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00:00:23.000Okay, so, here is the dealio, the dealio, gang.
00:00:27.000Right now, we are trying to figure out exactly what the plan is.
00:00:29.000I mean, seriously, like the entire US government is trying to figure out what the plan is.
00:00:31.000The entire world is trying to figure out what the plan is.
00:00:34.000This is because We can quarantine all we want, but once the quarantine ends, once people are out and about, then is this thing just going to crop up again?
00:00:43.000And we don't know the answer to that question.
00:00:46.000The shutdown is basically because we are trying to, as we've explained on the show before, flatten the curve.
00:00:51.000The goal being That yeah, everybody eventually is going to get coronavirus, it'll become part of our sort of seasonal flu, daily life is sort of the theory, but if we can flatten that curve so that it doesn't all hit at once, so the wrecking ball doesn't hit our healthcare system all at once, then you won't have a massive excess of cases above that dotted line that I've shown you before, the dotted line being the number of ICU beds and respirators and ventilators available for people who actually need them.
00:01:15.000So the idea is we can slow transmission to a certain extent, Then eventually, there will be enough beds available because people won't all be getting this at once.
00:01:23.000Let's say that we lock everything down for just a couple of weeks.
00:01:26.000Let's say we lock everything down for a couple of months.
00:01:28.000And then all the young people go out, and they hang out together, and then they infect one another, and then all the old people get it.
00:01:34.000Well, you may have delayed it a little bit, but unless you have radically increased the number of ICU beds and ventilators, then you've not actually bought anything.
00:01:40.000You've not actually achieved anything.
00:01:42.000Because the line is still where it was before.
00:01:44.000All you've done is basically delay a little bit the onset of the tsunami that is going to hit.
00:01:50.000So the question right now is, what is going to stop this thing?
00:01:53.000Now, the evidence is sort of interesting and mixed on what is going to stop this thing.
00:01:58.000So in China, if we believe the Chinese statistics, the Chinese have actually stopped this thing dead.
00:02:01.000They locked everybody down for about three months.
00:02:11.000Lots of people out in the streets again.
00:02:13.000Unclear whether business has reopened at this point in South Korea or not.
00:02:17.000So the question is going to be, now that people are back out and about, whether they are starting to reinfect each other and whether you see the caseloads rising again.
00:02:24.000If not, then there is a hope that this thing is just shut down Temporarily.
00:02:28.000And if it's shut down temporarily, then we can weather this thing.
00:02:30.000If, however, there is no shutdown that is temporary.
00:02:34.000If, however, it turns out that the minute we get out of our hidey holes and we start associating with one another, we're going to reinfect each other again.
00:02:42.000And then it's going to hit all the old people anyway.
00:02:44.000And we have not significantly increased the number of beds.
00:02:46.000We haven't bought ourselves any time at all.
00:02:47.000And if the vaccine takes 12 to 18 months, and the idea is that we're supposed to shut down the entire world economy for 12 to 18 months, that is simply unsustainable, which is why it's fascinating to see the differences between how the United States and the UK and Denmark are treating this thing.
00:03:01.000The United States is right now basically pursuing a policy of everybody stay home, which is based on best available information.
00:03:08.000Everybody staying home is going to slow the transmission of the disease.
00:03:11.000The UK was pursuing a policy originally of herd immunity, Let everybody who's under the age of 60 walk around freely, go about their business, get the coronavirus, develop an immunity to coronavirus, and then, once it's passed through the population, there's not as much chance that all of those people are going to pass it on to the old people.
00:03:28.000The problem is, it turns out that a lot of the people were still visiting with old people.
00:03:31.000Grandma and grandpa were still getting it, and this is why the UK is now imposing American-style restrictions.
00:03:36.000Meanwhile, in Denmark, they're trying the UK-style experiment.
00:03:39.000They're basically saying, everybody under the age of 70, go about your daily business, go enjoy your life, It will develop herd immunity.
00:03:45.000If you're over the age of 70, stay in your house.
00:03:47.000We're going to slip a rent check and some food under your door and just deal with it for like three to four months.
00:03:51.000It'll be interesting to see which one of these bears the most dividends.
00:03:54.000In the long term, it may actually be the Danish example.
00:03:57.000The reason being, again, if the goal here is not just to lower the curve, but to eradicate the passage of the disease generally, you do need herd immunity at a certain point.
00:04:08.000The benefits of a slow development of the disease over time toward herd immunity is that you Don't fill all the ICU beds at once.
00:04:15.000The downside is it means that you have to shut down the economy for extraordinarily broad periods of time.
00:04:19.000In Denmark, the hope is that if you can segment off people who are older, that you can get the best of both worlds.
00:04:24.000That all those old people will not get the disease and all the young people...
00:04:28.000We'll get it, but most of them will be okay.
00:04:30.000By most we mean nearly all of those people will basically be okay.
00:04:32.000These are the sort of trade-offs that public policy has to take into consideration because the economy shutting down is a major public policy consideration.
00:04:39.000Millions of jobs are going to be lost across the world this month and next.
00:04:42.000In the United States, hundreds of thousands of jobs are going to be lost this month and next.
00:04:45.000The reason being, you can't shut down the entire United States economy indefinitely without any sort of expectation as to when the economy is going to open without Inflating the currency.
00:04:55.000I mean, at a certain point, who's going to buy bonds?
00:04:58.000At a certain point, where is the money all going to be?
00:05:00.000And once you start inflating the currency so people can continue to pay for their food, well, what happens to everybody who has savings?
00:05:05.000All the people who are really wealthy don't actually have a lot of money anymore.
00:05:07.000Basically, all the wealth of a society dissipates when the economy stops dead this way.
