Vivek Calls Out Replacement Migration ｜ 12⧸7⧸23
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Chris Christie, Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy, and Ron DeSantis were the only four people on stage in the first Republican primary debate without Donald Trump. What did they have to say about it?
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So, yet another GOP primary debate without the relevant candidate, of course, Donald Trump.
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But we did have Chris Christie, Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy, and of course, Ron DeSantis.
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This was an interesting one, despite the fact that, of course, the major player wasn't here.
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While it is often like we are listening to the kids' table,
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it is interesting to see what ideas come up, what is percolating in kind of the consciousness
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Because it does have some interesting moments that kind of indicate where the party is going
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These are the things that I think really matter in this situation,
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since the, again, most relevant candidate isn't on stage.
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So, I wanted to go through the debate today and play a few of the clips for you,
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because I do think some really important things were discussed.
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was the fact of replacement-level migration that was brought by Vivek.
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All right, guys, so let's go ahead and take a look at the debate last night.
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Like I said, it's the kids' table in a lot of ways.
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All of these people here that are running are really just hoping something happens to Donald Trump,
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I know that's a terrible thing to say, but it's just the truth.
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That's something that was brought up during the debate.
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Megyn Kelly was kind of the main moderator for this,
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and this was a better debate than what we've seen from a lot of other situations.
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I still think that the best one was the summit where Tucker Carlson got to do 30 minutes with kind of each candidate.
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However, this was, as debates go, this was better.
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It's a much smaller, of course, only four people on the stage,
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and the questions that were asked were pretty pointed.
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And Megyn Kelly pointed out that the entire field was being lapped by Donald Trump by a good bit.
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Even Ron DeSantis, who was supposed to be the frontrunner, was supposed to be the other guy,
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the non-Trump candidate, was supposed to coalesce all of the support that was not for Trump behind himself.
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He was supposed to be the most relevant guy on the stage.
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He did an amazing job, especially during the pandemic, and he has my support as Florida governor, and my thanks.
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I think he's a very good policy guy, and I think that he has a very valuable future when it comes to administration and politics.
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However, this was just not his time, and I think that's become very clear at this point.
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He's down, I think, by like 30 points, even in Florida, his home state, where he is well-loved,
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which just kind of shows you how it was not a good idea for him to get into the race at this time
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to kind of waste his political capital and his moment when he would have been the heir apparent to Trump after this.
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I think a lot of people just didn't understand the dynamics going on, or they just didn't care.
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A lot of the GOP base feels like Trump was robbed.
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They feel like he's an incumbent, and they feel like he deserves the next chance.
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And yeah, there's a lot of things you can level Trump.
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There's plenty of criticisms about Trump that are 100% valid.
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He's deeply flawed as both a human being and as a politician for what he did in office, the promises that he failed to keep.
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I'm not trying to defend any of that, but there's just a political reality on the ground
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that I think DeSantis should have recognized, his advisors should have recognized.
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But of course, they're not incentivized to do that because then they don't make money, right?
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So the best advice to give a candidate is to keep you employed.
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And so to keep you employed, you have to keep telling them that they can win
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so you can raise money and make commercials and give advice and set up all these plans.
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And so the incentive structure is just not there for anyone to be honest with Ron DeSantis
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And so I think that he ended up in a bad situation there.
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However, it is interesting what came up on stage because while the brutal reality is that
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none of these people are going to be running for president as the nominee, as the candidate
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for the Republicans, unless something happens to Donald Trump, he's somehow legally barred
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or something physically happens to Donald Trump, God forbid.
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And that's the only way these people are ever going to end up being the GOP nominee.
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And so what they're saying here is more interesting because they're kind of running for vice president
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or cabinet positions or maybe corporate board memberships.
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Every one of these people is really using, maybe not Ron DeSantis, but everybody else,
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he thought he was actually going to be president, I think.
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But everybody else on this stage is running for something else.
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They're on stage to further their careers as pundits or as think tank members, as policy
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So it's interesting what they're saying and the issues they're pursuing and bringing to
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Now, obviously, I think the most important thing that happened last night, I think there
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But I think the most important thing that happened last night was Vivek Ramaswamy bringing the issue
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of replacement level migration, or as it's often called, the great replacement onto the
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He mentioned it during a kind of list of things that he was willing to talk about that no
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It is the deep state that at least Donald Trump attempted to take on.
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And if you want somebody who's going to speak truth to power, then vote for somebody who's
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Why am I the only person on the stage, at least, who can say that January 6th now does look like
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That the government lied to us for 20 years about Saudi Arabia's involvement in 9-11?
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That the great replacement theory is not some grand right-wing conspiracy theory, but
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a basic statement of the Democratic Party's platform?
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That the 2020 election was indeed stolen by big tech?
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That the 2016 election, the one that Trump won for sure, was also one that was stolen
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from him by the national security establishment that actually put up the Trump-Russia collusion
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There's a reason why I'm the only person on the stage who can say these things.
