The Auron MacIntyre Show - Violent Immigrants Are Terrorizing America ｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 4⧸17⧸26

00:00:00.880 Hey, everybody. How's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great

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00:00:30.000 All right, guys, you're not going to believe this, but once again, we had a decent number of Republicans absolutely betray us on the idea of immigration.

00:00:39.000 It turns out that despite the fact that Trump won an overwhelming mandate and that the voters of the Republican Party have made it clear time in and time out that they don't want to extend any kind of amnesty.

00:00:51.580 They don't want to extend any form of mass migration. 0.86

00:00:54.660 In fact, they want to close the borders, limit immigration, and expel those who are here illegally.

00:01:00.380 Despite all of that, we still have Republicans who are running on the idea that we need to

00:01:05.100 shove as many people into the United States as possible.

00:01:08.680 We're going to talk about that betrayal again today, but before we get started, let me introduce

00:01:13.320 you to, of course, one of your favorite co-hosts, Jay Burden.

00:01:16.180 Thank you so much for coming on.

00:01:18.100 Yeah, Aaron.

00:01:18.540 Thank you so much for having me back on.

00:01:20.300 uh i wish i were here under better circumstances i wish there was nothing to talk about but uh

00:01:26.300 unfortunately this situation is all too common right and yet again the america first party

00:01:32.580 the republicans have uh well they've stabbed us in the back well i only bring you on when there's

00:01:39.160 something terrible to talk about so to be fair there is a you know self-selection there but yeah

00:01:44.040 one day i'll just bring you on and we'll talk about nothing but like puppies and cz uh handguns

00:01:49.900 And like, you know, all the things that we love and enjoy and everyone can celebrate.

00:01:54.620 But that said, before we step into the larger story of immigration, there is some breaking news on the Iran war front.

00:02:02.000 I don't want to make the whole show about this because really it's all yet again fog of war.

00:02:06.180 Donald Trump has declared that Iran has opened the strait and that they have agreed to hand over some level of nuclear material.

00:02:15.600 and in exchange he has said that he is going to ban Israel from bombing in Lebanon in order to 0.86

00:02:22.040 move this peace deal forward now I hope that's true I really want that to be the case I have 0.70

00:02:28.400 advocated for and continue to advocate for Donald Trump ending this war as quickly as possible and 0.93

00:02:33.320 bringing troops home to focus on the homeland however right now it seems that Israel launched

00:02:39.780 an attack right after Donald Trump said that they wouldn't do that which is just kind of Israel to

00:02:45.560 a tee especially in this war and then also iran has said that they made no deal concerning the

00:02:51.840 nuclear material and so so far there is no overall understanding but there are reports that straight

00:02:58.460 ships are moving in and out of the strait so does this mean that there were never any mines in the

00:03:02.920 strait and israel and israel and america figured out that iran was really you know a bluffing the

00:03:08.700 whole time or is there really a deal somewhere in the works but its details are currently uh you

00:03:15.500 know being debated it's hard to really know what is going on at the moment but that is the news so

00:03:21.560 I'll just let people know that that could change at any given time but that's where we're at just

00:03:27.300 in this moment it's incredibly difficult to follow this war particularly as we have entered this sort

00:03:35.120 of phase of ceasefire in quotes because even as someone who follows this issue relatively closely

00:03:42.220 it seems like every other story i read is contradictory there is a ceasefire oh wait

00:03:48.840 there is not a ceasefire israel is joining us israel is acting on their own there is no war

00:03:55.000 in lebanon there is a war in lebanon the strait is both open and closed at once as one of my

00:04:01.340 recent guests quips it's sort of schrodinger's war the war is both on and off at exactly the

00:04:06.860 same time. So it is an incredibly confusing situation. It seems as you said, there are

00:04:13.500 negotiations going on, but it seems as if the Pakistanis and others are acting as intermediaries

00:04:19.760 and that is adding confusion to an already complicated situation. And so to be honest,

00:04:26.560 I have absolutely no idea what's going on, Oren. Yeah, this is why I try to avoid day-to-day

00:04:32.680 coverage of the war when something big happens we try to cover it we're breaking news but

00:04:38.060 ultimately i try not to make every one of the episodes about this because honestly the people

00:04:42.360 who are doing so i feel like they're just kind of driving themselves into some kind of manic state

00:04:47.500 because you're constantly getting information one direction or the other as you said you know we're

00:04:52.240 in this moment where you would think that social media and the diversification of media sources and

00:04:58.160 all the cell phones and things on the ground would mean we'd have the maximum amount of

00:05:02.640 information, right?

00:05:03.540 We've all seen, you know, for better or for worse, mostly for worse, all the videos coming

00:05:08.560 out of the Ukraine war with Russia and everything going on there.

00:05:11.700 And yet we seem to get relatively very little on the ground footage comparatively to what's

00:05:16.860 going on with Iran and the United States and Israel.

00:05:20.220 And of course, we have the fact that there's these constant contradictory statements.

00:05:24.300 we have Donald Trump saying one thing Israel says something entirely different and then Iran says

00:05:30.000 something entirely different on top of that part of it is probably also that Iran just doesn't know

00:05:34.720 who's in charge in any given moment they have this insane situation where so many of their people

00:05:39.780 have been killed and they're so far down the command structure that is there one centralized

00:05:44.120 voice with which Donald Trump can even make a peace deal that's hard to really know maybe that's

00:05:49.720 the point that's what Israel's hoping for is that if you destabilize a state far enough you know

00:05:54.160 ultimately they want a failed state so as long as there's no one to negotiate with you can't

00:05:58.260 achieve a piece because there's always one guy willing to fire off a rocket somewhere outside

00:06:02.600 of the chain of command or with his own little platoon or you know that kind of thing so the

00:06:07.020 whole thing is just a constant mess and we could sit here and try to stay on top of the algorithm

00:06:11.560 and you know go blow by blow trying to explain everything that we see but i think so much of

00:06:16.840 this is just people reading twitter and making their best guesses and you know that's always

00:06:21.060 going to be a part of the process there's always a fog of war that's involved but i just i don't

00:06:26.020 think it does anybody a service to you know spend four or five shows a week trying to decode what

00:06:31.540 signals might be coming out of any given side of the iran war when we can deal with things that are

00:06:37.300 actually happening in the united states and directly impacting us in a way that really

00:06:41.300 matters no certainly this is uh it's an info hazard both for commentators and listeners

00:06:48.740 and i'm sure you have seen we will not be throwing around names but people drive themselves insane

00:06:55.080 over this war and i understand it right it is an aggravating situation we are from a certain

00:07:00.800 perspective being screwed and so i understand that emotions are running high but at the same time

00:07:06.020 this information is curated right not even blaming social media per se but everyone involved has a

00:07:15.180 vested interest in making you think one thing or another about this war. It is propaganda effectively.

00:07:22.560 And sure, some of it is true, right? These are real events happening, but you can sort of fall

00:07:29.860 prey to that. And I'm sure the audience has seen people lose their minds. It doesn't do anyone any

00:07:37.340 good because as you've said, politics is still going on in the background. The world has not

00:07:42.000 cease to function merely to focus on this Iran war. And as we're about to talk about the same

00:07:47.340 issues that we've been talking about for years, both issues of immigration and also just

00:07:53.380 outright treachery from the Republican Party. Well, just because there's a war on it doesn't

00:07:59.600 mean that they're taking time off from those. Yeah, which is, of course, why I really wanted

00:08:04.380 to not get to this war at all, because I want to maintain focus on these issues. These are the ones

00:08:09.260 that we care about most these are the ones that affect our friends our families these are the

00:08:13.480 ones that really matter to the future of our nation it's not that iran is not a problem it's

00:08:18.260 not that it's full of great people who love the united states but it's just we have the most

00:08:22.220 immediate problems right here and as you say you know we could do the day in day out coverage but

00:08:27.520 it does derange you you have to understand ultimately that one of the things about becoming

00:08:33.320 politically aware and savvy one of the things we try to push here is we're understanding elite

00:08:38.520 theory and these kind of more metapolitical understandings of the situation is that you

