A huge announcement coming up in just a moment! Plus, we talk about President Trump s new travel ban on a bunch of countries trying to keep bad people out of the United States. We re joined by Elise Stefanik, who may be running for Governor of New York, into the New York mayoral debate. Plus, Tucker Carlson is attacking Mark Levin with, I guess, inside information from the White House or something.
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00:00:34.000Already, folks, today I have a huge announcement.
00:00:39.000My first book in four years is coming out on September 2nd.
00:00:45.000I started writing this book in a white heat at a specific time and place.
00:00:50.000Outside London in November 2023, where I was preparing to do a series of debates at Oxford Union and Cambridge.
00:00:56.000I'd been thinking about the themes in the book for a long, long time.
00:00:59.000It all truly crystallized after October 7th, 2023.
00:01:02.000Not because of the barbaric terrorism of the terrorist group Hamas.
00:01:06.000None of that was particularly surprising.
00:01:08.000But because of the response in the West, where hundreds of thousands of born and bred Westerners took to the streets before Israel had even responded in order to rally to the side of terrorists who murdered babies in front of their parents, women.
00:01:35.000Lions and Scavengers took shape as I traveled from Washington, D.C. to Oxford University, from the southern border of the United States with Mexico to the drug-infested areas of Kensington, Pennsylvania, from Buenos Aires, Argentina to Jerusalem, Israel.
00:01:49.000And the thesis of the book is really simple.
00:01:51.000Our civilization is now divided between lions and scavengers, and we must decide between them.
00:01:58.000So now I want to read you just the very beginning of Lions and Scavengers.
00:02:03.000Attention lies at the core of our being.
00:02:39.000The banners of terrorist groups and of communists and of transgender activists gathered together to revolt against the civilization.
00:02:45.000That has given them their rights and their prosperity and their power.
00:02:48.000These marchers have gathered to protest in favor of the terror group Hamas.
00:02:52.000It has been just a few weeks since the slaughter of 1,200 Jews and kidnapping of 250 others on October 7, 2023, in the envelopes surrounding the Gaza Strip.
00:03:00.000Members of Hamas and Palestinian civilians flooded into villages, a music festival, homes.
00:03:06.000They dragged out men, women, and children.
00:03:24.000Her comment received nearly 100,000 likes, and it spoke to the very core of the scavengers.
00:03:29.000All inhumanity against the lions is justified.
00:03:33.000And so the scavengers have gathered here in the beating heart of what was once the center of Western civilization to bathe for more blood and to scream at a West that insists that defense against terror is the first right of all men.
00:03:43.000They march with their red flags held high, ecstatically singing the praises of murderers.
00:03:48.000For this is their opportunity to castigate the lion's pride to bring it low.
00:03:53.000The British Communist Party issued a statement in solidarity with Hamas, condemning the Israeli government on the day after October 7th, before Israeli military action had even begun.
00:04:02.000Jeremy Corbyn, former leader of the Labour Party, appeared at rallies flanked by Palestinian flags.
00:04:06.000The hilariously bizarre group Queers for Palestine quickly formed in solidarity with people who would throw queers off buildings at the first available opportunity if given half a chance.
00:04:15.000Many of the most ardent libertines have thrown their support behind Hamas, claiming solidarity with those who would throw them off roofs at the first opportunity.
00:04:39.000Tolkien wrote of the hordes of Mordor, stand-ins for the Nazis and their allies by way of metaphor, gathering on the plains outside the gates of Minas Tirith, the last redoubt of mankind.
00:04:47.000Quote, The plain was dark with their marching companies, and as far as eyes could strain in the murk, there sprouted like foul fungus growth, all about the beleaguered city, great camps of tents, black or somber red.
00:04:58.000All day the labor went forward, while the men of Minas Tirith looked on, unable to hinder it.
00:05:06.000Their numbers increase, and the scavengers cast their avaricious, ravenous eyes across the landscape and see no one to oppose them.
00:05:13.000The lions are gone, and without the spirit of the lion, our civilization collapses.
00:05:19.000That is the very beginning of my brand new book, Lions and Scavengers, available for pre-order right now at dailywire.com slash ben shapiro.
00:05:27.000I think it's incredibly important, not just for you, but also for your kids, because we do need to be a civilization of lions if we want to survive.
00:05:35.000We need to teach our children to be lions and to fight the scavengers.
00:05:39.000I hope that my brand new book, Lions and Scavengers, is a fitting start because the battle continues every single day.
00:05:46.000Speaking of the scavengers, Democrats are having a very, very difficult time right now.
00:05:52.000My book, by the way, has a fair bit of optimism to it because over the course of the year, from October 2023 to election 2024, some things changed.
00:06:00.000But the sort of fascinating devolution of the Democratic Party, is a study on what it looks like when scavengers have nothing to rally around.
00:06:10.000We saw that last night in a New York mayoral debate that just exploded into chaos when all of these bizarre left-wing perspectives came into conflict.
00:06:18.000So in this New York mayoral debate, New York right now is, of course, in serious political trouble.
00:06:24.000Eric Adams has been under fire for allegations of corruption.
00:06:29.000And meanwhile, there are nine Democrats who are competing essentially to run against him.
00:06:34.000The two leading Democrats are Andrew Cuomo, the disgraced former governor of the state, who spent his term grabbing ass and killing old people, and he ran out of old people.
00:06:43.000And then he was ousted for the alleged ass-grabbage.
00:06:47.000So Andrew Cuomo is the current frontrunner in the New York mayoral race.
00:06:51.000And then the person who's running second is a person named Zoran Mamdani, who's a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.
00:07:40.000So Jessica Ramos is a New York state senator.
00:07:43.000She really has very little juice in this race.
00:07:45.000But just to show how radical the Democrats are, she suggested that because President Trump will not use federal taxpayer dollars to subsidize the transing of the children, that New Yorkers should withhold their own taxes.
00:08:00.000From a person running for New York mayor is that people should stop paying their taxes unless Donald Trump restores the ability of taxpayer dollars to fund the transing of minors.
00:08:12.000Not only should my administration litigate to protect immigrants, to protect gender-affirming care, but we should be ready to withhold our federal taxes when Trump unlawfully takes away funding from the things that we need.
00:08:29.000So unless you have open illegal immigration and transing the kids, then you should stop paying your taxes, according to a Democrat who's running for mayor of New York.
00:08:38.000She wasn't the only Democrat running for mayor.
00:08:41.000Michael Blake, former New York Assemblyman and vice chair of the DNC from 2017 to 2021, he jumped in to attack Andrew Cuomo.
00:08:48.000I have to say this was sort of amusing.
00:08:50.000He said that grandmothers don't feel safe around Andrew Cuomo because of his history of handsiness, shall we say.
00:08:56.000The people who don't feel safe are young women, mothers, and grandmothers around Andrew Cuomo.
00:09:02.000That's the greatest threat to public safety in New York City.
00:09:05.000Yeah, you have to be worried about the old people and who he might kill.
00:09:08.000I mean, good times over at the mayoral debate.
00:09:11.000Adrienne Adams is Speaker of the New York City Council.
00:09:55.000So in a little while, we're going to have on Representative Elise Stefanik, who may be running for governor of New York, to talk about what's going on here first.
