The Auron MacIntyre Show - Why Democrats Are Losing with Men ｜ Guest： The Distributist

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00:00:30.000 Hey, everybody, how's it going?

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00:02:08.300 All right, so my guest today is

00:02:11.800 one of our favorite guys, Dave the Distributist.

00:02:14.920 Thank you so much for joining me today.

00:02:16.600 Always a pleasure to be here.

00:02:18.160 I'm very eager to talk about politics

00:02:20.780 with one of the OG people on the Blaze,

00:02:23.860 so great.

00:02:25.460 Absolutely.

00:02:26.260 And I wanted to bring you on tonight,

00:02:28.240 or well, we're recording tonight.

00:02:29.600 This will be playing where I had to pre-record

00:02:31.380 because Dave is often only available

00:02:33.860 later after he's worked through

00:02:36.620 all his other family obligations

00:02:38.460 and work obligations,

00:02:39.340 so happy to have him,

00:02:40.800 but we'll be playing this live on Monday.

00:02:43.620 But ultimately, the reason I wanted to have Dave on

00:02:46.540 is that a big problem

00:02:48.300 the Kamala Harris has run into

00:02:50.080 is the issue of men.

00:02:51.980 A lot of people joke about the women question

00:02:53.900 and the problem of women,

00:02:55.160 but the Kamala Harris campaign

00:02:57.300 is having the man question.

00:02:58.960 They don't know what to do.

00:03:00.540 They don't know how to address this issue.

00:03:02.860 There's been a massive and growing gap

00:03:05.000 between the genders when it comes to

00:03:07.220 support of the different political parties.

00:03:09.740 And the Harris campaign has been

00:03:11.140 some kind of specific kryptonite

00:03:13.580 when it comes to the interest of males

00:03:15.440 and democratic politics

00:03:18.340 to the point now where they're even pandering

00:03:20.460 to black males,

00:03:21.560 which you would think would be

00:03:22.760 kind of the stalwart group.

00:03:24.340 This is an almost monolithic vote

00:03:26.780 that the Democrats have commanded

00:03:28.760 for a very long time.

00:03:30.340 And now they're in this panic mode

00:03:32.120 where they're throwing out

00:03:32.940 all these most ridiculous ways

00:03:34.980 to reach out to men.

00:03:36.360 Perhaps the most comical one

00:03:37.840 is a video that I want to play

00:03:39.300 for Dave real quick

00:03:40.320 and for the audience.

00:03:41.320 And then we'll jump in.

00:03:42.540 If you haven't been on social media

00:03:43.660 and you haven't seen this yet,

00:03:45.540 you're in for a real treat.

00:03:48.200 So this is a video.

00:03:50.480 It wasn't put out officially.

00:03:52.340 It wasn't put out officially

00:03:54.280 by the Kamala Harris campaign,

00:03:57.400 but it's one of the,

00:03:58.180 I think the producer was someone

00:03:59.700 who's a producer on the Jimmy Kimmel show.

00:04:01.680 So this is very adjacent to the campaign.

00:04:03.980 This is not just some random person

00:04:05.800 doing this on their TikTok account.

00:04:07.560 This is a Hollywood producer

00:04:09.560 involved in this,

00:04:10.880 a late night show producer

00:04:12.340 who's putting this out.

00:04:13.640 This is an earnest effort

00:04:14.800 to reach out to men,

00:04:16.360 to bridge that gap

00:04:17.540 and show that Kamala Harris

00:04:19.100 can have the support of manly men.

00:04:21.240 Let's watch this real quick.

00:04:22.700 I'm a man.

00:04:23.880 I'm a man.

00:04:25.020 I'm a man, man.

00:04:26.340 And I'm man enough.

00:04:27.340 I'm man enough to enjoy

00:04:28.700 a barrel-proof bourbon.

00:04:30.100 Meat.

00:04:30.720 Man enough to cook my steak rare.

00:04:32.600 Man enough to deadlift 500

00:04:34.300 and braid the s***

00:04:35.400 out of my daughter's hair.

00:04:37.960 Sorry.

00:04:38.920 Yeah, it's, it's, it's,

00:04:40.680 I saw this once

00:04:42.140 and the cringe is,

00:04:43.080 it's still there.

00:04:44.440 It's.

00:04:45.920 That is an incredible line.

00:04:48.980 I'm going to curse

00:04:50.020 about braiding my,

00:04:51.260 my daughter's hair.

00:04:52.180 That's how you know I'm a man.

00:04:53.760 It's all the,

00:04:54.600 it's all the most cartoonish things.

00:04:56.820 You're like, yeah,

00:04:57.260 I barely cook my steak,

00:04:58.400 which to be fair

00:04:59.460 is the correct way to eat a steak.

00:05:00.680 But you know,

00:05:01.320 like I drink a bourbon

00:05:04.040 with a higher alcohol content.

00:05:05.560 This is what defines my manhood.

00:05:07.500 And here we can see,

00:05:08.660 obviously the avatar of,

00:05:10.380 of, you know, masculinity.

00:05:11.860 This is the ideal man,

00:05:13.840 at least for the regime, right?

00:05:15.120 Like this is,

00:05:15.780 this is exactly.

00:05:16.660 He's got a cowboy hat on.

00:05:18.380 Cowboy hat,

00:05:19.300 wildly out of shape,

00:05:20.600 highly dominant.

00:05:21.460 Yeah.

00:05:21.660 Like this,

00:05:22.180 this is really what you're looking for,

00:05:23.540 but don't worry.

00:05:24.080 It gets better guys.

00:05:24.860 It gets better.

00:05:25.560 You think I'm afraid

00:05:26.300 to rebuild a carburetor?

00:05:27.660 I eat carburetors for breakfast.

00:05:29.660 That man has never seen a carburetor.

00:05:32.200 Plus he went into,

00:05:33.200 he walks straight into

00:05:34.300 the Happy Gilmore joke.

00:05:37.020 You know,

00:05:37.860 I remember that joke

00:05:40.220 from Happy Gilmore

00:05:41.060 about eating little things

00:05:42.400 for breakfast.

00:05:44.140 Anyway,

00:05:44.980 go ahead.

00:05:45.440 Afraid of bears?

00:05:46.260 That's what bear hugs are for.

00:05:47.860 I'll tell you another thing

00:05:48.700 I sure as shit

00:05:49.280 am not afraid of.

00:05:50.860 Women.

00:05:51.780 I'm not afraid of women.

00:05:53.280 I'm not afraid of women.

00:05:54.280 They want to control.

00:05:55.680 Sorry.

00:05:56.340 I have to go back

00:05:56.960 to this guy.

00:05:58.140 What is this?

00:06:00.540 He can't even do

00:06:01.520 the Yellowstone meme

00:06:02.480 properly at this stage,

00:06:03.780 right?

00:06:04.060 I mean,

00:06:04.240 at least,

00:06:04.540 at least the Kevin Costner

00:06:05.860 Yellowstone meme

00:06:07.020 felt like he was organically

00:06:08.880 sitting down

00:06:09.480 on a pickup truck.

00:06:10.440 This guy looks like

00:06:11.620 he's perched

00:06:12.860 at a tea table.

00:06:14.060 Would it,

00:06:14.200 you know,

00:06:15.340 ready to kind of

00:06:16.220 give a toast

00:06:16.860 at some,

00:06:17.760 you know,

00:06:18.320 wine establishment

00:06:19.320 or something like that?

00:06:20.840 Yeah,

00:06:21.240 it definitely looks like

00:06:21.900 he should be putting

00:06:22.460 his pinky finger

00:06:23.740 up in the air

00:06:24.380 as he consumes

00:06:25.160 whatever beverage.

00:06:26.360 But yeah,

00:06:26.720 it really is.

00:06:27.760 Obviously,

00:06:28.060 we're going to make

00:06:28.620 the comparison

00:06:29.380 to the Yellowstone meme.

00:06:30.460 I think that's exactly

00:06:31.180 the right way

00:06:32.220 to go with this.

00:06:32.960 It's faux masculinity.

00:06:35.100 It's,

00:06:35.220 you know,

00:06:35.960 the kind of

00:06:37.720 weird aesthetics

00:06:38.860 that are supposed

00:06:39.740 to appeal

00:06:40.460 to an American man,

00:06:42.500 but it's all

00:06:43.240 just contorted.

00:06:44.440 At least,

00:06:45.000 as you point out,

00:06:45.580 Kevin Costner

00:06:46.260 feels masculine.

00:06:48.080 You know,

00:06:48.220 maybe he has

00:06:48.880 cringe opinions.

00:06:49.980 Maybe he's got

00:06:50.440 kind of boomer opinions

00:06:51.440 about the United States.

00:06:52.780 Maybe ultimately

00:06:53.440 he kind of folds

00:06:54.400 on what it means

00:06:55.480 to be a man

00:06:56.060 or what it means

00:06:56.660 to be,

00:06:57.420 you know,

00:06:57.780 what conservatives

00:06:58.540 would value.

00:06:59.620 But at least

00:07:00.040 he looks the part.

00:07:01.560 Yeah,

00:07:01.680 like at least

00:07:02.240 he has some

00:07:03.440 connection

00:07:04.360 to at least

00:07:05.100 aesthetically

00:07:05.780 tie us to this.

00:07:07.300 These guys are just,

00:07:08.240 it's just comically bad.

00:07:10.020 Like this guy

00:07:10.540 feels like he should

00:07:11.600 just be throwing

00:07:12.340 a wrist out there

00:07:14.120 and have a lisp

00:07:15.200 the entire time.

00:07:16.040 It's ridiculous.

00:07:16.600 Yeah,

00:07:16.900 the leg placement

00:07:18.720 is all wrong.

00:07:19.620 The hand placement

00:07:20.380 is all wrong.

00:07:21.640 The shirt's not cut properly.

00:07:24.040 The jeans are too tight.

00:07:26.060 I mean,

00:07:26.300 you could go through the list.

