The Ben Shapiro Show - Allen West | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 34

00:00:00.000 My dad told me, you know, never see your skin color as a hindrance or an obstacle.

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00:00:12.000 Hey, welcome to the Sunday Special.

00:00:21.000 We have on as our special guest today, Lieutenant Colonel Alan West.

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00:01:43.000 Lieutenant Colonel West, thanks so much for showing up.

00:01:45.000 I really appreciate it.

00:01:46.000 It's good to be here.

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00:01:51.000 Let's start by me asking about your military career a little bit.

00:01:55.000 So for folks who don't know anything about you, you grew up in Georgia in a democratic family and then you served for 21 years in the military.

00:02:01.000 So can you kind of give your background, your life story in a nutshell?

00:02:04.000 Well, you know, I grew up in the same neighborhood that gave us Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

00:02:07.000 It's called the Old Fourth Ward neighborhood in Atlanta, Georgia.

00:02:10.000 And my elementary school was right across the street from Ebenezer Baptist Church.

00:02:14.000 And to grow up in a family where, first of all, unlike many young black kids today, I had a great mother and father in the home.

00:02:20.000 My dad was a corporal in World War II.

00:02:23.000 My mother worked with a Marine Corps headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia.

00:02:26.000 They would probably tell me my hair is too long right now, but God rest their souls.

00:02:30.000 And I will never forget, at the age of 15, my dad challenged me to be the first officer in our family because my older brother was a Lance Corporal in the Marine Corps doing Vietnam.

00:02:39.000 He was wounded there, but he got out okay.

00:02:42.000 So, my trek started in high school, junior ROTC, went through ROTC at the University of Tennessee, got commissioned 31 July 1982, and I still try to live up to that commission and that oath to support and defend the Constitution.

00:02:56.000 And the great thing is that, you know, my nephew now is a major in the Army, following in my footsteps as a paratrooper and artillery officer, continuing that service, sacrifice, and commitment that we've done in our family.

00:03:07.000 Well, what do you think are the military set of values that differentiate so many folks in the military from sort of the mainstream American population, the vast majority of whom not only have never served, I mean, I never served, you know, and thank God for folks like you who did, but who don't even know people who have served.

00:03:20.000 What do you think differentiates that value system?

00:03:22.000 It's two things.

00:03:23.000 It's service above self and a no-quit attitude.

00:03:26.000 You know, I always tell people, folks ask, who's your greatest military, you know, hero and everything.

00:03:31.000 I'll talk about Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain.

00:03:34.000 And if you study the Battle of Gettysburg, and here was a guy who was just a simple professor of rhetoric at Bowdoin College in Maine.

00:03:41.000 But because he was an educated man, he got a commission, he was put in charge of a regiment, the 20th Maine Regiment.

00:03:46.000 And on that second day at Gettysburg, when the ammunition is running out, casualties are mounting, the 20th Alabamians still charging the hill, and they fix bayonets. 0.72

00:03:55.000 The first bayonet charge in the Union Army.

00:03:57.000 And they saved not just the day at Gettysburg, but they probably saved this Union, because if Lee and an army in northern Virginia had been successful at Gettysburg, they would have marched on.

00:04:06.000 So here's Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, just a simple man, a professor of rhetoric, ends up being awarded the Medal of Honor, becomes a governor, two-time governor of the State of Maine.

00:04:14.000 That's what America produces. 0.84

00:04:16.000 And I think that if we can get back to that, people that believe that there's something greater than just themselves or a selfie or iPhone, iPad or whatever, and understand that commitment to a core set of principles and values.

00:04:29.000 Like I said, I took an oath to the Constitution.

00:04:32.000 Every one of us need to be committed and convicted for something.

00:04:35.000 And that's why you're such a great, brilliant young man, because you know what you believe in.

00:04:39.000 You know those fundamental principles and values.

00:04:41.000 You've committed yourself.

00:04:42.000 To make sure you pass on a better America to your daughter and your children.

00:04:47.000 And that's what it's all about.

00:04:48.000 So how did you move into sort of conservative politics from the military?

00:04:52.000 So your parents were Democrats.

00:04:54.000 You grew up in a Democrat area, obviously.

00:04:57.000 What drove you toward the Republican Party?

00:04:58.000 Well, see, that's the amazing thing.

00:05:00.000 People don't understand philosophically.

00:05:02.000 And when you talk about principles, the black community has always been a conservative community.

00:05:07.000 It has always been about faith, it's always been about family, individual responsibility, until Lyndon Johnson came along with the Great Society.

00:05:15.000 It has always been about service to the country, as I talk about, four generations out of my family.

00:05:20.000 It has always been about quality education, but we don't see those things continue to permeate now in the black community, and like I said, When Johnson came along in 1964-65 with his Gray Society programs, he eroded many of those fundamental principles and values.

00:05:34.000 So when my parents, John Lewis was my congressional representative growing up in Atlanta, and it was so funny when I was sworn in up there, and I was a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, and I told him, it was an honor to meet you because you were once my representative.

00:05:47.000 He was a guy, he was campaigning against me.

00:05:49.000 Because he didn't know my background.

00:05:51.000 He didn't know I was from Atlanta.

00:05:52.000 But if we can get people to think more about philosophy of governance and not about political parties, understand that right and true relationship between the individual and the institution of government, I think we correct things.

00:06:04.000 And so how my parents brought me up, it was just natural for me to see myself as a very conservative person.

00:06:11.000 But the Republican Party, when you talk about it, they need to understand.

00:06:15.000 What their fundamental principles and values are.

00:06:17.000 You talk to most Republicans, Ben, and they don't know why the Republican Party was established in 1854.

00:06:22.000 It was just one issue.

00:06:25.000 The issue of slavery.

00:06:26.000 The Republican Party has always been about individual liberty.

00:06:30.000 And we can talk about the history of the other political party, and it's the complete antithesis of that.

00:06:34.000 But they are able to dominate the narrative.

00:06:36.000 Where do you think the Republican Party has gone wrong in doing its outreach to minority communities?

00:06:40.000 Because it seems like Republicans are winning a diminishing share of the black vote, a diminishing share of the Hispanic vote.

00:06:47.000 What are they doing wrong in reaching out?

00:06:48.000 Is it a problem with Republicans?

00:06:50.000 Is it a problem with the media?

00:06:52.000 Where do you see the problems?

00:06:53.000 It's a problem with, I remember talking to Reince Priebus once, and I told him how much I despised and detested the word outreach.

00:07:00.000 Because what outreach means is that you show up in Black History Month, or Hispanic American Month, or Asian Pacific American Month, all of these balkanized months that we created, and you act like you're a part of the community, and then they don't hear or see you again until 60 days before an election, when you show up and you say, vote for me.

00:07:17.000 What really needs to happen is policy inclusiveness.

00:07:19.000 What really needs to happen is a connection and understand people Basically, who they are and what they believe.

00:07:24.000 Everybody wants to be a part of an American dream.

00:07:27.000 I don't believe that people wake up every day in life and say, I want to sit here in Section 8 housing and get a check from the government.

00:07:33.000 But if that's the only message that they hear, if that's the only people that are going into those communities and talking to them about being victims and not victors, then the Republicans are always chasing their tail.

00:07:44.000 So I think it's so important when you look at quality education, you look at the inner cities.

00:07:49.000 And how that aspect of education is falling apart.

00:07:52.000 Think about this.

00:07:53.000 In 2009, Barack Obama cancelled the D.C. 0.96

00:07:57.000 school voucher program.

00:07:59.000 But he sent his kids to the very prestigious Sidwell Friends.

00:08:03.000 But he told deserving minority kids, you can't be here. 0.99

00:08:07.000 What an incredible winning issue for the Republican Party to connect.

00:08:11.000 When you look at, as I said, when I was born in 1961, a two-parent household in the black community, 74 to 77 percent.

