Jay Burden joins me on the show to discuss the shocking revelation that the U.S. government was running a secret trans sex chat across several agencies, including the NSA and CIA, in which they discussed all kinds of things like who they hated, who they were looking to undermine, and what kind of sex acts they were planning to perform on each other.
00:00:56.240Chris Ruffo dropped a bomb yesterday that he and a few other investigative journalists had obtained leaked information that the American intelligence community was operating a secret trans sex chat across several different agencies,
00:01:15.480including the NSA and the CIA, in which they discussed all kinds of things like who they hated, who they were looking to undermine, what kind of sex acts they were going to perform on each other,
00:01:26.760and probably the grossest of all, the children that they could ultimately groom to fall into the lifestyle that they were perpetuating.
00:01:36.440Interesting. Tulsi Gabbard has already taken action with this information.
00:01:56.500Quite a strange topic to be discussing today, but sadly, nothing that I think ultimately surprises us, though perhaps the dark depths were even worse than we suggested.
00:02:11.920Like if you've been on the Internet for any amount of time, there's a certain amount of degeneracy you almost get used to, right?
00:02:18.980You know, furries were the most shocking thing in the world once you found out about them, but 10 years later, you know, it barely even, you know, registers a response.
00:02:27.860And then this, well, this is, you know, well above and beyond, I think, what any of us would have expected.
00:02:34.200I mean, I think all of us, particularly on the right wing, have made derogatory comments about federal agents from time to time, you know, the idea of the feds.
00:02:43.180And then you see what they're actually up to.
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00:07:41.860And they did so with the full support of NSA leadership, which declared that DEI was not only mission critical, but mission imperative.
00:07:50.340So to be clear, we already know, right?
00:07:54.400The original story about kind of wokeness, DEI, all this stuff, was that it was only going to touch the soft sciences, right?
00:08:01.880It would be in sociology or psychology would take over these departments and colleges,
00:08:07.800but it would never make its way into, say, the military or into medicine, any of these critical aspects of our society.
00:08:16.500It certainly wouldn't alter the way that doctors address their patients in a scenario in which biology is critical, that kind of stuff.
00:08:24.960But knowing that now it, pardon the term, penetrated beyond that and into the intelligence community where literally lives are on the line, right?
00:08:36.140We are told that these people are doing absolutely critical work to keep the nation safe from terroristic threats.
00:08:42.540That's why it's so dangerous for Donald Trump or someone else to mess with the employees there,
00:08:47.480because clearly all these people are just super dedicated civil servants who are only interested in the safety of the United States and the people of the United States.
00:08:57.580And in reality, they're all just spending all day like they're not doing their jobs.
00:09:02.680Instead, they're recruiting, they're recruiting for more people to join their transgender chat so they can talk about their sexual fetishes all day online.
00:09:13.780This is how they're spending their day at work.
00:09:16.120Yeah, you're sending pictures of cats on Instagram, but it's much, much worse when it comes to national security.
00:09:23.480Well, and this is something that, you know, many thinkers in the kind of same general area as we have discussed, right?
00:09:31.260Whether you want to look at the concept of bio-Leninism or the rather crudely named Trannessary meme, you know, there is something to this, right?
00:09:39.720That the people who have most fully swallowed left-wing ideology are literal pawns of power, right?
00:09:46.800They get, as part of their deal, right, they get privileges you and I don't get, right?
00:09:53.540If you and I in the private sector spent all day talking about similar things, we would not have jobs for very long, right?
00:10:01.840And for a very long time, up until recently, that was something government employees did not have to face, right?
00:10:08.760They seemingly could sit around all day and talk about their genital preferences, you know, talk about these kind of like weird, perverse things.
00:10:16.800And, you know, not only would that get you and I a meeting with HR, but we wouldn't have a job, right?
00:10:23.160So, sorry to interrupt, but we should be really clear here.
00:10:26.020You probably could get away with talking about exactly these things.
00:10:30.540You just couldn't get away if you were doing it while heterosexual, right?
00:10:34.700Like, it's literally the heterosexuality of the discussion of these topics that would get you in trouble.
00:10:42.260If you were discussing these topics, then, much like these agents, you would be part of the DEI coalition.
00:10:48.660This would be mission-critical discussions.
00:10:50.260So, it's, in a way, really is straight up, you know, state-mandated homosexuality in the Sam Hyde joke, because if you were discussing that version of sexual preference and what you would do to each other and how you would do it, that's all just work time.
