Will Canada Start Euthanizing Babies？ ｜ Guest： Black Horse ｜ 2⧸11⧸26
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It's another day and another dystopian story coming out of Canada, and this time, we're talking about the possibility that Canada might be expanding its euthanasia program to people like infants. We also hear about a mass shooting that took place in a Canadian school today, and the reaction from Canadian media and politicians.
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subscription. Well, it is another day and another dystopian story coming out of Canada. Sadly,
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our neighbor to the north has continued to experience quite a bit of, well, gay race communism
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tragedy across many different levels. The main story we're talking about today is the possibility
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that Canada will be extending its euthanasia program to people like infants. We're not talking
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about abortions here. We're talking about actually executing babies well after they have been bored
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in the idea that somehow this is a relief to them. This is somehow humane. But we also need to talk a
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little bit about a active shooting situation that occurred in Canada today. Tragically, some of the
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top news coming out of Canada is that a number of children are dead after a mass school shooting put
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on by another trans shooter. Joining me today to talk about this is Canadian commentator Blackhorse.
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Blackhorse, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you very much for having me. No problem. One day,
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I'm going to have you on and we'll talk about like how great things are and Canada is just doing
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fantastic. And man, can you believe there's another amazing day in Canada? Sadly, I think I've only
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really chew on mainly to talk about Canada when something horrific has happened. But let's dive into,
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I guess, the big news and then we'll go to our actual topic for the show today. So coming out
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of Canada today, there was a mass shooting. There are 25 people wounded as far as we know, 10 dead.
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It looks like there is an active shooter in a school for quite a while. We know that Canada already has
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relatively restrictive gun laws and that they've been continued to pushing for more of these gun laws.
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Obviously, these did not prevent the initial shooting. I don't know how, you know, we don't
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know much about whether how this gun was obtained, these kind of things. But obviously, there's an
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emphasis on gun violence or the worry that this will somehow be predominant in Canada. And those
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laws haven't seemed to do much. The one thing that we do consistently see, however, is that actual
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shootings seem to come very predominantly now in the United States and in many other countries
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from trans shooters, from students who believe themselves to be, you know, stuck in the wrong
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body, these kind of things, creating this kind of terrorism. Can you go a little bit into the
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shooting, its details and what you think the initial reaction is going to be from Canadian
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Yeah, so the shooter here is a male to female transsexual, I guess is the correct term. It is in a very
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isolated community in northeastern British Columbia, which is in the on the eastern side of the Rocky
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Mountains, kind of community where firearms are ubiquitous. You know, it's the center of wolf country,
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the center of grizzly bear country, that kind of thing. So it's not a surprise that the trans person
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was able to obtain a firearm. The firearm which was used, we have an image of the likely firearm,
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which looks like some kind of hunting rifle. So it's not exactly the kind of thing you can
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ban in that that kind of territory, or at least it would be a really aggressive imposition to do so.
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Canada is already in the midst of an attempt to buy back a large number of firearms. So it's a very
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active political issue right at the moment. The shooter apparently has like a long history
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of internet radicalism and in real life bad behavior.
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that was ongoing. And there is a publication ban in Canada on the details. So for example, if you go to
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any Canadian media outlet, you will not discover that this person was trans. You will not see an
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image of the shooter, you will not see see his name. The predicate for this is that the shooter is a minor,
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a minor who was nevertheless well along in the process. I think he had been transitioning for
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three years. Has the shooter survived the encounter? How was it? Do you know how if you
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killed himself? I'm sorry, he killed himself. He did kill himself. Okay. And it appears he not only shot
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kids in the school, but also two people in a nearby residence, unconfirmed, but it seems likely that it was
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his home. So there is no reason to protect him at this point, even if there was some presumption
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and in a sense, some need to have a trial, that kind of thing there. It's not like the Canadian
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media is being blacked out because this guy needs to have the option of a fair trial. Some at some
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point down the line, I think it's pretty easy to surmise that ultimately, you know, the reason that
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this is being suppressed is due to the nature of the shooting or the possible motivations involved.
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No, I mean, trans is an untouchable issue in Canada. The child of the current Prime Minister
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of Canada is a trans person. And so it is unsurprising that you have a very aggressive
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blackout strategy here. And, you know, that's kind of as far as I can speak about that, I suppose.
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So in the United States, obviously, we've seen several tragic shootings that have been carried
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out by trans individuals. I know that, you know, given your situation, you know, they're, you know,
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sadly, free speech is not as real in many other countries as here. So feel free to, you know, navigate
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that how you need to. But ultimately, it's very clear, as you say, that the rifle itself here is not,
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it's nothing like the stereotypical, oh, man, we have to ban the scary black rifle situation.
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As you said, this is a deer hunting rifle, you basically have to ban all guns, uh, for all reasons
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in order to catch a gun like this, uh, at all. Uh, there's no extended magazines, there's no high rate
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of fire. Uh, there, there's no, you know, there's, there's nothing outside a crazy person. There's just
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a crazy person and a crazy person. Like it's an amazing thing to look at the footage that comes
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out of it. The school is plastered in LGBT affirming, uh, messaging. It's got like a, a pride progress
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flag outside. Everything that people on the, the sort of international left would say you need to
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do in order to protect the mental health of a person like this was done and then some, and yet
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here we are. Yeah. So even if you spread the, the lamb's blood across the door, uh, that doesn't really
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solve the problem. As you're pointing out, this is not somebody who was going to a school where they
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were likely receiving a lot of hate, a lot of, uh, you know, repression for their identity. In fact,
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you know, in my experience, an American public school teaching, uh, any school, any child that
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declares themselves trans, even in the state of Florida, which is supposed to be one of those
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red base states, uh, they basically get a magic bubble. There's, you know, they can't be insulted.
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They can't be bullied. They can't, you know, receive any real discipline. Uh, it's a magical shield
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that protects them from almost any kind of consequence for their actions. And despite all of these
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these accommodations that have been set out in the culture, despite the entire school being,
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you know, like you said, wrapping itself around this ideology, uh, still the trans individual
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decide that murdering, uh, many of their schoolmates is the key to actualizing what, whatever it is that
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they are trying to deal with inside themselves, the rage, the hatred, uh, you know, the, the insanity,
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uh, these are, these are all things that, uh, they, they simply cannot work out even with all of the
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psychological support, all of the propaganda, all of the rules on their side. Uh, we still continue
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to see this. Now, interestingly, it would appear, uh, that this individual also interacted with Matt
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Walsh, uh, several years ago. Uh, there was a post about how anime had, uh, created some kind of
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unrealistic gender, uh, dysphoria inside the student. They, they saw themselves not only as not being
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female enough, but also not being able to ever attain, uh, kind of the proportions of an anime
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female. So even if they did go through all of the surgeries and all of the, the hormone therapy and
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everything else, uh, they would never achieve the look that they were looking for. And this was being
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lamented. Uh, you can imagine when someone is looking at a cartoon of what is often a prepubescent
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woman as a man and attempting to somehow physically replicate that, seeing as that, that is some kind
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of, uh, objective they want to reach, uh, for their, you know, aesthetic sensibilities, uh, that,
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you know, obviously that's wildly unrealistic and deeply unhealthy, uh, that that's going to drive
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them, uh, to something dangerous, but it is kind of amazing that just a few years ago, uh, they were
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talking about this. Walsh's is identifying this as a possible trigger for long-term mental health
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and possible violence. And here we are, uh, seeing very tragically that prediction play out in real
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life in the worst possible way. Yeah. I mean, you talked about the bubble of affirmation,
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which very likely surrounded this student. I would say that, um, it may well, that it's,
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it's not, it's not necessarily correct to say, in spite of the bubble of affirmation,
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it's perhaps appropriate to say, because of the bubble of affirmation. I mean, we can't know,
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we can't get inside this person's head, but certainly if you think about parenting and, uh,
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social discipline of a normal teenager, uh, affirming everything that they do or say
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would not be a, it's not a psychologically healthy way to treat anybody, much less a person who is
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very obviously struggling with a mental health issue of some kind.