00:07:27.860 I mean,

00:07:28.080 a costume expert

00:07:30.560 in a movie

00:07:31.200 should be able

00:07:31.780 to catch this stuff

00:07:32.840 if they had someone

00:07:33.780 competent doing that.

00:07:35.100 But I don't know.

00:07:36.060 I don't know.

00:07:36.800 It's a good question

00:07:37.560 to,

00:07:39.420 well,

00:07:39.700 we probably should

00:07:40.860 keep on playing it,

00:07:41.780 but there's so many

00:07:42.760 different dimensions

00:07:43.560 of it here,

00:07:44.340 right?

00:07:44.540 Because it's almost

00:07:46.600 like they were

00:07:47.800 trying to do this

00:07:48.520 ironically

00:07:49.060 and then work

00:07:50.860 their way backwards

00:07:51.600 from that.

00:07:52.560 Like,

00:07:53.280 the people

00:07:54.200 who made this film

00:07:55.720 were only capable

00:07:57.140 of the advertisement

00:07:58.620 or whatever,

00:07:59.160 this clip.

00:08:00.420 They came from

00:08:01.640 a media environment

00:08:02.640 where these kind

00:08:03.880 of people

00:08:04.180 could only be mocked

00:08:05.480 or put up

00:08:06.120 in pastiche.

00:08:06.820 and then

00:08:08.540 they kind of

00:08:09.080 reconstruct

00:08:09.460 their idea

00:08:10.540 of what

00:08:11.220 these men

00:08:11.800 might like.

00:08:12.420 They went

00:08:12.880 backwards

00:08:13.400 from the parody

00:08:14.760 and tried

00:08:15.260 to hit reality,

00:08:16.660 but they had

00:08:16.960 no real concept

00:08:18.120 of how to do that

00:08:19.100 because if this

00:08:20.160 was any other

00:08:20.840 time period,

00:08:22.240 you'd be able

00:08:22.960 to just pick out

00:08:24.540 like it was

00:08:25.080 some kind

00:08:25.620 of kid's puzzle.

00:08:26.980 What are the

00:08:27.720 10 things wrong

00:08:28.760 with this photograph

00:08:30.480 if you're trying

00:08:31.260 to represent

00:08:31.860 some kind

00:08:32.740 of rancher

00:08:33.420 guy just

00:08:34.440 from a purely

00:08:35.680 objective point

00:08:36.840 of view?

00:08:37.720 Yeah,

00:08:37.920 I mean,

00:08:38.220 the first thing

00:08:38.660 would be the fact

00:08:39.200 that he looks

00:08:39.640 like a third grader

00:08:40.700 who's posing

00:08:41.480 for the,

00:08:42.020 you know,

00:08:42.280 you always have

00:08:42.920 the public school

00:08:43.560 pictures and they

00:08:44.380 have you put

00:08:45.160 the awkward

00:08:45.660 hand on your shoulder

00:08:46.800 because you're

00:08:48.180 in third grade

00:08:49.540 and you don't

00:08:49.900 know what to do

00:08:50.460 with your hands

00:08:50.960 and your face.

00:08:52.060 Like,

00:08:52.420 I think that's right.

00:08:54.760 You have this

00:08:55.500 dynamic where

00:08:57.240 it's people

00:08:58.140 who have only

00:08:58.720 mocked this,

00:08:59.460 who have no

00:09:00.180 relationship to this.

00:09:01.380 They don't have

00:09:02.000 no idea what

00:09:02.920 this would look

00:09:03.340 like in real life.

00:09:04.600 If you had told

00:09:05.400 me this was a

00:09:06.060 Babylon Bee

00:09:06.940 parody of the

00:09:08.220 Harris campaign,

00:09:08.920 I 100% would

00:09:09.680 have believed you,

00:09:10.320 right?

00:09:10.480 If one of our

00:09:11.160 guys had cut

00:09:11.800 this and been

00:09:12.420 like,

00:09:12.980 yeah,

00:09:13.240 mocking what

00:09:14.680 the Harris

00:09:15.420 campaign would

00:09:16.360 put out for

00:09:16.900 this or someone

00:09:17.540 related to them,

00:09:18.500 someone supporting

00:09:19.060 them would put

00:09:19.420 out,

00:09:20.020 I would 100%

00:09:21.120 agree that this

00:09:21.760 is what it

00:09:22.060 would look like

00:09:22.520 and yet this

00:09:23.600 is unironically

00:09:24.760 what they put

00:09:25.360 forward.

00:09:25.840 But yeah,

00:09:26.180 let's play a

00:09:26.960 little bit more

00:09:27.440 of this before

00:09:27.920 we dive into

00:09:28.560 the deeper issues.

00:09:29.600 Women,

00:09:29.780 they want to

00:09:30.120 control their bodies?

00:09:31.000 I say go

00:09:31.980 for it.

00:09:32.560 They want to

00:09:32.820 use IVF to

00:09:33.380 start a family?

00:09:34.420 I'm not afraid

00:09:34.960 of families.

00:09:35.580 They want to

00:09:35.940 be childless

00:09:36.500 cat ladies?

00:09:37.260 Have all the

00:09:37.940 cats you want.

00:09:38.840 Woman wants to

00:09:39.320 be president?

00:09:40.000 Well,

00:09:40.240 I hope she has

00:09:40.760 the guts to

00:09:41.280 look me right

00:09:41.800 in the eye and

00:09:42.360 accept my

00:09:42.880 full-throated

00:09:43.620 endorsement.

00:09:44.240 Because I'm

00:09:44.760 man enough to

00:09:45.300 support...

00:09:45.700 What an unfortunate

00:09:47.020 turn of phrase

00:09:48.100 from that gentleman.

00:09:50.760 I'm full-throated.

00:09:52.540 Full-throated.

00:09:53.800 Are you going to

00:09:54.920 look me in the

00:09:55.540 eyes when I give

00:09:56.340 my full throat

00:09:57.200 to you?

00:09:57.880 Just all the

00:09:59.580 endorsement that

00:10:00.440 she can take

00:10:01.220 from him.

00:10:01.800 Yeah,

00:10:01.940 that's the...

00:10:03.160 Oh boy.

00:10:04.100 This has the

00:10:05.580 subtlety of a

00:10:06.280 Led Zeppelin song.

00:10:07.260 Man enough to

00:10:09.580 know what kind

00:10:10.240 of donuts I like.

00:10:11.360 Man enough to

00:10:11.980 admit I'm lost

00:10:12.860 even when I

00:10:13.560 refuse to ask

00:10:14.220 for directions.

00:10:15.060 Man enough to

00:10:15.660 not...

00:10:16.120 And that's how

00:10:16.920 you know this

00:10:17.580 is women

00:10:18.760 writing men.

00:10:19.840 Like, you know,

00:10:20.300 there's the

00:10:20.900 feminist critique

00:10:22.740 of all literature

00:10:23.500 is just, you know,

00:10:24.460 men can't write

00:10:25.020 women, they don't

00:10:25.600 understand it,

00:10:26.240 it's always

00:10:26.460 sense all...

00:10:27.120 It's...

00:10:27.740 He's making...

00:10:28.500 They're using a

00:10:29.340 joke that is

00:10:30.100 told to degrade

00:10:31.120 men and try to

00:10:32.260 make that relatable

00:10:33.140 to make men

00:10:33.960 degrade.

00:10:34.460 It's like, no,

00:10:35.060 this is a way

00:10:36.120 you mock men,

00:10:36.920 but you hate

00:10:37.800 men so much

00:10:38.400 you can't even

00:10:39.180 keep that out

00:10:40.180 of there.

00:10:40.480 Like, you think

00:10:40.900 that is somehow

00:10:41.400 playful, but,

00:10:42.660 you know, it's

00:10:43.560 obviously not

00:10:44.480 said in any

00:10:45.180 good...

00:10:45.340 It's almost...

00:10:46.220 I mean, a lot

00:10:47.560 of these things

00:10:48.040 almost kind of

00:10:48.720 also feel like

00:10:49.700 they take after

00:10:51.100 the Red Staters

00:10:52.480 making fun of

00:10:53.100 themselves, too,

00:10:53.780 the kind of

00:10:54.020 like Jeff Fox

00:10:54.860 worthy cable

00:10:56.320 guy kind of

00:10:57.460 stand-up humor,

00:10:58.500 the Redneck

00:10:59.100 stand-up humor

00:10:59.820 as well.

00:11:00.960 These jokes

00:11:01.780 were, at one

00:11:03.400 point, kind

00:11:04.260 of...

00:11:05.400 They were kind

00:11:06.820 of people

00:11:07.360 making fun

00:11:07.880 of themselves

00:11:08.460 at one

00:11:09.040 stage.

00:11:10.000 But the

00:11:10.360 problem

00:11:10.700 is that

00:11:11.460 when you try

00:11:12.340 to appeal

00:11:15.800 to people

00:11:16.300 earnestly

00:11:16.940 about a

00:11:17.340 serious issue

00:11:18.080 using kind

00:11:19.380 of the

00:11:19.800 self-deprecation

00:11:21.560 they use

00:11:21.980 for themselves,

00:11:22.480 it comes out

00:11:23.160 really condescendingly.

00:11:24.600 Well, the trick

00:11:25.600 about self-deprecating

00:11:26.480 is you have

00:11:27.000 to deprecate

00:11:27.580 yourself.

00:11:28.880 It has to be

00:11:29.300 a joke

00:11:29.580 about you,

00:11:30.860 not a joke

00:11:31.300 about the

00:11:31.720 people you

00:11:32.560 are trying

00:11:33.120 to influence,

00:11:33.900 the people

00:11:34.300 you are

00:11:34.620 trying to

00:11:35.540 draw to

00:11:36.000 you.

00:11:36.440 That just

00:11:37.000 seems hostile

00:11:37.660 and cruel.