00:11:09.420That's, you know, that's critical to the job of the National Security Agency or the Central Intelligence Agency.
00:11:16.240But if you were a heterosexual man discussing any of this, yeah, you would absolutely be nuked from orbit.
00:11:23.240Well, and there's a, you know, there's another layer to this, right?
00:11:25.760That these are not simply ostensibly useless make-work jobs, right?
00:11:31.380In every movie and every television show, we are assured that these agencies are on the bleeding edge, right, of the fight against terrorism and organized crime.
00:11:40.720And yet, you know, anytime there's some sort of mass casualty event, we learn that, well, he was on our radar, but there's nothing we can do, which has prompted many to ask the question, well, what are you doing?
00:11:52.640And it turns out the answer is basically just holding, like, weird roleplay on, like, a knockoff Discord server.
00:12:01.240Well, and the reason that all these trans shooters were probably on their radar is they were probably inviting them to the chat rooms.
00:12:07.360Like, I was about to say, that's the reason that they know who these people are, because they're probably networking directly with the very, like, insane degenerates that are murdering people.
00:12:20.280And they don't want to, like, rat out their buddy because they're hoping at some point they can put a move on them or something, right?
00:12:25.620So, like, we're joking, but, like, people have been murdered in relation to this kind of stuff.
00:12:32.740And sadly, like, we don't know how much of our jokes are actually applicable in this scenario.
00:12:39.880As you just pointed out, we're constantly told that it's incredibly dangerous for Trump to get in there and overturn the bureaucracy.
00:12:47.920And how could you mess with all of these objective civil servants who are just working for the good of the people?
00:12:53.960This is, you know, this is what a dictatorship looks like.
00:13:25.640And it's sort of an interesting thing, right?
00:13:28.640If you, you know, you look into that term democracy, you know, like many things in modern discourse, it has a literal dictionary definition and then the kind of working definition.
00:13:38.480And the working definition basically seems to be how much homosexual activity your organization pays for and endorses, right?
00:13:51.160So you have countries where someone is, you know, dofully elected, right?
00:13:56.260To the, you know, a relatively acceptable degree of security.
00:13:59.520But if they, you know, if they don't approve of, and I'm speaking very delicately here, they don't approve of non-traditional sexual relationships.
00:14:08.980Well, that's a dangerous dictator, right?
00:14:33.320Normally, I don't dwell on this stuff, but I feel like it's kind of critical at this juncture to, like, explain how completely insane and unhinged the people who are literally in, you know, whose job it is to decide if you're just going to get disappeared to a black site in the United States.
00:14:50.340Like, how mentally unstable and evil these people are, you know, the joke is it's the global American empire, right?
00:14:58.720And, like, we literally find out that, yes, like, that's not just a joke from the flags they're putting up.
00:15:05.560That is literally what is required to operate inside the system at this point.
00:15:10.580Like, these guys are, you know, it's like, you know, the old joke is you had to start taking up smoking so you could get the smoke breaks because they were institutionalized.
00:15:19.760Well, the only way you can get a joke, a break on the job is to take up smoking.
00:15:24.080Well, if you want to spend all day not doing your job in, you know, any of America's intelligence agencies, you were incentivized to become trans.
00:15:32.580Like, that's actually the way to avoid doing any of the work.
00:15:37.240So, you know, Rufo here with some of the documentation, one popular chat topic was male to female transgender surgery, which involves surgically removing the penis and turning it into an artificial vagina.
00:15:46.880And the male intelligence agents love the feeling of being penetrated and peeing on others with their pseudo vaginas.
00:15:53.000And in case you think he was making that up, you can see the redacted discussions here with the different intelligence agencies marked who are participating.
00:16:03.080And you can see, you know, them talking about wearing leggings, peeing on each other here, penetration, just like he discussed.
00:16:11.260Just the absolute, you know, this is not like, oh, I mean, I'm feeling kind of self-aware about trying to slide into this new identity.
00:16:20.680This is the most hardcore, and again, you know, this is like really key.
00:16:26.380This is at the center of a lot of people choosing to engage in this type of behavior.
00:16:30.740But just the fact that this is what the intelligence agencies are discussing on work time and are encouraged to do so because this is mission critical.
00:16:43.020And, you know, again, when we talk about, you know, erasing wokeness from the military or the government, you know, it's easy to look at that as just, you know, part of the culture war, right?
