The Auron MacIntyre Show - Zelenskyy Unmasked ｜ Guest： Ben Swann

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00:00:30.300 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:32.080 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:33.640 I've got a great stream with a great guest

00:00:35.340 that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:37.740 So I think it's hard for anybody not to notice

00:00:39.960 that the most important thing for both parties

00:00:42.120 in the United States is to send as much money

00:00:44.460 as humanly possible to Ukraine.

00:00:47.420 And I think many people are confused

00:00:49.220 about why this seems to be the top priority

00:00:51.480 of all American politicians,

00:00:53.980 whether they be on the left or the right.

00:00:55.800 And so Ben Swan is with me today.

00:00:57.920 He is the creator of a new documentary

00:01:00.320 about the Ukraine war and Vladimir Zelensky.

00:01:03.700 And I wanted to talk to him about all of this background

00:01:06.540 because I think it's fascinating.

00:01:07.880 I think a lot of people don't understand

00:01:09.220 what's actually happening in that country.

00:01:11.720 Ben, thank you for joining me today.

00:01:13.320 Thanks so much for having me on.

00:01:15.280 Absolutely.

00:01:15.880 So a lot of people, I think, look at this war

00:01:18.580 and they're very confused because, you know,

00:01:21.140 I'm like a lot of, I think, classic American,

00:01:24.020 especially conservatives on the right, we saw Russia

00:01:26.940 and we said, man, that's USSR, right?

00:01:29.720 That's the bad guys.

00:01:30.980 I'm pretty on board with these guys, you know,

00:01:33.500 being the people that we've done battle with

00:01:35.620 for a long time.

00:01:36.600 It's not hard to understand why they might be

00:01:38.880 the belligerents in some kind of conflict.

00:01:41.280 But the longer we go into this,

00:01:43.240 the more it seems like that moral black and white

00:01:46.920 is very confusing.

00:01:48.180 It seems like maybe the story we've been told

00:01:50.480 is not as obvious.

00:01:51.840 And that doesn't mean that Russia isn't doing something bad

00:01:54.300 or that Vladimir Putin isn't a bad guy,

00:01:56.800 but it seems like there are far more interests involved

00:01:59.600 than just the ones that have been described to us

00:02:02.240 by our leaders.

00:02:04.460 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:02:06.640 And look, the reality is this.

00:02:09.160 You are correct when you say,

00:02:11.300 especially as Americans who have grown up

00:02:13.380 kind of post-Cold War,

00:02:15.880 we still have the remnants of that, right?

00:02:18.600 We still view the world through the lens of Rocky IV.

00:02:20.860 Or we're the good guys.

00:02:22.020 And then there's these bad guys

00:02:23.340 who are almost, you know, unbeatable,

00:02:25.620 it seems like.

00:02:26.320 And yet we'll pull it off in the end.

00:02:28.500 And so we have this cosmic battle

00:02:30.760 between Russia and the U.S., East, West.

00:02:34.080 It's a very easy narrative to sell.

00:02:35.840 And I'm with you, right?

00:02:36.620 When the war starts, it's very easy to say,

00:02:38.740 hey, it's very clear, Russia's bad.

00:02:40.300 And Ukraine, they're smaller and they're little

00:02:42.280 and they're being attacked.

00:02:43.240 And so we've got to stand,

00:02:44.240 as we always say, right, with democracy.

00:02:47.000 The problem is the longer you watch what's happening,

00:02:49.240 the more you see that actually Ukraine's not a democracy

00:02:52.460 and whatever they were before Zelensky took power,

00:02:56.180 they've become less and less and less

00:02:58.080 of a democracy during that time.

00:03:00.300 In fact, I would argue that everything we say

00:03:03.540 that we're trying to prevent Vladimir Putin

00:03:06.780 from doing to Ukraine

00:03:08.200 is actually what Vladimir Zelensky is doing to Ukraine.

00:03:12.440 He's the one who's oppressing Ukraine.

00:03:14.280 He's the one who's getting rid of political parties.

00:03:16.380 He's the one who's shutting down the church,

00:03:19.280 arresting leaders of the church,

00:03:21.700 banning media in that country,

00:03:23.660 no freedom of speech, locking up journalists.

00:03:26.120 What's happening there is absolutely wild.

00:03:29.080 And the biggest problem with it is that our media here,

00:03:33.340 politicians, and of course, Hollywood,

00:03:35.680 are all on the same side.

00:03:36.960 Now, listen, you and I are probably gonna share

00:03:38.880 at least in one view throughout this conversation today.

00:03:41.920 Whenever you get politicians,

00:03:43.260 you get big media and you get Hollywood

00:03:46.500 all on the same side,

00:03:48.060 they're probably on the wrong side.

00:03:50.760 Yeah, absolutely.

00:03:51.520 Whenever I see every politician in the United States

00:03:54.100 saying the same thing simultaneously,

00:03:55.580 I really start to worry about what's going on.

00:03:57.980 All right, well, I definitely wanna dive into,

00:03:59.720 especially, I think, the background

00:04:01.120 of what is happening in Ukraine.

00:04:02.920 I think most people don't understand the history

00:04:04.400 and some of the circumstances on the ground

00:04:06.120 that led to this war.

00:04:07.400 And I think once you have that perspective,

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00:05:42.540 All right, Ben.

00:05:43.260 So like I said,

00:05:43.840 I want to go over a little bit

00:05:45.260 of the history here.

00:05:47.020 Everyone remembers, I think,

00:05:48.580 watching that Tucker Carlson interview

00:05:50.120 where Vladimir Putin went on this long diatribe

00:05:53.660 of kind of explaining the history of Russia.

00:05:55.680 A lot of people fell asleep in the middle there.

00:05:57.580 But I do think this is critical,

00:05:59.480 at least to get a little bit of that story,

00:06:01.580 because without that context,

00:06:02.860 it's hard for people to grasp what's going on.

00:06:05.200 Many people look at, you know, nations today

00:06:07.920 and they think, okay, you draw a line on a map

00:06:10.160 and the people inside the map are part of the nation.

00:06:12.580 And that's just how nations work.

00:06:14.340 And that's how they've always worked.

00:06:15.840 But that's actually a relatively new thing for people.

00:06:19.280 And so if you just understand the world this way,

00:06:22.240 then you look at what happened

00:06:23.680 between Ukraine and Russia and you say,

00:06:25.640 oh, well, yeah, Russia just went in there

00:06:27.460 and randomly invaded a sovereign country.

00:06:29.800 And there's just no context to it.

00:06:31.640 But I think if we understand the history leading up to that,

00:06:35.320 it makes a little more sense as why Russia would feel compelled

00:06:38.120 to involve themselves in Ukrainian affairs.

00:06:40.960 Could you give us a little bit of history

00:06:41.940 of what the country looked like before Zelensky came to power?

00:06:46.100 Yeah, absolutely.

00:06:46.840 And I love how you, you know,

00:06:48.340 started here talking about the Putin thing, right?

00:06:50.200 Because, listen, very impressive.

00:06:52.740 I was very impressed by the fact

00:06:53.980 that he was able to rattle off the history that he was.

00:06:56.420 At the same time, you know, again,

00:06:58.260 if you're a Westerner, if you're here in the U.S.,

00:07:00.220 you're like, okay, yeah, right?

00:07:02.680 The crazy thing is this.

00:07:04.620 I didn't know until we started this project

00:07:06.380 that 300 years ago, give or take,

00:07:09.980 that the capital of Russia was Kiev, right?

00:07:13.360 It wasn't even Moscow or St. Petersburg.

00:07:15.720 It was Kiev.

00:07:16.900 The reality is, is that this region of the world,

00:07:21.120 Ukraine, Russia, it's been one region for a long time.

00:07:24.820 And then there's been autonomy and there's, you know,

00:07:27.420 as has been explained, I think, in other interviews,

00:07:30.960 there's been autonomy.

00:07:31.940 There's been times when, you know,

00:07:33.500 the term Ukraine, I guess, doesn't mean a country.

00:07:36.260 It means people who live to the east or whatever,

00:07:38.340 something like that.

00:07:39.340 But here's the history that I think a lot of people don't know.

00:07:42.020 And the reality is, is that under the Soviet Union, right,

00:07:45.960 you had the very blurred lines,

00:07:48.700 not just between Russia and Ukraine,

00:07:50.360 but Georgia and all these different satellite states, right,

00:07:53.920 of the Soviet Union.

00:07:55.320 And when the Soviet Union dissolved around 1990, 1991,

00:07:59.820 we end up in this situation where all of a sudden

00:08:01.820 you do draw lines on a map and say,

00:08:04.160 okay, this is now a new country.

00:08:05.920 Russia is now here.

00:08:07.020 Ukraine is here.

00:08:08.000 Georgia is here.

00:08:09.320 You know, Azerbaijan is here.

00:08:11.660 Armenia is here.

00:08:12.720 You're drawing out all these different,

00:08:14.280 these different spots on the map.

00:08:15.460 But the reality is, is that Ukraine itself is a fairly interesting story

00:08:20.980 because Ukraine is really divided into two parts,

00:08:24.540 Eastern Ukraine and Western Ukraine.

00:08:26.120 And for Americans who don't understand that,

00:08:27.900 I would say think back to after World War II,

00:08:30.880 when you had East Germany and West Germany, right?

00:08:34.060 One was controlled by the West

00:08:35.340 and one was controlled by the Soviet Union.

00:08:37.800 Well, the difference with Ukraine is

00:08:39.900 Western Ukraine are more Ukrainians,

00:08:42.840 but Eastern Ukraine are mostly Russians,

00:08:46.560 meaning Russian-speaking people from birth, right?

00:08:49.480 That's what they are, that language they're taught.

00:08:51.380 Most people in Eastern Ukraine identify as Russians.

00:08:54.800 They fly Russian flags.