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So he lists a number of things there that he's right most of the people on that stage are
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not willing to touch because they fear the lack, the loss of mainstream credibility that
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You might want to go back and watch that one episode if you didn't catch it, where we talked
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about the importance of the prestige that is sought by many conservatives or many establishment
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GOP members that is granted by mainstream institutions, particularly ones, of course, controlled
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by the left, as almost all of them are at this point.
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And he's right that many of the people on that stage that are besides himself are not
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willing to address those issues, use those words, touch those third rails issues because
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they still want to be seen as legitimate in the eyes of someone like the New York Times
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or more importantly, probably the donor class, right?
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They want to be able to continue to cash those checks from big donors and big donors don't want
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you to talk about any of the issues he just listed, but particularly replacement level
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This is, of course, been treated as a conspiracy theory, and I think he tweeted out a very good
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He said, the conspiratization of the Great Replacement Theory is the standard left-wing
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Transparently advance a toxic policy, then label it a conspiracy theory when the other side
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We need a real debate over whether intentionally facilitating mass illegal immigration to change
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this country is good for America or not, because that's exactly what's happening.
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I think it's bad, but the left believes it's a good thing.
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What the left does so often is implement a malicious policy and then stigmatize any discussion
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or debate on it by branding it with some kind of radical right-wing or conspiracy theory label.
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Again, you can just look at the very many instances of this during the pandemic, whether it came
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to certain shots, certain requirements, certain medical treatments, the different aspects of
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masks, the facts of spread when it came to the disease itself.
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These are all things, if you had any alternative explanation that did not fit into directly
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the mouthpieces of the regime, then you were labeled a conspiracy theorist.
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Even people with decades of high-level experience and incredible credentials who had long strings
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of very reliable publishing of papers and working in this field, they were labeled as conspiracy
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theorists for just stating anything that happened to be factual, but outside of the mainstream
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And of course, we see this all over the place, and it's definitely included in migration.
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There's just simply no way that any sane person looking at the facts can deny that the left
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is specifically looking to replace the current population of the United States, slowly but
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surely, not through any radical, crazy, like marching anyone to concentration camps or anything,
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but they are looking to slowly but surely allow a stream of immigration into the United
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States that fundamentally changes the population, the demographic realities, and political realities
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that are attached to those demographic realities inside the United States to secure a left-wing
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And if you don't think that's the case, all you have to do is listen to the left for 10
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seconds when they think that you're not paying attention, because they will loudly and proudly
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on a regular basis announce their intention to do exactly that.
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They will speak triumphantly about the fact that the demographics in the United States are
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shifting, that they are inevitable, and that the demographics that are replacing what were
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a legacy mixture of Americans in the United States are going to perpetually vote for the left.
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Now, that doesn't necessarily have to be the case.
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We've already seen, for instance, in places like Florida, that Hispanics can move in the direction,
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for instance, of the Republican Party when it came to DeSantis' very large victory,
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So competent governance inside of certain areas may indeed shift those.
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Those voting blocks may not be as monolithic as the left hopes, but they are, of course,
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right, and they're fully aware of the fact that new immigrants, because they are not connected
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to the culture and to the established order inside the United States, tend to look to the
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left because they're the ones offering them handouts.
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They are the ones offering them programs that will give them a leg up.
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And again, if I was living outside the United States, if I was one of these people who wanted
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to have a better life and saw the economic opportunity and the opportunity for my children,
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I would probably do the things that they are doing.
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These aren't bad people in the sense that they are malicious in many ways.
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Some of them are, but many of them are just looking for a better life.
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But they are following the incentive structure that has been set up by a political party that
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is looking to move them into the United States for the explicit purpose of changing the voting
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patterns in the United States to perpetually keep the left in power.
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I think it's something like 8 million new illegal immigrants have been brought in during
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That's at least one or more blue states that have basically been added to the mixture of the
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That's not even counting everything that happened before that.
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That has to permanently change the way that votes occur in the United States.
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They specifically do things like fly these immigrants into red states, these illegal immigrants
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Once they've arrived, they do the same thing that DeSantis has been doing, you know, bussing
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They've been doing that to red states for a very long time, and their intentions are very
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They're looking to change the voting patterns in those states to secure themselves power.
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This is the problem and the flaw that exists when you have mass enfranchisement democracy.
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This is the incentive structure that will always exist.
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There's nothing new to be clear about the Democrats' strategy.
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You can look at the work of someone like Bertrand Juvenal in his book On Power.
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He explains how every time the high-low versus middle dynamic that I've talked about many
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times, that power, the total state, wants to bring in client classes that are not connected
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So if you want to look at kind of the right, the conservatives, as kind of a classic ruling
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order inside the United States, they are, the left wants to undermine that by bringing
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in people who are not connected to those communities, those traditions, those ways of life.
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They want to bring them in because they are less likely to be loyal to those things, less
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likely to buy in those things, more likely to instead be loyal to a regime that can hand
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out status and benefits and economic opportunity to them, they are more likely to do that.
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And then they use those tools as a wedge against the existing power structures of the existing
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Again, this is not some new or novel strategy that the left has developed.
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This is not something that's particularly, I mean, it's malicious, but it's not particularly
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This is a tried and true power formula used by those that wish to get rid of the middle
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class, get rid of the established power inside a political body so that they can gain power
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by destroying their opponents, their competition.
