The Auron MacIntyre Show - Why Conservatives and Liberals Have RADICALLY Different Values

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00:00:30.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:31.740 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:34.400 I am Oren McIntyre.

00:00:37.500 Over and over again, you hear that there's someone who's more American than the actual American people.

00:00:44.840 You have the left going out there saying that illegal immigrants are really just imbued with the American values that we should ultimately be holding people up to.

00:00:54.680 Maybe it's Ukrainian soldiers who are the ones who are the real Americans.

00:00:59.980 Over and over again, the left seems to identify everyone outside of the United States as potential Americans, people who are going to be part of the American story.

00:01:09.720 And yet they look at the people in the United States as somehow untouchable, undesirable, deplorable.

00:01:16.880 And they want to go ahead and find new Americans, better Americans.

00:01:21.620 Why is this?

00:01:22.880 Why is there this different focus?

00:01:24.860 It seems like both people who are conservative and liberal share some understanding of the language, liberty, talking about community freedom.

00:01:37.100 Like these things are buzzwords that both sides throw around, but they seem to mean very different things when they're talking about them.

00:01:46.100 Today, I wanted to get into an online meme called the heat map meme that often helps us to understand this differentiation.

00:01:55.360 There's different ways we can approach this and we'll talk about all of them today.

00:01:59.080 But I think the heat map meme is one that helps people grasp the focus of what's going on.

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00:03:20.520 So one of the reasons I decided to talk about this today was over on MSNBC, we had different pundits screaming.

00:03:28.880 And of course, the left has no idea what to do right now.

00:03:31.680 They're absolutely terrified of the fact that they don't really have a response to Donald Trump.

00:03:37.040 His domination in the election, the fact that he got the mandate, the fact that he won across all possible domains, the fact that he is moving fast, he is breaking things.

00:03:47.520 They don't know what to focus on.

00:03:49.100 They don't know what the narrative should be.

00:03:50.560 They don't know how the pushback should be formulated.

00:03:53.660 These are all problems that the left is having.

00:03:55.620 And so they're just throwing out absolutely everything, hoping that something sticks.

00:03:59.180 Much of it is failing.

00:04:00.320 And we got one of these classic discussions, one that went exactly the way that I kind of described earlier, where this host was talking to a pundit who said, well, Ukrainians are actually much better Americans at the end of the day.

00:04:13.040 Yes.

00:04:13.360 We just heard you say Donald Trump is not standing up for Ukraine.

00:04:18.820 What do you say to the person who says, well, I don't care about Ukraine.

00:04:21.780 I want Donald Trump to stand up for America.

00:04:23.860 What do you say to them?

00:04:25.140 I don't know where you got that.

00:04:26.520 I mean, I don't have time for it.

00:04:28.400 Yes, but we hear it.

00:04:29.200 We hear it.

00:04:30.320 I don't have time for it, as if that's any kind of response.

00:04:34.780 Oh, I elected the leader of the United States so that they could stand up for the United States.

00:04:41.240 Oh, I don't have time for that.

00:04:42.420 Well, it's probably time to make time, because guess what?

00:04:46.660 That argument won at the ballot box.

00:04:49.160 No matter how you feel about democracy, if this is the system that you are ascribing to your success,

00:04:55.700 it's the one that you think that ultimately is what should be running the United States.

00:05:00.040 Well, then, what can you say here, right?

00:05:03.660 Like, he lost, or rather, you lost, he won.

00:05:07.140 The argument that we should not care about the United States, that we should not prioritize it, that is not working right now.

00:05:14.100 So, you better think of something else.

00:05:15.960 You better start addressing it.

00:05:17.180 Here's the thing.

00:05:18.440 Where did you grow up?

00:05:19.660 Did you grow up in a place where you thought the Russians were the good guys?

00:05:22.200 What part of America did you grow up in where they taught you the Russians were the good guys and our allies were the bad guys?

00:05:27.860 That's the flip here that we need to continue to remind people.

00:05:30.560 The Russians are the bad guys.

00:05:31.700 So, the left never believed this, right?

00:05:34.200 Like, that was the whole point about the Cold War and the opposition of the left, is they were pretty buddy-buddy with the communists.

00:05:41.820 They didn't think that Russia were the bad guys.

00:05:44.500 They made fun of people who thought that Russia were the bad guys.

00:05:48.040 Remember Barack Obama telling that hilarious joke about Mitt Romney and the fact that, oh, you think Russia is a really important problem?

00:05:57.360 You think we need to focus on that?

00:05:58.580 That 1990s would like their foreign policy back, right?

00:06:01.560 Like, that was Barack Obama's very successful joke at the time.

00:06:06.260 This is something that the left has never believed.

00:06:08.800 They never believed that Russia was a real threat up until Vladimir Putin started, I guess, making noise.

00:06:14.600 That was kind of their core identifying point.

00:06:17.680 But now, all of a sudden, it's very important for us to remember this thing that the left never believed.

00:06:22.520 They're raping women.

00:06:23.380 They're killing children.

00:06:24.200 They're bombing cities.

00:06:25.320 The Ukrainians are the noble good guys.

00:06:26.960 Now, again, I don't think that Vladimir Putin ultimately is a good guy.

00:06:34.460 Like, I'm not here to argue the merits of the warfare.

00:06:39.380 That's absolutely not the point here.

00:06:41.580 The point is that the United States has its own interests.

00:06:44.820 And no matter what terrible things Russia is or is not doing, it's not the United States' job to constantly go around and make the decision on who is the just person in every war.

00:06:57.460 OK, there are all kinds of conflicts around the world, as we're seeing in places like Syria right now.

00:07:03.800 Oftentimes, you know, or Libya, the American response trying to topple governments makes the situation much worse than it had been before.

00:07:12.380 So, actually, whether Vladimir Putin's a good or a bad guy, that's really immaterial to the question of, is it our job to go in and fight a war against Russia on Ukraine's behalf?

00:07:24.660 We're more American than we are over the last couple of years.

00:07:27.660 And we must stand with them in the same way we stood with the allies in World War II and since this country was founded.

00:07:32.520 This is not.

00:07:32.860 So, the Ukrainians are the real Americans.

00:07:36.980 They're much more American than you.

00:07:39.360 You might have been here your entire life.

00:07:42.200 You might have family that's been here for many generations.

00:07:45.600 You might have been here since the founding.

00:07:48.100 But remember, Ukrainians are more American than you.

00:07:51.220 Why?

00:07:52.500 Is there something explained there as to what makes Ukrainians more American?

00:07:59.120 What is an American?

00:08:00.220 No.

00:08:01.360 Being an American is believing in this guy's globalist foreign policy.

00:08:06.600 Being an American is believing in a global empire that is supposed to run around and involve itself in every conflict that the left decides is worth their time.

00:08:16.800 And to be clear, there was a time in which the left opposed some of these conflicts, right?

00:08:21.540 But ultimately, the Uniparty has won.

00:08:24.260 The regime has won, right?

00:08:27.400 That's what they want.

00:08:28.300 And now, because there are people on the right who are successfully doing the things the left pretended to care about for a long time, like saying maybe we shouldn't go to war all the time, maybe we should be focusing on domestic policy, what's best for the United States, the problems that are facing us now.

00:08:44.060 Because the right is doing this, because the right is doing this, and the left is not.

00:08:48.320 Now, those things are evil.

00:08:49.760 Asking those questions are evil.

00:08:51.000 Now, it's un-American.

00:08:52.620 They have exactly the same rhetoric that a cartoon of Ronald Reagan and his administration would have had in the 80s, right?

00:09:04.760 This is exactly the kind of thing that they make fun of Republicans for theoretically having said.

00:09:11.320 You could go back and watch Aaron Sorkin shows, right?

00:09:14.300 And, like, he would use some of this language.

00:09:17.820 And yet, now, all of a sudden, this is evil.

00:09:21.260 It's evil to believe that the United States should focus on its own interests.

00:09:25.080 And the Ukrainians, who have nothing to do with America, don't give a crap about America, they're the real Americans.

00:09:32.220 They're the real Americans.

00:09:33.000 Now, again, I'm not bagging on any Ukrainian.

00:09:36.200 There are many very brave Ukrainian men currently doing their absolute best in what is very evidently an unwinnable war.

00:09:44.640 They are very brave.

00:09:45.900 It is very noble to put your life on the line for a cause like this, even if, ultimately, it might be doomed.

00:09:52.160 Like, there's a high degree of bravery in that.

00:09:55.280 I'm not discounting any of it.

00:09:57.560 But, ultimately, that is not what defines America.

00:10:01.340 It has nothing to do with being American.

