The Auron MacIntyre Show - War, Israel, and Sovereignty ｜ Guest： Tucker Carlson

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00:00:15.160 Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

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00:00:41.340 oran and use the promo code oran to get twenty dollars off today well normally i would do a

00:00:47.560 little monologue to introduce my guest but i think you guys might have heard of him tucker carlson

00:00:51.560 thank you so much for coming on oh i'm honored to be here thank you of course

00:00:57.140 you just had joe kent on your show obviously a lot is happening right now and joe kent is

00:01:02.300 currently causing quite the firestorm given our situation now very interestingly we've heard a lot

00:01:08.860 about joe kent and how suddenly he might be this crazy guy who has this conspiracy theory about

00:01:14.880 israel doing its own thing going its own way having some level of influence on when we take

00:01:20.240 certain war actions this is of course the most ridiculous thing anyone has ever heard except

00:01:24.880 Yesterday, President Trump got on Truth Social and announced that Israel was bombing different gas fields with no allowance from the United States, no knowledge of the United States, and he guaranteed that they would stop.

00:01:39.140 And if there was any further retaliation from Iran, the United States would continue to retaliate.

00:01:45.080 Now, if I'm counting correctly, that's at least the second time that Donald Trump in the last year has taken to social media and literally begged the Israeli government to stop doing something that they're doing.

00:01:57.940 This seems like strange behavior from an ally and something that bolsters a little bit what Joe Kent was saying.

00:02:03.680 What's the reaction to this?

00:02:05.260 Well, I mean, there's so many things to say.

00:02:07.820 Thank you for asking me.

00:02:08.780 First, I would just say of Joe Kent, I, you know, on Tuesday, he was one of the top intelligence

00:02:16.320 officials in the United States and the U.S. government ran the National Counterterrorism

00:02:19.720 Center. So he's not like a lot of people commenting on these questions. He has access

00:02:25.740 to highest level intelligence. I mean, there's no legal bar to him knowing anything that the

00:02:29.780 U.S. government knows. I mean, it's compartmentalized to some extent, but he's a top U.S.

00:02:33.700 intel official. So he speaks with the authority of his office. And so you can't just dismiss him

00:02:39.040 as a nutcase and you can't announce after he's revealed some of what he knows that he's actually

00:02:45.900 a criminal. We just kind of kept him in his position in the middle of a criminal investigation

00:02:50.180 into his behavior, but he retained his access to America's deepest, most important secrets

00:02:56.700 anyway. None of it makes sense. It's a political hit, of course. It's a PR hit. I'm not even sure

00:03:02.500 there is an investigation the whole point of announcing at the end of the interview was to

00:03:06.720 divert attention from what he said during the interview but what's interesting and what i want

00:03:10.280 to say here is that last night we're sitting we did that live so we're sitting where i'm sitting

00:03:15.640 right now and it's two hours long and it's one of those interviews where both people want to be

00:03:21.500 precise and not get over their skis not say anything they don't really know not overstate

00:03:26.240 anything be precise and so that's like a quite a mental exercise you finish that you're like oh

00:03:30.300 i'm so glad i don't think i screwed up he clearly felt that way also we turn on our phones and both

00:03:36.560 of us have like 15 texts you know criminal investigation to joe kent for leaking to

00:03:41.340 tucker carlson and i say are you seeing this and he goes yep and then he smiles not bothered at all

00:03:49.840 so i've never been in the presence of anybody when he finds out he's the subject of a federal

00:03:55.720 criminal investigation by the FBI. But it's not an experience most people have. And I did get to

00:04:02.000 see Joe Kent when he learned that, and the guy was not rattled at all. And that makes me think

00:04:07.140 that this is a formidable person to be lying about. And it's probably better just to engage

00:04:12.080 with what he's saying, which is true. And the core claim that he's making is that the United States

00:04:17.940 followed Israel into this war. And that's something the president has said repeatedly.

00:04:22.380 That's something the Speaker of the House said, and that's something that the Secretary

00:04:25.860 of State, who would know, explained in some detail on camera right after the war started.

00:04:31.140 So we don't need to guess.

00:04:32.780 The United States followed Israel into this war.

00:04:35.800 It's not an expression of hatred against Israel.

00:04:37.740 It's not an expression of anti-Semitism, but it's a very unwise thing to do.

00:04:42.040 And as Christopher Caldwell, my friend, wrote today in a really smart piece, I think in

00:04:48.320 american greatness he said the difference between i'm paraphrasing between israel's and the united

00:04:54.280 states's war aims is that israel has them i mean there is no strategic goal from our perspective

00:05:02.380 at least it's been articulated i mean first eliminate i mean i could go through the litany

00:05:05.420 of them but as caldwell also says having a lot of excuses does not necessarily amount to a good

00:05:11.700 excuse. I mean, there is no clear strategic goal here for the United States. Israel has one,

00:05:18.440 which is to destroy the Iranian nation state and to incapacitate it through chaos, to start a civil

00:05:24.180 war, sectarian violence that lasts generationally, to take Iran off the map, not to put some pro-Israeli

00:05:31.460 liberal in charge, that's not going to happen, but just to create so much misery and chaos that

00:05:35.840 They don't need to be a factor in the Middle East.

00:05:39.480 That is not consistent with the goals of any other country on Earth.

00:05:43.180 Nobody wants that.

00:05:43.900 Its neighbors don't want that.

00:05:45.300 Its regional enemies don't want that.

00:05:47.180 Europe doesn't want that, which will, of course, bear the brunt of the migrant crisis,

00:05:50.180 the inevitable migrant crisis.

00:05:51.560 The United States doesn't want it.

00:05:53.520 Asia doesn't want it because the entire world is dependent on the energy output of those

00:05:59.120 seven countries, the six Gulf monarchies in Iran.

00:06:01.820 And so this is bad for everybody but Israel.

00:06:03.780 I mean, just think about it.

00:06:05.840 And this is becoming really clear as the war goes on

00:06:09.900 because Israel has an interest in extending it

00:06:12.040 using American money and lives.

00:06:14.360 And the United States, of course, doesn't.

00:06:16.520 And so this was always going to happen

00:06:18.700 when you yoke yourself to another nation

00:06:21.200 that has, by definition, divergent aims.

00:06:23.900 There's going to come a point sooner rather than later

00:06:25.900 when there's a difference of opinion.

