The Ben Shapiro Show - American Horror Story | Ep. 832

00:00:00.000 Two mass shootings rock the nation, the media and Democrats blame Trump, and our social fabric continues to disintegrate.

00:00:06.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:06.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:08.000 What an absolutely horrifying morning to be talking about news and politics.

00:00:17.000 Obviously, this weekend was just devastating for the country for a variety of reasons.

00:00:22.000 Two mass shootings taking place, one in El Paso, Texas, the other in Dayton, Ohio.

00:00:27.000 As it turns out, there was also a mass shooting in Chicago.

00:00:31.000 We will get to all of those.

00:00:33.000 We should take these one at a time because they obviously have different motivations.

00:00:36.000 They obviously have different backgrounds.

00:00:38.000 There's been a lot of attempts to conflate all of these types of shootings under one broad rubric.

00:00:42.000 That is not going to suffice.

00:00:44.000 We have to get very specific about what exactly caused each of these shootings, who is to blame, what we do about it, and all of the rest.

00:00:50.000 So we begin today with the shooting that everybody is obviously talking about the most, and that is the shooting that happened in El Paso over the weekend.

00:00:57.000 According to NBC News, a gunman opened fire Saturday in a Walmart and around a nearby shopping mall in El Paso, Texas, leaving 20 people dead and 26 injured, law enforcement officials said.

00:01:07.000 In delivering an updated number of deceased, Governor Greg Abbott called it one of the most deadly days in the history of Texas.

00:01:12.000 He said 20 innocent people from El Paso have lost their lives.

00:01:16.000 It's an unbelievable number and it's just absolutely horrifying.

00:01:20.000 One of the big problems with the country right now is that when something truly terrible happens to the country, If you go on social media, if you talk with people around the country, not in person, but you just do it via social media or on the internet, very often the first thing that happens is everybody doubting everybody else's motives.

00:01:37.000 We need to start from the premise that when Americans die, an act of evil, that we're all on the same page. 0.52

00:01:43.000 Because we are.

00:01:44.000 We're all on the same page. 0.97

00:01:47.000 This is an act of absolute monstrous evil, and as it turns out, very specific type of evil, white supremacist evil. 0.99

00:01:54.000 And let me tell you, the white supremacists who are on the move right now, these absolute loser, evil pieces of human debris who are active on 4chan and 8chan, the people who are coordinating to create the impetus for attacks like this to murder innocent people. 1.00

00:02:13.000 This is a cancer. 1.00

00:02:14.000 It needs to be wiped out.

00:02:15.000 And I've been seeing a lot of people who are on the left doing this routine, where when people on the right say this sort of stuff, they, well, where were you?

00:02:21.000 I was here the whole time, guys.

00:02:22.000 I was here the whole time.

00:02:23.000 Many of us were. 0.54

00:02:24.000 Back in 2015, I was calling the Charleston shooter a white supremacist terrorist.

00:02:30.000 There are those of us who are fighting white supremacists and the adjacent alt-right for years on end.

00:02:36.000 For years on end. 0.96

00:02:38.000 And the attempt to play politics with this, to pretend that people aren't sincere in their opposition to white supremacy because they disagree with you about policy, is disgusting. 1.00

00:02:47.000 Because the fact is, white supremacists are evil. 1.00

00:02:50.000 I know it personally. 1.00

00:02:51.000 I've been fighting them personally for years.

00:02:54.000 I've expended hundreds of thousands of my own dollars on security because of the attacks that I have leveled against white supremacists.

00:03:00.000 Three months ago, the FBI arrested a white supremacist for attempting to kill my family and me. 0.96

00:03:04.000 So I'm fully aware of the white supremacist and how evil they are. 0.87

00:03:07.000 I've been writing about it for years on end.

00:03:09.000 Some of us have been part of this fight for quite a while.

00:03:11.000 And we should all be part of this fight. 1.00

00:03:13.000 Obviously, white supremacy is not only evil, it's anti-American, it's disgusting, it's a cancer that must be rooted out. 1.00

00:03:21.000 And again, this is not something that I am new to saying. 1.00

00:03:23.000 This is something that many of us on the right have been saying for quite a while, and for the media to pretend that's not the truth, as we'll see, is just a lie, and a vicious lie, and a politically driven vicious lie.

00:03:33.000 We're all on the same page.

00:03:34.000 A few things can be true at once.

00:03:36.000 One, We all mourn when something like what happened in El Paso happens. 0.92

00:03:41.000 Two, every person of decent heart thinks that white supremacy is a grave evil that must be fought and facedown and destroyed and eradicated. 0.75

00:03:50.000 We're all on the same page about that. 0.63

00:03:52.000 And three, just because we disagree about politics does not mean that one and two are invalid.

00:03:57.000 And finally, four, if you suggest that three is not true, that our disagreements about policy, are reflective, not of different ideas about the best possible solutions, but they're reflective of sympathies for evil, then you are part of the problem.

00:04:11.000 You're part of the problem in the country.

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00:05:27.000 Okay, so to get back to this white supremacist terror attack that happened, and again, this is not the first.

00:05:33.000 This happened at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh just a few weeks ago.

00:05:36.000 That was the white supremacist terror attack.

00:05:38.000 There was the white supremacist terror attack in Christchurch.

00:05:41.000 There's the white supremacist, there've been white supremacist terror attacks Of recent vintage going back to 2015 during the Charleston massacre inside a church. 0.96

00:05:50.000 But obviously white supremacy has a long history in the United States going all the way back to before the Civil War and the ownership of black folks. 0.97

00:05:57.000 And what we saw yesterday from white supremacists, or on Saturday, was obviously a grave act of white supremacist evil. 0.84

00:06:04.000 Law enforcement sources said that police identified the suspect.

00:06:07.000 Now, we on this show and on my website, Daily Wire, we refuse to identify suspects by name because we don't want to glorify them.

00:06:13.000 We don't want to glorify what they do because studies tend to show that there's a clustering effect that happens when you pay a lot of attention to the specific person and make them prominent and make them famous.

00:06:21.000 It's one of the things that they want.

00:06:23.000 So we don't mention their names here on the show.

00:06:25.000 Multiple senior law enforcement officials believe that this shooter posted a screed online just prior to the attack.

00:06:31.000 They say investigators are examining a posting they suspect is from him, and then they eventually, basically, confirmed it.

00:06:39.000 Okay, so this person released a manifesto.

00:06:41.000 Now, I'm not going to read this person's manifesto for the same reason that I'm not going to mention his name.

00:06:45.000 Because I don't believe, just as with the Christchurch manifesto, that we should be reposting these manifestos and giving them airplay.

00:06:52.000 I will, however, point out a couple of things about the manifesto specifically because they're going to come up in what we discuss.

00:06:58.000 As this guy's motives because as we will see the media were firmly fixed on putting this one on President Trump on suggesting that the shooting was directly the fault of President Trump and his rhetoric and his unwillingness to separate off supposed unwillingness to separate off from white supremacists.

00:07:14.000 And all of the rest.

00:07:15.000 The Walmart shooter manifesto suggested a couple of things.

00:07:18.000 One, this person suggested they support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto.

00:07:23.000 That means that the Christchurch manifesto has now been directly linked to three separate attacks.

00:07:27.000 There's this one, as well as the Tree of Life synagogue shooting, as well as the Christchurch shooting, obviously.

00:07:35.000 And this is an agglomeration of white supremacist memes about an invasion of our country. 0.97

00:07:40.000 This is some of the language that people are picking up on, is that this attacker, this evil piece of debris, who should be executed at the first available opportunity. 0.96

00:07:51.000 He suggests that this is a response to a quote-unquote Hispanic invasion of Texas, as we'll see. 0.99

00:07:56.000 This is then used by the media to suggest that anybody who is opposed to illegal immigration is in league with white supremacy, which is just disgusting and a lie.

00:08:04.000 The person goes on to talk about how if America allows increasing Hispanic population, then America will become a one-party state, the Democratic Party. 0.84

00:08:14.000 And this, of course, is used as an excuse to suggest that all Republicans agree with white supremacists about immigration, which, of course, is, again, a lie.

00:08:22.000 And then this shooter goes on to discuss how there are many Republicans who are pro-corporation, meaning pro-immigration, but those aren't the real defenders of America.

00:08:33.000 This person says immigration can only be detrimental to the future of America.

00:08:36.000 And then this person goes on to talk about the environment.

00:08:40.000 Now, that part is being ignored by the media, obviously, because environmentalism tends to be an affect of the left, whereas immigration restrictionism tends to be a right-wing thing these days.

00:08:51.000 The shooter suggests our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country.

00:08:54.000 This is creating a massive burden for future generations.

00:08:57.000 Person quotes the Lorax.

00:08:59.000 And then finally, this person suggests at the very end, in what is inconvenience to the narrative that President Trump is the cause of all of this, the person suggests at the very end that this has nothing to do with President Trump.

00:09:09.000 Says that his ideology has not changed for several years.

00:09:12.000 Says my opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president.

00:09:16.000 I put this here because some people will blame the president or certain presidential candidates for the attack.

00:09:21.000 This is not the case.

00:09:22.000 I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump's rhetoric.

00:09:26.000 The media is infamous for fake news.

00:09:28.000 So that is what we know about this particular shooter at this time.

00:09:34.000 As soon as the shooting happened, basically within 12 hours, there's another shooting.