00:08:18.000 Today it's 24 percent.

00:08:20.000 What a great issue to talk about how we want to restore the sense of family and restore small business entrepreneurship.

00:08:28.000 And you talk about urban economic empowerment zones and all of these things.

00:08:32.000 Well, go in there and start showing people what you mean by that.

00:08:35.000 Are Republicans at a systemic disadvantage to a certain extent with this?

00:08:38.000 Because for Democrats, you can put Democratic-oriented social workers in a lot of these areas, or you can put a welfare office that cuts a lot of checks in areas.

00:08:45.000 And this has nothing to do with black and white, actually, because there are downtrodden white communities where the same thing is happening.

00:08:50.000 But for Republicans, where the basic message is that if we provide you the freedom to rise, then you should rise.

00:08:57.000 I mean, it's your job to rise if we're providing you the freedom.

00:08:59.000 What should Republican politicians be doing?

00:09:01.000 What sort of policies would you prefer to see where there is that face-to-face contact?

00:09:05.000 Because as you say, if you're only seeing a Republican once every election cycle, it's a lot less likely you're going to vote for them than the people who are presumably interacting with you on a daily basis.

00:09:13.000 Well, it's amazing.

00:09:14.000 A lot of people gave President Trump a lot of, you know, guff about him saying, what the heck do you have to lose?

00:09:20.000 Well, that was the true nature of what needs to happen.

00:09:23.000 You know, engage with the black community, say, look, you've been going down the path with these guys 95% of the time.

00:09:30.000 And what has it gotten you?

00:09:31.000 And so we need to challenge the status quo, and we need to have a wholehearted effort to go into these communities and show ourselves and show these policies.

00:09:39.000 And I'm not just talking about, you know, at the federal government level.

00:09:42.000 I'm talking about city councils.

00:09:43.000 I'm talking about school boards.

00:09:44.000 I'm talking about those local representatives that can go in there, and the party needs to support that.

00:09:50.000 You know, it was so funny, I was talking to Lake Highlands Republicans Women's Club there in Dallas, Texas, and I was saying these exact same things. 0.67

00:09:58.000 And they said, that's easy for you to say that because you're black. 0.63

00:10:01.000 We can't go into a black neighborhood and say that. 0.86

00:10:02.000 I said, but why do white liberal progressives Go into black and Hispanic neighborhoods and they say what they have to say.

00:10:09.000 You're self-censoring yourself.

00:10:10.000 You're already saying that we can't, you know, have any relationship here.

00:10:15.000 And I think that that's one of the horrible things that happened.

00:10:18.000 If George Soros can write all these checks and create this organization like a Black Lives Matter, which really is oxymoronic to me, it's just the lives that the liberal progressive left believes that matters in the black community.

00:10:30.000 Where are the benefactors?

00:10:32.000 On the conservative side, they're saying, we're going to get in here, and we're going to show, policy-wise, what we can do.

00:10:38.000 And we're going to have these connections.

00:10:40.000 We're going to have after-school programs for kids.

00:10:43.000 And we're going to support the local law enforcement.

00:10:46.000 And we're going to develop more police athletic league programs, support those type of things.

00:10:51.000 You've got to show them something different.

00:10:52.000 Now, how do Republicans overcome the generalized perception the media puts out there that they're a bunch of racists?

00:10:57.000 And you see this because there are certain situations in which Republicans say things that are quite awful and that draws fire.

00:11:03.000 So, for example, in the last couple of weeks we saw what Steve King said in Iowa and Senator Tim Scott, the only black senator, came out and said the Republican Party's been too easy on this sort of stuff in the past.

00:11:13.000 Do you think that that's true?

00:11:13.000 Do you think the Republican Party has been too easy on sort of polarized or racially tinged or quasi-racist language in the past?

00:11:20.000 I think the Republican Party has been reactionary to it and not been proactive.

00:11:24.000 You know, we just recently had, last year, the people there in the Dallas City Council decided to take down the statue of Robert E. Lee.

00:11:33.000 And I spoke there before the City Council saying, you know, statues don't keep you from going to school or getting a job or being successful.

00:11:42.000 The left is very good at saying, you know, these statues or these things, these parts of history are bad.

00:11:47.000 But yet, when was the last time you had anyone talk about the founder of Planned Parenthood?

00:11:52.000 Margaret Sanger, a known white supremacist, a known racist, a person who spoke at Klan rallies.

00:11:57.000 And when you look at the fact that, you know, close to 70% of Planned Parenthood clinics are located where?

00:12:02.000 In minority communities.

00:12:04.000 And so what we need to be saying is that, hey, sure, we don't want to deal with this white supremacy or anything, but let's be very honest.

00:12:12.000 You guys have a black eye as well.

00:12:14.000 And let's start calling this as it is.

00:12:15.000 And when we have these assertions, you know, the president being a racist or whatever, someone needs to be on these shows, CNN, MSNBC, whatever, and speaking out against it.

00:12:25.000 I cannot tell you how many times I've been called Uncle Tom, sellout, white man's porch monkey, all of these things.

00:12:32.000 For whatever reason, white liberals think that it's open game on Hispanic, black, female conservatives, but yet all of a sudden they have this, you know, this force field of protection that, you know, keeps them from any type of scrutiny.

00:12:46.000 We've got to break down that force field.

00:12:48.000 What do you make of the philosophy that's now rearing its head on campus and is moving the mainstream of intersectionality?

00:12:53.000 You see mainstream Democratic candidates now talking about intersectionality, the assumption being that basically if you're a member of particular groups then you are inherently victimized by American life and that this means that we ought to take your opinion more seriously on particular issues of public policy.

00:13:06.000 What do you make of that?

00:13:07.000 Well then, once again, that's about them creating people to be victims and not victors.

00:13:11.000 There's a great clip I was speaking at Northwestern University last spring semester.

00:13:16.000 And I was talking about the Iranian nuclear agreement and Middle Eastern foreign policy.

00:13:20.000 I thought it did a pretty good job for a boy, you know, born and raised down South.

00:13:24.000 And the first question from a young black female was, do you identify as black?

00:13:29.000 I mean, you can see the video clip.

00:13:30.000 I mean, I was just floored.

00:13:32.000 Because I'm thinking, out of all the things I just said, That was the only thing that you could bring about, because there's this effort on college campuses to say that if you're Jewish, you're supposed to think a certain way.

00:13:45.000 If you're black, you're supposed to think a certain way. 1.00

00:13:47.000 If you're female, whatever. 0.99

00:13:48.000 And if you don't think that way, you're bad, or you're confused, or maybe you're mentally disturbed.

00:13:54.000 But what we want to do No matter where you come from.

00:13:57.000 We need more people to be victims.

00:13:58.000 Why?

00:13:59.000 Because the left needs more people to be dependent upon them.

00:14:02.000 And the only people that can have validity in the mindset of the left are people that have been victimized.

00:14:08.000 Because if you are not, you know, even though I was brought up in inner city, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, those kind of guys, they can't, you know, speak for me.

00:14:17.000 I don't need anyone to speak for me.

00:14:19.000 I mean, my wife has a PhD.

00:14:21.000 She was a business professor, MBA.

00:14:24.000 She is the daughter of people that immigrated here from Jamaica, legally.

00:14:28.000 Her dad served 24 years in the United States military.

00:14:30.000 He's buried at Arlington National Cemetery.

00:14:33.000 But those aren't the stories that the other side wants to have.

00:14:36.000 And that's why venues and platforms like yourself, those are the stories that we should be talking about.

00:14:42.000 The stories of people that came here legally.

00:14:44.000 The stories of people that, you know, when they did run into hard times, they understood that maybe they needed a safety net.

00:14:49.000 But the safety net is there for you to continue to climb to whatever amount of success you want.

