The Ben Shapiro Show - A Big Announcement! Plus Trump’s NEW Travel Ban!

00:00:00.000 Tons coming up on today's show.

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00:00:34.000 Already, folks, today I have a huge announcement.

00:00:39.000 My first book in four years is coming out on September 2nd.

00:00:43.000 It's titled Lions and Scavengers.

00:00:45.000 I started writing this book in a white heat at a specific time and place.

00:00:50.000 Outside London in November 2023, where I was preparing to do a series of debates at Oxford Union and Cambridge.

00:00:56.000 I'd been thinking about the themes in the book for a long, long time.

00:00:59.000 It all truly crystallized after October 7th, 2023.

00:01:02.000 Not because of the barbaric terrorism of the terrorist group Hamas.

00:01:06.000 None of that was particularly surprising.

00:01:08.000 But because of the response in the West, where hundreds of thousands of born and bred Westerners took to the streets before Israel had even responded in order to rally to the side of terrorists who murdered babies in front of their parents, women.

00:01:19.000 And kidnapped Holocaust survivors. 0.65

00:01:21.000 Something deeply wrong had happened in the West.

00:01:24.000 And so I spent the course of the next year thinking and traveling and writing.

00:01:29.000 This new book is a work of the heart and of the mind.

00:01:32.000 I think it's my most important book.

00:01:34.000 It's certainly my most passionate.

00:01:35.000 Lions and Scavengers took shape as I traveled from Washington, D.C. to Oxford University, from the southern border of the United States with Mexico to the drug-infested areas of Kensington, Pennsylvania, from Buenos Aires, Argentina to Jerusalem, Israel.

00:01:49.000 And the thesis of the book is really simple.

00:01:51.000 Our civilization is now divided between lions and scavengers, and we must decide between them.

00:01:58.000 So now I want to read you just the very beginning of Lions and Scavengers.

00:02:03.000 Attention lies at the core of our being.

00:02:06.000 It roils us.

00:02:07.000 It churns our guts.

00:02:08.000 It boils our brains.

00:02:10.000 That tension lies between two opposing forces.

00:02:13.000 Those forces beat within every man's breast.

00:02:15.000 They fight for supremacy within every civilization.

00:02:18.000 One must triumph and one must fall.

00:02:21.000 The spirit of the lion.

00:02:22.000 The spirit of the scavenger.

00:02:25.000 I write these words in London, England.

00:02:27.000 I write them in disappointment and horror and dismay.

00:02:29.000 For London has been conquered by the scavengers.

00:02:32.000 Just last weekend, London saw a massive river of protesters, hundreds of thousands strong, marching.

00:02:37.000 Their banners unfurled.

00:02:39.000 The banners of terrorist groups and of communists and of transgender activists gathered together to revolt against the civilization. 0.92

00:02:45.000 That has given them their rights and their prosperity and their power.

00:02:48.000 These marchers have gathered to protest in favor of the terror group Hamas.

00:02:52.000 It has been just a few weeks since the slaughter of 1,200 Jews and kidnapping of 250 others on October 7, 2023, in the envelopes surrounding the Gaza Strip.

00:03:00.000 Members of Hamas and Palestinian civilians flooded into villages, a music festival, homes.

00:03:06.000 They dragged out men, women, and children.

00:03:07.000 They live-streamed their crimes.

00:03:10.000 And the scavengers have risen in rage in support of Hamas.

00:03:14.000 As the savagery, mass murder, kidnapping took place, one commenter posted on social media.

00:03:19.000 What did y 'all think decolonization meant?

00:03:21.000 Vibes?

00:03:21.000 Papers?

00:03:22.000 Essays? 0.99

00:03:23.000 Losers? 0.87

00:03:24.000 Her comment received nearly 100,000 likes, and it spoke to the very core of the scavengers. 0.97

00:03:29.000 All inhumanity against the lions is justified.

00:03:33.000 And so the scavengers have gathered here in the beating heart of what was once the center of Western civilization to bathe for more blood and to scream at a West that insists that defense against terror is the first right of all men.

00:03:43.000 They march with their red flags held high, ecstatically singing the praises of murderers.

00:03:48.000 For this is their opportunity to castigate the lion's pride to bring it low.

00:03:53.000 The British Communist Party issued a statement in solidarity with Hamas, condemning the Israeli government on the day after October 7th, before Israeli military action had even begun.

00:04:02.000 Jeremy Corbyn, former leader of the Labour Party, appeared at rallies flanked by Palestinian flags.

00:04:06.000 The hilariously bizarre group Queers for Palestine quickly formed in solidarity with people who would throw queers off buildings at the first available opportunity if given half a chance. 0.92

00:04:15.000 Many of the most ardent libertines have thrown their support behind Hamas, claiming solidarity with those who would throw them off roofs at the first opportunity.

00:04:23.000 Anything to tear down the pride.

00:04:25.000 This is not mere anti-Semitism.

00:04:27.000 Anti-Semitism is an age-old hatred rooted in a conspiracy theory.

00:04:30.000 It takes many forms and has countless victims.

00:04:32.000 This is something different.

00:04:34.000 It is a united, coalitional hatred.

00:04:36.000 Of the West.

00:04:38.000 In The Lord of the Rings, J.R.R.

00:04:39.000 Tolkien wrote of the hordes of Mordor, stand-ins for the Nazis and their allies by way of metaphor, gathering on the plains outside the gates of Minas Tirith, the last redoubt of mankind.

00:04:47.000 Quote, The plain was dark with their marching companies, and as far as eyes could strain in the murk, there sprouted like foul fungus growth, all about the beleaguered city, great camps of tents, black or somber red.

00:04:58.000 All day the labor went forward, while the men of Minas Tirith looked on, unable to hinder it.

00:05:02.000 So it goes today, in London.

00:05:04.000 The Marchers' March.

00:05:06.000 Their numbers increase, and the scavengers cast their avaricious, ravenous eyes across the landscape and see no one to oppose them.

00:05:13.000 The lions are gone, and without the spirit of the lion, our civilization collapses.

00:05:19.000 That is the very beginning of my brand new book, Lions and Scavengers, available for pre-order right now at dailywire.com slash ben shapiro.

00:05:27.000 I think it's incredibly important, not just for you, but also for your kids, because we do need to be a civilization of lions if we want to survive.

00:05:35.000 We need to teach our children to be lions and to fight the scavengers.

00:05:39.000 I hope that my brand new book, Lions and Scavengers, is a fitting start because the battle continues every single day.

00:05:46.000 Speaking of the scavengers, Democrats are having a very, very difficult time right now.

00:05:52.000 My book, by the way, has a fair bit of optimism to it because over the course of the year, from October 2023 to election 2024, some things changed.

00:06:00.000 But the sort of fascinating devolution of the Democratic Party, is a study on what it looks like when scavengers have nothing to rally around.

00:06:10.000 We saw that last night in a New York mayoral debate that just exploded into chaos when all of these bizarre left-wing perspectives came into conflict.

00:06:18.000 So in this New York mayoral debate, New York right now is, of course, in serious political trouble.

00:06:24.000 Eric Adams has been under fire for allegations of corruption.

00:06:27.000 He's running as an independent.

00:06:29.000 And meanwhile, there are nine Democrats who are competing essentially to run against him. 0.98

00:06:34.000 The two leading Democrats are Andrew Cuomo, the disgraced former governor of the state, who spent his term grabbing ass and killing old people, and he ran out of old people. 0.98

00:06:43.000 And then he was ousted for the alleged ass-grabbage. 0.97

00:06:47.000 So Andrew Cuomo is the current frontrunner in the New York mayoral race.

00:06:51.000 And then the person who's running second is a person named Zoran Mamdani, who's a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.

00:06:58.000 And he's basically an open communist.

00:07:00.000 I mean, he has openly said that he wants government-run grocery stores.

00:07:03.000 He has suggested that the government basically ought to run housing completely in the city of New York.

00:07:10.000 And he is a full-fledged red communist, Zoran Mamdani. 0.88

00:07:14.000 And he's running second.

00:07:15.000 He's like 22% in the polls behind Andrew Cuomo's 35% in the Democratic primary polls.

00:07:22.000 So this debate broke into absolute sheer chaos right from the beginning.

00:07:26.000 And watching the competing strains of the sort of scavenger mentality go at each other.

00:07:31.000 The intersectional coalition clawing at one another.

00:07:36.000 It's pretty astonishing to watch.

00:07:38.000 You wonder why Democrats are in trouble.

00:07:39.000 This would be the reason.

00:07:40.000 So Jessica Ramos is a New York state senator. 0.98

00:07:43.000 She really has very little juice in this race. 1.00

00:07:45.000 But just to show how radical the Democrats are, she suggested that because President Trump will not use federal taxpayer dollars to subsidize the transing of the children, that New Yorkers should withhold their own taxes.

00:07:58.000 This is a serious proposal.

00:08:00.000 From a person running for New York mayor is that people should stop paying their taxes unless Donald Trump restores the ability of taxpayer dollars to fund the transing of minors. 0.97

00:08:10.000 Okay, here we go.

00:08:12.000 Not only should my administration litigate to protect immigrants, to protect gender-affirming care, but we should be ready to withhold our federal taxes when Trump unlawfully takes away funding from the things that we need.

00:08:29.000 Unbelievable.

00:08:29.000 So unless you have open illegal immigration and transing the kids, then you should stop paying your taxes, according to a Democrat who's running for mayor of New York.

00:08:38.000 She wasn't the only Democrat running for mayor.

00:08:41.000 Michael Blake, former New York Assemblyman and vice chair of the DNC from 2017 to 2021, he jumped in to attack Andrew Cuomo.

00:08:48.000 I have to say this was sort of amusing.

00:08:50.000 He said that grandmothers don't feel safe around Andrew Cuomo because of his history of handsiness, shall we say.

00:08:56.000 The people who don't feel safe are young women, mothers, and grandmothers around Andrew Cuomo.

00:09:02.000 That's the greatest threat to public safety in New York City.

00:09:05.000 Yeah, you have to be worried about the old people and who he might kill. 1.00

00:09:08.000 I mean, good times over at the mayoral debate.

00:09:11.000 Adrienne Adams is Speaker of the New York City Council.

00:09:13.000 She also exploded on Andrew Cuomo.

00:09:15.000 Clearly, Cuomo was the recipient of most of the ire on the stage.

00:09:19.000 There were some nine candidates on the stage, and most of them were directing their anger at Cuomo because he's the frontrunner.

00:09:24.000 Here he was.

00:09:26.000 Mr. Cuomo, this question was about your personal regret in your use of politics.

00:09:33.000 I said I regret the state of the Democratic Party is in that we elected Trump.

00:09:39.000 No regrets when it comes to cutting Medicaid or health care.

00:09:42.000 No regrets when it comes to cutting child care.

00:09:45.000 No regrets when it comes to slow walking PPE and vaccinations in the season of COVID to black and brown communities. 1.00

00:09:52.000 Really, no regrets.

00:09:55.000 So in a little while, we're going to have on Representative Elise Stefanik, who may be running for governor of New York, to talk about what's going on here first.

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00:12:25.000 Meanwhile, Zelnor Mayre, another one of these quasi-anonymous state politicians, he's a New York state senator.

00:12:33.000 He says that New York should stop carrying out federal immigration policy altogether.

00:12:37.000 So these are Democrats who are all stampeding to the left off the cliff that's legitimately right there.

00:12:45.000 Thank you.

00:12:45.000 We have to stand up.

00:12:46.000 They are snatching people out of our schools.

00:12:48.000 They're snatching people out of our courthouses.

00:12:51.000 We cannot stand for that in this moment.

00:12:53.000 I have a frontline agenda.

