The Auron MacIntyre Show - Wokeness Is Dead. Long Live Wokeness ｜ Guest： The Aristocratic Utensil

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00:00:31.880 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

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00:00:38.060 Today we found out that a major ruling is coming out of a French court.

00:00:43.220 And it looks like Marine Le Pen, who is obviously the most important counter-candidate in France,

00:00:50.420 the right-wing candidate in France against Macron, is going to be charged.

00:00:56.540 And it looks like she is going to lose the ability to run.

00:00:59.840 In the next election, which adds her to a long list of European politicians and, in some cases, American politicians,

00:01:07.660 who have been attempted to be removed by the judiciary or is actually banned from running by the judiciary,

00:01:13.400 really calling into question whether or not we have anything approaching actual democracy across the Western world.

00:01:19.040 Also, it looks like a number of companies and politicians have had split messaging.

00:01:24.360 In some instances, they seem to recognize the post-Trump moment and are attempting to fix what's going on,

00:01:31.280 maybe make some course corrections ideologically.

00:01:34.120 In other cases, it looks like they are doubling down and getting as woke as possible,

00:01:39.260 taking away absolutely nothing from what they should have learned in this scenario.

00:01:43.440 Even countries like the UK just completely becoming woke dystopian hellscapes in the aftermath of Trump's election.

00:01:51.320 Joining me today to talk about these topics is Spoon.

00:01:54.700 He is a YouTuber over on the Aristocratic Utensil.

00:01:57.980 Thanks for joining me, man.

00:01:59.860 Thank you very much, man.

00:02:00.700 It's a habit to be on.

00:02:02.960 Absolutely.

00:02:03.600 So for people who aren't familiar with your work,

00:02:06.400 can you give a little bit of an intro to what you do and how you ended up here?

00:02:12.000 Okay.

00:02:12.400 So my channel basically started several years ago because people said to me,

00:02:16.660 if you don't use your voice for something, you're going to waste your life, essentially.

00:02:20.460 So that's pretty much how I ended up on YouTube.

00:02:24.100 And as far as my unusual monarchical leanings are concerned,

00:02:27.700 that was pretty much just from an observational perspective and looking at the world going,

00:02:32.900 okay, clearly democracy has a whole bunch of things that make no sense.

00:02:37.460 The main one that threw me off was that,

00:02:40.080 why do we like democracy, but we hate everyone in government?

00:02:45.840 That still doesn't make any sense to me.

00:02:48.200 And no one seems to be able to answer that question.

00:02:50.580 Yeah.

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00:03:59.840 All right, Spoon, so like I said, the breaking story really right now is Marine Le Pen

00:04:06.340 basically being banned from running in France for five years.

00:04:11.320 Obviously, we saw the Democrats try to get rid of Donald Trump both through the judiciary process

00:04:18.520 and just by shooting him in the United States.

00:04:21.900 We saw Bolsonaro get forced out in Brazil.

00:04:25.500 We saw, you know, the Romania pull a similar thing with their right-wing candidate.

00:04:32.700 And now Le Pen, the obvious, you know, and I believe she was leading in the polls up to this point,

00:04:37.760 kind of the obvious frontrunner probably for the 2007 French election,

00:04:41.740 has suddenly been charged and convicted in what looks like the accusation

00:04:47.500 is that there was some kind of embezzlement because she had aides that were helping her both win

00:04:54.020 with European Parliament business and with party business.

00:04:57.700 Again, I don't know a ton about French politics, but from what has been described to me,

00:05:02.860 this is a relatively common thing that happens.

00:05:05.580 Usually if someone really pushes the rules too far, they might get a slight slap on the wrist.

00:05:10.900 But Le Pen here has received a four-year sentence.

00:05:13.800 She's supposed to spend two years under house arrest and have the other two waived.

00:05:18.160 I think it's a hundred thousand euro fee for what happened here.

00:05:23.120 And finally, and most importantly, this takes her off of the ballot.

00:05:27.260 And a lot of people are assuming that that was the ultimate point,

00:05:30.200 was to force her off the ballot with these trumped-up charges.

00:05:33.960 What's your initial response to the charges being leveled at her?

00:05:37.080 Well, I would imagine the first one would be, if it is common practice,

00:05:42.140 what is the usual punishment from everyone else that has been accused of similar conduct?

00:05:49.180 Because if the answer is none of this has been severe,

00:05:51.140 then the first question is, well, why the hell is she getting it so heavily?

00:05:54.160 And then you just look at the opposition.

00:05:55.640 Well, if she's the main opposition and she's getting slapped mercilessly

00:05:59.360 and she can't run for president and she is the main candidate,

00:06:02.120 then it looks like a political head job.

00:06:04.600 Which it very likely is.

00:06:05.600 I mean, it is France after all.

00:06:08.360 Yeah, no, that's exactly right.

00:06:10.040 And I think that's what most people have come to when they look at this.

00:06:14.800 Again, I'm not an expert in French politics,

00:06:17.520 but from what I have seen from people on the ground who are familiar,

00:06:21.240 it looks like, again, this is very common.

00:06:23.920 Unfortunately, this is what happens in a lot of scenarios

00:06:26.400 when it comes to the enforcement of the quote-unquote rule of law.

00:06:31.100 You know, it turns out that most people are violating the law

00:06:35.600 because the law has so many different structures,

00:06:38.160 so many ways and twists and turns.

00:06:40.120 Most people can't even interpret it properly.

00:06:42.380 Most people are breaking it slightly one way or another.

00:06:44.800 And for the people who are aligned with the regime,

00:06:47.060 it's not a big deal.

00:06:48.120 They don't really suffer a penalty.

00:06:49.480 If they really want to make an example of someone,

00:06:51.600 I've been told, you know, they got a little slap on the wrist,

00:06:53.560 a fine of some kind.

00:06:54.660 And so this kind of long-term house arrest is completely unprecedented.

00:06:59.820 Certainly moving her into a category of unelectable,

00:07:03.040 unable to run for office for five years is pretty radical.

00:07:07.380 And so we have a scenario to most people,

00:07:09.560 which seems that once again,

00:07:10.920 we have an activist judiciary getting between people

00:07:14.340 and their ability to vote for right-wing candidates.

00:07:17.140 And this, I think, takes us to our larger question,

00:07:20.320 you know, that we were hinting at.

00:07:21.840 How can the West continue to pretend to be operating

00:07:26.220 under the auspices of liberal democracy

00:07:28.340 while invalidating all of the candidates

00:07:31.380 to the right of, I don't know, Mitt Romney

00:07:33.980 in any given election?

00:07:35.580 How can we pretend that we're going to lecture people

00:07:38.140 like Vladimir Putin when we're running around

00:07:40.760 and putting people in jail for disagreeing

00:07:43.160 with our own governments?

00:07:49.420 You know, Mike's cut up, by the way,

00:07:50.720 because I can't hear you.

00:07:51.840 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:07:52.820 Can you not hear me now?

00:07:55.480 Hello, hello?

00:08:00.420 Can you hear me now?

00:08:02.360 I can't.

00:08:03.300 I can see you're trying to speak, though.

00:08:08.040 That's interesting.

00:08:09.100 Chat, can you hear me?

00:08:10.280 Is that just on Spoon's side or is that?

00:08:17.260 I didn't do anything.

00:08:18.220 Nothing's different on my end.

00:08:19.360 Okay, the chat is saying they can hear me.

00:08:24.700 So it's something going on on your end.

00:08:27.780 I will send you a message.

00:08:29.680 So, you know, this is the exciting part of live streams.

00:08:34.180 You never know what's going to happen.

00:08:35.420 You never know what's going to happen.

00:08:38.480 The chat can hear me.

00:08:47.000 See if maybe Spoon can log in and log out and fix that.

00:08:49.920 So while Spoon is trying to figure out the technical side of that, I'll speak a little bit more on the topic, and hopefully he'll be able to work that out.

00:09:05.100 Again, sorry for the technical difficulties there, guys.

00:09:08.020 So one of the problems, obviously, that we're seeing over and over again with the Europeans, and sadly this has crossed its way into America as well, is the propensity for these justices to try to push out the political opposition.

00:09:28.220 Anytime they see a populace, anytime they see a right-winger moving into possible positions of power, they're trying to leverage these people out of that position.

00:09:40.100 They're trying to make sure that they can't run in some way.

00:09:42.380 They become invalidated.

00:09:44.020 And all of this is hidden behind the rule of law, right?

00:09:46.480 Oh, well, there's some charge.

00:09:48.720 There's some reason.

00:09:49.940 I mean, Donald Trump, he might have bribed a porn star or something.

00:09:54.120 You know, there's always an excuse as to why that has happened.

00:09:58.040 Any luck hearing me better now, Spoon?

00:10:00.920 Yeah, there we go.

00:10:02.060 Okay.

00:10:02.960 All right.

00:10:03.880 So, yeah, I was just glad we're back on there, technically.

00:10:08.160 I was just saying what we're seeing over and over again is the rule of law is kind of this veil being thrown over what is a naked power play in many of these different countries.

00:10:19.600 We see the populist candidate, the right-wing candidate, start to gain momentum.

00:10:23.220 People are really pushing back against the system.

00:10:25.740 And then the judiciary is used.

00:10:27.700 There's some trumped-up charge.

00:10:29.000 Oh, he paid off a porn star or she used the wrong aid at some point.

00:10:34.220 And so all of a sudden, they can't run for office.

00:10:36.580 And we just see this over and over again.

00:10:38.640 It's being presented as, oh, well, this is the rule of law.

00:10:41.480 No one is above the law.

00:10:43.040 But in practice, it's very obvious that these regimes are just expelling the political opposition basis.

00:10:51.060 Yeah, it seems to be the rule of law is arbitrary to whoever the hell is in power, which is basically how any regime is going to work.

00:10:59.460 I mean, this is the way that you'll just hack democracy.

00:11:02.280 The idea that the people have choice is just flatly not true.

00:11:06.660 It's a mirage.