00:08:56.980 One thing we did not know until we started this process

00:08:59.520 is that Vladimir Zelensky himself

00:09:01.600 is actually a Russian speaker from birth.

00:09:03.760 He did not speak Ukrainian until he ran for president.

00:09:06.300 He actually took a crash course

00:09:07.380 and learned to speak Ukrainian.

00:09:09.040 He actually was a Russian speaker.

00:09:10.940 And so this is not an unusual thing.

00:09:14.200 The near history tells us something pretty remarkable,

00:09:17.560 which is that back in 2014 or so,

00:09:20.840 Ukraine as this autonomous country,

00:09:22.580 which again is only about 30, 40 years old as a country,

00:09:27.220 is in the midst of having a presidential election.

00:09:31.500 And around 2014, there's a coup after a recent election.

00:09:36.080 And a guy named Viktor Yanukovych

00:09:37.300 becomes president of Ukraine.

00:09:38.580 He had long been kind of vying for this position.

00:09:41.560 The IMF comes in and says,

00:09:43.000 hey, we want to make a bunch of loans to your country

00:09:44.700 and make Ukraine rich.

00:09:45.820 And then Russia comes in and says,

00:09:46.840 wait, wait, before you start taking money from the IMF,

00:09:48.940 before you start taking it from the US,

00:09:50.980 take it from us instead.

00:09:52.380 And Yanukovych preferred to take money from Putin.

00:09:55.220 Well, when that happened, there was a coup.

00:09:57.960 We all know about the coup, right?

00:09:59.460 I hope people know.

00:10:00.660 Maybe Americans don't know.

00:10:01.660 I think a lot of people don't actually, yeah.

00:10:03.120 Yeah, there was a huge coup in 2014.

00:10:04.960 It was run by the same people who helped push the Iraq war.

00:10:08.460 Victoria Nuland, who was the undersecretary of state

00:10:10.340 at the time, goes into Ukraine.

00:10:13.720 And they helped to foam in a coup.

00:10:15.620 It's called a color revolution.

00:10:17.160 And the government is overthrown, right?

00:10:19.140 And these radical groups take over.

00:10:21.060 And the US and the EU install a new president,

00:10:25.660 Petra Poroshenko.

00:10:26.520 And they install this guy.

00:10:27.780 And the problem was that Yanukovych,

00:10:29.700 who gets run out, right,

00:10:31.000 is pushed out of the country,

00:10:32.100 is no longer in power.

00:10:34.400 And the US says, oh, look, it's a fight for democracy.

00:10:37.140 Well, listen, that's not democracy, right?

00:10:39.520 The US going in and overthrowing another country

00:10:41.860 because we don't like who he's going to take money from,

00:10:43.680 the president's going to take money from,

00:10:44.980 is not democracy.

00:10:46.160 But we run him out.

00:10:47.560 He's out of power.

00:10:48.840 And then Ukraine falls apart.

00:10:50.480 It struggles for the next few years.

00:10:52.280 But simultaneously, as it's struggling,

00:10:54.800 there is also a civil war going on.

00:10:56.680 Because in 2014, you might have heard,

00:10:59.120 as a listener, you might have heard

00:11:00.440 about a place called Crimea.

00:11:02.220 It's a peninsula to the east of Ukraine,

00:11:05.100 down around the Black Sea.

00:11:06.760 This peninsula has a referendum in 2014.

00:11:09.960 The people there vote.

00:11:11.140 It's like 88, 89% of the people vote

00:11:13.580 to leave Ukraine and to join Russia.

00:11:16.740 Very controversial.

00:11:17.780 Even today, we hear a lot of politicians say,

00:11:19.800 back when Russia stole or annexed this part of Ukraine.

00:11:22.860 Well, they didn't steal it.

00:11:24.020 The people there voted.

00:11:24.880 Why would they do that?

00:11:25.520 Why would they want to be a part of Russia?

00:11:27.000 Because they were 90% Russian-speaking.

00:11:29.400 They fly Russian flags and they identify as Russians.

00:11:32.280 There's also a region to the east,

00:11:34.240 which people have probably heard some of these terms.

00:11:36.440 It's called the Donbass region,

00:11:37.920 which is in the east of Ukraine,

00:11:39.420 which borders Russia.

00:11:40.640 The vast majority of those people speak Russian,

00:11:43.320 identify as Russians.

00:11:44.700 What Americans have not been told,

00:11:47.340 even though this information has been out there,

00:11:48.840 we have not been,

00:11:49.620 it's not been readily told in our media,

00:11:51.260 is that there has been a civil war going on

00:11:53.380 in that region since 2014.

00:11:55.660 For 10 years now,

00:11:56.620 there's been a civil war in this region.

00:11:58.620 And it's people who are identified as Russians,

00:12:01.780 but they live in Ukraine,

00:12:02.820 who say,

00:12:03.660 we don't want to be a part of Ukraine.

00:12:05.040 And so the Ukrainian military and militia groups

00:12:07.540 have been shelling and bombing

00:12:09.360 that region of Ukraine now for almost 10 years.

00:12:12.540 And thousands of people have died in this civil war.

00:12:14.980 So back in 2019,

00:12:16.460 there's a presidential election that's gearing up,

00:12:20.120 and a candidate comes along

00:12:21.420 who happens also to be a TV star.

00:12:24.260 We've heard that story before, right?

00:12:26.520 A guy who was on TV,

00:12:27.620 and all of a sudden he's never been in office

00:12:28.980 and runs for president and gets elected.

00:12:31.160 Well, it happened in Ukraine.

00:12:32.440 The guy's name was Vladimir Zelensky.

00:12:34.080 He was on a TV show about a guy who was a teacher

00:12:36.700 who accidentally, you know,

00:12:38.580 is caught ranting about government corruption on video.

00:12:41.320 And so he gets elected

00:12:42.580 and becomes president of Ukraine.

00:12:44.740 Well, this actually plays out in real life.

00:12:46.800 In the show,

00:12:47.700 the show is called The Servant of the People.

00:12:49.820 The guy who was the star of the show,

00:12:51.100 Vladimir Zelensky,

00:12:52.400 two years after this show becomes a huge hit,

00:12:54.800 files a political party

00:12:56.740 and creates a political party

00:12:58.040 named after the TV show,

00:12:59.840 The Servant of the People Party.

00:13:01.280 And then The Servant of the People Party candidate,

00:13:03.320 Zelensky,

00:13:04.440 runs for president.

00:13:05.440 And guess what he runs on?

00:13:06.960 He runs as a pro-peace candidate

00:13:08.980 who guarantees he will end the civil war

00:13:11.340 in the Donbass region,

00:13:12.420 and he'll have peace with Russia.

00:13:14.160 And because of that,

00:13:15.800 he receives this landslide victory

00:13:17.660 and becomes president of the country.

00:13:19.220 That's kind of the short history

00:13:20.900 of how we get to Zelensky in power.

00:13:23.600 Yeah, it sounds like a Black Mirror episode

00:13:25.640 where you have this hyper-reality

00:13:27.240 and they plan out his ascension to the presidency

00:13:30.700 by having him play the president beforehand.

00:13:33.160 So everyone's going to prepare for that.

00:13:35.320 But yeah, I think it's really important

00:13:37.040 for people to understand

00:13:37.760 that this war is not isolated.

00:13:39.860 It's actually nested inside

00:13:41.240 of several other conflicts.

00:13:42.960 It's connected to these

00:13:44.080 and it's a result of that.

00:13:45.520 And I think without that understanding,

00:13:47.960 you don't understand the impetus

00:13:49.120 for some of these moves.

00:13:51.440 But I think it's also important

00:13:52.400 for people to understand the tension here.

00:13:55.180 Samuel Huntington in Clash of Civilizations

00:13:57.480 identified Ukraine as a civilizational buffer,

00:14:01.840 a flashpoint that would create the clash

00:14:05.340 between the West and the Russian Empire

00:14:08.700 or what is now functionally the Russian Empire.

00:14:12.220 Because of the tensions you're describing,

00:14:14.260 now Huntington got it wrong.

00:14:15.620 He thought that they would work this out without a war.

00:14:17.760 And obviously that wasn't the case.

00:14:19.960 But these tensions are longstanding.

00:14:21.520 He was writing about them in 1992

00:14:22.940 and they weren't really resolved

00:14:24.640 even up to this point.

00:14:26.200 And I think a lot of people will look at Ukraine

00:14:29.300 and say, well, why wouldn't they want to be part of the IMF?

00:14:31.780 Why wouldn't they want to be part of NATO?

00:14:32.960 Why is it a problem for Russia

00:14:34.700 for them to join these global organizations?

00:14:37.220 I don't understand why they can't make that decision.

00:14:40.080 And I think as people who basically live inside

00:14:43.980 the global American empire,

00:14:45.420 it's hard for us to understand

00:14:47.260 that these organizations are extensions of that.

00:14:50.320 And so another empire, another civilization

00:14:52.920 in this class of civilizations model

00:14:55.420 would see the buffer states joining that

00:14:58.620 as a serious threat to their sovereignty.

00:15:01.260 Oh, 100%.

00:15:02.880 You know, one thing that I thought was very interesting

00:15:04.960 about the Tucker Carlson interview

00:15:06.280 was when Vladimir Putin talked about asking Bill Clinton

00:15:10.940 if Russia could join NATO in the 1990s.

00:15:14.060 I thought that was,

00:15:14.840 of all the things he talked about historically,

00:15:16.620 that was the most interesting thing to me.

00:15:18.540 And the reason that's so interesting

00:15:19.680 is because you have to understand, folks,

00:15:21.900 that NATO as an organization, right,

00:15:25.520 only exists for one purpose,

00:15:27.660 to hold the Soviet Union in check.

00:15:30.360 That was the entire creation of NATO.

00:15:32.320 That was its objective from the very beginning.

00:15:34.320 NATO actually lost its purpose

00:15:36.660 when the Soviet Union fell.