00:12:54.000 I want to hire 50 more lawyers to the law department.

00:12:56.000 I want to go on the offensive.

00:12:58.000 I want to utilize the 10th Amendment to ensure that we are not carrying out the federal government's immigration policies.

00:13:05.000 So were he mayor, he would not hire more cops.

00:13:08.000 He would hire more lawyers to challenge President Trump on illegal immigration.

00:13:12.000 Genius level stuff.

00:13:14.000 Zoran Mamdani, who again is running in second place.

00:13:16.000 He is so radical that he refused to acknowledge that Israel should be a Jewish state.

00:13:21.000 He says it should exist, just not exist.

00:13:24.000 Which is hilarious.

00:13:26.000 Here we go.

00:13:27.000 Yes or no, do you believe in a Jewish state of Israel?

00:13:30.000 I believe Israel has the right to exist.

00:13:32.000 As a Jewish state?

00:13:34.000 As a state with equal rights.

00:13:35.000 He won't say it has a right to exist as a Jewish state.

00:13:39.000 And his answer was no, he won't visit Israel.

00:13:42.000 That's what he was trying to say.

00:13:43.000 Unlike you, I answer questions very directly.

00:13:47.000 And I want to be very clear.

00:13:48.000 I believe every state should be a state of equal rights.

00:13:52.000 He clearly does not believe that.

00:13:53.000 He has never called on any Muslim state to be a state of equal rights ever.

00:13:56.000 And when it comes to equal rights, of course, Israel is the only state in the region that actually does have equal rights for Muslims and Christians and Jews.

00:14:03.000 All the other states are privileged in the region toward Muslims, like far and away, not close.

00:14:08.000 In any case, that guy's running second in the New York primaries.

00:14:11.000 Andrew Cuomo eventually got mad at the moderators and he started ripping into them.

00:14:16.000 He was just given a chance to actually address the clear claims that were stated and ignored it.

00:14:24.000 OK, we do have to move on because we have other candidates on stage and we want to hear about their subway.

00:14:30.000 Mr. Schringer, can we please hear about your subway?

00:14:32.000 Mr. Schringer, we are moving on.

00:14:35.000 I'm a- Thank you.

00:14:40.000 And this is what happens when you have people who never build anything and just seek to tear down the civilization in which they live.

00:14:47.000 They end up clawing at each other when there's nobody else in the room.

00:14:49.000 And here's what it sounds like. 0.98

00:14:51.000 Interesting, Mandami never denied saying Obama was evil and a liar.

00:14:55.000 I believe neither of you denied the quotes that were raised.

00:14:59.000 Neither of you denied the quotes that were raised.

00:15:01.000 But we are here to talk at this moment about public health.

00:15:09.000 I need just five minutes.

00:15:10.000 I understand that education is very important.

00:15:12.000 Please don't force us to.

00:15:13.000 Education is a very important issue to New York City.

00:15:15.000 I'm proud that I raised.

00:15:18.000 Mr. Myrie.

00:15:20.000 Now, things are going well over in that New York mayoral Democratic primary.

00:15:25.000 Things are going so well for the Democratic Party, in fact, that Karine Jean-Pierre, who was the White House press secretary under Joe Biden and clearly knew that the man was no longer mentally capable, she has now decided she's no longer a Democrat.

00:15:37.000 She is now independent.

00:15:39.000 I know, I know.

00:15:40.000 It's a little late to run away from the sinking ship, especially when you are the person who actually drilled the holes into the ship.

00:15:46.000 But Corrine Jean-Pierre is now trying to do that and make money off it.

00:15:48.000 She has a brand new book that is coming out titled Independent, which is hilarious.

00:15:51.000 The least independent independent of all time.

00:15:54.000 According to Politico, Corrine Jean-Pierre's announcement that she's leaving the Democratic Party, timed with the rollout of a new book, has detonated long-simmering grievances among her former White House colleagues about Jean-Pierre's pursuit of celebrity and personal media exposure.

00:16:07.000 While serving as then-president Joe Biden's press secretary, the attention-grabbing ploy lit up Democrat and Biden alumni, texting groups, and reignited frustrations that burned for years about Jean-Pierre, according to seven former Biden administration officials granted anonymity to describe private conversation.

00:16:22.000 So first of all, we should point out at this point, everyone knew she was incompetent.

00:16:25.000 I called her for years the world's worst White House press secretary because she was. 1.00

00:16:30.000 She was awful at her job, truly terrible at her job.

00:16:33.000 A joke.

00:16:34.000 And Democrats kept defending her.

00:16:36.000 Why?

00:16:36.000 Because, of course, she was intersectional.

00:16:37.000 She was a black lesbian who was also the White House press secretary, even though she was wildly incompetent. 1.00

00:16:42.000 So you basically had a DEI hire covering for a dead man in the White House. 0.98

00:16:47.000 And everybody in the Democratic Party thought this was perfectly fine until the moment it imploded in on them.

00:16:53.000 According to Politico, one former official recalled that Jean-Pierre had joked about becoming an independent even while on the job in the Biden White House.

00:16:59.000 An off-key comment for someone ostensibly serving as a major messenger for the Democratic Party.

00:17:04.000 Another former official said that Jean-Pierre had begun working during the Biden administration with a New York-based publicist and had copied that person on official emails before some of Jean-Pierre's White House colleagues intervened.

00:17:15.000 Everyone thinks this is a grift, the first former official said of Jean-Pierre's book project.

00:17:20.000 And then this is the reporting for Politico.

00:17:22.000 This is the objective reporting.

00:17:23.000 It happens to be true.

00:17:24.000 Quote, She frustrated colleagues throughout the West Wing for focusing on raising her own profile while leaving the hands-on management of media relations and the White House press shop to other aides.

00:17:42.000 While it's unclear how she will portray Biden or her time in the White House in the book titled Independent, a look inside a broken White House outside the party lines, several former colleagues expressed confusion at how Jean-Pierre seemingly intends to paint Biden as a victim while pinning her own decision to leave the party on his broken White House.

00:17:59.000 So, that's going to be fun.

00:18:01.000 And it'll be fun to watch Democrats tear each other apart over all of this.

00:18:04.000 And again, the sort of self-sabotage of the Democratic Party is the realistic response of a party of people who can't build things and right now are facing down a relatively impregnable Trump administration.

00:18:19.000 They've just decided not to attack any of the vulnerabilities of the Trump administration.

00:18:22.000 They're spending all their time focusing inward.

00:18:26.000 And they can't help but do so.

00:18:28.000 Because the reality is that their own politics is so broken and so angry and vicious and just anti-American in so many ways that they're just tearing one another apart.

00:18:40.000 You can see this in a fascinating column by David Wallace-Wells, who is a columnist for the New York Times.

00:18:46.000 It's a piece titled, Our Regression on Gender is a Tragedy, Not Just a Political Problem.

00:18:51.000 And this piece is all about lamenting the fact that Democrats have lost young men.

00:18:56.000 The young men don't want to be part of the Democratic Party.

00:18:58.000 And there's a reason young men don't want to be part of the Democratic Party. 0.91

00:19:00.000 The reason is because the Democratic Party has spent literally decades telling young men that they are completely useless and or counterproductive, violent, a threat to the system, and a threat to women.

00:19:10.000 When you make men feel as though they are useless and counterproductive, they are going to leave you and not be with you. 0.60

00:19:15.000 That is true personally, and it is true politically.

00:19:17.000 And the Democratic Party has spent years building up a feeling among young men that they are not wanted.

00:19:24.000 And so, David Wallace-Wells' lament is, why won't they stick around and be part of the matriarchy, essentially? 0.99

00:19:30.000 Quote, on the surface, the Trump coalition might appear powered by an unapologetic, rakish UFC party bro energy.

00:19:37.000 Think of the glimpses we've gotten of Pete Hegseth's naked torso, or the way his confirmation hearings were meme-ified as a hard-ass man accused of sexual assault staring down a hectoring panel of hysterical grandmas.

00:19:46.000 Or, for that matter, the time when the White House press secretary, Caroline Levitt, invited her Instagram followers to observe her working out in a sports bra. 0.77

00:19:53.000 And there may not be a more representative clip about the vibe shift of 2024 than the comedian and podcaster Andrew Schultz explaining his supposed defection from the Democrats by explaining that he liked the dudes that have sex, using a crude term for female anatomy, and say whatever they want.

00:20:08.000 And David Walliswell is upset about this.

00:20:11.000 Why?

00:20:12.000 Well, because what this suggests is that men would actually like to be men again.

00:20:16.000 And one of the things the Democratic Party has been focused on for a very long time is that men essentially need to be castrated, that men need to not be treated as men, that men's aggressive instinct to create and protect is inherently bad and insulting to women.

00:20:29.000 Thank you.

00:20:31.000 According to Wallace Wells, in 2022, fewer than 30% of Republican men believed the proposition that women should return to their traditional roles in society, according to the views of the Electoral Research Survey assessed by a group of political scientists writing for The Times.

00:20:44.000 Two years later, that number was 48%.

00:20:46.000 Republican women underwent a similar surge from 23% in 2022 to 37% in 2024. 0.98

00:20:53.000 Today, political scientists note, 79% of Republican men and 67% of Republican women say they believe American society has gotten too soft and feminine, with 43% of the country overall agreeing.

00:21:05.000 According to Pew, the share of Republicans who say American society has gotten too accepting of men taking on traditionally female roles, like nurses, presumably, or school teachers, has grown by 40% since 2017.

00:21:14.000 But that's not what those polls are saying.

00:21:16.000 What they're saying is that the traditionally female role, just for all of human history, Taking care of the home doesn't mean that women can't work also.

00:21:26.000 You can find women engaging in commerce going all the way back to the book of Proverbs. 1.00

00:21:30.000 In fact, we Jews, every Friday night, we actually sing a song that is a quotation from the book of Proverbs that talks about all the wonderful things that women do, including being active in the marketplace.

00:21:41.000 What people are rebelling against is the idea that men and women are essentially androgynous widgets, and that when men take on female roles, or females decide that they no longer need no man, That that is somehow good for society.

00:21:54.000 Because in general, it isn't.

00:21:55.000 In general, men need to be told and they need to be trained to be protectors and providers.

00:22:00.000 They need to be trained to be lions, as I talk about in the new book.

00:22:03.000 And women actually need, if they wish to be fulfilled, to have a part of their life that is dedicated to things like childbearing and childbearing. 1.00

00:22:12.000 This is perfectly natural and there's nothing wrong with saying it.

00:22:16.000 And it is specifically because the Democratic Party has said that the highest form of womanhood It's to treat, as Michelle Obama said, the reproductive system as non-reproductive.

00:22:27.000 She literally said this just a week ago.

00:22:29.000 She said openly that the female reproductive system, the least important thing it does is reproduce. 0.99

00:22:34.000 Wrong, madam.

00:22:36.000 Actually, it is the most important thing, just as the male reproductive system.

00:22:39.000 The most important thing it does is reproduce, actually.

00:22:42.000 That's literally why it is called the reproductive system. 0.98

00:22:45.000 It's why there's so many parts down there.

00:22:46.000 It is amazing.

00:22:48.000 The Democrats have run headlong away from reality, and then they are upset.

00:22:51.000 When reality clocks them back into place.

00:22:53.000 Coming up, Elise Stefanik will be joining us.

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00:25:42.000 The movement of men away from the Democratic Party is not because they need more messaging from the terror supporter Hassan Piker who works out a lot and wears pearls.

00:25:52.000 That's not why you're losing men.

00:25:53.000 The reason you're losing men is because your vision of masculinity is unattractive to men.

00:25:57.000 Men do not want to be the kinds of men that you are talking about.

00:26:01.000 And by the way, women don't like those kinds of men anyway.