00:06:28.000 And once the killing starts,

00:06:29.460 it's very difficult to rein in the other side

00:06:33.040 unless you have a great deal of will,

00:06:35.100 which we haven't shown. And as Joe Kent said last night, the purpose of the interview is to speak

00:06:39.260 directly to the president and say there's a way out. And the way out begins with constraining

00:06:43.280 Israel. And you could do that by just saying, we're not going to pay for your defense if you

00:06:47.180 continue to use our money to go on offense in contradiction of our interests. It's not

00:06:53.340 complicated at all, but our domestic political condition, the funding of our political campaigns

00:06:59.800 makes it pretty hard to do that and no one's done it you know this reminds me of michael anton's

00:07:05.740 phrase uh the the celebration parallax uh where it's you can acknowledge the same set of facts

00:07:12.000 but if you're celebrating them then it's okay that you notice the facts and if you're decrying them

00:07:17.260 then it's not okay to notice the facts he made this in reference to the great replacement but

00:07:21.700 it seems to apply very much to israel here where everyone is saying the same thing yes israel

00:07:26.260 dictated the tempo of this engagement maybe the u.s government was interested in this strike at some

00:07:31.140 point maybe it wasn't but it was israel's interest that ultimately moved us in this direction the

00:07:35.620 only question is not did that happen the question is are you okay with that and if so you're allowed

00:07:40.660 to say it and if you're not okay with it then then it's bad for you to notice this and that

00:07:45.820 becomes a very difficult situation because as you say we we have very different interests from

00:07:51.580 Israel. And it explains a lot once Marco Rubio comes out and says that, because otherwise this

00:07:56.640 war doesn't make a lot of sense. It pushes back against what Donald Trump ran upon, what he said

00:08:01.140 many, many times over and over, not just himself, but many other members of the administration.

00:08:06.540 They seem to have nothing but neocon talking points to fall back on this. You would think

00:08:10.620 if this was something that a America First organization was putting forward, administration

00:08:15.060 was putting forward, they would at least have changed the talking points that have worked over

00:08:18.920 how to say this, how to pitch this war, what the selling points would be. But instead,

00:08:23.520 we went directly back to Iranians want democracy. And you only really do that if you don't have a

00:08:29.060 plan, if you weren't really ready to move into this kind of situation.

00:08:33.640 Well, there was notably little attempt to convince anybody. And I appreciated that,

00:08:38.820 for one, because I don't like being lied to or patronized. I don't like being told things the

00:08:42.860 person speaking knows aren't true and that I know aren't true. The whole exercise is demeaning. So

00:08:46.980 I was glad the administration skipped that part of the program and just did it and made some

00:08:51.200 disjointed noises about why that didn't make any sense and then sent the secretary of state. I'm

00:08:56.740 pretty sure he was sent out to say that. I doubt he freelanced that to say, no, we followed Israel

00:09:01.400 because an attack by Israel and Iran would have jeopardized our troops. Therefore, to protect our

00:09:05.640 troops, we had to join Israel on this. That's what he said in the Congress on his way to a briefing.

00:09:10.440 so I think they told us on purpose exactly why this happened I think the president realized

00:09:17.800 very quickly after it commenced that there were no obvious ways out that don't diminish American

00:09:22.380 power and that this was probably a mistake the question is why he did that and Joe Ken I would

00:09:27.460 recommend the interview I did with him last night to anybody because it's just so interesting it's

00:09:31.200 a historical document I would say and he explained the in his view the four possible reasons that the

00:09:37.920 president changed his mind on a regime change war with Iran. At this stage, I'm not sure how

00:09:44.420 much that matters. I mean, it will matter to historians and it will matter that we find out

00:09:47.380 or think we find out in order that we don't do it again, because the truth just matters inherently.

00:09:52.300 But I think for right now, considering it's ongoing and it's going to be hard to stop,

00:09:56.700 it's worth considering what the purpose of it is. And I do think the rest of us think too small.

00:10:01.700 I'll speak for myself. I have a history of thinking too small. And so I began the whole

00:10:05.620 covid thing like on a very literal level like well how virulent is the virus and you know like

00:10:11.440 what's the death rate what are effective treatments for it does the vax actually work does it prevent

00:10:16.660 infection and transmission i mean i was thinking way too small and now six years on i'm beginning

00:10:21.880 to wonder like what was that and how does it fit into a bunch of other apparently non-connected

00:10:26.420 events that are hard to explain which would include the ukraine war and yes at the root of

00:10:32.100 all of it, the demographic change, the unprecedentedly fast demographic change of the

00:10:38.440 white world, mostly English speaking, not exclusively, but the Anglo world is disappearing.

00:10:44.140 And that's not a theory, much less a conspiracy theory. It's a provable fact. You could go to

00:10:49.240 Wikipedia and get the population numbers and you know the answer. So that's happening. The question

00:10:54.040 is, is it accidental? Is it organic? It's just one of those things that happens. Populations

00:10:58.000 disappear in 100 years? Or is it being forced? Is it part of a strategy to some end that we don't

00:11:06.900 know that I personally don't know? But once you understand that, that is the most important thing

00:11:11.920 and the most profound thing, the biggest change taking place in the world's, I don't know,

00:11:16.700 thousand years, maybe more, certainly since the Mongol invasions. Once you realize that,

00:11:21.900 you have to ask, how does everything else I'm seeing, all the big trends, the big events fit

00:11:26.400 into that if it does. And again, these are questions I can't answer, but these are not

00:11:31.180 only legitimate questions, they're the only questions. And you have to think that this war,

00:11:35.460 because it is inexplicable on the face of it, may fit into that. So what you're seeing is a war,

00:11:43.060 and this is something that people understood and told the president directly to his face,

00:11:47.020 this war inevitably was going to weaken the United States economically. It was inevitably going to

00:11:54.060 force the U.S. out of the Middle East to force the American empire to retreat from its core

00:11:58.220 interests, not keeping its bases in South Korea and Japan open, but from the Middle East, which

00:12:03.660 is a core economic interest because that's where the petrodollar originates. And it was going to

00:12:08.060 crush. It was going to destroy Europe. We blew up the Nord Stream pipeline. This attack on the

00:12:14.580 Qatari gas fields, Qatari shared Qatari Iranian gas fields, crushes Europe. Where's the LNG come

00:12:19.860 from. Gas can't flow through the pipeline anymore. It comes by ship in a liquefied form called

00:12:25.160 liquefied natural gas, and that comes from the Gulf, primarily Qatar. That's off the table.

00:12:29.800 So Europe is in freefall, and there's probably no way to stop it at this point. So when you

00:12:35.260 embark on any adventure like this with the known outcome that you're going to hurt the United

00:12:40.180 States and Europe, possibly just freeball in here, it's connected to the very obvious larger agenda

00:12:48.020 of reducing this specific population relative to world population.

00:12:52.580 And if you think that's a conspiracy theory, tell me how.

00:12:55.460 Because the numbers are knowable, they're known.

00:12:58.700 So stop with that nonsense.

00:13:00.300 Stop yelling at me to discourage my noticing.

00:13:02.840 These are facts.

00:13:04.820 Everyone knew they were facts.

00:13:06.060 Anyone who spent 10 minutes thinking about the likely downstream effects of this conflict.

00:13:11.200 And so, like, what is this, right?