00:05:12.000These are serious considerations that we're going to have to consider, and we're going to have to hear some more specific plans from our leadership as to how they expect that this thing is going to die out, or how we expect to increase the medical capacity of the system itself so that when we reopen the doors, when business reopens, we don't have exactly the same situation we had two weeks ago where business is open, but lots of old people are in danger of dying.
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00:07:04.000As I say, the big questions right now involve exactly when we reopen the economy, if the economy is reopened, how exactly all of this shakes out.
00:07:16.000So here's the information that we currently have.
00:07:18.000Right now, according to the New York Times, Benedict Cary writing, scientists tracking the spread of coronavirus reported on Monday that for every confirmed case there are most likely another five to ten people in the community with undetected infections.
00:07:28.000These often milder cases are, on average, about half as infectious as confirmed ones, but are responsible for nearly 80% of new cases, according to the report, which was based on data from China.
00:07:37.000The researchers modeled the virus's natural spread in China before the government instituted a travel ban and an aggressive testing policy.
00:07:44.000During that time, from December of last year through late January, about six in seven cases went undetected.
00:07:49.000That situation is analogous to the current state of affairs in the United States and other Western countries, where tests are not widely available, the researchers said.
00:07:56.000Jeffrey Shaman, epidemiologist at Columbia, he says if we have 3,500 confirmed cases in the United States, you might be looking at 35,000 in reality.
00:08:04.000The report is among the first to address two of the most pressing questions about the pandemic.
00:08:08.000How many people are walking around with unrecognized infections?
00:08:13.000As American policymakers have begun taking more aggressive measures to slow transmission, such as canceling events and closing restaurants, access to tests for the virus has been difficult or nonexistent in much of the country.
00:08:23.000Those tests are going to be necessary in order for us to actually lock down people who may be walking around and carrying this thing without noticing it.
00:08:30.000Dr. Elizabeth Halloran, professor of biostatistics at the University of Washington says it's crucial to implement wide-scale testing and it's important to develop inexpensive tests so people can get tested whenever they need to be.
00:08:40.000This new analysis is drawing undocumented infections in China and mobility data, as well as a model of social interaction across the population to estimate the numbers of undocumented cases as well as infection rates.
00:08:50.000It found that after the Chinese government locked down the center of the outbreak on January 23rd and began widespread testing, the picture changed drastically.
00:08:57.000In time, testing identified some 60% of positive cases, up from 14%.
00:09:02.000The scientists said the number of undetected cases for every confirmed one could vary twofold from country to country.
00:09:07.000The unidentified cases in China that proliferated before the lockdown, although less contagious, did not necessarily cause milder cases in the newly infected, according to researchers.
00:09:17.000require us to ask the question with regard to China.
00:09:20.000So why exactly have we not seen a re-uptick of cases in China as the economy begins to open?
00:09:26.000Because as the New York Times reported earlier this week, I mean reported like late last week, China is starting to get back to work.
00:09:32.000More than six weeks after its leaders virtually shut down the world's second largest economy, factories are reopening, offices are starting to fill.
00:09:38.000Okay, if that's the case, then why haven't we seen a wild uptick in the number of cases in China?
00:09:44.000Unless they're not telling us something about how all of this works.
00:09:47.000Because, for example, the Washington Post, this is one of the most viewed pieces in the history of the Washington Post, and for good reason.
00:09:53.000It's a sophisticated and interesting take on exactly how infection models work.
00:09:58.000So we're going to show you how the Washington Post did this, because it's really interesting.
00:10:02.000So basically, they created a fake disease called simulitis.
00:10:08.000This one passes more easily than COVID-19, where a healthy person comes into contact with a sick person, the healthy person becomes sick in this particular model, and then there are recovered people.
00:10:19.000So what you're about to see, if you can actually watch the show, is you're about to see dots of three colors, right?
00:10:23.000You're going to see purple dots, those are people who have recovered from simulitis, which in this case is sort of a more viral version of coronavirus.
00:10:29.000You're going to see the sort of greenish gray dots.
00:10:47.000Everybody is able to go and do exactly what it is that they want.
00:10:50.000We can play that and I can explain what's happening.
00:10:52.000So you can see there's this one sick person starts infecting people almost immediately.
00:10:56.000Now all the people are infecting all the other people.
00:10:58.000And what you see is very, very quickly the sickness spreads throughout the entire population.
00:11:02.000You can see on the top of the graphic, this is why you should subscribe at Daily Wire so you can actually see what we're talking about.
00:11:07.000You can see at the top of the graphic, this big bell curve and the bell curve quickly spikes all the way to the top of the chart before finally starting to drop off as people start...
00:12:15.000Everybody in the nursing home has the infection within about five seconds.
00:12:18.000Everybody outside the nursing home does not have the infection.
00:12:21.000Now, the problem is, as you will see in this particular model, is that as the door opens, right, as you start to get beyond the attempted quarantine, then some of the sick people are going to escape, and then they're going to start infecting the population, and then you get this sort of secondary spike where all of a sudden a lot of people are getting the infection, but you've seen that the curve has been flattened.
00:12:40.000So the idea here would be sort of what the United States is trying.
00:12:44.000Now that you are staying home, the curve is rising, but rising later.
00:12:48.000And so the idea is because the curve here is flatter, Then presumably, the number of beds that are built in the meantime are going to relieve pressure on the healthcare system.
00:12:58.000Now that only works if you actually raise the number of beds that are available.
00:13:01.000It only works if you actually pay for new ventilators.
00:13:03.000It only works if you build new hospitals.
00:13:05.000So all of that has to happen in this model in order for the effects not to be as bad as the first model where you just let everybody run around without any sort of restrictions.
00:13:15.000The third model is moderate social distancing.
00:13:18.000In moderate social distancing, this happens when about a quarter of the population moves around and everybody else stays home or socially distances, right?
