The Auron MacIntyre Show - Will AI Data Centers Destroy America？｜ Chase Davis ｜ 5⧸15⧸26

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00:00:31.720 Well, we've talked about artificial intelligence a lot on this show, and that subject is going to continue to be incredibly important.

00:00:39.440 You've probably seen the discussion over AI data centers that has been blowing up recently.

00:00:44.520 Obviously, AI doesn't just come out of nowhere.

00:00:46.660 We need vast amounts of computers to make this work.

00:00:50.140 and there's a lot of complaints over these things being built whether they're actually good for the

00:00:54.980 environment are they negatively impacting the power grids and other aspects of the communities

00:00:59.840 in which they are placed and ultimately do these things actually benefit anyone there was a very

00:01:04.920 interesting debate between tucker carlson and kevin o'leary who's one of the guys who's looking

00:01:09.880 to build the largest data center in the united states and we're going to run through some of

00:01:14.520 that video and talking about it we're also going to be talking about a new book from our returning

00:01:19.160 guest chase davis chase thank you so much for coming on glad to be here man thanks for having

00:01:23.660 me back absolutely well we're going to jump into the data centers first and then we will get to

00:01:28.620 chase's new great book that is coming out here soon uh so the guy in question here is kevin o'leary

00:01:35.260 let me just go ahead and bring us there the train so the guy involved here is kevin o'leary and he

00:01:41.140 is trying to build this massive data center the largest one in the united states i believe

00:01:47.260 to date. And a lot of people are very concerned about what the outcome might be. Now, the

00:01:53.100 interesting thing about Kevin O'Leary is he's sitting here with this Utah hat on, right? Because

00:01:58.060 this is where he wants to build the data center. And it's supposed to show, I guess, some kind of

00:02:03.820 local support or something. But of course, Kevin O'Leary doesn't live in Utah. I doubt he ever

00:02:09.100 even had been to Utah before he wanted to build something there. In fact, Kevin O'Leary isn't even

00:02:14.440 like some guy from New York who's developing things in the United States. Kevin O'Leary is a

00:02:21.100 Canadian. He worked in the television industry, developing shows, that kind of thing. This is a

00:02:27.340 guy who's worked in tech, but he is a Canadian. He currently lives in Miami, but he also has

00:02:34.140 Irish citizenship and interestingly, Imrati citizenship. So this is a guy who is a rootless 1.00

00:02:40.680 called rootless cosmopolitan who has several different uh you know citizenships in all the

00:02:46.880 countries where you flee if your business is trying to avoid taxes or any of these other things

00:02:52.300 so it's not exactly a guy who has his fate tied to the future of the united states that's very

00:02:57.840 funny because many times over when he's having this discussion he keeps saying we we are doing

00:03:02.860 this we are doing that we don't want to fall behind and the question of course you have to

00:03:07.100 ask yourself is, what do you mean we, Kevin? Do you mean Canadians? Do you mean people who have

00:03:14.200 Irish passports? Do you mean people who could go to any of the United Arab Emirates on a moment's

00:03:20.700 notice if things go south here? Who are you tied to? Who is we here? And it's very interesting

00:03:26.300 because this guy was also running for the leadership of the Canadian Conservative Party

00:03:33.120 as recently as 2017. So when he says we here, it's not like, oh, well, OK, yeah, he came from

00:03:38.940 Canada, but he's been in America for a long time and this is his real home. And no, this is a guy

00:03:45.040 who was literally trying to run for the leadership of a foreign political party less than 10 years

00:03:50.940 ago. So this is not an American in any way, shape or form, but he presents himself as somebody who

00:03:57.240 is acting as an American who's on America's side with this kind of stuff. But let's go ahead and

00:04:03.040 dive into the clip here and we'll just kind of pause and comment as we go building data center

00:04:08.620 that trains ai that provides productivity to the entire nation we create millions of jobs

00:04:15.560 high paying jobs jobs ai is going to create jobs yes i thought it was going to eliminate jobs net

00:04:22.420 just think about the new technologies we don't even know yet that are going to be built off ai

00:04:29.000 everybody thinks when television came everybody would lose their job in radio that was complete

00:04:34.500 bf and the same thing is going to happen here everybody's hysteria about losing jobs making

00:04:40.660 hamburgers or flipping them being replaced by a robot that's probably true but all kinds of

00:04:45.660 new technology will become available over time including in medical science so chase we hear

00:04:52.060 this argument a lot when it comes to ai oh don't be a luddite obviously we know that at some point 0.96

00:04:58.880 You know, people were riding around on horses and then we created the car and all the horseshoe blacksmiths went out of business, but we had all these new jobs and you're being ridiculous. 0.84

00:05:09.440 It's this classic argument of creative destruction.

00:05:13.100 The problem, of course, is that many people who've been working on AI, some of the people who are probably the most profound thinkers or developers in that area have not been coy about this.

00:05:24.140 They've said there's going to be an absolute economic bloodbath.

00:05:27.060 We're not talking about people who flip burgers losing their jobs here.

00:05:30.960 We're talking about, you know, people who work in white collar jobs, engineers, you know, people who write for a living.

00:05:39.260 All kinds of stuff is going to get absolutely blown out of the water.

00:05:42.260 I mean, who's ever going to need something like a paralegal, you know, or someone who, like, does this kind of job that is immediately going to get snatched up and consumed by AI?

00:05:52.680 And we'll go through this.

00:05:54.020 you'll see that tucker corners him several times in this issue but kevin never gives you an actual

00:05:59.780 job that ai is going to create he says oh well just think of all the things that ai is going to do

00:06:05.440 think of all the opportunities the technologies that it's going to create all the sectors it's

00:06:10.100 going to open up and then tucker says like what and there's never an answer like there's never

00:06:14.700 an answer like well somewhere something and for me this is such a big problem chase because

00:06:21.080 you know when we see someone saying oh we're going to eliminate all these old jobs we're going to get

00:06:25.900 new good jobs well that's what they said in the last you know few economic revolutions and oh well

00:06:32.900 you don't want those factory jobs no no no you want to be in the service sector so now it's a

00:06:38.500 bunch of americans sitting in i don't know maybe a call center somewhere if you're lucky if that

00:06:43.180 ship if that job hasn't been shipped over to india as opposed to someone who's working in a factory

00:06:48.060 in the meantime we don't make anything in the united states so if we're in a crisis some kind 0.60

00:06:53.360 of medical crisis say i don't know china creates some kind of virus that dominates the world 0.86

00:06:58.300 all of a sudden we recognize oh wait we don't build ventilators here we don't build antibiotics

00:07:02.140 here by the way we still don't build any of that stuff and so all those bad jobs that got shipped

00:07:07.580 off overseas turns out they're actually like really critical to the security of your nation

00:07:12.160 and the continuance of your way of life if at any moment the vast, you know, kind of

00:07:17.140 modern liberal trade system just kind of falls apart if those supply lines come apart.

00:07:23.900 And that's never addressed.

00:07:25.460 So yeah, okay, we're going to get rid of all these old bad jobs and create new jobs.

00:07:28.700 What are those jobs?

00:07:29.560 I don't know.

00:07:30.420 And will those jobs actually like sustain America?

00:07:33.200 Will they actually build things, make things, create food or, you know, other items that

00:07:39.140 we actually need?

00:07:40.360 We never seem to get an answer to this.

00:07:42.160 It was really interesting a couple of years ago, or maybe it was in the last year. I don't know if you remember. There was kind of the threat of truck drivers jobs being replaced by automated trucking. Do you remember this? It was a big debate. It was the first time I had really like grappled seriously with the implications of certain convictions I had politically and economically.