00:11:08.100 But good luck trying to tell the people that because it's like unplugging them from a drug.

00:11:12.520 Because the system must work.

00:11:14.380 Otherwise, the only other solution is a violent revolution.

00:11:18.140 And people are too fat and passive for that.

00:11:21.640 So voting is the only other way that essentially refreshes the system without, how did Dankula put it, or kicking off a boogaloo.

00:11:30.740 Well, to be fair, there have been moments where we've even seen authoritarian regimes crumble due to just incompetence and inability to continue.

00:11:41.060 I would hope that.

00:11:42.460 Right, precisely.

00:11:43.200 And I would hope, ultimately, that that is how some of these corrupt regimes go down.

00:11:49.120 Obviously, that's still not ideal.

00:11:51.220 That doesn't exactly create any kind of utopia.

00:11:54.240 The transition between those regimes and the next is always a dicey place.

00:11:59.180 But it probably beats open civil conflict.

00:12:02.260 The point is, though, as you're saying here, the idea of popular sovereignty is supposed to placate the masses.

00:12:08.140 They're supposed to look at this and say, well, I didn't get what I voted for, but we went through the process.

00:12:13.340 What do you do when you destroy the process, when you're actively undermining your own political formula, your own ruling myth, by destroying the idea that anyone can even stand for office if they actually have an opposition position?

00:12:27.120 I would imagine the way it works in our timeline is, from what I can tell, it just seems to be, well, as long as we can just sort of make our opposition or rather our constituents believe that the opposition is the ultimate evil, basically, that justifies us doing whatever the hell we want.

00:12:48.520 That seems to be just the basics of what I see all over Europe, is that we want to have national candidates or nationalist kind of candidates, and the immediate response is, okay, why is that bad?

00:12:59.820 We want to have these people run this nation, and therefore that's bad, which is funny, because if you say you want China to be Chinese, that's fine.

00:13:07.540 If you say you want Poland to be Polish, somehow that's offensive.

00:13:10.960 I'm like, why is the concept of national sovereignty and just wanting your own nation state to be your own people to be such a hellish concept?

00:13:23.260 Seems very strange, because this is not how any civilization has ever been run.

00:13:27.940 This is a rather recent phenomenon.

00:13:29.660 Throughout most of human history, that's kind of how anything works.

00:13:34.280 I have a question that I often ask in one of my videos is, what is the difference between segregation and nation state borders, if not scale?

00:13:40.960 Yep.

00:13:44.320 It's the same thing.

00:13:45.320 You're using force.

00:13:46.540 You're prohibiting the entry of certain people just using force.

00:13:49.340 It's just the one is race, the other one is legality.

00:13:52.560 But the concept is exactly the same.

00:13:57.360 Well, I think for a lot of people, obviously, that they're going to have a lot of problems with that abstraction.

00:14:05.380 However, ultimately, as you say, one way or another, the state is drawing a line of who belongs where, right?

00:14:13.180 Yeah, who's permitted into.

00:14:14.620 Is that right?

00:14:15.240 And this is the libertarian problem with borders in general, right?

00:14:18.440 Is that there is any discrimination by the state at all.

00:14:21.660 The state is making an affirmative choice of who should be here and who shouldn't be.

00:14:27.360 And that is in itself a problem.

00:14:29.500 Obviously, the left just wants to destroy the idea of nations altogether.

00:14:32.660 But you have to have a conservative understanding at some point of what borders really look like.

00:14:38.880 And I think ultimately, you also, if you're going to maintain the myth of democracy, you have to have some kind of credible attempt at opposition.

00:14:49.460 I think the problem has been, you know, for a long time, this was very controlled.

00:14:53.400 The candidates that were put forward were very milquetoast.

00:14:56.140 They were never going to make any real changes.

00:14:57.700 They were never going to do anything of real importance.

00:15:00.500 But we've had this populist momentum building across multiple nations.

00:15:05.720 People look at Bolsonaro, they look at Trump, they look at what's happening in France or El Salvador, and they want to be part of it.

00:15:15.020 They see the success of Bukele or someone like that, and they say, I want to see those kind of changes happen in my society.

00:15:22.820 And I think that's what really ultimately scares the ruling class and why it's so important for them to use the judiciary to defang these movements, because they see that this can actually work in places.

00:15:34.240 They see other people are witnessing their victory, and they're no longer okay with the controlled opposition.

00:15:40.460 They want to see real change, and that is, of course, the most dangerous things these regimes can imagine.

00:15:44.760 Yeah, I would sort of say where it gets really dicey from the right-wing perspective is that if you see Leviathan is being constructed for, like, the Cthulhu, sorry, Cthulhu always swims left.

00:15:58.200 And if you do that for, like, over a century and you construct Godzilla, the immediate response is, well, we're not going to go to the right-wing direction in 100 years unabated.

00:16:08.580 Like, that's not how that works.

00:16:10.560 The regime is not going to just lay down and let you build something that's going to fight it, you know, Power Rangers style, you know, in that same time frame.

00:16:19.720 They're obviously going to build resistance, and so the immediate response is, well, I want something that is equal to Godzilla that is going to crush it immediately, and the only kind of power that can be done to sort of combat the 100 years construction is going to look authoritarian by our standards.

00:16:39.500 And so the immediate reaction of, we must now combat this thing that's been built for 100 years looks quite scary to the regime.

00:16:49.160 And it's going to turn to most people, I would imagine, as well, actually, because it does look like, yeah, there's a phrase that Curtis Yavin used, which is that of the three political forms that Aristotle describes, if there's a rapacious oligarchy, then the unification of the masses behind the king can usually knock out the third.

00:17:07.540 Right.

00:17:07.980 Yeah, so that's just a lot of power behind one single person, and that's very scary in our timeline, because we actually cannot imagine a single person wielding power, because I think the bureaucracy is so freaking huge.

00:17:19.860 But I think if you can convince people that, what if you made the state smaller, but the one person gets to wield ultimate power, then it starts to look a lot less scary, because it's saying like, well, this one person is like the general of an army, but the army is smaller.

00:17:32.460 So they can, in theory, execute more, but what they can execute is sort of diminished.

00:17:41.260 And also, there's less bureaucracy.

00:17:43.620 Yeah, wider powers in a narrower field.

00:17:46.580 Yeah, exactly.

00:17:47.080 And that's really important, because I think a lot of people look at this, and they just think of it as an ideological revolution, which it is, but more importantly, it's a revolution inside the forms, as you say here.

00:17:59.080 We have a scenario that has been dominated by kind of the oligarchic form, the rule of the few.

00:18:06.600 And so that has been the deciding power, pretty much globally, we went out of our way, the United States in particular, to make that kind of the global ruling ideology and the global ruling form.

00:18:18.960 There's a reason that we needed everyone to be a democracy, because democracies have a particular form, they tend to be ruled by a few, they tend to eventually devolve into oligarchism.

00:18:29.620 I'm sorry?

00:18:30.800 They tend to be penetrable.

00:18:32.040 Yes, and so ultimately, you have this scenario where you know that you can kind of work with a particular system across all of these different nations.

00:18:42.400 There's a reason that this populist energy, this nationalist energy, also concentrates in stronger executives, because stronger executives can take the kind of action that you're talking about to make significant changes, which is what terrifies the people who have been avoiding it.

00:18:58.220 So it's not just, oh, we're getting populism, we're getting nationalism, we're also getting a continuous pull for stronger executives, because they're the only ones that can break through, as you pointed out, that oligarchic structure.

00:19:09.540 Yeah. It is quite strange to me that, okay, this is more of an American phenomenon.

00:19:15.900 In Europe, it's because I think Europe has had monarchical kingdoms throughout most of its history, so it's not really that, it's not really that hard for Europeans to picture the return of sort of monarchical figures, but it is kind of an America.

00:19:27.800 But I also think it is quite weird, because I think if you ask your average American, how much do they know about their local governments?

00:19:33.640 Like, most people don't know their local representatives, but if you ask them who's in the White House, all of them know.

00:19:38.960 And it is quite strange to me, Curtis pointed this out as well, is that the only sort of political figure that people actually pay attention to is in the White House.

00:19:48.580 The only election people pay attention to is the general.

00:19:51.640 And if you look at Gerd Wallers when he was elected over in the Netherlands, or whether it was Boris Johnson when he was elected in the UK, everyone pays attention to the one.

00:20:00.120 Because everyone, like, the concept of a bureaucracy does not even exist on people's heads, because they don't really know how government actually functions in the present day.

00:20:07.800 They all just look at the one, because that is what is most familiar to us.

00:20:11.120 It's just the one chief executive, or it's the one king, or it's the one prince, or the sultan, or it's just this one person who pulls the strings of everybody.

00:20:20.160 And that's just how we seem to function in the West.

00:20:22.680 But that's not how our system actually functions.

00:20:24.640 And when you try to explain people that, well, the way how you actually behave is you actually long for a king, because you seem to think the chief executive is the one doing everything.

00:20:33.940 And it's not true.

00:20:34.880 But your behavior behaves as if you still live in the old world in a strange kind of way.

00:20:39.640 Yeah, Yarvin has made this point several times, and it's a good one, that whether you, you know, the left is pretending that, you know, America is some fascist dictatorship, and we all are like, well, no, of course it isn't.

00:20:53.160 But then you look at the way both the left and right act, and they act as if Donald Trump should have the powers of the king.

00:20:58.620 Like, even the left seems to believe that he can just, like, immediately wave a wand and turn everything into the handmaid tale or something.

00:21:05.560 So, like, even if formally the power is democratic and spread out, in actuality, as you point out, everyone acts as if it's concentrated in a singular executive figure.

00:21:16.600 Yeah.

00:21:16.840 What was that picture of, I think it was, like, a concert inauguration one where everyone is, like, wearing red and, like, black hats.

00:21:24.900 And you had a post of, like, please just give me the Trump that the left actually fears.

00:21:29.720 Because it is true.

00:21:31.320 I look at them like, oh, my God.