00:16:54.620You know, saying these are things that we don't like, and there's certainly some validity to that.
00:16:58.720But what's very clear, right, is that this sort of ideology will overtake the entire institution, right?
00:17:06.720This is no longer an institution for spying, it's an institution for gay sex, right?
00:17:22.860Well, all of a sudden, right, you've created a get out of jail free card.
00:17:27.160And sure, while I'm certain there are some people there who have legitimate gender confusion, what you've also done is you've created an unaccountable class, right?
00:17:37.280And when you add on top, you know, the categories that require less commitment than, you know, being trans, like, you know, non-binary or the other kind of like weird neo-pronouns, well, guess what?
00:18:00.060Yeah, that level of protection, of course, again, as you point out, I've seen this everywhere.
00:18:04.980This is, you know, why kids will embrace this ideology in school because it actually makes them, like, bully proof.
00:18:12.320They know that no one can attack them or can in any way criticize them once they kind of have the shield.
00:18:19.660You see this in universities, you see this in workplaces, but now, again, you see this in intelligence agencies, things that are life or death.
00:18:29.720These people are deciding, you know, where do spies go?
00:18:32.980What information decides whether or not a train, you know, we're going to catch somebody trying to blow up a train or shoot up a school?
00:18:39.320Are we going to try to apprehend this guy moving through some kind of international area where we can, you know, grab him up and take him for questioning?
00:18:50.060Like, these are all decisions that are made in these arenas.
00:18:53.680And instead of focusing on that, like, incredibly important work, you know, as we can see here, you know, we got individuals discussing whether or not they're going to get their butthole lasered.
00:19:06.720They're going to get their fake, you know, trans boobs grabbed.
00:19:10.920You know, how much is it going to cost them to get these different, you know, experimental surgeries done?
00:19:17.200And this is how they spend their time.
00:19:20.480And very importantly here, let me see.
00:19:23.340Oh, we have some polycule talk, of course.
00:19:28.560But what we also will see is that a lot of these people were explicitly discussing their intentions of undermining the Trump administration.
00:19:39.400They hate all these different actors who are supposed to come in and clean this up.
00:19:43.060So this isn't just a, like, you know, a hive of scum and villainy, a place for degenerates to gather.
00:19:53.340It's also specifically a fifth column inside the intelligence agencies who are rallying around this identity in particular as a place in which they will then strike out and push back against the duly elected government of the United States.
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00:20:56.060And, you know, you see that in, you know, how often these things are correlated with, you know, extreme far-left ideology, right?
00:21:03.600It's the same root idea of, basically, I get to decide, right?
00:21:07.940I get to decide what happens to my body.
00:21:10.020I get to decide, you know, what it is appropriate for me to do in a sexual context, right?
00:21:16.140It's this kind of, like, extreme, you know, liberationist view of the world, right?
00:21:21.300And so when you look at, you know, and these clips kind of go around on social media, right, of some kind of, like, you know, religious figure who's got every, you know, left-wing symbol under the sun all at once.
00:21:30.600And in some ways, they're mutually contradictory.
00:21:33.320But, you know, this really is, it's a religion, right?
00:21:37.720It's a comprehensive ideology that gives you this kind of, like, guiding principle to go towards.
00:21:43.960And again, right, if we're talking about democracy, right, democracy doesn't mean, you know, who's actually elected because Donald Trump was elected.
00:21:52.360It means this kind of, like, nebulous group of, you know, special identities and privileges that must be preserved above all else.
00:21:59.940And so you can have someone out of one side of their mouth talking about respecting democracy and out of the other say, and we have to resist Donald Trump at every turn.
00:22:10.180You know, again, right, it's very clearly completely, you know, incoherent from one perspective.
00:22:15.060But, you know, really, these people are religious zealots, right?
00:22:19.280It's why that term Tranniserys has caught, you know, gained so much ground.
00:22:24.140These people are the ideological foot soldiers of the regime.
00:22:27.520They have taken it to the, you know, the most extreme case you can, which is, you know, self-mutilation.
00:22:35.280They've shown, that's the final measure of devotion, basically, until the true final measure of devotion.
00:22:41.680They've gone as far as you possibly can without that one.
00:22:44.720And ultimately, you see that these guys, because they have created this scenario in which they truly believe that their entire identity, the one that they mutilated their body for radically, is only defensible in a scenario in which progressives have hegemonic power.
