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00:00:00.000 ISIS's leader meets his end at the hands of the amazing American military, The Washington Post issues the world's worst headline, and Democrats seem a little nervous about the DOJ investigation into the Trump-Russia investigation.

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00:00:25.000 Well, it is wonderful, wonderful news today.

00:00:28.000 Wonderful news.

00:00:30.000 Al-Baghdadi, who is the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, is dead at the age of 48.

00:00:35.000 And he didn't die of natural causes, which is great.

00:00:38.000 I don't want him to die of natural causes.

00:00:39.000 I want him to suffer.

00:00:40.000 I wanted things to be very terrible for him.

00:00:42.000 Unfortunately, as we will see, al-Baghdadi's death brought with it the death of more innocents, because this is what terrorists do.

00:00:47.000 President Trump announced his death yesterday, on Sunday morning, and Let's just say it was an amazing moment for the Trump presidency.

00:00:55.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:02:19.000 Okay, so the killing of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is indeed a wonderful moment for the United States.

00:02:26.000 Obviously, everybody is comparing this to the killing of Osama bin Laden, including the President of the United States, President Trump.

00:02:32.000 It is similar in some ways.

00:02:33.000 It is different in some ways.

00:02:34.000 Obviously, bin Laden had taken on a certain shade in the American imagination thanks to 9-11.

00:02:40.000 That Baghdadi never did.

00:02:42.000 However, killing the leader of the global terror movement is obviously a massive, massive achievement, particularly by the American military, as well as, listen, President Trump gave the order so he gets the credit in the same way that Barack Obama gave the order about Bin Laden and he gets the credit.

00:02:54.000 Now, as we will see shortly, the media are not willing to give President Trump the credit in the same way they gave Barack Obama the credit.

00:02:59.000 We got years Of President Trump, gutsy call, gutsy call, the gutsiest gutsy call that ever happened.

00:03:05.000 And at the time, I was like, um, no, he just authorized a mission to kill the most wanted terrorist in the history of Earth.

00:03:11.000 So, not super gutsy, especially considering the circumstances surrounding it.

00:03:16.000 But, you know, listen, he got credit.

00:03:17.000 He's the president of the United States.

00:03:19.000 And then obviously he ran on that.

00:03:21.000 Joe Biden, who's now running again in 2016, Joe Biden in 2012 repeatedly went to rallies and said, Detroit is dead.

00:03:28.000 Bin Laden is dead and Detroit is alive.

00:03:29.000 That was one of their slogans, right?

00:03:30.000 Bin Laden is dead.

00:03:31.000 Detroit is alive.

00:03:33.000 As we'll see, the media, very angry at President Trump today.

00:03:35.000 Why are they very angry at President Trump?

00:03:37.000 Well, because it's President Trump.

00:03:38.000 So that means they're going to attempt to draw back on the victory, pretend that it wasn't that big a deal, suggest that, in fact, it'll be counterproductive in a variety of ways.

00:03:46.000 They're suggesting also that President Trump, his policies are undercut by the killing of Baghdadi.

00:03:52.000 They're trying to suggest, of course, that President Trump really doesn't get credit for any of this stuff.

00:03:57.000 And do we remember how honorable Barack Obama was in his announcement?

00:04:00.000 Don't you remember all of that?

00:04:02.000 And don't worry, we'll go through all of it.

00:04:04.000 Because the fact is, Trump's announcement yesterday was pretty fantastic.

00:04:07.000 And there are a lot of people who are on top of President Trump, specifically because Trump was very graphic about how al-Baghdadi was killed.

00:04:13.000 Good.

00:04:14.000 Good!

00:04:14.000 I'm glad.

00:04:15.000 You guys are a piece of crap.

00:04:16.000 Not only was he a piece of crap, People who would join the Islamic State should know that this is how they will die if they join the Islamic State, at the hands of the American military, cowering in fear and shame and pathetic, self-pitying mewling.

00:04:28.000 This is how they will go.

00:04:29.000 They will go with an American gun coming for them.

00:04:31.000 And not only that, they should know that their leadership are a bunch of cowards.

00:04:35.000 They should know that.

00:04:36.000 Because the fact is that, unfortunately, in the terror world, it is the perception of the strong horse that drives people to join terror groups.

00:04:42.000 If people think that the leadership of terror groups Are a bunch of pathetic cowards who murder innocent children, their own innocent children?

00:04:50.000 Well, maybe that would change the math a little bit.

00:04:51.000 We'll get to all that in just a second.

00:04:52.000 First, here are the actual details.

00:04:54.000 According to the UK Daily Mail, ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was killed when he detonated his suicide vest as U.S.

00:04:59.000 Army Special Ops forces closed in on his hideout in northwestern Syria.

00:05:03.000 Between 50 and 70 members of the U.S.

00:05:05.000 Army Delta Force and Rangers flew in on six helicopters and surrounded al-Baghdadi during the overnight raid on Syria's Idlib province, an official source told Fox News.

00:05:15.000 Details about the raid are still emerging as officials conduct biometric tests on evidence collected from the site.

00:05:20.000 An unverified video reportedly showed the moment al-Baghdadi was killed along with his three children because evil pieces of garbage like Baghdadi aren't gonna go into hell alone.

00:05:29.000 I mean presumably his kids will not go to hell because they were innocent in all of this but he brought them with him into this wherever he was this cave and then blew himself up along with his three young children because a piece of human feces.

00:05:40.000 President Trump held a morning press conference on Sunday and confirmed that Baghdadi quote-unquote died like a dog.

00:05:45.000 Defense Secretary Mark Esper said there were two minor injuries to U.S.

00:05:47.000 soldiers after Trump indicated that a U.S.

00:05:49.000 K-9 was injured as well.

00:05:52.000 So here is what President Trump had to say about the operation.

00:05:56.000 He was watching this from the Situation Room.

00:05:58.000 The White House did release a photo from the Situation Room, very much like the photo released of Barack Obama watching the raid on the Bin Laden compound in Pakistan when Bin Laden was killed in 2012, I believe, 2011.

00:06:09.000 In any case, here was President Trump's statement last night.

00:06:13.000 Last night, the United States brought the world's number one terrorist leader to justice.

00:06:20.000 Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is dead.

00:06:26.000 He was the founder and leader of ISIS, the most ruthless and violent terror organization anywhere in the world.

00:06:34.000 The United States has been searching for Baghdadi for many years.

00:06:40.000 Capturing or killing Baghdadi has been the top national security priority of my administration.

00:06:49.000 Special Operations Forces executed a dangerous and daring nighttime raid in northwestern Syria and accomplished Their mission in grand style.

00:06:49.000 U.S.

00:07:01.000 Okay, well, there's the president announcing what exactly happened.

00:07:04.000 The president also, of course, giving the credit to the U.S.

00:07:06.000 military, which is where the credit belongs.

00:07:08.000 He then goes on to describe exactly what happened, and a lot of people in the media are very upset that he described all of the details of the operation.

00:07:15.000 Frankly, I think it's a good thing.

00:07:16.000 I think that, again, terrorists should know that if you attack American citizens, if you fight American allies, if you forcibly convert people or behead them, The U.S.

00:07:25.000 personnel were incredible.

00:07:26.000 I got to watch much of it.