00:10:04.040 But, of course, this pundit says, well, yeah, obviously, they're more American than you are.

00:10:10.720 They've been way more American than the United States.

00:10:13.640 Because, ultimately, America is defined by following the global empire, by constantly fueling the war machine, by constantly working on behalf and advancing foreign interests.

00:10:25.880 That's actually what America is all about.

00:10:29.260 Now, like I said, this meme here is going to be pretty critical to what we're talking about.

00:10:35.660 For those that are unfamiliar, this is called the heat map meme.

00:10:38.580 And if you're just listening, don't worry.

00:10:43.700 I will explain in more detail.

00:10:45.360 So, for those who are unfamiliar, the heat map meme is a picture of a study.

00:10:52.060 And this was a real study.

00:10:53.600 I'll leave you to look at the veracity of the study.

00:10:56.360 You know, it's social science.

00:10:58.060 Everyone, you know, the methodology, everyone will complain about everything.

00:11:01.380 I complain about the methodology of social studies.

00:11:04.800 So, please, ultimately, I'm only really discussing this because it's the meme.

00:11:09.720 I think this is just an observable phenomenon, right?

00:11:12.300 The study is great if it confirms what is true.

00:11:16.080 But, ultimately, this is just an observable phenomenon that anyone who has looked at liberals and conservatives can easily identify.

00:11:23.660 And so, that's why we're ultimately discussing it, not because the social science gives it this insane veracity that, you know, we're entirely banking on this one study.

00:11:33.560 It just reflects a truth that we already know.

00:11:36.480 And in that sense, it's helpful.

00:11:37.900 So, what is the heat map meme?

00:11:39.140 Again, for those who are just listening, what we have here is a circle.

00:11:43.180 It looks kind of like a target at a range or something like that.

00:11:46.300 And the circles widen out.

00:11:49.120 So, you've got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, all the way out to, I think, like 16 or 20.

00:11:55.720 And each degree is getting further and further away from the center, right?

00:12:02.460 The general gathering of what people care about.

00:12:07.420 So, at the very center, it's the things closest to you.

00:12:10.740 So, like a 1 would be all of your immediate family.

00:12:14.960 Like the 1 on this circle would be your immediate family.

00:12:17.800 A 2 would be your extended family.

00:12:20.400 So, aunts and uncles and cousins and nephews and nieces.

00:12:24.280 A 3 would be like your really close friends, your best friends.

00:12:27.240 So, you got immediate family.

00:12:28.980 Like this is my wife.

00:12:30.080 This is my child.

00:12:31.820 You've got extended family.

00:12:34.180 This is my aunt.

00:12:35.080 This is my uncle.

00:12:35.960 This is my niece.

00:12:37.060 You got 3 of my closest friends, right?

00:12:39.360 Like these are my best friends, the people who are very reliable.

00:12:42.340 A 4 would be all of your friends.

00:12:44.540 A 5 would be acquaintances.

00:12:47.680 6 would be people that you have ever met.

00:12:50.880 7 are people in your country.

00:12:53.220 8 are all the people on the continent.

00:12:55.660 9 are all the people in all continents.

00:12:58.960 10 are all mammals.

00:13:00.340 11 is all amphibians, birds, fish.

00:13:03.820 12 are all animals on Earth, even including things like amoebas.

00:13:09.500 You get out to 15, 16, we start dealing with like rocks, all substances in the universe.

00:13:15.880 You get the idea.

00:13:17.020 Very close to the center of these circles, these concentric circles, are your most close relations.

00:13:24.000 The things that you interact with every single day, the people who you traditionally would value very highly.

00:13:30.340 And then at the edges are like abstract things that you've never really interacted with, that you wouldn't think of as normally holding value if you're conservative.

00:13:40.260 However, what we see on these circles is a heat map.

00:13:44.620 And the heat map, people who did this study were asked, I think they were given like 100 points of social care.

00:13:49.980 Where would you allocate the social care, right?

00:13:52.600 If you're looking at a 1, which is like your immediate family, and you're looking at like a 16 or 17, which is like all matter that exists in the universe, where do you place your care?

00:14:03.520 What are the things that you care about the most?

00:14:06.560 Now, some people will look at liberals and conservatives and they say, well, liberals care about more people, right?

00:14:14.280 That's what makes them liberal.

00:14:15.280 They're open.

00:14:16.060 They're open to, you know, changes in society.

00:14:18.720 They're open to the stranger.

00:14:20.160 That's kind of their MO.

00:14:23.920 That's what defines them, right?

00:14:25.660 So they say, well, liberals care more.

00:14:27.880 Or they might look at conservatives and say, look, they care deeply about family and friends and community.

00:14:32.880 They spend more time investing those things.

00:14:35.300 They give more to charity.

00:14:36.760 They must care more.

00:14:38.180 Now, in the study, again.

00:14:40.020 When I found out my friend got a great deal on a designer dress from Winners, I started wondering, is every fabulous item I see from Winners?

00:14:49.400 Like that woman over there with the Italian leather handbag.

00:14:52.500 Is that from Winners?

00:14:53.700 Ooh, or that beautiful silk skirt.

00:14:56.220 Did she pay full price?

00:14:57.460 Or those suede sneakers?

00:14:59.040 Or that luggage?

00:15:00.120 Or that trench?

00:15:01.280 Those jeans?

00:15:01.960 That jacket?

00:15:02.680 Those heels?

00:15:03.300 Is anyone paying full price for anything?

00:15:06.540 Stop wondering.

00:15:07.820 Start winning.

00:15:08.720 Winners find fabulous for less.

00:15:11.300 Take what you will from the actual, you know, the methodology of the study.

00:15:16.080 But in the study, what the people doing it found was not that liberals care more necessarily or that conservatives care more.

00:15:26.060 It's not about one group caring more, caring less.

00:15:28.560 They generally had about the same level of care.

00:15:31.020 The question was focus.

00:15:33.280 It was emphasis.

00:15:34.560 So as you can see in the diagram, there's the heat map closest to you.

00:15:40.860 The ones closest to the center of conservatives on the left side, which I guess is a little confusing for some people.

00:15:47.580 But on the left side, that heat map that has everything closest to, that is conservatives.

00:15:53.860 And in the heat map on the right, we see that the focus is out towards the edges.

00:16:02.160 This is the liberal, right?

00:16:03.900 So they both have roughly the same amount of care.

00:16:06.780 But the conservative allocates the majority of their care points closest to home, closest to one, two, three, four, right?

00:16:16.600 Like closest to here's my family, my immediate family, my extended family, my friends, my best friends, my general friends, some acquaintances.

00:16:26.700 And then they start dropping off very, very quickly.

00:16:29.260 The care drops off very quickly once you get outside of like the immediate people I know, people I can actually care about, people that I can actually impact.

00:16:39.640 That's where the conservative focus lies.

00:16:43.400 On the liberal side, there's very little care comparatively early on.

00:16:48.960 The care for immediate family, immediate friends, closest friends, that tends to be less the concentration.

00:16:56.360 The concentration for liberals tends to be much further out.

00:17:00.280 All the people on the continent, all the people in the world, all the animals, even like rocks and things, right?

00:17:06.840 This team tends to be where that focus exists.

00:17:11.880 So at the core of a liberal and conservative divide in many ways is this difference in focus.

00:17:21.300 Again, not that they don't care.

00:17:23.420 It's not that the conservatives don't care about animals.

00:17:27.600 And it's not that the liberal never cares about family.

00:17:30.740 But the emphasis, the focus is very, very different.

00:17:34.620 We see that the conservatives continue to think along what we would call probably traditional lines, right?

00:17:41.260 When you're in a very traditional society, your day-to-day existence is heavily dependent on the people closest to you.

00:17:49.600 You have to be very caring and very in tune with your family, with your friends, with your immediate community and acquaintances.

00:17:57.940 If you don't maintain those relationships, if you don't value those relationships, if you don't make yourself intimately aware with all the details and critical aspects of those relationships, then you will fail in a traditional society.

00:18:11.780 Because they're so tribal, they're so tightly knit, they're so reliant on those classic social bonds that you have to care about those aspects of life.

00:18:24.380 And conservatives tend to be the people who have maintained that allegiance to what is closest to them.

00:18:30.520 They have not zoomed out.

00:18:33.100 They have not expanded their range widely.

00:18:37.320 It doesn't mean that they don't care about those things.

00:18:40.900 Again, it's not one side cares and the other side doesn't care.

00:18:44.480 But their focus is much closer.

00:18:47.400 Now, the liberal has fallen much more into the pattern of what liberalism actually does, right?

00:18:54.240 One of the things that liberalism does is it helps to expand your range of interaction because social interaction is particular naturally to human beings.