00:26:04.000 That is why you're falling apart.

00:26:06.000 But the Democrats have to tear each other apart because, again, they're running up against reality.

00:26:10.000 And this is the thing that David Wallace-Wells is fussing about.

00:26:13.000 What he should be doing is reminding Democrats, hey guys, there is a reality.

00:26:16.000 Men are men.

00:26:17.000 Women are women. 1.00

00:26:17.000 They don't generally want all the same things. 1.00

00:26:20.000 There's some crossover in that Venn diagram.

00:26:22.000 But men actually want to live their lives differently than women. 0.94

00:26:26.000 And if you alienate men, then you're going to alienate them by telling them that they can't be men anymore.

00:26:32.000 But according to David Wallace-Wells, again, they have a vision.

00:26:34.000 They have a vision of a society in which men are torn to the ground.

00:26:38.000 Quote, There's a reactionary turn outside the workplace, too.

00:26:42.000 There's been a similar drop in surveyed backing for gay rights, with Republican support for marriage equality falling 14 points in three years, according to Gallup.

00:26:48.000 And the economist YouGov reporting that nearly two-thirds of Republicans are now in opposition.

00:26:52.000 By the way, the reason for that is because the promise of gay marriage back in 2013 or so, when Obergefell was decided, was that it would essentially be, okay, so men are going to marry men sometimes, and women are going to marry women sometimes, but how does that affect you and your family?

00:27:05.000 And then it turned into a giant push.

00:27:08.000 For the idea of sexual fluidity for all children, including gender transformation.

00:27:13.000 And we're going to teach this to your kids.

00:27:15.000 It turns out it was never about being left alone.

00:27:17.000 It was about completely changing every social standard in society.

00:27:20.000 Some of us were arguing that for years before this happened.

00:27:23.000 But that has always been the program.

00:27:25.000 And that program was revealed.

00:27:26.000 And now you're seeing a reaction to that program.

00:27:29.000 Says David Wallace.

00:27:30.000 Well, we're not living in that world.

00:27:32.000 When you could look back on the previous decades and probably see below the ups and downs of partisan conflict.

00:27:36.000 The broad strokes of a basic cultural consensus, one that pushed toward a stronger embrace of markets and consumption in the realm of economics and toward more personal autonomy and freedom of choice in the social sphere.

00:27:45.000 Like the just-so story of free markets, the just-so story of reliably expanding civil rights and opportunity looked at the time, if simplistic, also not inaccurate.

00:27:54.000 But, he says, now that's over.

00:27:56.000 Now there's been a backlash against the culturally liberal project.

00:28:01.000 And that's terrible.

00:28:02.000 There's an awful lot to chew over about the reactionary turn of young men.

00:28:05.000 The way elite liberalism might have contributed to male alienation, it is the sole reason for the male alienation. 0.84

00:28:13.000 The way that deindustrialization may be to blame.

00:28:16.000 Well, no, actually, because America has been moving away from a manufacturing industrial base since essentially the 1970s.

00:28:22.000 That would not be the thing.

00:28:23.000 The way that the MAGA dream of re-industrialization may be an effort to reverse those forces and the sexual dynamics that may result. 0.89

00:28:29.000 Again, it's not about.

00:28:32.000 It is about you forcibly decided to teach young men that they are useless and counterproductive and bad and that all basic masculinity is the same as quote-unquote toxic masculinity.

00:28:43.000 That's the reason.

00:28:45.000 But the Democratic coalition doesn't have a place to go.

00:28:47.000 They are stuck.

00:28:48.000 And it's a real problem for them.

00:28:49.000 And they find themselves defending some of the worst people on earth and some of the worst ideas, which is what you were seeing in that New York mayoral debate.

00:28:57.000 Joining us online to discuss the state of New York is Chairwoman Elise Stefanik, who's representative for New York's 21st District, the most senior elected Republican in New York State.

00:29:06.000 She's currently the chairwoman of House Republican leadership, and she recently launched a Save New York PAC design at helping Republicans in local races around the state.

00:29:13.000 Representative Stefanik, thanks so much for joining the show.

00:29:14.000 Really appreciate it.

00:29:16.000 Great to be with you, Ben.

00:29:18.000 So why don't we start with the state of play in New York?

00:29:22.000 Obviously, this New York City mayoral race is a complete bleep show.

00:29:24.000 And it is a disaster area.

00:29:26.000 The debate that they had last night was a complete mess and indicative, I think, of the state of the Democratic Party in the state of New York.

00:29:33.000 What do you make of the state of play in New York, which of course has been a Democratic stronghold forever at the state level and also in New York City?

00:29:39.000 Well, you talk about how it's a Democratic stronghold and the result of single-party Democrat rule over years.

00:29:44.000 And in fact, I've seen this over the course of my lifetime.

00:29:47.000 You've seen absolutely no rule of law.

00:29:50.000 You've seen releasing of criminals.

00:29:51.000 You've seen putting illegals first, the highest taxed state in the nation, the least friendly to small businesses. 0.73

00:29:56.000 We lead the nation in population exodus.

00:29:59.000 And as a result, in the past few election cycles, no state has moved more to the Republican direction than New York state.

00:30:05.000 If you look at President Trump's performance in 2024, he did historically well in communities in the Bronx and Queens, for example, than any other Republican.

00:30:21.000 What is interesting today, Ben, and very concerning is you saw the Democrat mayoral primary last night, the debate, and it was the epitome of the just absolute challenges and catastrophe in today's Democrat Party.

00:30:34.000 Every single candidate has been on record for defunding the police.

00:30:37.000 Every single Democrat candidate has supported failed bail reform, which of course caused this crime crisis and the skyrocketing of danger in New York State.

00:30:45.000 You had candidates like Zoran Mamdami, who didn't want to acknowledge Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state.

00:30:52.000 You had a failure of candidates to combat and condemn anti-Semitism, which is raging on the streets of New York.

00:30:58.000 And, of course, you saw what has happened at Columbia.

00:31:00.000 So these are real crises, and they're created by Democrats.

00:31:04.000 The polling shows that over 60% of New Yorkers want to elect someone new.

00:31:08.000 And if you look at voter registration, it is increasingly Republican.

00:31:11.000 So there is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to save New York once and for all.

00:31:16.000 And that starts at the local level.

00:31:17.000 As you know, I've been in office.

00:31:18.000 This is my 11th year in Congress.

00:31:20.000 I flipped a district.

00:31:21.000 We win not only Republicans, but Democrats and independents as well.

00:31:24.000 And we've built up this local infrastructure and grassroots, flipping multiple counties in my district.

00:31:29.000 We're hoping to do that across the state to lay the groundwork for next year.

00:31:34.000 You know, one of the big missions that you've been on also is to go after the university system that you mentioned there.

00:31:42.000 You talked about Columbia University.

00:31:43.000 You obviously famously had all of the heads of some of the major universities in front of you who refused to condemn anti-Semitism.

00:31:50.000 What do you make of the Trump administration's attempts to curb anti-Semitism by pushing on some of the funding mechanisms for these major universities?

00:31:57.000 Well, I called on President Trump to do that and worked very closely with him.

00:32:01.000 He followed those hearings incredibly closely.

00:32:03.000 It's an issue that I've discussed with him extensively going back the past few years.

00:32:07.000 And I applaud this administration for stepping in and holding these universities accountable.

00:32:12.000 We saw, Ben, they had an opportunity to save themselves.

00:32:14.000 They failed.

00:32:15.000 They failed at the highest levels, but it is an endemic within these institutions, whether it's the offices of DEI, whether it's the rise of anti-Semitism, even previous.

00:32:27.000 You see the decline of admissions of Jewish students.

00:32:30.000 You see assaults, physical threats, verbal threats against Jewish students.

00:32:35.000 You've seen Hillels who have been targeted at these schools across the country. 0.89

00:32:39.000 You've seen professors who are spewing vile anti-Semitism, and yet they're propped up by these universities.

00:32:45.000 In the state of New York, look at what has happened to Colombia. 0.68

00:32:49.000 These are once great institutions that have failed at all levels.

00:32:53.000 They have fundamentally lost their way.

00:32:55.000 So it is important for this administration, and it's why Congress has stepped in as well to use the power of the purse when it comes to ensuring that U.S. taxpayer dollars don't go to prop up this anti-Semitism.

00:33:08.000 You know, one of the things that was astonishing watching some of the debate last night was the openness toward immigration from some of the worst places on Earth and of some of the worst people. 1.00

00:33:17.000 There are people on stage who are literally saying that you should withhold your tax dollars.

00:33:21.000 From New York, if New York complies with federal immigration law in consilience with the Trump administration, the Trump administration right now is trying to reduce the number of people coming in from abroad who hate the country.

00:33:31.000 This is something the Secretary of State Rubio has talked about, obviously, and in the aftermath of a person who pretty clearly is an illegal immigrant throwing Molotov cocktails at Jews in Boulder, Colorado for the great sin of rallying for hostages.

00:33:43.000 And the Trump administration is trying to deport the family and a judge is standing in the way. 0.87

00:33:47.000 It's never been more important for the White House and for the and for the federal government to stand in the way of the importation of people who hate the country, hate the West, hate Israel, hate Jews.

00:33:57.000 I mean, they're not in they're not in coordination with American values.

00:34:00.000 And yet there are Democrats who want to bring more of these folks in.

00:34:03.000 I stand strongly with President Trump, and it is important that we take a moment to comment on the action.

00:34:25.000 Ben.

00:34:25.000 This is happening on U.S. soil, and it's a result of policies.

00:34:29.000 And what did you see from New York Democrats?

00:34:30.000 By the way, a party that Kathy Hochul leads, you saw that they want more illegals, that they're putting illegals first, but they also want to keep importing people that...

00:34:44.000 And that's why you are seeing electorally increasing numbers of votes in key parts of New York moving towards the Republican direction, because enough is enough.

00:34:53.000 You also heard on the debate stage last night the fact that they want to continue using U.S. taxpayer dollars for illegals housing, for illegals health care, for illegals first and New Yorkers last.

00:35:04.000 New Yorkers don't want that. 0.99

00:35:05.000 New Yorkers want to put New Yorkers first, and that's what I intend to do.

00:35:09.000 That's what I've done in Congress, and we're going to be supporting candidates to do that at the local and all levels up and down the ballot.

00:35:15.000 Now, speaking of your role in Congress, obviously the big, beautiful bill has just recently passed Congress.

00:35:20.000 It is now sitting in the Senate where it's being renegotiated, and then eventually there will be reconciliation between the bills that come forth from both houses.

00:35:27.000 What do you make of the debate over the big, beautiful bill?

00:35:30.000 Obviously, you voted in favor of it.

00:35:31.000 There's been a lot of talk about the debt ceiling and debt.

00:35:34.000 What is your take on that conversation?

00:35:37.000 My take is this is the centerpiece of President Trump's agenda.

00:35:40.000 This is what we ran on.

00:35:41.000 We owe it to the American people to deliver border security, energy independence, tax cuts, no tax on tips, no tax on overtime.

00:35:49.000 These are very key provisions that President Trump ran and he won on, and we fully support that.

00:35:55.000 I was the deciding vote, Ben.

00:35:57.000 That is how important it is.

00:35:58.000 And that's why I'm still in Congress, to make sure that we hold this House majority.

00:36:01.000 And I was proud to cast that deciding vote.

00:36:04.000 There are going to be bumps along the road, as there always is when you work.

00:36:08.000 Currently, the Senate, this bill is in front of the Senate.

00:36:10.000 There's a lot of discussions, but it needs to be a bill that can come back and pass the House, given our very slim majority.

00:36:15.000 So we are working very hard to stand up for the American people.

