The Auron MacIntyre Show - Will Canada Start Euthanizing Babies？｜ Guest： Black Horse ｜ 2⧸11⧸26

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00:00:51.020 subscription. Well, it is another day and another dystopian story coming out of Canada. Sadly,

00:00:59.960 our neighbor to the north has continued to experience quite a bit of, well, gay race communism 0.98

00:01:06.140 tragedy across many different levels. The main story we're talking about today is the possibility

00:01:12.380 that Canada will be extending its euthanasia program to people like infants. We're not talking

00:01:18.660 about abortions here. We're talking about actually executing babies well after they have been bored

00:01:24.340 in the idea that somehow this is a relief to them. This is somehow humane. But we also need to talk a

00:01:30.740 little bit about a active shooting situation that occurred in Canada today. Tragically, some of the

00:01:36.420 top news coming out of Canada is that a number of children are dead after a mass school shooting put

00:01:41.820 on by another trans shooter. Joining me today to talk about this is Canadian commentator Blackhorse.

00:01:48.260 Blackhorse, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you very much for having me. No problem. One day,

00:01:53.260 I'm going to have you on and we'll talk about like how great things are and Canada is just doing

00:01:57.620 fantastic. And man, can you believe there's another amazing day in Canada? Sadly, I think I've only

00:02:02.920 really chew on mainly to talk about Canada when something horrific has happened. But let's dive into,

00:02:10.780 I guess, the big news and then we'll go to our actual topic for the show today. So coming out

00:02:18.600 of Canada today, there was a mass shooting. There are 25 people wounded as far as we know, 10 dead.

00:02:26.260 It looks like there is an active shooter in a school for quite a while. We know that Canada already has

00:02:32.080 relatively restrictive gun laws and that they've been continued to pushing for more of these gun laws.

00:02:38.640 Obviously, these did not prevent the initial shooting. I don't know how, you know, we don't

00:02:43.620 know much about whether how this gun was obtained, these kind of things. But obviously, there's an

00:02:47.700 emphasis on gun violence or the worry that this will somehow be predominant in Canada. And those

00:02:54.720 laws haven't seemed to do much. The one thing that we do consistently see, however, is that actual

00:03:00.500 shootings seem to come very predominantly now in the United States and in many other countries

00:03:06.120 from trans shooters, from students who believe themselves to be, you know, stuck in the wrong

00:03:12.180 body, these kind of things, creating this kind of terrorism. Can you go a little bit into the

00:03:17.800 shooting, its details and what you think the initial reaction is going to be from Canadian

00:03:22.200 media, politicians, that kind of thing?

00:03:24.100 Yeah, so the shooter here is a male to female transsexual, I guess is the correct term. It is in a very 1.00

00:03:34.580 isolated community in northeastern British Columbia, which is in the on the eastern side of the Rocky

00:03:43.600 Mountains, kind of community where firearms are ubiquitous. You know, it's the center of wolf country,

00:03:50.880 the center of grizzly bear country, that kind of thing. So it's not a surprise that the trans person 0.99

00:03:57.600 was able to obtain a firearm. The firearm which was used, we have an image of the likely firearm,

00:04:07.280 which looks like some kind of hunting rifle. So it's not exactly the kind of thing you can

00:04:11.840 ban in that that kind of territory, or at least it would be a really aggressive imposition to do so.

00:04:19.040 Canada is already in the midst of an attempt to buy back a large number of firearms. So it's a very

00:04:23.600 active political issue right at the moment. The shooter apparently has like a long history

00:04:32.880 of internet radicalism and in real life bad behavior.

00:04:37.360 that was ongoing. And there is a publication ban in Canada on the details. So for example, if you go to

00:04:48.240 any Canadian media outlet, you will not discover that this person was trans. You will not see an

00:04:55.280 image of the shooter, you will not see see his name. The predicate for this is that the shooter is a minor,

00:05:01.200 a minor who was nevertheless well along in the process. I think he had been transitioning for

00:05:08.320 three years. Has the shooter survived the encounter? How was it? Do you know how if you

00:05:15.040 killed himself? I'm sorry, he killed himself. He did kill himself. Okay. And it appears he not only shot

00:05:23.120 kids in the school, but also two people in a nearby residence, unconfirmed, but it seems likely that it was

00:05:28.560 his home. So there is no reason to protect him at this point, even if there was some presumption

00:05:35.920 and in a sense, some need to have a trial, that kind of thing there. It's not like the Canadian 0.96

00:05:41.920 media is being blacked out because this guy needs to have the option of a fair trial. Some at some

00:05:47.040 point down the line, I think it's pretty easy to surmise that ultimately, you know, the reason that

00:05:52.080 this is being suppressed is due to the nature of the shooting or the possible motivations involved.

00:05:57.440 No, I mean, trans is an untouchable issue in Canada. The child of the current Prime Minister 0.77

00:06:05.680 of Canada is a trans person. And so it is unsurprising that you have a very aggressive 1.00

00:06:14.640 blackout strategy here. And, you know, that's kind of as far as I can speak about that, I suppose.

00:06:22.080 So in the United States, obviously, we've seen several tragic shootings that have been carried

00:06:30.720 out by trans individuals. I know that, you know, given your situation, you know, they're, you know,

00:06:37.520 sadly, free speech is not as real in many other countries as here. So feel free to, you know, navigate

00:06:43.760 that how you need to. But ultimately, it's very clear, as you say, that the rifle itself here is not,

00:06:50.080 it's nothing like the stereotypical, oh, man, we have to ban the scary black rifle situation.

00:06:57.200 As you said, this is a deer hunting rifle, you basically have to ban all guns, uh, for all reasons

00:07:02.960 in order to catch a gun like this, uh, at all. Uh, there's no extended magazines, there's no high rate

00:07:09.360 of fire. Uh, there, there's no, you know, there's, there's nothing outside a crazy person. There's just

00:07:16.240 a crazy person and a crazy person. Like it's an amazing thing to look at the footage that comes

00:07:25.840 out of it. The school is plastered in LGBT affirming, uh, messaging. It's got like a, a pride progress 0.80

00:07:34.400 flag outside. Everything that people on the, the sort of international left would say you need to

00:07:41.600 do in order to protect the mental health of a person like this was done and then some, and yet

00:07:47.280 here we are. Yeah. So even if you spread the, the lamb's blood across the door, uh, that doesn't really

00:07:54.000 solve the problem. As you're pointing out, this is not somebody who was going to a school where they

00:07:58.720 were likely receiving a lot of hate, a lot of, uh, you know, repression for their identity. In fact,

00:08:04.080 you know, in my experience, an American public school teaching, uh, any school, any child that

00:08:09.360 declares themselves trans, even in the state of Florida, which is supposed to be one of those

00:08:13.040 red base states, uh, they basically get a magic bubble. There's, you know, they can't be insulted.