00:19:08.360 We learn how to relate to other people by sharing customs, sharing traditions, sharing religion, heritage, language, ways we can communicate, ways that we can even buy and sell from each other are defined early on by our proximity to others, right?

00:19:28.700 So that is what the focus is for most people.

00:19:31.780 That's how most traditional societies have been arranged.

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00:20:02.640 Now, the good and bad side of liberalism is it opens up those possibilities, right?

00:20:13.900 It reduces the barriers of existential conflict that tend to exist in non-liberal societies.

00:20:22.640 If my society is not liberal, if my society is focused on these more classic values and more focused on caring for these more classic family-centric or tribe-centric models of society,

00:20:38.840 I have a hard time interacting with those outside, right?

00:20:43.320 Because I'm focused on my home, my community, my religion, the things that make me me, that make my cultural particular.

00:20:52.240 I adopt those folkways.

00:20:54.220 I adopt those understandings.

00:20:56.580 That's what defines me as a person when I tend to be traditional and conservative.

00:21:00.180 When you become more liberal, when you're opening up these avenues to other places, the good news is you have like a share, you try to create this like minimum shared value system.

00:21:11.780 You try to like get a universal language, universal currency.

00:21:16.400 You even try to universalize time, right?

00:21:18.500 You create these time zones so that you can synchronize different aspects.

00:21:22.200 Don't get me wrong, like certain aspects of the liberal project are critical to operating in a global setting.

00:21:29.300 Now, you can decide whether you think operating in a global setting is good or bad, but that's just true.

00:21:34.140 Like liberalism and globalism are synonymous.

00:21:36.680 They need to be the same thing.

00:21:38.240 They share many of the same aspects.

00:21:40.600 And so the liberal has to open up their kind of moral vision beyond the traditional tribe, family, community.

00:21:50.500 And they need to open it up so that they can care about these other spheres.

00:21:55.140 Because if they're only focused on these classical, traditional, you know, particular spheres, then they won't be able to interact at this wider level.

00:22:05.460 The upside is there's a lot of economic gain for accessing these wider levels of interaction and cooperation, right?

00:22:14.100 These levels of abstraction socially are valuable for allowing that kind of communication that allows that kind of trade.

00:22:22.080 It even, and I'll give it credit where it's due, it even changes the aspects of war, right?

00:22:28.360 Now, it means that we probably get less conflicts that are existential on like a lower level.

00:22:35.000 However, what we've seen from liberalism is that when the conflicts get existential, they get very existential.

00:22:40.400 So you probably have fewer conflicts when it comes to like religion or direct, minute cultural differences.

00:22:47.820 However, when we get to the large scale ideological conflicts, Nazism, communism, liberal democracy, those can get very, very violent, right?

00:22:58.460 They can, you can literally see entire genocides that are attached to them, fire bombings of civilians, all kinds of stuff that are just horrific compared to other types of war.

00:23:10.660 So the good news for liberalism is it reduces like imminent military conflict between close cultures.

00:23:17.040 It allows for a higher degree of operation.

00:23:18.740 It opens up economic avenues of cooperation.

00:23:22.340 However, it should to do in order to do this, right?

00:23:26.020 In order to create this miracle of scale, it has to ship your center of focus.

00:23:31.820 It has to shift your emotional, moral understanding of the world.

00:23:36.680 So that's why the more liberal someone is, the more likely they are to move from the center of the heat map out into the edges.

00:23:44.820 Because in order to operate, to truly imbibe and believe in the liberal ideology, one has to stop worrying so much about family, has to stop worrying so much about friends, has to stop worrying so much about the country, right?

00:24:00.600 If you're going to shift your focus, if you're going to fundamentally shift your value system so that you can cooperate with, communicate with, all of these foreign cultures, all of these outside influences, you necessarily must discard your preference for your own.

00:24:18.420 So this is the great trade-off that we don't want to admit, but it's very real.

00:24:24.220 There is a serious problem in the heart of our ideology, and this is both for conservatives and liberals, because there are a lot of conservatives who have a similar problem.

00:24:34.360 There are plenty of people who are employed as conservative pundits who have a much easier time rooting for foreign countries than they do for the United States, who are much more comfortable defending the interests of foreign peoples than they are the United States.

00:24:49.660 It's not just people who wear Democrat on their lapel pin, okay?

00:24:55.300 There are people who are conservatives, theoretically, who have a very hard time advocating for the interests of Americans, but easily continue to lobby on behalf of, say, Ukrainians, right?

00:25:09.760 This is not just entirely left-wing, though we can see the more it's agitated, the more extreme it becomes, the more left-wing it becomes.

00:25:19.660 The heat map gets more and more extreme as you become more liberal.

00:25:23.460 So if you want to care about the people in your life, you're probably going to be more conservative.

00:25:30.980 If you want to care about people abstractly in the sense of humanity, a wider value proposition, then you're probably going to be liberal.

00:25:40.800 Now, we see this phenomenon also rise up in what we call telescopic philanthropy.

00:25:46.380 This has become a very popular term here recently, I believe it was originally coined by Charles Dickens.

00:25:54.520 But telescopic philanthropy is the idea that you're going to be philanthropic, right?

00:26:01.420 You're going to care.

00:26:02.520 You're going to do good things on behalf of others.

00:26:06.000 But rather than do it in the traditional method, where you care for your community, where you care for your neighbor, where you care for those around you, you are going to focus only on problems far away.

00:26:19.220 Telescopic philanthropy, something I need to zoom in on far away.

00:26:23.040 Now, why would you do this, right?

00:26:24.500 Why would you try to do good for people specifically further away than you?

00:26:30.400 Well, a couple of reasons.

00:26:32.200 One, in a liberal paradigm, it really signals your superiority, right?

00:26:38.520 I don't care about myself.

00:26:40.680 And by extension, I don't care about the people around me.

00:26:44.340 But I care about this theoretical person.

00:26:47.620 Somewhere in Africa, someone is starving.

00:26:50.620 I don't know them.

00:26:52.080 I don't pass by them day to day.

00:26:54.320 But because I care about them and you don't, I am morally superior to you.

00:27:00.700 You're over here caring about all your traditional things, all your conservative things, family, friends, community, church.

00:27:09.400 But I, the superior liberal, am thinking about all these people I don't see and I don't know.

00:27:15.920 And that makes me a better person because I have so much care.

00:27:19.560 I have so much feeling.

00:27:20.440 I have so much virtue that I spend all of it overseas with people I've never even seen before because ultimately I care about humanity.

00:27:30.400 I care about this abstract principle of right and wrong as where you only care about these small, particular people, these really pedestrian, you know, these really prudential concerns.

00:27:45.120 That's where you focus.

00:27:46.740 But me, being the superior globalist liberal, I focus on the well-being of humanity.

00:27:52.040 And that's ultimately really what's important.

00:27:55.960 Now, obviously, there's a couple problems with this.

00:28:00.000 One, the reason that it is so much easier to do the telescopic philanthropy, the reason that guys like Dickens were pointing out the problem with this, is that the telescopic philanthropy doesn't deal with the people next to you.

00:28:13.540 And it's much easier to love people you don't have to see, because I don't know if you guys know this, but people are flawed, like really flawed.

00:28:24.920 By the way, I'm one of those people, right?

00:28:27.880 Like, I'm deeply flawed.

00:28:29.300 I am saved by the grace of Jesus Christ and nothing else, nothing of my own.

00:28:36.580 I, like everyone else, am deeply flawed.

00:28:39.340 And I, like everyone else, can find it very frustrating to have to care about people next to me.

00:28:45.180 Because guess what?

00:28:46.080 People next to me don't just get a check.

00:28:48.160 Maybe they, you know, they, they do get a check if they need it, if they need that help, but they don't just get a check.

00:28:54.380 People around me are going to want time.

00:28:57.980 They're going to want personal sacrifice, not just a theoretical percentage of dollars that I had the government steal from someone else.

00:29:06.500 But they're going to want actual time in the room.

00:29:09.560 I'm going to have to talk to them.

00:29:12.120 I'm going to have to look at them.

00:29:14.960 I'm going to have to hear their concerns.

00:29:17.000 And, most difficultly, I'm going to have to deal with their bad moods or their failures, their personal foibles, all on my own.

00:29:27.020 When there's just a check I write and it goes out to somewhere in Africa, that's someone else's problem.

00:29:32.060 I'm already a good person.

00:29:33.320 I wrote the check.

00:29:34.780 Or even worse, the most, you know, the worst version of liberalism.

00:29:38.640 Someone else wrote the check.

00:29:39.820 I had the government steal it from them.