00:23:03.020They rightly treat the entrance of Trump and his duly elected cabinet and other officers as a existential threat to their lifestyle.
00:23:13.860Like, no one is going to let them sit around all day and chat about this kind of stuff if you don't have a wildly dedicated ideological, you know, system built into the entire civilization.
00:23:26.540Not just the government, but media, business, religion, every aspect of this.
00:23:31.480And it's really interesting, you know, you mentioned the religious aspect of this, comparing it to the Janissaries.
00:23:37.480But the fact that every bureaucratic civilization inevitably ends up being run by eunuchs can't be a coincidence, right?
00:23:51.460There's a very Spanglerian cycle to the fact that, like, late-stage empires inevitably end up being run by people who, you know, either through their own choice or through the choice of others, end up without their genitalia.
00:24:09.420There's no way that that happens over and over again.
00:24:13.760And, you know, obviously there's incentives when you're in a monarchical situation.
00:24:18.800The eunuchs can't have children with the queen or, you know, the royal daughters or anything, so they're safe to be around women, that kind of stuff.
00:24:26.360That's why they tend to be placed in these positions of power initially, because they're not a threat to the dynastic succession.
00:24:32.340But there's also a spiritual gelding that obviously kind of presents itself over and over again inside these civilizational cycles.
00:24:42.340Again, it just cannot be a coincidence that reliably, when you have specifically a bureaucracy, it's the form in which these eunuchs inhabit, you constantly have them rise to power.
00:24:57.140And we just see that manifested once again.
00:25:00.820Hopefully that's something we're breaking out of, but I'm just fascinated by the fact that this is a reoccurring theme throughout every civilization that kind of goes through this era.
00:25:10.720Yeah. Well, definitely. Right. And there's, it's no secret, right, that even, and this is going to be something difficult to say delicately, right, that same-sex attracted men do quite well in politics, right?
00:25:28.280And, you know, this is something that's been identified for quite some time, right? You see it in the English political system as well as ours.
00:25:34.320And there's a level to this, which is basically these people have no project, right? They do not have their own dynasty.
00:25:42.800And so, one, they're incredibly power motivated, right? Their entire area of effect is limited to their life.
00:25:49.360But also, right, they can place their highest loyalty to an institution, right? They're not having to take time off to go to kids' soccer games. They're not worried about something other than that institution, right?
00:26:02.120And so, if you're on the other end of this, right, if you're creating your ideal soldiers, you're looking for someone who doesn't have other loyalties, right?
00:26:09.920You are their primary purpose in life. And so, really, you know, it's no shock that particularly, you know, people without children for any number of reasons, right, are strongly associated with the ideological left for exactly that reason, right?
00:26:23.760There's nothing else for them outside of, you know, their life frame. And obviously, that isn't universal, right? There are plenty of people without children who are conservative, but it is a trend, right?
00:26:34.160It's an exploitable trend. And, you know, again, this is the most extreme case, but, you know, we see it in action here.
00:26:41.660No, that's a great point. We've spoken so many times on this channel about how the key to opposing the dominance of an ideology or state power is opposing spheres of influence, right?
00:26:56.120The church, the family, the community. These are the things that ultimately limit the amount of demands that the state can make on an individual because the individual in a proper society is not an individual.
00:27:08.960They have a large network of obligations that they have to meet on a regular basis.
00:27:14.180And so, there's only so much that the state can demand because there's all these other networks that the individual has to constantly be plugged into in order to survive and find meaning and fulfill their role in society.
00:27:26.980And so, they simply can't devote their entire life, their entire fortune, their entire being to an ideology, to an organization, to an operation.
00:27:36.200But the more and more that the state is able to isolate the individual, the more they're able to draw them out of those networks, the more that they're able to make them entirely dependent on the state itself and not any of these other activities inside society like raising children or providing for parents or seeing to the needs of a church or community,
00:27:55.000the more they can completely devote themselves over the stronger that the central government can become, the more total the state's demands can ultimately be.
00:28:03.160And what could be more total of a demand, what could be more complete of a political soldier for a cause, a complete devotion of life to one aspect of an ideology than the trans ideology?
00:28:16.640It not only, of course, fundamentally changes you for life, removes the ability to have children, moves the ability often to just reach climax, like all kinds of horrible things that it does over a person's life to them,
00:28:28.960but it also usually makes the person an infinite patron or a client, rather, of the medical system.