00:08:45.120 don't want to invest in things you can't control you have to accept that there are just certain

00:08:49.380 things you can't influence that you're not going to have entire knowledge of and you can kind of

00:08:53.600 derange yourself by focusing on that stuff all the time but it is literally built to keep you

00:08:58.340 impotent right like you're you cannot do anything the the pedals of the car the wheel of the car

00:09:03.120 they do not connect to the engine and so you can slam on them and turn them all you want but you're

00:09:07.620 just going to get angry because you're not going anywhere. So it makes far more sense to do your

00:09:12.100 best to focus on that, which is directly impacting your life that you can't have some impact over

00:09:17.720 rather than chasing something that is deliberately shrouded in a large amount of misinformation

00:09:23.300 that you really ultimately have very little direct impact on. So that said, I want to talk

00:09:28.980 about an issue that has recently impacted my community. So as many people are probably aware,

00:09:35.280 Haitians in the United States are under a temporary protected status. Let's assume that 0.95

00:09:40.540 there are about 350,000 Haitians in the United States under this. And it's a scenario where 0.99

00:09:47.460 theoretically this project is there to protect basically refugees coming in from a dangerous 0.91

00:09:52.920 country. But we have this agreement with several different other nations, and many of them are in 0.99

00:09:58.500 varying states of chaos. Some like El Salvador are actually safer than the United States at this

00:10:04.660 point due to the efforts of Bukele and how well his regime has worked out when it comes to criminal 0.95

00:10:10.960 justice. Others like Haiti do continue to be dangerous, but is it worth keeping those people 0.98

00:10:16.280 here? We'll talk about that more in a second, but I want to go ahead and play for you a clip from 1.00

00:10:21.000 Ayanna Pressley, who is one of the main advocates. She herself is Haitian, of course, because diaspora

00:10:27.560 Politics Rules the United States, and she wanted to push the idea that Haitians should basically

00:10:34.920 be here in perpetuity under this protected status. Let me bring that up real quick here.

00:10:41.500 I'm very proud of the work, the strategy, the whip effort by my office and the coalition that

00:10:49.500 we built nationally, resulting in that majority of those 218 signatures to force a vote. There are

00:10:55.820 350,000 Haitian nationals in this country. I represent the third largest Haitian diaspora

00:11:01.300 in the country. I co-chair the House Haiti caucus. And for me, this is a matter of keeping

00:11:06.960 families together. It's the acknowledgement that deporting those Haitian nationals back to Haiti, 0.90

00:11:11.520 a country that is politically destabilized, been ravaged by national disasters, the assassination

00:11:17.360 of their president, rampant gang violence, that is a death sentence. And moreover, to separate

00:11:23.640 families and to threaten several industries where many Haitian nationals make great contributions,

00:11:29.960 health care, construction, hospitality. And so that is why I'm leading this fight. 0.97

00:11:37.800 And we are currently in legislative recess, but when I return to Washington and we are back in

00:11:42.360 session, that discharge petition has seven days to ripen, two days to sort of call the question,

00:11:49.640 to call the vote, if you will, of every reason to believe that those signatures will hold

00:11:54.380 translate to votes. And sadly, she was right. Now, Jay Burden, the amazing thing about this

00:12:03.200 is, you know, it's a death sentence to send Haitians back to Haiti. Now, she lists the 0.85

00:12:08.600 reasons why, to be fair, she's not just throwing that out there. She lists that, okay, the government

00:12:13.500 might be prosecuted persecuting you fair enough but also that there's gang violence civil war

00:12:19.140 chaos in fact she touches on basically every aspect of Haitian society so it's not just like 0.95

00:12:25.040 there's one evil dictator who's oppressing the Haitian people artificially she's basically

00:12:30.000 explaining that every corner of Haitian society is chaotic and dangerous now Jay Burton I have

00:12:36.460 this crazy thesis and you can let me know if I'm just a very racist here for for noticing this 0.93

00:12:41.860 But I'm starting to believe that Haiti is dangerous because it's full of Haitians, not for socioeconomic factors, not because it was a colonial power oppressed by the United States, which never happened, but because Haitian people are generally not very good at running countries and not very good at working well in societies, even of their own creation. 0.97

00:13:06.720 And so if you bring a bunch of people who are violent in Haiti and you bring them to the United States, they'll just be violent here. So when you remove Haitians from Haiti, you don't reduce the amount of danger they're in. You increase the amount of danger everyone else is in around them. Am I insane for drawing these conclusions? Is this a completely irrational understanding of the human condition? 1.00

00:13:29.480 no it's entirely rational and it comes down to well what is a country now obviously there is the

00:13:37.160 material aspect you know the land the borders that part of it but also there is the people

00:13:43.240 right the the actual citizens or the people who live in a country and in the case of haiti it's

00:13:49.940 a particularly interesting example the island that haiti is on has two countries on it haiti

00:13:56.480 and the Dominican Republic. And Haiti freed itself in a dramatic, bloody slave revolt.

00:14:04.180 They've been ruling themselves for quite a long time. Dominican Republic did not have that

00:14:11.760 advantage. They were a colonial colony for much, much longer. So if we assume that the sort of

00:14:20.980 core motivating factor that makes countries bad is racism and colonialism, well, logically it 0.67

00:14:28.400 would follow that the Dominican Republic must be super Haiti, even worse. And don't get me wrong, 0.92

00:14:35.860 the Dominican Republic is not a place I would like to live. It certainly has problems. But if

00:14:41.340 you look at satellite footage of the island of Hispaniola at night, it looks like North and South

00:14:47.680 korea one country is a country with you know advanced technology like electricity and light

00:14:53.520 bulbs the other is not you can see this even on the agricultural level where one half of the island

00:14:59.260 is green and verdant is a destination for cruise ships the other is a blasted hellscape and well

00:15:06.840 why is that the people are okay not a hundred percent the same there is you know a certain 0.99

00:15:12.760 ethnic and cultural difference one is predominantly influenced by the french the other by the spanish

00:15:17.240 but seemingly would indicate that there is a cultural difference that is creating these

00:15:22.880 disparate impacts, if we can use that word. And so if you take people from one location

00:15:30.140 to another, gotten rid of the geography, but as we can see, even this island itself doesn't have

00:15:36.420 some magical power that makes all societies turn to absolute garbage, well, you're bringing that 0.55

00:15:42.400 culture with you. You're bringing those cultural mores, those systems, those sort of informal 0.94

00:15:47.440 alliances people make that have turned Haiti into one of the most horrible, dangerous places in the 1.00

00:15:54.540 world. And it's no shock that, well, when you move them to Florida, when you move them to 1.00

00:16:00.160 anywhere else in America, Ohio, well, those things don't magically change. The same dirt

00:16:06.360 that didn't make Haitians magically awful, well, it turns out when you bring them to good dirt, 0.97

00:16:12.400 To America, the most prosperous place in the world, they don't magically transform into, you know, latte-sipping NYT readers. 0.97

00:16:21.360 It seems as if the location was largely indeterminate.

00:16:24.260 The culture was the relevant value, and that doesn't simply go away after a, you know, a short plane ride.

00:16:31.980 No, this is exactly right.

00:16:33.740 It's truly incredible.

00:16:35.220 You know, one of the things that you say about sociology or political science is they're not like, you know, real sciences

00:16:40.800 because you can't do the controlled study, right?

00:16:43.300 Like you really only get to look at historical events

00:16:46.400 and hope that they produce some kind of case study

00:16:48.840 that you can ultimately look at,

00:16:50.220 but you don't get to design them in the lab.

00:16:52.260 But if we were going to design an experiment in the lab

00:16:55.440 to understand what makes a country what it is,

00:16:58.920 the island of Hispaniola would be a pretty good one.

00:17:01.460 You know, just drawn right down the middle.

00:17:03.040 You know, what do we have on one side?

00:17:04.260 What do we have on the other?