00:15:39.360 When the Cold War came to an end,

00:15:40.700 NATO's entire point of existence

00:15:42.320 was no longer there, right?

00:15:43.840 And so they stumbled around in the dark for a while,

00:15:46.520 trying to figure out what are we gonna do?

00:15:48.140 And they created, you know, the Atlantic Council

00:15:50.260 and they created these different groups

00:15:51.600 that were supposed to be about,

00:15:53.100 well, we're gonna fight cyber terrorism

00:15:55.360 or we're gonna fight against cyber wars, right?

00:15:57.900 They started trying to come up with some other mission.

00:16:00.000 And then they eventually abandoned that

00:16:01.260 to go back to, we need to stop Russia, right?

00:16:03.300 That's how they kind of re-found their purpose.

00:16:06.200 What's fascinating about NATO, though,

00:16:08.000 is that when NATO, excuse me,

00:16:10.260 when the Soviet Union collapsed

00:16:11.600 and NATO no longer had a purpose,

00:16:14.880 one of the promises that was made

00:16:17.440 to Russia at the time

00:16:19.640 for letting go of all these satellite states

00:16:21.940 and all these territories was

00:16:23.160 NATO will no longer move,

00:16:25.580 the quote was,

00:16:27.240 will not move one inch to the east

00:16:29.980 from where it was at the time.

00:16:31.500 Since then, NATO's more than tripled in size, right?

00:16:34.860 It keeps adding countries

00:16:35.940 and those countries it adds are to the east.

00:16:38.260 It keeps adding countries

00:16:39.220 closer and closer and closer to Russia.

00:16:41.740 And the red line for Russia has long been

00:16:44.560 that you cannot make Ukraine a part of NATO.

00:16:49.260 Why?

00:16:49.740 Because Ukraine borders NATO.

00:16:52.240 I'll give you people a geographic example, right?

00:16:55.740 If the Chinese said,

00:16:57.840 we're going to adopt satellite states

00:16:59.640 that are going to join us

00:17:01.060 in any kind of military operation

00:17:03.060 to control and even to hold back the United States.

00:17:07.800 And they were doing this all around the world,

00:17:09.360 picking different countries.

00:17:10.200 They're on the verge of doing it, by the way.

00:17:11.760 But this is what they were doing.

00:17:13.220 And then all of a sudden they said,

00:17:14.520 we found a new country.

00:17:16.180 We want to join our alliance

00:17:17.760 to suppress the United States.

00:17:20.080 It's Mexico.

00:17:22.100 Do you think we'd be okay with that?

00:17:23.320 We'd be okay with them saying,

00:17:24.720 we're going to move missiles

00:17:25.960 and missile defense systems

00:17:27.440 and we're going to move military weapons

00:17:28.980 into Mexico

00:17:29.920 in order to hold back the United States.

00:17:32.020 It's not because we would ever attack

00:17:33.380 the United States.

00:17:34.060 We just want to make sure

00:17:34.800 that the U.S. stays where it's supposed to be

00:17:37.040 and doesn't bother anyone else in the world.

00:17:39.000 Well, I don't think Americans

00:17:40.560 would be okay with that.

00:17:41.460 I think we'd have a huge problem with that.

00:17:43.180 And I don't think we'd allow that to happen.

00:17:44.800 And yet that's exactly

00:17:45.820 what's been happening with Ukraine.

00:17:47.540 Yeah, we don't even need a hypothetical for that.

00:17:49.140 This is the entirety

00:17:49.880 of the Cuban Missile Crisis, right?

00:17:51.220 We almost came to the edge

00:17:53.820 of a nuclear world war

00:17:56.100 for exactly this reason.

00:17:58.540 And NATO's a strange organization, of course,

00:18:00.540 because it's been admitting things like Turkey,

00:18:02.860 which are already kind of at war

00:18:04.180 with other pieces of NATO.

00:18:05.520 It's a very strange alliance,

00:18:08.100 which kind of brings questions

00:18:10.240 about why it continues.

00:18:12.320 And probably one of the reasons

00:18:13.420 that Donald Trump became very unpopular

00:18:15.300 with much of kind of the defense apparatus

00:18:17.860 when he questioned if NATO was still necessary

00:18:20.080 and why aren't these other countries

00:18:22.000 paying their dues?

00:18:22.740 Is this even something we need anymore?

00:18:24.780 Those are questions you're not really supposed to ask,

00:18:26.980 I think, at this point.

00:18:28.140 And I think that brings me to my next question.

00:18:30.660 You know, I remember leftists

00:18:32.720 really liking the Soviet Union.

00:18:34.240 They loved Russia, couldn't get enough of it.

00:18:36.460 You know, at every point,

00:18:38.120 it was America that was the aggressor

00:18:39.700 and ridiculous that we would continue

00:18:42.780 to treat the Soviet Union

00:18:44.180 as this evil empire.

00:18:45.860 You know, the very phrase from Ronald Reagan,

00:18:48.480 the evil empire, was a terrible thing.

00:18:51.740 And today it seems like

00:18:52.840 they're all super on board with this.

00:18:54.640 There's no problem.

00:18:55.920 I mean, even places like the State Department,

00:18:57.920 which is no bastion of right-wing thought,

00:19:00.460 seems to be very motivated to eliminate Russia.

00:19:03.540 So why were all these people

00:19:05.580 who used to be very pro-Russia,

00:19:08.160 or at least very tolerant of Russia,

00:19:10.400 all of a sudden feel this drive

00:19:12.180 to basically wipe it off the map

00:19:14.180 or at the very least pin it into a corner?

00:19:17.480 Well, so I guess where I would approach that

00:19:20.600 is to say that I think there's a misnomer there

00:19:23.060 about what forces are doing this.

00:19:25.560 I don't think it's so much

00:19:27.200 that it's the left that's doing it.

00:19:29.340 I think it's that

00:19:30.380 if you take the political factions

00:19:33.280 that exist in America, right,

00:19:34.660 from MAGA over to, you know,

00:19:38.500 the far left progressives,

00:19:39.860 there's a big space in the middle there

00:19:42.460 of what I would say

00:19:43.500 are establishment neocon,

00:19:46.420 now neoliberals.

00:19:47.840 Neocons have almost gone away.

00:19:49.900 They almost don't exist anymore.

00:19:51.620 What they've done is

00:19:52.300 they've just shifted on that scale

00:19:53.620 and they're now all neoliberals.

00:19:55.140 And so the same people

00:19:56.300 that we might've thought,

00:19:58.100 you know, years ago of being a neocon,

00:20:02.200 a couple of names that would come to mind,

00:20:03.740 John Bolton, right?

00:20:04.860 Is John Bolton really a neocon

00:20:06.180 or is he now a neoliberal?

00:20:07.420 And has he just slid on this scale

00:20:09.340 because all of a sudden

00:20:10.200 the same people who hated John Bolton

00:20:11.920 years ago now praise him?

00:20:14.700 I mean, of all the places

00:20:15.440 he would get praised,

00:20:16.240 places like The View, right?

00:20:17.800 When Sonny Hostin and Whoopi Goldberg

00:20:21.280 are on the side of John Bolton,

00:20:23.020 it makes you wonder,

00:20:24.160 is he influencing them

00:20:25.780 or is he actually

00:20:27.000 just on the sliding scale?

00:20:28.140 And so I think what's actually happened

00:20:29.200 is that these neocons

00:20:30.840 don't exist anymore

00:20:31.860 because essentially what Trump did

00:20:33.900 was he forced them out

00:20:35.480 of the Republican Party

00:20:37.580 and by growing a new form

00:20:40.180 of republicanism,

00:20:41.080 which is what he's done,

00:20:42.200 and bringing in MAGA,

00:20:43.800 MAGA has pushed out neocons.

00:20:45.600 There's no room for neocons

00:20:46.900 in the Republican Party anymore.

00:20:48.340 And so they've all kind of

00:20:49.100 become neoliberals now.

00:20:50.320 They call themselves Republicans,

00:20:51.660 but they're not Republicans.

00:20:53.860 They're liberals

00:20:54.820 and not in the traditional sense either, right?

00:20:57.620 The true sense of a liberal

00:20:59.300 is someone who believes

00:21:00.120 in freedom of speech

00:21:00.840 and allows people

00:21:01.720 to live their lives

00:21:03.060 and civil liberties.

00:21:03.980 They don't believe

00:21:04.400 in that either, right?

00:21:05.240 They're this different

00:21:06.740 kind of form of neoliberalism

00:21:08.740 that believes in the suppression

00:21:10.240 of all thought,

00:21:11.040 suppression of voices,

00:21:12.500 and is in bed with deep state

00:21:15.480 and the military-industrial complex.

00:21:18.520 And so what all these sides do

00:21:19.740 is they all look for common enemies

00:21:21.520 from which to benefit.

00:21:23.940 And so the deep state

00:21:26.180 and especially the military contractors

00:21:28.880 in America,

00:21:29.500 after the Middle East wars

00:21:31.280 had basically run dry

00:21:33.040 and the American public

00:21:33.900 was sick of them,

00:21:34.780 needed a new target

00:21:35.940 and a new place

00:21:36.900 to kind of go in

00:21:38.020 and make more untold fortune.

00:21:42.540 And so they've shifted

00:21:43.220 their attention

00:21:43.700 from the Middle East

00:21:44.520 and from the war on terror,

00:21:46.200 which quite frankly,

00:21:46.960 most Americans are sick

00:21:47.800 and tired of and exhausted from

00:21:49.200 because they didn't,

00:21:50.640 you know,

00:21:50.760 they had a lot of luck

00:21:51.440 in Iraq and in Afghanistan

00:21:53.000 and then they had some in Libya

00:21:54.980 and then less in Syria

00:21:56.880 and it was falling apart.

00:21:58.440 Couldn't get it anymore, right?

00:21:59.500 Because Americans were like,

00:22:00.840 we're done with this.

