The Ben Shapiro Show - A Bolton Out Of The Blue | Ep. 941

00:00:00.000 John Bolton's book excerpt upends the Trump defense team, Pam Bondi deconstructs Hunter Biden, and it's DEFCON 1 for Joe Biden against Bernie Sanders.

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00:00:24.000 So let's begin with everything impeachment related, because let's face it, right now impeachment and 2020 are all tied together in a ball.

00:00:31.000 It is very obvious at this point that the president is not going to be impeached.

00:00:34.000 That does not mean that he cannot be damaged by the impeachment hearings. 0.96

00:00:37.000 And this is particularly true when you keep putting forward foolish defenses. 0.92

00:00:41.000 So the fact of the matter is very simple here. 0.88

00:00:43.000 The Trump defense team was putting forward a defense that Trump wanted them to put forward.

00:00:47.000 He was not putting forward his own best defense.

00:00:49.000 This is a point that Andy McCarthy has made at National Review.

00:00:51.000 It's a point that I've been making for literally months at this point, which is that President Trump's best defense from the beginning, as soon as it became clear that there was in fact a quid pro quo, was obvious.

00:01:00.000 Yes, a quid-pro-quo happened.

00:01:02.000 No, the quid-pro-quo is not impeachable.

00:01:04.000 And even if you don't like the quid-pro-quo, even if you think the quid-pro-quo is bad, that does not make it impeachable.

00:01:09.000 President Trump rightly suspected that Ukraine had interfered in the 2016 election, not to the same extent as the Russians, and not in replacement of the Russians, but he was right to suspect that the Ukrainians were interfering in the 2016 election because there were multiple credible media reports on that subject, and he was being fed bad information by Rudy Giuliani about everything that was going on.

00:01:27.000 In Ukraine, ranging from the crowd strike, Hillary Clinton's server being buried in the woods outside of Kiev or some such nonsense, to the Hunter Biden stuff, which indeed was suspicious.

00:01:37.000 And because of that, he wanted all of that investigated, and so he used military aid to Ukraine as a way to leverage investigations out of Ukraine.

00:01:44.000 That's not impeachable.

00:01:45.000 You may not like his judgment.

00:01:46.000 You may think it's bad.

00:01:47.000 You may think that it's rough and tumble.

00:01:49.000 You may think that he shouldn't be using foreign policy in order to push for investigations that he could have done through the FBI or the DOJ.

00:01:55.000 All of that is subject for elections.

00:01:58.000 It is not subject for impeachment.

00:01:59.000 That should have been his argument all along.

00:02:01.000 But because President Trump is pathologically incapable of acknowledging that he has ever made a mistake, And because President Trump rips anybody who ever criticizes him as the worst person in the world, President Trump's defense team was then put in the position of making an argument that is not factually based, namely that Trump held up military aid for things having to do nothing with investigations.

00:02:22.000 Now, the problem with that Is it sooner or later there was going to be somebody in Trump's inner circle who said something different?

00:02:27.000 And in fact, we've already seen people in Trump's inner circle saying things that are different.

00:02:30.000 For example, Mick Mulvaney, his office of management and budget chief, the guy who is now his chief of staff.

00:02:36.000 He suggested in a press conference openly that yes, there is a quid pro quo.

00:02:39.000 No, the quid pro quo is not legitimate.

00:02:40.000 That is a fair defense.

00:02:42.000 And now John Bolton is suggesting the same thing.

00:02:44.000 And Team Trump is being sort of upended by this supposed revelation.

00:02:49.000 Now again, that shouldn't have been a revelation.

00:02:51.000 The normal response from Team Trump should have been, right, that's correct, he did withhold the aid, contingent on Ukraine doing investigations, but there's nothing illegal about that, nor is there anything impeachable about that.

00:03:05.000 But because President Trump insists that his people always defend, they can never make a strategic retreat, because he insists that his people always line up their defenses at the first point of contact and then hold the line no matter what, this leads to untenable situations where they are flanked.

00:03:19.000 And this is sort of what has happened here with Team Trump.

00:03:22.000 It doesn't mean he's going to be impeached.

00:03:23.000 It does mean that it is, I would say, very likely at this point that the Senate Republicans are going to allow the witness, are going to allow John Bolton's testify.

00:03:31.000 Whereas before, if John Bolton had come out and said this, they would have said, we don't need the testimony.

00:03:34.000 We already know all of this.

00:03:35.000 All of this was covered by Fiona Hill.

00:03:37.000 Now, because Trump has come out and called his own national security advisor a liar, we got a problem on our hands.

00:03:42.000 And you can see the New York Times editorial board is over the moon about this.

00:03:45.000 They're extremely happy about all of this.

00:03:48.000 The New York Times editorial board today says it's just possible that common sense and reality have a shot at prying open the doors to the Senate chamber after all.

00:03:55.000 After Republican senators claimed it was perfectly reasonable to put a United States president on trial without hearing from any witnesses, a few of them are showing signs of recognizing that the truth matters, or at least that the American people believe it does.

00:04:05.000 What has changed?

00:04:06.000 Shocking but not surprising revelations from John Bolton's book manuscript, which the New York Times reported over the weekend, have made impossible to ignore what everyone has known for months.

00:04:14.000 President Trump withheld hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to Ukraine to benefit himself politically and against the strenuous objections of his top aides in both parties in Congress.

00:04:23.000 Okay, now again, that is actually not what Bolton charges.

00:04:25.000 What Bolton charges is that Trump was interested in 2016, which is exactly what some of us have been saying for months and months and months and months.

00:04:32.000 And if Trump had just admitted and said, listen, again, you may not like my judgment, but tough beans.

00:04:37.000 I've got an election in 11 months.

00:04:38.000 Just deal with it that way.

00:04:39.000 If he had said that, this whole thing would have been over a long time ago.

00:04:42.000 He didn't say that, and so now everything Bolton is saying is being treated as a massive revelation with actual ramifications.

00:04:49.000 We'll get to more of this in just one second.

00:04:51.000 We will also get to Kim Trump making a counterargument that's going to hurt Joe Biden moving forward into the 2020 primaries.

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00:06:17.000 So, as I say, the New York Times is treating Bolton's words as a revelation.

00:06:21.000 And of course, you're seeing Republican senators who are now being ripped up and down by Team Trump saying that perhaps we are going to have to have witnesses.

00:06:30.000 So Susan Collins, the senator from Maine, she came out yesterday. 0.59

00:06:32.000 She said, yeah, probably at some point we're probably going to have to have witnesses.

00:06:36.000 She put out a statement.

00:06:36.000 She said, from the beginning, I've said that in fairness to both parties, the decision on whether or not to call witnesses should be made after both the House managers and the president's attorneys have had the opportunity to present their cases.

00:06:45.000 I've always said I was likely to vote to call witnesses, just as I did in the 1999 Clinton trial.

00:06:49.000 Okay, well, this is fully expected.

00:06:57.000 This should not have been any great shock.

00:06:59.000 Collins, by the way, was on the fence.

00:07:00.000 She was willing to not call witnesses if they didn't have anything new to tell.

00:07:04.000 But that relied very much on the story that Trump was telling.

00:07:07.000 Mitt Romney says the same thing.

00:07:08.000 He says probably we're going to end up having witnesses here.

00:07:10.000 People are treating Romney as though he's doing this because he hates Trump or something.

00:07:14.000 That this is all personal animus.

00:07:16.000 The reality is I think there are probably more than two votes to have witnesses in the Senate.

00:07:20.000 I don't think that John Bolton's testimony is going to lead to impeachment.

00:07:23.000 I'd be really surprised if it did.

00:07:25.000 But I think that there are a lot of Republicans who are in purple states and thinking, do I want to lose my seat over the image of me covering for the president when he is going up directly against his own national security advisor?

00:07:35.000 Probably not.

00:07:36.000 Here is Senator Romney.

00:07:38.000 I've said for some time that I hope to be able to hear from John Bolton.

00:07:42.000 I think with the story that came out yesterday, it's increasingly apparent that it would be important to hear from John Bolton.

00:07:49.000 I, of course, will make a final decision on witnesses after we've heard from not only the prosecution, but also the defense.

00:07:55.000 But I think at this stage it's pretty fair to say that John Bolton has a relevant testimony to provide to those of us who are sitting in impartial justice.

00:08:03.000 I think it's increasingly likely that other Republicans will join those of us who think we should hear from John Bolton.

00:08:11.000 That is, again, not particularly surprising, and it's also not surprising given the fact that the people who are closest to Trump are now having to put out statements that at the very least call into question their old statements.

00:08:19.000 So I point out Mick Mulvaney's statement on John Bolton.