00:14:54.000 Because the other side wants people to just lay around in a hammock, and that's not what America's about.

00:14:58.000 So in a second I want to ask you about what role you think racism does play in American life.

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00:16:06.000 So, Lieutenant Colonel West.

00:16:08.000 Whenever I talk about these issues with folks on the left, what they say is you are giving short shrift to the real role of both historic and current racism in American life.

00:16:15.000 You don't understand racism and that's why you're not quick enough to denounce racism.

00:16:19.000 So to take the Steve King example, Steve King for years said stuff that was very borderline and could be interpreted a couple of different ways and I gave him the benefit of the doubt because I tried to give people the benefit of the doubt and then he said something in the last couple of weeks that is just inexcusable and there's no way for me to give him the benefit of the doubt anymore.

00:16:35.000 According to the left, they would say, well, why did you give them the benefit of the doubt in the first place?

00:16:38.000 If you truly understood how evanescent racism is, how present it is, then you wouldn't be giving people the benefit of the doubt.

00:16:44.000 You'd be coming down on them when they say something that could even be construed as racist.

00:16:48.000 How should we deal with racism in American life?

00:16:51.000 How prominent is it?

00:16:52.000 And what's the best way to fight it?

00:16:54.000 Well, I think that we have seen this resurgence of the word and the term racism and racist here recently because the left has used it as a tool to get people to self-censor.

00:17:05.000 As a matter of fact, we just recently had the new freshman Democrat representative from the state of Washington, Representative Javapal, talk about the whole thing about this border wall is because, you know, Donald Trump wants to keep America pure, that it's all about racism.

00:17:21.000 Well, you know, say that to the young legal immigrant police officer, Ronil Singh.

00:17:28.000 That had nothing to do with racism.

00:17:30.000 A criminal legal immigrant killed him. 0.99

00:17:31.000 Or Jamil Shah, from right here in California.

00:17:35.000 Or any of the other instances where we have seen Kayla Cuevas, and then also Nisa Mickens, who were killed by MS-13 gang members.

00:17:43.000 So, I think that what has happened is that when the left wants to try to get people to shut down, they throw out the racist word.

00:17:51.000 I mean, if you disagree with Barack Obama, you are a racist.

00:17:55.000 Or if you disagree with Eric Holder. 0.71

00:17:57.000 And I'm tired of us, you know, the boy that cried wolf.

00:18:00.000 Is there racism in the United States of America?

00:18:01.000 Of course there is.

00:18:03.000 You know, there are people that are going to have inherent prejudices.

00:18:05.000 But the great thing about America is that this America now will do everything it can to squash And not allow those type of thoughts or perspectives or philosophies to have any impact or influence in our society.

00:18:18.000 And I think Steve King has really relegated himself to insignificance and irrelevance.

00:18:24.000 And I would be very surprised if the people out in Iowa were to vote for him again.

00:18:28.000 I mean, because it just gets to be too much too often.

00:18:31.000 But I also think that we need to combat a racism that we have seen in what I call and some people call the soft bigotry of low expectations.

00:18:40.000 You know, someone could look at a program like Affirmative Action and say, that's racist.

00:18:44.000 To say to me that, well, you probably can't achieve it, so we're going to lower the standards so you can get out there and play.

00:18:51.000 That was the great thing that my dad taught me about the military.

00:18:53.000 He said, son, when you go into the military, it ain't about the color of your skin.

00:18:57.000 It is all about what you can do out there on the battlefield.

00:19:00.000 And that's how it should be.

00:19:03.000 And Martin Luther King talked about that.

00:19:04.000 It's about characters, not about color of the skin.

00:19:07.000 But for whatever reason, America has reversed and we've gone back to talking more so about the color of the skin issues instead of the character people.

00:19:14.000 So Steve King, you know, this is not so much about, you know, skin color. 0.98

00:19:18.000 It's about his lack of character and lack of integrity that would have him saying something as foolish as he did. 0.98

00:19:22.000 So I want to ask you a little bit about military policies. 0.97

00:19:24.000 One of the things that's happened inside the Republican Party, even since you left the military, is a movement away from a more hawkish interventionist Republican Party and toward a sort of isolationist perspective.

00:19:34.000 Now, you served in Iraq.

00:19:36.000 The prevailing opinion seems to be, not only in the mainstream media, but now inside the Republican Party, that the war in Iraq was a horrible mistake.

00:19:43.000 What's your perspective on the war, having served there and having made policy about it in Congress?

00:19:47.000 Well, I will tell you that having been there on the ground, I mean, there were things that you gave opportunities for, for the people in Iraq that they never would have ever had.

00:19:55.000 You know, folks ask me, what was the greatest achievement that you had in your 22 years or so in the military?

00:20:01.000 And I will tell you, when I was in Afghanistan and seeing little girls go to school, That was the most special thing that I could ever think of.

00:20:08.000 Now, the problem with our military and the problem with the civilian leaders that we have over the military and political leaders, they don't understand nation building.

00:20:16.000 We don't need to be in the business of nation building.

00:20:19.000 There are enemies out there, and when you're dealing with Islamic terrorism, we need to be denying that enemy sanctuaries. 0.99

00:20:25.000 We need to be focused more so on strike operations.

00:20:27.000 When you look at what is going on in Syria right now, You work with, you know, a local allied force, like the Kurds, and you provide them that support and the resources to be able to go down there and do what is necessary, instead of being bogged down and worrying about, you know, the Syrian civil war or, you know, building roads or what have you there.

00:20:46.000 And I think that that's what, you know, we have lost our sight in Afghanistan. 0.61

00:20:49.000 In Afghanistan, if you're not going to do something about the terrorist sanctuaries in Pakistan, then you might as well leave.

00:20:55.000 Because, you know, the two and a half years that I was spent in Afghanistan, we knew exactly what was happening.

00:21:00.000 When the snows melted and the passes opened up, they came right out of Pakistan, back over into Afghanistan. 0.79

00:21:06.000 They stayed there.

00:21:06.000 They fought us until, you know, the snows set back in.

00:21:09.000 They went back over, rearmed and refitted.

00:21:11.000 The exact same lesson we learned in Vietnam, Ben.

00:21:14.000 Laos and Cambodia.

00:21:15.000 We were allowing the enemy to stay there and come in and attack us.

00:21:18.000 So, you know, as George Santayana attributed to him, said, those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

00:21:24.000 We need to understand and figure out what are we going to use our military for.

00:21:28.000 Our military is not there for nation building.

00:21:30.000 Our military there is as a credible deterrent force.

00:21:33.000 And I think that too often people just believe, let's put the military out there and let's figure out as we go along.

00:21:39.000 We want defined and set goals and objectives and strategies that enable us to achieve victory.

00:21:44.000 But I tell you, when I see what's happening with Iran out there in the Persian Gulf and the harassment they're doing of our warships, that's got to end. 0.98

00:21:51.000 What do you think of, you know, the declaration by President Trump, for example, that the war in Iraq was basically lost?

00:21:57.000 I mean, he essentially called George W. Bush a war criminal in the middle of the campaign.

00:22:02.000 He suggested that people who had been killed in action in Iraq had basically wasted their lives.

00:22:08.000 What do you think of, you know, a Republican Party that's moved in this more very harshly isolationist direction, at least in rhetoric, if not in practice?

00:22:14.000 Well, I think it's really interesting when people or private citizens, what they say, and then all of a sudden they sit there at the Resolute Desk and they get those briefings.

00:22:21.000 They come to understand, you know, military affairs, national security, and foreign policy.

00:22:25.000 They take a different perspective.

00:22:27.000 The United States of America can't completely withdraw from the world.

00:22:30.000 We all know that.

00:22:31.000 But what the United States military and the United States should be doing is building those key relationships and partnerships.

