake everything right and someone like land says oh well we can just make everything and

01:08:13.440 we don't care about the human uh and more traditional people say actually we shouldn't

01:08:16.960 remake everything uh but you should still recognize that these things are up in the air

01:08:20.800 and that's where some guys as you point out like bap come in and say actually there there's a avenue

01:08:26.320 for there's a way forward uh that uh acknowledges that so many of these systems have broken down

01:08:32.160 that we can kind of forge a new thing you know that being the pirate being uh the nomad these are

01:08:37.920 new ways in which we can we can pursue the human uh through a moment in which so many of the things that

01:08:44.320 define what the human has been for a couple centuries is breaking down and so these are all approaches

01:08:49.760 that are trying to grapple with the same question you don't have to agree with any of them but you need

01:08:53.680 to understand the questions there and if you're going to think about the future you need to be

01:08:57.600 thinking about how you address this all political institutions are siberian military targets he's

01:09:03.600 saying all basically all of these current political institutions are things that the process are going

01:09:09.200 to want to destroy take unis universities for instance learning surrenders control of uh to the

01:09:15.040 future threatening established power it is vigorously suppressed by all political structures

01:09:21.200 which replace it with docileizing and conformist education reproducing privilege as wisdom schools

01:09:27.440 are social devices whose specific function is to incapacitate learning and universities are employed

01:09:32.800 to legitimate schooling through perpetual recognition of global social memory i don't think a lot of

01:09:39.040 conservatives would argue with that at the moment the meltdown of metropolitan education of metropolitan

01:09:45.760 education systems is in the near future is accomplished by quasi-punctual bottom-up takeover of academic

01:09:52.880 institutions precipitating their mutation into amnesiac cataspace exploring exploration zones and bases

01:10:03.040 and bases manufacturing siberian soft weaponry to be continued all right we made it through the meltdown

01:10:11.840 that wasn't so bad you didn't have to read it that's true next time i'm yeah this was a fool foolish 0.69

01:10:22.400 of me to to to read all of it i should have i'm drafting you into paragraphs next time you should

01:10:26.880 have forced me to read it yeah that was very foolish of me to try to double down on all this all right

01:10:32.160 guys so uh we're gonna move over to the questions of the people uh thank you for hanging on through the

01:10:37.120 series i know this can be a very confusing one uh we are ourselves you know working our way through

01:10:42.160 it we're trying to understand it uh so i'm sure there are errors somewhere in here uh certainly

01:10:46.960 some with my pronunciation but ultimately i hope that that does unpack a large amount of this again

01:10:52.400 the essay is 30 years old at this point so not everything is accurate things have changed land has

01:10:57.120 changed uh you know i was watching a podcast yesterday where he said uh you know specifically uh the line

01:11:04.080 nothing human uh makes out of the future alive is has haunted him ever since so uh there's a lot of

01:11:09.520 stuff that he is still working on but i i still think it's a fascinating piece i think it does predict

01:11:14.960 a lot of really important things and unlocks a lot of really important issues that we are still not

01:11:20.000 uh grappling with in our current political moment uh so i thought it was well worth going over and

01:11:25.040 trying to decode here uh the prudentialist here has of course been my uh my companion through this

01:11:31.680 arduous journey uh and so you should check out all of his work prudentialist where can people find

01:11:36.320 you oh well thanks oran i mean this has been fun to go through this stuff i it's always nice to get

01:11:42.320 college flashbacks when reading this kind of stuff but no you can find me just anywhere where this

01:11:46.880 lovely amphibian profile picture can be seen i'm on twitter i'm on substack i am on uh youtube as

01:11:53.760 well i have been going through my own reading series sort of diving into people very much inspired by

01:11:58.560 nick land so if you're interested in what these people think about uh i referenced you know trauma

01:12:03.200 earlier they have a huge emphasis on this i've been covering a book called spinal catastrophism

01:12:08.160 uh a secret history by thomas moynihan a good friend dimes from the blood satellite podcast

01:12:13.200 someone you should definitely talk to oran um he and i've been trying to break that down and

01:12:17.280 understand where these people are coming from on these sort of ideas and yeah these are political

01:12:21.440 questions that need to be asked or you need to be aware of those questions uh i also host a show