00:08:22.000 He gave a statement yesterday talking about Bolton's claims that Mulvaney had been part of conversations in which the aid was discussed.

00:08:30.000 So Mulvaney did put out a statement Yesterday, Maggie Haberman of the New York Times actually tweeted out, it said, the latest story from the New York Times coordinated with a book launch has more to do with publicity than the truth.

00:08:41.000 John Bolton never informed Mick Mulvaney of any concerns surrounding Bolton's purported August conversation with the president, nor did Mr. Mulvaney ever have a conversation with the president or anyone else indicating that Ukrainian military aid was withheld in exchange for a Ukrainian investigation of Burisma, the Bidens, or the 2016 election.

00:08:56.000 Further, Mr. Mulvaney has no recollection of any conversation with Mr. Giuliani resembling that reportedly described in Mr. Bolton's manuscript as it was Mr. Mulvaney's practice to excuse himself from conversations between the president and his personal counsel to preserve any attorney-client privilege.

00:09:09.000 Now, we haven't actually seen Bolton's manuscript, remember, so we don't actually know what Bolton is claiming, but there's one sentence of that statement that seems to contradict Mick Mulvaney, right?

00:09:17.000 Mick Mulvaney said that he had never had a conversation with Trump or anyone else indicating that military aid was withheld in exchange for a Ukrainian investigation of Burisma the Biden's Or the 2016 election.

00:09:27.000 And then what exactly was Mick Mulvaney talking about when he specifically held a press conference suggesting that, sure, quid pro quos happen in foreign policy all the time.

00:09:33.000 The question is whether that is legit or not.

00:09:36.000 And you can see the differences even within Trump's defense team in the defenses they are presenting.

00:09:40.000 So on the one hand, you have members of Team Trump saying there was no quid pro quo at all, which of course is the case that Trump would prefer be put out there, but it's not the smart case.

00:09:47.000 And then you have the case put out there by lawyers who actually know what the law is and know what they are doing.

00:09:54.000 So Alan Dershowitz, for all of the talk about how he's been consigned to hell, SNL actually consigned him to hell over the weekend for the grave crime of defending Trump in this impeachment trial.

00:09:54.000 Like Alan Dershowitz.

00:10:04.000 They didn't care when he was friends with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:10:04.000 So weird.

00:10:07.000 They didn't care when he was, or at least defense lawyer for Jeffrey Epstein.

00:10:11.000 When Alan Dershowitz was defending OJ Simpson, they didn't care about any of that.

00:10:11.000 They didn't care.

00:10:14.000 The moment that he defended Trump, then he was consigned to hell, and then all that old stuff comes back to haunt Alan Dershowitz, supposedly.

00:10:20.000 Well, anyway, Dershowitz makes the case, the Harvard Law professor, he makes the case against impeachment yesterday, and he says, listen, you guys keep saying quid pro quo.

00:10:27.000 I do not think those words mean what you think they mean.

00:10:30.000 Right?

00:10:30.000 Quid pro quo happens all the time in foreign policy.

00:10:32.000 Now, this is a correct defense.

00:10:34.000 Here's Alan Dershowitz.

00:10:36.000 Let's assume a Democratic president tells Israel that foreign aid authorized by Congress will not be sent or an Oval Office meeting will not be scheduled unless the Israelis stop building settlements. 0.86

00:10:50.000 Quid pro quo.

00:10:53.000 I might disapprove of such a quid pro quo demand on policy grounds, but it would not constitute an abuse of power.

00:11:02.000 Quid pro quo alone is not a basis for abuse of power.

00:11:08.000 It's part of the way foreign policy has been operated by presidents since the beginning of time.

00:11:15.000 Okay, this was always the best defense, right?

00:11:17.000 This was always the best defense.

00:11:19.000 And in fact, Pam Bondi laid out a very similar defense yesterday, because she was pointing out that quid pro quo is something that people do all the time.

00:11:26.000 And when Democrats do it, it's not even considered a terrible thing, right?

00:11:31.000 In fact, it wasn't even Pam Bondi.

00:11:32.000 It was another lawyer, Eric Hirschman, rather, who is a Trump defense guy.

00:11:36.000 And he says, listen, if you're talking about impeaching Trump over a quid pro quo on foreign policy, remember that time that Barack Obama literally sat with Dmitry Medvedev, who is the cutout for Vladimir Putin, and said to him that I will do something on missile defense, but you're going to need to give me flexibility until after the election.

00:11:52.000 That is literally what Barack Obama said.

00:11:54.000 So Eric Hirschman points this out.

00:11:55.000 This was trending on Twitter last night.

00:11:56.000 How dare anyone mention the sainted Obama?

00:11:58.000 It's amazing.

00:11:59.000 The minute you mention Obama in any context, Twitter goes nuts.

00:12:02.000 Because Obama, as we all know from the media coverage, the only scandal Obama ever had is that he wore a tan suit.

00:12:07.000 Nothing ever happened with the IRS, nothing ever happened with the HHS, nothing ever happened with Fast and Furious, nothing ever happened with Russia.

00:12:13.000 The Obama administration was scandal-free, right?

00:12:15.000 That's the line of the media.

00:12:16.000 So the minute that you mention the fact that Barack Obama acted in fairly corrupt ways on foreign policy, then suddenly it's the end of the world.

00:12:23.000 Okay, but let us remember, I'm going to read you the actual transcript of what Barack Obama said to Dmitry Medvedev that was caught on a hot mic.

00:12:29.000 Transcript.

00:12:29.000 Obama.

00:12:30.000 On all of these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved.

00:12:34.000 But it's important for him to give me space.

00:12:35.000 He's talking about Putin.

00:12:37.000 And Medvedev says, yes, I understand.

00:12:38.000 I understand your message about space.

00:12:40.000 Space for you.

00:12:41.000 And Obama said, this is my last election.

00:12:43.000 After my election, I have more flexibility.

00:12:46.000 And Medvedev says, I understand.

00:12:47.000 I will transmit this information to Vladimir.

00:12:50.000 That's a pretty obvious quid pro quo.

00:12:52.000 Eric Hirschman points out this is a pretty obvious quid pro quo.

00:12:55.000 President Obama used the powers of the presidency in a manner that compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States' democratic process.

00:13:07.000 He thus ignored and injured the interests of the nation.

00:13:11.000 Does it sound familiar, House managers?

00:13:14.000 It should, as the case against President Obama would have been far stronger than the allegations against President Trump.

00:13:21.000 President Obama's abuse of power to benefit his own political interests was there and is here now for everyone to hear.

00:13:29.000 It was a direct, unquestionable, quid pro quo.

00:13:35.000 Okay, so again, he is correct about all of this.

00:13:37.000 He is correct about all of this.

00:13:39.000 And the fact is that this was always Trump's best defense, which is that you may not like what presidents do, but this is why we have elections.

00:13:45.000 We don't impeach presidents who engage in foreign policy quid pro quos, even when they benefit them politically.

00:13:51.000 Like the reason that he was saying he has flexibility after the election is because he is saying, back off, back off until the election.

00:13:56.000 And then after the election, I have more flexibility as to pursuing missile defense.

00:14:00.000 In other words, if you wait until after the election, then maybe I'll go soft on Eastern European missile defense with regard to Russia, right?

00:14:07.000 So Obama did that back in 2012.

00:14:08.000 I remember it was a big thing, right?

00:14:09.000 It was a big thing.

00:14:10.000 But that was never at any point purported to be the cause of an impeachment affair, right?

00:14:15.000 That was perceived to be a good reason not to re-elect the guy, which the American people then didn't take into account, obviously.

00:14:20.000 Didn't matter.

00:14:22.000 But the notion that the quid pro quo that Trump was engaged in with Ukraine was fundamentally not illegitimate, or at least not impeachable.

00:14:29.000 That was always the best defense.

00:14:30.000 But again, the problem for Trump and Team Trump is that they didn't make that defense because Trump forbade them from making that defense because Trump is not his own best defense attorney.

00:14:37.000 Trump's strategy whenever he's accused of a thing is to pretend that the thing never ever happened.

00:14:42.000 And the problem is that further facts tend to corroborate the fact that it happened even if it wasn't as bad.

00:14:47.000 And Trump doesn't understand that the basic political rule which is that the coverup is usually worse than the crime is absolutely true with regard to Trump.

00:14:54.000 Every activity in which Trump has allegedly engaged that has caused legal trouble for him has been an activity where the coverup was worse than the actual crime.

00:15:03.000 I take for example, Stormy Daniels. 0.87

00:15:05.000 Yeah, it turns out that it's not great when you schtup ladies who aren't your wife and are porn stars while your wife is pregnant. 1.00

00:15:09.000 Turns out that's a bad thing to do. 0.62

00:15:11.000 You know what turns that into a subject for criminal investigation?