00:36:18.000 Again, the key provisions are the border security aspect, the economic package of that, whether it's the tax provisions or energy independence.

00:36:25.000 So yes, I know the day-to-day news headlines can make it seem rocky, but we've been able to deliver.

00:36:31.000 And most importantly, President Trump has been able to deliver and has a way to be able to work with All of these members, all of whom he knows, including all the senators, all the House Republicans, to get this done for the American people.

00:36:42.000 And I'm particularly proud of the important economic piece is cutting taxes, not only for Americans, but specifically for New Yorkers, which has been a very important part of our delegation's effort.

00:36:54.000 So Representative Stefanik, you're also on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

00:36:58.000 Obviously, one of the big issues at the forefront of what the president has been considering right now is negotiations with Iran over their nuclear program.

00:37:06.000 He has said for 10 years that the Obama JCPOA is the worst deal in the history of mankind.

00:37:11.000 He has said clearly and concisely that there should be no nuclear development in Iran, period.

00:37:16.000 What do you make of the intelligence that's coming in about Iran's actual nuclear development, their levels of nuclear development, how urgent is the situation, and what do you make of the negotiating strategy of the United States?

00:37:26.000 Well, first of all, President Trump is the master negotiator.

00:37:30.000 We have seen this, whether it's the Abraham Accords, whether it is his trade deals, and it will be the case in this as well.

00:37:36.000 I absolutely—we need to make sure that it is zero, zero.

00:37:40.000 No nuclear—not for power, not for anything.

00:37:43.000 It needs to be zero nuclear resources when it comes to Iran.

00:37:47.000 And the president has stated that over and over again, and the president is in the position to be able to deliver on that.

00:37:53.000 I am deeply concerned Iran is just a— We know that Iran is the backing of Hamas and Hezbollah, and of course that led to October 7th, the bloodiest day for the Jewish people since the Holocaust. 0.93

00:38:16.000 So we need to see this regime for what it is.

00:38:19.000 It's a regime of terror, and we can never let them get a nuclear weapons capability.

00:38:26.000 What have you seen in terms of the intelligence that you can reveal with regard to Iran's nuclear program?

00:38:31.000 I know, obviously, there's a lot of dyspepsy among Republicans, and there has been for a long time because of all of the botched intelligence around the Iraq War.

00:38:37.000 So what do we actually know about Iran's nuclear program?

00:38:40.000 You know, I can't get into the specific intelligence that I'm seeing, Ben.

00:38:43.000 You know, that's done in a classified setting.

00:38:46.000 What I can say that is we have been crystal clear, the House Republicans and this administration, that this will be zero when it comes to nuclear weapons capability.

00:38:54.000 We can never let Iran get a nuclear weapon.

00:38:57.000 And that has been clear from the from the first term under President Trump.

00:39:00.000 And that remains clear today.

00:39:03.000 Representative Elise Stefanik, check out her Save New York PAC, which, of course.

00:39:07.000 We hope we'll turn the politics of New York State completely.

00:39:11.000 Representative Stefanik, really appreciate the time.

00:39:13.000 Thank you so much, Ben.

00:39:14.000 A little later on in the show, I'm going to get to Tucker Carlson attacking Mark Levin.

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00:41:22.000 Meanwhile, President Trump has correctly announced yet another travel ban.

00:41:26.000 You remember during his first administration, there was all sorts of Last night, he said it again, as we should.

00:41:38.000 Why are we importing people who are unvetted from countries that, generally speaking, do not have cultures that adhere to American values or are even friendly to American values? 0.99

00:41:47.000 Basic, obvious kind of stuff.

00:41:49.000 A great example of this, by the way, would be the family of the terrorist who just threw Molotov cocktails at Jews in Boulder.

00:41:58.000 While declaring that Allah was going to destroy America.

00:42:00.000 That guy came on a visa, and then he overstayed his visa, and then he was given asylum for no reason at all.

00:42:08.000 And now, by the way, a judge has ruled that his family cannot be deported, which is totally insane.

00:42:13.000 And so President Trump's like, you know what?

00:42:15.000 If you're not going to let us deport people, then how about they just don't come here in the first place? 1.00

00:42:18.000 How about that?

00:42:19.000 Here's President Trump yesterday, correctly.

00:42:21.000 Very simply, we cannot have open migration from any country where we cannot safely and reliably vet and screen those who seek to enter the United States. 0.99

00:42:31.000 That is why today I am signing a new executive order placing travel restrictions on countries including Yemen, Somalia, Haiti, Libya, and numerous others.

00:42:45.000 The strength of the restrictions we're applying depends on the severity of the threat posed.

00:42:51.000 The list is subject to revision based on whether material improvements are made, and likewise new countries can be added as threats emerge around the world.

00:43:03.000 This is perfectly rational, in the same way that it is perfectly rational for Secretary of State Marco Rubio to say that we are not going to allow visa holders to come to the United States hating America and then just overstay their visas.

00:43:13.000 It turns out that when they do that, Sometimes they're really, really bad, and they don't help the American body politic.

00:43:19.000 And there is a left-wing sentiment in the United States that somehow we owe everyone on Earth citizenship in the United States.

00:43:25.000 And if they come to tear down the society, so much the better.

00:43:27.000 Because after all, we bear some sort of blood guilt for the fact that there are other countries that are less successful on Earth. 0.98

00:43:32.000 It's a stupid proposition, but it has come to dominate a lot of the talk on the left. 0.95

00:43:36.000 The ban will fully restrict entry of nationals from 12 countries, according to CNN. 0.98

00:43:41.000 Afghanistan, Myanmar, also known as Burma, Chad, Republic of the Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen.

00:43:49.000 There are another seven countries that have partial restriction.

00:43:52.000 That'd be Burundi, Cuba, Laos, Sierra Leone, The proclamation includes exceptions for lawful permanent residents, existing visa holders, certain visa categories, and individuals whose entry actually serves American interests.

00:44:05.000 This seems well calibrated.

00:44:07.000 One of the critiques that I've had of the Trump administration is that sometimes I love This is a well calibrated policy.

00:44:18.000 Obviously, it's a leftover from Trump won when they actually had to slug it out over this policy.

00:44:24.000 White House Deputy Press Secretary Abigail Jackson wrote, quote, President Trump is fulfilling his promise to protect Americans from dangerous foreign actors that want to come to our country and cause us harm.

00:44:32.000 These common sense restrictions are country specific and include places that lack proper vetting, exhibit high visa overstay rates, or fail to share identity and threat information.

00:44:41.000 I mean, yes, that makes, again, all of this makes perfect, perfect sense.

00:44:47.000 And the reality, which is that left-wing judges are now trying to make sure that bad people stay in the United States means it's even more important to make sure these people never come to the United States in the first place.

00:44:58.000 As I mentioned, according to the Washington Post, a federal judge on Wednesday barred the Trump administration from deporting the wife and children of an Egyptian man accused of throwing Molotov cocktails at a pro-Israel demonstration in Colorado.

00:45:09.000 By the way, it wasn't a pro-Israel demonstration.

00:45:11.000 Pro-hostage demonstration, trying to free the hostages.

00:45:15.000 U.S. District Judge Gordon Gallagher found that deporting the family, quote, without process, could cause irreparable harm and said he was issuing his order due to the urgency the situation presents.

00:45:24.000 The development came after lawyers for Hayam El Gamal and her five children filed an emergency petition earlier in the day arguing that their detentions were illegal.

00:45:32.000 Now, again, it is worth noting that these people are in the country illegally.

00:45:37.000 They came, they overstayed a visa.

00:45:40.000 They claimed asylum, falsely, and then they've been here ever since. 0.98

00:45:46.000 Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said that ICE had detained Soliman's wife and children, and the Trump administration said that they would process their cases via expedited removals.

00:45:59.000 In the court filing Wednesday seeking the family's release, lawyers said the couple and their children had applied for and obtained visitor visas and entered the United States in August of 2022.

00:46:09.000 Suleman quickly applied for asylum for the entire family in September 2022.

00:46:13.000 So they got visitor visas, and within a month, they had been trying to get asylum visas.

00:46:18.000 Those were handed out like candy by the Biden administration.

00:46:22.000 The basic rule was, if you claimed asylum, they just gave you asylum status.

00:46:26.000 All are citizens of Egypt.

00:46:29.000 So, they could leave and go to Egypt. 0.54

00:46:33.000 Why can't they be in Egypt? 0.95

00:46:34.000 What is the problem?

00:46:35.000 Probably the worst headline of the day.

00:46:37.000 Came courtesy of Michael Loria over at USA Today.

00:46:40.000 Quote, bolder suspect's daughter dreamed of studying medicine.

00:46:44.000 Now she faces deportation.

00:46:47.000 Well, I mean, there are medical schools in Egypt as well.

00:46:49.000 It turns out you do not have a right to study medicine in the United States if we do not wish you to be here.

00:46:54.000 We have a lot of doctors in the United States, a lot of people who went to medical school.

00:46:57.000 And there are plenty of people who need a doctor over in Egypt.

00:47:00.000 Many of them agree with the principles espoused by your dad.

00:47:04.000 So, bye.

00:47:07.000 Would be the proper response.

00:47:09.000 Meanwhile, Team Trump continues to go after colleges and universities that have been shuttling in these radicals.

00:47:15.000 That includes Columbia University.

00:47:17.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, the Trump administration attacked Columbia University's accreditation, arguing the school is in violation of federal anti-discrimination laws.

00:47:25.000 The Education Department told the organization through which Columbia is accredited that the school has violated civil rights law over its handling of campus anti-Semitism and no longer appears to meet the standards for accreditation at all.

00:47:37.000 That doesn't actually revoke Colombia's accreditation, which would basically destroy the university, but it's a significant escalation of the government's battle with the school.

00:47:44.000 The government urged the accreditor to work with the school to make sure it comes into full compliance with federal law.

00:47:51.000 Colombia said it's aware of the government's concern and it's addressing them directly with the accreditor.

00:47:55.000 So the administration is opening up all of the guns on these universities that are in violation of the Civil Rights Act.

00:48:00.000 Now again, I hear all these people right on the left say, well, what about the free speech of the universities?

00:48:04.000 Why can't they just espouse?

00:48:06.000 The destruction of the state of Israel, why isn't that?

00:48:08.000 Okay, so here is the deal.

00:48:10.000 The Civil Rights Act applies to Jews the same as it applies to black people, the same as it applies to Hispanic people. 0.62

00:48:16.000 You may not like the Civil Rights Act.

00:48:18.000 I mean, I think that there are elements of the Civil Rights Act that go too far.

00:48:21.000 I've been saying this literally my entire career, controversially.

00:48:24.000 Barring government discrimination, good.

00:48:27.000 Moving into the private sphere and regulating private conduct, problematic from a First Amendment constitutional perspective.

00:48:32.000 But can we stop pretending for a hot second?

00:48:35.000 That the left has not completely restructured American life by using the Civil Rights Act as a club against all of its political enemies for as long as it has existed.

00:48:45.000 Because that's what's happened.

00:48:46.000 And now Trump has discovered the weapon and he is using it on behalf of perspectives that the left does not like.

00:48:51.000 And now the left has decided that it doesn't like the weapon anymore.

00:48:54.000 Well, weird.

00:48:55.000 Weird how the rules only apply when you are the ones in power.

00:48:58.000 That means they are not rules.

00:48:59.000 That means it's a weapon.

00:49:01.000 Good for President Trump for using the weapons at his disposal that the left left.

00:49:04.000 They literally left him lying right there for President Trump.

00:49:07.000 Your fault, guys.

00:49:09.000 You blew it.

00:49:10.000 And frankly, your complaints about lack of freedom of speech at Columbia or Harvard.

