00:00:00.880Hey, everybody. How's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great
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00:00:30.000All right, guys, you're not going to believe this, but once again, we had a decent number of Republicans absolutely betray us on the idea of immigration.
00:00:39.000It turns out that despite the fact that Trump won an overwhelming mandate and that the voters of the Republican Party have made it clear time in and time out that they don't want to extend any kind of amnesty.
00:00:51.580They don't want to extend any form of mass migration.0.86
00:00:54.660In fact, they want to close the borders, limit immigration, and expel those who are here illegally.
00:01:00.380Despite all of that, we still have Republicans who are running on the idea that we need to
00:01:05.100shove as many people into the United States as possible.
00:01:08.680We're going to talk about that betrayal again today, but before we get started, let me introduce
00:01:13.320you to, of course, one of your favorite co-hosts, Jay Burden.
00:05:03.540We've all seen, you know, for better or for worse, mostly for worse, all the videos coming
00:05:08.560out of the Ukraine war with Russia and everything going on there.
00:05:11.700And yet we seem to get relatively very little on the ground footage comparatively to what's
00:05:16.860going on with Iran and the United States and Israel.
00:05:20.220And of course, we have the fact that there's these constant contradictory statements.
00:05:24.300we have Donald Trump saying one thing Israel says something entirely different and then Iran says
00:05:30.000something entirely different on top of that part of it is probably also that Iran just doesn't know
00:05:34.720who's in charge in any given moment they have this insane situation where so many of their people
00:05:39.780have been killed and they're so far down the command structure that is there one centralized
00:05:44.120voice with which Donald Trump can even make a peace deal that's hard to really know maybe that's
00:05:49.720the point that's what Israel's hoping for is that if you destabilize a state far enough you know
00:05:54.160ultimately they want a failed state so as long as there's no one to negotiate with you can't
00:05:58.260achieve a piece because there's always one guy willing to fire off a rocket somewhere outside
00:06:02.600of the chain of command or with his own little platoon or you know that kind of thing so the
00:06:07.020whole thing is just a constant mess and we could sit here and try to stay on top of the algorithm
00:06:11.560and you know go blow by blow trying to explain everything that we see but i think so much of
00:06:16.840this is just people reading twitter and making their best guesses and you know that's always
00:06:21.060going to be a part of the process there's always a fog of war that's involved but i just i don't
00:06:26.020think it does anybody a service to you know spend four or five shows a week trying to decode what
00:06:31.540signals might be coming out of any given side of the iran war when we can deal with things that are
00:06:37.300actually happening in the united states and directly impacting us in a way that really
00:06:41.300matters no certainly this is uh it's an info hazard both for commentators and listeners
00:06:48.740and i'm sure you have seen we will not be throwing around names but people drive themselves insane
00:06:55.080over this war and i understand it right it is an aggravating situation we are from a certain
00:07:00.800perspective being screwed and so i understand that emotions are running high but at the same time
00:07:06.020this information is curated right not even blaming social media per se but everyone involved has a
00:07:15.180vested interest in making you think one thing or another about this war. It is propaganda effectively.
