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A Scandal About Lying To The FBI About…A Nothingburger? | Ep. 429


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Well, the media think Trump is on his way out, but is he? Trump takes to Twitter to fight back, the Republicans finally pass a tax bill, the President of the United States sounds off on Roy Moore, and we ll go through all of the biblical allusions to taxes. Yes, really. This is The Ben Shapiro Show, and I m going to give you an intellectually honest look at whether President Trump is really in trouble over this whole Mike Flynn indictment thing. What does the Flynn indictment actually mean, and what does it mean for the rest of the Mueller investigation? Plus, I ll talk about the Supreme Court case that s going to be discussed tomorrow, the Tax Bill, and much, much more! Ben Shapiro is a writer and host of the podcast and is a regular contributor to the New York Times, CNN, CBS, and other media outlets. He is also the author of several books, including The Devil Next Door and The Dark Side Of . and has been featured on ABC s Good Morning America, CBS Radio s Morning Show, NBC s Meet the Press, and NBC s Nightly News. His new book Other Words For Smoke is out now. You can find Ben Shapiro on all of these things on Amazon, Podchaser. and many other good reads at The Huffington Post, and if you search for him online, you'll find him on Apple Podcasts, too. If you like what you like, listen to his work, subscribe to his podcast, he's podcast, if you're looking for a good time. Subscribe to his excellent work, be sure to check out his podcast on social media about politics and other things going on in general election related to politics and pop culture, and his podcast recommendations, he'll be listening to him on The FiveThirtyEight, and he's also on The Six Sigma, The Sixix podcast, and more. . Thanks for listening to Ben Shapiro's newest podcast, Ben Shapiro s on his podcast is a must-listen to The Six Figures podcast. Also check out our new podcast on the Four Corners Podcast. The Six Figure Man Podcast on the Six Figures Podcast on his new show on Six Figures of the Week, The Seven Figures Podcast, The Five Cameo Podcast, and The Five Figured Out Podcast on this episode of The Five Figure Mythology, The Real Reel Podcast on Six Sigma.


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00:00:00.000 All right.
00:00:00.000 Well, the media think Trump is on his way out.
00:00:03.000 But is he?
00:00:04.000 Trump takes to Twitter to fight back.
00:00:05.000 The Republicans finally pass a tax bill.
00:00:08.000 Plus, the President of the United States sounds off on Roy Moore.
00:00:11.000 And we'll go through all of the biblical allusions to taxes.
00:00:14.000 Yes, really.
00:00:15.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:00:16.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:00:21.000 So much coming up and I'm going to give you an intellectually honest look at whether President Trump is really in trouble over this whole Mike Flynn indictment thing.
00:00:29.000 What the Mike Flynn indictment thing actually means.
00:00:31.000 I don't think it means nearly as much as the media are making it out to mean.
00:00:35.000 I think the media are way out in front of what the news is actually showing and in fact
00:00:40.000 It seems to me that the Flynn indictment, in some ways, actually shows that the Mueller investigation is not going to end with anything except for a political prosecution of the President of the United States by Democrats.
00:00:50.000 I want to get to all of that.
00:00:52.000 I also want to get to a huge Supreme Court case that is going to be discussed tomorrow.
00:00:55.000 I want to talk about the tax bill.
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00:02:18.000 Okay, so we start, of course, with the big news that broke on Friday, that Mike Flynn had pled guilty to lying to the FBI.
00:02:25.000 The indictment showed that that was really all that was there, and I had speculated two possibilities.
00:02:29.000 Possibility number one is that he pled to lesser charges in order so the FBI could get him to flip on Trump.
00:02:34.000 Possibility number two is that this is basically all the FBI had.
00:02:37.000 And now the FBI is just going to charge a bunch of people for lying to the FBI in the absence of any crime.
00:02:42.000 Remember, what Mike Flynn, the former National Security Advisor, was charged with was lying to the FBI about him making phone calls to the Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, on December 22nd.
00:02:52.000 What exactly did he say in those phone calls that was so all fired terrible?
00:02:56.000 Apparently, he called up and he said, President Obama, on his way out, is attempting to create these new sanctions.
00:03:02.000 He wants to demonstrate that Hillary Clinton lost because we cheated in the election.
00:03:06.000 Don't worry about it.
00:03:07.000 The sanctions are never really going to be taking effect.
00:03:09.000 They're not going to damage you.
00:03:11.000 Just hold your fire.
00:03:12.000 And Putin said, OK.
00:03:12.000 OK, so that's really nothing special, OK?
00:03:15.000 It's a transition team.
00:03:16.000 He is about to enter office as the national security advisor three weeks later.
00:03:20.000 The people who are saying, well, it's a Logan Act violation.
00:03:22.000 The Logan Act prevents you from basically making your own foreign policy.
00:03:25.000 But it's not clear that the Logan Act is even constitutional.
00:03:28.000 It was passed into law in 1799.
00:03:29.000 It has never convicted anyone in 200 and
00:03:34.000 Eighteen years.
00:03:35.000 It has not convicted a person, not one.
00:03:38.000 So the idea that suddenly it's going to be applied for the Trump administration is absurd.
00:03:41.000 You've seen many Democrats who have applied their own foreign policy while Republicans were in office, while other Democrats were in office, for that matter.
00:03:48.000 Jimmy Carter basically ran North Korean foreign policy while Bill Clinton was in office.
00:03:52.000 Teddy Kennedy tried to go over to the USSR and then make a deal with the USSR so that they would help affect the 1984 election cycle so that he could get in.
00:04:00.000 But Barack Obama was conducting calls with
00:04:03.000 Other members of foreign governments long before he took office in 2009.
00:04:07.000 All this stuff has been happening routinely, so the idea that Mike Flynn did anything deeply wrong by contacting the Russian ambassador is absurd.
00:04:13.000 Also, apparently, he asked the Russian ambassador to help stymie a UN resolution that Barack Obama was trying to push in his final days to slap Israel over so-called settlements.
00:04:22.000 And so Kislyak was called by Flynn, presumably at the behest of Jared Kushner, and Kushner said, if you could back off that, that would be nice.
00:04:29.000 Again, I don't see anything wrong with any of this.
00:04:31.000 I really don't see anything terrible about this, but he did lie to the FBI.
00:04:34.000 So now what it looks like is that Robert Mueller is putting together a bunch of charges based on lied to the FBI.
00:04:39.000 Well, if this turns out to be a bunch of people who lied to the FBI about non-criminal activity, as I said last week, this sounds a lot like Scooter Libby.
00:04:46.000 Scooter Libby, if you recall, was an aide to Vice President Dick Cheney during the W administration, and there was a story going around that someone in the White House had leaked
00:04:54.000 The personal information of Valerie Plame, a CIA agent, in order to get revenge on her husband, Joe Wilson, because Joe Wilson had written a long op-ed in the Washington Post about how the Bush administration had been wrong about WMD in Iraq.
00:05:05.000 It turned out that it was Richard Armitage over at the State Department who had leaked Valerie Plame's name, but Scooter Libby sort of either got a conversation wrong or lied about a conversation to the FBI.