00:11:38.580 This is why

00:11:39.600 if this had

00:11:41.260 been done

00:11:41.980 with more

00:11:42.720 satire and

00:11:43.620 less seriousness,

00:11:45.340 then it would

00:11:47.100 have actually

00:11:47.480 kind of worked

00:11:48.160 if they'd

00:11:48.760 really walked

00:11:49.660 into the

00:11:50.080 wackiness,

00:11:51.140 like literally

00:11:51.540 made them

00:11:52.020 gay or

00:11:52.500 something like

00:11:52.980 that,

00:11:53.340 or literally

00:11:53.820 be wearing

00:11:54.520 women's

00:11:55.680 clothing or

00:11:56.380 something like

00:11:57.680 that,

00:11:57.920 where it was

00:11:58.160 obviously supposed

00:11:59.020 to be a joke.

00:11:59.960 The problem

00:12:00.340 is this falls

00:12:00.960 into the

00:12:01.400 classic

00:12:01.800 Uncanny

00:12:02.340 Valley

00:12:02.640 problem,

00:12:03.280 but Uncanny

00:12:03.760 Valley,

00:12:04.940 obviously it's

00:12:05.800 meant to

00:12:06.220 talk about

00:12:07.620 representations

00:12:08.280 of humanity

00:12:09.000 in digital

00:12:09.560 mediums,

00:12:10.860 and how

00:12:11.360 when things

00:12:11.860 look almost

00:12:12.420 human but

00:12:12.800 not quite,

00:12:13.640 they really

00:12:14.100 creep people

00:12:14.680 out,

00:12:15.600 unlike cartoon

00:12:16.580 characters which

00:12:17.280 look massively

00:12:18.140 unhuman and

00:12:19.380 don't creep

00:12:19.840 people out.

00:12:20.980 The reason

00:12:21.740 why this is

00:12:22.320 such a

00:12:23.500 cringe clip

00:12:24.600 is that

00:12:25.740 it's trying

00:12:27.620 to deceive

00:12:28.140 you into

00:12:28.440 thinking that

00:12:28.880 these people

00:12:29.360 are people

00:12:30.660 who they

00:12:31.000 are obviously

00:12:31.540 not.

00:12:32.480 And it

00:12:33.220 doesn't work

00:12:34.880 without that

00:12:35.700 pretense.

00:12:36.860 There's not

00:12:37.420 enough humor

00:12:37.960 in this for

00:12:39.160 it to be

00:12:39.760 aware of the

00:12:40.380 fact that

00:12:40.780 it's fake.

00:12:41.800 It's just

00:12:42.200 trying to

00:12:42.540 deceive people

00:12:43.140 and doing it

00:12:43.620 in a really,

00:12:44.260 really obvious

00:12:44.700 way.

00:12:46.140 All right,

00:12:46.700 let's see if

00:12:47.140 we can get

00:12:47.560 through the

00:12:47.860 rest of this

00:12:48.420 here.

00:12:48.860 Ban young

00:12:49.540 women from

00:12:50.060 reading

00:12:50.440 little women.

00:12:51.160 Or one of

00:12:51.500 those pants

00:12:52.020 books that

00:12:52.540 the sisters

00:12:52.980 like.

00:12:53.540 I'm man

00:12:53.840 enough to

00:12:54.200 raw dog a

00:12:54.840 flight.

00:12:55.500 It sucked.

00:12:56.520 Not worth

00:12:57.180 it.

00:12:57.780 I'm man

00:12:58.160 enough to be

00:12:58.660 emotional in

00:12:59.280 front of my

00:12:59.680 wife.

00:13:00.020 In front of

00:13:00.580 my kids.

00:13:01.280 In front of

00:13:01.560 my horse.

00:13:03.380 I'm man

00:13:03.900 enough to

00:13:04.220 tell you that

00:13:04.560 I cry at

00:13:05.340 Love Actually.

00:13:06.100 Goodwill

00:13:06.420 hunting.

00:13:07.420 Again, like,

00:13:08.360 sorry, I know

00:13:08.960 we're supposed to

00:13:09.400 make it through

00:13:09.840 here, but it's

00:13:10.440 so bad.

00:13:11.080 Like, it's all

00:13:12.520 the things that

00:13:13.420 women want to

00:13:14.800 project onto

00:13:15.340 men.

00:13:15.680 Like, this is

00:13:16.120 what a good

00:13:16.500 man looks like.

00:13:17.340 This is how,

00:13:17.940 this is what

00:13:18.260 masculinity should

00:13:19.020 look like.

00:13:19.800 So you're not

00:13:20.280 appealing to the

00:13:21.300 people.

00:13:21.840 You're lecturing the

00:13:22.960 people you're

00:13:23.520 trying to appeal

00:13:24.320 to.

00:13:24.600 You're sitting

00:13:25.180 down and

00:13:25.680 saying, well,

00:13:26.440 while I'm here

00:13:27.120 telling you to

00:13:27.700 vote for me,

00:13:28.260 actually, what I

00:13:29.040 want you to

00:13:29.620 be is this

00:13:30.720 guy who sees

00:13:32.280 masculinity as

00:13:33.160 just being, you

00:13:34.180 know, bourbon

00:13:34.600 consumption and

00:13:35.560 the, you know,

00:13:36.120 temperature of

00:13:36.680 their steak and

00:13:37.600 otherwise is

00:13:38.420 entirely feminine.

00:13:39.320 Yeah, I want

00:13:40.180 you to clean up

00:13:40.740 after yourself and

00:13:41.600 do the laundry

00:13:42.380 and do dishes

00:13:43.500 for once.

00:13:44.640 It's like the,

00:13:45.360 it's like the

00:13:45.800 wife complaints

00:13:46.540 about, it's also

00:13:48.780 kind of weirdly

00:13:49.480 out of place too

00:13:50.660 in terms of

00:13:51.300 generational

00:13:52.140 affectations.

00:13:53.380 You had kind of

00:13:54.260 like with that

00:13:55.060 whole raw dog

00:13:55.840 thing, you had

00:13:56.320 kind of a, an

00:13:57.560 older millennial

00:13:58.500 snark thing where

00:14:00.020 he kind of broke

00:14:00.800 character and went

00:14:01.500 isn't worth it,

00:14:02.540 you know, commenting

00:14:03.840 on his own, on his

00:14:05.280 own thing that he

00:14:06.360 did in a very

00:14:07.080 millennial way.

00:14:07.880 But at the same

00:14:08.360 time you have like

00:14:08.960 this series of

00:14:10.020 Boomer and Gen X

00:14:11.220 husband and wife

00:14:12.800 jokes that

00:14:13.600 obviously come from

00:14:15.160 people who were at

00:14:16.040 one point married

00:14:16.920 and it's crammed

00:14:18.120 together here.

00:14:19.420 It's horrible.

00:14:21.000 West side story,

00:14:22.040 that and

00:14:22.860 predator.

00:14:23.380 And I'm sick of

00:14:23.960 so-called men

00:14:24.960 domineering, belittling

00:14:26.420 and controlling women

00:14:27.540 just so they can

00:14:28.500 feel more powerful.

00:14:29.640 That's not how my

00:14:30.420 mama raised me.

00:14:31.400 I love women.

00:14:32.280 I love women who

00:14:33.020 support their families.

00:14:34.240 Women who decide

00:14:35.000 not to have families.

00:14:36.160 Women who take

00:14:36.720 charge.

00:14:37.360 And I'm man enough

00:14:38.160 to help them

00:14:38.820 win.

00:14:42.760 Yeah, so it's the

00:14:44.120 hand, the hands

00:14:44.860 on that guy, the

00:14:45.700 hands that, the, the

00:14:47.940 fold, the, the, the

00:14:49.220 hands that are folded

00:14:50.000 neatly on his, uh, on

00:14:52.120 his supposedly rugged,

00:14:53.360 but too tight fitting

00:14:54.400 jeans while he sits in

00:14:55.300 the back of a pickup

00:14:55.960 truck.

00:14:56.440 Uh, that is a man who

00:14:57.600 could tell you the

00:14:58.140 difference.

00:14:58.900 That is a man who

00:14:59.480 could tell you the

00:14:59.840 difference between a, uh,

00:15:01.200 a doily and a tea

00:15:02.420 cozy.

00:15:02.860 Okay.

00:15:03.020 That is definitely the

00:15:04.480 genre of man that they

00:15:06.140 are actually employing in

00:15:07.500 the sad, despite, uh, all

00:15:09.140 the other tropes that

00:15:09.980 they're trying to move in

00:15:10.840 there.

00:15:11.040 So obviously funny to, to

00:15:13.420 point out, we can get

00:15:14.200 deeper into that ad of

00:15:15.320 things you want to tear

00:15:16.720 apart.

00:15:17.020 But ultimately the

00:15:18.120 larger question here is

00:15:20.180 the, the problem that

00:15:21.780 Democrats are facing

00:15:22.660 because you have been

00:15:25.420 able for a very long

00:15:26.380 time in this culture to

00:15:27.940 just abuse men, say

00:15:29.480 whatever you want, deride

00:15:31.020 them, you know, uh, tell

00:15:32.500 them that they need to be

00:15:33.260 something else.

00:15:34.260 Tell them that they're

00:15:35.040 basically useless.

00:15:36.000 Well, you can drop out of

00:15:36.880 society.

00:15:37.600 You can die of a drug

00:15:38.880 overdose.

00:15:39.260 We really don't care.

00:15:40.480 It's time to move you

00:15:41.360 aside, make room for all

00:15:43.080 the girl bosses, like

00:15:44.220 you're, you're just not

00:15:45.100 important anymore.

00:15:46.380 And they've been doing

00:15:47.120 this for decades at this

00:15:48.860 point.

00:15:49.140 And it's only accelerated

00:15:50.420 every time, you know,

00:15:51.180 it's every aspect of, of,

00:15:53.540 uh, masculinity is toxic,

00:15:55.020 all these things.