00:07:22.560And sure, some of it is true, right? These are real events happening, but you can sort of fall
00:07:29.860prey to that. And I'm sure the audience has seen people lose their minds. It doesn't do anyone any
00:07:37.340good because as you've said, politics is still going on in the background. The world has not
00:07:42.000cease to function merely to focus on this Iran war. And as we're about to talk about the same
00:07:47.340issues that we've been talking about for years, both issues of immigration and also just
00:07:53.380outright treachery from the Republican Party. Well, just because there's a war on it doesn't
00:07:59.600mean that they're taking time off from those. Yeah, which is, of course, why I really wanted
00:08:04.380to not get to this war at all, because I want to maintain focus on these issues. These are the ones
00:08:09.260that we care about most these are the ones that affect our friends our families these are the
00:08:13.480ones that really matter to the future of our nation it's not that iran is not a problem it's
00:08:18.260not that it's full of great people who love the united states but it's just we have the most
00:08:22.220immediate problems right here and as you say you know we could do the day in day out coverage but
00:08:27.520it does derange you you have to understand ultimately that one of the things about becoming
00:08:33.320politically aware and savvy one of the things we try to push here is we're understanding elite
00:08:38.520theory and these kind of more metapolitical understandings of the situation is that you
00:08:45.120don't want to invest in things you can't control you have to accept that there are just certain
00:08:49.380things you can't influence that you're not going to have entire knowledge of and you can kind of
00:08:53.600derange yourself by focusing on that stuff all the time but it is literally built to keep you
00:08:58.340impotent right like you're you cannot do anything the the pedals of the car the wheel of the car
00:09:03.120they do not connect to the engine and so you can slam on them and turn them all you want but you're
00:09:07.620just going to get angry because you're not going anywhere. So it makes far more sense to do your
00:09:12.100best to focus on that, which is directly impacting your life that you can't have some impact over
00:09:17.720rather than chasing something that is deliberately shrouded in a large amount of misinformation
00:09:23.300that you really ultimately have very little direct impact on. So that said, I want to talk
00:09:28.980about an issue that has recently impacted my community. So as many people are probably aware,
00:09:35.280Haitians in the United States are under a temporary protected status. Let's assume that0.95
00:09:40.540there are about 350,000 Haitians in the United States under this. And it's a scenario where0.99
00:09:47.460theoretically this project is there to protect basically refugees coming in from a dangerous0.91
00:09:52.920country. But we have this agreement with several different other nations, and many of them are in0.99
00:09:58.500varying states of chaos. Some like El Salvador are actually safer than the United States at this
00:10:04.660point due to the efforts of Bukele and how well his regime has worked out when it comes to criminal0.95
00:10:10.960justice. Others like Haiti do continue to be dangerous, but is it worth keeping those people0.98
00:10:16.280here? We'll talk about that more in a second, but I want to go ahead and play for you a clip from1.00
00:10:21.000Ayanna Pressley, who is one of the main advocates. She herself is Haitian, of course, because diaspora
00:10:27.560Politics Rules the United States, and she wanted to push the idea that Haitians should basically
00:10:34.920be here in perpetuity under this protected status. Let me bring that up real quick here.
00:10:41.500I'm very proud of the work, the strategy, the whip effort by my office and the coalition that
00:10:49.500we built nationally, resulting in that majority of those 218 signatures to force a vote. There are
00:10:55.820350,000 Haitian nationals in this country. I represent the third largest Haitian diaspora
00:11:01.300in the country. I co-chair the House Haiti caucus. And for me, this is a matter of keeping
00:11:06.960families together. It's the acknowledgement that deporting those Haitian nationals back to Haiti,0.90
00:11:11.520a country that is politically destabilized, been ravaged by national disasters, the assassination
00:11:17.360of their president, rampant gang violence, that is a death sentence. And moreover, to separate
00:11:23.640families and to threaten several industries where many Haitian nationals make great contributions,
00:11:29.960health care, construction, hospitality. And so that is why I'm leading this fight.0.97
00:11:37.800And we are currently in legislative recess, but when I return to Washington and we are back in
00:11:42.360session, that discharge petition has seven days to ripen, two days to sort of call the question,
00:11:49.640to call the vote, if you will, of every reason to believe that those signatures will hold
00:11:54.380translate to votes. And sadly, she was right. Now, Jay Burden, the amazing thing about this
00:12:03.200is, you know, it's a death sentence to send Haitians back to Haiti. Now, she lists the0.85
00:12:08.600reasons why, to be fair, she's not just throwing that out there. She lists that, okay, the government
00:12:13.500might be prosecuted persecuting you fair enough but also that there's gang violence civil war
00:12:19.140chaos in fact she touches on basically every aspect of Haitian society so it's not just like0.95
00:12:25.040there's one evil dictator who's oppressing the Haitian people artificially she's basically
00:12:30.000explaining that every corner of Haitian society is chaotic and dangerous now Jay Burton I have
00:12:36.460this crazy thesis and you can let me know if I'm just a very racist here for for noticing this0.93
00:12:41.860But I'm starting to believe that Haiti is dangerous because it's full of Haitians, not for socioeconomic factors, not because it was a colonial power oppressed by the United States, which never happened, but because Haitian people are generally not very good at running countries and not very good at working well in societies, even of their own creation.0.97
00:13:06.720And so if you bring a bunch of people who are violent in Haiti and you bring them to the United States, they'll just be violent here. So when you remove Haitians from Haiti, you don't reduce the amount of danger they're in. You increase the amount of danger everyone else is in around them. Am I insane for drawing these conclusions? Is this a completely irrational understanding of the human condition?1.00
00:13:29.480no it's entirely rational and it comes down to well what is a country now obviously there is the
00:13:37.160material aspect you know the land the borders that part of it but also there is the people
00:13:43.240right the the actual citizens or the people who live in a country and in the case of haiti it's
00:13:49.940a particularly interesting example the island that haiti is on has two countries on it haiti
00:13:56.480and the Dominican Republic. And Haiti freed itself in a dramatic, bloody slave revolt.