00:09:39.000 And this one happened in Ohio.

00:09:41.000 The shooting in Ohio happened outside a bar in Dayton.

00:09:45.000 And a gunman wearing body armor opened fire at this Ohio bar, killing nine people.

00:09:52.000 The Ohio shooter was formally named.

00:09:55.000 Some of the victims include his 22-year-old sister.

00:09:58.000 Six of the nine victims were black.

00:10:00.000 Police have said they don't think it was targeted discrimination because of the short timeline of the massacre.

00:10:06.000 This shooter was killed by police in approximately 30 seconds after he opened fire with a .223 caliber rifle on innocent revelers enjoying a Saturday night out at 1 a.m.

00:10:14.000 according to The Sun.

00:10:16.000 The shooter's high school principal told the Dayton Daily News that the Ohio shooter was suspended from school for writing a hit list on a bathroom wall, sparking a lockdown.

00:10:25.000 So there have been some serious red flags about this, again, evil piece of debris, this evil piece of debris.

00:10:34.000 Politics were very different from the first Evil Piece of Debris's politics.

00:10:38.000 Heavy.com uncovered a bunch of information about this person.

00:10:43.000 That information includes the fact that he said he would happily vote for Elizabeth Warren, praise Satan, said he was upset about the 2016 presidential election results, retweeted a bunch of folks who are sort of political pundits and video cutters on the left.

00:10:57.000 He tweeted, I want socialism. 0.97

00:10:59.000 I'll not wait for idiots to finally come round to understanding So this person is obviously of the left. 1.00

00:11:06.000 Tweeted out things like vote blue for God's sake. 1.00

00:11:08.000 Tweeted out videos from prominent people on the left.

00:11:12.000 Now, as I have said, this has been my position on every one of these shootings going all the way back to a Bernie Sanders-backing Democrat who decided to shoot up congressional members at a congressional baseball game, or all the way back to a quasi-member of Black Lives Matter shooting up Dallas police officers back in 2015.

00:11:31.000 I've said for a long time, politicians and political pundits are not responsible for violence unless they actively call for violence.

00:11:37.000 Incitement.

00:11:37.000 One of the things we're seeing in the country right now is an attempt to paint speech you don't like as incitement.

00:11:42.000 Hey, folks on the left did not incite this person to violence.

00:11:46.000 And President Trump did not incite this shooter to do what he did in El Paso.

00:11:51.000 We have to have very strict standards intellectually for what counts as incitement.

00:11:54.000 Now, that is a different question from the appropriateness of language and from whether language is inflammatory.

00:12:00.000 I agree that language can be inflammatory and wrong, but that does not mean that it incites violence.

00:12:05.000 And failing to recognize the distinction between inflammatory and wrong and incites violence allows us to curb free speech.

00:12:11.000 It allows us to crack down on speech that we don't like.

00:12:13.000 It allows us to blame our political opponents, whether you're on the right or the left.

00:12:17.000 You can blame Elizabeth Warren for what happened in Ohio, but that would not be correct.

00:12:21.000 You can blame President Trump for what happened in El Paso.

00:12:23.000 That would similarly not be correct.

00:12:25.000 We cannot adjudicate whether language is inciting By the effect that it has on folks with what we would call in tort law, eggshell skulls.

00:12:36.000 We cannot judge whether a reasonable person would be incited by a piece of language based on what an unreasonable outlier does that is violent or evil.

00:12:45.000 Now again, that doesn't make the language right.

00:12:47.000 It doesn't make the language good.

00:12:48.000 Bernie Sanders' language wasn't right or good when he talked about how Republicans wanted to kill grandma.

00:12:53.000 Barack Obama's language was not right or good when he talked about how American police are endemically racist.

00:12:59.000 Donald Trump's language was not right or good when he talked about the alt-right or when he talked about Charlottesville.

00:13:05.000 That language was not right or good. 0.99

00:13:06.000 That is not the same thing as inciting violence.

00:13:08.000 And if we fail to make that distinction, we're going to end up in a really dark place in which we are calling on government to shut down free speech, in which we suggest that our political opponents are actually engaged in violence, when in actuality they're engaged in language that makes the country worse and is bad, no question, but that does not actually incite violence.

00:13:25.000 We'll get to more of this in a second, because it turns out that there were some more shootings over the weekend as well.

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00:14:40.000 So again, I want to give you all the facts of the shootings themselves, and then we'll get into the reaction, which has been terrible pretty much across the board.

00:14:49.000 So the final shootings that happen were, of course, the shootings that happen nearly every weekend in the city of Chicago that we are supposed to ignore and which the media certainly will ignore.

00:14:58.000 So you have 20 dead in El Paso, and that, of course, deserves as much media attention And then we have nine dead in Dayton, Ohio, and that, of course, deserves as much media attention as it's getting.

00:15:08.000 And then we have seven killed and 46 wounded in weekend shootings in Chicago.

00:15:12.000 And this happens nearly every weekend in Chicago.

00:15:15.000 And this, of course, will get no attention.

00:15:16.000 According to CBS, dozens of people were shot in Chicago over the weekend, including two mass shootings in less than three hours on Sunday.

00:15:22.000 In all, seven people were killed, 46 others were wounded in shootings since Friday evening, more than a dozen people were wounded, one of them fatally, in a pair of mass shootings in the Lawndale neighborhood early on Sunday.

00:15:33.000 Apparently these were just dispute-related, possibly gang-related.

00:15:38.000 It is unclear exactly what the cause of it was.

00:15:41.000 So because the media tend to look into causes in order to generate narratives, They're going to cover the Chicago shootings, not at all.

00:15:52.000 They will cover the Ohio shootings a little bit more, but not much more, because the Ohio shootings, again, were perpetrated by somebody who was on the political left and probably suffered from some sort of mental illness.

00:16:04.000 And then there's the white supremacist shooting in El Paso, Texas, and that's going to drive nearly all the media coverage this week, which does show the disparity in how seriously the media actually take gun violence in the country.

00:16:14.000 And the fact is that what happens in Chicago is much more typical of gun violence in the United States.

00:16:21.000 That is much more typical than what happened in Dayton, Ohio or what happened in El Paso.

00:16:25.000 But the media are going to focus in on what happened in El Paso because the fact is that that backs a particular narrative.

00:16:30.000 That narrative is that America is filled with white supremacists and that President Trump has forwarded all of that.

00:16:35.000 And so you're going to see a vast disparity between the amount of coverage on the Ohio shooter And his politics?

00:16:41.000 And the amount of coverage on Texas?

00:16:43.000 And you're gonna see virtually no coverage of what happens in Chicago nearly every weekend.

00:16:46.000 So for folks who say they take gun violence seriously, the answer is, if you're only taking what happened in El Paso seriously, but you're ignoring Ohio, and more than that, you're ignoring Chicago, you're not taking gun violence seriously.

00:16:56.000 It's possible you're taking white supremacy seriously, and that, of course, deserves to be taken seriously on its own terms.

00:17:02.000 But let's be honest about what exactly it is that we are taking seriously, and what is the narrative that is being performed.

00:17:07.000 Now, we should take all of these things seriously.

00:17:09.000 All of them.

00:17:10.000 Again, white supremacy should be taken as seriously. 0.99

00:17:13.000 It is a form of terrorism. 1.00

00:17:14.000 White supremacist terrorism is terrorism. 0.99

00:17:16.000 It should be treated as terrorism. 0.97

00:17:18.000 Now there are certain differences from, for example, ISIS.

00:17:20.000 I see people saying that white supremacism should be treated the same as ISIS.

00:17:24.000 White supremacism is an ideology. 0.74

00:17:24.000 ISIS is a group. 0.74

00:17:27.000 So it's not state-sponsored, for example, white supremacism.

00:17:30.000 But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be opening the floodgates on the sort of resources that we use on terrorism to be used against white supremacism.

00:17:37.000 We should.

00:17:38.000 Those boards, the 8chan boards, the 4chan boards, I've been saying for years at this point that I hope the feds are monitoring those places.

00:17:45.000 I hope the feds are on top of it.

00:17:46.000 They should be monitoring those places.

00:17:47.000 This is where the incipient violence is happening.

00:17:50.000 We, of course, should be unleashing all of the resources available to us on a law enforcement basis to fight this, and on a cultural basis.

00:17:57.000 We should be calling out white supremacism wherever we see it.

00:18:00.000 We should be shouting from the rooftops about how evil this stuff is.

00:18:04.000 Some of us have been doing this.

00:18:06.000 At the cost, as I say, of hundreds of thousands of dollars in our own security.

00:18:09.000 Some of us have been doing this.

00:18:11.000 So that is backdrop.

00:18:13.000 President Trump reacts to all this, and then we're going to see where the media, where people decided to go for all this.

00:18:17.000 Because it seems to me that everything that I've said so far on the show should be basically inarguable.

00:18:22.000 We should all agree with all of this. 0.97

00:18:23.000 White supremacism, evil. 0.99

00:18:25.000 Mass shootings need to be stopped. 0.82

00:18:27.000 We can disagree about the ways to stop mass shootings, but we should discuss the various ways to solve mass shootings.

00:18:32.000 We're not going to discuss any of them.

00:18:33.000 Instead, there will be political pandering galore and blame cast in all of the wrong places for political reasons.