00:13:13.540 you know a lot of people in the industry uh behind the scenes people who are very pro-israel

00:13:20.540 have said to me that they think that ultimately donald trump went along with this war to constrain

00:13:25.340 israel saying that basically israel was willing to do anything and everything to get rid of iran

00:13:30.380 and if donald trump wasn't there to basically you know mediate by in participating in the conflict

00:13:36.060 that israel would just kind of do whatever it wants and that's a theory that i you know speaks

00:13:41.080 to me. It makes sense. But ultimately, it doesn't seem that we're having a lot of mediating effect

00:13:46.120 when Israel is doing things without our approval. It doesn't seem like this is an ally, a junior

00:13:52.420 ally that has any interest in actually listening to the people who are facilitating the very

00:13:57.520 conflict that they are currently involved in. And therefore, us being involved with it simply

00:14:01.920 with the idea that we're going to restrain this power is not only insulting to our sovereignty,

00:14:06.360 but also doesn't seem to work and as you noted there a lot of people are going to just say what

00:14:11.520 you uh laid out there is a big conspiracy theory and i've noticed that we're suddenly hearing that

00:14:17.480 podcasts are very dangerous the most dangerous thing in the world we have to shut them down

00:14:21.420 i can't let the podcasters talk they're destroying the conservative sphere and it's because of the

00:14:26.600 conspiracy theories like the ones you're you're hanging out there however i've noticed in the last

00:14:31.060 few weeks that the kind of anti-podcasters if you were the the very pro-war neocons who are now

00:14:38.040 rooting for this they love conspiracy theories it came out you know right after right as soon

00:14:43.620 as joe kent made his announcement that actually joe kent has been a subversive agent of bernie

00:14:48.020 sanders this entire time that his wife has corrupted him and turned him against the united

00:14:52.400 states and he's now manchurian candidate and and this is not uh you know we're both laughing at

00:14:57.980 this, but very serious people all simultaneously laid this out as with one voice as soon as this

00:15:04.900 happened. I also noticed that a lot of people speculated that Donald Trump used you as an

00:15:10.460 intermediary with the Iranians, feeding you false information, knowing that you were working with

00:15:15.960 the Iranians and you were used to feed them false information to set this up. And again, this was

00:15:21.440 repeated verbatim by very serious actors uh uh immediately after this came out tucker carlson

00:15:28.680 are are you an agent of iran are you were you feeding false information that donald trump

00:15:33.680 filtered through you i mean i i guess i would take issue with one adjective that you use anyone who

00:15:39.400 would say that repeat that whether he believes it or not is by definition not a serious actor

00:15:43.800 just consider on the literal level what they're claiming after months of saying that i'm in the

00:15:48.220 employee of the Qatari government. Now they're saying I'm working for the Iranian government,

00:15:51.480 the enemies of the Qatari government. So it was the Iranians who also bombed the Qatari gas fields,

00:15:59.200 the energy infrastructure in Qatar. So it's like, what side of the war do you think I'm on?

00:16:05.160 And of course, I'm on the American side and have always been. And these charters always level with

00:16:09.540 people with very tenuous connections to the United States and no demonstrated loyalty and

00:16:13.420 often dual citizenship. And I may be wrong, have been wrong many times, expect to be

00:16:18.020 unfortunately again in the future but i don't think i mean from my perspective as someone who

00:16:23.360 has only one passport who lives across from his parents graves like i it's it's like level a real

00:16:29.220 criticism at me level something plausible at me but all of this is just like the same kind of

00:16:35.240 attack whatever they are guilty of they accuse you of which is one of the reasons always accusing me

00:16:40.740 of taking money and for all my many faults and i definitely have them i think they're probably

00:16:45.260 pretty obvious. Um, I could go through it, but I've never been a money guy. I just have never

00:16:49.940 been. I have many sins. Greed is not one of them, but these are the greediest people. These are

00:16:54.320 people who literally negotiate deals while simultaneously negotiating settlements to

00:16:59.480 wars that are going to get America's kills. So these are people who worship money, who are

00:17:04.180 literally money worshipers accusing me of taking money. And by the way, that's a great thing to be

00:17:09.960 accused of because i think it's provable and that's like one thing i haven't done probably

00:17:15.340 have done some bad things that's not one of them and so like that's just a you know you're i'm

00:17:19.580 going to be indicted for taking money well okay haven't taken one dollar ever ever for i don't

00:17:24.620 even have a bank loan i don't have a mortgage like that's how paranoid that's how much i dislike

00:17:30.860 money lending it's how much i don't want to be controlled by anybody ever other than my wife and

00:17:36.240 God. And so it's just I don't pay any attention to that. What bothers me, though, at this point,

00:17:41.820 now that there's a war ongoing, is like, where's the serious discussion from serious people,

00:17:46.380 including people who disagree with me, including people who think Israel is a reliable ally and

00:17:50.660 the beacon of democracy in the Middle East, despite the rape campaign going on in the West

00:17:54.780 Bank, whatever. You can have that view. And I think there are good people who do that view.

00:17:58.460 But where's the debate over what's best for the U.S., even if you believe that Israel is a real

00:18:05.720 ally as we proceed there's like zero debate on the subject and that makes you kind of wonder

00:18:12.360 about motive here another way of saying it is the second this war broke out and i and i've said it

00:18:18.940 i mean i went to washington three times in the preceding month to talk to trump directly and

00:18:22.660 ask him not to do it and explain what i thought would happen i'm not a genius there's like very

00:18:26.540 obvious downstream consequences potentially likely they've come true you get back he does it i feel

00:18:34.320 like, my wife actually made fun of me. Well, I guess you're not very good at convincing people.

00:18:38.400 True. So I guess the people who wanted the war won within like 24 hours, they were spending all

00:18:45.760 their time, not celebrating the deaths of their enemies, but calling for the destruction of their

00:18:50.340 domestic enemies who oppose them. So they won, but they're still angry. In fact, their anger has

00:18:56.520 increased and they have spent the next three weeks calling for like me to go to jail. And now Joe

00:19:03.180 Kent to go to jail? Really? It's deranged, but it's also really, really revealing because the

00:19:10.320 enemy is not the Ayatollah, of course. The enemy is white Christians in the West, in Europe, here,

00:19:18.140 Canada, Australia, New Zealand. That's the actual enemy. And we know that's the enemy because those

00:19:23.040 are the people who are disappearing. Those are the people who are disappearing as a consequence

00:19:27.120 of the policy decisions these same people advocate for.

00:19:32.360 So the war in Ukraine,

00:19:34.320 the war in Ukraine has been over for years.

00:19:37.340 Russia won, but Ukraine is continuing to destroy,

00:19:41.460 pointlessly, totally pointlessly destroy

00:19:42.740 the lives of Ukrainians, of its own citizens,

00:19:45.020 because the United States was funding this war.