00:28:36.500They're completely dependent on the flow of drugs and treatments that come in.
00:28:40.220And, of course, you have to find a justification for this.
00:28:43.440Once you've made this the center of your life, you can't go back for most sweet cases.
00:28:49.400You see all the people who tried to detransition and just the terrible difficulties that they face.
00:28:54.280And how do you explain that to parents, spouses, kids, everything else that's connected that you already kind of sold on this change?
00:29:07.560You can become this full-on ideological soldier who does nothing but, well, spend your whole day sitting in a chat room talking to other people who are supposed to be safeguarding the intelligence interests of the entire United States about whether or not you're going to get your butt lasered so you can be more attractive to other trans dudes.
00:29:29.720And if we look at the kind of long-term arc of liberalism, modernity, however you want to look at it, right, the way that those states have increased their power is basically by breaking social bonds, right?
00:29:44.640If you look all the way back from the Reformation through the French Revolution to now, right, what you see is a series of bonds broken.
00:29:54.380Now, look, right, I happen to think that at least some of those were probably a good thing, but nonetheless, right, that is how the state's power grows, right, by getting rid of those sort of intermediary institutions.
00:30:07.940And so when we look at, well, how far can you take that, right, how far can you, you know, how many barriers can you break?
00:30:15.380Well, to be honest, there really aren't many left, right?
00:30:18.940The barrier of, you know, what category of human you are, male or female, that's pretty basic, right?
00:30:27.420Similarly, right, one of the reasons that, you know, we see so many of these trans advocates going after children, right, as they did in these chat logs, right?
00:30:36.520Well, certainly there's just a level of base sexual perversion there, right?
00:30:40.180I don't want to, you know, overly intellectualize this, but also that is one of the very few sacred bonds left, right?
00:30:47.380That is one of the very few bonds that you can't really, at least in some circles, touch, right?
00:30:52.320It's still sacred, but there's that desire to keep going and keep going and keep going.
00:30:58.100And while there certainly is, you know, an ideological backing, you know, I doubt any, you know, radical trans activist would say, you know, I want to break down the parent-child barrier to increase the power of the state, right?
00:31:11.240But that is, in effect, what they are doing, right?
00:31:13.900That is the effect of their actions and beliefs.
00:31:16.740And again, right, when our nation's ideology is this kind of woke nonsense, it's no surprise that the people, you know, closest to the center of power, right, or at least one center of power, right, the intelligence community, well, they're rotten to the core with it, right?
00:31:33.800It is the, that is kind of the currency of power.
00:31:40.480And I mean, let's, let's just take a look here.
00:31:42.700I mean, as you say, it's, it's both, you know, it's, it's not rocket science.
00:31:46.720These people do indeed have a specific proclivity, even though they deny it.
00:31:52.660But at the same time, it also creates this structure in which they're breaking down those final barriers, those final bonds, as you were talking about, the few things that stand between the average person and the total state.
00:32:06.520Uh, and so, you know, they, like you said, they probably wouldn't announce that that's their purpose, but obviously that's a consequence of what they're doing here.
00:32:13.920And, uh, Rufo in this tweet, uh, you know, lays out that part of the chat.
00:32:17.680He says, NSA and CIA officials express their desire to have hermaphrodite babies in order to advance trans ideology and intersex birth would be a great opportunity to raise a kid as non-binary and let them choose.
00:32:30.000These are the people who run the surveillance state.
00:32:33.680You can see here in the chat, what he's talking about, uh, how are you raised?
00:32:37.760He goes, how you will be, uh, that's not what I'm saying.
00:32:40.700I'm saying that you're a hundred percent, the results of your experiences.
00:32:43.760That does not mean the way that you're raised will, uh, be the way that you turned out.
00:32:47.640So they're talking about nature versus nurture in the context of their own, uh, you know, trans sexuality.
00:32:53.960Uh, and then they talk about how an intersex birth would be a great opportunity to raise a kid as non-binary, uh, you know, just have them not choose at all ever.
00:33:02.160Uh, and so, you know, we're already talking about, you know, how can we get children and raise them in this ideological understanding, uh, you know, then they're trying to discuss the difference between hermaphrodite and intersex here.
00:33:17.160Uh, so you can see that, you know, this, this is the level that the chats went to, uh, as they're discussing this.
00:33:23.240Now, this has ultimately resulted in action by Tulsi Gabbard, who was recently confirmed as the director of national intelligence.