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00:13:53.000He has never called on any Muslim state to be a state of equal rights ever.
00:13:56.000And when it comes to equal rights, of course, Israel is the only state in the region that actually does have equal rights for Muslims and Christians and Jews.
00:14:03.000All the other states are privileged in the region toward Muslims, like far and away, not close.
00:14:08.000In any case, that guy's running second in the New York primaries.
00:14:11.000Andrew Cuomo eventually got mad at the moderators and he started ripping into them.
00:14:16.000He was just given a chance to actually address the clear claims that were stated and ignored it.
00:14:24.000OK, we do have to move on because we have other candidates on stage and we want to hear about their subway.
00:14:30.000Mr. Schringer, can we please hear about your subway?
00:15:20.000Now, things are going well over in that New York mayoral Democratic primary.
00:15:25.000Things are going so well for the Democratic Party, in fact, that Karine Jean-Pierre, who was the White House press secretary under Joe Biden and clearly knew that the man was no longer mentally capable, she has now decided she's no longer a Democrat.
00:15:40.000It's a little late to run away from the sinking ship, especially when you are the person who actually drilled the holes into the ship.
00:15:46.000But Corrine Jean-Pierre is now trying to do that and make money off it.
00:15:48.000She has a brand new book that is coming out titled Independent, which is hilarious.
00:15:51.000The least independent independent of all time.
00:15:54.000According to Politico, Corrine Jean-Pierre's announcement that she's leaving the Democratic Party, timed with the rollout of a new book, has detonated long-simmering grievances among her former White House colleagues about Jean-Pierre's pursuit of celebrity and personal media exposure.
00:16:07.000While serving as then-president Joe Biden's press secretary, the attention-grabbing ploy lit up Democrat and Biden alumni, texting groups, and reignited frustrations that burned for years about Jean-Pierre, according to seven former Biden administration officials granted anonymity to describe private conversation.
00:16:22.000So first of all, we should point out at this point, everyone knew she was incompetent.
00:16:25.000I called her for years the world's worst White House press secretary because she was.
00:16:30.000She was awful at her job, truly terrible at her job.
00:16:36.000Because, of course, she was intersectional.
00:16:37.000She was a black lesbian who was also the White House press secretary, even though she was wildly incompetent.
00:16:42.000So you basically had a DEI hire covering for a dead man in the White House.
00:16:47.000And everybody in the Democratic Party thought this was perfectly fine until the moment it imploded in on them.
00:16:53.000According to Politico, one former official recalled that Jean-Pierre had joked about becoming an independent even while on the job in the Biden White House.
00:16:59.000An off-key comment for someone ostensibly serving as a major messenger for the Democratic Party.
00:17:04.000Another former official said that Jean-Pierre had begun working during the Biden administration with a New York-based publicist and had copied that person on official emails before some of Jean-Pierre's White House colleagues intervened.
00:17:15.000Everyone thinks this is a grift, the first former official said of Jean-Pierre's book project.
00:17:20.000And then this is the reporting for Politico.
00:17:24.000Quote, She frustrated colleagues throughout the West Wing for focusing on raising her own profile while leaving the hands-on management of media relations and the White House press shop to other aides.
00:17:42.000While it's unclear how she will portray Biden or her time in the White House in the book titled Independent, a look inside a broken White House outside the party lines, several former colleagues expressed confusion at how Jean-Pierre seemingly intends to paint Biden as a victim while pinning her own decision to leave the party on his broken White House.
00:18:01.000And it'll be fun to watch Democrats tear each other apart over all of this.
00:18:04.000And again, the sort of self-sabotage of the Democratic Party is the realistic response of a party of people who can't build things and right now are facing down a relatively impregnable Trump administration.
00:18:19.000They've just decided not to attack any of the vulnerabilities of the Trump administration.
00:18:22.000They're spending all their time focusing inward.
00:18:28.000Because the reality is that their own politics is so broken and so angry and vicious and just anti-American in so many ways that they're just tearing one another apart.
00:18:40.000You can see this in a fascinating column by David Wallace-Wells, who is a columnist for the New York Times.
00:18:46.000It's a piece titled, Our Regression on Gender is a Tragedy, Not Just a Political Problem.
00:18:51.000And this piece is all about lamenting the fact that Democrats have lost young men.
00:18:56.000The young men don't want to be part of the Democratic Party.
00:18:58.000And there's a reason young men don't want to be part of the Democratic Party.
00:19:00.000The reason is because the Democratic Party has spent literally decades telling young men that they are completely useless and or counterproductive, violent, a threat to the system, and a threat to women.
00:19:10.000When you make men feel as though they are useless and counterproductive, they are going to leave you and not be with you.
00:19:15.000That is true personally, and it is true politically.
00:19:17.000And the Democratic Party has spent years building up a feeling among young men that they are not wanted.
00:19:24.000And so, David Wallace-Wells' lament is, why won't they stick around and be part of the matriarchy, essentially?
00:19:30.000Quote, on the surface, the Trump coalition might appear powered by an unapologetic, rakish UFC party bro energy.
00:19:37.000Think of the glimpses we've gotten of Pete Hegseth's naked torso, or the way his confirmation hearings were meme-ified as a hard-ass man accused of sexual assault staring down a hectoring panel of hysterical grandmas.
00:19:46.000Or, for that matter, the time when the White House press secretary, Caroline Levitt, invited her Instagram followers to observe her working out in a sports bra.
00:19:53.000And there may not be a more representative clip about the vibe shift of 2024 than the comedian and podcaster Andrew Schultz explaining his supposed defection from the Democrats by explaining that he liked the dudes that have sex, using a crude term for female anatomy, and say whatever they want.
00:20:08.000And David Walliswell is upset about this.
00:20:12.000Well, because what this suggests is that men would actually like to be men again.
00:20:16.000And one of the things the Democratic Party has been focused on for a very long time is that men essentially need to be castrated, that men need to not be treated as men, that men's aggressive instinct to create and protect is inherently bad and insulting to women.
00:20:31.000According to Wallace Wells, in 2022, fewer than 30% of Republican men believed the proposition that women should return to their traditional roles in society, according to the views of the Electoral Research Survey assessed by a group of political scientists writing for The Times.
00:20:46.000Republican women underwent a similar surge from 23% in 2022 to 37% in 2024.
00:20:53.000Today, political scientists note, 79% of Republican men and 67% of Republican women say they believe American society has gotten too soft and feminine, with 43% of the country overall agreeing.
00:21:05.000According to Pew, the share of Republicans who say American society has gotten too accepting of men taking on traditionally female roles, like nurses, presumably, or school teachers, has grown by 40% since 2017.
00:21:14.000But that's not what those polls are saying.
00:21:16.000What they're saying is that the traditionally female role, just for all of human history, Taking care of the home doesn't mean that women can't work also.
00:21:26.000You can find women engaging in commerce going all the way back to the book of Proverbs.
00:21:30.000In fact, we Jews, every Friday night, we actually sing a song that is a quotation from the book of Proverbs that talks about all the wonderful things that women do, including being active in the marketplace.
00:21:41.000What people are rebelling against is the idea that men and women are essentially androgynous widgets, and that when men take on female roles, or females decide that they no longer need no man, That that is somehow good for society.