00:21:32.640 He's not going to be, like, the kin walking down golden steps and, like, firing a gun in the air and just, like, everyone will fall to their knees and pray that he's, like, the new God.

00:21:39.080 Like, that's not how he actually is.

00:21:41.240 He's a really milquetoast Democrat kind of figure in the grand scheme of things.

00:21:45.200 But, my God, it is really funny watching this book.

00:21:47.360 Because it's not true at all.

00:21:49.040 Like, they live in a fictitious world.

00:21:51.140 It's bizarre.

00:21:51.860 So, let me ask you this.

00:21:54.380 There was a little bit of an inter-online right tussle over the last, I think, probably few months.

00:22:02.520 As Trump has taken power, he has, in some times and moments, been hostile to foreign governments.

00:22:12.060 And this has allowed some of the left-wing progressive leaders of those governments to get to play the nationalist.

00:22:20.740 I'm up against the big, mean Trump guy.

00:22:23.960 I'm fighting against this foreign, you know, interloper who wants to mess with our elections.

00:22:29.420 He's going to deploy Elon Musk and his billions of dollars to mess with our elections.

00:22:33.980 And, you know, I'm standing firm for our national sovereignty.

00:22:37.220 And a lot of the European right has looked to this and said, well, you know, Trump has ruined this, like, international option, right?

00:22:47.240 Like, he's weakening an international coalition of the right wing.

00:22:51.900 I am of the opinion that that's the wrong way to understand how this process is going to work.

00:22:57.520 I didn't ever think that, you know, I'm glad Trump got elected.

00:23:00.420 I hope that inspires other leaders to do what they need to do.

00:23:04.500 But I never thought that Trump was going to single-handedly, like, carry a global movement to, like, free everyone from a progressive tyranny.

00:23:13.900 What do you think about the kind of clash that seems to have grown up between a little bit of the European right and a little bit of the American right online?

00:23:19.920 Yeah, I don't actually understand how that actually even works from a functional perspective.

00:23:25.520 Because I would imagine, okay, if we just look at it globally, you should get an academic agent to talk about this because I think he would have some strong words to say.

00:23:33.140 Is that America and Europe tend to not see eye to eye on many things for historical reasons, obviously.

00:23:40.040 So, for me, the concept that the American president would be a bit hostile because he is the head of, well, technically speaking, kind of an empire.

00:23:48.940 I wouldn't expect him to be anything other than antagonistic towards people that he tends to want to take advantage of or rule.

00:23:56.940 Because that's how empires work.

00:24:00.320 So, I don't know why you expect him to be friendly.

00:24:02.220 Like, if you expect people to, like, if you are someone who sees the American as a hostile power and you're a right-wing person, you're going to see him as an antagonist.

00:24:11.800 So, naturally, like, the idea that, ooh, you have to be pro-Trump but also be a nationalist of a different country and Trump might hammer you.

00:24:19.380 It's like, what the fucking hell are you talking about?

00:24:21.060 If he's going to hammer you and you're a nationalist, he's going to be your enemy.

00:24:24.440 Like, hello, this is how all nation-states work.

00:24:27.120 They work within their self-interest.

00:24:28.520 And if it is against the American president, then so be it.

00:24:31.340 When I found out my friend got a great deal on a designer dress from Winners, I started wondering, is every fabulous item I see from Winners?

00:24:41.000 Like that woman over there with the Italian leather handbag.

00:24:43.940 Is that from Winners?

00:24:45.120 Ooh, or that beautiful silk skirt.

00:24:47.660 Did she pay full price?

00:24:48.900 Or those suede sneakers?

00:24:50.460 Or that luggage?

00:24:51.560 Or that trench?

00:24:52.680 Those jeans?

00:24:53.400 That jacket?

00:24:54.120 Those heels?

00:24:54.740 Is anyone paying full price for anything?

00:24:57.980 Stop wondering.

00:24:59.260 Start winning.

00:24:59.780 Winners find fabulous for less.

00:25:02.640 Yeah, that was very confusing to me.

00:25:05.180 Like, again, I certainly would like to have allies.

00:25:08.680 And I think there are things we can learn from each other and ways in which we can help each other.

00:25:13.200 But ultimately, nationalism means working for the good of the nation.

00:25:17.280 And specifically, when Trump is interacting with left-wing leaders of foreign nations, he's going to treat them as if they're hostile to him because they are.

00:25:26.800 Because they are.

00:25:27.640 Yeah.

00:25:27.900 His job isn't to endear himself to the right-wing people of Canada or England or anywhere else, though he often does that.

00:25:36.040 But that's not, like, his main job, nor should it be.

00:25:38.540 He's not running for president of right-wingers across the world.

00:25:42.360 He's running for the president of the United States and, by extension, as you point out, the empire that it operates.

00:25:49.300 Again, that doesn't mean that he should go out of his way, I think, to hurt right-wing movements in other areas or that he shouldn't try to cultivate positive relationships where he can.

00:26:00.460 But it just seemed there was a large amount of hostility and confusion from people I felt like should understand how that dynamic was going to work.

00:26:08.500 And I was just myself a little confused as to why this was, well, so confusing for them.

00:26:13.780 Yeah, I'm with you on that one as well, especially when it comes to Canada.

00:26:18.000 Like, Trump did not go to Canada during his first term.

00:26:21.320 That was kind of the funny thing.

00:26:23.060 So, I'm like, well, he's already not exactly friendly with Canada as it is.

00:26:26.700 And Canada has not exactly indicted itself more into Trump's book from now since or since then till now.

00:26:33.280 So, why the hell he would suddenly be pro-Canada in any way seems to me quite a foolish concept.

00:26:39.720 So, I'm like, yeah, he was not exactly a fan of them in the first place.

00:26:43.380 And what exactly has changed now?

00:26:44.880 So, why are you surprised?

00:26:47.960 Also, I think it's a bit of a laugh.

00:26:49.520 I never took the, oh, we're going to annex Canada.

00:26:52.160 I'm like, this is just clearly, like, bullshittery that this is, like, this is just funny.

00:26:56.720 Like, he's not actually going to roll steamroll tanks in Canada, you idiots.

00:27:00.020 Like, calm down.

00:27:01.820 Yeah, I am very, you've seen Trump do this a million times, right?

00:27:06.640 Like, he does, he makes big bombastic statements.

00:27:10.120 And then he uses them as, like, bargaining positions to, like, put people off.

00:27:14.560 Right?

00:27:15.440 Like, this is a classic negotiating tactic.

00:27:17.620 And he does it all the time.

00:27:19.140 And he announces, like, he wrote a book about how he does it.

00:27:21.500 But every time he does it, people are still just, like, blown away.

00:27:24.660 Like, even people on the right are like, how could he be doing this?

00:27:27.380 How could he mean this?

00:27:28.080 It's like, well, because he doesn't.

00:27:29.300 Just like he did in the last 15 times he did this.

00:27:31.780 Why are you taking it seriously now?

00:27:33.600 Again, just kind of baffling to me.

00:27:35.820 I don't know.

00:27:37.060 Like, I remember, like, several months ago, when he was asking, or he was asked about the people that he had in his first entourage.

00:27:44.960 And he mentioned John Bolton.

00:27:46.320 And I remember when John Bolton came on board, everyone went, oh, fucking hell, this warmongering psychopath.

00:27:52.620 Why is Trump?

00:27:54.360 And Trump even just said he was great to negotiate with.

00:27:56.720 Because everyone would just see his stupid mustache and think he's going to do some crazy shit and bomb people.

00:28:01.220 So he was just there.

00:28:02.000 He was just there to give the appearance of the madman strategy that Nixon did.

00:28:05.820 He's just the avatar of that dude.

00:28:07.380 So he's basically doing the exact same thing.

00:28:09.800 It's just John Bolton is now sitting on his ass somewhere, still butthurt.

00:28:14.320 Yeah, let's hope that he remains that way.

00:28:17.200 Yeah.

00:28:18.100 So the main...

00:28:20.120 But with a silly mustache.

00:28:21.080 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:22.180 The main topic, there was a, you know, Babylon Bee has had some missteps here or there.

00:28:26.720 But there was a great comic where they had John Bolton showing up in the new, like, T-84 armor from Fallout.

00:28:34.080 You know, like, trying to launch mini nukes at every country.

00:28:37.180 That was a pretty good, pretty good one.

00:28:40.560 But...

00:28:40.800 I wouldn't mistake him.

00:28:41.760 He probably would do something like that as well.

00:28:44.060 No, if he had the option, he most certainly would.

00:28:46.940 Yeah, he would.

00:28:48.560 So the main topic, speaking of video games, that we were supposed to discuss before the Le Pen news broke,

00:28:56.120 was this idea of the woke being put away.

00:28:59.080 Now, obviously, famously, I had this bet with Academic Agent that that bet is over.

00:29:02.780 This is not what the stream is about, but that's the, that is the context in which this was occurring.

00:29:10.200 And, you know, the debate was whether or not the left was going to make a serious change.

00:29:16.060 If they were going to take a serious look at the way that they were approaching ideas ideologically,

00:29:22.160 if they were going to recognize that wokeness is pushing them out of the mainstream

00:29:27.000 and making it difficult for them to operate.

00:29:29.740 And we're trying to see which entities would recognize this.

00:29:32.920 Would they have the level of self-discipline necessary to change course?

00:29:36.880 Or are they so bought in that ultimately they can't really do anything?

00:29:42.160 They can't really shift.

00:29:43.460 Now, obviously, there was always some play in the joints, right?

00:29:46.760 There's always going to be some people that went this way, some people that went that way.

00:29:50.140 It was never going to be no one, not mean, academic agent.

00:29:53.640 No one believes that the elite are just a monolith and they're going to do exactly the same thing

00:29:58.200 at exactly the same time.

00:29:59.800 That said, we've had a very interesting dynamic.

00:30:02.580 I guess we could start in the U.S. here where we see some corporations, for instance, Bud Light,

00:30:09.000 desperately run away from the wokeness that they became famous for.