00:08:01.580 but Kevin's attitude here is classic just like America is an economic zone it can be exploited

00:08:06.000 for whatever and we're just gonna make money and that's all it's good for the question always comes

00:08:10.420 down to what's good for the people you know what's good for the people in that in that local area

00:08:13.980 and what leads to greater kind of not just productivity some might call human flourishing

00:08:19.680 but what leads to public good for these people and so there's a huge question a lot of the people I

00:08:25.220 find it very creepy that they're even creating I saw there was a live stream yesterday of a robot

00:08:29.940 examining packages on a conveyor belt. And it was a robot that was anthropomorphized. It was a human

00:08:37.500 robot, right? Human-like robot. And it's kind of creepy. Like they're very upfront, like that they

00:08:43.020 want to replace a lot of stuff and they're not being clear. I think there's pros and cons. I'm

00:08:47.900 kind of on the pro side of AI in terms of its implementation. I see it as incredibly powerful

00:08:54.800 and helpful um i've started my own website commonplace.study anyone can go look it up

00:08:59.600 and uh we can get into that when we talk about my book because it's pertinent to the book but

00:09:03.680 i've used ai for for lots of different activities but there is a threat right and and nobody's

00:09:08.880 really being clear on what that is and no no politician is really uh grappling with like

00:09:13.440 how are we going to prevent america from just going to ubi where you know people are totally

00:09:19.680 disincentivized for work um and so yeah i don't i don't have a uh my gut instinct is to be

00:09:26.080 suspicious but at the same time i understand that ai can be incredibly helpful in efficiency

00:09:32.800 productivity and eliminating a lot of jobs that are sometimes just like uh powerpoint jobs you

00:09:40.800 know just like you're producing a lot of stuff that maybe you're you're not as essential uh in

00:09:46.080 terms of that company's productivity and profitability so it's not that i'm necessarily

00:09:50.480 conflicted i'm just trying to see the whole picture here and see where kevin's going

00:09:54.240 yeah and i think that's important you know i am somebody who recognizes that well i think there are

00:10:00.400 extreme dangers in ai and i'm not hiding the ball on that i also think ai is inevitable like i i i

00:10:06.880 i am a good accelerationist in this sense uh not not in the political accelerationism but

00:10:12.400 in the understanding of technology and how it's going to to ultimately implement itself i the fact

00:10:18.600 that we are trying to have these conversations now after so many of these data centers have

00:10:23.980 already been built after so much of ai has already been developed after so much is already going to

00:10:28.360 be implemented means that we simply we're not really going to completely control the rollout

00:10:34.540 of artificial intelligence and even if we did as often as pointed out by its advocates someone else

00:10:39.820 won't like someone else will not control ai and it's developing the same way we will we will and

00:10:44.980 then we'll have to deal with the the consequences of that that said i think it's important to

00:10:49.480 recognize that our american development of ai is not the same as you see in other areas for instance

00:10:57.200 in china it's not generally chasing like the god ai it's not chasing this you know grand artificial

00:11:04.120 general intelligence that's going to be smarter than americans smarter than all humans able to

00:11:09.100 surpass us in every way they're not trying to create this deity which weirdly and well not so

00:11:13.620 weirdly and i know exactly why they're saying it but why the silicon valley guys keep saying over 0.92

00:11:18.520 and over again like if there's one thing if you if you were trying to sell ai to the average chud

00:11:23.420 you know the average guy in the middle of the country the one thing you probably wouldn't want

00:11:27.180 to make uh clear over and over again is we are trying to make a god but but they just keep saying

00:11:33.320 it chase they keep saying it over and over and over again i promise i'm not going to drag you

00:11:37.720 to the theological implications of our official intelligence but but the fact that that is

00:11:43.260 the stated goal of so many of our tech oligarchs in the united states where it is not the goal in

00:11:50.700 china makes you understand that there could be um i guess less faustian implications to this

00:11:57.160 technology you don't have to use it to like completely replace the human race like actually

00:12:02.900 there are other ways in which you you could develop it where that that's not like the explicit

00:12:07.800 stated goal of the technology but for some reason these guys just keep running into that one over

00:12:14.100 and over again again the most easy pr thing in the world to make clear and yet they never do

00:12:19.040 they're always like yeah yeah no we're totally building uh like satan it's fine you know don't

00:12:22.920 worry about it the antichrist it'll be fine you'll love it the antichrist will get rid of like uh all

00:12:27.240 you need to go to work and your reason for living and it's fine you don't it'll be okay yeah and i

00:12:32.340 I just don't think they, because they lack a moral foundation, a lot of these people are agnostic

00:12:36.640 atheist, you know, and we know what John Locke thinks of atheist. I don't know that they're

00:12:42.480 going to be successful. I mean, like when we look at LLMs and AI and GPUs and all data centers and

00:12:47.480 all the stuff going into it, the powerful component is it's kind of like it's internet on

00:12:55.160 high dose of drugs, where it's just an accelerated ability to reason through arguments. It's taking

00:13:02.180 copious amounts of information in in order to provide outputs to you that sometimes are and

00:13:10.080 they can be curated right so you've got anthropic and and grok and chat gpt and all of them are

00:13:15.960 are uniquely curated and there's tons more coming where these llms are uh designed a certain way

00:13:22.140 to produce certain outcomes that's that's what concerns me most for people i'm less concerned

00:13:26.800 with their kind of fantasy about creating a false god even though that's wicked and i disagree with

00:13:31.900 i'm more concerned with like how are you designing it to teach people it's pedagogical it's a

00:13:37.340 question of like formation for me and so as these models because the average user isn't necessarily

00:13:43.640 focused on databases they're focusing on the end product and they're going to ai asking questions

00:13:49.360 about a variety of topics and that ai the the classic joke joke online is uh it's predictable

00:13:57.120 many times in terms of how it's going to respond and it's reinforcing itself

00:14:01.000 so and reinforcing you so your priors so there's there's not a lot of deep reasoning in terms of

00:14:06.900 curated to like be maximally open it's designed by people and it does bother me a lot of these

00:14:15.980 silicon valley guys they're transhumanists they want to basically replace the human race

00:14:20.560 again i mentioned this in my book also it gets into the longevity stuff that a lot of people

00:14:25.960 are into today. And there's a lack of humility, a lack of reason, a lack of groundedness in any

00:14:31.920 kind of philosophy. It's just like, isn't tech awesome? Accelerate, accelerate, accelerate.

00:14:37.100 And I'm like, look, I mean, that's been going on for years now with the internet. It seems like

00:14:43.320 there's no one holding it back or trying to guide the conversation. Instead, they're hiring some

00:14:48.060 woman from England that got her philosophy degree from Edinburgh to run Anthropics design model for

00:14:53.600 you know, Claude and Opus and Sonnet.

00:14:56.700 So I don't really know,

00:14:57.840 but I just know that if they're trying

00:14:59.580 to do this false God stuff,

00:15:00.980 it's probably going to fail.

00:15:03.560 Ultimately, it will definitely fail

00:15:04.980 because Jesus Christ is Lord.

00:15:07.040 So like, it's inevitable that he returns

00:15:09.940 and he is seated on his throne right now.

00:15:12.340 But yeah, it's very humorous how,

00:15:14.580 one, how boastful they are that they can do this

00:15:17.740 and how easily deceived many people are

00:15:20.860 thinking that they're right, that they can't do it.