00:33:32.460Uh, and, uh, she has said, uh, that they are already, uh, firing more than a hundred intelligence officers across 15 different agencies for being involved in this chat.
00:33:47.660Honestly, uh, these guys probably were involved in criminal behavior.
00:33:52.180If they were doing this on, uh, on agency time, uh, this isn't the UCMJ.
00:33:58.440I don't think that applies to intelligence officers, the, uh, uniform code of military conduct.
00:34:03.620Uh, so I'm not sure that dereliction of duty is itself a criminal offense.
00:34:07.960However, if these guys were, uh, recruiting, uh, other activists and, uh, pulling people away from, again, mission critical operations to have these kinds of discussions and, uh, you know, encourage this kind of grooming and others in these chat rooms.
00:34:21.540I've got a feeling that, uh, somewhere someone committed a very serious crime, not just, uh, slacking off at work.
00:34:29.060I mean, maybe this is, maybe this is wrong to say, I don't really care which law this technically breaks.
00:35:13.500That wouldn't be appropriate if you had some, you know, relatively unimportant job, you know, pick your poison of, you know, jobs where you probably could sit around and talk about this all day.
00:35:23.080I don't think that I, as a taxpayer should be forced to pay for this under the auspices of keeping me safe because it very clearly has nothing to do with that.
00:35:33.940And also this is not really a minor point, but it's gross and weird.
00:35:38.660Like, I feel like that doesn't need to be said, but I don't want to support this.
00:35:42.560It should be actually more emphasized.
00:36:10.580Like you actually don't need to be ashamed or find some kind of, you know, third rationale for which you can justify what are entirely reasonable expectations for human behavior.
00:36:22.280That said, I wanted to pivot a little bit and discuss how revelations like this work.
00:36:29.520Because, so obviously this is important.
00:36:32.520This should come out no matter what, right?
00:36:36.040This would be big news no matter what from Rufo here.
00:36:39.600However, it's not a mistake that these stories are coming out in tandem with attempts to dismantle the deep state, right?
00:36:47.440A large amount of what Trump has to do in order to be successful for conservatives, Republicans, the right wing to ultimately win real victory, as we've discussed over and over again, is the dismantling of the administrative state.
00:37:50.260Starving children in Africa aren't getting their AIDS medication.
00:37:54.420And then you point out, like, actually, no, this money is going to, like, fund atheism in Nepal or trans comic books in Colombia or Peru or whatever.
00:38:08.580These are hardworking individuals, right?
00:38:10.640And then you drop information like this, and it becomes very clear to the American people that what you're dismantling is not this objective, neutral civil service that only has the interest of the American people in mind.
00:38:23.100But what you're doing is basically fumigating a just absolute rat's nest of degeneracy court unix, complete and utter just scum that should not be anywhere near power, should not be, you know, nobody should be subjected to, like, what they are doing here in these chat rooms.
00:38:43.740But certainly it's not something that they should be paid to do as mission-critical DEI work in the middle of the federal intelligence agency.
00:38:54.300And, you know, one of the things that, you know, we need to realize in this is that this is very likely not unique, right?
00:39:01.360That this seems to be the way government agencies work, right?
00:39:07.660This does not seem to be, you know, an isolated case.
00:39:10.940Now, obviously, you know, it's particularly severe because this is, you know, allegedly the very serious part of government, right?
00:39:17.160But if we're looking for, you know, action items on how can we grade Trump, right?
00:39:21.500Well, how is he actually doing, you know, basically it is determined by how much he can actually carve out of the deep state because this stuff matters, right?
00:40:53.320And I don't want to keep going back to, you know, your feud with our, you know, our mutual friend, academic agent.
00:41:01.880But, you know, one of the things that, you know, has been an open question is, well, to what degree do the allegedly serious parts of government, right, the hard power, to what degree do they buy into this ideology?
00:41:13.740And it seems like the answer is a lot.
00:41:16.760Like, they really buy into it to the point where they are getting, should we say, somewhat uncomfortable elective surgeries and lasering their buttholes.
00:41:24.300There's a certain amount of commitment there.
00:41:38.740That said, it is very clear that there's a mix of things happening.
00:41:42.720Like, Joy Reid is, you know, getting fired from MSNBC.
00:41:46.100You've got, you know, Jeff Bezos talking about how he's going to trim the opinion columns at the Washington Post to not be quite so radically liberal.
00:41:56.680We'll see how much that actually gets done.