00:17:05.680 And as you point out,

00:17:06.600 while the Dominican Republic is, you know,

00:17:08.320 not really someplace i want to spend the rest of my life it is a wildly wildly better civilization 1.00

00:17:14.380 to the point where they have a wall and they will just shoot any haitians that get near it 0.98

00:17:18.440 because they basically treat it some kind of contamination that's going to destroy their 0.99

00:17:22.880 society haiti was literally founded on a satanic voodoo blood ritual a blood sacrifice of white 0.82

00:17:31.120 europeans was the core beginning of this the the idea that every one of these like 0.89

00:17:37.000 you know liberation theologists like these you know radical marxists you know these

00:17:41.960 anti-colonialists the idea that you're just going to have the native population rise up and slaughter

00:17:46.900 the oppressor and then rule itself that played itself out in haiti and we can see the exact

00:17:52.840 result it turns out that being oppressed by a colonial power for a few more years

00:17:57.560 is actually way better than you, way better for your country than to go through this bloody

00:18:03.500 sacrifice. And yet, we see people constantly trying to bring this culture into the United

00:18:11.640 States. It's absolutely crazy. And we know all of the incentives. We've talked about this many

00:18:18.580 times before on the show, courting the votes, courting the ethnic blocks that are easy to 0.93

00:18:23.280 manipulate even deploying them as we saw in springfield ohio as like direct punishment to

00:18:29.320 conservative red state areas like the purpose is to destroy your community it is to destroy

00:18:35.180 unified communities that are going to maintain traditional values that are going to vote

00:18:40.120 republican you know it's not just the replacement it's also the destruction that is uh created when

00:18:46.120 you bring disruptive groups in, uh, ultimately. And I know this personally, because recently

00:18:52.260 a woman in my area was beaten to death with a hammer by a Haitian immigrant in one of the most

00:18:59.800 horrific videos I have ever seen. I cannot show it to you. It will immediately get my, my video 1.00

00:19:04.560 banned from YouTube. However, just, you know, trust me on this one. It is one of the ugliest

00:19:10.620 things you have ever seen. And Jay, I know the gas station where that happened. I drove by it.

00:19:15.660 So this is no longer some kind of abstract understanding.

00:19:19.880 This is no longer some theoretical, what is America?

00:19:23.440 What should our laws be on paper?

00:19:25.200 What should this look like?

00:19:26.160 No, this is directly getting people murdered in my community.

00:19:29.980 People in places I have been, I have driven by, are getting murdered because of what is going on here. 1.00

00:19:36.280 And yet we see the main concern is the safety, not of American citizens who are being beaten to death by hammers, but to the Haitians who are coming here themselves. 0.96

00:19:45.480 We also get the false argument that these people are somehow economically necessary. They're propping up the healthcare industry or something like that. No, if you look at the statistics, you can see that 65% of Haitian households are on welfare. They are dependent on welfare for their living. 1.00

00:20:03.700 That means that the entire community is a net drain on the American social system.

00:20:09.680 They're not providing valuable labor in totality. 0.86

00:20:13.800 They are draining away the input of Americans. 0.73

00:20:16.700 You and I are paying to keep these people here and possibly murder our fellow Americans.

00:20:23.120 So everything about this from the economic argument to the moral argument is a complete lie.

00:20:27.940 and yet we're half we have to sit here and not only hear this from a democrat member of the squad

00:20:32.740 but also see several republicans line up behind her to make this happen well exactly and look

00:20:41.820 i understand why some people are are sympathetic to the the humanitarian argument because haiti is

00:20:51.440 a very nasty place and you can imagine why someone would want to leave but the problem is

00:20:57.420 has a cost. It has a cost to lives. It has a cost to, for instance, insurance rates if you live in

00:21:04.100 Ohio. There are very real, what we would call, externalities. And, well, the problem is, of

00:21:11.260 course, if you are the leader of a country, at least on paper, your first priority should be,

00:21:19.000 well, that country, the people who live in it. You are an elected representative of, I don't know,

00:21:25.920 America and of its citizens. And so if you are imposing a cost on your citizens to benefit

00:21:34.840 a foreign nation, well, I mean, we have a term for that, right? That's treason. And sure, 0.62

00:21:41.980 it's not the same as opening the gates to the city or selling the nuclear plans to the Soviets,

00:21:47.000 but you have killed through your actions, at least one woman. That woman, if this had not

00:21:54.720 happened, if that monster had remained in Haiti, she would still be alive. She would not have been 1.00

00:22:00.900 beaten to death with a hammer. This is setting aside, obviously, the ruinous economic cost,

00:22:07.740 which is compared to, you know, an American woman being beaten to death with a hammer,

00:22:12.540 I would argue, you know, not the primary concern, but it's still very real. The fact that my tax

00:22:18.000 dollars and, you know, coming shortly after tax day, I am very much aware of exactly how much 0.98

00:22:23.580 that hurts, are being used to benefit people from a foreign land. And simply because another nation 0.99

00:22:31.180 is bad, things are not going well there, does not mean you have the moral obligation to go fix it.

00:22:39.040 In fact, one of the lessons that I was assured that the Republican Party had learned is that we

00:22:44.480 were done with foreign adventures. We were done trying to save the world. We were done trying to

00:22:50.240 fix everything. Because we realized, or seemingly, realized that that was a fool's errand. 0.95

00:22:56.340 You can't fix the world. Focus on what is close to you. See if you can fix that. Especially if you

00:23:02.060 are, I don't know, a politician, a person in charge of that country, a person with the agency

00:23:07.600 to make those changes. But instead, we see even some of our own right-wing Republicans,

00:23:13.720 the sort of rock-ribbed conservatives who care about the Constitution, who care about America,

00:23:17.760 And seemingly, you put them under the most mild amount of pressure from people they don't like, their ostensible opposition, and all of a sudden, all of that rhetoric goes away.

00:23:29.340 And we get people killed with hammers, and unnecessarily so.

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00:24:06.180 So we see six and eventually seven Republicans eventually cross the aisle to vote for this, 0.80

00:24:13.280 And in some cases, they give the answer of this being the Christian thing to do.

00:24:18.040 Others echo the economic argument of these people work in our health care industries.

00:24:23.580 But all of it is just insane. 0.82

00:24:25.680 You know, we see Maria Salazar, who has already floated the Dignidad Act, which is amnesty for illegal aliens.

00:24:33.940 Now, as you pointed out, the Republican Party should have learned these lessons from foreign adventurism to immigration.

00:24:39.820 We know that Donald Trump ran on deportations.

00:24:42.520 He won on deportations. He won a mandate on deportations, won the popular vote, even went

00:24:50.160 over Hispanic males on the message of deportations. So this idea that Republicans have to pander to

00:24:58.060 minorities because there's just no future without telling Hispanics or other immigrants what they

00:25:02.780 want to hear, that was completely undone through all of this. And yet the fact that we have the 0.99

00:25:08.180 proof. We know that you can win on this message. Not only can you win, it is the winning message

00:25:13.600 to sell this. Still, we see this betrayal. Now, Salazar is even worse because in the fact that

00:25:21.540 she's just amnesty all over the place for anyone and everyone. Also, she's in Florida. So she's

00:25:27.660 from the state where this woman was beaten to death. We have a high number of Haitian children

00:25:33.020 in the United States. We have a high number of Haitian families in the United States. I used to

00:25:37.380 teach a high school that had a very high Haitian population. I'm very familiar with those

00:25:42.220 communities and the level of violence and dysfunction that is incredibly normal and

00:25:46.420 is accepted inside those communities. You do not want this in your country. And yet the people who

00:25:52.240 are not just representing, you know, if you're some guy in, you know, Nebraska, I can understand

00:25:58.000 why you don't get the Haitian, you know, question, right? But if you are literally someone running a

00:26:03.360 state you are representing a state in which that population is literally murdering people we still

00:26:10.000 can't get a solid vote on this which is just absolutely insane now the good news is that the

00:26:16.460 senate republicans have already said they are not going to let this pass and because it is a

00:26:20.560 standalone bill it's not attached to an omnibus or anything donald trump could ultimately veto it

00:26:26.260 should make it to his desk but the fact that this is even floated in the first place and that these

00:26:31.260 people are not fearful of making these arguments in front of the Republican Party is insane.