00:22:37.000 When you look at Eastern Europe, you know, we should be, you know, better relations with Poland, with the Baltic States, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania.

00:22:45.000 What more can we do with the Ukraine?

00:22:47.000 When Vladimir Putin saw us kind of wash our hands with the Ukraine, that's when he went in and he took the Crimea.

00:22:53.000 When he saw us decimating our military capability and capacity, he, Xi Jinping, North Korea, Hassan Rouhani and the Iranians, the Ayatollahs, they saw that as the window of opportunity. 0.99

00:23:03.000 The thing is that you don't want to go out there and seek to fight every single person, but you need to have that credible deterrent that prevents people from seeking those aspirations that are antithetical to liberty and freedom all across the world.

00:23:15.000 If I could have gone 22 years of my military career, Ben, and never had to look at my wife and my daughters in the eye and say, hey, I gotta go, and not know if I'm coming back, I would have been happy to do that.

00:23:27.000 But it's a volunteer military, and I raised my right hand, and I understand the consequences that go to that.

00:23:32.000 But all I want are for people up in Washington, D.C., those elected leaders and officials, to understand, if you're going to employ the military, give us the left and right limits to be able to go out and do what's necessary.

00:23:45.000 I'll give you a case in point.

00:23:46.000 We sat down with Benjamin Netanyahu back in August of 2011, and he, congressional delegation, he said, if you withdraw all of your troops out of Iraq, you're going to create a vacuum.

00:23:57.000 And something's going to fill that vacuum.

00:23:59.000 That's what you need to go back and sincerely tell President Obama.

00:24:03.000 He didn't listen.

00:24:04.000 And look what happened.

00:24:06.000 And just the same as we outsourced our military resources to terrorists in Libya.

00:24:11.000 And look what happened.

00:24:12.000 So I just wish we would think a little bit smarter.

00:24:15.000 And one of the things I believe, we've got to get more veterans.

00:24:18.000 More veterans that have been on the ground and they understand the tactical level that can help us make the right strategic level decisions.

00:24:24.000 And we've got to have those people that haven't been in the military that are willing to listen to them.

00:24:28.000 What do you think are the proper set of rules of engagement?

00:24:30.000 So obviously you came to National Motoriety originally because of controversy over rules of engagement in Iraq.

00:24:35.000 I wonder if you could tell that story and also what you think the normal rules of engagement should be for our military.

00:24:40.000 They seem to change rapidly and almost randomly based on headlines.

00:24:44.000 Well, one of the things you cannot do, it should be a consistent steady state when it comes to national security.

00:24:49.000 It shouldn't be left or right.

00:24:50.000 I mean, that should be a constant.

00:24:52.000 And you even see that in Israel.

00:24:53.000 They can disagree on domestic policies, but they're constant on national security.

00:24:57.000 What happened with me is that we had information about an Iraqi police officer that was feeding intel over to Saddam Fedayeen.

00:25:04.000 He was not forthcoming with any information.

00:25:07.000 You know, I just improvised, adapted, and overcame, and used a psychological intimidation trick, told him I was going to shoot him, I was going to kill him, and I actually just fired a pistol over his head, and he, you know, divulged some information that helped us out, kept my guys alive.

00:25:20.000 But understand it, I colored outside the lines, I reported myself.

00:25:24.000 And about a month later, you know, they came down and investigated.

00:25:28.000 I admitted to everything.

00:25:29.000 And I think that's the most important thing about being a leader is you take responsibility for your actions.

00:25:34.000 And I'm here today.

00:25:35.000 I'm a retired Army Lieutenant Colonel.

00:25:37.000 I have all the ranks and benefits and privileges thereof because it was not conduct I'm becoming of an officer.

00:25:43.000 Everyone knew the action that I took was to protect my men.

00:25:46.000 When I think of some of the rules of engagement that you can't fire upon the enemy until they fire upon you.

00:25:52.000 Two to three seconds, someone loses their life in a firefight.

00:25:55.000 And if we can clearly identify the enemy, we should engage them.

00:25:58.000 Think about, you know, everyone always asks questions about IEDs.

00:26:01.000 Why are there always these IEDs around?

00:26:03.000 Why?

00:26:03.000 Because some lawyers said that unless you can prove hostile intent, a guy in the middle of the night with a shovel, with a projectile that's about yay big, with little cylindrical wires coming out of it, he's not showing hostile intent.

00:26:15.000 And then the next thing you know in the morning, someone gets blown up.

00:26:18.000 So again, we cannot cede over the battlefield to lawyers.

00:26:23.000 This is not a law enforcement operation.

00:26:25.000 You don't collect someone up and, you know, question them and interrogate them and try to charge them with something.

00:26:30.000 We've got to get them off the battlefield.

00:26:32.000 And I think it's so important that we get, you know, that steady state of people that come in and understand, I don't care Republican or Democrat.

00:26:40.000 These are young men and women that are out there protecting our way of life.

00:26:44.000 And if you're going to commit them into an engagement, then allow them to go out there and do what needs to be done.

00:26:49.000 That's why you don't hear about ISIS.

00:26:50.000 Because President Trump understood, I'm going to allow the military commanders to do what needs to be done.

00:26:56.000 So we've talked about some of the shifts inside the Republican Party.

00:26:58.000 When you first came into Congress, you came in in 2010 with the Tea Party wave, and it's really interesting because now you've seen that the Republicans have basically continued to blow out spending, despite what the Tea Party wave was all about.

00:27:10.000 What do you think the Tea Party was about?

00:27:12.000 Because the leftist take on the Tea Party is that it was simply anger at President Obama, channeled toward a false end of smaller government.

00:27:20.000 And then as soon as Obama was gone, we didn't care about spending anymore.

00:27:22.000 We were happy to blow out the spending ourselves.

00:27:24.000 What do you think the Tea Party was?

00:27:25.000 And do you think that that sentiment is still alive?

00:27:27.000 Well, I call it constitutional conservatism.

00:27:30.000 And the Tea Party was all about fiscal, fiscally responsible government and government that operated within the parameters of the Constitution.

00:27:37.000 But yet, when you have a Republican Party that, you know, just late last year, they passed a 1.3 trillion dollar omnibus spending package.

00:27:44.000 That's a mixed signal.

00:27:46.000 So again, it comes back to what we started out talking a little bit about earlier.

00:27:51.000 The right relationship between the individual citizen and the institution of government.

00:27:54.000 And I think that relationship is getting turned upside down.

00:27:57.000 Being a progressive has nothing to do with R&D.

00:28:00.000 After your name.

00:28:01.000 Being progressive has everything to do with how do you see the relationship of government to the individual.

00:28:07.000 If you think government is preeminent, then the individual is small and you're going to tax them ad nauseum ad infinitum to sustain that entity up in Washington, D.C.

00:28:15.000 And someone somewhere has to come around and reverse that cycle.

00:28:19.000 And get this government to be back where it was intended to be.

00:28:21.000 And yet I hear people talk about 70% top tax rate, 90% top tax rate.

00:28:27.000 What is that going to do to production?

00:28:29.000 Individual production in the United States of America?

00:28:32.000 So I think that there is still a desire to have true constitutional conservatism in this country.

00:28:37.000 There's still a desire to go back to our founding document and our rule of law.

00:28:42.000 But the thing is that do we have the people that have the courage to go up there to Washington, D.C.

00:28:47.000 and stand against it?

00:28:48.000 Look, the Republicans redistricted me out in Florida, you know, and I was always a team player.

00:28:55.000 But the thing is this, when you start to get more attention and show that some people are not standing up for what they say they're going to stand up for, then they don't like that.

00:29:05.000 And so America has to, you know, once again create those founding father type of leaders that were visionaries.

00:29:12.000 And we're not there yet, but hopefully we can get there.