00:49:15.000 I went to Harvard Law School.

00:49:17.000 I went to UCLA.

00:49:18.000 You just say freedom of speech was not perfectly free at these places well before President Trump got there.

00:49:25.000 There were consequences that attended to some of the mildest conservative speech.

00:49:29.000 At these places.

00:49:31.000 So now you're all hot and bothered because President Trump is actually invoking the Civil Rights Act to tell you to abide by the very laws that you yourself espoused.

00:49:38.000 Aw, poor babies. 1.00

00:49:40.000 Cry yourself to sleep at night.

00:49:42.000 Very, very, very sad.

00:49:43.000 Okay, meanwhile, lots of turmoil over the big, beautiful bill.

00:49:47.000 Elon Musk continues to call for the defeat of the big, beautiful bill because he is upset about the levels of spending.

00:49:55.000 He says mammoth spending bills are bankrupting America enough.

00:49:58.000 Okay, now, Again, don't disagree on principle.

00:50:01.000 I agree with that.

00:50:02.000 Obviously, massive spending bills are bankrupting America.

00:50:05.000 But we should be clear here that this bill is not a spending bill.

00:50:08.000 Tax reduction is not a form of spending.

00:50:12.000 It's a basic philosophical distinction between the right and the left.

00:50:15.000 If you reduce taxes, that is not spending.

00:50:18.000 It is not.

00:50:19.000 What is spending is when the government takes money from you or from your ears and spends it.

00:50:23.000 If you want to reduce spending, that has nothing to do with tax revenues.

00:50:27.000 Deficits go up.

00:50:28.000 When the tax revenue is lower and the spending is higher.

00:50:31.000 But lowering tax revenue is not a form of spending because it wasn't the government's money to begin with.

00:50:37.000 It is your money.

00:50:38.000 The government taking less of your money is not a government increase in spending.

00:50:42.000 Government increase in spending is government increase in spending.

00:50:45.000 That's the problem.

00:50:45.000 We're spending $4 trillion a year in 2019.

00:50:47.000 We're spending $7 trillion a year now.

00:50:49.000 Is that a problem of tax revenues?

00:50:51.000 If you saw a chart, by the way, of American tax revenue.

00:50:55.000 It does go consistently up and to the right over the course of the last 50 or 60 years.

00:51:00.000 But when Musk says that we're bankrupting America with our spending, that, of course, is true.

00:51:05.000 However, President Trump actually doubled down on the idea of scrapping the nation's debt ceiling entirely, right?

00:51:12.000 This is where the battle needs to happen.

00:51:13.000 If you want to have a battle over the debt ceiling, if you want to have a battle over debt, this would be where the battle lies.

00:51:18.000 And this also happens to be a place where President Trump, I think, can make some concessions.

00:51:21.000 So President Trump.

00:51:44.000 she's suggesting there's a $4 trillion deficit opened up by the bill.

00:51:47.000 I like that also, but it would have to be done over a period of time, as short as possible.

00:51:51.000 Let's get together.

00:51:52.000 He shared Warren's post on the social media platform X from Friday where she agreed with President Trump that the debt limit should be scrapped and called for a bipartisan bill to get rid of it forever.

00:52:04.000 Okay, again, the sort of idea of unlimited debt where Congress has no say, that is in fact a bad idea.

00:52:12.000 And President Trump has been pushing for it for quite a while.

00:52:16.000 Rand Paul is offering an off-ramp here.

00:52:18.000 He says, listen, I get it.

00:52:20.000 We're trying to lower the taxes.

00:52:23.000 I'll do it if we don't increase the debt ceiling that much.

00:52:27.000 This, again, I think is a more rational perspective from Senator Paul.

00:52:31.000 I don't think there are enough spending cuts in that.

00:52:34.000 I'm worried about that.

00:52:35.000 I wish there were more.

00:52:36.000 But I still would support the tax cuts and some spending cuts.

00:52:40.000 If they weren't forcing conservatives to vote to raise the debt ceiling $5 trillion.

00:52:46.000 That concerns me because when you extend the debt ceiling, this will be the largest increase in the debt ceiling ever.

00:52:52.000 This will be the first time that Republicans alone will be responsible for the debt.

00:52:57.000 The debt will be basically owned by Republicans.

00:52:59.000 And I'm not for borrowing $5 trillion over the next two years.

00:53:03.000 I've told the president if they will separate the debt ceiling vote out.

00:53:07.000 They very may well have my vote on this.

00:53:12.000 Okay, so again, not a terrible perspective from Rand Paul, basically saying that if you get rid of the attempt to leverage out the debt ceiling, that that will be something he'll vote for.

00:53:26.000 That makes some sense to me.

00:53:28.000 Speaker Johnson, for his part, says that he's surprised by Elon Musk's criticisms because this is a bill about keeping the tax rates the same.

00:53:34.000 And it actually does make cuts as opposed to what was going to happen without the bill.

00:53:38.000 Here is Speaker Johnson.

00:53:40.000 Elon and I left on a great note.

00:53:42.000 We were texting one another, you know, happy text, you know, Monday.

00:53:45.000 And then yesterday, you know, 24 hours later, he does a 180 and he comes out and opposed the bill.

00:53:51.000 And it surprised me, frankly.

00:53:53.000 And I don't take it personal.

00:53:54.000 We don't take it personal.

00:53:56.000 You know, policy differences are not personal.

00:54:02.000 Now, again, I think that Speaker Johnson is correct about this.

00:54:06.000 The CBO is saying that the Big Beautiful Bill would add $2.4 trillion to the deficit over the next 10 years and leave something like 11 million people without health insurance.

00:54:16.000 That's not actually what would happen.

00:54:17.000 It would actually happen as people would shift onto private health insurance.

00:54:20.000 States would pick up a lot of the burden here.

00:54:22.000 One of the things that's happening is that the federal government, in putting work requirements, for example, on Medicaid, would just shift that burden over to the states, who presumably would then increase the amount they're spending on their own Medicaid.

00:54:33.000 But the bottom line in all of this is that without the bill, recession is coming.

00:54:37.000 That is a point made by the director of the Office of Management and Budget, Russ Vogt.

00:54:41.000 He says, listen, we would love to bend the cost curve, but the reality is that if the taxes increase, we've got a recession on our hands.

00:54:48.000 If H.R. 1 fails, if whatever comes back from the Senate fails to get to the desk of the president and signed into law, what happens at the end of this year?

00:54:58.000 I think we'll have a recession.

00:54:59.000 I think we will be, economic storm clouds will be very dark.

00:55:03.000 I think we'll have a 60% tax increase on the American people.

00:55:09.000 Okay, and again, he is right about that.

00:55:11.000 The Wall Street Journal makes the point, bottom line, this is a tax bill.

00:55:13.000 You can call it a spending bill all you want.

00:55:15.000 It is a tax bill.

00:55:15.000 It is a bill that prevents the taxes from increasing.

00:55:19.000 They point out, we are now at the Congressional Budget Office panic stage of the budget debate as Democrats in the press pretend to care about the federal deficit and debt.

00:55:26.000 Congress's budget gnomes estimate that the House bill would add $2.4 trillion to the federal deficit over 10 years.

00:55:32.000 This includes what CBO says are some $5.3 trillion in tax cuts, offset by some $2.9 trillion in tax increases and spending reductions.

00:55:40.000 The report kicked off the usual wailing and gnashing of teeth whenever Republicans propose to reduce taxes, though not when Democrats are advocating.

00:55:46.000 Do you remember the consternation when Joe Biden and Democrats passed their Inflation Reduction Act?

00:55:52.000 We don't.

00:55:53.000 CBO and the Joint Committee on Taxation estimated the energy and climate provisions of that bill at $391 billion over 10 years.

00:56:00.000 But the subsidies were actually open-ended.

00:56:01.000 Goldman Sachs said it would cost $1.2 trillion.

00:56:04.000 The Wall Street Journal points out the CBO is not a peerless oracle.

00:56:07.000 It is often wrong.

00:56:09.000 It estimated the 2010 federal takeover of student loans would raise money for the government, but instead it cost the Treasury hundreds of billions of dollars.

00:56:16.000 And the Wall Street Journal acknowledges that there's a bunch of problems with the bill.

00:56:27.000 Add that to President Trump's tariffs, and a recession becomes probable.

00:56:31.000 And if there's a recession, then the deficit actually soars because economic growth has to occur in order for there to be higher tax revenues.

00:56:38.000 Speaking of the tariffs, by the way, the Congressional Budget Office delivered two reports yesterday.

00:56:42.000 One was about the probable impact of the bill.

00:56:45.000 They say a $2.4 trillion increase in the debt based on But they also put out a report about the tariffs.

00:56:56.000 And this report is kind of fascinating because this report says that the tariffs announced through May 13th would actually reduce the cumulative budget deficit by $3 trillion or $2.8 trillion after adjusting for the hit they caused to growth and investment.

00:57:09.000 So in other words, if the tariffs stayed in place and the tax cuts went through and you added it all together, theoretically, the budget deficit should decrease.

00:57:18.000 Because if you are getting $2.8 trillion of reduction in the budget deficit from the tariffs and $2.4 billion in increase in the budget deficit from the tax cuts, that is a net of $400 billion to the federal government.

00:57:33.000 CBO also calculated the tariff policies will increase inflation by 0.4 percentage points in 2025 and 2026, reducing the purchasing power of households and businesses.

00:57:44.000 Now, again, the CBO has opened up critiques on all sides.

00:57:47.000 I think you can say that the CBO is far too optimistic about democratic spending.

00:57:51.000 I think, frankly, they're far too optimistic about the tariffs.

00:57:54.000 I think the idea that the tariffs are going to bring in that level of revenue, I have my doubts on all of that for sure, especially because I think people, if the tariffs are high enough that people stop buying from abroad, then you don't make tariff revenue.

00:58:07.000 If the tariffs are not high enough and people keep importing stuff from abroad, you don't get a reconstruction of the manufacturing base in the United States.

00:58:13.000 This is the puzzle in which.

00:58:17.000 That puzzle was made clear by the Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick yesterday, who seemed to be sort of unclear on whether tariffs are good in and of themselves, or whether the goal is to get other countries to lower their tariffs in reciprocal fashion.

00:58:30.000 There was a pretty fascinating exchange he had with Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana.

00:58:35.000 Are you or are you not seeking reciprocity in these trade deals?

00:58:39.000 We are absolutely seeking reciprocity with respect to things that can be reciprocal.

00:58:45.000 But you just said that if a country came to you and offered you the ultimate reciprocity, no tariffs, no trade barriers, in return for us doing the same, you would reject that.

00:59:01.000 Of course, because they buy from China and send it to us. 0.99

00:59:03.000 Don't you agree with me?

00:59:04.000 Suppose they said we won't buy from China.

00:59:06.000 Now we're talking.

00:59:08.000 Now we're talking.

00:59:09.000 If it was Vietnam, would you accept that deal? 0.86

00:59:13.000 We would consider it.

00:59:16.000 So the problem for Lutnik is that Lutnik believes that tariffs are inherently good, that they bring in revenue.

00:59:21.000 And so his idea is that we should keep the tariffs on countries, even if they offer us basically zero tariffs and zero non-tariff barriers.

00:59:29.000 So which is it?

00:59:30.000 Are we doing reciprocal tariffs?

00:59:31.000 Or are we actually just tariffing people because we think tariffs are inherently good?

00:59:35.000 This is one of the conflicts inside the tariff policy.

00:59:39.000 All of this sort of unease and unrest in the markets means that the Federal Reserve is less likely to move.

00:59:46.000 So Jerome Powell yesterday announced that the rates would remain unchanged, mainly due to the uncertainty in the market.