00:29:41.380 But I was the one who advocated for it.

00:29:43.520 So, ultimately, I'm the good person, right?

00:29:46.280 Because I did the thing.

00:29:48.580 But a more conservative version of philanthropy requires you to actually care about your neighbor.

00:29:55.980 Not in a loose theoretical sense, but the actual sense.

00:30:00.320 And this is what frustrates me so much about kind of the current Christian discourse that is occurring in many different sectors online.

00:30:08.440 Because a lot of Christians are very, very big on telescopic philanthropy, especially liberal Christians.

00:30:16.500 It's their job to send theoretical dollars out into the theoretical world to save theoretical people.

00:30:23.900 But they hate the person next to them.

00:30:27.240 Yeah, somewhere, some kid I've never met in Africa is starving.

00:30:31.440 But the kid next to me, the one that votes different, their parents vote different from me, I don't care about that kid.

00:30:36.700 I care about the kid in Africa.

00:30:38.020 But the kid here with the parents that vote differently from me, screw that kid.

00:30:42.400 I don't care about that kid.

00:30:43.940 That kid's got problems.

00:30:45.240 They're ugly.

00:30:45.860 My heat map is much further out there because I'm a good liberal.

00:30:50.600 And so I care about that theoretical kid in Africa, but not the person next to me.

00:30:54.400 And we see this on a regular basis.

00:30:56.060 We have guys like Phil Vischer, the guy who invented VeggieTales, which I loved as a kid.

00:31:01.100 But he's out there saying, oh, well, because the Trump administration got rid of USAID, there's all these kids starving in Africa, right?

00:31:11.300 Now, what he means is, I'm not going to pay money to save those kids.

00:31:16.200 Like, I'm not going to do it.

00:31:18.020 But you should be forced to do it at gunpoint.

00:31:20.440 The government should take your money under the penalty of imprisoning you or shooting you.

00:31:25.600 And then they should spend that money on kids that you've never seen and I've never seen.

00:31:29.780 Now, I want to be clear.

00:31:30.820 That doesn't mean that the African child is not made in the image of the God.

00:31:34.640 It doesn't mean that they aren't inherently valuable human beings.

00:31:38.220 But the great thing about God is that he has infinite compassion and infinite ability to act on that compassion.

00:31:45.900 And the terrible thing about humans is that we are limited and small and fallen and sinful.

00:31:51.720 Now, the good news is that God helps us to transcend that.

00:31:55.140 But ultimately, we are still limited in our material and emotional output.

00:32:00.020 We cannot, for better or for worse, constantly care about everyone across the world and constantly act in their interests.

00:32:07.900 If for no other reason than they have significant and competing interests.

00:32:12.360 So the heat map really comes into play, for instance, when we talk about the difference between compassion and caring for our neighbor, right?

00:32:20.560 The conservative says, I care for my neighbor.

00:32:23.360 And then they look outside their door and they can see their neighbor.

00:32:26.820 And their neighbor lives in their neighborhood.

00:32:29.220 And their neighbor has children in that neighborhood.

00:32:31.460 And they know that if this neighborhood becomes expensive, if this neighborhood becomes run down, if this neighborhood becomes crime ridden, if this neighborhood becomes unsafe, it becomes impossible for neighbors to communicate because they don't speak the same language.

00:32:46.260 Then the quality of life for their actual neighbor, the real neighbor that they can see outside their door will go down.

00:32:53.720 The quality of life for the children of that neighbor will go down.

00:32:57.220 And so the question, when they look and say, how can I love my neighbor?

00:33:04.260 If I'm acting politically and I want to love my neighbor, what's the best way to love my neighbor?

00:33:09.780 Well, making sure that my neighbor's children are safe, that my neighbor is safe, that we live in a community that is not run down, that we live in an area where everyone speaks the same language, can communicate, can make sure that crime isn't going on.

00:33:25.460 And that's how I help my neighbor.

00:33:27.540 I keep sex trafficking out of my neighborhood.

00:33:30.360 I keep drugs out of my neighborhood.

00:33:32.520 That's how I actually help my real neighbor.

00:33:36.560 The leftist says, oh, my neighbor is everyone.

00:33:40.920 And therefore, I don't have to care about my actual neighbor.

00:33:45.600 I'm caring for my neighbor in the sense of bringing these foreign groups in, right?

00:33:50.820 Illegal immigrants, Ukrainian soldiers, they're real Americans.

00:33:55.460 I can bring them in, right?

00:33:56.940 They're my neighbor in some abstract sense.

00:34:00.120 So I can bring them in.

00:34:01.800 And it doesn't matter what they do to my actual neighbor because my heat map says those people out there are more valuable than the people next to me.

00:34:09.860 The person outside my door is less valuable.

00:34:14.060 The real neighbor I have is less valuable than a theoretical neighbor who could come in across the border illegally.

00:34:20.100 But I could welcome them.

00:34:21.400 I could be the person helping them out.

00:34:23.580 Now, again, that doesn't mean that the Bible doesn't tell us to be kind to the stranger.

00:34:29.000 Obviously, the parable of the Good Samaritan is teaching us that we should be treating people well.

00:34:37.620 But ultimately, we recognize that we have to start with the people next to us.

00:34:43.680 We have a priority.

00:34:45.600 We have to work ourselves out from.

00:34:47.280 The Bible is very clear.

00:34:48.220 If you can't take care of your own household, then the good you do for others obviously is not the same because you're sacrificing your own household.

00:34:57.900 You can't take care of your own household, but you expect to be entrusted with responsibility for people outside of it.

00:35:04.000 That's not how it's supposed to work.

00:35:05.720 You take care of the things closest to you, and then you work yourself out, not the other way around.

00:35:11.060 And this desire for liberals to expand their heat map, to center their concern around others, has pretty predictable ramifications.

00:35:27.760 It comes with a loss of community and identity because community and identity are particular.

00:35:34.120 If you're going to take care of and hold together a civilization, you have to care about the things that those people value.

00:35:41.220 You have to care about the way that they interact.

00:35:43.740 You have to care about how they live their lives.

00:35:46.320 And that means you need to have some understanding, some continuity when it comes to your culture, to your traditions, to your identity.

00:35:54.060 Without a continuity of those things, you cannot understand the way in which to serve your neighbor best.

00:36:02.000 I cannot know the condition of my neighbor unless I know the way in which my neighbor lives.

00:36:07.460 I cannot know the way in which my neighbor lives unless we share a moral understanding, a moral vision of what the good is.

00:36:15.900 What does a good civilization look like?

00:36:17.940 What does a good community look like?

00:36:19.440 What does a good family look like?

00:36:21.960 We have to share these outlooks.

00:36:24.060 And I'm sorry, but these don't look the same between Muslim families and Hindu families and Christian families.

00:36:33.120 Excuse me.

00:36:34.160 They simply do not look the same.

00:36:37.000 So there's some overlap, but it's not always the same.

00:36:43.120 And so that means that we have to have awareness of particularity.

00:36:48.040 We cannot be universalists and still understand the quality of the life of the people next to us.

00:36:55.100 We are limited human beings.

00:36:57.020 God can care for everyone.

00:36:58.980 He can care for the insold aspect of every single person.

00:37:02.600 And to the extent that we are brought in contact with those people, we should care, too.

00:37:08.420 But we were not designed to abstractly care about the entire globe.

00:37:12.480 And so the liberal heat map, even though we care the same, right, is ultimately going to destroy your society because their focus is too far away.

00:37:22.940 It's too telescopic.

00:37:24.360 It ignores what's right next to them in the hopes of bettering that which is not near them.

00:37:28.220 And it brings that which is not near them into the people next to them, often with dire consequences.

00:37:34.200 It leads us to a situation like the one I want to bring up here.

00:37:38.880 This is a video from Jubilee Media.

00:37:42.340 They're always on your YouTube clickbait.

00:37:44.380 They're the ones who, like, bring people together from different lifestyles to talk about it.

00:37:49.280 Everything is usually very staged.

00:37:51.260 However, this was a very interesting interaction between Sam Seder, who is a progressive, you know, leftist kind of talking head, and a young woman who I was not familiar with.

00:38:02.460 I think she works for a conservative media company now.

00:38:05.900 But this was a very interesting exchange.

00:38:08.080 It's starting to make its rounds on social media.

00:38:10.340 Let me play it for you real quick.

00:38:11.980 Xenophobic nationalism.

00:38:13.000 Don't you think that's better?

00:38:14.560 What's the problem with xenophobic nationalism?

00:38:16.480 Don't you think that's better for Americans in general?

00:38:18.440 To be xenophobic nationalism is better?