00:07:27.000 No personnel were lost in the operation.

00:07:28.000 The U.S. personnel were incredible.

00:07:41.000 I got to watch much of it.

00:07:44.000 No personnel were lost in the operation, while a large number of Baghdadi's fighters and companions were killed with him.

00:07:59.000 He died after running into a dead-end tunnel, whimpering and crying and screaming all the way.

00:08:06.000 The compound had been cleared by this time.

00:08:10.000 With people either surrendering or being shot and killed.

00:08:14.000 Good.

00:08:15.000 So there are a lot of people very upset with Trump saying this.

00:08:15.000 Good.

00:08:17.000 Oh, he was whimpering and crying.

00:08:18.000 How could Trump say this sort of thing?

00:08:20.000 Why didn't he treat him with a modicum of honor?

00:08:22.000 You remember this in the aftermath of the bin Laden killing.

00:08:24.000 There's a lot of talk about what happened to bin Laden's body and President Obama announced that it had been dropped at sea and that it had been put out at sea out of respect because he didn't want to make a martyr out of him.

00:08:33.000 Okay, this is the opposite of making a martyr out of somebody.

00:08:35.000 When you say that the person was a coward, when you say that the person was just a ridiculous wretch of a human being who was crying and screaming and mewling as he went out.

00:08:44.000 Okay, people were saying, well, this is gonna drive ISIS to new heights.

00:08:47.000 First of all, you don't need to piss off ISIS.

00:08:49.000 Okay, the fact is, ISIS, they're kind of famous for not liking Americans and Westerners.

00:08:53.000 I don't think that you need to actually push ISIS in order to attack the West.

00:08:57.000 Maybe a slight upswing in terror in the aftermath of a killing like this, that is sort of natural.

00:09:02.000 Because whenever you kill a major terror leader, then the group wants to show that it is not in fact defunct.

00:09:07.000 But it's not Trump's words that are going to do that.

00:09:09.000 It's the killing of Baghdadi that would presumably result in this kind of brief upswing in terror.

00:09:14.000 But it does great damage to take out their leader.

00:09:16.000 And yes, it does great damage also to point out that the person was a pathetic coward.

00:09:21.000 President Trump then went into even greater detail about all of this, talking about the children and what Baghdadi did at his very end.

00:09:29.000 11 young children were moved out of the house.

00:09:33.000 and are uninjured.

00:09:35.000 The only ones remaining were Baghdadi in the tunnel, and he had dragged three of his young children with him.

00:09:48.000 They were led to certain death.

00:09:51.000 He reached the end of the tunnel as our dogs chased him down.

00:09:58.000 He ignited his vest, killing himself and the three children.

00:10:04.000 His body was mutilated by the blast.

00:10:08.000 The tunnel had caved in on it in addition.

00:10:11.000 But test results gave certain immediate and totally positive identification.

00:10:19.000 It was him.

00:10:20.000 Okay, and President Trump then continued.

00:10:22.000 This was the theme, okay?

00:10:22.000 The main theme of his address was what a pathetic coward Baghdadi was.

00:10:26.000 He came back to this theme later.

00:10:27.000 He talked about Baghdadi as a sick and depraved man, which of course, he certainly, certainly was.

00:10:32.000 He was a sick and depraved man, and now he's gone.

00:10:39.000 Baghdadi was vicious, and violent and he died in a vicious and violent way as a coward running and crying good good Good.

00:10:52.000 I mean, really, good.

00:10:54.000 Let the world know that radical Islamic terrorists who purport to be the bravest among us, they purport to be just the wisest, the most holy, the bravest, just filled with courage, that when the American soldiers come for them, when the forces of the West come for them, when the forces of the United States, when America's military comes for them, that they are crying all the way.

00:11:15.000 Good.

00:11:16.000 I mean, Frank, I think it's a great thing.

00:11:18.000 I think what Trump said here is fantastic.

00:11:20.000 Not only do I have no qualms about it, I am cheering when President Trump says all of this.

00:11:25.000 Now, President Trump then makes the only reference, really, that he makes to his leadership in all of this, in this clip.

00:11:32.000 He talks about how Baghdadi was on the run for many years, long before he took office.

00:11:35.000 Here's what it sounds like.

00:11:36.000 Baghdadi has been on the run for many years, long before I took office.

00:11:44.000 But in my direction, as Commander-in-Chief of the United States, we obliterated his caliphate 100 percent in March of this year.

00:11:57.000 Today's events are another reminder that we will continue to pursue the remaining ISIS terrorists to their brutal end.

00:12:08.000 That also goes for other terrorist organizations.

00:12:13.000 They are likewise in our sights.

00:12:16.000 President Trump then went on to thank Russia, Turkey, Syria, and Iraq, all the involved nations.

00:12:20.000 And he said he wanted to thank the Syrian Kurds for the support they were able to give us.

00:12:24.000 And he said thank you to intelligence professionals.

00:12:27.000 And he concluded by saying that last night was a great night for the United States and for the world.

00:12:32.000 Here's what President Trump had to say.

00:12:33.000 Last night was a great night for the United States and for the world.

00:12:39.000 A brutal killer One who has caused so much hardship and death has violently been eliminated.

00:12:49.000 He will never again harm another innocent man, woman, or child.

00:12:55.000 He died like a dog.

00:12:57.000 He died like a coward.

00:12:59.000 The world is now a much safer place.

00:13:04.000 God bless America.

00:13:06.000 Good, good, good, good, good.

00:13:08.000 And everybody, you'll see, people on the left, how could he say he died like a dog?

00:13:11.000 He keeps saying, like a dog, right?

00:13:12.000 This is one of Trump's favorite phrases, like a dog.

00:13:14.000 If you're gonna say somebody died like a dog, okay, which is a very, very old phrase in the United States, well, then this would seem to be an appropriate instance of using that.

00:13:22.000 Like, there are many times when he has said, like a dog, where I'm like, not sure it's like a dog.

00:13:26.000 In this particular case, I'm with it, man.

00:13:29.000 I'm all in.

00:13:30.000 Good is a person who not only deserved to die, the person deserved to die in the worst possible way.

00:13:35.000 This person was a piece of debris.

00:13:37.000 This person was a speck on the shoe of humanity.

00:13:40.000 And President Trump deriding him after his death is more than well-deserved.

00:13:45.000 It is more than well-deserved.

00:13:46.000 Okay, in just a second, we're going to get to the press's reaction to this.

00:13:49.000 Suffice it to say, they are less enthused than I am overall about the death of Baghdadi.

00:13:54.000 They're downplaying it.

00:13:55.000 They're saying that Trump really wasn't responsible for it.

00:13:58.000 And we'll contrast that with what they had to say about Osama bin Laden because it is Pretty telling about the journalism-ing of the mainstream media.

00:14:05.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:15:15.000 Okay, so.

00:15:17.000 The media quickly responded to all of this.

00:15:19.000 I'm just going to read you some of the headlines from various media outlets.

00:15:22.000 Now, the worst headline of all was the Washington Post headline.

00:15:27.000 Okay, the Washington Post headline is just unbelievable.

00:15:30.000 It was a ridiculous joke.

00:15:31.000 So the original headline was, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Islamic State's terrorist-in-chief, dies at 48.

00:15:36.000 Then, They changed it.