00:26:37.000 I mean, Maria Salazar was endorsed by Donald Trump. Now, Donald Trump, again, probably would

00:26:43.160 veto this bill if it came in front of him. But why wait? Why not trash Salazar for what she's

00:26:48.860 doing? Donald Trump has time to post about Tucker Carlson, to tell people to go listen to Mark

00:26:53.660 Levin. It's not like Donald Trump is very careful about wading into disagreements. He'll even

00:26:59.860 correct his own staff on his Twitter? Why can't we get a denouncement of Salazar? Why aren't we

00:27:06.880 stripping these people of committee assignments? Why aren't we punishing these people, primarying 0.88

00:27:11.280 these people, threatening them? Trump threatens Thomas Massey, Rand Paul. These are people who I

00:27:16.160 have disagreements with, but clearly are just miles better than someone like Salazar. But not

00:27:21.420 only does Salazar get the endorsement, when she pushes a project like this, she gets no punishment.

00:27:27.960 and it's very simple if they think they're going to get away with it and they get all the benefits

00:27:32.260 of being endorsed by Trump and none of the downsides of crossing him they're just going to

00:27:36.060 keep crossing him why is Donald Trump more interested in attacking Ron Paul and Thomas

00:27:40.480 Massey who again I have my problems with but why is he more interested in attacking them

00:27:45.300 and not Salazar it's absolutely insane this is why I'm so worried about us being involved in

00:27:51.400 these foreign conflicts I think if we had actual focus on what was going on really getting

00:27:56.400 deportations done and everything else, we would probably hear more from the administration pushing

00:28:00.760 back on these people. Instead, we get what looks like betrayal from the Republicans. I know that

00:28:06.320 the Trump administration is better on immigration. I know that the conservatives have done a better

00:28:11.420 job under the Trump administration on pushing this stuff. But the average person looks at this

00:28:16.440 and says the GOP has betrayed me. Yes, it's a handful of people, but it's representative that

00:28:21.820 the GOP is unwilling to go to bat and cause any kind of disruption or any kind of punishment

00:28:27.940 for these people when they do this. And that makes people believe, I think with a real reason

00:28:33.640 to believe so that ultimately the deportation stuff has become unpopular with the admin and

00:28:39.680 maybe they're shuffling it to the back. I've heard these rumors from people inside. You know,

00:28:44.860 we've heard from new DHS secretary that ultimately they're trying to do things below the radar.

00:28:49.840 They're trying not to be in the news. I get that. You want good optics. But it seems more and more

00:28:54.280 that we are giving up in certain areas when it comes to deportation because it might be unpopular

00:28:58.980 while we fight a highly unpopular war in Iran. And I think this is a just huge mistake on political

00:29:05.140 capital being allocated. Well, 100 percent, because the other thing that happens is that

00:29:10.860 this is a long term play for the Democrats, right? They understand why this matters, because, yeah,

00:29:17.300 sure, the people who are admitted on this program are ostensibly not voting. We'll see.

00:29:27.260 But at least currently, if you're born in America, you are an American citizen. This enables

00:29:33.840 certainly a form of chain migration where once you have a daughter or a son who's an American

00:29:38.920 citizen, it's much easier for you to become one. Also, as we've seen with the Somali community,

00:29:44.700 These diaspora groups tend to funnel a lot of corruption into the whole NGO complex. 1.00

00:29:52.300 So the Democrats understand why. 0.98

00:29:54.460 There's a reason that no Democrat voted against this, because it is massively in their interest 0.92

00:30:00.140 to funnel these people into America. 0.80

00:30:03.920 It improves their political position.

00:30:06.980 Maybe not massively right away, but it's a long game.

00:30:11.320 And so if you are ostensibly in control of all three branches of government, you should

00:30:17.900 be looking to long-term increase your power, right?

00:30:21.760 Make the next hand easier for you because you can do that.

00:30:26.400 You can do that entirely legally.

00:30:28.100 There's nothing wrong with voting against a bill.

00:30:31.380 I mean, that's again, why you're there.

00:30:33.960 So why wouldn't you make yourself more powerful, right?

00:30:39.100 that seemingly if you were just going off of pure selfish self-interest, right? These are the most

00:30:45.660 amoral, you know, Machiavellian figures. You would expect them to do that. And somehow that is not

00:30:52.040 what we see. We see Democrats playing politics as if it is a game to be won and they are winning.

00:30:57.560 And you see conservatives, uh, not, and they are losing because of that. This is the pattern we've

00:31:05.320 seen over and over and over again within the conservative movement, the nominal right in

00:31:09.900 America is that they are not power players. One of the things that R and I know you and I both

00:31:15.580 saw as a positive development within the MAGA movement and certainly Trump 2.0 was a different

00:31:22.240 attitude towards power, a realization that you must play the game in a certain way to increase

00:31:28.460 your power long-term. That was smart. Doge was smart because you are hurting your enemy's ability

00:31:34.560 to play the game long-term. And this is a reversion to the same loser politics that enabled the last

00:31:41.360 60 years of democratic victories in America. And if this attitude doesn't change, they will keep

00:31:48.400 winning forever because fundamentally they are better at politics than you are. That's exactly

00:31:54.140 how simple it is. Well, and you know, there are some really rising stars. I think of guys like

00:32:02.220 brandon gill in of texas who are doing you know great work uh guys like eric schmidt who in the

00:32:08.260 senate who are doing fantastic work there are a new breed of republicans moving in especially some

00:32:14.120 of the younger guys in this scenario however we can still see that much of the republican class

00:32:19.940 is not people who are in any way interested in representing americans or fighting for their

00:32:24.840 districts or their interests they are people who are wholly bought the machine in fact not only

00:32:29.220 are they bought by the machine not only are they part of the uniparty not only are they completely

00:32:33.640 indifferent to the people they rule they actively hate them like you can see the just the could be

00:32:39.480 the the seething contempt dripping off of these people so for instance don bacon here is uh from

00:32:45.680 nebraska now he is uh thankfully retiring soon so there's uh he won't be around much longer uh but

00:32:53.520 you can see that he he lends himself to this vote and when he's trying to defend it he's he's debating

00:32:58.480 people on twitter and a lot of people myself included were in the you know the replies to

00:33:02.600 all of these people on twitter telling them how we felt about what they were doing you know letting

00:33:07.060 them know how they were just betraying the country they were traitors this is treason and don bacon

00:33:12.860 is you know fielding many many of these comments and he decides to himself dig in on his own twitter

00:33:18.360 account this isn't some you know this is not some uh uh intern running the account posting you know

00:33:23.880 the most, you know, little, you know, blasé stuff, all the little memes or talking points

00:33:31.460 or whatever. This is him. And he is going toe to toe with his own people, his own people that

00:33:37.900 he's supposed to be representing. And he says here, I'll vote my Christianity and American

00:33:42.920 values. First, nothing about your Christianity or American values tells you you need to bring

00:33:46.580 people in to murder people in my community. So not only are you bringing these people in,

00:33:52.260 You're now blaming Christianity or American values for your willingness to harm people.

00:33:58.220 There's nothing about what Jesus said.

00:34:00.360 He said to care about your neighbor, not to get them beaten to death by a hammer.

00:34:03.900 John Bacon is in violation of Christian values.

00:34:06.800 He does not care about his neighbor.

00:34:08.620 He's not loving his neighbor as himself.

00:34:10.680 He's getting that person murdered. 0.67

00:34:12.540 He is a violator of Christian values.

00:34:14.720 He's not a proclaimer of Christian values for doing this.

00:34:17.940 But on top of this, he also says, you've convinced me now to look at Venezuela and El Salvador temporary protected status as said.

00:34:26.880 Thanks.

00:34:27.180 So he is directly threatening Americans right here because he wants to own somebody on social media.

00:34:35.100 He is willing to directly threaten to bring in and keep in more migrants in the United States, even from countries like El Salvador, like I said, that are more safe than America. 0.97

00:34:46.820 He knows there is zero reason to keep El Salvadorans here except to punish Americans, to make sure Americans don't get jobs, to make sure that their housing prices go up, to make sure that these people stay on welfare and drain our economy. 0.97

00:34:59.160 He knows what he's doing. 1.00

00:35:00.560 He is using these people as weapons, not against Democrats, not against the left.