00:15:55.740 And suddenly they realize,

00:15:56.840 Oh, actually at some

00:15:57.880 point we do mean men

00:15:59.140 devote for us.

00:15:59.760 They are actually half of

00:16:00.700 the population.

00:16:02.100 We hope you're enjoying

00:16:02.860 your air Canada flight

00:16:03.960 Rocky's vacation.

00:16:05.280 Here we come.

00:16:06.840 Whoa.

00:16:07.520 Is this economy free beer,

00:16:09.700 wine and snacks, sweet

00:16:12.120 fast, free wifi means I

00:16:13.960 can make dinner

00:16:14.440 reservations before we

00:16:15.780 land.

00:16:16.260 And with live TV, I'm

00:16:18.120 not missing the game.

00:16:19.340 It's kind of like I'm

00:16:20.900 already on vacation.

00:16:22.920 Nice.

00:16:23.860 On behalf of their

00:16:24.940 Canada, nice travels.

00:16:27.020 Wifi available to

00:16:27.920 airplane members on

00:16:28.640 equipped flights sponsored

00:16:29.400 by bell conditions

00:16:30.140 apply.

00:16:30.540 See your Canada.com.

00:16:31.820 And there is a

00:16:32.480 meaningful percentage of

00:16:33.600 our vote that does

00:16:34.360 actually come from this

00:16:35.720 base.

00:16:36.320 And so the reason I

00:16:37.900 wanted to have you on

00:16:38.500 was really to have this,

00:16:39.480 this deeper discussion of

00:16:40.600 can, is this a, you

00:16:42.900 know, like a political,

00:16:43.840 uh, you know, a fatal

00:16:46.460 wound for the left

00:16:47.800 ultimately, the fact that

00:16:48.920 they have created this

00:16:49.700 environment.

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00:17:52.720 Well, like all kind of

00:17:54.360 election questions, this

00:17:56.460 is a horse rage

00:17:58.820 politic issue that's

00:18:00.120 standing in front of a

00:18:01.100 much more significant

00:18:02.580 demographic pattern that

00:18:05.860 is going to kind of

00:18:06.720 dominate the next

00:18:08.480 20, perhaps the next

00:18:10.380 century, which is the

00:18:12.340 20 years or 100 years

00:18:14.040 or whatever, which is

00:18:15.180 the divergence in political

00:18:16.340 opinion between men and

00:18:17.740 women.

00:18:18.680 This is something that a

00:18:20.260 lot of thinkers have

00:18:21.060 commented about.

00:18:21.960 The one that I want to

00:18:23.700 point readers in the

00:18:25.120 direction of the most

00:18:25.840 prominently is a blogger

00:18:27.160 called Aaron Ren, not to

00:18:30.100 be confused with your name,

00:18:31.300 Aaron, who writes about the

00:18:33.580 divergence between men and

00:18:35.780 women politically, or

00:18:36.760 young men and young

00:18:37.660 women, where starting

00:18:39.080 around the Great

00:18:40.300 Awakening, the big change

00:18:43.340 in social patterns that we

00:18:44.580 saw in American life

00:18:45.680 around 2012, 2013, young

00:18:50.440 men and in particular

00:18:51.760 young women started

00:18:53.340 becoming radicalized in

00:18:55.560 different directions.

00:18:56.720 And this phenomenon

00:18:57.560 certainly begins with

00:18:58.720 women, which makes it

00:18:59.980 very, very unusual.

00:19:00.920 Most, most phenomenons

00:19:02.660 ideologically begin with

00:19:03.880 young men, historically

00:19:05.520 speaking.

00:19:06.820 But around 2013, young

00:19:09.120 women become very, very,

00:19:10.720 very progressive and young

00:19:12.740 men stay static or become

00:19:16.180 slightly more conservative,

00:19:17.480 which has led to this huge

00:19:18.980 gap in how each party is

00:19:21.800 arraigned themselves or

00:19:23.240 align themselves according to

00:19:24.680 various issues.

00:19:26.340 And from the Democrat

00:19:27.040 Party point of view, this

00:19:29.120 essentially means having a

00:19:30.580 leadership class that has

00:19:32.920 functionally no organic male

00:19:34.820 support after almost a

00:19:36.800 decade of walking into

00:19:38.440 these trends and doubling

00:19:39.940 down on the kind of

00:19:41.760 sentiment that is uplifted

00:19:45.740 or that's kind of put

00:19:46.700 forward by these more

00:19:47.740 feminist perspectives, which

00:19:49.200 is seen correctly by the

00:19:52.480 Democrat Party as the key to

00:19:54.280 capturing this new pattern in

00:19:59.180 female behavior, where they

00:20:00.360 become much, much, much more

00:20:01.820 progressive.

00:20:03.120 And I think that this is what

00:20:04.260 you're saying is, and this is

00:20:06.560 this, I, you probably could do

00:20:08.400 five podcasts on the

00:20:09.900 consequences of this.

00:20:11.540 So I don't know how much you

00:20:12.500 want to get into it or what

00:20:13.460 dimension you want to talk

00:20:15.100 about, but this is the

00:20:17.620 Democrat or mainstream

00:20:19.160 coalition or ruling class

00:20:21.260 realizing, albeit very slowly,

00:20:23.860 this year in 2024, that there's

00:20:27.040 going to be something very, very

00:20:28.620 destabilizing about having a

00:20:31.040 ruling coalition where men are

00:20:33.240 just effectively an outgroup.

00:20:35.620 This, this is going to be a

00:20:37.500 very, very difficult coalition

00:20:39.020 to rule.

00:20:40.120 It's going to be a difficult

00:20:41.360 coalition to sort of project

00:20:44.580 populist power or look like you

00:20:46.960 have the majority people

00:20:48.320 standing behind you.

00:20:49.320 A bunch of key demographics like

00:20:51.480 African-American men.

00:20:53.620 I don't think there's really any

00:20:55.000 danger of the Democrats losing

00:20:56.620 African-American men, but there

00:20:58.540 is a danger and probably

00:21:00.380 already has happened with them

00:21:02.200 very decisively losing the

00:21:04.180 enthusiasm of African-American

00:21:06.320 men.

00:21:07.120 Right.

00:21:07.420 It's turning, it's turnout not,

00:21:08.840 you know, they're not going to

00:21:09.440 go vote Trump, but they're just

00:21:10.960 not going to vote.

00:21:12.100 They're not going to vote.

00:21:13.180 But then, then also there's sort

00:21:14.520 of the cultural impact of that

00:21:17.260 where it doesn't really seem like

00:21:19.280 the Democratic Party is the party

00:21:21.100 of black people, which is actually

00:21:23.320 a very strong thing.

00:21:25.000 Having a coalition, this is what

00:21:26.660 has made historically the

00:21:27.960 African-American section of this

00:21:30.940 country very powerful politically,

00:21:32.680 even though it was very weak

00:21:33.980 socially and very weak economically,

00:21:36.020 is that they always vote in block

00:21:37.780 and having the black community

00:21:39.340 seem to be standing behind you

00:21:41.540 in a realistic way.

00:21:42.700 And that's not, that's not an

00:21:43.660 illusion of the Democratic Party,

00:21:45.160 no matter how many times the

00:21:46.240 Republicans say the Dems are

00:21:47.440 the real racists.

00:21:48.440 That is an actual political reality.

00:21:50.480 But having that, having the

00:21:53.460 Democrat Party not being able to

00:21:56.000 say realistically, they can always

00:21:58.140 say whatever they want, not having

00:22:00.320 them be able to realistically put

00:22:02.120 themselves forward as the party of

00:22:03.820 black Americans, but rather the

00:22:05.780 party of pretty much only black

00:22:08.200 women enthusiastically, that's a huge

00:22:10.960 blow to their image.

00:22:12.500 And that creates a sort of narrative

00:22:14.480 vacuum that's just asking to be

00:22:16.860 filled by some other counter-elite.

00:22:19.040 Someone is just, you know, the power

00:22:21.740 is just there on the floor.

00:22:22.900 Anybody could kind of waltz in

00:22:24.640 and take that group, excuse the

00:22:30.100 enthusiasm of African-American men,

00:22:33.280 and immediately be the center of a

00:22:35.480 different kind of elite that could

00:22:36.960 potentially come in and replace the

00:22:39.740 reigning Democrat Party, which you go

00:22:42.860 over this all the time on your show,

00:22:44.100 so I don't need to explain it.

00:22:45.140 The Democrat Party effectively rules

00:22:47.660 most ruling, most of the ruling

00:22:50.020 class in America today.

00:22:52.780 So what do you think ultimately is

00:22:55.320 going to be the response or who do

00:22:57.940 you think, is there anyone who can

00:22:59.340 fill that void?

00:23:00.240 Because as you said, the crown is kind

00:23:01.740 of in the gutter, particularly with

00:23:03.880 that demographic.

00:23:04.820 I mean, there's obviously the actions

00:23:07.320 that Trump have taken in many ways.

00:23:09.140 He garnered a lot of political momentum

00:23:11.880 for his willingness to pick that crown

00:23:14.340 out of the gutter for a lot of middle

00:23:16.560 class whites and working class whites.

00:23:18.320 I think that's a lot of people who

00:23:20.400 weren't being spoken to in the middle

00:23:22.020 of the country, and that allowed him

00:23:24.740 to gain a lot of momentum.

00:23:26.740 That's one of the reasons that he feels

00:23:28.640 so dangerous to the left and even parts

00:23:31.400 of the conservative establishment, because

00:23:33.180 he was willing to speak to a part of

00:23:35.120 America, let's be really honest here,

00:23:36.940 which was supposed to die.

00:23:38.440 Like these people were supposed to be

00:23:39.860 phased out.

00:23:40.400 They're supposed to be replaced.

00:23:41.740 Bill Clinton keeps accidentally saying

00:23:43.720 this on the campaign trail while

00:23:45.080 trying to support Kamala Harris.