00:15:39.000 And their headline was, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, austere religious scholar at helm of Islamic State, dies at 48.

00:15:47.000 Because that's what he was known for, was being an austere religious scholar.

00:15:50.000 Like, if you were going to think of the Washington Post describing austere religious scholars, it sort of goes like this, Augustine, Aquinas, Maimonides, Luther, Calvin, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi?

00:16:06.000 What?

00:16:06.000 So this sent off an entire hashtag trending on Twitter, the Washington Post Death Notices.

00:16:13.000 And they were indeed hilarious and well-deserved, because the fact is, what the actual, what the actual hell is this headline?

00:16:19.000 Like, really, what in the world is this headline?

00:16:22.000 It's an insane, insane headline.

00:16:26.000 My own riff on this was, Charles Manson, famous songwriter and meditation leader.

00:16:29.000 It's edit 83.

00:16:32.000 Like, it's absurd.

00:16:34.000 It's absurd.

00:16:34.000 And the fact that, so the Washington Post came out and they said, we apologize that it was read this way.

00:16:39.000 Oh, do you?

00:16:40.000 Or you could have, you know, not printed a garbage headline like that, because it's a really, really bad headline.

00:16:46.000 So much journalisming happening right there.

00:16:48.000 Endless levels of journalism.

00:16:50.000 Voldemort, austere wizard who overcame a severe facial deformity to achieve dark lordship, dead at 71.

00:16:56.000 Washington Post death notices.

00:16:59.000 Robby Suave from Reason said, Ramsey Bolton, austere diplomat and animal caretaker, passes away at home surrounded by his dogs.

00:17:07.000 Washington Post death notices.

00:17:10.000 Like, come on!

00:17:12.000 Come on!

00:17:13.000 But it wasn't just that Washington Post headline.

00:17:15.000 Okay, Bloomberg Politics ran this headline.

00:17:16.000 You ready?

00:17:17.000 Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi transformed himself It's one of those stories.

00:17:21.000 known teacher of Quranic recitation into the self-proclaimed ruler of an entity that covered swaths of Syria and Iraq.

00:17:27.000 It's really a do-it-yourself story, you know, like an up from your bootstraps, rags to riches, rags to chopping people's heads off and forcibly raping people story.

00:17:34.000 It's one of those stories.

00:17:36.000 Like, you know, a real story of triumph over obstacles.

00:17:39.000 I can't wait for Bloomberg politics's retrospective headline, Nazi leader Adolf Hitler transformed himself from a little known itinerant landscape painter into the self-proclaimed ruler of an entity that covered all of continental Europe.

00:17:51.000 Just Well done, Bloomberg Politics.

00:17:57.000 Who is like, you know what?

00:17:58.000 These are good headlines.

00:17:58.000 Let's do this.

00:17:59.000 These are obviously outliers when it comes to the headlines.

00:18:02.000 Most of the headlines are not nearly as bad as this, but it does show the willingness of many in the mainstream media, or some in the mainstream media, to cover for some of the world's worst people.

00:18:09.000 And you do see this on a fairly regular basis when it comes to obituaries for foreign leaders who die.

00:18:14.000 It can be an awful, awful person, and the obituary will just be about how they're really great with their dogs and they're really into gardening.

00:18:22.000 And then when it's like an American politician, then it's like, well, this was a shaded character we really have to look into.

00:18:27.000 Somehow, you'll end up with Mal and Ronald Reagan in the same basket from obit writers in the mainstream media sometimes.

00:18:33.000 That's a bit of an exaggeration, but not much of one.

00:18:35.000 Okay, but here are the more mainstream headlines, and you can see what the media are trying to do here.

00:18:39.000 Now remember, The coverage when Barack Obama ordered the mission that ended in the death of Osama bin Laden was universally glowing.

00:18:46.000 Universally glowing, right?

00:18:47.000 The hashtag gutsy call trended.

00:18:49.000 So it wasn't about the amazing, amazing U.S.

00:18:52.000 military and what they did in that bin Laden raid, right?

00:18:54.000 This one is... Here's my view when it comes to these sorts of killings.

00:18:58.000 I really do believe that it's more about the unbelievable, incredible level of skill and precision and morality of the American military than it is about the Commander-in-Chief at any time that one of these things happens.

00:19:09.000 Because it seems to me that one of the easiest jobs as Commander-in-Chief is to say, look, there's the world's leading terrorist.

00:19:14.000 Go kill him.

00:19:16.000 That seems like a fairly easy job.

00:19:17.000 And as far as the idea that, you know, if the mission goes wrong, the president pays the price for all of that.

00:19:21.000 That's true, but the president pays the price for everything that goes wrong.

00:19:24.000 How many opportunities does the president have to take out Osama Bin Laden or Abu Bakr or al-Baghdadi?

00:19:29.000 That's not to diminish.

00:19:30.000 The presidential level of risk that is taken when you order one of these operations.

00:19:34.000 But if I'm going to lay credit anywhere, it's at the feet of the people who actually go in and double-tap Bin Laden.

00:19:39.000 It's going to be at the feet of the people who actually chase Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi into a cave in the middle of a firefight and watch as he blows himself sky-high.

00:19:47.000 Those are the people who really, to me, deserve nearly all of the credit.

00:19:50.000 They have bravery I don't.

00:19:51.000 They have bravery that the presidents don't.

00:19:52.000 I mean, they're the ones who are in the line of fire.

00:19:55.000 And it always sort of annoyed me when the media covered the Obama Bin Laden thing, as though Obama had rappelled down the side of a helicopter, personally gone in there and blown away Bin Laden.

00:20:08.000 It always annoyed me.

00:20:08.000 So I'm not really fond of that sort of coverage on either side when it comes to any president.

00:20:12.000 With that said, if you're going to give that coverage to Obama, you certainly have to give that sort of coverage to Trump.

00:20:16.000 But that is not what the media are doing.

00:20:18.000 Today, the media have all sorts of qualms.

00:20:20.000 Amazing!

00:20:21.000 Who could have predicted?

00:20:22.000 They have all sorts of qualms about Trump's announcement.

00:20:24.000 They have qualms about the operation.

00:20:26.000 They have qualms about the fact that Trump gave a shout out to Russia and to the Turks and to the Syrian Kurds.

00:20:32.000 They have all sorts of issues today.

00:20:34.000 Issues they never had with the killing of Osama Bin Laden.

00:20:38.000 That was an unmitigated win for the United States that ended the threat of Al Qaeda, according to many in the media.

00:20:44.000 It was all about President Obama making the strong, gutsy, incredible, again, hashtag gutsy call trended for like a week.

00:20:51.000 For like a week!

00:20:52.000 And to pretend that the Obama campaign in 2012 did not take advantage of that is to ignore history.

00:20:58.000 It was literally their campaign slogan.

00:20:59.000 Their campaign slogan was, Detroit is alive and Bin Laden is dead.

00:21:02.000 It was repeated at nearly every rally for a year.

00:21:05.000 So as you'll see, the media are very angry at Trump because they say, Trump's making political hay out of this.

00:21:10.000 Yes, he's the president.

00:21:11.000 So did Barack Obama.

00:21:13.000 You mean he's going to make hay out of a massive foreign policy win, the killing of the leading terrorists on Earth?

00:21:19.000 No!

