The Auron MacIntyre Show - June 19, 2025


Why the Right Became Skeptical of War — and Should Stay That Way ｜ 6⧸19⧸25

Hosted by
Auron MacIntyre
Mentioned
Benjamin Netanyahu Donald Trump Vladimir Putin Biden Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Osama Bin Laden Dinesh D'Souza Saddam Hussein Tucker Carlson Pete Hegseth Kash Patel JD Vance Gabbard Odyssey
Why Nation-Building Doesn't Work ｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 6⧸18⧸25 Analyzing the Ted Cruz vs. Tucker Carlson Debate ｜ 6⧸20⧸25

Episode Stats


Length

9 minutes

Words per minute

159.99

Word count

1,448

Sentence count

115

Harmful content

Misogyny

2

sentences flagged

Hate speech

12

sentences flagged


Summary

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Conservancy and foreign policy have long been at odds with each other, but now, with President Trump in the White House, it s time to realize that the two parties are at odds on foreign policy issues that matter most to the American people.

Transcript

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00:00:30.120 After the COVID lockdowns, the Western global leadership class had little credibility left,
00:00:35.140 so it seemed insane that they'd immediately pivot to a new crisis.
00:00:38.920 But that's exactly what they did.
00:00:41.180 Russia's invasion of Ukraine triggered demands from elites in Europe and America
00:00:45.360 for NATO-aligned nations to involve themselves in the conflict.
00:00:49.360 Many Republicans were initially on board, with Fox News and CNN marching in lockstep behind intervention.
00:00:55.380 But the Republican base quickly soured on the war,
00:00:58.340 once it became clear that U.S. involvement didn't serve American interests.
00:01:03.200 In a strange inversion, the right became anti-war, while the left championed military escalation.
00:01:08.440 That reversal matters now, as some in the GOP look to drag the country into another long conflict.
00:01:14.240 We should remember what the war in Ukraine taught us.
00:01:16.820 When Russian President Vladimir Putin invaded, many conservatives instinctively aligned with Ukraine.
00:01:23.360 The Soviet Union was an evil empire and a clear enemy of the United States.
00:01:28.540 It was easy to paint Russia as an extension of that threat. 0.61
00:01:32.300 President Biden assured Americans that it would be no troops on the ground
00:01:36.260 and that the economic sanctions would cripple Russia immediately.
00:01:40.680 But the war dragged on.
00:01:42.240 Hundreds of billions of dollars flowed to Ukraine while America entered a painful economic downturn.
00:01:48.160 Conservatives began asking whether this was worth it.
00:01:51.480 Now, to be clear, Putin was no friend of the U.S.
00:01:54.500 and conservatives had valid reasons to distrust him.
00:01:57.320 But suddenly, anyone questioning the war effort was smeared as a Russian asset.
00:02:02.680 Opposition to the war became an extension of the left's deranged Russiagate conspiracy,
00:02:07.720 which painted Donald Trump as a blackmailed Kremlin agent.
00:02:11.220 Some Republican politicians kept pushing for the war.
00:02:14.580 Fox News stayed hawkish.
00:02:16.380 But much of the conservative commentariat broke ranks.
00:02:19.540 They knew that the boys from Appalachia and Texas,
00:02:22.260 exactly the kind of red state Americans progressives despise,
00:02:25.380 would again be asked to die for a war that served no clear national purpose.
00:02:31.480 From that disillusionment, conservatives drew some hard-learned lessons.
00:02:35.520 They saw that U.S. leaders lie to sustain foreign conflict,
00:02:39.140 that politicians in both parties keep wars going because of donors' profits,
00:02:43.520 that Fox News can become a mouthpiece for military escalation,
00:02:47.640 that you can oppose a war without betraying your country,
00:02:50.240 and that American troops and tax dollars are not a plaything for globalist fantasies.
00:02:55.380 America first began to mean something real.
00:02:58.360 Peace through strength didn't require constant intervention.
00:03:02.540 Unfortunately, many of those lessons evaporated after the Hamas terrorist attack
00:03:06.800 on Israel on October 7th.
00:03:09.340 That attack was horrific, and no serious person denies the brutality of Hamas 1.00
00:03:14.140 or questions Israel's right to defend itself.
00:03:16.940 But Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has treated the attack as a green light
00:03:21.200 to target long-time adversaries, including Iran.
00:03:25.020 As a sovereign nation, Israel can pursue its own foreign policy.
00:03:28.860 But it can't dictate foreign policy for the United States.
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00:03:46.440 In 2002, Netanyahu testified before Congress that Saddam Hussein
00:03:52.100 was developing nuclear weapons in Iraq.