00:15:23.600 well and here's the thing even if you don't believe and i'll just lay my cards on the table

00:15:29.340 i think disembodied consciousnesses are ultimately going to be demonic i think there's a reason that

00:15:34.780 you don't put a ouija board in the middle of your house and that's the same reason you shouldn't turn

00:15:39.020 over your will to an ai but even if you don't think if you don't believe like i believe you 0.99

00:15:43.640 don't think it's a serious threat on that level you don't think it can ascend to that kind of 1.00

00:15:47.320 threat like ultimately what you should be worried about is that llms behave a lot like people like 0.96

00:15:54.480 people like oh llm all it does is take information that you put into it and then kind of regurgitate

00:16:00.120 it back the way you want to hear it well guess what that's like what most people do too like

00:16:04.560 that's actually how you interact with most humans day to day i i hate to break this to a lot of

00:16:08.900 people but most people aren't that agentic like they don't actually uh take a lot of uh you know

00:16:14.880 agency and what they're doing uh they're they're not uh particularly uh interested in you know

00:16:19.820 kind of understanding everything that they interact with they simply kind of absorb what

00:16:23.780 said back to them and then vomit it back so in many ways the llm is already behaving very much

00:16:29.160 like the average human and the other thing is that humans will interact with it and treat it as if it

00:16:34.540 is a uh source of truth we already have this with google man like when i was teaching uh public

00:16:40.800 school if a kid googled something that was it like that was just true because it was on google

00:16:45.700 that's their entire epistemological structure and so they couldn't reason their way to anything

00:16:50.200 they couldn't evaluate it from the outside they couldn't understand other authoritative

00:16:54.200 forces once you've like kind of typed something into google and you get a result that's the answer

00:16:59.860 and that's going to happen with ai and that's where the pedagogy comes in right because then

00:17:03.320 you have the problem of the ai is training you to believe whatever it was trained to believe

00:17:08.520 and now the ai is training you you're not training the ai and people people with 130 iq are like oh

00:17:15.260 i'm not gonna fall for that well good for you okay but with 130 iq you should be able to look

00:17:19.760 at a bell curve and recognize that the other 80 of the world is actually gonna fall right under that

00:17:25.240 right like they're 100 gonna fall for this stuff and unless you plan to use it to like rule the

00:17:30.660 world which we'll get to that because i think that's the goal but ultimately unless you plan

00:17:34.820 to like rule the world with it this is something you should care about but you should care about

00:17:37.860 whether your neighbor's kid is going to be able to understand basic truth know how to pursue it

00:17:42.040 in a real holistic organic way that actually like looks towards the transcendent instead of just

00:17:47.720 staring into the computer screen that said let's hear a little more of the uh the comments here

00:17:52.540 and biology and all kinds of things where the models can be used i'm extremely optimistic what

00:17:58.580 i'm doing is creating a whole new opportunity for my children what kinds of jobs well i mean again

00:18:05.540 And some of this, of course, is unknowable and I want to be as fair as I can be because I'm grateful that you're willing to talk about it so openly.

00:18:13.440 But you just said this will create, AI will create millions of new jobs.

00:18:17.500 You're part of the basis of AI.

00:18:20.680 You can't have AI without data centers, at least right now.

00:18:23.260 So what are those millions of jobs?

00:18:25.440 Because we can go through the list that the creators, the people who actually are making AI right now, developing it,

00:18:32.420 We can go through a list of jobs they say it's going to eliminate, which would be like lawyers and financial planners and like the basis of upper middle class America.

00:18:39.800 That's going away.

00:18:40.580 They've said this.

00:18:41.840 What will it be replaced by?

00:18:44.680 It'll be replaced by new science opportunities, new exploration into space, new manufacturing for robotics, for defense as well.

00:18:53.460 Wars in the future probably aren't going to be fought with people getting shot in the flesh.

00:18:58.580 It'll be one set of robots against another. 0.84

00:19:00.960 I think the drone technology will advance the manufacturing of surveillance, all that stuff against our enemies, which notably is basically China. 0.67

00:19:09.900 So if you think about how, you know, you debate the data center, I think it's fair to do that, what you're doing.

00:19:15.100 But I would be very concerned if I were living in Taiwan that one day my electricity just goes out and I get invaded by basically robotics and high precision ordinance. 0.91

00:19:26.240 And that's what China wants. And they want to get there first. 0.96

00:19:28.860 Now, if we don't get there first, if we don't develop something better than their AI and our ability to be predictive on where these conflicts are going to happen, I think we'll be in a bad place in 20 years.

00:19:40.920 And so I think it's very revealing that I asked you about jobs in the United States and you went immediately to defending Taiwan in the South.

00:19:47.560 Well, we meant a fact like I love this point.

00:19:51.240 Like Tucker has an entirety here.

00:19:52.660 It's like, so what is the main benefit of this artificial intelligence?

00:19:56.720 It allows us to defend Taiwan.

00:19:58.860 oh okay so it's for the maintenance of the global empire right like that's all the all of the jobs

00:20:06.420 all the benefits outside of medical care like basically everything he listed there was building 0.99

00:20:12.080 weapons creating drones creating surveillance stuff which he says is for china yeah i'm sure

00:20:18.400 that will certainly not end up pointed at me in mind but like everything that he lists there

00:20:23.280 is for the benefit of foreign governments, war with foreign governments, or the surveillance

00:20:28.800 of people in the United States, inevitably, except for the medical. That was like the one

00:20:33.020 benefit he actually listed. And again, no jobs, no, no, no hard explanation of what jobs would

00:20:38.740 be created. Just speculation about if we don't do this, we'll fall behind in some way that will be

00:20:44.600 irreparable. Now I've looked into this and as far as I can tell, we're about six to nine months

00:20:49.640 ahead of china and don't get me wrong like that's good i'd like to be ahead of china i guess in the 0.99

00:20:55.120 abstract but i don't know chase like i don't feel like we have to burn the candle of both ends to

00:20:59.700 stay nine months ahead of china like if we hit nine if we hit like a certain level of development

00:21:05.760 do we just nuke china because like we got far enough ahead of them like i i just don't understand 0.95

00:21:11.420 what this mad dash to like burn all of this capital down for to stay like nine months ahead 0.86

00:21:17.540 like i just it's never explained how this is going to benefit anyone but the global empire

00:21:22.720 well i think it to me it's analogous to the nuclear arms race which i was born at the very

00:21:29.240 tail end of it and from what i understand and you could probably speak to it better as somebody

00:21:34.580 dabbles in politics more than me it you know somebody's going to develop this technology

00:21:40.040 and we want as americans to develop the technology and be better than them and that to me is kind of

00:21:46.820 a pretty solid argument for America being ahead of China or anybody else in terms of competency

00:21:53.560 and execution of how AI is used, especially in national defense. I think if I were to kind of

00:21:59.760 defend Kevin's perspective here, to me, he's simply giving an illustration. Yes, I believe

00:22:06.240 he's kind of a rootless cosmopolitan and it's a global American empire, but those things do

00:22:11.960 kind of matter in terms of what Taiwan manufactures. I think Trump, I'm pretty sure

00:22:18.200 Trump is being very effective on reshoring a lot of the microchips and GPUs and the things that we

00:22:24.840 need to stay technologically advanced and ahead of China. But he's not wrong to necessarily bring

00:22:31.140 that up in principle. Of course, looking at who he is and what he's doing, it makes sense that

00:22:35.120 it would be connected to the kind of empire expansion and kind of the globalist mindset.

00:22:38.780 But I do think we're missing an opportunity to discuss how this might not just reshore. Let's use Taiwan as an example. Can we reshore manufacturing? Can we bring back manufacturing to America? What is this going to look like for the average American to start a small business, to run their own thing, to leave that corporate job where they're tired of working for an insurance agency, they can start their own agency and becomes much more competitive.

00:23:04.460 it could get totally flooded. And it could be just like, you have all these websites and all

00:23:09.760 these shops pop up. But honestly, a lot of the AI opportunity I see is for a lot of people to

00:23:15.660 take their career vocation and their interests into their own hands and see what happens and

00:23:19.780 take risk again and become a genic. Because for a lot of people, they're stuck with massive

00:23:26.180 amounts of debt and jobs that they may or may not like. For these lawyers and financial planners

00:23:32.760 that tucker mentions they are connected with firms typically they're connected with large

00:23:38.140 corporations what would it look like to spin off and do your own thing so there could be opportunities

00:23:42.640 there that i think people aren't accounting for yeah it by some forecast it looks like it's going

00:23:47.400 to be an economic bloodbath like this terrible thing and i again i'm sympathetic to those

00:23:51.840 arguments because i think modernity and a lot of the industrial revolution has had consequences

00:23:56.520 and it's not led to more human flourishing. We're not seeing the happiest people that have ever

00:24:06.980 lived. In fact, we're seeing the opposite, more depressed and anxious than ever before.