00:08:17.360 They can't be bullied. They can't, you know, receive any real discipline. Uh, it's a magical shield

00:08:23.280 that protects them from almost any kind of consequence for their actions. And despite all of these

00:08:28.480 these accommodations that have been set out in the culture, despite the entire school being,

00:08:33.440 you know, like you said, wrapping itself around this ideology, uh, still the trans individual

00:08:38.800 decide that murdering, uh, many of their schoolmates is the key to actualizing what, whatever it is that

00:08:45.360 they are trying to deal with inside themselves, the rage, the hatred, uh, you know, the, the insanity,

00:08:50.640 uh, these are, these are all things that, uh, they, they simply cannot work out even with all of the

00:08:55.440 psychological support, all of the propaganda, all of the rules on their side. Uh, we still continue

00:09:00.720 to see this. Now, interestingly, it would appear, uh, that this individual also interacted with Matt

00:09:07.840 Walsh, uh, several years ago. Uh, there was a post about how anime had, uh, created some kind of

00:09:15.360 unrealistic gender, uh, dysphoria inside the student. They, they saw themselves not only as not being

00:09:21.600 female enough, but also not being able to ever attain, uh, kind of the proportions of an anime 1.00

00:09:28.080 female. So even if they did go through all of the surgeries and all of the, the hormone therapy and 0.68

00:09:33.120 everything else, uh, they would never achieve the look that they were looking for. And this was being

00:09:37.360 lamented. Uh, you can imagine when someone is looking at a cartoon of what is often a prepubescent 0.96

00:09:44.320 woman as a man and attempting to somehow physically replicate that, seeing as that, that is some kind 1.00

00:09:49.600 of, uh, objective they want to reach, uh, for their, you know, aesthetic sensibilities, uh, that,

00:09:54.960 you know, obviously that's wildly unrealistic and deeply unhealthy, uh, that that's going to drive

00:09:59.360 them, uh, to something dangerous, but it is kind of amazing that just a few years ago, uh, they were

00:10:04.400 talking about this. Walsh's is identifying this as a possible trigger for long-term mental health

00:10:10.160 and possible violence. And here we are, uh, seeing very tragically that prediction play out in real

00:10:15.920 life in the worst possible way. Yeah. I mean, you talked about the bubble of affirmation,

00:10:21.120 which very likely surrounded this student. I would say that, um, it may well, that it's,

00:10:27.760 it's not, it's not necessarily correct to say, in spite of the bubble of affirmation,

00:10:32.400 it's perhaps appropriate to say, because of the bubble of affirmation. I mean, we can't know,

00:10:37.920 we can't get inside this person's head, but certainly if you think about parenting and, uh,

00:10:45.200 social discipline of a normal teenager, uh, affirming everything that they do or say

00:10:51.440 would not be a, it's not a psychologically healthy way to treat anybody, much less a person who is 0.97

00:10:57.440 very obviously struggling with a mental health issue of some kind.

00:11:00.320 Right. Yeah. Obviously you, as an adult, uh, you know, parent, uh, it's, it's important to instruct

00:11:07.840 a child in the way they should go, give them, uh, boundaries, uh, give them supports to reality,

00:11:12.880 indulging them in any kind of delusion or destructive behavior is obviously, uh, very dangerous.

00:11:18.960 But when we're looking at something that is completely reality warping, completely destructive

00:11:23.600 to their core identity and their ability to process the world, uh, leaning in, as you point out,

00:11:28.960 is probably far more dangerous than pushing back. Uh, and so ultimately, uh, it, it is, uh,

00:11:35.200 perhaps the, the fact that they had such a permissive and affirming environment, uh, that

00:11:40.160 drives them to this. And this really ultimately, I think tells us that this is not a situation that

00:11:45.440 gets solved by anything, but the complete removal of this ideology, this understanding now in the U S

00:11:53.440 we have seen a little bit of a turn against this. I would say it's still prevalent in many

00:11:58.800 blue states. Uh, but the red states seem to have caught up a little bit with the ideology.

00:12:04.240 They're starting to pass bans on this kind of thing. Uh, the, the federal government is, is,

00:12:08.560 you know, banning, uh, the funding of these operations, the state governments in many cases

00:12:13.040 are trying to ban them outright, reduce funding, uh, stigmatize them in some way, remove, uh, you know,

00:12:18.800 the, the type of affirming, uh, uh, culture that we see, uh, in those environments. Uh, but in a place

00:12:27.760 like Canada, it sounds like there has been no, uh, uh, kind of, uh, reassessing of this scenario

00:12:34.480 that not only are they continuing, uh, to support this, they seem to be actively leaning further and

00:12:40.080 further into, uh, what has been a, in many ways discredited ideology. I mean, even places like the UK

00:12:45.840 are starting to turn against, uh, trans surgery, especially for children. Uh, but we're still seeing

00:12:51.360 Canada continue along this course or even accelerate. Yeah. We're still in full repressive tolerance mode

00:12:57.200 here against, uh, any attempt to revise course on this. Um, it's, it, Canada has, um, backtracked in it

00:13:08.880 on many of its other highly progressive projects in the last couple of years, but, uh, in this

00:13:15.600 particular area, it is full steam ahead. Uh, and, uh, based on the media response here, based on the

00:13:23.280 government response here, uh, that's not likely to change as a result of this event.

00:13:29.040 Well, obviously this is going to transition into our larger topic, uh, which is healthcare in Canada,

00:13:35.600 specifically the way that it applies the MAID program. So we're getting a little bit of the

00:13:40.160 window into the kind of the medical understanding and the way it interacts with politics through the

00:13:45.360 trans issue. But before we dive into, I guess, specifically the subject of state sponsored

00:13:52.240 euthanasia and the way it's quickly gone off the rails in Canada, I wanted to just zoom out a little

00:13:59.280 bit and get a general understanding of where the Canadian healthcare system is at. Because of course,

00:14:04.880 there are many people in the United States. We hear this all the time. Oh, well, you know,

00:14:08.800 Canada's got socialized medicine. They've got this, you know, single payer healthcare. You can go and get

00:14:14.320 healthcare there for free. We should have a system like that. Uh, there are many, many,

00:14:18.880 many huge problems with the American healthcare system. I'm not vindicating a single one of them,

00:14:23.680 to be clear. Uh, however, uh, it is interesting. Uh, I wonder, uh, what is the rate for healthcare in

00:14:31.680 a place like Canada? Because I think it, it is important to recognize that part of the, the MAID

00:14:37.840 program, one of its draws, uh, ultimately could be, and I don't know, I don't, I doubt that they

00:14:42.720 would say this out loud, but maybe they have, and you can tell me if they had, that it ultimately

00:14:46.640 will reduce an aging population. It will reduce a ill population. It gives you a easier and cheaper 0.99

00:14:53.680 way to dispose of people who would need long-term care, uh, and on a system that may already be

00:14:59.760 straining due to, uh, the generosity of its benefits and the overload of, uh, kind of, uh,

00:15:05.520 especially immigrants that have come in, in the last few years. Uh, this could be a motivating 1.00

00:15:10.480 factor for continuing to push and expand, uh, the, the auspices of the MAID program.

00:15:17.040 Yeah. There's a lot you, you said there, and I want to kind of take it apart piece by piece. Uh,

00:15:23.600 Americans often describe the Canadian single payer healthcare system as like a complete socialized

00:15:30.400 system. That's not entirely true. It's a mixed system. So, uh, primary care, hospital care,

00:15:40.560 is single payer state sponsored, but a lot of the other elements of healthcare,

00:15:46.000 a lot of prescriptions, a lot of, uh, long-term care, a lot of, um, sort of at the edge of healthcare

00:15:54.000 activities, like, um, like elder care, uh, are private pay, uh, insurance, that kind of stuff.

00:16:03.280 So when you're dealing with an issue like MAID, where you're dealing with people that are, um,

00:16:09.760 chronically ill or elderly or both, uh, you're, you're dealing with people who are receiving

00:16:16.400 a mixture of privately paid care and, uh, publicly funded care. Um, so that, that's kind of the first

00:16:24.000 piece. The Canadian healthcare system is certainly straining. Uh, and it, the, the government has a

00:16:30.720 strategy of allocating funding, um, in order to maximize certain kind of managerial metrics.