00:14:04.180They've been ruling themselves for quite a long time. Dominican Republic did not have that
00:14:11.760advantage. They were a colonial colony for much, much longer. So if we assume that the sort of
00:14:20.980core motivating factor that makes countries bad is racism and colonialism, well, logically it0.67
00:14:28.400would follow that the Dominican Republic must be super Haiti, even worse. And don't get me wrong,0.92
00:14:35.860the Dominican Republic is not a place I would like to live. It certainly has problems. But if
00:14:41.340you look at satellite footage of the island of Hispaniola at night, it looks like North and South
00:14:47.680korea one country is a country with you know advanced technology like electricity and light
00:14:53.520bulbs the other is not you can see this even on the agricultural level where one half of the island
00:14:59.260is green and verdant is a destination for cruise ships the other is a blasted hellscape and well
00:15:06.840why is that the people are okay not a hundred percent the same there is you know a certain0.99
00:15:12.760ethnic and cultural difference one is predominantly influenced by the french the other by the spanish
00:15:17.240but seemingly would indicate that there is a cultural difference that is creating these
00:15:22.880disparate impacts, if we can use that word. And so if you take people from one location
00:15:30.140to another, gotten rid of the geography, but as we can see, even this island itself doesn't have
00:15:36.420some magical power that makes all societies turn to absolute garbage, well, you're bringing that
00:15:42.400culture with you. You're bringing those cultural mores, those systems, those sort of informal
00:15:47.440alliances people make that have turned Haiti into one of the most horrible, dangerous places in the1.00
00:15:54.540world. And it's no shock that, well, when you move them to Florida, when you move them to1.00
00:16:00.160anywhere else in America, Ohio, well, those things don't magically change. The same dirt
00:16:06.360that didn't make Haitians magically awful, well, it turns out when you bring them to good dirt,0.97
00:16:12.400To America, the most prosperous place in the world, they don't magically transform into, you know, latte-sipping NYT readers.0.97
00:16:21.360It seems as if the location was largely indeterminate.
00:16:24.260The culture was the relevant value, and that doesn't simply go away after a, you know, a short plane ride.
00:19:26.160No, this is directly getting people murdered in my community.
00:19:29.980People in places I have been, I have driven by, are getting murdered because of what is going on here.1.00
00:19:36.280And yet we see the main concern is the safety, not of American citizens who are being beaten to death by hammers, but to the Haitians who are coming here themselves.0.96
00:19:45.480We also get the false argument that these people are somehow economically necessary. They're propping up the healthcare industry or something like that. No, if you look at the statistics, you can see that 65% of Haitian households are on welfare. They are dependent on welfare for their living.1.00
00:20:03.700That means that the entire community is a net drain on the American social system.
00:20:09.680They're not providing valuable labor in totality.0.86
00:20:13.800They are draining away the input of Americans.0.73
00:20:16.700You and I are paying to keep these people here and possibly murder our fellow Americans.
00:20:23.120So everything about this from the economic argument to the moral argument is a complete lie.