00:19:47.340 And then Trump comes in

00:19:48.100 and we're not funding it quite as aggressively as we were.

00:19:50.220 We're still funding it, no matter what anyone tells you,

00:19:52.480 but we're not paying for everything anymore.

00:19:55.020 Well, now Europe is,

00:19:55.960 And Europe has been convinced its leaders have decided, well, we're, you know, standing up against Putin is the most important thing because Putin is the greatest threat. It's not our mismanagement or Merkel's decision to let, you know, all of Syria into Europe. No, no, no. The real problem is Putin. And so we're going to fight Putin, physically fight, like we're going to send men to go die.

00:20:15.320 But we can only send native born Germans to go die because we can't really trust some of those immigrants with arms.

00:20:24.860 So the net effect of this policy is to get still more actual Europeans killed.

00:20:30.820 Now, you can scream whatever name you want at me, white supremacist.

00:20:34.400 I'm not a white supremacist. If I was, I would just say so.

00:20:37.140 You can scream conspiracy theory. OK, where's the conspiracy? These are facts.

00:20:40.920 So if every policy decision that you make or advocate for has the same net effect, a reduction in Christians and whites, maybe the point of the system is its result. And if you disagree with me, tell me how.

00:20:57.900 I am somebody who's only been doing this for a few years. Obviously, this has been your whole career, but it's only been about three years for me.

00:21:04.840 And before that, I was just teaching public school. And my journey has been one of a very average talk radio listener. I was listening to Dennis Prager and Michael Medved and, you know, Neil Bortz and these kind of people. And that was my understanding of the world.

00:21:20.480 And really, it was Donald Trump in his first campaign for president where he mocked Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz on stage and said, you know, no, these foreign adventures have been a disaster.

00:21:33.140 And that was the first time where I was encouraged to go back and read guys like Pat Buchanan and quickly started to discover that actually this has been an ongoing problem, not for the last 10 years or 20 years, but for many, many decades.

00:21:47.080 And that there has been a long string of right wing thought pointing this out.

00:21:51.120 But guys like Russell Kirk and Paul Gottfried and Pat Buchanan and others have been removed from the Republican Party.

00:21:58.060 And for some reason, it always seems to be our intellectuals first to on the right.

00:22:02.300 That's why the right seems so devoid of intellectuals. They all seem to get kind of sent away for noticing the same problem that the real enemy is here. It's inside the gates. And that's what Donald Trump said. He said the deep state is the problem. The establishment is the problem. The parties are the problem. But that is the issue. And we need to stop going abroad. We need to stop spending all of our time fighting foreign enemies, thinking that these people have been ginned up as the greatest threat to us are the issue.

00:22:30.620 We need to turn back internally and face this. And I think after his first term, that became more apparent than ever. The fact that Trump was essentially couped out of office and then Biden was couped out of office. How many coups in a row can you have of a sitting president before you start to notice where the issues are? And yet here we are again. We just have a request for $200 billion for our new war effort, which we aren't even calling a war. And I start to feel like maybe I've gone crazy. Everyone's telling me, no, just line up and get behind this.

00:23:00.120 And I still support Donald Trump because he's the best president we have on things like immigration.

00:23:04.420 We simply would not have a closed border.

00:23:06.540 The J6ers would not have been given a pardon because of what had happened.

00:23:11.720 People are alive today because of Donald Trump, and I'm grateful for that.

00:23:14.640 But I'm also not a zombie.

00:23:16.200 I'm not going to pretend I didn't notice what just happened.

00:23:18.780 I'm not going to pretend that Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin, who were never Trump from the beginning, suddenly becoming the greatest champions of Donald Trump isn't a weird switch.

00:23:28.420 And the fact that everyone is suddenly screaming at me for this tells me, yeah, I think the real enemy is still here at home.

00:23:36.560 Yes, and I would say the discrepancy between what our leaders care about and what their people need is so vast at this point that we say with a heavy heart, we're reaching a pre-revolutionary moment where it's just this isn't working for too many people.

00:23:53.940 It's not just Republicans or white Christians for that matter.

00:23:56.680 It's like everybody.

00:23:58.160 And if you're allocating too, if that much money at a moment where you can't use the

00:24:03.960 commercial airlines right now, right?

00:24:06.040 I mean, I've got, it's not about me, of course, but I mean, for example, I have to go to a

00:24:11.340 family event that I cannot skip tomorrow.

00:24:14.260 I have to go.

00:24:15.480 Okay.

00:24:16.500 And I'm not sure I can get there.

00:24:18.340 Why?

00:24:18.740 because there's some kind of TSA strike underway

00:24:21.660 where people are waiting six hours to get on an airplane

00:24:24.680 or spending night in an airport

00:24:26.000 because TSA, which was only created after 9-11,

00:24:29.680 which you're not allowed to understand

00:24:31.100 because there are millions of 9-11 documents

00:24:32.680 still classified 25 years later.

00:24:33.980 You're not really allowed to know what that is.

00:24:35.240 Shut up, conspiracy theorist.

00:24:36.540 But it was created in its aftermath

00:24:38.000 and there's no evidence it's protected anyone.

00:24:40.860 It's constrained people's behavior,

00:24:42.120 limited their freedoms and harassed them, belittled them.

00:24:46.220 TSA doesn't work.

00:24:48.740 So you can't like fly in an airplane. Now in a normal country, that would be priority number

00:24:53.000 one. It is a continental country. It's huge. And we've been encouraged to, as Ben Shapiro has often

00:24:58.480 encouraged us, if there's not a great job where you live, move somewhere else. It doesn't matter

00:25:01.940 if you're from there, just move to the city and live in an apartment and rent it. No need to own

00:25:06.600 anything like this is we've been told to do this. So nobody lives near their loved ones. Nobody

00:25:10.780 lives where they're from, by and large, anymore. You have to live in a in a metropolitan area with

00:25:15.140 like no clean water in order to make a living. So that's where we are. And we can do that because

00:25:20.420 we rely on an internal transportation system, which just doesn't work anymore. And in the face

00:25:25.240 of that, that's an actual crisis. It's a real crisis. We're sending money because we haven't

00:25:29.960 killed enough of Iran's leadership because we need to do what? At which point we win what?

00:25:36.340 And how will we know? The whole thing is so deranged. And because there's no overlay

00:25:40.800 of like ideological justification you can feel good about we're not fighting for freedom the

00:25:45.980 whole point that we're liberating the iranian people from their captors kind of fell apart

00:25:50.220 we blew up a girl's school and didn't apologize for it and we're still hitting civilian infrastructure

00:25:55.580 and the local police why are we hitting the local police are we fighting the the police in the city

00:26:00.700 of tehran one of the biggest cities in the world i don't think we are so like none of this makes

00:26:05.260 any sense there's no justification for it i know that there's like we're in a sugar high right now

00:26:09.120 But like very soon, people are like eight dollar gasoline. No. And they're still they're sending money heedlessly to achieve goals that have never been articulated. We may not even know what they are. And that money could go to like make it possible to fly to see your kids. But no.