00:16:39.440 Uh, so certain parts of the system are really, really well funded. So for example, Canada has

00:16:46.320 absolutely world-class prenatal care. So if you, if you go to a hospital before and during childbirth,

00:16:52.560 you will get absolutely world-class care in Canada. If you go to the hospital because you

00:16:57.120 have cancer and you're 70, you will not get care, which is as high quality as you will get in private

00:17:03.200 systems because the funding apparatus, uh, selects the care that they provide in part based on what

00:17:12.640 kind of care is going to maximize its metrics. Um, so if you, you understand why you would triage,

00:17:20.640 uh, you know, for infants, prenatal care, you know, younger people, uh, that, that, that has a certain

00:17:26.240 level of, uh, logic to it. Um, that does, however, of course, I think in the minds of many Americans

00:17:32.800 kind of echo, uh, the warning that, uh, Sarah Palin was, was laughed at, uh, famously in American

00:17:38.880 politics for issuing that ultimately, if you move to this form of healthcare system, we would see

00:17:44.720 rationing and ultimately things like death panels, uh, because there is simply a resource allocation

00:17:50.560 issue that comes into play once you recognize this is the kind of system you're entering in.

00:17:55.440 And so as, as you know, often as she was mocked for, uh, pointing that out, it's very clear that

00:18:01.680 in some, at some level, this has to occur for the government to be a payer in this. As you point out,

00:18:07.680 the managers will need to efficiently allocate resources. They will drop some level of metrics.

00:18:12.960 They will make decisions on who lives, who dies, who receives superior care, who receives inferior care.

00:18:18.480 And ultimately that will drive people to, uh, certain outcomes reliably.

00:18:23.040 Well, and the reality is every system has rationing for medicine. It's just a question of,

00:18:28.560 of what the method is for rationing and the method in Canada for rationing is the decisions about what

00:18:35.680 kind of care is funded and what kind of things are covered. So, uh, you know, and, and I think

00:18:44.320 Canadians are somewhat naive, especially if they haven't interacted with the system

00:18:48.160 a lot about the extent to which private resources are relevant here. So like in, in the experience

00:18:56.400 of my extended family with the system, the, the recommendations you get from physicians,

00:19:01.120 uh, in cancer care depends in part, what kinds of pharmaceuticals you're willing to pay for,

00:19:07.360 uh, or able to pay for through a drug plan or whatever. Right. So there, there's some rationing

00:19:13.920 based on your own private capacity. There's some rationing based on the managerial metrics,

00:19:18.400 but there's definitely some rationing going on in that system.

00:19:22.240 Well, let's go ahead and take a look at some of the charts you sent me here, some of the data,

00:19:27.120 so people can get an idea of how this program has ultimately progressed. So we understand a little

00:19:34.000 more about the Canadian healthcare system. And as you can see here, uh, obviously we're seeing a

00:19:39.760 noticeable increase regularly in the amount of, uh, made patients, but why don't you talk a little

00:19:44.960 bit about, uh, the demand for made and how it is grown or changed over the few years since it's been

00:19:51.200 introduced? Yeah. So made, uh, is a program that's about six years old in Canada and in the time in

00:19:59.680 which it's been active, it has grown by three X. So, uh, the first year it was active, about five,

00:20:05.760 about 5,400 people were killed via made last year, over 16,000 people were killed via made.

00:20:12.800 So it's a, a radically expanding program. It is, I think the fourth leading cause of death in Canada

00:20:19.600 in 2024. So it is a very significant part of mortality. And I want to just clarify an issue here.

00:20:29.280 When people talk about medical euthanasia, they often confuse made with a related phenomenon.

00:20:36.960 So there's a phenomenon in, um, the care of terminal patients, uh, called the doctrine of dual effect,

00:20:43.760 where in treating a patient for chronic pain or in a degenerative condition, you administer pain

00:20:50.560 medication that has the dual effect of shortening their lifespan, right? Uh, very common in cancer care

00:20:56.880 to see this where the administration of opioids for pain ultimately results in, in the death of the

00:21:04.080 patient. That's not what palliative care is often the way it's addressed. Yeah, that's not what made

00:21:10.160 is. Uh, made is, um, a procedure to end the life of a person who though at some point in the future,

00:21:21.200 they might have a foreseeable death, uh, they're in a kind of immediately stable condition. Um,

00:21:28.400 so there's two tracks in MADE. Track one is for patients that are, that, that have a diagnosed

00:21:36.480 terminal condition. Uh, the bulk of those patients are cancer patients, but there's a wide array of

00:21:42.640 patients on this track, um, including for things like dementia and other related conditions. Um,

00:21:52.480 these are people who, uh, require care for the most part. Uh, in, in many cases, uh, you're looking at

00:22:02.160 mobility assistance, you're looking at, uh, home care situations, uh, but they're not in immediate

00:22:08.880 danger of death and they go to a, they get a referral to a specialist doctor and that doctor

00:22:14.720 administers, uh, first a paralytic and then, uh, a neuromuscular, uh, blocker, uh, that stops the

00:22:23.520 patient's breathing. So that's what you're talking about. Track two MADE, uh, deals with people who do

00:22:29.520 not have a reasonably foreseeable death. So these are, uh, usually people who have like a lifelong, um,

00:22:38.880 uh, condition, something like, um, maybe they were born with it. Um, but it is not degenerative

00:22:48.000 and there is no reasonably, they don't have a prognosis that says they have five years to live.

00:22:53.040 Uh, they could, you know, live, uh, a more or less natural life, uh, acts of MADE and, uh, conditions

00:23:02.160 which can be addressed in this way include certain mental health conditions. So here, like, uh, we,

00:23:08.400 we start to see the first instances in 2021, was track two initially part of MADE? Was it added

00:23:14.240 later as an expansion of the mission? Yeah, it was added later. And, uh, the controversy you're

00:23:20.000 seeing today about infants is about proposed expansion of track two MADE. So track two MADE is,

00:23:29.040 um, it's an element of MADE, which was kind of, it was planned from the beginning,

00:23:34.800 but it wasn't part of the initial implementation. And, uh, it has expanded radically. The first year

00:23:40.960 it was active in 2020, there were only 10 patients that were killed through track two MADE. In 2024,

00:23:47.760 there were 732 patients that were killed through track two MADE. So it, there's a radical expansion of

00:23:54.240 this element of the program. Um, and so, you know, that, that's worth noting as well.

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00:24:32.000 So, um, that's insane. Um, it's insane that we're talking about this. It's insane that it's being

00:24:39.120 considered. It's amazing that it was ever implemented in the first place. I mean, just looking at the

00:24:44.320 numbers, you know, when, when, when a government program becomes a, a significant percentage of the

00:24:50.320 mortality of your population, most people would understand that as like some form of, you know,

00:24:56.320 government sponsored execution, genocide, you know, putting people in, in, in, uh, you know,

00:25:01.680 ditches, that kind of thing. Uh, but the fact that it has moved, uh, far beyond what would have been, I

00:25:07.280 think, you know, difficult and many people would disagree, but they would at least understand the

00:25:12.080 logic behind it. The idea that terminally ill people in high amounts of pain, they're going to die

00:25:17.600 anyway. You're just ending their suffering before, uh, you know, the, the, they otherwise would have

00:25:23.760 it, uh, that, you know, many ways we can argue these are bad moral choices. These are, these are

00:25:29.440 dangerous moral choices, but you can at least get grasp the logic behind those, uh, quickly. We spin

00:25:36.160 out to, okay. Even if you don't have a terminal condition, if you just don't like the condition of

00:25:40.960 your life, if there's something about your life that becomes difficult to, to endure, uh, then that can

00:25:46.880 also be added. And finally, we reached a point where infants are on this list. Now I know that

00:25:52.560 due to abortion, uh, and the incredibly permissive levels and, and, and, you know, times in which

00:25:58.080 abortion are allowed in many areas, uh, that people might say, oh, well, there's not a huge difference,

00:26:02.560 but I think there is a huge difference for a lot of people. You know, the fact that the, the baby has

00:26:07.200 been born is been alive and out of their mother's womb for a considerable amount of time removes

00:26:12.800 pretty much all discussions over, is it a life? Is it, you know, who, who has agency,

00:26:17.520 these kinds of things and puts us squarely in a situation where, you know, we're no longer talking

00:26:23.120 about somebody who is consenting because they're in a high degree of pain or even someone who's

00:26:29.040 consenting because they're just miserable or don't want to continue on in a specific state.