00:35:06.880 He's using them as weapons against his own voters because he hates them.

00:35:10.340 He hates them and he wants them to know it. 0.97

00:35:12.300 He wants to spit on them in public. 0.99

00:35:14.320 this is disgusting behavior this is the kind of behavior that well this is why you write a

00:35:21.480 declaration of independence and swear independence and swear oaths right like that's what people like

00:35:25.640 this deserve gk chesterton is right about this type of politician i'll just put it that way so

00:35:30.600 like this is absolutely insane the fact that this guy has not lost every committee assignment he has

00:35:36.540 tells you how weak and feckless the republicans are again i'm glad that this bill seems to have

00:35:41.720 very little chance of making it through actually getting passed by the senate and then the

00:35:46.120 president but i don't just want it to fail these people need to be taught a lesson an example must

00:35:50.960 be made of people like don bacon you cannot let a man who claims to be a republican threaten to

00:35:57.380 just inflict immigrants as a weapon on the united states and that really tells you that everything

00:36:03.940 these people say is a complete joke it's a complete lie because he knows what he's doing

00:36:08.800 He knows he's using these people as direct biological cultural warfare against his own people.

00:36:14.740 He knows it, and he brags about it.

00:36:16.820 He thinks it's funny.

00:36:17.980 That's a Republican.

00:36:21.820 It's almost hard to describe the level of spite that conservative leaders have for conservative voters.

00:36:32.840 This level of just pure disdain is sort of hard to wrap your mind around.

00:36:38.800 Because look, you and I are fairly political, right?

00:36:43.120 It's what we do for our job.

00:36:45.320 But even my enemies, like the people I really despise, I don't think I think about them

00:36:52.080 in the same way that this alleged Republican thinks about, oh, I don't know the people

00:36:55.800 who live in his district, right?

00:36:57.900 The insane level of just pure disgust shown in that, where it's like, oh, you hated that?

00:37:02.940 Well, guess what?

00:37:03.420 I'm going to do it even more.

00:37:05.200 I'm going to rub your nose in diversity.

00:37:06.920 A statement, ironically, made by a left-wing British figure, but oddly enough seems to apply

00:37:13.800 to our own ostensibly mildly nativist Republican Party. One of the things that I think we should

00:37:20.620 mention, we talked earlier, of course, about how the Dominicans view this issue, where they take

00:37:27.160 their border security very, very seriously. One could assume that having been neighbors for quite

00:37:34.160 a while, they would understand it. They would understand what living next to Haitians was like.

00:37:38.740 They've had a lot of practice. And their conclusion was, no, we don't want you coming here at all. 1.00

00:37:47.360 Central American racism is sort of confusing to me. I don't understand it at all. But I will say,

00:37:52.760 I am very much aware of the fact that Dominicans do not like Haitians at all.

00:37:58.240 They do not want to be associated with them in any way. The sort of scenes that you see from the

00:38:04.460 Dominican Republic are sort of out of the worst nightmares of anti-ice activists, right? The sort

00:38:13.180 of actual going door to door with rifles, looking for the outsider that you saw in all of the AI

00:38:19.240 generated ads talking about Trump's America, the sort of scare tactics. And so seemingly, if the

00:38:28.240 acquainted with this view it as something that ought to be avoided okay that should certainly

00:38:35.260 you know put some some questions in our mind but our own elected leaders are basically saying oh

00:38:41.500 you thought that was bad well here's what you get for being mean to be on the internet i'm

00:38:47.640 do it even more oh you thought that was bad just watch and again over what an internet argument

00:38:55.220 right wrapping yourself sort of jesus washing your opinion no we don't have to put up with this

00:39:03.460 this is not how our elected leaders should act this is not how elected leaders act in

00:39:09.440 a serious country or i mean what do you call the dominican republic a serious country i don't want

00:39:14.760 to impugn the honor of the dominican republic but seemingly they don't act like this you know a

00:39:20.740 literal banana republic. And so somehow in the most wealthy, the center of the world,

00:39:28.320 a hub of industry, hub of finance, we are treated worse by our own deep red conservative 0.75

00:39:35.480 representatives. It's absurd, genuinely absurd. And so when you look at the polls and you see,

00:39:41.700 as you've said, the Republican party is not doing well. They've lost hard among young men.

00:39:48.560 They've lost heart among even non-college educated white voters, the Trump demographic.

00:39:56.580 Well, you have to ask why.

00:39:59.040 And 100%, the war is part of it.

00:40:01.340 The high gas prices are part of it.

00:40:03.600 But honestly, I think for most people, the war is sort of more symbolic.

00:40:09.880 You and I are nerds.

00:40:11.120 We care a lot about foreign policy.

00:40:12.780 We dig into all this stuff.

00:40:14.740 But I think for a lot of people, it's like, wait a minute.

00:40:16.860 This is what you're focusing on?

00:40:18.220 You're not doing the things that I asked you to do that you said you'd do. 0.90

00:40:21.700 You'd fix immigration. 0.98

00:40:22.580 You'd fix the economy. 0.99

00:40:23.520 You're wasting all this time and effort on those guys over there.

00:40:27.880 And then when they look to their elected GOP leaders, what do they see?

00:40:32.980 Oh, well, when the eyes aren't on them, they turn into Democrats.

00:40:36.940 They're threatening their own voters with even more.

00:40:41.400 Like, oh, be nice to me or else.

00:40:44.040 It's like, well, this isn't how this works.

00:40:46.400 This is a conditional relationship.

00:40:48.220 I give you something for something.

00:40:50.860 It's the most basic part of politics.

00:40:53.100 And to see, allegedly, the party that is in power, a party that doesn't do the things 0.97

00:40:58.960 it used to do, that isn't for losers anymore, adopting the same loser attitude, adopting

00:41:04.440 the same things which have led to decades of democratic rule, effective or formal, whichever 0.96

00:41:12.320 way you want to look at it, you just want to pull your hair out.

00:41:16.220 Have these people learned nothing?

00:41:18.220 seemingly they somehow have it and are winning at least briefly despite themselves

00:41:25.020 well and you know jay i i again i understand that this is probably not going to make it through the

00:41:31.940 senate and if it did trump could veto it but we have to see a cost pay because when you don't

00:41:37.340 people believe that this behavior is at the very least accepted inside the republican party as you

00:41:42.580 said they've lost a lot of young men especially those who are disillusioned over some of the

00:41:47.780 promises they feel are broken. If you want to win those guys back, show them that you're serious

00:41:53.000 about immigration. This costs you very little to make an example of these people. I get that

00:41:58.920 every, you know, every Republican or Democrat president has some member of their party in

00:42:03.920 Congress who goes rogue, right? Like I get that Donald Trump does not have complete total unified

00:42:08.880 control over every Republican Congressman. I totally understand that. However, when you endorse

00:42:14.480 someone like maria salazar and you say nothing when she's doing stuff like this it starts to add

00:42:20.020 up people start to ask questions and look i have made this case many times that ultimately people 0.92

00:42:26.160 saying oh we'll go just go vote the democrats to to punish the republicans no that's dumb because

00:42:31.400 as bad the republicans are even one term under a democratic president we already saw we'll get to 0.85

00:42:36.660 that in a minute how devastating that can be however there's only so many times i can say

00:42:41.720 that before I understand that if you keep not delivering, if you keep signaling to people who

00:42:47.800 voted for you that you do not care about these issues sufficiently, they're not going to show

00:42:52.800 up for you. And I can't blame them. I'm not going to tell them to vote for Democrats. I'm not going

00:42:56.740 to tell them that the election doesn't matter. I'm not going to tell them any of that. But if you sit

00:43:01.100 there and you fail to deliver over and over and over again, and you fail to punish those who are

00:43:06.500 actively working against you in your own party, when you have the ability, don't tell me Trump

00:43:10.940 can't attack Salazar. Don't tell me that the Republicans can't strip these people of their

00:43:15.800 committee assignments. When you sit there and you tell me over and over again, we're not going to