00:38:21.340 We should have a coherent culture.

00:38:23.280 Everyone should be a part of the same culture.

00:38:24.720 We should have assimilation.

00:38:26.280 Do you get to choose what the culture is?

00:38:29.140 All right.

00:38:29.540 So Sam Seder does all of the classic moves here.

00:38:33.220 So we'll break them down a bit.

00:38:35.040 So first she says, isn't xenophobic, because this is a clip out of a larger conversation, isn't xenophobic nationalism ultimately better for the American people?

00:38:46.140 Now, I wouldn't have chosen the word xenophobic there.

00:38:48.740 I wouldn't have embraced that.

00:38:49.820 But her point is that the United States should be a specific people and that it should favor those people.

00:38:56.140 It should favor the people close to them.

00:38:58.160 It should have a conservative heat map.

00:38:59.780 The people closest to me are the ones I value.

00:39:02.620 They're the ones that I identify with more.

00:39:04.640 That doesn't mean I don't care about anyone else.

00:39:06.480 But my priority is improving, caring about, understanding those near me, my family, my friends, my community, my church.

00:39:15.820 Not so much, you know, how a rock feels, how a whale feels.

00:39:20.360 Again, I'm for conservation.

00:39:22.520 It doesn't mean we don't care about the environment.

00:39:24.360 It doesn't mean we don't care about these things.

00:39:26.060 But if you're asking me what should we prioritize, shouldn't America have its own culture?

00:39:32.540 Shouldn't people who come to America, and you'll see this throughout, she never says people can't come to America.

00:39:37.920 She doesn't even say people can't assimilate.

00:39:39.680 She just says there should be an American culture that we acknowledge, and people should assimilate to that culture.

00:39:46.000 We already have a dominant culture.

00:39:48.600 What is the dominant culture?

00:39:50.060 Based on European and Christian values and identity.

00:39:52.520 That is the dominant culture.

00:39:53.380 White Christian.

00:39:53.920 It's rooted in European identity.

00:39:55.860 White, so your argument is that-

00:39:58.280 That has been the dominant culture.

00:39:59.900 Just to be clear.

00:40:00.480 And we're not letting people assimilate to that.

00:40:02.480 We're saying you should keep your culture, and this is why our culture is so-

00:40:05.120 So he asked what culture?

00:40:07.340 Who decides what culture?

00:40:08.620 Now, the funny thing is that there's always this beautiful liberal abstraction, right?

00:40:14.240 Who decides the culture?

00:40:15.720 The answer is nobody decided the culture, Sam.

00:40:18.960 The culture is there.

00:40:20.420 You are not-

00:40:21.960 The problem with liberalism is always that it relies on this abstract thought experiment.

00:40:29.220 You're in the state of nature, and you're deciding how to build a society.

00:40:34.380 You're in this original position, this Rawlsian abstraction, and you're deciding what would be the best thing, even if you don't know your position inside of it.

00:40:43.580 But it's always an abstraction.

00:40:45.920 That's not how anyone lives their life.

00:40:48.580 No one chose the culture.

00:40:51.440 The culture was chosen because it was the culture of the people who founded the country.

00:40:56.160 Now, you can feel how you want about assimilation after that.

00:40:59.820 You can say every single person who ever crossed into the border of the United States is American.

00:41:05.340 I don't think that's the case.

00:41:06.740 But if you believe that, you could still acknowledge the fact that the country was founded by a particular set of people.

00:41:15.420 They hate the people it was founded by, right?

00:41:18.900 We have to tell the stories of how terrible European settlers are, how evil Puritans or Christians or whoever.

00:41:25.460 They're all terrible people.

00:41:26.940 But even the left used to acknowledge that at least the culture was founded on these things, right?

00:41:31.440 But Sam is playing the shell game, okay?

00:41:33.740 I got a feeling.

00:41:34.660 I don't have immediate evidence.

00:41:36.840 I'm not here to play the other clip.

00:41:39.060 But I got a feeling I wouldn't have to look too hard to find Sam talking about the evils of the people who originated the United States.

00:41:47.020 Again, I could be wrong.

00:41:48.240 And if I am, sorry.

00:41:49.500 But I got a feeling that's the case.

00:41:50.980 I don't think you'd have to dig too far to find that, right?

00:41:55.600 But here he pretends to not know.

00:41:57.300 Oh, where did the culture come from?

00:41:59.780 Who gets to choose?

00:42:01.160 Did it just appear out of nowhere?

00:42:03.180 Now, of course, this young woman says, no.

00:42:05.740 Like, we have an obvious culture.

00:42:07.760 It came from Europe, specifically it was Anglo, and Christian, specifically it was Protestant.

00:42:14.600 That doesn't mean that everyone who comes to the United States has to be Anglo or Protestant.

00:42:21.440 It doesn't even mean, ultimately, that everyone has to be Christian, though you really should be.

00:42:25.940 Jesus is the actual only way to heaven.

00:42:28.720 He's the only way to salvation.

00:42:30.200 He's the only way to spiritual peace.

00:42:33.000 But that is the culture.

00:42:35.980 That is where the culture came from.

00:42:37.400 No one chose it.

00:42:38.440 No one got into this abstract vehicle and picked the best culture.

00:42:43.920 This is the one that founded the United States.

00:42:45.940 If you like the results, that's where it came from.

00:42:49.600 Your argument is that Trump is good for those who want a dominant white European culture.

00:42:56.660 So, if our culture came from our ancestors, which is, that's how culture works.

00:43:06.400 Sorry.

00:43:07.060 Like, tough.

00:43:08.740 Like, be as angry.

00:43:10.200 Get as angry as you want.

00:43:12.040 Make all the funny faces you want.

00:43:13.220 That's the best part about these videos, right?

00:43:14.760 It's like all the cutaways to all the other people in the room acting embarrassed or shocked.

00:43:18.920 Oh, how could you say that?

00:43:20.540 Uh, yeah.

00:43:21.500 Sorry.

00:43:22.180 Culture is not, uh, it's not a priori.

00:43:25.460 It doesn't come out of nothing.

00:43:27.140 It doesn't come before everything.

00:43:29.600 It actually is rooted in something.

00:43:31.840 It has an origin.

00:43:32.900 And that origin is our ancestors who brought it over, right?

00:43:38.700 Now, the majority of them were European.

00:43:41.360 And today, we call collectively, I guess, European people's white.

00:43:46.500 Feel how you want about that terminology?

00:43:48.700 But obviously, that is where the culture came from.

00:43:51.640 Doesn't mean that's the only people who can participate in it.

00:43:54.380 Doesn't mean, she's not even saying that.

00:43:56.360 She's saying, yes, people are going to assimilate to this culture.

00:43:59.740 Her position is not radical.

00:44:01.640 It is the same position Samuel Huntington, a left-wing Harvard professor, had in the book

00:44:08.600 Who Are We?

00:44:09.960 This is not radical bomb-throwing stuff.

00:44:12.580 Everybody in the world could have recognized this explanation of culture throughout history.

00:44:19.340 Most people today still recognize this.

00:44:22.140 It's only leftists pushing this complete, uh, you know, disassociation between culture and

00:44:29.440 values and origins, right?

00:44:31.640 Well, I shouldn't say just them.

00:44:33.080 There are actually a lot of conservatives pushing the propositional nation who think

00:44:36.780 the same way.

00:44:38.100 We can't acknowledge heritage.

00:44:40.460 We can't acknowledge the genealogy of these ideas.

00:44:43.860 The ideas are just abstract.

00:44:45.560 They're just floating around.

00:44:46.600 They're just free-floating values.

00:44:48.460 They came from nowhere, right?

00:44:50.880 That's what they want you to believe because of the heat map.

00:44:55.020 It's all out there, right?

00:44:56.440 There's no, you can't prefer any of the people around you.

00:44:59.380 You can't prefer the tradition.

00:45:01.020 You can't prefer the culture.

00:45:02.320 You can't prefer any of the things that came before.

00:45:05.120 You have to have this abstract humanity where there is no actual culture.

00:45:09.560 There is no actual preference for any particular understanding.

00:45:12.980 And that dooms the country as we can see here, because he's angry that she's, she again is

00:45:18.840 saying anyone can assimilate and he can't even deal with that.

00:45:23.300 He can't even deal with the idea.

00:45:24.800 There's something to assimilate to.

00:45:26.400 Again, you'll see a very similar discourse happening in Britain right now.

00:45:30.420 They're, they're arguing about whether or not there's even a, a English ethnicity.

00:45:35.780 There's an abstract understanding of British, but then there's a ethnic English under understanding

00:45:42.020 that the British are having a problem, even identifying that that exists at the moment,

00:45:47.340 at the moment.