00:26:33.200 We're now just having the, paying the government to murder someone's child for them because they

00:26:39.600 don't want to take care of them. I think that's the discussion that's going on here, right?

00:26:44.080 That is the discussion that's going on here. Um, it's worth reflecting on how these things kind of

00:26:51.680 interlock. So you have a government that rations supportive care, um, and the amount of supportive

00:27:00.720 care you get as a person with a disability or a person with like a chronic condition in Canada varies

00:27:07.760 in part depending on your social agency and in part depending on your ability to pay for private

00:27:15.760 supplemental care of various kinds. And so if you look at the application of MAID, one of the highest

00:27:22.400 correlates between, uh, with MAID is, uh, social marginalization, right? When you look at MAID patients,

00:27:30.720 you're looking at people who are not only chronically ill, but who are socially isolated and often

00:27:37.520 poor. Um, that's, uh, I mean, call me soft hearted or whatever that that's very troubling. Um,

00:27:50.960 and so you have this situation where the, as resources become strained in the Canadian healthcare

00:27:56.480 system, Canada's economy is not in the greatest place right at the moment. Uh, and supportive care

00:28:02.800 of various kinds is rationed. You have, um, the consequence of that rationing of supportive care,

00:28:10.000 that the consequence of that, uh, of the deepening of the kind of social marginalization of people is

00:28:18.400 that they seek MAID. Uh, if you look at the graphic here, it's a chart of, uh, the reasons given by MAID

00:28:26.480 patients for their choice. Uh, many of them are reasons that are, um, they're, they're, they're

00:28:35.760 social, they're social reasons, right? Right. Isolation and loneliness, 44% of patients in, on track

00:28:42.240 to MAID without a reasonably foreseeable death reported isolation and loneliness as an element

00:28:48.800 of the reason why they sought MAID. Um, that, that was drawing me immediately. The fact that there's,

00:28:54.720 I mean, these numbers, they're, you know, often a couple degrees of difference, uh, but the biggest

00:29:01.360 two, the, the two that you really see outperformed, uh, in, you know, by these track two patients,

00:29:07.680 these patients that do not have a terminal illness, uh, the two big ones, as you say,

00:29:13.280 are isolation and loneliness. And the other one, they out, uh, perform highly on is loss of dignity.

00:29:18.960 So we're looking at, uh, people who are either lonely, uh, without purpose, they feel isolated

00:29:25.520 from society or they feel like the, the life they're living is no longer dignified. Uh,

00:29:31.040 not one that is no longer carrying on that. They, they do not want to continue in that manner. And it is,

00:29:36.960 uh, chilling to see that this is a solution. The government is offering rather than attempting to,

00:29:44.160 you know, involve these people in communities, uh, find ways to improve their mental and spiritual

00:29:49.360 health, plug them into society, find ways to improve their quality of life. Uh, instead,

00:29:55.280 the answer is simply to end it. Uh, what, why improve society when you can simply, uh, you know,

00:30:01.180 remove those who have not been served properly by it. Yeah. I mean, MAID exists at the intersection

00:30:08.560 of a number of impulses in Canadian elite society. Uh, on the one hand, there's an impulse

00:30:14.400 to kind of, uh, uh, liberal, um, personal choice is the highest, uh, value. Um, on another level,

00:30:26.320 there's a kind of, uh, neoliberal, uh, money saving kind of aspect to it. There's, um, but there's also this,

00:30:38.000 this like deep, um, belief that the life of a person who is chronically ill, who is, um,

00:30:48.320 who's disabled from birth is not of value because they can't kind of economically contribute to the 1.00

00:30:54.240 state. Um, and that, uh, I, I just find that so offensive, um, it almost indefensible and

00:31:06.640 to have the solution offered by the state to that problem be okay. Well, we'll help you kill 0.99

00:31:15.100 yourself. Uh, the thing speaks for itself. It's, it's hard to even put into words what to say about 1.00

00:31:22.380 it. Looking at the last chart you sent me here, we can see very clearly, uh, that made steps pretty

00:31:30.420 much perfectly, uh, you know, for the, uh, it tracks pretty perfectly, uh, with, uh, income that,

00:31:37.940 that the, the poor are the ones who are receiving made, uh, most often substantially. The bottom

00:31:43.640 bracket jumps quite a bit, uh, between, uh, track one and track two, especially you can see track two,

00:31:49.820 uh, it, it almost doubles, uh, the amount of the next income bracket below it. Uh, and so,

00:31:56.620 as you say, the, the economic factor here is massive. I mean, we can understand why poor people

00:32:02.400 would feel, uh, perhaps more desperate, uh, would, would, would not be as happy with certain aspects

00:32:08.440 of the quality of life, but I don't know. I, you know, I think about this and, you know, correct me

00:32:12.920 if you're wrong. This is a general observation, not specific to the data you're showing me here.

00:32:16.620 Uh, but in general, I, you know, see that suicide is largely a problem of the middle-class

00:32:24.360 that usually, uh, those that are in the lower classes, uh, who are at least, you know, don't

00:32:31.260 have a high expectation of perhaps certain life outcomes. Generally though, they may not be happy

00:32:36.580 with them in given life outcome. Uh, they just don't kill themselves. There's the old, uh, the old,

00:32:41.720 uh, um, uh, Dave, uh, why can I suddenly, uh, Dave Chappelle skit, uh, where he's talking to some

00:32:48.400 guy from a, from a shoe store who was, he was a black man who lost everything. It's like, oh, you,

00:32:54.360 you won't kill yourself. It's like, yeah. Cause it's like a black guy who's working on a shoe 1.00

00:32:57.560 store. He doesn't care. Yeah. It was like, it's, it's a bunch, it's a bunch of white liberals who 0.98

00:33:01.340 are, you know, sad about their lives. Uh, you know, they didn't quite make it into the ruling

00:33:05.460 class. Those tend to be the people that, uh, often run into that behavior. So, uh, these are not

00:33:10.840 necessarily directly voluntary choices would be my, you know, my, my intuition would be, these are choices

00:33:16.940 driven by kind of economic necessity inside the system more than they are any given disposition to

00:33:23.780 ending one's life. I don't have any bad on that, but that just would be my, you know, my, my intuition.