00:22:01.760 We're done with the forever wars

00:22:03.020 and we're done with paying for wars

00:22:05.200 across the Middle East and Africa.

00:22:07.040 Well, now they created

00:22:07.700 this new big bad boogeyman,

00:22:09.620 which is actually,

00:22:10.280 as we started in the beginning here,

00:22:11.840 the old boogeyman.

00:22:13.780 It's Russia.

00:22:14.540 And so now we're dumping

00:22:15.400 billions upon hundreds

00:22:17.240 of billions of dollars

00:22:18.460 into a war effort

00:22:19.780 that, again,

00:22:21.080 is a new endless war.

00:22:22.580 What's the end game?

00:22:23.780 There is absolutely no end game here.

00:22:26.420 Yeah, I want to get deeper

00:22:27.800 into kind of this unified interest

00:22:30.000 that you're talking about

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00:22:32.640 and seems to move

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00:23:43.760 All right, Ben.

00:23:44.780 So when we look

00:23:45.960 at the conflict,

00:23:47.180 I think you're

00:23:47.760 absolutely right

00:23:48.740 that guys like

00:23:50.040 Bill Crystal

00:23:50.840 and these other people

00:23:52.560 who are classically

00:23:53.740 supposed to be

00:23:54.720 neoconservatives,

00:23:55.980 be part of that

00:23:57.020 foreign policy

00:23:57.640 establishment on the right,

00:23:59.100 very quickly vacated

00:24:00.460 that position

00:24:01.120 and moved to the

00:24:02.420 center-left

00:24:03.280 with no problem.

00:24:04.660 The question I think

00:24:05.840 a lot of people

00:24:06.520 have on their minds

00:24:07.520 is why is foreign war

00:24:09.920 the centrist position

00:24:12.020 in the United States,

00:24:13.020 be it on the right

00:24:14.120 or the left?

00:24:15.500 Why is that?

00:24:16.640 It seems like the one thing

00:24:17.940 that most people

00:24:18.680 don't want

00:24:20.040 and yet it's the one thing

00:24:21.800 that you can just

00:24:23.040 become an ideological

00:24:23.900 chameleon,

00:24:24.700 completely shift

00:24:25.400 all of your priors

00:24:26.640 as long as you continue

00:24:28.140 to hold

00:24:29.220 to this constant idea

00:24:31.080 of invading

00:24:31.980 different parts

00:24:32.760 of the world

00:24:33.160 whenever the last

00:24:34.180 conflict runs out.

00:24:35.140 Well, isn't it so

00:24:37.340 interesting to see

00:24:38.500 how we've moved

00:24:39.540 especially since

00:24:40.460 now you're going back

00:24:41.580 to the hippies

00:24:42.700 and those liberals

00:24:44.020 in the 1960s, right?

00:24:46.060 50s, 60s, 70s

00:24:47.200 you had a very different

00:24:48.060 group of liberals

00:24:48.840 who were anti-war

00:24:49.820 everything, right?

00:24:51.000 And then you had

00:24:51.960 the more conservatives

00:24:53.060 were pro-military

00:24:54.860 and pro-war.

00:24:56.680 Then all of a sudden

00:24:57.560 we get to somewhere

00:24:58.200 around 20 years ago

00:24:59.200 and now you're not allowed

00:24:59.860 to be anti-war

00:25:00.600 no matter what.

00:25:01.680 But how does that happen?

00:25:02.960 What happens

00:25:03.540 when you force through

00:25:05.600 your control of media

00:25:07.260 your control of news

00:25:08.920 and journalism

00:25:09.620 so that no one's allowed

00:25:11.200 to question anything?

00:25:13.220 As an example

00:25:14.180 who would you say

00:25:15.540 is the last journalist

00:25:17.180 who's really become famous

00:25:19.740 for challenging war?

00:25:22.500 Now I...

00:25:23.080 Glenn Greenwald maybe?

00:25:25.180 Glenn Greenwald?

00:25:25.900 Okay, yeah.

00:25:26.780 But I would argue

00:25:27.620 that Greenwald

00:25:29.540 followed somebody else

00:25:30.980 named Julian Assange

00:25:32.160 who was the real journalist

00:25:34.500 who challenged war

00:25:36.500 and actually brought down

00:25:38.440 in many ways

00:25:39.300 the Iraq War

00:25:40.160 and began the kind of descent

00:25:42.880 of the Afghanistan War

00:25:44.000 through what WikiLeaks published.

00:25:45.420 Now that's controversial

00:25:46.140 because there are a lot

00:25:47.000 of folks out there

00:25:47.540 who would say

00:25:47.900 well he's not a journalist.

00:25:48.980 I believe he absolutely

00:25:50.120 is a journalist

00:25:50.760 but I also believe

00:25:52.100 that more importantly

00:25:53.760 than being a journalist

00:25:54.680 is that Assange

00:25:55.720 was willing to challenge

00:25:57.060 the powerful

00:25:58.220 in a way that

00:25:59.360 corporate media

00:26:00.300 just won't

00:26:01.240 they won't do it

00:26:02.240 and so when corporate media

00:26:03.680 becomes bought and paid for

00:26:04.800 by the very people

00:26:05.520 they should be challenging

00:26:06.740 there is no one to challenge it

00:26:08.640 and so how does it become

00:26:10.120 the mainstream position

00:26:11.280 to your question?

00:26:12.920 How does it become

00:26:13.360 the mainstream position

00:26:14.260 to be for foreign interventions

00:26:16.420 everywhere?

00:26:17.560 For endless wars

00:26:18.940 everywhere?

00:26:20.120 For...

00:26:20.800 Listen, I've seen articles

00:26:22.220 in the last year

00:26:23.240 that talk about

00:26:24.600 the benefit

00:26:25.180 of a small controlled

00:26:26.900 nuclear war

00:26:27.640 it would be good

00:26:28.220 for the climate

00:26:28.720 it could help

00:26:29.200 with climate change

00:26:29.860 it's like

00:26:30.300 are these people serious?

00:26:32.420 Who would write that?

00:26:33.340 Who would...

00:26:33.660 First of all

00:26:34.060 what's a small nuclear war?

00:26:36.040 As if you can control that

00:26:37.540 as if you have the ability

00:26:39.040 to determine

00:26:39.880 the size of the nuclear weapons

00:26:41.720 that are used

00:26:42.200 and who gets involved

00:26:43.080 nuclear war

00:26:44.340 is the end of humanity

00:26:45.420 that's what it is

00:26:46.660 if we have a

00:26:47.840 you know

00:26:48.720 mutual destruction

00:26:49.780 is supposed to be

00:26:51.820 the deterrent

00:26:52.580 to nuclear war

00:26:53.680 so the idea

00:26:54.300 that you can even

00:26:54.800 play around

00:26:55.280 with terminology

00:26:55.760 like that

00:26:56.440 who in the CIA

00:26:57.860 is sitting there

00:26:58.560 writing these articles

00:26:59.460 on behalf of

00:27:00.560 the New York Times

00:27:01.280 or on behalf

00:27:02.040 of the Washington Post

00:27:02.920 so I think that's

00:27:04.040 where we've seen

00:27:05.360 something really

00:27:06.500 incredible happen

00:27:07.180 I would argue

00:27:08.180 that about 20 years ago

00:27:10.440 we hope you're enjoying

00:27:12.120 your Air Canada flight

00:27:13.240 Rocky's vacation

00:27:14.420 here we come

00:27:15.600 whoa

00:27:16.600 is this economy?

00:27:18.320 free beer

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00:27:19.320 and snacks

00:27:20.240 sweet

00:27:21.320 fast free wifi

00:27:22.700 means I can make

00:27:23.480 dinner reservations

00:27:24.240 before we land

00:27:25.460 and with live TV

00:27:26.940 I'm not missing the game

00:27:28.480 it's kind of like

00:27:29.680 I'm already on vacation

00:27:31.380 nice

00:27:32.820 on behalf of Air Canada

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00:27:35.780 wifi available

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00:27:39.040 conditions apply