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Right. Yeah. Obviously you, as an adult, uh, you know, parent, uh, it's, it's important to instruct
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a child in the way they should go, give them, uh, boundaries, uh, give them supports to reality,
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indulging them in any kind of delusion or destructive behavior is obviously, uh, very dangerous.
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But when we're looking at something that is completely reality warping, completely destructive
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to their core identity and their ability to process the world, uh, leaning in, as you point out,
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is probably far more dangerous than pushing back. Uh, and so ultimately, uh, it, it is, uh,
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perhaps the, the fact that they had such a permissive and affirming environment, uh, that
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drives them to this. And this really ultimately, I think tells us that this is not a situation that
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gets solved by anything, but the complete removal of this ideology, this understanding now in the U S
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we have seen a little bit of a turn against this. I would say it's still prevalent in many
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blue states. Uh, but the red states seem to have caught up a little bit with the ideology.
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They're starting to pass bans on this kind of thing. Uh, the, the federal government is, is,
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you know, banning, uh, the funding of these operations, the state governments in many cases
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are trying to ban them outright, reduce funding, uh, stigmatize them in some way, remove, uh, you know,
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the, the type of affirming, uh, uh, culture that we see, uh, in those environments. Uh, but in a place
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like Canada, it sounds like there has been no, uh, uh, kind of, uh, reassessing of this scenario
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that not only are they continuing, uh, to support this, they seem to be actively leaning further and
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further into, uh, what has been a, in many ways discredited ideology. I mean, even places like the UK
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are starting to turn against, uh, trans surgery, especially for children. Uh, but we're still seeing
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Canada continue along this course or even accelerate. Yeah. We're still in full repressive tolerance mode
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here against, uh, any attempt to revise course on this. Um, it's, it, Canada has, um, backtracked in it
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on many of its other highly progressive projects in the last couple of years, but, uh, in this
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particular area, it is full steam ahead. Uh, and, uh, based on the media response here, based on the
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government response here, uh, that's not likely to change as a result of this event.
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Well, obviously this is going to transition into our larger topic, uh, which is healthcare in Canada,
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specifically the way that it applies the MAID program. So we're getting a little bit of the
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window into the kind of the medical understanding and the way it interacts with politics through the
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trans issue. But before we dive into, I guess, specifically the subject of state sponsored
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euthanasia and the way it's quickly gone off the rails in Canada, I wanted to just zoom out a little
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bit and get a general understanding of where the Canadian healthcare system is at. Because of course,
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there are many people in the United States. We hear this all the time. Oh, well, you know,
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Canada's got socialized medicine. They've got this, you know, single payer healthcare. You can go and get
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healthcare there for free. We should have a system like that. Uh, there are many, many,
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many huge problems with the American healthcare system. I'm not vindicating a single one of them,
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to be clear. Uh, however, uh, it is interesting. Uh, I wonder, uh, what is the rate for healthcare in
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a place like Canada? Because I think it, it is important to recognize that part of the, the MAID
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program, one of its draws, uh, ultimately could be, and I don't know, I don't, I doubt that they
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would say this out loud, but maybe they have, and you can tell me if they had, that it ultimately
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will reduce an aging population. It will reduce a ill population. It gives you a easier and cheaper
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way to dispose of people who would need long-term care, uh, and on a system that may already be
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straining due to, uh, the generosity of its benefits and the overload of, uh, kind of, uh,
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especially immigrants that have come in, in the last few years. Uh, this could be a motivating
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factor for continuing to push and expand, uh, the, the auspices of the MAID program.
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Yeah. There's a lot you, you said there, and I want to kind of take it apart piece by piece. Uh,
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Americans often describe the Canadian single payer healthcare system as like a complete socialized
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system. That's not entirely true. It's a mixed system. So, uh, primary care, hospital care,
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is single payer state sponsored, but a lot of the other elements of healthcare,
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a lot of prescriptions, a lot of, uh, long-term care, a lot of, um, sort of at the edge of healthcare
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activities, like, um, like elder care, uh, are private pay, uh, insurance, that kind of stuff.
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So when you're dealing with an issue like MAID, where you're dealing with people that are, um,
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chronically ill or elderly or both, uh, you're, you're dealing with people who are receiving
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a mixture of privately paid care and, uh, publicly funded care. Um, so that, that's kind of the first
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piece. The Canadian healthcare system is certainly straining. Uh, and it, the, the government has a
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strategy of allocating funding, um, in order to maximize certain kind of managerial metrics.
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Uh, so certain parts of the system are really, really well funded. So for example, Canada has
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absolutely world-class prenatal care. So if you, if you go to a hospital before and during childbirth,
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you will get absolutely world-class care in Canada. If you go to the hospital because you
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have cancer and you're 70, you will not get care, which is as high quality as you will get in private
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systems because the funding apparatus, uh, selects the care that they provide in part based on what
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kind of care is going to maximize its metrics. Um, so if you, you understand why you would triage,
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uh, you know, for infants, prenatal care, you know, younger people, uh, that, that, that has a certain
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level of, uh, logic to it. Um, that does, however, of course, I think in the minds of many Americans
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kind of echo, uh, the warning that, uh, Sarah Palin was, was laughed at, uh, famously in American
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politics for issuing that ultimately, if you move to this form of healthcare system, we would see
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rationing and ultimately things like death panels, uh, because there is simply a resource allocation
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issue that comes into play once you recognize this is the kind of system you're entering in.
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And so as, as you know, often as she was mocked for, uh, pointing that out, it's very clear that
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in some, at some level, this has to occur for the government to be a payer in this. As you point out,
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the managers will need to efficiently allocate resources. They will drop some level of metrics.
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They will make decisions on who lives, who dies, who receives superior care, who receives inferior care.
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And ultimately that will drive people to, uh, certain outcomes reliably.