00:05:14.000 He was prosecuted, he was put in jail, and Bush commuted his sentence.
00:05:18.000 That sounds a lot like that.
00:05:19.000 Scooter Libby didn't actually commit any crime other than lying to the FBI.
00:05:23.000 Lying to the FBI is a crime, but if there's no underlying crime, it's not Watergate.
00:05:27.000 Watergate was a bunch of lies about an actual crime.
00:05:29.000 A break-in at the Watergate Hotel that was designed to put bugs in the Democratic National Headquarters.
00:05:35.000 Okay, nothing like that has happened here.
00:05:36.000 There's no evidence of any actual crime by anyone in the Trump administration with regard to collusion, with regard to working with the Russian government, no charges of serious crime.
00:05:44.000 And all the rumors that Mike Flynn was going to be charged with corrupt ties to Turkey or to Russia, none of that materialized.
00:05:50.000 Andy McCarthy over at National Review, he has a really fascinating piece in which he discusses at length the idea that
00:05:57.000 There'd be some sort of deal cut where Flynn only gets prosecuted with the smallest possible crimes and he's let go on the bigger ones in order to cut a deal with them.
00:06:03.000 He says that's not the way it works with prosecutors.
00:06:06.000 Andy McCarthy, former federal prosecutor, he says what you do is you actually prosecute the biggest crimes and then you say in the plea agreement that he's going to get off on lesser years for bigger crimes unless he works with us.
00:06:18.000 Because the problem is once you file charges, the charges are filed.
00:06:21.000 Right, so if all they're filing charges on are the lesser charges, that's not much of a threat to Mike Flynn.
00:06:26.000 So, all this talk about how, inevitably, it must be that Mueller has something really terrible on Flynn, and now Flynn is gonna say something really terrible about Trump, not a lot of evidence to suggest that in any case.
00:06:37.000 So, President Trump responds over the weekend.
00:06:39.000 It's not really bright.
00:06:40.000 You know, the President of the United States really should keep his mouth shut on this stuff, or he should send out his lawyers to say something, but the President always feels the need to sound off himself, and in doing so, he gets himself in a little bit of hot water.
00:06:50.000 Here is President Trump defending Mike Flynn.
00:06:52.000 Well, I feel badly for General Flynn.
00:06:54.000 I feel very badly.
00:06:55.000 He's led a very strong life, and I feel very badly, John.
00:07:00.000 I will say this.
00:07:01.000 Hillary Clinton lied many times to the FBI.
00:07:04.000 Nothing happened to her.
00:07:06.000 Flynn lied, and they destroyed his life.
00:07:08.000 I think it's a shame.
00:07:09.000 Hillary Clinton, on the 4th of July weekend, went to the FBI, not under oath.
00:07:16.000 It was the most incredible thing anyone's ever seen.
00:07:19.000 She lied many times.
00:07:20.000 Nothing happened to her.
00:07:22.000 Flynn lied, and it's like...
00:07:24.000 They ruined his life.
00:07:26.000 Very unfair.
00:07:26.000 The most incredible thing anyone has ever seen in history is what Hillary Clinton did.
00:07:31.000 Hillary Clinton will always be the go-to for President Trump.
00:07:35.000 But Trump is not wrong when he says that Hillary Clinton apparently lied to the FBI.
00:07:39.000 I think that that's probably true.
00:07:41.000 And she got away with it.
00:07:42.000 Mike Flynn lied to the FBI, and now it looks like they're pillorying him.
00:07:44.000 Is lying to the FBI okay?
00:07:45.000 Of course not.
00:07:46.000 He committed a crime.
00:07:47.000 And if he committed a crime, then he should pay the price for that crime.
00:07:49.000 But the idea that Michael Flynn was actually trying to cover up for something more nefarious is not true.
00:07:55.000 Now, here's where Trump really gets himself in trouble, or at least we don't have the evidence of that yet.
00:07:58.000 Here's where Trump really gets himself in trouble.
00:08:00.000 So, Trump tweets out this over the weekend.
00:08:02.000 He tweets, quote, Okay, so he's basically saying what I'm saying here is that Flynn lied to the FBI, but there was no underlying crime.
00:08:06.000 The problem here
00:08:18.000 Is it?
00:08:34.000 And the reason I keep saying his words is
00:09:00.000 I took it as a direction.
00:09:02.000 As the President of the United States, with me alone saying, I hope this, I took it as, this is what he wants me to do.
00:09:09.000 I didn't obey that, but that's the way I took it.
00:09:11.000 You may have taken it as a direction, but that's not what he said.
00:09:13.000 Correct.
00:09:15.000 He said, I hope.
00:09:16.000 Those are exact words, correct.
00:09:18.000 You don't know of anyone that's ever been charged for hoping something.
00:09:20.000 Is that a fair statement?
00:09:21.000 I don't as I sit here.
00:09:23.000 Thank you.
00:09:23.000 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
00:09:24.000 Right, so a lot of people on the left saying, well, you know what that is?
00:09:26.000 That right there, that's obstruction of justice.
00:09:29.000 Well, Dianne Feinstein is saying this, right?
00:09:30.000 Dianne Feinstein, the senator from California, she says this looks like obstruction of justice.
00:09:35.000 As you know, I'm ranking on judiciary, and the Judiciary Committee has an investigation going as well.
00:09:42.000 And it involves obstruction of justice.
00:09:46.000 And I think what we're beginning to see is the putting together
00:09:51.000 of a case of obstruction of justice.
00:09:54.000 I think we see this in the indictments, the four indictments and pleas that have just taken place and some of the comments that are being made.
00:10:04.000 I see it in the hyper-phonetic attitude of the White House, the comments every day, the continual tweets.
00:10:12.000 And I see it, most importantly, in what happened with the firing of Director Comey.
00:10:21.000 And it is my belief that that is directly because he did not agree to lift the cloud of the Russia investigation.
00:10:29.000 Okay, the problem here is that there is no clear-cut obstruction of justice, even if he fired Comey.
00:10:34.000 Let's say worst-case scenario.
00:10:35.000 He fired Comey because he wanted Comey to stop investigating Flynn.
00:10:39.000 There's no clear-cut investigation, obstruction of justice, because the president does have the power to fire the FBI director for any reason he sees fit.
00:10:46.000 I've actually looked at the statutes, and I'm going to go through the statutes right now with you on obstruction of justice, as to whether obstruction of justice actually took place.
00:10:54.000 Not clear legally that obstruction of justice has taken place.
00:10:57.000 By the way, the idea that Trump shut down the investigation is obviously untrue.
00:11:00.000 I mean, the special counsel has gone forward.
00:11:01.000 Trump has the power to fire the special prosecutor, Robert Mueller.
00:11:04.000 He has not, in fact, done any of that.
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00:12:49.000 As far as obstruction of justice, the Democrats are basically claiming now that Trump fired James Comey in order to obstruct justice.
00:12:55.000 This doesn't wash for a couple of reasons.
00:12:57.000 One, the special counsel has continued his investigation into Russian collusion and has found nothing.
00:13:02.000 Collusion is not a crime.
00:13:03.000 And now let's look at the actual statutes on obstruction of justice.