00:03:55.200 He said that toppling both the Iraqi and Iranian regimes
00:03:58.420 would bring peace and stability.
00:04:00.440 He was wrong.
00:04:01.720 Now, he wasn't alone, of course.
00:04:03.400 Many were wrong about weapons of mass destruction and the Iraq war.
00:04:06.760 But Netanyahu's track record is highly relevant now. 0.91
00:04:10.460 While conservatives once fervently supported the Iraq invasion after 9-11,
00:04:14.660 many, including prominent commentators like Tucker Carlson and Dinesh D'Azouza,
00:04:19.740 have since apologized.
00:04:21.520 They admitted that it was wrong.
00:04:23.880 The war in Afghanistan, while flawed, did have clearer justifications.
00:04:28.360 The Taliban had harbored Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda.
00:04:32.120 But the lies about weapons of mass destruction and failed nation-building in Iraq
00:04:35.960 turned the war into a conservative regret.
00:04:38.440 In March of this year, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard
00:04:43.480 testified that Iran had not resumed efforts to build a nuclear weapon.
00:04:48.520 Gabbard, like Trump allies Robert Kennedy Jr., Kash Patel, and Pete Hegseth,
00:04:53.080 was chosen precisely for her skepticism of the organization she runs.
00:04:58.080 Trump remembers how his first term was sabotaged by insiders loyal to the status quo.
00:05:03.540 This time, he selected appointees loyal to him and the voters.
00:05:08.360 Gabbard's assessment clearly contradicts that of Netanyahu,
00:05:11.560 who claims that Iran is just months away from having a bomb.
00:05:15.120 That's a pretty massive discrepancy.
00:05:17.200 Either Iran hasn't restarted its program, or it's on the brink of building a nuke. 0.93
00:05:21.580 So which one is it?
00:05:23.200 Did the U.S. intelligence agencies fail?
00:05:25.860 Did Gabbard just lie to Congress and the public?
00:05:28.240 Or did she simply say something the ruling class didn't want to hear?
00:05:31.700 Trump, Gabbard, and even Vice President J.D. Vance have made it clear that they understand how Iraq went wrong.
00:05:39.040 They know Americans deserve evidence before another war, 1.00
00:05:43.000 especially one that risks dragging us into a region we've already failed to remake at great cost.
00:05:49.360 Yet the war hawks keep repeating the same line.
00:05:52.280 This time, it'll be quick.
00:05:53.900 The United States is too powerful, too advanced, too economically dominant.
00:05:58.080 The enemy will just fold before Christmas.
00:06:00.020 Biden said the exact same thing about Ukraine.
00:06:03.780 And hundreds of billions of dollars later, we remain in a grinding proxy war with Russia to this day.
00:06:10.680 Now, while still financing that war, Americans are told that they must back a new war.
00:06:15.640 This one initiated unilaterally by Israel.
00:06:18.800 The U.S. faces domestic strife, crippling debt, and an ongoing open border crisis.
00:06:23.920 Involvement in yet another conflict makes no sense.
00:06:26.980 Look, ultimately Israel might be right about Iran. 0.83
00:06:31.060 Tehran may indeed have developed a nuclear program behind the world's back.
00:06:35.500 But if Israel wants to wage a war, it must do so on its own. 0.88
00:06:39.900 The Trump administration has already made it clear that it wasn't involved in Israel's preemptive strikes and did not approve them.
00:06:46.360 If Israel starts a war, it should fight and win that war on its own. 0.96
00:06:51.320 America should not be expected to absorb retaliation or commit troops to another Middle Eastern project.
00:06:58.180 These wars are never short, and they're always expensive.
00:07:02.160 Even if Iran's regime collapses quickly, the aftermath could bring a long, brutal occupation to prevent it from descending into chaos.
00:07:12.380 Israel doesn't have the capacity, let alone the political will, for that task. 0.57
00:07:17.000 And I promise you, that burden would fall again to America.
00:07:21.220 And that's not even touching on the refugee crisis, which at this point has completely transformed parts of Europe, 0.95
00:07:28.680 just flooding them with Muslim immigrants who are fleeing these different regime change wars. 0.99
00:07:34.120 Another one of these, another destabilized Islamic country where everyone heads west for benefits and safety, 1.00
00:07:40.300 could be the final nail in the coffin for many of these European societies.
00:07:44.560 So before conservatives fall for yet another round of WMD hysteria,
00:07:50.420 they should recall what the last two wars have taught them.
00:07:53.740 If the situation really is dire, let the Trump administration make its case to the American people.
00:07:59.680 Present the evidence, debate in Congress, vote.
00:08:02.920 But please, don't sleepwalk us into another forever war.
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