00:43:20.520 do anything about that. I can't blame people when they then don't show up. That is your fault. That

00:43:26.740 is no longer their fault. You are sitting in a scenario where you have control over at least

00:43:32.800 some of these levers of power and you can't be bothered because frankly, you're distracted 0.92

00:43:36.920 arguing with people over the iran war on the internet was just a dumb thing to be doing

00:43:41.740 while we need to handle this now here is a recent appearance from the dh secretary dhs secretary

00:43:49.100 mullen here and here's what he says on fox news in an interview with laura ingram right to you

00:43:55.200 know qualify as i take advantage of the united states generosity but the problem is is that we

00:44:00.740 want immigration we want legal immigration people that want to make the country stronger we're a

00:44:04.820 of immigrants we understand the right kind of so new dhs secretary swapped out for gnome for

00:44:14.620 obvious reasons by by the way biggest winner of the iran war christy gnome okay because nobody's

00:44:21.560 talking about her cross-dressing husband right now but um you know she's swapped out we get this 0.96

00:44:27.720 new DHS secretary. And just a few days into the job, it's, well, we want immigration. We just 0.99

00:44:34.980 want legal immigration. So he's just, it's like we just hit the reset on the chat bot. We're right

00:44:40.340 back to talking points from 15 years ago from the Republican party. No, we don't want more legal

00:44:47.560 immigration. Specifically, repeatedly, we have made it clear that is not what we want. We want 1.00

00:44:53.640 the opposite. We want fewer people coming into the country legally or illegally. Legal immigration 1.00

00:44:59.720 is just as much of a problem at this point. And yet we get the talking point of, well, yes, of

00:45:05.860 course we do want legal immigration, but it's not just that. He then reveals a little later in the

00:45:11.680 interview that at least 20 million illegals came in under Biden. Now I've heard eight, I've heard

00:45:18.240 10. But Secretary Mullen says 20 million new illegals. Now, Jay, you and I have heard 10 to

00:45:24.760 15 million illegals in this country for what? Three, four decades at this point. We knew that

00:45:31.080 number was going to be a joke, right? We knew it was probably closer to something like 30 million.

00:45:36.040 But if we got another 20 million under Joe Biden, that means there are at least 50 million

00:45:42.920 illegal immigrants inside the United States. And we also learned from the Trump administration

00:45:48.080 that there are another 50 million outstanding visas giving people access to enter the United

00:45:53.580 States at any given time. Now, they're not all here, but a lot of them are constantly moving

00:45:59.560 in and out, which means we could have up to 100 million people at any given time in the United

00:46:05.840 States who are foreign. Jay, that means a quarter to a third of the United States at any given time

00:46:11.520 could be a foreigner. That's where our money goes. That's where infrastructure goes. That's 0.99

00:46:17.320 where our jobs go. That should be an absolute outrage. We should be dedicated to never allowing 0.94

00:46:23.520 something like this again. And yet it seems that the Trump administration is looking to

00:46:27.860 maybe dial back some of the public deportations, not go as hard. We just had another key member

00:46:34.680 of Homeland Security and ICE leave in the middle of this. It is not looking good. All signs are

00:46:42.080 pointing against an increase in deportations. Now, again, the 2 million people who have left

00:46:48.000 or been removed by the Trump administration is still an improvement. A closed border is still

00:46:51.980 an improvement to a Biden or Harris administration. I recognize that. I will count those as wins,

00:46:57.780 but it is very clear that if Joe Biden can bring in 20 million people in four years,

00:47:02.840 and we can only deport 2 million in one year. And again, less than half of those are actual

00:47:09.560 physical deportations. We're counting self-deportations as well here. But 2 million versus

00:47:14.280 20 million, we are never catching up. We are never winning another election again unless something

00:47:19.080 changes radically. And it seems like rather than this lighting a fire into the Trump administration

00:47:23.720 to ratchet up deportations to the next level, it seems at the very least we're holding steady or

00:47:29.280 possibly throttling down. Well, here's the other thing, right? Even if we accept that the sort of

00:47:39.380 conventional wisdom that you know the optics of ice raids were so bad that they were going to

00:47:46.200 torpedo anyone's chances on the you know the right side of the ticket of winning in the midterms or

00:47:53.020 in the presidential elections which i don't think is true but let's accept it well okay what you

00:47:59.580 were doing then is basically saying well we're going to take a lick now to make our chances

00:48:08.280 better going forward. Because we understand the game electorally with the flow of money

00:48:15.400 with illegal immigration and with legal immigration as well. Well, okay. So that's at least an

00:48:22.720 argument, right? That there is a long-term reason to basically take an immediate hit

00:48:27.060 in popularity for a long-term victory or the chance at a victory. But we're still doing other

00:48:34.520 things that are really, really unpopular. I don't know, like a war. And seemingly that's a price

00:48:40.720 worth paying the consequences in the next election. So seemingly when, when another country basically

00:48:47.820 picks up the phone and says, Hey, you're going to fight with Iran, something that multiple top

00:48:51.940 Trump officials have alleged that, right. That is a political calculation where it's worth making,

00:48:58.940 right. We're willing to sacrifice political capital for that. But when it comes to,

00:49:02.940 I don't know the things you literally promised to do, or also your long-term chances of maintaining

00:49:08.920 a viable electoral strategy. Well, that's too difficult. We couldn't do that. That would be

00:49:14.460 mean. And so again, the question becomes, well, what is the purpose of this party?

00:49:20.540 Is the purpose of this party to act as a political party, to increase its own power,

00:49:25.120 to represent its voters, even just to enrich and make the people at the top of that organization

00:49:29.940 powerful? Seemingly not, at least in the same way that the other side of the aisle is. And really,

00:49:35.800 it goes back to, I believe, Michael Anton coined the term or the idea that the Republican Party 0.78

00:49:43.140 are the Washington generals to the Democrats' Harlem Globetrotters, the designated losers,

00:49:48.840 the guys who get dunked on every election over and over and over again. That's why they're there.

00:49:54.740 And I may naively assumed that Donald Trump was correct when he said he taught the Republicans

00:50:00.200 how to win.

00:50:01.440 They were going to get sick of winning.

00:50:03.800 Well, that didn't happen, clearly.

00:50:06.380 And it's salvageable, right?

00:50:08.160 Something could be done.

00:50:09.660 But if current trends continue, it seems as if, well, nothing has changed.

00:50:14.460 It's a flat circle.

00:50:15.360 The last 20 years of this MAGA revolution were apparently a waste, right?

00:50:21.060 We're doing the same things we used to do.

00:50:22.800 We're losing in the same ways. And as you've said, deportations are great. A closed border is great, 1.00

00:50:28.480 100%. I'm not going to say we should go back and undo those things. But we have to understand the

00:50:34.600 straits that we are in, the current situation, how this problem will evolve over time. And guess what?

00:50:42.160 You don't get to be even a shell of a political party if you lose on this issue. It becomes

00:50:47.980 effectively a one-party state. We understand how these groups vote. We understand how these

00:50:53.140 demographics transform states. So I don't know. What's your plan? Especially when we have all

00:51:02.260 been assured a multitude of times for the past two years, certainly, that Trump officials are

00:51:08.840 going to go to jail. We hear Democratic politicians saying this all the time. They're going to be

00:51:14.220 investigated, and we understand, look at Letitia James, what investigated means. If they look into

00:51:20.320 you, you're going to jail. The consequences, even for the guys at the top, just them, not you and I

00:51:26.660 are on, are dire. They're very real. You have people suggesting that Hegseth is going to go to

00:51:32.740 the Hague, which probably won't happen, but at least it indicates that they're really, really

00:51:38.620 mad and they want to punish him. So you would assume, you know, even for their own selfish,

00:51:43.720 self-preservation that this would be a top-line issue because this is what prevents you from

00:51:48.980 being able to stay in power the fact that your opponents can just basically print more voters

00:51:55.080 bring more people in it's absurd jay you know the minute that donald trump was shot

00:52:01.960 and he stood back up and pumped that fist i was sure that everything was gonna change that

00:52:11.720 switch seemed to have flipped you could see in his eyes that it was no longer about you know