00:21:55.000In general, men need to be told and they need to be trained to be protectors and providers.
00:22:00.000They need to be trained to be lions, as I talk about in the new book.
00:22:03.000And women actually need, if they wish to be fulfilled, to have a part of their life that is dedicated to things like childbearing and childbearing.
00:22:12.000This is perfectly natural and there's nothing wrong with saying it.
00:22:16.000And it is specifically because the Democratic Party has said that the highest form of womanhood It's to treat, as Michelle Obama said, the reproductive system as non-reproductive.
00:22:27.000She literally said this just a week ago.
00:22:29.000She said openly that the female reproductive system, the least important thing it does is reproduce.
00:22:48.000The Democrats have run headlong away from reality, and then they are upset.
00:22:51.000When reality clocks them back into place.
00:22:53.000Coming up, Elise Stefanik will be joining us.
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00:25:42.000The movement of men away from the Democratic Party is not because they need more messaging from the terror supporter Hassan Piker who works out a lot and wears pearls.
00:26:17.000They don't generally want all the same things.
00:26:20.000There's some crossover in that Venn diagram.
00:26:22.000But men actually want to live their lives differently than women.
00:26:26.000And if you alienate men, then you're going to alienate them by telling them that they can't be men anymore.
00:26:32.000But according to David Wallace-Wells, again, they have a vision.
00:26:34.000They have a vision of a society in which men are torn to the ground.
00:26:38.000Quote, There's a reactionary turn outside the workplace, too.
00:26:42.000There's been a similar drop in surveyed backing for gay rights, with Republican support for marriage equality falling 14 points in three years, according to Gallup.
00:26:48.000And the economist YouGov reporting that nearly two-thirds of Republicans are now in opposition.
00:26:52.000By the way, the reason for that is because the promise of gay marriage back in 2013 or so, when Obergefell was decided, was that it would essentially be, okay, so men are going to marry men sometimes, and women are going to marry women sometimes, but how does that affect you and your family?
00:27:32.000When you could look back on the previous decades and probably see below the ups and downs of partisan conflict.
00:27:36.000The broad strokes of a basic cultural consensus, one that pushed toward a stronger embrace of markets and consumption in the realm of economics and toward more personal autonomy and freedom of choice in the social sphere.
00:27:45.000Like the just-so story of free markets, the just-so story of reliably expanding civil rights and opportunity looked at the time, if simplistic, also not inaccurate.
00:28:32.000It is about you forcibly decided to teach young men that they are useless and counterproductive and bad and that all basic masculinity is the same as quote-unquote toxic masculinity.
00:28:49.000And they find themselves defending some of the worst people on earth and some of the worst ideas, which is what you were seeing in that New York mayoral debate.
00:28:57.000Joining us online to discuss the state of New York is Chairwoman Elise Stefanik, who's representative for New York's 21st District, the most senior elected Republican in New York State.
00:29:06.000She's currently the chairwoman of House Republican leadership, and she recently launched a Save New York PAC design at helping Republicans in local races around the state.
00:29:13.000Representative Stefanik, thanks so much for joining the show.
00:29:26.000The debate that they had last night was a complete mess and indicative, I think, of the state of the Democratic Party in the state of New York.
00:29:33.000What do you make of the state of play in New York, which of course has been a Democratic stronghold forever at the state level and also in New York City?
00:29:39.000Well, you talk about how it's a Democratic stronghold and the result of single-party Democrat rule over years.
00:29:44.000And in fact, I've seen this over the course of my lifetime.
00:29:47.000You've seen absolutely no rule of law.
00:29:51.000You've seen putting illegals first, the highest taxed state in the nation, the least friendly to small businesses.
00:29:56.000We lead the nation in population exodus.
00:29:59.000And as a result, in the past few election cycles, no state has moved more to the Republican direction than New York state.
00:30:05.000If you look at President Trump's performance in 2024, he did historically well in communities in the Bronx and Queens, for example, than any other Republican.
00:30:21.000What is interesting today, Ben, and very concerning is you saw the Democrat mayoral primary last night, the debate, and it was the epitome of the just absolute challenges and catastrophe in today's Democrat Party.
00:30:34.000Every single candidate has been on record for defunding the police.
00:30:37.000Every single Democrat candidate has supported failed bail reform, which of course caused this crime crisis and the skyrocketing of danger in New York State.
00:30:45.000You had candidates like Zoran Mamdami, who didn't want to acknowledge Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state.
00:30:52.000You had a failure of candidates to combat and condemn anti-Semitism, which is raging on the streets of New York.
00:30:58.000And, of course, you saw what has happened at Columbia.
00:31:00.000So these are real crises, and they're created by Democrats.
00:31:04.000The polling shows that over 60% of New Yorkers want to elect someone new.
00:31:08.000And if you look at voter registration, it is increasingly Republican.
00:31:11.000So there is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to save New York once and for all.
00:31:43.000You obviously famously had all of the heads of some of the major universities in front of you who refused to condemn anti-Semitism.
00:31:50.000What do you make of the Trump administration's attempts to curb anti-Semitism by pushing on some of the funding mechanisms for these major universities?
00:31:57.000Well, I called on President Trump to do that and worked very closely with him.
00:32:01.000He followed those hearings incredibly closely.
00:32:03.000It's an issue that I've discussed with him extensively going back the past few years.
00:32:07.000And I applaud this administration for stepping in and holding these universities accountable.
00:32:12.000We saw, Ben, they had an opportunity to save themselves.
00:32:15.000They failed at the highest levels, but it is an endemic within these institutions, whether it's the offices of DEI, whether it's the rise of anti-Semitism, even previous.
00:32:27.000You see the decline of admissions of Jewish students.
00:32:30.000You see assaults, physical threats, verbal threats against Jewish students.
00:32:35.000You've seen Hillels who have been targeted at these schools across the country.
00:32:39.000You've seen professors who are spewing vile anti-Semitism, and yet they're propped up by these universities.
00:32:45.000In the state of New York, look at what has happened to Colombia.
00:32:49.000These are once great institutions that have failed at all levels.
00:32:53.000They have fundamentally lost their way.
00:32:55.000So it is important for this administration, and it's why Congress has stepped in as well to use the power of the purse when it comes to ensuring that U.S. taxpayer dollars don't go to prop up this anti-Semitism.
00:33:08.000You know, one of the things that was astonishing watching some of the debate last night was the openness toward immigration from some of the worst places on Earth and of some of the worst people.
00:33:17.000There are people on stage who are literally saying that you should withhold your tax dollars.
00:33:21.000From New York, if New York complies with federal immigration law in consilience with the Trump administration, the Trump administration right now is trying to reduce the number of people coming in from abroad who hate the country.
00:33:31.000This is something the Secretary of State Rubio has talked about, obviously, and in the aftermath of a person who pretty clearly is an illegal immigrant throwing Molotov cocktails at Jews in Boulder, Colorado for the great sin of rallying for hostages.
00:33:43.000And the Trump administration is trying to deport the family and a judge is standing in the way.
00:33:47.000It's never been more important for the White House and for the and for the federal government to stand in the way of the importation of people who hate the country, hate the West, hate Israel, hate Jews.