00:23:47.680 You know, the Democrats are not very

00:23:49.180 good at hiding this fact, no matter

00:23:50.460 how many times they kind of get

00:23:51.880 hysterical about this.

00:23:53.080 So is that a phenomenon that could reach

00:23:55.100 just outside that demographic?

00:23:56.680 Is there a way in which Trump or someone

00:23:58.820 after Trump could fold that into the

00:24:00.820 Republican coalition or a new right-wing

00:24:03.040 coalition?

00:24:03.540 Or is that just too far?

00:24:04.840 Are they just never going to get that

00:24:05.920 demographic just due to the political

00:24:08.380 realities in the United States?

00:24:10.460 I mean, I think, I really think that

00:24:13.020 the key here is to see yourself as a

00:24:16.200 collective group with interests.

00:24:18.460 The reason why, I mean, the Democrats

00:24:20.500 have been saying this for years, that

00:24:22.080 they would really like a Republican

00:24:23.400 party that was more populist, that was

00:24:26.000 more focused on economic issues, that

00:24:28.080 was more interested in keeping American

00:24:30.380 jobs, kind of like the old Eisenhower

00:24:32.920 post-war right, which is in itself kind of

00:24:35.920 artificial.

00:24:36.660 They were saying this for years in books

00:24:38.400 like What's the Matter with Kansas and

00:24:40.660 half a dozen other articles that used to

00:24:42.440 run in the Atlantic Monthly.

00:24:44.800 And then when someone comes around and

00:24:47.000 actually looks like that organically, like

00:24:49.440 Trump, they, pardon my French, it's a

00:24:52.340 family show, they lose their shit.

00:24:53.840 And the reason why they lose their shit is

00:24:56.740 because this style of politics encourages

00:24:59.780 right America or the parts of America that

00:25:04.120 are oppositional to the reigning ideas of the

00:25:07.100 ruling class to see themselves collectively.

00:25:09.300 And not simply as a group of individuals who

00:25:12.380 have various issues that they're chasing

00:25:14.380 after.

00:25:15.520 And once you see yourself collectively, you

00:25:18.660 become much more of a dangerous political

00:25:20.840 entity to the ruling class.

00:25:24.180 Because a potential counter-ruling class

00:25:29.440 cannot so easily unify the community of

00:25:33.100 African-American men and the community of

00:25:36.560 people who want lower taxes.

00:25:38.120 Because the community of people who want

00:25:40.060 lower taxes or who believe in small

00:25:42.200 government aren't a real community.

00:25:44.280 They're people who are organized around

00:25:45.860 certain issues.

00:25:46.900 But a counter-elite can quite easily, in my

00:25:51.620 opinion, can quite easily pull together the

00:25:55.080 interests of African-American men as a

00:25:57.740 community and the community of white rural

00:26:00.660 people or the community of white working

00:26:02.960 class people or the community of variety of

00:26:06.320 different religious minorities, most of whom

00:26:08.600 are white in this country.

00:26:10.580 Those collective interests can much more easily

00:26:13.440 be put into a coalition because, well, largely

00:26:17.520 because their complaints and grievances against

00:26:19.900 the order are much more primal and much more

00:26:23.060 basic.

00:26:24.180 They want a government that is, in presentation

00:26:29.120 and in reality, aligned to their interests.

00:26:33.240 They don't want to have some level of GDP growth or

00:26:37.020 some percentage of taxation or something that is

00:26:40.300 more, something that would come out of the Cato

00:26:42.280 Institute and a line goes up here, line goes down

00:26:45.820 there.

00:26:46.640 And I think that's sort of the key to coming up

00:26:49.580 with an alternative ruling class.

00:26:52.540 I think, and not to ramble here, I think the

00:26:55.540 problem really lies more on the Democratic side.

00:26:58.680 I actually, I might, I'm not trying to be a

00:27:01.460 blackpiller, but I actually think that Kamala is

00:27:04.180 still the odds on favor to win and not least of

00:27:07.300 which because there's all these avenues for

00:27:09.480 fortification, as the young people put it, that, that

00:27:12.680 lie in 2024, just as they existed in 2020.

00:27:17.040 So I'm not even so sure that all of this panic

00:27:19.580 having to do with losing men is, is so much a panic

00:27:22.740 about having a 5% probability drop in, in winning the

00:27:27.760 2024 general election.

00:27:29.700 I think the panic is coming from their realization of

00:27:33.860 the reality of what their coalition is going to look like

00:27:37.620 after 2024.

00:27:39.860 Elon Musk supporting Trump is huge.

00:27:43.500 It's huge because Elon Musk is very obviously a ruling

00:27:48.920 class person, an elite person who has many men and many very

00:27:53.720 prominent and powerful men who would like to model their

00:27:56.780 careers and their lives after him.

00:27:59.000 Him being an explicit supporter of Trump opens up an entire

00:28:02.320 avenue of people to exist.

00:28:04.420 Even if we lose in 2024, it allows them to exist in a way that

00:28:09.240 shows people how things could be run that are, that don't fall

00:28:13.120 under the purview of the expert consensus, effectively rule

00:28:17.660 by the Democratic Party and its allies and its ideology.

00:28:21.520 This combined with the fact that the current ruling class has,

00:28:27.440 again, no organic male support, makes it really, really unstable.

00:28:31.500 And this commercial that we just watched shows that they have no

00:28:36.620 theory of mind for male voters or any kind of, they have no theory

00:28:44.020 of mind for any of their opponents.

00:28:45.740 The ability of people to imagine what their opponents are thinking,

00:28:49.940 at least when it goes from blue to red, at least as it goes from

00:28:53.260 progressive liberal to conservative, is functionally nothing.

00:28:57.200 This is the problem also with the Trump derangement syndrome people, too.

00:29:02.300 I've subscribed to a number of these blogs.

00:29:04.760 If you're a Substacker like myself, you'll realize quite quickly that the

00:29:09.120 most successful bloggers on Substack are all in this genre that we might

00:29:13.560 call Trump derangement syndrome.

00:29:15.620 They write in histrionic ways about the phenomenon of Trump.

00:29:19.780 But you can read, they publish every day, like, just reams of this stuff.

00:29:25.620 But no matter how much they talk about Trump, they never try to think like an

00:29:31.280 actual supporter of Trump.

00:29:33.040 And the reason why they don't think, try to think like an actual Trump

00:29:37.080 supporter is that they can't think like an actual Trump supporter.

00:29:42.180 Something fundamentally about their coalition and the nature of their coalition

00:29:46.200 demands that they not have this avenue to their own empathy.

00:29:50.700 It's a systems problem, not a people problem.

00:29:55.460 To be a little abstract about it.

00:29:58.280 So when we look at this dynamic and, you know, the theory of mind issue is,

00:30:06.040 you know, I think in many ways simply, you know, the conservatives live in a,

00:30:10.640 their right wingers live in a left wing world, right?

00:30:13.540 They have to, you have to understand at least to some degree how the left

00:30:17.740 operates, because if you don't, you'll just lose your job, right?

00:30:20.460 Like, even if you don't agree with the regime, you have to be able to navigate

00:30:23.720 social situations in which you can speak the regime's language, at least to a

00:30:27.760 certain extent, because if you don't, you're going to get blown away, right?

00:30:31.240 Like, that's why job sites, you know, are much more right wing construction sites

00:30:36.940 are much more right wing than, you know, any given office job.

00:30:40.440 Because the guys there are people who generally are like so unable to play the

00:30:45.880 game that they just opt into a profession where they don't have to, right?

00:30:49.580 They just don't have to say these things.

00:30:51.420 They don't have to navigate it.

00:30:52.640 But for people who want to move closer to the ruling elite, who want to move into

00:30:56.780 these information systems jobs, these other jobs that are often considered more

00:31:01.080 influential or higher status, they have to be able to play this game.

00:31:04.800 So I think, you know, that, that, you know, there's lots of, there's, we could go deeper

00:31:08.560 into why they can't kind of put this together.

00:31:10.760 But I think that in and of itself is an, is often enough as a right winger, you have to

00:31:16.160 be able to understand at least to some degree, the left, the left do not have to do that.

00:31:20.280 They can live in entire worlds where they, their job, their social relationships are no

00:31:25.060 way dependent in understanding a right wing world worldview.

00:31:28.100 And this only gets worse when we talk about masculinity, because I think it's a good point

00:31:32.460 that Elon Musk changes the game significantly.

00:31:34.540 I actually just wrote a piece that'll be coming out soon about, you know, the people who are

00:31:38.840 concerned about space travel being coded right wing, right?

00:31:42.060 There's a lot of people after this last successful SpaceX launch saying what has happened that now

00:31:48.380 it seems like the Republicans and JD Vance and Elon Musk, they control the impetus to explore

00:31:55.000 space and the, you know, this, and it's like, well, yes, of course, because you've

00:31:58.080 turned everything about this, uh, basically illegal, like everything about what Elon Musk

00:32:04.520 is doing right now, stripping out the bureaucracy, not appealing to experts, you know, building

00:32:09.320 something about, you know, building on competence.

00:32:11.380 Like these are all things that you have demonized.

00:32:13.780 These are all masculine behaviors that you feel, uh, are, are danger to your regime, to

00:32:19.140 your way of doing things.

00:32:20.620 And so he represents in a very real way, uh, kind of this struggle, this different way to,

00:32:25.100 to present society, to organize society, to, to frame social ambition that just clashes horribly

00:32:31.540 with your own.

00:32:32.540 And I think that paralyzes them in many ways because they, they recognize that even domains

00:32:38.980 that were often understood as, you know, the start, the, the, the sci-fi progressive Star

00:32:43.380 Trek utopia, like even, you know, the, the desire to go into the stars and discover these

00:32:47.560 things and conquer certain aspects as a society, these are now unavailable to them because of

00:32:52.640 the way they've organized their coalition and the way they frame, uh, how they feel like

00:32:56.420 society has to exist.