00:18:40.000 The media have an interest, unfortunately, in putting certain types of narratives at the expense of other types of narratives.

00:18:46.000 We're going to see a vast disparity in the amount of coverage now that it's obvious what happened in Ohio.

00:18:50.000 We're going to see a vast disparity between the coverage of Ohio and what happened in El Paso, Texas.

00:18:56.000 So President Trump reacts this morning to what happened in El Paso.

00:19:01.000 And here is what the president had to say.

00:19:03.000 The shooter in El Paso posted a manifesto online consumed by racist hate.

00:19:11.000 In one voice, our nation must condemn racism.

00:19:15.000 Bigotry and white supremacy.

00:19:18.000 These sinister ideologies must be defeated. 0.79

00:19:22.000 Hate has no place in America.

00:19:25.000 Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart and devours the soul.

00:19:32.000 Now, as we will see, folks in the media, they don't care what President Trump actually said this morning.

00:19:36.000 They're going to go with the narrative that President Trump is responsible for what happened in El Paso.

00:19:42.000 Now, again, they don't hold to the same logic.

00:19:44.000 They don't.

00:19:45.000 I think that President Trump's language on the alt-right in 2015 and 2016 was bad.

00:19:49.000 I think it was egregious, in fact.

00:19:51.000 Okay, but they do not hold to the same standard with regard to President Trump that they do with regard to other politicians.

00:19:57.000 So Bernie Sanders is not responsible for the congressional baseball shooting.

00:20:00.000 Elizabeth Warren is not responsible for what happened in Ohio.

00:20:03.000 Barack Obama is not responsible for what happened in Dallas.

00:20:06.000 But President Trump is responsible for what happened in El Paso, according to the esteemed members of our media.

00:20:10.000 And it doesn't matter that even at Charlottesville, where Trump came under heavy criticism from people like me for not being sufficient in his condemnation of all of the people who are marching in that tiki torch ceremony on Friday night, on that Friday night.

00:20:24.000 Where President Trump said there are good people on both sides, and he did not mean of the Confederate flag debate.

00:20:29.000 Go back and look at the transcripts.

00:20:30.000 I know there's this revisionist history going around.

00:20:32.000 That is not what he said.

00:20:33.000 He said there were good people on both sides of those marches.

00:20:36.000 He made up in his own head a group of people marching with the white supremacists.

00:20:41.000 But he also, we must note, he did say at the time that he did not mean the white supremacists.

00:20:46.000 He did not mean the neo-Nazis.

00:20:47.000 He did condemn them at the time.

00:20:50.000 The folks in the media are suggesting that Trump is responsible for every act of shooting, every shooting that happens.

00:20:57.000 He's responsible for it.

00:20:58.000 And as we'll see, members of the media are now claiming that anybody who supports him is responsible for what happened at the Tree of Life Synagogue or what happened in El Paso, Texas.

00:21:06.000 And that is disgusting, it's egregious, it's cynical, and it's obvious.

00:21:09.000 We all know what you're doing. 0.53

00:21:11.000 And we'll see, this has become the media nerve.

00:21:12.000 So Trump came out this morning and made a strong statement against white supremacism.

00:21:16.000 Is that going to help him?

00:21:18.000 Of course it won't.

00:21:19.000 Not with the people who are trying to pin this on President Trump, of course. 0.92

00:21:22.000 President Trump went on and he suggested that this is not a gun problem, this is a mental illness and hate problem.

00:21:28.000 Which, again, I think is obviously true, considering there are something like 300, 400 million guns in the United States, and these shootings are carried out by lone individuals, not by vast waves of individuals across the country.

00:21:40.000 We must reform our mental health laws to better identify mentally disturbed individuals who may commit acts of violence and make sure those people not only get treatment, but when necessary, involuntary confinement. 0.72

00:21:58.000 Mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun.

00:22:03.000 This, of course, is true. 0.99

00:22:04.000 We'll get to more of what President Trump had to say in just one second.

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00:23:16.000 Okay, so President Trump continues along these lines.

00:23:18.000 He says that our nation is overcome with shock, horror, and sorrow, which obviously is true. 1.00

00:23:23.000 Fellow Americans, this morning, our nation is overcome with shock, horror, and sorrow.

00:23:30.000 This weekend, more than 80 people were killed or wounded in two evil attacks.

00:23:37.000 Okay, and then the president went on to talk about what he wanted to do about it. 0.94

00:23:41.000 He directed the DOJ to propose legislation putting the death penalty on white supremacists who commit terror attacks.

00:23:49.000 Today, I'm also directing the Department of Justice to propose legislation ensuring that those who commit hate crimes and mass murders face the death penalty and that this capital punishment be delivered quickly, decisively, and without years of needless delay.

00:24:11.000 Okay, and then Trump called on everybody to set aside partisanship and move forward with some common solutions.

00:24:17.000 Good luck with that.

00:24:18.000 Now is the time to set destructive partisanship aside, so destructive, and find the courage to answer hatred with unity, devotion, and love.

00:24:32.000 OK, so this was all the predicate.

00:24:34.000 This is all the baseline where, again, we should all agree with what the president is saying.

00:24:38.000 You don't have to like the president to agree with what he's saying.

00:24:40.000 The words coming out of his mouth today are the correct words.

00:24:43.000 That is obvious.

00:24:44.000 But as we will see, as we will see, what's actually happening is is something truly ugly in the country, and that is an attempt To not only blame Trump for what happened in El Paso, but to suggest that anyone who agrees with anything Trump has done policy-wise is responsible for the mass shooting of innocents.

00:25:03.000 And this is cynical. 0.95

00:25:05.000 It is disgusting. 0.97

00:25:06.000 It is un-American. 0.99

00:25:08.000 It is wrong.

00:25:10.000 And we'll see.

00:25:11.000 It's a very common tactic.

00:25:12.000 It's not just a tactic being used by presidential candidates.

00:25:15.000 It's a tactic that is now being used by members of the media on a broad scale.

00:25:19.000 And then I do want to talk about some possible solutions, things that we can do to stop all of this.

00:25:24.000 Because we're seeing the same sort of solutions being proposed over and over.

00:25:27.000 Assault weapons bans, the sort of policies that didn't work back from 1994 to 2004 when there was an assault weapons ban in place.

00:25:34.000 You hear people talk about video games.

00:25:35.000 Again, not a lot of evidence linking video games to mass shootings.

00:25:38.000 We'll get to all of that in just a second.

00:25:40.000 Okay, so...

00:25:41.000 All of this is backdrop to how people reacted.

00:25:44.000 And I promise you that all of this is going to get worse.

00:25:47.000 If the theory is that inflamma... Again, here's my theory. 1.00

00:25:50.000 Incitement is a specific standard.

00:25:52.000 You did not incite violence unless you called for violence.

00:25:55.000 However, inflammatory language can boil the pot to the point that there's bubbles jumping out of the pot.

00:26:02.000 That there are sparks that are jumping out from beneath the pot.

00:26:05.000 And as the heat, as the rhetoric turns up, The inevitable side effect is going to be that there are people with eggshell skulls who go out and do stuff.

00:26:13.000 That does not mean that the people who are speaking in inflammatory but non-inciting terms are responsible for the incitement.

00:26:20.000 It does mean that you can expect that things are going to get worse in the country, both in terms of violence and in terms of politics, when we scream at each other and yell at each other and blame each other for incidents like this.

00:26:32.000 And when we don't all speak out forcefully against evil when we see it.

00:26:36.000 It is the responsibility, the sheer and absolute responsibility of every decent human being in the United States to shout out, to cry out about the evils of white supremacy, to target white supremacy, to cut it out amongst your friends.

00:26:52.000 Now I doubt how there are many people in my audience who have friends who are white supremacists.

00:26:56.000 I really doubt that.

00:26:57.000 But if you see the beginnings of it, quash it in the bud.

00:27:00.000 Fight it at every step.

00:27:02.000 It's not funny.

00:27:02.000 Fight it.

00:27:03.000 It's not memery. 0.98

00:27:04.000 It's disgusting.

00:27:04.000 It's been disgusting since 2015-2016.

00:27:06.000 Again, when I was the number one target of white supremacists online in the United States in 2016.

00:27:11.000 So I'm very familiar with these pieces of bleep. 1.00

00:27:16.000 Very familiar.

00:27:17.000 So in any case, one of the other things that happens, and this is not going to make anything better, is the attempt to lump in everyone who disagrees with you with a class of people who want to commit violence against others.

00:27:28.000 Because what that really does is it suggests that anybody who you disagree with is an enemy to be fought.

00:27:33.000 Because if we believe that white supremacism is a cancer, and then you label anyone you disagree with a white supremacist, what you're saying is that everyone you disagree with is part of the cancer.

00:27:42.000 So this starts off over the weekend with various Democratic politicians campaigning for president, blaming Trump for the shootings in a way that nobody has ever blamed Barack Obama, nor should they, for the shooting of police officers in Dallas. 0.86

00:27:54.000 Nobody's ever blamed Bernie Sanders for the shooting of Congress people, elected Congress people, at a congressional baseball game in Virginia.

00:28:02.000 Rightly, people have not blamed Bernie Sanders for that.

00:28:05.000 People are not blaming Elizabeth Warren for the Ohio shooting, as they should not.

00:28:08.000 People are not blaming members of the media who are retweeted.