00:27:39.720 see your Canada.com

00:27:40.880 there was a

00:27:42.400 a

00:27:42.960 process that began

00:27:44.920 within

00:27:45.820 corporate media

00:27:47.140 whether it be

00:27:48.540 cable news

00:27:49.420 broadcast

00:27:50.420 networks

00:27:51.340 newspapers

00:27:52.240 where

00:27:53.420 the military

00:27:54.420 and deep state

00:27:55.880 not actors

00:27:57.040 you'll hear people

00:27:57.940 talk about like

00:27:58.540 oh the

00:27:59.180 you know

00:27:59.440 the CIA

00:27:59.960 back in the 70s

00:28:01.100 through Operation Mockingbird

00:28:02.400 they would plant

00:28:03.040 people in newsrooms

00:28:04.020 okay

00:28:04.280 I believe that's true

00:28:05.200 that's declassified documents

00:28:06.280 that prove that that's true

00:28:07.520 they don't do that anymore

00:28:09.100 the person

00:28:10.220 from the CIA

00:28:11.060 shows up on CNN

00:28:12.280 and they put a banner across

00:28:13.720 that says

00:28:14.720 Joe Schmo

00:28:15.660 CIA analyst

00:28:16.860 or working with the CIA

00:28:18.320 and he sits

00:28:18.980 and he tells you

00:28:19.800 the CIA's position

00:28:21.100 on this war

00:28:22.220 or on this conflict

00:28:23.180 and

00:28:23.720 and we have become

00:28:24.620 so used to this

00:28:26.200 that Americans

00:28:27.040 will sit and listen

00:28:27.740 and be like

00:28:28.120 oh yeah

00:28:28.800 good point

00:28:29.860 CIA guy

00:28:30.680 whose

00:28:31.160 entire

00:28:32.160 agency's

00:28:32.940 business

00:28:33.640 is to go

00:28:34.440 around the world

00:28:35.140 to sow discord

00:28:36.320 and to overthrow

00:28:36.940 governments

00:28:37.480 but we forget that

00:28:38.420 we act as if

00:28:39.260 and I think

00:28:39.980 there's also

00:28:40.700 it sounds a little

00:28:41.400 conspiratorial

00:28:41.940 but I think

00:28:42.280 there's a

00:28:42.740 purposeful

00:28:44.980 effort that's been

00:28:46.680 made in Hollywood

00:28:47.440 to sanitize

00:28:49.460 that idea

00:28:50.080 and to convince

00:28:50.960 Americans

00:28:51.380 that this is just

00:28:52.120 normal stuff

00:28:53.000 this is just

00:28:53.520 what we do

00:28:54.020 and this is actually

00:28:54.660 a patriotic act

00:28:55.760 what they don't

00:28:56.760 ever talk about

00:28:57.360 when you watch

00:28:57.880 shows like

00:28:58.320 Jack Ryan

00:28:59.020 or you watch

00:28:59.660 movies about this

00:29:00.460 stuff

00:29:00.660 is they never

00:29:01.260 show you

00:29:01.600 what blowback

00:29:02.220 is

00:29:02.560 right

00:29:03.000 every time

00:29:03.480 the CIA

00:29:03.880 goes in

00:29:04.380 and tries

00:29:04.980 to overthrow

00:29:05.500 a government

00:29:06.020 or leads

00:29:07.260 to a revolution

00:29:07.980 someplace

00:29:08.580 that the

00:29:09.500 consequence

00:29:10.380 of those

00:29:11.500 decisions

00:29:11.940 you look

00:29:12.300 at a place

00:29:12.660 like Libya

00:29:13.200 where we

00:29:13.580 went and

00:29:13.920 we overthrew

00:29:14.420 Gaddafi

00:29:14.880 for a whole

00:29:15.820 gamut

00:29:16.600 of reasons

00:29:17.200 and we say

00:29:18.100 oh look

00:29:18.480 we made the

00:29:18.940 world a better

00:29:19.400 place

00:29:19.820 and yet

00:29:20.180 today

00:29:20.800 today

00:29:21.340 in Libya

00:29:22.100 you can

00:29:22.800 buy human

00:29:23.500 beings

00:29:23.900 in open

00:29:24.760 air

00:29:24.980 slave markets

00:29:25.940 that is

00:29:26.940 the new

00:29:27.500 Libya

00:29:27.860 that was

00:29:28.260 created

00:29:28.640 as the

00:29:29.060 result

00:29:29.580 of our

00:29:29.980 great

00:29:30.260 democratic

00:29:30.800 interference

00:29:31.720 in that

00:29:32.040 country

00:29:32.360 yeah it's

00:29:33.540 interesting

00:29:33.820 you know

00:29:34.060 I'm not

00:29:34.540 constitutionally

00:29:35.360 against war

00:29:36.380 I think

00:29:36.980 war is part

00:29:37.560 of human

00:29:37.920 nature

00:29:38.300 and it's

00:29:38.840 an unavoidable

00:29:39.620 reality

00:29:40.260 pretending

00:29:40.620 that we

00:29:41.000 can never

00:29:41.380 be truly

00:29:42.160 anti-war

00:29:42.960 is kind

00:29:43.560 of a foolish

00:29:44.040 perspective

00:29:44.600 but I do

00:29:45.400 think there's

00:29:45.720 a consequence

00:29:46.220 for operating

00:29:47.140 a global

00:29:47.720 empire

00:29:48.120 for profit

00:29:48.800 and it's

00:29:49.580 pretty clear

00:29:50.140 that that's

00:29:50.840 kind of

00:29:51.200 what's been

00:29:51.600 happening

00:29:52.120 here at

00:29:52.680 this point

00:29:53.360 you know

00:29:53.900 the yellow

00:29:54.480 journalism

00:29:55.000 getting us

00:29:55.440 into the war

00:29:55.900 is nothing

00:29:56.340 new

00:29:56.960 that the

00:29:57.680 hearse are

00:29:58.160 pretty good

00:29:58.740 at that

00:29:59.080 but you know

00:29:59.980 this is

00:30:00.680 something that

00:30:01.360 has become

00:30:01.660 a machine

00:30:02.200 that just

00:30:02.700 seems

00:30:02.980 unstoppable

00:30:03.580 at this

00:30:04.620 point

00:30:04.840 now one

00:30:05.480 of the

00:30:05.660 things I

00:30:05.900 was trying

00:30:06.240 to try

00:30:07.220 to get

00:30:07.540 into a

00:30:08.060 little earlier

00:30:08.500 was why

00:30:09.480 Ukraine

00:30:09.900 in particular

00:30:10.520 because you

00:30:11.100 know you

00:30:11.280 said oh

00:30:11.720 well these

00:30:12.100 other wars

00:30:12.920 wrap themselves

00:30:13.920 up we

00:30:14.620 can't find

00:30:15.580 a new

00:30:15.940 reason to

00:30:16.420 stay in

00:30:16.980 Afghanistan

00:30:17.440 or whatever

00:30:18.020 and so

00:30:18.560 you know we

00:30:19.100 needed another

00:30:19.600 place to go

00:30:20.120 ahead and

00:30:20.400 funnel military

00:30:22.080 dollars but

00:30:23.220 is there more

00:30:23.920 to that is

00:30:24.780 there something

00:30:25.200 particular

00:30:25.780 about the

00:30:26.300 culture or

00:30:27.140 or you know

00:30:27.720 the way that

00:30:28.680 Ukraine is

00:30:29.340 structured the

00:30:30.280 corruption there

00:30:31.260 that allows

00:30:32.160 you know

00:30:33.060 United States

00:30:33.720 companies or

00:30:34.600 officials to go

00:30:35.620 ahead and profit

00:30:36.320 uniquely from

00:30:37.100 Ukraine

00:30:37.460 well there is

00:30:39.060 actually so

00:30:40.380 there's a couple

00:30:40.800 of things

00:30:41.180 number one

00:30:42.020 Ukraine and

00:30:43.380 again anybody

00:30:44.640 who says

00:30:45.520 before this war

00:30:46.400 I couldn't have

00:30:47.000 found Ukraine on

00:30:47.760 a map well

00:30:48.180 that's probably

00:30:48.640 true of most

00:30:49.680 Americans they

00:30:50.220 didn't even know

00:30:50.640 where it was

00:30:51.220 and at the

00:30:52.420 same time they

00:30:53.040 know almost

00:30:53.560 nothing about

00:30:54.280 it and what

00:30:54.940 most of them

00:30:55.860 would have no

00:30:56.660 idea about is

00:30:57.760 that Ukraine

00:30:58.420 itself was

00:31:00.400 historically in

00:31:02.040 the last 40

00:31:02.660 years and

00:31:03.500 infamously if

00:31:05.620 not the most

00:31:06.600 one of the

00:31:07.320 most corrupt

00:31:08.080 countries on

00:31:09.140 the planet

00:31:09.540 that's not my

00:31:10.440 my view of

00:31:11.320 it that's the

00:31:11.800 United Nations

00:31:12.460 view of it

00:31:12.960 that's multiple

00:31:13.920 reports that have

00:31:14.680 come out that

00:31:15.100 say look at the

00:31:15.680 level of corruption

00:31:16.540 in this country

00:31:17.240 it's run by

00:31:18.180 oligarchs it

00:31:19.300 was handed over

00:31:20.080 and basically

00:31:20.860 auctioned off to

00:31:21.740 the highest bidder

00:31:22.560 it is essentially

00:31:24.280 run by gangsters

00:31:25.480 now more

00:31:27.520 recently we have

00:31:28.900 within the United

00:31:29.580 States a whole lot

00:31:30.820 of political

00:31:31.260 players who have

00:31:32.500 managed to get

00:31:33.260 themselves involved

00:31:34.040 in Ukraine and

00:31:34.720 that's pretty well

00:31:35.440 documented at this

00:31:36.300 point we know the

00:31:37.140 Biden family is

00:31:37.920 very entrenched in

00:31:39.000 Ukraine we know

00:31:39.920 Hunter Biden and

00:31:40.740 his role in

00:31:41.540 Burisma who was

00:31:42.660 being paid almost

00:31:43.440 a million dollars a

00:31:44.360 year to sit on a

00:31:45.440 board for an energy

00:31:46.280 company and he knew

00:31:46.980 nothing about

00:31:47.460 energy a lot of

00:31:49.280 people don't know

00:31:49.860 we go into this in

00:31:50.640 the docuseries Hunter

00:31:51.680 Biden also invested

00:31:54.500 heavily into a company

00:31:55.540 called Metabiota that

00:31:57.440 ran biolabs in Ukraine

00:31:59.480 and got Pentagon

00:32:00.400 funding to run biolabs

00:32:01.900 in Ukraine so it's

00:32:02.940 not just one place or

00:32:04.160 two places or three

00:32:05.000 places where the

00:32:05.920 Biden family has has

00:32:07.380 business interests in

00:32:08.900 Ukraine also why it's

00:32:10.680 so interesting to me

00:32:11.900 that you know I feel

00:32:13.260 like with Trump one of

00:32:14.500 the things that has

00:32:15.340 happened with him is

00:32:16.680 that Trump will

00:32:17.220 stumble onto

00:32:17.880 something not not

00:32:19.060 knowingly I don't

00:32:19.820 think he he he knows

00:32:21.380 some of this stuff I

00:32:22.400 think he just goes in he

00:32:23.240 has no idea how bad it

00:32:25.240 is and he he kicks a

00:32:26.920 hornet's nest and then

00:32:27.740 all of a sudden they're

00:32:28.600 all out in the air and

00:32:29.420 it's like where did this

00:32:29.940 thing come from

00:32:30.460 remember of Trump's

00:32:31.860 famous phone call to

00:32:33.200 the to the president of

00:32:34.720 Ukraine and it was so

00:32:35.540 controversial and why

00:32:36.880 was he calling him he

00:32:37.700 was trying to get dirt on

00:32:38.700 the Bidens and and it

00:32:39.740 became it became the