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And the Democrats are simply recognizing that and they are deploying that.
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And if Ramaswamy is exactly right to call this out because it is the issue, it is the
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only issue that matters because this is an existential threat to the political process inside the
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If you're going to have a popular sovereignty mechanism, if you're going to have especially
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mass enfranchisement across the entire body of people inside the United States, you have
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to control who's here because if you don't, your leadership will.
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And when the leaders can simply move in a population to change the voting reality on the
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If they don't like the fact that you're opposing certain aspects of their agenda, they will
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simply move in people who will dilute your vote and then make sure that you don't have
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And so if you don't have a tight control on the border, if you don't have a tight control
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on the makeup of the country, then you will lose.
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The political beliefs of people are largely tied to the way that they were brought up,
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The values of the United States are not magically handed down to us from the Constitution.
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The Constitution was a reflection of the natural values that had arisen from the people who
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The United States is a set of values and a culture that came from the people who lived
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And if you change the people in the United States, you will change the values of the
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And the left obviously believe that because they want to fundamentally transform the United
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And they know that the key to doing that is changing the makeup of the United States.
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It is the strategy they are directly implementing and will brag about if they are allowed to.
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It's Michael Anton's celebration parallax, right?
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If you notice it and you're in favor of it, then you're allowed to celebrate it and the
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If you notice it and you think it's a problem or you're against it, well, now you're noticing
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You're allowed to acknowledge them if you're in favor of them.
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But if you acknowledge them and you're against them, all of a sudden, you're a very dangerous
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And you can tell this terrifies people because of the way they react to it.
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Let me play Van Jo's over at CNN talking about how he does not like the fact that
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The smug, condescending way that he just spews this poison out is very, very dangerous because
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he won't stop Trump, but he's going to outlive Trump by about 50 years.
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And you're watching the rise of an American demagogue that is a very, very despicable person.
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And I literally, I was shaking listening to him talk because a lot of people don't know
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that is one step away from Nazi propaganda coming out of his mouth.
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No, it's simply acknowledging what the left has directly announced, right?
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In fact, so to explain how deeply the left's own ideology validates what Vivek is saying,
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the left regularly tells you that all of the things about America that they don't like are
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So it is their own ideology that declares these aspects of America to be linked to whiteness.
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That is their woke ideology and the way they explain and relate to those behaviors.
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So by the left's own understanding of the causal relationship between race and approach to
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things, they would need to change the people in charge.
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They would need to change the people who hold power in order to get rid of the aspects they
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So in their own ideology, this is what they seek.
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And yet when Vivek simply states the obvious fact that this is what they are actively pursuing
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and have acknowledged in their own ideology is what they are pursuing.
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No, it's just the acknowledgement of what your own ideological assumptions lead you to
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and what you have explicitly said is your agenda.
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All right, so we look at the way that Vivek approached this issue, and I think it stirs
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Now, of course, I care a lot about many other issues.
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In fact, I defend the fact that people focus on, for instance, the, you know, they'll talk
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about how, oh, well, we don't need to be worried about things like the left's attack on children
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and their innocence because, you know, immigration is more important.
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Look, I think they're both incredibly important, but people who, and I think we need to be able
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However, it is true that if you cannot control your borders, if the left are able to bring
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in people who will vote their way no matter what, then the rest of the issues you focus
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on don't really matter because that means that your voting system is incredibly corrupt.
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This is an issue of a lot of different things, but it's also a voting security issue.
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If you do not seal your border, then you are allowing infinite malleability when it comes
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to the way that the regime can manipulate elections, which means they can always turn them into their
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This should be an issue that's an existential crisis for a real political opposition.
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That's how you know the GOP isn't a real political opposition because they don't really care.
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They make a lot of nice noises about closing the border.
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Even Trump did not sufficiently take this seriously, though, to be fair to him, he was hampered
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in many ways, both by the interjections of the deep state and by sabotage inside his own
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But it's very clear that the GOP does not treat this as an actual existential crisis, which
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is a problem because they're the only people who have the opportunity to take any action
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Now, it was nice to hear some important things from people like Ron DeSantis talking about
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the need to tax remittances went to foreign countries so that they can go ahead and use
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I mean, you should just be, you know, taxing those wildly anyway, just to disincentivize
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immigration into the United States by foreign nationals who simply want to pump money out
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of the United States and send it to their families.
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But you should you also had Vivek talking about the importance of allowing states to enforce
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to actually deputize state law enforcement to go ahead and enforce the immigration laws.
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Again, this should be an all of the above strategy.
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Both talked about the importance of deportation, which I think is really great, too.
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That's nice that that is being normalized, that the importance of talking about deportation
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I think that's something that was basically untouched by a lot of Republicans.
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Oh, we can't possibly send people back once they're here.
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As soon as they cross the border, they're just here eternally.
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No, you're actually having people talking about the importance of large scale deportation, which
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I think is good that that's being normalized by Trump and other candidates like Vivek.
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And I think Santis is also on board to some degree with that.