00:28:12.000 By this Ohio shooter for all of this, as they should not.

00:28:15.000 But Trump.

00:28:17.000 Again, I'll rip his language as much as the next, more than the next guy, okay? 1.00

00:28:20.000 I've spent my career doing it for the last several years.

00:28:22.000 When the president is, when Trump is wrong and when he says something vile, I say that he is wrong and says something vile.

00:28:27.000 That is not the same thing as doing what folks on the left are doing, which are, I mean, Beto O'Rourke went out there and said that Trump is a white nationalist or white supremacist.

00:28:34.000 There is no evidence of that.

00:28:36.000 The best evidence of any of this, the worst you can say about Trump, is that he has failed to adequately condemn white supremacy and the alt-right.

00:28:44.000 And I think that for 2015, 2016, that was true.

00:28:46.000 I don't think that that is true for 2018, 2019.

00:28:48.000 Still, that was a grave evil.

00:28:51.000 But that is not the same thing as saying he is a white supremacist or white nationalist.

00:28:55.000 And Beto didn't stop there, of course.

00:28:57.000 Beto, then when he said that it was Trump, Trump is a white nationalist, and then he blamed Fox News.

00:29:03.000 So let me get this straight. 0.98

00:29:05.000 If you are President Trump and you say that the news is fake news because they tolerate garbage like this, Then you're very bad and you're attacking the press. 0.66

00:29:12.000 But if Beto O'Rourke says that Fox News is responsible for mass shootings in El Paso, that is not an attack on the press, that is just him being a rational, reasonable human being. 0.96

00:29:20.000 Here's Beto O'Rourke, desperate for attention, and saying something truly awful.

00:29:23.000 This president is encouraging greater racism, and not just the racist rhetoric, but the violence that so often follows.

00:29:32.000 Do you think President Trump is a white nationalist?

00:29:34.000 Yes, I do.

00:29:36.000 And again, from some of the record that I just recited to you, the things that he has said, both as a candidate and then as the President of the United States, this cannot be open for debate.

00:29:51.000 He is saying that some people are inherently defective or dangerous, reminiscent of something that you might hear in the Third Reich, not something that you expect in the United States of America.

00:30:01.000 He is an open, avowed racist and is encouraging more racism in this country. 0.99

00:30:06.000 Okay, this is pathetic. 1.00

00:30:08.000 I understand that Beto O'Rourke is riding in 3% of the polls, but this is pathetic. 0.99

00:30:13.000 I don't know how to attribute this to an honest mind. 0.77

00:30:16.000 So I have two choices here.

00:30:17.000 Either he honestly thinks this, in which case he is disturbed, or he does not believe this, in which case he is a cynical politician desperate for attention.

00:30:26.000 So I don't think he's disturbed.

00:30:28.000 I think this is a cynical ploy.

00:30:29.000 I don't think that he really believes that Trump is a white nationalist.

00:30:34.000 He may believe that Trump is insensitive on race. 0.93

00:30:36.000 He may believe that deep down Trump is a racist. 0.97

00:30:39.000 By calling him a white nationalist, somebody who wants to get all the brown and black people out of the country, there is no evidence, like none, no evidence of that whatsoever. 0.98

00:30:48.000 The media go back. 0.97

00:30:48.000 And we'll see. 0.97

00:30:49.000 They take some of Trump's comments out of context.

00:30:51.000 Again, I've ripped Trump when I think his language is wrong. 0.98

00:30:54.000 But the suggestion that Trump is himself a white supremacist or white nationalist who is responsible for a white supremacist shooting in El Paso is insane. 0.95

00:31:02.000 And O'Rourke doubled down on this. 0.88

00:31:03.000 Clip 20.

00:31:04.000 He was asked by the press and he lost it, supposedly.

00:31:08.000 He lost it.

00:31:09.000 He's in El Paso for some sort of event, obviously commemorating the people who had been murdered.

00:31:14.000 And here's what he had to say. 0.98

00:31:16.000 He's been calling Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals. 1.00

00:31:20.000 I don't know, like, members of the press, what the f***? 1.00

00:31:23.000 Hold on a second. 0.90

00:31:25.000 You know, it's these questions that you know the answers to.

00:31:29.000 I mean, connect the dots about what he's been doing in this country.

00:31:33.000 He's not tolerating racism, he's promoting racism.

00:31:36.000 Again, this is...

00:31:40.000 It's tiresome.

00:31:41.000 You can criticize Trump's rhetoric.

00:31:44.000 And in many cases, you should.

00:31:46.000 Go back to my show two weeks ago.

00:31:47.000 I ripped him a new one for his tweet about the squad.

00:31:50.000 And I despise the squad.

00:31:52.000 I thought that was really bad, xenophobic stuff. 0.99

00:31:55.000 But, by the way, he did not suggest that all Mexican immigrants are rapists and murderers. 0.98

00:31:59.000 He did not do that. 0.93

00:32:00.000 When people say that he uses the infestation language about illegal immigration, he was specifically referring to MS-13.

00:32:07.000 When they say things like, well, he called immigrants animals, he was specifically referring to MS-13.

00:32:11.000 If you want to find aspects of President Trump saying awful, awful things, you don't have to dig this far.

00:32:16.000 And you don't have to mischaracterize what he had to say.

00:32:18.000 But the attempt to blame him for every act of evil that happens in the United States, as we'll see, is really not about Trump.

00:32:25.000 It's really about something broader.

00:32:26.000 If it were really about Trump, then presumably when Trump starts ripping into white supremacy, you'd be saying, good, I'm glad he's doing that. 0.92

00:32:32.000 But that's not what the left is doing.

00:32:34.000 Instead, what the left is doing is they are attempting to link what he says with policies they don't like and then say anybody who supports those policies is now responsible for white supremacy.

00:32:43.000 And it was not just Beto O'Rourke over the weekend.

00:32:45.000 It was not just Beto O'Rourke over the weekend.

00:32:47.000 As we'll see, it was Cory Booker, and Elizabeth Warren, and Julian Castro, and Bernie Sanders, and all the- and it was members of the media.

00:32:53.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:33:11.000 It wasn't just Beto, of course.

00:33:20.000 Cory Booker, who is also riding low in the polls, went on CNN and suggested that President Trump is responsible for all of this.

00:33:26.000 I think that at the end of the day, especially because this was a white supremacist manifesto, that I want to say with more moral clarity that Donald Trump is responsible for this.

00:33:39.000 He's responsible because he is stoking fears and hatred and bigotry.

00:33:44.000 He is responsible because he's failing to condemn white supremacy and see it as it is, which is responsible for such a significant amount of the terrorist attacks.

00:33:54.000 Okay, I'll explain in a second why this is so radically dishonest.

00:33:57.000 It's radically dishonest for a couple of reasons.

00:33:58.000 One, it is radically dishonest because, again, nobody blamed Obama for the Dallas police shooting because he was not responsible for the Dallas police shooting.

00:34:05.000 Nobody blamed Bernie Sanders for the shooting in Virginia because he was not responsible for the shootings in Virginia.

00:34:10.000 And Trump is not resp— Trump is not calling on people to go shoot Mexican-Americans at an El Paso Walmart.

00:34:17.000 Nobody is- Where are you getting that?

00:34:19.000 Where- Again, I can- This is a major distinction.

00:34:22.000 I can hate a lot of Trump's rhetoric. 0.99

00:34:24.000 I can think a lot of Trump's rhetoric sucks and is gross. 1.00

00:34:26.000 I can think- I can think it's xenophobic. 1.00

00:34:28.000 I can even think that some of it is racist.

00:34:30.000 Like when he talked about a Mexican judge back in 2016 being unqualified because he was Mexican and was going to discriminate against him and all of this.

00:34:37.000 That is not the same thing as he promoted murder at a Walmart in El Paso.

00:34:41.000 It's not.

00:34:42.000 Okay, and all these same Democrats were defending Al Sharpton five minutes ago.

00:34:45.000 Al Sharpton actively incited riots twice in New York City.

00:34:50.000 And all these people were defending him.

00:34:51.000 So spare me your crocodile tears now when you suggest that inflammatory language is responsible for violence.

00:34:58.000 Either it is or it's not.

00:35:00.000 And obviously, it only is if it's one side of the aisle, according to Democrats.

00:35:03.000 My feeling, again, for the one millionth time on this show and others, incitement is incitement when it is incitement, when you're calling on somebody to commit acts of violence.

00:35:12.000 Al Sharpton actually did that back during the Freddy's Fashion Mart routine and back during the Crown Heights routine, allegedly.

00:35:19.000 But the fact is that this is more political than anything else, as we will see, because as we'll see, it's not an obvious attempt to make the country better by rooting out bad rhetoric.

00:35:29.000 As we'll see, this is connected to something deeper, okay?

00:35:31.000 Elizabeth Warren then rips into Fox News. 1.00

00:35:33.000 Now, she's not ripping into Trump anymore.

00:35:35.000 Now she's ripping into Fox News.

00:35:36.000 Quote, we need to call it out. 0.74

00:35:37.000 Fox News is a hate for profit machine that gives a megaphone to racists and conspiracists.

00:35:42.000 Weird, CNN had on Richard Spencer like a week and a half ago to rip on Trump.

00:35:47.000 So isn't that interesting?

00:35:48.000 But Elizabeth Warren, again, is this an attack on the press?