00:21:20.000 No, you don't say!

00:21:21.000 But suddenly the media are very, very upset about all this.

00:21:24.000 Now, I'm just going to read you the headlines from the New York Times and the Washington Post today.

00:21:28.000 So, the chief headline is, Leader of Islamic State Dies in Commando Raid, U.S.

00:21:32.000 Says.

00:21:34.000 That's not a terrible headline.

00:21:34.000 I mean, normally you'd want it to be a little bit more active than that.

00:21:37.000 Meaning, you know, U.S.

00:21:41.000 raids, ISIS compound leader kills self.

00:21:44.000 But in any case, it's not a bad headline.

00:21:45.000 It's true.

00:21:46.000 Okay, then we get to the other headlines.

00:21:49.000 And they are all editorial.

00:21:50.000 They are all editorial.

00:21:52.000 Okay.

00:21:53.000 Trump knew of plans for the raid when he pulled troops from Syria.

00:21:56.000 The president's abrupt truth withdrawal complicated the Pentagon's plans, forcing it to accelerate the risky operation, military officials said.

00:22:02.000 So in other words, the only reason this operation happened is because of Trump's screwed up Syria policy.

00:22:07.000 Otherwise, we could have waited.

00:22:08.000 It would have been safer.

00:22:09.000 Now, I don't remember people saying that Barack Obama's troop drawdown in Afghanistan and botchery of a foreign policy made our mission in Pakistan more difficult.

00:22:18.000 I don't remember that in the aftermath.

00:22:19.000 Maybe I'm forgetting, but I don't remember that sort of headline from the New York Times.

00:22:22.000 This is all the New York Times.

00:22:23.000 The day after the killing of bin Laden.

00:22:26.000 Then there's Trump herald success of mission seeking al-Baghdadi.

00:22:29.000 And then it says, Though Mr. al-Baghdadi never loomed in the American psyche like Osama bin Laden, he proved to be a tenacious and dangerous enemy to the United States and its allies.

00:22:38.000 So immediately they're making that comparison to bin Laden, of course.

00:22:41.000 Then they say the raid was a victory built on factors Trump derides.

00:22:45.000 Ah, you see, Trump really shouldn't be able to take any credit for the victory because Trump doesn't like any of the things that led to the victory.

00:22:51.000 You see, they say the president cast the successful mission as validation of his disengagement strategy, but it required intelligence agencies and allies he has spurned.

00:22:59.000 So in other words, because Trump doesn't trust the intelligence agencies, that means that he doesn't get credit when the intelligence agencies provide him information.

00:23:07.000 Okay, Barack Obama made it his mission in life to slash the American military to the bone.

00:23:12.000 Did that mean he didn't get credit for the bin Laden kill?

00:23:15.000 He literally forced sequestration, half the cuts to come from the military.

00:23:19.000 There has not been a president in my lifetime who hated the American military and its growth the way that Barack Obama did.

00:23:24.000 I mean, he really didn't like the American military on a sort of gut level.

00:23:28.000 I mean, he was constantly talking.

00:23:29.000 I mean, going way back in his career, early in his campaign in 2008, he talked about American policy in Afghanistan, aerating villages and killing children.

00:23:39.000 But that didn't take away from the bin Laden kill.

00:23:40.000 The bin Laden kill was still the bin Laden kill.

00:23:42.000 But here, those are all the New York Times headlines.

00:23:44.000 Then you get Thomas Friedman's column, al-Baghdadi is dead.

00:23:47.000 The story doesn't end here.

00:23:48.000 President Trump boasts of defeating the Islamic State.

00:23:50.000 He's only showing how ignorant he is.

00:23:52.000 Jessica Stern, the world is fighting more than ISIS.

00:23:56.000 So, there is precisely one positive headline about the killing of the leader of ISIS, and it is the lead headline, and all the rest of them are about the various shortcomings of Trump administration policy.

00:24:06.000 Now, as we will see, this is not uncommon.

00:24:09.000 The Washington Post does the exact same thing today.

00:24:11.000 So, this is really a great exercise in spotting media bias.

00:24:14.000 If you can't see it, it's because you wish to blind yourself to the media bias.

00:24:17.000 Remember, it was all hashtag gutsy call when it was Barack Obama, now that it's Trump.

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00:25:47.000 Okay, so those are the New York Times headlines.

00:25:49.000 The Washington Post headlines are similarly skeptical.

00:25:52.000 Similarly skeptical.

00:25:53.000 So the headline in the Washington Post is, Trump says Islamic State leader Baghdadi blew himself up as U.S.

00:26:01.000 troops closed in.

00:26:02.000 And then it says, some analysts question U.S.

00:26:04.000 ability to prevent ISIS resurgence.

00:26:07.000 Oh, so you mean you're gonna ask like bigger questions than just Baghdadi's dead, so that doesn't end it?

00:26:11.000 Okay, literally the Obama campaign was run on the premise that Al Qaeda was basically defeated and that ISIS was the JV team in 2012.

00:26:20.000 It was run on this premise.

00:26:21.000 And the media didn't have any serious questions about any of that.

00:26:24.000 There were some of us who were pointing out that killing bin Laden didn't actually end the terror threat from Al-Qaeda.

00:26:29.000 But, it was a big win, obviously.

00:26:32.000 The fact is, the Washington Post had none of those questions.

00:26:35.000 I think it's an okay question, honestly.

00:26:36.000 Like, okay, you killed the leader of ISIS, does that end it?

00:26:38.000 That's a fine question, but the Washington Post, I do not remember any of these places running headlines the day after the bin Laden kill, going, well, you know, that didn't defeat Al-Qaeda, did it?

00:26:47.000 That didn't defeat Al-Qaeda.

00:26:49.000 And then it says, in creating spectacle around Baghdadi's death, Trump departs from Obama's more measured tone on Bin Laden.

00:26:57.000 That's the headline, right?

00:26:59.000 Trump departs from Obama.

00:27:00.000 Obama was so measured about bin Laden.

00:27:02.000 He was so even keel about bin Laden in creating spectacle around Baghdadi because we know Obama never created spectacle about bin Laden's death.

00:27:10.000 No spectacle at all.

00:27:11.000 I mean, aside from every campaign rally for the next year and a half, no spectacle, none.

00:27:16.000 And what I most remember about the bin Laden speech, Obama's announcement of the bin Laden speech, what I really do remember is how self-effacing Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to Bin Laden.

00:27:28.000 What I remember him doing is basically getting up there and suggesting over and over and over that he deserved full credit for the bin Laden kill because it was really, really kind of about him.

00:27:37.000 Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden.

00:27:46.000 It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground.

00:27:52.000 I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside Pakistan.

00:28:02.000 So, And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.

00:28:15.000 Today, at my direction, The United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

00:28:23.000 Hey, you hear Obama in that clip?

00:28:25.000 A lot of me there, right?

00:28:27.000 A lot of Obama.

00:28:27.000 You might say that he was creating a spectacle around bin Laden's death.

00:28:32.000 You might say that.

00:28:33.000 You might say that Barack, listen, that's his prerogative.

00:28:36.000 He was the president when bin Laden was killed.

00:28:39.000 But let's be straight about this.

00:28:40.000 Barack Obama was not shy, exactly, about the killing of Osama bin Laden.

