The Auron MacIntyre Show - June 19, 2025


Why the Right Became Skeptical of War — and Should Stay That Way | 6⧸19⧸25


Episode Stats

Length

9 minutes

Words per Minute

159.98822

Word Count

1,448

Sentence Count

118

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

12


Summary

Conservancy and foreign policy have long been at odds with each other, but now, with President Trump in the White House, it s time to realize that the two parties are at odds on foreign policy issues that matter most to the American people.


Transcript

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00:00:30.120 After the COVID lockdowns, the Western global leadership class had little credibility left,
00:00:35.140 so it seemed insane that they'd immediately pivot to a new crisis.
00:00:38.920 But that's exactly what they did.
00:00:41.180 Russia's invasion of Ukraine triggered demands from elites in Europe and America
00:00:45.360 for NATO-aligned nations to involve themselves in the conflict.
00:00:49.360 Many Republicans were initially on board, with Fox News and CNN marching in lockstep behind intervention.
00:00:55.380 But the Republican base quickly soured on the war,
00:00:58.340 once it became clear that U.S. involvement didn't serve American interests.
00:01:03.200 In a strange inversion, the right became anti-war, while the left championed military escalation.
00:01:08.440 That reversal matters now, as some in the GOP look to drag the country into another long conflict.
00:01:14.240 We should remember what the war in Ukraine taught us.
00:01:16.820 When Russian President Vladimir Putin invaded, many conservatives instinctively aligned with Ukraine.
00:01:23.360 The Soviet Union was an evil empire and a clear enemy of the United States.
00:01:28.540 It was easy to paint Russia as an extension of that threat.
00:01:32.300 President Biden assured Americans that it would be no troops on the ground
00:01:36.260 and that the economic sanctions would cripple Russia immediately.
00:01:40.680 But the war dragged on.
00:01:42.240 Hundreds of billions of dollars flowed to Ukraine while America entered a painful economic downturn.
00:01:48.160 Conservatives began asking whether this was worth it.
00:01:51.480 Now, to be clear, Putin was no friend of the U.S.
00:01:54.500 and conservatives had valid reasons to distrust him.
00:01:57.320 But suddenly, anyone questioning the war effort was smeared as a Russian asset.
00:02:02.680 Opposition to the war became an extension of the left's deranged Russiagate conspiracy,
00:02:07.720 which painted Donald Trump as a blackmailed Kremlin agent.
00:02:11.220 Some Republican politicians kept pushing for the war.
00:02:14.580 Fox News stayed hawkish.
00:02:16.380 But much of the conservative commentariat broke ranks.
00:02:19.540 They knew that the boys from Appalachia and Texas,
00:02:22.260 exactly the kind of red state Americans progressives despise,
00:02:25.380 would again be asked to die for a war that served no clear national purpose.
00:02:31.480 From that disillusionment, conservatives drew some hard-learned lessons.
00:02:35.520 They saw that U.S. leaders lie to sustain foreign conflict,
00:02:39.140 that politicians in both parties keep wars going because of donors' profits,
00:02:43.520 that Fox News can become a mouthpiece for military escalation,
00:02:47.640 that you can oppose a war without betraying your country,
00:02:50.240 and that American troops and tax dollars are not a plaything for globalist fantasies.
00:02:55.380 America first began to mean something real.
00:02:58.360 Peace through strength didn't require constant intervention.
00:03:02.540 Unfortunately, many of those lessons evaporated after the Hamas terrorist attack
00:03:06.800 on Israel on October 7th.
00:03:09.340 That attack was horrific, and no serious person denies the brutality of Hamas
00:03:14.140 or questions Israel's right to defend itself.
00:03:16.940 But Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has treated the attack as a green light
00:03:21.200 to target long-time adversaries, including Iran.
00:03:25.020 As a sovereign nation, Israel can pursue its own foreign policy.
00:03:28.860 But it can't dictate foreign policy for the United States.
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00:03:46.440 In 2002, Netanyahu testified before Congress that Saddam Hussein
00:03:52.100 was developing nuclear weapons in Iraq.
00:03:55.200 He said that toppling both the Iraqi and Iranian regimes
00:03:58.420 would bring peace and stability.
00:04:00.440 He was wrong.
00:04:01.720 Now, he wasn't alone, of course.