00:33:29.600 The picture you get when you look at the program is that these are people who feel cornered,

00:33:34.320 right. Um, and the, the less resources they have both social and economic, the more they feel

00:33:40.440 cornered and the more they feel kind of coerced into the choice to end their life. Um, so the more you

00:33:47.600 can afford high quality supportive care, the more social connections you have, the more you can,

00:33:54.940 you know, uh, afford that extra chairlift in your house or whatever it is that helps you to be part

00:34:01.540 of the world, uh, the, the less likely you are to experience the feelings that lead you to make a

00:34:08.420 decision toward made. Um, and that's why I, I emphasize that this is really, um, a program

00:34:17.560 which, uh, subtextually target targets the most vulnerable in society. Uh, you emphasize the

00:34:25.560 economic aspect, but there's also like people are much less likely to, uh, go through made if they

00:34:31.920 have a supportive family. Uh, they're much less likely to go through made if they have a wide network

00:34:36.780 of friends or involved in a religious community. Um, so you're talking about people who are at the

00:34:43.380 periphery of society and society's choice rather than to help them to kind of integrate into society

00:34:51.220 is to dispose of them. Now, I also, and again, I, I haven't looked at the stats on this, but just my

00:34:59.200 intuition, my guess would be that this is a program that disproportionately, uh, removes, uh, what

00:35:05.820 we'd say heritage, uh, Canadians and probably not so much new arrivals. My guess is that, uh, most of

00:35:12.040 the brand new Indian and Pakistani population are probably not availing themselves of this. Do you

00:35:18.280 have any experience with that? Would that also be your impression? Have you seen any data on that?

00:35:22.240 Uh, there is some data on this. The overwhelming majority of, uh, users of the maid program are white 0.80

00:35:29.700 Canadians. Um, now that is somewhat deceptive because the overwhelming majority of elderly people 0.99

00:35:35.780 in Canada are, uh, white Canadians, uh, though, um, though it's, and the maid program is mostly used by

00:35:46.580 elderly people. It's early days yet to look at its application to younger people, but there are

00:35:54.000 certainly, one of the things that, uh, comes out when you look at the anecdotal data rather than the,

00:36:01.960 uh, uh, government data on this is that the programs in question. Um, so when you, when you get made,

00:36:10.520 you're referred out to a specialist whose primary medical function is made. And this, um,

00:36:19.400 the kind of people who become specialists in made are exactly the kind of people you would expect to

00:36:25.920 become specialists in made. And, uh, like referring a, a pregnant woman directly to an abortionist

00:36:32.780 instead of an OBGBYN. Yeah, exactly. Um, and they all, they have their own motives for why they think,

00:36:40.240 uh, they should be made doctors, uh, a very famous, the most prolific made doctor in Canada,

00:36:46.840 uh, previously had a practice specializing in abortion, um, and decided when made legislation

00:36:53.600 passed that she was going to refocus her practice on killing the elderly. Um, well, I'm going to, 1.00

00:37:00.240 uh, avoid that posting here. Um, but, um, whatever you're thinking at home, I'm thinking it maybe

00:37:06.860 something more radical. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Continue. No, I, I mean, what do you say about, about any of

00:37:13.480 this? Like nothing legally. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Uh, and the, the consequence of your point about,

00:37:22.300 um, uh, the, the, the racial issue that sits subtextually here, it's hard to say like one of

00:37:32.420 the predictors for availing yourself of made is a kind of, um, like ultra liberals are more likely to

00:37:39.020 avail themselves of made, uh, for a variety of reasons, particularly it's kind of seen in parts

00:37:45.680 of Canadian societies and expression of autonomy. Uh, it's harder to say what's going on in the

00:37:51.880 underclass at this, this point, but certainly the anecdotal data we have is not great.

00:37:57.840 So let me say something here. Um, and, uh, you know, obviously, uh, for my attitude towards this,

00:38:03.880 I think people can recognize this is in no way me advocating, uh, for this, but I do think there's

00:38:09.140 a discussion to be had, uh, that is reasonable, you know, in previous cultures, uh, you know, if you

00:38:15.560 found yourself at a certain level of failure, or if you found yourself at a certain level of pain,

00:38:22.400 uh, if you could no longer live a productive life, uh, there are many cultures, some of which we do

00:38:28.040 honor, uh, you know, the ancient Greeks or Romans perhaps in certain scenarios, uh, where one would

00:38:34.380 take one's life. And that was seen as an honorable way to meet your end, to, to take control, to take

00:38:40.680 a certain level of autonomy would be something that was justified. Uh, I have my own answer to this,

00:38:47.340 but I'll get yours first. You know, do you feel like there is in any way, uh, a reasonable point

00:38:54.100 to be made about choosing one's own end? Uh, and, and it, I understand there's many other pressures

00:39:00.200 involved, uh, in this process, which we've already named, but do you think there is some level of,

00:39:06.280 uh, uh, you know, uh, reasonable argument to that?

00:39:10.680 Yeah. I mean, if you want to take your own life because you dishonored yourself in war or something,

00:39:16.100 I'm not going to stand in your way and stop you. Um, made is not that made is society. Um,

00:39:26.360 made is a program which targets the most vulnerable and the most marginal in society 1.00

00:39:30.780 and decides that the correct thing to do with them is to cut costs and kill them. Um, 1.00

00:39:35.780 from my point of view, uh, the ethics of like what you do when your, uh, life comes together in total

00:39:47.720 failure. I mean, I'm a Christian. I have a point of view that your, your life, that you should never

00:39:53.840 end your own life that, uh, that's, you know, it, God rules over is supposed to rule over when you

00:40:01.380 live and when you die. But, uh, I can kind of understand that and I can understand socially

00:40:07.580 defending it. I cannot socially, I cannot understand defending a society that would take its most vulnerable

00:40:15.580 and rationalize is their care into a situation where they feel trapped into killing themselves.

00:40:23.640 Yeah, I would certainly agree with that. And, and my, to give people, I think a moral framework,

00:40:29.120 maybe to, to kind of flesh this out, there's a difference between, you know, you're, you're

00:40:35.400 about to be tortured to death and you decide to, to end it because you don't want to give over

00:40:40.240 information or, you know, you, you know, that the only end is, is something horrific and humiliating,

00:40:45.860 um, you know, there's, or perhaps even, you know, choosing, uh, to, to end your life because of

00:40:52.180 some kind of dishonorable failure, as opposed to a, a, a managerial mechanized, massified state

00:41:01.580 sponsored program. Uh, these are very radically different things. Uh, sadly, uh, I've, you know, I've,

00:41:08.580 you know, my first wife died of cancer very young. I'm familiar with terminal illnesses,

00:41:14.100 the processes involved, the discussions that are had, the amount of pain, the amount of medications

00:41:19.380 I've had, I've been, I've been here. I've been here in every way, shape or form. Um, and luckily

00:41:26.040 that's never a conversation I ever had to have because my wife was a Christian and believed exactly

00:41:30.780 as you say. Uh, but ultimately if that had been a choice, no one is keeping you from ending your

00:41:38.360 life. The question is, will the state be doing it for you? Is there a state actor, a bureaucracy,

00:41:46.180 a soulless, nameless, faceless entity that is processing and fulfilling these requests after

00:41:52.940 building a system that forces people down this path? They're not making suicide illegal,

00:41:58.820 right? Like obviously, uh, good luck with that. The question is, will the state be doing it for you?