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Now, that said, I don't 100% support Vivek for a number of reasons, one being that I think
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while he's good on illegal immigration, he's still bad on legal immigration.
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And people need to understand that that's a critical part of the issue, too.
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It's not just illegal immigration that's a problem.
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Obviously, if you don't solve illegal immigration, then legal immigration doesn't matter because
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So until the borders closed, that's all that matters.
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However, legal immigration is itself also a problem.
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We have too much pressure on the average American worker, the average American home buyer, the average
00:26:54.600
American business needs to learn how to hire people who are in this country, invest and train
00:27:02.020
We need homes, the home market to cool down and reducing the number of people fighting
00:27:09.300
These are all things that are really important to the future of the country.
00:27:16.460
You cannot have the kind of vision that the GOP claims that they want for the United States
00:27:22.380
unless you go ahead and shut down not just illegal immigration, but legal immigration as well.
00:27:29.100
You need to seriously curtail legal immigration.
00:27:32.560
And I think Vivek, unfortunately, is not good on that.
00:27:34.960
He's still kind of of this mindset that we can just bring HB1 visas in and have them fill all these
00:27:43.200
Obviously, you know, that's how a lot of Indians, people of Indian descent move into the United States
00:27:50.020
Very competent class moving in and taking over many of those areas.
00:27:55.960
You should be training people in the United States.
00:27:58.120
You should be advancing people who are already here.
00:28:00.740
You should be having having corporations invest in the workforce in the United States, not moving
00:28:05.860
foreign workforces even legally into the United States so that they can have those people in
00:28:12.140
those positions competing with Americans for those jobs, for those wages, for that housing.
00:28:17.620
So while it's nice to see Vivek say a lot of important things, I still think that he is not
00:28:25.480
Now, obviously, I don't think any of these people are going to be president.
00:28:29.100
I don't think any of these people are going to be the candidate for the Republicans.
00:28:34.260
I'm not excited about any one of these guys running for president of the United States or
00:28:39.680
being the Republican nominee because I don't think they're going to be.
00:28:44.120
But it is important to look at what they're saying because I think that the conversation they're
00:28:49.100
And that's interesting because while Vivek comes in there, he's kind of doing his best Trump
00:28:52.580
impression, right, he's kind of blowing through people, he's running over people, he's throwing
00:28:57.560
He doesn't really have the casual nature about it.
00:29:04.800
But Trump had a playfulness to his banter that while it could be harsh, somehow always made
00:29:10.680
it feel like he wasn't going too far in a lot of areas.
00:29:14.460
And that's what allowed him to kind of get away with some of the things he did.
00:29:17.840
Now, Vivek is trying the same thing, but he doesn't quite have the flair.
00:29:22.040
He doesn't quite have the touch needed to do that.
00:29:25.580
And sometimes that creates situations where people feel like he's too hostile.
00:29:32.100
There was a back and forth on this where he got very angry.
00:29:45.640
You say you didn't say it, and then you back away.
00:29:58.960
The fourth debate that you would be voted in the first 20 minutes as the most obnoxious
00:30:17.880
So Christine calls him blowhard and everything.
00:30:30.320
And so, again, I think that it kind of rubs people a little bit.
00:30:35.980
It also had some certain parts of the base were not comfortable with that.
00:30:40.840
But I think he did have a little more finesse with this.
00:30:43.300
And that's why he got away with it a little more often.
00:30:47.000
So some of the other things that got brought up during the debate that I think was very
00:30:51.740
First, I would say that while Chris Christie...
00:30:54.640
Someone just said Chris Christie looks like a Batman villain.
00:30:56.740
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00:31:14.260
So while Chris Christie obviously has no chance and is basically just comic relief for much
00:31:20.540
of this debate, he did bring up some good points.
00:31:23.240
He did do a good job of actually holding DeSantis' feet to the fire on multiple occasions
00:31:29.200
where DeSantis kind of dodged different answers.
00:31:33.920
DeSantis has this thing he does, and it's a practiced political move.
00:31:38.660
I'm not really hitting him on this because this is just what politicians do.
00:31:43.240
But Christie did a good job of kind of nailing him down on this.
00:31:45.560
He will be asked a question that would maybe run him afoul of the base if he answers it
00:31:51.920
to deciding with the establishment, or will run him afoul of his donor establishment types
00:32:00.880
if he answers in the affirmative with the base.
00:32:04.100
And DeSantis will kind of split the difference by kind of saying something that is vague about
00:32:10.220
the issue and then pivoting to an experience, some actions he took, something he did.
00:32:15.560
That is tangentially related to the question, but does not actually deal with the substance
00:32:21.220
They did this when it came to, would you send troops into Israel?
00:32:24.620
He kind of went with a, no, but maybe I don't really, but I was in the military.
00:32:30.140
And so I know what it is to have, you know, there was those kinds of responses.
00:32:33.660
And Christie really went after him a couple of times effectively on that.
00:32:37.520
Christie also correctly pointed out the fact that nobody on the stage was really willing to
00:32:45.620
And that's because Christie is the only guy who knows he, or who's really not running for
00:32:51.860
Christie is running for like, I don't know, MSNBC spots or something.