00:26:25.280 you know it's out of moments like that that like things go crazy internally and i do think that's

00:26:31.500 part of part of the purpose actually is to degrade americans to make their life unacceptable here

00:26:38.020 to make them radical to make them hate each other to split this country apart i mean the amount of

00:26:43.340 times the neocons spend not trying to topple some foreign government they get way too much credit

00:26:48.120 for that what their what their real agenda is of course is to divide americans against each other

00:26:52.520 right to destroy for example the trump coalition which they achieved in a very short time who who

00:26:57.520 thought that was possible is the biggest the broadest coalition of my lifetime the the most

00:27:03.160 i hate to use the term but diverse coalition including lots of former democrats a whole range

00:27:08.280 of interests and they completely blew it up it's gone who did that it wasn't the maha people who

00:27:13.760 did that it was the neocons who did that they did it on purpose and like why would you want that

00:27:18.340 Well, you only divide people for one purpose and that's to control them.

00:27:21.760 That's not a good reason.

00:27:23.500 So I'm just, I guess the only thing I would say, bottom line is like, I don't know what's

00:27:26.840 going to happen.

00:27:27.940 Don't feel like it's good.

00:27:29.500 But as you watch what's happening, just remember it's part of something larger that implicates

00:27:35.180 you.

00:27:36.080 So we should know that and don't get, you know, spending all day on X is like interesting

00:27:40.780 and informative, but it's also constraining.

00:27:42.780 You sort of miss the bigger things.

00:27:45.220 And this is a big thing.

00:27:46.020 This is a very big thing that's happening right now, I think.

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00:28:18.880 Yeah, I think it's been very clear that they're attempting to manufacture a particular understanding of the situation.

00:28:25.880 We have a moment like Charlie Kirk's death.

00:28:29.520 And in that moment, I don't think most people understood how critical Charlie Kirk was, how much he was holding this entire coalition together.

00:28:38.960 And he knew, of course, that you needed those Maha people.

00:28:42.940 You needed those young people.

00:28:44.420 You need those non-traditional Trump voters that come in.

00:28:47.320 But all of a sudden, the only polls that anyone is referring to are like polls of Fox News

00:28:52.560 viewers over 70.

00:28:53.820 Like you need a pocket catheter to respond to any given poll.

00:28:57.080 That's not what those polls are.

00:28:58.200 No, I think, Warren, I think you're fundamentally just reading them.

00:29:00.860 Those are polls of MAGA.

00:29:03.020 So what is MAGA?

00:29:03.900 Well, MAGA, by definition, is not America first.

00:29:06.140 It's not an ideological category.

00:29:07.560 It's a description of people who love everything Donald Trump does and support it uncritically.

00:29:12.940 So if that's your polling set, if you're polling people who agree with everything Donald Trump does on the question, do you agree with what he just did?

00:29:23.080 You are by definition getting to 100 percent.

00:29:25.460 In fact, anyone who disagrees with the war has to be removed from the sample set because they've invalidated their membership in it by disagreeing with Trump.

00:29:33.700 So it's like this incredible feat of sophistry that I just have to stand back and like admire as a word guy.

00:29:39.680 I'm like, I cannot believe you set up a poll that could arrive at no other conclusion but the one you arrived at.

00:29:46.140 It had to be 100 percent.

00:29:47.840 MAGA is people who agree with everything Trump does.

00:29:52.020 And then we're polling tonight people who agree with everything Trump does.

00:29:55.600 Mr. Member of that group, do you agree with what Trump does?

00:29:58.580 Oh, yeah.

00:30:00.280 It's like amazing.

00:30:02.020 And people are like, oh, my gosh, it's 100 percent.

00:30:04.180 They're all zombies.

00:30:04.940 well if you only pull the zombies your poll reflects what zombies think yeah as a guy who

00:30:11.880 used to pull apart polls as a uh a local reporter i noticed that the uh abstract of every poll tells

00:30:18.120 you the conclusion but the minute you get to methodology pretty much across the board they're

00:30:21.820 all complete bunk and it's it's all just uh spin it's like what is mag i mean like it'd be like

00:30:28.380 saying um i'm going to pull black people on what percentage of them are black right that's probably

00:30:34.060 pretty high percentage i would think if you're pulling black people they're black you're pulling

00:30:38.840 people who always agree with trump and whether they agree with trump i mean this like it's it's

00:30:43.180 literally meaningless and because i think people spend way too much time online and not enough time

00:30:49.000 in fresh air and with dogs like they they can't they can't think outside these like super tight

00:30:53.760 constraints and they're like oh maga is 100 on board well yeah dude by definition like what do

00:31:01.020 How about a poll of people who voted for Donald Trump in 2024?

00:31:05.200 Like, that would be the starting sample, the set that I would use.

00:31:09.400 People who just voted for him a little over a year ago.

00:31:12.220 What do you think of this?

00:31:13.260 Is this what you voted for?

00:31:14.800 And I think we're getting to less than 100 at that point.

00:31:17.200 I'm just guessing.

00:31:18.820 So I've noticed that when the left was in power and they were worried about the power of podcasters,

00:31:24.920 it was key to talk about disinformation and guilt by association.

00:31:28.520 and we needed more adults in the room this was the general panic narrative that we got out of

00:31:34.120 the left especially after donald trump's win i mean they went so far as to say we need to create

00:31:38.300 a new joe rogan which is particularly hilarious because joe rogan was their joe rogan before they

00:31:42.640 made him not not not their joe rogan but one of the key ways that they have tried to discredit

00:31:49.000 the podcast sphere and its disintermediation of the information network is this idea that everyone

00:31:56.160 is basically nick fuentes or candace owens and everyone who has any level of skepticism towards

00:32:02.960 uh the current war or our relationship with israel anybody who might have read george

00:32:07.720 washington's address or read a pat buchanan book and say hey maybe there's some truth to that

00:32:13.120 those people are basically nick fuentes and this has been the tactic over and over again which

00:32:19.240 seems to mirror almost exactly the left's tactic in fact they even come up with a term called the

00:32:25.320 woke right for this idea which is particularly hilarious because they're using every single

00:32:30.140 tactic that the woke used during the great cancellations of you know the woke revolution

00:32:35.560 uh it just seems to be a tactic that people in power use to throw uh you know disreputation on

00:32:41.500 people and i'm wondering you know is there any way to break out of this cycle uh because a lot

00:32:48.060 of this happens because you talk to these people you interview these people but i also interview

00:32:51.920 people that i don't agree with i interviewed alexander dugan several times i don't agree

00:32:57.100 with him that america is the great satan that needs to be destroyed and i've made it very clear

00:33:01.060 but for some reason having dialogue with people and trying to understand the position

00:33:05.060 is itself so dangerous that you have to be banned from the airwaves or maybe thrown in prison yeah

00:33:10.640 i mean there are many things going on here um i mean as to the answer the answer is pretty clear

00:33:16.800 at least in the way you approach it, tell the truth and don't become a hater. Pray for your

00:33:22.340 enemies every day. I think there's nothing more important right now, especially since

00:33:25.680 people's behavior has become so radical and violent and irrational that it's very easy as

00:33:34.060 you watch it to become what they call you and to become what they are, which is a hater.