00:13:25.000So this is sort of what the United States has kind of right now, right?
00:13:28.000This is what we've been pursuing, which is basically a small percentage of the population is moving around.
00:14:04.000So that's what the United States is going for, again, in order to keep that number below the dotted line of the number of ICU beds over time.
00:14:11.000Now, the problem with this is it doesn't develop herd immunity.
00:14:13.000So if at a certain point people get back to work, then you immediately kick into chart number one, and then the number of cases spikes again.
00:14:20.000We don't know what's going to end this disease vector, right?
00:14:23.000There's a great hope that the summer ends the disease vector, that basically we get to summer, warmer weather, flu tends to die off in warmer weather, and then everybody gets back to work for a few months while we build some new ICU beds, By the time we hit fall, we don't have to shut down the economy again in the same way.
00:14:36.000But that is assuming some things like that this is going to kill the virus, which There's some fairly good evidence for that.
00:14:42.000In equatorial zones, it seems like the virus is being killed off faster.
00:14:45.000In hot areas, hot and humid, it seems to be killing off the virus, so we can all pray that that is the case.
00:14:50.000So that would be the idea behind a temporary, mostly lockdown, which is kind of what we in the United States are pursuing.
00:14:55.000That's the policy that we're looking at right now.
00:14:58.000Then there's extensive social distancing.
00:15:00.000Extensive social distancing would be like San Francisco right now.
00:15:03.000This is one out of every eight people moving, meaning barely anyone is moving At all, and you can play that simulation as well.
00:15:08.000Again, all these simulations are courtesy of the Washington Post, which did an excellent job putting together what these graphics look like.
00:15:13.000For those who, again, can't see, what you are seeing here is a few sick people who are moving around and everybody else locking in place.
00:15:21.000And again, you're seeing the caseload grow extraordinarily slowly.
00:15:25.000And again, that is what you would really look for, right?
00:15:28.000So both the moderate case and the extensive social distancing, you see a bell curve that is much shallower and also backloaded.
00:15:35.000That bell curve is backloaded because, again, whatever increase is taking place is taking place a lot later over time.
00:15:43.000So that is what the United States is looking for, is to lay this thing until summer and then hope, pray, that the hot weather kills the flu, or kills the Wuhan flu.
00:15:51.000And by the way, it's not racist to call it Wuhan flu.
00:15:58.000Okay, so this is the model that the United States is pursuing.
00:16:01.000Okay, so bottom line, if you look at what these look like, okay, in terms of the bell curve, if you have the free-for-all, which is sort of what Denmark is positing, you have that steep bell curve, steep up, steep down, and then you're done.
00:16:13.000The attempted quarantine, you have a much shallower curve, and then you have a secondary curve that is much broader.
00:16:18.000The goal there would be to shut this thing down at least for the moment so you can get that ICU level just above this sort of orange double bell curve, just above the camel humps right there.
00:16:28.000And then you have moderate distancing, which is what the United States is trying in the short term, and depends how long we can keep that thing lasting.
00:16:34.000And the hope is that when you hit the end of that chart, by that point we have a vaccine, by that point we have the summer, and this thing gets killed off, and then extensive distancing is just a better variation of moderate distancing.
00:16:43.000So the United States is basically trying strategies 3 and 4, moderate distancing and extensive distancing.
00:16:48.000Denmark is trying strategy 1, and the idea would be that you wall off all of the oldies, and you make sure that they don't actually get hurt.
00:16:55.000All of this is reliant, again, on a couple of assumptions.
00:16:57.000Assumption number one, summer comes, the flu dies.
00:17:00.000Assumption number two, a vaccine is developed sometime in the near future.
00:17:03.000If neither one of those things happens, nothing we are doing right now is going to matter.
00:17:07.000Seriously, if we do not develop either more ICU beds, better medical capacity to handle people who are getting sick over the course of the next couple of months, or if the summer does not kill off the Wuhan flu, or if we get to the point where a vaccine is developed, if none of those three things happen, then no matter how much social distancing we go through right now, if this thing lives, everybody's gonna get infected, old people are going to die in increased numbers.
00:17:33.000So we are relying on a few things that are unknown, We just don't have the information for it.
00:17:39.000And again, as a social matter, it's going to be, as a social science matter, it'll be fascinating to see whether Denmark has the best approach keeping their economy running while maybe everybody else is overreacting or whether we have the right approach and Denmark would unfortunately see some pretty bad effects from what they're doing.
00:17:52.000Also, what happens when we reopen our borders, right?
00:17:54.000The world, we are not walled off from the world.
00:17:56.000Are we just going to keep travel bans from every place on earth in place interminably?
00:18:01.000Or is the idea that we are going to gradually relax those travel bans?
00:18:04.000Again, policy is completely in flux right now.
00:18:06.000We'll get to more of this in just one second.
00:18:08.000We'll bring you the latest news and then the Trump response.
00:18:10.000They've issued some new CDC guidelines.
00:18:48.000Go make sure that you, your family, are taken care of in case, God forbid, something should happen to you.
00:18:53.000It's bad enough if somebody dies, but it's that much worse if their stream of revenue and stream of income is completely cut off to their family.
00:18:59.000And it's just the responsible thing to do.
00:19:01.000If you've got a family, go get life insurance right now.
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00:19:29.000The financial ramifications of each of these makes a huge difference because the fact is that if we have no data on when the economy gets restarted, if the idea is we're just gonna stay in lockdown until there's a vaccine, which could take 12 to 18 months, the world economy is not, that's not a recession, that's a depression.
00:19:44.000Because the fact is, there are businesses operating on the margins right now that are going to go under, which is awful in and of itself.
00:19:49.000A lot of people are going to lose their livelihoods over the next couple of months.
00:19:52.000And the government is stepping in and taking measures along these lines.