00:15:15.000 When you start telling your lawyer how to funnel money to Stormy Daniels to shut her up, right? 0.78

00:15:19.000 At that point, that's when all of a sudden this balloons out and becomes a bigger issue.

00:15:24.000 You know what is actually not that huge a deal, or at least it may be a big deal, but really it's not.

00:15:29.000 It's more like you're just mouthing off.

00:15:30.000 When you tell randos that you don't like the ambassador to Ukraine, when you tell randos like Lev Parnas, yeah we had a conversation, and I said I don't like that ambassador, and if you have any information on her, let me know.

00:15:40.000 That's not actually anything close to impeachable.

00:15:43.000 If Trump had just said that, All right.

00:15:46.000 Not great.

00:15:47.000 Not fond of it.

00:15:47.000 Don't like the tactic.

00:15:48.000 Think it's immoral.

00:15:49.000 But is it impeachable?

00:15:50.000 No.

00:15:51.000 But then when you say, I've never met Lev Parnas.

00:15:52.000 I don't know who Lev Parnas is.

00:15:54.000 Don't know him from Adam.

00:15:55.000 And then he brings a tape forth in which you are talking with him explicitly about the subject of the investigation.

00:16:00.000 Then it becomes an issue.

00:16:01.000 If you just say, listen, sure it was a quid pro quo.

00:16:04.000 I was looking into 2016.

00:16:04.000 Then we're all like, OK, I may not like that.

00:16:07.000 I may think you're operating on the back of bad information and confirmation bias.

00:16:11.000 It doesn't seem impeachable to me.

00:16:12.000 The minute you say, however, that that never happened at all, now you have a factual dispute.

00:16:17.000 And a factual dispute is always going to subject you to more scrutiny and more investigations.

00:16:21.000 And that is why the media are jumping all over the Bolton thing.

00:16:23.000 That's why the Bolton thing is a problem for Trump.

00:16:25.000 It is not a problem for him in terms of impeachment.

00:16:27.000 It is a problem for him in terms of this thing being dragged out.

00:16:30.000 Because right now we're in the middle of the 2020 election.

00:16:33.000 Right now, the best thing for Trump is to get this thing behind him.

00:16:36.000 What Trump would like is for this to not be an issue moving forward.

00:16:39.000 We can talk about the great economy.

00:16:40.000 We can talk about his foreign policy accomplishments.

00:16:42.000 We can talk about all of those things.

00:16:43.000 But if we're talking about John Bolton, that's not great for the president.

00:16:49.000 Now, one of the things that this has led to, of course, is the media to be able to try and condemn Trump supporters as utterly crazy, right?

00:16:56.000 Because now you have John Bolton going up directly against the president.

00:16:59.000 People who liked John Bolton five seconds ago now hate John Bolton.

00:17:01.000 You're seeing people who hate John Bolton generally on foreign policy now trying to condemn him as a Democratic stooge.

00:17:06.000 This has been happening. 0.91

00:17:08.000 I think Tucker Carlson and Lou Dobbs both did this last night, which is of course very silly.

00:17:11.000 John Bolton is not a Democratic stooge.

00:17:13.000 There's only one group of people who hate John Bolton more than Tucker Carlson and Lou Dobbs, and that is Democrats.

00:17:19.000 They despised John Bolton until today.

00:17:21.000 The fact is that if you're trying to paint John Bolton as a liar, and this is now a test of credibility between Donald Trump and John Bolton.

00:17:28.000 That's not going to end great for Donald Trump.

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00:19:11.000 Obviously, it's gonna have some impact.

00:19:13.000 On Joe Biden.

00:19:14.000 And the reason for that is because what was at the center of this whole Trump wanting to know about Ukraine stuff was his suspicion of Joe Biden.

00:19:21.000 Well, yesterday, Pam Bondi, who is one of Trump's lawyers, former attorney general of the state of Florida, she came forward and she gave a case against Hunter Biden that's pretty damning because the reality is that no matter whether you think Joe Biden is pure as the driven snow or what, Hunter Biden certainly is not.

00:19:36.000 Here's Pam Bondi going after Hunter Biden. 1.00

00:19:39.000 Burisma was so corrupt that George Kent said he intervened to prevent USAID from co-sponsoring an event with Burisma.

00:19:53.000 You know what this event was?

00:19:54.000 It was a child's contest.

00:19:57.000 So Hunter Biden is paid over $83,000 a month.

00:20:02.000 Hunter Biden had no experience in natural gas.

00:20:06.000 No experience in the energy sector.

00:20:09.000 No experience with Ukrainian regulatory affairs.

00:20:12.000 As far as we know, he doesn't speak Ukrainian.

00:20:15.000 ABC.

00:20:16.000 Good Morning America.

00:20:17.000 The Washington Post.

00:20:19.000 The New York Times.

00:20:21.000 Ukrainian law enforcement.

00:20:22.000 And the Obama State Department itself.

00:20:26.000 They all thought there was cause to raise the issue about the Bidens and Burisma.

00:20:35.000 Okay, all of this is 100% true.

00:20:37.000 Beth Bauman, writing for townhall.com, talks about this today.

00:20:40.000 She says, although former Vice President Joe Biden repeatedly talked about ending corruption, ABC News launched an investigation called Hunter Biden's Foreign Deals.

00:20:47.000 It talked about Biden's dealings with Burisma and even in China.

00:20:50.000 Less than two weeks after the VP and his son were seen in China, Hunter's firm had new business with the government-controlled bank of China.

00:20:55.000 Bondi explained, in fact, every person who was asked about Hunter Biden's involvement with Burisma agreed there was a potential appearance of a conflict of interest.

00:21:02.000 Multiple House Democrat witnesses, including those from the Department of State, the NSC and others, unanimously testified that there was a potential appearance of conflict of interest.

00:21:09.000 And that, of course, is 100% true.

00:21:11.000 So all of this does have an impact on Joe Biden's electability.

00:21:15.000 And right now, this is the problem for Biden.

00:21:16.000 Biden's entire case for being the nominee is his electability.

00:21:20.000 So Biden is now caught in a vice.

00:21:22.000 He's caught in a vice.

00:21:23.000 On the one hand, Democrats believe that Donald Trump is having real trouble in this election.

00:21:27.000 They look at the national polling and they see that Donald Trump is trailing to all of their major candidates.

00:21:31.000 And they say, okay, well, Trump has a pathological inability to keep his mouth shut.

00:21:35.000 Trump says wild things on a regular basis.

00:21:37.000 He did not perform well for Republicans in 2018.

00:21:39.000 And so he didn't win the popular vote in 2016.

00:21:42.000 We don't think that we need to run somebody super electable to beat Donald Trump in 2020.

00:21:47.000 So on the one hand, Democrats are overestimating the unpopularity of Donald Trump.

00:21:52.000 Because they look at Trump and they say, this is a person who makes a lot of mistakes.

00:21:54.000 We could run a ham sandwich against this guy and win.

00:21:56.000 And then on the other hand, they're looking at Joe Biden and they're seeing somebody who is doddering, somebody who's old, and somebody who is now implicated in questions about corruption, which really hurts him when he's attempting to attack Trump on character grounds.

00:22:09.000 If you're trying to attack Trump as a corrupt actor, and in the meantime, you're weathering charges that your son was cashing in on your last name, you got a problem on your hands.

00:22:18.000 And so Biden's candidacy is now caught in the middle.

00:22:20.000 And he has no rock core of enthusiasm.

00:22:22.000 There's no enthusiasm for his candidacy.

00:22:25.000 And so what you're starting to see is him fade in places like Iowa and New Hampshire, which means that right now the odds on favor for the Democratic nomination is a geriatric communist, Bernie Sanders, which is unbelievable.

00:22:37.000 Good for Trump in the sense that if he had to sort of handpick a candidate Trump can run against, it would be Bernie.

00:22:41.000 Horrible for the country in that half the country will now resonate to a communist message. 0.88

00:22:46.000 And not only will they resonate to the messages of a com... And by the way, when he says democratic socialists, he doesn't mean democratic socialists.

00:22:50.000 That is just him putting a friendly face on all of this.

00:22:53.000 The heads of Norway and Denmark will talk in copious detail about the glories of capitalism.

00:22:59.000 Bernie Sanders will not.

00:23:00.000 He will not.

00:23:00.000 He thinks that capitalism is in and of itself a system of greed and evil.

00:23:04.000 But that guy is likely to be the Democratic nominee at this point.

00:23:08.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:24:30.000 Ray Shapiro in there.

00:24:31.000 How did you hear about us box?

00:24:32.000 So they know that we sent you.