00:45:48.040 They're having huge knockdown drag out debates.

00:45:50.260 People who used to call me woke, right.

00:45:52.140 Are now taking the side that actually it turns out European ethnicity exists.

00:45:56.400 Okay.

00:45:57.500 But she's just pointing this out.

00:45:59.020 Like, look, you can, you, you can adapt to this.

00:46:02.280 You can assimilate to this, but this is the core belief.

00:46:05.900 This is the core culture.

00:46:07.800 I mean, that is what America is.

00:46:10.260 It's rooted in European identity and Christian values.

00:46:13.440 That's what it has been.

00:46:15.240 Like, would you really disagree with that?

00:46:17.840 What, what is it then?

00:46:18.960 If that's not the identity of America?

00:46:21.320 Well, I think the identity of the majority of time, America has been a country.

00:46:25.240 You don't think that's been the identity?

00:46:27.200 Well, actually, no, I think actually the, the, the identity of America has been, uh, you

00:46:33.340 know, for better or for worse, a melting pot.

00:46:36.000 And so again, uh, I'm going to keep pointing to Samuel Huntington because a, I think he's

00:46:43.060 very smart.

00:46:43.960 B I think his book, who are we is an incredibly important book and see, he is a center left

00:46:51.960 Harvard professor, not radical.

00:46:53.900 Okay.

00:46:54.600 Not, not some crazy dude on, on YouTube saying the most insane thing ever.

00:46:58.980 He doesn't have all the conspiracy theories.

00:47:00.860 He is a very, very mainstream central figure.

00:47:05.400 And he said that this idea of the melting pot is just a lie.

00:47:10.020 It's just a complete lie.

00:47:11.560 And he even points again, this is in his book.

00:47:13.980 This is not exclusive to me.

00:47:15.820 I'm not making this up.

00:47:16.740 I'm getting this from Samuel Huntington.

00:47:18.920 Okay.

00:47:19.920 The guy who was a professor to Francis Fukuyama, not, not some insane bomb thrower.

00:47:26.080 He said that a Jewish playwright created the term, the melting pot.

00:47:31.620 And that that entered common parlance for a while.

00:47:34.680 You even had guys like Teddy Roosevelt who embraced it for a little bit, but eventually

00:47:39.480 they recognized it wasn't working, that it didn't actually capture the essence of American

00:47:45.580 identity and that it muddied the water more than it ended up solving the problem.

00:47:51.700 And so he discarded the melting pot analogy.

00:47:54.500 He said, it doesn't work.

00:47:56.020 It's a failure.

00:47:57.700 So this idea that the melting pot has been America's identity, it just false.

00:48:03.620 It's not historically true.

00:48:05.300 And when it was finally introduced, it failed.

00:48:09.960 Like the people who pushed it, got it up to the most elite circles of American culture.

00:48:15.860 And then it got rejected.

00:48:17.600 Now, obviously it's come back.

00:48:19.120 That's it.

00:48:19.700 We've heard about the melting pot a lot during my lifetime, but for a very long time, they

00:48:23.220 tried to push this melting pot propaganda and it just did not work.

00:48:27.120 It did not work.

00:48:28.340 But here's Sam regurgitating it as if it was always the core identity of the United States.

00:48:33.920 All of America was always a melting pot.

00:48:36.400 There were, there was no tradition.

00:48:38.340 There was no identity.

00:48:39.320 There was no founding.

00:48:40.360 There were no people.

00:48:41.560 There is no heritage.

00:48:42.440 There's no lineage.

00:48:43.420 There's no genealogy of the ideas.

00:48:45.760 So he's not just rejecting American culture specifically.

00:48:50.520 He's not just rejecting that it's European or that it's Christian.

00:48:53.900 He's rejecting that it can exist at all.

00:48:56.320 And you'll see this in a second.

00:48:57.360 So he doesn't even address it, right?

00:49:22.980 He doesn't, she points out like, even in your analogy, even in your analogy, it's different

00:49:28.060 people's coming together to make one culture, even in the melting pot analogy, it doesn't

00:49:34.160 work because what Sam is doing is not coming up with an American culture.

00:49:38.120 He's not trying to find a way to unify Americans.

00:49:41.440 What he's saying is there is no American culture.

00:49:44.320 That America is a place where I can park my globalist project.

00:49:48.420 America is a staging area.

00:49:51.140 It is a tax farm for my liberal global empire.

00:49:56.420 And so I do not care about America.

00:49:59.400 I do not want America to have an identity or a culture, even if it is a melting pot.

00:50:04.160 I don't want it.

00:50:05.560 He can't even define the melting pot.

00:50:07.320 He doesn't even know what it is.

00:50:08.640 He just gives up when she points out the obvious inconsistency in his beliefs.

00:50:14.560 He couldn't even argue, well, yes, ultimately it is a melting pot and we are, we're coming

00:50:20.100 together with a more perfect, uh, you know, union, a more perfect culture.

00:50:24.740 We're taking aspects from all these other cultures.

00:50:26.840 He couldn't even say the propaganda, right?

00:50:29.660 Cause he doesn't believe that either.

00:50:31.280 He doesn't believe there's a core American culture.

00:50:33.720 He doesn't want there to be one.

00:50:35.180 And you see here, he says, well, we have a core disagreement.

00:50:37.760 And that is the only honest thing Sam says in this exchange.

00:50:41.160 We have a core disagreement and he says, this agreement, we will never see eye to eye on

00:50:46.860 this.

00:50:47.320 It's a choice and people, I think what you're expressing though, is really what the, the,

00:50:52.960 the Trump, uh, uh, movement at its heart is about.

00:50:56.200 And I think that's problematic.

00:50:57.620 I disagree.

00:50:58.340 So he's right.

00:50:59.840 He's right here.

00:51:01.060 Okay.

00:51:01.600 This is the one true thing he said.

00:51:03.640 Okay.

00:51:04.520 The Trump movement is about recovering American identity.

00:51:08.520 America is a place.

00:51:11.080 It is a people.

00:51:12.440 It has a heritage.

00:51:13.760 It has a tradition.

00:51:14.900 It has a culture.

00:51:16.700 We are gracious enough to extend the opportunity to assimilate to some of the best in the world.

00:51:25.900 But that is not a guarantee.

00:51:28.380 That is not some thing you're owed just for existing out there.

00:51:32.520 You're not a better American because you're out in Ukraine or, uh, you're an illegal immigrant

00:51:37.080 somewhere trying to get into the United States.

00:51:40.200 That is not the situation.

00:51:41.700 We are a particular place, a particular people, a particular culture.

00:51:45.500 And if you are extended the gracious offer of joining us, then you will assimilate to that

00:51:51.280 culture.

00:51:53.240 You may add beautiful things to it by assimilating, but you will assimilate.

00:51:58.380 That has to be what makes American identity.

00:52:01.100 Again, this is what Samuel Huntington said in his book.

00:52:04.080 Who are we?

00:52:05.060 That has to be the core.

00:52:06.500 And again, Hamill, uh, uh, you know, Huntington was a Harvard professor.

00:52:11.200 He's not a bomb thrower.

00:52:12.360 He said, look, I, he, he didn't believe there should be some exclusive Anglo or some exclusive

00:52:17.480 Christian thing to America.

00:52:19.580 But he said, you have to have something for people to assimilate to, or we'll rip the country

00:52:24.160 apart.

00:52:25.120 And this is the problem with the heat map, right?

00:52:27.580 There's a fundamental disagreement between conservatives and liberals about what America

00:52:32.800 is.

00:52:33.920 And the very idea that America is a real place where real people have a real culture.

00:52:38.860 He says, this is something we have a fundamental difference on.

00:52:43.040 I can never agree with you on, and it's problematic.

00:52:46.180 I can't ever be at peace with the idea that America is a real place with real people in

00:52:52.340 it.

00:52:52.520 I don't think Trump's like anywhere close to being a Christian nationalist.

00:52:55.480 That's ridiculous.

00:52:55.960 Like Trump's basically a Democrat from like 15 years ago when it comes to social issues.

00:52:59.900 So you don't think that he's conservative enough for you?

00:53:02.320 Oh, definitely.

00:53:03.060 Nowhere close.

00:53:03.880 No.

00:53:04.080 He's not xenophobic enough for you.

00:53:06.320 No, he's trying to pour a bunch of H1Bs.

00:53:08.640 Are you kidding?

00:53:09.380 Right.

00:53:09.680 Oh, so you want to get them out too?

00:53:11.460 Yeah.

00:53:12.860 Yes.

00:53:13.920 Yes.