00:19:56.000The Fed says that it's going to offer an additional $500 billion in overnight repo funding markets to prevent people, prevent creditors from going in and trying to repossess stuff, right, from calling in their loans.
00:20:08.000They're basically saying, guys, hold off.
00:20:11.000The federal government is going to pump into you to make sure that you don't experience as losses necessary for you to call in all of those mortgages, call in all of those car loans, call in all of those student loans.
00:20:20.000We're going to step in right now, and we're going to stopgap this thing for the moment.
00:20:24.000And that's good policy so long as it's a stopgap.
00:20:26.000It cannot be permanent because eventually, how are you going to fund this?
00:20:29.000There are only a couple of ways you can fund this, right?
00:20:31.000One is that you are betting that sometime in the future, taxpayer dollars will pay for this, and so you're selling off bonds.
00:20:35.000And then, who do you sell the bonds to?
00:20:37.000If the rest of the economy is shut down, who can afford to buy the bonds?
00:20:40.000Every single country on planet Earth right now is in the same situation the United States is in.
00:20:44.000So are we all going to sell our bonds to each other?
00:20:46.000Who exactly is the bond buyer at that point?
00:20:49.000Is the Chinese government going to buy American bonds?
00:20:51.000I mean, the Chinese government is already bankrupting itself.
00:20:54.000So do they have the money to buy American bonds?
00:20:56.000Maybe they buy American bonds in the hopes that America's economy recovers faster.
00:20:59.000But again, that is all dependent on the underlying condition being alleviated.
00:21:03.000If coronavirus is not alleviated over the next 12 to 18 months, There will be no bond market.
00:21:08.000Nobody is going to be buying into the future faith and credit of a country where the entire industry is shut down, and globally, nobody can afford to buy those bonds.
00:21:15.000Okay, which leaves the federal government with only a couple of other options.
00:21:18.000One of those is to actually pump, right, to actually inflate the currency, to basically helicopter cash everywhere.
00:21:25.000Okay, once that happens, sounds great, only one problem.
00:21:28.000Once you start helicopter cashing everything, Eventually, prices are going to rise because, again, it doesn't lower the cost of production of the goods that are still in production to simply helicopter cash everything.
00:21:39.000And what that means is that everybody who has savings is now worth less.
00:21:42.000Because the stock market is not going to rise on that basis.
00:21:44.000I mean, we know this because this is actually what FDR tried to do during the Great Depression.
00:21:48.000During the Great Depression, there was an attempt by FDR to basically set wages, set prices, top down government control, lengthen the Great Depression by eight years.
00:21:58.000If you do not alleviate the underlying condition here, the Great Depression is even less understandable because there was no great underlying condition that led to the Great Depression.
00:22:05.000Here, you actually have an underlying condition, coronavirus, presumably when that is healed in some way, then you are going to see an uptick in the economy.
00:22:11.000But if there is no prospect of an uptick, then there will come a point where everybody is just going to have to adopt the Danish solution.
00:22:18.000There will come a point where the economy can no longer afford to operate on this basis, and that's going to be dangerous, and it's going to be terrible, and we're going to have to make some very, very difficult public policy decisions as to which sectors are allowed to go back to work, what is the risk factor for people who are older in our society, right?
00:22:33.000The great hope is that by summer, by May, this thing starts to die down.
00:22:38.000And again, many scientists are suggesting that that may be exactly what happened.
00:22:42.000That perhaps we get to the point pretty quickly, you know, hopefully, as we say, by May, that this thing starts to drop off a little bit in terms of its virulence and that the government has gotten it under control.
00:22:53.000But if it does not, then all of the measures the government is taking right now in order to contain this thing are not going to have a lot of long-term effect and the economy is going to stay down for the count.
00:23:13.000The government cannot just print money or borrow money on the basis of revenue that's never going to arrive based on lowered economic projections.
00:23:19.000Now, again, most economists believe that we're gonna come out of this fairly quickly, meaning that there'll be a rough, rough Q2.
00:23:24.000The Q2 in the United... I mean, Goldman Sachs is projecting that Q2 in the United States, we're gonna see a 4% GDP loss, which is just astonishing.
00:23:33.000And then afterward, we'll see, they hope, an alleviation and a 2% GDP gain, that we'll see a U-shaped recovery, and by the end of the year, we'll have gone through the year with a slight loss.
00:23:43.000The stock market today is sort of assuming there's not going to be tremendous amounts of new information available.
00:23:47.000The stock market is up slightly today.
00:23:49.000At this point, it dropped 3,000 points yesterday.
00:23:51.000It is up and down and up and down because nobody knows where the actual bottom is.
00:23:55.000Nobody knows where exactly this thing is going.
00:23:57.000With that said, everybody is shutting down, and there's not gonna be any new information for a couple of weeks.
00:25:09.000Think about how much time and money you could have saved on letters and packages over the years, and think about the fact that they're telling you to stay home.
00:25:15.000You can stay home and still use Stamps.com.
00:25:54.000Denmark is taking enormous amounts of flack for exactly the policies I was talking about before.
00:25:54.000Denmark is taking enormous amounts of flack for exactly the policies I was talking about before.
00:25:57.000The UK was taking an enormous amount of flack for the policies that I was talking about before.
00:26:01.000How would you like to be the mayor who says everybody go about your business and then you get an outbreak in your city?
00:26:05.000And by the way, that's a real possibility, right?
00:26:07.000I mean, during the Spanish flu, there was a widespread difference, 1918 to 1920.
00:26:11.000Huge difference in death rates between Philadelphia, where everybody just went about their business, and St. Louis, where these shelter-in-place orders were basically put in place, and the death rate was half of that in Philadelphia.
00:26:21.000Well, now, six Bay Area counties have announced shelter-in-place orders for all residents on Monday, directing everyone to stay inside their homes and away from others as much as possible for three weeks.