00:20:27.940and yet we're half we have to sit here and not only hear this from a democrat member of the squad
00:20:32.740but also see several republicans line up behind her to make this happen well exactly and look
00:20:41.820i understand why some people are are sympathetic to the the humanitarian argument because haiti is
00:20:51.440a very nasty place and you can imagine why someone would want to leave but the problem is
00:20:57.420has a cost. It has a cost to lives. It has a cost to, for instance, insurance rates if you live in
00:21:04.100Ohio. There are very real, what we would call, externalities. And, well, the problem is, of
00:21:11.260course, if you are the leader of a country, at least on paper, your first priority should be,
00:21:19.000well, that country, the people who live in it. You are an elected representative of, I don't know,
00:21:25.920America and of its citizens. And so if you are imposing a cost on your citizens to benefit
00:21:34.840a foreign nation, well, I mean, we have a term for that, right? That's treason. And sure,0.62
00:21:41.980it's not the same as opening the gates to the city or selling the nuclear plans to the Soviets,
00:21:47.000but you have killed through your actions, at least one woman. That woman, if this had not
00:21:54.720happened, if that monster had remained in Haiti, she would still be alive. She would not have been1.00
00:22:00.900beaten to death with a hammer. This is setting aside, obviously, the ruinous economic cost,
00:22:07.740which is compared to, you know, an American woman being beaten to death with a hammer,
00:22:12.540I would argue, you know, not the primary concern, but it's still very real. The fact that my tax
00:22:18.000dollars and, you know, coming shortly after tax day, I am very much aware of exactly how much0.98
00:22:23.580that hurts, are being used to benefit people from a foreign land. And simply because another nation0.99
00:22:31.180is bad, things are not going well there, does not mean you have the moral obligation to go fix it.
00:22:39.040In fact, one of the lessons that I was assured that the Republican Party had learned is that we
00:22:44.480were done with foreign adventures. We were done trying to save the world. We were done trying to
00:22:50.240fix everything. Because we realized, or seemingly, realized that that was a fool's errand.
00:22:56.340You can't fix the world. Focus on what is close to you. See if you can fix that. Especially if you
00:23:02.060are, I don't know, a politician, a person in charge of that country, a person with the agency
00:23:07.600to make those changes. But instead, we see even some of our own right-wing Republicans,
00:23:13.720the sort of rock-ribbed conservatives who care about the Constitution, who care about America,
00:23:17.760And seemingly, you put them under the most mild amount of pressure from people they don't like, their ostensible opposition, and all of a sudden, all of that rhetoric goes away.
00:23:29.340And we get people killed with hammers, and unnecessarily so.
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00:24:06.180So we see six and eventually seven Republicans eventually cross the aisle to vote for this,0.80
00:24:13.280And in some cases, they give the answer of this being the Christian thing to do.
00:24:18.040Others echo the economic argument of these people work in our health care industries.
00:34:27.180So he is directly threatening Americans right here because he wants to own somebody on social media.
00:34:35.100He is willing to directly threaten to bring in and keep in more migrants in the United States, even from countries like El Salvador, like I said, that are more safe than America.0.97
00:34:46.820He knows there is zero reason to keep El Salvadorans here except to punish Americans, to make sure Americans don't get jobs, to make sure that their housing prices go up, to make sure that these people stay on welfare and drain our economy.0.97
00:50:15.360The last 20 years of this MAGA revolution were apparently a waste, right?
00:50:21.060We're doing the same things we used to do.
00:50:22.800We're losing in the same ways. And as you've said, deportations are great. A closed border is great,1.00
00:50:28.480100%. I'm not going to say we should go back and undo those things. But we have to understand the
00:50:34.600straits that we are in, the current situation, how this problem will evolve over time. And guess what?