00:13:06.000 So, there are three separate federal laws that cover obstruction of justice.
00:13:09.000 There's 18 U.S.
00:13:10.000 Code 1503.
00:13:11.000 This is called the Omnibus Clause.
00:13:12.000 It covers, quote, But this clause requires a pending judicial proceeding.
00:13:24.000 And there is no pending judicial proceeding because Flynn had not been indicted yet.
00:13:28.000 Now, if Trump were to go to Mueller now and say to him, cut it out, let Flynn go, then that would actually be obstruction of justice.
00:13:34.000 But he doesn't have to do that.
00:13:35.000 He can just pardon Flynn.
00:13:36.000 Right, which is not obstruction of justice because he's the president and that's within his purview.
00:13:40.000 It is not clear that an FBI investigation is actually an official proceeding and it's hard to prove intent in any case.
00:13:56.000 And by the way, it's not enough to show intent to violate the subsection.
00:13:58.000 You have to take a substantial step toward the accomplishment of that goal.
00:14:01.000 So again, there's no substantial step taken toward obstruction.
00:14:04.000 And finally, there's 18 U.S.
00:14:05.000 Code 1519, and this provision covers destroying evidence.
00:14:08.000 There are no accusations that President Trump destroyed evidence in any of this.
00:14:12.000 So, is there obstruction of justice?
00:14:13.000 No, she's wrong.
00:14:15.000 Does Trump have the capacity to fire Comey for any reason?
00:14:17.000 The answer is yes, Comey works for him, so there's no obstruction.
00:14:20.000 He could fire Comey.
00:14:21.000 Does that mean that it's smart for the President of the United States to go out there and start saying that he knew that Flynn lied to the FBI and then he fired the FBI director?
00:14:29.000 No, that is not smart of the President of the United States.
00:14:31.000 It gets him in all sorts of hot water, and that's why the President's lawyer came forward and said, I wrote that tweet, it wasn't Trump.
00:14:36.000 The idea being that it doesn't establish Trump's knowledge that Flynn lied to the FBI if the lawyer wrote the tweet.
00:14:42.000 Now, what's interesting is when you watch the conflation of two separate narratives from the Democrats.
00:14:46.000 Dianne Feinstein, I believe, is a lawyer, so she knows enough to know that you can't make charges of collusion without evidence, or you shouldn't, and that the Mike Flynn charges don't show that there is actual cheating in the election between Russia and the Trump
00:15:01.000 campaign.
00:15:02.000 Joy Behar, however, is a moron, and so she doesn't know that.
00:15:04.000 So Joy Behar over at The View, she completely misconstrues the report from Mike Flynn, and you'll hear the crowd cheer as they think they finally got Trump.
00:15:11.000 Oh, breaking news.
00:15:12.000 ABC News Brian Ross is reporting Michael Flynn promised full cooperation to the Mueller team and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians!
00:15:25.000 Yes!
00:15:33.000 And the crowd goes wild for news that never happened.
00:15:39.000 Because it never happened.
00:15:40.000 So we reported on Friday that Brian Ross had said this on ABC.
00:15:43.000 Only one problem.
00:15:45.000 Brian Ross was wrong.
00:15:47.000 So, let's get to Trump fighting back against all of this.
00:15:50.000 So Trump is not a guy who sits down when he feels that there's a need to stand.
00:15:56.000 The President is a counter-puncher, as the Vice President says.
00:15:58.000 And the idea that the President of the United States is going to take a backseat to anyone on this stuff is not true.
00:16:03.000 I think so.
00:16:27.000 It is certainly, certainly the case that James Comey was biased in favor of Hillary Clinton.
00:16:31.000 There is no doubt whatsoever that she actually violated the law and he let her off the hook preemptively.
00:16:35.000 And it's not a surprise that an anti-Trump FBI agent was helping Hillary Clinton out.
00:16:39.000 The idea that the FBI is a non-political body is not true.
00:16:42.000 The FBI has always been somewhat of a political body.
00:16:44.000 That does not mean that local FBI agents aren't doing their jobs.
00:16:46.000 But Trump isn't wrong about this.
00:16:49.000 By the way, it is important to question,
00:16:51.000 I asked this question on Fox.
00:16:52.000 It still has not been answered.
00:16:53.000 This FBI agent, the story here is that there was an FBI agent who had texted some nasty things about Trump and Robert Mueller fired him.
00:16:59.000 The question is how Robert Mueller found out about it.
00:17:02.000 So if Robert Mueller found out about it and fired him, then Robert Mueller is not biased, right?
00:17:07.000 That would be evidence that Robert Mueller is trying to do the right thing.
00:17:09.000 If he found out about it because the media reported on it and then he fired him, then it might be that the Mueller investigation is inherently biased.
00:17:15.000 I don't think Mueller is necessarily biased against Trump.
00:17:18.000 I think that this is what special prosecutors do.
00:17:20.000 They dig and they dig and they dig and they dig until they find a crime.
00:17:23.000 And if they can't find a crime, then they get a bunch of people in there to talk to the FBI, and then they use that to create crimes.
00:17:28.000 And I'm not saying that Mike Flynn was in trap.
00:17:30.000 Mike Flynn is an intelligent guy, should have been there with a lawyer.
00:17:33.000 You don't lie to the FBI.
00:17:34.000 But it is also true that the FBI likes to charge lying to the FBI, even when there's no underlying crime.
00:17:39.000 So Trump slams the FBI, and then he continues along these lines.
00:17:42.000 He also tweets this.
00:17:43.000 So here's Trump going after the FBI.
00:17:45.000 Now, you know, there is something dangerous about going after the entire institution of the FBI.
00:17:59.000 But to suggest that there was bias in the Hillary investigation, I think, is understating the case.
00:18:04.000 As I said at the time, the idea that Mueller did not indict Hillary Clinton, or at least recommend her indictment, is pretty astonishing.
00:18:11.000 Okay, so there is that.
00:18:12.000 Then he went directly after James Comey.
00:18:14.000 So Comey, why Comey is still in the news is really beyond me.
00:18:18.000 I guess just because Comey, the suggestion is that he obstructed justice by firing Comey.
00:18:23.000 But Trump says, I never asked Comey to stop investigating Flynn.
00:18:25.000 Just more fake news covering another Comey lie.
00:18:28.000 So, Comey is the one who testified to that.
00:18:30.000 Trump is now saying that he never told Comey to stop investigating Flynn.
00:18:34.000 The evidence on Trump's side on this is that Comey didn't actually stop investigating Flynn, and even after Comey was fired, the investigation into Flynn obviously didn't stop.
00:18:41.000 So, it's possible that Trump said, I wish that you would see your way clear to letting Flynn go.
00:18:46.000 He's not a bad guy.
00:18:48.000 By the same token, that doesn't really count as telling Flynn to stop investigating, telling Comey to stop investigating Flynn.
00:18:54.000 I mean, Trump had the capacity to make that stop, and he didn't.
00:18:57.000 And then he continued along, smacking Comey.
00:19:00.000 He said,
00:19:06.000 Worst in history, but fear not, we'll bring it back to greatness.
00:19:09.000 So he's attacking the FBI, so another institution under attack.