00:35:51.000 Is the idea that Fox News is responsible for this now?

00:35:55.000 This sort of mentality is what leads to exactly the sort of free speech crackdowns that so many people in America are afraid of.

00:36:03.000 Fox News is now responsible for a shooting in El Paso, despite no evidence linking Fox News to the shooting in El Paso.

00:36:09.000 Bernie Sanders did the same thing.

00:36:10.000 And Bernie Sanders is the last person who should talk about this, given the fact that a guy spouting his rhetoric shot a bunch of Congress members just a couple of years ago.

00:36:17.000 But here is Bernie Sanders suggesting that Trump's racist rhetoric is a sign to take up arms.

00:36:22.000 Look, I am sure that President Trump does not want anybody in this country to go around shooting other people.

00:36:29.000 But what he has got to understand is that when you have language that is racist, That is virulently anti-immigrant.

00:36:39.000 There are mentally unstable people in this country who see that as a sign to do terrible, terrible things.

00:36:47.000 So I think the president has got to stop that racism and that xenophobia immediately.

00:36:55.000 I agree that Trump's rhetoric has been wrong many, many times.

00:37:01.000 But Bernie Sanders suggesting that inflammatory rhetoric is the cause of violence?

00:37:05.000 Kind of kind of rich coming from, again, a person whose rhetoric was heavily involved in inspiring, according to Bernie Sanders's own standard, a shooting of Congress members.

00:37:16.000 I understand that that was out of the out of the news in like a week.

00:37:19.000 Because, of course, it was a person of the left who had committed this this heinous act.

00:37:25.000 But again, you got to have some sort of consistency here.

00:37:27.000 Now, the media response to this has just been It has been insane, almost fully insane.

00:37:33.000 So let's start with Reza Aslan.

00:37:36.000 So if the idea here is that we all need to come out and condemn white supremacy, then when people do it, wouldn't you be happy?

00:37:41.000 Well, Reza Aslan was a former CNN commentator, did some documentaries with CNN.

00:37:48.000 Kellyanne Conway tweeted out, we need to come together, America.

00:37:51.000 Finger pointing, name calling, screaming with your keyboards is easy, yet it solves not a single problem, saves not a single life.

00:37:56.000 Working as one to understand depraved evil and to eradicate hate is everybody's duty.

00:38:00.000 Unity, let's do this.

00:38:02.000 Reza Aslan immediately responded, you are the depraved evil we need to eradicate. 0.99

00:38:06.000 So Kellyanne Conway is the depraved evil we need to eradicate. 0.99

00:38:09.000 And this is, as you'll see, the bleed over from Trump's rhetoric is bad and harmful to everybody on the right is responsible for this. 0.99

00:38:17.000 Everyone I disagree with is a terrorist inspirer.

00:38:20.000 Was very quick from the media, very, very fast.

00:38:24.000 Reza Aslan then tweeted out, after today, there is no longer any room for nuance. 0.99

00:38:27.000 The president is a white nationalist terror leader. 0.99

00:38:30.000 His supporter, he's a really bad white nationalist terror leader, considering that he came out today and gave a full speech about how evil white supremacy is. 1.00

00:38:37.000 Very bad at his job. 0.99

00:38:39.000 Reza Aslan says his supporters, all of them, are by definition white nationalist terror supporters. 0.99

00:38:44.000 The MAGA hat is a KKK hood, and this evil racist scourge must be eradicated from society. 1.00

00:38:49.000 Obviously, he's either insane or he's wildly intellectually dishonest. 0.99

00:38:53.000 I think that it is the latter, because I don't think that Aslan is insane. 1.00

00:38:56.000 But the notion that every single person in the United States who voted for Trump or plans on voting for him in 2020 backs racist shootings in an El Paso Walmart is patently disgusting and ridiculous. 0.95

00:39:09.000 And this was the line from a lot of folks in the media yesterday. 0.93

00:39:13.000 And again, they're applying standards that they would never apply to folks on their own side of the aisle.

00:39:17.000 So here's Anderson Cooper suggesting, well, you know, white supremacists are copying Trump's words.

00:39:20.000 That means that Trump is responsible.

00:39:23.000 The alleged killer, who, as always, we're not naming, traveled more than 600 miles from his home near Dallas, Texas, to a city that's more than 80% Hispanic.

00:39:32.000 His name is on a hate-filled manifesto posted on the website 8chan shortly before the killing began.

00:39:38.000 It is hard to ignore the fact that they echo, sometimes even using the exact same language, some of the themes of this president of a nation under siege, being invaded, facing an infestation.

00:39:51.000 These are the president's words and they can't be denied.

00:39:53.000 Okay, so if the standard is that there's an evil person who went and did an evil thing and was quoting other people and they're responsible for his evil, then maybe we should talk about that ice attack that happened a couple of weeks ago where a person attempted to attack an ice facility while quoting Alexander Ocasio-Cortez and calling it a concentration camp.

00:40:09.000 Oh, we didn't do any media coverage of that?

00:40:11.000 I wonder why.

00:40:12.000 I wonder why.

00:40:13.000 Again, there is no common standard.

00:40:14.000 It's not whataboutism.

00:40:15.000 Okay, whataboutism is where you say that the rhetoric is good.

00:40:18.000 I've said the rhetoric is bad all the way through here.

00:40:21.000 And I've been condemning Trump's rhetoric on a wide variety of scores for years.

00:40:26.000 So it's not about that.

00:40:27.000 And I've been condemning AOC's rhetoric and Sanders' rhetoric and a lot of this kind of stuff.

00:40:31.000 But I also have a common standard, which is that AOC and Bernie Sanders and Obama and Trump are not responsible for the actions of evil outliers who go and do evil things that the people who said stuff never would have approved in the first place, obviously.

00:40:45.000 But the media don't hold that same standard.

00:40:47.000 They don't.

00:40:48.000 At all.

00:40:49.000 ABC News did the same thing.

00:40:50.000 They had a panel yesterday in which everybody sort of suggested that Trump has to answer for the mass shootings.

00:40:55.000 Again, same people.

00:40:56.000 Nothing.

00:40:57.000 When it was Obama and when it was Dallas police officers being gunned down in the streets, then it wasn't Obama has to answer for anything.

00:41:03.000 Then it was we have a systemic problem of violence and distrust between blacks and whites and problems with law enforcement and all the rest. 0.85

00:41:10.000 Lack of a consistent standard is one of the things that raises the temperature.

00:41:15.000 It's not just that the media are wrong here.

00:41:16.000 It's that if they are talking about raising the level of tension in the country, it is true that the media raise the level of attention with double standards, with attempts to lump in everybody who they don't like, with people who commit acts of heinous evil.

00:41:30.000 Here's ABC doing this.

00:41:32.000 Is it fair, John, to tie the president to this violence?

00:41:37.000 Well, Dan, whether or not it's fair, he's going to have to answer those questions.

00:41:42.000 The bottom line is this president has had a rhetoric on immigration and on immigrants that has been deeply divisive.

00:41:51.000 So I love this.

00:41:52.000 Whether it's fair or not, he's going to have to answer those questions.

00:41:55.000 Well, really?

00:41:55.000 Because who's asking them?

00:41:57.000 Would that be you?

00:41:58.000 Because it seems to me that you should answer the question as to whether it's fair before he said, well, regardless, he's going to have to answer those questions.

00:42:04.000 Bernie Sanders didn't have to answer questions and neither did Obama.

00:42:07.000 If you want to ask those questions, fine, but they need to be evenly applied.

00:42:10.000 Otherwise, there's no standard.

00:42:11.000 And this undermines trust in the media and undermines trust in each other.

00:42:14.000 It means that we believe that it means that we on the right believe that you guys are being cynical, that you don't actually wish to wipe out white supremacism nearly as much as you wish to lump in people on the right with white supremacists so that you can come after everybody on the right.

00:42:28.000 And I think there's fairly good evidence that there are members of the left who are cynically using this for that purpose, which makes me sad.

00:42:34.000 We're all on the same godly page.

00:42:37.000 We should be on the same page.

00:42:39.000 This is not difficult.

00:42:41.000 The Washington Post has a headline today.

00:42:43.000 How do you stop these people?

00:42:44.000 Trump's anti-immigrant rhetoric looms over El Paso massacre.

00:42:47.000 Again, I've condemned nearly every point that Trump has ever said about this.

00:42:52.000 But that does not mean that Trump is responsible for the El Paso massacre.

00:42:56.000 This is an important, important point.

00:42:58.000 And let's point something out.

00:42:59.000 Here's where the rubber meets the road.

00:43:01.000 Where is all of this going?

00:43:03.000 Here's where all of this going.

00:43:04.000 So the Washington Post runs an editorial today from the editorial board talking about how Trump is very, very, very mean and very, very bad.

00:43:12.000 And they start off like this.

00:43:13.000 We know by now not to waste time calling on President Trump to do the right thing.

00:43:17.000 He sows division and bigotry rather than promoting unity and understanding.

00:43:21.000 Whatever he promises, in the crunch, he capitulates to the gun lobby.

00:43:24.000 And there it is, right?

00:43:26.000 There it is.

00:43:27.000 In order for Trump to buy off the left, in order for Trump to Oh, to be allowed to suggest that he is anti-white supremacy.

00:43:36.000 He has to access.

00:43:37.000 He has to acquiesce to all of their particular policy preferences.