00:24:10.480 So I totally am willing to grapple with the negative implications. But a lot of times when

00:24:15.040 we focus on the negative implications so much, we're missing just basic opportunities for the

00:24:19.220 average American to really like in an economic, we'll call it a difficult time. I don't know if

00:24:25.380 it's a recession or not what everyone would call it right now uh things are fraught uh what would

00:24:30.200 it look like to be creative start something on their own where they can take initiative and it

00:24:36.000 really it does feel like kind of a frontier where now where you used to go have to go hire a developer

00:24:42.040 hire a bunch of people outside help you can just start your own thing um whether it's and i'm seeing

00:24:47.800 this done in construction i'm seeing this done in service work there's tons of opportunities for the

00:24:52.480 average american to now boost their own ability for economic advantage to make a better life for

00:24:58.880 themselves it's a to me it's a tool and it's not simply a tool it is pedagogical but it is a tool

00:25:04.080 to advantage oneself in the world so i think this is the best defense of artificial intelligence and

00:25:11.320 one that i am sympathetic to not just because it would allow individuals to start businesses and

00:25:16.360 these kind of things which i think would be great to if you could generally free people from the

00:25:20.460 need to be part of massive corporations and everything that would be great however there's

00:25:26.300 a couple problems with that i mean my my favorite use of it would be to take that same model and say

00:25:31.360 well this should allow us to create smaller governments because one of the reasons we have

00:25:35.100 to maximize these the size of the government is the power of scale and if we can mimic the power

00:25:42.320 of scale with ai if we can replace bureaucracies in the managerial class with artificial intelligence

00:25:47.920 Maybe we can start creating functional city states again. Maybe we could have smaller governments that actually compete against large governments because they don't need the sheer force of people that was necessary to kind of operate these bureaucracies and get the advantages of scale.

00:26:04.060 However, here's my problem with that argument, which I'm sympathetic to and I think is the best one. The problem I see coming is the bottleneck. So what is happening right now is that all of these chips at processors and RAM and everything are exploding in cost right now because only the AI guys are really able to afford them.

00:26:28.940 Like they're so high in demand that you're seeing the rates for any kind of civilian or average person use skyrocket because it's all going into AI.

00:26:38.040 So that means that these data centers, these large corporations are hoovering up all the compute power that would normally be distributed to guys like you and me.

00:26:48.120 And instead, they're all consolidating it under their corporate umbrellas, the things they control.

00:26:53.720 Yeah, you could use the AI to do the functions that you used to have on your own computer.

00:26:58.360 And it'll probably do them better. However, you're no longer in control. You're no longer in control of the data. You're no longer in control of the physical instruments. You no longer have the personal compute power. And so we're in the name of disintermediating these businesses from corporations.

00:27:14.580 We're tying everyone's personal compute power to these exact corporations that we're trying to escape.

00:27:21.740 The same thing is true with electricity, right?

00:27:24.060 Like one of the things that I think has been rightly pointed out over and over again is that, you know, for a very long time, we all had to hear about climate change and the end of the world and environmental impact and all of this stuff.

00:27:35.220 And magically, over the last few years, when all of these guys who were leading the charge on climate change, like Bill Gates, suddenly want data centers everywhere, it doesn't matter anymore.

00:27:47.120 There are no inconvenient truths.

00:27:48.780 We're no longer getting documentaries about the environment.

00:27:51.620 It turns out no one cares about the environment because now we need to produce way more electricity than we ever had before.

00:27:57.740 And guess what? There are now power companies who are pulling their service from communities so they can sell all their power to AI because AI can outbid all of those local grids for that power.

00:28:10.820 Now, there are some changes being made. There are substations being put in. There are these different data centers that are promising to generate some level of their own power. But ultimately, the situation right now is we are taking compute power. We're taking individual ownership of data and processing. We're taking even raw electricity. And we're taking it away from the average person and giving it to AI so that they can centralize all of the results inside things they own.

00:28:39.920 And I don't know if you remember this chase, but these people all tried to kill us, right? Like they all locked us in our houses and closed our churches. And I don't trust them with anything. I don't trust them with vaccines. I don't trust them with my health. I don't trust them with the governance. Why would I trust them with electricity production and the manufacturing of weapons and the creation of technology to spy on me all centralized in a place? I don't have access to it because they specifically made it too expensive for me to own my own computer.

00:29:08.740 you see where i'm going with this like like i again i i totally understand your argument it's

00:29:12.900 an it's a good point it's my favorite point in favor of ai but i just feel like it's not it's

00:29:17.880 not running up against some of the partial realities of how we're getting to this place

00:29:23.000 yeah i think i think that's a great point and i think you're looking like i mean maybe it's

00:29:27.640 nine months away maybe it's five years away is there a point at which you know your thesis in

00:29:32.320 the total state uh applied to ai comes true uh we're seeing this tension already play out with

00:29:38.960 the data center stuff we're seeing it um already happen in some ways but i still think there's

00:29:44.460 there's great not just use cases but um americans have to take an attitude um this pertinent to the

00:29:53.420 book is instead of fear and suspicion which is warranted sometimes and we're designed and

00:30:00.640 hardwired that way, not just theologically, biologically. There has to be, where's the

00:30:06.000 opportunity for me to take advantage of this? So for me, earlier you talked about these LLMs

00:30:11.500 that are curated, that you talk about teaching in classrooms with Google. So what I noticed

00:30:17.500 this problem with Christians going to either Google or other sites or other sources where 0.99

00:30:22.560 they're just getting all these answers. And I'm like, dude, we have all the sources. We can just 0.55

00:30:27.020 designed an AI bot to tell us exactly what the source says, not anything else. It's not going

00:30:32.440 to say anything else. And that's what I did at commonplace.study. A lot of people can go check

00:30:35.760 it out. But like, that's a, what I did is a great example of the average consumer. And I'm not

00:30:41.600 getting, you know, throttled. I mean, you will get throttled. I was talking to my brother about 0.98

00:30:45.340 this. He's like, wait a second. I put in three prompts into this LLM and now I can't even do

00:30:49.020 anymore because I'm getting throttled and I have to pay more. I'm like, yeah. And that's part of

00:30:51.800 what you're talking about, Warren, is like they're preferring the corporation. And so it does feel

00:30:58.080 like a battle. But this has been true in a lot of areas of the Industrial Revolution with any kind

00:31:03.160 of resources that have been produced where corporations get better prices. I see this in

00:31:08.020 the church world. Smaller churches often get kind of blocked out of really good deals on, let's say,

00:31:14.240 church communication software or any other product because at scale, the cost is so much better than

00:31:19.860 when you're just a small church you can't afford these big this access to the big technology so

00:31:24.320 this has always been a tension between resources that we're creating resources we're having and

00:31:29.720 so yeah i think it would be foolish to kind of sit back and go well it's all bad i'm not going

00:31:34.300 to participate i'm like no learn user agency try to figure out a way to utilize something create

00:31:40.500 something design something implement it in a way that can advantage you uh because those that don't

00:31:46.500 learn it, don't take advantage of it, will get left behind. And their jobs could be eaten up

00:31:52.220 by people who are more competent at implementing these tools.