00:32:40.740 subject of an

00:32:41.260 impeachment hearing right

00:32:42.560 it becomes such a huge

00:32:44.240 deal and you say how

00:32:45.040 did this become this

00:32:46.400 big deal well when you

00:32:47.620 start to dig into

00:32:48.300 Ukraine you find out

00:32:49.240 Trump stumbled over

00:32:50.740 that's nest that was

00:32:52.300 full of corruption it

00:32:53.440 was full of these these

00:32:54.700 backdoor deals and

00:32:56.540 hundreds of millions of

00:32:57.780 dollars swirling

00:32:58.520 around also that's that's

00:33:02.100 the past but once you

00:33:02.980 get into the war it's

00:33:03.740 not just the military and

00:33:05.080 so one thing we show

00:33:06.160 throughout this series

00:33:06.900 it's 12 parts long each

00:33:09.160 part of this docuseries is

00:33:10.400 looking at a different

00:33:11.060 area but one thing

00:33:12.300 you're going to find as

00:33:13.000 you as you follow this

00:33:14.080 with us is that Ukraine

00:33:16.540 is being handed over

00:33:17.880 right it's it's not just

00:33:20.020 about the war it's the

00:33:21.220 rebuilding effort

00:33:22.080 afterwards it's the

00:33:23.060 massive global funds

00:33:25.120 that are being set up to

00:33:26.280 administer hundreds of

00:33:29.160 billions of dollars going

00:33:30.820 back into Ukraine and the

00:33:32.260 control of that before this

00:33:34.880 war started the country in

00:33:36.580 the world that had the most

00:33:37.740 IMF debt by far was

00:33:39.900 Argentina it's why

00:33:40.960 Argentina has the

00:33:42.480 president they have now

00:33:43.460 it's why Argentina is so

00:33:45.320 famously destroyed as an

00:33:47.800 economy and the people are

00:33:48.780 in such bad financial

00:33:49.760 shape because they are

00:33:51.140 owned by the IMF the

00:33:53.740 natural resources of

00:33:54.740 Argentina the labor of

00:33:56.100 the people the taxation

00:33:57.180 situation it's horrific

00:33:58.660 it's all because the IMF

00:34:00.160 owns them well now by a

00:34:02.420 long margin when this war

00:34:03.900 comes to an end it will be

00:34:05.000 Ukraine not not Argentina

00:34:07.340 that is owned by the IMF and

00:34:09.100 so most of the money

00:34:10.440 that's going to Ukraine

00:34:11.340 when it was first going we

00:34:12.620 were being told oh look

00:34:13.540 there are low there's money

00:34:15.180 being given from all over

00:34:16.640 the world and and European

00:34:18.300 countries that are helping

00:34:19.200 the US is helping but then

00:34:21.380 you know what we're now

00:34:22.340 finding is that a lot of

00:34:23.340 this money is no longer a

00:34:24.740 gift it's no longer aid it's

00:34:26.780 a loan and so instead it's

00:34:28.600 all being restructured into

00:34:29.720 loans that now the the nation

00:34:31.340 of Ukraine and the people of

00:34:32.880 Ukraine will owe for

00:34:34.960 generations they will owe

00:34:36.700 billions upon possibly by

00:34:38.760 the time this is all done

00:34:39.800 trillions of dollars that

00:34:41.500 has to be repaid over

00:34:42.660 lifetimes not one

00:34:44.200 generation two generations

00:34:45.300 but multiple generations and

00:34:47.220 in and I would say that that

00:34:48.740 this might sound

00:34:49.340 controversial to you but I

00:34:50.920 would say that in fact if

00:34:53.340 you really want to look at

00:34:54.280 who's at war with Ukraine and

00:34:55.940 who just conquered Ukraine

00:34:57.500 it's multinational

00:34:58.680 corporations it's not Russia

00:35:00.420 the real winner the real

00:35:03.780 entity that has won a war

00:35:05.540 without firing a bullet at

00:35:07.020 the people of Ukraine are

00:35:08.900 multinational corporations

00:35:10.120 that now own that country

00:35:11.760 and will own it into the

00:35:13.840 foreseeable future yeah this

00:35:15.920 is really nothing new for

00:35:16.960 people who are familiar with

00:35:18.680 you know the reconstruction of

00:35:20.520 the American South and

00:35:21.480 Westward expansion this is how

00:35:22.820 the Vanderbilts and the

00:35:23.900 Carnegie's and the Rockefellers

00:35:25.180 built their fortunes those

00:35:26.660 fortunes didn't just

00:35:27.360 materialize out of thin air

00:35:29.080 they were built on the backs

00:35:30.600 of war reconstruction

00:35:31.680 expansion you know funded by

00:35:33.660 the government and I would

00:35:35.300 agree that to some extent

00:35:36.720 this is multinational

00:35:37.640 corporations but I would say

00:35:38.780 there's actually a wider

00:35:39.820 there's there's a wider

00:35:41.760 conflict here that there's a

00:35:44.060 a bigger network at play

00:35:45.660 one of the reasons it's so

00:35:47.100 important to fell I think

00:35:48.440 Putin who again I'm not a

00:35:50.900 fan of this is not me

00:35:52.080 chilling for him he's a

00:35:53.860 terrible person I'm sure but

00:35:55.500 one of the reasons it's so

00:35:57.200 important that this guy gets

00:35:58.880 bounced out is that he

00:36:00.720 presents a possibility for

00:36:02.680 a multipolar world there

00:36:03.880 these all of these

00:36:04.780 organizations that you're

00:36:06.120 talking about are designed

00:36:07.760 to go ahead and knit our

00:36:09.280 Western ruling managerial

00:36:11.200 elite class into one unified

00:36:13.100 structure that can profit

00:36:14.460 from this kind of thing they

00:36:15.780 isolate a country like this

00:36:17.540 they milk it for all it's

00:36:18.980 worth they do you know they

00:36:20.100 distribute the spoils and

00:36:21.480 this keeps them in charge and

00:36:23.100 that's why they talk about how

00:36:24.300 we have to fight for

00:36:25.100 democracy because democracy is

00:36:26.620 just a stand-in word as it

00:36:28.240 always is by the way for

00:36:30.260 oligarchy and what they're

00:36:31.720 saying is that this we need

00:36:33.120 this this country is part of

00:36:35.080 the oligarchic network so we

00:36:36.620 need to make sure that it

00:36:37.600 stays part of the oligarchy

00:36:38.500 network the actual freedoms

00:36:40.580 involved with religion or

00:36:42.300 voting or something are

00:36:43.080 immaterial because when people

00:36:45.280 talk about democracy in the

00:36:46.500 United States or in Ukraine

00:36:48.420 they're talking about

00:36:49.320 maintaining the oligarchy and

00:36:50.740 the network that that runs

00:36:52.020 across many Western nations and

00:36:54.000 so I was wondering if you

00:36:55.080 talk about some of the the

00:36:56.860 things that most people would

00:36:57.700 probably associate

00:36:58.760 classically with democracy

00:37:00.560 that have been stripped out

00:37:01.860 by you know by Ukraine

00:37:04.500 during this conflict yeah

00:37:06.100 absolutely yeah and that's and

00:37:07.800 that's what a great

00:37:08.820 summation that was so a

00:37:10.500 couple things one is

00:37:11.380 absolutely freedom of

00:37:12.840 religion which I think

00:37:13.900 might be the most surprising

00:37:15.100 to most Americans right

00:37:16.680 because we hold in our

00:37:18.220 country freedom of religion

00:37:19.800 is such a high priority in

00:37:22.940 terms of determining whether or

00:37:24.680 not a nation actually has

00:37:26.200 freedom or not what's

00:37:27.420 happened in Ukraine or

00:37:28.500 dozens of priests have been

00:37:29.780 arrested the excuse me

00:37:32.000 Ukrainian Orthodox Church

00:37:33.820 almost called it Greek

00:37:34.720 Ukrainian Orthodox Church has

00:37:36.560 been shut down effectively

00:37:37.760 it's allowed to operate only so

00:37:40.460 long as they don't say

00:37:42.920 anything from from the pulpit

00:37:44.620 that is deemed to be

00:37:45.920 sympathetic to Russia well what

00:37:48.000 does that include and and the

00:37:50.060 the priests including the head

00:37:51.840 of the church who we interviewed

00:37:53.360 in this series by the way two

00:37:54.620 days before he was arrested by

00:37:56.300 Zelensky's forces they're not

00:38:00.080 allowed to to speak out in ways

00:38:02.600 that are supposed to represent

00:38:03.820 you know anything that supports

00:38:05.720 Russia well they don't support

00:38:07.480 Russia in fact the Ukrainian

00:38:08.580 Orthodox Church specifically broke

00:38:10.960 away from the Russian Orthodox

00:38:13.300 Church two years before the war

00:38:14.720 started and the Ukrainian Orthodox

00:38:16.500 Church actually collectively

00:38:18.580 condemned the war and yet priests

00:38:21.300 are going to jail political

00:38:23.580 parties you know in the United

00:38:25.000 States obviously we have two

00:38:26.040 major parties most people look

00:38:27.360 at that and say that's a

00:38:28.120 problem I would be one of those

00:38:29.500 people but it's pretty common

00:38:32.460 for us right to have two major

00:38:33.960 parties and then obviously we

00:38:34.960 have some smaller parties that

00:38:35.880 don't really have much of a

00:38:36.740 much of a shot because of the

00:38:38.060 way the system is set up but in

00:38:39.320 most places around the world

00:38:40.360 that's not the case in

00:38:41.260 parliamentary systems you have

00:38:43.100 many many different parties

00:38:44.040 well Ukraine was one of those

00:38:45.200 countries had at least 12

00:38:46.860 different parties operating in

00:38:48.220 Ukraine well one thing that has

00:38:49.720 happened since the war is that

00:38:51.040 Zelensky's come in and banned 11

00:38:52.700 opposition parties ban them all

00:38:54.860 there's one party that has power

00:38:57.020 and that is the servant of the

00:38:58.260 people party of which he is the

00:38:59.880 head Zelensky has canceled

00:39:02.460 elections in the country saying

00:39:04.140 unless the US gives us more

00:39:05.300 money we're not even going to

00:39:06.100 bother to hold elections it's too

00:39:07.200 risky we're at war like you're

00:39:08.740 just going to remain in power like