00:33:38.120 And that destroys your soul. People can smell it. It's bad for you. It's bad for the country.

00:33:42.720 Don't become a hater. And Christians are required to pray for their enemies. And that means they're

00:33:46.600 actual enemies, people who are trying to persecute you. That's what it says. So every day in your

00:33:50.960 prayers, if you say the Lord's Prayer, which you should, you know, you're reminded that your

00:33:55.060 forgiveness is predicated on your forgiveness of others. It's conditional. You have to forgive

00:33:58.540 other people and you should always begin by praying for your enemies. Like if you don't like

00:34:03.440 Mark Levin, say a prayer every day for Mark Levin. I mean it too. Like that is the big, you know,

00:34:08.420 personal liberation is the beginning of corporate liberation. And if you want to liberate a country,

00:34:13.180 have to liberate its people. And that liberation begins internally. And it's liberation from hate

00:34:19.020 and from lying. Those are the two main oppressors. And we're all subject to them and we've all

00:34:23.940 engaged in them. I certainly have. But you need to get free of that and you get free of it through

00:34:29.260 prayer. That's like the first place you do. Please help this person who wants to put me in jail.

00:34:36.440 And so that's where you start. Then by telling the truth, not simply about other people, but

00:34:41.860 primarily about yourself. Very easy to tell the truth. You're fat. It's really easy to say. I'm

00:34:47.720 fat. Very hard to say. So start with I'm fat. I think that. It's super important to tell the

00:34:52.900 truth about yourself to take the log out of your own eye. And once you do that, then you can kind

00:34:58.200 of see things clearly. Then you're not afraid. By the way, when you are praying for the people

00:35:02.760 who are persecuting you, it works. And you become less hateful. And you can see things more clearly.

00:35:09.620 hate and lust and any strong emotion clouds our vision when i had reporters working for me i'd

00:35:13.860 always say you can't cover someone you hate you can't cover someone you're sleeping with for the

00:35:17.320 same reason because you can't see the person clearly you can't be honest so you can you get

00:35:20.780 clarity on it and then you're free to tell the truth because there's no hate in your heart and

00:35:26.120 you know it so like if you really were an anti-semite like a true you know you really hated

00:35:30.800 jews because they were jewish you'd be a little hesitant to say something like israel dragged us

00:35:37.020 into the world which they did because you'd be like oh my gosh hope nobody finds out i hate the

00:35:41.660 jews but if you free your heart from that then you can be completely honest and people can feel

00:35:46.780 they know they know everything about you just like dogs do they can smell it if you're if you're

00:35:51.820 operating on the basis of some diseased motive people may not know exactly what it is but they

00:35:56.440 know it's there if you're lying people can tell they know joe kent's not lying they just know

00:36:01.680 like is joe kent lying don't think so nothing you can tell me is going to convince me joe kent's

00:36:05.640 line because i know joe kent i watched joe kent and i know what he's saying is true so tell the

00:36:11.600 truth free yourself from hatred and dishonesty and that wins and and the last thing i'll say

00:36:17.840 which is a repetition of what i said before see this in context the whole world is changing this

00:36:24.320 is not a regional dispute over nuclear capacity or enrichment levels i mean stop any more than

00:36:31.320 black lives matter was about you know a guy who died in police custody in minneapolis like no

00:36:38.380 that's not what it was about i'm not that dumb i'm kind of dumb not that dumb this is not about

00:36:43.120 what they say it's about this is a reset of the global order and america's place in it and our

00:36:50.380 economy and it's about populations it's about people it's about demographics it's about race

00:36:56.320 and religion sorry i wish it wasn't i wish it was a regional conflict over like oil or nuclear

00:37:02.180 weapons or something but no that's not what it is and you're never going to get me to pretend

00:37:07.160 that's what it is because it's not true guys i should have mentioned this at the top but we're

00:37:11.780 not live today this is pre-recorded so unfortunately we won't be able to answer your questions like

00:37:15.960 normal but tucker you've mentioned several times the great replacement and the idea that many

00:37:22.080 nations seem to be pushing towards the elimination of european peoples in their diaspora and this is

00:37:29.220 really important because you were probably the first person on major television shows to make

00:37:35.620 it okay to say the phrase anti-white i actually distinctly remember uh back when i was a teacher

00:37:40.300 you bullying my now colleague chris ruffo into saying the word anti-white live on uh on air uh

00:37:46.220 but you know chris has obviously done great work on that but just was hesitant to use that term at

00:37:50.720 the time and now he does because it's just too obvious it's just everywhere and nobody can really

00:37:55.760 deny it at this point but the continued conversation about the grace replacement i think is really

00:38:02.220 important but a lot of people who have heard you speak and i'll be honest at times i have felt the

00:38:08.720 same way have heard you speak about islam in a manner which seems like it might be okay if islam

00:38:15.560 became a major religion in the United States, if it became something that was a common feature in

00:38:21.140 the West. And just looking at what's happening in Europe and increasingly in the United States,

00:38:25.860 it's very clear that perhaps Islamic populations, if they are not the hammer, at the very least,

00:38:31.480 they seem to be the anvil of breaking Western civilization. And personally, while I think it's

00:38:37.680 fantastic, as you say, we should not hate people. And I'm more than happy for Muslims to live in

00:38:43.480 their lands and peace and security and, and have prosperous lives. I just don't want them in the

00:38:48.140 West. I think that they're incompatible with Christian religion and civilization. And I'm

00:38:53.180 seeing the evidence of this sprouting up in places like Texas, where we're building record number of

00:38:58.700 mosques, this kind of thing. And I think a lot of people would just like to hear ultimately that

00:39:03.820 this is something that is not a long-term expectation in the West, that it's okay if we

00:39:10.300 deport Muslims that should not be here. And we ban Muslim immigration while still understanding

00:39:15.460 that we don't need to make them our eternal enemies abroad. Yeah. I mean, I'm for preserving

00:39:22.620 the demographic mix of America from 1969, the year I was born. Okay. Demographic, racial mix,

00:39:30.920 linguistic, religious. So that was an amazing country I was born into. Still amazing, much less

00:39:37.580 amazing because of demographic changes so i don't know if i could be clearer about that

00:39:41.260 the reason that i often make that point and i know that it's i mean basically the hatred of