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Well, and the reality is every system has rationing for medicine. It's just a question of,
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of what the method is for rationing and the method in Canada for rationing is the decisions about what
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kind of care is funded and what kind of things are covered. So, uh, you know, and, and I think
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Canadians are somewhat naive, especially if they haven't interacted with the system
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a lot about the extent to which private resources are relevant here. So like in, in the experience
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of my extended family with the system, the, the recommendations you get from physicians,
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uh, in cancer care depends in part, what kinds of pharmaceuticals you're willing to pay for,
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uh, or able to pay for through a drug plan or whatever. Right. So there, there's some rationing
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based on your own private capacity. There's some rationing based on the managerial metrics,
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but there's definitely some rationing going on in that system.
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Well, let's go ahead and take a look at some of the charts you sent me here, some of the data,
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so people can get an idea of how this program has ultimately progressed. So we understand a little
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more about the Canadian healthcare system. And as you can see here, uh, obviously we're seeing a
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noticeable increase regularly in the amount of, uh, made patients, but why don't you talk a little
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bit about, uh, the demand for made and how it is grown or changed over the few years since it's been
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introduced? Yeah. So made, uh, is a program that's about six years old in Canada and in the time in
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which it's been active, it has grown by three X. So, uh, the first year it was active, about five,
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about 5,400 people were killed via made last year, over 16,000 people were killed via made.
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So it's a, a radically expanding program. It is, I think the fourth leading cause of death in Canada
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in 2024. So it is a very significant part of mortality. And I want to just clarify an issue here.
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When people talk about medical euthanasia, they often confuse made with a related phenomenon.
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So there's a phenomenon in, um, the care of terminal patients, uh, called the doctrine of dual effect,
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where in treating a patient for chronic pain or in a degenerative condition, you administer pain
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medication that has the dual effect of shortening their lifespan, right? Uh, very common in cancer care
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to see this where the administration of opioids for pain ultimately results in, in the death of the
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patient. That's not what palliative care is often the way it's addressed. Yeah, that's not what made
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is. Uh, made is, um, a procedure to end the life of a person who though at some point in the future,
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they might have a foreseeable death, uh, they're in a kind of immediately stable condition. Um,
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so there's two tracks in MADE. Track one is for patients that are, that, that have a diagnosed
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terminal condition. Uh, the bulk of those patients are cancer patients, but there's a wide array of
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patients on this track, um, including for things like dementia and other related conditions. Um,
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these are people who, uh, require care for the most part. Uh, in, in many cases, uh, you're looking at
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mobility assistance, you're looking at, uh, home care situations, uh, but they're not in immediate
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danger of death and they go to a, they get a referral to a specialist doctor and that doctor
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administers, uh, first a paralytic and then, uh, a neuromuscular, uh, blocker, uh, that stops the
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patient's breathing. So that's what you're talking about. Track two MADE, uh, deals with people who do
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not have a reasonably foreseeable death. So these are, uh, usually people who have like a lifelong, um,
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uh, condition, something like, um, maybe they were born with it. Um, but it is not degenerative
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and there is no reasonably, they don't have a prognosis that says they have five years to live.
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Uh, they could, you know, live, uh, a more or less natural life, uh, acts of MADE and, uh, conditions
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which can be addressed in this way include certain mental health conditions. So here, like, uh, we,
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we start to see the first instances in 2021, was track two initially part of MADE? Was it added
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later as an expansion of the mission? Yeah, it was added later. And, uh, the controversy you're
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seeing today about infants is about proposed expansion of track two MADE. So track two MADE is,
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um, it's an element of MADE, which was kind of, it was planned from the beginning,
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but it wasn't part of the initial implementation. And, uh, it has expanded radically. The first year
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it was active in 2020, there were only 10 patients that were killed through track two MADE. In 2024,
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there were 732 patients that were killed through track two MADE. So it, there's a radical expansion of
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this element of the program. Um, and so, you know, that, that's worth noting as well.
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So, um, that's insane. Um, it's insane that we're talking about this. It's insane that it's being
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considered. It's amazing that it was ever implemented in the first place. I mean, just looking at the
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numbers, you know, when, when, when a government program becomes a, a significant percentage of the
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mortality of your population, most people would understand that as like some form of, you know,
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government sponsored execution, genocide, you know, putting people in, in, in, uh, you know,
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ditches, that kind of thing. Uh, but the fact that it has moved, uh, far beyond what would have been, I
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think, you know, difficult and many people would disagree, but they would at least understand the
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logic behind it. The idea that terminally ill people in high amounts of pain, they're going to die
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anyway. You're just ending their suffering before, uh, you know, the, the, they otherwise would have
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it, uh, that, you know, many ways we can argue these are bad moral choices. These are, these are
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dangerous moral choices, but you can at least get grasp the logic behind those, uh, quickly. We spin
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out to, okay. Even if you don't have a terminal condition, if you just don't like the condition of
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your life, if there's something about your life that becomes difficult to, to endure, uh, then that can
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also be added. And finally, we reached a point where infants are on this list. Now I know that
00:25:52.560
due to abortion, uh, and the incredibly permissive levels and, and, and, you know, times in which
00:25:58.080
abortion are allowed in many areas, uh, that people might say, oh, well, there's not a huge difference,
00:26:02.560
but I think there is a huge difference for a lot of people. You know, the fact that the, the baby has
00:26:07.200
been born is been alive and out of their mother's womb for a considerable amount of time removes
00:26:12.800
pretty much all discussions over, is it a life? Is it, you know, who, who has agency,
00:26:17.520
these kinds of things and puts us squarely in a situation where, you know, we're no longer talking
00:26:23.120
about somebody who is consenting because they're in a high degree of pain or even someone who's
00:26:29.040
consenting because they're just miserable or don't want to continue on in a specific state.
00:26:33.200
We're now just having the, paying the government to murder someone's child for them because they
00:26:39.600
don't want to take care of them. I think that's the discussion that's going on here, right?
00:26:44.080
That is the discussion that's going on here. Um, it's worth reflecting on how these things kind of
00:26:51.680
interlock. So you have a government that rations supportive care, um, and the amount of supportive
00:27:00.720
care you get as a person with a disability or a person with like a chronic condition in Canada varies
00:27:07.760
in part depending on your social agency and in part depending on your ability to pay for private
00:27:15.760
supplemental care of various kinds. And so if you look at the application of MAID, one of the highest
00:27:22.400
correlates between, uh, with MAID is, uh, social marginalization, right? When you look at MAID patients,
00:27:30.720
you're looking at people who are not only chronically ill, but who are socially isolated and often
00:27:37.520
poor. Um, that's, uh, I mean, call me soft hearted or whatever that that's very troubling. Um,
00:27:50.960
and so you have this situation where the, as resources become strained in the Canadian healthcare
00:27:56.480
system, Canada's economy is not in the greatest place right at the moment. Uh, and supportive care
00:28:02.800
of various kinds is rationed. You have, um, the consequence of that rationing of supportive care,
00:28:10.000
that the consequence of that, uh, of the deepening of the kind of social marginalization of people is
00:28:18.400
that they seek MAID. Uh, if you look at the graphic here, it's a chart of, uh, the reasons given by MAID
00:28:26.480
patients for their choice. Uh, many of them are reasons that are, um, they're, they're, they're
00:28:35.760
social, they're social reasons, right? Right. Isolation and loneliness, 44% of patients in, on track
00:28:42.240
to MAID without a reasonably foreseeable death reported isolation and loneliness as an element
00:28:48.800
of the reason why they sought MAID. Um, that, that was drawing me immediately. The fact that there's,
00:28:54.720
I mean, these numbers, they're, you know, often a couple degrees of difference, uh, but the biggest
00:29:01.360
two, the, the two that you really see outperformed, uh, in, you know, by these track two patients,
00:29:07.680
these patients that do not have a terminal illness, uh, the two big ones, as you say,
00:29:13.280
are isolation and loneliness. And the other one, they out, uh, perform highly on is loss of dignity.