00:33:57.000I mean, they're not in they're not in coordination with American values.
00:34:00.000And yet there are Democrats who want to bring more of these folks in.
00:34:03.000I stand strongly with President Trump, and it is important that we take a moment to comment on the action.
00:34:25.000This is happening on U.S. soil, and it's a result of policies.
00:34:29.000And what did you see from New York Democrats?
00:34:30.000By the way, a party that Kathy Hochul leads, you saw that they want more illegals, that they're putting illegals first, but they also want to keep importing people that...
00:34:44.000And that's why you are seeing electorally increasing numbers of votes in key parts of New York moving towards the Republican direction, because enough is enough.
00:34:53.000You also heard on the debate stage last night the fact that they want to continue using U.S. taxpayer dollars for illegals housing, for illegals health care, for illegals first and New Yorkers last.
00:35:05.000New Yorkers want to put New Yorkers first, and that's what I intend to do.
00:35:09.000That's what I've done in Congress, and we're going to be supporting candidates to do that at the local and all levels up and down the ballot.
00:35:15.000Now, speaking of your role in Congress, obviously the big, beautiful bill has just recently passed Congress.
00:35:20.000It is now sitting in the Senate where it's being renegotiated, and then eventually there will be reconciliation between the bills that come forth from both houses.
00:35:27.000What do you make of the debate over the big, beautiful bill?
00:35:58.000And that's why I'm still in Congress, to make sure that we hold this House majority.
00:36:01.000And I was proud to cast that deciding vote.
00:36:04.000There are going to be bumps along the road, as there always is when you work.
00:36:08.000Currently, the Senate, this bill is in front of the Senate.
00:36:10.000There's a lot of discussions, but it needs to be a bill that can come back and pass the House, given our very slim majority.
00:36:15.000So we are working very hard to stand up for the American people.
00:36:18.000Again, the key provisions are the border security aspect, the economic package of that, whether it's the tax provisions or energy independence.
00:36:25.000So yes, I know the day-to-day news headlines can make it seem rocky, but we've been able to deliver.
00:36:31.000And most importantly, President Trump has been able to deliver and has a way to be able to work with All of these members, all of whom he knows, including all the senators, all the House Republicans, to get this done for the American people.
00:36:42.000And I'm particularly proud of the important economic piece is cutting taxes, not only for Americans, but specifically for New Yorkers, which has been a very important part of our delegation's effort.
00:36:54.000So Representative Stefanik, you're also on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
00:36:58.000Obviously, one of the big issues at the forefront of what the president has been considering right now is negotiations with Iran over their nuclear program.
00:37:06.000He has said for 10 years that the Obama JCPOA is the worst deal in the history of mankind.
00:37:11.000He has said clearly and concisely that there should be no nuclear development in Iran, period.
00:37:16.000What do you make of the intelligence that's coming in about Iran's actual nuclear development, their levels of nuclear development, how urgent is the situation, and what do you make of the negotiating strategy of the United States?
00:37:26.000Well, first of all, President Trump is the master negotiator.
00:37:30.000We have seen this, whether it's the Abraham Accords, whether it is his trade deals, and it will be the case in this as well.
00:37:36.000I absolutely—we need to make sure that it is zero, zero.
00:37:40.000No nuclear—not for power, not for anything.
00:37:43.000It needs to be zero nuclear resources when it comes to Iran.
00:37:47.000And the president has stated that over and over again, and the president is in the position to be able to deliver on that.
00:37:53.000I am deeply concerned Iran is just a— We know that Iran is the backing of Hamas and Hezbollah, and of course that led to October 7th, the bloodiest day for the Jewish people since the Holocaust.
00:38:16.000So we need to see this regime for what it is.
00:38:19.000It's a regime of terror, and we can never let them get a nuclear weapons capability.
00:38:26.000What have you seen in terms of the intelligence that you can reveal with regard to Iran's nuclear program?
00:38:31.000I know, obviously, there's a lot of dyspepsy among Republicans, and there has been for a long time because of all of the botched intelligence around the Iraq War.
00:38:37.000So what do we actually know about Iran's nuclear program?
00:38:40.000You know, I can't get into the specific intelligence that I'm seeing, Ben.
00:38:43.000You know, that's done in a classified setting.
00:38:46.000What I can say that is we have been crystal clear, the House Republicans and this administration, that this will be zero when it comes to nuclear weapons capability.
00:38:54.000We can never let Iran get a nuclear weapon.
00:38:57.000And that has been clear from the from the first term under President Trump.
00:39:14.000A little later on in the show, I'm going to get to Tucker Carlson attacking Mark Levin.
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00:41:22.000Meanwhile, President Trump has correctly announced yet another travel ban.
00:41:26.000You remember during his first administration, there was all sorts of Last night, he said it again, as we should.
00:41:38.000Why are we importing people who are unvetted from countries that, generally speaking, do not have cultures that adhere to American values or are even friendly to American values?
00:42:19.000Here's President Trump yesterday, correctly.
00:42:21.000Very simply, we cannot have open migration from any country where we cannot safely and reliably vet and screen those who seek to enter the United States.
00:42:31.000That is why today I am signing a new executive order placing travel restrictions on countries including Yemen, Somalia, Haiti, Libya, and numerous others.
00:42:45.000The strength of the restrictions we're applying depends on the severity of the threat posed.
00:42:51.000The list is subject to revision based on whether material improvements are made, and likewise new countries can be added as threats emerge around the world.
00:43:03.000This is perfectly rational, in the same way that it is perfectly rational for Secretary of State Marco Rubio to say that we are not going to allow visa holders to come to the United States hating America and then just overstay their visas.
00:43:13.000It turns out that when they do that, Sometimes they're really, really bad, and they don't help the American body politic.
00:43:19.000And there is a left-wing sentiment in the United States that somehow we owe everyone on Earth citizenship in the United States.
00:43:25.000And if they come to tear down the society, so much the better.
00:43:27.000Because after all, we bear some sort of blood guilt for the fact that there are other countries that are less successful on Earth.
00:43:32.000It's a stupid proposition, but it has come to dominate a lot of the talk on the left.
00:43:36.000The ban will fully restrict entry of nationals from 12 countries, according to CNN.
00:43:41.000Afghanistan, Myanmar, also known as Burma, Chad, Republic of the Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen.
00:43:49.000There are another seven countries that have partial restriction.
00:43:52.000That'd be Burundi, Cuba, Laos, Sierra Leone, The proclamation includes exceptions for lawful permanent residents, existing visa holders, certain visa categories, and individuals whose entry actually serves American interests.
00:44:07.000One of the critiques that I've had of the Trump administration is that sometimes I love This is a well calibrated policy.
00:44:18.000Obviously, it's a leftover from Trump won when they actually had to slug it out over this policy.
00:44:24.000White House Deputy Press Secretary Abigail Jackson wrote, quote, President Trump is fulfilling his promise to protect Americans from dangerous foreign actors that want to come to our country and cause us harm.
00:44:32.000These common sense restrictions are country specific and include places that lack proper vetting, exhibit high visa overstay rates, or fail to share identity and threat information.
00:44:41.000I mean, yes, that makes, again, all of this makes perfect, perfect sense.