00:53:14.820 We want American jobs for American workers.

00:53:17.780 Yes.

00:53:18.900 You're on the left, right?

00:53:20.060 You're supposed to be pro-labor.

00:53:21.560 You're supposed to be for the working class.

00:53:24.020 He can't be pro-labor, pro the working class.

00:53:27.260 If the world can come in and take any job, you can't do the same.

00:53:31.900 They can't be the same thing, but he doesn't care because he doesn't actually care about

00:53:36.240 the working class near him.

00:53:37.660 But for Sam, the working class is the globe.

00:53:40.220 For him, America is the world.

00:53:42.460 There is no America.

00:53:43.940 Okay?

00:53:44.440 It's a melting pot.

00:53:45.240 Anyone can come in.

00:53:46.320 They can believe whatever they want.

00:53:47.380 They can do whatever they want.

00:53:48.460 They can have whatever values they want.

00:53:50.100 They never need to change anything because America is not real.

00:53:53.260 That's what Sam believes.

00:53:55.160 That's what he really believes.

00:53:56.700 That's what the left really believed because the heat map is real.

00:54:00.540 The heat map is real.

00:54:01.660 Sam's concern is not for his neighbor.

00:54:03.860 His concern is not for his family, his extended family.

00:54:06.700 It's not for any of his community.

00:54:10.300 It's certainly not for his nation.

00:54:12.860 He cares way more about abstract Americans somewhere than he does the Americans sitting

00:54:18.320 across from him.

00:54:19.260 They have fundamental disagreements.

00:54:20.880 He can never resolve because he values everything outside of the circles that she values and she

00:54:27.720 values everything inside of the circles that he passes over.

00:54:30.320 There is a fundamental disagreement on the nature of morality and how we should understand each

00:54:35.840 other.

00:54:36.200 All right, guys, I'm going to head over to the questions of the people real quick.

00:54:40.380 Florida Henry says, important a few million Ukrainians, I think it means import, a few million

00:54:52.360 Ukrainians, they'll all vote Republican.

00:54:54.700 Eastern Europeans hate commies, great people and food, but their country is depressing.

00:55:01.260 Again, I'm not really commenting on the quality of Ukrainians here.

00:55:05.740 That's not ultimately what we're worried about or even Eastern Europeans.

00:55:10.760 And this is actually another thing that I want conservatives to avoid, right?

00:55:14.860 There's a lot of discussion.

00:55:16.180 You'll see this from conservative pundits who want to avoid this issue, too.

00:55:20.380 They'll say, oh, well, immigrants are more pro-American, right?

00:55:23.920 Like they're going to be more pro the United States.

00:55:27.040 They care more about our values.

00:55:28.940 The point is you don't just import people because they agree with you ideologically.

00:55:32.940 That's entirely missing the issue, right?

00:55:35.560 That's a very that's a very left wing heat map response.

00:55:38.900 Just bring in foreigners because they might vote the way that I want them to.

00:55:42.880 No, no, you're missing the point.

00:55:45.540 The point and sorry, Florida Henry, I know you're a regular.

00:55:49.140 I'm not trying to dump on you here, but I'm just saying like we need to start thinking.

00:55:52.880 No, like, you know, just import new people, even if they're people from a country you think

00:55:57.580 is more compatible or an ideology or religion you think is more compatible.

00:56:00.440 That's not actually the answer.

00:56:02.640 You're not just shifting the demographics until they favor you.

00:56:05.640 OK, the point is you actually care about your neighbor.

00:56:10.460 You actually look at the person next to you, even if they disagree with you and you try

00:56:14.260 to find common ground.

00:56:17.060 Gil Gilhelm says Hamilton's rule for explaining the evolution of altruism is pertinent.

00:56:22.820 It's mathematically tied to relationship kinship.

00:56:26.940 It's it's suicide to give to strangers, but fit to give to family again that that I'm sure

00:56:34.000 that's true in some kind of evolutionary advantage sense.

00:56:38.740 I think that I'm not just selecting for that.

00:56:41.960 OK, ultimately, I think that there's a biblical truth to taking care of people near you.

00:56:48.820 Right. We had the showdown between J.D. Vance and even the Pope on this issue.

00:56:54.080 But I think the orders of love matter.

00:56:56.280 I think you are called to care for those outside your family, but your care, you called to care

00:57:02.840 for your family first, which doesn't mean you shouldn't care about the stranger, but it

00:57:07.140 means that you order things correctly.

00:57:09.160 OK, and that's really what we're focusing on here.

00:57:14.100 Paul B says the wording of the study is actually care about all the preceding things.

00:57:20.100 And some right wingers try to say we are misusing the meme, but no, actually, it's it's

00:57:26.340 atheism plus redux family and foreigners, animal and rock in human.

00:57:34.180 Let's see here.

00:57:35.500 Tiny Stupid Demon says, I continue to believe the reason that the left hates Russia is that

00:57:42.780 they deeply resent them for screwing up communism.

00:57:45.400 Yeah, that's a fair point, right?

00:57:46.540 Like you guys couldn't pull off communism.

00:57:48.260 So that's why we hate you now.

00:57:50.000 We were pro you when you were pro communism.

00:57:53.320 But now that you didn't pull communism off, you didn't get communism right.

00:57:57.140 We're going to we're going to hate you for it.

00:57:58.580 Uh, Enrico Palazzo says 1829 makes up 95% of USAID cases.

00:58:07.080 Uh, I'm not sure exactly where that stat is coming from there.

00:58:11.060 I will say that the Marco Rubio said they're shutting down like 85% of USAID.

00:58:16.800 Uh, so that is a positive.

00:58:18.620 Sorry, I don't have a better response to your chat there.

00:58:21.800 Uh, Thursday says there is a difference in kind and not degree between caring about every

00:58:26.800 person and care and caring for each person.

00:58:31.020 Uh, yeah, again, uh, there is a fundamental difference about the type of aid I need to

00:58:37.480 render to my actual neighbor than the type of theoretical aid, uh, that I render to nameless,

00:58:44.780 faceless people, right?

00:58:45.940 Uh, that that is a very significant difference in my attitude, uh, the way I learned to love

00:58:52.140 others, the level of sacrifice involved, uh, and that's really critical in making this

00:58:56.880 evaluation.

00:58:59.760 Uh, Alicia says, uh, wrong heat map, my bad.

00:59:03.460 Oh, uh, yes, he was trying to help me find the heat map meme that I put up here now.

00:59:07.700 I appreciate that.

00:59:08.780 He, I think he made one for me, which was very kind.

00:59:11.380 Uh, sometimes when I can't, can't find things on Twitter, the amazing thing about having a

00:59:14.920 good Twitter following is as you can kind of crowdsource that.

00:59:17.440 So very thankful to Wade Stotts who eventually found this meme for me.

00:59:21.000 Uh, but I really appreciate you for going out of your way to try to make something useful.

00:59:24.460 Uh, ultimately, I really appreciate that.

00:59:27.000 Uh, Desert Tortoise says, wow, this is so profound.

00:59:30.300 Uh, I hope so, man.

00:59:31.380 I appreciate that.

00:59:32.340 Thank you.

00:59:33.460 Uh, uh, Gray Duck says liberalism, uh, loves multiculturalism as long as those cultures are just food

00:59:41.200 and language choices under their, uh, international liberal overcoat.

00:59:44.920 Yes.

00:59:45.280 Perfect.

00:59:45.660 And correct use of overcoat, by the way.

00:59:47.660 Um, so yes, this is exactly right.

00:59:50.440 There's a Disneyland version of multiculturalism that the left, right.

00:59:55.820 Likes.

00:59:56.340 They like it when you can kind of, uh, put on a little costume, uh, maybe have the food

01:00:00.700 over there, but ultimately you fall under the Disneyland moniker, right?

01:00:04.700 Like ultimately your land, your culture becomes Disneyland, even if it's represented by a cool

01:00:10.320 food item and some, you know, traditional dress somewhere.

01:00:14.140 And that's really what liberalisms want when they say multiculturalism.

01:00:17.800 Uh, when they talk about the melting pot, if Sam had actually answered this the way that

01:00:21.780 most liberals really do, what they mean is they want to make, take all these cultures

01:00:25.880 and they actually want to get rid of what makes them different, what makes them special.

01:00:29.360 And they just want to keep a few things like the culinary choices, that kind of stuff.

01:00:34.500 Um, the, the other option of this is that they are so radically different that it just

01:00:39.480 makes cooperation possible, but because liberals actually do want some level of function, they

01:00:45.280 usually try to get them to, you know, assimilate into the system, but the system is not any particular

01:00:51.080 culture.