00:50:42.160You don't get to be even a shell of a political party if you lose on this issue. It becomes
00:50:47.980effectively a one-party state. We understand how these groups vote. We understand how these
00:50:53.140demographics transform states. So I don't know. What's your plan? Especially when we have all
00:51:02.260been assured a multitude of times for the past two years, certainly, that Trump officials are
00:51:08.840going to go to jail. We hear Democratic politicians saying this all the time. They're going to be
00:51:14.220investigated, and we understand, look at Letitia James, what investigated means. If they look into
00:51:20.320you, you're going to jail. The consequences, even for the guys at the top, just them, not you and I
00:51:26.660are on, are dire. They're very real. You have people suggesting that Hegseth is going to go to
00:51:32.740the Hague, which probably won't happen, but at least it indicates that they're really, really
00:51:38.620mad and they want to punish him. So you would assume, you know, even for their own selfish,
00:51:43.720self-preservation that this would be a top-line issue because this is what prevents you from
00:51:48.980being able to stay in power the fact that your opponents can just basically print more voters
00:51:55.080bring more people in it's absurd jay you know the minute that donald trump was shot
00:52:01.960and he stood back up and pumped that fist i was sure that everything was gonna change that
00:52:11.720switch seemed to have flipped you could see in his eyes that it was no longer about you know
00:52:17.800being famous or you know getting back in the white house because people will shake your hand and be
00:52:23.440excited to see you he wanted to be there because there was retribution you know if nothing else
00:52:31.200what we knew about donald trump is even if he wouldn't do it for the country he'd do it for him
00:52:35.520right like you made him bleed you tried to put him in jail like there's donald trump's back was
00:52:41.480against the wall he was caesar who couldn't return home because if he did they'd arrest him right like
00:52:46.400this is where he was at this is the moment where these world historical figures are forged and it
00:52:53.000seemed like a perfect storm was meeting to turn donald trump into that moment you know turn to
00:52:59.660turn him into that man in that moment and when he entered office with that flurry of activity you
00:53:06.940know when he won the the election decisively and he started signing all those executive orders it
00:53:11.320seemed like he was that guy that he had learned the lesson that we had put new people in charge
00:53:16.120and there was a new way we were going to do things and we were going to be aggressive and
00:53:19.440we're going to move fast and break stuff and we weren't going to care and now as you say i feel
00:53:25.800like i'm going crazy because all of these people are going to go to jail and we are never going to
00:53:30.920have a legitimate election again if a democrat wins as curtis yarvin pointed out and a lot of
00:53:36.020people did not like him saying this the american people are just never going to have an armed
00:53:40.240a revolution they're not going to do it if they were going to do it they would have done it and
00:53:44.640so because of that mass immigration is basically going to go unpunished you think you've seen mass
00:53:49.540immigration no you haven't even seen mass immigration you think you think 20 million
00:53:53.640people is a lot try 50 million try 100 because the democratic party is going to open the borders
00:54:00.320even wider than it did last time when they come back into power and not only are they going to
00:54:05.280throw Donald Trump and everybody else they can into jail, they will radically transform the
00:54:10.600demographics of this nation to make sure that it is absolutely impossible for us to ever win
00:54:15.820anything again. And despite this very obvious fact, we're at war with Iran. And again, I've0.83
00:54:22.500heard so many people tell me, oh, you can walk and chew gum at the same time. You can do both.
00:54:26.640No, clearly you can't. In fact, we can't do either. We are neither securing the type of deal we wanted
00:54:32.440with iran in the first place nor are we deporting the people we needed to to get this done now i'm
00:54:38.420100 the idea that we need to do unpopular things to win i totally get that but there is a certain
00:54:44.080stock of political capital with it you can do unpopular things and when you spend it all on
00:54:49.960an unpopular war you don't get to spend it on unpopular deportations and when you tell me well
00:54:55.780we are worried about the midterms so we will do the war but we won't do the deportations you're
00:55:01.340telling me what your priorities are. You're telling me who you serve. It's not the American
00:55:06.540people. Because if it was, you'd be pushing the unpopular thing that saved the American people,
00:55:11.080not the unpopular thing that saved some other country in the Middle East. And so it's very