00:39:10.020 a dictator and say we're not

00:39:11.200 going to have an election

00:39:12.060 imagine this imagine imagine a guy

00:39:14.480 who ran as a peace candidate was

00:39:16.580 overwhelmingly elected because he

00:39:18.940 said I won't be at war now is at

00:39:21.360 war and because elections are

00:39:23.180 coming knowing he'll get thrown

00:39:24.300 out says well we're not going to

00:39:25.720 have an election because we can't

00:39:27.580 risk it right and the only way

00:39:29.060 we'll have an election is if the US

00:39:30.400 and Europe dump billions more

00:39:32.780 dollars into our coffers before we

00:39:34.740 hold the election what else oh

00:39:37.960 media media is completely under the

00:39:40.760 control of Zelensky's party

00:39:42.480 opposition television stations have

00:39:44.620 been shut down and you're not

00:39:45.780 allowed to broadcast in the

00:39:46.920 country unless you're on an

00:39:48.240 approved channel approved by

00:39:50.400 Zelensky's government giving an

00:39:52.060 approved message and so we we've

00:39:54.200 watched what's happened over there

00:39:56.040 as I said at the beginning here

00:39:57.880 happen in a way that we're being

00:39:59.460 told constantly that we have to

00:40:01.440 fund this war because if we don't

00:40:03.300 democracy will be destroyed so then

00:40:05.540 we fund the war so that democracy

00:40:07.560 can be destroyed there is no

00:40:09.200 democracy left in the country and

00:40:10.560 it's being completely run by this

00:40:12.300 little man in a green suit who who

00:40:14.400 walks around dressed for battle

00:40:15.980 constantly and and it's never he

00:40:18.500 doesn't he's never fought anybody

00:40:19.720 right he's not part of the war and

00:40:21.580 yet everywhere he goes including

00:40:22.820 like the Met Gala he shows up on

00:40:24.760 the in a spread what's it called a

00:40:27.220 photo shoot for Vogue magazine and

00:40:29.480 he's dressed as if he's on the front

00:40:31.780 lines right and then he's ringing the

00:40:33.840 bell to the New York Stock Exchange

00:40:35.020 he's doing all these things and it's

00:40:36.620 all this this persona that's built

00:40:38.340 around this guy who in fact is doing

00:40:41.060 every single thing we're being warned

00:40:42.780 that Putin wants to do he's the one

00:40:44.600 who's actually doing it yeah it

00:40:47.100 really is an insane amount of kayfabe

00:40:49.060 but but I guess but I have some some

00:40:53.440 some questions from the people Ben if

00:40:55.620 you have enough time to answer a few

00:40:57.380 excellent well before we do that I

00:40:59.920 watched the first episode and it was

00:41:03.000 great and I know there's gonna be I

00:41:04.800 think 11 more you said coming out so

00:41:06.500 where can people find these as they

00:41:08.120 start to come out absolutely so if you

00:41:09.900 go to truth in media.com truth in media.com

00:41:12.780 you can sign up on the email list there

00:41:14.700 and we'll send them to you the next one

00:41:16.180 is gonna come out April 18th Thursday

00:41:19.100 April 18th so I think we're live on

00:41:21.620 this show right so if this is live and

00:41:23.540 it's tomorrow it'll come out will be the

00:41:25.980 second episode it's called the world's

00:41:27.280 biggest celebrity and it goes into how

00:41:29.300 this guy has managed to become the

00:41:31.020 world's biggest celebrity without having

00:41:32.520 done anything other than lead a war

00:41:34.800 that no one's really sure why he's

00:41:36.180 fighting but there will be as I said

00:41:38.820 very detailed episodes where the

00:41:40.880 weapons are that the US is buying where

00:41:43.060 they headed where they showing up around

00:41:44.580 the world because they're not showing

00:41:45.680 up in Ukraine they're showing a lot of

00:41:46.920 other places we look at the church we

00:41:48.840 look at the persecution of the church

00:41:50.200 we look at the persecution of political

00:41:53.260 opponents so we're going into great

00:41:55.300 detail on all these issues because you

00:41:58.680 know one reason we wanted to do it as a

00:42:00.040 docuseries is it's easy for people to

00:42:01.640 watch like a two-hour documentary and

00:42:03.000 not retain a lot of it and so we're

00:42:04.420 trying to be very focused in this

00:42:05.900 because we believe that at the end of

00:42:07.780 the day the the American people need to

00:42:10.320 know what's going on with this war we're

00:42:12.560 watching Congress right now is having a

00:42:14.260 battle over whether or not to send more

00:42:16.620 funding to Ukraine we have a border in

00:42:19.320 the United States that's poorest we know

00:42:21.040 that millions upon millions of people are

00:42:23.200 crossing that border we can't control

00:42:24.860 that but we keep sending 60 billion

00:42:26.420 dollars at a time to Ukraine and it's

00:42:29.240 just insane so go to truthinmedia.com and

00:42:31.600 then on x you can follow us at truth

00:42:33.360 underscore in media we also post there

00:42:36.280 yeah guys make sure to check this out

00:42:38.280 it's really critical like you said you've

00:42:40.240 got guys like Mike Johnson who are

00:42:41.720 basically trying to betray the MAGA

00:42:43.380 movement and the right just so they can

00:42:45.020 go ahead and push more money through to

00:42:46.680 Ukraine and Israel and all these

00:42:48.220 foreign countries while people invade our

00:42:49.920 borders it's just absolutely insane

00:42:51.620 people need to be aware of basically the

00:42:54.000 money being stolen and handed to evil

00:42:55.820 people because this can't continue in the

00:42:58.680 United States it's going to be the

00:43:00.020 suicide of our nation all right guys

00:43:01.960 let's go over to the questions of the

00:43:03.560 people uh creeper weirdo here's this I

00:43:05.680 don't care if the rock played a

00:43:07.060 presidential candidate on TV he'll never

00:43:09.140 be president even the attempt uh will be

00:43:11.580 a zombie fresh prince you know I feel

00:43:13.400 like uh I don't the the idiocracy guy the

00:43:16.980 the camacho macho you know guys spraying

00:43:19.900 the the machine gun I wish I wish the

00:43:22.980 lens he had gone all the way into it I

00:43:24.780 you know gotten more of that you know

00:43:26.100 more of that portrayal a little more of

00:43:28.460 that he's pretty close he's pretty close

00:43:31.080 with the with the outfits that he wears

00:43:33.180 and the beard and all the I guess the

00:43:35.220 juice that he's shooting up into the

00:43:36.300 system like he's if you look at

00:43:38.400 Zelensky when the war started and in two

00:43:40.080 years what he looks like now like he's

00:43:42.460 got he's got to have like trainers

00:43:44.020 working with them it's all like this

00:43:46.060 costume this picture surrounding

00:43:48.520 surrounding him one thing that I've

00:43:50.240 learned that was fascinating in this

00:43:51.740 process is Zelensky has an incredible

00:43:54.860 team that was brought in originally from

00:43:57.640 Hollywood the trained people around him

00:43:59.380 to to put him um in these like 360 green

00:44:04.720 screen situations so that they can make

00:44:06.840 it appear as if he's anywhere in like in

00:44:08.560 any battle to do his his you know video

00:44:11.520 shots from like a drone strike was just

00:44:13.580 here and it's it's totally crazy but the

00:44:17.880 craziest part of it is the fact that that

00:44:19.980 we're supposed to watch it with a straight

00:44:21.660 face and nobody on this side who has any

00:44:24.200 real authority in terms of of media and

00:44:26.800 and and power ever is allowed to question

00:44:29.580 or as will it has the guts to question it

00:44:31.500 and say guys come on this isn't real like

00:44:33.800 we're we're being we're watching a tv show

00:44:36.380 called the servant of the people that's

00:44:37.880 what's really happening I mean it's smart

00:44:39.840 you know in the United States we have to

00:44:41.440 listen to Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden

00:44:43.240 pretend like they were under enemy fire

00:44:45.260 but Zelensky's got the footage that's that's

00:44:47.000 a way better system that's uh we our guys

00:44:49.400 should learn something from from these yeah

00:44:51.120 uh dayless says uh Ukraine isn't a people

00:44:54.160 or a country it's a zone where criminal

00:44:55.900 activity is the main economy it's where

00:44:58.560 the corrupt evil come from all over the

00:45:00.380 world to launder the money activity hence

00:45:02.120 uh western support actually I did want to

00:45:04.140 ask you this because I do know people you

00:45:06.060 know it's not like Ukraine Ukrainians are

00:45:07.980 uniformly you know uh Russian you know

00:45:10.600 that's that's not the case or have

00:45:12.220 sympathies towards uh you know so there

00:45:14.320 are many Ukrainians who are I think rightly

00:45:16.280 concerned about uh you know the the advance

00:45:18.800 today is what is the situation could

00:45:22.160 could Ukraine you know find itself in a

00:45:24.700 situation where it partitions and and the

00:45:27.460 the cultural divide for so that there is a

00:45:29.600 people created out of this like what does

00:45:31.340 that look like well yeah listen so I guess

00:45:33.640 one thing I never got to when we were

00:45:35.020 talking earlier about the geographic split

00:45:36.780 of it we talked a lot about the east but

00:45:38.420 western Ukraine is a people who identify

00:45:40.600 themselves as Ukrainian a lot of them are

00:45:43.400 are closer to being Polish and there's a lot

00:45:46.260 more Polish background there historically um

00:45:48.800 and so it basically where you have Kiev

00:45:51.640 there's a river that runs through the

00:45:52.960 country and east of that river right is is

00:45:55.960 identifies more as Russian and west