00:24:33.000 So as we see, The fact is that right now, Joe Biden has some serious trouble.

00:24:39.000 He has some serious trouble.

00:24:41.000 And the points that he makes about Bernie Sanders are correct.

00:24:44.000 The problem is that Joe Biden has always been a weak candidate.

00:24:46.000 And at a certain point here, that means that Barack Obama is going to be the one who has a choice.

00:24:50.000 At a certain point here, Barack Obama is going... Let's say that Bernie wins Iowa and New Hampshire.

00:24:55.000 At that point, Barack Obama has a one-time opportunity to step in and stop all this nonsense.

00:24:59.000 At that point, Barack Obama will need to come out and say, listen, I don't think Bernie can win.

00:25:03.000 I trust Joe.

00:25:04.000 I know Joe.

00:25:05.000 Joe's my man, right?

00:25:07.000 And then he will have the opportunity to prop Joe Biden up to the nomination.

00:25:10.000 But if he does not, it seems as though Bernie Sanders is the one with all the momentum at this point.

00:25:16.000 Joni Ernst, senator from Iowa, she says, listen, you know, I'm looking at this trial.

00:25:21.000 I'm wondering if voters are going to support Biden, given the fact that the Hunter Biden stuff is on the table now.

00:25:28.000 Iowa caucuses, folks.

00:25:30.000 Iowa caucuses are this next Monday evening.

00:25:35.000 And I'm really interested to see how this discussion today informs and influences the Iowa caucus voters, those Democratic caucus goers.

00:25:47.000 Will they be supporting Vice President Biden at this point?

00:25:51.000 Okay, now Republicans, you can see they're grinning about this.

00:25:53.000 They're rooting for it.

00:25:54.000 Republicans are saying we'd love to run against Bernie Sanders.

00:25:57.000 Let me just remind you, folks.

00:25:59.000 Whenever people say, here's who I would like to run against, beware.

00:26:02.000 I'm old enough to remember when a lady named Hillary Clinton was encouraging Donald Trump to run in 2016 because she would love to have run against Donald Trump.

00:26:09.000 She got her wish, and now she's wandering the woods of Chappaqua while Donald Trump is sitting in the Oval Office laughing at her and tweeting about her on a regular basis.

00:26:17.000 Be careful what you wish for.

00:26:18.000 Politics is the monkey's paw, man.

00:26:20.000 You can wish for what you want, but it may not end up being exactly what you want.

00:26:25.000 Now, as I say, Biden's critiques of Bernie Sanders are absolutely correct.

00:26:28.000 Like Joe Biden came out yesterday.

00:26:29.000 He says, listen, Sanders doesn't know how much his plans cost.

00:26:31.000 Sanders doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

00:26:33.000 But this is the point.

00:26:34.000 The people who love Sanders love that he doesn't know how much his plan costs. 0.92

00:26:37.000 The people who love Sanders love that he's impractical and insane.

00:26:40.000 They love the fact that none of what he's saying makes sense because he's promising them a better world.

00:26:44.000 This is always the promise of Marxism.

00:26:46.000 Marxism has never worked anywhere.

00:26:48.000 The best that Marxist programs can do is live off the back of capitalism like leeches and redistribute the profits and the products that are created by the free market.

00:26:56.000 That is the best thing that any sort of socialistic program can do.

00:26:58.000 They can't create anything new.

00:27:00.000 They cannot generate new prosperity.

00:27:01.000 There has never been a socialist program anywhere in the world that has done any of these things.

00:27:05.000 Okay, but the problem is that if you are Bernie Sanders and you are pledging people a greater world, Your vagueness is your appeal.

00:27:12.000 See, Bernie Sanders didn't make the same mistake that Elizabeth Warren made.

00:27:15.000 There's a reason Elizabeth Warren has been taking a dump in the polls. 1.00

00:27:18.000 The reason that she's been falling in the polls is because she made the crucial error.

00:27:22.000 She tried to put meat on the bones of Bernie Sandersism. 0.93

00:27:25.000 But there's a problem.

00:27:26.000 You can't put meat on those bones.

00:27:27.000 They don't sustain the weight.

00:27:29.000 So when Elizabeth Warren came out and she was like, let me explain to you how I'm going to pay for all of this. 1.00

00:27:34.000 I'm going to find money in the anus of a unicorn, and I'm going to use that to pay for this $19 trillion healthcare program that actually costs $33 trillion, but I'm going to call it $19 trillion by double counting all this money.

00:27:47.000 When people said when she did that and everybody laughed at her, it was like, oh, because suddenly the fantasy had been made reality.

00:27:53.000 And it turns out that everybody had been fantasizing about the Victoria's Secret model.

00:27:58.000 And what they actually got in the mail was the not online version of the Match.com profile.

00:28:04.000 It turns out that communism is a Match.com profile. 0.98

00:28:07.000 Communism looks real nice in the Match.com profile photo, and then they show up at the coffee bean, and it turns out they're a hideous old hag. 1.00

00:28:15.000 That is communism. 0.98

00:28:16.000 Well, the problem is that Elizabeth Warren made that clear.

00:28:19.000 Bernie Sanders is still pushing the Match.com profile pic of communism.

00:28:23.000 The minute that he gets down to real reality with regard to his plans, then it begins to fall apart.

00:28:28.000 And Democrats keep trying to drag him down and say, OK, well, here's the reality of your plan.

00:28:31.000 But people who love Bernie don't want to hear the reality of the plan.

00:28:33.000 They are forcibly They are forcibly suspending their disbelief.

00:28:37.000 Bernie Sanders is a movie to them.

00:28:39.000 He's not an actual program.

00:28:40.000 He's a dream.

00:28:41.000 And when you pitch a dream, it's very hard to get people to wake up.

00:28:44.000 So here's Joe Biden trying to get people to wake up.

00:28:46.000 Good luck to him.

00:28:47.000 It's not one of those things where, as one of the leaders of the effort for Medicare for All said, I don't know how much it's going to cost.

00:28:55.000 I don't know what it's going to be.

00:28:57.000 We're just going to have to do it.

00:28:58.000 Well, that's not a likely way to pass something through the Senate saying, I don't know how much it's going to cost, and the person who's offering it.

00:29:06.000 So we've got to get real about what we can do to protect people's health here.

00:29:10.000 Okay, but you can see the difference in the crowds.

00:29:11.000 Okay, so here's Biden speaking yesterday.

00:29:13.000 If you saw the tape yesterday of Bernie Sanders speaking, it's all young people. 0.98

00:29:17.000 It's all young people. 1.00

00:29:17.000 And in Iowa, that matters. 1.00

00:29:19.000 In Iowa, that makes a big difference.

00:29:21.000 Now, Bernie Sanders is counting on all those young people to show up and vote for him in the 2020 election.

00:29:25.000 I'm not sure that that's a good bet for him, but it is obvious that everybody above the age of 65 supports Joe Biden, and nobody under the age of 40 supports Joe Biden.

00:29:34.000 Biden, by the way, also is saying that he can take a punch.

00:29:36.000 That is quite unclear at this point, given the fact that he has not risen in the polls, he has basically stagnated in the polls, and he's run a very poorly organized campaign.

00:29:45.000 Here is Joe Biden, who basically was trying to limp his way to contention here, I mean, it felt a lot like, it feels a lot like Jeb Bush in the latter days.

00:29:54.000 Here's Joe Biden.

00:29:56.000 As much as he's trying to destroy me and my family, I hope I've demonstrated I can take a punch.

00:30:03.000 And if I'm un-nominated, he's gonna understand what punches mean.

00:30:06.000 Okay, well, that does not sound good when you're slurring your words.

00:30:10.000 It does not sound like a robust defense of yourself when you're slurring your words.

00:30:13.000 So right now, it appears that Bernie Sanders has the upper hand in this race.

00:30:16.000 Now, is he electable?

00:30:18.000 This is the question that Democrats are now asking themselves.

00:30:20.000 Has he been vetted?

00:30:21.000 Is he electable?

00:30:22.000 If you go on Twitter, the conventional wisdom on Twitter is he's super electable. 0.87

00:30:26.000 And anybody who says he's not electable is crazy. 0.83

00:30:29.000 That's crazy.

00:30:30.000 Okay, Bernie Sanders has been elected in Vermont, which has seven people.

00:30:34.000 And he's been elected 1,000 times.

00:30:37.000 He's basically been living on the public dime since the man was 30 years old.

00:30:40.000 I mean, he was on unemployment in his 30s. 0.87

00:30:42.000 Like, it's ridiculous. 0.99

00:30:45.000 So, the notion that that makes him broadly electable across the country is silly. 0.97

00:30:49.000 On the one hand, I don't think he's super electable.