00:42:05.480 And that is a radically, radically different question than do people have the right to end

00:42:10.540 their own life because they feel like that is in some way more dignified. Those are not

00:42:15.200 the same questions. Well, and it's, I began early on discussing the doctrine of double effect and end

00:42:23.120 of life care. Like we're not talking about that. We're talking about a diagnosis that says at some

00:42:28.580 point in the future, I'm going to die. Those are, that's a very different thing than my death is

00:42:34.120 foreseeable in, in two hours or maybe a day. Um, there's all kinds of, I would not, I would very,

00:42:45.640 I would very much hesitate to call a medical diagnosis that says I have a terminal illness,

00:42:50.160 the same thing as, uh, so if you were to sample 10,000 people, uh, who got a diagnosis of a terminal

00:43:01.720 illness, you'll find that the medical prognosis, uh, that they were given is not identical in a

00:43:08.600 substantial minority of cases to, to their actual outcome, right? Medical errors occur. Uh, not only

00:43:15.780 that people often live a lot, a lot longer than they expect to with a lot higher quality of life

00:43:21.040 than they expect with an illness that is terminal. Um, these are, this is just part of life. It's part

00:43:28.680 of medicine. And so, uh, you know, it, a lot is riding on this idea that you're going to, that, that

00:43:38.500 you're terminally ill and nothing is ever going to change. I, I just, there's so many levels at which

00:43:46.900 that that's a problem in my mind. No, I agree a hundred percent. I personally know several people

00:43:53.160 with terminal illnesses who were able to live well beyond their diagnosis. And as you say, with a

00:43:59.280 higher quality of life, you know, they, they were given six months, they lived two, three, five years,

00:44:05.180 you know, uh, so the idea that just because that diagnosis is received, it's going to be accurate.

00:44:10.820 Uh, it's going to be conclusive, uh, that no other treatment options will become available.

00:44:15.500 Uh, these are all, these are all, uh, fallacies. And again, once you're funneling, the key is not just

00:44:21.700 the availability. It's not like they just throw the project out there and say, okay, well, if you want

00:44:26.760 to use it, it's there for you. You're fine. It's the funneling. It's the, it's the increase. Well,

00:44:31.080 if it's there, then of course you're just being a burden. If you don't use it, are you the kind

00:44:36.480 of person who would rather be a burden to the state or a burden to your family and friends

00:44:40.040 rather than, you know, just go ahead and taking care of that issue? Are you being responsible for

00:44:45.020 this? I, I think that that is a wildly different, different dynamic. You are, you are, we've, we've

00:44:50.480 talked about nudge, you know, units before nudge culture managerial apparatuses, and you're

00:44:56.220 building a nudge culture literally towards execution for someone who, you know, won't 0.68

00:45:01.980 be a, a, a properly performing economic widget in the managerial structure.

00:45:06.640 Well, and you're sending a message that people who, um, aren't of normal capacity, they're

00:45:13.140 chronically ill or whatever the case may be are of no value. Um, you should not send that

00:45:21.560 message as a sovereign. You should send a message as a sovereign that says that you

00:45:26.680 have a duty to try to contribute in every way possible and that every person has a positive

00:45:31.500 duty, right? That that's how you cause people with reduced capacity to get the most out of

00:45:38.860 their life. Uh, you try to encourage them to integrate socially. You try to encourage

00:45:43.120 themselves, not them, not to view themselves as a burden to be disposed of, but to view themselves

00:45:48.200 as a positive contributor in some way. And maybe not everybody realizes that reality, but

00:45:54.220 without a social message that, uh, is projected from law and culture, uh, you're going to get

00:46:03.600 an adverse result almost for sure.

00:46:06.940 Now I want to ask you about the role that perhaps immigration plays in this, because I know that

00:46:12.640 Canada is a country that has received a, a large amount of, uh, immigration in the last

00:46:19.480 few years. It's become, you know, in many ways, demographically radically, uh, transformed

00:46:24.180 due to this. Uh, we've seen the announcement of, uh, you know, Canada as a post-national

00:46:29.600 project, uh, by guys like Justin Trudeau. Um, and the interesting thing about a post-national

00:46:35.140 project is the idea theoretically is that you're welcoming everyone, right? We no longer identify

00:46:40.000 ourselves as this like singular entity and the, you know, there's, there's a welcoming

00:46:45.060 of, of different cultures and peoples and ways of life. Uh, but what it seems to devolve

00:46:50.180 into rather quickly is, uh, the, you know, the old economic zone, you know, as you've mentioned

00:46:55.000 many times, uh, during this, but you know, I've obviously made this comparison many times

00:46:59.640 before. Uh, but the fact that it's, it's so, the focus is so much on the metrics, you know,

00:47:06.460 what can we squeeze out of any given individual? Are they going to be contributing? Are they

00:47:10.760 going to be a long-term drag on this? These are things that, that enter your mind first

00:47:16.460 as a manager, instead of a true leader, a true sovereign, there's a, there's a great

00:47:21.260 mentality shift between the managerial mindset and the statesman. But in addition to that,

00:47:27.800 when people stop being your people and they just stop being, and they just start being whoever

00:47:32.880 is in your zone, whoever currently occupies the space, it's not about someone being Canadian

00:47:38.780 or having value as a Canadian inherently simply because there was something owed to them for

00:47:44.540 having been a product of this culture and tradition and people. But instead Canadians are just kind

00:47:50.760 of whoever happens to be currently in the geographic borders. And then it's just a ballot evaluating

00:47:56.300 the optimal outcome for these largely unrelated, unconnected people to whom we owe very little.

00:48:02.420 I think that mentality shift makes a program like made far more acceptable in the public mind and in

00:48:09.440 the mind of the bureaucrats. Yeah. I mean, you hit on a lot of, um, deeply insightful things there.

00:48:17.520 Uh, the one I, I would draw the most attention to is the way that the philosophy of the post-national

00:48:22.640 state separates the ruling class from the people that they have a kind of duty to God to protect

00:48:29.600 and to, uh, serve. Um, Canada has a long history with the concept of noblesse oblige,

00:48:37.140 a history which has been erased in the multicultural project. Um, Canada's history. So that's certainly

00:48:47.480 one aspect to the way in which, uh, mass migration, uh, and the post-national state have played into

00:48:54.680 this program. The other is the economic damage that has occurred as a consequence of mass migration in

00:49:01.080 Canada. Mass migration was sold here as a problem to, as a, a method to address the economic problems of

00:49:10.280 the country, uh, at least in part. Um, but the actual consequence of the program has been to make

00:49:19.560 the economy worse because the overwhelming majority of particularly the Trudeau era migrants are low 1.00

00:49:28.060 skill, low wage migrants who receive a great deal of social assistance of various kinds. And so what

00:49:36.760 we've got in Canada that we were fortunate never to have before is the development of an ethnic underclass 1.00

00:49:45.320 that kind of monopolizes the service industry in, in parts of the country. And it's, um, you know,

00:49:53.400 it comes with all sorts of problems, but one of the problems it comes with is the economic deterioration

00:50:00.040 of the social welfare system. And I talked earlier about how made exists at the confluence of several

00:50:07.880 different trends within the Canadian elite, a kind of liberal self-actualization trend, a neoliberal,

00:50:15.320 uh, sort of, um, reduced cost management mindset and sort of, um, a self, a self-actualizing,

00:50:25.720 uh, I'm an individual in my, my autonomy means more than anything else kind of trend.

00:50:31.560 And I think this kind of deep underlying trend in the mind of the sort of international liberal,

00:50:38.360 the self-extinguishing trend, um, and all of the, all of those trends actually meet in the project of

00:50:45.320 mass migration in the same way they meet in the project of made.

00:50:48.200 I want to do more on this, but I think there is something deeply true about what you just said

00:50:56.040 there. The, you know, my buddy Morgoth says that the NHS, you know, but that at this point,

00:51:02.360 the UK is really just a healthcare system, uh, with, with some, with a country attached. Yeah.

00:51:08.360 Right. And it feels like more and more, uh, these massive Leviathan bureaucracies that were originally

00:51:16.840 created to serve a specific people have emerged as like, you know, like a, like a golem that,

00:51:25.400 like, like something that is just out of control of the people and is no longer bound to them in any

00:51:30.120 sense. And obviously this ties into the managers and the, the, the elites and their separation from the

00:51:35.320 people, but more importantly, almost, almost like a machine, like, or, or perhaps, uh, like a,

00:51:40.440 like an alien, uh, you know, like, like one of those, uh, aliens bursting from the chest,

00:51:45.160 you know, from, from the aliens movies where it is consumed the original host. Uh, and now it is a

00:51:51.320 creature that is ravenous searching for more. And in, in, in, in a way it is serving these people.