00:52:17.800 being famous or you know getting back in the white house because people will shake your hand and be

00:52:23.440 excited to see you he wanted to be there because there was retribution you know if nothing else

00:52:31.200 what we knew about donald trump is even if he wouldn't do it for the country he'd do it for him

00:52:35.520 right like you made him bleed you tried to put him in jail like there's donald trump's back was

00:52:41.480 against the wall he was caesar who couldn't return home because if he did they'd arrest him right like

00:52:46.400 this is where he was at this is the moment where these world historical figures are forged and it

00:52:53.000 seemed like a perfect storm was meeting to turn donald trump into that moment you know turn to

00:52:59.660 turn him into that man in that moment and when he entered office with that flurry of activity you

00:53:06.940 know when he won the the election decisively and he started signing all those executive orders it

00:53:11.320 seemed like he was that guy that he had learned the lesson that we had put new people in charge

00:53:16.120 and there was a new way we were going to do things and we were going to be aggressive and

00:53:19.440 we're going to move fast and break stuff and we weren't going to care and now as you say i feel

00:53:25.800 like i'm going crazy because all of these people are going to go to jail and we are never going to

00:53:30.920 have a legitimate election again if a democrat wins as curtis yarvin pointed out and a lot of

00:53:36.020 people did not like him saying this the american people are just never going to have an armed

00:53:40.240 a revolution they're not going to do it if they were going to do it they would have done it and

00:53:44.640 so because of that mass immigration is basically going to go unpunished you think you've seen mass

00:53:49.540 immigration no you haven't even seen mass immigration you think you think 20 million

00:53:53.640 people is a lot try 50 million try 100 because the democratic party is going to open the borders

00:54:00.320 even wider than it did last time when they come back into power and not only are they going to

00:54:05.280 throw Donald Trump and everybody else they can into jail, they will radically transform the

00:54:10.600 demographics of this nation to make sure that it is absolutely impossible for us to ever win

00:54:15.820 anything again. And despite this very obvious fact, we're at war with Iran. And again, I've 0.83

00:54:22.500 heard so many people tell me, oh, you can walk and chew gum at the same time. You can do both.

00:54:26.640 No, clearly you can't. In fact, we can't do either. We are neither securing the type of deal we wanted

00:54:32.440 with iran in the first place nor are we deporting the people we needed to to get this done now i'm

00:54:38.420 100 the idea that we need to do unpopular things to win i totally get that but there is a certain

00:54:44.080 stock of political capital with it you can do unpopular things and when you spend it all on

00:54:49.960 an unpopular war you don't get to spend it on unpopular deportations and when you tell me well

00:54:55.780 we are worried about the midterms so we will do the war but we won't do the deportations you're

00:55:01.340 telling me what your priorities are. You're telling me who you serve. It's not the American

00:55:06.540 people. Because if it was, you'd be pushing the unpopular thing that saved the American people,

00:55:11.080 not the unpopular thing that saved some other country in the Middle East. And so it's very

00:55:15.840 clear that we're willing to go to the mat and blow up midterms and blow up elections and the 0.95

00:55:21.760 future of the United States so we can go fight a war because Israel really wanted it. But we are 0.87

00:55:26.480 not willing to do deportations because that might make us unpopular here this is the classic trap

00:55:32.580 you think you can get more done overseas so you go overseas instead of fighting the hard battle here

00:55:38.000 it feels like you're getting a win maybe but ultimately not only does that not work out but

00:55:42.800 even if it had worked out you spent all your time and effort over there and so now the battle that

00:55:47.840 would have gotten you more power doesn't happen trump just approved or you know was just bragging

00:55:52.440 about the fact that he's going to get a fisa extension passed two years ago trump was saying

00:55:57.540 we need to get rid of fisa because it was used against me that was one of his goals of the

00:56:01.580 administration was to get rid of it now i'm not a libertarian i'm not the guy he says oh well the

00:56:06.440 government having power in all circumstances is bad and we have to be careful what we hand over

00:56:10.460 to our enemy but you're literally setting up a scenario where you will have solved the iran

00:56:15.860 question for the democrats you will have handed them the power to spy on you and then you will

00:56:21.720 relinquish control of the government to them so they can bring in another 20 million illegal

00:56:26.840 immigrants and ensure you never pass a law again so all of your wins are just you building things 1.00

00:56:33.300 that your enemy will use against you and then making sure you don't stay in power that's what

00:56:38.480 the wins are this is just the worst tactical maneuver you could make anyway sorry guys i know

00:56:46.940 that was not a another uplifting episode but that's why we try to talk about the war as much

00:56:52.920 as possible really at this point uh that said uh there are uh several questions from the audience

00:56:59.260 stacking up so before we go to them mr burden where can people find your fantastic work yeah

00:57:04.560 thank you so much for having me on orin uh i i appreciate you bringing me on for for all the

00:57:10.440 most depressing episodes i uh i was talking to my brother-in-law and i said oh i'm gonna be on

00:57:15.180 and his response was oh it's one of those episodes then so anyway in all seriousness i i really do

00:57:22.140 appreciate the opportunity but you can find me jay burden on jay burden show one episode every day

00:57:28.700 just put on an episode on the iran war where we went over many of the same points you can also

00:57:34.600 check me out on substack where i just dropped an a free article a a few hours ago called dershowitz

00:57:40.880 zealot zealot for a foreign land figure out that is also on a similar related topic again or and

00:57:47.760 thank you so much for having me on of course everyone should be listening to the jay burden

00:57:52.940 show let's go to our questions here we've got uh no i'm not grim from red riding hood says why is

00:57:59.980 kevin hart in the thumbnail look man okay what are you trying to say what are you trying to say

00:58:04.060 that is a distinct and very separate person wielding a hammer um but uh yeah moving on 0.95

00:58:10.640 moving on uh tiny stupid demon says i am once again reminded uh reminding everyone that there 0.98

00:58:16.880 is no such thing as the republican party mold bug speaks of this yeah and i mean you know the hope 0.99

00:58:22.540 was ultimately that donald trump would be a vehicle to destroy the republican party as we

00:58:27.840 understood it that it would be remade into something that could be a nativist populist

00:58:32.540 vehicle. And that was, you know, whether we like it or not, there is a two party system and we do

00:58:38.640 have to engage at some level unless you've decided that you're just done with politics, in which case

00:58:43.500 I totally get it. But the Republican Party is at the very least the only outlet that you can turn

00:58:48.560 towards your purposes. But it is unfortunately very clear that that that victory is not in any

00:58:55.140 way entirely won and that the old GOP is still very much influential inside the party.

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00:59:33.260 Joe McDermott says, I can't tell the difference between living under a GOP elected MAGA and being conquered and colonized by a hostile empire.

00:59:41.620 Again, sadly, you know, it's the only vehicle available at the moment.

00:59:48.980 We just don't have a parliamentary system where we can make a Rupert Lowe like they did in the UK or something like that.

00:59:54.640 The last time we got a new political party was the Civil War, you know, that actually became a true national sustained force. That said, I totally understand the sentiment. I get that. It's very depressing right now. The Republicans absolutely refuse to make good on any of these promises. Trump is not helping the situation.