00:55:15.840clear that we're willing to go to the mat and blow up midterms and blow up elections and the0.95
00:55:21.760future of the United States so we can go fight a war because Israel really wanted it. But we are0.87
00:55:26.480not willing to do deportations because that might make us unpopular here this is the classic trap
00:55:32.580you think you can get more done overseas so you go overseas instead of fighting the hard battle here
00:55:38.000it feels like you're getting a win maybe but ultimately not only does that not work out but
00:55:42.800even if it had worked out you spent all your time and effort over there and so now the battle that
00:55:47.840would have gotten you more power doesn't happen trump just approved or you know was just bragging
00:55:52.440about the fact that he's going to get a fisa extension passed two years ago trump was saying
00:55:57.540we need to get rid of fisa because it was used against me that was one of his goals of the
00:56:01.580administration was to get rid of it now i'm not a libertarian i'm not the guy he says oh well the
00:56:06.440government having power in all circumstances is bad and we have to be careful what we hand over
00:56:10.460to our enemy but you're literally setting up a scenario where you will have solved the iran
00:56:15.860question for the democrats you will have handed them the power to spy on you and then you will
00:56:21.720relinquish control of the government to them so they can bring in another 20 million illegal
00:56:26.840immigrants and ensure you never pass a law again so all of your wins are just you building things1.00
00:56:33.300that your enemy will use against you and then making sure you don't stay in power that's what
00:56:38.480the wins are this is just the worst tactical maneuver you could make anyway sorry guys i know
00:56:46.940that was not a another uplifting episode but that's why we try to talk about the war as much
00:56:52.920as possible really at this point uh that said uh there are uh several questions from the audience
00:56:59.260stacking up so before we go to them mr burden where can people find your fantastic work yeah
00:57:04.560thank you so much for having me on orin uh i i appreciate you bringing me on for for all the
00:57:10.440most depressing episodes i uh i was talking to my brother-in-law and i said oh i'm gonna be on
00:57:15.180and his response was oh it's one of those episodes then so anyway in all seriousness i i really do
00:57:22.140appreciate the opportunity but you can find me jay burden on jay burden show one episode every day
00:57:28.700just put on an episode on the iran war where we went over many of the same points you can also
00:57:34.600check me out on substack where i just dropped an a free article a a few hours ago called dershowitz
00:57:40.880zealot zealot for a foreign land figure out that is also on a similar related topic again or and
00:57:47.760thank you so much for having me on of course everyone should be listening to the jay burden
00:57:52.940show let's go to our questions here we've got uh no i'm not grim from red riding hood says why is
00:57:59.980kevin hart in the thumbnail look man okay what are you trying to say what are you trying to say
00:58:04.060that is a distinct and very separate person wielding a hammer um but uh yeah moving on0.52
00:58:10.640moving on uh tiny stupid demon says i am once again reminded uh reminding everyone that there
00:58:16.880is no such thing as the republican party mold bug speaks of this yeah and i mean you know the hope0.51
00:58:22.540was ultimately that donald trump would be a vehicle to destroy the republican party as we
00:58:27.840understood it that it would be remade into something that could be a nativist populist
00:58:32.540vehicle. And that was, you know, whether we like it or not, there is a two party system and we do
00:58:38.640have to engage at some level unless you've decided that you're just done with politics, in which case
00:58:43.500I totally get it. But the Republican Party is at the very least the only outlet that you can turn
00:58:48.560towards your purposes. But it is unfortunately very clear that that that victory is not in any
00:58:55.140way entirely won and that the old GOP is still very much influential inside the party.
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00:59:33.260Joe McDermott says, I can't tell the difference between living under a GOP elected MAGA and being conquered and colonized by a hostile empire.
00:59:41.620Again, sadly, you know, it's the only vehicle available at the moment.
00:59:48.980We just don't have a parliamentary system where we can make a Rupert Lowe like they did in the UK or something like that.
00:59:54.640The last time we got a new political party was the Civil War, you know, that actually became a true national sustained force. That said, I totally understand the sentiment. I get that. It's very depressing right now. The Republicans absolutely refuse to make good on any of these promises. Trump is not helping the situation.