00:30:12.240 As where other industries, like the video game industry, seem to be doubling down on wokeness

00:30:18.180 in their video games.

00:30:19.420 We've had the Assassin's Creed that's set in Japan where you play a black ninja that runs

00:30:25.660 around murdering Asian people.

00:30:28.200 We had the newest Bioware game, which was as gay as every Bioware game or maybe even more

00:30:33.760 somehow.

00:30:35.200 And same thing with the politicians.

00:30:37.680 We've seen guys like Gavin Newsom trying to make corrections, trying to say,

00:30:42.100 well, I'm putting some of this woke away.

00:30:44.160 I'm rebranding myself.

00:30:45.680 Then we see the rest of the Democratic Party seems to be led by like Jasmine Crockett.

00:30:51.400 You know, this like he's gone mental.

00:30:53.780 Yeah, absolutely over the top.

00:30:55.280 And so what do you think about this?

00:30:56.900 This opposition where like some politicians are trying to put the woke away.

00:31:00.400 Some are doubling down.

00:31:01.920 Some companies are trying to put the woke away.

00:31:04.200 Some are just seem oblivious and continuing to push as hard as possible.

00:31:08.340 What do you think is happening there?

00:31:09.340 Start with Jasmine Crockett because I think she's the funniest one because I made a joke

00:31:15.160 in one of my videos.

00:31:15.900 I just said, I think her behavior is actually authentic.

00:31:19.760 And I know this kind of weird because there was a previous one where she's she looks like

00:31:23.800 to use black vernacular, very whitewashed.

00:31:26.060 She was very prim and proper and spoke like Candace Owens.

00:31:29.280 And then now she sounds like ghetto trash.

00:31:31.500 And in my head, I went, you do realize democracy is supposed to represent the will of the people.

00:31:36.040 What if her people are actually like that?

00:31:39.340 What if that dynamic is actually what sells?

00:31:43.640 Yes.

00:31:44.060 Like if her people are like that, then she is as far as democracy is as theorized,

00:31:50.100 representing the will of the people, then she would be a fake person, but an authentic politician.

00:31:55.600 Well, and we've seen that by that bombastic style.

00:31:58.480 And again, like that running towards the left also be very popular in AOC, right?

00:32:03.260 Casio Cortez.

00:32:04.780 It's not the same, but it's a similar style, right?

00:32:07.420 It's very, very acoustic, very performative, you know, leaning in heavily into the social

00:32:13.720 media use and trying to generate buzz that way.

00:32:17.020 Uh, so this is, this is kind of her own, uh, version of that, but I do feel like it sits

00:32:22.640 in a predefined strategy and that's, and even though we see like a Gavin Newsom who is clearly

00:32:28.480 trying to put the woke away on his end, uh, we, we see that actually it looks like the

00:32:33.380 Crockett's and the AOC's seem to have more momentum when it comes to the actual media,

00:32:39.880 uh, you know, gain, gaining any kind of notoriety.

00:32:43.000 It feels like those are actually what's driving the conversation.

00:32:46.800 Yeah.

00:32:47.200 I would say the reason for them is because they've been doing it for a lot longer.

00:32:50.860 Whereas, uh, Gavin Newsom looks like he looks like the opportunist who is seeing the, the

00:32:57.860 reads and he is now moving, which is the wiser thing to do in the grand scheme of things.

00:33:02.260 If you were to look at the political wins, like in a general election, that would be the

00:33:05.620 wisest thing to do because you would obviously get more people by not being insane.

00:33:08.980 However, if you just look at the left from the perspective of what the left look at,

00:33:13.000 uh, Gavin Newsom looks like a sellout and often, and the, and Crockett and AOC look authentic.

00:33:18.380 They may be authentically insane, but so are their constituents.

00:33:22.120 So just from the perspective of, well, what are there?

00:33:24.840 Cause we, we tend to look at politics as rational things.

00:33:29.160 And some of these political figures are rational because they look at it in the kind of more

00:33:34.140 encompassing perspective of the entire population.

00:33:36.620 Whereas the people who are on the far left, they just, well, they were elected by the far left.

00:33:40.600 So if your majority constituents are far left, you're obviously not going to look at it in

00:33:44.800 the way that someone that has, you know, sort of broad and national appeal is going to look

00:33:49.280 at because they are thinking in a more, uh, larger, uh, pool of voters in that kind of sense.

00:33:55.300 Whereas the more local people are going to go, well, look, all of my people, you know, paint

00:33:58.420 their face green and scream all kinds of crazy shit.

00:34:00.520 So I'm going to appeal to the stuff that appeals to those kinds of people.

00:34:04.360 So I would imagine it's more the, it's more from the perspective of who voted them into

00:34:10.460 power that you sort of look at their behavior.

00:34:13.600 But it is fascinating to look at them in the sense of like, you're going to stay in Congress.

00:34:18.220 And that is as far as you can go.

00:34:19.800 That guy that is good looking, even though he's like spray tanned up his asshole, he's got

00:34:23.600 hair plugs and he's in charge of a terribly failing state.

00:34:28.040 He still has national appeal because that stupid jackass is good looking.

00:34:31.960 And I guarantee you, there'll be a horde of stupid women that are dumb enough to vote on

00:34:34.960 just that fucking reason.

00:34:36.360 If Warren G.

00:34:37.280 Harding got into freaking power on that blitter reason, I don't see why Gavin Newsom wouldn't

00:34:40.580 have a shot for the same damn reason.

00:34:43.160 Yeah.

00:34:43.600 I think the problem that Newsom faces ultimately is that California is such a mess, you know?

00:34:49.400 Yeah.

00:34:51.120 There's just no comparison.

00:34:52.620 Like, even though he is probably the most like gifted natural politician that the left

00:34:58.160 has, right?

00:34:58.780 Like with a level of charisma, good looks, family, you know, that kind of stuff.

00:35:03.260 He's self-aware enough to make the pivot that these other actors won't make.

00:35:07.900 But to your point, you know, the fact that ultimately it feels like AOC and Crockett are

00:35:13.900 more authentic and they're going to have the momentum, they're going to have the movement

00:35:18.100 base that just leads me to believe that ultimately, I mean, maybe Newsom will turn it around.

00:35:23.900 Maybe guys like Newsom will wrestle control of the Democratic Party from these people.

00:35:29.080 But my sense is that really the crazies are more or less running the asylum over there.

00:35:34.640 That, you know, like you said, it may be authentically nuts, but it is authentic.

00:35:39.380 And that's what appeals to their base.

00:35:41.520 And it's not like the left can really steal a lot of voters out of the middle here.

00:35:45.500 Maybe if Trump starts having some kind of disastrous moment, you know, the economy tanks

00:35:50.260 or there's some serious fumble, or maybe he gets us into a war when he promised not to.

00:35:55.280 Like, that's maybe an opportunity where you could see a more moderate Newsom who's who's

00:35:59.760 re-flanked himself being able to grab votes.

00:36:02.640 But in this moment where the vast majority of Americans agree with deportations, agree

00:36:07.240 with adjusting trade regulations, agree with figuring out a lot of these problems that

00:36:12.760 Trump promised to figure out, it doesn't feel like he has a lot of traction to snag people

00:36:18.200 from the middle.

00:36:18.920 And so then the only pull on the left is for the extremists like Crockett, like AOC.

00:36:24.940 Yeah, I would imagine they would, from a purely political sense, I would imagine their only

00:36:30.220 shot of winning is to somehow manufacture more far leftists.

00:36:33.560 And I don't see how the hell they're going to do that in this day and age, because, well,

00:36:37.480 the far left are just hemorrhaging.

00:36:38.800 I mean, even the people that are progressive, like TYT, they are recognizing that they need

00:36:42.520 to pivot.

00:36:42.980 Otherwise, well, they need to get the fuck out of Dodge because there's no energy in the

00:36:46.180 far left in a more sort of, you know, because they think of like, they think of an audience

00:36:53.440 in terms of the entire United States, not just one region.

00:36:56.420 So the people that you see that have a large following, they tend to think like the politicians

00:37:02.260 that look for higher aspirations above like local level is to more audience.

00:37:07.400 You need to start looking towards sanity and not just appealing to a small French minority.

00:37:13.480 It seems to me it's more that is the biggest fraction is the far left is an anchor.

00:37:20.360 And for some people, the anchor kept them in power.

00:37:22.920 And for some people that want to go higher, the anchor is keeping them hamstrung in a position

00:37:28.940 that, you know, it prevents them from further aspirations.

00:37:33.100 What do you think about the pivot or lack thereof from corporations and especially these

00:37:38.740 media entities?

00:37:39.960 Again, we see Bud Light.

00:37:41.180 They got hit very hard because of their insistence on wokeness.

00:37:44.300 So they have been pulling back rapidly.

00:37:46.500 They they actually didn't fund a gay pride parade, which I guess is a huge, a huge victory at this

00:37:52.880 point.

00:37:53.720 But so so you do see some pretty serious pivot in some areas.

00:37:57.560 But then again, like I said, we look at Bioware.

00:38:00.300 We look at Ubisoft.

00:38:02.280 You know, we look at Disney.

00:38:04.160 A lot of these corporations don't seem to be changing course.

00:38:07.520 Even Disney tried to do a little bit of a pivot with this Snow White thing, and it just created

00:38:12.620 this abortion that was sitting exactly in the middle.

00:38:14.940 It was it was too woke for anyone who actually enjoys the original story to go to.

00:38:20.800 But they cut up enough of the wokeness to where the people who would have been invested in

00:38:24.460 that aspect of it didn't go.

00:38:26.200 But they just had a big victory with like the super woke star who is part of Wicked.

00:38:30.380 So it feels like it's all over the place.

00:38:32.620 There are some companies that are trying to appeal very much to the conservative audience,

00:38:38.240 or at least back away from insulting them constantly, as where we have other corporations

00:38:43.120 that are not even pumping the brakes and are completely driving directly into the woke

00:38:47.460 mind, you know, set.