00:28:44.000 He wasn't shy and retiring.

00:28:46.000 And by the way, I'm old enough to remember also that for all the talk about Barack Obama's gutsy call, there were multiple reports that Barack Obama canceled the operation to kill bin Laden on three separate occasions before finally approving the May 2nd, 2011 Navy SEAL mission.

00:29:03.000 And there's a book by Richard Miniter writing that Obama canceled the mission in January 2011, again in February, a third time in March.

00:29:09.000 And then there were reports that he had been asked on like a Thursday to approve the raid, and then he waited for days on end to approve the raid.

00:29:18.000 So, you know, all the talk about the gutsy call, but the media didn't have any of those questions.

00:29:21.000 It was a gutsy call.

00:29:23.000 And by the way, he did deserve the credit.

00:29:23.000 He got the credit.

00:29:25.000 He finally made the right call.

00:29:26.000 He finally made the right call, so he gets the credit.

00:29:28.000 But I'm just going to point out that the media had none of these questions about any of this stuff.

00:29:32.000 The skeptical treatment of the Baghdadi death by the people on the left.

00:29:36.000 All of them are like, yeah, we're all celebrating today, but it contrasts very strongly with the Bin Laden's dead.

00:29:42.000 It's all about, look, it justifies his entire foreign policy.

00:29:46.000 Did anybody worry, like James Clapper, who was the head of Obama's, he was director of national intelligence, James Clapper.

00:29:54.000 He was worrying over the weekend that Baghdadi's death could actually galvanize ISIS.

00:29:59.000 Just, I'm wondering, when he was serving in the Obama administration, did he have those same worries when bin Laden was killed?

00:30:04.000 A huge symbolic meaning for taking out Baghdadi, who has been a target for some time.

00:30:16.000 I think what's going to be interesting is...

00:30:18.000 To the extent to which this negatively affects ISIS, or does it galvanize ISIS, the remnants of ISIS, which still survives as an ideology and has franchises in other places besides Syria?

00:30:34.000 So probably we shouldn't have killed him.

00:30:35.000 Probably we shouldn't have killed him.

00:30:36.000 You know, it might galvanize ISIS other places.

00:30:37.000 Probably we should have let him just, like, keep living over there and everything would have been okay.

00:30:41.000 Ambassador Dana Smith, who was the Obama ambassador to Qatar, She had a long thread talking about how terrible it was that Trump used this sort of language to describe the death of Baghdadi.

00:30:59.000 She said, When bin Laden was killed, we were careful to be clear he had been given a proper Muslim burial, not because we gave a damn about him, but because it was important for our relationships in the region and safety.

00:31:09.000 Also, it's how America rules with honor.

00:31:10.000 We don't delight in death like the terrorists do.

00:31:12.000 This description is horrifying.

00:31:14.000 Should go without saying, but to be perfectly clear, I'm remarking on the presser, not on the actual operation.

00:31:18.000 The killing of Baghdadi was unquestionably good and necessary.

00:31:20.000 Okay, but what evidence do we have that people stop, like, that the terrorists stop hating us if we treat their dead with innate levels of tremendous respect?

00:31:31.000 By the way, Trump isn't talking about, like, Marines going and pissing on his remains or something.

00:31:35.000 He's talking about what this guy did.

00:31:37.000 It isn't about how Americans treated his remains.

00:31:40.000 It wasn't about us defacing his remains.

00:31:41.000 He's talking about this guy's end.

00:31:42.000 He's talking about this person was a coward and you shouldn't follow cowards.

00:31:46.000 If you read the writings of Osama Bin Laden, so much of his writing is about how the United States is a weak horse.

00:31:51.000 He kept using that phrase, a weak horse.

00:31:52.000 The United States was a paper tiger.

00:31:55.000 The United States didn't have strong leadership like he was.

00:31:57.000 They weren't brave.

00:32:00.000 One of the key tactics that is used by terrorists is calling their opponents cowards and portraying themselves as puffed up and brave.

00:32:06.000 And so pointing out to would-be followers that no, actually your leader is a guy who like blows himself up in a tunnel with little kids because he's pathetic.

00:32:13.000 That's not a bad thing.

00:32:14.000 That's not a bad thing.

00:32:16.000 Now, you've also seen members of the political class immediately swiveling back to critiquing Trump's foreign policy generally.

00:32:23.000 You can't just give him the win.

00:32:24.000 You have to then swivel back to his foreign policy generally, which again, I'm kind of okay with on a political level, but I'm just going to point out that Democrats were not doing this when it was Barack Obama.

00:32:34.000 When Barack Obama was busily withdrawing American troops from Iraq and leading to the rise of ISIS at the exact same time that bin Laden was killed, No comment like that from Nancy Pelosi.

00:32:42.000 So Nancy Pelosi put out a statement saying, Okay, all of that may be true.

00:32:45.000 is significant, but the death of this ISIS leader does not mean the death of ISIS.

00:32:48.000 Scores of ISIS fighters remain under uncertain conditions in Syrian prisons.

00:32:52.000 Countless others in the region and around the world remain intent on spreading their influence and committing acts of terror.

00:32:56.000 Okay, all of that may be true.

00:32:59.000 I kind of, I agree with the assessment, but there is something deeply ironic about the Democrats swiveling from the kill of a major terrorist leader over to, well, President Trump's generalized foreign policy is bad because they were not willing, I remember this, I remember it vividly.

00:33:16.000 When Republicans said the same thing about bin Laden in 2011, it was, oh, well, it's just because you can't appreciate the genius of Obama.

00:33:22.000 It's because you don't like Obama.

00:33:23.000 You just can't give him the win.

00:33:24.000 Why can't you just give him the win?

00:33:26.000 Okay, well, why can't you guys just give him the win?

00:33:27.000 Alright, fine.

00:33:28.000 If that's the way this game is played, then why can't you just give President Trump the win?

00:33:32.000 And we're gonna give you some more details of the actual raid.

00:33:35.000 There's a pretty good report in the New York Times by Eric Schmidt, Helene Cooper, and Julian Barnes talking about how exactly this whole thing went down.

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00:34:58.000 Okay, in just one second, we'll give you some more details on the actual raid on the Baghdadi compounds and the death of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, which again is a major win for the United States.

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00:35:57.000 OK, according to The New York Times, President Trump knew the CIA and special operations commandos were zeroing in on the location for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the Islamic State leader, when he ordered American troops to withdraw from northern Syria earlier this when he ordered American troops to withdraw from northern Syria earlier For months, intelligence officials had kept Trump apprised of what he had set as a top priority, the hunt for Mr. al-Baghdadi, the world's most wanted terrorist.

00:36:23.000 Apparently, Pentagon officials had to speed up their plan for the risky night raid before their ability to control troops, spies, and reconnaissance aircraft disappeared with the pullout.

00:36:31.000 So the Syrian pullout meant that we had to speed up the timetable, which means, again, the American military are unbelievable at what they do.

00:36:38.000 I mean, just the greatest in world history at what they do.

00:36:42.000 More than a half dozen Pentagon military intelligence and counterterrorism officials provided a chronology of the raid.

00:36:48.000 The planning for the raid began this past summer when the CIA first got surprising information about al-Baghdadi's general location in a village deep inside a part of northwestern Syria controlled by rival al-Qaeda groups.