00:26:30.000In a desperate move to curb the rapid spread of coronavirus across the region, the directive was set to begin at midnight on Tuesday, and involves San Francisco, Santa Clara, San Mateo, Marin, Contra Costa, and Alameda counties, a combined population of more than 6.7 million people, and it's going to stay in place until at least April 7th.
00:26:48.000The three other Bay Area counties, Sonoma, Solano, and Napa, did not issue similar mandates.
00:26:52.000Also, Santa Cruz County announced a shelter-in-place order for its 275,000 residents.
00:26:57.000In all likelihood, this is going to become sort of the common standard across America.
00:27:02.000We've already seen shutdowns of basically all businesses in the city of Los Angeles.
00:27:06.000Restaurants are closed except for takeout.
00:27:27.000Among those remaining open are grocery stores, pharmacies, restaurants for delivery only, and hardware stores as well.
00:27:32.000Most workers are ordered to stay home.
00:27:34.000Exceptions are just healthcare workers, police, fire, other emergency responders, and utility providers such as electricians, plumbers, and sanitation workers.
00:27:42.000Airports are not closing either, although the fact is that domestic airline travel is basically dead at this point.
00:27:49.000So, you know, the airline industry is in serious trouble.
00:27:54.000They're just going to have to shut down.
00:27:55.000They're just going to have to shut down.
00:27:56.000Meanwhile, there's controversy over in Ohio where Governor Mike DeWine has postponed a primary election and the idiotic Democratic Party and idiot Tom Perez have said, we're going to go ahead with our primary today anyway.
00:28:29.000Again, in emergency situations, this sort of stuff tends to go by the wayside.
00:28:33.000DeWine tweeted, Meanwhile, the Secretary of State, Frank LaRose, said that he's going to seek a remedy through the courts to extend voting options so every voter who wants to vote will be granted that opportunity.
00:28:50.000Frankly, I'm shocked the DNC decided to go forward with this thing anyway.
00:28:53.000Okay, meanwhile, the White House announced all sorts of new guidelines yesterday.
00:30:09.000Do you really think the American people are going to shelter in place for four months?
00:30:13.000And that is something it's just not going to happen.
00:30:15.000Realistically speaking, it's not going to happen.
00:30:17.000Here's President Trump suggesting the outbreak could last until July or August.
00:30:20.000Then Dr. Anthony Fauci said, well, the restrictions aren't going to last until July or August, but the outbreak could.
00:30:24.000It seems to me that if we do a really good job, we'll not only hold the death down to a level that is much lower than the other way, had we not done a good job, but...
00:30:40.000But people are talking about July, August, something like that.
00:30:46.000So it could be right in that period of time where I say it washes through.
00:30:50.000Other people don't like that term, but where it washes through.
00:30:55.000Okay, so that of course is a fairly accurate take.
00:30:57.000Some people are even suggesting that by early May, as the summer kicks in, we may see an alleviation of the virus itself.
00:31:03.000President Trump finally acknowledging the economy could be headed into recession.
00:31:06.000Look, the fact is that the early handling of this by the Trump administration was not good.
00:31:09.000As I've said for about a week, Trump wised up late last week, and he has now been taking a very serious tack on all of this, which is correct.
00:31:16.000Here's Trump yesterday announcing the economy could be headed into recession.
00:31:20.000The stock market took another hit today.
00:31:28.000Once we stop, I think there's a tremendous pent-up demand, both in terms of the stock market and in terms of the economy.
00:31:34.000And once this goes away, once it goes through and we're done with it, I think you're going to see a tremendous, a tremendous surge.
00:31:42.000Okay, President Trump also suggested that the best thing for the stock market is to get through the crisis, which of course is true and does speak to what exactly are the financial measures that are being taken.
00:31:51.000This is why the suggestion that the Fed lowering its rate to zero was going to jog the economy is idiotic.
00:31:56.000Until this whole thing is actually solved, there isn't going to be no jog to the economy.
00:31:59.000Right now, it is just a matter of get through it.
00:32:01.000Get through it until either a vaccine is found or until the summer kills off this Wuhan virus.
00:32:48.000My administration is recommending that all Americans, including the young and healthy, work to engage in schooling from home when possible, avoid gathering in groups of more than 10 people, avoid discretionary travel, and avoid eating and drinking at bars, restaurants, and public food courts.
00:33:09.000If everyone makes this Change or these critical changes and sacrifices now we will rally together as one nation and we will defeat the virus and we're going to Have a big celebration all together.
00:34:15.000We're also racing to develop antiviral therapies and other treatments.
00:34:20.000And we've had some promising results, early results, but promising to reduce the severity and the duration of the symptoms.
00:34:29.000And I have to say that our government is prepared to do whatever it takes, whatever it takes we're doing.
00:34:36.000Okay, the acting DHS secretary added that a domestic travel shutdown is on the table.
00:34:39.000That, of course, makes perfect sense considering that nobody is flying anyway.
00:34:42.000I mean, the airlines have taken a massive hit.
00:34:44.000Here's the acting DHS secretary announcing that we may shut down the airlines.
00:34:47.000As you heard the president say, it's certainly something that we continue to look at, certainly in the task force.
00:34:51.000There are no immediate plans for any domestic travel restrictions.
00:34:55.000But as I often say, we like to keep all options on the table.
00:34:58.000And again, as the virus continues to evolve and our medical strategy continues to evolve, then that's certainly something that we'll take a look at.
00:35:06.000Deborah Birx is heading up the president's coronavirus response.
00:35:09.000She also says we're looking at the best responses from everywhere.
00:35:11.000Look, the entire federal government is on this thing.
00:35:18.000Because the fact is that we're already seeing this in countries around the world.