00:32:58.700 Yeah, it is.

00:32:59.660 It is quite strange because part, part of it is, as you put it, these things have been

00:33:04.820 illegalized, which is means they've been soft illegalized.

00:33:08.420 They've been disincentivized through how the system is set up.

00:33:12.180 And that's part of government.

00:33:13.540 It's not incorrect in a broader sense to say that they have been semi-illegalized, but the

00:33:20.280 the great mystery in all of this is that there is nothing functionally or objectively or in

00:33:29.280 the abstract that is forcing them to make these errors.

00:33:33.540 These, these are unforced errors.

00:33:35.280 If you were an alien sitting in the position of a Kamala Harris or our ruling class, they

00:33:41.860 could see the same things that we were seeing.

00:33:44.580 You would not make these mistakes.

00:33:46.080 These are easy mistakes to correct.

00:33:48.900 Like I said, if you had a costume director, which is a, this is a blue state profession,

00:33:55.320 right?

00:33:55.480 Someone who does costuming and period analysis.

00:33:59.020 These people work for Hollywood.

00:34:00.600 Half of them are gay.

00:34:01.460 Usually they're, they're always horrible shit libs.

00:34:05.000 If you had them study in the abstract, a culture, and that culture was red state America, they could

00:34:13.660 have watched that commercial and picked out, like we just did 10, 15 things that weren't period

00:34:20.320 appropriate for representing red state American men or masculine American men, just by watching

00:34:26.800 movies.

00:34:28.260 These mistakes are being created.

00:34:31.700 These unforced errors are being created by certain qualities of how our ruling class sees the world

00:34:39.740 in certain blind spots that have emerged necessarily from their coalition.

00:34:44.500 And there, there are certain, there are certain ways about how they have to talk about things

00:34:49.940 and see the world necessary to internally maintaining their coalition that are blinding them to this,

00:34:57.220 that are making it impossible for them to reach out and become the party of space travel.

00:35:03.360 They own NASA.

00:35:05.500 This is not something that they couldn't do, you know, and, and, and NASA is 100% DEI compliant.

00:35:12.260 It, it, it's a, it's an extension of the government.

00:35:14.620 It has been for decades and decades and decades.

00:35:17.180 And it's not just because Elon Musk is a little bit ahead of them in the space race.

00:35:21.260 They own all of the hardware, they have all the scientists, they have all of the engineering

00:35:27.180 departments and universities.

00:35:28.800 There's no way that they could not make the imagistics of space travel part of their coalition,

00:35:34.320 but they can't linguistically, they can't spiritually.

00:35:39.840 This is one of the dimensions of politics that is very hard to express formally about why they're

00:35:45.560 making these errors and why they can't actually see the world in this, in this critical way that,

00:35:51.880 that would essentially solidify their walk on power if they were to do it properly.

00:35:58.560 So going deeper into the male female divide in politics, not just in this particular election

00:36:03.920 cycle, but as you pointed out, this is a much deeper, you know, social sickness that we're

00:36:09.240 going to have to deal with.

00:36:10.280 One of the things that I, one of the ways I've kind of conceived this or thought about

00:36:15.260 this is as the ability of our society to kind of cooperate falls apart, the two genders in

00:36:23.780 particular are running into these different political cul-de-sacs because the race is kind

00:36:30.040 of, how can I exist as the most atomized human being?

00:36:34.960 And for the female, the government fills this role as much as possible.

00:36:39.640 And for the male technology fills this role as much as possible for the male, it is technology

00:36:45.800 that is allowing him to obsolesce the woman.

00:36:48.480 And for the woman, it is government that is allowing her to obsolesce the man.

00:36:53.060 There's a certain moral symmetry about the problems with men or women, you know, like the

00:36:58.680 problems of women on social media kind of broadly mirror the problems of men with pornography.

00:37:04.760 And if I were a pastor or a life coach who's talking to a group of young people, I would

00:37:11.780 be encouraged to emphasize the fundamental symmetry of the male sphere and the female sphere

00:37:19.000 in this regard.

00:37:20.320 I have been struck kind of in an opposite dimension with just the fundamental asymmetry of these two

00:37:27.840 groups now they behave to our current political moment.

00:37:31.960 Men, when they were hit with modernity, at least in the absence of political action that

00:37:38.300 only now seems to be kind of starting up, their reaction to being hit with the heart and

00:37:44.520 modernity is to atomize.

00:37:47.880 Women's response to being hit with the heart and modernity is to politically coalition together

00:37:54.320 into a collective.

00:37:55.420 There was an article by Scott Greer, I believe, about why there will never be a coalition of

00:38:04.360 childless cat men.

00:38:06.960 There will absolutely be a coalition of unmarried women, and this coalition will be an incredibly

00:38:12.560 powerful coalition going into the future for the Democratic Party.

00:38:16.440 It probably will dominate the Democratic Party.

00:38:18.640 And they will probably bleed Muslims, black men, a variety of other Asian ethnicities, certainly

00:38:26.680 Asian men, but they will always have this core group of unmarried progressive women because

00:38:33.540 they're the most organized section of that coalition.

00:38:38.840 Fundamentally, men and women are not conceptualizing politics the same way, or they're not conceptualizing

00:38:45.040 the problems of modernity in the same way, which is why you have part of this divergence.

00:38:50.760 And that's also why I think the character of these two groups is so different.

00:38:56.920 And I think that the key to getting out of this mess is to understand that these two groups

00:39:04.060 are experiencing the same core problem.

00:39:07.520 They're experiencing the same core problem of modernity, of resource excess, of an overbearing

00:39:13.940 central state, and of a decline in the religious and moral perspectives that used to organize

00:39:20.100 humanity's activities in a much more healthy way.

00:39:23.880 So the core problem is the same, but the sociological way that they're reacting to that

00:39:29.160 is fundamentally different.

00:39:31.460 And I think ultimately the solution to men and women behaving in these bad ways is going

00:39:37.320 to have to be different as well.

00:39:38.500 So I don't think there's going to be a collective way where you tell people, you tell women to

00:39:44.980 stop using OnlyFans and men to stop using Pornhub, and then we put the genie back in the bottle.

00:39:51.260 There has to be a fundamental change in how these two sexes interact with politics at a basic

00:39:59.200 level.

00:39:59.560 And I believe that this change will have to begin with men, which is unfortunately quite

00:40:06.360 tragic because they're the sex that is absolutely less organized and less politically aligned

00:40:12.120 than women are.

00:40:14.220 Neither of us are massive fans of democracy, so I might be loading a softball for you here,

00:40:18.960 but I'll ask it anyway.

00:40:20.560 Is this ultimately a consequence of democracy?

00:40:24.540 I mean, you have a situation where, you know, I always think of that Nick Land passage in

00:40:30.620 The Dark Enlightenment where he explains, you know, the dialectic and the way in which it

00:40:34.940 has to, you know, it has to polarize everything.

00:40:38.160 It has to, you know, turn everything into this adversarial content.

00:40:43.900 You need that for prime time.

00:40:46.440 And so eventually, you know, it tears through everything.

00:40:49.640 First, it, you know, destroys communities.

00:40:51.400 It destroys, you know, a general understanding of nation, but inevitably it has to work itself

00:40:55.760 all the way down to the, you know, the family, the core unit of society.

00:41:01.480 Eventually, you have to politicize the male and female relationships themselves because

00:41:05.780 that's the only place that, you know, political energy is even left.

00:41:09.940 It's the only, it's one of the last things you can kind of break apart and create that

00:41:13.540 political dynamism and create that need for the state, that need for government resolution,

00:41:17.740 that antagonism that allows for the democratic process to generate the, you know, kind of

00:41:23.080 momentum it needs.

00:41:24.660 Or is this, or is that maybe putting too much on the system?

00:41:27.960 That is absolutely what's going on at a fundamental level.

00:41:31.440 I mean, it's, I don't know if it's exactly so much like the democratic process.

00:41:37.040 I mean, we, we have a republic just like we did the fact that it, it's more Jacksonian

00:41:42.700 and less as the founders imagined, or the fact that it's post new deal and is sort of

00:41:48.720 more aligned with people's opinions.

00:41:51.260 That's part of the problem.

00:41:52.800 It's, it's the vector of how the fundamental decline is, is reaching out to us.

00:41:58.200 I think, I think that Nick Land really had hit the nail on the head with the whole dialectic

00:42:03.680 perspective.

00:42:04.820 There, there's a certain way of handling conversations and handling discussions of, about how power

00:42:12.540 is, is, is allocated for which the teenage girl of the teenage girl way of viewing the

00:42:20.360 world is optimal.

00:42:21.420 The mean girl way of viewing the world where it's all about being 100%, yeah, 100% public,

00:42:34.400 100% exclusive, but at the same time, consensus building.

00:42:39.020 So you want to get your consensus together and solidify it so that there's absolutely

00:42:44.220 no discussion inside the group, but at the same time you ostracize everyone else and, and

00:42:50.440 twist their wrist to get them to go along with the party line.

00:42:53.460 That is the optimal way to play a game where people have zero ownership over the future,

00:42:59.600 but 100% of, 100% incentive, I should say, to capture the political process through the

00:43:07.140 use of voice rather than choice, which is exactly what the 20th century model of Republican

00:43:12.740 democracy gives us.

00:43:14.180 So this is 100% a consequence of what, what Land discusses when he talks about the dialectic

00:43:21.300 always going towards the left and always going towards maximum disintegration.

00:43:26.360 I think what kind of, what we didn't foresee is just how, how radically that would be divided

00:43:32.500 along the genders.

00:43:33.580 And I think that this is because that sort of perspective on politics is naturally how women

00:43:39.800 see politics at an intuitive level.