01:00:51.540 It's this larger overcoat.

01:00:53.460 It's this gray goo, uh, that is so unparticular, so unspecific that you don't owe anyone to anything

01:00:59.600 or you don't owe anything to anyone.

01:01:01.980 And you end up in the scenario where the state takes over all of these normal social relationships

01:01:07.000 and you just kind of lived as this atomized, but diversified person.

01:01:13.700 Uh, let's see.

01:01:15.980 Robert Winesfield says, I want to live as a Jew in this Christian country, country, grateful

01:01:20.520 to be here as an American.

01:01:22.140 I am not, and don't want to be Israeli.

01:01:25.120 God bless America.

01:01:25.980 Well, thank you very much.

01:01:26.940 And that's exactly the attitude ultimately that needs to be adopted.

01:01:30.220 Again, in Huntington's book, he even talks about how the Jews in the United States are

01:01:35.340 more Protestant Jews.

01:01:37.160 Uh, like they're, like they, uh, embrace for instance, Hanukkah, uh, in a way that, uh,

01:01:42.320 more, uh, you know, that, that other Jews around the world don't because Christian cultures

01:01:46.900 have this emphasis on, on, uh, Christmas and there needs to be some kind of, uh, reciprocal

01:01:52.280 holiday.

01:01:52.960 And so they pick up like kind of these Christian affectations, even though they maintain their

01:01:58.020 Jewishness.

01:01:58.680 That's kind of what he's talking about.

01:02:00.440 That ultimately even different religions, uh, end up bending themselves to kind of conform

01:02:05.720 with certain aspects of Christianity in a Christian culture.

01:02:09.720 And ultimately that's the way it should work.

01:02:12.200 If you want to maintain some, uh, alternative religion, okay.

01:02:16.140 Again, I encourage you to embrace Christ and the truth of Christianity.

01:02:21.100 However, you are at the very least recognizing that this is something that you are assimilating

01:02:25.420 into that.

01:02:26.160 Even if you are keeping that religion apart, you are still otherwise embracing the other

01:02:30.460 aspects of, uh, American existence.

01:02:33.020 And I think that is absolutely critical.

01:02:35.420 Uh, Robert Weisfeld said, keep American Christian grateful J friend.

01:02:39.740 Well, again, appreciate very much.

01:02:41.300 Sure.

01:02:41.460 That is exactly the right attitude.

01:02:43.420 Uh, Connor O'Hare says, uh, specification or dysgenics.

01:02:50.600 Um, I'm not sure exactly what the question is there.

01:02:56.620 Uh, sorry.

01:02:57.660 Maybe, maybe you can clarify a little bit, um, as to, as to what you're saying.

01:03:02.600 I don't quite understand it.

01:03:03.960 I'll look for it.

01:03:04.640 You can just at me.

01:03:05.320 You don't have to super chat again.

01:03:06.840 I'll try to find it there.

01:03:08.000 Uh, if you've got a clarification, uh, blue wizard, wizard rope says you will assimilate

01:03:12.260 locust, uh, locutus of McIntyre.

01:03:14.540 That's right.

01:03:14.960 That's right.

01:03:15.440 You will be assimilated.

01:03:16.420 Uh, uh, fire, lice, fire and ice, uh, says it always starts with God isn't real and ultimately

01:03:25.380 ends with the ideas, uh, with ideas aren't real.

01:03:28.520 Countries aren't real.

01:03:29.640 Uh, cultures aren't real.

01:03:30.820 The only thing that's real is tacos and curry.

01:03:33.260 Yeah, it really does follow that path, right?

01:03:35.900 As cartoonish as it is, uh, that kind of atheist devolution of absolutes always leads us down

01:03:41.680 the same path.

01:03:42.720 It starts with the death of God.

01:03:44.340 It ends with the death of everything that is human.

01:03:46.860 Uh, God is at the center of what humanity is because God created us.

01:03:52.280 We are made his image, uh, and we cannot deny him, uh, and all the particularities that

01:03:57.720 flow from his design, uh, without ultimately dissolving our own cultures.

01:04:01.920 Uh, let's see here.

01:04:04.640 Madagascar, uh, 588 says, if there's a theme about the idea of civilizational, uh, continuation

01:04:10.980 discuss here, who better to chat about it than apostolic majesty and furious.

01:04:16.320 I've had furious pertinence on the show many times.

01:04:18.800 I've never had apostolic majesty on though.

01:04:21.040 I do enjoy his work.

01:04:22.320 As I understand that he's taking a break away from the media scene, but if he wants to come

01:04:26.840 back and have a discussion, I would love to.

01:04:28.460 He's a great, he's a great content producer.

01:04:30.160 Uh, Macradier says, have you been following the Israel interest interest slash guitar

01:04:35.280 interest spat that's going on on X in response to Ian Carroll, Candace Owens, Andrew Tate

01:04:40.400 appearing on prominent podcasts?

01:04:42.500 Yeah.

01:04:42.800 I mean, ultimately, uh, so here's how out of the loop I am.

01:04:46.040 I didn't know who Ian Carroll was.

01:04:47.780 Like I genuinely had no idea who he was until everyone started losing their mind about him

01:04:52.240 going on Joe Rogan.

01:04:53.360 Uh, there has been a very strange, uh, like substitution of Qatar, I guess, into like as

01:05:01.520 an influence in American politics.

01:05:03.740 Uh, obviously, as I've said many, many times over, I don't want any foreign politics or foreign

01:05:09.980 influence in the United States, be it Israel, Qatar, Ukraine, Russia.

01:05:13.920 Uh, you know, I think America should be focused on Americans and that, uh, you know, I, I certainly

01:05:21.320 don't agree.

01:05:22.080 Like, I, I don't, I think Andrew Tate is kind of a garbage human being.

01:05:25.640 I don't know Candace or Ian personally.

01:05:29.680 Uh, you know, I certainly don't agree with everything they say, but ultimately my concern

01:05:35.300 is just, I don't ever want to hear about the Israeli Palestinian conflict again, to be

01:05:40.160 honest, like if I had, if I could wave a wand tomorrow and just never have to hear about

01:05:44.980 these foreign conflicts anymore, that'd be great.

01:05:48.340 I think America should be focused on itself and the improvements it needs to make here

01:05:52.320 to the extent that it's engaged in any foreign, uh, efforts.

01:05:56.400 It should only be with a clear eye to the interests of the United States.

01:06:00.320 And ultimately I think George Washington's, you know, foreign policy in his farewell address

01:06:06.160 was correct.

01:06:06.620 In fact, I'm probably going to do a episode on that next week, uh, just because I think

01:06:10.960 so many people have forgotten the wisdom of the founding fathers while talking about

01:06:14.960 the importance of returning to the wisdom of the founding fathers.

01:06:17.880 Uh, Ordra Noel Zintram, sorry if I didn't get that right, says, uh, they hate Russia because

01:06:24.940 it's not in game entangled with London.

01:06:27.900 Uh, again, that might be true.

01:06:29.700 Uh, ultimately I think they just see, uh, an opportunity to push against someone, uh,

01:06:35.480 who, uh, Trump, you know, they find a wedge against Trump.

01:06:39.700 I think that's really what it is.

01:06:40.980 Uh, I think it was Dave Raboy who said, you know, America, Democrats don't have foreign

01:06:46.300 enemies.

01:06:46.820 They have, uh, and foreign, uh, foreign enemies that, uh, remind them of their domestic enemies.

01:06:52.120 And I think that's right.

01:06:53.040 I think they just hate, uh, Putin because he reminds them of Trump or they think they can

01:06:57.420 use him against Trump.

01:06:58.560 That's really about it.

01:07:00.300 Uh, bro, man, Hank said, I find it bizarre as a foreigner when I hear Americans say that

01:07:04.680 they don't have a culture and I have to assert that they definitely do.

01:07:07.480 Yeah.

01:07:07.960 The funny thing is that the minute you leave America, you will recognize America has a

01:07:13.140 culture.

01:07:14.120 It's, it's actually hilariously much more parochial to believe that America does not have a culture,

01:07:18.980 uh, than it is to understand that ultimately you are much different than other nations and

01:07:24.700 other nations know this.

01:07:25.820 If you travel, other people will immediately identify you as American.

01:07:28.560 Uh, that, that will not be a problem for them.

01:07:31.240 Uh, but for some reason, uh, it is the most important thing in the world for progressives

01:07:35.480 to believe the United States doesn't have one.

01:07:37.620 Uh, chair of cow says, thanks.

01:07:39.880 Well, thank you very much, man.

01:07:41.120 I appreciate it quite a bit.

01:07:43.560 Appreciate your support.

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