01:00:15.160um again i'm not i'm not going to tell people to go vote democrat i'm not going to tell people
01:00:19.960uh you know to support the the you know anti-white open borders uh party explicitly
01:00:25.260uh but i i get it i get if people don't show up to this election and the go people have no one
01:00:30.760to blame but themselves grim also says uh six and eventually seven republicans yep believe it or not
01:00:39.540it was six for the uh initial like resolution and then seven for uh the final vote so they
01:00:45.380actually somehow added people after all of the outrage over what was going on
01:00:50.580and wild speaker says question for orrin and jay with the presence of ethnic cartels becoming more
01:00:57.900brazen and u.s politics crafting bills to benefit their in-group what are the chances
01:01:02.660uh there are white identitarians begin to appear in politics uh i think it's going to be difficult
01:01:10.180for uh that to happen explicitly uh what i do think is you're going to see people more aggressively
01:01:16.820arguing against anti-white politics we've already seen this uh you know people are more and more
01:01:22.620willing to use the term anti-white they're willing to uh recognize ethnic interests and
01:01:27.680ethnic cartels uh will that eventually uh raise some level of white identity in the united states
01:01:33.440it could when you when you increase the salience of identity that includes all identities including
01:01:38.380white identities uh but i doubt you will see some very explicit uh like white interest only
01:01:45.100politician or party in the way that sadly many politicians work for other ethnic groups in the
01:01:51.100united states i think the key thing here is to continue to expose those ethnic cartels to make
01:01:57.120it clear to people, this is the game being played. A lot of times it's obscured with ideology. Oh,
01:02:02.100it's communism, it's Islam versus capitalism or Zionism or whatever. It's like, no, if you0.82
01:02:07.300actually look into these, it's just ethnic cartels all the way down. And I think once people0.74
01:02:12.580recognize that it'll be harder and harder to deny what's going on. Well, and on that point,
01:02:19.280i think that as if current trends continue and white americans become a minority minority
01:02:29.060politics becomes more and more attractive right so any moral claims aside also i think it's
01:02:36.260important to recognize that yes all politics is identity politics fundamentally i think that there
01:02:44.520is a hazard in the kind of race baiting slop that we see uh you know other prominent figures engage
01:02:56.320in and while i don't have someone in mind i think that if we had sort of a white jesse jackson that
01:03:03.040would be a very bad thing for america not simply because you know i think that there's something
01:03:07.940wrong with white people but if you look at what figures like that tend to do uh they tend to
01:03:13.940enrich themselves a lot and not actually do very much for their sensible constituents,
01:03:20.880that is not an argument against identity politics per se. But when there is a situation where there
01:03:26.980is a group of people who feel as if they themselves are being discriminated against,
01:03:32.140they're getting the short end of the stick, and seemingly there is no legitimate outlet for those
01:03:39.380grievances, you've created an opening for hucksters. You've created an opening for
01:03:44.080grifters, to be perfectly honest. And so the correct way to solve that problem is to, well,
01:03:50.740solve that problem, right? Make it so that those people don't feel as if they are being screwed.
01:03:56.060But as we've spent an hour talking about, our elected leaders don't seem to be willing to
01:04:02.860make those decisions. And so to be honest, I think that race relations more broadly are going
01:04:12.300to continue to get worse simply because at least one party is hell bent on making them worse.
01:04:19.740Yeah. I mean, obviously a lot of people, uh, have done a lot of complaining and whining and
01:04:26.740fear-mongering about the idea that white identity could be on the rise. But all those people who
01:04:34.520are yelling about that and concerned about that never are willing to take any actions to actually
01:04:40.680remedy the issues and therefore cut off the formation of white identity politics. If, as you
01:04:46.720say, you resolve these ethnic carve-outs, if you stop allowing for this obvious race-based0.94
01:04:52.940favoritism in our system then there would be no reason for white identity to become0.76
01:04:59.260salia however we see people who can continually tell us this is the most dangerous thing in the0.82
01:05:05.640world refuse to address these issues head on to to resolve this issue and so they are basically
01:05:10.880doing hyperstition they're like they're they're they're bringing the thing they're worried about
01:05:16.080into being because they are worried about it they are so terrified of the idea that acknowledging
01:05:21.760any form of grievance that could be legitimate by the white population of the country therefore
01:05:28.620they're ensuring that those people feel more aggrieved and eventually turn to more radical0.58
01:05:34.680solutions to this problem if you really were worried about this you would simply take actions