00:29:18.960
So we're looking at, uh, people who are either lonely, uh, without purpose, they feel isolated
00:29:25.520
from society or they feel like the, the life they're living is no longer dignified. Uh,
00:29:31.040
not one that is no longer carrying on that. They, they do not want to continue in that manner. And it is,
00:29:36.960
uh, chilling to see that this is a solution. The government is offering rather than attempting to,
00:29:44.160
you know, involve these people in communities, uh, find ways to improve their mental and spiritual
00:29:49.360
health, plug them into society, find ways to improve their quality of life. Uh, instead,
00:29:55.280
the answer is simply to end it. Uh, what, why improve society when you can simply, uh, you know,
00:30:01.180
remove those who have not been served properly by it. Yeah. I mean, MAID exists at the intersection
00:30:08.560
of a number of impulses in Canadian elite society. Uh, on the one hand, there's an impulse
00:30:14.400
to kind of, uh, uh, liberal, um, personal choice is the highest, uh, value. Um, on another level,
00:30:26.320
there's a kind of, uh, neoliberal, uh, money saving kind of aspect to it. There's, um, but there's also this,
00:30:38.000
this like deep, um, belief that the life of a person who is chronically ill, who is, um,
00:30:48.320
who's disabled from birth is not of value because they can't kind of economically contribute to the
00:30:54.240
state. Um, and that, uh, I, I just find that so offensive, um, it almost indefensible and
00:31:06.640
to have the solution offered by the state to that problem be okay. Well, we'll help you kill
00:31:15.100
yourself. Uh, the thing speaks for itself. It's, it's hard to even put into words what to say about
00:31:22.380
it. Looking at the last chart you sent me here, we can see very clearly, uh, that made steps pretty
00:31:30.420
much perfectly, uh, you know, for the, uh, it tracks pretty perfectly, uh, with, uh, income that,
00:31:37.940
that the, the poor are the ones who are receiving made, uh, most often substantially. The bottom
00:31:43.640
bracket jumps quite a bit, uh, between, uh, track one and track two, especially you can see track two,
00:31:49.820
uh, it, it almost doubles, uh, the amount of the next income bracket below it. Uh, and so,
00:31:56.620
as you say, the, the economic factor here is massive. I mean, we can understand why poor people
00:32:02.400
would feel, uh, perhaps more desperate, uh, would, would, would not be as happy with certain aspects
00:32:08.440
of the quality of life, but I don't know. I, you know, I think about this and, you know, correct me
00:32:12.920
if you're wrong. This is a general observation, not specific to the data you're showing me here.
00:32:16.620
Uh, but in general, I, you know, see that suicide is largely a problem of the middle-class
00:32:24.360
that usually, uh, those that are in the lower classes, uh, who are at least, you know, don't
00:32:31.260
have a high expectation of perhaps certain life outcomes. Generally though, they may not be happy
00:32:36.580
with them in given life outcome. Uh, they just don't kill themselves. There's the old, uh, the old,
00:32:41.720
uh, um, uh, Dave, uh, why can I suddenly, uh, Dave Chappelle skit, uh, where he's talking to some
00:32:48.400
guy from a, from a shoe store who was, he was a black man who lost everything. It's like, oh, you,
00:32:54.360
you won't kill yourself. It's like, yeah. Cause it's like a black guy who's working on a shoe
00:32:57.560
store. He doesn't care. Yeah. It was like, it's, it's a bunch, it's a bunch of white liberals who
00:33:01.340
are, you know, sad about their lives. Uh, you know, they didn't quite make it into the ruling
00:33:05.460
class. Those tend to be the people that, uh, often run into that behavior. So, uh, these are not
00:33:10.840
necessarily directly voluntary choices would be my, you know, my, my intuition would be, these are choices
00:33:16.940
driven by kind of economic necessity inside the system more than they are any given disposition to
00:33:23.780
ending one's life. I don't have any bad on that, but that just would be my, you know, my, my intuition.
00:33:29.600
The picture you get when you look at the program is that these are people who feel cornered,
00:33:34.320
right. Um, and the, the less resources they have both social and economic, the more they feel
00:33:40.440
cornered and the more they feel kind of coerced into the choice to end their life. Um, so the more you
00:33:47.600
can afford high quality supportive care, the more social connections you have, the more you can,
00:33:54.940
you know, uh, afford that extra chairlift in your house or whatever it is that helps you to be part
00:34:01.540
of the world, uh, the, the less likely you are to experience the feelings that lead you to make a
00:34:08.420
decision toward made. Um, and that's why I, I emphasize that this is really, um, a program
00:34:17.560
which, uh, subtextually target targets the most vulnerable in society. Uh, you emphasize the
00:34:25.560
economic aspect, but there's also like people are much less likely to, uh, go through made if they
00:34:31.920
have a supportive family. Uh, they're much less likely to go through made if they have a wide network
00:34:36.780
of friends or involved in a religious community. Um, so you're talking about people who are at the
00:34:43.380
periphery of society and society's choice rather than to help them to kind of integrate into society
00:34:51.220
is to dispose of them. Now, I also, and again, I, I haven't looked at the stats on this, but just my
00:34:59.200
intuition, my guess would be that this is a program that disproportionately, uh, removes, uh, what
00:35:05.820
we'd say heritage, uh, Canadians and probably not so much new arrivals. My guess is that, uh, most of
00:35:12.040
the brand new Indian and Pakistani population are probably not availing themselves of this. Do you
00:35:18.280
have any experience with that? Would that also be your impression? Have you seen any data on that?