00:44:47.000And the reality, which is that left-wing judges are now trying to make sure that bad people stay in the United States means it's even more important to make sure these people never come to the United States in the first place.
00:44:58.000As I mentioned, according to the Washington Post, a federal judge on Wednesday barred the Trump administration from deporting the wife and children of an Egyptian man accused of throwing Molotov cocktails at a pro-Israel demonstration in Colorado.
00:45:09.000By the way, it wasn't a pro-Israel demonstration.
00:45:11.000Pro-hostage demonstration, trying to free the hostages.
00:45:15.000U.S. District Judge Gordon Gallagher found that deporting the family, quote, without process, could cause irreparable harm and said he was issuing his order due to the urgency the situation presents.
00:45:24.000The development came after lawyers for Hayam El Gamal and her five children filed an emergency petition earlier in the day arguing that their detentions were illegal.
00:45:32.000Now, again, it is worth noting that these people are in the country illegally.
00:45:40.000They claimed asylum, falsely, and then they've been here ever since.
00:45:46.000Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said that ICE had detained Soliman's wife and children, and the Trump administration said that they would process their cases via expedited removals.
00:45:59.000In the court filing Wednesday seeking the family's release, lawyers said the couple and their children had applied for and obtained visitor visas and entered the United States in August of 2022.
00:46:09.000Suleman quickly applied for asylum for the entire family in September 2022.
00:46:13.000So they got visitor visas, and within a month, they had been trying to get asylum visas.
00:46:18.000Those were handed out like candy by the Biden administration.
00:46:22.000The basic rule was, if you claimed asylum, they just gave you asylum status.
00:47:17.000According to the Wall Street Journal, the Trump administration attacked Columbia University's accreditation, arguing the school is in violation of federal anti-discrimination laws.
00:47:25.000The Education Department told the organization through which Columbia is accredited that the school has violated civil rights law over its handling of campus anti-Semitism and no longer appears to meet the standards for accreditation at all.
00:47:37.000That doesn't actually revoke Colombia's accreditation, which would basically destroy the university, but it's a significant escalation of the government's battle with the school.
00:47:44.000The government urged the accreditor to work with the school to make sure it comes into full compliance with federal law.
00:47:51.000Colombia said it's aware of the government's concern and it's addressing them directly with the accreditor.
00:47:55.000So the administration is opening up all of the guns on these universities that are in violation of the Civil Rights Act.
00:48:00.000Now again, I hear all these people right on the left say, well, what about the free speech of the universities?
00:48:10.000The Civil Rights Act applies to Jews the same as it applies to black people, the same as it applies to Hispanic people.
00:48:16.000You may not like the Civil Rights Act.
00:48:18.000I mean, I think that there are elements of the Civil Rights Act that go too far.
00:48:21.000I've been saying this literally my entire career, controversially.
00:48:24.000Barring government discrimination, good.
00:48:27.000Moving into the private sphere and regulating private conduct, problematic from a First Amendment constitutional perspective.
00:48:32.000But can we stop pretending for a hot second?
00:48:35.000That the left has not completely restructured American life by using the Civil Rights Act as a club against all of its political enemies for as long as it has existed.
00:49:31.000So now you're all hot and bothered because President Trump is actually invoking the Civil Rights Act to tell you to abide by the very laws that you yourself espoused.
00:51:52.000He shared Warren's post on the social media platform X from Friday where she agreed with President Trump that the debt limit should be scrapped and called for a bipartisan bill to get rid of it forever.
00:52:04.000Okay, again, the sort of idea of unlimited debt where Congress has no say, that is in fact a bad idea.
00:52:12.000And President Trump has been pushing for it for quite a while.
00:52:16.000Rand Paul is offering an off-ramp here.
00:52:36.000But I still would support the tax cuts and some spending cuts.
00:52:40.000If they weren't forcing conservatives to vote to raise the debt ceiling $5 trillion.
00:52:46.000That concerns me because when you extend the debt ceiling, this will be the largest increase in the debt ceiling ever.
00:52:52.000This will be the first time that Republicans alone will be responsible for the debt.
00:52:57.000The debt will be basically owned by Republicans.
00:52:59.000And I'm not for borrowing $5 trillion over the next two years.
00:53:03.000I've told the president if they will separate the debt ceiling vote out.
00:53:07.000They very may well have my vote on this.
00:53:12.000Okay, so again, not a terrible perspective from Rand Paul, basically saying that if you get rid of the attempt to leverage out the debt ceiling, that that will be something he'll vote for.
00:53:28.000Speaker Johnson, for his part, says that he's surprised by Elon Musk's criticisms because this is a bill about keeping the tax rates the same.
00:53:34.000And it actually does make cuts as opposed to what was going to happen without the bill.
00:53:56.000You know, policy differences are not personal.
00:54:02.000Now, again, I think that Speaker Johnson is correct about this.
00:54:06.000The CBO is saying that the Big Beautiful Bill would add $2.4 trillion to the deficit over the next 10 years and leave something like 11 million people without health insurance.
00:54:16.000That's not actually what would happen.
00:54:17.000It would actually happen as people would shift onto private health insurance.
00:54:20.000States would pick up a lot of the burden here.
00:54:22.000One of the things that's happening is that the federal government, in putting work requirements, for example, on Medicaid, would just shift that burden over to the states, who presumably would then increase the amount they're spending on their own Medicaid.
00:54:33.000But the bottom line in all of this is that without the bill, recession is coming.
00:54:37.000That is a point made by the director of the Office of Management and Budget, Russ Vogt.
00:54:41.000He says, listen, we would love to bend the cost curve, but the reality is that if the taxes increase, we've got a recession on our hands.
00:54:48.000If H.R. 1 fails, if whatever comes back from the Senate fails to get to the desk of the president and signed into law, what happens at the end of this year?
00:55:15.000It is a bill that prevents the taxes from increasing.
00:55:19.000They point out, we are now at the Congressional Budget Office panic stage of the budget debate as Democrats in the press pretend to care about the federal deficit and debt.
00:55:26.000Congress's budget gnomes estimate that the House bill would add $2.4 trillion to the federal deficit over 10 years.
00:55:32.000This includes what CBO says are some $5.3 trillion in tax cuts, offset by some $2.9 trillion in tax increases and spending reductions.
00:55:40.000The report kicked off the usual wailing and gnashing of teeth whenever Republicans propose to reduce taxes, though not when Democrats are advocating.
00:55:46.000Do you remember the consternation when Joe Biden and Democrats passed their Inflation Reduction Act?
00:56:09.000It estimated the 2010 federal takeover of student loans would raise money for the government, but instead it cost the Treasury hundreds of billions of dollars.
00:56:16.000And the Wall Street Journal acknowledges that there's a bunch of problems with the bill.
00:56:27.000Add that to President Trump's tariffs, and a recession becomes probable.
00:56:31.000And if there's a recession, then the deficit actually soars because economic growth has to occur in order for there to be higher tax revenues.
00:56:38.000Speaking of the tariffs, by the way, the Congressional Budget Office delivered two reports yesterday.
00:56:42.000One was about the probable impact of the bill.