00:38:50.100 Yeah, I'm not actually quite sure what what drives the the gaming one curiosity, because

00:38:55.700 I would sort of look at it also from the perspective of who is who is the audience and who is kind

00:39:02.660 of backing them.

00:39:03.520 Because the thing that I just found most bizarre, if I sort of look at the influences and those

00:39:09.720 who pivot and those who don't, for me, it's a case of the people who are in power, they

00:39:16.980 sort of like I said to you, those are the ones that sort of got the memo and they're like,

00:39:20.700 OK, their investment in power is based on something that is continuously changing.

00:39:26.500 The ideological movements is basically just that's the direction that is currently moving

00:39:32.000 the ship. And so if the winds die down, they will happily shift a different direction because

00:39:35.660 they're just interested in power.

00:39:37.080 They don't have an ideological bend to whatever the hell they believe in.

00:39:39.840 Whereas it seems like some of the people that are outside of power, they just looked

00:39:45.000 at the winds and didn't realize where the wind was coming from and that it can shift.

00:39:49.200 So they were just on board with the direction just as it is.

00:39:52.800 And so now that the wind is shifting, they don't recognize where the hell is the wind is

00:39:56.320 coming from. They didn't get the memo.

00:39:57.840 And so they just look at the other people going, oh, look, they're inauthentic.

00:40:01.700 I'm going to stay with this crazy bullshit.

00:40:04.200 And that's about the only explanation that I have, because for the life of me, I can't

00:40:08.880 look at civilization, what the hell these people are doing and go, if everyone is going in

00:40:13.560 a different direction and you're staying here and everything you believe in is losing

00:40:17.660 power, there is something mentally wrong with you.

00:40:21.560 I can't, I can't wrap my head around any other justification for there's something

00:40:25.800 mentally wrong with you.

00:40:27.500 Because that to me is like a very obvious thing to just see if, if, if, if you're marching

00:40:32.360 towards a cliff and everyone below the cliff is on fire, why are you doing that?

00:40:38.260 This just seems suicidal.

00:40:39.980 It's like, I don't know what to do with that.

00:40:41.580 It just makes me go, okay, these are, this is like the cannon fodder and it's like willing

00:40:46.180 cannon fodder.

00:40:47.040 It's insane.

00:40:47.640 Well, on that note, uh, one of the interesting things about the gaming space, particularly,

00:40:54.600 I mean, uh, every corporation that was trying to fill its DEI quotas did this to some extent,

00:41:00.480 but the gaming, uh, the gaming space, uh, took, uh, the Iranian solution to not having

00:41:06.520 women in their game, game development.

00:41:09.340 They're like, oh, uh, well we don't, you know, we have too many guys, uh, running these.

00:41:14.500 We need the DEI.

00:41:15.420 We need, we need females in here.

00:41:16.840 Well, we can't get any female game designers.

00:41:20.540 So you know what?

00:41:21.540 Let's become females.

00:41:23.120 And so they just, they just transed their development staff.

00:41:26.380 And so that, that's my theory as to why they've stayed so left wing is literally these people

00:41:32.160 mutilated themselves in a lot of cases to become the DEI, you know, golden children so that

00:41:38.880 they could, you know, ascend inside the gaming.

00:41:41.040 And so now they are, you know, pretty pot committed at this point, you know, like once you start

00:41:45.520 lopping stuff off and getting surgeries, uh, walking it back and it's so easy.

00:41:50.100 And so you can't just be like, well, you know, yeah, I, you know, completely surgically mutilated

00:41:55.640 my body and radically celebrate, uh, you know, separated myself from my family and people who

00:42:01.060 care about me.

00:42:01.900 Uh, but we're, we're not doing this thing anymore.

00:42:04.060 So I guess I'll just dial it back out of my video games.

00:42:06.880 Like that, that doesn't really work once you've committed your life to this kind of

00:42:09.920 change.

00:42:10.920 Yeah.

00:42:11.300 I would imagine that once you have taken a scalpel to your genitals, uh, backing away

00:42:14.600 is, uh, it's not exactly a viable solution.

00:42:18.160 It's going to leave some scarring.

00:42:19.600 So yeah, dude, the gaming space is such a freaking mess.

00:42:23.100 Um, because I, I occasionally dabble into it, but I can't do it for long periods of time.

00:42:27.960 And I'm going to throw a lot of people on the bus by saying this.

00:42:30.640 It's just because the space is very boring.

00:42:33.640 There's nothing really new in that sphere.

00:42:37.620 As far as the content goes, it is just the cycle of complaining about the same thing.

00:42:42.440 What's going to be interesting now is let's just say, I imagine a lot of people that are

00:42:46.640 in this sphere, they don't want the woke to go away because it's their cash cow.

00:42:50.900 Sure.

00:42:51.400 Like the idea of, of the game is becoming normal again.

00:42:54.640 It'll be like that bit in South Park where they killed the guy they were playing World

00:42:58.220 of Warcraft with.

00:42:58.740 And we're like, well, now we can just play the game.

00:43:00.640 It'll just be that you would just go like, Hey, look, the games are fun again.

00:43:04.780 And then you will have nothing to complain about.

00:43:07.180 Yeah.

00:43:07.600 Their entire content is going to get dry.

00:43:11.680 Right.

00:43:12.140 Yeah.

00:43:12.340 They've entire channels, you know, multi-million subscriber channels are dedicated to crying

00:43:17.720 about wokeness and video games and movies.

00:43:19.720 So if it's not there, then, you know, they, they lose that.

00:43:22.980 There's a, there's a symbiotic relationship, unfortunately, often with that type of content.

00:43:27.500 And that's always the struggle.

00:43:28.640 You know, this is something I try to be cognizant of as well.

00:43:32.460 You know, yes, we're talking about these things, but I certainly don't want to rely on them.

00:43:38.140 I don't want them to be a center.

00:43:39.320 That's why I try to pivot to, you know, political theory application, these things.

00:43:44.380 So yes, from time to time, we'll have an episode talking about something that's outrageous.

00:43:49.280 Yes.

00:43:49.480 We'll address wokeness in a movie or, or a video game.

00:43:52.340 But if you make that your core content all the time, and like you said, any of this goes

00:43:56.440 away, well, all of a sudden you've lost all that ad revenue.

00:44:00.280 Yeah.

00:44:00.800 That's also the problem.

00:44:01.860 Um, but it's kind of a, it's a bit of a double-edged sword because you kind of need to do a bit

00:44:07.280 of both because the amount of people that are interested in just raw theory is quite

00:44:11.480 limited because it is, unfortunately it does require a higher IQ.

00:44:15.200 I hate to say that, but the reality is not when people are interested in that like higher

00:44:19.600 end kind of content that is the more advanced it is, the less people are interested and the

00:44:24.000 less views you get.

00:44:24.800 And it is also this thing of, well, this took like a lot of effort to make and read through

00:44:28.820 and there's generally some good stuff in here, but the amount of people that will appreciate

00:44:33.140 like the fine art of this is dwindling.

00:44:36.040 Whereas if you just call someone at the Epsilon, that does really, really well because it appeals

00:44:41.000 to more people who understand your base rage.

00:44:43.600 And so you, you kind of need to use the latter to sort of extract some of the former who's,

00:44:50.480 you know, you kind of need to juggle every once in a while because otherwise you'll just

00:44:53.940 go insane.

00:44:54.500 Well, and this is why I've always tried to, you know, I do, you know, do a Simpsons meme

00:45:01.720 then talk about something more complex, right?

00:45:03.960 Like do, do a show about a video game, then do a show about a switch.

00:45:08.260 Exactly.

00:45:08.820 Yeah.

00:45:09.040 But yeah, widen the funnel up with the general discussion and the bring them in.

00:45:12.980 And you know what?

00:45:13.700 At the end of the day, you know, I'm probably never going to be guns and roses, right?

00:45:19.700 Like I'm, I'm never going to, I'm never going to sell out the stadiums, uh, but it's okay

00:45:23.760 to just, you know, uh, be a band that can make a living doing good stuff.

00:45:27.400 Right.

00:45:27.640 That that's ultimately what I hope I'm doing, you know, and, and I think that's a good place

00:45:31.900 to be for anybody.

00:45:32.640 So you can chase the big audiences.

00:45:34.420 You can, you can get into the content mill and the algorithm stuff and you know, no, no

00:45:38.940 hate on anybody who's, who's securing the bag that way.

00:45:41.340 I'm not, I'm not throwing shade.

00:45:43.460 Uh, I'm just saying, you know, they're, they're the good news is that there is enough space,

00:45:47.820 uh, for some of us to exist, to dive a little deeper and, uh, you know, just do what you

00:45:53.560 can to keep the, you know, the people flowing in and viewing that.

00:45:56.560 Uh, but hopefully it gives you an option to, to kind of, uh, cultivate an audience that's

00:46:00.720 a little more interested in, in those deeper dives and those more complicated topics.

00:46:05.680 Yeah.

00:46:06.240 I will say as far as sort of viewing figures on YouTube is concerned, I have noticed the people

00:46:10.740 that are authentic and tend to say some really real shit every once in a while.

00:46:17.480 They tend to not have as high sub count, but their view counts are really punching above

00:46:23.440 their weight because there's a bunch of people that have like over a hundred thousand, 200

00:46:26.600 sub counts.

00:46:27.940 But if I look at their viewing figures, I have like a fifth of their audience and my view

00:46:32.480 count is decimating them.

00:46:34.200 Like I can go toe to toe and maul them.

00:46:36.280 And so it, it makes me feel, you know, and their, their faces are shown.

00:46:41.200 And from what I've been told is look, if you've got faces, you tend to view more.

00:46:44.240 I'm like, I just have a floating avatar with a Bioshock background and I say some mild shit

00:46:48.400 and I get way more views.

00:46:50.100 So I don't really buy this thing of, you need to show your face and it was like, no, you

00:46:53.320 just need to occasionally say some gamer words and say some real shit that is actually

00:46:56.880 true.

00:46:58.200 That's the main thing that people need to do is that being honest goes a long way.