00:35:22.240
Uh, there is some data on this. The overwhelming majority of, uh, users of the maid program are white
00:35:29.700
Canadians. Um, now that is somewhat deceptive because the overwhelming majority of elderly people
00:35:35.780
in Canada are, uh, white Canadians, uh, though, um, though it's, and the maid program is mostly used by
00:35:46.580
elderly people. It's early days yet to look at its application to younger people, but there are
00:35:54.000
certainly, one of the things that, uh, comes out when you look at the anecdotal data rather than the,
00:36:01.960
uh, uh, government data on this is that the programs in question. Um, so when you, when you get made,
00:36:10.520
you're referred out to a specialist whose primary medical function is made. And this, um,
00:36:19.400
the kind of people who become specialists in made are exactly the kind of people you would expect to
00:36:25.920
become specialists in made. And, uh, like referring a, a pregnant woman directly to an abortionist
00:36:32.780
instead of an OBGBYN. Yeah, exactly. Um, and they all, they have their own motives for why they think,
00:36:40.240
uh, they should be made doctors, uh, a very famous, the most prolific made doctor in Canada,
00:36:46.840
uh, previously had a practice specializing in abortion, um, and decided when made legislation
00:36:53.600
passed that she was going to refocus her practice on killing the elderly. Um, well, I'm going to,
00:37:00.240
uh, avoid that posting here. Um, but, um, whatever you're thinking at home, I'm thinking it maybe
00:37:06.860
something more radical. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Continue. No, I, I mean, what do you say about, about any of
00:37:13.480
this? Like nothing legally. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Uh, and the, the consequence of your point about,
00:37:22.300
um, uh, the, the, the racial issue that sits subtextually here, it's hard to say like one of
00:37:32.420
the predictors for availing yourself of made is a kind of, um, like ultra liberals are more likely to
00:37:39.020
avail themselves of made, uh, for a variety of reasons, particularly it's kind of seen in parts
00:37:45.680
of Canadian societies and expression of autonomy. Uh, it's harder to say what's going on in the
00:37:51.880
underclass at this, this point, but certainly the anecdotal data we have is not great.
00:37:57.840
So let me say something here. Um, and, uh, you know, obviously, uh, for my attitude towards this,
00:38:03.880
I think people can recognize this is in no way me advocating, uh, for this, but I do think there's
00:38:09.140
a discussion to be had, uh, that is reasonable, you know, in previous cultures, uh, you know, if you
00:38:15.560
found yourself at a certain level of failure, or if you found yourself at a certain level of pain,
00:38:22.400
uh, if you could no longer live a productive life, uh, there are many cultures, some of which we do
00:38:28.040
honor, uh, you know, the ancient Greeks or Romans perhaps in certain scenarios, uh, where one would
00:38:34.380
take one's life. And that was seen as an honorable way to meet your end, to, to take control, to take
00:38:40.680
a certain level of autonomy would be something that was justified. Uh, I have my own answer to this,
00:38:47.340
but I'll get yours first. You know, do you feel like there is in any way, uh, a reasonable point
00:38:54.100
to be made about choosing one's own end? Uh, and, and it, I understand there's many other pressures
00:39:00.200
involved, uh, in this process, which we've already named, but do you think there is some level of,
00:39:06.280
uh, uh, you know, uh, reasonable argument to that?
00:39:10.680
Yeah. I mean, if you want to take your own life because you dishonored yourself in war or something,
00:39:16.100
I'm not going to stand in your way and stop you. Um, made is not that made is society. Um,
00:39:26.360
made is a program which targets the most vulnerable and the most marginal in society
00:39:30.780
and decides that the correct thing to do with them is to cut costs and kill them. Um,
00:39:35.780
from my point of view, uh, the ethics of like what you do when your, uh, life comes together in total
00:39:47.720
failure. I mean, I'm a Christian. I have a point of view that your, your life, that you should never
00:39:53.840
end your own life that, uh, that's, you know, it, God rules over is supposed to rule over when you
00:40:01.380
live and when you die. But, uh, I can kind of understand that and I can understand socially
00:40:07.580
defending it. I cannot socially, I cannot understand defending a society that would take its most vulnerable
00:40:15.580
and rationalize is their care into a situation where they feel trapped into killing themselves.
00:40:23.640
Yeah, I would certainly agree with that. And, and my, to give people, I think a moral framework,
00:40:29.120
maybe to, to kind of flesh this out, there's a difference between, you know, you're, you're
00:40:35.400
about to be tortured to death and you decide to, to end it because you don't want to give over
00:40:40.240
information or, you know, you, you know, that the only end is, is something horrific and humiliating,
00:40:45.860
um, you know, there's, or perhaps even, you know, choosing, uh, to, to end your life because of
00:40:52.180
some kind of dishonorable failure, as opposed to a, a, a managerial mechanized, massified state
00:41:01.580
sponsored program. Uh, these are very radically different things. Uh, sadly, uh, I've, you know, I've,
00:41:08.580
you know, my first wife died of cancer very young. I'm familiar with terminal illnesses,
00:41:14.100
the processes involved, the discussions that are had, the amount of pain, the amount of medications
00:41:19.380
I've had, I've been, I've been here. I've been here in every way, shape or form. Um, and luckily
00:41:26.040
that's never a conversation I ever had to have because my wife was a Christian and believed exactly
00:41:30.780
as you say. Uh, but ultimately if that had been a choice, no one is keeping you from ending your
00:41:38.360
life. The question is, will the state be doing it for you? Is there a state actor, a bureaucracy,
00:41:46.180
a soulless, nameless, faceless entity that is processing and fulfilling these requests after
00:41:52.940
building a system that forces people down this path? They're not making suicide illegal,
00:41:58.820
right? Like obviously, uh, good luck with that. The question is, will the state be doing it for you?
00:42:05.480
And that is a radically, radically different question than do people have the right to end
00:42:10.540
their own life because they feel like that is in some way more dignified. Those are not
00:42:15.200
the same questions. Well, and it's, I began early on discussing the doctrine of double effect and end
00:42:23.120
of life care. Like we're not talking about that. We're talking about a diagnosis that says at some
00:42:28.580
point in the future, I'm going to die. Those are, that's a very different thing than my death is
00:42:34.120
foreseeable in, in two hours or maybe a day. Um, there's all kinds of, I would not, I would very,
00:42:45.640
I would very much hesitate to call a medical diagnosis that says I have a terminal illness,
00:42:50.160
the same thing as, uh, so if you were to sample 10,000 people, uh, who got a diagnosis of a terminal
00:43:01.720
illness, you'll find that the medical prognosis, uh, that they were given is not identical in a
00:43:08.600
substantial minority of cases to, to their actual outcome, right? Medical errors occur. Uh, not only
00:43:15.780
that people often live a lot, a lot longer than they expect to with a lot higher quality of life
00:43:21.040
than they expect with an illness that is terminal. Um, these are, this is just part of life. It's part
00:43:28.680
of medicine. And so, uh, you know, it, a lot is riding on this idea that you're going to, that, that
00:43:38.500
you're terminally ill and nothing is ever going to change. I, I just, there's so many levels at which
00:43:46.900
that that's a problem in my mind. No, I agree a hundred percent. I personally know several people
00:43:53.160
with terminal illnesses who were able to live well beyond their diagnosis. And as you say, with a
00:43:59.280
higher quality of life, you know, they, they were given six months, they lived two, three, five years,
00:44:05.180
you know, uh, so the idea that just because that diagnosis is received, it's going to be accurate.
00:44:10.820
Uh, it's going to be conclusive, uh, that no other treatment options will become available.