00:30:51.000 On the other hand, he's got a shot, and putting a communist in a position where he might have a shot at the presidency seems like a problem.

00:30:56.000 We'll get to the electability arguments with regard to Bernie Sanders in just one second.

00:31:00.000 First, if you know anything about this show, you know this is an extremely pro-life show.

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00:32:10.000 So one of the reasons that Democrats are downplaying the electability problems of Bernie Sanders is because they are in love with the sound of their own voices. 0.98

00:32:23.000 They've come to the conclusion that the people who support Donald Trump are seven, there are seven of them, and that they're all crazy.

00:32:29.000 And this is the way, truly, this is the way that the media talk about supporters of Donald Trump, not just Trump himself. 0.86

00:32:35.000 Ripping on Trump, look, Trump's the president, you can rip on him as much as you want.

00:32:38.000 But Hillary Clinton made a bad mistake in the 2016 election when she suggested that everybody who supported Donald Trump was deplorable.

00:32:45.000 It was a huge mistake.

00:32:46.000 Same sort of mistake that Barack Obama made in 2008.

00:32:49.000 The media covered for him, but it was a mistake when he suggested that everyone who was going to vote for his opponent was a bitter clinger.

00:32:53.000 Well now, members of the media are full-on endorsing this point of view.

00:32:57.000 I mean, laughing at people who support Trump. 0.73

00:32:59.000 They're all a bunch of toothless hicks from the South. 0.98

00:33:02.000 Now, many of these people, I really doubt, have spent a lot of time in the modern South, but they have this image that the South is basically a bunch of cartoon characters from 1840.

00:33:10.000 Anyway, Rick Wilson, who used to be a true never-Trump Republican, right? 0.79

00:33:15.000 A guy who not only opposed Trump in 2016, but has determined that Trump is now the font of all evil and must be stopped at any cost, including voting for Democrats, which is just ridiculous in my view.

00:33:25.000 He was on CNN. 0.90

00:33:27.000 Yucking it up with Don Lemon.

00:33:29.000 And in the course of this clip, you're going to hear what Democrats actually think of Republicans.

00:33:33.000 Because they think this, they think that they can actually run a geriatric socialist for the presidency of the United States and win. 1.00

00:33:39.000 Because after all, the Donald Trump supporters are a bunch of toothless morons. 1.00

00:33:43.000 He knows that this is, you know, an administration defined by ignorance of the world. 0.99

00:33:49.000 And so, that's partly him playing to their base and playing to their audience, you know, the credulous boomer Rube demo that backs Donald Trump, that wants to think that Donald Trump's a smart one and they're all, y'all elitist.

00:34:06.000 You would lead us with your geography and your maps and your spelling, even though my... Your math and your reading.

00:34:12.000 Yeah, your reading, you know.

00:34:15.000 Your geography, knowing other countries, sipping your latte.

00:34:19.000 All those lines on the map.

00:34:24.000 Look at that reporting.

00:34:25.000 That's CNN.

00:34:26.000 The most trusted name in news.

00:34:27.000 The most trusted name in news.

00:34:29.000 Laughing with the southern accent. 1.00

00:34:30.000 Because the only ignorant people in America, as you know, are people with southern accents. 0.99

00:34:33.000 That's not biased in any way. 1.00

00:34:35.000 Also, the notion that everybody who's voting for Donald Trump is a rube and a hick who doesn't know their geography. 0.99

00:34:42.000 I mean, it's this sort of take on politics that could come back to bite Democrats directly in the ass. 0.99

00:34:48.000 Because if they have decided that they're writing off half the country... They did this in 2016. 0.99

00:34:52.000 Half the country are racist, sexist, bigot, homophobes. 0.98

00:34:54.000 They're doing the same thing now, but they've upped the ante because this is how much they hate Trump. 0.99

00:34:57.000 They hate Trump so much that Trump is now a prism for how they view every other human being.

00:35:01.000 It's not that there are a lot of people who vote for Trump to stop Bernie Sanders, or voted for Trump to stop Hillary Clinton, or that don't like a lot of what Trump says or does, but like a lot of his policies. 0.74

00:35:09.000 No, it's that they're a bunch of hick rubes who don't understand geography and math, who don't know how to add. 1.00

00:35:15.000 Which is weird, because on average, I believe in the last election cycle, on average, Republican voters averaged a higher income level than Democratic voters, I believe, in the last election cycle.

00:35:26.000 If you do it on a county-by-county level, then the wealthiest counties voted for Hillary Clinton, but if you average the incomes, I believe that the Democrats were actually lower income on average than the Republicans were in the last election cycle.

00:35:37.000 So this idea that they're a bunch of hick roobs voting for Donald Trump, And that sort of attitude is what's leading them to believe, OK, we can literally run this old badger communist, this old wobbly from 1918, this guy who had a picture of Eugene Debs, an actual honest to God socialist in his Senate office for years. 0.97

00:35:54.000 We can run that guy and we can win because we could run anything and win. 0.98

00:35:58.000 And this is again, this is the view not just of the Don Lemons of the world, who's just a clown. 0.97

00:36:02.000 I mean, Don Lemon's a clown. 0.94

00:36:03.000 And Rick Wilson now makes a living just making these sorts of jokes on MSNBC and CNN. 0.88

00:36:09.000 He hasn't offered anything that approaches a substantive criticism for a while.

00:36:12.000 He's basically just sort of doing insult comedy for the laughs of the people in the media.

00:36:19.000 That sort of stuff.

00:36:21.000 That's a campaign ad for Trump, right?

00:36:23.000 I mean, they just cut a campaign ad for Trump on CNN, the most trusted name in news.

00:36:26.000 And I do love it when Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo sit there and tut-tut Donald Trump about how mean he is to people in the media.

00:36:32.000 How could he be so mean to people?

00:36:33.000 How could he tweet mean things?

00:36:35.000 I mean, you can't stop yourself hysterically laughing at hackney jokes about how people in the South don't know how to do math.

00:36:42.000 I think I'm going to take your high dudgeon with a grain of salt next time. 0.94

00:36:45.000 But again, it's not just the folks on CNN.

00:36:46.000 It's people like MSNBC's Nicole Wallace, who suggested yesterday that everybody who's defending Donald Trump in this trial is a flat earther.

00:36:53.000 I've known Chris Wallace my entire career in politics.

00:36:56.000 This is an unflappable man.

00:36:58.000 And just the, I mean, I called it the Flat Earth Society.

00:37:01.000 The Republicans are clinging to this argument that the Earth is flat.

00:37:04.000 Chris Wallace, obviously, they're trying to cover the same live event we're covering and saying, no, we have a first-hand witness who saw the Earth is round.

00:37:11.000 And he's just trying to tell these senators before they render a judgment that the facts reveal the Earth is indeed round.

00:37:17.000 Well, it's flat earthers. 0.98

00:37:18.000 Everything is about a flat earth, and everybody who opposes me is an idiot, and that's why we can run this person who lives in a world of communist fantasy, where the United States is the biggest problem on planet Earth, and we can run him, and he'll win. 0.99

00:37:28.000 Well, maybe it'll work. 0.99

00:37:29.000 I'm not suggesting that Bernie Sanders can't win.

00:37:29.000 Maybe it'll work.

00:37:32.000 Obviously, he can win.

00:37:33.000 But is that the Democrats' strongest line of appeal?

00:37:36.000 I have serious doubts about all this.

00:37:38.000 Meanwhile, the Democrats are strategically torn in Iowa, according to the New York Times, as they streamed out of the banquet ballroom.

00:37:44.000 Following a Scott County fundraiser Saturday night, one after the other Iowa Democrats admitted they still had not decided whom to support just over a week before the state's presidential caucuses.

00:37:53.000 But by not mentioning his name as they rattled off their shortlist, they made clear whom they would not support, Senator Bernie Sanders, the Democratic Socialist from Vermont who has taken the lead in recent polls.

00:38:01.000 By the way, I love that the media have now resonated to just calling him a Democratic Socialist because he insists on it.

00:38:06.000 I would like to see Bernie Sanders forcibly disavow communism.

00:38:09.000 Like explain, what are the ideological problems of communism?

00:38:12.000 Has anybody asked him to distinguish Democratic Socialism from Socialism?

00:38:15.000 Like, what's the actual difference?

00:38:17.000 What do you favor about Democratic Socialism that you do not favor about Socialism itself?

00:38:23.000 If all you mean is Socialism where people get to vote on the rules of the tyrannical government, then that's just called Socialism because they do have fake elections in one-party states.

00:38:34.000 So what exactly do you mean?

00:38:36.000 Because presumably, when he says democratic socialism, he does not mean that the people actually get to decide on their own economic fortunes.