00:43:43.000 So they write a sample speech for Trump.

00:43:44.000 And here's what The Washington Post wishes he would say, quote, My fellow Americans, these are dark days and nights of August.

00:43:50.000 A weekend, a time Americans gather at the beach, the mall, a music festival, has brought us horror. 0.99

00:43:55.000 Let us resolve to transform our great anguish into action, permanent and effective action.

00:43:59.000 This horror will no longer be normal in our country.

00:44:02.000 Today, I'm calling on Washington, I'm calling on Congress to return to Washington for an immediate joint session to give up their district politicking and take action to combat gun violence.

00:44:11.000 An active ban on sales of military-style assault rifles, as well as high-capacity magazines.

00:44:16.000 This weapon was made for war.

00:44:18.000 It doesn't belong on our streets.

00:44:19.000 Make background checks mandatory.

00:44:20.000 So, in other words, for Trump to buy off the Washington Post, it's not about him condemning white supremacy, or fighting white supremacy, or sicking the DOJ on white supremacy.

00:44:32.000 Or monitoring 8chan.

00:44:33.000 It's not about any of those things.

00:44:35.000 It's about him embracing the proper gun control policies.

00:44:37.000 And Charles Blow does the same thing at the New York Times today.

00:44:39.000 Quote, Terror and policy, two sides of white nationalism. 0.92

00:44:43.000 The white supremacist terrorists and the white supremacist policymakers share the same mission.

00:44:49.000 Charles Blow, official columnist on the editorial board over at the New York Times, suggesting that the white supremacist who shot up a Walmart in El Paso is the same at root as white policymakers in Congress who happen to be Republican. 0.84

00:45:03.000 Hey, you wonder why I don't trust your take on white supremacy?

00:45:06.000 Because of your suggestion, perhaps, that if I am in favor of more restrictions on illegal immigration on the border, that I'm in the same basket as a guy who just shot up a Walmart.

00:45:15.000 Maybe that's why we don't trust you and the media to set these standards.

00:45:18.000 Maybe that's why Republicans won't appear on CNN, you guys.

00:45:22.000 Charles Blow says, Is this stochastic terrorism at play, in which rhetoric by some incites action by others?

00:45:28.000 Possibly.

00:45:30.000 There's no doubt that Trump and Republicans are making poisonous anti-immigrant rhetoric part of their platforms, but I think laying all the blame at their feet is too convenient and simplistic. 0.61

00:45:38.000 I think a better way to look at it is to understand that white nationalist terrorists, young and rash, and white nationalist policymakers, older and more methodical, live on parallel planes, both aiming in the same direction, both with the same goal, to maintain and ensure white dominance and white supremacy.

00:45:54.000 That policymakers believe they can accomplish with legislation in the legal system what the terrorists are trying to underscore with lead.

00:46:00.000 In the mind of the policymakers, border walls, anti-immigrant laws, voter suppression, and packing the courts are more prudent and permanent than bodies in the street. 0.78

00:46:07.000 But try telling that to a young white terrorist who distrusts everyone in Washington.

00:46:12.000 The terrorists want to do quickly what the policymakers insist must be done slowly so the terrorists stew in their anger. 0.85

00:46:20.000 So in other words, I mean, the end of this column is so morally egregious.

00:46:25.000 Charles Blow is morally bankrupt.

00:46:26.000 Morally bankrupt on the highest level. 0.97

00:46:29.000 What a disgusting column.

00:46:30.000 He says, it's not simply a matter of whether Trump's rhetoric or any other politician led these shooters to do what they did.

00:46:35.000 Maybe.

00:46:36.000 It is also about recognizing that all of these people are on the same team and share the same mission and eat from the same philosophical trough.

00:46:43.000 It's just that their methods differ. 0.89

00:46:46.000 The white supremacist terrorists and the white supremacist policymakers are bound at the hip. 0.66

00:46:50.000 So in other words, I disagree with Charles Blow about immigration. 0.96

00:46:53.000 Therefore, I am responsible for a shooting in El Paso.

00:46:56.000 To that, I have two words and one of them is unprincipled. 0.61

00:47:00.000 I've taken more abuse from the white nationalists and white supremacists than Charles Blow has.

00:47:04.000 I promise you that. 0.90

00:47:05.000 I've spent more on security.

00:47:06.000 I've gotten more death threats. 0.98

00:47:09.000 I will fight those people to my dying breath. 1.00

00:47:11.000 They are evil. 1.00

00:47:12.000 They are the scum of the earth. 0.99

00:47:13.000 And your suggestion, Charles Blow, that if I agree that legal immigration should be expanded and illegal immigration should be curbed on the southern border, and that we should expand services on the southern border for people who are detained, that I'm in the same boat as a piece of dreck who goes and shoots innocent people? 1.00

00:47:31.000 F you. 0.98

00:47:33.000 And F the horse you rode in on. 0.85

00:47:34.000 I mean, this is just...

00:47:36.000 You want to keep this boiling point high?

00:47:39.000 Keep doing this kind of stuff, guys.

00:47:41.000 Really, well done.

00:47:42.000 Well done.

00:47:42.000 We could all be on the same page.

00:47:44.000 We could all be the brothers and sisters we're supposed to be, where something tragic and evil happens in the country, and we all come out, and we all say how evil it is, and then we figure out ways to solve it, and we figure out ways to fight it, or you could politic off the back of it.

00:47:55.000 You could start fundraising like Kamala Harris did over the weekend.

00:47:57.000 You could go out on national TV and suggest that the president is responsible for inciting violence when he's never called for this sort of violence.

00:48:03.000 You could suggest that everyone who votes for the president Or gives money to the Republican National Committee is responsible for this, or that the NRA is responsible for this.

00:48:10.000 Or he could be a responsible American and join the rest of us and actually try and figure out what the hell to do about all of this.

00:48:16.000 But I don't think that's what a lot of folks want to do today.

00:48:18.000 I think what a lot of folks want to do today is help rip down the social fabric that is necessary to prevent all of this.

00:48:25.000 You want to know why more and more shootings are happening?

00:48:26.000 Because we are more isolated, because we don't trust each other, because the social fabric is fraying.

00:48:31.000 And instead of rebuilding those institutions, you're setting the institutions on fire.

00:48:35.000 And then you're suggesting you've done a world of good by burning down the entire city.

00:48:41.000 You burn down the palace, and then you're surprised when we stand weeping in the ashes.

00:48:45.000 Well done, everyone.

00:48:46.000 What a great weekend.

00:48:47.000 Well done, everyone.

00:48:50.000 And second, we're gonna talk about some of the solutions that have been proposed, and again, how this really isn't about solutions for a lot of folks.

00:48:57.000 For a lot of folks, this is about demagoguery and scoring political points.

00:49:00.000 And then we'll talk about some actual solutions, because believe it or not, there are some actual things that we could do today.

00:49:07.000 I mean, the response to this stuff is just egregious.

00:49:11.000 It breaks my heart that we can't all be on the same page on this.

00:49:16.000 Why aren't we all on the same page on this?

00:49:18.000 Why in the name of God can't we be on the same page in the easiest thing ever, fighting white supremacist terrorism?

00:49:23.000 It's the easiest God bleep thing in the entire world.

00:49:26.000 Man, I really have to try hard not to curse today.

00:49:30.000 It's the easiest thing in the entire world and somehow we're managing to botch it.

00:49:34.000 Somehow we're managing to botch it.

00:49:37.000 How?

00:49:38.000 How?

00:49:38.000 Okay, so some of the solutions that have been proposed.

00:49:41.000 Okay, so let's talk about what actual solutions would look like and then we'll see how the botchery is taking place.

00:49:45.000 Okay, so there is a piece in the LA Times talking about mass shootings and what they've learned about shooters by Jillian Peterson and James Densley.

00:49:53.000 It says, in the last week, more than 30 people have died in three separate mass shootings in Gilroy, El Paso, and Dayton, Ohio.

00:49:59.000 And people didn't pay attention to the Gilroy shooting because again, the media like to pay attention to narratives that underscore their political themes.

00:50:06.000 They don't pay attention to mass shootings that don't underscore those political themes per se.

00:50:11.000 And so these writers say, for two years we've been studying the life histories of mass shooters in the U.S.

00:50:16.000 for a project funded by the National Institute of Justice, the research arm of the U.S.

00:50:20.000 DOJ.

00:50:20.000 We've built a database dating back to 1966 of every mass shooter who shot and killed four or more people in a public place and every shooting incident at schools, workplaces and places of worship since 1999.

00:50:31.000 Our goal has been to find new data-driven pathways for preventing such shootings.

00:50:36.000 Our data reveal four commonalities among the perpetrators of nearly all the mass shootings we studied first.

00:50:41.000 The vast majority of mass shooters in our study experienced early childhood trauma and exposure to violence at a young age.

00:50:48.000 The nature of their exposure included parental suicide, physical or sexual abuse, neglect, domestic violence, and or severe bullying.

00:50:55.000 The trauma was often a precursor to mental health concerns including depression, anxiety, thought disorders, or suicidality.

00:51:01.000 Okay, so thing number one we can do, we can make sure that kids are better taken care of.

00:51:05.000 Maybe one of those things involves re-involving ourselves in the fostering of communities and making sure that stable two-parent households stick together and making sure that people are better parents and creating social consequences for folks who are not.