00:44:15.500
Uh, these are all, these are all, uh, fallacies. And again, once you're funneling, the key is not just
00:44:21.700
the availability. It's not like they just throw the project out there and say, okay, well, if you want
00:44:26.760
to use it, it's there for you. You're fine. It's the funneling. It's the, it's the increase. Well,
00:44:31.080
if it's there, then of course you're just being a burden. If you don't use it, are you the kind
00:44:36.480
of person who would rather be a burden to the state or a burden to your family and friends
00:44:40.040
rather than, you know, just go ahead and taking care of that issue? Are you being responsible for
00:44:45.020
this? I, I think that that is a wildly different, different dynamic. You are, you are, we've, we've
00:44:50.480
talked about nudge, you know, units before nudge culture managerial apparatuses, and you're
00:44:56.220
building a nudge culture literally towards execution for someone who, you know, won't
00:45:01.980
be a, a, a properly performing economic widget in the managerial structure.
00:45:06.640
Well, and you're sending a message that people who, um, aren't of normal capacity, they're
00:45:13.140
chronically ill or whatever the case may be are of no value. Um, you should not send that
00:45:21.560
message as a sovereign. You should send a message as a sovereign that says that you
00:45:26.680
have a duty to try to contribute in every way possible and that every person has a positive
00:45:31.500
duty, right? That that's how you cause people with reduced capacity to get the most out of
00:45:38.860
their life. Uh, you try to encourage them to integrate socially. You try to encourage
00:45:43.120
themselves, not them, not to view themselves as a burden to be disposed of, but to view themselves
00:45:48.200
as a positive contributor in some way. And maybe not everybody realizes that reality, but
00:45:54.220
without a social message that, uh, is projected from law and culture, uh, you're going to get
00:46:06.940
Now I want to ask you about the role that perhaps immigration plays in this, because I know that
00:46:12.640
Canada is a country that has received a, a large amount of, uh, immigration in the last
00:46:19.480
few years. It's become, you know, in many ways, demographically radically, uh, transformed
00:46:24.180
due to this. Uh, we've seen the announcement of, uh, you know, Canada as a post-national
00:46:29.600
project, uh, by guys like Justin Trudeau. Um, and the interesting thing about a post-national
00:46:35.140
project is the idea theoretically is that you're welcoming everyone, right? We no longer identify
00:46:40.000
ourselves as this like singular entity and the, you know, there's, there's a welcoming
00:46:45.060
of, of different cultures and peoples and ways of life. Uh, but what it seems to devolve
00:46:50.180
into rather quickly is, uh, the, you know, the old economic zone, you know, as you've mentioned
00:46:55.000
many times, uh, during this, but you know, I've obviously made this comparison many times
00:46:59.640
before. Uh, but the fact that it's, it's so, the focus is so much on the metrics, you know,
00:47:06.460
what can we squeeze out of any given individual? Are they going to be contributing? Are they
00:47:10.760
going to be a long-term drag on this? These are things that, that enter your mind first
00:47:16.460
as a manager, instead of a true leader, a true sovereign, there's a, there's a great
00:47:21.260
mentality shift between the managerial mindset and the statesman. But in addition to that,
00:47:27.800
when people stop being your people and they just stop being, and they just start being whoever
00:47:32.880
is in your zone, whoever currently occupies the space, it's not about someone being Canadian
00:47:38.780
or having value as a Canadian inherently simply because there was something owed to them for
00:47:44.540
having been a product of this culture and tradition and people. But instead Canadians are just kind
00:47:50.760
of whoever happens to be currently in the geographic borders. And then it's just a ballot evaluating
00:47:56.300
the optimal outcome for these largely unrelated, unconnected people to whom we owe very little.
00:48:02.420
I think that mentality shift makes a program like made far more acceptable in the public mind and in
00:48:09.440
the mind of the bureaucrats. Yeah. I mean, you hit on a lot of, um, deeply insightful things there.
00:48:17.520
Uh, the one I, I would draw the most attention to is the way that the philosophy of the post-national
00:48:22.640
state separates the ruling class from the people that they have a kind of duty to God to protect
00:48:29.600
and to, uh, serve. Um, Canada has a long history with the concept of noblesse oblige,
00:48:37.140
a history which has been erased in the multicultural project. Um, Canada's history. So that's certainly
00:48:47.480
one aspect to the way in which, uh, mass migration, uh, and the post-national state have played into
00:48:54.680
this program. The other is the economic damage that has occurred as a consequence of mass migration in
00:49:01.080
Canada. Mass migration was sold here as a problem to, as a, a method to address the economic problems of
00:49:10.280
the country, uh, at least in part. Um, but the actual consequence of the program has been to make
00:49:19.560
the economy worse because the overwhelming majority of particularly the Trudeau era migrants are low
00:49:28.060
skill, low wage migrants who receive a great deal of social assistance of various kinds. And so what
00:49:36.760
we've got in Canada that we were fortunate never to have before is the development of an ethnic underclass
00:49:45.320
that kind of monopolizes the service industry in, in parts of the country. And it's, um, you know,
00:49:53.400
it comes with all sorts of problems, but one of the problems it comes with is the economic deterioration
00:50:00.040
of the social welfare system. And I talked earlier about how made exists at the confluence of several
00:50:07.880
different trends within the Canadian elite, a kind of liberal self-actualization trend, a neoliberal,
00:50:15.320
uh, sort of, um, reduced cost management mindset and sort of, um, a self, a self-actualizing,
00:50:25.720
uh, I'm an individual in my, my autonomy means more than anything else kind of trend.
00:50:31.560
And I think this kind of deep underlying trend in the mind of the sort of international liberal,
00:50:38.360
the self-extinguishing trend, um, and all of the, all of those trends actually meet in the project of
00:50:45.320
mass migration in the same way they meet in the project of made.
00:50:48.200
I want to do more on this, but I think there is something deeply true about what you just said
00:50:56.040
there. The, you know, my buddy Morgoth says that the NHS, you know, but that at this point,
00:51:02.360
the UK is really just a healthcare system, uh, with, with some, with a country attached. Yeah.
00:51:08.360
Right. And it feels like more and more, uh, these massive Leviathan bureaucracies that were originally
00:51:16.840
created to serve a specific people have emerged as like, you know, like a, like a golem that,
00:51:25.400
like, like something that is just out of control of the people and is no longer bound to them in any
00:51:30.120
sense. And obviously this ties into the managers and the, the, the elites and their separation from the
00:51:35.320
people, but more importantly, almost, almost like a machine, like, or, or perhaps, uh, like a,
00:51:40.440
like an alien, uh, you know, like, like one of those, uh, aliens bursting from the chest,
00:51:45.160
you know, from, from the aliens movies where it is consumed the original host. Uh, and now it is a
00:51:51.320
creature that is ravenous searching for more. And in, in, in, in a way it is serving these people.