00:38:41.000 If he actually meant that, then he would not be a socialist, right?

00:38:44.000 See, here's the thing.

00:38:45.000 I'm a democratic capitalist.

00:38:46.000 But what I mean by that is I'm a capitalist.

00:38:48.000 Okay, because the reality is I believe there are certain fundamental rights that are protected by the United States Constitution, and that democracies cannot overrule those rights.

00:38:55.000 There are certain rights that are sacrosanct.

00:38:56.000 I'm a constitutionalist.

00:38:57.000 There are very few people on planet Earth who are pure Democrats, meaning that they think a majority should decide everything, because if you are a pure Democrat, you...

00:39:05.000 That's an unsustainable moral position.

00:39:06.000 There is no one on planet Earth, even the most quote-unquote populist minded people, who believe that pure majorities should simply decide everything in the world.

00:39:13.000 Because if a pure majority decide to kill the minority, presumably you would not be in favor of democracy at that point.

00:39:19.000 There are certain sacrosanct principles you care about.

00:39:21.000 So adding the word democratic to socialist does not change the math.

00:39:24.000 You have to explain what you mean by socialist.

00:39:28.000 So what in Marxism does Bernie Sanders, like why has nobody ever asked him?

00:39:32.000 Explain to me in pure detail why we should not nationalize this particular industry.

00:39:37.000 Why should we not nationalize an industry?

00:39:40.000 Explain to me why the free market is good, right?

00:39:42.000 You say that you're a democratic socialist like Norway.

00:39:44.000 Well, instead of just using the term democratic socialist, why don't you explain to me What about Norway is good in terms of the free market?

00:39:51.000 Not the side you always talk about, like the nationalized healthcare.

00:39:53.000 We get that you want to nationalize healthcare.

00:39:54.000 The question is why you don't want to nationalize the oil and gas industry in the United States?

00:39:58.000 Why you don't want to nationalize every other aspect of industry?

00:40:01.000 Why you don't want to nationalize the stock market?

00:40:03.000 Like, explain to me why that is.

00:40:05.000 Why has Bernie never been asked that question?

00:40:06.000 Why is it that if he just says democratic in front of socialist, we all assume we know what he's talking about?

00:40:10.000 It's this double game that he plays routinely with regard to the language.

00:40:15.000 Really.

00:40:15.000 He plays it all the time.

00:40:17.000 Because his higher principle is not democracy, because no one's highest principle is pure majoritarian democracy.

00:40:21.000 And if you say that it is, that's actually immoral.

00:40:23.000 There are certain principles you hold above democracy.

00:40:26.000 I hold individual rights above democracy.

00:40:28.000 I do.

00:40:29.000 I don't think you get to vote to kill your neighbor.

00:40:31.000 I don't think you get to vote to steal your neighbor's property.

00:40:34.000 Bernie Sanders presumably believes that no matter how many people vote in favor of private healthcare, that is still immoral.

00:40:42.000 And then that should be, that should presumably be overridden by the powers of government.

00:40:45.000 There are no rights that are protectable from government.

00:40:47.000 So what exactly does Bernie Sanders mean by democratic socialist that is different in any way from socialist?

00:40:51.000 In any case, the New York Times is reporting that there are a lot of people who are against Bernie, but are divided on how exactly to approach the situation with regard to Bernie.

00:40:59.000 And the problem is that the more they're divided, the more Bernie Sanders' core base makes sense.

00:41:03.000 In 2016, this is exactly what happened to Trump.

00:41:05.000 There were a lot of people who were not going to vote for Trump in Iowa or New Hampshire.

00:41:08.000 In fact, Trump lost Iowa.

00:41:10.000 But Trump's base was strong enough, his core was strong enough that he was able to weather a very fractured field.

00:41:15.000 Michelle Goldberg, who's been rooting for Bernie all along over at the New York Times, she says it's no longer far-fetched to think Sanders could be the Democratic nominee.

00:41:22.000 And then she talks about how he's got all the buzz.

00:41:26.000 Now, just understand, this is Bernie Sanders' actual candidacy, okay?

00:41:29.000 This is Michelle Goldberg, a fan of Bernie Sanders, describing what happened at his rally the other night.

00:41:34.000 There was a band that played.

00:41:35.000 When the band was done, three indigenous women took the stage to pay respects to the Native Americans forced off the land that became Iowa.

00:41:42.000 The filmmaker Michael Moore came on and described Donald Trump as the end point of a country founded on genocide and built on the backs of slaves.

00:41:49.000 The next day, at a campaign stop in Perry, Moore called women's underrepresentation in Congress a form of gender apartheid. 0.93

00:41:56.000 AOC spoke and said, I'm here because Senator Sanders is actually committed to breaking up ICE.

00:42:01.000 Is this what Americans are ready for?

00:42:03.000 Seriously, I don't care how much Americans hate Trump.

00:42:05.000 You think that that's not going to be a campaign for Trump?

00:42:08.000 Seriously, you think the American people are ready to declare that America should not exist because of the exploitation of lands seized from Native Americans, because America was a country built on genocide and slavery, because Congress is engaging in gender apartheid, and because it's time to break up immigration enforcement?

00:42:23.000 I mean, it's unbelievable.

00:42:25.000 That's an unbelievable standard that you think you're going to be able to overcome here.

00:42:30.000 So, good luck with that.

00:42:32.000 Good luck with that.

00:42:32.000 And that doesn't mean he's not electable.

00:42:34.000 He is electable.

00:42:34.000 Because anybody's electable.

00:42:35.000 Once there's a final two, anybody can win.

00:42:37.000 And Jeremy Corbyn could have been Prime Minister of Britain, and until the very last minute, when Boris Johnson blew him out, there were people who thought he was gonna win.

00:42:44.000 Businesses were preparing to leave.

00:42:45.000 So, it's a very dangerous game to play to make Bernie Sanders the nominee from a Republican point of view.

00:42:50.000 From a Democratic point of view, however, is he more vulnerable than any other Democratic candidate who's up there?

00:42:54.000 No question.

00:42:55.000 No question.

00:42:55.000 Okay.

00:42:56.000 Meanwhile, This week marks the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz by Allied forces.

00:43:03.000 And people who experienced the Holocaust are worried about the increase in antisemitism across the world as well they should be.

00:43:09.000 The New York Times reports, the ceremony at Auschwitz culminated a week of events around the world, including a commemoration in Jerusalem, attended by dozens of world leaders who urged collective vigilance against the resurgence of antisemitism worldwide.

00:43:21.000 And that is exactly right.

00:43:22.000 But the problem is that that antisemitism has been mainstreamed into the left.

00:43:26.000 The left refuses to acknowledge its own anti-semitism.

00:43:28.000 See, it's very easy to acknowledge and point out the anti-semitism of white supremacist groups who go around shooting up synagogues. 0.80

00:43:34.000 I've been a mile away from a shooting by a white supremacist.

00:43:39.000 I mean, that shooting that happened near San Diego.

00:43:41.000 I was very close to that location at the time.

00:43:46.000 Shuls in my neighborhood have been firebombed before.

00:43:49.000 So, like, the anti-Semitism of white supremacists has been well-known in America by Jews for a very long time and around the world.

00:43:55.000 The problem is the mainstreaming of Muslim anti-Semitism, radical Islamic anti-Semitism by the left, is ongoing and wild.

00:44:02.000 And ignored by the left.

00:44:04.000 Like, truly ignored.

00:44:05.000 They don't care about anti-Semitism unless it serves their purposes, which is why Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar are on a committee holding a hearing this week in the House about Holocaust Memorial Day.

00:44:15.000 Rashida Tlaib, who literally pushed a blood libel over the weekend suggesting that Jews kidnapped a Palestinian child and then drowned him in a well.

00:44:24.000 That woman will be over. 1.00

00:44:25.000 I mean, that is classical anti-Semitism will be overseeing. 0.80

00:44:28.000 Sitting on a committee that discusses Holocaust Memorial Day.

00:44:30.000 day, Ilhan Omar, who has never missed an opportunity to be a raging anti-Jew, anti-Semite, tweeted out yesterday on International Holocaust Remembrance Day, we mourn the lives of six million Jews who were systematically murdered.

00:44:41.000 Today and every day, we must redouble our efforts to confront anti-Semitism and all forms of religious discrimination and say, hashtag never again, which is insane because Ilhan Omar is a supporter of terror groups.

00:44:52.000 A year ago, she tried to pass a boycott law comparing Israel to Nazi Germany.

00:44:57.000 One year ago.

00:44:58.000 And she's mainstreamed.

00:45:00.000 She's going to be at that hearing, presumably proclaiming that Donald Trump is the real anti-Semite, while she continues to support the cause of the Palestine Liberation Organization, run by an actual Holocaust denier, Mahmoud Abbas.