00:31:56.580 Yeah. And I understand that argument. And it has a good track record on previous technologies. So

00:32:05.240 I am not going to trash it out of hand. I do think that artificial intelligence is different in a

00:32:12.280 pretty fundamental way uh that said though like as i already acknowledged i am a good accelerationist

00:32:17.980 and i do think that ultimately this is going to happen one way or another and so there is a very

00:32:22.500 strong argument for if this is inevitable then you need to be in control of the process um i just

00:32:28.860 worry worry very deeply um that very little is thought is being put into what that means uh

00:32:35.800 especially for the average person i don't think the average person is going to adjust to ai

00:32:40.240 any more than the average person adjusted to the service economy or even the industrial

00:32:47.640 revolution.

00:32:48.340 I think there will be quite a bit of negative impact on the average human condition due

00:32:55.540 to this, though perhaps every time this is simply a crucible that one must emerge from

00:33:00.540 on the other side, perhaps there is no way to reject the metaphysics of the washing machine

00:33:07.520 as it is called.

00:33:09.380 But let's go ahead and finish this up real quick.

00:33:11.980 Actually, the equipment here, Tucker, that's where it's made.

00:33:14.640 But I'm OK.

00:33:16.600 Well, actually, a lot of this has been in China, as I know, you know.

00:33:19.980 So that's my whole point.

00:33:21.240 I don't want to do that anymore.

00:33:22.860 I want to start making it here.

00:33:24.400 I want to do advanced robotics.

00:33:25.500 I totally agree.

00:33:27.540 But the promise of AI and robotics is that the robots will make the products of the future.

00:33:34.800 So how exactly does that result in American jobs?

00:33:38.400 If you're in the camp of debt, every job is replaced by a machine.

00:33:42.580 I don't buy that.

00:33:43.680 I just don't agree with you because it's never happened that way.

00:33:45.740 I'm not saying I don't want that to happen.

00:33:47.600 Trust me.

00:33:48.140 I'm really worried about it.

00:33:49.480 Almost panicked.

00:33:50.920 But I'm trying to feel better.

00:33:53.640 Okay, then please make me feel better.

00:33:55.660 Where are these millions of new jobs?

00:33:57.760 What specifically are you talking about?

00:33:59.680 Well, you know, every time technology advances, it creates new opportunities that were not

00:34:04.000 foreseen prior, because you don't know the direction of new tech. You know, think about

00:34:10.360 if you and I, because we were actually around in the late 80s, contemplating what new jobs would

00:34:15.320 be created by the internet. And look at what's happened. It's created millions of jobs and

00:34:23.800 advanced all kinds of technologies and changed the way we live to the better. And I would say to you,

00:34:29.640 the same angst we had the same narrative that was going on in 1992 about how the internet is

00:34:37.120 going to wipe out the economy and it's a bad thing and it's dangerous of course people loathe

00:34:43.720 change i don't know man i watch a lot of kids staring into portals into hell like 15 hours a

00:34:49.960 day and i guess this is less compelling for me than others like i get it we have to be better

00:34:55.640 than everybody else but like do we though like is like like how much of the future and and and

00:35:00.920 here's my my final thing before we move on to your book because i really want to uh make sure we have

00:35:04.980 enough time to talk about that um i couldn't include it because this is like a two-hour

00:35:09.700 interview but near the end he also sneaks in and says oh by the way i think we should have open

00:35:16.260 borders with canada and we should turn ourselves into the eu and be able to move freely between

00:35:21.860 the borders by the way in case you didn't know canada is busy replacing its entire population

00:35:26.600 with the subcontinent like can canada is now just a outpost of india at this point so open borders

00:35:32.660 with canada means basically just infinite indians going directly into the united states which

00:35:38.220 weirdly just seems to always be the goal of these people for some reason but really importantly he's

00:35:44.620 acknowledging that a large number of these jobs will be destroyed at some level by robots and

00:35:50.600 then is like but what if we open the borders right like and it's it's it's crazy because 0.85

00:35:55.780 logically of course ai proponents should say oh no this will make it so we don't need to import

00:36:02.400 people and i think that's what you'd say too chase but but all the guys running these programs 0.61

00:36:07.980 like to a man every one of them is like and we should open the borders and and bring in as many 0.94

00:36:13.000 indians as possible every one of them knows they're destroying jobs every one of them knows 1.00

00:36:17.360 they're replacing those jobs with computers every one of them is still saying we should bring in 1.00

00:36:21.840 millions and millions of people and open the border something here smells like something here

00:36:27.520 is that they must know these arguments they have to have heard that surely someone has sat them

00:36:32.840 down and told them this and yet they continue to repeat the open borders argument sneak it into

00:36:36.820 everything that's another thing that concerns me yeah i agree i mean like and i think the

00:36:41.480 fundamental question is that that everyone needs to be wrestling with is what does it mean to be

00:36:45.340 human and how does this increase our capacity to be more like christ or not and what these guys

00:36:52.660 often focus on is they absolutely ignore like that you can look back on the internet that's fine

00:36:58.820 and notice he painted it all in just this rosy like look how much better life is and i'm like

00:37:04.540 man like i don't yeah sure we have great tech i can be on the show with you because of the internet

00:37:09.560 uh right there's wonderful things that have come out of the internet there's also terrible terrible

00:37:13.840 terrible things and it's it led to disastrous consequences formationally uh in terms of what

00:37:20.260 it means to be human what it means to thrive in life what it means to grow to maturity what it

00:37:24.020 means to be satisfied and content what it means to love the lord god with all your heart soul

00:37:27.760 mind and strength and love others as yourself they're not they're not incongruent like they

00:37:31.500 it's not like we need to be one no bear and just go uh uh farm or something and go back to an

00:37:36.080 agrarian lifestyle although that that would uh that would solve a lot of issues in its own way

00:37:40.240 in terms of men and women but it it's just like they totally just are it seems like they're full 0.97

00:37:45.780 of pride where they have no capacity for humility and and uh not just counting the consequence not

00:37:52.460 like a consequence uh consequence uh an argument by consequences they don't even have the ability

00:37:59.520 to go like yeah it's also produced a lot of evil and so like what are we going to do about that how

00:38:03.440 are we going to either mitigate that or what are we going to do and i yeah that's a totally fair

00:38:06.640 point and it's very weird and um yeah yeah again as i know i'm somebody who has like i would only

00:38:13.720 i only have this job now because of the internet right like clearly i never would have been able

00:38:19.880 to climb i never would have been able to build my own brand and and and get the level of audience

00:38:25.540 that i have uh built without that like i tried to go through the mainstream machine i was entirely

00:38:30.280 rejected never even got through the door so i'm thoroughly aware of like the value of this

00:38:36.000 technology at the same time is my job worth the fact that the average man uh is still unmarried

00:38:44.040 at 30 years old like is it is my job still worth the fact that the average child is spending you

00:38:50.700 know 12 hours a day in front of the screen like these are the questions that i struggle with and

00:38:55.020 i again i know there's some level of inevitability to this i understand that i i'm i'm not the guy

00:39:01.620 who thinks that ultimately we can just throw ourselves into the gears of the machine and

00:39:05.680 shut it down. But I'm just asking for people to slow down and think about this for a second

00:39:12.320 and consider if there isn't some way we can implement this with a guardrail that protects

00:39:18.740 humanity and the future of our employment and our environment and all of these things.

00:39:24.440 There are a lot of people who are currently getting eminent domain so that new data centers

00:39:29.840 can be built. They're having their water polluted. They're having their electricity removed.

00:39:34.840 Like, these are things that are just happening at the beginning of this revolution. We haven't even gotten to the jobs or any other apocalyptic predictions. We're just talking about this. And so I just think that that's a conversation worth having, even if perhaps it's ultimately doomed to not solve the problem.

00:39:50.980 All right. So, Chase, you have a new book coming out, Offensive Christianity, a term that I think most people would probably blink a few times at when they see it on the shelf.

00:40:03.780 Isn't the purpose of modern Christianity to simply be like the most soft, accepting, demure thing in the world?