00:51:57.400 It needs more, more immigrants to come in to feed the machine and serve and to be served by the machine, 1.00

00:52:02.840 but it also needs to, to feast on their productivity and consume all that's left of its original host in 0.87

00:52:08.840 order to continue to existence. And so we're almost seeing this kind of, in a way, the post national

00:52:13.880 existence of these projects, these entities is one of a, of kind of a, a, a monster that has emerged,

00:52:21.320 uh, out of their original hosts. And now, you know, kind of, uh, sucks in the world, vacuums in,

00:52:27.080 uh, just kind of raw human capital, you know, an attempt to continue, uh, it's, it's, it's momentum,

00:52:33.240 it's, it's mission. And that mission itself also has to increase. So, you know, made can no longer

00:52:39.160 just be about, uh, its original process. We have to be moving into those who are not really terminally

00:52:44.360 ill and infants and it just larger and larger, always an excuse to consume more resources,

00:52:50.360 expand what is offered, uh, and ultimately drive people towards, uh, this, uh, the, this kind of

00:52:57.400 wandering, uh, monstrosity as if it is somehow essential to the operation of their lives when

00:53:02.760 really it is destroying their lives by becoming the central thing by which, uh, their entire nation

00:53:07.800 kind of dictates its value. At the options conference in the seventies in Canada, um, Northrop

00:53:16.200 Bry, who's a very famous Canadian literary scholar said that Canada, uh, was part of a global trend

00:53:23.080 toward post-nationalism and that it was one of the first countries, uh, intellectually dealing

00:53:29.640 with the consequences of it. And that if Canada were successful in addressing post-nationalism,

00:53:35.800 uh, it would be a model for, uh, the rest of the world, um, in, in context,

00:53:42.920 he was speaking of the rest of the Anglosphere. And I think that prophecy has come true in,

00:53:49.800 in, in a number of respects. Um, but it's, uh, it's come true in a way that would have horrified,

00:53:58.120 uh, the people making the original, um, that trying to, trying to create the original

00:54:05.000 intellectual structure for how Canada would exist as a post-national state. Um,

00:54:10.440 Yeah. This is not the kind of leadership they were hoping for globally.

00:54:13.480 Yeah, exactly. Um, and so, uh, there's a real sense in which we talked today about made in Canada.

00:54:23.400 Um, there's currently a, a similar debate going on in the United Kingdom, where it is likely that

00:54:29.400 they will have made, uh, legislation along the Canadian mode here shortly. Uh, it, it is true

00:54:37.160 throughout the kind of global neoliberal, uh,

00:54:40.600 network that this idea has currency. And I think it has idea, this idea has currency all across the

00:54:47.000 world because of this common set of social forces driving societies towards this end. Um,

00:54:56.600 and so, uh, you know, we talked about a particular context, but I think the broader implications

00:55:02.120 and finding a way to address these social forces is in some ways, the real challenge of our time.

00:55:11.000 Well, and a lot of people, yeah, I, I tend to stay as America focused as possible. You know,

00:55:15.720 I try not to be obsessed with the problems of other countries. I think, uh, you know, as,

00:55:20.520 as people who want to focus on bettering our own nations, uh, it is, it is helpful to,

00:55:25.080 to try to stay domestically minded as possible. But when I do shows like this, it is specifically

00:55:29.960 because of what you're talking about here, where this is something I can see spreading

00:55:34.120 across the entire Anglo sphere, right? We're, we're quickly moving into, uh, the UK. I can,

00:55:39.960 you know, obviously people talk about this in the United States as well. Uh, you know,

00:55:44.040 and this is an option in certain states, uh, at certain levels. And so, uh, this is obviously

00:55:49.800 an egregore that I think is sweeping, uh, as you say, across many different domains that are touched

00:55:54.840 by the same set of political realities or have the same, uh, have, have the same set of certain

00:56:00.120 cultural understandings and traditions that are unfortunately, uh, slowly morphing into this.

00:56:04.760 So that's why I, uh, like to, to talk about these things, even though they are not yet manifesting

00:56:10.280 totally in the United States, because I think, uh, by, by observing and understanding these

00:56:14.920 situations in, in other countries, we can often catch a glimpse of what's coming down the line

00:56:19.880 and hopefully, uh, ways to stop it. But obviously, uh, that is, that is something that you guys are

00:56:24.840 battling in Canada long-term. Now I'll ask you this before we move to the questions of the people

00:56:29.560 real quick. Uh, you know, a lot of, a lot of times the UK and American commentators will kind of

00:56:35.240 argue over who has it worse, you know, which, which one of us is really cooked, you know,

00:56:38.840 who, who has a future, who's going to make it out of this. And, uh, you know, the, the Americans will

00:56:42.920 say, no, it's, it's the Europeans that are done or it's UK that's done. Uh, they'll say vice versa. 0.63

00:56:48.360 No, the demographics in America are, it's too late. And you guys are, are already over. But when you

00:56:54.040 look at Canada, it feels like, you know, the United States, ironically, because it's ground zero of the 0.77

00:57:01.800 empire also has the most antibodies to kind of what, what is often called the liberal mind virus,

00:57:08.680 I try to avoid, but kind of works here. Uh, it, it, because it's kind of, it's, it's like a smallpox,

00:57:15.000 right? Like the Europeans have already had the waves. So when they come to the United States, 0.99

00:57:18.520 it's the, it's the native, uh, Indian population, uh, the native American population that gets wiped 1.00

00:57:24.760 out because they've never been exposed to the illness. They don't have it. You know, it feels the,

00:57:30.160 because the United States birthed some of much of this, we already have the most resistance to it.

00:57:35.640 The UK has less resistance, but still some, it feels like in Canada, there's very little,

00:57:41.940 it feels like there's almost no momentum in pushing back against this. Is there an emerging,

00:57:47.200 uh, conservative or right-wing understanding of movement? Do, do young people see where you're

00:57:54.200 going and, and, and is there any level of organization to defend off this kind of thing or,

00:57:58.800 or is Canada largely locked into this thought pattern moving forward?

00:58:02.840 Um, so it's important to note that sovereignty is held very tightly in Canada by a very small

00:58:10.480 number of people. So, um, Justin Trudeau was prime minister of Canada for over a decade for, uh,

00:58:18.340 uh, a large part of that, uh, time. He was in a position of very near absolute sovereignty. He was in

00:58:26.600 that position having received between 30 and 40% of the vote. So you're not talking about people,

00:58:36.280 you're actually talking about a very narrow ruling elite with a very particular client base that votes

00:58:43.000 for it over and over and over again. Um, which I think is easy to miss when you're looking at it

00:58:50.240 internationally. Um, because of the Canadian political structure, they're able to wield almost

00:58:56.160 total authority over our, our government as a consequence of that. That's a double-edged sword.

00:59:02.400 It means that Canadian politics can shift very, very rapidly, um, as a consequence of a choice to,

00:59:10.960 to go in another direction. So that's, that's kind of one aspect to it. The other aspect to it

00:59:16.680 is that, uh, the Canadian, um, state monopoly on the propaganda apparatus is, uh, it's not quite

00:59:25.720 North Korea, but it's, it's getting there. Uh, we have aggressive censorship laws. We have

00:59:33.880 state funded media, uh, we have state run media and we have state funded media and we have no other

00:59:39.080 media and we have censored social media. So, uh, for example, uh, Facebook was forced to shut down its

00:59:45.800 politics, uh, services in Canada because they carried non-state sanctioned media in it.