00:51:57.400
It needs more, more immigrants to come in to feed the machine and serve and to be served by the machine,
00:52:02.840
but it also needs to, to feast on their productivity and consume all that's left of its original host in
00:52:08.840
order to continue to existence. And so we're almost seeing this kind of, in a way, the post national
00:52:13.880
existence of these projects, these entities is one of a, of kind of a, a, a monster that has emerged,
00:52:21.320
uh, out of their original hosts. And now, you know, kind of, uh, sucks in the world, vacuums in,
00:52:27.080
uh, just kind of raw human capital, you know, an attempt to continue, uh, it's, it's, it's momentum,
00:52:33.240
it's, it's mission. And that mission itself also has to increase. So, you know, made can no longer
00:52:39.160
just be about, uh, its original process. We have to be moving into those who are not really terminally
00:52:44.360
ill and infants and it just larger and larger, always an excuse to consume more resources,
00:52:50.360
expand what is offered, uh, and ultimately drive people towards, uh, this, uh, the, this kind of
00:52:57.400
wandering, uh, monstrosity as if it is somehow essential to the operation of their lives when
00:53:02.760
really it is destroying their lives by becoming the central thing by which, uh, their entire nation
00:53:07.800
kind of dictates its value. At the options conference in the seventies in Canada, um, Northrop
00:53:16.200
Bry, who's a very famous Canadian literary scholar said that Canada, uh, was part of a global trend
00:53:23.080
toward post-nationalism and that it was one of the first countries, uh, intellectually dealing
00:53:29.640
with the consequences of it. And that if Canada were successful in addressing post-nationalism,
00:53:35.800
uh, it would be a model for, uh, the rest of the world, um, in, in context,
00:53:42.920
he was speaking of the rest of the Anglosphere. And I think that prophecy has come true in,
00:53:49.800
in, in a number of respects. Um, but it's, uh, it's come true in a way that would have horrified,
00:53:58.120
uh, the people making the original, um, that trying to, trying to create the original
00:54:05.000
intellectual structure for how Canada would exist as a post-national state. Um,
00:54:10.440
Yeah. This is not the kind of leadership they were hoping for globally.
00:54:13.480
Yeah, exactly. Um, and so, uh, there's a real sense in which we talked today about made in Canada.
00:54:23.400
Um, there's currently a, a similar debate going on in the United Kingdom, where it is likely that
00:54:29.400
they will have made, uh, legislation along the Canadian mode here shortly. Uh, it, it is true
00:54:40.600
network that this idea has currency. And I think it has idea, this idea has currency all across the
00:54:47.000
world because of this common set of social forces driving societies towards this end. Um,
00:54:56.600
and so, uh, you know, we talked about a particular context, but I think the broader implications
00:55:02.120
and finding a way to address these social forces is in some ways, the real challenge of our time.
00:55:11.000
Well, and a lot of people, yeah, I, I tend to stay as America focused as possible. You know,
00:55:15.720
I try not to be obsessed with the problems of other countries. I think, uh, you know, as,
00:55:20.520
as people who want to focus on bettering our own nations, uh, it is, it is helpful to,
00:55:25.080
to try to stay domestically minded as possible. But when I do shows like this, it is specifically
00:55:29.960
because of what you're talking about here, where this is something I can see spreading
00:55:34.120
across the entire Anglo sphere, right? We're, we're quickly moving into, uh, the UK. I can,
00:55:39.960
you know, obviously people talk about this in the United States as well. Uh, you know,
00:55:44.040
and this is an option in certain states, uh, at certain levels. And so, uh, this is obviously
00:55:49.800
an egregore that I think is sweeping, uh, as you say, across many different domains that are touched
00:55:54.840
by the same set of political realities or have the same, uh, have, have the same set of certain
00:56:00.120
cultural understandings and traditions that are unfortunately, uh, slowly morphing into this.
00:56:04.760
So that's why I, uh, like to, to talk about these things, even though they are not yet manifesting
00:56:10.280
totally in the United States, because I think, uh, by, by observing and understanding these
00:56:14.920
situations in, in other countries, we can often catch a glimpse of what's coming down the line
00:56:19.880
and hopefully, uh, ways to stop it. But obviously, uh, that is, that is something that you guys are
00:56:24.840
battling in Canada long-term. Now I'll ask you this before we move to the questions of the people
00:56:29.560
real quick. Uh, you know, a lot of, a lot of times the UK and American commentators will kind of
00:56:35.240
argue over who has it worse, you know, which, which one of us is really cooked, you know,
00:56:38.840
who, who has a future, who's going to make it out of this. And, uh, you know, the, the Americans will
00:56:42.920
say, no, it's, it's the Europeans that are done or it's UK that's done. Uh, they'll say vice versa.
00:56:48.360
No, the demographics in America are, it's too late. And you guys are, are already over. But when you
00:56:54.040
look at Canada, it feels like, you know, the United States, ironically, because it's ground zero of the
00:57:01.800
empire also has the most antibodies to kind of what, what is often called the liberal mind virus,
00:57:08.680
I try to avoid, but kind of works here. Uh, it, it, because it's kind of, it's, it's like a smallpox,
00:57:15.000
right? Like the Europeans have already had the waves. So when they come to the United States,
00:57:18.520
it's the, it's the native, uh, Indian population, uh, the native American population that gets wiped
00:57:24.760
out because they've never been exposed to the illness. They don't have it. You know, it feels the,
00:57:30.160
because the United States birthed some of much of this, we already have the most resistance to it.
00:57:35.640
The UK has less resistance, but still some, it feels like in Canada, there's very little,
00:57:41.940
it feels like there's almost no momentum in pushing back against this. Is there an emerging,
00:57:47.200
uh, conservative or right-wing understanding of movement? Do, do young people see where you're
00:57:54.200
going and, and, and is there any level of organization to defend off this kind of thing or,
00:57:58.800
or is Canada largely locked into this thought pattern moving forward?
00:58:02.840
Um, so it's important to note that sovereignty is held very tightly in Canada by a very small
00:58:10.480
number of people. So, um, Justin Trudeau was prime minister of Canada for over a decade for, uh,
00:58:18.340
uh, a large part of that, uh, time. He was in a position of very near absolute sovereignty. He was in
00:58:26.600
that position having received between 30 and 40% of the vote. So you're not talking about people,
00:58:36.280
you're actually talking about a very narrow ruling elite with a very particular client base that votes
00:58:43.000
for it over and over and over again. Um, which I think is easy to miss when you're looking at it
00:58:50.240
internationally. Um, because of the Canadian political structure, they're able to wield almost
00:58:56.160
total authority over our, our government as a consequence of that. That's a double-edged sword.
00:59:02.400
It means that Canadian politics can shift very, very rapidly, um, as a consequence of a choice to,
00:59:10.960
to go in another direction. So that's, that's kind of one aspect to it. The other aspect to it
00:59:16.680
is that, uh, the Canadian, um, state monopoly on the propaganda apparatus is, uh, it's not quite
00:59:25.720
North Korea, but it's, it's getting there. Uh, we have aggressive censorship laws. We have
00:59:33.880
state funded media, uh, we have state run media and we have state funded media and we have no other
00:59:39.080
media and we have censored social media. So, uh, for example, uh, Facebook was forced to shut down its
00:59:45.800
politics, uh, services in Canada because they carried non-state sanctioned media in it.