00:29:15.000 One of the things that's been really fascinating is there's been this open debate that's now broken out maybe in the last couple of months particularly over kind of the direction of the Republican Party in terms of what the government should do.

00:29:24.000 So it was really led off by Tucker Carlson who gave this monologue on Fox News in which he suggested that the breakdown of family structure was due to a bunch of people in the American economy being left behind by economic choices that have been made.

00:29:36.000 And the counter argument was that the breakdown of the American family and the breakdown of a lot of our societal institutions was really a moral issue that started in the 1960s, was more linked to welfare policy than it was linked to government failures on tariffs, and that these problems can't necessarily be cured by more government interventionism, that this is actually a problem of the American soul.

00:29:56.000 Where do you come down on that?

00:29:56.000 Do you think that we have more of a moral problem in America, or do you think that this is all just sort of economics translated into a moral problem?

00:30:02.000 People who can't afford to get married, for example.

00:30:03.000 No, it's a moral problem in the United States of America.

00:30:06.000 And it's a moral messaging problem where, you know, people have devalued family.

00:30:13.000 I mean, they've devalued life.

00:30:15.000 I mean, you think about since Roe v. Wade, almost 18 million black babies have been murdered in the womb.

00:30:21.000 And that's something that should be unconscionable to people.

00:30:23.000 You want to talk about genocide.

00:30:24.000 And so again, when I look at the breakdown in the black community of the family, and the fact that you had a government program that said, we're going to give a woman a check from the government if she has her child out of wedlock.

00:30:35.000 Continue to give her a check.

00:30:37.000 But the caveat is that she can't have a man in the home.

00:30:40.000 So the maybe unintended, but I think somewhat intended consequence is that you remove the responsibility of the man in the home in a community where the man had always been that responsible figure.

00:30:54.000 I mean, what got the black community through slavery, segregation, Jim Crow, all of these things?

00:30:58.000 It was that solid black family.

00:30:59.000 It was that sense of community.

00:31:01.000 And now that's been decimated.

00:31:03.000 So do I think that another government program is going to repair that?

00:31:06.000 No.

00:31:06.000 I think that there has to be awakening within each and every one of us to say that we can do better than that.

00:31:11.000 I mean, we can protect our unborn.

00:31:13.000 We can restore our families.

00:31:15.000 But until we get, you know, the Hollywood and the culture back on track.

00:31:22.000 That's going to be an uphill battle.

00:31:23.000 In a second, I want to talk to you about Texas because your book is Hold Texas, Hold the Nation.

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00:32:44.000 OK, Lieutenant Colonel West, you have a new book out.

00:32:46.000 It's called Hold Texas, Hold the Nation.

00:32:48.000 What's the basic premise?

00:32:50.000 Why is Texas the key to the nation?

00:32:52.000 Because the two biggest electoral vote states, California and Texas, and the left, without a doubt, have their sights on Texas.

00:33:01.000 As a matter of fact, their mantra is, turn Texas blue.

00:33:04.000 And if you followed the election results from this past November, they really were close to it.

00:33:10.000 As a matter of fact, I live in Dallas, Dallas County, woke up, my congressional representative was gone, state house, state senate, a lot of the judicial appointees, gone.

00:33:19.000 And what is happening is that the greatest export that comes out of California is not avocados, wine or walnuts.

00:33:25.000 It's progressive socialism.

00:33:27.000 And if you look at what Nevada used to be, you look at Arizona, you look at Colorado, you look at New Mexico, and for whatever reason people are leaving California Because of the failed tax and regulatory policies, but they're migrating to states that used to be red states, and they're flipping them because they're, you know, once again, holding on to these same failed policies.

00:33:47.000 So even though Texas, with the incredible economic vibrancy and the economic opportunities you have there, all the right tax and regulatory policies, all the businesses and corporations that are moving there, Texas almost elected a far left progressive socialist as a senator.

00:34:03.000 Came within three points of winning.

00:34:05.000 How does that happen?

00:34:06.000 Because when you look at these major population centers, the Dallas, the Austin, the San Antonio, the Houston, the El Paso, it's all trending toward the blue.

00:34:16.000 And even though Texas has 254 counties, if all of that population centers in the I-35 corridor and some other places, it's just a matter of time.

00:34:26.000 And if the left is successful and turn in Texas, the national level elections are done.

00:34:32.000 You're never going to be able to reverse that cycle.

00:34:34.000 One of the scariest things that I saw about the polling from Texas in the aftermath of Cruz's narrow win over Bob O'Rourke, as you call him, is that the polls tended to show that immigrants from other parts of the country actually tended to vote for Cruz, that it was homegrown Texans, young homegrown Texans.

00:34:49.000 We're voting actually more and more in favor of Democrats.

00:34:53.000 Why do you think that's happening?

00:34:54.000 Well, that's the young people.

00:34:55.000 And of course, when you go to like a place like the University of Texas, and of course, Representative O'Rourke was at his event skateboarding and what have you.

00:35:03.000 But you're also seeing a lot of people that are coming into Texas.

00:35:07.000 The heads of these corporations understand why they're moving.

00:35:10.000 But yet, they're not talking to a lot of the employees.

00:35:13.000 Now, without a doubt, there are people that are coming from California, Illinois, New York, and New Jersey that say, I've had it with the policies there, especially the tax policies.

00:35:20.000 But you also are having people that are coming in within the last year, two years, they don't know the history of Texas.

00:35:26.000 But yet, they're able to immediately come in and vote.

00:35:28.000 And I think it's so important that it's almost like a proactive marketing venture that Texas has to go into to say, you know, welcome to Texas, but why are you here?

00:35:38.000 And they also have to talk to those young people, those future generations, to say, you know, what future do you want to have?

00:35:44.000 A future of liberty?

00:35:45.000 I mean, you think, think about this, Ben.

00:35:48.000 Last September, they had to have a special session for the Texas State Board of Education because someone came up with the idea of removing the word heroic in reference to the defenders of the Alamo in Texas history books.

00:36:02.000 How does that happen?

00:36:03.000 And there are people in Austin who want to change the name of the capital of the city of Texas because he wants own slaves.

00:36:10.000 And so I think it is, yes, young people, but I think that there's also a demographic that is coming in.

00:36:16.000 And you've seen that happen, like I say, in Nevada, in Arizona, in Colorado.

00:36:21.000 And the politics in Colorado dictated Denver and Boulder, pretty much.

00:36:25.000 And also New Mexico, where Albuquerque and Santa Fe dictate the politics.

00:36:29.000 And think about what is happening on the other side of the Mississippi River.

00:36:32.000 Where it used to be, you know, a very red state, Virginia, the state that gave us many of our brilliant founding fathers.

00:36:38.000 Now, all because of one county, basically, Fairfax County, right across the river from Washington, DC.

00:36:43.000 It dictates the policies.

00:36:45.000 I mean, they have not had a statewide Republican victory in Virginia for, I think, going on now nine years.

00:36:52.000 Well, what exactly should Republicans be doing differently in Texas, per se?

00:36:57.000 Especially because when you look at Texas, it's interesting.

00:36:58.000 I had Governor Greg Abbott on my show a little while ago, and he has been winning a pretty significant percentage of the Hispanic vote.

00:37:04.000 If you look at how California has moved in terms of the Hispanic vote versus Texas, it's really quite stunning. 0.96

00:37:09.000 The Hispanic vote in California goes 70-30 Democrat.

00:37:12.000 In Texas, it goes like 55-45 Democrat.

00:37:14.000 It's a lot closer between Democrats and Republicans.

00:37:17.000 What do you think that Texas Republicans have been doing that California Republicans have not in terms of the Hispanic vote?

00:37:21.000 Well, I think that the difference is that many of the Hispanics that are coming into California are coming, you know, centered around an illegal immigrant philosophy. 0.96

00:37:31.000 Where many of the Hispanics that are coming into Texas, and there have been some studies about this, more about the small business entrepreneurship, they still have those basic conservative values about family, they want better education opportunities.