00:47:04.400 I don't know.

00:47:04.920 Spoon, you've got a wonderful shiny surface as a face.

00:47:07.280 I think that's entirely reasonable.

00:47:09.440 Um, I used to, when I was 14 now, not so much, but this is, this is the same thing as,

00:47:14.620 uh, you know, as, as Twitter, you see that you have people with millions of followers, but

00:47:21.080 they get like five likes on their account.

00:47:23.100 And then you have people operating with a couple hundred thousand followers who are

00:47:27.600 constantly having, you know, tweets go viral.

00:47:29.820 It's just the nature of things sometimes.

00:47:32.340 Uh, but, but Barack Obama comes to mind.

00:47:35.080 Yeah.

00:47:35.700 I want to take, uh, yeah, the, the, uh, the Michelle Obama numbers on YouTube were wild,

00:47:39.880 but that's, that's another story.

00:47:41.280 Um, so I, I, I saw, I saw some of the, the, the view count and the likes of Mike, this is

00:47:46.560 Dick.

00:47:47.640 No way.

00:47:48.820 Anyone who's on YouTube for more than like 10 minutes can tell you like that, that,

00:47:53.100 that ratio of likes to view come is artificial as sin.

00:47:57.500 Yeah.

00:47:58.020 It's real, very much so.

00:47:59.280 Yeah.

00:47:59.820 Fingerprints all over it.

00:48:01.160 Uh, so we, we are stacking up a good number of questions from the audience.

00:48:04.960 So I want to ask you one more thing before we pivot over there, uh, on the issue of the

00:48:10.440 woke being put away, we addressed it at kind of the American political level.

00:48:14.260 We addressed it at the American corporate level, but what about the global level?

00:48:19.080 Again, we've seen these big efforts, obviously to stop populous, populous movements.

00:48:24.040 We know that a lot of this is very unpopular, but you know, AFD in Germany, Le Pen in France,

00:48:30.820 Bolsonaro in Brazil, uh, uh, sorry.

00:48:33.300 I always forget the Romanian candidate.

00:48:35.480 Um, uh, you know, Donald Trump in the United States, obviously there's a big push against

00:48:40.280 this.

00:48:40.580 However, there are some countries like the UK where we see them really tripling down on

00:48:45.380 wokeness.

00:48:46.040 It's been recently revealed that one of the, the ways that the courts are now working and

00:48:50.560 again, sorry, I, I, uh, should have had more detail on this.

00:48:54.040 Uh, but the basically there's now a decree from courts where they have to, uh, give a

00:49:00.400 different evaluation to any person of color or woman.

00:49:03.620 So basically anyone, but white men, uh, get a special understanding when they go to court

00:49:08.620 and white men and white men only don't receive that benefit.

00:49:12.340 So they will receive de facto harsher prison sentences, uh, uh, from the courts because of

00:49:19.260 that situation.

00:49:20.160 Uh, that that's a pretty wild way to structure your criminal justice system in a moment where

00:49:26.380 obviously progressivism is becoming less and less tolerated and less and less popular.

00:49:31.460 Uh, is Keir Starmer just insane?

00:49:34.200 Does he know what he's doing?

00:49:35.360 Like what, why is he like tripling down on wokeness in a way that others aren't?

00:49:40.980 Uh, it's Keir Starmer is an interesting case.

00:49:43.640 I do believe he's an actual psychopath.

00:49:46.880 Uh, and I like legitimately, like something I remember watching, um, judge Joe Brown and

00:49:52.520 he was speaking about Kamala Harris and he said the worst people to put in power were former

00:49:57.160 prosecutors.

00:49:58.340 And what was Keir Starmer?

00:50:00.000 Former prosecutor.

00:50:01.280 And he said that just, they're just soulless people.

00:50:03.080 They, they, they just rule like psychopaths.

00:50:06.320 And if you look at them, yeah, they, I remember academic agents said, um, he said that the,

00:50:12.740 the next regime will be really, really boring.

00:50:14.740 And that's the one thing he got wrong.

00:50:16.040 It's like, it's not boring.

00:50:17.020 It's insane.

00:50:17.740 It's in ways that defy logic.

00:50:22.480 Like, I, it is actually like, is he insane or has someone gotten by the knackers or what

00:50:29.560 it is, but the way he behaves is not sane in any capacity.

00:50:35.620 It just makes me wonder, like, there's some serious bullshittery behind him that is propelling

00:50:41.460 him to destroy the nation states at a rate that is alarmingly historical by any president

00:50:48.320 that I, I generally don't know what the hell is going through his head or who he's surrounded

00:50:53.500 by what he's hearing because it seems to be a man operating in a bubble with one goal,

00:50:58.720 which is just the decimation of the nation.

00:51:00.600 And I frankly have no idea why.

00:51:04.420 Yeah.

00:51:04.880 It is wild to see it unfold.

00:51:06.520 Like I said, the moment where, uh, you know, obviously he's increasing the pressure and

00:51:10.820 I think ultimately he came out against this, this, uh, court ruling, this court decision

00:51:15.620 that said something needs to get fixed.

00:51:17.000 But, you know, this is one of many, you know, just many, many examples where, uh, you know,

00:51:21.780 obviously the two, two tier cure has now become a, a slogan around this guy because it's so

00:51:27.560 obvious that British people just don't have justice inside their own, uh, their own country.

00:51:33.240 And that's why they ended up with riots.

00:51:35.120 That's why they have the level of social media crackdowns and free speech crackdowns that

00:51:39.540 they have because Keir Starmer is very obviously destroying his country and attacking the core

00:51:45.820 population of the country without very much hesitancy, without really looking at the

00:51:50.660 consequences of his actions.

00:51:53.100 Yeah.

00:51:53.720 It's, it's actually a lot of people that wonder, I imagine there's probably a few people that

00:51:56.740 want King Charles to actually step in and do something.

00:51:58.560 Cause he, I mean, technically he has the power to dissolve parliament and historically speaking,

00:52:03.400 it's quite common for a Charles to actually do that.

00:52:06.180 The problem is, uh, many people don't trust this King Charles to actually do something

00:52:10.080 constructive, but I'm looking at Keir Starmer, I'm like, how much worse can King Charles

00:52:14.620 really be?

00:52:15.620 I mean, Keir Starmer is really throwing his hands up and like, I'm just going to destroy

00:52:19.880 the United Kingdom.

00:52:20.900 Like why, you know, maybe Prince William might do a better job, but my good God, it's watching

00:52:30.660 the UK is just tragic because it's, it's the United Kingdom and it's, it's been a monarchical

00:52:35.960 sort of empire for like 800 years.

00:52:38.920 And just to see it destroy within a couple of months at a rate that I actually can't

00:52:44.900 fathom with immigration and these laws, I'm like, what is your ultimate goal here?

00:52:50.160 What are you actually trying to achieve?

00:52:52.200 What, what, what exactly do you think the nation is going to look like in your rulership

00:52:55.940 or your own fricking neck is going to look like?

00:52:58.240 Cause I can't imagine you can do this for very long without reality eventually catching

00:53:02.100 up to you in what form that takes, I don't frigging know, but I can't imagine it's going

00:53:07.260 to look very pretty.

00:53:08.060 Like what his party must be thinking of him if they've been paying attention to any freaking

00:53:11.680 polls.

00:53:12.060 I mean, labor is ahead in the polls as far as I'm aware, which is the, I don't even know

00:53:17.200 what the hell to make of that.

00:53:18.400 That is just mind blowing to me.

00:53:21.880 I look at Europe and the UK in particular and I go, what the hell is going on?

00:53:26.020 And why is everyone trying to essentially kill themselves?

00:53:30.500 It's, it's like political suicide and like the crap he's trying to do with, with Ukraine.

00:53:34.660 Like, yeah, we're just going to keep funneling weapons to Ukraine and we're going to increase

00:53:37.660 an arms industry.

00:53:38.460 It's like, dude, you know how long it's going to take you to manufacture those freaking

00:53:41.260 arms with what freaking industry?

00:53:43.000 And no one in your country wants to go and fight for their own freaking nation, let alone

00:53:47.040 a freaking foreign one.

00:53:47.980 Like what world do you live in?

00:53:50.320 It's insane.

00:53:51.960 Yeah.

00:53:52.320 And it really does feel like an extension of the madness, the fact that, you know, you

00:53:55.640 have this dwindling force.

00:53:57.380 People won't join.

00:53:58.880 It's losing relevance.

00:54:00.080 As you say, you don't have the industrial capacity or the funding, you know, to, to really

00:54:04.580 create this kind of scenario where you're going to go to war with a major power, like just

00:54:09.480 makes no sense, but he doesn't care.

00:54:11.060 He has like, you, you know what you have the progressive script and you just run it no

00:54:14.860 matter what, like, even if your country's on fire, you know, everyone's getting stabbed

00:54:20.580 by ninjas in the streets.

00:54:22.240 Uh, you know, you, you're going into wars.

00:54:23.680 You can't get involved in.

00:54:25.960 But I had a bunch of people messaging me going like, is this real?

00:54:30.040 Cause it's, it looks like a meme.

00:54:31.880 Like, yes, we're going to ban ninja swords.

00:54:33.660 Like ninja swords.

00:54:34.480 Yeah.

00:54:35.060 Yeah.

00:54:35.340 I just like, this isn't real.

00:54:36.860 Like, oh, for the Lord of God, it actually is.

00:54:38.480 What the fuck?

00:54:39.280 Yeah.

00:54:39.480 Those are the jokes that American right wingers make about, uh, the English giving up

00:54:43.400 their guns.

00:54:43.920 You know, like that's the expert.

00:54:45.400 You're like, what are you going to have next?

00:54:46.620 Sword control.

00:54:47.420 And then it's like, oh, actually yes, you are.

00:54:49.620 Yeah.

00:54:50.360 It's going to be swords and then peelers and then spoons.

00:54:54.420 And then I can't go to the UK because you're a dangerous weapon.

00:54:59.100 Who knows?