00:32:59.900
He's not interested in his position in the party really anymore.
00:33:03.800
He's really only interested in ingratiating himself with power.
00:33:06.980
Otherwise he's looking for that strange new respect that is handed out by the left.
00:33:11.000
So often once you kind of stab the right in the back, and so he's willing to go after
00:33:15.760
Donald Trump and he's right that this does give him an air of credibility on that stage
00:33:20.260
because everyone else on that stage is running against Donald Trump in theory, but all of
00:33:25.660
them know that Donald Trump is so popular with the base that taking hits against Trump will
00:33:32.020
So for instance, again, Ron DeSantis, when asked, did he think that Trump was incompetent
00:33:37.640
or like Joe Biden, mentally unable to do the job, which he had kind of indicated in his
00:33:46.640
It's very clear that that was what DeSantis was saying.
00:33:51.680
And because he didn't, he looked bad on stage as Christie just said, you know, look, you are
00:33:55.780
insinuating that he can't do the job, that he's too old, but you won't just say it.
00:34:06.120
He kind of pivots away and says, well, I don't think Trump is the real problem, right?
00:34:10.720
I'm just running because I don't think that Trump is going to be able to run or he's not,
00:34:16.920
And so I, but I don't think he's the big issue.
00:34:19.320
I think there's other, other issues that are more important.
00:34:21.840
And then Haley, obviously she just, again, they know that they can't really hit Trump
00:34:31.060
So, so Christie, while, you know, obviously he's not going to win anything.
00:34:37.840
He did help hold people's feet to the fire in these areas.
00:34:42.380
The other thing I want to talk about, or one of the other things I want to talk about is
00:34:49.440
That was a very interesting thing that came up, up both Vivek and DeSantis went after Nikki
00:35:00.700
She tried to back away from her position, which was very clearly stated.
00:35:04.680
She said that she thought that the social media companies, the tech companies should
00:35:08.940
have to show their algorithm to the United States government.
00:35:11.660
And also that everyone on the internet should have the real name attached to their, uh, their
00:35:18.840
So no more synonymous posting, no more anonymous posting.
00:35:22.360
Instead, everyone should have to show their name on the internet.
00:35:25.780
No, Brian DeSantis could not, uh, pronounce Publius, but he correctly pointed out that
00:35:31.480
the founders themselves, uh, published the Federalist Papers under anonymous names.
00:35:36.960
It was very common practice for the people to write letters to the editor under an anonymous
00:35:43.200
This is how many of the debates during the founding of the United States and in its critical
00:35:49.480
And so this is something that is part of the United States tradition.
00:35:53.240
It's very clear that the United States government wants to destroy internet, internet anonymity.
00:35:59.780
That's why they're going after people like, uh, Ricky Vaughn, Douglas Mackey, who is currently
00:36:06.000
sentenced to seven months in jail for making fun of Hillary Clinton by making a meme, you
00:36:11.800
know, make up all these, all these bogus charges about how he was deceiving people, uh, when
00:36:16.640
it came to election time, just so that they can punish him.
00:36:23.020
This is a critical part of, uh, the ability of people to speak freely in the United States.
00:36:29.860
Uh, free speech is functionally done in the United States, uh, due to the ability, uh, and
00:36:35.260
cooperation of intelligence agencies, corporations, and political parties to smother speech inside
00:36:47.280
It allows people to continue to say important things.
00:36:50.280
Does that mean that some mean, nasty things get said?
00:36:55.740
However, it is far more important for people to be able to air their opinions than it is
00:37:02.760
And so it was really nice to see both DeSantis and Vivek go after her for this.
00:37:08.180
I think that it's really critical that this is becoming a, uh, kind of a good consensus inside
00:37:14.100
the Republican party, that this is the way to approach this.
00:37:17.040
It was nice to hear DeSantis, who sometimes can be a little establishment-y in some of
00:37:25.420
Uh, and it was very interesting the way he said this, he specifically used the, uh, the
00:37:32.380
He said, he said, it's going to let the regime, uh, you know, kind of listen in on people
00:37:36.840
or put pressure on people, social pressure on people.
00:37:40.700
That that's a shift in language, um, that is almost entirely from kind of the, the,
00:37:47.720
Uh, that, that is something that got memed into the language of a major political candidate
00:37:53.220
that appeared in the debate because it has been brought forward.
00:38:00.060
It is really, it's a really important mentality shift that somebody like Ron DeSantis would now
00:38:06.780
refer to the United States government as if it is a threat to its citizens, because of
00:38:12.840
The United States government is the most important threat to its citizens is more of a threat
00:38:17.480
than Russia or China or whatever else is out there.
00:38:20.900
And the fact that he is using language that acknowledges that is a huge shift in kind of
00:38:30.200
Uh, there's also something important that, uh, DeSantis said that he mentioned, uh, was a,
00:38:36.160
uh, the, his interest in making universities back college loans.
00:38:41.180
That's something that I have talked about, uh, repeatedly.