00:19:12.000 Now Comey's not helping his case.
00:19:13.000 So Comey goes out himself and decides that it is worthwhile to tweet.
00:19:18.000 So now Comey's on Twitter.
00:19:19.000 This is just what we need, everyone on Twitter.
00:19:20.000 And James Comey tweets a bunch of pictures of people in FBI coats saying, I want the people to know this truth.
00:19:25.000 The FBI is honest, the FBI is strong, and the FBI is and always will be independent.
00:19:30.000 Me, June 8th, 2017.
00:19:32.000 There is an account called Ben Shapiro Quotes.
00:19:34.000 I do retweet it, but I don't actually quote myself.
00:19:38.000 I'm not sure that I've ever actually quoted myself on Twitter like that.
00:19:42.000 James Comey is, Trump called him a grandstander and basically an attention whore.
00:19:47.000 James Comey is those things.
00:19:48.000 So Trump goes after Comey as well.
00:19:50.000 Then Trump goes after the media.
00:19:51.000 He's not wrong to go after bias in the FBI.
00:19:53.000 He's not wrong to go after Comey, by the way.
00:19:56.000 And he's not wrong to go after the media.
00:19:57.000 So he starts slamming the media too.
00:19:59.000 Particularly because of this retracted report from Brian Ross.
00:20:02.000 So let's start with the actual Brian Ross report.
00:20:03.000 So Brian Ross originally reported this about Mike Flynn and President Trump.
00:20:10.000 He's prepared to testify, we are told by a confidant, against President Trump, against members of the Trump family, and others in the White House.
00:20:17.000 He's prepared to testify that President Trump, as a candidate, Donald Trump, ordered him, directed him, to make contact with the Russians, which contradicts all that Donald Trump has said at this point.
00:20:27.000 As well, we're told that Flynn made the decision to cooperate only in the last 24 hours, that he is distraught about the decision, but feels he's doing the right thing for his country, that he was facing huge legal bills of more than a million dollars,
00:20:40.000 And that he said that finally he had to go ahead and do this for that reason.
00:20:44.000 He expects to put his house on the market.
00:20:46.000 He is facing serious financial problems.
00:20:48.000 Okay, so Ross has been in trouble a few other times for getting the story completely wrong.
00:20:52.000 Here he got the story completely wrong.
00:20:53.000 It turns out that Flynn had not, was not going to testify that candidate Trump told him to contact the Russians, but that President-elect Trump had told him to contact the Russians.
00:21:01.000 That makes a huge difference.
00:21:03.000 President-elect Trump telling him to contact the Russians is not a big deal.
00:21:06.000 It doesn't go to the question of whether the Trump campaign was working with the Russians in the first place.
00:21:10.000 So Brian Ross is forced to retract this.
00:21:12.000 Here he is retracting this just over the weekend.
00:21:15.000 He was then suspended for a month for getting this report wrong.
00:21:18.000 And David, a clarification tonight on something one of Flynn's confidants told us and we reported earlier today.
00:21:23.000 He said the President had asked Flynn to contact Russia during the campaign.
00:21:26.000 He's now clarifying that, saying, according to Flynn, candidate Trump asked him during the campaign to find ways to repair relations with Russia and other hotspots.
00:21:34.000 And then after the election, the President-elect told him to contact Russia on issues including working together to fight ISIS.
00:21:41.000 David.
00:21:42.000 Before and after.
00:21:43.000 And in the meantime, Brian, we do have a statement from Michael Flynn tonight.
00:21:46.000 He said, I accept full responsibility for my actions.
00:21:49.000 That's right.
00:21:50.000 And Flynn's confidant says Flynn's extremely angry at the White House tonight that he was going broke with crippling legal fees.
00:21:56.000 OK, so we're going to let that go.
00:21:57.000 OK, finally, Trump goes after Brian Ross and the media.
00:22:00.000 And we'll get to that in just one second.
00:22:02.000 So Trump is lashing out at everyone.
00:22:04.000 In part, I think justifiably, in part he's making things worse for himself.
00:22:08.000 When he lashes out this way, it makes him look like he has something to hide, even though he doesn't.
00:22:11.000 I've said from the very beginning, from literally the outside of this, that when he fired Comey, it seems to me that the best possible explanation for what Trump does is incompetence, not malice.
00:22:20.000 That usually it's about President Trump being angry at something that's going on, firing somebody, not about him just deciding that he wants to cover up some sort of nefarious crime.
00:22:29.000 I'll get to all that in just a second.
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00:23:39.000 So Trump slams Brian Ross.
00:23:41.000 He goes after him here too.
00:23:42.000 He's not wrong to slam Brian Ross.
00:23:44.000 He's right.
00:23:44.000 Brian Ross was wrong here.
00:23:46.000 Again, I'm not sure it's worth the president getting his hands dirty because when the president does this, it gives off an air of desperation that I don't think is actually warranted here.
00:23:53.000 He says, people who lost money when stock market went down 350 points based on the false and dishonest reporting of Brian Ross of ABC News, he has been suspended, should consider hiring a lawyer and suing ABC for the damages this bad reporting has caused.
00:24:05.000 Many millions of dollars.
00:24:07.000 I don't really think he wants to go here.
00:24:09.000 The fact is the President of the United States has momentarily tanked various stocks over his presidency by naming companies and bashing them.
00:24:16.000 If they can sue over Trump doing that, then, you know, they can also sue over Brian Ross, I suppose.
00:24:21.000 Trump continues along these lines, and he says,
00:24:25.000 Trump goes after the media, he goes after Brian Ross.
00:24:28.000 Not a shock there.
00:24:28.000 And then finally he hits the Justice Department.
00:24:30.000 He's still angry at his own Justice Department for not going after Hillary Clinton.
00:24:33.000 And really he's mad at Jeff Sessions and the Justice Department for not protecting him from what he feels is a witch hunt.
00:24:39.000 And here's what he tweeted.
00:24:39.000 Many people in our country are asking what the Justice Department, justice in scare quotes, is going to do about the fact that totally crooked Hillary, after receiving a subpoena from the United States Congress, deleted an acid wash 33,000 emails.
00:24:50.000 No justice.
00:24:52.000 And then he tweeted along these lines again.
00:24:55.000 He went after his own DOJ.
00:24:56.000 Again, I don't think he's wrong on all this.
00:24:58.000 I just think that the louder Trump gets, the more it looks as though he has something to hide.
00:25:00.000 And that's a problem for him.
00:25:01.000 The best thing he could do right now is say, listen,
00:25:17.000 The investigation should go forward.
00:25:19.000 I didn't lie.
00:25:20.000 Mike Flynn might have lied to the FBI, but it was about an underlying crime that doesn't exist.
00:25:24.000 And then maybe down the road, when all that comes out is that it's a bunch of lied-to-the-FBI charges with no underlying crime, he can always do the Scooter Libby, just commute everybody sentence.
00:25:34.000 To me, that seems like the best possible solution.
00:25:35.000 But what's happening here is I think Trump is getting so upset about this that now he's thinking about firing Robert Mueller, the special counsel.