00:04:03.400 Many were wrong about weapons of mass destruction and the Iraq war.
00:04:06.760 But Netanyahu's track record is highly relevant now.
00:04:10.460 While conservatives once fervently supported the Iraq invasion after 9-11,
00:04:14.660 many, including prominent commentators like Tucker Carlson and Dinesh D'Azouza,
00:04:19.740 have since apologized.
00:04:21.520 They admitted that it was wrong.
00:04:23.880 The war in Afghanistan, while flawed, did have clearer justifications.
00:04:28.360 The Taliban had harbored Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda.
00:04:32.120 But the lies about weapons of mass destruction and failed nation-building in Iraq
00:04:35.960 turned the war into a conservative regret.
00:04:38.440 In March of this year, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard
00:04:43.480 testified that Iran had not resumed efforts to build a nuclear weapon.
00:04:48.520 Gabbard, like Trump allies Robert Kennedy Jr., Kash Patel, and Pete Hegseth,
00:04:53.080 was chosen precisely for her skepticism of the organization she runs.
00:04:58.080 Trump remembers how his first term was sabotaged by insiders loyal to the status quo.
00:05:03.540 This time, he selected appointees loyal to him and the voters.
00:05:08.360 Gabbard's assessment clearly contradicts that of Netanyahu,
00:05:11.560 who claims that Iran is just months away from having a bomb.
00:05:15.120 That's a pretty massive discrepancy.
00:05:17.200 Either Iran hasn't restarted its program, or it's on the brink of building a nuke.
00:05:21.580 So which one is it?
00:05:23.200 Did the U.S. intelligence agencies fail?
00:05:25.860 Did Gabbard just lie to Congress and the public?
00:05:28.240 Or did she simply say something the ruling class didn't want to hear?
00:05:31.700 Trump, Gabbard, and even Vice President J.D. Vance have made it clear that they understand how Iraq went wrong.
00:05:39.040 They know Americans deserve evidence before another war,
00:05:43.000 especially one that risks dragging us into a region we've already failed to remake at great cost.
00:05:49.360 Yet the war hawks keep repeating the same line.
00:05:52.280 This time, it'll be quick.
00:05:53.900 The United States is too powerful, too advanced, too economically dominant.
00:05:58.080 The enemy will just fold before Christmas.
00:06:00.020 Biden said the exact same thing about Ukraine.
00:06:03.780 And hundreds of billions of dollars later, we remain in a grinding proxy war with Russia to this day.
00:06:10.680 Now, while still financing that war, Americans are told that they must back a new war.
00:06:15.640 This one initiated unilaterally by Israel.
00:06:18.800 The U.S. faces domestic strife, crippling debt, and an ongoing open border crisis.
00:06:23.920 Involvement in yet another conflict makes no sense.
00:06:26.980 Look, ultimately Israel might be right about Iran.
00:06:31.060 Tehran may indeed have developed a nuclear program behind the world's back.
00:06:35.500 But if Israel wants to wage a war, it must do so on its own.
00:06:39.900 The Trump administration has already made it clear that it wasn't involved in Israel's preemptive strikes and did not approve them.
00:06:46.360 If Israel starts a war, it should fight and win that war on its own.
00:06:51.320 America should not be expected to absorb retaliation or commit troops to another Middle Eastern project.
00:06:58.180 These wars are never short, and they're always expensive.
00:07:02.160 Even if Iran's regime collapses quickly, the aftermath could bring a long, brutal occupation to prevent it from descending into chaos.
00:07:12.380 Israel doesn't have the capacity, let alone the political will, for that task.
00:07:17.000 And I promise you, that burden would fall again to America.
00:07:21.220 And that's not even touching on the refugee crisis, which at this point has completely transformed parts of Europe,
00:07:28.680 just flooding them with Muslim immigrants who are fleeing these different regime change wars.
00:07:34.120 Another one of these, another destabilized Islamic country where everyone heads west for benefits and safety,
00:07:40.300 could be the final nail in the coffin for many of these European societies.
00:07:44.560 So before conservatives fall for yet another round of WMD hysteria,
00:07:50.420 they should recall what the last two wars have taught them.
00:07:53.740 If the situation really is dire, let the Trump administration make its case to the American people.
00:07:59.680 Present the evidence, debate in Congress, vote.
00:08:02.920 But please, don't sleepwalk us into another forever war.
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