00:43:43.360 Now, a lot of the things we were talking about with this commercial, right, you know, what

00:43:46.800 was the first thing that you notice about the commercial is a lot of, a lot of what the

00:43:51.120 men are saying sound like, they sound kind of like what the complaints a wife would have

00:43:56.160 or a daughter would have of, of her dad.

00:43:58.940 Like you spend too much time eating meat.

00:44:01.480 You're, you're not doing your fair share of chores.

00:44:03.940 You don't ask for directions.

00:44:05.320 These are all kind of, these are all kind of complaints that naturally emerge that aren't

00:44:11.640 really political complaints.

00:44:12.900 They're personal complaints about your relationships inside a preexisting system.

00:44:17.620 And now they're being brought to bear on the level of real politics when we decide who's

00:44:22.620 going to actually own power within the system and how we're going to organize ourselves collectively

00:44:28.220 so that our society isn't completely destroyed in the next 100 years.

00:44:32.500 And, and, and these kind of, these kind of complaints, these kind of ways of not to put

00:44:39.960 too much, not to put too fine a point on these, these ways of whining, they're optimized for

00:44:45.200 seizing attention, especially optimized for seizing attention.

00:44:48.920 If you happen to be female, they are absolutely the worst way to approach politics in a serious

00:44:55.580 way at a high level, which is what's supposedly going on when we enter into an election season.

00:45:01.180 And that's, that's the end point of this.

00:45:04.700 I, again, I think the only way that this ends is that it completely fails and is completely

00:45:10.100 replaced.

00:45:11.480 The problem with the symmetrical perspective that you hear from a lot of conservative

00:45:15.780 Christians is the idea is, well, you know, since both men and women are fundamentally

00:45:22.180 wrong, morally speaking.

00:45:24.640 And I think both men and women are fundamentally kind of co-owners of this problem.

00:45:29.120 If we were to be, if we were to be assigning blame for this, because they are both 5% responsible

00:45:36.960 for the problem.

00:45:38.000 They are therefore 50% responsible for the solution.

00:45:41.660 That does not follow.

00:45:43.600 The solution is, is that this kind of bitchy mean girl way of doing politics has to 100% die.

00:45:50.760 And it has to be 100% replaced by a more classic or more real or more masculine way of doing

00:45:59.240 politics that I don't think it's exactly represented by Trump or Elon Musk, but it's represented

00:46:05.480 by the people who are thinking about, okay, so how is the human race actually going to survive

00:46:10.960 the 21st century?

00:46:12.360 Once you ask that question, the fact that J.D.

00:46:16.740 Vance is weird or your dad doesn't like asking for directions or the fact that the way we divided

00:46:22.840 up the household chores isn't fair, those, it's not that those are bad political ideas.

00:46:30.520 It's the fact that they're not political ideas.

00:46:33.220 These are not actually real political questions that we as a collective are asking ourselves going

00:46:39.380 forward, these, these are ways of complaining about life that are designed to maximally appeal

00:46:46.320 inside some kind of artificial conversation we're having with ourselves.

00:46:51.220 And as, uh, as the famous arch reactionary right-wing extremist that sometimes even creeps

00:46:57.760 me out once said, Richard Hanania, female tears win in the marketplace of ideas.

00:47:03.660 You know, that is really important, not, not the fed post here, but let's just, you know,

00:47:10.620 let's put our cards on the table.

00:47:12.300 Part of this is the absence of violence, right?

00:47:14.700 Like that, that there's a massive part of this, you can embrace the style of politics only

00:47:20.760 when you have built a system in which there is no, you believe there is no true existential

00:47:26.600 conflict where you think ultimately, uh, none of this costs anything.

00:47:31.180 There are no real consequences, nothing comes to blows that's when this type of politics

00:47:36.560 wins.

00:47:36.960 You can be the mean girl until someone comes by and, you know, says no and throws you

00:47:42.040 down.

00:47:42.300 Right.

00:47:42.820 And that, and that's the, that's the problem is we have a system now where that is the

00:47:47.360 only way that it's, it's able to interact.

00:47:50.160 This is not to say that there needs to be any form of political violence, but it is to

00:47:53.640 say that when all the, you know, all the questions of, you know, we're not being invaded, you

00:47:58.580 don't have to fight off local, you know, roving barbarians.

00:48:02.360 You don't have to, you know, deal with kind of the day to day realities of physical conflict,

00:48:09.180 conflict, and kind of existential crisis that were just part of human existence, even civilized

00:48:14.080 existence for a very long time.

00:48:16.240 And that leads us into a situation where we feel like the only mode of kind of navigation

00:48:21.720 is this kind of hyper-feminized marketplace of ideas in which, you know, that it really

00:48:27.160 is just the person who can make the snappiest argument and possibly cry gets the, you know,

00:48:31.740 the gold.

00:48:32.160 Yeah, I, I do, I do fundamentally agree with that.

00:48:35.820 And when we could kind of get into an argument about Spenglarian history and the need for

00:48:41.700 violence at some kind of vital level, but to kind of actually, I mean, I think, I do think

00:48:47.400 that this perspective, though, does kind of cripple the conversation, because I think

00:48:53.560 that Nick Land had another essay, another insight from the same essay that we're both

00:48:58.780 referencing, I believe, which is The Dark Enlightenment, although he mentioned this several

00:49:03.660 times.

00:49:04.740 It's, it is, in some sense, the existence of violence, in the sense that, you know, violence

00:49:11.780 is, is, is the ultimate arbiter and violence is real, the, the other more useful way to

00:49:18.100 look at this is long and short feedback loops.

00:49:22.220 That is actually what's going on.

00:49:25.000 So the, the, when we talk about real politics, real politics is a competition over resources.

00:49:31.860 And if we were in a state, Hobbesian state of nature, the decisions we made about how we

00:49:36.600 accumulated those resources would have immediate consequences.

00:49:39.960 I make a bad decision, and immediately it comes back to me in the fact that I either get

00:49:44.860 killed or don't get the resources.

00:49:48.020 Inside civilization, society organizes these feedback loops in certain short ways.

00:49:56.440 The marketplace is one such way, right?

00:49:58.540 You make a bad business decision, and immediately you get a consequence.

00:50:02.200 The legal system is another one of these ways.

00:50:04.180 You make a bad argument, and immediately you get consequences from the judge.

00:50:08.480 Local government is another one of these ways, right?

00:50:11.460 Because local governments are fundamentally resource limited, any poor decision at the

00:50:16.760 local level will immediately feed back to you.

00:50:19.120 This creates a corrective mechanism that is not necessarily Hobbes' bellum, ominous, contra

00:50:24.960 ominous, the war of all against all, but simulates that inside a civilized order.

00:50:29.400 What you see in the Landian perspective is all of these short feedback loop systems being

00:50:35.700 built into one giant feedback loop system, such that no one person making a decision inside

00:50:42.000 the system ever sees the consequences or ever can react to a real consequence in reality.

00:50:48.500 That is what leads to these mean girl games being optimal.

00:50:52.620 Mean girl games are not optimal in a real business environment.

00:50:55.900 Mean girl games, however, are optimal in an HR department that is a subsection of a business

00:51:02.860 that has a total monopoly, because the impact and the cost that that HR department has will

00:51:09.020 be absorbed into the profit bottom line of a giant company, which, of course, will never

00:51:13.540 change.

00:51:14.400 Now, over time, glacially, that will cause the company to collapse.

00:51:18.340 But no decision maker in that system has a feedback loop that's fast enough to feed them

00:51:24.720 back that consequence of their negative actions.

00:51:29.040 So I don't think that, you know, it is absolutely true that violence would solve this problem,

00:51:35.900 in a sense.

00:51:36.700 But really, that's kind of a...

00:51:39.380 I'm going to clip just that.

00:51:40.540 It isn't to be head posty.

00:51:43.600 It does kind of limit our thinking, right?

00:51:46.460 Because it's not necessarily violence that solves the problem.

00:51:49.540 Nuclear war wouldn't solve this problem, because nuclear war's feedback loop is too large.

00:51:54.520 By the time you get the negative consequence of nuclear war, you're already dead.

00:51:58.780 The problem is, is that most common ways of experiencing violence are quick feedback loops.

00:52:04.400 You punch somebody, you get a punch back.

00:52:07.380 You, pardon again, the French, you fuck around, you find out.

00:52:11.800 That's the feedback loop.

00:52:13.840 And violence throughout human history has typically been a short feedback loop, because it needed

00:52:19.280 to be responded to so immediately.

00:52:23.160 If you were some master of the universe that could redesign human society to fix this problem,

00:52:28.800 you would not necessarily need to reintroduce violence, but you would absolutely need to reintroduce

00:52:34.460 some form of consequences for actions such that a political action in one direction

00:52:40.600 was immediately, immediately came in contact with its consequences for the resources

00:52:47.260 and for the well-being of the group generally.

00:52:51.360 And, you know, I don't know how to...

00:52:53.720 I think the problem we're dealing with right now is not how we can bring about the Spenglarian

00:52:59.000 end of civilizations where we redescend into Hobbes' war of all against all.

00:53:05.940 The question for right-wingers is how can we create systems that have tight feedback loops

00:53:11.020 such that responsible, and I'm not going to say male leadership, but masculine politics emerges

00:53:17.780 from that dynamic, and I'm not trying to be misogynistic, but all real politics are masculine

00:53:24.260 politics, and to the extent that women do real politics, like Elizabeth I or Catherine

00:53:32.380 of Medici there, or Cleopatra, they are acting in a masculine role, which is why oftentimes

00:53:37.500 they call themselves kings.

00:53:39.720 And that tight feedback loop, not violence, is the necessary component.

00:53:44.700 So, I was going to try not to get to redo my Spenglar speech, because, you know, I always

00:53:53.000 fall into it when I discuss this topic, but you brought them up too many times, and now

00:53:57.340 I'm forced to go here.

00:53:59.700 But, you know, ultimately, the question, as you point out here, is this something that

00:54:05.680 is fixable, or is this part of a cycle?