00:36:59.000 The information came after the arrest and interrogation of one of Mr. al-Baghdadi's wives and a courier to American officials said.

00:37:05.000 Armed with that initial tip, the CIA worked closely with Iraqi and Kurdish intelligence officials in Iraq and Syria to identify more precisely al-Baghdadi's whereabouts and to put spies in place to monitor his periodic movements.

00:37:16.000 American officials said the Kurds continued to provide information to the CIA on al-Baghdadi's location even after Trump's decision to withdraw American troops left the Syrian Kurds to confront the Turkish offensive alone.

00:37:27.000 The Syrian and Iraqi Kurds, according to one official, provided more intelligence for the raid than any other single country.

00:37:32.000 According to a Syrian engineer who spoke with villagers living near the raid site, al-Baghdadi had sought shelter in the home of Abu Muhammad Salama, a commander of another extremist group, Huras al-Din.

00:37:42.000 The commander's fate in that raid and the precise nature of his relationship to al-Baghdadi are not clear.

00:37:46.000 As the Army's elite Delta Force commando unit began drawing up and rehearsing plans to conduct the mission to kill or capture the ISIS leader, they knew they faced formidable hurdles.

00:37:55.000 The location was deep inside territory controlled by Al Qaeda.

00:37:57.000 The skies over that part of the country were controlled by Syria and Russia.

00:38:01.000 The military called off missions at least twice at the last minute.

00:38:04.000 The final planning for the raid came together over two to three days last week.

00:38:07.000 A senior administration official said al-Baghdadi was about to move, and military officials sped up their timeline.

00:38:13.000 They said if Baghdadi moved again, it would be harder to track him down with the American military pulling out.

00:38:19.000 By Thursday and then Friday, Defense Secretary Mark Esper said on ABC's This Week that Trump, quote, gave us the green light to proceed.

00:38:26.000 Around midnight on Sunday morning in the region, 5 p.m.

00:38:28.000 Saturday in Washington, eight American helicopters, primarily CH-47 Chinooks, took off from the military base near Erbil in Iraq.

00:38:35.000 Flying low and fast to avoid detection, the helicopters quickly crossed the Syrian border and then flew all the way across Syria itself, a dangerous 70-minute flight in which the helicopters took sporadic ground fire to the Berisha area just north of Idlib city in western Syria.

00:38:49.000 Just before landing, the helicopters and other warplanes began firing on a compound of buildings, providing cover for commandos with the Delta Force and their military dogs to descend into a landing zone.

00:38:58.000 Trump said with helicopter gunships firing from above, the commandos bypassed the front door, fearing a booby trap, before destroying one of the compound's walls.

00:39:05.000 They then rushed through and confronted a group of ISIS fighters.

00:39:08.000 Apparently this was all being piped into the White House Situation Room from surveillance aircraft orbiting over the battlefield.

00:39:15.000 Delta Force commandos under fire entered the compound.

00:39:17.000 They shot and killed a number of people.

00:39:19.000 As the Delta Force team breached the wall with explosives, an Arabic linguist advised children and other non-combatants to flee, because America is phenomenal.

00:39:26.000 A decision commanders credited with saving 11 of the children al-Baghdadi had in his compound.

00:39:31.000 Al-Baghdadi then ran into an underground tunnel with the American commandos in pursuit.

00:39:36.000 Trump said that the ISIS leader took three children with him, presumably to use as human shield, because this is what terrorists do.

00:39:40.000 This is why whenever you hear about the United States negotiating with the Taliban, or Israel negotiating with Hezbollah or Hamas or the Palestinian Authority or Islamic Jihad, Remember that al-Baghdadi is fairly typical of terrorists, a person who uses human shields this way, including children.

00:39:56.000 Fearing that al-Baghdadi was wearing a suicide vest, the commandos dispatched a military dog to subdue al-Baghdadi.

00:40:02.000 And then he set off the explosives, did Baghdadi setting and killing the three children.

00:40:07.000 Esper said he's in a compound, that's right, with a few other men and women with him, a large number of children.

00:40:11.000 Our special operators have tactics and techniques and procedures that try to go through and call them out.

00:40:15.000 At the end of the day, as the president said, he decided to kill himself and took some small children with him, I believe.

00:40:22.000 Mr. Esper did not say that they didn't repeat the whimpering and crying assertion made by Trump.

00:40:27.000 He said the president probably had the opportunity to talk to the commanders on the ground.

00:40:30.000 So, you know, we'll see if that bears out or if that is Trump getting poetic.

00:40:34.000 At 7.15 Washington time on Saturday, the special ops commander on the ground reported al-Baghdadi had been killed.

00:40:39.000 Five other enemy combatants were killed in the compound and additional enemies were killed in the vicinity.

00:40:44.000 The American military dog was wounded in al-Baghdadi's suicide vest explosion and was taken away.

00:40:48.000 By the way, I'm not a dog fan.

00:40:50.000 I will adopt that dog in one heartbeat.

00:40:52.000 I mean, come on.

00:40:54.000 That is an amazing dog right there.

00:40:56.000 After the raid, the commandos removed the 11 children from the site and handed them over to a woman in the area.

00:41:00.000 The military then ordered the destruction of the site to ensure it would not in the future become a shrine to ISIS.

00:41:05.000 All together, American troops were on the ground in the compound for about two hours.

00:41:10.000 Also, we scooped up DNA from the ISIS leader, and they made a quick assessment that they had the right man.

00:41:16.000 And then, after Americans piled back into the helicopters and started returning to Iraq, American warplanes bombed the compound to ensure that it was physically destroyed.

00:41:25.000 Which, the utter badassery of the American military is just spectacular.

00:41:29.000 It is just absolutely incredible and spectacular, and Freedom has no better friend and journey, no worse enemy than the American military.

00:41:39.000 I mean, do not afflict the American military, is the end of that particular story.

00:41:45.000 Wow, wow, wow.

00:41:46.000 Okay, meanwhile.

00:41:48.000 Over the weekend, there was some talk about impeachment in 2019, but a lot of the talk actually was about this other investigation that is going on.

00:41:55.000 Late in the week it broke that the Trump DOJ was opening a criminal investigation, apparently, into Trump-Russia investigation itself, into the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation, trying to figure out how it was that all of this bad information profused The American intelligence services, how the American intelligence services use that information.

00:42:13.000 Did they violate the law in the use of that information to go after members of the Trump campaign?

00:42:18.000 And you can see Democrats are pretty nervous about all of this stuff.

00:42:20.000 Democrats are immediately trying to delegitimize the investigation.

00:42:23.000 Now, again, it's funny.

00:42:24.000 The media and Democrats will get very angry when Trump delegitimizes the impeachment inquiry or delegitimizes the Mueller report.

00:42:31.000 But when it comes to John Durham, who is the lawyer who's in charge of this particular investigation and has a very, very serious reputation, when it comes to John Durham leading this investigation, then they have no problem downplaying the veracity of the investigation.

00:42:44.000 Adam Schiff, who wants to investigate The president up to and including his colonic movements.

00:42:51.000 Adam Schiff suddenly has a real problem when it comes to this investigation.

00:42:55.000 He says you can assign good people and it's still an illegitimate investigation.