00:54:59.780 A ninja might get ahold of you and then you'll be responsible for their killing spree.

00:55:03.200 You know?

00:55:03.880 Okay.

00:55:04.320 Yeah.

00:55:04.600 As long as I declare myself Islamic, I suppose I'll be fine.

00:55:09.600 How many virgins do you get?

00:55:10.960 If you're the, if you're the instrument of justice, you know, that's the real question.

00:55:15.140 Well, considering how some of them look, I'm hoping none.

00:55:17.160 Um, maybe I'll pass on.

00:55:21.840 Yeah.

00:55:22.380 Yeah.

00:55:22.620 Maybe I'll pass on that.

00:55:23.460 Yeah.

00:55:23.640 Maybe in paradise, I might look better.

00:55:25.160 Who the hell knows?

00:55:26.960 All right, man.

00:55:27.780 Well, uh, sorry that we had some technical difficulties there, but it has been a pleasure

00:55:32.040 to talk to you.

00:55:33.220 Uh, we have a number of questions from the audience before we pivot over there.

00:55:37.080 Can you tell people where to find your channel and any other work you want to point them

00:55:40.700 towards?

00:55:41.980 Uh, yes, I'm, I'm usually on, on Twitter.

00:55:44.300 Twitter is where I get to say more spicy things because, uh, I have some secret powers

00:55:47.960 that a friend of mine gave me.

00:55:49.140 Um, that's, uh, Aris Utensil.

00:55:51.060 That's my, uh, my Twitter handle.

00:55:53.560 You can find that on my YouTube channel as well.

00:55:54.940 The Aristocratic Utensil.

00:55:56.000 And that's the, uh, the main two places that, uh, that I'm mostly active on.

00:56:00.340 I do have a sub stack as well, but I can't even remember what the hell that's called because

00:56:03.880 I haven't been on there in ages.

00:56:05.420 Although I, I still get mail bizarrely about people subscribing to the thing.

00:56:09.320 And I think the last thing I wrote was like 18 months ago, which is insane that people

00:56:13.780 still read it.

00:56:14.560 Must be that good.

00:56:16.700 Uh, yeah, I wish that was the case, but I just think it's more people go like, Ooh,

00:56:19.920 this is unusual.

00:56:20.620 And it's, it's dated now.

00:56:22.800 Although it still holds.

00:56:23.680 If I see a spoon, that's a steam with a steampunk aesthetic and a top hat, you know, I click

00:56:29.380 that, that seems reasonable.

00:56:30.620 There we go.

00:56:31.160 Yeah.

00:56:32.060 All right.

00:56:32.540 Let's go to the questions here.

00:56:33.960 Alexandra says, remember EU wants to die to protect Europe from Putin because Putin

00:56:39.320 will ban opposition, introduce censorship and abolish the will of the people with fake

00:56:43.560 elections.

00:56:45.400 Yeah.

00:56:46.000 That, that seems to be the case.

00:56:47.540 Right.

00:56:47.800 I don't know what, what I imagine if you're Putin and you're looking at Europe, I don't even

00:56:53.560 know what the hell he must be going through his head.

00:56:55.120 Like I've, I've decimated Ukraine and they want to give me a ceasefire.

00:57:00.020 Hey, I remember watching, um, Lavrov with the judge Adrian Napolitano and then Larry Johnson

00:57:05.740 and the judge asked him, uh, what about the ceasefire?

00:57:09.140 Will you do it?

00:57:09.620 And his reply was just, why would we do a ceasefire?

00:57:13.040 I was like, yeah, why would they, they're just decimating Ukraine.

00:57:16.000 No one wants to fund Ukraine because like, it's just a money dump.

00:57:19.540 And it's the, as far as I'm aware, most of the weapons aren't even going to the war.

00:57:23.380 They're being sold in the black market.

00:57:25.040 So it's clearly just a money dump and it's just a waste of taxpayers money.

00:57:27.920 And Russia's taking territory.

00:57:29.440 Then who the hell is the ceasefire benefiting?

00:57:32.140 Sure is earlier than Russia.

00:57:32.960 So why the hell would they agree to it?

00:57:35.040 Yeah.

00:57:35.400 It feels like a lot of people who don't know what their actual negotiating position is

00:57:39.100 making demands of people.

00:57:40.220 They have no real power over.

00:57:42.500 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:43.280 Like Putin's army has been on the march for like, God knows how long.

00:57:45.920 He's actually taken territory.

00:57:46.880 And in the old world, it's like, well, he fought blood and soil style and it used to

00:57:51.760 be part of Russia at some point, at least some of them, I think anyway.

00:57:55.340 So, you know, there's history there.

00:57:57.120 You can sort of understand his perspective.

00:57:58.360 And also America's foreign policy is not exactly one to be trusted.

00:58:03.760 I mean, freaking Henry Kissinger said that to be America's friend is fatal.

00:58:08.000 So, yeah.

00:58:11.120 Yeah.

00:58:11.580 If you're sitting around, if you're sitting around and just waiting for the United States

00:58:15.180 to come in and save Ukraine, when Donald Trump has specifically said he's trying to end

00:58:18.700 the war as fast as possible, I don't, I don't really know what to tell you.

00:58:21.520 Good luck with that.

00:58:23.760 Skeptical Panda says a stream with my favorite Spoon Man as a guest.

00:58:27.820 Nice.

00:58:28.960 Well, thank you very much.

00:58:30.000 Skeptical Panda.

00:58:33.500 Alexander says to add to this picture of misery, Germany just confiscated guns from people

00:58:38.020 solely for being AFD party members.

00:58:40.420 Court affirmed it as legal.

00:58:42.300 Oh, okay.

00:58:42.820 I had not heard about that, but that is why.

00:58:44.560 Yeah, no, that's why.

00:58:45.660 That's, yeah.

00:58:47.300 Bloody hell.

00:58:48.700 I remember in that, in the post that you linked me, someone just said, uh, the France is turning

00:58:53.700 into Nazi Germany.

00:58:55.320 And my mid-reply was, well, first of all, uh, it was Weimar Germany that gave rise to

00:58:59.620 Hitler.

00:59:00.000 It wasn't Nazi Germany.

00:59:01.460 And Nazi Germany was not democratic.

00:59:02.940 It was a dictatorship.

00:59:04.880 Maybe read your history before you say, make statements like that.

00:59:07.740 Because that doesn't even make any sense.

00:59:09.560 Well, I mean, making false statements about World War II and its narrative is kind of

00:59:13.820 It's very popular.

00:59:14.600 Yeah.

00:59:15.460 In fact, if you correct any of those, you'll get in a lot of trouble as my buddy Daryl Cooper

00:59:20.340 learned.

00:59:21.300 Yeah.

00:59:21.700 Yeah.

00:59:21.740 Yeah.

00:59:21.860 I, I've, I've watched his perspective.

00:59:23.480 It's like, maybe the Nazis were, you know, kind of reacting to things the same way that

00:59:28.000 literally any person that goes to war for any reason might do, you know, the same way

00:59:33.160 that if the, if the, if the English people were to revolt against Keir Starmer right now, they're

00:59:36.300 not Nazis trying to overthrow the, the duly elected, uh, Keir Starmer.

00:59:40.140 It's because he's a psychopath or in the fucking nation.

00:59:42.080 And they think that they can save it by taking up arms.

00:59:44.160 That's fairly normal actually.

00:59:46.100 Yeah.

00:59:46.140 But that would be the narrative, right?

00:59:47.520 Is that actually there's a fascist uprising in the UK.

00:59:50.180 So, you know, yes, nothing.

00:59:52.160 Any, any, any leader that people don't like is automatically good.

00:59:56.560 And the people are always fascistic.

00:59:58.480 Like there's no other ideology that is governing people against the head of state that is acting

01:00:03.160 like a jackass in any way.

01:00:04.740 What's the fucking ever.

01:00:05.540 Can we please get a new villain for the love of God?

01:00:08.280 It is very, very boring.

01:00:11.680 Philosophical thirst worm says what's shocking to me is the pragmatic libs don't bend on immigration

01:00:16.640 and just continue their hegemony forever.

01:00:19.020 Unforced error or monomaniacal conviction.

01:00:23.360 Uh, yeah, I mean, I've made this argument that this is a mechanical necessity.

01:00:27.100 Uh, they're, they're ideologically bought in too.

01:00:29.560 Uh, but actually to maintain both the economic and political system, they want to, they actually

01:00:34.640 have to do this.

01:00:35.620 Um, so I think it's a combination of both them being true believers and this actually

01:00:40.460 just being the only way they can operate their political system.

01:00:43.780 Even if it eventually destroys the country, it's one of those things where like, look, the

01:00:48.720 way this virus is designed, it's got to kill a host.

01:00:51.380 It just doesn't have another option.

01:00:53.340 Yeah.

01:00:53.560 They basically have to remain high in order for the system to function.

01:00:56.700 Yep.

01:00:57.720 Yeah.

01:00:57.940 There's a, there's, there's a guy at, uh, at your, um, at your company that my friend

01:01:02.480 Clueless Chris, he wrote about this.

01:01:05.320 Um, and he wrote like a long piece of looking at the sort of immigration waves that America's

01:01:10.040 had during its sort of industrialization period.

01:01:12.360 Um, I think if you're looking up on, on Twitter, it's, it's probably still there because

01:01:16.900 he linked it to me because he, he linked me before he posted it on the blaze and I went

01:01:21.700 like, this is really good stuff.

01:01:22.660 Can I read it to my audience?

01:01:23.620 And he went like, let us get published first.

01:01:25.180 I'm like, okay, fair enough.

01:01:26.000 So, um, go look him up.

01:01:28.680 Yeah.

01:01:29.100 Yeah.

01:01:29.280 He does really, really good stuff.

01:01:30.680 And he's, uh, he's very, very right wing in the, uh, in the old world kind of sense.

01:01:35.000 He's this really in-depth shit.

01:01:37.100 You should have him on your show at some point because he's a intelligent chap.