00:51:19.000 Okay, second, practically every mass shooters we studied had reached an identifiable crisis point in the weeks or months leading up to the shooting.

00:51:26.000 They'd often become angry and despondent because of a specific grievance.

00:51:29.000 For workplace shooters, a change in job status was frequently the trigger.

00:51:33.000 For shooters in other contexts, relationship rejection or loss often played a role.

00:51:38.000 Such crises were, in many cases, communicated to others through a marked change in behavior, an expression of suicidal thoughts or plans, or specific threats of violence.

00:51:45.000 Okay, so one of the things that we should be pursuing in response to this particular concern was what David French has pointed out for years now, gun violence restraining orders.

00:51:53.000 Which would allow people who are close to potential shooters to call up the authorities and then have them prevented, these people who don't have a criminal background, from being able to buy guns for a prescribed period of time and for a judge to continue that for as long as the person is unhealthy.

00:52:10.000 And these are called gun violence restraining orders.

00:52:12.000 They are backed by people across the political spectrum.

00:52:14.000 They should be fairly easy to do.

00:52:17.000 David French wrote about this back in 2017.

00:52:19.000 He said a well-crafted GVRO law should contain the following elements.

00:52:23.000 It should limit those who have standing to seek the order to close relatives, those living with the respondent, and perhaps also school principals or employers.

00:52:29.000 So you see somebody starting to break down, you can call the cops, and then you can get the person in front of a judge for an assessment as to whether they should be able to own or buy weapons.

00:52:36.000 Two, it should require petitioners to come forward with clear and convincing evidence that the respondent is a significant danger to himself or others.

00:52:43.000 Three, it should grant the respondent an opportunity to contest the claims.

00:52:47.000 Four, in the event of an emergency, ex parte order, a full hearing should be scheduled quickly, ideally within 72 hours.

00:52:53.000 And five, the order should lapse after a defined period of time, unless petitioners can produce clear and convincing evidence of the continued need.

00:52:59.000 Right, that would be a fairly good, tailored solution.

00:53:03.000 To the problem of tipping points for potential shooters.

00:53:06.000 Third, according to the LA Times, most of the shooters had studied the actions of other shooters and sought validation for their motives.

00:53:12.000 People in crisis have always existed, but in the age of 24-hour rolling news and social media, there are scripts to follow that promise notoriety and death.

00:53:20.000 Societal fear and fascination with mass shootings partly drives the motivation to commit them.

00:53:25.000 Hence, as we have seen in the last week, mass shootings tend to come in clusters.

00:53:29.000 Okay, so there have been a couple of measures that could be taken to deal with this.

00:53:33.000 One is a voluntary measure undertaken by the media not to name the shooters.

00:53:37.000 How difficult is this, guys?

00:53:38.000 that their will to murder is justified.

00:53:40.000 Okay, so there have been a couple of measures that could be taken to deal with this.

00:53:43.000 One is a voluntary measure undertaken by the media not to name the shooters.

00:53:47.000 How difficult is this, guys?

00:53:48.000 We've been doing it at Daily Wire for at least a couple of years.

00:53:50.000 As soon as we recognize the danger, we stopped printing the names of shooters.

00:53:55.000 I won't mention them on my show.

00:53:57.000 Don't make them famous.

00:53:57.000 You shouldn't either.

00:53:58.000 Don't make them famous.

00:53:59.000 Don't print their full manifestos.

00:54:01.000 You can discuss what the generalized views are, but printing their manifestos makes them famous, as we saw from the Christchurch shooting.

00:54:08.000 Taking that seriously would be one measure.

00:54:10.000 Measure number two.

00:54:12.000 There's been a lot of controversy today over what should be done with 8chan.

00:54:15.000 8chan is this board that has now been populated by the reprobates of the internet, by a lot of white supremacists and people who are coordinating and cheering on violence and all of this.

00:54:26.000 Now, one of the problems with shutting down access to 8chan is that it actually is right now a centralized area that law enforcement can actually follow, right?

00:54:33.000 I mean, once you get rid of it, it goes underground again, and then it's harder for law enforcement to follow.

00:54:37.000 So while it may be worthwhile for companies to want to disassociate and not work with 8chan, I get it, right?

00:54:43.000 I mean, that's Cloudflare.

00:54:44.000 That's what they did today.

00:54:45.000 And I fully sympathize with the corporate decision-making behind Cloudflare.

00:54:49.000 At the same time, I'm not sure that's actually a good law enforcement strategy, and you'd want to talk with people from the FBI or DOJ to determine whether that is productive or counterproductive.

00:54:57.000 That's a practicality question, not necessarily a moral question.

00:55:02.000 Fourth, according to the LA Times, the shooters all had the means to carry out their plans.

00:55:06.000 Once someone decides life is no longer worth living and that murdering others would be a proper revenge, only means and opportunities stand in the way of another mass shooting.

00:55:13.000 Is an appropriate shooting site accessible?

00:55:15.000 Can the would-be shooter obtain firearms?

00:55:16.000 In 80% of school shootings, perps got their weapons from a family member according to our data.

00:55:21.000 Workplace shooters tended to use handguns they legally owned.

00:55:23.000 Other public shooters were more likely to acquire them illegally.

00:55:26.000 In other words, Maybe there's gun measures we can take, and maybe there's not.

00:55:30.000 And this is where we get into the gun control talk.

00:55:32.000 Okay, so there have been... This is where you get into the danger of people demagoguing the issue, specifically because when it comes to gun control, you need to narrowly tailor these laws because a hundred million people in the United States, minimum, maybe 150 million people in the United States, actually own weapons.

00:55:49.000 There are 300 to 400 million weapons in circulation in the United States.

00:55:53.000 Any suggestion that you're going to criminalize gun ownership and you're going to come confiscate hundreds of millions of guns across the country is likely to end in a lot more violence and bloodshed, particularly because we do have a Second Amendment that is well-based.

00:56:04.000 And all of the talk about how gun violence is endemic to gun ownership is simply not true when you look to Vermont or New Hampshire, which have extraordinarily high levels of gun ownership, but extraordinarily low levels of gun violence.

00:56:16.000 In any case, You have politicians demagoguing this by shouting to this guy, do something.

00:56:20.000 This has been the typical way in which we deal with this stuff.

00:56:23.000 So you end up with, for example, Kamala Harris coming out and saying, I'm gonna do something about guns.

00:56:28.000 What is the something?

00:56:29.000 What is the something?

00:56:30.000 She doesn't make that clear, but it's something, guys.

00:56:32.000 That's demagoguery, okay?

00:56:33.000 When you can't name the solution, or when your solution is obviously not tailored to the problem, it's just throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks, and you're doing it while sending out fundraising letters, as apparently Kamala Harris did over the weekend, that's demagoguery.

00:56:48.000 What is your message to President Trump and Republicans in Congress?

00:56:51.000 Have the courage to act.

00:56:53.000 Do something.

00:56:54.000 Do something.

00:56:55.000 Because when I'm elected president, I'm going to do something.

00:56:59.000 Okay, so your message is that you're unilaterally going to do something?

00:56:59.000 That's my message.

00:57:02.000 What is the something that you're going to do?

00:57:04.000 There's an editor at the Global Opinions at the Washington Post, Karen Attia, who tweeted out something similar.

00:57:09.000 And she tweeted out, let me get the exact tweet, "Because a lot of us reject this vision of America that tolerates regular mass shootings as if they are unpreventable natural disasters, doing something more constructive is dismantling America's gun control now." That is the head of global opinions at the Washington Post.

00:57:26.000 Quick point of fact, universal background checks, so-called universal background checks, which should involve making, if I give a gun to my wife, then I'd have to go through a background check I'd have to go to a federally licensed firearm dealer, for example.

00:57:40.000 That would not have stopped any of this.

00:57:42.000 These guys would have passed background checks in both Ohio and in El Paso.

00:57:46.000 The attempt to ban quote-unquote assault weapons has always been extraordinarily vague.

00:57:50.000 The New York Post has a very bad editorial today talking about how Trump should take action on assault weapons.

00:57:55.000 It makes no sense whatsoever.

00:57:58.000 The New York Post suggests the Second Amendment leaves ample room for regulating gun rights, just as every other constitutional right has its limits.

00:58:07.000 They blame the NRA for all of this?

00:58:09.000 Okay, let's be real about this.

00:58:11.000 The NRA is popular because people support gun rights.

00:58:13.000 Gun rights are not popular because the NRA is powerful.

00:58:16.000 Anybody who suggests differently doesn't understand the dynamics of American politics, or purposefully are not doing so because they are making a cynical attempt to lump in support for the Second Amendment with corruption.

00:58:26.000 But the New York Post says, we need to begin with a return to an assault weapons ban.

00:58:30.000 We know that label doesn't actually describe a clear class of guns.

00:58:33.000 Some of the studies show the last ban, in effect from 94 to 2004, had a limited impact, but that simply means the next ban should be better written, with a clear definition, focused on factors like firepower, rate of fire, muzzle velocity, etc., not on cosmetic features.

00:58:47.000 Okay, and then people will use handguns, which by the way are responsible for vastly more gun deaths, and are used in vastly more gun deaths, than rifles are.

00:58:54.000 And then the New York Post editorial foolishly says, That doesn't cover the semi-automatic weapons regularly used only in mass shootings.