00:35:22.000People are already coming out of isolation, especially free countries where you're not going to have people with machine guns in the streets telling people to get back in their homes.
00:35:30.000That means that the number of people who are going to stay in place, especially if the numbers don't dramatically skyrocket and freak everybody out, that eventually people are going to go back out in the streets.
00:35:39.000Here's Deborah Burke saying we're looking at good responses from everywhere.
00:35:42.000I think we're looking at all the experience that has been gained around the world with...
00:35:46.000We spend every day reviewing what has happened in China, South Korea, Italy, Iran, and across the world to really see how people have responded.
00:35:56.000There's a China model, there's a South Korea model.
00:36:00.000We're taking the best of each of those models and working on seeing how we adapt them.
00:36:14.000They've been saying that the federal response was following the state response.
00:36:17.000Yes, because states are built for this.
00:36:18.000I mean, this is what federalism is built on.
00:36:20.000Localism, the ability of states to declare national emergencies or state emergencies is far greater than the capacity of the federal government to declare such emergencies.
00:36:28.000Of course, the thing should have started at the local and state level in terms of the initiation of lockdowns like this.
00:36:34.000For all of that, the president has now put out a document called 15 Days to Slow the Spread.
00:36:39.000Now, this does not mean that all these restrictions are going to end after 15 days.
00:36:44.000OK, the high likelihood at this point is that this thing is going to continue at least another month.
00:36:47.000If I had to put my thumb on it, I would think that it would be at least another four to six weeks minimum.
00:36:53.000OK, but with that said, the president has said there are 15 days to slow the spread because at the very least, you have to take one running punch at coronavirus by preventing the rapid spread to give the government time to catch up.
00:37:23.000If you're an older person, stay home and away from other people.
00:37:26.000If you're a person with a serious underlying health condition that can put you at increased risk, for example, a condition that impairs lung or heart function or weakens your immune system, stay home and away from other people.
00:37:36.000Even if you are young or otherwise healthy, says the White House, you are at risk.
00:37:39.000Your activities can increase the risk for others.
00:37:40.000It's critical you do your part to slow the spread of the coronavirus.
00:37:44.000And this, of course, has led to a fair bit of controversy between sort of young people and older people.
00:37:48.000There's an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal today about how some young people are like, I just want to live my life, man.
00:37:53.000And if the oldies get it, then the oldies, okay.
00:37:56.000That is a fairly immoral point of view.
00:37:58.000You staying home for a couple of... Listen, the economy is going to take the hit anyway.
00:38:01.000You staying home for a couple of weeks from the bar and killing your social life for a couple of weeks to save grandma?
00:38:06.000Actually, that's something you sort of owe to grandma.
00:38:08.000Do your part to slow the spread of the coronavirus, says the White House.
00:38:11.000Work or engage in schooling from home whenever possible.
00:38:13.000If you work in a critical infrastructure industry as defined by the DHS, such as healthcare services and pharmaceutical and food supply, you have a special responsibility to maintain your normal work schedule.
00:38:21.000Avoid social gatherings in groups of more than 10 people.
00:38:24.000Avoid eating or drinking at bars, restaurants and food courts.
00:38:26.000Use drive-thru pickup or delivery options.
00:38:28.000Avoid discretionary travel, shopping trips and social visits.
00:38:31.000Do not visit nursing homes or retirement or long-term care facilities.
00:38:36.000Sneeze or cough into a tissue or the inside of your elbow.
00:38:39.000Disinfect frequently used items and surfaces as much as possible.
00:38:43.000They also say that older people are particularly at risk.
00:38:45.000All states should follow federal guidance and halt social visits to nursing homes and retirement and long-term care facilities.
00:38:52.000And they recommend that all states shut down bars, restaurants, food courts, gyms, and other indoor and outdoor venues where groups of people congregate.
00:38:58.000So this thing is going to be rough, obviously, and President Trump has gotten serious about it.
00:39:03.000The White House has gotten serious about it.
00:39:05.000I keep repeating it, but the reality is we are not going to know how successful any of this stuff was Until we get to the summer.
00:39:32.000As I said before, that's a good thing.
00:39:34.000The fact that the numbers are climbing means that there's more tests that are now available.
00:39:39.000And there are drive-through tests that are being made available.
00:39:41.000With all of that said, Governor Andrew Cuomo is basically the tip of the spear in declaring this an emergency.
00:39:47.000He's been asking for literally tens of thousands of ICU beds from the federal government, which is something the federal government, I mean, takes time to generate that sort of stuff.
00:39:54.000Cuomo has a piece in the New York Times today, says, Dear Mr. President, the coronavirus pandemic is now upon us.
00:39:58.000Data from other countries show us clearly where we are headed.
00:40:01.000Every country affected by this crisis has handled it on a national basis.
00:40:13.000Okay, we are actually not lagging nearly as bad as Italy did.
00:40:15.000We're several days ahead of Italy in terms of our response.
00:40:19.000Cuomo says state and local governments alone simply do not have the capacity or resources to do what is necessary and we don't want a patchwork quilt of policies.
00:40:28.000Okay, but again, the federal government can declare the policies, but it's very difficult to actually effectuate those policies without the state and localities actually making that happen.
00:40:37.000And Cuomo says there is now only one question your team must answer for you.
00:40:40.000Can we slow the spread of the disease to a rate that our state health care systems can handle?
00:40:43.000The answer increasingly looks like no.
00:40:45.000That doesn't mean that we should not try.
00:40:46.000There are fewer options available at this late date.
00:40:48.000The federal government should move to implement them swiftly.
00:40:51.000You say that we need more tests, obviously, and there were screw-ups by the CDC throughout this entire process.
00:40:56.000Joe Biden falsely claimed that the president rejected WHO tests.