01:01:40.840 Well, like I said, definitely have to check out that article.

01:01:42.620 See, see where it goes.

01:01:44.280 Yeah.

01:01:45.020 Uh, uh, let's see.

01:01:48.160 Refuglican, I guess is the way to say that the euro, right?

01:01:50.400 Once the empire, but good delusion, you know, um, uh, I know.

01:01:55.940 This is going to make a lot of my European listeners or some, even my European, uh, friends,

01:02:01.240 uh, angry, but I, I gotta say, I, I think that's true.

01:02:05.620 I really do.

01:02:06.780 Like, I think, uh, to some extent, uh, there is a like, well, America got us into this.

01:02:12.700 So America has got to get us out of it.

01:02:14.500 It's their job to come in and kind of fix all these problems.

01:02:17.460 And, you know, my point has always been like, well, I thought you wanted sovereignty.

01:02:20.940 Like, I thought that was the whole point.

01:02:22.720 Uh, but for some of them, it feels like, well, what we really want is Donald Trump to be the

01:02:27.040 one who solves all these problems.

01:02:28.380 And it's like, I think you have to go get your old Donald Trump.

01:02:30.900 Like that's kind of my whole point.

01:02:32.200 It's like, I'm wishing for you the best.

01:02:33.620 Like I'm rooting for you guys, but like, you got to get your own Donald Trump.

01:02:36.560 I don't know if Donald Trump can be your Donald Trump.

01:02:38.860 I wonder what right wingers you've been talking to in the Eurozone.

01:02:41.580 Cause I don't know any right wingers in my sphere that is pro Donald Trump fixing anything.

01:02:46.140 I mean, most of them want America to fuck off.

01:02:50.620 But I think it's, that's his point is like, then when America is like, okay, well, maybe

01:02:53.880 we'll do that.

01:02:54.440 They're like, no, wait, you've got to like, what do you mean?

01:02:57.320 Like, it's gotta be one or the other.

01:02:59.840 Yeah.

01:03:00.160 I imagine it's more of a bailout strategy, but they try and, I think that's probably

01:03:03.580 why they're very pro NATO dissolving because they see NATO as the American tentacles in

01:03:08.840 Europe.

01:03:09.440 Which is entirely fair.

01:03:10.480 I'm also pro NATO dissolving.

01:03:12.380 So is Donald Trump, by the way.

01:03:14.100 So.

01:03:14.400 Yeah.

01:03:15.060 Yeah.

01:03:15.260 Well, yeah.

01:03:15.880 If that's the kind of pro empire piss off move, which would actually, I've seen a lot

01:03:22.560 of people defend NATO on the grounds that Europe will dissolve into war without NATO there.

01:03:30.020 And I'm looking at thinking you have NATO's extension is the reason why we have fucking

01:03:34.640 war now.

01:03:35.280 So I don't see how NATO going away is somehow going to make the situation worse.

01:03:41.220 I mean, the whole point for the war is NATO was expanding too far.

01:03:44.240 So how you settled the square in the peg.

01:03:47.160 Yeah.

01:03:47.280 I don't.

01:03:49.160 Good luck to you.

01:03:50.040 Well, also the prospect of sovereignty comes with the prospect of war.

01:03:54.480 Like, yes, if you have, if you have a non-unified body, more of them will probably come into

01:03:59.180 conflict, but the only other option is to unify the body.

01:04:01.940 So either you conquer the world or there'll be war.

01:04:05.440 Like this, those, those are kind of the trade-off.

01:04:08.240 Right.

01:04:08.580 Like the, the, if you don't want the hegemon, then you're going to have some level of conflict.

01:04:13.700 Like that, that's how that works.

01:04:15.900 Yeah.

01:04:16.300 Like the basic of sovereignty is you have a bunch of things that you are able to do because

01:04:20.300 you are sovereign.

01:04:20.860 One of them is the ability to defend yourself.

01:04:22.920 And if you have the ability to defend yourself, someone might come and try to test that.

01:04:26.000 Right.

01:04:27.080 That's yeah.

01:04:28.100 That's just how that works.

01:04:29.180 I have a grand security system.

01:04:30.660 What's going to happen?

01:04:31.400 Well, someone's going to try to break into my house and therefore I can test the security

01:04:33.960 system.

01:04:34.980 There you go.

01:04:36.560 Yeah.

01:04:36.880 But the one thing I don't want to do is like share my house with everyone in the world

01:04:40.460 because theoretically then no one is actually breaking in.

01:04:43.120 Like that's, that's not the solution to the problem.

01:04:45.820 The problem is not to universalize occupation of my house to the point where technically

01:04:49.760 we're never violating my property rights.

01:04:51.640 So I never defend myself.

01:04:53.000 Like, and that feels like a good point that they're trying to put in there.

01:04:56.780 Yeah.

01:04:58.500 Uh, philosophical thirst one says the Europo right had got handed the destruction of,

01:05:03.400 uh, uh, us aid.

01:05:06.120 Uh, if they can't figure out how to win, then when will they?

01:05:09.780 Well, I mean, again, you hope that the withdrawal of American influence through things like USAID

01:05:15.260 allow for the emergence of more sovereignty, allow for the emergence of more decision-making

01:05:20.140 by those countries, right?

01:05:21.880 Like that, that is the goal.

01:05:23.440 That's the point is, okay.

01:05:24.540 The U S is no longer dedicating, you know, billions and billions and billions of dollars

01:05:29.260 to try to like trans your kids ideologically.

01:05:32.160 You should therefore be able to make more decisions for yourself, right?

01:05:37.380 Like that's, that's the way it should work.

01:05:39.660 And I think many people did see it that way, but there, it does feel like there's an undercurrent

01:05:43.920 of no, that should, what you should have done was go in here and like drive all of that stuff,

01:05:48.820 uh, you know, for us.

01:05:50.160 And it's like, well, no, that the whole point was to withdraw that, right.

01:05:54.320 To withdraw that influence across the board, not to just flip it into, okay, well now we're

01:05:59.000 doing this, but based, I mean, you could have done that.

01:06:01.060 I mean, maybe that will be the, the way forward, but ultimately I thought that's, that is the

01:06:05.920 opposite of what most Europeans wanted.

01:06:07.780 They wanted a less involved America so they could start making their own decisions.

01:06:11.980 Yeah.

01:06:12.420 I would say in, in sort of that perspective, it's, it feels like there's, well, it doesn't

01:06:17.780 feel like there is, there is a massive disconnect between the political class and the people

01:06:21.380 of Europe.

01:06:21.900 And so the way to look at uncle Sam's perspective from the European citizen sense is that they are

01:06:29.180 heavily dependent on American money and they're basically high constantly.

01:06:33.860 They, the way that the Europeans look at their leaders is your uncle Sam's bitch.

01:06:38.540 And they don't mind being on Sam's bitch because they get paid.

01:06:41.120 So they don't mind not having the sovereignty because they're getting slush funds from the

01:06:44.760 Yanks.

01:06:45.300 So the way that European citizens look is that you jackasses are constantly getting high

01:06:49.700 from the American stream.

01:06:50.960 Cut yourselves off because we would rather have sober politicians and the sober politicians

01:06:54.760 like, why the hell would we want to do that?

01:06:56.240 We enjoy getting high.

01:06:59.180 And trying to convince the people that yeah, sobriety is actually better.

01:07:02.720 Your jackasses is, is, is kind of a tough sell because you can't convince junkies to not

01:07:06.780 take drugs.

01:07:07.800 Yep.

01:07:08.420 Nope.

01:07:08.660 That's a very real dynamic, unfortunately.

01:07:11.120 Yeah.

01:07:12.520 Uh, no guard says, uh, game wokeness is driven by true believers, being the people writing

01:07:18.460 the scripts and making the art and sometimes writing the code.

01:07:22.880 I'm sorry.

01:07:23.600 You were saying true women or fake women.

01:07:27.200 I, yeah, yeah, I've, I've, I've, I've said repeatedly in some of my streams.

01:07:31.260 Um, if I was, if I just look at what games used to look like, if you just look at like

01:07:36.360 any games was made during the nineties or whatever, basically when game was like a Zenith

01:07:40.680 period, it's just a bunch of really nerdy dudes.

01:07:43.680 I've said to people, look, you can have one or two women mainly do voiceovers, but if you

01:07:47.360 want to fix the gaming space, just get rid of all of the women.

01:07:50.320 And I can guarantee you the game would instantly be better because there's nothing else pushing

01:07:54.560 that bullshit.

01:07:55.180 It's mainly being pushed by females.

01:07:56.900 That is a real, I've said this and there was mainly women agreeing with me because they

01:08:00.520 also look at me like, yeah, this is just a bunch of toxic bullshit.

01:08:02.660 We don't freaking like like the tomboy variety.

01:08:05.020 Don't like those influences.

01:08:06.480 Like they have male friends because they're more interested in their male friends to have

01:08:10.540 the kind of things that they share interest with.

01:08:12.440 And a whole bunch of people agree that like, yeah, that would really fix a lot of the freaking

01:08:15.820 problems.

01:08:16.140 Cause I, when I look at those old development teams, there's not a single freaking creature

01:08:20.640 of the ovarian variety there.

01:08:22.240 That's just a lot of dudes just doing a whole bunch of nerdy shit as was the case back in

01:08:27.620 the day.

01:08:29.260 And skeptical Panda says, Keir Starmer sounds like a Star Wars villain's name acts like one

01:08:34.780 too.

01:08:35.120 Yes, it does.

01:08:37.280 100%.

01:08:37.840 He doesn't look like Palpatine.

01:08:40.520 Yeah.

01:08:41.120 Yeah.

01:08:41.720 Yeah.

01:08:42.000 Sure.

01:08:42.740 All right, guys.

01:08:43.420 Well, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up again.

01:08:45.320 Spoon, thank you for coming on.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - March 31, 2025

Wokeness Is Dead. Long Live Wokeness ｜ Guest： The Aristocratic Utensil ｜ 3⧸31⧸25

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