00:41:58.880But simultaneously, we get stuff like this uncovered.
00:42:01.040So it's clear that some aspects of the ruling elite are attempting to put the woke away.
00:42:05.940But I feel pretty safe in my analysis that this is a core doctrine that infiltrated deeply into the more serious aspects of the ruling elite.
00:42:14.800We're often told that the intelligence agencies were basically the ultimate boss of our elite class.
00:42:21.540They were the final word in kind of academic agents construction, like banks and intelligence agencies were basically like the two big bosses.
00:42:30.380And the fact that they were operating a DEI trans chat for grooming children is like, well, I think they might have believed some of this then.
00:42:37.880But that said, we have quite a stack of super chats there in front of us.
00:42:44.780So we should probably get to the questions of the people.
00:42:46.780Before we do, is there anything you want people to check out, Mr. Burden?
00:44:02.900So having a high degree of debt, you know, like a gambling habit, you know, a wild sexual perversion.
00:44:11.280Like, these are all things that basically barred you from working in the intelligence community because it made you very vulnerable to human intelligence actions.
00:44:23.100They could get photos, this kind of thing.
00:44:25.440And it seems like the way that the American intelligence agency basically decided to get over this hurdle was just to make sure everybody was doing it.
00:44:33.980Like, you couldn't be blackmailed with it because it was actually something to be proud of, something to be celebrated, something to be preferred.
00:44:40.040If you were doing that, that actually seems to be the way that they kind of more or less averted what was the problem of the blackmail based on these kind of sexual activities.
00:44:51.200Well, and I think that there's a, you know, another contributing factor, which is how often are these type of sexual perversions the only thing going on, right?
00:45:03.060Like, how long is that the, how often is that simply, you know, that's where it stops.
00:45:08.540And, you know, obviously I know nothing about, you know, certain events at Fort Bragg, but I'll put it this way.
00:45:14.020I have a feeling that if you dug into these hundred people, you'd find a lot more.
00:45:18.080You know, if this is what they're saying at work, who knows what they're doing.
00:45:21.580When they're in the privacy of their own home.
00:45:24.260I've got a, I've got a sign that I tap about this on a pretty regular basis that I think would apply.
00:45:31.240I think as educated guests, like you said, no, no hard proof immediately, but I think that's a pretty safe assumption.
00:45:38.460John Carter here says, I always appreciate when you have a subject matter expert on, for the topic at hand.
00:45:44.940Jay, do you feel like you're, you're particularly qualified on the intelligence community or the other stuff in this one?
00:45:50.960Well, as a, as a longstanding policy of mine is to confirm all rumors.
00:46:12.060Michael Robertson says, in cultural revolutions, people swap their old uniforms for an ascendant uniform.
00:46:20.140These people make permanent changes to their identity as woke forever.
00:46:23.640What happens after the woke and what do they do?
00:46:26.620Yeah, that is actually a really critical thing, right?
00:46:29.200This is, this is a burn the ships, uh, burn the bridge type scenario, right?
00:46:34.260You know, the reason that you have people, uh, buy into an identity like this, it is very hard, if not impossible, to completely reverse.
00:46:43.020So when you make this kind of commitment, you know, you're not just getting a tattoo, even, you know, you're doing something that is, uh, irrevocably changing your body.
00:46:52.400And even with the best efforts of surgeons and such is going to leave very serious side effects, uh, probably make you dependent on chemicals and, and, and, and, uh, care for life.
00:47:02.420Uh, so if you just pivot away, you know, this is again, one of those reasons I was always, uh, pretty skeptical that we could just easily discard all this stuff.
00:47:12.360Once you've encouraged so many of these people to buy in, you know, what do they do after?
00:47:17.180Are they, are they just the walking wounded or, you know, are they, uh, basically like the victims of out of control, uh, you know, psychological experiments from years gone by, you know, what, what happens to these people if we truly move on from this insane moment?
00:47:34.300It's similarly to my point about, you know, how we can grade Trump.
00:47:38.120I think that this will be kind of a leading indicator that, you know, the train, the changes Trump have brought are permanent and lasting, right.
00:47:46.420That, that we will start to see defections.
00:47:49.040Now, obviously we'll probably start to see them from kind of, you know, the right word edge of, you know, the liberal coalition that seems to make sense.
00:47:57.200But, you know, these people, like you've said, I don't know if there is any going back for them because they have permanently and irrevocably bought in, right.