00:38:45.260
Uh, I think that it's, it's really critical, uh, that we shift that when we look, especially
00:38:51.140
when the GOP looks at the issue of, of student debt, even though, yes, I, you know, we shouldn't
00:38:58.520
I agree with that, that we should look at addressing this issue.
00:39:01.620
The fact that there is predatory lending, lending, that there is usury happening and
00:39:06.060
that entire generations of people have been made basically debt slaves to the government
00:39:12.140
and to these universities because these universities wanted to enrich themselves.
00:39:16.140
They've made themselves basically the only option for class mobility for many people who
00:39:24.740
They are the only way for people to get the necessary credentials.
00:39:27.600
And so I think the fact that, and as Stepman and other people have suggested that we should
00:39:32.200
tie, uh, the payment of these loans to the universities themselves, make them liable in
00:39:40.780
If we want to pay back the loans, we should use it by seizing the endowments that already
00:39:45.620
And if we're going to continue to offer these loans in any way, shape, form, or fashion, we
00:39:50.100
should tie them directly to those institutions, make them partially or, or mostly liable for
00:40:12.000
So Vivek, uh, repeatedly, uh, brought up the administrative state, which I think is critical.
00:40:17.920
Uh, he acknowledged the fact that elected politicians are not running the government.
00:40:22.340
He's just saying that out loud that the, he's acknowledging that the managerial regime is
00:40:26.800
the one that actually runs the United States government, that the deep state, and more
00:40:30.640
importantly, cause the term, so the term deep state is good.
00:40:33.140
It acknowledges that for instance, the FBI, the CIA, all of these other government agencies,
00:40:39.220
the established bureaucracies inside of them wield power.
00:40:42.180
But I think it's critical for people to understand that the managerial regime moves.
00:40:46.080
It's not just like spooky smoking man, government agencies, X-files stuff.
00:40:55.860
The, the, the, the entire managerial class working across these different disciplines
00:41:01.720
The fact that he's bringing that to the forefront, the fact that he's talking about that as the
00:41:06.560
thing to address, Hey, it's not Joe Biden that actually runs the government.
00:41:09.980
Hey, it's not the Congress that's actually making the decision.
00:41:12.720
And it's these agencies to which the power has been delegated that are actually running
00:41:19.440
I'm really glad that he's bringing that up because I think that's a mentality shift that
00:41:22.680
has to occur inside the Republican party, inside the opposition, if there's going to
00:41:27.080
be any real, uh, addressing of the issues at hand.
00:41:38.040
Oh, I wanted to play one, one more clip for you here real quick.
00:41:40.300
This is my favorite conspiracy theory of the night.
00:41:42.520
Here's Nikki Haley, uh, talking about, uh, Vladimir Putin's birthday present from Hamas.
00:41:55.220
He was getting drones and missiles, drones from Iran, missiles from North Korea.
00:41:59.680
And so what happened when he hit rock bottom, all of a sudden his other friend, Iran, Hamas
00:42:06.320
goes and invades Israel and butchers those people on Putin's birthday.
00:42:11.220
There is no one happier right now than Putin because all of the attention America had on
00:42:18.780
And that's what they were hoping is going to happen.
00:42:20.980
So, uh, very, very fun conspiracy theory from Nikki Haley there that, uh, that Hamas launched
00:42:26.820
their attack into, into, uh, Israel on Israeli civilians only to draw attention away from Ukraine.
00:42:34.340
So the United States would stop supporting Ukraine or would stop giving its full attention
00:42:38.400
to Ukraine and instead would focus on, uh, uh, the events there.
00:42:43.180
Uh, again, just the, it was nice that the, unlike the last debate, the first 45 minutes of this one
00:42:54.520
It was nice that, that many of the questions asked during this debate were actually about America and
00:42:59.320
his interest and was not uniquely about whether, you know, we're sending money to Ukraine or Israel
00:43:04.240
and who can send the most. It was nice to see that shift. Uh, but, but, but it was definitely
00:43:08.500
funny to watch, uh, kind of Haley, uh, come up with this conspiracy theory. Now, I mean, there,
00:43:14.200
there's very interesting that a lot of these people, unfortunately invested themselves in the idea
00:43:18.960
that Ukraine was going to defeat Putin, that this was going to be kind of the, the Russian, uh, well,
00:43:24.720
I guess another Russian Afghanistan, cause they already did that once. Uh, but then in actual
00:43:29.560
Afghanistan, but this, this was going to be there, another Vietnam for them. This is where they were
00:43:33.580
going to drag out and they were going to pleat all of his resources. Uh, they thought that that was
00:43:38.440
going to be a key part of kind of their strategy going forward. Uh, and that just did not end up being
00:43:44.880
the case. And that hurt a lot of people, uh, I think who invested in that narrative. However, uh,
00:43:51.180
it's very clear that's not going to be the case. Um, and that overall that the United States paid a,
00:43:58.300
paid a decent, uh, price, uh, well, uh, rather large price in, in funding, uh, for this, of course,
00:44:04.880
that seems to have been, uh, incentivized by politicians who are possibly going to profit from
00:44:09.920
that fact that Nikki Haley happens to be someone who profited quite a bit from sitting on the boards
00:44:15.460
of, of, uh, defense contractors, you know, probably not a total coincidence there. Uh, but
00:44:21.160
this is a big loss for them that this happened. Of course, uh, you know, that's a huge loss for the
00:44:27.580
people of Ukraine. Uh, many of which were, were kind of thrown into the grinder, uh, as the, as
00:44:32.780
NATO decided that it was going to fight, uh, Russia to the very last Ukrainian. Uh, and you heard
00:44:38.320
people like Mitch McConnell say this, that they're more than happy to just throw waves of Ukrainian
00:44:42.400
men into, uh, Russian bullets until, uh, you know, Vladimir Putin goes bankrupt. That strategy has not
00:44:49.280
worked out for them. Uh, and I think that, uh, it's, it's horrific that they engaged in it in
00:44:53.820
the first place. Uh, and now that we're coming up with conspiracy theories as to why, uh, that
00:44:58.500
strategy didn't work, uh, it just kind of shows you, uh, kind of, kind of the desperation that many
00:45:03.960
neoconservatives are kind of in as they kind of go to this free fall of, uh, the, of what looks like
00:45:09.600
a loss by Ukraine, uh, on the battlefield. All right, guys, we're going to pivot over to,
00:45:15.300
uh, the questions of the people real quick. So we have perspicacious heretic here for $5.