00:54:07.980 Are we on?

00:54:08.780 Are we simply riding the tiger?

00:54:10.440 Or is this ultimately something a civilization can turn around?

00:54:15.820 Because, you know, Spenglar doesn't just say that we collapse into the Hobbesian state

00:54:20.880 of nature.

00:54:21.360 He says that we return to the land, right?

00:54:23.880 We enter into this period in the civilizational winter where men and women no longer feel the

00:54:31.260 need to perpetuate their society, no longer fill those roles, naturally, of mother and patriarch.

00:54:37.580 They don't, you know, they look for companionship, they look for pleasure, they look for diversion,

00:54:43.160 they look, you know, they disappear inside unreal spaces, and they simply lose this kind

00:54:48.740 of metaphysical animating spirit that drives a civilization towards perpetuating itself.

00:54:53.900 And the question ultimately is, you know, we can look at this, you know, there are a lot

00:54:58.480 of people have pointed out, our mutual friend Kevin Dolan has put a lot of thought into this

00:55:02.500 when it comes to kind of his pronatalism conference.

00:55:06.460 But one of the things he's pointed out repeatedly is a lot of people are like, oh, well, it's,

00:55:09.800 you know, civilizational solutions, you know, you make sure you have enough, you know, child

00:55:16.080 care, or you make sure that people can afford a home or whatever.

00:55:19.660 And ultimately, that solves the problem, you know, that kind of puts us back on track.

00:55:24.640 And he's pointed out repeatedly that, you know, guys like, you know, Octavian implemented

00:55:30.600 these strategies to no real avail inside the Roman Empire and other civilizations that are

00:55:36.020 going through this problem.

00:55:38.100 So the question is, you know, can we fix this on a societal level?

00:55:42.680 Or is this really just something that, you know, it's one on one, you do the best you can

00:55:47.160 through these cycles.

00:55:48.600 And then, you know, when your civilization emerges on the other side, or whatever comes next

00:55:52.700 comes through, that's actually what changes things.

00:55:55.160 Is there a larger systemic solution?

00:55:58.400 Or is this ultimately just a cycle we're going to go through?

00:56:01.200 And we have to address this on an individual level?

00:56:04.080 Oh, I could do like four podcasts on that question.

00:56:08.240 Well, we've got about five minutes now.

00:56:10.040 Yeah, I mean, so, so, look, I mean, I'm currently reading Julius Evola's Pagan Imperialism,

00:56:16.100 and I'm trying to write a review of it.

00:56:18.540 And the problem is, is that I disagree with Evola a lot.

00:56:20.660 And it's very hard to disagree with Evola or Spengler, because when you disagree with

00:56:24.680 them historically, you know for a fact that they've read all of these primary sources

00:56:29.320 in their original language.

00:56:30.960 They're a product of a way more thorough education system than you are.

00:56:34.800 So when you correct them, in fact, you always get this sense of vertigo.

00:56:38.020 But I do believe that, you know, Spengler suffers from a little bit of autism.

00:56:43.520 He sees the system collapsing and then assumes that everyone inside the system is simultaneously

00:56:51.380 collapsing.

00:56:52.500 This is not how human society works.

00:56:56.100 I'm not saying that as a historian of Spengler's magnitude or literacy in multiple languages.

00:57:04.240 I'm saying that as an experiencer of civilization.

00:57:06.720 What happens inside civilizations is that little microcosms are growing and dying inside the

00:57:15.180 civilizations using their own tiny feedback loops all the time, just like reality itself

00:57:21.700 is a soup of various different chemical reactions going on in different levels.

00:57:26.440 So the entire civilization could be collapsing.

00:57:29.500 But there'll be microcosmic societies bubbling up, coming up with their solutions.

00:57:35.040 And some of those solutions will be the seedbed of new societies and new alternative solutions.

00:57:42.500 Now, all this is not to indicate that we should be retreating into some kind of Rod Dreher-Benedict

00:57:47.600 option like in a bomb shelter.

00:57:49.820 But the solutions that emerge from this period will be microcosmic solutions.

00:57:55.760 They will not be – I can't rule out the fact that Elon Musk won't take control of the

00:58:03.500 thing and try to implement some of these solutions at a grand scale.

00:58:06.900 But I suspect that a lot of these solutions on the micro scale will be implemented first

00:58:13.500 at a much, much lower level.

00:58:15.840 So this kind of extreme pessimism that you see in Spengler where he's telling you that you're

00:58:21.300 the Roman soldier waiting at his post, you know, Vesuvius explodes in Pompeii, that is

00:58:28.120 never the experience of living through these times.

00:58:31.780 It is a little bit for some people.

00:58:34.900 You know, you can definitely see that attitude in a person like Boethius or St. Augustine,

00:58:40.100 who's very aware that they're in a declining empire.

00:58:43.120 For anyone else who's concerned with actually building the society around them, I really don't

00:58:49.120 think that the society is inhabited by this pessimism, even well-educated people.

00:58:54.100 So I really don't think that adopting this mode of pessimism, even being aware of the

00:59:01.180 fact that we are at the end point of this larger system kind of collapsing, is a very

00:59:06.140 useful framework.

00:59:07.860 For the women in question in particular, and this is something that Kevin Dolan has talked

00:59:12.100 about, it's also something that my friend Johan Kurtz from the Becoming Noble, or I can't

00:59:18.340 remember if it's being or becoming noble, Substack writes a lot about.

00:59:22.000 And that is, you know, one failure of the women in question is the failure of modern society.

00:59:28.380 Another failure of the women in question can be seen very readily in the right wing.

00:59:32.420 And I'm not talking about the conservatives, I'm talking about our side of the right wing.

00:59:36.820 It is very difficult to know what role women can take inside the kind of alternative mode

00:59:45.420 of politics that we talk about and experience from day to day.

00:59:49.260 It's very, very hard to integrate the female perspective into that environment.

00:59:55.420 And it's very difficult to figure out what roles we should be offering to women.

01:00:00.580 The role certainly cannot be, go be a housewife and don't do anything else.

01:00:06.860 But it also can be, let's reorganize our politics around who's mean and who's seen, or who's seen

01:00:13.840 as mean and creepy and a loser in this week versus who is seen as a highly agentic, high

01:00:20.540 human capital individual.

01:00:21.980 We can't have this sort of longhouse, mean girl style thinking either.

01:00:25.860 And so the reason why I mentioned Johan Kurtz is that he correctly focuses the question

01:00:31.680 on the issue of pronatalism and encouraging people to settle down and have families is

01:00:37.980 a question of status and a question of reliability.

01:00:42.520 The person who will be able to solve the problem of unmarried women or of even married women occupying

01:00:49.680 a non-progressive, non-long-housed space, if you want to use the Lomas Bap term.

01:00:55.860 That the key to pioneering this will be to come up with an alternative way that women

01:01:02.040 can achieve status and achieve a certain amount of power and security for themselves by not

01:01:08.700 following along with the girl boss plan.

01:01:12.760 By being this kind of person inside the community who does these things, you will be seen as

01:01:18.680 heroic.

01:01:19.400 You will be seen as someone who's a good person.

01:01:21.520 You will be seen as somebody who's a great person by your family, by your community, and

01:01:27.500 by other people who have these principles.

01:01:30.040 Now, so far, I think we've only seen this inside certain religious communities.

01:01:35.920 But it's interesting, I think, as a thought experiment, and Johan Kurtz explores this, a

01:01:40.960 variety of other sub-stackers explore this.

01:01:42.680 It's interesting to think about in the abstract how an alternative female competition, a status

01:01:49.340 would work inside a mode that is not the mode of the mainstream, that it's not in the mode

01:01:56.000 of how we structure politics at the highest level around, again, who's popular, who's

01:02:02.620 creepy, who's being mean, or who is the person who is properly complying with the best practices.

01:02:09.440 That's something that I think is a very fruitful avenue for thinking and developing political

01:02:14.960 theory and developing political practice in the future.

01:02:19.640 Well, as you said, Dave, we could do about four podcasts on this subject, but we're going

01:02:23.840 to have to hold it to one for now.

01:02:26.420 So as we head out, we won't be doing any super chats.

01:02:29.600 Sorry, guys.

01:02:30.100 But obviously, we're pre-recorded, so we can't do that this time.

01:02:33.760 Appreciate anybody who's sending those, but we can't read them out here.

01:02:37.280 But can you tell people where to find your work?

01:02:40.860 Yes, certainly.

01:02:42.120 So I have a sub-stack called Letters from Fiddler's Green.

01:02:46.700 I guess it's a sub-stack bestseller, but it's medium-sized.

01:02:51.460 And then I have a YouTube channel called The Distributist, where I do a bi-monthly podcast,

01:02:58.680 more or less, and which hosts a lot of my old video essays from the pre-COVID times,

01:03:04.500 mainly, and occasionally, I do a video essay on YouTube as well.

01:03:08.780 So those are the two places that most people can find me.

01:03:11.460 Or if you're interested in community building, please look into the Basket Weaving Project,

01:03:16.400 which I also try to promote on the side.

01:03:18.800 People, go subscribe to Dave The Distributist.

01:03:22.080 I need the return of the regular Distributist video essay.

01:03:25.340 He's a genius in the free-form, you know, stream of thought podcast thing.

01:03:30.860 But I fell in love with the video essays.

01:03:33.580 I need them to come back.

01:03:34.820 I know they're time-consuming.

01:03:36.620 So you need the audience that's going to free you to make these things,

01:03:40.800 because I think they're excellent.

01:03:42.080 You know, for you, Aaron, I'm going to try to do a video essay.

01:03:45.420 I think it'd be fun.

01:03:46.720 I appreciate it.

01:03:47.520 Yeah.

01:03:48.320 This one goes out to my fans.

01:03:50.580 Yeah.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - October 21, 2024

Why Democrats Are Losing with Men ｜ Guest： The Distributist ｜ 10⧸21⧸24

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