00:37:41.000 And so they understand that connection with the Republican Party.

00:37:45.000 I mean, Hispanic programs in Texas are very strong.

00:37:50.000 And I think you see that reflected.

00:37:51.000 And then of course, you know, Governor Abbott has a Hispanic wife who, without a doubt, being the first lady of Texas, I mean, she's a great person to go out and deliver that message. 0.98

00:38:01.000 But I think that overall, not just in Texas, but everywhere, Republicans have to get back into the major population centers.

00:38:08.000 They wrote them off for so long, and now that's where the left is bringing everyone into.

00:38:14.000 And those policies in most of those urban areas are failing.

00:38:17.000 Even in red states, they're failing.

00:38:20.000 Again, in Georgia, when Stacey Abrams won, she had the Atlanta metropolitan area, then all the rest around it was red.

00:38:26.000 But she came within, what, two points of winning.

00:38:28.000 So I think that's where someone in the Republican Party needs to sit back and look at the big map and say, how do we start penetrating, you know, quote unquote, the blue wall in these, you know, major population centers?

00:38:41.000 I heard one person say that, you know, Pennsylvania, you've got Pittsburgh on one side and Philadelphia on the other side, and in between is Alabama.

00:38:50.000 Okay.

00:38:50.000 So how do we start figuring out getting that message into Philadelphia and Pittsburgh?

00:38:55.000 Think about it.

00:38:55.000 I mean, the sugar tax, the soda tax in Philadelphia, who does that hurt the most?

00:39:00.000 The people in those inner city areas.

00:39:03.000 Illegal immigration, the sanctuary city policies, who does that hurt mostly?

00:39:06.000 The minority populations there.

00:39:08.000 Look at what is happening in the South Side of Chicago with the rampant gang violence.

00:39:13.000 That's where we need to be.

00:39:15.000 And if we don't take that seriously, I mean, it's just a matter of time.

00:39:18.000 And that's why I'm fairly pessimistic about 2020.

00:39:21.000 I want to get your thoughts on this, because in 2018, the Republicans showed up.

00:39:26.000 I mean, they showed up to vote, and then they got swamped.

00:39:28.000 Basically, all the red areas got redder, all the blue areas got bluer, and all the purple areas got very blue.

00:39:33.000 Yes.

00:39:33.000 Very quickly, all those suburban areas got very blue.

00:39:37.000 If Republicans keep doubling down on this narrow base, they're going to lose.

00:39:42.000 I think that a lot of Republicans have fallen into the trap of thinking that because Trump pulled a rabbit out of the hat in 2016 by winning 80,000 votes in the correct three states while losing the popular vote by 3 million, that that's replicable.

00:39:54.000 And I'm having a hard time seeing exactly how that's replicable over the long haul or even over the short term.

00:40:00.000 No, you're absolutely right, and I think, and you and I had this discussion also, is that the American people are very visual, and you can have all the right policies and everything like that, but, you know, President Trump has to understand that there's an optic, and his personality can turn a lot of people off, and that's why you've seen a lot of Republicans, and we had that happen.

00:40:21.000 In the state of Texas, where you had the, you could break up your, you don't have the straight line ticket voting.

00:40:26.000 Right.

00:40:27.000 And there were a lot of people that were picking and choosing in there.

00:40:29.000 And so what we need to do is have someone that is that standard bearer that does portray that leadership image and the policies relate back to it.

00:40:38.000 Because the left is going to go back into those places where he thought that he will have that success again.

00:40:43.000 I mean, look at Wisconsin.

00:40:45.000 I mean, we were not successful in Wisconsin in 2018, this last election cycle.

00:40:51.000 So what exactly should Republicans do?

00:40:52.000 to do everything they can to not allow that to be replicated in 2020.

00:40:56.000 So what exactly should Republicans do?

00:40:58.000 Because it seems like President Trump isn't changing his stripes anytime soon.

00:41:02.000 I think Republicans have to talk about the economy.

00:41:07.000 They have to talk about, and they have to do this in the inner cities.

00:41:10.000 They have to talk about how they can make things better.

00:41:13.000 School choice, school vouchers, education.

00:41:15.000 Those are better things for the Republicans to talk about in the inner cities.

00:41:19.000 I think that, once again, we need to talk about, you know, Americans are safer.

00:41:23.000 We haven't had these, you know, flurry of terrorist attacks like we did in the eight years of the Obama administration.

00:41:28.000 I'm sure a lot of people here still remember what happened in San Bernardino.

00:41:31.000 Back a few years ago in December.

00:41:33.000 So those are the type of things we have to really talk about.

00:41:36.000 But again, it cannot be this outreach thing.

00:41:38.000 It has to find those policies that bring people to understanding that right relationship between themselves and the institution of government.

00:41:46.000 The fact that this should be playing over and over and over.

00:41:49.000 When the president last State of the Union address announced that black unemployment was at an historic all-time low, and they panned over to the members of the Congressional Black Caucus and they just sat there stoically.

00:42:01.000 Those are the type of images you need to show to the American people.

00:42:04.000 If you really want to win on this illegal immigration debate and the thing about the wall, get the angel moms out there. 1.00

00:42:10.000 Get the people that have been victimized by illegal immigration.

00:42:13.000 What I would say is, President Trump, you're doing great things, less of you on camera, okay?

00:42:18.000 And let these stories tell themselves, and let the American people tell some of these stories instead of you trying to do it.

00:42:25.000 So, Lieutenant Colonel West, you were in Congress for a couple of years.

00:42:28.000 Do you have any intent to go back into politics?

00:42:30.000 Are you enjoying yourself too much?

00:42:32.000 I tell you, Ben, I have a heart of service to this country and my arm has been broken so much about, you know, running again.

00:42:38.000 I don't try to reset it anymore.

00:42:40.000 So that was a topic of discussion with my wife and my two daughters.

00:42:44.000 Over the holiday period.

00:42:46.000 My oldest daughter is about to graduate from physician assistant school and my youngest daughter will graduate college this summer.

00:42:52.000 So that frees Angela and I up to, you know, consider some other things.

00:42:57.000 That'll definitely be interesting.

00:42:58.000 Well, I wanted to get your take also on some of the issues culturally that seem to have cropped up.

00:43:03.000 We've talked about racism already, but the other one that has cropped up is what seems to be sort of a war on masculinity.

00:43:08.000 Now, you seem to be a pretty good example of traditional masculinity in American life.

00:43:15.000 Obviously, a military man, a couple of kids.

00:43:18.000 What do you make of the war on what they call toxic masculinity?

00:43:21.000 Yeah, I think it's absolutely absurd.

00:43:23.000 And, you know, this Gillette ad that they came out.

00:43:25.000 I don't use Gillette products.

00:43:27.000 Well, I'll just get that out there.

00:43:28.000 But, you know, the left is defining everything.

00:43:32.000 They're defining now what masculinity is.

00:43:34.000 You know, masculinity is about a person that is a man that understands his responsibilities and is a protector.

00:43:41.000 But yet, all of a sudden, being a guy is associated with all things that are bad.

00:43:46.000 And I just hate this collective perspective and this groupthink perspective that lumps everybody in.

00:43:53.000 So I think it's very important that we redefine what the roles are for men in our society.

00:44:00.000 Look, I have two daughters.

00:44:01.000 And anyone that tries to, you know, harass, you know, my two daughters or whatever, they're going to have to, they'll find their way to me.

00:44:09.000 And that's an important thing about being a strong male role model and the father figure.

00:44:13.000 And the exact same thing with you and your kids.

00:44:16.000 But when we continue to have this chip, chip, chip away, when, when you have Colin Kaepernick in that Nike commercial, you know, believe in something, even if it means sacrificing everything.