00:41:01.000They said they had the test and then they didn't actually have the test and somebody's head at the CDC needs to roll for that when all of this is done.
00:41:08.000Also, Cuomo suggests that we have to have closing of schools and businesses and those have federal implications.
00:41:15.000And we need to have consistency in those shutdowns.
00:41:19.000He says some things about the ability of businesses to simply cross state lines.
00:41:24.000That, I think, is a little bit exaggerated.
00:41:25.000With that said, the federal government is now engaging in commercial buying of paper, which is actually a very good thing.
00:41:30.000They need to do that because that is basically ensuring that those short-term loans that many small businesses are reliant upon don't get called in immediately.
00:41:37.000And then Cuomo's big ask is that the federal government actually mobilize the army in order to build new facilities.
00:41:43.000Cuomo says, you must anticipate without certain action, the imminent failure of hospital systems is all but certain.
00:41:48.000According to one projection, as many as 214 million people in our country could be infected over the course of the epidemic.
00:41:53.000Of those, as many as 21 million people could require hospitalization, which would crush the nation's medical system.
00:41:59.000New York State has just 53,470 hospital beds, only 3,100 of which are intensive care beds, which of course is not even close to the number that we need.
00:42:07.000Our country as a whole has fewer than 1 million staffed hospital beds, fewer proportionately than China, South Korea, or Italy.
00:42:14.000Okay, but we're also a little more spread out than South Korea or Italy, for example, and it is also true that we are obtaining the disease, at least by best available statistics, at a lower rate than some of those other countries.
00:42:26.000But do we need to build more hospitals?
00:42:46.000So all of those resources are going to be brought to bear.
00:42:48.000Okay, in just a second, we're going to get to more on this.
00:42:51.000We'll bring you the latest from the coronavirus counts, which are escalating.
00:42:56.000They've not been escalating in China, and they've not been escalating in South Korea, which is really interesting because, again, life seems to be opening up there again, which, I mean, that means that the economy will recover once this stuff is over.
00:43:07.000First, let's talk about a certain reality, and that is that if you want to keep yourself and your family safe, one thing that would be very useful at a time like this is, of course, owning a firearm.
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00:45:09.000We only have 85 deaths so far and most of those are still in the nursing homes in Washington State.
00:45:14.000About 40 of those were in a nursing home in Washington State.
00:45:17.000So those are the current statistics that we are seeing.
00:45:21.000In just a second, we're going to get to the idiotic controversy of the day.
00:45:24.000We've given you all the information, but there's an idiotic controversy of the day.
00:45:26.000The idiotic controversy of the day is that the President of the United States labeled this the Chinese virus, which of course is the end of the world.
00:45:33.000We'll get to why this is Utterly uncontroversial, and actually, it's a good thing that Trump is saying this.
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00:46:47.000So the federal government has now proposed an $850 billion emergency fiscal package.
00:46:58.000That is a good idea because if it is targeted, again, at commercial paper, it's targeted at shoring up those small businesses that don't want to have their loans called in on them.
00:47:28.000The United States will be powerfully supporting those industries like airlines and others that are particularly affected by the Chinese virus will be stronger than ever before.
00:47:34.000And everybody was like, that's so racist.
00:47:58.000Because Chinese diplomats are now pushing conspiracy theories trying to blame this on the United States.
00:48:03.000Literally, they are trying to do this.
00:48:05.000Okay, a little bit earlier last week, A prominent Chinese diplomat tweeted a conspiracy theory that the coronavirus did not originate in Wuhan, but in the United States instead.
00:48:14.000Li Hianzhao, a deputy director general of the Information Department of China's Foreign Ministry, tweeted, So China is trying to throw off its responsibility for this whole thing.
00:48:20.000one of us, please read and retweet it.
00:48:22.000COVID-19, further evidence that the virus originated in the United States.
00:48:26.000So China is trying to throw off its responsibility for this whole thing.
00:48:28.000And honestly, in the aftermath of this, if it were not apparent before, you know, I've said many times over the course of years, I am not certain that the United States Nixon administration's decision to open China was actually a good idea.
00:48:39.000We may have been better off simply continuing to economically boycott China and then let the communist regime collapse in on itself the same way that we did with the USSR.
00:48:47.000Okay, right now the rest of the world needs to seriously consider whether we should be doing business with China.
00:48:55.000Forget all of their human rights violations for the moment.
00:48:57.000Forget the fact that they keep a billion Uyghurs in abject servitude and slavery and jail conditions just because they're Muslim.
00:49:04.000Forget the fact that China has repressed a billion people in a horrific system of communist depression that has resulted in the deaths of literally hundreds of millions of unborn babies.
00:49:17.000I mean, really, like forced abortion from the 1970s through 2015 was responsible for, if not hundreds of millions of babies, at least tens of millions of babies, and the forced sterilization of millions of women.
00:49:29.000And the evil of the regime was shown for everybody to see when this virus was basically unleashed upon an unsuspecting world because the Chinese government wanted to uphold its credibility with its own citizenry.
00:49:41.000And I mean corporations, I mean governments, whether we want to continue to do business with an aggressive state that cares so little about the rest of the world that they are willing to silence their own citizens even if it means the rest of the world has to suffer death and privation and the entire world economy shutters to a halt.
00:49:58.000Okay, so yes, this should be labeled the Chinese virus.
00:50:01.000To pretend that it is not, that is a referendum on the regime.
00:50:03.000It's not a referendum on the people of China, who are great.
00:50:07.000It is not a referendum on Chinese people abroad, who are wonderful.
00:50:10.000It is a referendum on the Chinese government, which is a bag of garbage and has been a bag of garbage for decades.
00:50:15.000By the way, in breaking news, Mike Pence...
00:50:18.000is now asking construction companies to donate additional industrial masks to the medical community and forego additional orders of masks at this time, which makes sense.