00:25:41.000 Once you fire the special counsel, then all hell breaks loose because people are going to assume, rightly or wrongly, that you really do have something to hide.
00:25:48.000 So whoever is around President Trump should be encouraging him today not to fire Mueller, but to be encouraging
00:25:53.000 Mike Flynn that he's probably never going to serve a day in jail for lying to the FBI about something for which there's no underlying crime.
00:25:58.000 Chris Ruddy, who's a friend to President Trump, says that Mueller is an existential threat to the Trump presidency at this point.
00:26:04.000 That's true in the sense that the more of this builds up, the more Democrats might try to impeach him.
00:26:09.000 But let me put it this way.
00:26:11.000 If the Democrats tried to impeach Trump over Mike Flynn lying to the FBI over no underlying crime, I would oppose the impeachment.
00:26:17.000 I think so would most Americans.
00:26:19.000 Here's Chris Ruddy, though, saying that Trump is feeling really threatened.
00:26:22.000 You know, at the end of the day, my view is that Robert Mueller poses an existential threat to the Trump presidency.
00:26:29.000 He's gotten four major, uh, two convictions, two plea agreements, lightning speed.
00:26:35.000 Okay, I don't think that he poses an existential threat to the Trump presidency, unless you think that Trump actually has something to hide.
00:26:40.000 If Trump does have something to hide, then it was Trump that posed an existential threat to the Trump presidency, not Mueller.
00:26:45.000 That said, this does not look like this is an apolitical investigation by any stretch of the imagination.
00:26:51.000 It looks like an investigation designed to elicit charges of lie to the FBI that is not designed to elicit actual underlying crimes.
00:26:58.000 We were told this investigation was all about collusion with the Russians.
00:27:01.000 Has there been any evidence of that?
00:27:02.000 Has Mueller indicted anyone for any of that?
00:27:05.000 Not that I can really see anywhere here.
00:27:07.000 I mean, George Papadopoulos would be the closest thing to it, and even that is unclear as far as actual collusion.
00:27:13.000 Okay, so, I have a lot more to talk about.
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00:28:54.000 All righty, so a lot else to get to.
00:28:56.000 President Trump has endorsed Roy Moore.
00:28:58.000 I'm going to save that for things that I hate, but first I want to get to tax reform passing.
00:29:02.000 So all of this Flynn news has swamped what is the biggest accomplishment so far of the Trump presidency outside of the Gorsuch pick for the Supreme Court, and that is the passage of tax reform in the Senate.
00:29:12.000 I've discussed sort of the merits of the tax
00:29:15.000 Bill before.
00:29:16.000 I think it is a meritorious bill.
00:29:17.000 I think there's a lot that is good to it.
00:29:18.000 The Democrats are suggesting that it is just the worst thing ever.
00:29:21.000 Patton Oswalt, the insufferable comedian who was also the voice of the rat, Remy, in Ratatouille, he tweeted out, Does it matter now if Trump is impeached?
00:29:34.000 There's no America now.
00:29:36.000 Not the one we knew.
00:29:37.000 Sorry.
00:29:38.000 Feeling real despair this morning.
00:29:40.000 Wait, like, we cut, I get to keep more of my own money, and that ends America?
00:29:45.000 That's like the end of it?
00:29:46.000 Like, we're done?
00:29:47.000 Donzo, turn out the lights?
00:29:48.000 Finished?
00:29:49.000 Finito?
00:29:50.000 Finito Mussolini?
00:29:52.000 Like, what, what in the, what in the world?
00:29:54.000 It's, okay, so, after the Obamacare decision came down from the Supreme Court, I said that America had been fundamentally changed.
00:30:00.000 The reason I said that is because a basic principle of Americanism had been ripped away.
00:30:04.000 That principle was the government cannot force you to buy things.
00:30:07.000 Right?
00:30:08.000 Until then, the idea that the government could force you to buy an entirely optional product with no externalities on anyone else, this is a brand new concept.
00:30:15.000 And that fundamentally changed things.
00:30:16.000 It violated my liberty.
00:30:18.000 It installed a new tentpole for tyranny in the United States.
00:30:21.000 I can force you to not buy anything I want, and I can force you to buy anything I want.
00:30:24.000 That's full-on control of my life.
00:30:27.000 Patton Oswalt, however, thinks that if I get to keep more of my own money, that this is the end of America.
00:30:31.000 There's no America now.
00:30:33.000 Now listen, you cannot like the process by how this bill was passed.
00:30:35.000 I'm not real fond of it.
00:30:36.000 It was crammed through.
00:30:37.000 It was done with handwritten notes in the margins.
00:30:41.000 By the way, that's not as rare as it seems.
00:30:42.000 There have been a bunch of Congress people who have done that before.
00:30:45.000 The Dodd-Frank bill had handwritten notes in the margins.
00:30:47.000 All of that said, it was rushed through without proper evaluation or debate.
00:30:52.000 That was done because senators didn't want blowback, but
00:30:56.000 It's a pretty typical Republican bill.
00:30:57.000 It's not like there's anything groundbreaking here.
00:31:00.000 The biggest problem with the bill is that it doesn't cut expenditures, which is really what I wish Republicans would focus on.
00:31:07.000 Right now, Republicans inflate the deficit by cutting taxes.
00:31:11.000 Even though the tax revenues in the long run grow, it may not make up for the tax revenues that are lost in the short run, meaning the government takes in less money.
00:31:18.000 Democrats blow out the budget by increasing spending, even if they raise taxes.
00:31:22.000 I don't think Republicans shouldn't lower taxes, I just think they need to pair that with some actual cuts, which I highly doubt they will do, and so we continue to kick the can down the road on our debt.
00:31:31.000 But the idea that this is the end of America, it demonstrates that for the left,
00:31:35.000 They truly believe, I mean they really do believe, that it is the government's job to control your life, and anything the government doesn't do to control your life is bad for America.
00:31:44.000 The more the government does to control your life, the better it is for America.
00:31:46.000 I'll show you the proof.
00:31:47.000 So, Larry Summers is the former president of Harvard, former Clinton treasury secretary, and he predicted 10,000 people would die per year because of tax reform today on CNBC.
00:31:56.000 There's pretty clear evidence looking across different states and looking when health insurance has been phased in and out.
00:32:03.000 When people lose health insurance, they're less likely to get preventive care, they're more likely to defer health care they need, and ultimately they're more likely to die.
00:32:12.000 And it's very hard to quantify precisely.
00:32:15.000 My piece explains why an estimate that thousands will die as a consequence of this bill is actually a very conservative estimate.
00:32:25.000 So the reason he says that is because the bill also gets rid of the individual mandate.
00:32:28.000 It doesn't force you to buy health insurance.
00:32:29.000 But the idea here is that if the government doesn't force you to buy health insurance, and you opt not to, that is the same as the government killing you.
00:32:36.000 That's insane.
00:32:37.000 Okay?
00:32:37.000 That means that the government didn't force me this morning to get up and wrap myself in bubble wrap.
00:32:42.000 The government didn't wake me this morning and say, you have to eat healthy today.
00:32:45.000 That means the government is killing me.
00:32:47.000 By not telling me what to do, the government is killing me.