00:40:13.500 Aren't all Christians just supposed to be the least offensive human beings in the world?

00:40:18.980 how could you name a book offensive christianity yeah it's incredible i mean believe it or not 0.95

00:40:23.460 jesus christ did not come to make us a bunch of doormats uh in every aspect of our life uh

00:40:28.980 shocker i know and it really does connect to what we were talking about earlier a lot of people

00:40:32.640 because my book the work is deeply connected to what it means to be a man what does it mean to be

00:40:37.940 made uh in god's image and how does it play out and today what we've had in the last century is

00:40:44.000 a lot of work that's been done to basically hollow out men, to neuter and geld them, to make them

00:40:49.440 powerless and less agenic, and recast Christ as some kind of pacifist instead of the king of kings

00:40:56.800 and lord of lords. So a lot of people when they come to LLMs, like we were talking about, they

00:41:01.260 think it's very human. They're like, this is just a human I'm talking to. It's like, no, it's not a

00:41:05.300 human. And we've reduced our humanity so much that we think that talking to a chatbot on a screen is

00:41:10.320 like, this is human interaction. It's like, no, it's not. This is not what it means to be human.

00:41:15.160 And that just reflects the crisis that particularly men are in today. So my book mainly, almost 0.94

00:41:21.280 exclusively talks about the nature of men, what they were made for. My thesis is that they're

00:41:26.020 made for glory. Ultimately, that glory is found in eternity in Jesus Christ. But for the longest

00:41:34.140 time now, most people, like you mentioned, have conceived of Christianity as kind of this wet

00:41:40.040 blanket that produces weak and woke men, that produces men that are unable to articulate and

00:41:45.100 defend their faith or defend their nation in a Christ-like manner. Many of our big Eva kind of 0.59

00:41:50.920 overlords, the academicians, the pastors, the people in charge, they have suggested that basically,

00:41:58.320 one, you definitely can't be right wing. Two, there's nothing in our Christian history

00:42:03.640 that would legitimize the use of force, power, or deterrence in order to stop what is happening

00:42:09.360 to our nation. And I couldn't more utterly disagree with this. And that's why I wrote the

00:42:13.320 book, is I'm trying to show from history and from theological anthropology, the study of man,

00:42:19.220 what they were designed for, and how they can reclaim their agency, reclaim their kind of

00:42:24.960 masculine energy and power in their life and do it biblically and understand the Bible biblically.

00:42:31.000 So many of these passages that have just been ripped out of context to basically suggest that

00:42:37.020 civilizational suicide is next to godliness. Like this is just insanity. And it disgusts me.

00:42:44.460 And that does come through in the book in some places. But the bigger picture, the positive

00:42:50.360 vision for men is, look, it doesn't not only does Christianity not create need or need to create a

00:42:56.680 bunch of weak, passive men who will not defend their homes, will not defend their nation. But

00:43:01.860 in fact, it gives you all the resources you do need to have a strong theological, biblically

00:43:07.960 sound, legitimate defense of life, and legitimate way to engage in the world that's much more

00:43:14.260 satisfying than being a people pleaser and a nice guy everywhere you go.

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00:43:46.500 I think this is so important because one of the things we hear today from those who, you know, want to see some kind of change in the West, but often will deride Christianity, one of the things that they'll say is, well, Christianity got us here, right?

00:44:05.440 they won't fight you on we were a christian country they say yeah that's the problem

00:44:09.320 that this is where christianity takes you it tells you to let your enemy kill you it tells you

00:44:14.980 that you have to forgive your enemy and therefore that must mean of course that you must submit to

00:44:19.080 them at every turn never hold power it tells you not to fight for anything these are the ideas that

00:44:24.180 they have about christianity and you know mainly because this is what the media has told you this

00:44:29.060 is what even large churches have told you that is what christianity is supposed to be you're supposed 0.97

00:44:33.920 to be a doormat you're supposed to take a beating especially as a man you should never have any 0.81

00:44:37.860 agency you should never have any assertiveness any attempt to you know point out the truth or 0.76

00:44:42.920 put any kind of restrictions on someone or enforce any kind of principle or exercise power these are

00:44:47.680 all very bad traits these you know these masculine traits are actually evil and so we have to purge

00:44:54.260 them and of course i think we've seen the rise of a incredibly feminine christianity mainly because

00:45:02.320 the church was dominated for the last few decades by women men fell away from the church now we're

00:45:08.240 seeing that shift we're seeing a lot of men come back and hopefully that has a mix but the fact

00:45:12.880 that you know we're seeing the push for like female pastors from you know places like the

00:45:17.220 southern baptist convention like that's not an accident i think these are tied together and i

00:45:21.920 think you do have to address those criticisms if you want people to take christianity seriously

00:45:27.160 as a way to revivify the American spirit and kind of the masculine identity that would allow it to

00:45:34.360 carry forward. Yeah, so many of our churches have become feminized, and you can just see it in the

00:45:38.720 way they carry themselves, project themselves, their marketing, what they talk about, what they

00:45:43.120 don't talk about, and how they talk about those things, the very music they play. And so I'm a

00:45:48.860 big believer in going back to Christian history, going back to understanding the faith of our

00:45:54.440 forefathers, honestly. What was the Christianity that our forefathers believed? You had a mix

00:45:59.260 of Presbyterians, Anglicans, Baptists, Congregationalists, all at the founding, 0.98

00:46:04.500 and none of the Protestant heritage that we have as Americans seem to run contrary to throwing off

00:46:11.760 the British Empire and declaring independence from them. And yet all the teaching, all the

00:46:17.860 teaching you're going to get out there when you go and you find these big-name pastors,

00:46:22.320 big name Christian thinkers who are popular today, it would totally just cut men off at

00:46:28.880 the knees from ever trying to assert such independence, agency, acting in their own 0.79

00:46:35.020 interest. I mean, all of that would seem incongruous to the Christian faith, to the modern 0.59

00:46:40.040 man. And I'm like, no, we need to go back. We need to understand the faith that they understood. 0.79

00:46:45.900 And that's, again, this is the last time I'll mention it, but this is part of the reason I'm

00:46:49.060 not just trying to write this book to equip men and call them to something greater, call them to

00:46:53.520 be Christ-like in every aspect, call them to pursue glory, pursue eternal glory in Jesus Christ.

00:46:59.100 But I'm also trying to resource them with resources. One thing I found is I want to go

00:47:03.440 read what the founders read. I want to read the theology that hasn't been polluted by feminism,

00:47:07.880 which is pretty much everything in the second half of the 20th century. If you're an evangelical,

00:47:11.920 that's what you've been reading many times, especially books on manhood. We saw this with

00:47:15.780 like men's retreats and wild at heart and many other kind of men's movements in the 90s and

00:47:20.980 2000s, where basically what it meant to be a good whole man was to become more womanly was basically

00:47:26.280 to go to men's retreat and cry more to get more in touch with your emotions, up your emotional

00:47:30.160 intelligence. How did we get here? Well, I think we've forgotten the sources. And so that's why

00:47:35.720 I've referenced before my website, commonplace.study. That's why I built a site was so that

00:47:40.420 I myself can access sources, you can access sources, you can see what our forefathers were

00:47:44.940 actually believing and reading because I'm so tired of these publishers getting away with these

00:47:49.240 feminized books that are just rampant. I mean, it's the latest, greatest book most Christians 0.99

00:47:54.180 are going to read at a coffee shop, whether it's John Mark Homer or something else. They're going

00:47:58.320 to read these kind of therapeutic books that teach men godliness. In order for you to become godly,

00:48:05.140 you need to suppress or at least you need to at least suppress, if not obliterate your masculine

00:48:10.340 nature, your power, your desire for competition, for victory, for dominion, and you need to become 1.00

00:48:16.800 more like a woman. And I just, I find this repugnant. Women are wonderfully made. Men are 1.00

00:48:22.860 wonderfully made. We should honor both. We should do what the Bible says in terms of relationship

00:48:27.440 roles. We should understand how they were designed, how they were hardwired, especially biologically.