00:42:59.000 But look, you can assign good people... Would you accept the results of such an investigation?

00:43:02.000 Well, as we say, you can assign good people to do an illegitimate investigation.

00:43:06.000 You can assign good people to investigate the president's political rivals.

00:43:10.000 It doesn't mean that the investigation is any less tainted.

00:43:13.000 This is tainted because of the motivation, which is a political one, to serve the president's political interests.

00:43:19.000 Oh, you see, it's a political investigation when it's John Durham, who is not really a political figure, carrying it out because Adam Schiff doesn't like any of this, right?

00:43:26.000 And James Comey is doing the same thing, right?

00:43:28.000 James Comey, who presumably will come up in this investigation, he was fired at the behest of President Trump because he refused to say publicly that Trump was not under investigation by the intelligence services.

00:43:38.000 James Comey, over the weekend, he said, you know, I think this John Durham guy, he might be damaged.

00:43:42.000 I'm just concerned for John Durham's reputation, you know?

00:43:44.000 It's not that I have any personal stake in this.

00:43:46.000 I'm not worried about the investigation at all, but I think Durham might be damaged.

00:43:50.000 I'm worried about his rap guys.

00:43:51.000 That's really the issue here.

00:43:52.000 John Durham is someone who has a strong professional reputation, someone I've for years thought was an excellent prosecutor.

00:44:00.000 I can't tell what's going on with the attorney general.

00:44:03.000 I would hope that Mr. Durham will do everything possible to protect his reputation from being damaged by those in leadership.

00:44:12.000 That was Comey at Politicon.

00:44:14.000 Schiff, by the way, came out and ripped Bill Barr for weaponizing the Justice Department.

00:44:18.000 Here's what that sounded like.

00:44:19.000 Bill Barr's Justice Department is doing a criminal investigation of people who properly looked into Russian interference in our election in the FBI or in the intelligence agencies.

00:44:31.000 It means that Bill Barr, on the president's behalf, is weaponizing the Justice Department to go after the president's enemies.

00:44:38.000 I've served for years, I don't anymore, on a commission that would help emerging democracies.

00:44:43.000 And we would always inform the parliamentarians of these democracies, when you win an election, you don't seek to just prosecute the losing side.

00:44:50.000 But this is what Bill Barr is seeking to do.

00:44:53.000 He is demonstrating, once again, that he is merely a tool of the president, the president's hand.

00:44:59.000 You can tell that Schiff, Comey, people are a little nervous on the left side of the ballot as to what exactly this investigation is going to come up with.

00:45:05.000 What exactly are we going to find at the root of the Trump-Russia investigation?

00:45:09.000 Who was coordinating with whom?

00:45:10.000 And was this thing conducted in both good faith and without violation of law?

00:45:15.000 Jonathan Swan, a reporter from Axios, a very good reporter, he pointed out, John Durham has a very serious reputation.

00:45:20.000 This is not a guy who's going to put his career on the line for what he feels to be a bad investigation from the very beginning, a politically motivated investigation.

00:45:26.000 Here's Swan reporting.

00:45:28.000 John Durham has a very serious reputation and I don't think that at this point that decision that he thinks that we've reached a threshold that we can open a criminal investigation.

00:45:38.000 My guess based on his reputation is that was based on facts.

00:45:42.000 We don't know what that criminal aspect is.

00:45:44.000 It could be a leak investigation.

00:45:45.000 It could be something to do with classified information.

00:45:47.000 We saw a lot...

00:45:48.000 Okay, so again, Swan is correct.

00:45:51.000 This is a serious investigation.

00:45:52.000 I think Democrats are a little bit worried about it.

00:45:54.000 Meanwhile, the media continue to run with impeachment in 2019.

00:45:57.000 The latest breaking news in that story is that apparently Apparently, Sunlin, Gordon Sunlin, the U.S.

00:46:06.000 Ambassador to the EU, apparently told House committees that he believed that Ukraine agreed to open investigation into Burisma Group and into alleged 2016 election interference was a condition for a White House meeting between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, according to Sunlin's lawyer.

00:46:20.000 Now, that is different from what Sunlin had said in his text messages.

00:46:24.000 With Bill Taylor, who was the highest ranking American official in Ukraine.

00:46:28.000 In those text messages, Taylor had said, this feels like a quid pro quo.

00:46:31.000 And someone said, no, no, no, this is no quid pro quo.

00:46:33.000 But the question is not really whether it's a quid pro quo.

00:46:36.000 The question is whether it is an illicit quid pro quo.

00:46:38.000 And I laid out that entire theory of the case, whether the quid pro quo itself was illicit.

00:46:42.000 What exactly was Trump requesting?

00:46:43.000 Was he Trying to investigate the miasma of Ukrainian corruption that he was very upset about because of 2016?

00:46:49.000 Or was it more about getting Joe Biden and trying to push the Ukrainian government into investigating an American citizen?

00:46:54.000 Is that really what was at the crux of all of this?

00:46:56.000 I tend to believe not.

00:46:57.000 I tend to believe the first story.

00:46:59.000 But the media are jumping all over this.

00:47:00.000 The White House has taken the bizarre line That there was no quid pro quo at all, which is a line I don't think is really effective at this point.

00:47:07.000 Very early on in this investigation, I said it's not clear there was a quid pro quo, specifically because there were multiple reports that Ukraine didn't even know it had been deprived of military aid.

00:47:16.000 Then as time went on, it became clearer that Ukraine knew that it had been deprived of military aid, and also it became clear that they wanted a meeting with President Trump that they weren't getting.

00:47:24.000 Yes, there was a quid pro quo.

00:47:25.000 The question is, again, whether it was an illicit quid pro quo.

00:47:29.000 John Kelly, who's the former White House Chief of Staff, he did an interview at the Sea Island Summit political conference hosted by the Washington Examiner over the weekend, and he said, listen, I warned Trump that he might be impeached if there weren't advisors there to stop him from making mistakes like this.

00:47:45.000 Whatever you do, don't hire a yes man, someone that's going to tell you, won't tell you the truth.

00:47:53.000 Don't do that.

00:47:54.000 Because if you do, I believe you'll be impeached.

00:47:58.000 OK, and the thing that Kelly is saying there is not that he believes that President Trump is constantly violating the law.

00:48:05.000 He believes that he needs people around him to inform him where the legal limits are when something is a good idea, when something is a bad idea.

00:48:10.000 And frankly, I think that Kelly is not wrong here.

00:48:12.000 I mean, the fact is that if there had been someone around Trump saying, no, you're not allowed to outsource your Ukrainian foreign policy to Rudy Giuliani, stop this nonsense.

00:48:20.000 If there had been someone around Trump saying, you know, you really shouldn't Try to investigate what's going on in Ukraine via wild rumors being fed to you by your personal lawyer.

00:48:30.000 Maybe Trump wouldn't listen, but it would have been good to have somebody.

00:48:33.000 Kelly said, I regret resigning because of all of that.

00:48:36.000 He said that he wishes that there had been somebody who was there telling Trump no.

00:48:40.000 And then Trump immediately fired back.

00:48:42.000 He gave a statement to CNN.

00:48:44.000 He said, John Kelly never said that.

00:48:45.000 He never said anything like that.

00:48:46.000 Because Kelly said, That he told Trump not to hire a Yes Man.