00:45:58.200 identifies more as uh Ukrainian here's the

00:46:02.340 amazing thing though and to give you an

00:46:04.100 idea like of how people identify over the

00:46:08.360 course of this war you've had about there

00:46:10.760 were only about 30 million people in

00:46:12.280 Ukraine about half of the country has

00:46:13.860 left about 15 million people have left the

00:46:16.000 country and fled the country which is

00:46:17.680 pretty staggering if you think about that

00:46:19.240 the majority of people and you can look

00:46:21.340 this up for yourself the majority of the

00:46:23.260 people who have left the country where

00:46:24.540 have they gone Russia the number one

00:46:27.140 country that has received people who have

00:46:28.360 left I've gone to Russia second is I

00:46:31.100 believe Poland and then third is Germany

00:46:33.580 which are very close so what you have is

00:46:36.220 you you do have an east-west split that's

00:46:38.020 happening in the country right now people

00:46:39.300 who identify as Russian went to Russia

00:46:40.740 people who identify more as Ukrainian or in

00:46:42.800 Poland right now which I know some people

00:46:44.680 who are in Poland they're not very happy

00:46:46.100 with the fact that there are so many

00:46:47.040 people there and then uh going off to

00:46:49.460 Germany as well and so ultimately when

00:46:52.640 this war comes to an end at some point it

00:46:54.240 will come to an end what will it look

00:46:55.980 like well it's not going to look like

00:46:57.440 Ukraine used to look from the the

00:46:59.640 military experts that we talked to when

00:47:00.940 we talked to them in this um docuseries

00:47:03.040 they say it on camera when this thing is

00:47:05.280 over more than likely um eastern Ukraine

00:47:08.700 big chunks of it will belong to Russia

00:47:10.700 they will be annexed in and they'll belong

00:47:12.200 to Russia the people will go back into

00:47:14.120 those those uh regions and they'll live

00:47:16.440 there again but they'll live under

00:47:17.780 Russia's protection and then more of the

00:47:20.140 western side of Ukraine will become you

00:47:22.000 know essentially Ukrainian but in terms of

00:47:24.240 a map whatever that map looks like today

00:47:26.320 that's not what it's going to look like

00:47:27.780 when this thing comes to an end

00:47:28.760 Arthur T says the rationale for supporting

00:47:31.680 Ukraine is constantly a moving target one

00:47:34.260 week it has to save democracy then prevent a

00:47:36.920 new iron curtain from calling uh from

00:47:38.860 falling over Europe next week it will be

00:47:41.000 stopping Russian colonization of Mars

00:47:43.820 yeah unfortunately it does feel like

00:47:46.340 there's always a new reason though I you

00:47:48.140 know it's funny at this point it you know

00:47:51.760 we used to hear that this war was going

00:47:53.000 to be over in 10 minutes it was you know

00:47:54.660 it was going to be done you know you just

00:47:56.140 cut Russia off from the financial system

00:47:57.880 and the whole thing collapses and now it's

00:48:00.440 hard for anyone to even pretend at this

00:48:02.340 point that that Ukraine is going to win

00:48:04.380 this it seems like even our elected

00:48:06.980 officials who are trying to vote them more

00:48:08.460 money have stopped pretending like that's

00:48:10.080 actually going to stop what's happening

00:48:11.940 there it's just well if we could just

00:48:13.780 bleed a few more Russians dry if we if we

00:48:16.080 could just fight to the last Ukrainian

00:48:17.580 that's really the only rationale left

00:48:19.540 that's right which is so barbaric if you

00:48:22.100 think about that right so our our goal is

00:48:24.040 to save Ukraine by killing all the

00:48:25.540 Ukrainians our goal is to say the only way

00:48:27.880 we're going to stay until every one of you

00:48:29.620 is dead it's like well who's signing up

00:48:31.400 for that in fact who's actually signing up

00:48:33.480 for their their their military at all another

00:48:36.020 story that's not told in this country is

00:48:38.220 the fact that first of all when people

00:48:40.000 fled the country men were not allowed to

00:48:41.620 leave they were stopped at the border

00:48:43.600 and told nope you're going back and you're

00:48:45.000 fighting they have young men as young as

00:48:46.820 15 years old being forced into military

00:48:49.260 service and then as old as 60 years old

00:48:51.280 being forced into military service and into

00:48:53.580 what service they have no chance they

00:48:55.860 can't beat Russia that the US is sending

00:48:58.400 them lots of weapons but what are we

00:48:59.760 sending them we're sending the weapons

00:49:00.820 they can't use and in many cases they'll

00:49:03.200 they'll get weapons then Russia will come

00:49:05.280 in we'll bomb them and then take the

00:49:07.080 weapons so they're losing the weapons

00:49:09.260 that we're giving them and the weapons

00:49:10.640 that we're paying for paying for are going

00:49:13.200 to military contractors to build new ones

00:49:14.980 for us so what's simultaneously happening

00:49:17.440 that never gets talked about is that the

00:49:19.320 US is depleting its own weapon stockpiles

00:49:22.380 to give them away and who ends up with

00:49:24.660 both they're either destroyed or Russia's

00:49:26.820 the one who's taking a lot of them in the

00:49:28.820 field of battle now one thing I do want

00:49:30.920 to say people have asked me why is this

00:49:32.540 war taking so long like if Russia is so

00:49:34.180 powerful why why aren't they winning and

00:49:36.260 I've been told the reason for that is

00:49:37.840 because Putin could go in and just

00:49:41.400 carpet bomb everything if he wanted to

00:49:42.860 and he's choosing not to because when

00:49:44.640 the war is over he wants to send all

00:49:46.500 those people from Ukraine who came over

00:49:48.180 to send them back and you can't send

00:49:50.240 them back if you've destroyed all the

00:49:51.840 homes all the infrastructure all the

00:49:53.260 roads everything imagine that right the

00:49:55.180 US doesn't fight wars like this we go

00:49:56.600 into a place we bomb everything out and

00:49:58.020 then we send in contractors and we build

00:49:59.420 everybody's stuff he doesn't want to go

00:50:00.960 back and rebuild Ukraine so he's taking

00:50:02.900 time to not just lay waste to it so that

00:50:05.700 there's something for people to go back

00:50:06.940 to yeah it's different yeah I mean that's

00:50:10.640 the difference between fighting a war over

00:50:12.360 something you plan to rule as opposed to

00:50:14.280 something you just plan to replace

00:50:15.640 Paladin YYZ here says all I want to know

00:50:20.280 is was Zelensky fairly elected meaning did

00:50:23.160 the people actually vote him as it as a

00:50:26.280 legitimate candidate that's a great

00:50:28.060 question so our understanding of what we

00:50:30.040 have found is yes he he was not an

00:50:32.260 illegitimate candidate but again he was he

00:50:34.980 was a very contrived candidate right he his

00:50:39.480 his campaign actually started two years

00:50:42.160 before with this TV show the main oligarch

00:50:45.600 Igor Kolomoisky who owns the network that

00:50:48.400 they showed on the one plus one network was

00:50:50.620 his major donor was the one who helped fund

00:50:53.280 his first party that servant of the people

00:50:55.180 party and is still one of his closest

00:50:57.160 advisors so the whole thing was very

00:50:59.140 choreographed did the people fall for it

00:51:01.780 absolutely they did now here's a little

00:51:03.360 fact that media won't tell you

00:51:04.860 Zelensky before the war started had been

00:51:08.060 in office for two years right he was

00:51:11.040 elected in 2019 2022 is when the war starts

00:51:14.320 in around February into February by the end

00:51:16.980 of 2021 his approval rating was around 23% he

00:51:21.820 was wildly unpopular in the country so yes

00:51:24.560 was he elected yes on on two things one a

00:51:27.860 peace candidate and two that he was going to

00:51:29.400 stamp out corruption in the country he did

00:51:31.560 not stamp out corruption he himself is

00:51:33.840 incredibly corrupt was taking lots of money

00:51:35.880 by according to the Panama Papers was buying

00:51:38.300 properties in London buying properties all

00:51:40.100 over the world and so he was extremely

00:51:42.620 unpopular again he was pulling around 23% we

00:51:46.120 think Biden's doing bad when he's in the 40th

00:51:48.540 percentile or the 30s imagine a president

00:51:51.240 being at 23% and then the war starts so

00:51:55.180 the polls don't matter anymore what people

00:51:57.120 think doesn't matter anymore and as I

00:51:58.800 mentioned earlier elections don't even matter

00:52:01.060 anymore right Kriber Rito says but the

00:52:03.840 freedoms we need to spread the freedoms

00:52:05.900 and finally J.H. Snyder says you're correct

00:52:09.300 about the Hollywood being an arm of the

00:52:11.280 propaganda machine but 13 hours does a good

00:52:13.320 job removing the veneer around the US foreign

00:52:15.660 affairs I haven't seen that movie I know it's

00:52:18.060 a movie but I have not seen that one but

00:52:19.360 thank you for that recommendation sir we'll

00:52:20.900 have to check into it all right guys we're

00:52:23.060 gonna go ahead and wrap this up I want to

00:52:24.840 thank Ben so much for coming on like I said I

00:52:27.300 watched that first episode and I'm looking

00:52:28.860 forward to watching the rest of them

00:52:30.420 especially the one on where the weapons

00:52:32.440 are going that one I think I will find very

00:52:35.000 fascinating of course guys if it's your

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - April 17, 2024

Zelenskyy Unmasked ｜ Guest： Ben Swann ｜ 4⧸17⧸24

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