00:59:51.000 So yeah, inflation is down year on year.

00:59:52.000 It's down to about 2.1%, which is where you want it to be.

00:59:55.000 That doesn't mean it's time to open the spigot, says Jerome Powell, because we don't know what's happening, really.

01:00:00.000 In support of our goals, today the Federal Open Market Committee decided to leave our policy interest rate unchanged.

01:00:07.000 The risks of higher unemployment and higher inflation appear to have risen, and we believe that the current stance of monetary policy leaves us well positioned to respond in a timely way to potential economic developments.

01:00:22.000 So what he's saying is we still don't know how this is going to shake out and we would like to have the tool in our arsenal of being able to lower interest rates if things actually do start to slow down.

01:00:30.000 The bottom line is that.

01:00:37.000 Tariffs remain on the table.

01:00:39.000 Unclear which direction those moves.

01:00:41.000 And as I've said a thousand times at this point, uncertainty is its own form of risk when it comes to the markets.

01:00:47.000 Meanwhile, on the foreign policy front, a wide variety of countries are reorienting not toward the United States, but toward China in the aftermath of the trade war.

01:00:55.000 In South Korea, Lee Jae-myung.

01:00:58.000 who rose from childhood poverty to become South Korea's leading liberal politician, vowing to fight inequality and corruption, will become the country's next president on Wednesday, according to the Associated Press, after an election that closed one of the most turbulent chapters in the Young Democracy.

01:01:11.000 Lee is the candidate of the Liberal Opposition Democratic Party and is taking office for a full single five-year term, succeeding Yoon Suk-yeol, the conservative, who's felled because he briefly imposed martial law back in December, claiming that essentially the parliament was thwarting his efforts to actually do anything.

01:01:29.000 Unclear what this is going to mean for foreign policy.

01:01:31.000 But Lee has been accused by his critics of tilting toward China and North Korea and away from the United States and Japan.

01:01:39.000 And he apparently is reluctant to negotiate with the United States over tariff rates on Korea.

01:01:45.000 Instead, he seems to want to negotiate more with the North Koreans and with the Chinese.

01:02:01.000 His critics view him as a dangerous populist.

01:02:05.000 He has promised to develop an alliance with the United States and solidify the Seoul-Washington-Tokyo partnership.

01:02:11.000 But we will see whether that is true or not, or whether he is going to reorient toward China.

01:02:17.000 Again, when it comes to the tariff hikes, apparently he's reluctant to actually restructure.

01:02:21.000 Along those lines.

01:02:23.000 And one of the problems with declaring a tariff war is there are people on the other side who may not very much like the tariffs that are being levied on them and may in fact respond in a rather different way.

01:02:33.000 Speaking of shifts away from America based on the trade war, Canada is doing the same thing.

01:02:37.000 According to Politico, the new finance minister, François-Philippe Champagne, is signaling a bold shift in Canadian defense spending, one where the military is a national priority.

01:02:47.000 They want to rebuild their armed forces and rebuild their infrastructure.

01:02:50.000 They're not going to actually buy their stuff from the United States.

01:02:54.000 Instead, apparently, they want to buy their stuff from Europe.

01:02:57.000 They're reorienting away from the United States.

01:03:01.000 So, and that is one of the predictable results of the fact that the United States has drawn itself away from Canada.

01:03:07.000 And there's geopolitical risks to the kind of games that are being played economically.

01:03:11.000 And what we are watching in real time is the development of regional blocs all over the world.

01:03:17.000 You're seeing this happen in Europe as well.

01:03:20.000 So in Ukraine, Vladimir Putin continues to be wildly intransigent about any sort of serious negotiation.

01:03:27.000 And that means that the Europeans are going to have to step up weaponry production.

01:03:32.000 The United States seems to be, despite Putin's intransigence, actually drawing down our support for Ukraine.

01:03:39.000 So, for example, the Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that the Trump administration is redirecting a key anti-drone technology earmarked for Ukraine to American forces, a move that reflects the Pentagon's waning commitment to Kiev's defenses.

01:03:50.000 The Pentagon quietly notified Congress last week that special fuses for rockets that Ukraine uses to shoot down Russian drones are now being allocated to U.S. Air Force units in the Middle East.

01:03:58.000 Now, to be fair, that may not be about Ukraine.

01:04:00.000 That might be about the risks of Iran, which we'll get to in a moment.

01:04:04.000 However, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth skipped a meeting Wednesday at NATO with European defense ministers on coordinating military aid to Ukraine.

01:04:12.000 He's warned European allies must provide the overwhelming share of future military assistance to Kyiv while casting the Western Pacific As the Pentagon's priority theater.

01:04:20.000 Again, if the idea is we need to shift resources to fight off China over Taiwan, that's fine. 0.75

01:04:26.000 Or if the idea is that we need to shift resources to prevent the nuclearization of Iran, that's fine. 0.78

01:04:31.000 If the ideas were just withdrawing from Ukraine, not so fine.

01:04:34.000 That would be the big problem.

01:04:35.000 Because, of course, Russia continues to be on the move throughout all of this.

01:04:41.000 The Russian government continues to be very loud in its rejection of calls for peace talks.

01:04:47.000 Senior Kremlin official Dmitry Medvedev, who was formerly the president of Russia, when essentially Putin stepped out of the position for a moment and was using him as a marionette.

01:04:58.000 He wrote on Twitter, quote, that negotiations in Istanbul are not aimed at a compromise peace based on someone else's delusional terms.

01:05:04.000 The goal instead is, quote, our swift victory and the complete destruction of the neo-Nazi regime, which is how they describe Zelensky's government in Kiev.

01:05:12.000 President Trump said on Wednesday that he had spoken by phone to Vladimir Putin for 75 minutes.

01:05:17.000 There is no new interest in peace.

01:05:19.000 He wrote, quote, President Putin did say, and very strongly, that he will have to respond to the recent attacks on the Russian airfields.

01:05:25.000 And then later, he posted a link to a column supporting a Senate sanctions bill against countries that buy energy from Russia.

01:05:32.000 But will the Senate go ahead with it?

01:05:34.000 Unclear.

01:05:36.000 Again, the Trump foreign policy is still taking shape along a wide variety of lines.

01:05:42.000 NATO's Mark Rudy is saying that Russia is producing four times more weapons in a year than all of NATO.

01:05:47.000 So, even if the United States wishes to withdraw from its support of Ukraine, if that happens right away, that's a disaster area for Ukraine and for NATO.

01:05:55.000 At the very least, we need to cover until NATO fills the gap.

01:05:59.000 First of all, let's agree why it is necessary to spend so much more.

01:06:03.000 That is because the Russian threat is there, is there for the long term, and the Russians, as we speak, are reconstituting themselves at a rapid pace. 0.74

01:06:11.000 I mentioned this number before, the fact that with only having only a 2 trillion economy compared to a 50 trillion economy for NATO, 25 times bigger, they producing four times more in terms of ammunition than the whole of NATO is doing.

01:06:28.000 They produce in three months what the whole of NATO is producing in a year, whilst they are only 2 trillion compared to our 50 trillion, so 25 times smaller than NATO.

01:06:36.000 you Totally great.

01:06:42.000 We should be doing that.

01:06:44.000 NATO should do that.

01:06:45.000 At the same time, if we leave a gap big enough for Putin to drive a Mack truck through, that's going to be a major problem for NATO and for broader American defense priorities.

01:06:53.000 Meanwhile, speaking of foreign policy threats, Iran makes clear every single day that they are not interested in denuclearization.

01:06:59.000 The reason being, presumably, that their entire pitch to their people is that they need to become a nuclear power in order to threaten the Jewish state The regime remains in place. 0.77

01:07:10.000 Because what Iran knows, by looking at North Korea, for example, is that you can completely repress your people for literally generations the minute you have one nuclear warhead. 0.91

01:07:18.000 And you can threaten people around you in more solid fashion.

01:07:23.000 Well, Iran keeps saying this over and over and over.

01:07:25.000 So the United States has sent over, of course, Steve Woodcoff, the special envoy, to negotiate.

01:07:30.000 President Trump has said over and over for more than 10 years at this point that the JCPOA, the Barack Obama era, Terrible Iran nuclear deal was, in fact, the worst deal ever cut by an American president.

01:07:39.000 Denuclearization is the goal. 0.91

01:07:40.000 President Trump has said that.

01:07:42.000 Iran's supreme leader is saying the opposite.

01:07:44.000 So, yesterday, he effectively rejected a U.S. proposal that would allow even temporary uranium enrichment in the country before ending it completely.

01:07:53.000 Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, speaking Wednesday on the anniversary of the death of his predecessor, said the recent U.S. offer to Iran to resolve the standoff over Tehran's nuclear program breached Tehran's principles of independence.

01:08:02.000 Quote, To the American side and others, we say, why are you interfering and trying to say whether Iran should have uranium enrichment or not?

01:08:08.000 That's none of your business.

01:08:10.000 Well, then what the hell exactly are the negotiations over?

01:08:13.000 I'm confused.

01:08:14.000 Are we negotiating over Iran's magical peach supply?

01:08:17.000 Like, what are we talking about here?

01:08:19.000 The whole thing is about uranium enrichment.

01:08:21.000 So if Iran is saying you have no say in it, then the negotiations are effectively over.

01:08:26.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, Iran and the United States have held five rounds of nuclear talk so far.

01:08:30.000 The two sides have clashed.

01:08:31.000 Over Washington's insistence that Tehran give up enrichment. 0.98

01:08:34.000 Iran keeps saying its nuclear work is peaceful, but of course, that's absolute trash. 1.00

01:08:39.000 It's not true. 0.73

01:08:40.000 Last week, President Trump's Special Envoy Steve Whitcoff submitted what the United States called a term sheet to Tehran, which one official said allowed Iran to enrich a limited amount of uranium for a period of time before phasing it out.

01:08:50.000 So that was better than any prior sort of offer, and Iran turned even that down publicly.

01:08:59.000 There would be a consortium that would presumably allow Iran to have peaceful nuclear energy, but it would be run by non-Iranians. 0.99

01:09:04.000 And Iran's like, nope, we're not doing that.

01:09:06.000 Why do you think that is?

01:09:07.000 The reason that is is because they don't care about peaceful nuclear energy.

01:09:09.000 Why do they need it? 0.72

01:09:10.000 They're one of the most gas and oil rich places on planet Earth.

01:09:13.000 They don't need a nuclear facility for any reason whatsoever, except to develop nuclear weapons.

01:09:18.000 That is the whole shtick.

01:09:20.000 And well, some of this broke out into a bit of a public tête-à-tête, mainly from Tucker Carlson.

01:09:25.000 So Mark Levin, of course, I'm friends with Mark.

01:09:29.000 Mark, according to Tucker, went to the White House yesterday.

01:09:32.000 Tucker put out a statement that I think is factually incoherent about Mark Levin's position on Iran and Iran itself.

01:09:41.000 It's rather lengthy.

01:09:42.000 He says, Mark Levin was at the White House today lobbying for war with Iran.

01:09:45.000 To be clear, Levin has no plans to fight in this or any other war.

01:09:47.000 This is one of Tucker's schticks, is that if you are not currently serving in the military, then you have to be in favor of apparently dismantling the American military or something like that.

01:09:56.000 The basic argument seems to be that unless you personally plan to fight in a war, then you can never be in favor of American military threat or intervention on any level, which is a weird position to take because I assume he doesn't take that position about the police, that unless you're a member of the police force, you have to be in favor of the police never policing crime.

01:10:14.000 I don't mean here that we are the world's policemen or anything like that.

01:10:17.000 I mean that civilians in the United States have opinions that they vote on on what the non-civilians do.