01:00:15.160 um again i'm not i'm not going to tell people to go vote democrat i'm not going to tell people

01:00:19.960 uh you know to support the the you know anti-white open borders uh party explicitly

01:00:25.260 uh but i i get it i get if people don't show up to this election and the go people have no one

01:00:30.760 to blame but themselves grim also says uh six and eventually seven republicans yep believe it or not

01:00:39.540 it was six for the uh initial like resolution and then seven for uh the final vote so they

01:00:45.380 actually somehow added people after all of the outrage over what was going on

01:00:50.580 and wild speaker says question for orrin and jay with the presence of ethnic cartels becoming more

01:00:57.900 brazen and u.s politics crafting bills to benefit their in-group what are the chances

01:01:02.660 uh there are white identitarians begin to appear in politics uh i think it's going to be difficult

01:01:10.180 for uh that to happen explicitly uh what i do think is you're going to see people more aggressively

01:01:16.820 arguing against anti-white politics we've already seen this uh you know people are more and more

01:01:22.620 willing to use the term anti-white they're willing to uh recognize ethnic interests and

01:01:27.680 ethnic cartels uh will that eventually uh raise some level of white identity in the united states

01:01:33.440 it could when you when you increase the salience of identity that includes all identities including

01:01:38.380 white identities uh but i doubt you will see some very explicit uh like white interest only

01:01:45.100 politician or party in the way that sadly many politicians work for other ethnic groups in the

01:01:51.100 united states i think the key thing here is to continue to expose those ethnic cartels to make

01:01:57.120 it clear to people, this is the game being played. A lot of times it's obscured with ideology. Oh,

01:02:02.100 it's communism, it's Islam versus capitalism or Zionism or whatever. It's like, no, if you 0.82

01:02:07.300 actually look into these, it's just ethnic cartels all the way down. And I think once people 0.74

01:02:12.580 recognize that it'll be harder and harder to deny what's going on. Well, and on that point,

01:02:19.280 i think that as if current trends continue and white americans become a minority minority

01:02:29.060 politics becomes more and more attractive right so any moral claims aside also i think it's

01:02:36.260 important to recognize that yes all politics is identity politics fundamentally i think that there

01:02:44.520 is a hazard in the kind of race baiting slop that we see uh you know other prominent figures engage

01:02:56.320 in and while i don't have someone in mind i think that if we had sort of a white jesse jackson that

01:03:03.040 would be a very bad thing for america not simply because you know i think that there's something

01:03:07.940 wrong with white people but if you look at what figures like that tend to do uh they tend to

01:03:13.940 enrich themselves a lot and not actually do very much for their sensible constituents,

01:03:20.880 that is not an argument against identity politics per se. But when there is a situation where there

01:03:26.980 is a group of people who feel as if they themselves are being discriminated against,

01:03:32.140 they're getting the short end of the stick, and seemingly there is no legitimate outlet for those

01:03:39.380 grievances, you've created an opening for hucksters. You've created an opening for

01:03:44.080 grifters, to be perfectly honest. And so the correct way to solve that problem is to, well,

01:03:50.740 solve that problem, right? Make it so that those people don't feel as if they are being screwed.

01:03:56.060 But as we've spent an hour talking about, our elected leaders don't seem to be willing to

01:04:02.860 make those decisions. And so to be honest, I think that race relations more broadly are going

01:04:12.300 to continue to get worse simply because at least one party is hell bent on making them worse.

01:04:19.740 Yeah. I mean, obviously a lot of people, uh, have done a lot of complaining and whining and

01:04:26.740 fear-mongering about the idea that white identity could be on the rise. But all those people who

01:04:34.520 are yelling about that and concerned about that never are willing to take any actions to actually

01:04:40.680 remedy the issues and therefore cut off the formation of white identity politics. If, as you

01:04:46.720 say, you resolve these ethnic carve-outs, if you stop allowing for this obvious race-based 0.94

01:04:52.940 favoritism in our system then there would be no reason for white identity to become 0.76

01:04:59.260 salia however we see people who can continually tell us this is the most dangerous thing in the 0.82

01:05:05.640 world refuse to address these issues head on to to resolve this issue and so they are basically

01:05:10.880 doing hyperstition they're like they're they're they're bringing the thing they're worried about

01:05:16.080 into being because they are worried about it they are so terrified of the idea that acknowledging

01:05:21.760 any form of grievance that could be legitimate by the white population of the country therefore

01:05:28.620 they're ensuring that those people feel more aggrieved and eventually turn to more radical 0.58

01:05:34.680 solutions to this problem if you really were worried about this you would simply take actions

01:05:39.160 to resolve these issues before people started making them the central aspect of their politics

01:05:44.640 because i want to be really clear here i don't think that long term that's necessarily going to

01:05:49.980 be a winning strategy uh for uh americans however uh you cannot run around saying the worst part

01:05:58.160 of anti-white bigotry is that white people might notice it and might work to solve it i'm sorry 0.91

01:06:04.600 like that is not going to be a winning argument and all your yells of racists and nazi are

01:06:10.100 eventually going to fall flat because people are going to say every other ethnic group is you know

01:06:15.180 ultimately fighting for their interests and i'm the only one who can't and there's only so long

01:06:20.920 you can tell me that the worst thing that could possibly happen about me being discriminated

01:06:24.500 against is me noticing and taking action about it that is a losing argument and it will ultimately

01:06:29.540 end up exactly where these people say they don't want to be

01:06:32.480 uh the demi find uh maybe uh says uh when you elect someone who's not a politician you shouldn't

01:06:41.960 be surprised that he doesn't understand politics yeah but that's always been trump's like greatest

01:06:45.680 strength and greatest weakness right on one hand he doesn't understand the process so he makes

01:06:49.740 mistakes he says outrageous things he blunders into stuff he doesn't know who to appoint he

01:06:54.220 doesn't understand how the system operates the other side of that is because he doesn't know

01:06:58.520 how the system operates or where the guardrails are he has completely run over people right

01:07:03.400 remember the first term when we just got the straight up muslim ban like we didn't even

01:07:07.800 bother hiding you know that in the language trump only gets to do that stuff because he doesn't know

01:07:12.820 and he doesn't care right so you're right that there is you know this is the downside right we

01:07:17.340 love the upside when trump didn't understand politics and it was doing good things for us

01:07:21.340 we like that now that there's some problems with that it's a downside but you know this is the

01:07:26.240 deal you're making when you put a guy like trump in that scenario db 543 says conservatives need

01:07:34.620 to stop the lgb without the t they're just as bad the post i've seen on x about acquiring kids is

01:07:40.800 disgusting yeah actually i'm trying to put a show together on uh surrogacy so hopefully i'll do that

01:07:47.380 soon uh but yeah i i don't want to i don't want to ruin that show by getting into there's a whole

01:07:52.040 another video going around on twitter right now that if i talk about i will just absolutely flow

01:07:56.800 fly off the handle and uh and and lose my my cool so i'm not going to talk about it just 0.97

01:08:01.680 say this uh human trafficking of children by uh homosexual couples is absolutely insane 0.95

01:08:08.780 um and uh it is an absolute uh blight on this country the fact that we allow it uh really uh 0.98

01:08:15.240 is one of the most disgusting things i've ever seen and um i i think uh you're absolutely right

01:08:20.900 about that millstones yeah it's a millstone problems require millstone solutions i am i'm

01:08:28.080 classic uh you know the jesus good enough for jesus good enough for me is uh my motto when it

01:08:33.560 comes to the proper punishment uh for that one uh wild speaker says uh sounds like white identity as

01:08:39.020 defense as defensive necessity again i think that's probably what's going to happen if these

01:08:45.520 guys do not uh figure this out and i don't think they will i think you are probably going to see

01:08:50.740 that again i doubt you're going to get like truly explicit uh like shameless handling in the way

01:08:56.680 that you do to other minorities in the united states uh but i do think the acceptability of

01:09:01.320 some level of collective white identity will be forged i mean people you know even chris ruffo

01:09:06.340 has talked about this jeremy carl has talked about this when you have a group of people who

01:09:10.360 is oppressed and you i'm sorry i know some people don't like that word but you cannot look at the

01:09:16.160 literal encoding of anti-white bigotry in the united states in all of our laws in all of our

01:09:22.100 institutions and say there's not some level of oppression there we have a group that is

01:09:25.760 collectively vilified and attacked and blamed for everything you will forge an identity that will 0.69

01:09:32.060 happen you know the black americans didn't start as black americans they started as blacks you

01:09:38.500 know africans from many different tribes and areas and peoples but they forged into one identity

01:09:43.100 because they had one struggle one shared uh you know group that they were seen as and so they

01:09:48.820 became one if that continues to be the case in america as it has been for basically my entire

01:09:54.340 life, then yeah, that's a natural outcome that's going to occur. And all the whining and all the

01:09:59.940 crying and all the kvetching, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because ultimately that's going

01:10:05.260 to occur no matter how many times you wag your finger at people and demonize them when you are

01:10:10.020 continuing to provide those incentives. All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

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