00:56:45.000They say a $2.4 trillion increase in the debt based on But they also put out a report about the tariffs.
00:56:56.000And this report is kind of fascinating because this report says that the tariffs announced through May 13th would actually reduce the cumulative budget deficit by $3 trillion or $2.8 trillion after adjusting for the hit they caused to growth and investment.
00:57:09.000So in other words, if the tariffs stayed in place and the tax cuts went through and you added it all together, theoretically, the budget deficit should decrease.
00:57:18.000Because if you are getting $2.8 trillion of reduction in the budget deficit from the tariffs and $2.4 billion in increase in the budget deficit from the tax cuts, that is a net of $400 billion to the federal government.
00:57:33.000CBO also calculated the tariff policies will increase inflation by 0.4 percentage points in 2025 and 2026, reducing the purchasing power of households and businesses.
00:57:44.000Now, again, the CBO has opened up critiques on all sides.
00:57:47.000I think you can say that the CBO is far too optimistic about democratic spending.
00:57:51.000I think, frankly, they're far too optimistic about the tariffs.
00:57:54.000I think the idea that the tariffs are going to bring in that level of revenue, I have my doubts on all of that for sure, especially because I think people, if the tariffs are high enough that people stop buying from abroad, then you don't make tariff revenue.
00:58:07.000If the tariffs are not high enough and people keep importing stuff from abroad, you don't get a reconstruction of the manufacturing base in the United States.
00:58:17.000That puzzle was made clear by the Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick yesterday, who seemed to be sort of unclear on whether tariffs are good in and of themselves, or whether the goal is to get other countries to lower their tariffs in reciprocal fashion.
00:58:30.000There was a pretty fascinating exchange he had with Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana.
00:58:35.000Are you or are you not seeking reciprocity in these trade deals?
00:58:39.000We are absolutely seeking reciprocity with respect to things that can be reciprocal.
00:58:45.000But you just said that if a country came to you and offered you the ultimate reciprocity, no tariffs, no trade barriers, in return for us doing the same, you would reject that.
00:59:01.000Of course, because they buy from China and send it to us.
00:59:16.000So the problem for Lutnik is that Lutnik believes that tariffs are inherently good, that they bring in revenue.
00:59:21.000And so his idea is that we should keep the tariffs on countries, even if they offer us basically zero tariffs and zero non-tariff barriers.
00:59:31.000Or are we actually just tariffing people because we think tariffs are inherently good?
00:59:35.000This is one of the conflicts inside the tariff policy.
00:59:39.000All of this sort of unease and unrest in the markets means that the Federal Reserve is less likely to move.
00:59:46.000So Jerome Powell yesterday announced that the rates would remain unchanged, mainly due to the uncertainty in the market.
00:59:51.000So yeah, inflation is down year on year.
00:59:52.000It's down to about 2.1%, which is where you want it to be.
00:59:55.000That doesn't mean it's time to open the spigot, says Jerome Powell, because we don't know what's happening, really.
01:00:00.000In support of our goals, today the Federal Open Market Committee decided to leave our policy interest rate unchanged.
01:00:07.000The risks of higher unemployment and higher inflation appear to have risen, and we believe that the current stance of monetary policy leaves us well positioned to respond in a timely way to potential economic developments.
01:00:22.000So what he's saying is we still don't know how this is going to shake out and we would like to have the tool in our arsenal of being able to lower interest rates if things actually do start to slow down.
01:00:41.000And as I've said a thousand times at this point, uncertainty is its own form of risk when it comes to the markets.
01:00:47.000Meanwhile, on the foreign policy front, a wide variety of countries are reorienting not toward the United States, but toward China in the aftermath of the trade war.
01:00:58.000who rose from childhood poverty to become South Korea's leading liberal politician, vowing to fight inequality and corruption, will become the country's next president on Wednesday, according to the Associated Press, after an election that closed one of the most turbulent chapters in the Young Democracy.
01:01:11.000Lee is the candidate of the Liberal Opposition Democratic Party and is taking office for a full single five-year term, succeeding Yoon Suk-yeol, the conservative, who's felled because he briefly imposed martial law back in December, claiming that essentially the parliament was thwarting his efforts to actually do anything.
01:01:29.000Unclear what this is going to mean for foreign policy.
01:01:31.000But Lee has been accused by his critics of tilting toward China and North Korea and away from the United States and Japan.
01:01:39.000And he apparently is reluctant to negotiate with the United States over tariff rates on Korea.
01:01:45.000Instead, he seems to want to negotiate more with the North Koreans and with the Chinese.
01:02:01.000His critics view him as a dangerous populist.
01:02:05.000He has promised to develop an alliance with the United States and solidify the Seoul-Washington-Tokyo partnership.
01:02:11.000But we will see whether that is true or not, or whether he is going to reorient toward China.
01:02:17.000Again, when it comes to the tariff hikes, apparently he's reluctant to actually restructure.
01:02:23.000And one of the problems with declaring a tariff war is there are people on the other side who may not very much like the tariffs that are being levied on them and may in fact respond in a rather different way.
01:02:33.000Speaking of shifts away from America based on the trade war, Canada is doing the same thing.
01:02:37.000According to Politico, the new finance minister, François-Philippe Champagne, is signaling a bold shift in Canadian defense spending, one where the military is a national priority.
01:02:47.000They want to rebuild their armed forces and rebuild their infrastructure.
01:02:50.000They're not going to actually buy their stuff from the United States.
01:02:54.000Instead, apparently, they want to buy their stuff from Europe.
01:02:57.000They're reorienting away from the United States.
01:03:01.000So, and that is one of the predictable results of the fact that the United States has drawn itself away from Canada.
01:03:07.000And there's geopolitical risks to the kind of games that are being played economically.
01:03:11.000And what we are watching in real time is the development of regional blocs all over the world.
01:03:17.000You're seeing this happen in Europe as well.
01:03:20.000So in Ukraine, Vladimir Putin continues to be wildly intransigent about any sort of serious negotiation.
01:03:27.000And that means that the Europeans are going to have to step up weaponry production.
01:03:32.000The United States seems to be, despite Putin's intransigence, actually drawing down our support for Ukraine.
01:03:39.000So, for example, the Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that the Trump administration is redirecting a key anti-drone technology earmarked for Ukraine to American forces, a move that reflects the Pentagon's waning commitment to Kiev's defenses.
01:03:50.000The Pentagon quietly notified Congress last week that special fuses for rockets that Ukraine uses to shoot down Russian drones are now being allocated to U.S. Air Force units in the Middle East.
01:03:58.000Now, to be fair, that may not be about Ukraine.
01:04:00.000That might be about the risks of Iran, which we'll get to in a moment.
01:04:04.000However, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth skipped a meeting Wednesday at NATO with European defense ministers on coordinating military aid to Ukraine.
01:04:12.000He's warned European allies must provide the overwhelming share of future military assistance to Kyiv while casting the Western Pacific As the Pentagon's priority theater.
01:04:20.000Again, if the idea is we need to shift resources to fight off China over Taiwan, that's fine.
01:04:26.000Or if the idea is that we need to shift resources to prevent the nuclearization of Iran, that's fine.
01:04:31.000If the ideas were just withdrawing from Ukraine, not so fine.