00:39:47.740 muslims muslims whatever that means is that's like the main effect of 9-11 now what was 9-11

00:39:55.580 well we don't know because the u.s government won't declassify documents that are 25 years old

00:40:00.560 so we're kind of guessing right but about what that actually was but i know the effect of it

00:40:05.220 it had two effects one was to scare the crap out of everyone in the united states about islam as

00:40:11.860 a religion i certainly felt that way and two was to dramatically increase muslim immigration

00:40:18.980 into the united states and that was abetted by the very same people who were pushing all these

00:40:25.300 middle eastern wars so i guess i just note something very obvious which is we're getting

00:40:31.180 played okay i saw maybe the anvil it's definitely not the hammer um okay that's just a fact same in

00:40:38.400 europe who pushed for massive islamic immigration into europe and scandinavia the nordic countries

00:40:46.920 wasn't the popular it was the same people who have banned any criticism of what's happening in gaza

00:40:53.800 huh so okay that's the first thing i would note second thing i would note is that radical islam

00:41:00.980 and I spent many years traveling,

00:41:03.080 25 years traveling in the Middle East

00:41:04.540 in almost every country in the Middle East

00:41:06.260 and a lot of time there.

00:41:07.940 And radical Islam has declined as a political force.

00:41:11.180 And I'm glad, I'm really grateful.

00:41:13.480 Radicalism was a real force in Europe,

00:41:15.280 but in the actual Middle East,

00:41:17.160 maybe because all the crazies moved to Europe,

00:41:19.040 I don't know, but it's just a fact.

00:41:21.060 And there has been a concurrent rise

00:41:23.600 in religious extremism,

00:41:25.120 in political religious expression,

00:41:27.840 and it's among Jews

00:41:28.820 and it's among evangelical christians and the millennialist vision that's like this kind of

00:41:35.660 marrying your eschatology to your politics that is a phenomenon still it's a super dangerous

00:41:41.860 phenomenon and but that's going on among evangelical christians a minority of each

00:41:47.520 evangelical christians and a minority of jews but that's where religious radicalism is rising

00:41:52.440 i know this because i live here and i travel a lot so there's not an attack on anybody it's just

00:41:57.020 And the third thing is that there is clearly an effort to foment religious conflict in the United States.

00:42:06.620 And having seen religious conflict and traveled to sites of religious conflict and watched its generational effects, I don't want that here.

00:42:13.380 So I don't want anyone to come here.

00:42:15.980 Trump has not shut down immigration into this country.

00:42:18.020 In fact, it's accelerated in ways that are really destructive, which is to say through legal means, H-1Bs, refugee resettlement.

00:42:25.600 That's still ongoing.

00:42:26.580 that has not stopped in other words the demographic change of the united states is still proceeding

00:42:30.820 apace and if you tell yourself well they shut down the boards they did and god bless trump for doing

00:42:35.400 that but that doesn't mean that the replacement of the population of the united states has stopped

00:42:40.660 no it's accelerated so um legally so into that mix if you throw um encouragement to hate people

00:42:51.380 on the basis of their religion not their behavior but just their religion you're going to destroy

00:42:56.180 the country that my grandchildren, I hope, will inherit. And who is doing that? Well, it's the

00:43:01.620 same people pushing for the war with Iran, a war that has no conceivable benefit to the United

00:43:06.980 States. So I'm not, by the way, a champion of Islam at all. I'm a Christian, more so than ever,

00:43:14.580 and I mean it in a more heartfelt way than ever. And by Christian, I mean pro-Jesus. Okay, pro-Jesus.

00:43:20.240 Mike Huckabee doesn't talk a lot about Jesus because he's not allowed to or something,

00:43:23.620 but i believe in jesus and his example and i believe that jesus is the only way to god so

00:43:28.980 obviously i'm not a muslim but definition i'm not but i don't want religious conflict here and

00:43:34.780 these people a lot of not these some people are pushing for it and if you ask people i was with

00:43:41.140 an evangelical minister recently who i like who i think is smart and i said like why are you

00:43:46.700 defending mass murder in gaza like why would you defend that is this what jesus would want

00:43:51.460 and i haven't even been that involved in commenting on the gaza thing but like it's

00:43:55.560 just so obvious that that's not no christian can support that and he goes well i get it but in the

00:44:02.180 end we have the same enemies and i said who are your enemies islam i was like well they're killing

00:44:06.920 a lot of christians actually in god there are christians in gaza they're being killed too

00:44:10.320 but moreover is i mean like what just because okay i get it i don't want this to be an islamic

00:44:16.880 country at all. I'm not working for an Islamic country. I love America, period. But listen to

00:44:22.380 yourself. And he couldn't because he had been worked into this frenzy about mosques in Texas

00:44:27.960 as a way to cement his loyalty to a foreign country. And it's gotten to a point where he

00:44:36.740 refuses to criticize their massacre of children. So that's kind of what's going on. And all I'm

00:44:41.980 trying to do is tell people that's what's going on. OK, I'm sorry if you don't like to hear it.

00:44:46.880 you're being manipulated. I worked at Fox News for 15 years. I have some sense of what's going on

00:44:50.540 in the propaganda space, okay? And that's what's going on. So what they're doing, as they always

00:44:55.760 do, which is, and by they, I mean the enemies of God, of decency, of truth, of kindness toward

00:45:02.600 others, of love, what they're doing is leveraging your best instincts against you, always. Your

00:45:09.400 instinct toward hospitality has been leveraged in order to get you to support or stop complaining

00:45:13.820 about open borders your view that god's love is universal has been leveraged against you so you

00:45:20.720 can't kind of like say anything about the replacement of your ethnic group because hey

00:45:26.700 god loves everybody true but this is really dark you can't say that your care for other people is

00:45:33.440 leveraged against you in the vaccination campaign of 2021 and 2022 it was like don't you care about

00:45:40.020 your grandparents you have to take the shot which will potentially kill your children but don't you

00:45:45.220 care so this is what evil does it takes your best instincts and uses them against you that girl's so

00:45:54.260 pretty i really like girls they're so nice that's all good i love beauty i love kindness but if you

00:46:00.260 don't restrain yourself you're trying to jump her you see what i'm saying it's like your best

00:46:04.700 instincts can very easily evolve into sin and ours have and this is another example of it and

00:46:14.360 just wake up man i'm not speaking to you but like wake up and see the level of manipulation of

00:46:19.940 american society as someone who worked in the media the mainstream media for 35 years i can

00:46:26.900 tell you that's real no and of course i think a lot of that is true i think that the bush

00:46:33.180 administration after 9 11 doubling basically the number of muslims in the country is it's just

00:46:39.700 treason there's no other way to explain it it's it's just even as their war killed almost the or

00:46:44.720 displaced almost the entire christian population of iraq millions of people right and then the war