00:44:26.000 The perfect person that Nike should have used was Pat Tillman.

00:44:31.000 Here's a pro football player after 9-11 said, there's something better than this, and unfortunately lost his life, but enlisted into the army as an infantryman, as a ranger, and gets deployed to Afghanistan.

00:44:45.000 So I think that what we need to do is start to fight that culture war and stop allowing the left to define everything.

00:44:52.000 They define what it means to be Jewish, what it means to be black, what it means to be Hispanic, what it means to be a woman, what it means to be a man, masculinity and everything.

00:44:59.000 We've got to stop this.

00:45:00.000 So you sat in Congress for a couple of years.

00:45:02.000 You saw how unworkable it is.

00:45:04.000 Obviously, there are a lot of folks right now who are deeply disturbed by the unworkability of Congress and a lot of Republicans who are frustrated.

00:45:11.000 I'm one of them.

00:45:12.000 Sure, sure.

00:45:12.000 Republicans controlled the House of Representatives for years.

00:45:14.000 They controlled the Senate for years.

00:45:15.000 They finally get the presidency.

00:45:17.000 And for two years, they basically pass a tax cut.

00:45:19.000 They barely pass a repeal of the individual mandate and nothing else.

00:45:22.000 They don't defund Planned Parenthood.

00:45:23.000 They don't build the wall.

00:45:24.000 They do a little bit of regulatory rollback, but they don't restructure welfare in any significant way.

00:45:30.000 How can Congress operate better than this?

00:45:33.000 Should it be more partisan and more pedal to the metal?

00:45:35.000 Or should people be looking for some sort of compromise with Democrats?

00:45:38.000 I think it comes back to us as the American people and what we want in our elected officials and representatives.

00:45:45.000 Because we're the ones voting and putting them in those positions.

00:45:49.000 And again, I think the term limits is so important.

00:45:52.000 I think too often people get up there and they just get linked in to the D.C.

00:45:55.000 way of doing things, and they don't want to change.

00:45:58.000 They really believe that the center of power in the United States of America is in Washington, D.C., even more so on Capitol Hill.

00:46:04.000 They don't put the interests of the American people above special interests.

00:46:09.000 Or their own self-interest.

00:46:10.000 And that's a bipartisan thing, without a doubt.

00:46:13.000 So that you're right.

00:46:14.000 Here you have people that say, give us the House, and we'll do this.

00:46:17.000 Well, you get the House.

00:46:18.000 Well, you know, now we need the Senate.

00:46:20.000 Okay, here's the Senate.

00:46:21.000 Well, you know, if we could just have the White House.

00:46:23.000 And then they get all three, and then they fail.

00:46:25.000 One of the things that I admire about the left and the Democrat Party, they're tenacious.

00:46:31.000 Even in the minority, they're tenacious.

00:46:33.000 Because they're true believers in what they believe in, even if it's wrong.

00:46:37.000 But for us, we don't show that we're true believers.

00:46:40.000 And I think at some point in time, we have to have those elected representatives in the Republican Party that are true believers.

00:46:48.000 And I don't know if we're going to get there within the next, you know, four years, but this is my real vision that I think will happen.

00:46:57.000 There will be a third party.

00:46:59.000 That will rise in the United States of America that will say, you two-party guys, you failed us.

00:47:04.000 You're not getting anything done.

00:47:06.000 You hunker down in these respective holes, and you're not taking care of us.

00:47:10.000 And if someone can come along and show a principled vision for this country, you'll find a third party.

00:47:16.000 Do you think that that's more plausible, or the plausibility is that somebody's going to come up inside one of the parties?

00:47:21.000 So this has been the case made about President Trump, is that he tried in 2000 to run on a third-party ticket basically with the Reform Party, then decided not to.

00:47:28.000 We've seen third parties before try and fail in American life.

00:47:31.000 And then Trump launches this outsider campaign and basically takes over the party.

00:47:34.000 Bernie Sanders launched an outsider campaign inside the Democratic Party, basically took over that party.

00:47:38.000 Do you think it's more plausible that there will be a rising third party, or that there will be a force inside one of these parties that just Well, I think that there will be a movement amongst the people.

00:47:47.000 I really do.

00:47:47.000 And somehow the people will find someone to elevate.

00:47:50.000 I mean, you know, I often go back and I always talk about how, you know, the children of Israel said they want a king.

00:47:58.000 God said, okay, here you go.

00:47:59.000 Here's Saul.

00:48:00.000 And the next thing you know, it's like, oh, no, no, no, no, no.

00:48:03.000 And even when, you know, Samuel went to the house of Jesse, and he saw all of those sons, and he thought it was this son, and he thought it was that son.

00:48:12.000 And God said, no, it's that kid there.

00:48:14.000 It's the little scrappy kid coming in from tending the sheep.

00:48:16.000 That's going to be the one.

00:48:17.000 So I think somewhere there's a David out there that's out there just tending the sheep, minding his own business, but he will be the one that will take this country to this next level and restore this country as a constitutional republic.

00:48:31.000 And then our education system has to educate people about what it means to be.

00:48:35.000 We're not teaching our Constitution.

00:48:36.000 We're not teaching our founding documents.

00:48:38.000 We're not teaching our history.

00:48:39.000 And so something has to happen.

00:48:41.000 That revolution has to happen because we have a system of indoctrination, not a system of education.

00:48:46.000 And I think when all those things align themselves, we have the right purpose.

00:48:49.000 So are you optimistic or pessimistic about the future?

00:48:52.000 I'm always optimistic, man, because if you're pessimistic, why wake up?

00:48:56.000 You know, it really is.

00:48:57.000 And I did not.

00:48:58.000 Four generations in my family, all combat veterans, we didn't fight for America to look like a Venezuela. 0.75

00:49:07.000 When I was a young lieutenant and I went through Checkpoint Charlie over to East Berlin, I knew exactly the reason why there was a United States of America.

00:49:15.000 Do you think that there should be some sort of national service component?

00:49:18.000 Because obviously being in the military changed you, obviously it had a long line in your family of changing people.

00:49:23.000 There's been a lot of talk about the idea that young people particularly don't feel any sense of solidarity with the ideals of the United States.

00:49:29.000 We feel increasingly disconnected because of social media and isolated.

00:49:32.000 Do you think that there should be consideration of a national service like they have in Israel, for example?

00:49:36.000 Some type of national service, not exactly bringing back a military draft.

00:49:40.000 Because as a former commander, I don't need to spend 95% of my time with, you know, 5% that don't want to be there.

00:49:46.000 It should be a privilege to wear the uniform of the United States of America and serve this country in uniform.

00:49:51.000 But there's so many other things.

00:49:52.000 The forestry service.

00:49:53.000 I mean, you know, just being in some of these local communities and around here going to some of the, you know, feed the homeless type of places.

00:50:01.000 That's the type of community service.

00:50:02.000 To let these kids know that life does not, you know, center around you taking a selfie and your iPad and your iPhone.

00:50:07.000 There's something greater.

00:50:08.000 Remember when we talked about what separates the military from the rest of the civilian society?

00:50:13.000 Service above self.

00:50:15.000 And we've got to restore that in these future generations.

00:50:17.000 So you've been going around a lot with the Young Americans Foundation, obviously they're a group that I work with as well, and you've been going to a lot of college campuses.

00:50:24.000 What's made you optimistic and what's made you pessimistic?

00:50:26.000 What was the worst question you got while you were on the road?

00:50:29.000 And you know, you've seen some protests as well.

00:50:31.000 What's that been like going to these Well, the worst question was when the young lady at Northwestern University asked me if I identified as black.

00:50:38.000 But that also gave me a window into understanding that level of indoctrination that's happening, that people are just believing that you have to—it's kind of like the Borg in the old Star Trek Next Generation that, you know, you will assimilate, resistance is futile, you don't have an identity, you're just six of seven or seven of nine or whatever.