01:04:35.000Because, of course, Russia continues to be on the move throughout all of this.
01:04:41.000The Russian government continues to be very loud in its rejection of calls for peace talks.
01:04:47.000Senior Kremlin official Dmitry Medvedev, who was formerly the president of Russia, when essentially Putin stepped out of the position for a moment and was using him as a marionette.
01:04:58.000He wrote on Twitter, quote, that negotiations in Istanbul are not aimed at a compromise peace based on someone else's delusional terms.
01:05:04.000The goal instead is, quote, our swift victory and the complete destruction of the neo-Nazi regime, which is how they describe Zelensky's government in Kiev.
01:05:12.000President Trump said on Wednesday that he had spoken by phone to Vladimir Putin for 75 minutes.
01:05:36.000Again, the Trump foreign policy is still taking shape along a wide variety of lines.
01:05:42.000NATO's Mark Rudy is saying that Russia is producing four times more weapons in a year than all of NATO.
01:05:47.000So, even if the United States wishes to withdraw from its support of Ukraine, if that happens right away, that's a disaster area for Ukraine and for NATO.
01:05:55.000At the very least, we need to cover until NATO fills the gap.
01:05:59.000First of all, let's agree why it is necessary to spend so much more.
01:06:03.000That is because the Russian threat is there, is there for the long term, and the Russians, as we speak, are reconstituting themselves at a rapid pace.
01:06:11.000I mentioned this number before, the fact that with only having only a 2 trillion economy compared to a 50 trillion economy for NATO, 25 times bigger, they producing four times more in terms of ammunition than the whole of NATO is doing.
01:06:28.000They produce in three months what the whole of NATO is producing in a year, whilst they are only 2 trillion compared to our 50 trillion, so 25 times smaller than NATO.
01:06:45.000At the same time, if we leave a gap big enough for Putin to drive a Mack truck through, that's going to be a major problem for NATO and for broader American defense priorities.
01:06:53.000Meanwhile, speaking of foreign policy threats, Iran makes clear every single day that they are not interested in denuclearization.
01:06:59.000The reason being, presumably, that their entire pitch to their people is that they need to become a nuclear power in order to threaten the Jewish state The regime remains in place.
01:07:10.000Because what Iran knows, by looking at North Korea, for example, is that you can completely repress your people for literally generations the minute you have one nuclear warhead.
01:07:18.000And you can threaten people around you in more solid fashion.
01:07:23.000Well, Iran keeps saying this over and over and over.
01:07:25.000So the United States has sent over, of course, Steve Woodcoff, the special envoy, to negotiate.
01:07:30.000President Trump has said over and over for more than 10 years at this point that the JCPOA, the Barack Obama era, Terrible Iran nuclear deal was, in fact, the worst deal ever cut by an American president.
01:07:42.000Iran's supreme leader is saying the opposite.
01:07:44.000So, yesterday, he effectively rejected a U.S. proposal that would allow even temporary uranium enrichment in the country before ending it completely.
01:07:53.000Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, speaking Wednesday on the anniversary of the death of his predecessor, said the recent U.S. offer to Iran to resolve the standoff over Tehran's nuclear program breached Tehran's principles of independence.
01:08:02.000Quote, To the American side and others, we say, why are you interfering and trying to say whether Iran should have uranium enrichment or not?
01:08:40.000Last week, President Trump's Special Envoy Steve Whitcoff submitted what the United States called a term sheet to Tehran, which one official said allowed Iran to enrich a limited amount of uranium for a period of time before phasing it out.
01:08:50.000So that was better than any prior sort of offer, and Iran turned even that down publicly.
01:08:59.000There would be a consortium that would presumably allow Iran to have peaceful nuclear energy, but it would be run by non-Iranians.
01:09:04.000And Iran's like, nope, we're not doing that.
01:09:42.000He says, Mark Levin was at the White House today lobbying for war with Iran.
01:09:45.000To be clear, Levin has no plans to fight in this or any other war.
01:09:47.000This is one of Tucker's schticks, is that if you are not currently serving in the military, then you have to be in favor of apparently dismantling the American military or something like that.
01:09:56.000The basic argument seems to be that unless you personally plan to fight in a war, then you can never be in favor of American military threat or intervention on any level, which is a weird position to take because I assume he doesn't take that position about the police, that unless you're a member of the police force, you have to be in favor of the police never policing crime.
01:10:14.000I don't mean here that we are the world's policemen or anything like that.
01:10:17.000I mean that civilians in the United States have opinions that they vote on on what the non-civilians do.
01:11:03.000It has been a Donald J. Trump position for well over a decade.
01:11:07.000So if Tucker wants to argue with somebody on that, he should be arguing with the President of the United States.
01:11:12.000By the way, that also happens to be the stated position of the Vice President of the United States, the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of Defense.
01:11:19.000So if Tucker is in favor of the proposition that no one needs to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons, perhaps you should take it up with the administration.
01:11:28.000Quote, if this sounds familiar, it's because the same people have been making the same claim since at least the 1990s.
01:11:52.000Or you're a liar, is I guess the two choices.
01:11:55.000If the U.S. government knew Iran was weak from possessing a nuclear weapon, we'd be at war already.
01:11:59.000But I thought that we wouldn't be at war already, even if Iran was weeks from possessing a nuclear weapon, because we don't care if Iran has a nuclear weapon, according to Tucker.
01:12:05.000By the way, people who say that Iran is developing a nuclear weapon and nuclear fuel and all that, that would be the IAEA, which...
01:12:20.000One suggesting that on Saturday, again, the IAEA is not a Zionist outlet, okay?
01:12:24.000The IAEA published Saturday that Iran has accumulated more than 400 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium.
01:12:31.000Civilian nuclear energy is like 3.67%.
01:12:33.000The only reason you're enriching to 60% is to get to a bomb.
01:12:36.000If enriched to 90%, such a quantity is enough for 10 nuclear bombs.
01:12:40.000A second IAEA report published Saturday made clear that Iran hasn't given satisfactory answers to IAEA investigations regarding several undeclared nuclear sites in the country.
01:12:53.000Beyond which, here are tweets from the Ayatollah Khamenei over the course of the last week.
01:12:57.000Thanks to the intelligence of our youth and the dedication of our scientists, Iran has succeeded in achieving a complete nuclear fuel cycle.
01:13:03.000So today we're capable of producing nuclear fuel, starting from the mine and all the way to the power plant.
01:13:11.000Quote, A few years ago, one of the U.S. presidents said he would dismantle the nuts and bolts of Iran's nuclear industry if he could.
01:13:28.000Of course, he admitted that he couldn't.
01:13:30.000Those in power today, the Zionists and the Americans, should know they can't do a damn thing in this area.
01:13:34.000So, who's talking about nuclear power?
01:13:41.000That seems like fairly solid evidence.
01:13:43.000Actually, like publicly stated evidence.
01:13:45.000And that's not even getting into whatever is in the SCIF, whatever is in the special intelligence rooms.
01:13:49.000So unless Tucker has some secret knowledge, which he probably should share with the world, that Iran is not developing nuclear weapons and has no plans to, contra literally all available intelligence, then maybe he should reveal it.