01:10:23.000 We are a civilian-led country. 0.97

01:10:25.000 The civilians get to tell the military what to do.

01:10:28.000 The president is a civilian.

01:10:29.000 He tells the military what to do.

01:10:31.000 We are the voters.

01:10:31.000 We elect the president.

01:10:32.000 When it comes to the police department, the police department works for the general public.

01:10:36.000 The police department doesn't get to make its own decisions about what to do about crime.

01:10:40.000 The general public decides what to do about crime and thus hires police officers and backs police officers and supports police officers.

01:10:46.000 He says he's demanding that American troops do it.

01:10:48.000 We need to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons. 0.97

01:10:50.000 He and like-minded ideologues in Washington are now arguing.

01:10:52.000 They're just weeks away.

01:10:53.000 So first of all, that's not Mark and like-minded ideologues.

01:10:57.000 That's Donald J. Trump.

01:10:58.000 That is President Trump.

01:11:00.000 We need to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons. 0.97

01:11:01.000 He's a Donald J. Trump position.

01:11:03.000 It has been a Donald J. Trump position for well over a decade.

01:11:07.000 So if Tucker wants to argue with somebody on that, he should be arguing with the President of the United States.

01:11:12.000 By the way, that also happens to be the stated position of the Vice President of the United States, the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of Defense.

01:11:19.000 So if Tucker is in favor of the proposition that no one needs to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons, perhaps you should take it up with the administration.

01:11:28.000 Quote, if this sounds familiar, it's because the same people have been making the same claim since at least the 1990s.

01:11:32.000 It's a lie.

01:11:33.000 In fact, there is zero credible intelligence that suggests Iran is anywhere near building a bomb or has plans to.

01:11:39.000 None.

01:11:40.000 So first of all, I wonder what Tucker's intelligence capacities are.

01:11:44.000 What is his access to this special intelligence of which we know?

01:11:47.000 Not. 0.96

01:11:48.000 He says anyone who claims otherwise is ignorant or dishonest. 0.93

01:11:50.000 So he has special knowledge. 1.00

01:11:52.000 Or you're a liar, is I guess the two choices.

01:11:55.000 If the U.S. government knew Iran was weak from possessing a nuclear weapon, we'd be at war already.

01:11:59.000 But I thought that we wouldn't be at war already, even if Iran was weeks from possessing a nuclear weapon, because we don't care if Iran has a nuclear weapon, according to Tucker.

01:12:05.000 By the way, people who say that Iran is developing a nuclear weapon and nuclear fuel and all that, that would be the IAEA, which...

01:12:20.000 One suggesting that on Saturday, again, the IAEA is not a Zionist outlet, okay?

01:12:24.000 The IAEA published Saturday that Iran has accumulated more than 400 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium.

01:12:31.000 Civilian nuclear energy is like 3.67%.

01:12:33.000 The only reason you're enriching to 60% is to get to a bomb.

01:12:36.000 If enriched to 90%, such a quantity is enough for 10 nuclear bombs.

01:12:40.000 A second IAEA report published Saturday made clear that Iran hasn't given satisfactory answers to IAEA investigations regarding several undeclared nuclear sites in the country.

01:12:49.000 So, I mean, that's some evidence.

01:12:50.000 I mean, that's not none.

01:12:53.000 Beyond which, here are tweets from the Ayatollah Khamenei over the course of the last week.

01:12:57.000 Thanks to the intelligence of our youth and the dedication of our scientists, Iran has succeeded in achieving a complete nuclear fuel cycle. 0.68

01:13:03.000 So today we're capable of producing nuclear fuel, starting from the mine and all the way to the power plant.

01:13:11.000 Quote, A few years ago, one of the U.S. presidents said he would dismantle the nuts and bolts of Iran's nuclear industry if he could. 0.56

01:13:28.000 Of course, he admitted that he couldn't.

01:13:30.000 Those in power today, the Zionists and the Americans, should know they can't do a damn thing in this area. 0.99

01:13:34.000 So, who's talking about nuclear power?

01:13:36.000 The Ayatollahs? 0.95

01:13:37.000 The IAEA?

01:13:38.000 Literally everyone.

01:13:40.000 So that's not no evidence.

01:13:41.000 That seems like fairly solid evidence.

01:13:43.000 Actually, like publicly stated evidence.

01:13:45.000 And that's not even getting into whatever is in the SCIF, whatever is in the special intelligence rooms.

01:13:49.000 So unless Tucker has some secret knowledge, which he probably should share with the world, that Iran is not developing nuclear weapons and has no plans to, contra literally all available intelligence, then maybe he should reveal it.

01:14:01.000 Tucker says Iran knows this, which is why they aren't building one.

01:14:04.000 They're not building a nuclear weapon.

01:14:05.000 Iran also knows it's unwise to give up its weapons programs entirely.

01:14:08.000 So now he's trying to say that Iran isn't building one, but also they are building one because if they were to give up building one, then bad things would happen.

01:14:17.000 Okay?

01:14:18.000 Seems to contradict itself, but all right.

01:14:19.000 Muammar Gaddafi tried that and wound up sodomized with a bayonet.

01:14:22.000 Okay, so here I do agree with Tucker.

01:14:26.000 The American actions in the overthrow of Gaddafi were a disgrace.

01:14:29.000 I said so at the time.

01:14:31.000 The Hillary Clinton-led intervention in Libya was a disaster area.

01:14:34.000 It never should have happened.

01:14:35.000 Well, Mark Gaddafi had given up his nuclear weapons and the attempted overthrow and successful overthrow of the government of Libya did not end in good fashion for the United States, considering the burning of the embassy in Benghazi and the killing of our diplomats.

01:14:49.000 He says as soon as Gaddafi disarmed, NATO killed him.

01:14:51.000 Iran's leaders saw that happen.

01:14:52.000 They learned the obvious lesson.

01:14:54.000 So why is Mark Levin once again hyperventilating about weapons of mass destruction to distract you from the real goal?

01:14:59.000 Which is regime change.

01:15:00.000 Young Americans headed back to the Middle East to topple yet another government. 0.99

01:15:03.000 Okay, literally no one says this.

01:15:05.000 No one.

01:15:06.000 Mark hasn't said this.

01:15:06.000 I haven't said this.

01:15:07.000 No one has said that we should be sending hundreds of thousands of American troops to topple the regime in Iran.

01:15:12.000 No one.

01:15:14.000 Zero people.

01:15:15.000 So that is total projection or speculation by Tucker.

01:15:18.000 And it's basically John Kerry, Barack Obama logic, which is that you have to let Iran go nuclear or you have to topple the regime.

01:15:23.000 There's no third choice.

01:15:24.000 And that if you actually do, Well, I've never suggested that Iran is going to nuke Los Angeles.

01:15:52.000 I've suggested that Iran is a threat to all of our regional allies at the very least. 1.00

01:15:56.000 And we'll reshape the map of the Middle East, which has serious resource implication and alliance implications for countries that Tucker likes, like Qatar, for example, or the UAE or Saudi Arabia.

01:16:07.000 Saudi Arabia and UAE are virulently opposed to an Iran nuclear program.

01:16:12.000 So, talking about manufacturing hysteria, then he gets to the manufacturing hysteria section here.

01:16:18.000 He says, they don't really mean this.

01:16:19.000 And you can tell they don't by what they omit.

01:16:21.000 At least two of Iran's neighbors, both Islamic nations, already have nuclear weapons.

01:16:25.000 He says that fact should scare the hell out of Mark Levin.

01:16:27.000 So first of all, which?

01:16:29.000 I mean, that's fact.

01:16:31.000 Is there a second one?

01:16:32.000 I know Pakistan has nuclear weapons. 0.93

01:16:34.000 Is there another nuclear-armed Muslim nation there? 1.00

01:16:38.000 If so, Tucker should probably tell us about that.

01:16:39.000 That seems like kind of a problem.

01:16:42.000 Unless he's aware of, again, facts that we are not aware of, and I don't know why he would be privy to such facts.

01:16:47.000 He says that fact should scare the hell out of Mark Levin, yet for some reason he never mentions it.

01:16:51.000 How come?

01:16:51.000 Because it's not the weapons he hates, it's the ideology of the Iranian government, which is why he's lobbying to overthrow it.

01:16:56.000 Well, it's not just the weapons, it is also the ideology.

01:17:00.000 Like, the UK has nuclear weapons, and I don't oppose the UK having nuclear weapons because their ideology does not oppose the West and call us the Great Satan.

01:17:08.000 So yeah, I'm a little more concerned when a country that calls America the Great Satan has nuclear weapons than when France has nuclear weapons, or Israel has nuclear weapons, or India has nuclear weapons.

01:17:18.000 He says it goes without saying there are very few Trump voters who'd support a regime change war in Iran.

01:17:23.000 I agree.

01:17:24.000 I would not support a regime change war in Iran that involves hundreds of thousands of American troops.

01:17:29.000 Agree.

01:17:30.000 Donald Trump has argued loudly against reckless lunacy like this.

01:17:33.000 Trump ran for president as a peace candidate.

01:17:35.000 That's what made him different from conventional Republicans.

01:17:36.000 It's why he won.

01:17:38.000 Well, actually, that's not true.

01:17:39.000 Iran is a peace through strength candidate.

01:17:41.000 And then during his first term, he actually made that happen with the Abraham Accords by killing Qasem Soleimani.

01:17:45.000 I still am wondering what Tucker's opinion is.

01:17:47.000 On the killing of Qasem Soleimani, I believe he thought that would lead to a regional war as well.

01:17:50.000 A war with Iran would amount to a profound betrayal of his supporters who would end his presidency.

01:17:54.000 That may explain why so many of Trump's enemies are advocating for it.

01:17:57.000 Well, again, no one is advocating...

01:18:03.000 No one is advocating for a full-scale war with Iran.

01:18:06.000 We did not go to full-scale war with Iran when Ronald Reagan sank their entire navy in 1988.

01:18:12.000 And then there's the question of the war itself.

01:18:14.000 So here is Tucker's hysteria about what it would mean for there to be a strike on nuclear facilities.

01:18:19.000 Iran may not have nukes, but it has a fearsome arsenal of ballistic missiles, many of which are aimed at U.S. military installations.

01:18:42.000 A surge in oil prices would be very short-lived considering that all the major oil producers who are not Iran are allied with the United States against the Iranian nuclear program, including, by the way, the United States, the number one oil producer on planet Earth.

01:18:54.000 Right now, the price of oil is so low that we're not even opening new fracking wells in the United States.

01:19:00.000 Saudi doesn't want an Iranian nuclear program.

01:19:02.000 UAE does not want an Iranian nuclear program.

01:19:05.000 When he says the first week of a war with Iran would easily kill thousands of Americans or could, I assume he said the same thing about Qasem Soleimani.

01:19:12.000 It didn't.

01:19:13.000 And the reason for that is obvious.

01:19:15.000 If Iran were actually to fire a bunch of ballistic missiles at American military bases around the region, we would, in fact, use our air power to decapitate the regime, and they know it. 0.84

01:19:23.000 Which is why, for example, after Israel completely defenestrated its own air defense, it didn't launch several thousand missiles at Israel because it knew that if it had done that, then there would have been full-scale attempts to decapitate the regime.

01:19:35.000 Iran knows that.

01:19:36.000 It is a weak regime.

01:19:38.000 Economically?

01:19:39.000 It is a weaker-than-expected regime militarily.

01:19:41.000 Its terror proxies all over the region have been wildly hampered, including Hezbollah, which is so ineffective that it lost Syria, not just Lebanon.

01:19:49.000 Tucker says, the second week of the war could be even worse.

01:19:52.000 Iran isn't Iraq or Libya or even North Korea.