01:05:39.160to resolve these issues before people started making them the central aspect of their politics
01:05:44.640because i want to be really clear here i don't think that long term that's necessarily going to
01:05:49.980be a winning strategy uh for uh americans however uh you cannot run around saying the worst part
01:05:58.160of anti-white bigotry is that white people might notice it and might work to solve it i'm sorry
01:06:04.600like that is not going to be a winning argument and all your yells of racists and nazi are
01:06:10.100eventually going to fall flat because people are going to say every other ethnic group is you know
01:06:15.180ultimately fighting for their interests and i'm the only one who can't and there's only so long
01:06:20.920you can tell me that the worst thing that could possibly happen about me being discriminated
01:06:24.500against is me noticing and taking action about it that is a losing argument and it will ultimately
01:06:29.540end up exactly where these people say they don't want to be
01:06:32.480uh the demi find uh maybe uh says uh when you elect someone who's not a politician you shouldn't
01:06:41.960be surprised that he doesn't understand politics yeah but that's always been trump's like greatest
01:06:45.680strength and greatest weakness right on one hand he doesn't understand the process so he makes
01:06:49.740mistakes he says outrageous things he blunders into stuff he doesn't know who to appoint he
01:06:54.220doesn't understand how the system operates the other side of that is because he doesn't know
01:06:58.520how the system operates or where the guardrails are he has completely run over people right
01:07:03.400remember the first term when we just got the straight up muslim ban like we didn't even
01:07:07.800bother hiding you know that in the language trump only gets to do that stuff because he doesn't know
01:07:12.820and he doesn't care right so you're right that there is you know this is the downside right we
01:07:17.340love the upside when trump didn't understand politics and it was doing good things for us
01:07:21.340we like that now that there's some problems with that it's a downside but you know this is the
01:07:26.240deal you're making when you put a guy like trump in that scenario db 543 says conservatives need
01:07:34.620to stop the lgb without the t they're just as bad the post i've seen on x about acquiring kids is
01:07:40.800disgusting yeah actually i'm trying to put a show together on uh surrogacy so hopefully i'll do that
01:07:47.380soon uh but yeah i i don't want to i don't want to ruin that show by getting into there's a whole
01:07:52.040another video going around on twitter right now that if i talk about i will just absolutely flow
01:07:56.800fly off the handle and uh and and lose my my cool so i'm not going to talk about it just
01:08:01.680say this uh human trafficking of children by uh homosexual couples is absolutely insane0.90
01:08:08.780um and uh it is an absolute uh blight on this country the fact that we allow it uh really uh0.98
01:08:15.240is one of the most disgusting things i've ever seen and um i i think uh you're absolutely right
01:08:20.900about that millstones yeah it's a millstone problems require millstone solutions i am i'm
01:08:28.080classic uh you know the jesus good enough for jesus good enough for me is uh my motto when it
01:08:33.560comes to the proper punishment uh for that one uh wild speaker says uh sounds like white identity as
01:08:39.020defense as defensive necessity again i think that's probably what's going to happen if these
01:08:45.520guys do not uh figure this out and i don't think they will i think you are probably going to see
01:08:50.740that again i doubt you're going to get like truly explicit uh like shameless handling in the way
01:08:56.680that you do to other minorities in the united states uh but i do think the acceptability of
01:09:01.320some level of collective white identity will be forged i mean people you know even chris ruffo
01:09:06.340has talked about this jeremy carl has talked about this when you have a group of people who
01:09:10.360is oppressed and you i'm sorry i know some people don't like that word but you cannot look at the
01:09:16.160literal encoding of anti-white bigotry in the united states in all of our laws in all of our
01:09:22.100institutions and say there's not some level of oppression there we have a group that is
01:09:25.760collectively vilified and attacked and blamed for everything you will forge an identity that will
01:09:32.060happen you know the black americans didn't start as black americans they started as blacks you
01:09:38.500know africans from many different tribes and areas and peoples but they forged into one identity
01:09:43.100because they had one struggle one shared uh you know group that they were seen as and so they
01:09:48.820became one if that continues to be the case in america as it has been for basically my entire
01:09:54.340life, then yeah, that's a natural outcome that's going to occur. And all the whining and all the
01:09:59.940crying and all the kvetching, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because ultimately that's going
01:10:05.260to occur no matter how many times you wag your finger at people and demonize them when you are
01:10:10.020continuing to provide those incentives. All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.
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