01:14:01.000Tucker says Iran knows this, which is why they aren't building one.
01:14:04.000They're not building a nuclear weapon.
01:14:05.000Iran also knows it's unwise to give up its weapons programs entirely.
01:14:08.000So now he's trying to say that Iran isn't building one, but also they are building one because if they were to give up building one, then bad things would happen.
01:14:35.000Well, Mark Gaddafi had given up his nuclear weapons and the attempted overthrow and successful overthrow of the government of Libya did not end in good fashion for the United States, considering the burning of the embassy in Benghazi and the killing of our diplomats.
01:14:49.000He says as soon as Gaddafi disarmed, NATO killed him.
01:15:24.000And that if you actually do, Well, I've never suggested that Iran is going to nuke Los Angeles.
01:15:52.000I've suggested that Iran is a threat to all of our regional allies at the very least.
01:15:56.000And we'll reshape the map of the Middle East, which has serious resource implication and alliance implications for countries that Tucker likes, like Qatar, for example, or the UAE or Saudi Arabia.
01:16:07.000Saudi Arabia and UAE are virulently opposed to an Iran nuclear program.
01:16:12.000So, talking about manufacturing hysteria, then he gets to the manufacturing hysteria section here.
01:16:51.000Because it's not the weapons he hates, it's the ideology of the Iranian government, which is why he's lobbying to overthrow it.
01:16:56.000Well, it's not just the weapons, it is also the ideology.
01:17:00.000Like, the UK has nuclear weapons, and I don't oppose the UK having nuclear weapons because their ideology does not oppose the West and call us the Great Satan.
01:17:08.000So yeah, I'm a little more concerned when a country that calls America the Great Satan has nuclear weapons than when France has nuclear weapons, or Israel has nuclear weapons, or India has nuclear weapons.
01:17:18.000He says it goes without saying there are very few Trump voters who'd support a regime change war in Iran.
01:18:03.000No one is advocating for a full-scale war with Iran.
01:18:06.000We did not go to full-scale war with Iran when Ronald Reagan sank their entire navy in 1988.
01:18:12.000And then there's the question of the war itself.
01:18:14.000So here is Tucker's hysteria about what it would mean for there to be a strike on nuclear facilities.
01:18:19.000Iran may not have nukes, but it has a fearsome arsenal of ballistic missiles, many of which are aimed at U.S. military installations.
01:18:42.000A surge in oil prices would be very short-lived considering that all the major oil producers who are not Iran are allied with the United States against the Iranian nuclear program, including, by the way, the United States, the number one oil producer on planet Earth.
01:18:54.000Right now, the price of oil is so low that we're not even opening new fracking wells in the United States.
01:19:00.000Saudi doesn't want an Iranian nuclear program.
01:19:02.000UAE does not want an Iranian nuclear program.
01:19:05.000When he says the first week of a war with Iran would easily kill thousands of Americans or could, I assume he said the same thing about Qasem Soleimani.
01:19:15.000If Iran were actually to fire a bunch of ballistic missiles at American military bases around the region, we would, in fact, use our air power to decapitate the regime, and they know it.
01:19:23.000Which is why, for example, after Israel completely defenestrated its own air defense, it didn't launch several thousand missiles at Israel because it knew that if it had done that, then there would have been full-scale attempts to decapitate the regime.
01:19:39.000It is a weaker-than-expected regime militarily.
01:19:41.000Its terror proxies all over the region have been wildly hampered, including Hezbollah, which is so ineffective that it lost Syria, not just Lebanon.
01:19:49.000Tucker says, the second week of the war could be even worse.
01:19:52.000Iran isn't Iraq or Libya or even North Korea.
01:19:54.000While it's often described as a rogue state, Iran has powerful allies.
01:19:57.000It's now part of a global bloc called BRICS, which represents the majority of the world's landmass population economy and military power.
01:20:03.000Iran has extensive military ties with Russia.
01:20:05.000It sells the overwhelming majority of its oil exports to China.
01:20:09.000An attack on Iran could very easily become a world war which we would lose.
01:20:11.000So his theory now is that the BRICS nations will suddenly solidify as an axis against the United States if we hit their nuclear facilities or if Israel does?
01:21:01.000They're going to join a military actual alliance with Iran, is the theory.
01:21:06.000China is going to join a military alliance with Iran, sufficient that they're going to get involved in a world war around losing its nuclear facilities?
01:22:13.000Russia can't even handle the Ukrainians right now.
01:22:15.000So his theory is that if the Iranian nuclear facilities are blown up by Israel or by the United States in the absence of some sort of basic capitulation to Iran.
01:22:26.000Then Brazil, Russia, China, India, Ethiopia, South Africa, Egypt, UAE, and Indonesia are all going to jump in on the side of Iran to launch a world war against the United States.
01:22:37.000And he's saying that people who worry about the Iranian nuclear program are hysterical?
01:24:36.000The one thing that people like Mark Levin don't want is a peaceful solution to the problem of Iran, despite the obvious benefits to the United States, says Tucker.
01:24:43.000Well, actually, I'm sure that Mark would very much like a peaceful resolution of the problem in Iran.
01:24:48.000If Iran, for example, were to say we will give up all nuclearization efforts monitored by the United States today and we will stop building ballistic missile programs and we'll stop supporting terror groups all over the region, I'm sure Mark would be on board.
01:25:32.000What we've said, what I've said about Steve Witkoff is that Steve Witkoff appears to not be a particularly useful special envoy and that Steve Witkoff has deep and abiding business relationships with Qatar, which is true.
01:25:50.000Now you get into the emotional and overwrought and rather hysterical characterization of his enemies as they'll say or do whatever it takes.
01:26:03.000If something can be characterized as hysterical here, it would be this post from Tucker.
01:26:07.000And I felt like it was worth going through in detail because there are so many factual errors and logical mistakes here that it demonstrates, I think, a serious flaw in thinking.
01:26:15.000Again, President Trump has made clear that JCPOA was a bad deal because it was.
01:27:10.000What special knowledge does Tucker Carlson have about What special insight does he have into what goes on in the Oval Office and why?
01:27:20.000I mean, like the secret meetings that are happening or people who are talking in the Oval Office, somebody is leaking to him.
01:27:26.000And finally, what is the logical proposition that is even being expressed here other than in the end, that Tucker doesn't care if Iran goes nuclear?
01:28:10.000If he thinks that's fine, that at least is an honest conversation.
01:28:13.000But imputing to all of his opponents a lack of patriotism, a hatred for American troops, a lack of concern about American soldiers' lives in the Middle East, a desire, a deeply rooted desire for a full-scale war with Iran, imputing those motives and opinions to people who literally do not hold those motives and opinions is scurrilous.
01:28:34.000It's scurrilous, whether he's doing it about Mark, whether he's doing it about me, whether he's doing it about others.
01:28:39.000And we should note that the position that he is taking a position against, a non-nuclear Iran, is the opposite of President Trump's position and has been, again, for a decade.
01:28:48.000By the way, I will say it again because I've said it now about a thousand times.
01:28:51.000Tucker has said many things about me over the course of the last almost two years at this point.
01:28:56.000And I've offered him multiple times, publicly and privately, to come on the show or have a discussion anywhere about these topics.