00:50:50.000So if you're looking for something creepy, but not too creepy to read, go check out The Complete Tales and Poems of Edgar Allan Poe.
00:50:57.000Perhaps the greatest American writer, his command of language is absolutely beautiful.
00:51:00.000And if you want to read something that's, if you're into, you know, watching the movie Contagion and freaking yourself out, the best pandemic story, of course, is The Mask of the Red Death by Edgar Allan Poe.
00:51:09.000So if you're in a very dark mood, read that.
00:51:11.000But otherwise, Edgar Allan Poe is just a master at what he does.
00:51:14.000And, you know, his writing is beautiful.
00:51:19.000Like, now's a good time to catch up on your classics reading.
00:51:21.000So if you don't remember all that stuff you were supposed to read in high school, now's a good time to catch up on all of that.
00:51:26.000Maybe we'll dedicate one of these sort of special Daily Wire episodes that we've been doing just for our listeners and our members.
00:51:32.000Maybe we'll dedicate one of those to book choices and discussing solid book choices over the course of the next several weeks when we are all home and those of us who do not have kids may have some extra time on our hands.
00:51:41.000If you have kids, basically you're just trying to keep yourself from not going insane at this point.
00:51:44.000Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate.
00:51:50.000Bill de Blasio, the mayor of New York, is an idiot.
00:52:14.00020,000 people out sweating and coughing on each other.
00:52:16.000Just a genius move by Eric Garcetti, who also has allowed tens of thousands of homeless people to clog up the streets of Los Angeles, providing a public health risk that has been ongoing in this city for a long time.
00:52:25.000Okay, Bill de Blasio is of the same order, except more.
00:52:45.000This should be a reality where the United States is put on a war footing, where the federal government mobilizes all the resources necessary.
00:52:54.000We're going to need the United States military to come in with their substantial logistical and medical capacity.
00:53:01.000We're going to need the supply chain nationalized in some form right Okay, first of all, these are not mutually exclusive.
00:53:08.000Second of all, I do not think that mass numbers of the American military are building the border wall right now.
00:53:14.000Okay, first of all, these are not mutually exclusive.
00:53:19.000Second of all, I do not think that mass numbers of the American military are building the border wall right now.
00:53:24.000This sort of politicization is completely idiotic, but perfectly predictable, considering politics in this country never stops, even in the middle of a pandemic.
00:53:31.000That same idiot Bill de Blasio was filmed going into a YMCA to work out, despite the fact that I believe there is a current gym shutdown in New York City.
00:53:39.000You're not supposed to go to the gym because it is indeed a germ factory, and unfortunately coronavirus lives on metal for days on end, which is why you can ask people around the office.
00:53:47.000I advised them a couple, like a week ago.
00:53:49.000And I myself did this, to go out and get some gym equipment at home, have it delivered via Amazon, which by the way, thank God for Amazon.
00:53:55.000All you morons who were ripping on Amazon like five minutes ago, all you idiots who were like, Amazon's an evil, rapacious company.
00:54:00.000Guess who's keeping the country going right now?
00:54:03.000Amazon is about to hire 100,000 people because of all of the demand for people ordering online.
00:54:08.000Yes, a private company that has made your life better, still doing great work.
00:54:11.000That's the same company Bill de Blasio and AOC were raking over the coals five minutes ago.
00:54:15.000Anyway, Bill de Blasio, He was asked why he went to the gym to stay healthy and a bunch of people in New York were like, are you a moron?
00:54:23.000You just told everybody else they can't go to the gym and here you are going to the gym.
00:54:26.000Here's Bill de Blasio defending himself going to the gym when he's not murdering groundhogs.
00:54:30.000I did not for a moment think there was anything problematic because I knew the dynamics.
00:54:36.000And again, I have to stay healthy so I can make the decisions for the people of this city.
00:54:50.000Speaking of politicization, again, the politics of this country do not stop for five seconds.
00:54:54.000James Clyburn, who is the representative in South Carolina who endorsed Joe Biden and pretty much put him over the top there, put him on the path to the nomination.
00:55:01.000Yesterday, he was on Axios on HBO comparing President Trump and the Republicans to the Nazis because this crap just doesn't stop.
00:55:48.000The same people who are saying that Donald Trump is Hitler and Mike Pence is Goebbels or something.
00:55:52.000These same people are suggesting that Donald Trump needs to fully take over the entire United States economy and now shut down the entire country.
00:55:57.000Like, you're going to have to pick one.
00:55:59.000This idea that the Republican Party is Hitlerian is so hilariously ridiculous.
00:56:03.000But politics, again, does not stop, no matter the situation.
00:56:10.000Even Andrew Cuomo, who is going at it with President Trump over all of this, and Trump going right back at Andrew Cuomo over all this.
00:56:17.000I mean, this would be the time for cooperation and coordination.
00:56:20.000And if Cuomo asks for something, and Trump says, we don't have the federal resources right now, which is sort of what happened on a phone call yesterday.
00:56:26.000A bunch of governors were on the phone with Trump and they're like, can you get us ventilators?
00:56:29.000And Trump was like, you should first try and get the ventilators.
00:56:31.000We'll try to help, but we don't really have that great access either.
00:56:34.000I mean, it's not like we have a big stockpile of ventilators over here.
00:57:59.000cities shut down to stop the spread of the Wu Flu.
00:58:02.000But as we rush to save our lives, is coronavirus killing our Constitution?
00:58:06.000We will examine the surprising civics lessons of this pandemic.
00:58:10.000Then, former future Democrat governor of Florida and potential vice presidential candidate, Andrew Gillum, is found vomiting in a hotel room with a naked male prostitute and a bunch of meth.
00:58:18.000We will analyze, as it were, how the press lets him off the hook.