00:32:49.000 This is precisely the reverse of the notions of American liberty enshrined in the Constitution of the United States and the Declaration of Independence.
00:32:56.000 But it goes further than this.
00:32:57.000 There are a bunch of commentators who are out there saying that it is irreligious.
00:33:00.000 All these religious Christians who back the tax reform bill.
00:33:03.000 What the hell is wrong with these people?
00:33:05.000 So, there's a guy named Jonathan Martin, or James Martin rather, who is a Jesuit priest, and he tweeted this out.
00:33:11.000 This is false.
00:33:12.000 The bill does not take money from the poor to give to the rich.
00:33:16.000 It allows rich people to keep their own money.
00:33:17.000 It allows poor people to keep their own money.
00:33:27.000 In hell!
00:33:28.000 Dun-dun-dun-dun!
00:33:30.000 He says, do you think Jesus' words about being judged on how we care for the poor don't apply?
00:33:34.000 Think.
00:33:35.000 Again.
00:33:36.000 And then he brings the hammer.
00:33:38.000 Boom!
00:33:39.000 Okay, and he's not the only person who's speaking religious sophistry.
00:33:42.000 There's a female rabbi named Dania Rutenberg, and she tweeted something out like, if the Bible is so against systemic solutions to poverty, why is a Jubilee year declared that releases people from debt to alleviate intergenerational poverty?
00:33:54.000 What is Lekit?
00:33:55.000 Shichachah?
00:33:56.000 In a second, I'm going to go through actually what the Bible says about taxes, but I first want to point something out.
00:34:05.000 The Bible never says that it's the government's job to provide for the poor.
00:34:09.000 It says that it is your job to provide for the poor.
00:34:12.000 This is why religious people give significantly more charity than irreligious people.
00:34:15.000 It's why conservatives give a lot more personal charity than non-conservative people.
00:34:19.000 So all the people who are generous with everybody else's money by using the government as a crammed down mechanism for welfare, all those people are happy to use my money in the ways they see fit, but they are not willing to actually dip into their own pocket and make it happen.
00:34:30.000 The reason that, whether you're talking about Jesus or you're talking about the Old Testament, all of the religious sources in Judeo-Christian history have been talking
00:34:38.000 Not about what the state should do, but about what you should do.
00:34:41.000 How you have a religious obligation to help out the poor, and the needy, and the widow, and the orphan.
00:34:45.000 Okay, now I'm going to actually go through the Bible.
00:34:47.000 So there are a bunch of people who have complained before about, well, you know, you're a religious person, Ben, you wear a yarmulke, and yet there are a bunch of things in the Bible that talk about taking care of the poor.
00:34:55.000 Okay, now I'm going to go through them, and I'm going to show you what sort of taxes the Bible is talking about to take care of the poor.
00:35:00.000 Okay, number one, the Bible talks about taxes explicitly twice.
00:35:03.000 I'm talking here about the Tanakh, the Old Testament.
00:35:06.000 It uses the Hebrew word, which is mas.
00:35:08.000 Mas means tax in Hebrew.
00:35:11.000 It only uses it twice, in the entirety of the Torah, in the prophets, and in the writings.
00:35:17.000 It uses it with regard to the king, Rehoboam, who is Solomon's son.
00:35:21.000 Solomon raised taxes, and then his son raised taxes, and the actual effect of that is that the kingdom of Israel split in two because taxes were too high.
00:35:28.000 Talks about that a little bit later in the prophets.
00:35:32.000 And then Ahasuerus in the Purim story raised taxes at the end of the story, demonstrating his mastery over the far-flung domains.
00:35:40.000 In neither context are the taxes seen as something good.
00:35:44.000 The Talmud especially rips into the tax of Ahasuerus.
00:35:47.000 Okay, now, let's talk about other biblical forms of tax.
00:35:50.000 First, there's tithing.
00:35:51.000 Okay, when it talks about tithing, specifically it's talking about something in Hebrew that's called maser cheni.
00:35:56.000 Now, I know I don't want to get too abstruse here with the biblical teaching, but since I actually do read the Bible in the original Hebrew, I'm going to use some Hebrew terms here.
00:36:03.000 Maser cheni is tithing.
00:36:04.000 That's the tithing that we always talk about for the poor.
00:36:07.000 But here's what the Bible actually says about that in Deuteronomy.
00:36:09.000 There's actually two sets of tithing in the Torah.
00:36:13.000 There's maser and there's maser cheni.
00:36:14.000 Maser literally means one-tenth.
00:36:16.000 So, maser
00:36:17.000 And Maser Sheyni.
00:36:18.000 Maser is for the Levites.
00:36:20.000 Maser Sheyni is for the poor and the orphans and the widows.
00:36:22.000 Okay?
00:36:22.000 It only applies in the third and sixth years of the sabbatical cycle, and it's 10% of produce.
00:36:28.000 Okay, so that's a 10% tax every third and sixth year for the widow and the orphan.
00:36:31.000 Okay, then there's something called Sheikhecha.
00:36:33.000 That's when you forget a sheaf in the field.
00:36:34.000 This is also in Deuteronomy.
00:36:35.000 You're supposed to leave it for the widow and orphan.
00:36:37.000 So you're walking around, and you leave one or two sheafs for the widow and orphan.
00:36:40.000 Okay, that's pretty de minimis.
00:36:42.000 Okay, then there is leket and peah.
00:36:44.000 These are referenced in Leviticus 19.
00:36:46.000 Leket is referring to ears of corn that you forget on the ground.
00:36:48.000 Same sort of thing.
00:36:49.000 You're gleaning your crop and you forget an ear of corn on the ground.
00:36:52.000 Leave it there for the poor.
00:36:53.000 And then there is peah, which refers to leaving a corner of your field for the poor and the widow.
00:36:58.000 Right?
00:36:58.000 The minimum amount for peah is 160th of your field.
00:37:01.000 So, at best, we are talking about a biblically mandated 11.7% of your produce every third and sixth year.
00:37:09.000 That's what the Bible says.
00:37:11.000 Talk about how the Bible is saying, well, you have to give 100% of everything to charity.
00:37:14.000 It's nonsense.
00:37:15.000 In fact, in Judaism, once you hit a certain, once you hit, I believe it's 20% of your money to charity, you're supposed to think seriously about whether to give more than that because you're actually undercutting your own ability to take care of your family.
00:37:27.000 Democrats are talking about maintaining tax rates of above 50%, okay?
00:37:31.000 So don't talk to me about what the Bible says about taxes.
00:37:33.000 Okay, then they talk about two further biblical provisions.
00:37:37.000 There is Shemitah, which is the sabbatical year.
00:37:38.000 Every seventh year, you leave the land fallow.
00:37:40.000 The idea there was that the land is going to recover.
00:37:42.000 And then there's Yovel.
00:37:43.000 Okay, Yovel is every 50th year, all of the land sales that have been made in the prior 50 years revert back to their original owner.
00:37:49.000 Both of these were supposed to get rid of loans.
00:37:51.000 One of the problems that happened is that it turns out people stopped giving loans at all.
00:37:55.000 So what did the rabbis do?