01:19:54.000 While it's often described as a rogue state, Iran has powerful allies.

01:19:57.000 It's now part of a global bloc called BRICS, which represents the majority of the world's landmass population economy and military power.

01:20:03.000 Iran has extensive military ties with Russia.

01:20:05.000 It sells the overwhelming majority of its oil exports to China.

01:20:08.000 Iran isn't alone.

01:20:09.000 An attack on Iran could very easily become a world war which we would lose.

01:20:11.000 So his theory now is that the BRICS nations will suddenly solidify as an axis against the United States if we hit their nuclear facilities or if Israel does?

01:20:20.000 That's the idea?

01:20:22.000 Really?

01:20:23.000 Okay, let me just explain which nations are members of BRICS.

01:20:27.000 So Iran is, of course, a member of BRICS.

01:20:29.000 I'm trying to remember all the other members of BRICS who are the BRICS.

01:20:33.000 I'm asking our sponsors at Perplexity really quickly, who are the other members of BRICS?

01:20:38.000 Just to remind me.

01:20:39.000 The BRICS group is 11 member countries.

01:20:41.000 Originally, of course, it was Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa.

01:20:44.000 Those were the ones that I knew off the top of my head.

01:20:46.000 But in 2024, 2025, there were a bunch of other countries that were added.

01:20:50.000 That'd be Egypt, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE.

01:20:55.000 Brazil.

01:20:56.000 Brazil is going to join like a military alliance with Iran.

01:21:00.000 They have some warm relations.

01:21:01.000 They're going to join a military actual alliance with Iran, is the theory.

01:21:06.000 China is going to join a military alliance with Iran, sufficient that they're going to get involved in a world war around losing its nuclear facilities?

01:21:13.000 Are you even kidding me?

01:21:15.000 What?

01:21:17.000 What?

01:21:17.000 China won't even risk that over Russia having its airplanes being blown up on the ground in Ukraine.

01:21:22.000 And Russia is a way more important ally to China than Iran is.

01:21:26.000 By the way, other members of BRICS include Egypt.

01:21:29.000 Which doesn't want a nuclear program in Iran and hates Iran.

01:21:32.000 The UAE, which despises Iran and the nuclear program.

01:21:37.000 It includes India, which is allied against Pakistan.

01:21:41.000 That's that other Muslim country with a nuclear weapon. 1.00

01:21:44.000 India does not exactly have warm relations.

01:21:46.000 India is going to jump in in a world war on the side of Iran. 0.98

01:21:49.000 Really?

01:21:50.000 South Africa, which again, I wasn't aware that we care very much what South Africa does considering.

01:21:57.000 That they are the source of, as President Trump has suggested, tremendous racism against whites.

01:22:02.000 Ethiopia, ah, the deep and abiding threat of Ethiopian military prowess. 1.00

01:22:07.000 I'm sure the United States is deeply concerned.

01:22:10.000 Indonesia ain't jumping into nothing.

01:22:11.000 So what is it?

01:22:12.000 And he says Russia.

01:22:13.000 Russia can't even handle the Ukrainians right now. 1.00

01:22:15.000 So his theory is that if the Iranian nuclear facilities are blown up by Israel or by the United States in the absence of some sort of basic capitulation to Iran.

01:22:26.000 Then Brazil, Russia, China, India, Ethiopia, South Africa, Egypt, UAE, and Indonesia are all going to jump in on the side of Iran to launch a world war against the United States. 0.93

01:22:37.000 And he's saying that people who worry about the Iranian nuclear program are hysterical?

01:22:43.000 That's the hysteria?

01:22:45.000 Honestly, I need a step-by-step here.

01:22:48.000 I need a step-by-step on how that happens.

01:22:50.000 Truly.

01:22:50.000 And what the chances are.

01:22:52.000 He says none of these are far-fetched predictions.

01:22:54.000 I mean, yes, they really, really, really are.

01:22:57.000 He says most of them comport with the Pentagon's own estimates.

01:23:00.000 Many Americans would die during a war with Iran.

01:23:01.000 Now, again, he is characterizing a war with Iran as full-scale invasion of Iran.

01:23:06.000 Yes, if we did a full-scale invasion of Iran, many Americans would die.

01:23:10.000 If we hit the nuclear facilities, that is a far less likely possibility.

01:23:14.000 And if Israel does it and we're not even involved, it's an even lower possibility.

01:23:18.000 And then Tucker gets into his favorite game, which is to accuse.

01:23:22.000 The people he's talking about are not caring about Americans.

01:23:24.000 This is his favorite game.

01:23:25.000 He loves doing this.

01:23:27.000 It's amazing.

01:23:29.000 Tucker will impute to people who disagree with him characterizations about him that they've not made.

01:23:36.000 He's done this with me.

01:23:37.000 He does it with Mark as well.

01:23:38.000 He says, people like Mark Levin don't seem to care about this.

01:23:41.000 It's not relevant to them.

01:23:42.000 So he basically says that Mark does not care about Americans dying.

01:23:46.000 So I guess Mark hates America is basically his proposition.

01:23:49.000 It's not relevant to them.

01:23:50.000 Instead, they insist that Iran give up all uranium enrichment, regardless of its purpose.

01:23:54.000 Regardless of its purpose.

01:23:55.000 Please explain the need for a uranium enrichment program, Tucker.

01:23:58.000 They know perfectly well that Iran will never accept that demand.

01:24:01.000 They'll fight first.

01:24:02.000 And of course, that's the whole point of pushing for it.

01:24:03.000 To box the Trump administration into a regime change war in Iran.

01:24:06.000 Again, it is the stated position of Donald J. Trump for 10 years that Iran cannot have nuclear capacity.

01:24:13.000 That is not Mark Levin's position.

01:24:15.000 The president, as we have very well learned on every available topic, The president has his own mind.

01:24:24.000 The president makes up his own mind.

01:24:26.000 And Tucker's attempts here to sort of force Trump into a position by suggesting that Mark is manipulating Trump or something.

01:24:34.000 Absurd.

01:24:36.000 The one thing that people like Mark Levin don't want is a peaceful solution to the problem of Iran, despite the obvious benefits to the United States, says Tucker.

01:24:43.000 Well, actually, I'm sure that Mark would very much like a peaceful resolution of the problem in Iran.

01:24:48.000 If Iran, for example, were to say we will give up all nuclearization efforts monitored by the United States today and we will stop building ballistic missile programs and we'll stop supporting terror groups all over the region, I'm sure Mark would be on board. 0.92

01:25:00.000 I would be on board.

01:25:01.000 I don't know anyone who wouldn't be on board.

01:25:03.000 The terms of a deal are what makes a deal bad or good.

01:25:08.000 And then Tucker says they denounce anyone who advocates for a deal as a traitor and a bigot.

01:25:12.000 This is such absolute projection.

01:25:14.000 Mark has not called Tucker a traitor or a bigot.

01:25:16.000 He's not done any of that.

01:25:18.000 I have not called Tucker a traitor and a bigot.

01:25:19.000 Tucker has called both of us traitors and bigots.

01:25:22.000 But we have not done that.

01:25:23.000 It's absolute sheer projection.

01:25:25.000 Since they tell us with a straight face that Long Island native Steve Witkoff is a secret tool of Islamic monarchies. 1.00

01:25:30.000 Well, no.

01:25:32.000 What we've said, what I've said about Steve Witkoff is that Steve Witkoff appears to not be a particularly useful special envoy and that Steve Witkoff has deep and abiding business relationships with Qatar, which is true.

01:25:44.000 That happens to be the case.

01:25:46.000 Says they'll say or do whatever it takes.

01:25:48.000 They have no limits.

01:25:49.000 These are scary people.

01:25:50.000 Now you get into the emotional and overwrought and rather hysterical characterization of his enemies as they'll say or do whatever it takes.

01:25:57.000 They have no limits.

01:25:58.000 They're scary.

01:26:00.000 Pray that Donald Trump ignores them.

01:26:03.000 If something can be characterized as hysterical here, it would be this post from Tucker.

01:26:07.000 And I felt like it was worth going through in detail because there are so many factual errors and logical mistakes here that it demonstrates, I think, a serious flaw in thinking.

01:26:15.000 Again, President Trump has made clear that JCPOA was a bad deal because it was.

01:26:21.000 He ran on that.

01:26:22.000 He won on it twice.

01:26:24.000 He undid JCPOA in his first term.

01:26:26.000 He killed Qasem Soleimani, the Iranian terror master, in his first term.

01:26:30.000 No world war broke out.

01:26:33.000 Joe Biden came in.

01:26:33.000 He restored sanctions relief to Iran.

01:26:37.000 Joe Biden came in.

01:26:38.000 He loosened everything he could on Iran. 0.75

01:26:41.000 And the result was a built-up Iranian bulwark all over the region. 1.00

01:26:45.000 That allowed for a massive seven-front terror war against Israel and Iran threatening other neighbors, including Saudi and UAE.

01:26:53.000 And now Donald Trump came back in, promising not to do that anymore.

01:26:56.000 If Tucker wants to go to war with President Trump's actual stated policy preferences for 10 years, he's free to do that.

01:27:03.000 But you'll notice that he's attacking Mark based on, I guess, a leaked conversation.

01:27:08.000 So again, I have a few questions.

01:27:10.000 What special knowledge does Tucker Carlson have about What special insight does he have into what goes on in the Oval Office and why?

01:27:20.000 I mean, like the secret meetings that are happening or people who are talking in the Oval Office, somebody is leaking to him.

01:27:26.000 And finally, what is the logical proposition that is even being expressed here other than in the end, that Tucker doesn't care if Iran goes nuclear?

01:27:34.000 I just don't see, does he care?

01:27:36.000 I mean, if he does, he should speak up.

01:27:38.000 Does he care if Iran gets a nuclear weapon?

01:27:39.000 He seems not to.

01:27:40.000 So if he doesn't care, then he should just say so.

01:27:43.000 Truly.

01:27:45.000 Because he seems to want it both ways.

01:27:46.000 He seems to say that if Iran gains a peaceful nuclear program because he trusts the Iranians, I suppose, then that's no problem to him.

01:27:56.000 But if they openly threaten that it's going to go nuclear, that makes sense and it's fine with him also. 0.97

01:28:00.000 So I have a simple question.

01:28:01.000 Is he fine with Iran going nuclear in terms of weaponry?

01:28:05.000 If the answer is yes, then let's have that discussion.

01:28:07.000 Why is he okay with that?

01:28:09.000 Does he think that's fine?

01:28:10.000 If he thinks that's fine, that at least is an honest conversation.

01:28:13.000 But imputing to all of his opponents a lack of patriotism, a hatred for American troops, a lack of concern about American soldiers' lives in the Middle East, a desire, a deeply rooted desire for a full-scale war with Iran, imputing those motives and opinions to people who literally do not hold those motives and opinions is scurrilous.

01:28:34.000 It's scurrilous, whether he's doing it about Mark, whether he's doing it about me, whether he's doing it about others.

01:28:39.000 And we should note that the position that he is taking a position against, a non-nuclear Iran, is the opposite of President Trump's position and has been, again, for a decade.

01:28:48.000 By the way, I will say it again because I've said it now about a thousand times.

01:28:51.000 Tucker has said many things about me over the course of the last almost two years at this point.

01:28:56.000 And I've offered him multiple times, publicly and privately, to come on the show or have a discussion anywhere about these topics.

01:29:02.000 That invitation remains open.

01:29:05.000 Alrighty, folks, the show continues for our members right now.

01:29:06.000 We're going to do something lighter.

01:29:08.000 There is a new Wicked trailer, Wicked Part 2, and I'm strangely excited.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - June 05, 2025

A Big Announcement! Plus Trump’s NEW Travel Ban!

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