00:59:05.000 That's nonsense. 0.90

00:59:06.000 That's simply nonsense.

00:59:07.000 Those are guns in common use.

00:59:08.000 The AR-15 is the most commonly owned rifle in the United States.

00:59:12.000 A semi-automatic rifle is just a rifle that fires one bullet every time you pull the trigger.

00:59:16.000 There are a hundred million of those in circulation in the United States.

00:59:19.000 There is no magic gun that is only used by mass shooters.

00:59:22.000 We've seen handguns used.

00:59:24.000 We've seen rifles used.

00:59:25.000 I mean, hell, in different countries, we've seen knives used.

00:59:28.000 So this is not to suggest that there aren't gun regulations that would be appropriate.

00:59:34.000 I just suggested one, the gun violence restraining orders.

00:59:37.000 But we're not gonna settle on those.

00:59:38.000 Instead, we're gonna have a dumb political fight over something that's not going to get done because it's not actually gonna prevent the problem.

00:59:44.000 Charles Cook has a good piece on this over at National Review. 0.51

00:59:49.000 He says, the editors finished their plea by running through a bunch of falsehoods, begged questions, and non sequiturs.

00:59:53.000 They insist an assault weapons ban would represent a moderate, unifying step.

00:59:57.000 It wouldn't.

00:59:57.000 Such a move is supported by only two in five Americans, and has proven impossible to enforce, even in pro-regulation states.

01:00:03.000 They suggest that the founding fathers gave us the right to bear arms in a time of muskets, and did not foresee the evolution of weaponry.

01:00:08.000 This is false.

01:00:09.000 The founders did not invent the right, and they were fully aware of innovations in technology.

01:00:13.000 And throughout, they assume that the debate is between those who just want the killings to stop, and those who don't care.

01:00:18.000 Unsurprisingly, not true.

01:00:20.000 Toward the end of the missive, the editors cite New York City as the model.

01:00:23.000 Which, it has to be said, rather gives the game away.

01:00:25.000 One of the big reasons crime has fallen so far in New York City, they write, is a crackdown on guns.

01:00:29.000 That proposition is debatable, but irrespective of its veracity, for the Post to mention New York City as a model, in the same piece as it decries extremists who see every marginal change as nothing but a step on the road to a universal ban, is ridiculous.

01:00:41.000 New York City has the strictest gun laws in the country.

01:00:45.000 So again, there are honest policy disagreements that can be had about all of this.

01:00:49.000 But that does not mean that we don't care about mass shootings.

01:00:53.000 And that continued suggestion, which is a holdover from going all the way back to Sandy Hook.

01:00:58.000 That is a it's a vile suggestion.

01:01:01.000 OK, so what are some of the other things that have been proposed?

01:01:02.000 So on the right, there's been this this upsurge in people talking about violent video games.

01:01:06.000 Trump himself talked about violent video games in his speech this morning.

01:01:11.000 Suggested that we need to crack down on violent video games.

01:01:14.000 This was also promoted by Dan Patrick, who is the lieutenant governor of Texas.

01:01:18.000 He suggested this on Fox News.

01:01:20.000 You know, in this manifesto that we believe is from the shooter, this manifesto, he talks about living out his super soldier fantasy on Call of Duty.

01:01:30.000 We know that the video game industry is bigger than the movie industry and the music industry combined.

01:01:35.000 And there have been studies that say it impacts people and studies that says it does not.

01:01:39.000 But I look at the common denominators as a 60-some-year-old father and grandfather myself.

01:01:44.000 What's changed in this country?

01:01:45.000 We've always had guns.

01:01:46.000 We've always had evil.

01:01:47.000 But what's changed where we see this rash of shooting?

01:01:50.000 And I see a video game industry that teaches young people to kill.

01:01:56.000 Okay, so again, the evidence for this is extraordinarily scanty, that the video game industry is closely tied into this.

01:02:03.000 Kevin McCarthy was getting half rightly, half wrongly grilled over this yesterday.

01:02:07.000 He was on Fox News specifically asked about video games.

01:02:09.000 Here was his response.

01:02:10.000 The idea of these video games to dehumanize individuals to have a game of shooting individuals and others.

01:02:16.000 I've always felt that is a problem for future generations and others.

01:02:22.000 We've watched from studies shown before of what it does to individuals.

01:02:27.000 When you look at these photos of how it took place, you can see the actions within video games and others.

01:02:33.000 But what I'd like to do is make sure...

01:02:35.000 The studies tend to show precisely the reverse, that these violent video games really don't do anything to link to all of this.

01:02:41.000 These chat boards where you have actual human beings encouraging people to go out there and quote-unquote score points as they did with the Christchurch shooter, that's a far bigger problem than people playing video games in their basement.

01:02:51.000 There are hundreds of millions of people who play video games.

01:02:53.000 Very few of them are participating in this sort of violence.

01:02:57.000 Now, to end today, there are no things I like and no things I hate, because there's just a lot of stuff to hate and mourn today.

01:03:03.000 I just want to point out, if we can't all be on the same side on this stuff, then we're done as a country.

01:03:08.000 If we can't all be on the same side when we say that white supremacism is evil, when we say that it is an act of terror to participate in an act of terror, that violence is condemned by everybody, when we can't assume the good faith of our neighbors, when we can't assume that we're all mourning today, Then the country is done.

01:03:27.000 The country is toast.

01:03:29.000 I mean, we all have to... If we're not going to mourn together over incidents like this, then we really can't live in a country together.

01:03:34.000 Because mourning is when you come together.

01:03:35.000 You know, in Judaism, we have something called sitting shiva.

01:03:37.000 When somebody dies, we sit shiva.

01:03:39.000 And sitting shiva means seven. 0.98

01:03:41.000 You sit for seven days, and you don't go out of your house.

01:03:44.000 You literally do not go out of your house.

01:03:45.000 And people bring you meals, and they come and they pray with you, and they come and they sit with you.

01:03:50.000 And I'm only saying that those who have bad intentions have bad intentions if they are going to politically manipulate on the basis of this.

01:03:55.000 to tear the other side a new one by implying that they have bad intentions.

01:03:59.000 And I'm only saying that those who have bad intentions have bad intentions if they are going to politically manipulate on the basis of this.

01:04:07.000 I think everybody of good heart is in mourning today and should be in mourning because why shouldn't we mourn?

01:04:13.000 Why shouldn't we mourn?

01:04:13.000 And why shouldn't we be motivated to fight the evil of the sick mother?

01:04:18.000 Why shouldn't we should be?

01:04:20.000 We should be.

01:04:21.000 I'm reading a story today that just it breaks your heart.

01:04:23.000 It's the worst story I've read in the recent past.

01:04:26.000 It's just horrifying.

01:04:27.000 It's from El Paso, CNN, Amanda Jackson, Emanuela Greenberg writing.

01:04:32.000 El Paso couples shopping for school supplies dies trying to shield their baby from gunfire.

01:04:37.000 Jordan and Andre Anchondo brought their infant son to Walmart on Saturday as they shopped for school supplies.

01:04:43.000 But only the little boy would survive the visit, their relatives told CNN.

01:04:47.000 The Anchondos were killed after a gunman opened fire in an El Paso shopping center on Saturday, Elizabeth Terry and Jesse Jamrowski said.

01:04:55.000 The couple, who had just celebrated their one-year wedding anniversary, went to the store after dropping their five-year-old daughter at cheer practice, Terry said.

01:05:02.000 As the gunfire erupted, Jordan shielded her two-month-old son Andre meanwhile jumped in front of his wife.

01:05:09.000 The baby still had her blood on him.

01:05:10.000 You watch these things, you see these things, you never think this is going to happen to your family, Terry said.

01:05:15.000 How do parents go school shopping and then die shielding their baby from bullets?

01:05:19.000 The Anchondos were among those killed Saturday in what authorities are investigating as an act of domestic terrorism.

01:05:25.000 The third mass shooting in the U.S.

01:05:26.000 in less than a week.

01:05:29.000 Jordan Anchando died alone at the hospital because no one was immediately able to find her, said her aunt.

01:05:34.000 It took a while to confirm and identify her throughout all the chaos.

01:05:37.000 Later Saturday, after holding out, hoped for hours that Andre Anchando might still be alive, Terry told CNN he was confirmed dead.

01:05:43.000 In addition to their two-month-old son, the couple had two more children, age five and two. 0.99

01:05:48.000 God, this piece of garbage. 1.00

01:05:54.000 And damn all the people who refuse to allow us to mourn together, to grieve together, and to fight together today. 1.00

01:06:02.000 Okay. 0.99

01:06:04.000 That's what we need to do as a country, and if we can't do that as a country, then we shouldn't be a country at all.

01:06:08.000 Alrighty, I'll be back here a little bit later today with a couple more hours of content, or I'll see you here tomorrow.

01:06:14.000 Hang in there, we will get through this together.

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01:06:50.000 Hey everyone, it's Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show.

01:06:53.000 Once again, our country takes a hit from Satan's glove puppets, two people who are no longer fully human because the devil got into them through their broken places and devoured the men God made them to be.

01:07:04.000 One thing we know, whether it's on the right or the left, our national dialogue does not seem to be helping.

01:07:09.000 How can we change it?

01:07:10.000 Let's talk about it.

The Ben Shapiro Show - August 05, 2019

American Horror Story | Ep. 832

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