00:50:58.000 And so that's very troubling for me because College is supposed to be a place where you develop critical thinking skills, and you're supposed to have that intellectual debate, and you're not having that.

00:51:09.000 And I've been to places where, you know, folks, you know, they hold up the signs trying to disrupt you or whatever, and you just plow right through it.

00:51:17.000 And what keeps me optimistic is that when you go on these campuses, Ben, and you see those young future conservatives, that are standing up in the most horrific of situations.

00:51:26.000 I mean, I don't know if I could have done that if I was a college student in these same areas where, you know, your professors are against you, the administration is against you, your peers are against you, and they continue to stand.

00:51:38.000 So the least I can do is to be optimistic and to fight for an America to give these young, deserving people.

00:51:45.000 How about the case that colleges are basically trashed?

00:51:47.000 I mean, this is a case that's been made by some conservatives, which is that the best move for conservatives would be to take their kids and either put them in places like Hillsdale College or to take their kids out of college completely and do the Peter Thiel thing.

00:52:00.000 If they've got money, give them their kids money, get them an apprenticeship, find a way for them to avoid college.

00:52:04.000 Do you think that college is actually a useful bargain for a lot No, I think college is still useful.

00:52:08.000 I think that, you know, to develop the mind is a very important thing.

00:52:11.000 But I think that we should have a Hillsdale College in every single state in the United States of America.

00:52:18.000 Northwood University is another school up in Michigan that's a free market for enterprise institution.

00:52:22.000 We should have one of those.

00:52:24.000 You know, I once went to some very wealthy white philanthropists, and I said, look at how historic black colleges and universities are struggling.

00:52:32.000 Wouldn't it be great if you went in and just bought a few of them and turned them into constitutional conservative black institutions? 0.51

00:52:42.000 You know, because when you read, you know, Booker T. Washington's, you know, autobiography, Up From Slavery, how did he establish Tuskegee Institute?

00:52:49.000 He established Tuskegee Institute based upon conservative principles, education, entrepreneurship, and self-reliance.

00:52:57.000 Now that's what we should be, you know, bringing forth in all of our schools, that you're there to get a relevant education, not just there to get some education in women's studies or underwater basket weaving, and then you've got to go out and be a barista at the Starbucks and you've got all kinds of massive debt.

00:53:12.000 What are we doing to develop the next generation of productive Americans to go out into our society?

00:53:18.000 And that's why, I mean, we've got to rethink how education is done.

00:53:21.000 Sure, not every kid needs to go to college.

00:53:23.000 But college needs to be there, needs to be available, but it needs to be relevant education.

00:53:28.000 Well, this does raise the question of conservative donors because it seems like conservative donors, very often, they only want to give to a couple of causes.

00:53:35.000 One, they want to give to their church.

00:53:36.000 Two, they want to give to a political candidate.

00:53:38.000 Or three, they want to give to somebody who they think is making a splash.

00:53:41.000 How do we change minds in the conservative giving community to say, look, you actually have to invest in local institutions that may not put your name on a building and that may not actually benefit you in the press?

00:53:52.000 Again, they got to stop thinking about themselves and stop, you know, creating these organizations that is reflective of them in their own little rice bowl or their own little silo.

00:54:00.000 I mean, when I look at, you know, the George Soros's and the Tom Steyer's and Michael Bloomberg, I mean, they find a cause.

00:54:09.000 And they fund that cause from the strategic level down to the tactical level.

00:54:13.000 And you can walk it back to all of these groups that are out there.

00:54:16.000 Moms Demand Action, the environmental groups, the Black Lives Matter, Antifa, whatever.

00:54:23.000 And you can trace it back to one of these top funders.

00:54:26.000 But we don't have that same type of fervor.

00:54:28.000 I mean, we've got the resources on our side to go out there and buy a newspaper.

00:54:34.000 And why aren't we doing that?

00:54:35.000 And then we sit back and we wring our hands and say, oh, you know, they control this and they control that.

00:54:40.000 They control it because we are ceding that territory over to them.

00:54:44.000 So I am looking, yeah, we do need people that think from at the strategic level and say, I'm going to, you know, develop my army that can get down here at the tactical level on the ground, that can get in this neighborhood in X city.

00:54:56.000 And I'm going to replicate that in other neighborhoods and cities all across.

00:55:00.000 You know, I'm going to, you know, take on this mantle of building constitutional conservative centers of higher education.

00:55:08.000 And that's going to be my cause.

00:55:10.000 But instead, we just got guys that, you know, throw a little bit here, throw a little bit there.

00:55:14.000 And they don't fight like the old Greeks. 0.99

00:55:16.000 Remember the old Greeks used to lock their shields and create the phalanx? 1.00

00:55:18.000 We don't fight like that on the constitutional conservative side.

00:55:21.000 And it's really easy for us to get picked off.

00:55:23.000 Well, Colonel West, I want to ask you about what drives you, because obviously you're driven by a sense of mission and purpose.

00:55:30.000 What instilled that in you when you were young, or what gets you up in the morning every day?

00:55:35.000 I mean, because are you a person of religious faith?

00:55:38.000 Where does that come from?

00:55:39.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:55:40.000 I mean, you know, every guy born down south got a little bit of, you know, pastor in him.

00:55:44.000 But my dad, And my mom was just incredible.

00:55:49.000 And, you know, my dad, when he told me that, you know, there's no greater honor than wearing a uniform in the United States of America.

00:55:56.000 And here was a man born in 1920.

00:55:57.000 And my mom was born in 1931, down south.

00:56:01.000 Those weren't exactly good times to be, you know, black in the United States of America.

00:56:06.000 But they never had a disparaging word about this country.

00:56:09.000 They always believed that the opportunities were there for me to go and excel and do whatever I wanted to do in this great nation.

00:56:16.000 And that's what I fight for.

00:56:18.000 I call it the difference between the equality of opportunity and the equality of outcomes.

00:56:23.000 My dad told me, you know, never see your skin color as a hindrance or an obstacle.

00:56:28.000 You know, you find out what the standard is, what it means to get the A, and then you get an A+.

00:56:33.000 And that's what I'm driven to do.

00:56:35.000 And the other thing is that you've got to be driven to make sure that the generations coming behind you have it better than what you had.

00:56:42.000 That's why I get up every day, and that's why the name-calling and all the other Mickey Mouse stuff doesn't mean anything to me.

00:56:47.000 If you're not willing to sit down and have that intellectual debate, then you're irrelevant.

00:56:53.000 I don't hear names.

00:56:54.000 I've been shot at.

00:56:54.000 Names don't bother me.

00:56:58.000 I think that's another thing that on our side we've got to realize.

00:57:02.000 Forget about the name-calling.

00:57:04.000 If you stay focused on that goal and objective, if you know what your end state is, then you're going to get there.

00:57:11.000 The noise is just background noise.

00:57:16.000 So, Colonel West, I have one final question for you.

00:57:18.000 I want to ask you what advice you would give to a 16-year-old kid in the United States right now who feels like opportunity is kind of slipping away, whatever community they're in.

00:57:27.000 What would you say to them to inspire them to greatness?

00:57:30.000 And I'm going to ask you that question in just one second.

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00:57:39.000 You can hear the end of our conversation there.

00:57:40.000 Lieutenant Colonel West, thank you so much for stopping by.

00:57:42.000 Everybody should go pick up a copy of Hold Texas, Hold the Nation.

00:57:45.000 Colonel West, it really is an honor and a pleasure to have you.

00:57:46.000 Pleasure, Ben.

00:57:47.000 Ben.

00:57:47.000 Thank you.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - January 20, 2019

Allen West | The Ben Shapiro Show Sunday Special Ep. 34

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