00:45:11.000 It's so funny.

00:45:12.000 You know, Trump is going to put out his peace plan today.

00:45:14.000 He's putting out his peace plan today.

00:45:15.000 And his peace plan basically just acknowledges the realities on the ground.

00:45:18.000 The realities on the ground are that there are Jewish settlements.

00:45:20.000 Those Jewish settlements are not going to be uprooted in favor of a terror state.

00:45:23.000 It's not a thing that's going to happen.

00:45:25.000 Jerusalem is not going to be divided.

00:45:26.000 And no, there is no quote-unquote Palestinian right of return.

00:45:29.000 There has never been in human history a quote-unquote right of return of a population that has left by a majority group that does not wish to retake those people in.

00:45:40.000 Okay, the fact is that even Zionism was approved by the British mandate.

00:45:45.000 People were moving in at the behest and with the willingness of the group that was there.

00:45:49.000 And they were not there to quote-unquote destroy the ruling mandate.

00:45:52.000 Okay, the fact is the Palestinians have openly stated that they are there in order to destroy the State of Israel. 0.95

00:45:57.000 They've never accepted the existence of the State of Israel.

00:46:00.000 And the idea that you're going to rectify all imbalances by destroying the state of Israel, and that's not anti-Semitic, is bizarre in the extreme.

00:46:06.000 The idea that Israel has a peace partner is bizarre in the extreme.

00:46:10.000 Mahmoud Abbas, right, Mahmoud Abbas is an open Holocaust denier.

00:46:14.000 He literally wrote his thesis, he wrote a college thesis about, it was a doctoral thesis in 1982, questioning the extent of the Nazi genocide.

00:46:26.000 So, those are the people that Israel is facing down, and we are told that if Israel does not make concessions to those people, then obviously Israel is the problem.

00:46:33.000 But don't worry, we all hate anti-Semitism and we're all fighting anti-Semitism.

00:46:37.000 It is anti-Semitism being accepted across the board.

00:46:41.000 Watch the blowback to the Trump peace plan today, in which the soft bigotry of anti-Semitism is allowed to flourish, in which Palestinians suggest that Jews are only colonial oppressors from the West, and shouldn't be on the land in the first place, and they decide that they're going to protest the idea that there should be a Jewish state in the first place.

00:46:56.000 But don't worry, it's not anti-Semitism, it's just anti-Zionism. 0.78

00:46:58.000 And not only that, but Palestinians have a right to swamp the Jewish state with populations that weren't even born In those areas in the first place, not just a right of return to quote-unquote the new state of Palestine, but a right to return to their original homes, a right that has never existed in human history so far as I am aware, considering that there are borders that exist. 0.99

00:47:17.000 But nonetheless, the left will continue to pretend that anti-Semitism is a figment of the right-wing imagination when it comes to the left and only exists on the right, and Muslim anti-Semitism, which is the greatest threat to the future of Jews living on planet Earth, that that is not really a problem in the first place.

00:47:33.000 Alrighty, time for a quick thing I like and then a thing that I hate.

00:47:35.000 So if you want to know more about the quote-unquote right of return and why the Palestinian right of return has always been a fig leaf, if you want to know, you know, the real facts about why it is that this is such a ridiculous argument that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who either voluntarily left or left in the midst of a war in 1948, that they and their descendants should be allowed to return to their original homes when Jews were forcibly expelled, like hundreds of thousands of them, and absorbed by the nascent state of Israel,

00:48:01.000 If you want to understand why the right of return was always a bad faith attempt to destroy the state of Israel, all you have to do is read a book by Adi Schwartz and Einat Wolf called The War of Return, How Western Indulgence of the Palestinian Dream Has Obstructed the Path to Peace. 0.52

00:48:13.000 That is coming out, I believe, very shortly.

00:48:14.000 I think it's coming out in April.

00:48:15.000 So you can pre-order it now.

00:48:16.000 The book is excellent.

00:48:18.000 And you should know, Adi Schwartz and Einat Wolf are not.

00:48:20.000 Right-wing activists, both of them, worked for the Labor Party in Israel, which is the far-left party in Israel.

00:48:25.000 They were both part of the negotiations of Oslo.

00:48:28.000 And they've recognized that everybody has sort of ignored this.

00:48:30.000 In every peace deal, when Trump presents his peace plan, you know, everybody on the left is going to go, what about the right of return?

00:48:36.000 What about the right of return?

00:48:37.000 Why aren't the Palestinians allowed to go back to their original homes? 1.00

00:48:40.000 Well, the Jews were not allowed to go back to their original homes.

00:48:42.000 There's, again, never been a record.

00:48:43.000 Like when we talk about refugees, usually you talk about how refugees cannot be barred They cannot be barred from going somewhere else, right?

00:48:51.000 But usually when you talk about refugees, there's very little talk about resettling them in the place where they originally came from against the wishes of the ruling government, right?

00:49:02.000 That is not something that has historically been precedented.

00:49:07.000 The only exception is this.

00:49:09.000 Right, so this is the one area where the West has kept this ridiculousness alive, and the reason for that is because this has been pushed by the Palestinian leadership, and the Palestinian leadership has pushed for it because they understand that in swamping the state of Israel with now, what would it be, four million registered Palestinians, according to the UN's RWA? 0.91

00:49:24.000 Something like that, that they would be destroying the state of Israel, which of course is the ultimate goal here. 0.99

00:49:28.000 Now, what's amazing about the Trump peace plan that is gonna be presented today is not only does it recognize realities on the ground, but also, there's a good shot that a lot of the Arab states are basically gonna say, of course, this should be the basis of further negotiation.

00:49:39.000 Because the truth is that as states like Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Jordan recognize that the Palestinians just want to destroy the state of Israel, they've always understood that, but they understand that the greater threat now is not the state of Israel, never was the state of Israel, it's actually Iran. 0.86

00:49:53.000 They've started to worry less about the fake claims of the Palestinians that they're going to destroy the state of Israel and wipe all the Jews into the sea.

00:50:00.000 Instead, they have decided That pursuing peace is actually a possibility.

00:50:04.000 If peace is to be pursued, then the right of return, which was always a talking point and always nonsense, is going to have to be dropped because it is indeed nonsense.

00:50:11.000 It will have to be dropped.

00:50:12.000 It was never a reality to begin with.

00:50:15.000 It was always a fig leaf for attempting to destroy the state of Israel in the first place. 0.97

00:50:20.000 So, check it out.

00:50:21.000 The War of Return.

00:50:22.000 Adi Schwartz and Einat Wolff.

00:50:24.000 And it explains in much fuller detail why the quote-unquote right of return is historically inaccurate, historically foolhardy, is an obstacle to any sort of peace deal in the first place.

00:50:34.000 By the way, Israel is desperate to make a peace deal.

00:50:37.000 They would love nothing better than to have a peace partner that they could just hand this off to and be like, okay, we don't want anything to do with this.

00:50:42.000 Enjoy.

00:50:43.000 Like, every Israeli prime minister for the last 30 years has wanted to do this.

00:50:48.000 The problem is that nobody who's running the show over there in the West Bank or the Gaza Strip is trustworthy because they're all Holocaust-denying terrorists who would like to destroy every Jew living in the region, ranging from Tel Aviv to Haifa, not just worrying about, you know, Hebron or any of the other quote-unquote settlements.

00:51:04.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate.

00:51:10.000 Okay, so Stephen King made a big boo-boo the other day.

00:51:13.000 A big, terrible boo-boo.

00:51:14.000 So he tweeted out, I would never consider diversity in matters of art.

00:51:17.000 Only quality.

00:51:18.000 It seems to me that to do otherwise would be wrong.

00:51:21.000 Oh no, Stephen King, you're not allowed to say that.

00:51:24.000 So Stephen King, who, I'll admit, I enjoy Stephen King's books.

00:51:28.000 At least the premises of his books.

00:51:29.000 He always writes books that have really interesting sort of beginnings, and then mediocre middles, and then the end everything just explodes.

00:51:34.000 Like that's the end of every one of his books.

00:51:36.000 Every one of his books is there's a giant explosion.

00:51:39.000 Really every single one like from the stand to to the shining so like all of them and with just like there's a big explosion you know okay I guess that's a way to end a book okay I suppose in any case Stephen King who is a wild leftist right he hates Trump he He hates conservatives, really hates them.

00:51:56.000 And if you read any of his books, they are wildly biased against the right.

00:51:59.000 Every one of his books is about some small town in Maine, where oppressive right-wingers are trying to shut down the local lesbians.

00:52:05.000 Every single one of his books is like this.