00:45:24.980
Thank you to CNN. The term Nazi propaganda doesn't mean anything anyway, literally shaking right now.
00:45:31.100
Yeah. I just, I love that they did the literally shaking meme. And of course, yes, this doesn't
00:45:35.320
mean anything anymore, which is interesting, uh, in and of itself. Uh, that's, that's something that
00:45:41.320
the left has managed to do. Uh, they've gotten so extreme in their rhetoric that even their most,
00:45:46.500
their most vile slander doesn't really affect people anymore. Uh, and so that, that, uh, creates
00:45:52.800
an interesting scenario where a lot of people are willing to speak up about things that they would
00:45:57.300
not otherwise speak up about because the left has just cartooned themselves, uh, when it,
00:46:02.160
the clown themselves, when it comes to, uh, the way that they try to censor people. And it's just not
00:46:06.940
effective anymore. Uh, creeper weirdo here. Why are the MSM trying to make Nikki a thing? Yeah,
00:46:13.020
it is very interesting how hard they're trying to do that. She's every liberal outlets, favorite
00:46:18.060
Republican candidate. Remember she was a tea party candidate by the way. Uh, so that kind of shows
00:46:23.580
you how easily those moments, those movements get co-opted. Um, and now she's, she's every, uh,
00:46:30.040
left wing, uh, rags, favorite neocon. I think that's why they're trying to make her a thing. I think
00:46:35.720
that kind of answers your question. Uh, she is containment. I mean, look at the way she runs her
00:46:39.920
campaigns. She, she brings her kind of DEI, uh, credentials. She talks about how I'm the only
00:46:46.600
woman or I'm the only child of immigrants that could do this. Uh, you know, she talks like a
00:46:51.560
Democrat. She uses the language of the less to justify her position. Uh, she's just a nightmare
00:46:56.700
in pretty much every way when it comes to a Republican candidate. Uh, the fact that she is
00:47:02.000
more or less in second place right now, you know, very cringe. However, Donald Trump is, uh, destroying
00:47:09.480
her in the polls. So hopefully we don't have to worry about that. Uh, mint 20 says, and an Indian
00:47:16.140
calling out replacement migration. Yeah. I mean that, that is what it takes. I mean there, you know,
00:47:21.660
whether, whether we like it or not, unfortunately there is a certain shielding that comes from racial
00:47:27.860
identity in the United States to talk about these things. It's ugly. Uh, I think it shouldn't be the
00:47:32.840
case. I think that that's a, a Overton window that needs to be shattered, but it is just true
00:47:38.200
that unfortunately that a lot of people will use kind of their minority status to shield themselves to
00:47:44.540
then be able to talk about things that otherwise don't get talked about. And that is something that
00:47:48.940
Vivek is probably willing to do due to the fact that he kind of gets some defense there. Now, obviously
00:47:54.560
it's not a lot because Van Jones is still going to call him a Nazi either way. Right. So, you know,
00:47:58.980
what are you going to do? However, I am glad that that is being brought into discussion. I understand
00:48:04.500
a lot of people say, you know, look at again, Vivek's approach to things like, uh, bringing in,
00:48:10.160
uh, skilled labor to replace, uh, American labor in certain sectors as, as a problem. I agree with
00:48:16.280
that. However, it is just nice that he's bringing those, that issue to the forefront that just because
00:48:21.080
he brings, he's the one who brings to the forefront. It doesn't mean you have to agree with
00:48:24.000
him. It doesn't mean that you have to suddenly support him. It doesn't mean you have to align
00:48:27.580
with him, but people have to be able to take the W. And I think people need to recognize that when an
00:48:32.800
issue like this gets introduced to the zeitgeist, when the language like this is brought to the
00:48:38.120
forefront, you know, Tucker Carlson has been talking about this for a long time. He's been using this
00:48:42.960
language. So it's not just Vivek bringing it, but it is important. So, so, you know, don't shoot the
00:48:47.580
messenger on this one or don't, don't shoot the issue just because of the messenger. It's important
00:48:52.300
that it's getting mentioned. That doesn't mean you have to swear allegiance to the sky. Just
00:48:55.280
appreciate the fact that it's being brought forward. Uh, Cooper weirdo again, Christie cream
00:49:01.180
represented people of calories, not doing much else. It was really sad. Uh, well done. Excellent
00:49:08.100
wordplay. Uh, mint 20 here says also Christie calling anyone else a blowhard makes me want
00:49:13.120
to self delete. Yeah, that's, that's an excellent point. Uh, Chris Christie with very little room
00:49:18.520
to talk there. Uh, this very, very obviously, uh, the case. So, yeah, I mean, again, I think that the
00:49:26.520
way that Vivek delivers things sometimes push people the wrong way. Uh, you know, I think that he does
00:49:31.880
have a certain harshness that puts people off because he doesn't have that kind of, uh, playful
00:49:36.460