00:48:32.920 And over the last half century, we've seen men in America, I think even globally, just to use one

00:48:38.420 example biologically their testosterone has just dropped off a cliff um that affects our ability

00:48:43.520 to reproduce to have a civilization um that's going to affect how we present christianity to

00:48:49.460 the world it's going to understand it's going to affect how we connect with the lord and with

00:48:52.460 others and it's no surprise to me that as the general population that testosterone has decreased

00:48:59.820 what we see in the pulpit is low t christianity is kind of this effeminate posturing this bowing

00:49:07.360 down to the gods of our age, too afraid to offend anyone. When we see that Jesus Christ himself was

00:49:12.540 not afraid to offend, Jesus was not afraid to offend. His disciples, Matthew 15, actually it's

00:49:19.120 almost an example of tone policing. I don't think they were tone policing, but they say, did you

00:49:22.280 know that you offended the Pharisees? And Jesus goes, yeah, I meant to. They needed to be offended. 0.73

00:49:27.680 And here's why. And he explains why. This idea that Christianity cannot be offensive just runs

00:49:32.920 totally contrary to the scriptures. We need to be men of prudence, wisdom, maturity. Of course,

00:49:38.420 we shouldn't just go around trying to be offending everyone all the time. That's foolishness. That's 0.67

00:49:43.660 not how the Bible teaches. But what we're trying to do is reclaim that masculine thumos is what I 0.99

00:49:48.760 talk about in the book, the power, the agency, the love of life, the joyous living of living

00:49:54.800 before the face of God and pursuing glory together. And that's what I'm trying to equip

00:49:58.580 men to do so chase i i love that you're writing a book like this i think it's critical and i love

00:50:05.800 that you're imploring you know young men to look to previous christian civilizations church fathers

00:50:13.280 founding fathers leaders of our faith to ultimately kind of rediscover that this was not the case you

00:50:20.300 whenever i have this discussion with some kind of online pagan it's always like well christianity

00:50:25.000 you can never can't fight anything it's like i don't know man tell that to charles martel tell

00:50:29.860 that to charlemagne you know like it's sorry i hate to break this to you but there's a long

00:50:33.980 history of conquering powerful christians however i will say this i love i love the encouragement

00:50:40.900 but i think that for a lot of people especially even some conservatives they're going to be

00:50:46.640 hesitant to look back at that for the same reason they're currently hesitant to look back at say

00:50:51.780 our founding fathers when it comes to what america is what what is an american well john jay tells us

00:50:57.260 right like we don't have to guess at that kind of stuff but that opens up all kinds of scary things

00:51:02.380 it turns out that these you know these church fathers these founding fathers they're actually

00:51:06.580 like really patriarchal and they have a very real and serious understandings of like what male and

00:51:13.040 female roles should be and what marriage should look like and how society should be structured

00:51:17.500 And most of these things are really, um, offensive actually. Like they even have views on, you know, race and other things that, you know, are actually compatible with Christianity, but are very not liberal and very not modern. And these are things that we are not allowed to think about. You could be, you could be part of the woke, right? If you're, if you're looking into these things.

00:51:39.820 So I think it's great. And I think it's a good way for people to look at their history, understand their faith better, recapture those understandings that were very masculine. But at the same time, I think it's also going to run up against those same problems, because I think even many conservatives and Christians are not ready for real historical Christianity than they are for real historical Americanism.

00:52:04.360 Yeah, I totally agree. And I think they're deeply connected. And that's why I really focus on the nature of men. I mean, Matt Walsh, I thought it was a fantastic documentary. What is a woman? I think the answer at the end was a little flat in terms of being satisfying. It was good enough biologically. But what about the men?

00:52:21.880 you know the new york times is asking where are the men everyone wants to know where the men

00:52:26.000 i think when to me i don't want to make it too linear but our political kind of outworking and

00:52:33.540 how we do politics is going to be based in how we understand the nature of men and his intended

00:52:37.860 purpose and each every man is made with a body and soul that's how god designed us and uh you

00:52:44.560 mentioned earlier in the episode about kind of disembodied spirits right there is a time in the

00:52:49.220 intermediate state where we will be disembodied, but that's not the end destination. We will be

00:52:55.340 before the Lord, and then we will be reunited with our bodies in the end. Our bodies were made with

00:52:59.540 a purpose. The biology that we have matters, and it matters more than just being able to define

00:53:03.320 male or female. It matters intrinsically for building civilizations because it's men who

00:53:08.060 build civilizations. I mean, that's irrefutable throughout history. No great world power has

00:53:14.160 ever arisen from women. That's just facts. That's just history. And so what I'm trying to offer 1.00

00:53:20.880 people is not just a confrontation with, yes, the kind of like those on the right who are more pagan 0.93

00:53:28.120 in their perspective that would suggest Christianity is not just useless, but harmful 0.68

00:53:32.740 to our civilizational kind of reclamation project, but also those Christians who are 0.98

00:53:38.540 weak and confused on these issues. And my heart is for men to reclaim and understand the life 0.92

00:53:45.740 when Jesus said, I've come to give them life and life to the full. I want men to live life to the

00:53:50.620 full. I want them to stop being resentful and bitter and looking around at blaming other people,

00:53:57.300 not that there's not people to blame, not that there's not reasons that you could be resentful.

00:54:01.840 I want them to live full of life to the glory of God and everything they do. And I think we've

00:54:06.260 overcomplicated it and made it seem like in order to live life, uh, to the glory of God,

00:54:12.360 that just means some kind of like hippie out in the woods crying because of the sunset,

00:54:17.040 you know, like that's what a lot of people, uh, interpret true spirituality is even Christians,

00:54:22.000 you know, it's, it's a lot of mountaintop experiences. It's a lot of kind of these

00:54:26.140 therapeutic emotional, uh, connections with some kind of divine being. And I'm like, look,

00:54:32.080 this is not what Christianity promotes. Here's what Christianity promotes. We want strong, 0.82

00:54:38.080 virtuous men who are full of wisdom and maturity. And my book is just one of many resources,

00:54:43.280 but I think one that's unique that can help men understand their nature and live more into their

00:54:48.920 nature, more in line with God's word. So that ultimately what I want to see is America saved.

00:54:54.580 I want to see America, not just saved from its enemies, but I want to see America turn back to

00:54:58.340 the Lord. And I want to see more people come to understand how God has designed them.

00:55:03.600 Amen. And guys, let me remind you that, you know, I, I talk a lot about the problems we have

00:55:11.900 in the world on this show. And I think that's important. I don't think it does anyone any good

00:55:16.840 to be some kind of fake cheerleader, to sell you some bill of goods, how victory is right around

00:55:22.240 the corner and it's going to be really easy and all this stuff. But ultimately we have to recognize

00:55:28.720 that this is not, we don't go through the things that are wrong just so we can then wallow in

00:55:35.080 self-pity or give up or black pill or any of these things. Yeah. It turns out that actually, uh, just,

00:55:41.360 you know, Jesus and a few other guys were against the entire Roman empire. That's probably a pretty 0.99

00:55:46.960 rough climb, like probably even worse than what we have to do. And our climb is not easy, but

00:55:52.080 comparatively it's nowhere close to what Christ and his followers had to do. And yet they won at

00:55:57.600 the end, right? Because ultimately Christ is King. And that's what you need to be doing. If you are

00:56:02.340 finding yourself in despair, if you're finding yourself in a moment where you feel hopeless,

00:56:05.920 if you ultimately find yourself blaming others for where you're at, yes, you need to get up.