01:12:25.920 every tuesday evening at 8 pm eastern called the digital archipelago and we just sort of cover

01:12:30.640 digital culture the the news memes literature fiction things like that so we will be live

01:12:35.840 tomorrow at 8 pm eastern uh covering a grab bag of sorts of digital culture questions excellent all

01:12:42.480 right let's go to the questions of the people tiny stupid demon says i continue to believe that

01:12:47.680 this entire essay is just a pretentious cyberpunk styled version of the opening sentence of the

01:12:53.680 unabomber manifesto uh i mean in ways but it actually is going the other direction right he's

01:12:59.680 actually yes they're talking about the impact of industrial society uh but rather than seeing

01:13:05.040 as a tragedy uh for you know human beings uh land sees it as uh something that is used to escape the

01:13:12.960 human to move beyond the human uh so he's he's definitely recognizing certain strains that you can pick

01:13:18.400 up in ted kaczynski's uh manifesto but uh he's taking him in a very different direction

01:13:26.080 uh nick jaded says nick land's meltdown is still easier to understand than lindsey's meltdown

01:13:31.360 big fan of both of you hi from sg turley interview was really good thank you no it was a pleasure to

01:13:36.560 talk to turley and i was surprised actually when i dove into turley's book about uh how much it kind

01:13:41.680 of overlaps with some of uh the things that we've been talking about some of the circles uh that we

01:13:46.480 you know we we kind of uh swim in uh but uh yeah i do have to say that the you know am i an angel

01:13:52.800 summoner am i not i don't know nick land i could see you know i think there's a lot of parallels you

01:13:57.200 know reaching the outside summoning uh demons from the uh uh uh uh from uh what's the iranian

01:14:04.800 religion i've suddenly forgotten uh astro no zero austrianism thank you zero austrianism you know

01:14:10.880 there's some some parallels there i think we can make george hayduke says uh touching on reaction

01:14:18.480 versus acceleration how does this apply to netter humans versus train humans uh allies are like the

01:14:24.960 enemy i'm fighting sorry for the repost uh yeah no problem man i i think this is an interesting

01:14:31.040 question and again one that was addressed by both land and by spandrel uh when kind of nrx was in its

01:14:38.000 heyday online when it was you know doing a lot of debating across different uh platforms different

01:14:43.840 blogs this kind of thing uh you know ultimately uh the the fact that these two factions are part of

01:14:51.360 kind of the same line of thinking uh means that they're going to have a certain level of co-belligerence

01:14:57.040 uh you guys can take a drink i saw someone saying you know to drink every time uh oren mentions co-belligerence

01:15:03.040 uh but you know this is something where you have a you recognize a problem the system as it exists

01:15:09.120 is a problem it is uh hindering both of your visions of the future uh in a way that is unacceptable

01:15:15.680 and so to the extent in which you are unraveling uh that system or you're pushing against that system

01:15:21.600 then you can work together uh but uh at the end there has to be obviously a decision on which way

01:15:27.200 it goes but this is true of all right this is you know charles haywood who came up with the netter

01:15:31.600 thing has pointed out this out many times you know there are pagans on the right there are christian

01:15:35.920 nationalists are on the right there are atheists on the right there are you know uh you know people

01:15:40.480 who are reactionary there are people who are for transhumanism all this stuff has to get hashed out

01:15:44.880 after you win you gotta win first so first real political coalitions is win uh and then figure that

01:15:51.600 out so uh i'm sure that there will be knock down drag out debates over all of that stuff and even to be

01:15:58.000 fair the traditionalists we're gonna have to figure out how technology works like we can't just go

01:16:02.560 completely the luddite route like you're not just going to be able to destroy all of technology and

01:16:07.680 just you know go back to being uh you know um amish people somewhere so that that vision is also just

01:16:14.400 not going to happen so there's some level of synthesis that's going to take place or some level

01:16:19.520 adjustment that's going to take place uh but the first problem is is winning that that is a problem

01:16:24.080 that's big enough for us to have to tackle uh before we get to any of the rest of it yeah that

01:16:29.120 i would agree with orin on this one if you're not addressing the issue of how do you get the people

01:16:34.160 that want to put a knife to your throat now versus the people that might put a knife to your throat 50

01:16:38.880 years from now is an entirely separate question and also when these debates play out on the timeline