00:46:50.000 in syria displaced the ancient christian community the war now in lebanon is making it a non-christian

00:46:54.620 country it was a christian country it has a christian leader it's an arab country with a

00:46:58.620 Christian leader. Where are all these evangelicals who like are so upset about Muslims and love

00:47:04.400 Christians? What are they saying about what's happening in Lebanon right now? The one Christian

00:47:08.820 country in the entire Middle East, and it's being destroyed by Israel. And they're not saying one

00:47:12.760 word. What God are they worshiping? It's not the Christian God. Well, as a evangelical, I grew up

00:47:19.360 Southern Baptist. I read all the left behind books. You know, the dispensationalist understanding was

00:47:24.560 was there but it was never something i heard a lot of from behind the pulpit i actually heard

00:47:28.720 more of it from talk radio uh than i actually did from from the church itself but i think this is

00:47:34.080 something that's fundamentally shifting you know i'm noticing that pretty much even in the

00:47:37.820 evangelical world nobody under 40 believes this in fact increasingly no one under 50 really believes

00:47:43.480 this anymore so i think that's a problem that's going to resolve itself with time i think people

00:47:48.320 have to give christians some time to turn that ship a little bit uh you know to make that happen

00:47:53.440 i guess just in the meantime i think it's fair to say you know as as someone who's worried about

00:47:59.020 the replacement of my ethnic uh you know group that means that i probably don't want a lot of

00:48:04.160 people from the middle east moving into the united states and it's okay to say that great

00:48:08.900 and particularly from the most dysfunctional countries in africa sure and nobody wants to

00:48:14.700 say that because no one's ever been to africa except in safari i like africans actually always

00:48:19.360 have been to Africa a number of times, various parts of it. And I like Africans, but that's a

00:48:26.300 dysfunctional society. Like truly, there's nothing in the Middle East that compares to anything in

00:48:30.280 sub-Saharan Africa. I've been to both. So no one will ever voice that concern. And instead, again,

00:48:37.600 their righteous concerns about demographic change are being leveraged by people who actually don't

00:48:43.320 have their best interest in mind to steer them in a politically useful direction. And I guess I would

00:48:48.920 just take this opportunity really quick to say the marriage of religion and religion to politics

00:48:55.320 inevitably degrades hollows out and renders totally powerless the religion and it only empowers the

00:49:03.880 politics and the politicians and the unscrupulous people who do it so like jesus when he enters

00:49:08.920 jerusalem doesn't do so on a stallion but on a donkey and it's so obvious that that's why they

00:49:15.380 put palm leaves down because this was the liberation that they were expecting. But they

00:49:19.580 got a deeper liberation and an eternal liberation, the only one that matters. He's being grilled at

00:49:25.040 the end of John by the court, the Pharisees and the Sadducees. And they're like, are you the king?

00:49:31.640 Maybe Pilate who asked him and he goes, my kingdom is not here. It's in heaven. And look,

00:49:35.060 we need to remember that political change is important. It's important for Christians, but

00:49:39.920 it's not the point of the exercise the point of the exercise is to get to heaven and so anybody

00:49:47.880 who tells you that the real goal is temporal is like trying to subvert you in these preachers

00:49:55.020 i'm just shocked by their behavior i was shocked when they took money to push the poison backs on

00:49:59.860 the population i'm shocked by the uses to which they put their congregations in the service of

00:50:05.300 foreign country i'm i'm shocked by so much some of them are endorsing this war franklin graham

00:50:10.140 endorsing this war ours is a god of war what god is this is that the christian god i'm not a

00:50:17.040 theologian i just read the new testament every day what are you even talking about this is a god of

00:50:21.900 war god wants this tell me how i mean i just think it's so wrong for christian leaders to talk like

00:50:30.000 that how about we don't know that'd be i'd be fine with that but to get up there and be like no no

00:50:35.080 know this is god's war dude you don't know what you're playing with these are all people who don't

00:50:39.040 know anything anyway so they don't understand the consequences of that kind of talk we kill

00:50:42.760 their religious leader and say we're doing this in the name of ours good luck to your grandkids pal

00:50:47.660 well i think a big theme of this has been perhaps though that spirituality has returned in a very

00:50:56.120 serious way in politics some people have used the phrase return of the old gods and i think that's

00:51:01.440 probably a a good way to phrase it that whether we like it or not it feels like spiritual forces

00:51:07.120 are on the move and i know a lot of people get weird when you when you say this but i think it's

00:51:12.220 critical i don't think we can really analyze our time without recognizing that we're moving from

00:51:16.700 a moment that was dominated by the material to one that is absolutely dominated by the spiritual

00:51:22.020 across everything including in politics so how do we know the difference because we're promised

00:51:27.040 deception and it's evidence everywhere but we're promised you know that as things accelerate there

00:51:32.620 will be more deception you know wars and rumors of wars are followed by deceptions right so how

00:51:37.200 do you know what the deception is how do you know it can't just be did we vote for the same person

00:51:42.220 do you support bb do you like this war it's got to be more fundamental than that because i do think

00:51:47.700 i know for a fact that a lot of really good people better than me support things that i hate we

00:51:52.660 disagree, okay? So how do you know? And one of the markers has to be honesty. That's got to be one

00:51:59.820 of the core markers. People who are following the actual God of the universe are honest and

00:52:06.660 transparent. They're not defensive. Why would they be defensive? They're not hiding anything.

00:52:11.040 If you are hiding what you think, if you are hiding what you're doing, if you're hiding what

00:52:15.500 you intend to do, then that's not a sign that you're following God, okay? Honesty is a sign

00:52:23.260 of that. So if I ask you, like, what is this? And you yell at me and call me names without

00:52:28.060 answering the question, that's not a good sign. I mean, I think that's one way to know. It can't

00:52:32.280 just be who did you vote for in the last election or what do you think of Israel or what do you

00:52:35.780 think of the Iran war? It has to be what are you like? Are you conducting your life transparently

00:52:42.500 and honestly i i think ours is a god of honesty like if we can't agree on that

00:52:47.500 then we're just practicing different religions well tucker it's been fantastic to talk to you

00:52:53.820 i thank you so much for coming on and of course i i hope ultimately that when people are evaluating

00:53:00.120 the circumstances that we're in when they're trying to figure out who to listen to you know

00:53:05.680 is it is a joe kent is the other people what what is their veracity ultimately as you say

00:53:09.900 I think prayer and discernment is the only way to move forward in this moment of a completely fractured media environment where everyone is telling lies.

00:53:19.080 I think that getting right with God and truly seeking his wisdom is the only way to navigate this in the end.

00:53:26.840 Amen. Amen. Orrin, thank you.

00:53:29.500 Thank you so much.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - March 20, 2026

War, Israel, and Sovereignty ｜ Guest： Tucker Carlson ｜ 3⧸20⧸26

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