00:37:56.000 The Talmud says that they designed something called a pruzbul, which was a basic legal workaround so that you could continue to lend, because lending ground to a halt.
00:38:05.000 Also, the purpose of having all the land revert back to its original owners in the 50th year was not
00:38:11.000 Okay, so there is your basic biblical breakdown.
00:38:12.000 I know that's more specific than most people would want, but the idea that the Bible mandates that you are supposed to give enormous amounts of charity via government compulsion is just not true.
00:38:20.000 It's not true in the slightest.
00:38:21.000 Okay.
00:38:37.000 Other big story today.
00:38:39.000 Final big story and then we'll get to some things I like, things I hate, and the Federalist Papers.
00:38:44.000 The other big story is that tomorrow there's a big case at the Supreme Court.
00:38:47.000 It's called the Masterpiece Cake Shop case.
00:38:48.000 So we've talked about this before.
00:38:50.000 The Masterpiece Cake Shop case is a seminal one for both religious liberty and freedom of association.
00:38:54.000 Basically, there's a guy named Jack Phillips.
00:38:56.000 Jack is a baker in Colorado.
00:38:57.000 He makes, he decorates cakes.
00:38:59.000 He will make a cake for anyone.
00:39:00.000 Gay couple, straight couple, green couple,
00:39:03.000 Doesn't matter.
00:39:03.000 He'll make a cake even for your gay wedding.
00:39:05.000 What he won't do is decorate it in particular styles.
00:39:07.000 He's not going to use his artistic skill in order to make a wedding cake for a gay wedding.
00:39:12.000 So he's not going to decorate a cake that says, Happy Gay Wedding, John and Bob.
00:39:16.000 He's not going to actually take one of those cake toppers with two dudes and stick it on top of the cake.
00:39:20.000 That's something that Jack is not going to do.
00:39:22.000 So, the leftists at the Colorado Civil Rights Commission said that Jack has to be forced to violate his own religious beliefs as a result of their own ruling.
00:39:30.000 He lost 40% of his business, more than half of his employees, all for abiding by his biblical beliefs.
00:39:36.000 The left says the government should be able to force Jack to decorate the cake for the gay couple for their wedding.
00:39:41.000 Okay, this is viscerally anti-religion.
00:39:44.000 It's also anti-freedom of association.
00:39:46.000 And Sarah Jones is a leftist columnist in the New Republic.
00:39:49.000 Here's what she says, and I think this is right.
00:39:51.000 She says,
00:40:00.000 I guess that's fair.
00:40:01.000 What Phillips wants is for his personal beliefs to be able to be invoked in his business dealings.
00:40:05.000 As we all would like.
00:40:07.000 Right?
00:40:07.000 I don't think that if you're a leftist radio host, you should be forced to have me on your show.
00:40:11.000 I don't think that if you're a leftist speech writer, you should be forced to work for President Trump and use your artistry to that effect.
00:40:15.000 I don't think that if you're a gay business owner, you should be forced to
00:40:18.000 Bake me a cake that says on it Leviticus 18.22.
00:40:21.000 I don't think you need to do any of those things because I'm for freedom.
00:40:24.000 Freedom only exists in the spaces where we acknowledge that we have no right to someone else's labor or approval.
00:40:29.000 Tyranny grows when we refuse to approve those spaces.
00:40:32.000 This is about tyranny.
00:40:33.000 It's not even about religion.
00:40:34.000 It's about do you have the freedom to act in ways you see fit even if others don't like it and even if it means that others can't take advantage of your services.
00:40:41.000 The answer is, was, and always will be constitutionally yes.
00:40:44.000 That is why I believe fully that you are able to turn away whomever you want from your business, and yes, that includes for bad people, right?
00:40:51.000 Racists can turn away people, anti-Semites can turn away Jews.
00:40:54.000 You know what'll happen?
00:40:55.000 They'll walk across the street.
00:40:56.000 Racists can turn away black people.
00:40:58.000 You know what'll happen?
00:40:58.000 They'll walk across the street, and those racists will go bankrupt.
00:41:00.000 As I've said in a thousand speeches at this point, the fact is that capitalism doesn't care about color, it doesn't care about creed, all it cares about is cash.
00:41:07.000 And if you're turning away a vast bevy of clientele, you're undermining your own business.
00:41:10.000 Okay.
00:41:12.000 Time for things I like, things I hate, and then we'll go through a Federalist paper really quickly.
00:41:14.000 So, things I like.
00:41:16.000 So over the weekend, I had a chance to read some Elmore Leonard.
00:41:18.000 Never actually read his stuff.
00:41:20.000 I'd watched a little bit of the series Justified.
00:41:22.000 If you watch that series, it's based on a short story called Fire in the Hole.
00:41:25.000 And Elmore Leonard is a crime writer.
00:41:27.000 He's really quite good.
00:41:29.000 I really enjoy his writing.
00:41:30.000 He's very straightforward.
00:41:31.000 He's not deliberately obscure.
00:41:32.000 So I've read a couple of really good crime writers in the past couple of weeks.
00:41:35.000 Don Winslow, whose early stuff, I read one of his books that I didn't like very much.
00:41:38.000 Uh, the legend, the life and death of Bobby Z wasn't very good, but his book on the cartel was great.
00:41:43.000 Uh, and Fire in the Hole is another very, very good book of short crime stories.
00:41:48.000 Uh, there's a reason that Elmore Leonard is a best-selling author, check it out.
00:41:51.000 Elmore Leonard, Fire in the Hole, it's kind of old, it's kind of westerns, it's basically westerns.
00:41:54.000 Uh, and they're pretty great.
00:41:55.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.
00:42:00.000 Alright, so the thing that I hate today is that the President has endorsed Roy Moore.
00:42:03.000 The President came out and tweeted that he supported Roy Moore and that you should support Roy Moore too.
00:42:07.000 He then called up Roy Moore personally and lent his support.
00:42:11.000 Has anything changed from when these allegations were originally made about Roy Moore for child molestation?
00:42:15.000 The answer is no, nothing has changed.
00:42:17.000 It is certainly possible the President of the United States could go around saying, don't vote Doug Jones.
00:42:22.000 Right?
00:42:22.000 Don't vote Doug Jones.
00:42:23.000 You want to vote right in?
00:42:24.000 Whatever.
00:42:25.000 You want to vote for Roy Moore?
00:42:27.000 Alright.
00:42:28.000 But don't vote Doug Jones.
00:42:29.000 He could have said that.
00:42:29.000 Right?
00:42:30.000 And just made it into a lesser of two evils choice.
00:42:32.000 By overtly endorsing Roy Moore, it is very difficult to escape the public perception that you're poo-pooing
00:42:38.000 The actual child molestation allegations.
00:42:41.000 Now the Democrats have no leg to stand on here since they're going to let Al Franken sit in the Senate after we have pictures of him trying to grow up a woman's breasts while she's sleeping.
00:42:47.000 Democrats don't have much of a leg to stand on so long as John Conyers is in Congress.
00:42:51.000 So long as Bill Clinton is still an honored member of their society.
00:42:54.000 That said, is this good for the country?