00:52:06.000 They're all about repressive right-wingers who study the Bible too much. 0.89

00:52:09.000 I don't know what happened to him in his childhood, but clearly, he has a real problem with people who have ever read the Bible, and he believes the same things that Rick Wilson believes about ignorant people and their political beliefs. 0.94

00:52:18.000 Anyway.

00:52:18.000 He tweets out this highly controversial thing, right?

00:52:21.000 I would never consider diversity in matters of art, only quality.

00:52:24.000 It seems to me that to do otherwise would be wrong.

00:52:28.000 Really, that to do otherwise would be... So he says that.

00:52:31.000 Correct.

00:52:32.000 When we look at art, we should be looking at the quality of art.

00:52:34.000 But the blowback was fierce.

00:52:36.000 And now he has been forced to do a mea culpa struggle session in the pages of the Washington Post.

00:52:41.000 So now Stephen King, the whitest person in the world, he has a piece called the Oscars are still rigged in favor of He had to have a full-on struggle session. 0.59

00:52:50.000 So after acknowledging that maybe we should, you know, judge art based on its own merits, now he's like, but if it's not made by black people, that's because of racism.

00:52:58.000 That's because of racism.

00:52:59.000 So Stephen King writes, discussions of arts and culture, like discussions of politics, have become increasingly acrimonious and polarized in recent years.

00:53:07.000 Lines of belief are drawn with indelible ink.

00:53:09.000 And if you step over them, wittingly or unwittingly, you find yourself in the social media version of the stocks and subject to a barrage of electronic turnips and cabbages.

00:53:16.000 I stepped over one of those lines recently by saying on Twitter something that I thought, mistakenly, was non-controversial.

00:53:22.000 And then he cites his tweet.

00:53:23.000 The subject was the Academy Awards.

00:53:25.000 I also said, in essence, that those judging creative excellence should be blind to questions of race, gender, or sexual orientation.

00:53:30.000 I did not say that was the case today because nothing could be further from the truth.

00:53:34.000 So here he is buying it back.

00:53:35.000 So he's saying, yeah, I think we should probably just, you know, consider art along its own merits.

00:53:39.000 But then he's like, but the people who actually vote for the Oscars are vicious racists!

00:53:43.000 See, that's what I was actually saying.

00:53:45.000 Actually.

00:53:46.000 I wasn't actually saying that people who are voting at the Oscars are voting on equality.

00:53:50.000 I'm saying that I'm the only not-racist person, says Stephen King, and everybody else who votes for the Oscars is supes-dupes racist. 0.97

00:53:56.000 They're all super-duper racists.

00:53:58.000 It says, nor did I say that films, novels, plays, and music focusing on diversity and or inequality cannot be works of creative genius.

00:54:04.000 They can be, and often are.

00:54:06.000 And then he cites when they see us ending to Bernie's 2019 Netflix miniseries.

00:54:09.000 So going right to the wokest series he can think of.

00:54:12.000 He says, has there been progress in the film community?

00:54:14.000 Yes, some.

00:54:15.000 I'm old enough to remember when there were only a handful of African-American directors and about the only female director in Hollywood was Ida Lupina, who made hard-edged noir B-pics in the 1950s and later worked in TV.

00:54:25.000 Her directing work was never nominated for an Oscar or an Emmy.

00:54:27.000 For answers as to why some talented artists are nominated in some, such as Greta Gerwig, who helmed the astoundingly good new version of Little Women or Not, you might need to look no further than the demographic makeup of those who voted for the Academy Awards.

00:54:38.000 Greta Gerwig was nominated for Best Director two years ago for Lady Bird.

00:54:42.000 Two years ago!

00:54:44.000 So you're telling me that it was all the sexists in the Academy who nominated her two years ago, but didn't nominate her today.

00:54:48.000 Same exact people.

00:54:49.000 But there were sexists today, but not two years ago.

00:54:52.000 According to Stephen King, it's because there aren't enough women voting in the Academy. 1.00

00:54:55.000 Or alternatively, this is just another malice struggle section from folks on the left who are forced to perform ritual breastbeating, get out the sackcloth and the ashes, and weep over their own unwokeness.

00:55:08.000 Stephen King trying to earn his way back into woke circles.

00:55:11.000 He says, only eight years ago, 94% of 5,700 voters were white.

00:55:15.000 According to the Los Angeles Times, 77% male, 54% more than 60 years old.

00:55:19.000 This year, women make up 32% of voters, and minority members equal 16% of the total.

00:55:24.000 Not good enough!

00:55:25.000 Not even within shouting distance of good enough!

00:55:29.000 It's weird, because if you read Stephen King's books, they're disproportionately about white characters.

00:55:32.000 In Maine.

00:55:33.000 Because Maine is disproportionately white.

00:55:35.000 Very odd. 0.99

00:55:36.000 Must be that he is a racist. 1.00

00:55:37.000 So this is why he has to write this, because he's a racist. 0.94

00:55:40.000 Then he talks about how we need to change the constituency of the Academy of Motion Pictures, Arts, and Scientists.

00:55:47.000 I love this.

00:55:48.000 He says, Give them credit for trying to catch up, but not too much credit.

00:55:51.000 Of the nine films nominated for Best Picture this year, the majority, The Irishman, Ford vs. Ferrari, 1917, Joker, and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, are what my sons call man fiction.

00:56:00.000 There are fights, guns, and many white faces.

00:56:04.000 Okay, just like to notice, Stephen King's books, fights, guns, many white faces. 0.89

00:56:11.000 Just gonna point that out.

00:56:12.000 Also going to point out, No one really cares about the white faces so much, but fights and guns have been historically pretty popular in movies, like Going Back, because it's fun to watch. 0.62

00:56:23.000 And also, if he can name which one of those pictures he thinks is really bad, like, I think two of those movies are not very good, right?

00:56:29.000 I think The Irishman is a terrible movie, by the way, and I think The Joker was wildly overrated, but 1917 is a masterpiece.

00:56:34.000 Ford vs. Ferrari is a fantastic piece of American film, and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is Tarantino's best flick.

00:56:40.000 Like, which one of those things should be thrown out for Little Women? 1.00

00:56:42.000 He's gonna have to explain.

00:56:44.000 And then he talks about how there are movies that are not in serious contention, they're not in serious competition for the Oscars, like Harriet.

00:56:52.000 Okay, I saw Harriet.

00:56:53.000 It's fine.

00:56:54.000 It's fine.

00:56:56.000 Is it on the par of any of the other movies that are nominated?

00:56:57.000 No.

00:56:58.000 It's like a normal biopic.

00:57:00.000 And I was really excited about it.

00:57:01.000 I mean, I've written my own script about the John Brown, about the John Brown raid on Harper's Ferry.

00:57:06.000 So I'm very into that historical period.

00:57:07.000 Harriet Tubman's a character in that script.

00:57:08.000 Like, it would be great if it were produced.

00:57:10.000 But the fact is that the movie Harriet Tubman, it's like, okay, it's fine.

00:57:14.000 It's not like unbelievable.

00:57:16.000 It's not like Oscar worthy.

00:57:18.000 It says, how many people saw The Last Black Man in San Francisco?

00:57:20.000 Well, not many, but that's because it wasn't in like huge wide release with huge publicity.

00:57:27.000 And then he explains that he doesn't care, that in the end, even though a lot of his characters are white, he doesn't really care about race because he didn't mind when Indra's elbow was cast as Roland Deschain, the gunslinger at the center of the Dark Tower books.

00:57:38.000 And that response reflects my overall attitude that, as with justice, judgments of creative excellence should be blind.

00:57:43.000 But that would be the case in a perfect world, one where the game isn't rigged in favor of white folks.

00:57:46.000 So there it is.

00:57:47.000 In the end, he's actually rejecting his own premise.

00:57:50.000 Judgments of arts should not be colorblind because we don't live in a colorblind world, and therefore, we certainly should judge the art on the basis of who the artist is.

00:57:57.000 So he has now performed the ritual breastfeeding, and Stephen King can be welcomed back into the halls of wokeness. 0.99

00:58:02.000 Welcome back, Stephen King, and congratulations on your new conversion.

00:58:07.000 Really excellent stuff from the brave Stephen King.

00:58:09.000 Alrighty, we'll be back here later today with two additional hours of content.

00:58:12.000 So stick around for that.

00:58:13.000 Otherwise, we'll see you here tomorrow.

00:58:14.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:58:15.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:58:20.000 The Ben Shapiro Show is produced by Colton Haas.

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00:58:24.000 Executive producer Jeremy Boring.

00:58:25.000 Senior producer Jonathan Hay.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - January 28, 2020

A Bolton Out Of The Blue | Ep. 941

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