00:59:53.400 How long ago was that? Uh, maybe four or five years ago.

00:59:58.840 Yeah. I think that that would got a lot more, uh, a lot more attention.

01:00:02.920 Yeah. So, um, and right now we're in discussion over whether or not we're going to ban Twitter acts.

01:00:08.840 Uh, so a lot of the, um, apparent consensus that you see in Canada is manufactured because of this,

01:00:16.920 uh, very kind of top down approach to, um, the manufacturing of opinion. Uh, so I, I actually

01:00:25.960 think Canadian politics, if it flips could flip very rapidly and you could see a huge preference cascade.

01:00:31.400 Um, there are subpopulations in Canada, which are highly resistant to this, um, way of life and

01:00:40.040 willing to make enormous sacrifices in order to avoid it. Uh, Canada has some of the most well-developed,

01:00:46.520 uh, Christian school, Christian university systems, uh, anywhere outside the United States. Again, 0.95

01:00:53.640 all done with, uh, no support out of the varying state apparatuses. And, you know, in Trinity Western

01:01:02.040 university fought, uh, a six year legal battle with the Ontario law society over the existence of

01:01:07.720 its loss over its attempt to build a law school, uh, because it had Christian sexual ethics as part

01:01:14.200 of its code of conduct. So there are subpopulations in Canada that very aggressively kind of have a will

01:01:22.840 to a life after this state. That being said, I don't think Canada, as you might've understood it

01:01:31.320 in 1970 is ever coming back. What will happen after the kind of totalitarian liberalism of the

01:01:39.400 2000s through today, through however long this lasts will not look like what was before. It will look

01:01:45.960 like something new and it will look like something new in part because of the change in geopolitical

01:01:51.640 dynamic in part because of, because it seems unlikely that mass migration will be completely

01:01:58.280 reversed. Uh, and in part because the system that existed circa 1970 in Canada was unable to defend

01:02:06.040 itself from this. So if things change, it is more likely to be in a, all of a sudden for no reason at

01:02:12.920 all, uh, manner. Yeah. So for example, Canada had negative net migration in 2025, right?

01:02:21.160 Uh, it went from a situation where more than a million people came in 2024 to Canada, um,

01:02:30.280 mostly temporary foreign workers, but nevertheless, a huge number of people, uh, to scale that up to

01:02:36.200 American terms, that would be like having 12 or 13 million people enter the United States in a single

01:02:42.200 year. And then the next year you have a net, uh, you have net negative migration. So these things can

01:02:47.800 shift very, very rapidly. Um, and they shift as a consequence that they shift in a very top down way.

01:02:55.560 Uh, and without a lot of, um,

01:02:59.480 a lot of play in the media, let's put it that way.

01:03:03.240 Well, I won't say that it was an enjoyable discussion, but I will say it was an informative

01:03:07.400 one. Uh, and I appreciate you coming on. I know these are not, uh, you know, bright and shiny issues.

01:03:14.120 There's nothing, uh, uplifting about them, but I do think they're incredibly important.

01:03:18.200 And I know a lot of people wanted to understand better, uh, how that program is running and

01:03:23.160 developing. If for no other reason, then, uh, we are not necessarily, uh, completely out of sight

01:03:28.200 of something similar finding its way to our shores as well. So I appreciate you coming on to talk about

01:03:33.880 it. Is there anything that you want people to follow any work out there that you want people to find

01:03:38.920 any place you want to point in before we go to the questions of the people? Yeah, I run a, a show on

01:03:44.600 YouTube and on subs and a piece on, on sub stack called the red ensign, uh, which looks at, uh,

01:03:50.680 Canadian politics in a very kind of hard headed lens, uh, from the perspective of the legacy Canadian

01:03:56.920 population. Um, and you know, it's mostly hard analytical work rather than advocacy work, but you

01:04:03.000 can find my work there. Excellent. All right, guys, let's go to the questions of the people here real quick.

01:04:08.120 We've got, uh, Simon Robert, uh, Roban says, uh, can we have a round table on why, uh, us medical is, uh,

01:04:17.560 maybe sad face? Um, yeah, I mean, eventually we can definitely talk about the American healthcare system.

01:04:23.160 There's, uh, so much there. It's hard to even know where to start. Uh, but obviously, uh, a huge amount of this

01:04:29.880 comes from, uh, basically the fact that, uh, the, the, the way that insurance companies have been woven into, uh,

01:04:36.680 the United States medical system and the disaster that that is, but that, that is most certainly

01:04:41.240 it's a own entire, uh, uh, episode. Perhaps we should do that soon.

01:04:47.160 Bren's Winkle says fed post, fed post, fed post. No, sir. No, sir. We, we have nothing but emotional

01:04:52.260 continents here. Okay. We are, we, we, we chimp when we need to, but always up to the line, not over the

01:04:58.360 line. Um, you know, so, uh, we, we will maintain, uh, discipline and Florida Henry says, I can't

01:05:05.640 imagine boomers using made well, as, uh, as, uh, black horse said here, they are, uh, in fact, 0.89

01:05:11.980 the vast majority of people, which you think would make sense. People who the, the people who are more

01:05:16.680 likely to be facing terminal illnesses, how to a life beforehand. Uh, though, sadly the growing

01:05:23.420 category say it may not always be them that dominate that, but right now that they are the

01:05:27.880 dominant population utilizing it. Well, also they kind of believe that the meaning of their life is

01:05:33.640 wrapped up in self actual actualization. Um, the liberal view of life doesn't have a place

01:05:40.240 for people who are dying. Um, whereas, you know, I would say that people who are dying have something

01:05:47.700 profound to teach us. Um, you, you should spend time with your dying relatives. It, call it a radical

01:05:56.220 position, but that's my view. Nope. Amen to that. And one that is, is far too, you know, in a, yeah,

01:06:02.400 that again, much longer conversation. We can't get into it here. Uh, but so much, especially of just

01:06:07.900 kind of modern culture is avoiding death at every turn. We avoid the sick and the dying. Uh, we,

01:06:13.240 we shuffle them off. Uh, we, we put old people in nursing homes. We put, you know, terminally ill 0.90

01:06:18.240 people in hospices. Uh, we, we do everything we can to not have to interact, uh, with death on a

01:06:25.260 regular basis. We especially shelter children from it. And yet, uh, death is a, you know, is an

01:06:34.280 unavoidable part of life and, and understanding that is an, is an essential psychological characteristic

01:06:39.820 of maturity. It is in fact, literally what Heidegger said made us human. It, it, what is

01:06:46.580 Dasein is, is a being that realizes its own end, that its own death is, is imminent and, uh, then

01:06:54.520 chooses an ax in, in that. Uh, so we're literally stripping away the very understanding of, of human

01:07:02.280 existence, uh, when we remove the, uh, understanding of death as an inevitability and a visible one.

01:07:08.540 Uh, so yeah, lots to say there, but again, uh, can't get all of it today, but once again,

01:07:14.640 thank you black horse for coming on. It's been fantastic to talk to you again. And of course,

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - February 11, 2026

Will Canada Start Euthanizing Babies？｜ Guest： Black Horse ｜ 2⧸11⧸26

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - February 11, 2026

Will Canada Start Euthanizing Babies？ ｜ Guest： Black Horse ｜ 2⧸11⧸26

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Will Canada Start Euthanizing Babies？｜ Guest： Black Horse ｜ 2⧸11⧸26