banter, uh, style that Trump had. I think Christie was addressing that he did get, I think some applause
00:49:42.120
for that. I did, he did get some acknowledgement for that. Uh, that could just be the crowd he was in at
00:49:46.320
that moment. But I think that that does play with a certain percentage of the base that still doesn't
00:49:51.920
want to see, you know, they want a certain level of the quorum, even though what we're watching is
00:49:55.220
obviously kind of a sideshow. Uh, Winston hashtag anime, right? Uh, says funny how the stream went down
00:50:04.020
when they asked Vivek about operation warp speed, surely GP donor class don't want to keep, uh, don't
00:50:10.520
want to keep watch and have taken it down. Uh, yeah, I, again, I think that, um, a lot of people
00:50:18.120
don't want to acknowledge, of course, what was done, uh, including people, you know, inside the Trump
00:50:23.120
administration, uh, during that time, uh, it's very clear that Trump turned over, uh, governance
00:50:30.080
basically to, uh, unelected bureaucrats to the managerial, uh, state, uh, that, that was basically
00:50:36.580
how his presidency was, uh, wrestled away from him, uh, in what should have been the last kind of
00:50:41.300
strong year or two. Uh, and, uh, I, I think that he has paid severe costs for that. Again, there's a
00:50:47.700
lot to criticize Trump about. I think that people who do so are absolutely legitimate in their
00:50:55.300
criticism of Trump. I think he deserves everything he gets, especially when it comes to the way he
00:50:59.520
handled the pandemic. Trump was not perfect. He wasn't even good in a lot of ways. Uh, but I do think
00:51:05.000
there's just certain truths that we have to understand about, uh, kind of the political
00:51:09.300
reality in the ground. And one of them is that for better or for worse, Trump is going to be the
00:51:13.260
nominee. And so the question is, what do you do with that? I think that Trump is better than a
00:51:18.060
number of these people, not because he himself has like, uh, qualities that I think compel him to be
00:51:24.600
the best leader, but that he does have a certain affinity to the base, a certain loyalty to the base
00:51:30.960
that many of these other people don't have and a willingness to break out of a lot
00:51:34.860
of the ideological boxes that are kind of set for people when they are beholden to donor money,
00:51:41.440
when they're beholden to a lot of these people, these consultants and others who are managing
00:51:46.260
what they do. Uh, ML whiz for $10. Thanks for the stream. Well, thank you very much, man. I
00:51:52.360
appreciate it. Thanks for coming by again, guys. Always great to have you live. Got a big live
00:51:56.240
audience today. Always nice to see everybody. Great to have you guys participating in the conversation,
00:52:00.780
but of course you can also catch these, uh, broadcasts afterwards. You can catch them on
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well. Uh, life of Brian here says what would be better a Trump nomination or the party cheats in
00:52:25.920
Haley. So that's an interesting question. So if the party cheats in Haley, that feels like it would
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blow up the party, right? That would just destroy the Republican party because she's so not wanted
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by the base. Uh, so that, that would have an interesting effect. Obviously like Trump having a
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shot at the presidency, however, I think brings a whole shot at the system. And in a lot of ways,
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that's who Trump is. Look, Trump is the rock you throw at the windows of the system. And this is
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the argument I've made many times over. I understand people who backed DeSantis thinking he's a much more
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competent guy in policy. They're, they're right about that. There's just no denying that truth.
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However, the question is, do you think competency and policy is the key? Or do you think that someone
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who is more likely to send the system into like anaphylactic shock is more important? I think that
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that Trump is kind of the guy who does that. I think that's the more important thing. That's why I've
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said, you know, he, he probably should get the nod and DeSantis should have waited, but I totally
00:53:25.340
understand people who have the other argument, but I think that's what Trump is. He's a shock to the
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system for better, for worse. Um, John Morton here. Thank you for another great stream. You're on fire at
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the moment. The blaze are lucky to have you. Well, thank you, man. I really appreciate it. It's great to have
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