01:16:44.320 you get to usually witness that some of these people are either you know secret leftists or

01:16:50.080 have an entirely different agenda than what you initially thought that they were or that the way

01:16:55.600 that you might perceive their perspective was entirely different than how you originally had

01:16:59.360 thought and again you know there are plenty of people who i am definitely inspired by or that i

01:17:04.800 respect that i disagree with on a huge chunk of issues when it comes to uh the metaphysical ontological

01:17:10.480 questions but i understand their perspective enough and i can respect it enough to see how they've gotten to

01:17:14.560 the conclusion that they're at but i also know that i'd rather fight with that guy than the lefty that

01:17:19.600 wants me to like have my kids transed out right like right now uh you know at some point elon musk

01:17:26.320 might send his private security force to try to put a chip in my brain uh and at that point we'll have

01:17:31.440 to come to blows but right now he's destroying the regime as it stands and that's good enough for me

01:17:36.720 like that that's kind of where i've got to be at uh and robert winesfield just sends a super chat for

01:17:42.640 two dollars there thank you very much sir appreciate that oh hey duke has one more here

01:17:49.040 uh then it sounds like it's creating a new franco regime if we win how's that going yeah well again

01:17:54.720 that's you know the the spanish civil war is a allegory that uh you know is not not far off and

01:18:02.000 it is one that you know in which several different factions of the right uh you know had to kind of

01:18:07.280 figure that out in order to you know be able to defeat uh the left at that time so uh you know

01:18:13.840 there there are some parallels there yeah and there are other regimes as well that had the competency

01:18:20.640 enough to start doing the the knifing each other in the back thing only after they got power and virtue 1.00

01:18:26.000 signaling how good they were we can't even do that when we don't have power so uh we're if we're not as

01:18:32.320 confident as some of these uh francoist or other regimes of the the 20th and 19th centuries then

01:18:37.840 uh we have a lot of work to do on our own in organizationally but again it's going to be a

01:18:41.600 matter of competence i i found it so funny that there was that article that came out by the guardian

01:18:46.240 or something or the telegraph wherever whereas noticing all of the uh the people who were doing

01:18:50.400 volunteer work for the hurricane relief were all they they called them like white supremacists or

01:18:54.480 nationals or whatever and it's just like huh sort of a pretty interesting uh you know an endorsement

01:19:00.480 to illustrate that the government doesn't want to do these things because it targets the the wrong

01:19:05.440 people and if all sorts of groups whether it's uh the groups that they had mentioned or just

01:19:10.640 volunteers like the cajun navy or whatever all recognize that the government's not going to do

01:19:14.800 its job to help the people it hates well then it's going to be a neat little tool where all these

01:19:20.080 factions kind of come together and realize no there are greater things that matter here does it mean

01:19:24.960 that there's going to be conflict oh absolutely but at the end of the day that's something that's

01:19:28.880 inevitable with any sort of political movement or evolution it's just going to be who comes out on

01:19:32.640 top is it's about competency i think at this point whoever can deliver the goods is going to be the

01:19:37.760 one that you're going to probably deal with more yeah if you want to win the future be effective like

01:19:43.040 when if you're interested in your ideology becoming the dominant one your faction becoming the dominant

01:19:48.720 one a really good way to do that is to win if you're if you're the one that's providing the

01:19:54.160 logistics if you're the one that's providing the political power if you're the one that's providing the

01:19:58.320 financial assets uh then you get a lot of say in what the future looks like so if your primary

01:20:04.000 concern is how do i becoming a winning faction uh try winning first like actually just be the the

01:20:10.160 most valuable player uh be be the one that is the funnel through which all effective tactics are

01:20:16.080 being deployed and then you're far more likely to be the one in charge at the end of the game

01:20:20.400 uh but again as i as i encourage conservatives over and over again stop rearranging the furniture in

01:20:27.520 the mansion before you've made your first five dollars okay like first you need to actually

01:20:34.560 make a lot of money to to buy the mansion first you need to win the battle before you can then

01:20:38.880 decide what the future is going to look like focus on the winning first okay all right guys we're

01:20:44.560 gonna go ahead and wrap this up thank you everybody for watching of course please make sure to go check

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - October 14, 2024

Understanding Nick Land's 'Meltdown,' Part 3 ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 10⧸14⧸24

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