00:49:45.760However, I wouldn't, I wouldn't go hard in the paint, right?
00:49:48.820You're, you're kind of in the last few miles of this in a lot of ways.
00:49:53.320And so pushing too hard on this stuff ultimately probably doesn't do a whole lot.
00:49:57.940If they're so dedicated that even after kind of the ideological shift, uh, the shift in kind of cultural momentum, all the stories coming out, if they're still deeply bought into that ideology, then you're probably not going to just argue them out of it.
00:50:12.020Like more has to change in their life.
00:50:13.860The incentive structures have to change before they're going to probably flip.
00:50:17.580So again, that doesn't mean you shouldn't have the arguments chambered.
00:50:20.500You should know where this stuff is so you can present it if they need it.
00:50:24.000But ultimately I wouldn't burn friendships or family, uh, connections over this, especially at this point.
00:50:31.160Uh, because you know, if, if they were going to like not spend near, if they're like, Oh, you're conserved.
00:50:38.880But if they were someone who is still hanging around, still being part of your life, and now they're seeing kind of the, the weight of all these changes fall on top of them, they might be closer to flipping on their own than you think.
00:50:49.980Well, and my perspective on this, right, is we've been using religious language to talk about this.
00:50:55.640And I think that that's very apt in this circumstance.
00:50:58.660Are there people who are converted by a crazy guy on the street street corner yelling at them, you know, repent or you'll go to hell.
00:51:08.060But also, uh, the vast majority of people find that kind of unsettling because the problem is when you're changing allegiances, whether it is religiously or politically, there's a certain amount of that.
00:51:54.120In case you didn't know, uh, Elon Musk kind of did this, uh, basically pulse check on the federal bureaucracy saying, send me an email with the five things, five bullet points that you have, uh, accomplished.
00:52:11.520Uh, this is a question that basically every average person has to answer on a regular basis in their work, uh, and asking it of government employees is entirely reasonable.
00:52:21.600Uh, unfortunately, as you point out, Rufo kind of brings us light on what they are actually doing.
00:52:26.420And it is, uh, every bit as horrible, if not more than we thought.
00:52:31.620Uh, creeper weirdo says, or, and did you see AA's video on the woke getting put away?
00:53:21.660Yeah, it is once again, interesting how many people will ignore.
00:53:25.500And unfortunately, probably quite a number of Republicans, conservatives will ignore the, uh, kind of inevitability, uh, that this kind of thing was produced.
00:53:34.540You know, the, the actions and allowances that got us here are pretty obvious, but the slippery slope remains undefeated.
00:53:49.200Uh, tiny Rick says, allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment and suggest that the lasering of the troops butthole is in fact a matter of national security.
00:53:57.960JK to be right-wing is not to be insane and great show and guests.
00:54:43.400Uh, glorified gardens says Jay Dyer talks about how the deep state preferred degenerates, uh, for spies and operatives as they're easy to blackmail or compromise.
00:54:53.520At least used to be a, yeah, we, uh, you probably submitted this after we already discussed that, but yeah, absolutely.
00:54:58.740That was a basic standard in the intelligence community.
00:55:01.920One of the reasons you didn't put, uh, people with these proclivities in important positions is that they were easy to be.
00:55:09.520You get a couple of compromising photos for a guy who's got, you know, the passwords to a specific satellite.
00:55:15.580You, you show up, uh, and, and, and, you know, or email it to him or whatever.
00:55:19.560And he ends up becoming a double agent.
00:55:21.700Uh, this is a classic trap that was used by intelligence services all the time.
00:55:25.720So yeah, maybe the, the, uh, technological update, or I guess the, the social technology that you're, you're using here, uh, to try to get around that is, uh, you just make everyone a degenerate and make it normal or make it even laudable.
00:55:38.420And then you don't have to worry about the blackmail aspects.
00:55:41.120Well, and this is, I cannot remember his name, but one of the longest running, uh, Russian moles in the U S government who, you know, sent just.
00:55:50.920Droves of information to the Soviets, uh, he was compromised because he was a closeted homosexual.
00:55:55.720Uh, again, you know, this was during the seventies and eighties when that was majorly taboo and that's how he flipped.
00:56:04.340And obviously, uh, should we say social attitudes have changed, but you know, the, the very basic piece of wisdom that, you know, people in charge of secrets shouldn't have compromising hobbies.
00:56:24.740All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.
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