00:59:53.400
How long ago was that? Uh, maybe four or five years ago.
00:59:58.840
Yeah. I think that that would got a lot more, uh, a lot more attention.
01:00:02.920
Yeah. So, um, and right now we're in discussion over whether or not we're going to ban Twitter acts.
01:00:08.840
Uh, so a lot of the, um, apparent consensus that you see in Canada is manufactured because of this,
01:00:16.920
uh, very kind of top down approach to, um, the manufacturing of opinion. Uh, so I, I actually
01:00:25.960
think Canadian politics, if it flips could flip very rapidly and you could see a huge preference cascade.
01:00:31.400
Um, there are subpopulations in Canada, which are highly resistant to this, um, way of life and
01:00:40.040
willing to make enormous sacrifices in order to avoid it. Uh, Canada has some of the most well-developed,
01:00:46.520
uh, Christian school, Christian university systems, uh, anywhere outside the United States. Again,
01:00:53.640
all done with, uh, no support out of the varying state apparatuses. And, you know, in Trinity Western
01:01:02.040
university fought, uh, a six year legal battle with the Ontario law society over the existence of
01:01:07.720
its loss over its attempt to build a law school, uh, because it had Christian sexual ethics as part
01:01:14.200
of its code of conduct. So there are subpopulations in Canada that very aggressively kind of have a will
01:01:22.840
to a life after this state. That being said, I don't think Canada, as you might've understood it
01:01:31.320
in 1970 is ever coming back. What will happen after the kind of totalitarian liberalism of the
01:01:39.400
2000s through today, through however long this lasts will not look like what was before. It will look
01:01:45.960
like something new and it will look like something new in part because of the change in geopolitical
01:01:51.640
dynamic in part because of, because it seems unlikely that mass migration will be completely
01:01:58.280
reversed. Uh, and in part because the system that existed circa 1970 in Canada was unable to defend
01:02:06.040
itself from this. So if things change, it is more likely to be in a, all of a sudden for no reason at
01:02:12.920
all, uh, manner. Yeah. So for example, Canada had negative net migration in 2025, right?
01:02:21.160
Uh, it went from a situation where more than a million people came in 2024 to Canada, um,
01:02:30.280
mostly temporary foreign workers, but nevertheless, a huge number of people, uh, to scale that up to
01:02:36.200
American terms, that would be like having 12 or 13 million people enter the United States in a single
01:02:42.200
year. And then the next year you have a net, uh, you have net negative migration. So these things can
01:02:47.800
shift very, very rapidly. Um, and they shift as a consequence that they shift in a very top down way.
01:02:59.480
a lot of play in the media, let's put it that way.
01:03:03.240
Well, I won't say that it was an enjoyable discussion, but I will say it was an informative
01:03:07.400
one. Uh, and I appreciate you coming on. I know these are not, uh, you know, bright and shiny issues.
01:03:14.120
There's nothing, uh, uplifting about them, but I do think they're incredibly important.
01:03:18.200
And I know a lot of people wanted to understand better, uh, how that program is running and
01:03:23.160
developing. If for no other reason, then, uh, we are not necessarily, uh, completely out of sight
01:03:28.200
of something similar finding its way to our shores as well. So I appreciate you coming on to talk about
01:03:33.880
it. Is there anything that you want people to follow any work out there that you want people to find
01:03:38.920
any place you want to point in before we go to the questions of the people? Yeah, I run a, a show on
01:03:44.600
YouTube and on subs and a piece on, on sub stack called the red ensign, uh, which looks at, uh,
01:03:50.680
Canadian politics in a very kind of hard headed lens, uh, from the perspective of the legacy Canadian
01:03:56.920
population. Um, and you know, it's mostly hard analytical work rather than advocacy work, but you
01:04:03.000
can find my work there. Excellent. All right, guys, let's go to the questions of the people here real quick.
01:04:08.120
We've got, uh, Simon Robert, uh, Roban says, uh, can we have a round table on why, uh, us medical is, uh,
01:04:17.560
maybe sad face? Um, yeah, I mean, eventually we can definitely talk about the American healthcare system.
01:04:23.160
There's, uh, so much there. It's hard to even know where to start. Uh, but obviously, uh, a huge amount of this
01:04:29.880
comes from, uh, basically the fact that, uh, the, the, the way that insurance companies have been woven into, uh,
01:04:36.680
the United States medical system and the disaster that that is, but that, that is most certainly
01:04:41.240
it's a own entire, uh, uh, episode. Perhaps we should do that soon.
01:04:47.160
Bren's Winkle says fed post, fed post, fed post. No, sir. No, sir. We, we have nothing but emotional
01:04:52.260
continents here. Okay. We are, we, we, we chimp when we need to, but always up to the line, not over the
01:04:58.360
line. Um, you know, so, uh, we, we will maintain, uh, discipline and Florida Henry says, I can't
01:05:05.640
imagine boomers using made well, as, uh, as, uh, black horse said here, they are, uh, in fact,
01:05:11.980
the vast majority of people, which you think would make sense. People who the, the people who are more
01:05:16.680
likely to be facing terminal illnesses, how to a life beforehand. Uh, though, sadly the growing
01:05:23.420
category say it may not always be them that dominate that, but right now that they are the
01:05:27.880
dominant population utilizing it. Well, also they kind of believe that the meaning of their life is
01:05:33.640
wrapped up in self actual actualization. Um, the liberal view of life doesn't have a place
01:05:40.240
for people who are dying. Um, whereas, you know, I would say that people who are dying have something
01:05:47.700
profound to teach us. Um, you, you should spend time with your dying relatives. It, call it a radical
01:05:56.220
position, but that's my view. Nope. Amen to that. And one that is, is far too, you know, in a, yeah,
01:06:02.400
that again, much longer conversation. We can't get into it here. Uh, but so much, especially of just
01:06:07.900
kind of modern culture is avoiding death at every turn. We avoid the sick and the dying. Uh, we,
01:06:13.240
we shuffle them off. Uh, we, we put old people in nursing homes. We put, you know, terminally ill
01:06:18.240
people in hospices. Uh, we, we do everything we can to not have to interact, uh, with death on a
01:06:25.260
regular basis. We especially shelter children from it. And yet, uh, death is a, you know, is an
01:06:34.280
unavoidable part of life and, and understanding that is an, is an essential psychological characteristic
01:06:39.820
of maturity. It is in fact, literally what Heidegger said made us human. It, it, what is
01:06:46.580
Dasein is, is a being that realizes its own end, that its own death is, is imminent and, uh, then
01:06:54.520
chooses an ax in, in that. Uh, so we're literally stripping away the very understanding of, of human
01:07:02.280
existence, uh, when we remove the, uh, understanding of death as an inevitability and a visible one.
01:07:08.540
Uh, so yeah, lots to say there, but again, uh, can't get all of it today, but once again,
01:07:14.640
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