00:48:50.000 Trump said, John Kelly never said that, he never said anything like that.

00:48:53.000 If he would have said that, it would have thrown him out of the office.

00:48:55.000 He just wants to come back into the action like everybody else does.

00:48:58.000 Which is a very weird, like, he doesn't want back into the White House.

00:49:01.000 And then, the White House Press Secretary, Stephanie Grisham, she said, I worked with John Kelly and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great President.

00:49:11.000 That is not a good way to rebut charges that you have surrounded yourself with yes people, by the way.

00:49:14.000 If somebody says, you surround yourself with yes people, and you're like, here is my spokesperson, who will say that you are totally unequipped to handle my great genius.

00:49:21.000 Not the world's best rebuttal there from President Trump.

00:49:24.000 Again, does this mean that Trump is guilty of impeachable offenses?

00:49:26.000 No, it doesn't.

00:49:27.000 It means that Trump is more likely to run directly into sinkholes, political sinkholes, when there is no one there to hold him back.

00:49:35.000 Does that mean that he purposely ran into the sinkhole?

00:49:37.000 Does it mean that he should be?

00:49:39.000 No.

00:49:39.000 It just means it would have been good to have somebody saying to him, no.

00:49:42.000 That would have been a useful, useful thing.

00:49:44.000 Okay, time for a quick thing I like and then a quick thing that I hate.

00:49:47.000 So, quick thing that I like today.

00:49:50.000 They're at a lot of long rides.

00:49:51.000 We're here in Israel still.

00:49:52.000 It's been a fantastic, phenomenal trip.

00:49:54.000 Gotten a lot of opportunities to go to some really cool places yesterday.

00:49:57.000 Went to Masada with the kids.

00:49:58.000 Well, that means that we do have a driver over here for security reasons.

00:50:02.000 And my, not because it's an insecure country, just because I am a public figure in all this.

00:50:07.000 Well, in any case, I sit in the back of the car and I've got kids on one side, a kid on one side and a kid on the other.

00:50:13.000 And these are long rides.

00:50:14.000 That means it's time to watch some movies.

00:50:16.000 And the movies that they want to watch Always and forever are Pixar movies.

00:50:20.000 They love the Pixar films.

00:50:21.000 And honestly, as an adult, you don't end up like when you're going out to a movie with your wife, you don't end up going out to see Pixar films just as a general rule.

00:50:28.000 But they're really great.

00:50:29.000 I mean, they're better than most of the movies that are out there.

00:50:31.000 I hadn't seen Incredibles 2.

00:50:33.000 It's really good and really funny.

00:50:35.000 So if you're looking for a great movie to watch with your kids tonight, Incredibles 2 would be the movie.

00:50:40.000 It really is.

00:50:41.000 Like, I've laughed harder at Incredibles 2 than I've laughed at any comedy that I've seen in the last five years.

00:50:45.000 Because it really is.

00:50:46.000 Except for maybe the death of Stalin.

00:50:49.000 It's really good.

00:50:50.000 Here's a little bit of the trailer for Incredibles 2.

00:50:55.000 Did you wash your hands?

00:50:59.000 With soap?

00:51:02.000 Did you dry them?

00:51:08.000 Is this all vegetables?

00:51:10.000 Who wanted all vegetables?

00:51:11.000 I did.

00:51:12.000 So, are we going to talk about it?

00:51:15.000 What?

00:51:16.000 The elephant in the room.

00:51:17.000 What elephant?

00:51:22.000 Mom's new job.

00:51:24.000 Okay, so, it's a little bit scary for little kids.

00:51:29.000 My three-year-old's a little bit scared by it.

00:51:31.000 Not too much because the villain in it has kind of a scary voice and a scary look.

00:51:35.000 But, All the stuff with the little baby, with superpowers, is pretty phenomenal.

00:51:41.000 And it also has half the cast of Breaking Bad, which is kind of hilarious.

00:51:45.000 It's got the guy who plays Saul, better call Saul.

00:51:49.000 It's got Mike Ehrmantraut.

00:51:50.000 It's got this weird crossover.

00:51:52.000 It's a lot of fun.

00:51:54.000 Go check it out.

00:51:55.000 Totally worth the watch.

00:51:56.000 Incredibles 2.

00:51:56.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate.

00:52:03.000 So, President Trump visited the Nationals game last night.

00:52:07.000 And at this Nationals game, he was roundly booed, which is not a shock at all.

00:52:11.000 I mean, he's in Washington, D.C.

00:52:12.000 The crowd at the Washington Nationals game is going to be profoundly anti-Trump.

00:52:15.000 They're cheering the American troops.

00:52:17.000 They were booing President Trump.

00:52:18.000 And this, of course, became a national news story.

00:52:20.000 Oh, they booed the president of the United States.

00:52:21.000 And yeah, you know what?

00:52:22.000 If Barack Obama had gone to a Houston Astros game in the middle of his presidency, presumably he would have been booed as well.

00:52:30.000 It's not really a national news story, but it is a story because obviously whenever the president is booed like that, it's not a good look.

00:52:39.000 I will say that the day that you kill one of the world's leading terrorists to get booed at a ballpark, it's a weird thing from fans.

00:52:46.000 It's a very weird thing from fans.

00:52:49.000 You know, politics is politics.

00:52:50.000 I sort of get it.

00:52:51.000 What is ridiculous, what is purely ridiculous, is Saturday Night Live.

00:52:54.000 So Saturday Night Live literally did a skit on Saturday night.

00:52:58.000 I mean, we're not talking about bad timing.

00:52:59.000 Saturday Night Live did a skit on Saturday night in which they thanked Trump.

00:53:02.000 He had a terrorist, someone playing a terrorist, thanking Trump for bringing jobs back to ISIS the day before, the morning before Trump announced the killing of al-Baghdadi.

00:53:12.000 So here was this SNL skit.

00:53:14.000 Who's next?

00:53:14.000 You, sir, please.

00:53:15.000 Oh, thank you.

00:53:16.000 It's so great to see a young Trump supporter.

00:53:18.000 Oh, thank you.

00:53:19.000 Thank you, Mr. President.

00:53:20.000 Thank you.

00:53:22.000 And, uh, where are you from, son?

00:53:23.000 New Mexico?

00:53:24.000 ISIS!

00:53:26.000 Yeah, I was a prisoner in Syria until last week when you freed me.

00:53:29.000 So, uh, I just wanted to say thank you for bringing jobs back to ISIS.

00:53:35.000 And I promise that I will make ISIS great again!

00:53:38.000 Whoo!

00:53:40.000 Terrific, what a great guy.

00:53:42.000 Yeah, and then we killed... By the way, we didn't just kill Baghdadi over the weekend, we also killed his right-hand man.

00:53:47.000 We had a... There was a... I think we hit him with a Hellfire missile, which is a hell of a way to go.

00:53:51.000 So, bringing Jobs back to ISIS... Some bad timing there from Saturday Night Live.

00:53:57.000 Okay, we'll be back here a little bit later today with two additional hours of celebratory content, because, I mean, hey, it's a great day in America, nonetheless, when you kill the world's leading terrorist.

00:54:07.000 That's a pretty good thing.

00:54:08.000 We'll be back here later today to talk about it.

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