00:56:09.960 Yes. You need to clean your room. Yes. You need to do all that Jordan Peterson stuff,

00:56:12.820 but also you need to find Christ and you need to put your faith in Christ because ultimately

00:56:16.660 that is what's going to get through all of those times. That is the ultimate victory from which

00:56:21.500 all other victories are going to flow. And that's always going to give you the reason to push forward

00:56:26.500 even when it seems like things are bleak. So Chase, we got to go to the questions of the

00:56:30.640 people here real quick. But before we do, where do people find your book? It is out now over at

00:56:35.940 Founders Press. The best way to buy it is go to offensivechristianitybook.com. There's a link right

00:56:41.240 there that goes to Founders website. You're going to get a hardcover when you order it today.

00:56:46.660 Uh, next week, it's going to be out on Amazon. If you follow me on social at JJ Stavis,

00:56:50.840 you will be sure to know when it's on Amazon. I will let you know when it's on Amazon,

00:56:54.600 but it'll be there next week. But today it's out. Now you can go pick it up.

00:56:58.240 Offensive Christianity book.com. There you go. You can pick it up today, guys. Don't wait. 0.77

00:57:02.980 Uh, but eventually it'll be on Amazon too. If you need to. All right, let's get our questions

00:57:08.200 done real quick. Let's see. Sean Weiland says problem is that Thorsten Veblen cartels for,

00:57:15.860 electricity, chip production, et cetera, are not adding production of supply. They're just

00:57:21.740 increasing prices. Yeah. And this is, again, my issue across the board here. This reminds me quite

00:57:28.320 a bit of Sam Francis's explanation of the dematerialization of property. Yes, technically,

00:57:37.980 we're increasing the technology, the sophistication, but it's being concentrated

00:57:43.840 in the hands of smaller and smaller amounts of people who have total control over that compute

00:57:48.440 so yeah you you have more demand and everyone's like oh well i'm a libertarian i believe in

00:57:53.560 capitalism of course they'll create more of this stuff what if they can't what if there's actually

00:57:57.600 a pretty finite amount of production right now because like we're literally considering going

00:58:02.280 to war over taiwan because production is so limited so obviously you know ideally yes like

00:58:07.960 market conditions would produce more of this but they haven't yet and they didn't produce more

00:58:13.240 antibiotic production or anything else so i guess my concern as i already previously stated is that

00:58:19.280 this is all going to centralize into the hands of the very people who have already you know

00:58:23.880 completely screwed us over in every other aspect of our lives and now they're just going to control

00:58:28.300 all the compute power um in the technology we told we had to have what they really mean is they 0.97

00:58:34.000 had to have it because like to be clear the very first thing ai is going to do is not create jobs

00:58:40.320 it's going to create totalitarianism like 100 the very first thing every government is going to do

00:58:45.560 with like true very powerful ai is spy on literally everything you do and consolidate

00:58:51.560 all that information and use it to control your life like i'm sorry there's just no way that's

00:58:56.720 not going to happen if you have paid any attention to what's going on and so this rushed ai is like

00:59:01.400 well we have to control it's like well who's the we right because like i i know i understand why

00:59:05.580 americans would want to be in front of china but will the people running america care about like

00:59:11.080 that ultimately like they only want to keep out in front of china so they can benefit them i i think

00:59:15.940 the way they'll keep in front of china is to introduce more chinese style social controls

00:59:20.040 in the united states and ai will be a key to that that that's my real concern is that the people who

00:59:25.640 are so excited about free market progress are literally building the system in which they will

00:59:30.600 be surveilled in gulag digitally um well while talking about how amazing the free market is

00:59:35.600 uh but anyway sean also says as elon musk warned training llms to lie to us to be the uh to be pc

00:59:45.360 will end in disaster like how uh unaliving its crew in 2001 space odyssey yeah again you don't

00:59:51.960 have to we people always do this thing this one two step where they're like well you think that

00:59:57.100 ai is going to be god and so if it doesn't become god it can't be dangerous like no no no there are

01:00:02.120 all kinds of medium-term dangers to ai like it can get advanced not so much more than it is now

01:00:09.020 but if it's integrated into everything it's going to kill your car when the government tells you 0.68

01:00:13.020 to it's going to uh mess up things and kill people on a regular basis like because it doesn't

01:00:18.460 understand the process because it doesn't have the level of reasoning that you want to believe it has

01:00:22.620 There are all kinds of problems that will arise without AI becoming this anti-Christ super being. 0.98

01:00:31.220 It can just be dumb computers and still ruin your life.

01:00:35.120 And if the LLMs are trained to lie to us, I do think not only will it end a disaster like unaliving the crew in 2001 Space Odyssey, but it will totally erode confidence in AI. 0.95

01:00:47.200 It will trick, like you said, much of the population into believing lies.

01:00:51.380 but for those who are already primed uh with suspicions uh rightfully so on many areas it

01:00:58.240 will just further justify uh kind of like why we can't trust this stuff because it already does

01:01:03.440 it makes stuff up it hallucinates oh absolutely uh you know it's going to and and nobody will be

01:01:09.560 honest about the parameters that's what really frustrates me nobody's being honest about how

01:01:14.800 they're designing these systems and the parameters the inputs and when you've got a moral philosopher 1.00

01:01:18.860 from, I believe it's Edinburgh again, a woman who's coming in to design the kind of moral 0.75

01:01:23.900 framework for Anthropic, that should be not just alarming, but we should demand transparency. I'm 0.97

01:01:28.820 like, what are you telling it to produce on the screen? And what is it not allowed to talk about

01:01:32.860 like that? That's really, at least bugs me. I assume it bugs other people too. I don't like

01:01:37.300 that stuff. Jacob Zendel says, AI will replace lawyers first. No, AI will replace paralegals,

01:01:45.020 law consultants admins at major law firms trial lawyers will never be replaced until bots are

01:01:50.320 allowed to take the bar exam good for independent lawyers that's true at some level the problem is

01:01:56.080 it's going to eliminate all those like lighter ladder climbing positions in law firms right

01:02:01.000 so at some level it will now allow entrepreneurial lawyers to go out and have their own practices and

01:02:07.980 not have to hire these massive teams but of course if you don't have those teams what happens to all

01:02:13.000 the other people who were like moving towards becoming a lawyer in the law profession i know

01:02:17.660 efficiency is better i understand that like i get that at some level but i i just remember that like

01:02:24.640 again 80 of people aren't the that top percentage that's going to ultimately benefit this and we

01:02:31.640 can't just pretend those people are going to be fine like that that that's not i think a reasonable

01:02:36.660 assumption we have we have to think about the consequences of that looks like jacob uh sent

01:02:42.120 the same one there thank you again sir appreciate that uh sean says again great uh feminization is

01:02:48.480 downstream of 2008 gfc and china shock only feminine demand in inducement jobs remain in

01:02:55.380 america masculine jobs sent to china i think the timeline on that is uh way too short i think that

01:03:00.760 became in the 1960s but you're right like you're ultimately correct that that is the trajectory i

01:03:04.960 would just draw that causality far far earlier but i think that's correct i draw it all the way back

01:03:10.340 to the enlightenment so you know yeah there you go that's that's how that's how we play the base

01:03:14.860 game well i draw it back to the protestant reformation well i draw it back to you know

01:03:18.640 like the founding of the roman empire uh andy carter uh or andy carter says a long time listener

01:03:26.600 first time catching you live thanks for your great streams for the great guests that i really enjoy

01:03:31.080 well thank you very much man i appreciate that uh it's so great that we do have the live audience

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01:04:11.040 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up. Once again, always fantastic speaking

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - May 15, 2026

Will AI Data Centers Destroy America？｜ Chase Davis ｜ 5⧸15⧸26

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - May 15, 2026

Will AI Data Centers Destroy America？ ｜ Chase Davis ｜ 5⧸15⧸26

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Will AI Data Centers Destroy America？｜ Chase Davis ｜ 5⧸15⧸26