00:42:56.000 No, it's not good for the country when you're going to have an alleged child molester sitting in the Senate.
00:43:00.000 He's probably going to win.
00:43:01.000 And I think that he'll be seated.
00:43:02.000 I think that the idea that the Senate is going to not seat him is foolish.
00:43:06.000 I think now they'll seat him.
00:43:07.000 Now that Al Franken is staying, he'll be seated.
00:43:09.000 And you see that Mitch McConnell is making those moves too.
00:43:12.000 Here's Mitch McConnell in Alabama saying, we'll let the people of Alabama decide whether he ought to be seated.
00:43:16.000 Well, I think we're going to let the people of Alabama decide a week from Tuesday who they want to send to the Senate, and then we'll address the matter appropriately.
00:43:25.000 I've already said in the past that I thought this was a matter that would have to be considered by the committee.
00:43:31.000 Ultimately, it would be up to them to make that decision, and they'll make it, depending upon whether Judge Moore ends up coming to the Senate.
00:43:40.000 Do you believe that Judge Moore should be in the Senate?
00:43:43.000 I'm going to let the people of Alabama make the call.
00:43:46.000 It's a move by McConnell in the wrong direction.
00:43:48.000 So we've seen all these politicians basically futzing over these allegations.
00:43:51.000 First you had Nancy Pelosi defending John Conyers.
00:43:53.000 Now you have Mitch McConnell basically defending Roy Moore.
00:43:56.000 Everything is getting worse and worse on this score because no one is willing to take a moral stand and take a temporary loss.
00:44:00.000 You do wonder, you know, back in 1993, I think it was, David Duke ran for Senate in Louisiana.
00:44:04.000 And the Republicans said, we would rather you vote for the Democrat than David Duke.
00:44:08.000 You do wonder today if the Republican Party would do that, or if the Democratic Party would do that if the case were reversed.
00:44:13.000 We may be so partisan that we're beyond saving here.
00:44:15.000 Okay, so quick correction.
00:44:16.000 So last week, even during my corrections, I screwed up a correction.
00:44:18.000 So now I'm going to correct another thing.
00:44:21.000 As I try to make clear, folks, I'm trying to, when I make a mistake, at least I try to fix it.
00:44:24.000 Okay, so Theresa May, I said, was selected on the basis of her being pro-Brexit.
00:44:29.000 That is not true.
00:44:30.000 She didn't actually have a position on the referendum.
00:44:33.000 She had been, I guess, you know,
00:44:36.000 Sort of anti-Brexit, but then when she came in she pledged that she was going to enforce Brexit.
00:44:41.000 I had a guy named Richard who wrote to me and he says, Okay, I hope I have corrected this to everyone's satisfaction now.
00:44:45.000 Okay.
00:44:58.000 Now, I'm going to go briefly through Federalist Papers.
00:45:00.000 So Federalist No.
00:45:01.000 So we are gradually making our way through the Federalist Papers.
00:45:04.000 The Federalist Papers are very long.
00:45:07.000 There are 85 of them.
00:45:08.000 We are now through No.
00:45:09.000 6, so we are gradually making our way.
00:45:11.000 The first five Federalist Papers, or at least three of those five, were basically devoted to why America should be one country.
00:45:16.000 Now, we're going to talk about
00:45:18.000 We're good to go!
00:45:36.000 That the states will be at peace without a strong central government.
00:45:39.000 There are a bunch of people who said, why do we need a strong central government?
00:45:41.000 All the states will get along.
00:45:43.000 Well, in doing so, he actually debunks a couple of very popular 20th and 21st century notions.
00:45:48.000 The idea of democratic peace theory, that democratic countries don't fight each other, and the idea that countries that do commerce don't fight each other.
00:45:54.000 So he debunks both of these, which is really interesting because I agree with Hamilton.
00:45:58.000 He says, the genius of republics
00:46:00.000 Say they, say his opponents, is pacific, meaning that they are peaceful.
00:46:03.000 The spirit of commerce has a tendency to soften the manners of men and to extinguish those inflammable humors which have so often kindled into wars.
00:46:10.000 Commercial republics like ours will never be disposed to waste themselves in ruinous contentions with each other.
00:46:15.000 Meaning, this is what they've often called the McDonald's arches theory of diplomacy, that countries that have McDonald's and free commerce are less likely to go to war with one another.
00:46:23.000 He says, they will be governed by mutual interest, will cultivate a spirit of mutual amity and concord.
00:46:27.000 But then he says, have republics in practice been less addicted to war than monarchies?
00:46:32.000 Are not the former administered by men as well as the latter?
00:46:34.000 The founders are constantly focusing in on human frailty, human weakness, and human flaw.
00:46:38.000 And that's why the Constitution is such a grand document.
00:46:41.000 He says, are there not aversions, predilections, rivalships, desires of unjust acquisitions that affect nations as well as kings?
00:46:47.000 In other words, democracy is not a cure-all for war, which is obviously true.
00:46:51.000 We've seen democracies go to war with one another.
00:46:52.000 Hitler was an elected official.
00:46:54.000 The Soviet Union originally was a popular movement.
00:46:57.000 It was a minority popular movement, but it was popular.
00:47:00.000 Most, as I've said before, virtually all fascist nations in the West started off under democratic auspices before power was either seized or democratic means were used to elevate a bad guy to power.
00:47:10.000 Sparta, Athens, Rome, Carthage were all republics, says Hamilton.
00:47:13.000 Two of them, Athens and Carthage, of the commercial kind.
00:47:16.000 Yet were they as often engaged in wars, offensive and defensive, as the neighboring monarchies of the same times?
00:47:21.000 Meaning being a commercial republic is not going to save you.
00:47:25.000 And then he says, from this summary of what has taken place in other countries, whose situations have borne the nearest resemblance to our own, what reason can we have to confide in those reveries which would seduce us into an expectation of peace and cordiality
00:47:36.000 In other words, if we don't have a strong centralized government, the states are going to be fighting each other in five seconds.
00:47:43.000 Have we not already seen enough of the fallacy and extravagance of those idle theories which have amused us with promises of an exemption from the imperfections, weaknesses and evils incident to society in every shape?
00:47:53.000 He says, there's always going to be conflict.
00:47:54.000 That's why we need to band together against all outsiders instead of banding together against each other.
00:48:00.000 He says, it's time to awake from the deceitful dream of a golden age.
00:48:03.000 I love the realism.
00:48:04.000 And to adopt as a practical Marxism for the direction of our political conduct that we, as well as the inhabitants of the globe, are yet remote from the happy empire of perfect wisdom and perfect virtue.
00:48:14.000 This is so different from how the left thinks, that human beings are capable of something great.
00:48:17.000 This is why we have to have a world government.
00:48:19.000 This is why, if every man were left to imagine, in John Lennon's style, everything would be all better.
00:48:24.000 The founders were ultimate realists, and that's why their words are still important, because while we may have different notions of how government ought to work, they were more correct than we, because our notions of human nature are worse than theirs.
00:48:34.000 Okay, so, now we have reached the end of today's show.
00:48:37.000 There will be a lot more to discuss tomorrow.
00:48:38.000 As always, I'm Ben Shapiro.
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